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Sunday, September 7th, 2008, 00:02 AST
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[00:30:31] iamlindoro: "So I bought a new MS MCE-style remote which acts as a USB device and therefore doesn't use LIRC. Since then I've had no problems."
[00:30:41] iamlindoro: Ah, users list, always full of useful, accurate information.
[00:31:06] justinh: it's what wikipedia could be, if it were a mailing list :D
[00:31:25] iamlindoro: LOL
[00:31:27] justinh: must be a bugger though, having a remote with a USB cable
[00:31:45] iamlindoro: So convenient that LCE remotes don't use LIRC, too
[00:31:50] iamlindoro: oh, whoops, they do *eyeroll*
[00:31:53] iamlindoro: er MCE
[00:32:25] justinh: yeah. the fact police can't check everything before it goes out there
[00:32:43] iamlindoro: I'd demand moderation but I wouldn't wish that on anyone
[00:32:50] justinh: hahahaha
[00:33:18] justinh: my attitude towards the mailing lists (and forums for that matter) is all about moderation
[00:33:29] justinh: as in.. best used in moderation
[00:33:39] iamlindoro: best read in even greater moderation
[00:33:50] Dagmar: Don't worry, there's an aggressive army of pedants with the Recent Changes page as the start page on their browser.
[00:34:18] iamlindoro: I just keep the pages I've authored in the watch list and prevent people from fecking with them too much
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[00:39:36] ** LanUser wishes he could get lirc_serial working on the 2.6.26.x kernel **
[00:40:43] justinh: yay. heartburn has left the building, so I shall head back to bed
[00:40:46] jblack: I just watched the Gates/Seinfeld commercial on youtube, and... seriously, wtf
[00:40:59] justinh: jblack: hahah yeah I thought that too
[00:41:10] jblack: I can't decide if they're selling shoes or churros.
[00:41:15] justinh: will mythtv run on a marshmallow PC?
[00:41:24] LanUser: jblack: yeah, that doesn't help MS, the shoe industry, maybe, but MS? not so much...
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[00:42:02] jblack: So, they can make Xboxes... almost at least. Their marketing seems to be about as good as their operating systems?
[00:42:55] LanUser: Have you seen the "blind taste test" commercials for Vista? With the "reveal" in the end?
[00:43:04] justinh: me, I like the Mitchell & Webb Mac adverts.
[00:43:18] jblack: The "I'm a pc" ones?
[00:43:23] justinh: yup
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[00:43:58] jblack: I think Macs are evil. Those commercials still entertain me too, though.
[00:44:02] Dagmar: "If we take some completely unsavvy people, and stick them in a room with a machine running Vista, and let them look at it for ten minutes, they can't get mad enough to tell us to fuck off and some of them even think it's pretty!"
[00:44:34] jblack: What happened? Back in the 90s, they were a juggernaut. They were gonna take over the world.
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[00:44:41] jblack: Now, they can't seem to pick out shoes without help?
[00:45:24] justinh: if anything about Apple is evil, it'd be Steve Jobs IMHO
[00:45:35] iamlindoro: I liked that the picture on his shoe card was his booking photo from when he was arrested
[00:45:51] iamlindoro: otherwise, agree with the WTF
[00:45:55] jblack: Steve Jobs isn't good or evil. He's an incarnate form of nature.
[00:45:58] justinh: for pity's sake – any company gets a bit of success under its belt & suddenly they're _evil_
[00:46:11] iamlindoro: http://www.msboycott.com/special/99_12_20/mugshots.jpg
[00:46:24] jblack: Google's not evil! Nor is .... ummm...
[00:46:51] jblack: well, I suppose you're right, that a lot of large companies get all darth vadery.
[00:47:01] justinh: all computer hardware manufacturers are evil, they employ what is basically slave labour to make components. Oh wait, that's just economics
[00:47:33] jblack: I'm american, so I'm required by law to care about what happens to children in Korea.
