Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, December 21st, 2009, 00:00 AST

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Michielb:

does it support Hi-def audio?

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[R]:

"it"?

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[R]:

and what is "hi-def" audio

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Michielb:

mythtv, as in digital audio

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[R]:

of course myth supports digital audio

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Michielb:

thnks

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wagnerrp:

specifically, 'high definition' audio refers to EAC3, DTS-HD, and other formats newly found on bluray and hddvd

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defaultro:

wagnerrp, speaking of bluray, I just got Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds, Live At Radio City. What an awesome sound! :)

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wagnerrp:

well, thats a matter of opinion

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sphery:

and high-definition audio is far less grainy looking than standard definition audio, so it gives the picture /much/ more definition

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wagnerrp:

would that be the acoustic picture?

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sphery:

(wouldn't "high-compression audio" have been a better name for it?)

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defaultro:

wagnerrp, was that question directed for me?

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wagnerrp:

no, that was a statement

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sphery:

was directed at my off-topic comment

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defaultro:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

oh, sphery's comment about HD audio giving more picture definition

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sphery:

I have a serious dislike of things that are not high-definition being called high-definition

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wagnerrp:

well it *can* be high definition

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sphery:

basically, the HD audio formats are designed to increase quality at a given bitrate compared to legacy audio formats

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sphery:

so can low-definition ones

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wagnerrp:

i think they support up to 24-bit, 96khz

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wagnerrp:

all reruns tomorrow.. and not reruns i need to pick up

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if that makes tonight a good night for an update

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im a hundred revs and 4 protocol bumps off head

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durdenn:

hi all, kinda OT question, but maybe someone can help. i got a radeon x300 connected to a LG 50PC3D tv (720p w/ 1366x768 native).. problem is, connecting PC via HDMI or VGA, res maxes out at 1024x768.. connecting my xbox 360 etc, i get the 720p or 1080i res

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durdenn:

is there a way to have my PC output a higher res? some of my recordings dont look as good as they do when i output via xbox 360

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pat_:

no, there is not possible way. give up now

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wagnerrp:

thats more of a distro issue

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wagnerrp:

you have the proper ATI drivers loaded?

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durdenn:

believe so.. also, same issue in windows xp or 7

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durdenn:

im using ubuntu as my linux distro

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durdenn:

figured it would be more of a question to ask in #ubuntu or #windows etc but hoped someone here had a similar experience and was able to fix it

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wagnerrp:

people in here avoid ATI like the plague

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Yeah, you can use different representations, but EAC-3 or DTS-HD at lower sampling rates and lower bits per sample is still considered "high definition". It's akin to calling 480i digital TV "high definition" because you're broadcasting it in an ATSC format rather than NTSC (which, incidentally, you can't do--they actually limit the use of HDTV to refer to 720p or above in the US).

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sphery:

they should do the same with the "HD" audio formats

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sphery:

and HD radio and ...

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wagnerrp:

what about the 480i upscaled to 1080i

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wagnerrp:

i love that!

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sphery:

yeah... that's a good point

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sphery:

I don't know that they have a rule to cover that one (though they should)

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wagnerrp:

fancy, 'hd radio' uses a proprietary format

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wagnerrp:

HDC, whatever the hell that is

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sphery:

Of course--like we could use a standard that the rest of the world is using... After all, NIH rules the US.

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sphery:

(and I don't mean the "National Institutes of Health")

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wagnerrp:

theyre pushing to provide encrypted subscription services over HD radio

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wagnerrp:

considering theres no such thing in TV, i doubt (hope) the fcc wont allow it on radio either

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wagnerrp:

i really wonder what the market for such a thing would be

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of anyone who listens to the radio outside of their car

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sphery:

wow, hadn't heard of that

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wagnerrp:

and thats only those people who dont otherwise have satellite radio and/or mp3 player

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sphery:

yeah, at home I've stopped using FM radio and use Internet radio because FM is so full of ads and talk

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wagnerrp:

http://www.rwonline.com/article/6820

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wagnerrp:

although thats over 2 years old

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mazda01:

mythtv-status is failing to use /etc/default/mythtv-status file because when I run mythtv-status on this machine it tries to query the localhost versus reading the conf file which says to tell me status of master backend. any thoughts?

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wagnerrp:

open it up and figure out why?

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mazda01:

open what up?

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** sphery wonders why so many are enamored with an /etc/issue that's updated with mythtv status **

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sphery:

mazda01: open the mythtv-status script

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sphery:

that's not a part of MythTV

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sphery:

that's a 3rd party script that's distributed by some distros by default

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mazda01:

sphery, ok. it says this: Config::Auto::parse("mythtv-status.yml",

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mazda01:

sphery, whats weird is that it used to work. i even downlaoded the latest one from a debain testing website

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wagnerrp:

helps to know perl... im still trying to figure out how GetOptions is called

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sphery:

the above was my long-winded approach to trying to say, "I don't know anything about mythtv-status."

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mazda01:

sphery, ok, sorry

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sphery:

no problem... I just don't know anything about it, so I won't be much help

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mazda01:

i suppose I can just change the hard coded in setting for host to check but it's first suppose to read a conf file.

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wagnerrp:

arguably such a program is broken

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wagnerrp:

as it should fine the backend through the perl bindings

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sphery:

last I looked, it used the perl bindings for some stuff and used the xml status page for other

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sphery:

and possibly direct DB access for other

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sphery:

I completely agree it's broken

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sphery:

I'd love for someone to rewrite it to use the Python bindings

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sphery:

(which would also likely be a wonderful thing for *buntu--who distribute the script)

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wagnerrp:

i see no 'use MythTV::Whatever' in the script

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sphery:

and, when rewriting it to use the Python bindings, do it properly

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wagnerrp:

sphery: pushing support over on me eh?

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sphery:

heh, not necessarily you

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sphery:

but since you did all the hard work to make the Python bindings orders of magnitude better than the perl bindings...

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mazda01:

after hard coding in host IP, now works.

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sphery:

someone should go to the trouble of taking advantage of your hard work

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wagnerrp:

nah, the current bindings are crap

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wagnerrp:

all the old bindings plus a bunch of backend functions

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sphery:

yeah, we have to get your updated one in there

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wagnerrp:

i should start pushing to get the new ones committed

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sphery:

but at least the curernt ones are a basis for scripts

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wagnerrp:

yeah, theres the problem

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wagnerrp:

maybe send an email to the list, try to find any and all current uses of the bindings

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sphery:

molly-guard?

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wagnerrp:

and i need to get the new channel creation stuff in for RDV

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wagnerrp:

never heard it termed that before

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wagnerrp:

i always just thought it was the standard cover for an OS switch

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sphery:

yeah, I'm guessing it's a SO who might try to shut down a system at the wrong time (or maybe the author)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: apparently the toddler daughter of a programmer on the old IBM 4341 mainframe

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sphery:

you're right about the complete lack of use of bindings

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wagnerrp:

who tripped the switch twice in one day

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bsterne:

anyone know how to switch aspect ratio during video playback using the Internal Player?

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sphery:

I'm 99% positive there was a little bit in there at one time

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well thats the problem

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sphery:

I'll bet he removed it

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wagnerrp:

its not a lack of use

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[R]:

bsterne: its in the menu

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wagnerrp:

its just completely undocumented use

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sphery:

lack of use of Perl bindings in mythtv-status

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sphery:

is what I meant

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wagnerrp:

RDV uses them, mythbuntu uses a bit

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wagnerrp:

oh

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bsterne:

[R]: thanks, that's what I figured, but I can't find out how to even bring up the menu :-(

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wagnerrp:

but once a week or so, i end up fielding support for something with the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

some program i have no awareness of

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bsterne:

just switched to Internal after using xine for a while, and can't find any docs for shortcuts in the internal player

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[R]:

bsterne: with the m key

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bsterne:

[R]: k, thanks a lot

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wagnerrp:

bsterne: shortcuts?

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[R]:

bsterne: the "edit keys" menu...

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bsterne:

actually m toggles mute for me

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wagnerrp:

the 'Internal' player is just that, myths internal media player

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sphery:

bsterne: MENU, page down, Adjust Fill

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wagnerrp:

it functions exactly the same as it does in Recordings

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sphery:

you're not scrolling through them, likely

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wagnerrp:

'w' should do it directly

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sphery:

bsterne: shortcuts are defined/documented in MythControls on your running frontend (Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys)

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bsterne:

thanks, sphery I'll take a look there

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[R]:

it says its flagging at 58 fps

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[R]:

is that slow?

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wagnerrp:

720p or 1080i? what codec? what bitrate? what processor?

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[R]:

its h264 max bitrate from the hdpvr

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[R]:

i dont knwo if its 720 or 1080

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wagnerrp:

thats damned impressive either way

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[R]:

my crappy celeron 3ghz

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wagnerrp:

thats damned impossible

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wagnerrp:

something is wrong

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

it says 11% @ 57 fps

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[R]:

in mythweb

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[R]:

its pegging my cpu and the system is other wise idle

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wagnerrp:

it should probably be going under half that speed

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[R]:

is it lying to me?

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wagnerrp:

not sure whats going on

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wagnerrp:

but a celeron is not running real time decoding of 13mbps h264

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wagnerrp:

much less doing comm flagging at the same time

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[R]:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 30-_-Product

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[R]:

what's up with that

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[R]:

it says its "no longer available"

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wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you

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wagnerrp:

the web store has it

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wagnerrp:

amazon is out of stock

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wagnerrp:

frys is in-store only

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wagnerrp:

buy.com is out of stock

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wagnerrp:

seems to be in stock at dell

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[R]:

grrr... backend has been running flawlessly for a while

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[R]:

and i reboot it

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[R]:

and it all goes to shit

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wagnerrp:

serves you right

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wagnerrp:

no touchy

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i need to swap out my dvr for a regular cable box

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[R]:

and i hope firewire works on it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, HDPVR is out of stock all over the place

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wagnerrp:

not sure what is going on

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wagnerrp:

!seen mkrufky

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MythLogBot:

mkrufky was last seen 39 days 7 hours 16 minutes 40 seconds ago

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[R]:

i had these grand plans to build a circuit with a PIC microcontroller that would turn on my frontend

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[R]:

and i never finished writing the code

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wagnerrp:

interfaced to what?

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wagnerrp:

ethernet? ir? x10?

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wagnerrp:

depending on your board, you can likely just pick up the proper remote control to do so

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[R]:

the plan was to have an ir sensor that would goto the pic, then when the pic detectged the power button, it would toggle the power switch

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wagnerrp:

ive got my spare frontend booting off my IR remote

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[R]:

well i have a crappy usb ir sensor plugged into my ionitx

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wagnerrp:

well ive got a usb sensor too

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[R]:

but it doesnt have a key that does the wake up key

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wagnerrp:

although ive heard the older zotac boards dont have WO-USB

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[R]:

the "power" button on this sends like ctrl f5 or something stupid like that

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wagnerrp:

theyre lacking 5VSB support

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[R]:

well my usb sensor lights up when its "off"

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[R]:

so i think thats agood sign

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[R]:

but doing it with a PIC microcontroller is more fun anyway

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wagnerrp:

http://www.instructables.com/id/S5ZSDO5F3ER7WLX

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wagnerrp:

apparently that little button on there is all you need to program it

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wagnerrp:

press the button, send a code, done

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[R]:

and here i thought i was being original

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[R]:

thats exactly wshat i want to do

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wagnerrp:

wow, fully assembled for $30

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wagnerrp:

pricey

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wagnerrp:

seems you can get the 2-way chip alone for $11

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[R]:

well i ripped an ir reciever off a dvd player

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[R]:

and i can get a PIC for free

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wagnerrp:

time to re-image my two myth boxes... lets hope for better luck than you had

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

this thing i'm reading says wake on usb only works in S3?

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on your motherboard

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wagnerrp:

why are these machine not running...

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[R]:

looks like the ion doesnt doo wake from s5

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wagnerrp:

s/running/rebooting/

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[R]:

i need to try s3 then, and see if wake on usb "just works"

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wagnerrp:

no real reason to shutdown if S3 is an option

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre talking the difference in a couple dollars of power a year

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[R]:

well i'm doing nfs root

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[R]:

i dunno if that'll work with s3

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wagnerrp:

so

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wagnerrp:

nfs will happily log back in when it comes out of standby

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wagnerrp:

guess ill cycle the images, and head down to the basement to see what happened

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bllz:

!myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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bllz:

!myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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Nidhoegger:

my grabber programm is done. is it more appreciated to provide binarys or is it more appreciated to upload sourcecode? (i dont think that much people have the Free Pascal Compiler, so binarys are more comfortable)

[08:19:02]

Nidhoegger:

source code will be available anyways on my homepage

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Dibblah:

Grabber for what?

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Nidhoegger:

yes

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Nidhoegger:

for metadata

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oobe:

i never heard of a binarie grabber

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oobe:

binary even

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Nidhoegger:

ive made one ^^ i am not able to write a script

[08:51:20]

Nidhoegger:

the only scriptlanguages i know are PHP and MSL

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oobe:

i think i saw you talking earlier you made it for german language?

[08:51:55]

Nidhoegger:

yupp

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oobe:

that was fast

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Nidhoegger:

6h or work

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Nidhoegger:

i think thats pretty slow o_O

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oobe:

seems fast to me

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oobe:

to have an idea then create it but i dont have any skills

[08:53:12]

Nidhoegger:

its pretty, ehm, fast written bad sourcecode :D

[08:53:14]

Nidhoegger:

but it works

[08:53:29]

Nidhoegger:

you could make it more performant and the parsing could be a bit better

[08:53:37]

Nidhoegger:

but it recognizes errors, finds all data i want

[08:53:40]

Nidhoegger:

so im happy with it

[08:54:09]

oobe:

ppl could modify you code to make it grab in different languages

[08:54:31]

Nidhoegger:

ofbd just offers german language

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oobe:

i think some grabber scripts already have an option to parse specific languages

[08:54:43]

Nidhoegger:

i know

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oobe:

what site does it grab from

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Nidhoegger:

i am thinking about making it grab from different pages for different languages

[08:54:58]

Nidhoegger:

ofdb.de

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Nidhoegger:

and what im implementing atm is an intelligent search

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oobe:

oh ok

[08:55:27]

Nidhoegger:

it removes some words, if there is no result it tries partial words of the search query and so on

[08:55:53]

Nidhoegger:

because i for example have it with Star Trek IV Der Aufstand, if you query it like that, no result, if you remove the IV you get the result

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oobe:

i see why you cant make it use other languages

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oobe:

http://www.ofdb.de/film/65742,Dr-House

[08:57:25]

Nidhoegger:

like i said, as soon as everything works as i want, i am planning to add more sites, so it will be a multipage grabber

[08:57:46]

oobe:

nice

[08:57:55]

oobe:

are there many german people who use mythtv

[08:58:53]

Nidhoegger:

i dont know

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Dibblah:

... What's wrong with Jamu?

