Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

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sandeen:

is there a howto or other docs on how to add a new menu to the new terra theme.... like to add a hulu desktop launcher? :)

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oobe:

sandeen, there is plenty of docs but you should find it easy without docs by just opening up /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/mainmenu.xml then copying and pasting one menu entry then modifying it

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achandra:

hello...I almost have my mythtv box setup with hd-pvr...Trying to get the remote working can someone point me in the right direction?

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[Steven_M]:

hi all

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is the web server/xml port always 6544? or is it +1 from the server port?

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[Steven_M]:

would an externel esata drive be too slow to run mythtv off of

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[Steven_M]:

?

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wagnerrp:

no slower than an internal sata drive

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[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: ok, cool :)

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** [Steven_M] is going to try to setup mythtv under gentoo :) **

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[Steven_M]:

has gentoo got a good rep for running mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

sure... except for people mistakenly compiling dependencies without proper support for things, and the whole 0.22 database SNAFU

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[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: SNAFU?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the default database settings in gentoo caused problems with people migrating existing setups to 0.22

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[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: oh ok

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** wagnerrp runs gentoo on several systems **

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[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure if mythtv under gentoo would cope with my stupid ATI graphics card though.

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wagnerrp:

it would just as well as any other distro

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[Steven_M]:

ok, should I recomple X with the sdl flag?

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

sdl won't do you a jot of good – see mythtv doesn't use sdl

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jduggan:

details

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jduggan:

:o

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justinh:

fwiw your luck with ATI cards is largely determined by the presence (or lack of) support in ATI's own binary driver

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justinh:

which depending on the day of the week, may include your card. YMMV

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[Steven_M]:

justinh: I see :)

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justinh:

the most important thing is Xv – X Video acceleration where scaling & a bit of colourspace conversion is done on the graphics hardware. If support for that isn't in the driver, playback is going to *SUCK*

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justinh:

unless you can make opengl video rendering work – for which you need working opengl of course

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justinh:

but AFAIK it never worked on ATI anyway

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justinh:

the open source ATI driver is coming along but don't expect much

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[Steven_M]:

justinh: ok, I'll try to get the ATI driver working tomorrow.

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[Steven_M]:

night all :)

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justinh:

night

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** justinh goes to see what insanity befell the -users list lately **

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justinh:

and the award for the thread which went most off-topic in a short period of time goes to: The Boxee Box

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meshe:

yay, getting pages for a network that's 1000 miles away which for some reason uses a dns server located here...

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Dibblah:

Hmmmm. [mythtv] Streaming Audio In MythMusic

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Dibblah:

Shame it won't make trunk, probably :(

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justinh:

with patch!

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justinh:

:-O

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Dibblah:

Yeah, frontend only. Which in a way is a shame, in a way it's how it should work. I'm not decided :(

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justinh:

looks not badly done at first glance too

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justinh:

I think the question is how it'd fit in with the plan to implement music SGs

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justinh:

and AFAIK the thinking towards stream playlists originally was that the db structure would be able to treat online streams as playlistable items – i.e. they'd be just like any other audio, only instead of a file the db would point to a URI

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justinh:

so no need for new tables. maybe a couple of new columns – one to flag an item is a stream

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justinh:

I can't help but wonder how hard it'd be to make it a upnp player, then just slap a upnp music backend on it

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justinh:

I dunno enough about upnp though, maybe it'd be too limiting

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jst:

Hey, all. I've noticed that mythcommflag works very well for most shows, but it's not as accurate for flagging commercials of news shows with tickers/crawlers running at the bottom of the screen. Is there any way to force mythcommflag to ignore the bottom few pixels of each recording?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

arghhh Horizon recorded but it was the ravey wavey davey geezer doing the arm waving thing

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jst:

justinh: Were you talking to me?

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justinh:

jst: yes. so the answer is an emphatic NO

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jst:

that sucks... maybe i could write a patch :(

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justinh:

we don't get to choose anything about commflagging other than the methods used. and folks know little about those

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jst:

sounds like a religious deity

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justinh:

video analysis is rightly seen as something of a black art

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justinh:

next to the code which does the recording & playing it's probably gonna be about as complex as it gets in mythtv

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justinh:

heh. this twittering of recordings is all well & good. BUT. I'm starting to miss real tweets now & am considering unfollowing my own script.

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meshe:

i understand that scheduling is the other major voodoo code in myth

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justinh:

the BUQ certainly is :)

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justinh:

"fill in this survey and have the chance to win a £500 Primark shopping spree". ROFLMAO

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Dibblah:

... Yeah, but what'll they do once you've emptied the store? Give you vouchers for the rest?

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justinh:

all quiet on the Western front again eh

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jblack:

I have some old home vhs movies that I want to convert to avi before they're lost. Any suggestions as to what tools I should look at?

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justinh:

whatever Windows utils came with your capture card :D

[09:19:16]

jblack:

I don't have windows. :)

[09:19:34]

jblack:

maybe mencoder can come to the rescue

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justinh:

you're being serious?

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jblack:

I'm completely sincere. I have _no_ idea of what encoding is pumped out by dvb adapters

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justinh:

if you have 5 or more I'd probably suggest buying a DVD recorder & using that

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justinh:

less hassle

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jblack:

And then, just rip the dvd post copy.

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justinh:

much easier

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justinh:

and you get a very good quality first copy which would lessen the strain on your tapes

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justinh:

:P

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jblack:

Ok, I can do that, as it happens there are about half a dozen tapes. Mostly of the kid before she turned into satan incarnate

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justinh:

or if you have a digi camcorder with analogue input....

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jblack:

Nope. Old '90s svhs tech.

[09:22:22]

justinh:

I've gone down that route. WAY easier than ficking around with tuner cards

[09:22:36]

jblack:

The tapes are starting to rust. literally.

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justinh:

heh. I want to re-digitise my VHS before too long too

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jblack:

Yeah. and I can teach the ex (it's her mission, not mine), to do the actual dubbing.

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justinh:

I'll be borrowing my dad's DVD recorder

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justinh:

my inlaws' Sony PVR can do it too

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jblack:

Ok. Dentist time.

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jblack:

Thanks for the advice. I'm gonna take it

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justinh:

grabbing via firewire (via camcorder analogue input) is prolly the least lossy way to go for VHS capping though. Every little helps with el-grunge-o-VHS

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justinh:

oh cocking Ubuntu forums requiring you to be signed in to get a script which updates PPA keys

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Dibblah:

It's almost like they don't want you using unapproved ppas or something...

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justinh:

yeah, the gits

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justinh:

they're hosted on launchpad – is that not a stamp of some kind of approval?

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Dibblah:

No.

