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Saturday, December 12th, 2009, 00:03 AST

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wagnerrp:

so WD restructures the block order on hard drives, dropping redundancy for 11% more space

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what that will end up doing for lifetime and UBER

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, how much redundancy did WD build into their drives to begin with?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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Chicago:

It would be neat to control the track width and set your own drive controller up to be as dense or as sparse as you want it to be...

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wagnerrp:

i, and damn near everyone else on the planet, dont understand how to set that sort of stuff up properly

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wagnerrp:

just because you can tinker with such a thing doesnt mean you should

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achandra:

allright figured out....missing faad2 packages...i have picture now!

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achandra:

Led-Hed, thanks for help...got it working...no for some glitches

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wagnerrp:

thats an audio decode, has nothing to do with picture

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achandra:

Led-Hed, woops thats glitches..that is

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wagnerrp:

and AFAIK, myth doesnt use it anyway

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achandra:

wagnerrp, well no picture at all until i installed that package...and myth did bitch about it

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achandra:

the next to thing to figure out is the glitchyness i get — any ideas?

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achandra:

getting a message Mixer unable to find control PCM....any ideas?

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djmadness:

Hi, I was wondering, does the internal player in mythvideo support some sort of playlists ? I've been trying with a standard file with paths to the video's, however no luck.

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djmadness:

I am asking, since i am watching a bunch of episodes in a series... and i do prefere the internal player to handle everything... nicer subtitles, much better interface etc.

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sphery:

The TV player does

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sphery:

The MythVideo interface only does through setting up "File to always play after this one" or whatever it's called

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sphery:

so, not really

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djmadness:

ouch... would of been nice though

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djmadness:

where is the file to "allways play after this one" ?

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sphery:

edit metadata on the video

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sphery:

either the M or I menu

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sphery:

(don't remember which)

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djmadness:

okeys, that was a step in the direction. its the info one iirc... but ill find it :)

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djmadness:

thanks

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achandra:

Seeing a NVP(0): prebuffering pause message on hd-pvr with 0.22 — everytime i see this, picture/sound glitch

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sphery:

achandra: That's a very generic symptom that could be cause by many different problems. Best I can offer is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

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sphery:

but it basically boils down to "the player isn't getting the data it needs fast enough to keep up with realtime playback)

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achandra:

sphery: very good lemme look

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wagnerrp:

and theres the 'play all in folder'

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wagnerrp:

but neither have a 'exit all playback'

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wagnerrp:

so youre stuck playing all files in sequence

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wagnerrp:

the internal player doesnt return some sort of exit code does it?

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wagnerrp:

whether it ended, or was manually terminated?

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mag0o:

haha, hillbillies mentioned in that article sphery

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wagnerrp:

poor Wash.... get run through by a spaceship like Ming the Merciless, and now youre always type-cast as the bad guy

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high-rez:

Whose Wash?

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wagnerrp:

the guy run through with a spaceship

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high-rez:

goodWash = (good) Wash

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** high-rez is lost **

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wagnerrp:

wash wasnt on Lost

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wagnerrp:

there people got run through with an aircraft, silly

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BackLash|TheFly:

Hey, Im going to be giving Mythtv a shot but does anyone know of a way can manipulate svideo output to properly fit my tv?

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hpbox:

Hi, my HD channels don't match schedulesdirect,, can I switch and tweak these around somehow ?

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Led-Hed:

BackLash|TheFly, sure

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Led-Hed:

BackLash|TheFly, you can adjust the overscan to and the dimensions of your TV with xorg.conf

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BackLash|TheFly:

Led-Hed hmmm will it still work if im using xrandr

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** Led-Hed googles xrandr **

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hpbox:

I found scte65scan

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, was it missing?

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Led-Hed:

BackLash|TheFly, I dont know

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Led-Hed:

BackLash|TheFly, what video card?

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hpbox:

my schedulesdirect and actual channels don't match up

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hpbox:

it's a HaughPaugh 2250

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hpbox:

unfortunatly it doesn't do anlaog ( I understand )

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hpbox:

soory that wasn't directed at me..

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, I did it manually. Sucked. Couldnt get scte65scan to work with my Cable Co.

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hpbox:

the 2250 is kind of a terrible card, the only channles that I want (or at least know about) I do not get

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hpbox:

it takes a long time to tune, and when it does it can freeze the card, so you need to reboot

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hpbox:

I'll give it a shot I guess (scte65scan)

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, have you considered a HDHomeRun?

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hpbox:

I think I have COX actually

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hpbox:

sorry is HDHomeRun a recorded or a program to fix channels..

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BackLash|TheFly:

LedHed ati x300SE

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, no. not your cable co. The HDHomeRun is a Dual ATCS/QAM tunner

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hpbox:

I had an old haughpaugh 150 it was great

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hpbox:

I got cha, I don't really care to watch HD, actualy I never had it before

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Led-Hed:

BackLash|TheFly, I havent done anything with ATI cards in a long time, but if I remember corectly there are settings within xorg.con that allow you to adjust Overscan

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mzb:

BackLash|TheFly, I've used xrandr in the past. Can't remember the details but it *did* work

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hpbox:

I think the driver for it is still being written, I was just goint to wait it out

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, the 2250 is a HD only card with respect to Linux

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mzb:

I've used nvidia and matrox

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iamlindoro:

no, it's a digital only card

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Led-Hed:

The Analog portion of the 2250 is not supported

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iamlindoro:

with respect to linux

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hpbox:

I used xrandr once,, made my screen go sideways

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mzb:

hm

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hpbox:

Led-Hed: it's not a driver thing?

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, isnt that what I said

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, no

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed, no

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iamlindoro:

<Led-Hed> hpbox, the 2250 is a HD only card with respect to Linu

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hpbox:

owwwhh

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BackLash|TheFly:

mzb, yeh ive got s-vid on the tv im just trying to make it fit properly its a tad too short and offset to the right

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wagnerrp:

hpbox: technically you use randr, xrandr is just one GUI interface to that module of X

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, there are no drivers for the analog tunner portion of the 2250

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hpbox:

but it's a software restriction right?

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, ok. sorry you are correct. It is digital only (not necessarily HD only)

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hpbox:

I can wait it will come eventaully

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, dont hold your breath

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hpbox:

how does my old tv work if the signal is digital?

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mzb:

BackLash|TheFly, adjust resolution and overscan, then "shrink" the menu to fit ... might need separate fiddling for playback

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mzb:

(takes months to get the hang of it;))

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, the card captures it digitally, MythTV will display it on an analog source

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hpbox:

Led-Hed: ha ha,, I've never programmed a device driver, but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot

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mzb:

ie: screen needs to *FILL* TV, then reduce menu res to fit

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mzb:

playback will be another matter

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, if you have the skill, I'm sure people would be very appreciative to get an analog driver for the 2250,

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hpbox:

right I get the card, but why does my tv work at all if the signal is digital?

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mzb:

s/menu res/menu dimensions/

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Led-Hed:

hpbox, you have a STB (set top box)?

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hpbox:

yues

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hpbox:

sorry, Led-Hed: yes

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Led-Hed:

theres your answer. Also Cable Co's and Sat are still sending Analog. Just not being broadcast over the air waves any longer

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** xri1 does the happy dance for figuring out why his mythbox has been borked.. (incompatible RAM timings are a BITCH to track down especially when they're in the upper range of the memory block) **

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mzb:

hpbox, if you intend to write a kernel driver then you're setting yourself a high target (judging from your comments so far and my own experience)

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hpbox:

Wouldn't that mess up the picture of the Original TV signal? It's not like the tv was built to be forwards-compatible

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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Led-Hed:

mzb, LOL

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** xris apologizes for breaking his own rule about language **

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hpbox:

mzb: I'm a pretty good programmer, but this would be the wrong field

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mzb:

and I've only written an LKM for a simple parallel I/O card

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iamlindoro:

xris, yeah, no Swedish in here

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iamlindoro:

"bork" indeed

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mzb:

hpbox, OK, you're probably streets ahead of me in ability (and age;)) ... you'll probably pick it all up a lot quicker :)

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hpbox:

I just got a n900 I'm planning on having it automatically updated when I mount it

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xris:

and now for ... `yum reinstall *`.... yay

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achandra:

sphery, honestly i think it my be the videocard x1600..which has the hdmi plug..but no darn ati drivers that'll work for it

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achandra:

sphery, it'll be an interesting work around

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hpbox:

scte65scan is returning "PID 0x1ffc timeout"

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BackLash|TheFly:

ok i getting closer... ive been successful in repositioning/resizing the horizontal but it would appear the vertical size command isnt working (or doesnt exist) also thers a small slice of the right of the screen that is cut off

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Led-Hed:

how do I upgrade the mythconverg when moving from 0.21 to 0.22? Will mythtv-setup handle the schema changes?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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Chicago:

even if the database was in latin instead of utf-8?

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slacker-:

hi

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slacker-:

I've installed mythfrontend and mythvideo on my laptop and it can play recordings but everytime I try go to "watch Videos" mythfrontend segfaults

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slacker-:

running myth* version 0.22 on ubuntu karmic

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wagnerrp:

check your frontend logs

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wagnerrp:

see if it complains about something before the segfault

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wagnerrp:

upgrade from the 0.22 release candidate that ships stock with mythbuntu karmic

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slacker-:

i've got 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember off hand when the official release was

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slacker-:

I ran dist-upgrade 5 minutes ago

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slacker-:

and I can't find any errors in the log other than this

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slacker-:

2009-12–12 16:01:52.796 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2)

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wagnerrp:

and 22594 is from back in late october

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wagnerrp:

but being up to date isnt really important

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wagnerrp:

run with '-v most' and see what myth is doing just prior to the segfault

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slacker-:

it loads a lot of images connects to the database and then crashes

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wagnerrp:

pastebin it

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slacker-:

where to?