[08:59:02]

Nidhoegger:

dont know

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oobe:

he wants german metadata from a german site

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Nidhoegger:

and i am not able to set jamu up correctly ^^ i think i messed up a lot

[09:00:29]

Nidhoegger:

its my first time mythtv and ive compiled it from sources to make everything on my own

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oobe:

most sites like tvdb and tmdb dont all have complete metadata in non english languages

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Nidhoegger:

and like i said, i want to make an intelligent search

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oobe:

also what i said

[09:02:36]

Nidhoegger:

it seems mythtv doesnt like my programm :D

[09:02:41]

Nidhoegger:

ah it works :D

[09:03:25]

oobe:

using 3rd party grabbers i find i have to restart mythfrontend before the metadata shows up

[09:04:28]

Nidhoegger:

no

[09:04:40]

Nidhoegger:

it just doesnt show up until grabber has quit

[09:04:43]

Nidhoegger:

after you select the move

[09:04:49]

Nidhoegger:

3 more commands are executed

[09:04:58]

Nidhoegger:

it takes its time

[09:05:31]

oobe:

oh ok

[09:05:34]

Nidhoegger:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_Grabber_Script_Format okay, that seems to be only for the trunk version, i have the 0.22, what result must -P give?

[09:06:42]

oobe:

poster

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Nidhoegger:

yeah, but which format?

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oobe:

im not sure what you mean

[09:10:44]

Nidhoegger:

got it

[09:10:47]

Nidhoegger:

just return URL

[09:11:06]

Nidhoegger:

the scripts need a specific returnformat, so mythtv understands the data that the script collected

[09:11:06]

oobe:

but you can for e.g test with perl /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl

[09:11:22]

oobe:

yea

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Nidhoegger:

good

[09:13:17]

Nidhoegger:

all works now ^^

[09:13:23]

Nidhoegger:

too bad ofdb.de has no API

[09:14:30]

Nidhoegger:

is there a command to delete ALL metadata?

[09:15:27]

oobe:

there is an option inside mythvideo with the I key

[09:15:46]

oobe:

scroll down to metadata then reset

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Nidhoegger:

yeah

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Nidhoegger:

but i need to do that with all files *gg*

[09:16:09]

oobe:

yeah i dont know how to do it bulk

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oobe:

but if you have a lot of files in one folder you could move them out of the mythvideo path

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oobe:

then scan for changes then put them back

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Nidhoegger:

ahhh

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Nidhoegger:

thanks!

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: If you want help setting up Jamu I will help although only TVDB support German language queries at the moment.

[09:19:15]

Nidhoegger:

can i set my own program in jamu?

[09:19:24]

Nidhoegger:

i see it working more perfomant than the other querys

[09:19:51]

oobe:

yes jamu is highly configurable

[09:20:06]

oobe:

yuo can tell it to use 3rd party grabbers

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Nidhoegger:

that cool

[09:20:18]

oobe:

but RDV_Linux is the one to talk to about that

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: There is a way to add your own script in Jamu (see in the jamu-example.conf secondary sources) BUT TMDB is always the first sources looked at.

[09:20:48]

Nidhoegger:

my problem with jamu is: i read the wiki article, but somehow in my gentoo install, i muss all the files talked about

[09:20:54]

Nidhoegger:

i have no example file and so on

[09:21:08]

Nidhoegger:

i just have a jamu.conf, which contains no data

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RDV_Linux:

You copy jamu-example.conf to ~/.mythtv/jamu.conf

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Nidhoegger:

i dont have one ;)

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Nidhoegger:

locate jamu-example.conf gives me no results

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RDV_Linux:

the example config file is in the same directory as jamu.py

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Nidhoegger:

ahhhh okay, that explains things :D

[09:24:23]

RDV_Linux:

Run ,/jamu -v and ./jamu -MVf and pastebin the results and supply a link and I will see what we can do;)

[09:25:43]

Nidhoegger:

jamu -v: http://pastebin.ca/1277405

[09:26:05]

Nidhoegger:

ahh okay

[09:26:10]

Nidhoegger:

thats the problem i had with jamu

[09:26:27]

Nidhoegger:

it says the mythtv python interface is not installed of cannot connect to mythtv backend

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Nidhoegger:

and -v gives me MythDB object has no attribute db

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RDV_Linux:

Ok I am looking now

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Nidhoegger:

but the python bindings are in the correct place, ive already checked that

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haywire:

hello

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Nidhoegger:

okay RDV_Linux forget it, the problem is i ran jamu as root, as user i have no probs

[09:28:35]

Nidhoegger:

ill pastebin, mom

[09:29:04]

haywire:

is there any reason why I can play recorded videos (AVIs) on my backend but they won't play on my frontend? I applied all of the codecs from the mythcontrol centre.

[09:29:26]

Nidhoegger:

http://pastebin.ca/1722408 -> and it says here is no valid address-to-host mapping for the host (buecksteuck03)

[09:29:43]

Nidhoegger:

somehow wgetpaste doesnt pipe that in the output

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: looking now

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haywire:

btw, I can play the videos manually via VLC

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: You only pasted part of the ./jamu -MVf output and that part at least to me looked ok. Are you running a separate front end (on a physically different pc)?

[09:35:44]

justinh:

haywire: external codecs have no relevance in mythtv

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Nidhoegger:

same PC

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Nidhoegger:

ive done ./jamu.py -MVf | wgetpaste -s ca

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Nidhoegger:

that pastes all except errors

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haywire:

justinh: thanks. Just wondering why VLC can play the videos on the frontend PC and the frontend software cannot.

[09:36:46]

Nidhoegger:

i said it has the error that no valid address to host mapping exists and so it cant execute the -MJ parameters

[09:37:04]

Nidhoegger:

it says they cannot be uses until the mapping is correct

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: Then it is likely that the MythTV Internal player has issues with your video files. justinh is correct. But the internal player plays almost any type of video file.

[09:38:07]

justinh:

haywire: are you using storage groups?

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Nidhoegger:

video files are played without problems?!

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justinh:

this is probably a file access problem

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Nidhoegger:

the problem is with my files, ive cutted the ads with avidemux, these are hardcuts, so first sec of the avi is corrupted

[09:38:55]

Nidhoegger:

but players play them anyway

[09:39:12]

Nidhoegger:

has someone a program that can fix that?

[09:39:14]

justinh:

if you're sharing a directory over the network & treating the files as 'local' then you have to make the base path the same on all myth machines. So if you export /myth/videos from the backend, mount it to /myth/videos on all frontends

[09:39:16]

haywire:

justinh: no storage groups. All the vids are strored on the backend and mounted in the same directory on the frontend. VLC has no problem playing them on the frontend.

[09:39:39]

haywire:

yes, it is in the same directory (/var/lib/mythtv/videos)

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Nidhoegger:

justinh, i have the backend and frontend on the same pc

[09:39:46]

Nidhoegger:

i dont use network connections

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: When you pastebin me the output from Jamu do not filter anything out it makes problem analysis more difficult.

[09:40:18]

Nidhoegger:

one moment, ill pastebin it manually

[09:41:44]

Nidhoegger:

jamu -v: http://pastebin.ca/1722420

[09:41:59]

RDV_Linux:

looking now

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Nidhoegger:

http://pastebin.ca/index.php jamu -MVf

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Nidhoegger:

http://pastebin.ca/1722422 sorry ^^

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justinh:

haywire: does mythfrontend even look like it's trying to play the files?

[09:43:25]

haywire:

justinh: no, no error message, nothing

[09:43:30]

justinh:

haywire: also, is the frontend hostname entirely different to the backend's hostname?

[09:44:00]

haywire:

justinh: yes, they are different, but I use hardcoded IP addresses in the setup.

[09:44:00]

justinh:

haywire: you wouldn't see error messages pop up. errors are output to a log (optionally)

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: The version you are using is slightly old v0.6.0 is the latest for 0.22+fixes although that is not likely causing your issues.

[09:44:35]

Nidhoegger:

ive installed the lastest version of mythtv in gentoo portage

[09:44:47]

Nidhoegger:

(~)0.22_p22860

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haywire:

justinh: just checked the frontend log, no errors at all

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: This error is due to your /etc/hosts file does not have a mapping of your PCs IP address to your host name of "bueckstueck03"

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Nidhoegger:

ahhh okay ^^

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: THis is very easy to fix

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Nidhoegger:

i know ^^

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Nidhoegger:

i thought localhost was enough :D

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Nidhoegger:

okay, restarting, got now 127.0.0.1 bueckstueck03 in /ets/hosts

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: Assuming things will start properly please follow the steps in the wiki

[09:52:23]

Nidhoegger:

okay, thank you for your help!

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RDV_Linux:

np I live to serve;)

[09:52:45]

Nidhoegger:

hehe, now MVf seems to do stuff :D

[09:53:04]

Nidhoegger:

now ill just need to fix an issue with german language

[09:53:10]

haywire:

justinh: never mind, it was operator error; I misread which button (play or done) was highlighted. Duhhhh. Anyway, thanks for your help. It works fine.

[09:53:40]

RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: Your next step in the jamu wiki is using -MI interactive mode

[09:54:17]

Nidhoegger:

ill first read now the commented example file to configure it properly :D

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: Just to be clear, When you add your script as a secondary metadata source for movies it will ONLY be used if Jamu cannot find the movie on TMDB. I am not sure if you will get what you want from Jamu with regards to your script.

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Nidhoegger:

i would more like it as primary source, becuase for many films the tmdb script finds metadata, but in english instead of german

[09:58:38]

RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: As TMDB and TVDB are the official sources for MythTV jamu always uses them as the primary sources.

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Nidhoegger:

opensource ftw :D i think ill just change jamu a bit, so the official sources wont ever give results :P

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: Possible but you will be the one maintaining that code;)

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Nidhoegger:

does jamu scrape/parse the official pages on its own or does it use external scripts?

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RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: Jamu uses API's for TVDB and TMDB that are accessed within Jamu. Only secondary sources are external scripts. You could add a new config file variable that automatically uses the secondary source when the primary source routine is called. THat would be a simpler change.

[10:03:28]

RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: The variable method would be a lot easier to maintain between jamu releases.

[10:04:23]

Nidhoegger:

yes, you are right

[10:04:37]

Nidhoegger:

i think some people would be happy if jamu offered that feature

[10:06:13]

RDV_Linux:

Nidhoegger: Create a patch and submit it. That has already happened. The Jamu version in trunk supports parsing of directory names like MythVideo due to a user patch.

[10:06:48]

Nidhoegger:

i think i will, but first i need to lern a bit python, but i think it isnt that hard to make such a minor change

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justinh:

it's a bit less forgiving about spelling mistakes than humans are ;-)

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xand:

not all humans.

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[11:24:03]

Tecan:

hey hey hey

[11:24:35]

Tecan:

i just got my mythtv working with a dazzle pinnacle dvr and its a little choppy

[11:24:52]

Tecan:

any ideas ? i think i tried everything easy

[11:25:12]

Hoxzer:

...define: choppy

[11:25:43]

Tecan:

in ntsc mode – the only one it works good in, it bounces up and down a little

[11:25:58]

Tecan:

huge latency too

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Tecan:

whats a good card for mythtv ?

[11:26:39]

mchou:

Tecan: myth is supposed to have latency

[11:26:58]

mchou:

Tecan: it buffers

[11:27:23]

Tecan:

ok but what about the bouncing up and down flicker ?

[11:27:51]

mchou:

Tecan: which pinnacle card do you have exactly?

[11:28:10]

Tecan:

dvc 100

[11:28:25]

mchou:

I'm not familiar with that one

[11:28:43]

mchou:

needless to say it's not supposed to flicker

[11:28:43]

Tecan:

its called a dazzle all in one

[11:30:47]

devinheitmueller:

Tecan: How much is it bouncing up and down? One scanline?

[11:31:04]

Tecan:

way more

[11:31:09]

Tecan:

like atleast 20

[11:31:18]

devinheitmueller:

Tecan: also, have you tried it under MythTV? That would help identify whether it's a card issue or a MythTV issue.

[11:31:23]

Tecan:

if i try pal it messes up the color

[11:31:25]

mchou:

is that a SW framegrabber?

[11:31:29]

devinheitmueller:

Pardon, I mean have you tried it under tvtime?

[11:31:35]

devinheitmueller:

mchou: yes.

[11:31:43]

devinheitmueller:

mchou: It's an em28xx based em2820 with saa7115.

[11:31:50]

Tecan:

i'll try it in tvtime

[11:32:07]

devinheitmueller:

It should work fine – I tried it a couple of months ago with the latest v4l-dvb tree.

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mchou:

devinheitmueller: is the hvr1600 fixed yet?

[11:32:35]

devinheitmueller:

mchou: what part of the HVR-1600? The ClearQAM fixes have been in for a while.

[11:33:03]

mchou:

devinheitmueller: high pci util, dropouts on digital side

[11:33:36]

devinheitmueller:

The digital side issues should be fixed – the card is now at the point where the digital performance has been validated to be the same as under Windows.

[11:33:50]

devinheitmueller:

Regarding the high PCI utilization, I don't know – I haven't really investigated the issue.

[11:34:06]

Tecan:

i think i have ntsc-m

[11:34:09]

devinheitmueller:

Andy did do some work to improve scatter/gather performance, but it hasn't hit the mainline yet.

[11:34:29]

mchou:

devinheitmueller: ok, good to know

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devinheitmueller:

Tecan: where are you located?

[11:48:03]

sphery:

gbee: Don't worry--you're not the only one lying, then. I've been mentioning that you have a plan to several users who expressed an interest on working on MythMusic (and told them to talk with you). I'd guess, though, you haven't heard from any of them, so perhaps they weren't too serious (or plan to wait until after the holidays).

[11:50:54]

Tecan:

canada

[11:51:04]

Tecan:

i bought it off ebay tho

[11:51:04]

devinheitmueller:

Tecan: ok.

[11:51:13]

Tecan:

i used v4l-info and it said ntsc-m

[11:51:24]

Tecan:

but it also said alot of stuff

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devinheitmueller:

Tecan: well, let's start by trying it with tvtime and see if the board works at all.

[11:52:26]

devinheitmueller:

And yes, you should expect latency. With all boards, the MythTV backend records the raw video, converts it to MPEG, and then the frontend reads the MPEG and displays it on the screen. You should expect several seconds of latency.

[11:52:55]

Tecan:

it works sweet in tvtime

[11:53:02]

devinheitmueller:

ok, well that's good.

[11:53:02]

Tecan:

no jitters at all

[11:53:07]

devinheitmueller:

Hmmm...