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justinh:

have to wonder at their motivation then, really

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_abbenormal:

ok guys need some info or somewhere to look to find info on myth sources im running 2 switches and a hdhomerun 9 inputs im only seeing 2 of the sources in the menu am i not looking in the right spot

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_abbenormal:

the homerun hd and one of the switches

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_abbenormal:

only seeing 6 inputs

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_abbenormal:

sorry if my terminology is wrong

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_abbenormal:

this is using the menu button switch sources

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wagnerrp:

seems some israelis claim to have developed antigravity

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mag0o:

well, there goes the nba

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wagnerrp:

produces a force by interacting with vacuum particles, no change in mass required

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wagnerrp:

although i wonder what the energy requirement is

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dserban:

vacuum particles? Oh no is this going to end up being some sort of mass extermination of hoovers?

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markl_:

9.10 fresh install with apt-get, getting this error when playing a dvd: libdvdchapter not found

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markl_:

is there an obvious fix:

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markl_:

and also

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dserban:

sudo aptitude install libdvdchapter? (sorry I don't run mythbuntu)

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markl_:

my hd homerun reception seems to be way worse than my pchdtv cards that it replaced

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markl_:

dserban: no i tried apt-cache search already :)

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dserban:

mmk

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markl_:

are the homeruns known to be worse in this regard? I may have to just get a d4 antenna or something, I have a cheapo radio shack one now

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wagnerrp:

markl_: depends, you ARE trying to push two tuners now with the same signal

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markl_:

wagnerrp: same antenna setup as with my dual pchdtv cards though

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wagnerrp:

i have heard claims that the hdhr gets poorer reception than other cards

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wagnerrp:

but whether that is legitimate, or whether people were complaining about an un-amped dual tuner performing worse than a single tuner, i have no idea

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markl_:

in this case the signal is a good 20% weaker than with my dual pchdtv cards; but I'm going to try a d4 antenna and maybe that will help

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markl_:

my dvd error is: libdvdnav: chapter NOT FOUND!

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wagnerrp:

this is a real dvd? not an ISO?

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wagnerrp:

or VIDEO_TS folder

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markl_:

no it is a rip, no clue what software he used

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markl_:

seems like a bad one

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markl_:

but it works on his windows media center which i'm trying to wean him from

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wagnerrp:

a fresh install of 0.22... using storage groups for mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

ISOs dont work with storage groups currently

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markl_:

it is a fresh install, i just pointed the video directory to /media

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markl_:

some of the rips work, some don't

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sphery:

wagnerrp: It's the "Status Port" setting in mythtv-setup (BackendStatusPort)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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namg989:

Hello all, I was looking to build a VERY reliable DVR system instead of purchasing a TiVo. Anyone have any suggesting as to the best tuner card I should get, and which Myth distro I should be working with?

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wagnerrp:

have you ever used linux before?

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namg989:

Some system admin work at the office but mostly I high end Windows guy.

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wagnerrp:

what distro have you used?

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namg989:

We are a Red HAt/Centos shop

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meshe:

probably mythdora then

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wagnerrp:

centos is generally not considered a good distro for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the fact that they stick with a version for several years means that you miss out on drivers, and have some other dependency issues

[14:01:47]

wagnerrp:

but yeah, mythdora would probably be good

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wagnerrp:

as far as what tuner... .what do you want to tune

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meshe:

as for tuner that depends on what you want to record

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namg989:

Any reason why I shouldn't consider Mythbuntu?

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meshe:

HD, SD, cable, from a set-top box

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namg989:

Connection is to local cable operator offering NTSC and Clear QAM channels

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namg989:

HD

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meshe:

namg989: that depends on how fast you can pick up the differences in the distros, red hat derivitives are different than debian derivitives

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wagnerrp:

namg989: no reason... but mythtv is rather complex, and its generally better if you dont have to learn a new distro in the process

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namg989:

Which distro has better support system?

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wagnerrp:

namg989: looks like youre only going to get local broadcast stations, cspan, public access, and some religious channels over clear QAM

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wagnerrp:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_1260528

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namg989:

Seems like I should go with Mythdora, but which tuner card, HDHomerun???

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_abbenormal:

namg989, when you have it setup on your network got to setup for myth and go thru it will show up then set it up

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_abbenormal:

got = go

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wagnerrp:

for clear QAM or broadcast, an HDHR is a decent choice

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wagnerrp:

i have that and a HVR-1250, im happy with both

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wagnerrp:

the 800i is a decent card, but hard to find anymore, and often overpriced ($70-$80) when you do find one

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namg989:

Who makes the HVR-1250?

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wagnerrp:

HVR-2250 would be a decent choice once the drivers go into the mainline kernel

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wagnerrp:

that may have happened already with 2.6.31

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Brad-D:

hey guys, does anyone know of a console program that allows me to identify all the audio tracks on a dvd (and preferably the language?)

[14:21:56]

wagnerrp:

namg989: just do understand that you will not get all your subscribed channels over digital cable with any of those tuners

[14:22:11]

wagnerrp:

you will only get what is listed in that lineup i linked you to

[14:22:41]

namg989:

yep, got it. I would need me settop box for that. I'm only able to get the clear stuff, right?

[14:23:03]

wagnerrp:

whatever is unencrypted, and that changes from area to area

[14:23:13]

meshe:

a set top box and an HD-PVR will get you everything

[14:23:42]

namg989:

yep, got it,. we are on the same page. Thanks for clarifing!

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wagnerrp:

s/an HD-PVR/any analog capture device/

[14:23:55]

wagnerrp:

HD-PVR is only necessary if you want HD capture

[14:24:13]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, much cheaper PVR-150/500s off ebay are the recommended card

[14:24:29]

meshe:

he said HD earlier which is why I said HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

ah, that he did

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wagnerrp:

well if you want HD, your ONLY option is the HD-PVR

[14:25:32]

wagnerrp:

its the only HD capture solution supported by mythtv

[14:25:57]

namg989:

HD-PVR, which vender makes that?

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wagnerrp:

(technically, digital tuners just capture a pre-encoded stream, they dont care about resolution)

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR specifically captures HD analog video, digital tuners just capture whatever the broadcaster sends it

[14:27:38]

wagnerrp:

just wanted to point out the difference between 'HD', and 'digital'

[14:27:47]

wagnerrp:

even though most people tend to get them mixed up

[14:28:13]

KittyBoots:

Is there anyone here that can give me some direction in getting a gryation remote working?

[14:28:42]

wagnerrp:

manufacturers arent helping anything

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wagnerrp:

claiming their tuners are capable of up to 1080i

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wagnerrp:

when theyre really just capable of any ATSC/QAM stream

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meshe:

namg989: Hauppauge sp?

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wagnerrp:

but you know, thats marketing.... one company claims support, and if you dont claim the same thing, the masses wont buy your product

[14:31:21]

namg989:

thanks

[14:31:33]

wagnerrp:

im still waiting for someone to claim support for 1080p and h264, considering the ATSC spec allows for both

[14:31:36]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: It's a little more tricky in Europe (and everywhere else but the US), where there are DVB some bitrates that aren't high enough to support HD.