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wagnerrp:

in the topic, mythtv.pastebin.ca

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slacker-:

ah

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slacker-:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1711936

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wagnerrp:

got any timestamp on the segfault?

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slacker-:

it says "Video dialog loading, or no videos available ..." before it dies

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wagnerrp:

theres probably one listed in `dmesg`

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slacker-:

it might be this one: [ 984.086220] mythfrontend.re[2762]: segfault at 109 ip 03fa4c2f sp bfcdb890 error 6 in libmythvideo.so[3ef7000+10b000]

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slacker-:

i've got a lot

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wagnerrp:

basically, its loading the module, grabbing a bunch of images, polling the database for content, and then you get a segfault

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wagnerrp:

normally it would be printing out a list of your video content (i assuming with '-v most')

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Defense|Twin:

Hi today i plan to migrate my mythtv-backend-box from fedora 11 to debian 6 (testing). Is there anything i should take a look at before i start installing the debian system? (anyone knows if there packages for testing available?)

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slacker-:

any obvious settings i could check in mythweb?

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slacker-:

or frontend

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wagnerrp:

honestly, ive not heard of it segfaulting there

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wagnerrp:

since its a mythbuntu binary, i might try in their channel to see if anyone has experienced it

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slacker-:

well, there's a trick. set VideoStartupDir and you're right

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt set that

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wagnerrp:

do you have any ISOs or VIDEO_TS folders?

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slacker-:

no

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wagnerrp:

then you should be migrating to storage groups

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wagnerrp:

see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide

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wagnerrp:

file access is handled with the standard mythtv libraries, rather than done directly through the file system

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wagnerrp:

which allows things like remote streaming without having to set up NFS

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wagnerrp:

although it seems odd that it would segfault just because there was no directory set to use

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slacker-:

ah yes.. now it says 'file not found' when I try to play one

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wagnerrp:

youre on a remote machine, using local paths

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wagnerrp:

it wont work unless you have the path mounted via NFS

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slacker-:

yes, reading that link

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wagnerrp:

if you switch to SGs, myth will handle the communication automatically

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wagnerrp:

but it will require a rescan

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slacker-:

although, maybe nfs isn't such a bad idea anyway

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wagnerrp:

and you will have to repopulate all your metadata

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slacker-:

I don't have any

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slacker-:

never worked for me

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wagnerrp:

ok

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wagnerrp:

nfs isnt a bad idea, SGs are just considerably easier

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slacker-:

i've deactivated the jamu because it kept failing and not getting anything

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wagnerrp:

jamu will not do anything if youve not set inetrefs for youe videos

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slacker-:

nfs is set up in 1 minute

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wagnerrp:

you have to setup and mount nfs for each machine

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wagnerrp:

you have to set up mythvideo on each machine

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wagnerrp:

with SGs, you do it once on the backend and youre done

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slacker-:

yes, but I've got only one :)

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wagnerrp:

if you ever want to change things, you change one machine

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slacker-:

alright.. as I said, i'm reading

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slacker-:

aw.. I want mplayer

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wagnerrp:

then you might want to wait until 0.23

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slacker-:

any idea when that's coming out?

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wagnerrp:

although Internal should work for just about any content you throw at it

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wagnerrp:

(since its using the same decoding libraries as mplayer)

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wagnerrp:

beginning of march

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slacker-:

alright

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slacker-:

thanks for your help

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slacker-:

i will try SGs

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slacker-:

later. have to run now

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slacker-:

bye

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beatbreaker:

i'm having problems getting my backend to talk to my frontend, i don't know why – does it have to do with ports?

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wagnerrp:

backend doesnt talk to the frontend... frontend talks to the backend

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beatbreaker:

sorry, what you said

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wagnerrp:

so ports must be open on the backed if youre running a firewall

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beatbreaker:

i'm pretty sure there's no firewall happening

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wagnerrp:

did you give the backend a routeable IP (not 127.0.0.1)

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wagnerrp:

did you set up mysql to listen on the network?

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wagnerrp:

did you give the remote frontend database permissions in mysql?

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beatbreaker:

yeah the IP is find, i can ping the IP from the frontend too

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wagnerrp:

the IP you set in mythtv-setup

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beatbreaker:

yeah i'm prompted everytime i try to start it for the IP, i know it's the right one

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wagnerrp:

what prompts?

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beatbreaker:

i dunno the general mythtv user, mythtv password, mysql server, my sql database

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beatbreaker:

and the port

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wagnerrp:

thats for the mysql database

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend doesnt care where the backend is, it gets that from the database

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wagnerrp:

and its not asking for the local user and password

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beatbreaker:

well then it needs to know where the database is

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wagnerrp:

its asking for the mysql username and password

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wagnerrp:

those are completely independent from system users and passwords

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beatbreaker:

ok well i'm pretty sure that info is correct, it works ok from the backend

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wagnerrp:

and you must grant that user access from that frontend

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wagnerrp:

in mysql

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wagnerrp:

the fact that it asks every time indicates that you either do not have write permission to your home directory

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wagnerrp:

or you have no set up permissions properly on the mysql server, and it keeps asking for the correct credentials

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beatbreaker:

well i'm confussed because i got this all working before

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beatbreaker:

it's only stopped working because i've updated to mythbuntu 9.10 and mythtv 0.22

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beatbreaker:

the backend has remained the same

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beatbreaker:

and the router gives out the IP addresses, so they've stayed fixed

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wagnerrp:

unless you have specifically mapped certain IPs to certain MAC addresses, i would not expect your router to hand out static addresses

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beatbreaker:

i've mapped IPs to mac addresses

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beatbreaker:

i dunno maybe permissions have changed because the frontend may be under a different username... so then it doesn't have access? i'm not sure

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wagnerrp:

system users and mysql users are completely independent

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beatbreaker:

ok, so i'm still using the same mysql user and it's not working

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beatbreaker:

how could i check all that information is correct?

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wagnerrp:

well you cant, really... the password is encrypted in the database

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beatbreaker:

ah wait, i think my backend is using a port according to my mythtv-settings on the backend, i'll try that now

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beatbreaker:

i know the password

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wagnerrp:

but as long as the ip/hostname of the frontend is the same, mysql should allow access

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wagnerrp:

assuming it has not reverted to no network access

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beatbreaker:

ok so this is going to be easier now, i've got the frontend up in VNC and i'm on the backend

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hume:

Hi.... I am using mythtv with a dvb-c-card & CI-card, but I have a problem with one single channel: I only get partial lock (LAMc) on it. A week ago I could watch, since then it does not work. Anyone got any advice on what to do, search for, where to look?

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artus36:

Hallo zusammen

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ciphergoth:

I want to move my MythTV setup from an old machine with 0.21 on Debian Etch to a new one with 0.22 and Ubuntu Karmic Koala. Does it suffice to back up the database and the /var/lib/mythtv/tv directory, or do I need to do some other migration stuff?

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ciphergoth:

weirdly the release notes are silent on the subject of upgrading! Does that mean nothing need be done?

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ciphergoth:

Pretty quiet – is this channel busier at other tomes?

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ciphergoth:

times, even!

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antgel:

ciphergoth: normally pretty busy, i'd hang about

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neztiti:

hi guys – no audio here with ver.0.22

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neztiti:

ubuntu 9.10

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tank-man:

neztiti, you got sound outside of mythtv?

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neztiti:

sure with vdr and kaffeine ane me-tv and with all the applications

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neztiti:

i have c.media audio card

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neztiti:

Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.

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neztiti:

2009-12–12 15:30:05.856 Mixer unable to find control Master

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neztiti:

tank-man: http://pastebin.com/m30feecfb

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tank-man:

so video works?

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neztiti:

sure tank-man

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neztiti:

tank-man : with the recording there is audio – but with live tv not

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neztiti:

i mean i have audio with the recording from the live tv

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tim-:

having an issue.. using mythbuntu 9.10 and some avermedia a180 cards.. i cant seem to get the tuner to find any channels. Some it says "Timed Out, No Signal" others "Timed Out, No Channels"... anyone have any advice?

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oobe:

tim using scan in dvb-utils to produce a channels conf then get mythtv-setup to use tha conf instead will work ( also manually adding the transports will work)

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tim-:

oobe: thanks i'll try that out

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** justinh looks in the log **

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justinh:

tim-: increasing both timeouts in mythtv-setup's tuner card section can help. As can the tuning delay option in the recording options part of the tuner card setup page

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justinh:

or, if you know the frequency of a transport (which you can glean from dvb-utils scan) just do a tuned scan. Leave everything but the frequency as AUTO :)

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oobe:

awesome timing justinh

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justinh:

it's all well & good working round problems in the scanner but if they never get reported nobody can fix them

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justinh:

some drivers are known to act differently to others – sometimes where a full scan works, it won't work on other tuners

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justinh:

I've been doing some detective work on that score but so far not got anywhere

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justinh:

and dvb-utils scans *always* seem to work because they scan known frequencies – the same way a tuned scan in mythtv-setup works

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justinh:

seems that something in the full scanner goes pear-shaped when moving between frequencies – but only with some drivers

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justinh:

I've not read the v4l-dvb API yet.. don't really want to dig that deep – nor do I want to call into question the work danielk et al do

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justinh:

but there's something cooky going on with some cards that's for sure. If it's a 'broken' driver then yeah fine – but if could be worked around somehow at least it won't leave users stuck

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mag0o:

hmm, as of lately one of my frontends has bee failing midway through recording playback with http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1712174

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mag0o:

and is somewhat reproducable

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justinh:

saw a tweet about 2.6.31 the other day seemingly causing random backend disconnects...