[11:53:12]

devinheitmueller:

Are you running the latest v4l-dvb code?

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Tecan:

ya the svn

[11:53:31]

devinheitmueller:

You mean the hg, right?

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Tecan:

oh no its the .22 version then

[11:53:50]

Tecan:

with some patches

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devinheitmueller:

I'm talking about v4l-dvb, not mythtv.

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mchou:

bah

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Tecan:

it should be the newest , i've got the new suse 11.2

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devinheitmueller:

I did testing a couple of months ago against that board, but not with MythTV.

[11:54:41]

devinheitmueller:

The distros usually lag several months behind the current v4l-dvb tree.

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, you're running suse?

[11:55:17]

devinheitmueller:

Pastebin your dmesg output after connecting the device.

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mchou:

I'll be willing to bet the wrong frequency table is being used in myth

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devinheitmueller:

entirely possible.

[11:57:28]

mchou:

hard to imagine it'd work nice in tvtime but not in myth

[11:57:42]

devinheitmueller:

mchou: well, I see that more than you would think. :-/

[11:57:54]

devinheitmueller:

MythTV does some unusual things with how it interacts with v4l devices.

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Tecan:

http://pastebin.com/m3c28e0db

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** devinheitmueller looks **

[11:58:22]

Tecan:

tvtime --verbose spit out not much good

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devinheitmueller:

Tecan: Ah, ok. Yeah your dmesg output looks good.

[11:59:02]

devinheitmueller:

I would follow mchou's suggestion and make sure you are using the correct frequency table in MythTV.

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devinheitmueller:

Oh wait, this device doesn't have a tuner.

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Tecan:

nope

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mchou:

hah, nm :)

[11:59:29]

devinheitmueller:

Well, that rule's out mchou's assertion. ;-)

[11:59:47]

mchou:

indeed

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devinheitmueller:

Tecan: can you provide a screen capture of the corruption you are seeing?

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Tecan:

http://tecan.ath.cx/s1.png

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mchou:

hmm, what's wrong with that?

[12:04:36]

Tecan:

it looks like that but the text jumps up and down

[12:04:49]

Tecan:

in tvtime its crystal clear

[12:04:53]

devinheitmueller:

Tecan: can you send a second screenshot for comparison.

[12:04:58]

Tecan:

no

[12:04:59]

mchou:

only the text or the whole picture?

[12:05:07]

Tecan:

the whole thing

[12:05:10]

devinheitmueller:

Could just be that you're not deinterlacing?

[12:05:21]

Tecan:

where do i chosse that

[12:05:33]

devinheitmueller:

It's in the mythtv configuration.

[12:05:34]

mchou:

press "o"

[12:05:37]

sphery:

Dibblah: It sure is strange to see f-myth-users ranting about someone else's response to his message. Thanks for taking the heat (and saying what I would have said).

[12:06:00]

devinheitmueller:

It's all a question of how much it changes. If you can send a second screenshot for comparison, we can tell you whether it's interlacing or something else.

[12:06:20]

Dibblah:

... Misleading the DD guys is just _not_ on.

[12:06:25]

mchou:

actually pressing "o" won't work in livetv

[12:06:32]

sphery:

Tecan: sounds like you're using Bob deinterlacing

[12:06:33]

Dibblah:

As in "this is a problem in Myth"....

[12:07:13]

sphery:

Tecan: Go to Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback and on screen 3 change the Playback Profile group from current (probably CPU+, which is a terrible choice) to Slim

[12:07:25]

sphery:

Dibblah: agreed

[12:08:05]

Dibblah:

" I have other things to do with my time, and I'm sure no one else cares.". Good summary.

[12:08:08]

sphery:

I'm very glad you said that it sounds like it's /only/ his 0.18.1 with scripts wrapped around scripts setup that's broken, too. Mine had no issues over that time.

[12:08:28]

Dibblah:

And the lack of response (again) to my complaint over his name is annoying.

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Dibblah:

How about I start posting to MIT mls with f-mit?

[12:09:20]

Dibblah:

or f-you-too?

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sphery:

I love that he says his approach of keeping all the raw DD data has "saved his bacon a dozen times debugging problems with his rules". I don't think I've seen a dozen errors in DD data itself.

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sphery:

so perhaps his rules are broken, too

[12:09:59]

Dibblah:

Of course, there are many errors in DD data.

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GreyFoxx:

yeah but he is also heavily scripting everything manually and using an ancient version of myth

[12:10:04]

Dibblah:

It comes from Tribune.

[12:10:06]

sphery:

I just don't see why he won't change the e-mail address

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Dibblah:

Sure, it's massaged a lot, but some of the raw tribune data isn't very great :(

[12:10:46]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: true, it may be that he's breaking it himself and saving his bacon with the same scripts that endangered his bacon

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sphery:

yeah, but the only times I've seen issues are with last-minute changes due to things like Presidential addresses or sports events.

[12:12:13]

sphery:

I've either been very lucky or the data quality is just plain "good enough"

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sphery:

Dibblah: Of course, I don't have a problem where when the movie runtime is listed as 8hrs, Myth only records the portion 2hr timeslot in which its aired. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6898

[12:15:03]

Tecan:

awe sweet you guys, slim worked good

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Tecan:

its a bit cpu intensive though

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sphery:

Tecan: great... Slim is the best choice in most situations

[12:15:22]

sphery:

it's the least CPU intensive

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gbee:

heh

[12:15:34]

sphery:

other than the hardware-accelerated ones

[12:15:47]

sphery:

so VDPAU Slim should work if you have VDPAU

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Tecan:

what about cpu++ ?

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sphery:

you /could/ try XvMC, but you'll be using Bob and XvMC is a horrid piece of ancient garbage

[12:16:07]

gbee:

if 'slim' is cpu intensive then you need more hamsters

[12:16:10]

Tecan:

whats vdpau ?

[12:16:26]

justinh:

ruh? which rock have you been hiding under?!

[12:16:36]

sphery:

Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix

[12:16:37]

ivor:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web . . . OmJNm8I2C64Q

[12:16:42]

ivor:

meh.

[12:16:42]

gbee:

Nvidia hardware acceleration

[12:16:46]

ivor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU

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sphery:

It's an nvidia specific hardware decodign API

[12:17:08]

sphery:

but, my personal preference is CDPAU

[12:17:21]

sphery:

that's my name for CPU-based Decode and Presentation API for Unix

[12:17:27]

ivor:

:)

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sphery:

(i.e. get a CPU from this millenium and you should be pretty good for any content)

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justinh:

hmm my myth box keeps recording The Cosby Show sporadically

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sphery:

OK, really, you'd want a rather recent dual-core CPU and should be able to do most anything you want--definitely anything that you could do with XvMC

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ivor:

sphery: on the other hand there is an attraction to having a custom bit of hardware doing the decoding for you to build a low power machine.

[12:18:59]

sphery:

I'm a big fan of the recent low-TDP dual cores.

[12:19:12]

justinh:

grean pun. big fan. heh

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ivor:

ta dum. tsccch.

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sphery:

heh, not intended

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Tecan:

VDAP is much less intensive

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Dibblah:

Err... Recent CPUs _cannot_ do everything that VDPAU can, unless you're only talking about mpeg2.

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sphery:

I don't like that VDPAU is "you get what some vendor decides to give you"

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sphery:

I like FOSS for a reason (Free--which has nothing to do with cost)

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sid3windr:

free cost is nice though

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sphery:

Dibblah: I said, "definitely anything that you could do with XvMC"

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sid3windr:

you have to admit :p

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sphery:

which is /not/ saying anything you can do with VDPAU

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Dibblah:

Currently, there's some interaction between the deinterlacer and the ffmpeg decoder that makes mpeg4 decoding single-core only.

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sphery:

sid3windr: free cost is an added bonus, but not my primary concern

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sid3windr:

agreed. :)

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justinh:

you cannae really have open source paid for software though innit

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sphery:

Dibblah: yeah, but XvMC is /far/ more limited than software decode and works on such a small range of video that it's not useful on a real CPU

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justinh:

well you *could* but you'd be mad to pay :D

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sphery:

justinh: no, you can, but once the first person paid, he could give it to anyone else.

[12:23:35]

sphery:

so you just have to charge an appropriate amount for that first copy

[12:24:01]

sphery:

though $0 is the appropriate amount

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justinh:

ok first cheque for $25,000,000 gets a copy of 'concept'

[12:24:23]

sphery:

see, that's the way it should work

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justinh:

*cheque which clears

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sphery:

the hard part is convincing that first person it's actually worth the $25M

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justinh:

they won't have much choice. pay up or the kitten gets it

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sphery:

can't really do a "try before you buy" thing :)

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ivor:

hmm. it's not friday already is it?

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justinh:

no. Tomorrow is friday for me :)

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ivor:

hmmm, everyone been drinking already then? :P

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justinh:

oh yeah when I have a 35 mile drive home. sure

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Tecan:

is there anything i can do about the latency ?

[12:27:13]

justinh:

what latency?

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ivor:

justinh: where's my tiny violin....

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Tecan:

the latency between pushing a button on the device and seeing it on the screen

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justinh:

ivor: after the amount I put back on Saturday night it'll be new years when I next have a drink

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Tecan:

in tvtime its realtime

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justinh:

Tecan: no problem here

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justinh:

sounds like your system is too lame :)

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sphery:

Tecan: if you mean "after I hit a key/button for MythTV, it takes a while to see things change", the best solution is a better CPU

[12:28:23]

Tecan:

no

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Tecan:

button on the video device

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justinh:

ruh?

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Tecan:

the satellite unit

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justinh:

ahh

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sphery:

Tecan: if you mean, "after I hit a button on the 6200 remote, it takes several seconds to change channel on the MythTV", you're using Myth wrong

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justinh:

that's because everything is recorded

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justinh:

buffered to disk first

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sphery:

Myth always records everything, so you're seconds behind realtime

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Tecan:

yeah where are those buffer settings ?

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justinh:

there are no settings

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sphery:

no settings

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sphery:

if you want a real-time TV player, use TV Time

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sphery:

if you want a(n amazing) DVR, use MythTV :)

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justinh:

spoeaking of time. Hometime

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Tecan:

tvtime records too ?

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sphery:

TV player

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sphery:

not TV recorder

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Tecan:

ah, either way thanks much for the help

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sphery:

DVR is Digital (or, for Myth, Developer) Video Recorder

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Tecan:

tis a great victory after my 24 hour binge

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sphery:

Tecan: you need to get MythTV set up with an IR transmitter to manage your STB

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Tecan:

is mythtv the guys who tried to do dreambox ?

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sphery:

No, Dreambox was separate

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Tecan:

oh

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sphery:

we've just dropped DBox support

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Tecan:

did they ever sell the hardware for the xbox's ?

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Tecan:

i pimped my xbox to the max back in the day

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Tecan:

even spray painted it lol

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Tecan:

did the jewl up nice

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sphery:

I don't think anyone did (you mean a classic XBox with MythTV frontend installed, I suppose)

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Tecan:

yeah they wernt around for more than a year for sale

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Tecan:

dreambox died fast

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sphery:

yeah, and most of the people still using them seem to be doing so for the purpose of stealing satellite tv :(

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Tecan:

i love stealing from corporate conglomerates

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Tecan:

specially if its worth money

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sphery:

we don't love that here, so feel free to keep those feelings to yourself :)

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Tecan:

you dont like stealing and money ?

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Tecan:

what planet are you from

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sphery:

well, I like money, just like to earn it :)

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iamlindoro:

Tecan: Theft of service is prohibited discussion in this channel, warning issued

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Tecan:

i suppose your all against drugs then too

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iamlindoro:

Tecan: I suggest not pushing this topic, it's time to move on

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Tecan:

im uber l33t0 and stuff

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gbee:

of course we're not against drugs, don't be preposterous

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gbee:

we're against illegal drugs

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Tecan:

doctors are the drug dealers

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Tecan:

who's idea was it to make plants out of nature illegal anyway

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Tecan:

its like saying god made a mistake

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Tecan:

then punishing people for trying it

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gbee:

ahh, there's your mistake, God doesn't exist

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** mag0o searches for that bag of popcorn **

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Tecan:

says you, i have many god

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gbee:

I suppose Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy exist too

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iamlindoro:

The Hogfather?

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Tecan:

gbee thats a very narrow minded thought to say god does not exist

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sphery:

Hmmm... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033 "Antec EarthWatts Green(No power cord included) EA-380D...80 PLUS...Power Supply" Does failing to include the power cord make the PSU more green. Sure, it may reduce waste, but...

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Tecan:

less means more

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mag0o:

less power wasted/used if no power cord is supplied

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iamlindoro:

sphery: 100% more green

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Tecan:

now you have to drive to get a new one then use up all that air walking around

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sphery:

I have a shoe box (size 11 US) full of power cords.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: In fact, without the power cord I'd rate it 100% efficient

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Tecan:

lol

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sphery:

guess there's that...

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sphery:

but then again, can we say for sure that it's use of gravity isn't having a detrimental effect on the environment?

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** Tecan pictures iamlindoro rubbing his chin and saying peak efficiency **

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sphery:

Anyway, if anyone wants one, don't buy it without the promo code EMCMNNM54 , which will save you another $6

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Tecan:

you get what you pay for

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Tecan:

you need one of them good ones from radio shack with 2 fans on it

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Tecan:

the jumbo center fan then one in the back

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Tecan:

they'll take all the surges you need without frying the motherboard

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Tecan:

450 watt

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sphery:

Heh, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /275270.html . Seems my definition of "working on solutions to this problem" differs from Eric's :)

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sphery:

Tecan: I love 80 PLUS. I've been very happy with all my recent 80 PLUS purchases and will never go back to a non-80 PLUS PSU.

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Tecan:

80 was what i paid too

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sphery:

Tecan: Was saving me around $1.50/computer/month back when my electricity was cheap. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460

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sphery:

Now it's more like $2.25/computer/month

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Tecan:

to run a computer for a month should be more than that

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sphery:

yeah, that's the power savings

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Tecan:

are you talking power wise or the money you save on psu's ?

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sphery:

money I save on power costs because the 80 PLUS range is much more efficent than my old non-80 PLUS PSU's.