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namg989:

meshe: thanks!

[14:32:04]

meshe:

namg989: no problem, Dell quite often has a sale on them

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: yeah, and they have the older 'full featured' cards that had decoders as well

[14:32:34]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: H.264 is only supported in the ATSC-MH spec. It is not supported in ATSC.

[14:32:56]

wagnerrp:

ah, i just remember something about h264 going into the spec last summer

[14:33:02]

devinheitmueller:

(well, more specifically, A/53)

[14:33:23]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, h264 is available in the ATSC-MH spec (for mobile ATSC), which was approved over the summer.

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[R]:

theres enough bandwidth for 1080p for an atsc?

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devinheitmueller:

No.

[14:34:09]

devinheitmueller:

The 19.2Mb stream can only do 1080i.

[14:34:22]

devinheitmueller:

That was described as a known deficiency in the ATSC standard.

[14:34:27]

wagnerrp:

then someone should correct wikipedia

[14:34:40]

wagnerrp:

or is that for 16VSB?

[14:35:00]

devinheitmueller:

hmmm....

[14:35:09]

** devinheitmueller goes over to look at the wikipedia page. **

[14:37:47]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, you can do 1080p in the "high bitrate mode", but it requires 16VSB, which never went anywhere.

[14:38:04]

wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

what about the non-60000/1001 bitrates?

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devinheitmueller:

(according to A/53 Part 4 Sec 6)

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wagnerrp:

erm... framerates

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devinheitmueller:

Depends on the mode. See the table in A/53 Part 4 Sec 6.1.2)

[14:39:54]

devinheitmueller:

You can do 30 Hz as opposed to 29.97Hz, if that is what you are asking.

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wagnerrp:

the article is listing 23.976/24fps modes

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KittyBoots:

I just got a gyration remote. I am trying to get it configured. I found http://perens.com/FreeSoftware/gyration.html it says to configure x, I don't know how to do that. Can anyone help me get started with this?

[14:40:32]

irritatus:

is there a forum for mythtv users

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yes. That is likely for film.

[14:40:49]

wagnerrp:

KittyBoots: its been 12 minutes and 3 new users, be patient

[14:41:07]

wagnerrp:

its very likely no one currently around even has a gyration remote

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KittyBoots:

wagnerrp: ok

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Ah, yeah, it looks like wikipedia has basically the same table as the spec (although I haven't done a bit-for-bit comparson)

[14:42:19]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: im just thinking 1080p24 would be very do-able within the bandwidth restriction

[14:42:37]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I'm not sure. I would have to do the math on that one.

[14:42:38]

wagnerrp:

especially considering how much of my recordings are TD'd 1080p24 content anyway

[14:43:06]

wagnerrp:

which means its all the original data, plus two duplicate fields

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Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: I think the Linux mce project was but around using a gyration remote, maybe you could find some info there?

[14:44:14]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: possibly.

[14:44:49]

devinheitmueller:

Although the spec supports it, I would suspect that many consumer products might choke since it has never been deployed.

[14:45:10]

KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: so I should do a search for linux mce gyration your saying?

[14:45:30]

wagnerrp:

decoders, sure.... but i imagine your average ATSC tuner wouldnt even know the difference

[14:46:04]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Correct, as long as you are within the bitrate requirements, the tuner and demod have no knowledge of the resolutions.

[14:46:23]

Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: there is no harm trying. I remember seeing a video where the guy was using that remote. worth a shot?

[14:46:50]

wagnerrp:

which was my original complaint that any claim of HD support on such devices is completely bogus

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: for ATSC, that is true.

[14:47:12]

wagnerrp:

(aside from the DVB tuners you mentioned, apparently)

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Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: is this it? http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Using_the_ . . . ire_Chief%29

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devinheitmueller:

For ClearQAM though, it's worth mention that we had a number of boards with driver problems, where you actually couldn't reach the 38.78Mpbs bitrate.

[14:50:31]

devinheitmueller:

... which is entirely a driver problem, although it went largely unnoticed until people started using ClearQAM.

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wagnerrp:

meaning clearqam tuning outright broke? or that you couldnt record the entire multiplex at once?

[14:51:42]

devinheitmueller:

Well, what would happen is tuning would succeed but you would have a certain level of packet loss.

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devinheitmueller:

So, for example, the driver would only deliver 30Mbps worth of packets.

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devinheitmueller:

(and you would end up losing 1/4 packets)

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KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: yeah that is it, but I have the canada version

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devinheitmueller:

Don't get me wrong, it was clearly the driver not properly setting up the isoc stream or IRQ setup, but you wouldn't notice when on 19.2Mbps was being delivered.

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wagnerrp:

right

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devinheitmueller:

Fun with reverse engineering drivers!

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KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: apparently for Linuxmce it works out of the box, but I am going between using mythtv and xbmc. I need to figure out how to configure my system to use this device

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antgel:

anyone with a working DVB-S setup care to try something for me in mythtv-setup? when i go to Edit Transports->New Transport, i'm greeted with a blank screen

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antgel:

except for Finish and Cancel buttons

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antgel:

would like to know if this is so for others

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Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: have you read this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gyration-based_MCE_Remotes

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KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: I will

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antgel:

DAMN

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wagnerrp:

antgel: it may very well be something not themed

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antgel:

my database backup didn't work and suddenly after a channel scan, lots of my channels have an underscore at the start of the channum

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antgel:

anyone have a clue why that happened and how to fix it given that my backup SUCKED

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trumee:

i am trying to convert a dvd9 to an mkv format to view in mythtv. Is it good to enable the decomb filter in handbrake. if i dont enable that playing it with mplayer shows lot of horizontal lines.

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trumee:

can myth deinterlace on the fly an mkv file. or do i need handbrake to deinterlace it before hand?

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GreyFoxx:

myth can deinterlace any content during playback, the container doesn't matter

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Brad-D:

hey greyfoxx, did you ever get that Nvidia Ion tester box that you ordered?

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Brad-D:

did you like it?

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, i am playing a dvd9 in myth 0.22. i can lot of horizontal lines. is that an interlacing problem?

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trumee:

*see a lot*

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

i've had that prlblem on older dvds

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[R]:

mplayer doestn even play them good either

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trumee:

yup, with mplayer lot of horizontal lines as well.

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trumee:

should i use handbrake to convert to an mkv format with decomb/deinterlace?

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, double layer dvd usually 8.54 GB in size

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sphery:

trumee: I wouldn't be surprised if the video on the DVD is broken. I've seen that on a lot of improperly-made DVD's--even commercial ones--especially when the source material was recorded with old tech. Since it's quite obvious when you scale the image (but may not have even been visible on NTSC standard-def tube TV), most newer DVD's are done properly.

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trumee:

sphery, how should i resolve this. do i need to de-interlace the video using handbrake?

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Essobi:

jeez... splits everywhere today.