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mag0o:

hmm, that could be it

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justinh:

no idea what the real cause is but the guy said 2.6.30 was just fine

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mag0o:

heh, there it went again

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mag0o:

i'll try 2.6.29.something

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Dibblah:

http://www.dibblah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/powermeter-board.png

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Dibblah:

... Silk screening? We don't need no stinking silk screening.

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Dibblah:

Put Staedtler out of business if everyone used silk screens.

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justinh:

how do you manage all that on one side?

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Dibblah:

I didn't exactly. There are 8 tracks on the "other" side, emulated with wire.

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justinh:

heh

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Dibblah:

I hate lining up multilayer boards :(

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justinh:

nifty though

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justinh:

I was trying to lay out my cat5 audio tx/rx the other day. Got *nowhere* slowly

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Dibblah:

Yeah, it's very slow to start off.

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justinh:

that was using Eagle mind. I could prolly do better with graph paper

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justinh:

the rj45 sockets is what cocks it all up

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** Dibblah just hopes that the 0805s will in fact be OK with potentially 60v over them. **

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Dibblah:

(very very low current)

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justinh:

Dibblah: depends on the rating :)

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AndyCap:

one way to find out.

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Dibblah:

They're 0805 – Only really come in one rating.

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justinh:

about 125V I thought

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Dibblah:

4 resistors on the v+ form a series string as half of the voltage divider.

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mag0o:

Dibblah: you seen this? http://www.riccibitti.com/pcb/pcb.htm

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mag0o:

can't say that i've tried it (wouldn't know where to start) but it looked interesting

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Dibblah:

Yeah, it's a variant of another guy's work that I know.

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Dibblah:

I use sticky label backing paper.

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Dibblah:

And a laminator.

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** AndyCap thinks fecl3 qualifies as special materials. **

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justinh:

whut.. toner is etch resistant?!

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Dibblah:

Uh... Yes?

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justinh:

heh.

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Dibblah:

Most toner is, however, it depends on the manufacturer how well it works.

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justinh:

I've worked in electromoronics for a *long* time & I didn't know that

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justinh:

I knew about transfer sprays you can use but somehow didn't make the connection :-\

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justinh:

just goes to show how much practical stuff you get to do when you work in the field :-(

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neztiti:

tank-man : r u here??

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Dibblah:

Electronics? In a field?

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Dibblah:

What do you do, electrocute cows for fun? ;)

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neztiti:

solved

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mag0o:

no, he electrocutes them for steak!

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justinh:

wth have SageTV sent me an email offer for?

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Did you offer to buy their source code last time they were going bust?

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sab:

I got mythtv-release-0.22-fixes from svn, built and installed in /usr with no errors on amd64, binarys can't link to libfusion,libdirect and libartsc ... can anyone suggest a solution?

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sab:

when I installed mythtv from package manager, I had the same problem.

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sab:

has anyone tried to install mythtv-0.22 from package manager in ubuntu-9,10?

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Defense|Twin:

Hi, currently i'm trying to upgrade my database schema... but it keeps failing...

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Defense|Twin:

(after upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22)

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Defense|Twin:

but since i dont have any important entries in the database, i want to ask what will happen if i just drop the database by hand?

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: All should be fine if you drop the DB ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database ) and then create a new one ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ial_database ).

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** npm ponders just-discovered f12 gdm-plugin-fingerprint... if that actually works reliably, seems easy, along w/ mythtv cctv stuff, to create a secure entry w/ video-id in a box for not very much money :-) **

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: though it's possible to get the existing database to upgrade

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HEAdsd:

19:06 < HEAdsd> hellou

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HEAdsd:

19:07 < HEAdsd> can someone help me get my anysee usb dvb-c card working

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HEAdsd:

19:07 < HEAdsd> pls

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sphery:

I don't know anything about that card or about USB cards in general, but I will say to make sure it's supported in Linux (or it won't work in MythTV). See http://linuxtv.org/wiki/ .

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HEAdsd:

it is

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HEAdsd:

anysee e30 c plus

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sphery:

then it's just a matter of waiting for someone who knows that card. :) good luck

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HEAdsd:

hrr ^^

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Makere:

anysee :(

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HEAdsd:

:o

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Makere:

Anysee E30 Plus is supported in kernel since 2.6.27

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Makere:

I think the card reader support is not there yet

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HEAdsd:

hmm

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HEAdsd:

i havent got the slightest idea how to configure the card

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HEAdsd:

we got to the point were you are supposed to dl the channels but cant get past it

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Makere:

Support for it is now (05/2008) merged to the mainline Linux-DVB tree. It is already working fine for most. The newest version of the E30C device is however not yet working,

[13:17:07]

Makere:

and would need someone with the device to step up on the mailing list and offer information/help so that also that version can be gotten to work.

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Makere:

Overview/Features

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Makere:

oops

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HEAdsd:

argh, any ideas how to know if i have the new model

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Makere:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Anysee_E30C_Plus

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Makere:

it's an usb car right?

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Makere:

card*

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HEAdsd:

yes

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Makere:

type lsusb

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Makere:

and see what you get about the device

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HEAdsd:

yes

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HEAdsd:

Bus 003 Device 002: ID 099a:7202 Zippy Technology Corp

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HEAdsd:

is it that one?

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Makere:

hmm

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Makere:

doubt/dunno

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HEAdsd:

simo@mediapc:~$ lsusb

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HEAdsd:

Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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HEAdsd:

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

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HEAdsd:

Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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HEAdsd:

Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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HEAdsd:

Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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HEAdsd:

Bus 003 Device 002: ID 099a:7202 Zippy Technology Corp.

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HEAdsd:

Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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HEAdsd:

Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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Makere:

paste in pastebin next time

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HEAdsd:

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1c73:861f

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HEAdsd:

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

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HEAdsd:

sry

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Defense|Twin:

sphery: thx... dunno why it always fails but i dont want to know it, if it's taking so much time ;-)

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HEAdsd:

so i have the new model

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HEAdsd:

?

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HEAdsd:

^

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HEAdsd:

^^

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Makere:

HEAdsd: try lshw | grep anysee

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Makere:

and I dunno

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HEAdsd:

nothing shows up

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: so this was basically just a test setup for 0.21-fixes?

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sphery:

HEAdsd: please use http://pastebin.ca/ for more than a couple lines. Thanks. :)

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HEAdsd:

yeah other guy allready said about it

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sphery:

ah, yeah, now I see it.

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HEAdsd:

Makere: any ideas

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Makere:

dunno

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Makere:

lol

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Makere:

try lshq

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Makere:

lshw***

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Makere:

lshw and paste it in pastebin

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Makere:

or if you see any anysee lines there

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HEAdsd:

http://pastebin.ca/1712263

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HEAdsd:

ofc i got the new model? XD

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HEAdsd:

any ideas+

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Defense|Twin:

sphery: no, was my "real" mythtv box but as it has only 80GB i'm always archiving the movies on my desktop and since fedora made 0.22 stable i had to upgrade

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Defense|Twin:

sphery: now (after deleting the DB) mythtv-setup doesn't find the backend anymore

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: right, you'll have to configure that in mythtv-setup under General

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: it may prompt for the information on startup, if so, just enter it

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Defense|Twin:

sphery: hm it still doesn't find it :/

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dewman:

hello

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dewman:

I have a quick question if someone can point me in the right direction

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dewman:

I am trying to setup a second backend, but the darn thing keeps terminating with a status of 242

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dewman:

the second backend is the one that is showing 242 in the syslog, not the primary master

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sphery:

dewman: that means you haven't configured the backend IP address. mythtv-setup, General section

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sphery:

not the master backend one, "this" backend one

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sphery:

on the slave

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sphery:

Defense|Twin and dewman : if you have more than one host involved, do not use 127.0.0.1 anywhere for IP addresses (on any system)

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: you probably need to also fix your config.xml and/or (every single) mysql.txt files

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks he'll shutdown his system, pull the mirror of the system disk, and proceed with the 0.22-fixes upgrade... Sound like a plan? ;-) **

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[14:50:10]

Brad-D:

hey guys, do you know how the myth internal player determines which audio track to play on a mp4 file? I've encoded a movie, and it always seems to pick the french track. not sure why. I can switch it back to english, but would love to know why it is doing it. When I try with mplayer, it seems to pick the english.

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: when you mux to mp4, you set the order of the tracks

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wagnerrp:

whatever tool you are using is setting the wrong order

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Brad-D:

and muxing to mp4, would be when i use Handbrake to convert the vob to the mp4 file?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere in that process, handbrake is muxing

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Brad-D:

thanks i will check that out

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jarle:

Anybody using myth_scanner in Europe?