[00:47:38] jblack: Pardon, to not care.
[00:48:09] justinh: truth be told, if everything was made in the country where you buy it, you probably wouldn't be able to afford it ;)
[00:48:20] LanUser: It's funny that on Seinfeld, Jerry always only had a Mac in his apartment
[00:48:23] iamlindoro: That show's a good american knowledge of global economics/geography as little of our equipment is made in Korea ;)
[00:48:32] jblack: Heh. I can't afford it now!
[00:48:40] iamlindoro: s/show's/shows/
[00:48:52] justinh: shoes?
[00:49:08] jblack: we've tapped out india and south korea. It's time to exploit a new desperate economy.
[00:49:25] justinh: martians. that's why they're looking for life on Mars
[00:49:55] jblack: Surely zimbabwe would be cheaper.
[00:50:23] jblack: Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone, by going into Nigeria.
[00:50:29] justinh: maybe, but there might also be valuable resources on Mars, as opposed to Zimbabwe where there aren't any
[00:50:52] jblack: Sure, we'd be poisoning their kids with lead by offloading old computers, but no more "You have inherited 13.4 million dollars"
[00:51:15] iamlindoro: Make no mistake, if we go into Nigeria it would be for one reason alone
[00:51:21] iamlindoro: it is chock fucking full of oil
[00:51:23] justinh: lead is the least of the worries the back-yard recyclers in the 3rd world have to content with
[00:51:44] justinh: /s/content/contend
[00:51:45] ** jblack wonders how "Thank you for calling dell" would sound with a nigerian accent. **
[00:52:06] justinh: I might think twice before hnding over my credit card details
[00:52:25] iamlindoro: This is Prince Kwambe F. Stevenson II speaking, may I have your account number?
[00:52:32] jblack: rotfl
[00:52:53] justinh: you should check out fonejacker on youtube for a comedic take on that
[00:53:49] justinh: phones random people in one of several characters. my favourite is the call centre dude trying to flog 'better broadbandings'
[00:54:11] justinh: it's all very old now but still makes me chuckle
[00:54:49] wagnerrp: ive got some damned mutant flies in my house
[00:55:15] wagnerrp: theyre like twice the size of normal flies, and smashing them (against carpet) does not kill them
[00:55:44] iamlindoro: It only makes them stronger
[00:55:57] wagnerrp: apparently
[00:56:01] jblack: Got any liquid air?
[00:56:01] justinh: oh yeh lest I forget the character who rings people up enquiring about techy stuff but pronounces acronyms strangely
[00:56:17] wagnerrp: jblack: turn it upside down and frost them?
[00:56:27] jblack: Yah.
[00:56:40] jblack: freeze 'em solid, store 'em in the freezer for winter, then see if they thaw.
[00:56:56] wagnerrp: im pretty sure i flushed them all already
[00:57:06] wagnerrp: ive got a can on the shelf, but its about empty
[00:57:24] wagnerrp: ive been meaning to pick up some more, but nowhere close by carries it
[00:57:37] jblack: walmart always has more. Science will thank you for the experiment
[00:58:18] wagnerrp: no walmart around here actually
[00:58:25] wagnerrp: closest is like 15 miles away
[00:58:47] wagnerrp: my area has been pretty good at sticking to stores of lesser evil
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[01:16:10] LanUser: Walmart closed the only store in our town and now opened 2 mega-walmart stores just outside of our city limits to avoid city taxes, our town is only 45K, they are indeed evil
[01:17:13] purserj: so don't shop at walmart?
[01:17:36] LanUser: Not to mention that the original in-town Walmart had actually "paved over paradise and put up a parking lot", it was formerly a nice forest in the city
[01:17:44] ** LanUser doesn't shop at Walmart **
[01:17:44] Huijari: a 45k town had only one store? :O
[01:18:06] Huijari: ahh, "only one" walmart
[01:20:46] Maliuta: there are no walmarts here
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[01:22:43] jaek_: i have mythtv installed on a machine that doesnt have a tuner card, how can i disable the tv menu items so i can just use it to play videos on the machine?