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[R]:

trumee: i found if i use mencoder or similar to rip it... it came out ok... w/o having to specify any weird settings

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[R]:

trumee: it confused me

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sphery:

trumee: if it's broken on the DVD and the DVD was mastered by some other company, there's not a lot you can do

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trumee:

sphery, ok. i am going to give handbrake a shot.

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Essobi:

Soo... I've got a few standard def TV's in my house... what would be a good course of action to feed all of them from my Myth box? Channel injector and the RG58 that's already ran everywhere?

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Chicago:

Anybody think it would be worthwhile to add lightscribe features to mytharchive?

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Essobi:

Chicago: Why not?

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: a channel injector that does HD?

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: I can't imagine that is terribly cheap.

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Essobi:

CyberKnet: I just said all my TV's are not HD.

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: bah. Who reads these days anyway :)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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Essobi:

SD != HD. :)

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Essobi:

I figured that'd be really cheap..

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: I used one for a while until a power surge killed it.

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CyberKnet:

It cost about $100

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CyberKnet:

most RF Modulators don't inject, they replace signal.

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Essobi:

Ah.. Were you pretty happy with it thou?

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Essobi:

CyberKnet: Ah..

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CyberKnet:

for standard definition, I guess. I was using scan line converter to convert VGA to NTSC at the time

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CyberKnet:

so I already had terrible quality

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CyberKnet:

It wasn't a cheap device to inject channels though

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CyberKnet:

Although honestly I forget the name of it

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CyberKnet:

it'd be in the mythlogbot somewhere.

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CyberKnet:

I too thought to just use an RF modulator... was very disappointed to see that all the other channels disappeared when I did that. heh.

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ksc654:

Does anyone know if MythTv can capture video through firewire from a Scientific Atlanta STB?

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CyberKnet:

ksc654: The wiki would have that answer if it is available.

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CyberKnet:

ksc654: I personally don't know though.

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: I think I used a ChannelPlus 3015 or so...

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CyberKnet:

Oh. He split.

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sphery:

Chicago: Not saying it's not worth it, but I'm just curious--do you actually find LightScribe useful? The "labels" don't seem to be readable enough for my tastes and the media is expensive (more so than stick-on DVD labels and /much/ more so than Sharpie Ink).

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CyberKnet:

Sharpie Ink. The classiest of all labeling methods ;)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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sphery:

Hey, they even make colored Sharpies, now.

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CyberKnet:

my my

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CyberKnet:

Now that *is* fancy

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sphery:

of course, I don't archive any recordings (as doing so would be illegal where I live), so I only use CD's and DVD's for the occasional distro ISO.

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CyberKnet:

So you can draw your own spiderman picture on the DVD. heh. Nobody will think it is rated-as-pie then ;)

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sphery:

and--no offense, but--Ubuntu disks just aren't worth the cost of a real label

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CyberKnet:

sphery: heh. I thought you were a gentoo folks for some reason.

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CyberKnet:

Wow. farmer sure is unhappy today.

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sphery:

CyberKnet: no, definitely not Gentoo

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Wicked:

i install my distros from usb now....way way to many useless distros disks floating around my house

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Josh_Borke:

cdrw for me :D

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sphery:

Wicked: I just saw an article on using Grub 2 to create a bootable USB disk that allows you to boot to any CD/DVD ISO image stored on the disk (as a normal data file)

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CyberKnet:

I used to back up to DVDRW every night.

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Wicked:

ah. that sounds pretty cool sphery...i use a program that makes the usb stick from a iso

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sphery:

Yeah, I tried that approach once with a Seagate SeaTools CD ISO and failed miserably

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sphery:

turned out it was a /lot/ faster to just plug in a CD drive

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Wicked:

ah. yea. if its not a very popular distro...it can be a pita to turn a iso into something a usb can boot

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I did the Ubuntu bootable USB a couple times, but it seems that after using it a few times, it filled my filesystem and then got corrupted

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sphery:

the ISO approach uses an unwritable ISO so would be perfect

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sphery:

looking for that article... much harder to find when you're actively looking for it

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CyberKnet:

heh

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Wicked:

hmm. the way i make the usb it offers to create a writeable part on the usb so you can have persistent data....but if you dont set that up its just like a usb and is read only with a squash?? FS

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sphery:

Yeah, I've created the writable part

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sphery:

all I know is it would boot a few times, then it would get trashed and I'd have to recreate it

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Wicked:

i normally install from a 1gig usb drive...and a iso is 700mb's...and im only using it to install.....so i just leave the defaults

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Wicked:

ah. yea. never happened to me.....so far ;o

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CyberKnet:

I always install from a dvd – myth is the only linux machine in my house.

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Wicked:

only windows machines around me are not mine.

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Wicked:

;o

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CyberKnet:

if I am installing – it's going onto the machine that normally runs linux – and usually all the 'install from a thumb drive' things want to create the thumb drive in linux.

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CyberKnet:

Drat. I posted to the wrong channel.

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: A ChannelPlus 3015 should inject that channel for you nicely.

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CyberKnet:

That is what I used to use.

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Essobi:

CyberKnet: nice

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skd5aner:

sphery: you around?

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sphery:

Wicked: I can't find the article that was a bit prettier, but http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB gives the magic config (plus tons of stuff you can ignore) hidden in commands to copy paste

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah

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skd5aner:

I wasn't sure if you happened to see some of my message from last night when I was testing out the input/card switching patch

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: ymmv

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skd5aner:

sphery: happy to go over it again if needed (unless you can call up the log from last night)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

it sounded like you were having problems with inputs?

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sphery:

HD-PVR, specifically

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skd5aner:

well, I did some refactoring on my tuners to eliminate that problem...

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skd5aner:

Here's the problem now: [19:34] <skd5aner> well I think I see one problem – withing "TV Frontend" VIEWCARD is set to "Y" and within TV Playback NEXTSOURCE is set to "Y", is that defaulted like that?

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sphery:

yeah, just saw that

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skd5aner:

[19:41] <skd5aner> OK – removed the Y binding for VIEWCARD, and so Y is now just bound to NEXTSOURCE. However, when in LiveTV, and I hit Y, I *instantly* lose all keyboard/input response withing myth (I can still alt-tab)

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sphery:

NEXTCARD is never bound

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skd5aner:

I have to go and kill mythfrontend

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sphery:

VIEWCARD is bound to Y in TV Frontend, but only used in some scheduling portion of the app (not in TV Playback)

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skd5aner:

Yea, I bound that to Ctrl+C (or maybe Ctrl+Y, can't remember)

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skd5aner:

^nextcard

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sphery:

By default, NEXTCARD is unbound, NEXTINPUT = C, PREVSOURCE = Ctrl+Y, NEXTSOURCE = Y

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sphery:

all in TV Playback context

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skd5aner:

So, Next Input which swich inputs on a card (if available), since all my cards only have 1 input, I would say that's pretty worthless to me

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sphery:

It's possible that there may be a PiP-related issue that causes problems--as things were broken in the mythtv-pip branch

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sphery:

I'd have to ask Stanley for more info

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skd5aner:

well – I haven't tried any of the PIP stuff, but not saying it's not related

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sphery:

how many sources do you have?