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Brad-D:

wagnerr: as always you were totally right, hehe

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dewman:

sphery, thanks..... =)

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wagnerrp:

mp4 is just an order of streams, mkv just sets a primary track

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antgel:

so, i did some channel scan last night in my travails to get ITV HD to work, and (despite the fact i barely inserted any channels), my channums for that source are all underscored i.e. 1 became _1. anyone know why this might have happened, and have a way to fix it, perhaps with some magic SQL?

[15:00:56]

antgel:

and my database backup had failed for some reason – the moral is always check the filesize of a database backup. :(

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

Humm... I should probably upgrade *from* Fedora 8 too? Humm............

[15:02:06]

sphery:

antgel: any details on why?

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sphery:

was this a manually created backup?

[15:02:36]

antgel:

sphery: yes, some mysqldump (blah) > dump.sql

[15:02:46]

sphery:

ah, ok...

[15:02:58]

antgel:

i didn't work out why yet, my main priority is to find out wtf happened to my channel numbers

[15:03:04]

sphery:

if it was the mythconverg_backup.pl script, I wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem with the script

[15:03:11]

antgel:

the underscores have predictably caused havoc

[15:03:32]

antgel:

sphery: i see. the script that i didn't know about *blush*

[15:03:35]

sphery:

channel numbers aren't used for anything but display/specifying channel to tune in LiveTV

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sphery:

antgel: for next time: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore :)

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antgel:

sphery: thanks.

[15:04:33]

sphery:

they're probably installed in your /usr/share/mythtv directory

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antgel:

ooh, this is interesting. all the channels that have underscores at the start of their channums are now also marked as invisible

[15:07:19]

antgel:

i have no clue why that happened, all i did was some channel scanning and inserted some "non-conflicting" channels

[15:07:29]

antgel:

did i do something wrong or should i raise a ticket?

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antgel:

paul-h: you just missed my sob story on side-effects of my efforts to get itv hd working (c.f. #mythtv recently)

[15:10:12]

wagnerrp:

anyone on here currently use VIDEO_TS folders with mythvideo?

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gregL:

wagnerrp, I do. I have a bunch of dvds ripped to my video folder.. Is that what you are asking?

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wagnerrp:

im asking if you are specifically using myth's capability to play back VIDEO_TS folders

[15:27:23]

wagnerrp:

not isos, not other single-file rips

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gotmilk82:

I have been running mythtv with a harmony remote for about two years, but now we have directv and I would like to try to use that remote as well. I have tried several google searches without luck, is there a known configuration for using the directv remote to control mythtv?

[15:29:51]

wagnerrp:

specifically, i have a fusefs script working to provide clean access to recordings, similar to how mythrename.pl works

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gotmilk82:

s/as well/instead

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wagnerrp:

i want to do the same thing for mythvideo data

[15:30:11]

wagnerrp:

but i have no idea what the VIDEO_TS stuff looks like on the filesystem or in the database

[15:30:34]

wagnerrp:

as well? if youve got the harmony, why would you want to use the dtv remote?

[15:30:46]

antgel:

on the basis that i know database manipulation is frowned upon etc... i need to delete all channels belonging to a certain source, and re-add them. can i just DELETE FROM channel WHERE sourceid = $whatever; , or is there an easier way? i'd do it in mythweb but it must be around 200 channels and i can't face the pain

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wagnerrp:

antgel: that, and i think the mythweb thing breaks when you have that many channels it is storing data for

[15:32:10]

antgel:

thanks

[15:32:28]

gotmilk82:

harmony is dying a very painful death :( and the directv remote claims to be able to handle AUX1 and AUX2....

[15:33:21]

gregL:

wagnerrp, To answer your question,yes they play from a VIDEO_TS folder.. These are direct rips,no single files like mkv or avi's..

[15:33:22]

wagnerrp:

antgel: understand you will likely break any 'record on this channel' rules you have

[15:34:42]

wagnerrp:

gregL: its a folder of the movie name, with a VIDEO_TS beneath that? also, would you mind running "select * from videometadata where title='<movie name>';" and pastebinning it?

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antgel:

wagnerrp: i thought so, not a big disaster

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gotmilk82:

gregL: sorry, I came in the middle of this one....what are you trying to do?

[15:36:22]

wagnerrp:

gotmilk82: hes not trying to do anything, im just looking for information on how that capability of mythtv works

[15:36:58]

wagnerrp:

specifically how it looks, so i can reproduce it in FUSE

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gotmilk82:

ah, well then, carry on... ;)

[15:39:03]

gregL:

wagnerrp, I am not sure what you are asking for..If you want to point me in the right direction,i would be more than happy to help you..

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wagnerrp:

gregL: i just want to know what it looks like in the filesystem and the database

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wagnerrp:

are the files in the format /<video name>/VIDEO_TS/<dvd stuff> ?

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wagnerrp:

and could you run the above command in 'mysql mythconverg'

[15:47:54]

wagnerrp:

thank you

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mauijoe:

is there any place online that I can find the necessary channel information to input a channel manually?

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smithna:

Hi, anyone get huludesktop to work with lirc? I followed both the README and the wiki to the letter — but can't get my remote to work (it works fine in myth)

[15:53:47]

Dagmar:

Huludesktop is NOT MythTV.

[15:53:51]

Dagmar:

It does not run under Linux.

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Dagmar:

Questions about it are not the problems of this channel.

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[15:55:16]

dustybin:

http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop-linux

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** smithna didn't know he was going to set someone off... **

[15:55:34]

Dagmar:

Ah... It IS available for LInux now

[15:55:40]

Dagmar:

Either way, it's still *not* MythTV

[15:55:52]

wagnerrp:

yeah, they released it a couple weeks ago

[15:56:04]

wagnerrp:

closed source on specific revisions of specific distros

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Dagmar:

amithna: Yet every day I know there will be people asking questions about things completely unrelated to here because they're too lazy to even Google, and every day I know they'll be pissy about being called out on it

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Dagmar:

Ask Hulu why it won't work

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dewman:

what about boxee? LOL....Kidding.... =P

[16:00:46]

Dagmar:

Hulu lost my interest the moment they started talking about a paywall

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smithna:

Dagmar: I asked here because other users have reported success using it (see mailing list) && it's covered by a mythtv wiki page, which suggested that mythtv users have some experience with it.

[16:01:46]

Dagmar:

It's still not MythTV.

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smithna:

True

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Dagmar:

It's a closed-source, commercial project.

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Led-Hed:

anyone know if you can set opengl vsync in xine?

[16:11:03]

Led-Hed:

I get tearing in OpenGL, and XV is very grainy

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** J-e-f-f-A|win is struggling to get FC11 upgrade installed... Apparently the installer doesn't see his hardware raid card as /dev/sda ???confused??? FC8 installed perfectly on it... ugh... **

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gregL:

wagnerrp, I hope this is what you wanted..I had a problem here,sorry it took so long,, http://pastebin.ca/1712447

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Dagmar:

Led-Hed: The very first Google hit on that seems to explain it

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Led-Hed:

Dagmar, I did, can you link me, or give me the search phrase you used.

[16:17:03]

Dagmar:

It may be bugged

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Dagmar:

http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/multi . . . -videos.html

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Dagmar:

"xine vsync"

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wagnerrp:

gregL: and the data is in /video1/Movies/Cell_2/VIDEO_TS/<stuff> ?

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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gregL:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

ok, thanks, all i needed

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gregL:

Glad i could help..

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

Is there a secret password/handshake for someone in #fedora to help? Lots of traffic over there, but I asked a question 15 mins ago and haven't seen a single response... ugh.

[16:37:26]

wagnerrp:

same as in here... ask and wait

[16:38:21]

J-e-f-f-A|win:

Yeah... It's just that I wanted to get my myth box upgraded *today*... that might not be possible if I can't get Fedora to behave... ugh...

[16:38:40]

J-e-f-f-A|win:

Anyone else here use Fedora and an SIL24 raid card?

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like one of those cards that shouldnt be used for RAId

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: I've been using it as a hardware raid1 for the last couple of years on FC8 – but the FC11 install DVD doesn't see the drives on the card... very strange. Google turns up some un-answered questions about the same issue, but no resolution. :-(

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wagnerrp:

ah, raid1... i guess that doesnt really take any grunt

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: Yeah, just staight mirroring... I shutdown my system and pulled one of the drives to proceed with an upgrade from 8 to 11, but 11 doesn't see the drives... :-(

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wagnerrp:

can you add a drive to the mirror after the fact?

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: Yeah, but to re-image it I think I have to do it from the card's bios.

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Dagmar:

Not uaually

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wagnerrp:

install to one disk, get whatever you need to detect the card loaded in FC11, move the drive to the raid, mirror the drive...

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: That's just it – FC11 sees the controller, but for some reason, not the drive(s)... very strange.

[16:43:59]

J-e-f-f-A|win:

Maybe I should try FC12? Humm...

[16:46:15]

J-e-f-f-A|win:

Humm... maybe FC8 -> 11 is too big of a jump? If so, I don't understand why it wouldn't see the /dev/sda drive then...

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wagnerrp:

if youre doing a fresh install, how could it be too big a jump?

[16:48:17]

J-e-f-f-A|win:

ugh... "It is not possible to upgrade directly from Fedora 9 to Fedora 11. To upgrade Fedora 9 to Fedora 11, upgrade to Fedora 10 first." ... so therefore 8->11 is not possible as an upgrade...