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Tecan:

coupled with those amdx2+ cpu's you could be really efficient

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Tecan:

cpu going full out only burns 20 watt/s

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sphery:

yeah, I just wish I could buy the 45W TDP AMD dual cores--the 240e, particularly

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sid3windr:

I wish I could see a visible difference on my power bill

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sphery:

Sony and HP are still getting them all, so they're almost impossible to find

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Tecan:

they have like 24 core cpu's on the way too

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sid3windr:

I'm using energy saving bulbs, 80+ psu, tft instead of crt, etc

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sid3windr:

still pay 169 EUR/mo for electricity alone :p

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Tecan:

i've found that aslong as psu's stay cool there are hardly ever problems in the good ones

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Tecan:

the only thing is like dust buildup in the fan

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** sid3windr has this modular zalman thingy which seems to reach 90% in some cases, iirc **

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** Dibblah needs to work on his downward curve a little more :( **

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Dibblah:

http://pendor.org/power/2years_power.png

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sid3windr:

I wanted to install this wattson thingy but I can't.. :)

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Dibblah:

"can't" is an excuse. ;)

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clever:

Dibblah: i'm thinking of automating the thermostat controls more to save on energy some

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clever:

Dibblah: stuff like a motion sensor to lower the temp in a room when nobody is there, think it would work?

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highzeth:

Id rather do statistics on when you/people are home, and from those numbers (with a motion sensor as override) set your temps

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sid3windr:

Dibblah: well, yeah. :P

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clever:

another related option is to have a force sensor under furniture your likely to be on for long times (bed, couch), where the motion sensor wouldnt see you

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sid3windr:

but there was some issue with the cabling which I forgot again... ;)

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Dibblah:

There are many approaches to occupancy sensing. None works in all situations.

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gbee:

sid3windr: you probably don't see a difference in your bill because in most countries energy prices have rocketed, which you've probably considered but I mention it anyway

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sid3windr:

well, no, I don't see a lot of difference in my usage either ;)

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sid3windr:

in kWh

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clever:

Dibblah: yeah, one hotel ive been to would cut the lights/heater if you stoped moving

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clever:

Dibblah: id be sitting there watching tv, and id have to get up every 30 minutes and wave at the thing:P

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gbee:

my bills only decrease a small amount, but when you looked at the usage and calculated the difference on the previous years rates it was significant

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sid3windr:

or well, I guess the correct explanation would be that I maybe use the saving techniques as an excuse to get more stuff that uses power :D

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clever:

Dibblah: my solution to that exact problem, is a force sensor in the feet of the bed, to detect when somebody is on the bed itself

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Dibblah:

And when the force sensor breaks...

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clever:

Dibblah: ive seen projects online where they use the one i'm looking at for weighting a keg fridge

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Dibblah:

I've worked out that my energy usage is _just_ costing me less than last year, due to the price rises.

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gbee:

not to mention the awkward moment when a disembodied face reminds you to practice safe sex because the sensors suggest the advice may be appropriate ...

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sid3windr:

lol =)

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clever:

gbee: lol, thats a long ways away:P

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sid3windr:

yeah

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sid3windr:

no sex when you're called "clever"

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clever:

too many laptops on the bed for that right now

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sid3windr:

not for a long time!

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Dibblah:

That's a little unnecessary.

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sid3windr:

the laptops, you mean, I ass-ume.. :>

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Aval0n:

justinh: hey are you around?

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highzeth:

clever you should check out z-wave, believe they got combo sensors(motion, sensor & light), added bonus, no wires

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highzeth:

err motion, heat & light that is

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clever:

dont really need wireless

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highzeth:

have you read up on their products? I'll never consider a wired setup after a bud had a show & tell of his setup in the new house.

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clever:

ive got fiber-glass tiles in the basement

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clever:

i can easily lift a tile and run more wires out of sight

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clever:

could even cut a hole in a tile and have a sensor peeking out thru it:P

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highzeth:

ok, good luck with that

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hiemanshu:

Hello all, Trying to setup MythTV here, will Scanning for Channels, the Scan stops at "added channel europe-west S21"

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hiemanshu:

s/will/while

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hiemanshu:

I am in India, using an ivtv Card

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Aval0n:

For the last three years I have been running a HTPC with video/audio output to my 50" samsung plasma with no problems at all.

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Aval0n:

The video card is an nvidia 7300GS which has a passthrough for spdif audio. I have a pigtail adapter from the digital coax output on the back of the HTPC to 2 pin spdif connector on the video card. This has always worked fine but now with my new UN55B6000 I can not get audio via HDMI for the life of me!

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Aval0n:

It's driving me crazy and I don't want to have to use the mouse and toggle between default audio and spdif output all the time on my PC. If I have the audio via HDMI working I can leave it spdif all the time.

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Aval0n:

Does anyone have any clue what might be causing the problem?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: seems you need to burn your mayor

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wagnerrp:

pushing for brain cancer warnings on cellphones

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mag0o:

surgeon generals warning: talking on this device may cause brain damage, and drunk dialing

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wagnerrp:

seriously, its 'non-ionizing radiation'

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wagnerrp:

do people not understand what that means?

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wagnerrp:

its of insufficient energy to break apart molecules

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mag0o:

it simply means the radiation doesn't ionize

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wagnerrp:

if you cant break things apart (damage them) you cannot cause cancer. period.

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wagnerrp:

you are heating things up

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Which mayor?

[14:01:12]

wagnerrp:

Gavin Newsom

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iamlindoro:

Not my Mayor :)

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iamlindoro:

though, admittedly, a nearby mayor

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gbee:

I say go for it, but only if the guy is forced to wear a warning label himself "Warning, liable to outbreaks of stupidity"

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sid3windr:

pity that 80plus.org does not have 230V models of zalman

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sid3windr:

I was wondering what mine did

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sid3windr:

:[

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wagnerrp:

230Vs are generally a couple percentage points above our 110V ones anyway

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

115V ZM750-HP and ZM600-RS are both 85.xx

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sid3windr:

I have a 230V ZM600-HP, should be good :D

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sid3windr:

I only bought it because it was quiet, modular and I knew it would be good as it's a zalman.. :D

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: That's a simplistic view of cancer that is not entirely correct.

[14:32:33]

Dibblah:

... Many, many things are carcinogenic – Long-term temperature rises for example.

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messerting:

Hi, I've just updated, recompiled and installed latest 022-fixes from svn in order to see if I could enable ripping to flac in mythmusic. But the option is still not there in the setup

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messerting:

anyone knows how to enable it?

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messerting:

I do have flac-devel installed

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: long term temperature rises have a number of health concerns, not just cancer

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Dibblah:

Sure.

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to say it poses a health concern, just like long term use of a heat pack can damage tissue

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Dibblah:

However, saying "non-ionising radiation" is safe is a fallacy.

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wagnerrp:

but it is not a direct cause of cancer

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wagnerrp:

no, its not safe, it just doesnt cause cancer

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Dibblah:

Just like getting shot through the heart doesn't cause you to die.

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wagnerrp:

thats not at all what im saying

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wagnerrp:

im saying a cell phone poses no greater risk than a heat pack or ice pack

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Dibblah:

I know – It's a stupid argument. Let's drop it ;)

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** Dibblah wonders if Excel is RFC1123 compliant. **

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wagnerrp:

excel does network communication?

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wagnerrp:

i mean you can do DB lookups, but i thought that all got routed through ODBC or whatever its called

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wagnerrp:

or are you making another pointless argument?

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messerting:

Oh, man, stupid me. I forgot that Flac is in an ogg container... x_x

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messerting:

Anyway – when I start my frontend, it will always ask for which CD drive I want to use. Where can I set this permanently?

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messerting:

(I do only have one CD drive, but installed a new harddrive recently)

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Dibblah:

Heh. Stupid MS. RFC-822.

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wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever seen that popup

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Dibblah:

(1123 has a annex to it)

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Dibblah:

And no, to answer the question, it's not. Bloody MS.

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Dibblah:

Date formats.

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messerting:

my choices are /dev/dvd, /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2, and "cancel" where /dev/dvd is the only optical drive (sdb is an HD)

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wagnerrp:

hmm... getting a schema upgrade failure on 1247

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Dibblah:

Tocirpas4rrwfatr

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iamlindoro:

fssh33399ffsss?

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Brad-D:

hey iamlindoro, which case did you say you used for your 20TB media center beast?

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Brad-D:

i can't seem to find a case that holds more than 7 drives

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wagnerrp:

lian-li V2000

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wagnerrp:

12-drive bay in the bottom

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iamlindoro:

Heh, yeah ^^

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wagnerrp:

for some reason mythbackend is deciding i have an empty database

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wagnerrp:

and subsequently trying to create it new, failing the schema update in the process

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iamlindoro:

12 at the bottom, and lots more if you use the 5.25 bays

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Brad-D:

hmmm weird i was just looking at that

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Brad-D:

i could have swore the website said 7

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iamlindoro:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.as . . . puter%20Case

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iamlindoro:

alllll that at the bottom is drive space-- and doesn't even include the 5.25's

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Brad-D:

ahh i see

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Brad-D:

i was looking at a different case

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Brad-D:

apparently that one is a 2000B plus, and i was looking at the 2000

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Brad-D:

yeah that case looks like exactly what i want

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Brad-D:

can you take those wheels off the bottom?

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wagnerrp:

that whole family is largely the same inside

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wagnerrp:

its just the outside appearance of the case that changes

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wagnerrp:

theres like a dozen variants

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dubstar_04:

does anyone use mythtv with a mac?

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wagnerrp:

theres several pages about doing so on the wiki

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Brad-D:

yeah, this is the pic of the X2000 that my store has (i think) http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upload/image . . . 2000f003.jpg

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Brad-D:

same basic design, but they take all that space at the bottom, and use it for only six drives

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Brad-D:

jeeez!

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dubstar_04:

wagnerrp: was that reply to me?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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dubstar_04:

ok, i have it working its just a little slow

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: very different

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dubstar_04:

i was just wondering if that is normal?

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hiemanshu:

Hello all, Trying to setup MythTV here, while Scanning for Channels, the Scan stops at "added channel europe-west S21", I am in India, using an ivtv Card

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wagnerrp:

board isnt mounted upside down, theres a bay up top, the drives are in a hot-swap cage

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wagnerrp:

much shallower

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Brad-D:

yeah wish i could find the case that iamlindoro posted in canada

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Brad-D:

hmmm the P71 could be my winner

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Thanks for the post to the list, you tried :)

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Brad-D:

hey wagnerr, if i wanted to switch my mythtv mainbackend to another box? Is that terribly painful? Or would i just set up the other backend as normal, and move over the database and capture files?

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: well, I do what I can. I am not a mythtv developer, but I can certainly relate.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: The main communication breakdown seems to be the impression that Myth is a (nebulous term) "product"

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iamlindoro:

that, coupled with a natrual sense of entitlement on some people's part

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Sure, in which case I would be happy to personally refund his cost of purchase.

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iamlindoro:

er natural

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iamlindoro:

heh, exactly

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clever:

Brad-D: the simplest thing to do is to change the master backend ip in mythtv-setup

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clever:

Brad-D: the mysql server wont be moved, but a new box would take over being master, and if you keep running mythbackend on the old box, it will stream the recordings as needed

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clever:

depends on what you want to do exactly though

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Speaking only for myself, as a maybe-too-sensitive Myth dev, nothing takes the wind out of my sails like seeing the tidal wave of complaints from people who haven't lifted a finger

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devinheitmueller:

It is tempting though to want to find some way to offer commercial support. But in reality, I think that amongst the people who complain, absolutely none of them would be willing to pay for it.

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: like clever said, the ONLY thing that denotes the master backend is which machine has the same IP as that listed for the master backend in the database

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I hear you. I see plenty of that myself. It can be quite discouraging.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Yep, entitlement culture...

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: And Maybe I am even less tolerant of the complaints because while I was a pretty technical person beforehand, I learned everything I know about writing code by opening up the myth code and doing it

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iamlindoro:

ie, I learned by doing

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand the original question

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: well, that is how you learn. I got into the LinuxTV stuff because the tuner I bought didn't work.

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to have a myth box that couldnt handle all the content on your system?

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wagnerrp:

that makes no sense to me

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Yeah, it's the "well I can't possibly help, I don't have the skills" that bugs me

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: It's all about how *much* you care. If you *really* want it to work, you would burn 100 hours learning the code and *make* it work.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Because I didn't, but I got off my ass and made the code do something tiny by thinking logically, then something less tiny, and on and on until I was able to do something worthwhile

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iamlindoro:

yep

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devinheitmueller:

Don't get me wrong, when I *buy* a product, I expect it to work and I treat the tech support similar to the way the mythtv developers are treated. When I get something for free, I consider all bets to be off.

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iamlindoro:

agreed, and likewise

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devinheitmueller:

In a project run for free, either offer up patches, or STFU.

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devinheitmueller:

... which reminds me, so when are you mythtv developers going to get off your ass and make PulseAudio work properly with MythTV?

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devinheitmueller:

;-)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

trunk has some support, that's a step :)

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wagnerrp:

s/support/experimental-dont-use-or-things-will-go-horribly-wrong-support/

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devinheitmueller:

heh.

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I am hoping to finally build myself a MythTV box over the weekend. I own 23 tuners and still manage to not be able to tape "House" on Mondays.

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iamlindoro:

well, it will actually *run* with some basics there, and there's at least one patch to improve sync pending too

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iamlindoro:

.23 may end up being a very incremental release, but that's okay too I think

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devinheitmueller:

I think incremental is far better than waiting two years to get a release out the door.

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devinheitmueller:

"Release early, release often."

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iamlindoro:

agreed

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kormoc:

unless that early/often is often broken and early in the fix stage

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iamlindoro:

and I will try to really hit the new plugin hard the next few weeks, dunno if it will be third party or "official" but hopefully at least *ready* for .23

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iamlindoro:

s/ready/releaseable but far from done/

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Essobi_:

devinheitmueller: .... 23 tuners? Hahaha..

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah.

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devinheitmueller:

I work on a bunch of different drivers – it helps to have various products that use the same chipset to test for regressions.

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gbee:

iamlindoro: no plugin is yet done, they likely never will be ;)

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Heh, least of all this one :)

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Am already reaching a point where on a few fundamental things I just cannot figure out what to do, notably download handling and where in the heck to put/manage all that stuff

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wagnerrp:

gbee: that depends, does 'done for' count as done?

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gbee:

heh

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wagnerrp:

apparently HP takes its ideas from Veridian Dynamics

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

i reinstalled my backend and now when i try to watch live tv i get this error

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Hilikus:

2009-12–21 15:10:11.966 NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now.

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Hilikus:

but i don't want to use software encoding in the first place

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wagnerrp:

do you have a framegrabber?

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Hilikus:

is this because my card was configured incorrectly? its a hauppauge 150

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wagnerrp:

then its because its improperly configured

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Hilikus:

ok

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wagnerrp:

you need to set it as an mpeg encoder, rather than a v4l analog card

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Hilikus:

oh ok

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Hilikus:

it should be ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card i assume?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Hilikus:

/dev/video0 video24 video32

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wagnerrp:

0

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wagnerrp:

if you look at dmesg as the driver loads

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Hilikus:

ok. what's the difference just to know

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wagnerrp:

you see that 24 and 32 are the framegrabber and VBI interface

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iamlindoro:

thought one was raw audio

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devinheitmueller:

video24 is PCM audio, and video32 is raw video.