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sphery:

yeah, I was thinking Stanley may have removed it intentionally because it doesn't work due to changes when he redid PiP/PbP

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skd5aner:

Well – "source" = what exactly – I want to make sure I know the difference between source and card (I understand input)

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sphery:

video source

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skd5aner:

So, I have 3 – Analog Source, Digital Source, and another seperate source for my HD-PVR

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skd5aner:

Analog Source – tied to 3 cards/1 input each

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skd5aner:

Digital Source, tied to 2 cards, and 1 HDHR/4 total physical inputs, 16 virtual

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mzb:

sphery, how about: http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/

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skd5aner:

HD-PVR – 1:1

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sphery:

mzb: that wasn't the one I read (as it's older and has the isofrom stuff, which isn't necessary anymore)

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mzb:

ah

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sphery:

now it should be "PLEASE NOTE: grub itself can boot CDROM images/ISOs. Version version 2 only."

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skd5aner:

sphery: in LiveTV, hitting "C", the OSD pops up and shows the current input used (SD3) in this case

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sphery:

yeah, that sounds like that works fine

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antgel:

can anyone tell me why my ITV1 has no program data? the xmltv id is correct in the settings in mythweb, and i've got a mythfilldatabase -v most log, and there aren't any apparent problems

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sphery:

the nextsource one is confusing, though

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mzb:

maybe this one? : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604

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sphery:

I seriously doubt that patch is causing the issue--but it may expose a different issue

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skd5aner:

next, when I hit Ctrl-C (nextcard), it switches cards as expected

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skd5aner:

however, when I hit "Y", I lose all form of keyboard input

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sphery:

mzb: not that one either--it was a nice short one that mentioned putting Knoppix and one or more Red Hat (RHEL? Fedora?) ISOs on the drive

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skd5aner:

sphery: I've got to run in a few, since you're here – anything else you'd like me to try/report real quick?

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mzb:

ah well, coffee over ... time to install irrigation in the $50 greenhouse before a job arrives ;)

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skd5aner:

alright – I've got to run now, but I'll catch up with you later

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sphery:

skd5aner: I'll have to think about it

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sphery:

skd5aner: thanks for testing

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sphery:

Wicked / mzb : found it! Just had to get the exact search phrase I used last time to find it (grub 2 boot cd). http://linuxcoaching.eu/linux_coaching/2009/0 . . . d-drive.html . Moral of the story: no matter how easy you think it will be to find the article when you want it next, it's probably worth bookmarking.

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sphery:

Oh, and guess it was CentOS, not (trademarked) Red Hat. :)

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conectate:

hi.. anybody out there?

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conectate:

I have mythtv configured displaying info in my LCD

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conectate:

the issue is that the LCDd.conf for the imonlcd says that you can leave a big clock on exit (OnExit=1)

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conectate:

however it is not working on my PC

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conectate:

I remember I had it working at the very beginning ... but after configuring mythtv it is not working

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conectate:

any idea?

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conectate:

any help please?

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: btw, I received the box

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achandra:

hello I'm trying to setup a hd-pvr with 0.22..Im running into issues where I get no livetv. Can some one have a look at the logs here – http://pastebin.com/d3da6e383

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achandra:

and provide some assistance

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achandra:

I think I might be missing something critical per the setup

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achandra:

basically no picture (only the black screen with a movie camera type logo), and then times out

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achandra:

Ive tested by catting the /dev/video to a file and the output appears to show video fine

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achandra:

any ideas?

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jmichelsen:

here i am :) thanks

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RDV_Linux:

jmichelsen: I just pmed you we should talk there

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jmichelsen:

p RDV_Linux sounds good

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achandra:

anyone?

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dustybin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8407690.stm

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Led-Hed:

anyone here good with mdamd?

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dustybin:

'Unsurprisingly, 27% of respondents admitted to not reading the instruction manuals for their gadgets and 29% gave up at the outset, saying modern technology is too complicated.'

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high-rez:

define good?

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** dustybin *coughs* **

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achandra:

Led-Hed, its been a while...but shoot

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Led-Hed:

achandra, thanks

[20:41:09]

Led-Hed:

I upgraded ubuntu and lost my RAID 5 array

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Led-Hed:

I did a mdadm --assemble --scan

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Led-Hed:

but it says that it cant assemble from 1 drive

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achandra:

Led-Hed, you'll have to peck...but what does the mdstat or some command akin to that.....again its been a while....say?

[20:42:25]

Led-Hed:

md0 : inactive sdb1[2](S)

[20:42:25]

Led-Hed:

1465135936 blocks

[20:42:55]

Led-Hed:

which is wrong. it should have 3 drives. sdb1 sdc1 sdd1

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achandra:

k

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achandra:

i remember seeing how to activate that...buts been a bloody while...ill have to dig

[20:43:27]

achandra:

one sec

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Led-Hed:

k

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achandra:

what does fdisk -l show ?

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achandra:

does it show the other disks in question?

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Led-Hed:

achandra, yes

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Led-Hed:

all labled, Linux RAID

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achandra:

Led-Hed: assemble like this? — mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1

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kormoc:

mdadm --misc --examine /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1

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kormoc:

pastebin

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Led-Hed:

I did that, says /dev/sdc1 is missing superblock

[20:45:38]

Led-Hed:

kormoc, K

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Led-Hed:

1 sec

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kormoc:

did you modify/format/lose a drive?

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, no

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Led-Hed:

sorry taking a long time to paste. I cant grab it all in putty

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, http://pastebin.com/m7a94a3c7

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Led-Hed:

all have same UUID

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Led-Hed:

I did mdadm -Es

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Led-Hed:

it shows that its a RAID 5

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Led-Hed:

with 3 devices

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Led-Hed:

I rebooted, and did mdadm --assemble --scan. It started /dev/md0 but only with 2 drives

[20:53:02]

Led-Hed:

mdstat shows /dev/sdd1 as part of md_d0

[20:53:29]

Led-Hed:

how do I remove it from md_d0 and add it to md0

[20:53:52]

achandra:

Led-Hed, what does the mdadm.conf file in /etc show is that reflective of your setup as well?

[20:53:53]

kormoc:

have you written to the disk at all?

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Led-Hed:

no

[20:54:08]

kormoc:

mounting counts as writing

[20:54:11]

kormoc:

still no?

[20:54:19]

Led-Hed:

ouch.