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre upgrading

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wagnerrp:

so its just refusing to use the existing FC8 partition

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wagnerrp:

not that it doesnt see it all together

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: I was trying to get away with just an upgrade... Humm...

[16:53:50]

wagnerrp:

huh... mythweb is locking up on the 'Program Detail' page

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: I dunno... I'll try doing the 8 -> 9 -> 10 -> 11 upgrade path and see if the *bleep* hits the fan – if so, I'll flip back to my FC8 install and plan my 'fresh install' plan from there...

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** J-e-f-f-A|win guesses he hadn't realized how long he's been running the same O/S... **

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** J-e-f-f-A|win decides to boot up on FC8 for now... Even with FiOS, the d/ls are gonna take an hour or two... **

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wagnerrp:

you *have* to use the dvd installer?

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wagnerrp:

theres no 'mini-installer' that just has a boot disk and downloads all necessary files on-the-fly?

[17:05:52]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A|win, ah, you _are_ awake ... further comments in pm (to J-e-f-f-A) ... brb

[17:08:13]

J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: Humm... perhaps. I prefer the DVDs though.

[17:08:56]

J-e-f-f-A|win:

wagnerrp: For the frontends, I could live with wiping them and starting over – and I'll probably end up doing that with the backend too... (I like to go to new hardware when doing that though...)

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J-e-f-f-A|win:

Maybe I just need to make a trip to Micro Center tonight and get that new motherboard with 10 SATA ports and eliminate the stupid raid card... But then I'd probably need a new CPU and Memory too... ugh...

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AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: f8->f9 could be a rocky road. :)

[17:34:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: Yeah? Maybe I'll just get a new motherboard and start fresh with 11 or 12...

[17:36:04]

AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: well, if you don't have too much customization invested in it that's prbably the easiest.

[17:36:25]

** AndyCap is hoping rhel/centos 6 will support the hardware I have. **

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J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: The only customization I have to Myth right now is a slightly modified mythlcdserver for 'prettier' lcd recording screens. ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A is off to bring his Son to work... bbl... **

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tim-:

i am still stuggling with my tuners in myth... i have 2 avermedia a180s. they show up fine, /dev/dvb/ shows them both correctly.. but i cant get them to scan right. I am now trying to use dvbscan and get the error "Unable to query frontend status"........ anyone have any ideas?

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AndyCap:

justinh: speaking of a smack for rapidshare: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/blue_ . . . d_microsoft/

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dustybin:

AndyCap: when will RHEL be released?

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dustybin:

*6

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AndyCap:

dustybin: not known yet

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dustybin:

aye ok

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: What I find suspicious about the Blue Destiny thing is that they have nobodies signed

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Dagmar:

I am somewhat suspicious that they didn't just upload their own stuff to RapidShare

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: heh, yeah, that could well be

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wagnerrp:

you found a list of their signed artists?

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wagnerrp:

i cant find anything on that name besides references to the lawsuit

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wagnerrp:

there is a 'Blues Destiny Records', if thats the correct name

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wagnerrp:

and if not, seems rather odd that the two are allowed to co-exist

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mauijoe:

aloha, will running fetch channels from listings give me any additional channels that are in my SD listings but not found by channel scan or dvb-apps?

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wagnerrp:

no, that is for analog channels only

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mauijoe:

Schedule Direct listings

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mauijoe:

thx

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mauijoe:

my problem is CBS affiliate was combined with two other stations. what was my CBS is now being picked up as CBS by dvb-apps but broadcasting local shows

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mauijoe:

trying to figure out how to switch to the new channel. Was 9.1 now 5.1

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mauijoe:

am I at the mercy of the new company?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: re: SD "fetch channels" – I have my antenna pointed one way, and can only get about 1/2 of the channels listed on SD for ATSC because of the direction of my antenna – is that what you mean?

[18:37:59]

mauijoe:

no

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mauijoe:

in October one company bought out three affilate stations and are using the same studio and antenna. I lost my CBS prime time becuase what was CBS at kgmv on 9.1 is now kgmb on 5.1. My channel scans still show 9.1 as CBS when in fact it broadcasts kfve a local channel. Zap2it shows 5.1 and I was hoping that fetch channel listings might find that channel

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mauijoe:

ahh, just realized I turned off 5.1 in SD because it use to be a duplicate of 9.1. lemme see if that helps

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J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: Humm... Only similar issue I had was 7.1 WHDH moving from physical channel 7 to 42, but it stayed 7.1...

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ that might do it. ;-)

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mauijoe:

eventhough SD shows a 5.1, I still cannot scann it

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wagnerrp:

its very likely 5.1 is not actually on channel 5 if thats what youre expecting

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mauijoe:

no, just trying to find it.

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mauijoe:

my CBS still shows kgmv which is actually kfve a local channel

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mauijoe:

has something to do with all three being owned by same company. people on oahu seem to get both while outer islands like maui end up with this mismatch

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mauijoe:

very frustrating

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mauijoe:

any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

not off hand

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J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: I'll switch homes with you. My ATSC reception is rock-solid here in Massachusetts... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A would love to live in Hawaii! ;-) **

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mauijoe:

no thanks J-e-f-f-A

[19:04:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: Awe, come on... it hit a high of 27F today... ;-)

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mauijoe:

I was just happy to get back my OTA last winter, was spoiled from living in NYC

[19:05:11]

** J-e-f-f-A thinks you're spoiled now living in Hawaii... hehehehehe **

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mauijoe:

well kinda, I do get to surf and kitsurf nearly everyday in boardies and a rash gurad. no need for wet suits

[19:06:05]

mauijoe:

kiesurf

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mauijoe:

ughhh kitesurf

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J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: I wonder if tvfool.com or antennaweb.org covers Hawaii...

[19:08:38]

mauijoe:

antenna web shows the same as when digital kicked in in Jan 2009. Doesn't show this current issue. problem is everything comes from honolulu

[19:09:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

try www.tvfool.com

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mauijoe:

trying now

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J-e-f-f-A:

I enterd "maui, HI" and it shows 5.1 as being on physical channel 23 at 290 degrees, and 9.1 on physical channel 22 at 290 degrees also... and an 'adjacent channel warning' for them... humm...

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mauijoe:

i don't even see it for my zip 96793

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J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: Yikes. I guess they consider them to be too far away... humm... when I entered "Maui, HI", it showed 5.1 and 9.1 as being 120 miles away – that's quite a stretch...

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mauijoe:

that's oahu/honolulu

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mauijoe:

this seems to confirm an "outer island" issue

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mauijoe:

will most likely need to try and resolve with the company engineer

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J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: check this out: http://tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

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mauijoe:

that's correct. that's what I get on my channel scan and dvb-apps

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J-e-f-f-A:

mauijoe: Punch in a 500' antenna, and you get more channels... ;-)

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BackLash|TheFly:

Hey, I'm trying to use MythTV but im running into a problem with my tv tuner card (PVR-416) it gets great video quality but there is no audio.

[19:18:42]

mike_hurley_1:

Anybody notice problems with mythvideo resetting metadata for existing files on a file system scan?

[19:18:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: If it's a framegrabber (V4L), you may have to connect an audio input...

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mauijoe:

can you plau audio via aplay?

[19:20:20]

BackLash|TheFly:

mauijoe, you mean do i have audio otherwise?

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mauijoe:

yes, using alsa

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mike_hurley_1:

I had noticed I had typo'd some filenames (ex. The Dark Night) and so I did a manual metadata edit. Scanned for changes and rebooted and the new name stuck. Just today I did a scan for some new files I added and the title got reverted again. Any ideas?

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BackLash|TheFly:

yeah im listening to internet radio on it right now

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BackLash|TheFly:

tv tuner is the only thing without sound

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mauijoe:

did you try outside of myth?

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BackLash|TheFly:

yeah i tried tvtime

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mauijoe:

and?

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BackLash|TheFly:

no sound

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mauijoe:

then you most likely need audio input for your capture card

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mauijoe:

I'm not familiar with the one you are using. I use dvb cards pchdtv

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ctmjr:

BackLash|TheFly: open tvtime then in a terminal run this arecord -D hw:1 -f dat | aplay -f dat

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: I'm afraid that if this site is up-to-date, it's known to not work: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware

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BackLash|TheFly:

i think ive got this figured out...

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BackLash|TheFly:

maybeh

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BackLash|TheFly:

my cable box has r/w out so im gonna try and patch that in

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: Although... according to other messages I'm finding, a patch that "- Cx88: clear EN_I2SIN_ENABLE bit for ASUS PVR-416 to enable audio" was submitted to the V4L/DVB branch in 6/2006 – seems like it would be 'standard' currently (one would think – 3.5yrs later)

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: Not sure if this will help, but perhaps: modprobe -v cx88xx card=12

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: That was gleaned from: http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?action=pr . . . topic=5545.0

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beatbreaker:

i keep getting this error: MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error

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beatbreaker:

when trying to connect, i changed the backends database from localhost to it's IP address and the backend can't find the database on that ip address

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beatbreaker:

halp ploxc

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beatbreaker:

i'm sorry my English isn't very good

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FreakWent:

Ha! I'm *so* happy, I just found out that the problem with dtv-playback is not hardware, it's mythtv! What is it about the m-tv architecture (on mythdora) that would cause this? I'm seeing io use of 56% and system process load of 0.91.