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devinheitmueller:

VBI is provided via /dev/vbi0

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wagnerrp:

ah.. i stand corrected

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wagnerrp:

regardless, you should likely never use either

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devinheitmueller:

in MythTV, wagnerrp is almost certainly correct.

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devinheitmueller:

Setup as an IVTV card, specifying /dev/video0 as the source.

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wagnerrp:

tvtime, and similar programs can only work on framegrabbers, and are the exception

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devinheitmueller:

I'm pretty sure tvtime won't work with the PVR-150 raw analog, because the ivtv driver doesn't have mmap support.

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devinheitmueller:

But yeah, in general those devices are designed for apps like tvtime.

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devinheitmueller:

Pardon, I meant to say "those device nodes", as in /dev/video24 and /dev/video32.

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Hilikus:

i see

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Hilikus:

how do i determine the optimal size for my signal or tv?? by default it's 480x480

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Hilikus:

its NTSC

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wagnerrp:

ive heard the encoder on the ivtv cards can cause color banding if not 720x480

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devinheitmueller:

You should pick 720x480, unless you are concerned about the size of the resulting recordings.

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devinheitmueller:

Hilikus: did you do a fresh install of 0.22? I'm asking because I thought they changed the default to be 720x480.

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Hilikus:

i did

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devinheitmueller:

Well, that's not good.

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Hilikus:

ubuntu 9.10

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wagnerrp:

you didnt carry over any of your old database?

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Hilikus:

not yet

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flexy1:

I'm trying to get jamu to regocnise translated tv show names. I added some lines in jamu.conf in section: [series_name_override] I used the same syntax as in the examples... like this: "Pako:75340" without the "" marks. Did not work. What might I be doing wrong?

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gbee:

iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

gbee:

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flexy1:

these tv shows are recorded with myth

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: Please give me an example file name and I will do a local test. What options are you using?

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gbee:

huh, dunno where that came from

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iamlindoro:

heh

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: Were you lonely?

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gbee:

I was busy scheduling some recordings for the xmas period on the other screen, guess focus was momentarily switched to this window followed by an i (info), right arrow, enter

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flexy1:

RDV_Linux: example file name? I tried with the same name as the epg shows and looked the series number for it... I've tried with -M -MW and -MJ

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: The options are the most important answer to analyze this problem

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iamlindoro:

flexy1: Is this a show without subtitles?

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iamlindoro:

If so, it's likely being interpreted as a movie

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flexy1:

RDV_Linux: it found those shows that are not translated

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gbee:

and by subtitle, we mean episode names

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gbee:

not captioning etc

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iamlindoro:

right, ^^ thanks, better term

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: The only meaningful options for your issue is -MW and -M. So give me a video file name for one that does not work with the -M option.

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flexy1:

iamlindoro: I'm not sure if it is subtitle or the other one, but in any case, it has some information about the episode name

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Hilikus:

do i still need a patched lirc module to be able to use a RC and IR blaster?

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Hilikus:

at the same time

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

not generally speaking, anyway

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flexy1:

RDV_Linux: The problem is not with mythvideo, but with DVB recording of a show. So I don't understand the file name question. File name is the one that mythtv assigned to the show when it recorded it.

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: Run ./jamu -MWV and pastebin me ALL of the output

[16:56:01]

RDV_Linux:

flexy1: THe instruction I just wrote will help with the analysis of the issue.

[16:56:36]

flexy1:

RDV_Linux: OK, I'll do it.

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: In all likelihood the issue is that your EPG does not have subtitle (episode names) and jamu thinks that the TV show is a movie. So your "Pako:75340" entry is assumed to be a TMDB#

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flexy1:

RDV_Linux: on another matter. I do have a bunch of home videos and such, wich do not have metadata. Is there a way to exclude a dir including such movies from jamu?

[16:59:24]

RDV_Linux:

flexy1: Change those videos reference number to "99999999" (eight nines) and jamu will ignore them.

[16:59:25]

flexy1:

RDV_Linux: that is very likely. The episode name and the episode description seems to be a one description

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flexy1:

RDV_Linux: I noticed that. It's just little slow way to mark over 50 shows one by one.

[17:00:13]

iamlindoro:

Is there an echo in here?

[17:00:43]

flexy1:

it's included in bash, atleast. :)

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: Unfortunately the TVDB and TMDB number do overlap.

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skd5aner:

flexy1: I had a lot of videos too, I wrote a SQL statement that looked for videos within a certain directory structure, and updated those records wiht the 99999999 entry

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skd5aner:

s/videos/home videos

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flexy1:

RDV_Linux: If the case is as you suspected, that my EPG does not have subtitle, is there a way to "go around" that problem by setting something in jamu.conf?

[17:02:52]

flexy1:

skd5aner: I thought of that, but I can't write SQL... Did not want to fuck up the database...

[17:03:24]

skd5aner:

flexy1: and I asked this same question 2 nights ago – no, not unless you manually enter sometihng for the subtitle -or- go and get the coverart yourself (in which case you can't use jamu -j or it'll delete it)

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skd5aner:

the SQL wasn't too hard – I don't have the statement anymore I don't think or I'd send it to you

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: Not at this time. Although I think someone ran the -MWI option and ended up selecting the correct TV shows. It is not a good long term solution. If you do that then never use the jamu -MJ option again.

[17:04:22]

flexy1:

skd5aner: how do I have to name the coverart?

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usg990a:

I am having trouble with mythweb and streaming musicI can manually copy and paste the stream url into winamp and it plays but

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: the -MW option with an I causes havoc from when I ran it that way initially – not a good idea

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usg990a:

mythweb does not generate the m3u file

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usg990a:

any thoughts on where to look for bad configuration?

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skd5aner:

look for the ones that it downloaded correctly, I think it's something like "Series Name_coverart.jpg"

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: flexy1: Then ignore that suggestion. I never tried it myself. So it is the manual method.

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RDV_Linux:

flexy1: Note that the "Series Name" MUST match the title of your EPG data.

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: yea, I ran it that way first because that's always how I did it for the videos, but quickly learned that it's not designed to work very well with MW

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skd5aner:

Yup – it has to be a 1:1 match, because myth will just look for a file that matches

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Correct as -MW is primarily a cronjob with no user interaction expected.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: here

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flexy:

is the paste

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flexy:

================================================================================ ==========

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iamlindoro:

ruh ruh

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RDV_Linux:

NOOO

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iamlindoro:

ruh roh

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flexy:

oops

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flexy:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1722888

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flexy:

here

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flexy:

:)

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: looking now

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skd5aner:

although I understand jamu is served up "as-is", I think from a feature request perspective, flexy has hit on my top 2 items 1) Interactive for TV shows and 2) Dir exclusion options in the conf :)

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skd5aner:

although, if they never come along – oh well, I'll deal

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iamlindoro:

Can't trust the Swedes, they've got a different word for everything

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stevieman:

Does the MythGame Emulation doc in the wiki work with .22? It only mentions .21

[17:10:13]

iamlindoro:

stevieman: Very very little has changed, all the setup will be identical

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skd5aner:

yea – although I love the swedish chef, you can't believe a word he says

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stevieman:

iamlindoro: Cool thanks

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iamlindoro:

stevieman: np

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Did you add the language option to the command line or jamu.conf file?

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skd5aner:

flexy: what country are you from?

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: no I think I missed that

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flexy:

skd5aner: Finland

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: It may help in getting more matches for TV series See the wiki

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skd5aner:

ahh – just curious, I love how some of the American show names translate

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Try adding -l fe -MWV to see if it helps

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skd5aner:

I'm guessing "Num3rot" = Numb3rs?

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flexy:

-l fe or -l fi?

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flexy:

skd5aner: right

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: opps

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Thats why it is better to check the wiki

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: my system is in english, only the epg is in finnish. I thought that it was not needed cause of that.

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flexy:

perhaps I should not think :)

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usg990a:

any thoughts on mythweb would not create the M3U file for audio playlists?

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stevieman:

In case anyone is interested a Promise Ultra ATA card will cause EM interference with a PVR-150 card.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1722906 now with -l fi

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Looking now

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: grrr....

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: yup

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: A small improvement (additional 11 posters) Please check some of the TV program names to see if there are any actual Finnish series names in TVDB. This may be the best that can be done.

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flexy:

ok. should I add those how? If I find any?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: On user also from Finland told me he just added to TVDB the TV series name in Finnish and then the graphics get picked up. The meta data text was still in English.

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RDV_Linux:

s/On/One/

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flexy:

how do I add those? In jamu.conf?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: You need a TVDB account to add those series. They take a while to be seen after you add them to TVDB

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Jamu is not involved you need to add them to the source TVDB

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flexy:

source TVDB? I'm baffled...

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flexy:

via mythfrontend?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: No go the http://thetvdb.com/

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Add those TV series in Finnish to the Web site. You will need a TVDB account. You will also be helping everyone else;)

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flexy:

OK. and after that myth just finds them?

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flexy:

without any special extra trick?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Correct although it takes several hours for the added shoes to appear on the internet. The only trick as I have been told is you do not need to add all the metadata if you do not mind English.

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bllzz:

I can't control the volume or mute function from within myth using my MCE USB remote. Everything else works. When i try to adjust the volume or to mute the sound, I see the appropriate overlay show up in the frontend (i.e. the volume slider) but there is no corresponding change in sound. I tried changing between PCM and Master in the sound options, but that doesn't work. What can I try next?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Jamu was changed to first look for graphics in the specified language then English and then any other language in that order.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: ok, I don't mind english as metadata, I'm after those fancy pictures with the shows

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: That what the other Finlander told me;) I changed Jamu to work for him and everyone else.

[17:37:29]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: Fix one show wait the appropriate time (give it at least a half day) and see if it works.

[17:37:36]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: is that change in 0.22-fixes?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Yes and in the version you are running. I can tell from your pastebin

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flexy:

I'm thinking of hopping to the trunk again.. :)

[17:38:31]

flexy:

right. then I can wait a while longer

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: It would be there also.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: There, yet another effort to be the voice of reason

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: yeah, I see it.

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flexy:

one another question. If a tv series name has characters :() in it, does it still work?

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: ... of which nothing will actually happen. ;-)

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: ^^

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: of course

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I swear you guys have the exact same problem we have over at linuxtv.org: a complete lack of any incentive system.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: we have atleast one show here with the translated name in the EPG containing : and several others containing ( and )

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: It should "Star Trek: xxxxx" works

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: mythtvlabs.org? ;)

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: well thats what the theming competition was supposed to do

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: heh.

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: If I thought I could find someone willing to pay, I would seriously consider it.

[17:41:42]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: It's such a silly notion that the fundamental usability and set flaws have escaped us somehow

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iamlindoro:

er setup flaws

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: agreed.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: I was thinking thetvdb site. If I add finnish titles there, they should be exactly the same as in EPG. EPG contains those characters. Is that a working situation?

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: "I am random user X who is going to provide some divine insight into what you have been doing wrong all this time!"

[17:43:01]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: pretty much, heh

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: That is a good question. You are probably right they should match as it would help more people.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Heh, and the response is "I'm not responding to this thread any more"

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iamlindoro:

as though he is the wounded party

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wagnerrp:

what every happened to mythbackend.pl?

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: nice.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: yeah, but as I noticed in the jamu.conf, the showname comes first, then : character as a separator, show number then. I was thinking that if the showname contains : character, does it still work?

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flexy:

or is it just a limitation in jamu.conf?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: The only characters that Jamu screens out is "/", "%" and there is an option to add others such as ones that will be an issue in MS-windows. This is not an issue with what you add to TDVB as a name.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: OK, great. I'll give it a go, as you instructed. Thanks. :)

[17:47:20]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: The only time that would be an issue is when the EPG does not have a subtitle so Jamu thinks the TV series is a movie.

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Try a test to make sure. Both Jamu and Mythvideo do matching by methods which remove punctuation.

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bsdfox__:

anyone know how to adjust the row/column count in mythvideo? the old plugin had settings for it but I don't see any with 0.22

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: How do I check if the EPG has a subtitle or not?

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RDV_Linux:

Check in MythWeb it is and see if the "subtitle" is empty.

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flexy:

ah, ok

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mchou:

anyone seen the movie "Let the right one in?"

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purple_processor:

i now live in england

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purple_processor:

doh

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: I only see title, description, but no subtitle. No subtitle at all, not even on the left side of :

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: In MythWeb in listing or Upcoming Recordings you see title and subtitle when you hover the mouse over the program title for a few seconds.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: airtime: title: channel: description: original airdate: category: are shown, with information. subtitle: is not shown at all

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Assuming that you see the work "subtitle:" but nothing beside it then that field is empty and your EPG is not giving you episode data.

[18:03:44]

flexy:

but I don't see even that. there is no "subtitle" at all, when hovering over show at mythweb listings or upcoming recordings

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Sorry when the field is empty even "subtitle:" does not show

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flexy:

right.

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flexy:

I suspected that. Have to use descriptions as comparison, when I don't want reruns to be recorded. So, I don't have subtitles. well, that's the negative point of free xmltv site

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stevieman:

is there a search feature in mythbuntu? I'm looking for the .mame file and I don't have a /.mame directory like the wiki says I should have

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wagnerrp:

the wiki probably says you should have a ~/.mame directory, not /.mame

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wagnerrp:

and that will only exist if you have run mame before

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: ah that little tidbit was left out. Ran mame and there is the directory :) Thanks

[18:12:54]

wagnerrp:

that little tidbit is common linux knowledge

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wagnerrp:

directories prepended with a period are 'hidden'

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stevieman:

but no mame.ini file just an empty default.cfg file off for even more reading

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wagnerrp:

and most user apps place a hidden file or folder in the user's home directory for configuration and other data

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: yes I realize the 'dot' directories/files are hidden but I didn't know you had to run the program to create the directories. I assumed it was created when the program was installed

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wagnerrp:

it would have to create that file for every user on the system

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wagnerrp:

no package manager would bother doing that

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: I suppose, however a desktop user (that's what I consider myself) that relies on How-To's etc that little tidbit is a piece of gold

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stevieman:

which when missing puts me into a free fall of confusion as to why my install didn't work, until I find a kind sould like yourself that puts me back on track ;)

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wagnerrp:

windows programs function in EXACTLY the same manner

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wagnerrp:

they place their own configuration directory in either Application Data or Local Settings on first run

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hipitihop:

My recent updates are showing the following as being kept back, any suggestions ? libxine1 libxine1-bin libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-misc-plugins

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hipitihop:

libxine1-x nvidia-glx-185

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wagnerrp:

xine and package management in general has nothing to do with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

see your distro's support channel

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, good point my bad

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MythbuntuGuest57:

anyone know what makes the mce remore sensor stop working after a couple clicks restarting teh service does not fix it just rebooting makes it work again

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wagnerrp:

MythbuntuGuest57: what about unloading/loading the kernel module?