[20:54:21]

Led-Hed:

I mounted

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Led-Hed:

nothing else

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kormoc:

okay, so really, if you trust your drives, resetting sdd and adding it back and letting it rebuild will do the trick

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Led-Hed:

ok

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Led-Hed:

I trust that they wont physically fail

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** Led-Hed doesnt trust that he wont goof something up **

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, how do I remove sdd1 from md_d0

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kormoc:

mdadm --fail /dev/md_d0 /dev/sdd1 --remove /dev/md_d0 /dev/sdd1;mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1

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kormoc:

that /should/ do the trick

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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Led-Hed:

much appreciated

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achandra:

yep

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achandra:

that should do it ..

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kormoc:

then you can do mdadm --stop /dev/md_d0;mdadm --remove /dev/md_d0; to get rid of the other array

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Led-Hed:

says it cant get array info for /dev/md_d0

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Led-Hed:

but it shows in /proc/mdstat

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

perhaps /dev/md/d0 exists?

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kormoc:

(and /dev/md/0?)

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Led-Hed:

checking

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Led-Hed:

/dev/md_d0 exists

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kormoc:

weeeiiirrrdddd

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kormoc:

go ahead and do the --stop and --remove on md_d0 and see if that works

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achandra:

madam -S /dev/md_d0?

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achandra:

then mdadm -r /dev/md_d0?

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Led-Hed:

1 sec

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achandra:

anyone got hd-pvr working and can provide some tips?

[21:03:01]

kormoc:

my hd-pvr works

[21:03:28]

achandra:

kormoc, i've followed the guides *so I believe* ;) --- and getting a black screen issue on 0.22

[21:03:34]

achandra:

i have a pastebin of the logs

[21:03:41]

achandra:

kormoc, can you potentially assist?

[21:03:55]

kormoc:

I'll take a gander at the logs, but for me it pretty much just worked

[21:04:00]

achandra:

kormoc, http://pastebin.com/d3da6e383

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kormoc:

what are you using to change channels?

[21:04:56]

achandra:

kormoc, ugggh...figured that might be it....as a newb didnt understand that and went with /bin/true

[21:05:26]

achandra:

kormoc, i dont have the remote or lirc working so i didnt understand that i'd need to change channels per se...just wanted to get a picture at first

[21:05:31]

kormoc:

I personally love my setup. I have a firewire cable between my mythbox and cablebox and change channels with it, works perfectly

[21:05:47]

kormoc:

it's my guess from that log, as everything else looks okay

[21:05:59]

achandra:

kormoc, whats the script you used? or is there one?

[21:06:05]

achandra:

for the firewire

[21:06:18]

kormoc:

there's a pile of firewire channel changers in contrib

[21:07:05]

kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . nel_changers

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, I used to do it that way. then found out that my Cable Co provides all non-premium channels Clear so I use a HDHR now. saves me on having to pay for STBs each month

[21:07:48]

kormoc:

heh, I'm happy with the h264, I'm getting ~ 1000 shows per tb

[21:08:03]

achandra:

wow

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Led-Hed:

its rebuilding. Thanks kormoc and achandra

[21:08:36]

achandra:

kormoc, anything scream out at you as inconsistent with the setup? — the cat /dev/video > test.ts works fine

[21:08:39]

achandra:

Led-Hed, sweet

[21:08:43]

kormoc:

Led-Hed: awesome

[21:08:45]

achandra:

kormoc++

[21:08:58]

achandra:

too bad the karma points dont work here ;)

[21:09:07]

Led-Hed:

kormoc, who's your cable co?

[21:09:10]

kormoc:

achandra: if myth doesn't get a signal lock, it'll 'fail', but cat doesn't care about signal quality

[21:09:16]

kormoc:

Led-Hed: Verizon Fios

[21:09:19]

kormoc:

heh

[21:09:21]

Led-Hed:

oh

[21:09:37]

Led-Hed:

then you kinda need the STBs

[21:09:38]

Led-Hed:

:)

[21:09:48]

achandra:

kormoc, trying to understand here.. is my issue a potential signal lock issue? — and if so how do i go about analysing?

[21:09:57]

kormoc:

heh, I wouldn't know, never tried without one

[21:10:06]

Led-Hed:

I wish I could get FIOS. But that will never happen as I live in the sticks

[21:10:28]

kormoc:

achandra: well, if the box is set to a channel that gets no signal, myth would see it and fail (hence needing a channel changing script), cat wouldn't care and would pull whatever was there

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kormoc:

achandra: but I'm just guessing that your cat output is noise/blank picture

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jtmoney:

hey guys, i was playing around with mythtv for windows today and i upgraded my backend's scheme from 1244 to 1246... is there an easy way to revert to 1244?

[21:11:08]

achandra:

kormoc, nope...it came in crystal clear

[21:11:15]

kormoc:

ahh... hrm...

[21:11:25]

kormoc:

jtmoney: restoring the backup you made?

[21:11:30]

achandra:

kormoc, aka played the correct retarded buy this movie now crap

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achandra:

;)

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jtmoney:

i didn't make one :(

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achandra:

oye

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kormoc:

jtmoney: check your recording directory to see if we made one for you.

[21:12:29]

achandra:

kormoc, any tips on getting the remote to work?

[21:12:41]

kormoc:

achandra: I use a mceusb remote, so sadly not

[21:12:41]

achandra:

kormoc, what'd you do to get that all figured out?

[21:13:05]

kormoc:

achandra: you might want to talk to iamlindoro when he's around, he's a bit of a hdpvr expert

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jtmoney:

kormoc: nothing but mpgs and pngs in my recordings directory

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achandra:

kormoc, okay..so used the hdpvr , and the mceusb remote from there? — will do with iamlindoro

[21:14:03]

kormoc:

achandra: aye, hdpvr is only for recording on my setup, mceusb remote for control, firewire for channel changing

[21:15:41]

jtmoney:

kormoc: should i try updating the frontend using avenard's repo (i'm running ubuntu)... maybe the schema versions will match up

[21:16:10]

jtmoney:

or should i just drop the database?

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, can you mount a mdadm array while its rebuilding

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Led-Hed:

will writing to it cause problems (other than slow the rebuild process)?

[21:20:49]

achandra:

kormoc, ill give the sa3250ch a try

[21:21:02]

achandra:

kormoc, thanks for the pointer

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Led-Hed:

achandra, what STB do you have?

[21:21:23]

Led-Hed:

I had a sa3250HD and sa4250HD

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achandra:

Led-Hed, I dropped down $11 bucks a month and got the cheaper SA4300HD or what ever the hell it is compared to the SA8300HD

[21:22:05]

achandra:

yeah i think its the sa4250HD...not at home presently

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Led-Hed:

does it have firewire?

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achandra:

Led-Hed, yep

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achandra:

use that huh?

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Led-Hed:

but you are capturing through th HD-PVR

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achandra:

correct...because I was under the impression the fw was disabled

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achandra:

for the purposes of capturing

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achandra:

is that not correct?

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Led-Hed:

I doubt it

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achandra:

which part? ;)

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achandra:

the part about blocked or capturing?

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Led-Hed:

Cable Co's are required to allow capture over firewire

[21:23:43]

achandra:

i heard it was a hellacious process.