[01:23:57] LanUser: jaek_: edit the .xml files, starting with mainmenu.xml
[01:24:19] jaek_: oh, ok
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[01:26:41] wagnerrp: jack_: do you ever intend to get a tuner card?
[01:27:04] jaek_: no
[01:27:18] jaek_: just to play videos on the tv
[01:27:40] wagnerrp: then you probably want to look around for a different solution
[01:27:57] jaek_: hmm, what else is out there?
[01:28:07] jaek_: something that i can use the remote with
[01:28:20] wagnerrp: mythtv is centered around recording TV, and everything is just tacked on top of that
[01:28:53] jaek_: i'm thinking of using freevo, but it seems to have lots of tv stuff in it too
[01:30:30] wagnerrp: ive heard XBMC works well
[01:31:32] Sulx: or boxee alpha
[01:32:08] wagnerrp: ive heard mixed feelings of Elisa
[01:32:42] jaek_: hmm
[01:33:18] wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Center#Stand-alone_software
[01:42:50] ** LanUser is blown over by the look of Elisa after watching the demo video **
[01:47:17] jaek_: dayum
[01:47:20] jaek_: i guess i should try it
[01:51:21] ** cesman doesn't consider any software that doesn't have a PVR functionality as a media center **
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[01:57:40] klos: hi, im planning on building a media center using mythbuntu and two apple tvs as a frontend and also a thin client as a terminal server client running on the htpc box
[01:58:05] klos: would this work ? :)
[02:00:39] Sulx: sure
[02:03:27] klos: so there would be no intereference between running mythtv and the thinclient
[02:03:55] klos: i wanna use good hardware tho, but im not too sure about mythtv resource handling
[02:06:29] klos: anyone into an appletv as mythtv frontend btw ?
[02:06:45] klos: i wonder if its possible to run it along with the applesoftware in version2
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[02:23:02] klos: can you use ci modules in the mythtv backend that allow watching paytv on every frontend ?
[02:28:39] daMaestro: yes. finally got commercial removal working :-D
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[02:34:43] LanUser: Is there a way to apply a video card BIOS update without Windows? I have a Gigabyte 8800GT and it looks like they only offer Windows binaries
[02:35:00] LanUser: Maybe only with a BartPE boot disk?
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[02:40:26] GlemSom: I was just watching a video of LinuxMCE... Looks like he plugs in a USB IR adapter... But – from what I understand lirc is not compatible with USB adapters... ? (Or am I missing something here)
[02:42:29] LanUser: Where's the video? I'd like to watch it
[02:44:05] GlemSom: LanUser, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829
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[02:59:41] LanUser: wow
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[03:00:47] LanUser: Can we put the MythTV and LinuxMCE dev folks in a glass, add some yeast, warm water, sugar and mix well?
[03:05:27] wagnerrp: GlemSom: youre missing something. LIRC is not compatible with SIR/FIR/IRDA adapters (its not a compatible technology), but there are some USB adapters that work just fine.
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[03:10:13] adante: LanUser: throw the xbmc devs in the mix too
[03:16:52] GlemSom: wagnerrp, Ok, thanks :) I was close to buying a USB->Serial adapter... But guess that will not work at all then... :)
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[03:59:49] forrestv: would it be a good idea to open a tv and use the ir receiver in there? could the ir reciever somehow be faked so a blaster is not needed?
[04:00:34] forrestv: *receiver
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[04:01:58] cesman: forrestv: if you know how to open a TV and take the receiver out, you could probably make one...
[04:02:09] cesman: schematics are on various sites...