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MythbuntuGuest57:

nope only restart fixes it

[19:15:36]

MythbuntuGuest57:

sometimes it works for hours sometimes only for 5 clicks

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wagnerrp:

'rmmod lirc_mceusb2; modprobe lirc_mceusb2; /etc/init.d/lircd restart' doesnt work?

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MythbuntuGuest57:

i read that in a support threat and tried it but if you like i can try again

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wagnerrp:

nope, thats ok

[19:17:32]

MythbuntuGuest57:

thing is it just stopps without error or anything

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MythbuntuGuest57:

root@rossi-frontend:/home/rossi# /etc/init.d/lircd restart

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MythbuntuGuest57:

bash: /etc/init.d/lircd: No such file or directory

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MythbuntuGuest57:

ERROR: Module lirc_mceusb2 does not exist in /proc/modules

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wagnerrp:

the '2' has been dropped in newer versions of lirc

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wagnerrp:

and your init scrips may be set up differently

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MythbuntuGuest57:

facepalm

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MythbuntuGuest57:

it says it s in use

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MythbuntuGuest57:

the rmmod command hangs after stopping lirc

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clever:

check dmesg

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MythbuntuGuest57:

hmm see no errors

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achandra:

anyone got a set of lirc definitions for the ortek vrc-1100 its the mce clone remote...

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MythbuntuGuest57:

sry not me

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MythbuntuGuest57:

but lirc just hung again can t remove the module nor modprobe it and lirc won t restart no errors given in messages

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MythbuntuGuest57:

after reboot everything is fine until it hangs again

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clever:

sounds like the process is locking up in kernel side

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clever:

those errors are a pain

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MythbuntuGuest57:

well where no log there s no diag

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clever:

using sysrq you can get a backtrace of it

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MythbuntuGuest57:

it s just wierd

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clever:

echo W | sudo tee /proc/sysrq-trigger

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clever:

while its locked up

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clever:

then check dmesg

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MythbuntuGuest57:

kk lemme lock it up again

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clever:

oops, w not W

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clever:

and whatever you do, dont echo 'b' or 'o' to that:P

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clever:

thats basicaly like yanking the power cord

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MythbuntuGuest57:

heh

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achandra_:

ortek vrc-1100 — sorry dropped off there for a sec ...any one with working lirc defs?

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MythbuntuGuest57:

./proc/sysrq-trigger [error opening dir]

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clever:

MythbuntuGuest57: ls -lh /proc/sysrq-trigger

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MythbuntuGuest57:

--w------- 1 root root 0 2009-12–21 18:37 /proc/sysrq-trigger

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clever:

should work, i just did 'echo h | sudo tee /proc/sysrq-trigger' as a test and it worked fine

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MythbuntuGuest57:

echo h

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MythbuntuGuest57:

you said echo w

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clever:

h is the help command

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clever:

w is the one you want for a list of blocked tasks

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MythbuntuGuest57:

well it says it ain t there

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MythbuntuGuest57:

0.0

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clever:

sudo -i, and then just do a normal 'echo w > /proc/sysrq-trigger'

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MythbuntuGuest57:

well was it supposed to be tee or tree

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clever:

tee :P

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MythbuntuGuest57:

AHA

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clever:

tee has to be used to get arround how sudo breaks redirection

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MythbuntuGuest57:

i see

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MythbuntuGuest57:

well now i got a crapload of data

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clever:

yep, throw it up on a pastebin

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clever:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/

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MythbuntuGuest57:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723076

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achandra_:

btw for those that have mythgame working...im having trouble getting it setup on mythbuntu 9.10 any ideas on a good guide for setup?

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MythbuntuGuest57:

oh thnx for reminding me i forgot to get that installed

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clever:

MythbuntuGuest57: 3 cpu cores??

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MythbuntuGuest57:

yeah

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clever:

thats an odd number

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MythbuntuGuest57:

amd triple phenom

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clever:

the output in dmesg is weird

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clever:

it doesnt usualy look like that

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clever:

maybe youve got a more recent kernel then i

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MythbuntuGuest57:

hmm how do i check what kernel i got

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clever:

uname -r

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MythbuntuGuest57:

2.6.31-16-generic-pae

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clever:

2.6.31-gentoo-r6 on my end

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MythbuntuGuest57 is now known as ross

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clever:

nearly identical:S

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ross:

heh

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ross:

it s just wierd that it just stops

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ross:

if i try to remove the kernel module the whole shell hangs

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clever:

yeah, ive had the same kind of problem with modules that crash

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clever:

its still better then a bluescreen, atleast you can safe everything and shutdown properly

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ross:

so who do we have to go visit and beat up to get that fixed

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clever:

lirc dev's i'm thinking

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awalls:

there should be a BUG or OOPS in the logs

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ross:

what logfile

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clever:

awalls: enless its a mutex problem

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ross:

a muwhatnow?

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awalls:

Well dmesg output of /var/log/message

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clever:

ross: id load the drivers with the debug options on and get that dmesg output

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clever:

almost nothing in the log right now

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awalls:

Ah yes, a deadlock won't show anything.

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ross:

yup looks clean

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clever:

awalls: ive had lvm deadlock durring a pvmove, and then ANY process that touches the block-dev (or its fs) will also deadlock

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awalls:

ross: Does dmesg show an oops?

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clever:

awalls: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723076

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ross:

nope no oops

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clever:

#

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clever:

[ 7.403302] Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint

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Dagmar:

Good LORD

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ross:

and no WTF#$$%@@@!!either

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clever:

there goes that help:P

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Dagmar:

I really don't know how Comcast manages to get anyone cable

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Dagmar:

It just took me an hour to get a straight answer as to how the @#$@ one gets Syfy HD

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ross:

well as a ex comcast employee i can tell you everything is f**ed up

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clever:

i dont have a HD box yet, but i'm already getting some 'digital' channels on the bare cable

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joebob:

I'm attempting to set the modeline for my vizio tv and I get a blue screen. I'm getting moeline for valid mode through the verbose X log...

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clever:

its only 480i, but its digital

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ross:

yeah comcast modulates their signal 6khz below the actual channel so it looks encrypted

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Dagmar:

Beg pardon?

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ross:

on my 1250 hvr i get just about 80 digital channels

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Dagmar:

yeah, that's just their vendy-machine channels mainly tho around here

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awalls:

-6 kHz? What PLL can't find that....

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joebob:

anyone familiar with getting proper modeline? I used this guide: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=54685

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ross:

could be 6 mhz

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ross:

6.0025

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iamlindoro:

6 Mhz is the width of one full channel

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ross:

the modulation is a lil bit off so teh channel looks encrypted

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iamlindoro:

It's not off, it's a different frequency table

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iamlindoro:

Harmonically and Incrementally related carriers

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iamlindoro:

So you should be scanning with HRC or IRC

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ross:

well excuse my bad english hehe i m bad in explaining things

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ross:

english is not my first language and i m missing words sometimes

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awalls:

ross: well I don't know what to say about a modprobe -r hanging – I would have expected a stack dump in the lock.

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awalls:

/lock/log/

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ross:

ima check

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clever:

awalls: yeah, i was expecting a stack dump also when SysRq : Show Blocked State got ran

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ross:

well no files in the lock folder

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awalls:

clever: doesn't alt sysrq have an option to dump the state (including stack backtrace) of all the processes?

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clever:

awalls: yeah, but then there is more to sift thru

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clever:

let me find the code

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clever:

ross: 'echo t | sudo tee /proc/sysrq-trigger' while its frozen

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ross:

k 1 sec

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ross:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723090

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clever:

better looking, i see stack traces

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clever:

just have to find the right one now

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joebob:

is there a better modeline guide?

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ross:

the actual infrared reciever still lights a red light when i press the remote but the service seems to hang

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clever:

ross: i think the output got cut off

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ross:

ugh how can i get the full one

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awalls:

I was wondering how he had a system with only 5 or so processes. :P

[20:04:36]

ross:

well how i get a hold of teh complete log

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clever:

it might be in /var/log/kern.log or similar

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ross:

thning is i m on putty and aperantly it only saves so many lines

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awalls:

FTP the log file over.

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clever:

get winscp and download the entire log file to windows

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ross:

winscp ok lemme see

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clever:

winscp works thru sshd, so its the same ip/port/name/pw

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ross:

oh wow thats a handy tool to have

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clever:

but with the large volume its spewing, syslog may still be overwhelemed and drop some parts

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ross:

damn i broke the messages file

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awalls:

ross: broke, or rotated out to messages.1?

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ross:

broke

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ross:

but i got a copy

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ross:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723107

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ross:

you want a log from before it hangs and one after???

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awalls:

No just the hang.

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ross:

kk i make you a cleaner one

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awalls:

Gah, my firefox decided to hangs :P

[20:20:47]

ross:

heh

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clever:

awalls: yeah its a massive paste

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clever:

nearly crippled mine aswell

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clever:

its also causing redraw bugs

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ross:

0.0

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awalls:

look for "modprobe" or "rmmod" or "lirc" in the output

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clever:

i see rmmod on like 934

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awalls:

We want to find a process that is nor R running (or S sleeping I think)

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clever:

top of the stacktrace is usb_kill_urb+0x64/0xa0

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awalls:

/nor/not/

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clever:

D state

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awalls:

D is likely the one

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ross:

i got a cleaner log uploading

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awalls:

I can't remember what state D is right now, but I know when I managed to get X to hang, it was in state D

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clever:

ross: try unpluging the receiver

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clever:

its usb, so removing it may kick the driver in the ass

[20:24:18]

ross:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723119

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ross:

nope unplugguing and plugging back in don t do nothing

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awalls:

Well, there's no way to clean up the mess the driver has created without rebooting.

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clever:

yeah

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awalls:

The stack backtrace will help the developer figure out why the unload failed

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ross:

sooooo explanation which i would understand?? what mess

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Dagmar:

"reboot and hope it doesn't happen too often"

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ross:

heh it happens every 5–6 clicks

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ross:

last time i managed to get 2 clicks in

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it

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Dagmar:

's broken to me

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ross:

so whats the driver doing and what mess is it creating

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Dagmar:

"effing up"?

[20:29:51]

ross:

well yeah i noticed that

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Dagmar:

If you can't code in C I would start to see if it's working for anyone else with that equipment

[20:30:05]

Dagmar:

If it's not, you're done.

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Dagmar:

If it *is*, they might have mentioned what they had to do to get around it

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ross:

i guess i m done

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Dagmar:

Now I just gotta remember to get up earlier than usual tomorrow so I can go pick up the digital reciever

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Dagmar:

I started to tell the community sales rep "Look, at this rate, I can figure out how to use a softcam before you give me a straight answer"

[20:31:53]

Dagmar:

I am much happier just throwing money at the problem

[20:32:22]

ross:

well i can only program with a hammer and that usually sends it the kill signal

[20:32:54]

awalls:

ross: in the latest log you pasted I don't see a hung process.

[20:33:07]

awalls:

I assume you didn't try to remove the module then?

[20:33:23]

Nidhoegger:

what module makes problems?

[20:33:24]

ross:

no i didn t but it is hung

[20:33:38]

ross:

lirc

[20:33:45]

awalls:

What is hung? Mythfrontend?

[20:33:49]

Nidhoegger:

which?

[20:33:53]

Nidhoegger:

lirc_igorplugusb?

[20:33:55]

ross:

no the remote

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ross:

the remotedreiver lirc-mceusb is hung

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Nidhoegger:

ross, did you solder that piece yourself?

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ross:

no it s teh original reciever from mce

[20:35:07]

Nidhoegger:

usb i guess?

[20:35:15]

Nidhoegger:

yes

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ross:

yup i got a bunch of those and all of em do it

[20:35:26]

Nidhoegger:

erm, i had a similar problem

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Nidhoegger:

with lirc_igorplugusb

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ross:

how you fix it

[20:35:44]

Nidhoegger:

well it was very funny, it was the isolation of the USB cable ;)

[20:35:52]

ross:

0.0

[20:35:54]

Nidhoegger:

i soldered a more well isolated to the receiver, and it worked :D

[20:36:11]

ross:

well i can change the wire

[20:36:30]

ross:

it got a plug like a printer or scanner

[20:36:38]

Nidhoegger:

i used the one of my IcyBox, they are very well isolated

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ross:

if thats teh problem i be pissed

[20:36:53]

Nidhoegger:

but module unloading with usb lirc modules is btw not possible

[20:37:12]

ross:

lemme grab another usb cable

[20:37:13]

Nidhoegger:

and it returnes huge errors if you just unplug the usb module

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Nidhoegger:

*-module+cable

[20:37:40]

Nidhoegger:

if you remove the device, youll first be able to use it again after a reboot

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Nidhoegger:

ah and btw, the lirc usb modules are way buggy, ive just bought a serial receiver, since then im very happy *gg*

[20:39:36]

clever:

Nidhoegger: i baught a serial receiver on the web a few years back, it still hasnt arrived...

[20:39:53]

Nidhoegger:

atric?

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clever:

diff site

[20:40:23]

Nidhoegger:

ah okay

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ross:

thast some long shipping times there

[20:40:44]

clever:

Nidhoegger: http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section . . . Name=circuit

[20:40:59]

ross:

ok i switched teh reciever and c able lets see

[20:41:10]

Nidhoegger:

ross, remember to reboot

[20:41:15]

ross:

i am

[20:41:23]

Nidhoegger:

ah ok

[20:41:28]

ross:

well i can t build a serial one i have no serial port

[20:41:40]

Nidhoegger:

serial port PCI card?

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Nidhoegger:

clever, you dont need to buy that, buy the pieces in a electronic store and solder it

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ross:

GAH it hangs againafter 3 clicks

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clever:

Nidhoegger: even pci slots are going extinct

[20:42:04]

Nidhoegger:

i just wanted one with on/off function

[20:42:13]

knightrage_:

hey guys. my mythtv is fullscreen, but my gnome panels are still on top of it (making it hard to see the buttons for configuring, etc). how do i make it either on top of the gnome panels or have the window be a little smaller?

[20:42:21]

clever:

Nidhoegger: cant find the main ir receiver/decoder ic

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ross:

this really blows

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Nidhoegger:

what?

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Nidhoegger:

clever what IC?

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ross:

even with a new cable and reciever same issue after 2–3 clicks the remote stops working

[20:43:22]

Nidhoegger:

did it stop working in lirc/mythtv or in mode2?