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Led-Hed:

for unenencrypted channels

[21:23:53]

achandra:

i see..i wanted both

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Led-Hed:

was quite easy

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achandra:

so i got the hd-pvr

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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Led-Hed:

if you have encrypted channels then HD-PVR is the only solution

[21:24:24]

achandra:

yep

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achandra:

got get my Jenna Jameson man

[21:24:35]

achandra:

;)

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Led-Hed:

thats what torrents are for

[21:24:52]

achandra:

ha ha

[21:24:53]

Led-Hed:

anyhow.

[21:25:14]

achandra:

back on topic...:)

[21:25:17]

Led-Hed:

when I ran the sa4250hd, it didnt require an external channel change script

[21:25:34]

achandra:

which distro?

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Led-Hed:

ubuntu 8.04

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achandra:

im on fedora 12, and have it almost working....

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achandra:

with 0.22

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Led-Hed:

I dont think distro matters much.

[21:26:10]

Led-Hed:

Oh, no 0.21

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achandra:

k

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Led-Hed:

0.22 wont run on 8.04

[21:26:36]

achandra:

hence the distro matters in this case ;)

[21:26:51]

achandra:

at least the version of the distro

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Led-Hed:

anyhow. Myth knows how to change the channel on the SA4250 but I'm not sure how you would it up. as you need to configure the capture device as the HD-PVR

[21:27:27]

achandra:

yep done that

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achandra:

i'll have to simply plug in the fw and try

[21:27:45]

Led-Hed:

in .22 can you group capture devices together?

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achandra:

not a biggie

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achandra:

dunno

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achandra:

anyhow...back to the house for me and ill brb

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Led-Hed:

well myth wont necessarily be aware if it.

[21:28:11]

achandra:

thanks for the assist

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Led-Hed:

any time.

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Led-Hed:

thank you for the RAID help

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achandra:

i think the script kormoc posted is the key

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achandra:

no worries..good linux practice ;)

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Led-Hed:

:)

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jtmoney:

does anyone know if it's possible to use commercial-skipping data with vlc or mplayer?

[21:30:13]

wagnerrp:

possibly if you export it to a chapter file

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jtmoney:

my backend runs ubuntu karmic, but i do have some windows machines and xbmc, xbmc/mythbox, mythtvplayer, etc. aren't really working for me

[21:30:23]

wagnerrp:

but neither have native capacity to read myth's database tables

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dorgan:

hello all

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dorgan:

does anyone know of a site that sell prebuilt mythboxes?

[21:39:34]

wagnerrp:

there have been several that have come and gone over the years

[21:39:38]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if anyone is currently doing it

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dorgan:

hmm ok

[21:40:29]

dorgan:

are there hd system configurations on a wiki someone so i could say just buy the things on the list?

[21:40:52]

dserban_:

so, in a nutshell, the hvr-1600 is the replacement to the pvr-150? I still have to use an stb to decode my providers signals... will it record hd for me?

[21:41:25]

wagnerrp:

it will record digital for you, if that digital is HD, so be it

[21:41:34]

wagnerrp:

but it will only record standard NTSC analog

[21:41:59]

wagnerrp:

the ONLY device capable of HD analog compatible with mythtv is the HDPVR

[21:42:16]

dserban_:

hmm, maybe I need to do some more poking so I understand wtf I'm "future-proofing" :P

[21:43:03]

dorgan:

is there such a thing as a dual HD tuner?

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dserban_:

wagnerrp: I remember you saying you have the 2250, and are still awaiting the analog side of things to work, kinda why i asked as NTSC is 720x480i so is that what I should expect from my stb to output to the 1600?

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dorgan:

????

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, I think Myth Frontend will compile for windows now

[21:51:26]

Led-Hed:

or you could use mythweb

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Led-Hed:

to watch the show

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wagnerrp:

i have no 2250

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jtmoney:

Led-Hed: i'm looking for a remote solution for bed, heh

[22:10:39]

jtmoney:

dserban_: i have a 1600 and an 1800... 1600 is amazing, 1800 does not yet have NTSC

[22:10:45]

jtmoney:

(nor do i believe it ever will at this pace)

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Led-Hed:

remote solution, like a dedicated appliance?

[22:13:40]

Led-Hed:

you can run hdmi over CAT5

[22:13:57]

Led-Hed:

and probably find an IR over ethernet solution as well

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dserban_:

wagnerrp: oh sorry I probably meant the 1250... or some such :s (memory fails me now)

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jtmoney:

Led-Hed: sorry, i meant remote control... i think i'll just get a mini-itx ion box and connect it to an LCD... i need to run windows on my main desktop

[22:25:58]

jtmoney:

(where i watch tv from in bed)

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, look at the Acer Revo

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Led-Hed:

$200

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Led-Hed:

HDMI out

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, you can also dual boot, or bet boot MythTV

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Led-Hed:

Thats what I do on all my kids PC's

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Led-Hed:

NT Loader prompts for Windows or MythTV. Windows on the hard drive, Myth Boots over the network

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i have one of those

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, the Revo

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wagnerrp:

the 1250

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Led-Hed:

oh

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Led-Hed:

funny they call it a nettop. the Atom is more powerful them my old AMD Barton from a few years ago

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jtmoney:

Led-Hed: do you know of a guide for booting mythtv over the network?

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jtmoney:

nevermind ;)

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jtmoney:

google is my friend and such

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jtmoney:

does anyone know if it's possible to decode hd properly through vmware/virtualbox?

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jtmoney:

maybe i could just run a vm for the frontend

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mcmoyer:

can mythmusic use storage groups? If so, what should the group name be?

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iamlindoro:

No

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mcmoyer:

bummer....it sure makes configuration quite a bit easier.

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, www.minimyth.org

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tzanger:

minimyth++

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tzanger:

I love it

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Led-Hed:

its the perfect frontend

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jtmoney:

thanks, guys

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Led-Hed:

and the maintainer is super helpful

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jtmoney:

# NVIDIA Xorg graphics driver 190.42

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jtmoney:

wow, that's nice to have right in there

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, I doubt the VMWare VGA driver will be sufficient for HD playback

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jtmoney:

yeah, that's what i'm thinking... i could always get a KVM and share a monitor between windows 7 and ubuntu

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, check out Wubi

[23:05:28]

Led-Hed:

Install Ubuntu on an NTFS partition

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tzanger:

yes, I've been running minimyth for about 3 years now, myth for maybe 5 or 6 I think

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tzanger:

I just wish the damned nv6150 had vdpau support

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jtmoney:

Led-Hed: i hate dual booting

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Led-Hed:

tank-man, same here, Myth Since 0.13, Minimyth since .20

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, why is that?

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jtmoney:

i guess i could do a better job sharing bookmarks between browsers, important files like to do lists, etc.