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wagnerrp:

specifically what is your hardware?

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wagnerrp:

processor, graphics card, dvb or atsc?

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BackLash|TheFly:

J-e-f-f-A, a quick scan of modprobe alerted me to having no alsa entry for the card

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: So are you up & working yet? ;-)

[20:03:22]

BackLash|TheFly:

narp not yet about to try that modprobe

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BackLash|TheFly:

but shouldnt it already load the module

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BackLash|TheFly:

0_o

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: It may not have detected/initialized the card/tuner type properly.

[20:06:59]

BackLash|TheFly:

tv tuners combine my 2 least favorite configuratios of linux

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BackLash|TheFly:

video AND audio

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BackLash|TheFly:

-.-

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: I haven't had many issues in that regard – always used well-supported tuner cards. ;-)

[20:08:49]

BackLash|TheFly:

ah well this was one we were lucky enough to have laying around

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FreakWent:

P4 2.4 Ghz, Nvidia ... somethign alright, AGP 128Mb, dvb-t fusion dual tuner pci card.

[20:09:37]

BackLash|TheFly:

mm i want a dual tuner but im not sure how that would work with a cable box (or even at all)

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BackLash|TheFly:

as far as i can tell the tuner card is only ever gonna see whats loaded on the box

[20:10:25]

FreakWent:

tuner is this

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FreakWent:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/products/DVBTdual4.aspx

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FreakWent:

wagnerrp is that enough information?

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wagnerrp:

your hardware is insufficient, its nothing to do with mythtv

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high-rez:

hdhomerun is my favorite device for terrestrial

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wagnerrp:

you can manage standard definition DVB-T recordings with that processor

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to get HD mpeg2 working if you can get XvMC working

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wagnerrp:

you will not get any h264 content working on that system

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wagnerrp:

you simply dont have the power for it

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BackLash|TheFly:

J-e-f-f-A, look http://www.pastebin.ca/1712686

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BackLash|TheFly:

thats my modprobe

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: Looks like it's got 'blackbird' properly – question is what the audio portion should look like. I don't have the same tuner, but had been googling away looking for clues for you...

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high-rez:

try posting your dmesg

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FreakWent:

wagnerrp can you please explain what it is that's the problem? VLC can watch it and record it to disk just fine on that system, what's mythtv doing that makes it so harD?

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: I'm afraid I don't know what it *should* look like for that tuner.

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BackLash|TheFly:

my dmesg eesh.. time to remember another random pastebin number

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beatbreaker:

i keep getting this error: MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error

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BackLash|TheFly:

(the systems in another room)

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beatbreaker:

when trying to get the frontend to talk to the backend

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J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: SSH?

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BackLash|TheFly:

huh... good point

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BackLash|TheFly:

lol

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beatbreaker:

i had this all set up and working before the update and now the update has ruined my install

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rigel:

i was wondering if the onboard video on this machine would be adequate for a mythtv box

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rigel:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=TS-0009E-AMDP901-R

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BackLash|TheFly:

hell for that matter i think ill throw VNC on the box for good measure

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rigel:

or should i spend an extra $50 and get a better video card

[20:19:48]

FreakWent:

"Building a MythTV system on older / "spare" hardware may be an exercise in frustration and can waste many hours of valuable time."

[20:19:50]

FreakWent:

dammit

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high-rez:

There's no information on there about what type of video card it is.

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J-e-f-f-A:

rigel: Yeah, no info about the video card. But you could probably drop in an Nvidia PCIe card, then you'd be all set.

[20:20:47]

beatbreaker:

i keep getting this error: MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error

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beatbreaker:

when trying to get the frontend to talk to the backend

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J-e-f-f-A:

beatbreaker: now many times are you going to repeat yourself in 2 minutes? If somebody knows the answer, they'll reply.

[20:21:32]

BackLash|TheFly:

lol, sorry front end backend talk is challenging my maturity :D

[20:21:40]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A, you mentioned earlier that you'd made a few changes to the layout of mythlcd ... any pics/description?

[20:21:47]

mzb:

(always looking to improve;))

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb Yeah, I think I took a pic months ago when I did it... I don't think I ever 'ported' my changes to 0.22 though – let me check...

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beatbreaker:

BackLash|TheFly, i'm sorry my english is not so good, linux is difficult for non english speaker

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beatbreaker:

its very hard to get help

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FreakWent:

With DVB, what's happening under the bonnet? Is the system decoding the video then re-encoding in a differnet format? Why can't it just spool to disk int he digital format it's broadcast in, MPEG-2? How can I set compromises in video quality or other areas so the thing will just work? Can I disable the liveTV pause/rewind functions and just do scheduled recordings and watch a channel with no instant buffer? So many q

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FreakWent:

uestions...

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beatbreaker:

maybe there is much ignorant people i don't know

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BackLash|TheFly:

oh no you didnt do anything wrong i was just laughing at frontend and backend because they sound dirty. "I want my frontend to talk to her backend" "thats what she said" stuff like that

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/

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high-rez:

FreakWent: Myth doesn't transcode video unless you tell it to. It stores in the original format.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: DVB gets sent straight to disk as-is. Your system will be capable of being a backend, but would struggle, or not work well at all as a frontend, especially if the files are not MPEG2.

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FreakWent:

I'm a little confused about *why*, what's happening that needs so much CPU. DVD's are fine, movies from disk are fine, *only* watching tV ius no good.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: So, added "R E C" to the left side of the bigclock, and changed how the recording screen looks to better suit a 20x4 display.

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BackLash|TheFly:

OH yes right my dmesg

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J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: Ok, Watching TV in Myth Dumps to disk 1st, then plays back from disk.

[20:26:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: Watching with VLC does not dump to disk first, just decodes and displays in memory.

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high-rez:

FreakWent: Its very simple, HD dvb has a higher bit rate than DVD. The format can also be different (h264 vs mpeg2).

[20:26:14]

FreakWent:

can this be adjusted so that watching TV is jsut watching TV, without the buffering?

[20:26:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: Everything in MythTV is recorded – even LiveTV.

[20:26:31]

FreakWent:

So perhaps I'll have more luck with std def channels?

[20:27:04]

high-rez:

jeff: Actually I think the frontend gets it from the ring buffer at the same time that it's written to disk, so disk IO shouldn't block watching livetv.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: If they're MPEG2, yeah.

[20:27:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: I don't think there's a ringbuffer anymore, is there?

[20:27:46]

FreakWent:

If I used a " AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+" would you expect the problem to vanish?

[20:27:46]

high-rez:

jeff: I don't know, I could just be talking without a clue ;)

[20:28:16]

Dibblah:

Ah. You're here already :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: I would think so. And an Nvidia 8000/9000+ card wouldn't hurt either. ;-)

[20:29:01]

BackLash|TheFly:

http://pastebin.ca/1712692

[20:29:06]

moodboom:

hey all, anybody know of a way to scan for new music/videos in the background in a cron job?

[20:29:07]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A, I've added date to the big clock ... looking for something else (of interest) to put on left

[20:29:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: If your recordings are MPEG4 or h.264, you'll either need a really beefy cpu to decode HD, or use a VDPAU-capable NVidia card.

[20:30:42]

** high-rez does HD h264 on an intel atom :) **

[20:30:50]

FreakWent:

thanks guys!

[20:30:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Since I use it on my Backend, I wanted to see if anything was recording, even if the 'bigclock' was being shown. If we could define custom characters, I'd do something like inverse "1" "2" "3" "4", etc, one for each tuner to indicate recording, etc.

[20:31:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: With an ION chipset I'm sure, you cheater! ;-)

[20:31:19]

high-rez:

Of course ;)

[20:31:22]

BackLash|TheFly:

hmmmm interesting the board doesnt appear to think it has firmware

[20:31:27]

high-rez:

I love my ionitx

[20:31:43]

BackLash|TheFly:

how can the board not have firmware roar

[20:32:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: Ah... "dmesg |grep firmware" showing failure(s)??? ;-)

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FreakWent:

GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM) any good?

[20:32:41]

high-rez:

no

[20:32:52]

high-rez:

avoid 6000 and 7000 series

[20:33:11]

high-rez:

I don't believe they support XvMC or VDPAU.

[20:33:16]

FreakWent:

dammit more cash.

[20:33:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: Go for an 8400 or better, preferrably a 9000-series card for VDPAU capability.

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high-rez:

5000 series does mpeg2 via XvMC well.

[20:33:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

FreakWent: You can find 8400's and 8600's for around $20/$30 here in the US...

[20:33:59]

high-rez:

Heh, I have a couple of 9400's just laying around gathering dust.

[20:34:02]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A, custom char idea would be ok (even if at lcdproc level) ... except that I've not got any spare chars left ;)

[20:34:24]

FreakWent:

lol chaep!

[20:34:27]

FreakWent:

ASUS 9400GT 512M PCIe Video Card $59

[20:34:35]

FreakWent:

high-rez gonna post me one?

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high-rez:

No chance

[20:34:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Yeah... true... But a nice tuner-status page would be wicked cool with custom characters...

[20:34:44]

mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . t_result.jpg

[20:34:52]

BackLash|TheFly:

lol ive got a x300SE in mine

[20:34:56]

BackLash|TheFly:

>_<

[20:34:59]

mzb:

ah, a separate screen? ... that's another matter ;)

[20:35:05]

FreakWent:

Go ahn... I'll swap you for a Tseng ET4000, they are the business!