[20:43:22]

clever:

Nidhoegger: the tsop-1738 in http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section . . . Name=circuit

[20:43:27]

clever:

Nidhoegger: something similar to that

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Nidhoegger:

mom

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Nidhoegger:

they are called different, let me check my piecebox, brb

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ross:

i dunno where it stopped if you want you can ssh into the box and look around

[20:44:52]

Nidhoegger:

i used the TSOP 31238

[20:45:01]

Nidhoegger:

its an 38kHz receiver

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ross:

should i file a bug with that ??

[20:45:04]

Nidhoegger:

should work

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clever:

Nidhoegger: yep that the part i cant find

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Nidhoegger:

ross i can look if you want

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ross:

sure is there something like a seperate convo

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Nidhoegger:

clever, i find it instantly on reichelt.de (german supply site)

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clever:

Nidhoegger: i was refering to local stores

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ross:

well reichelt has everything hehe

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Nidhoegger:

but a TSOP shouldnt be a problem o_O

[20:46:48]

Nidhoegger:

where do you live?

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Nidhoegger:

country?

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clever:

Nidhoegger: nb canada

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clever:

canada :P

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ross:

us here

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Nidhoegger:

^^

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Nidhoegger:

if it was in europe i would have shipped it to you *gg*

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ross:

but i m from germany

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Nidhoegger:

ah cool

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Nidhoegger:

y you live in canada?

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ross:

hell no

[20:48:09]

Nidhoegger:

erm i mean us

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ross:

usa i moved here 7 years ago

[20:48:41]

Nidhoegger:

how well can you read german?=

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ross:

fluent

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Nidhoegger:

http://blackstrom.derschwarz.de/avr/vdr_ir_ei . . . /index.shtml here is a very cheap IR Receiver with on/off functionality for the serial port

[20:49:20]

ross:

ich komm aus dortmund man

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Nidhoegger:

kann passieren *gg*

[20:49:58]

ross:

haha

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ross:

anyways if yo want you can have a look at the box convo me and i give you ip and login

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Nidhoegger:

clever dont you have a store that sells electronics?

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clever:

Nidhoegger: radio shack used to have alot, but then 'the source' bought out the chain

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ross:

yeah radio shack really sucks they only carry junk now

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clever:

its not even called radio shack up in canada

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ross:

so if you re looking for cheap crap look no further

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ross:

heh it s still radio shack here but no more electronic parts

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wagnerrp:

they usually have the back wall (of a long and narrow store) for such parts

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ross:

here in my area they only carry crap

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youre not going to find anything more than you would in your average hardware sore

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ross:

yup

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wagnerrp:

just bulk wire and connectors

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wagnerrp:

with the occasional crimp tool or circuit tester

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clever:

yeah thats about it

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ross:

i ve seen some crappy soldering irons there before

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wagnerrp:

not really sure what would make a soldering iron 'crappy'

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wagnerrp:

i mean anything with a plug, a handle, and a pointy end is adequate

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Nidhoegger:

not anything :D

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clever:

wagnerrp: if the tip is too blunt, its only good for stabbing:P

[21:04:03]

clever:

you need a fine tip for the smaller chips

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wagnerrp:

unless its so low wattage it cant actually solder

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clever:

that too

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wagnerrp:

and even a blunt iron can be sanded down

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Dagmar:

Not true

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Dagmar:

A blunt tip is good for turning otherwise useful circuits into misshapen lumps of useless slag.

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wagnerrp:

blunt tip + file = fine tip

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clever:

and what about the chrome/whatever platting to keep the cheaper inner metal from coroding?

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[R]:

wtf... mythfilldatabase ran a million times today

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[R]:

what did i configure wrong?

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Nidhoegger:

LOL

[21:11:20]

Nidhoegger:

cronjob every 2 secs?

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[R]:

its run from the backend

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clever:

Nidhoegger: cron doesnt go that low

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Nidhoegger:

hmmm dont know

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Nidhoegger:

maybe custom crondaemon :D

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[R]:

it ran at midnight, at 3 am, at 6am, at 9 am, at noon, and 3pm

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Nidhoegger:

thats not a million times..

[21:13:28]

mazda01:

using mythtv 0.22.0+fixes22991–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3 and am hoping i can get ATI Remote Wonder to work with it. Any problems for anyone else?

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wagnerrp:

clever: just means you need to take a couple seconds with the file or sandpaper every couple uses

[21:14:09]

wagnerrp:

and youre still going to get plenty of life out of a $5 iron before you wear down the tip completely

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clever:

wagnerrp: and after 20 uses, there will be nothing left to the tip:P

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wagnerrp:

nah, ive had mine for about four years now

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clever:

it would be alot less work to get a proper iron, or atleast one with replaceable tips

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wagnerrp:

using it maybe once a wek

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Hilikus:

what tables do i need to restore the links between mythtv and the actual recorded episodes

[21:25:20]

Hilikus:

the available episodes that is

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Wicked:

hmm. it seems mythweather doenst seem to find any nearby cities for me. ive made sure the scripts are installed and i have the right perl modules installed and also that the scripts are chmod'ed correctly like the wiki says....but i cannot find any cities that are relatively close to me

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Nidhoegger:

maybe you live in the outback?

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Nidhoegger:

and there simply ARE no citys :D

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Wicked:

hehe. nah. im east coast usa in massachusetts

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Hilikus_:

sorry

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Hilikus_:

what tables do i need to restore to be able to watch recorded episodes? my DB died

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clever:

Hilikus_: could try just restoring all of them

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Hilikus_:

i don't want to restore settings or the current guide data

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clever:

Hilikus_: then skip the settings and program tables

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Hilikus_:

can't i instead of start skippnig tables, add the ones i want? i also want to skip mythweb, mythnews, etc

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clever:

mythweb doesnt really have a table of its own

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Hilikus_:

i just need to know what tables are related to playing recorded episodes. is this info available anywhere?

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Hilikus_:

i'm thinknig recorded*

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Hilikus_:

but it might be missing stuff

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clever:

recorded has the bulk of that info

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clever:

record is your scheduling rules

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Hilikus_:

don't i also need recordedcredits, recordedprogram, ...

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clever:

not sure what those are

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ross:

well i messed around with the remotes a bit

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ross:

and aperantly it has to do with what kind of remote you use

[22:13:20]

ross:

i m clicking away like hell and hasn t crashed yet

[22:16:12]

ross:

itr s unbelievable that the damn remote i was using cashes the ir reciever

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kormoc:

unbelievable? It's a chunk of software that didn't gracefully handle a signal it never intended to receive/process. What's so unbelievable about it?

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ross:

well it s a damn infrared remote

[22:19:18]

ross:

cheap mce knockoffs

[22:19:34]

ross:

now i m using a original mce remote control

[22:19:37]

ross:

and its working

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kormoc:

So? Doesn't change the fact that some human had to code up a case for that error, what's so hard to believe that someone didn't consider it?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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ross:

well when i compared both ir stream i found out the knockoff actually sends some other crap with it then the original mce remote

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ross:

so my guess is this stuff in the ir code causes the crash of the whole kernel module

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ross:

so this would solve all the crap with the mce ir reciever not working for many others

[22:23:28]

ross:

it s not the reciever it s the remote

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kormoc:

All the crap eh?

[22:24:23]

ross:

yup that pisses me off

[22:25:08]

ross:

3 days of fiddeling around with it

[22:25:28]

ross:

and then it s a software issue in teh remote

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kormoc:

Really? I couldn't tell with the whole breaking channel rules multiple times bit and the ranting and all that jazz

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ross:

ah i see you re one of those

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kormoc:

Developer? Channel op?

[22:27:48]

ross:

dungeon keeper in mommys basement??

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

no so much that last one

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ross:

i merely tried to explain to the ppl that tried to help me earlyer what the problem was

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kormoc:

but hey, nothing like showing respect to the volunteers by disrespecting the rules

[22:29:01]

kormoc:

sure, but none of that required swearing

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ross:

that wasn t swearing

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kormoc:

you have multiple times in the backlog

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[R]:

oh well... so much for my wake on usb fantasy :(

[22:29:46]

ross:

heh

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wagnerrp:

[R]: one of the rare few that doesnt have support?

[22:30:12]

ross:

but if it angers the channel god i try my best to not say it again

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kormoc:

ross: it is covered in the channel rules that it's not allowed in here

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ross:

usb?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: nah... if i have my usb ir receiver plugged in... it wake up immediately... if its not plugged in... it goes to sleep just fine

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kormoc:

ross: swearing

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manab23:

i'm sure my question is answered somewhere but i can't figure out how to phrase the question in the mailing list search. when watching live tv, i am forced to be 5 to 60 seconds (variable) behind the end of the recording. if i press forward, it won't le

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ross:

oh

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and it'll only wake on usb from S3

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what else would you want it to wake from?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: S5

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kormoc:

manab23: that's the nature of our recording architecture, you can't 'fix' it

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wagnerrp:

technically thats not wake

[22:31:35]

wagnerrp:

thats boot-on-USB

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[R]:

lol

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ross:

wagnerrp: guess what the problem was on the mce ir reciever crashing

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[R]:

my desktop will wake on lan from S5

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manab23:

kormoc: okay, that's fine. thanks!

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wagnerrp:

[R]: like i said earlier, its the better part of a minute faster, at a cost of a couple dollars a year

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[R]:

yeah i know

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[R]:

but it won't do S3

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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[R]:

so its pretty irrelevent

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jpabq:

Odd. I just noticed my system was not recording the football game. Bring up the "Upcomming" list shows the game with a status of "Will Record". Since they game started an hour ago, that obviously is not true. Restarting mythbackend got it recording, but it is annoying to think myth may not record something important.

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[R]:

although i suppose if i disabled wake on usb

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[R]:

S3 would probably work

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wagnerrp:

manab23: you should be able to get to within about 3 seconds behind live, plus whatever the latency of devices in your recording chain are

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wagnerrp:

bleh....

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[R]:

jpabq: errors in the log?

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ross:

kormoc: i got one for you how can i make mythtv delete the recordings that are not used after changing the channel

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wagnerrp:

ross: you dont, you let the auto-expire after a few days

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jpabq:

[R], none, and that is with '-v channel,record'. It looks like the event was never triggered at all.

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kormoc:

ross: live tv? They auto delete after 24 hours or expire first if you run out of room sooner

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[R]:

jpabq: weird

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jpabq:

yeah.

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ross:

so it won t clutter up teh whole hdd

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kormoc:

ross: if you switch the display filter to live tv, you could delete them that way as well (works in mythweb as well)

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kormoc:

ross: the idea is that it won't, aye

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ross:

oh kk got ya

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wagnerrp:

ross: mythtv is set up to leave a minimum of 10GB of free space available on the drive

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ross:

i guess i have to stick a bigger drive in it then

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wagnerrp:

that is a userdefinable limit

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ross:

i see

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wagnerrp:

if it gets closer than that, you start auto-expiring recordings

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ross:

ah cool

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ross:

i like that ide

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ross:

a

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ross:

i also love the fact that i can have a backend and a rontend

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wagnerrp:

generally you dedicate a drive/partition to mythtv recordings

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wagnerrp:

so you can prevent it from overrunning other files

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ross:

i do?

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ross:

heh

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ross:

didn t know that

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wagnerrp:

and that 10GB is enough allowance that myth will delete a previous recording to prevent running out of space on a new recording

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ross:

that would be user defined partitioning

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ross:

or i could mount that hdd in the recording folder huh

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wagnerrp:

that would be, youre expected to have multiple drives when using mythtv

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wagnerrp:

most people end up with a small root drive, and then several larger drives for bulk storage

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wagnerrp:

or at least a 20GB or so root partition

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ross:

i see

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wagnerrp:

you ABSOLUTELY do not want to run out of free space on whatever holds your mysql database

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ross:

but i could also mount say a 1 tb drive in teh recording folder

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt do any good, because myth only records to the root of the folder

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ross:

oh

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wagnerrp:

you would simply mount the drive somewhere else

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kormoc:

and add it to the storage group and all is well

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wagnerrp:

and add that mount point as another folder in the recording storage group

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ross:

so how would i go with adding a 1 tb drive

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kormoc:

^^

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wagnerrp:

you can add multiple independent folders to a single storage group

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ross:

i don t even know what a storage group is

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will load balance between them

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ross:

nor where to find it

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wagnerrp:

a 'storage group' is that last thing you filled out in mythtv-setup when installing mythtv

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ross:

hmm i honestly wasn t paying too much attention

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup, item 6

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wagnerrp:

where you told mythtv where to record to

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ross:

o.0

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ross:

heh

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ross:

it told itself hehe

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wagnerrp:

unless your distro has some other setup dialog that bypasses that

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not set any defaults for that

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ross:

well i run mythbuntu

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ross:

plug and play

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ross:

very convienient

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ross:

oh and noob friendly hehe

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ross:

but i m always willing to learn how to do it right

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wagnerrp:

fun... no wonder my systems havent been rebooting

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wagnerrp:

some gentoo update overwrote my changes to the init scripts to prevent shutting down the network interface

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wagnerrp:

so the interface goes down, i lose disk access, and then it seizes up

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ross:

o.0

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[R]:

i hate that

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wagnerrp:

they also seem to have taken the nfsroot stuff out of the shutdown script

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what theyre using instead

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ross:

i wonder what a nfsroot shutdown script is

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wagnerrp:

do you know what nfs is?

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ross:

great racing game??

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ross:

j/k

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wagnerrp:

network file system

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ross:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

nfsroot is when your root file system exists on a NFS share

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wagnerrp:

rather than on some local disk

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ross:

oh man so you booting from the network??

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wagnerrp:

so if you kill ethernet, you take down NFS as well, and you lose access to the files necessary to continue shutting down

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ross:

yeah that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

there used to be a little if clause that would exit out of the network shutdown script if it detected you were running nfsroot

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ross:

so you wanna shutdown ethernet last

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wagnerrp:

no, you just dont do it at all

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ross:

i see

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wagnerrp:

leave it up right until you trip the power

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ross:

so you booting from a network source

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wagnerrp:

yes, i only have two machines in the house that boot non-windows from a local disk

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ross:

i tried to set that up a couple times but never succeded

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wagnerrp:

the server, and my laptop... the rest are diskless

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ross:

yeah thats nice i d love to have that but i m too stupid to figure out how it works

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu should do it practically automatically

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ross:

boot diskless?

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu has some automated LTSP setup tool

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ross:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

has for a year or two

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ross:

well like i said i m too dumb to do it

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ross:

but i did sleep in the holiday in express last night hahaha

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ross:

didn t help though

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ross:

i rely on howtos

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wagnerrp:

http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless

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wagnerrp:

although that seems to be a bit aged

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ross:

heh

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ross:

well it should be basically the same for 9.10

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wagnerrp:

should != will

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[R]:

its about the same

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wagnerrp:

speaking of w-o-usb... i need to get that set back up

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wagnerrp:

i never did so after reinstalling a couple months ago

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ross:

w o usb ??? whats that

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wagnerrp:

wake-on-

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wagnerrp:

the thing [R] has been struggling with for a while now

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ross:

oh

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ross:

why you guys let it go into standby anyways

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wagnerrp:

because we dont need it running?