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jtmoney:

err *between OSs

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jtmoney:

make a FAT32 partition and share todolist.txt and bookmarks.json or what have you

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, Ubuntu can read an NTFS partition

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jtmoney:

ohh, even better

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Led-Hed:

writing is still a little bit risky

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Led-Hed:

though maybe its been improved. Havent checked recently

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jtmoney:

i guess i could dual boot... only boot into windows for games... i run x-plane a lot (i'm a student pilot), and i know it works for linux, but i have problems getting it working thus far... maybe once i get that down i can switch permanently

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Led-Hed:

Dual booting is a stable & cheap solution

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jtmoney:

yeah, i think i will do that

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jtmoney:

buy a revo for the kitchen though heh

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jtmoney:

that reminds me... i can stream 1080p (i know, i know... i should be more concerned about the bitrate here) from backend -> 802.11n -> router -> switch -> this pc

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jtmoney:

what if i did backend -> 802.11n -> router -> 802.11n -> some other pc?

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Chicago:

have a big enough buffer... what could be the problem

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jtmoney:

would that use 2x the bandwidth and therefore make streaming unbearable?

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jblack:

802.11g doesn't have enough bandwidth for a single hdtv broadcast. You can do myth over 802.11g if you transcode everything first

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jtmoney:

i have n though... it's faster

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Chicago:

802.11g with AES (ccmp) instead of TKIP could do it... that' 20000+ kbps

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jtmoney:

i can stream hd w/o transcoding currently

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jtmoney:

ohh

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Led-Hed:

jtmoney, 802.11g has more than enough bandwidth for HD

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jblack:

Led-Hed: Not here, it doesn't.

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jtmoney:

yeah, maybe it was poor sys admin here, but that's why i upgaded to n

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Led-Hed:

jblack, then your wireless is messed up

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jblack:

No, led-hed, my wireless is not "messed up".

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Led-Hed:

HD shouldnt saturate 802.11g

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Led-Hed:

HDTV shouldnt use more than 15–20mbit

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt saturate G, but youre not going to have much headroom

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wagnerrp:

and if youre still going to have hiccups which will be noticeable as video pauses

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Led-Hed:

15–20mbit for HD,

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wagnerrp:

15–25mbps for G

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wagnerrp:

you will NEVER get anything like the 54mbps datarate as usable throughput

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Led-Hed:

agreed

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Led-Hed:

I've run HD over a .11g bridge with little to no issue

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jblack:

Even in the country. Try it even in a small town, and are likely several other wireless networks around, microwaves degrading signal, wireless phones and garage door openers.

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wagnerrp:

youre probably mistaken about an atom being more powerful than your barton

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Chicago:

yeah seriously... I don't even know how they come up with those theoretical numbers

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wagnerrp:

the dual core one might be, depending on the speed of your barton

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jtmoney:

i wish i could run cat5/5e/6/whatever, but i'm moving into a townhouse

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wagnerrp:

but its certainly not going to come anywhere close in single threaded performance

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, real world use, it hangs in there

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** jblack gives up tonight **

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Led-Hed:

Barton @ 1833 vs Atom, very close matchup in my experience

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wagnerrp:

jblack: baby monitors, apparently those are a big killer

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jblack:

wagnerrp: I would believe that in a heartbeat.

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Led-Hed:

I guess it depends on how far you're going with the wireless, but in my house, HD played fine between floors

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Led-Hed:

though I'm not in a highly populated area either

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wagnerrp:

and you may have relatively low bitrate HD

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wagnerrp:

i know my digital recordings only average around 13mbps

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Led-Hed:

also possible, never actually measured it

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wagnerrp:

whats a typical hour long recording?

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Led-Hed:

mine was coming via firewire from STB

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jblack:

Led-Hed: I'm in a town of 40,000 people. Comcast _just_ bothered to show. There are 6 other 802.11g networks within range.

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jblack:

And I live in a house.

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Led-Hed:

not sure. cant tell you right now either as my storage array is rebuilding

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wagnerrp:

mine are usually ~5.5–6/hr

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wagnerrp:

full bitrate is closer to 8.5/hr

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Led-Hed:

I guess you cant control the bitrate on HD like you could on the PVR-250

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wagnerrp:

not at all

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achandra:

Hi guys, having a time getting a channel lock with the hd-pvr on myth 0.22

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Led-Hed:

run without encryption and place it on its own subnet

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achandra:

I tried a test with firewire and it appears to work fine

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Led-Hed:

DMZ

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: eh?

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wagnerrp:

you thinking of the HDHR?

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, I have an HDHR

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wagnerrp:

do you have a HDPVR?

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wagnerrp:

completely different things

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Led-Hed:

but I was saying that he could remove the WPA or WEP and increase through put

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, I have a HDHomeRun by Silicon Dust

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wagnerrp:

oh, i thought you were replying to achandra

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Led-Hed:

achandra, you can cap through firewire?

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malloc64:

is there a way to setup mythtv without a tuner and fake a recording (i've got a file) so that i can work on a bug?

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wagnerrp:

malloc64: you can set up a dummy tuner

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achandra:

Led-Hed, as a test removed the hdpvr and just went firewire...and no issues with picture

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iamlindoro:

malloc64, Create an mpeg-2 tuner and point it at an mpeg-2 file

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iamlindoro:

instead of a dev node

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Led-Hed:

achandra, all channels?

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wagnerrp:

rather than the normal /dev/video0... .what iamlindoro saidf

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achandra:

Led-Hed, nope — unencrypted

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Led-Hed:

achandra, even Jenna

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achandra:

Led-Hed, no Jenna :(

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achandra:

lol

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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Led-Hed:

then you need the HD-PRV

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achandra:

yep

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Led-Hed:

channel changes work fine over the Firewire without external channel change script?

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wagnerrp:

HD-PPV?

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achandra:

and trying to get it working...but running into getting the channel lock on it

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, yu

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** mag0o points to vivi module **

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achandra:

as explained before cat to /dev/video0 > foo.ts no problems...appears channel lock is issue

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mag0o:

why isn't that suggested for creating a dummy tuner?

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mag0o:

(out of pure curosity)

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achandra:

im wondering if it isnt the issue with the channel changer that is causing the issue

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, because pointing existing code at a file is way, way easier?

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mag0o:

the module creates a dummy v4l device

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mag0o:

wouldn't that be easier?

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, why would it be better to make setting it up more complicated?

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iamlindoro:

pointing the tuner at an MPEG-2 file exposes all the same functionality compiling, installing, modprobing, and setting up a vivi module would, with far fewer steps and points of failure

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mag0o:

ah, well, i guess i was also assuming it was already built ;)

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, even if it was, modprobing, confirming it works, living with the extra level of possible failure... for what?

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mag0o:

well, like i said, pure curiosity

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iamlindoro:

all downside, no upside

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wagnerrp:

unless the problem is actually one only seen when dealing with v4l framegabbers

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wagnerrp:

and who wants to use those anyway....

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Led-Hed:

zoso****

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