[20:35:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Very nice. You've got room for "R E C" on the left side... ;-)

[20:36:01]

** high-rez kicks jeff **

[20:36:07]

BackLash|TheFly:

so the next question is .. why dont i have firmware

[20:36:34]

Greek-Boy:

anyone here ever experience a problem where avi files don't play off MythVideo? If I press the "right --->" key on the keyboard it shows fast forwarding through the video but it doesn't play :-(

[20:36:47]

Greek-Boy:

HD MKV's play just fine

[20:37:03]

mzb:

hmm, perhaps room for "REC" ;) ... not sure how useful that is, though

[20:37:54]

mzb:

BackLash|TheFly, probably depends on your distro/sources/packaging/kernel/etc

[20:39:59]

BackLash|TheFly:

im reading the mythwiki :O

[20:40:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: google for the file that it says it's trying to load, then download it and put it in /lib/firmware (or /lib64/firmware if running 64-bit), and try again...

[20:41:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

BackLash|TheFly: It should then give you a 'firmware successfully loaded' message instead of an error. ;-) (I don't recall if you can just get away with a modprobe or ahve to reboot at that point... hehehehe)

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BackLash|TheFly:

i aparantly need to install firmware

[20:42:12]

BackLash|TheFly:

so sayith the mythwiki

[20:42:26]

BackLash|TheFly:

x_x i hate youo conexant

[20:42:40]

mzb:

eg: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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mzb:

or even $ wget http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz

[20:43:48]

mzb:

oops, not found ;)

[20:43:55]

BackLash|TheFly:

:/

[20:44:35]

mzb:

http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/

[20:44:54]

BackLash|TheFly:

why would you make a card that needs firmware loaded every time the card.. havnt these people heard of flash

[20:45:28]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A, oh, I SEE => "R\nE\nC"

[20:46:33]

mzb:

might do air-temp and rainfall instead ;)

[20:47:55]

mzb:

hmm @ "solid horizontal bar capability"

[20:47:59]

mzb:

*sigh*

[20:48:15]

mzb:

ah well, can't see it from here ;)

[20:48:27]

mzb:

(the gaps, that is)

[20:49:14]

mzb:

reminds me I've got to make myself a "normal" rain guage to calibrate the tipper ;)

[20:49:41]

mzb:

"about" 0.09mm needs improvement ;)

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hpbox:

anyone have the haugepauge 2250 ? I'm not sure if I'm getting all of the channels or not

[20:54:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: yeah... Did you look at my pics? ;-)

[20:55:20]

mzb:

yes ... forgot I'd seen them before

[20:55:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Yeah, that's a CrystalFontz display – no vertical bars between characters, so it can do 'solid' horizontal bars. A little bit odd, but cool.

[20:55:59]

mzb:

hmm

[20:56:12]

mzb:

still not reverse blue ;) (my fav)

[20:56:17]

mzb:

ah well

[20:56:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: The same reason I can do this: http://localhost/files/CF634_boot.jpg

[20:56:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

oops, make that:

[20:56:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634_boot.jpg

[20:56:45]

mzb:

hehe

[20:57:05]

mzb:

ah

[20:57:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

With no vertical bars, the custom characters can be 6 pixels wide, thus touching each-other. Pretty cool, eh?

[20:57:55]

mzb:

definitely

[20:58:23]

mzb:

I'd have tried harder with mine, but I started have problems with my (hack of a) serial programmer ... so I stopped before I blew everything up ;)

[20:58:59]

mzb:

ie: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . b_splash.jpg

[20:59:30]

mzb:

would have like to see some movement in it ... even some smooth scrolling

[20:59:38]

mzb:

s/liked

[20:59:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Yeah, that's pretty cool for a HD44780 display. ;-) About all you can do with only 8 custom characters...

[21:00:07]

mzb:

looks a bit like crazy writing from a difference, but it works

[21:00:50]

mzb:

s/distance

[21:01:04]

mzb:

hmm, caffeine withdrawal? :)

[21:01:10]

wagnerrp:

FreakWent: its got nothing to do with the recording necessary of a DVR (unless youre using a PAL framegrabber)

[21:01:16]

mzb:

almost time to feed #2

[21:01:52]

wagnerrp:

the issue is one of bitrate, that processor is probably only going to manage maybe 12mbps mpeg2 on its own

[21:02:09]

wagnerrp:

now thats certainly enough for standard definition DVDs and DVB recordings

[21:02:38]

wagnerrp:

but when you get up to HD bitrates, and even worse with interlaced content, the chip just wont do it on its own

[21:02:42]

** BackLash|TheFly writes hatemail to conexant **

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J-e-f-f-A:

WT***?!? Dang it – I was working on one of my frontends via SSH (updating to 0.22-fixes), and my wife turned it off... dumbarse.... ugh

[21:14:09]

wagnerrp:

you have a big thumb?

[21:15:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

The thing is – I *TOLD* her that I was going to be updating it, and not to try to use it... but she decided to schedule a program, and didn't see the frontend, so figured she'd reboot it... ugh...

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wagnerrp:

i presume she hit the power button?

[21:18:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, so my ssh session got a prompt "The system is going down for system halt NOW!" .... Ugh... At least it shut down clean...

[21:18:59]

wagnerrp:

write a wrapper script that check to make sure no one else is using it

[21:19:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

I should have changed the desktop wallpaper to "DON'T TOUCH THIS COMPUTER!!!" ;-)

[21:19:14]

wagnerrp:

if theres more than the single mythtv user, do nothing

[21:19:23]

wagnerrp:

or run a 60s shutdown timer instead

[21:19:30]

wagnerrp:

something the logged in user can terminate

[21:19:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Normally it wouldn't be an issue... but I guess she didn't think that I'd be updating it remotely from the basment...

[21:19:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

'basement' even... ;-)

[21:20:16]

wagnerrp:

its less of a problem for me, considering the frontend is in the basement

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_charly_:

maybe you should write a big "do not turn off" on the screen next time

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J-e-f-f-A:

_charly_: Hehe... Yeah, I already said that... Next time, I'll tape a note to the front of the computer saying "don't touch – updating!!!"

[21:22:21]

wagnerrp:

you could also just not run updates on that machine

[21:22:43]

wagnerrp:

i make changes on my boot server, and push them out to the frontends

[21:23:15]

clever:

wagnerrp: ive recently played with booting from a tmpfs

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clever:

wagnerrp: its bloody fast and lets me easily update the source without harming things that are already running

[21:24:17]

wagnerrp:

nothing temporary about it

[21:24:29]

wagnerrp:

i just have a base image for those machines

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wagnerrp:

that i keep maintained

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clever:

i supose i could even do it over the network, id just need a staticly linked tftp client

[21:25:00]

wagnerrp:

and to update the other ones, i make a duplicate of the image, copy a set of files on top of it, and boot

[21:25:17]

clever:

my initrd will unpack a .tar file into a tmpfs

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wagnerrp:

kind of like a crude unionfs

[21:25:22]

clever:

and then use that tmpfs as root

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clever:

ive been thinking of adding union to not loose things, but mythtv doesnt store much localy

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I'd love to get to that level... but haven't had the time to spend on it in the last few years. (As I get older, time seems to accelerate...)

[21:27:08]

wagnerrp:

i have set up in the shutdown script to backup the theme cache

[21:27:16]

wagnerrp:

just so i dont have to regenerate all kinds of artwork

[21:27:48]

wagnerrp:

although that means starting over requires copying several hundred MB of data

[21:27:52]

wagnerrp:

takes a bit

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clever:

right now, mine is set to nfs mount /home/

[21:28:08]

clever:

so the theme cache would be kept

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clever:

but its far from done

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clever:

i dont even have myth compiled on there yet

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maddslacker:

is there a command that I can map to with the dvd button on my MCE remote to go to the optical disk menu?

[21:44:02]

wagnerrp:

check out 'jumppoints'

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wagnerrp:

they have no default key mapping

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maddslacker:

thanks

[21:44:29]

wagnerrp:

so you have to map them to a keyboard key in mythtv, and then map that key to your remote in lircrc

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maddslacker:

yeah, I'm already familiar with lircrc and irw

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maddslacker:

the keybinfind was what I was missing

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Dagmar:

Lol. Silly email admin

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maddslacker:

wagnerrp, found it...thanks

[21:49:07]

Dagmar:

"Threatening" to call his boss becuase I've been calling him three times an hour, basically every time his email server malfunctions

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wagnerrp:

wait... he is threatening you that he will call his boss? when he fails to do his job?

[21:49:59]

wagnerrp:

isnt it usually the other way around?

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Dagmar:

His boss is over my boss

[21:50:50]

Dagmar:

His boss and my boss are _always_ in agreement on this kidn of issue

[21:51:05]

Dagmar:

If stuff alarms and we don't call, we can get chewed out.

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BackLash|TheFly:

i am still soundless

[21:51:34]

Dagmar:

It's not our fault if our admins occasionally suffer from being too lazy to make sure their equipment meets the perfomance metrics they're supposed to.

[21:52:06]

Dagmar:

If I gotta sit here and listen to Nagios chirp every 20 minutes, I'm going to amek someoen else listen to their phone ring every 20 minutes

[21:52:26]

Dagmar:

The only problem is that I can't exactly suggest up front "call your boss and get him to sign off on changing the freaking monitoring metric"

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BackLash|TheFly:

http://pastebin.ca/1712765 <-- my dmesg

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dustybin:

can mythtv backend run ok on a VM using VMware esxi ?