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ross:

hmm good point

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh... another reason wake on usb woudn't work for me... i want my backend to shutdown

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[R]:

suspend to ram*

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ross:

you know what i noticed teh pic on the tv has the blue shifted to the right

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wagnerrp:

stop moving towards it

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therealgalen:

Anybody around here using an nVidia Ion platform frontend? I'm thinking about getting one, but I'd like to know a bit about any limitations / gotchas involved...

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ross:

?

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[R]:

therealgalen: none?

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[R]:

therealgalen: flash doesnt' work?

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wagnerrp:

its being blue-shifted, so stop moving towards it... astronomy joke

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ross:

hahaha

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ross:

well the ir recieve just kicked teh bucket again

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: the only real issue is if you have content that VDPAU is not happy with, youre pretty much SOL for decoding in software

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: what kind of content isn't?

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therealgalen:

[R]: I don't think flash is relevant to me. I am wondering about any limits with 1080i deinterlacing options, or any significant annoyances that might tend to occur in regular use...

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[R]:

therealgalen: well the wiki explains what types of deinterlacinng are availbe

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wagnerrp:

anything divx/xvid (although usually that will be standard def and sufficiently low bitrate that the atom can handle it)

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[R]:

it looks just fine to me

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wagnerrp:

improperly encoded h264

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wagnerrp:

anything with errors

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[R]:

the nvidia 190 drivers are gettin much better at handling spouts of corruption

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therealgalen:

[R]: the wiki doesn't say what happens if I use advanced 2x deinterlcing...

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[R]:

therealgalen: you can't

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU has gotten a lot better in that regard

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wagnerrp:

but its still not nearly as robust as libav

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: good point on the xvid, although that's not an issue for me, I hadn't thought about that potential concern

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[R]:

i watch low res crap sd xvid all the time

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: what do you mean 'what happens'?

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[R]:

never had a problem

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: does 1080i playback fine with advanced 2x deinterlacing?

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wagnerrp:

on an ION? no

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt have the power for it

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wagnerrp:

youll manage maybe 45fps, on 60fps content

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wagnerrp:

so everything will be going in slow motion

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therealgalen:

are there any comparisons of advanced versus temporal deinterlacing?

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[R]:

therealgalen: whatever it does support... works just fine

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[R]:

mmm... mythweb doesn't say 720 vs 1080

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[R]:

hrm... odd... i could have sworn i saw a little 720 icon at the bottom of my recordings screen, but now i don't

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wagnerrp:

oof... forgot to update mythweb

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: where do you find improperly encoded h.264? And do you mean improperly encoded as in... too high a profile.. or improperly encoded as in, invalid bitstream.

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: profiles have names, and as such cannot be 'too high'

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wagnerrp:

either VDPAU supports it, or it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

youre thinking of 'levle's

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wagnerrp:

'levels'

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wagnerrp:

of which VDPAU supports up to 4.1

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wagnerrp:

it will attempt to play whatever you throw at it, regardless of the level it claims it is

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wagnerrp:

but if it actually exceeds the limits of 4.1, in terms of bitrate, macroblockrate, reference frame count, etc.... bad things will happen

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wagnerrp:

i have some old DVD rips i made that only play the key frames

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therealgalen:

Alright, although I don't think I will have an issue with x264 encoded content 1080p or less

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: oh, but you will

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wagnerrp:

these were dvd rips

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: really?

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wagnerrp:

improperly encoded, because i didnt know what i was doing at the time

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therealgalen:

Too many macroblocks?

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wagnerrp:

anything broadcast (over DVB), or get off an HDPVR should work fine

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wagnerrp:

no, too many reference frames

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wagnerrp:

the decoder didnt have sufficient buffer to store all the reference frames

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wagnerrp:

so it crashed, and only displayed the last available frame

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therealgalen:

Does allocating more RAM for video purposes in the BIOS help?

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wagnerrp:

you used to want 512MB, but i think mythtv is happy with 256MB

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therealgalen:

I really appreciate this information... it really shapes my decisions here

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therealgalen:

Does VDPAU on higher end hardware have less issues with reference frames?

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wagnerrp:

there are three revisions of VDPAU compatible hardware

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wagnerrp:

its that revision that matters for decoding

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wagnerrp:

card performance only makes a difference for deint

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wagnerrp:

rev.1 is anything after G80 up to G96

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wagnerrp:

rev.2 is G98 (which is what the ION gear has)

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wagnerrp:

rev.3 is the GT2xx hardware

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wagnerrp:

rev.2 gets hardware entropy decoding of VC1

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wagnerrp:

rev.3 gets hardware decoding of divx, and some improved video scalers

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therealgalen:

would a rev 3 (VP4) card handle h.264 with a high number of reference frames?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

theyre all designed for L4.1, specifically bluray playback

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason to set the bar higher than that

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therealgalen:

what's the determining factor on being able to use advanced 2x deinterlacing?

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wagnerrp:

8600/9500/GT220 or above

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Dagmar:

Heaping piles of CPU

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Dagmar:

or that

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wagnerrp:

s/CPU/GPU/

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high-rez:

I don't understand the question of less issues with reference frames.. I don't have /any/ issues with references frames, I believe all hardware that supports VDPAU also supports upto 16 references frames as long as you have enough GPU RAM for it, no?

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wagnerrp:

well then perhaps it was some weird b-frame structure that decoder didnt like

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high-rez:

I'm using advanced 2x on my ionitx with 1080i h264 without a problem...

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therealgalen:

my concern is essentially eliminating the possibility that i will end up with h.264 1080p content that doesn't play properly

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therealgalen:

and also ensuring that I can use advanced 2x deinterlacing with mpeg-2 1080i (off air ATSC) can be employed

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high-rez:

Does progressive contenet actually need to be deinterlaced? :/

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: no, it does not

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therealgalen:

high-rez: I have a mix of content... 1080i MPEG-2 and 1080p H.264

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wagnerrp:

doing so would merely make the video look funky

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: you can do it because youre a DVB user

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Ahh, lower bit rate?

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wagnerrp:

the 9400M is right on the limit of pulling of adv2x at 1080i, so running 50fps instead of 60fps makes the difference

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therealgalen:

Ah!

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therealgalen:

This makes sense...

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therealgalen:

Hmm, I wonder if I could get a BIOS that lets me overclock the GPU ;)

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high-rez:

I think most nvidia cards allow overclocking

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wagnerrp:

erm, no... youre in canada?

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[R]:

i think the newest ionitx bios have an option for it

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high-rez:

infact, I think the nvidia tool has builtin overclocking

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wagnerrp:

you should be running 60fps

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high-rez:

i fried a video card using that once. :)

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high-rez:

whose that to?

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: what country are you in

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high-rez:

The US. I get a lot of overseas content though, so it could be the case that it was encoded with a lower frame rate. ;)

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wagnerrp:

nevermind

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therealgalen:

I'm thinking for my absolute satisfaction, I really need a 9500 plus a system with a CPU fast enough to handle 1080p h.264 decoding in the event I have problems with VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

the ION only manages 33 fields/sec using spacial-temporal deint (advanced 2x)

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wagnerrp:

do you shouldnt be able to use it

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: where are you getting those stats?

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wagnerrp:

the 9500gt is needed, at 82 fields/sec on the same test

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therealgalen:

Is there any quality difference between VDPAU and software decoding?

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high-rez:

I don't know. I had to tune something, hack some buffer settings or something to get it to work right.

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wagnerrp:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136326

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ross:

you guys know criminally much about all this stuff

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: yep, looking at a 9500 GT

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[R]:

i know some people like to use software for decoding the vdpau for the other stuff that needs to be done

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: The truth is, I haven't actually tried myth on my ionitx (i have it on a quad core proc not doing vdpau). I was able to get that performance using xine+vdpau on the ionitx, but I had to hack the .xine/config to configure some buffer settings before it would play without frame drops.

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high-rez:

I just assumed the same would be true of myth. I should give it a try i suppose.

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therealgalen:

does mythtv support multi-threaded h.264 decoding of non-sliced h.264 content?

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[R]:

therealgalen: no

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wagnerrp:

not yet

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wagnerrp:

the next ffmpeg sync will probably bring that

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[R]:

the code has been written?

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[R]:

i thought it was still WIP

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therealgalen:

[R]: I use it daily

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wagnerrp:

it still is

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt expect it to make it in for 0.23, if there is a sync before then

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wagnerrp:

maybe for 0.24

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Dagmar:

Man this gets funnier by the minute

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Dagmar:

The firmware update tool from Seagate basically just told me to go screw myself because it wanted a Maxtor disk, not a Seagate one.

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therealgalen:

are there any comparative benchmarks between intel and amd cpus testing ffmpeg h.264 decoding?

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therealgalen:

Dagmar: call Seagate and beg nicely and they'll RMA your disk for a nice Seagate model if your Maxtor disk is causing problems

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[R]:

thread: what kind of h264

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wagnerrp:

he HAS a seagate disk

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wagnerrp:

its asking for a maxtor

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ross:

well go and buy a crappy maxtor then hehe

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Dagmar:

therealgalen: It's not a Maxtor disk. It's a _Seagate_ disk

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therealgalen:

Dagmar: apparently i am dyslexic

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wagnerrp:

lysdexic?

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ross:

isn t seagate and maxtor the same?

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ross:

exept the quality

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: I'll run that testing tool on my ion setup. Honestly, I'm able to do 1080i h264 with 60fps and no frame drops on it w/xine.

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Dagmar:

therealgalen: You couldn't possibly be any worse than the engineers at Maxtor

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Dagmar:

I will never buy another damn Seagate drive again

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therealgalen:

Dagmar: I am well aware of the Maxtor issues...

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Dagmar:

They blew it

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ross:

maxtor has engeniers??

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Dagmar:

ross: No one said they were good engineers

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therealgalen:

Well, reasonable facsimiles thereof...

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ross:

heh i stopped buying maxtor or seagate years ago

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Dagmar:

or literate

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therealgalen:

I had a batch of disks experience 110% failure over the first 2 years

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therealgalen:

Then I got Seagate to replace them with Seagates...

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Dagmar:

I am feeling a little betrayed here. I don't buy Maxtor ever because their disks are practically disposable

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ross:

thats longer them mine lasted

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ross:

2 month max

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high-rez:

Dagmar: Every drive company screws up at some point. Remember when IBM was top notch till they released the deathstas?

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Dagmar:

I know Seagate bouhgt them, but I'm astonished to see that apparently this disk was made the idiots in the Maxtor side of the house

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Dagmar:

...which explains why it's so retarded

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ross:

well maxtor was always bad

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Dagmar:

high-rez: Dude, Maxtor has _always_ been "special"

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: ive still got a couple maxtor 300GBs running, remnants from an array from 4-years ago

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Dagmar:

Year after year, Maxtor has managed to put out fatally flaky model after fatally flaky model

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ross:

yo have to turn the arrayu on to see it break

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high-rez:

Dagmar: I'll agree, I've always avoided maxtor. I think seagate is selling maxtor as its value line now?

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Dagmar:

...and this has gone on since before 2000

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Dagmar:

high-rez: Rather obviously.

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high-rez:

Personally, I always try to use WD drives – or back in the day fujitsus when they had their "no execuses" policy.

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Dagmar:

This drive exhibits a typical Maxtor-style issue. It's SMART reporting data is horribly incorrect

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high-rez:

Fujitsu replaced a drive for me that I dropped down a flight of stairs. :)

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Dagmar:

It's reporting 1433 unrecoverable sectors, and, um, about a JILLION read errors

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ross:

sounds like a real maxtor

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Dagmar:

You can GOogle it up and see that it's a lame firmware issue, not an actual disk failure

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Dagmar:

I downloaded the bootable ISO firmware updater, and apparently it doesn't like, you know, *Seagate* disks.lol

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ross:

heh i wouldn t liek seagate either

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Dagmar:

I had to open the damn machine and rejumper the IDE bus to disable the WD IDE disk to even get this far

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Dagmar:

So now I guess I'm going to try letting Windows 7 do it

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therealgalen:

Does MythTV fallback from VDPAU to software h.264 decoding transparently?

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Dagmar:

If that fails, I have a spare Western DIgital green 500 I'm about to deploy in it's place with extreme prejudice

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: only if vdpau outright cannot play that format

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wagnerrp:

if vdpau will make an attempt to play it, you will end up with garbage

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therealgalen:

does the use (or not) of vdpau affect GPU de-interlacing performance?

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high-rez:

But you can create playback profiles to say use gpu vs cpu based on different conditions..

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wagnerrp:

'unfortunately, to our great disappointment, black mesa will not make a 2009 release'

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wagnerrp:

well that sucks

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iamlindoro:

yeah :(

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iamlindoro:

Hopefully early in 2010, but all bets off now

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high-rez:

What's black mesa?

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wagnerrp:

www.blackmesasource.com

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wagnerrp:

ever play the original halflife?

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high-rez:

Oh yeah

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high-rez:

didn't valve release half-life 1 using the source engine but with the original crappy textures ?

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wagnerrp:

its a community-made rewrite

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high-rez:

neato

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ross:

black mesa is some hot shit

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ross:

hahaha

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ross:

thats good

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wagnerrp:

'half life source' was little more than a quick hackjob to get halflife 1 running

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iamlindoro:

ross, swearing free zone

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ross:

oh right i just quoted from teh blackmesa website

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wagnerrp:

BMS is a complete remake, using a modern engine

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high-rez:

Nice.

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high-rez:

I literally only turn on my windows machine when valve releases a new episode in the HL2 series.

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high-rez:

(which has been a real friggin long time)

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high-rez:

Close the door, put the wife on ignore, and play all the way through.

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wagnerrp:

completely remade new maps, textures, models, sounds, professional voice acting, etc...

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high-rez:

I never played the original, and when i got it with hl2, i only played a little bit but got annoyed because the textures were so bad.

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ross:

oh man your wife has a ignore button???

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high-rez:

ross: i have selective hearing. ;)

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ross:

haha

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wagnerrp:

those textures looked great in 1997

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ross:

i always thought women have 3 buttons

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high-rez:

I play a game once or twice a year. We have agreement that I get to play the games infrequently, but when I do, I get to concentrate on them fully...

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ross:

on ..sex...off

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therealgalen:

once again... does the use (or not) of VDPAU affect the deinterlacing performance?

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ross:

though tghe off button don t work half the time

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU deint is run on the GPU, non-VDPAU deint is done on the CPU

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wagnerrp:

theyre completely different deint filters

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