[04:02:16] cesman: check the LIRC website (or google)
[04:03:02] forrestv: cesman, yes, but i want to keep the tv's receiver in it, so i can use it with lirc. and then a blaster could be connected directly to the normal output of the receiver.
[04:03:34] forrestv: it would be better than having a blaster+receiver stuck on the front
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[04:07:21] cesman: I've no idea what it is you are trying to do...
[04:07:40] cesman: I don' t know how you'd go about "faking" a blaster
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[04:07:55] cesman: best of luck and please write it up on the wiki if you succeed!
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[05:04:31] daMaestro: anyone used the WinTV-HVR-2250 with linux?
[05:06:54] daMaestro: hmm http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hvr2250.html#linux "work in progress"
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[05:19:17] daMaestro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-2250 damn.
[05:24:27] adante: uhhhhh so
[05:24:29] adante: i have 2 tuners
[05:24:36] adante: when i set 1 to record
[05:25:00] adante: then try to watch live v it locks me intothe first (currently recording) tuner and when i change channls it sticks on the recording satio
[05:25:12] adante: this is a bit wierd
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[05:35:09] adante: hm
[05:35:51] adante: well having multiple recorders has certainly gotten odd
[05:36:34] andreax: You can switch the input via the menu while livetv with m
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[05:45:42] styelz: adante: odd, i have 2 tuners and myth always selects the free tuner for me
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[05:51:46] styelz: if both cards are recording, it pops up a menu asking which recorded channel i want to watch
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[05:54:35] styelz: im using version 18207
[06:01:24] justinh: heheh. folks are often 'blown away' by Elisa's demo video. So was I. However, I'm less blown away by just how crashy it is
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[06:05:59] adante: heh
[06:06:04] adante: i tried to run elisa the other day
[06:06:10] adante: there seems to be sweet fa documentation out there
[06:06:27] adante: couldn't figure out how to configure it, couldn't even figure out how to go back in the menu
[06:06:39] justinh: but it has this really cool spinny UI thingy! And it's got reflections! And.. And... And... and... !
[06:06:49] justinh: quick! slashdot it! digg it!!
[06:06:56] adante: justinh: the uh spinny UI thingy.. that's the ONLY THING i could get it to do
[06:07:17] adante: spin and spin and spin and enter a menu and... how do i get back to the spin?
[06:07:25] styelz: hehe
[06:07:38] justinh: and those icons... what's so wrong with having _some_ text?
[06:07:45] adante: styelz: thanks for the info, turns out myth is doing something wierd with my tuners (thinks i've got 2 cards or something)
[06:07:55] adante: er 2 recorders per card, that is
[06:08:14] justinh: call me back when it doesn't crash as often, and it can record television
[06:08:34] styelz: check the settings for max recordings on each card in the backend
[06:08:35] tjcarter: that's impressive
[06:08:41] adante: call me back when there is documentation
[06:08:41] justinh: oh wait. they keep rejiggling the UI so much they have no time to do anything else
[06:09:09] adante: has anybody ever experienced tv tuners dieing from excessive heat?
[06:09:14] justinh: myth has its faults, that much I know. but for all that, it just does what it's supposed to
[06:09:17] tjcarter: Of course, it's an AppleTV for something else
[06:09:18] tjcarter: but still
[06:09:32] tjcarter: That's got more UI ripoff than Pearody
[06:09:33] justinh: adante: I think so.. not dying so much as going a bit flaky
[06:09:54] adante: justinh: ah, like it stops tuning?
[06:09:58] justinh: adante: I had all 3 of my dvb-t tuners bunched up together so I spaced em out
[06:10:07] adante: think i've chewed through 4 dvb cards.. one my last one now :/
[06:10:29] adante: justinh: that'd be me heh.. except i didn't space them out
[06:10:44] justinh: nah, one tuner was getting to be a bit dodgy. did the shufle & they've been fine ever since
[06:11:14] justinh: my next tuners will probably be based on silicon hardware rather than olde worlde discrete tuners