[22:07:09]

wagnerrp:

no

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dustybin:

aye ok

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BackLash|TheFly:

i dont know why my audio on my tuner wont work

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BackLash|TheFly:

im gonna cry :/

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[R]:

well it could

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[R]:

as long as you dont want to do hardware accesses

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J-e-f-f-A:

as in only a network tuner such as a HD-HomeRun will work?

[22:15:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah crap... didn't have new enough Nvidia drivers on my backend to compile 0.22-fixes... Sorting that out now... hehehehe

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BackLash|TheFly:

-headscratch-

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeay... back on track. ;-)

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Led_Hed:

anyone here gotten hulu desktop working with MiniMyth?

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Elv1313:

What is the best way to watch recordning on my iPhone? (free if possible)

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Greek-Boy:

what is the best way to watch avi's from mythvideo? Internal player or mplayer?

[22:50:11]

wagnerrp:

internal

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Greek-Boy:

but i dont get audio on avi files

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Greek-Boy:

:-(

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Greek-Boy:

MKV files work just fine

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Elv1313:

install the right codec

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Greek-Boy:

which is the right codec?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use external codecs that could be installed

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Greek-Boy:

well i'm guessing these files audio is ac3

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Greek-Boy:

which shouldn't be a problem by default

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wagnerrp:

Elv1313: mythweb has flash streaming and an ipod profile that you should be able to use

[22:52:02]

wagnerrp:

there is some mythtv iphone app that i believe accesses the backend directly

[22:52:34]

wagnerrp:

and theres mythbuntu's mythexport and numerous other export scripts available for transcoding content for the iphone

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Elv1313:

wagnerrp: I can find any "play" button in mythweb iphone UI

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: you may be having some problem with passthrough of digital audio

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Elv1313:

and iPhone does not support flash anyway

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: ok i'll look into it more

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Greek-Boy:

mplayer -fs -zoom -afm hwac3 -quiet -vo xv %s

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Greek-Boy:

oops sorry

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clever:

+ svn checkout -r 22859 http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv mythtv

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clever:

svn: Unrecognized URL scheme for 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv'

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clever:

:S, cant dl myth!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: if the data command for TV shows takes an inetref, shouldnt the season/episode search?

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clever:

ah nvm, webdav is disabled

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Greek-Boy:

what is the most efficient way of being able to watch channels from multiple dishes / watch or record from other dishes at the same time. Have a diseqc switch for each tuner card?

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[R]:

Greek-Boy: isn't that the only way?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ??

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wagnerrp:

on the wiki, the grabber script format

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wagnerrp:

'-D' was changed to take an inetref, but '-N' still takes a title

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, -N is title/subtitle

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iamlindoro:

Which is why you feed it... title and subtitle

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Greek-Boy:

[R]: I don't know. I thought you need multiple tuner cards for each sat but it turns out I was wrong

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[R]:

you need 1 tuner per thing you want to watch

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[R]:

well its 1 tuner per multiplex you want to watch

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Greek-Boy:

what I'm basically trying to achieve is having up to four people being in the house being able to watch four different channels...

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[R]:

then you need 4 tuners

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Greek-Boy:

well that's ok

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Greek-Boy:

I have four DVB-S2 tuners :-)

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Greek-Boy:

how does the diseqc switch know which channel to display? Does it mythtv signal it?

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[R]:

yup

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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[R]:

although diseqc doesn't select channels

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[R]:

it selects dishes

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Greek-Boy:

so instead of naming the inputs according to the sat dishes, you would have to label them diseqc-1, diseqc-2, etc...

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Greek-Boy:

instead of intelsat, telstart, sky, etc

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[R]:

you can name thinhgs whatever you want

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Greek-Boy:

but each different person would have to stick to his own input

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Greek-Boy:

eg, i take diseqc-1, my gf takes diseqc-2...

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[R]:

myth seelcts inputs for you

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Greek-Boy:

oh yeah

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Greek-Boy:

thats right

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Elv1313:

Someone have mythtv iPod recordning working in 0.21?

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clever:

you just tell it what channel you want, and it picks whatever is free

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Greek-Boy:

free means its not recording and there is no one watching?

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clever:

if you dont count multirec, then yes

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clever:

multirec and multiplex's complicate things a bit more

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clever:

even if the card is in use, you can still use it a 2nd time, if you want the same multiplex

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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clever:

so 1 card could record ~8 channels at once, if they where all on the same multiplex

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clever:

if you want a different multiplex, it has to find a 2nd card that is either totaly free, or on the multiplex you want

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Greek-Boy:

interesting

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Greek-Boy:

can u explain multiplexes more?

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Greek-Boy:

ofcourse a multiplex comees from the same sattelite feed

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clever:

i'm mostly going by what ive learned from watching this channel

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Greek-Boy:

i am assuming same polarization also

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clever:

ive never even used digital tv until yesterday

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clever:

a multiplex is basicaly a single freq with a digital stream, which can contain many logicaly seperate channels

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clever:

the only unencrypted digital channels i can get, seem to be 480i versions of various analog channels

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clever:

but because of the compression, they can fit several of those on a single freq, and get more channels overall on the wire

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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Greek-Boy:

well I have four dishes

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Greek-Boy:

2 of which will have HD chans

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BackLash|TheFly:

omg someone HAS to know how to get the audio working on my PVR-416 its the last problem

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Dagmar:

yep. They probably documented it on the wiki already.

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Dagmar:

They might have even talked about it over at LinuxQuestions.

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BackLash|TheFly:

what the heck else could it need :/

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Dagmar:

Teh Goog kn0z

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jst:

does anyone here have an acer revo (AR1600-U910H)?

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jst:

i know it has a minipci slot, but i'm not sure if it has an antenna prewired or not

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wagnerrp:

antenna for what?

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jst:

for a wireless card

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wagnerrp:

surely youre not going to attempt wireless

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Greek-Boy:

i have MKV files integrated with subtitles but when i push "t" in mythvideo it says no captions

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jst:

wagnerrp: i don't have a choice

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wagnerrp:

theres always a choice

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FreakWent:

wireless is a lot slower

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FreakWent:

in genereal

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wagnerrp:

more importantly, it is not stable

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wagnerrp:

even under the best of conditions, you will have dropouts

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jst:

wagnerrp: good, then maybe you can ask my landlord if he'll pay for me to run CAT5 from the 3rd story to the basement

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jst:

yeah, i know

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jst:

i'm already using wireless with mythtv just fine

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jst:

i'd prefer ethernet, obviously, but it's not feasible

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Elv1313:

Where are ".nuv" file strored? I a page about iphone say they exist in the wiki

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Dagmar:

jst: Does the building have central heat and air?

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wagnerrp:

you can actually run wireless across three floors?

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jst:

Dagmar: yes

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Assuming it's not metal-framed, yes

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wagnerrp:

drop a line out a window, drop a line down a bit of ductwork

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Dagmar:

jst: How are the air vents looking

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wagnerrp:

Elv1313: unless you have a framegrabber, you will not have nuvs

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jst:

clean?

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Dagmar:

It might be violating some code or other tho

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wagnerrp:

and all recordings will be where you told mythtv to put them

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Dagmar:

Codes be damned, I have ethernet going up a wall and through an air duct at the apt. just to avoid boring a hole through the wall

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wagnerrp:

if got four lines up to my office run through the ductwork

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wagnerrp:

another three dropped along a gap along side the ductwork

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Dagmar:

Yeah outside the ducts are probably okay

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Dagmar:

I have this feeling they might consider wires with flammable coatings run inside a duct to be a fire continuation hazard

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Elv1313:

wagnerrp: I found some in /var/lib/mythtv/livetv

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wagnerrp:

just dropped a plumbbob down to the basement, pulled the lines back up

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Dagmar:

lol

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Elv1313:

wagnerrp: But I don't really understand the step to watch show on my iphone

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wagnerrp:

Elv1313: then thats where you told mythtv to store them

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Dagmar:

I'd have just dropped the loose end of the lines down. ;)

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Greek-Boy:

seems like the internal player only supports external sub titles by .srt files

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: cant be trusted not to snag on something on the way down

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Elv1313:

wagnerrp: I try to do that http://mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone, but there is not even output in that script

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Elv1313:

how can it work? currently, it don't

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: that and bitmapped subs

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Dagmar:

You can't fight the Law of gravity so you might as well learn to work within it

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wagnerrp:

Elv1313: dont know what to tell you, never used it

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Elv1313:

k

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Elv1313:

wagnerrp: but where should those files stored once encoded, do you have an idea?

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: i mean theres no way i could thread an ethernet cable through an inch wide gap in the floor one floor down

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Greek-Boy:

to be honest i dont know what bitmapped subs are. I know internal subtitles like in MKV doesn't work. Hopefully it will soon :-)

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wagnerrp:

Elv1313: wherever the script tells it to

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wagnerrp:

bitmapped subs are the only kind of sub you will find distributed legitimately

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Elv1313:

wagnerrp: it does not save them, it send them directly in /dev/null, it just can't work

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wagnerrp:

well... that and VBI closed captioning

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wagnerrp:

DVD subs, digital broadcast subs, theyre all just pre-rendered images displayed on top of the video

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wagnerrp:

it obviously doesnt send the video to /dev/null

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