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Thursday, December 31st, 2009, 00:00 AST

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wagnerrp:

2TB

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wagnerrp:

i technically *could* use FAT32, but then ive still got the same restrictions, and a POS filesystem to boot

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sphery:

I love how they make the default fs on most all external drives FAT32--then you try to copy a recording on there to take on the road with you and it won't work :)

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sphery:

(unless it's a tiny <2GiB file)

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wagnerrp:

4GB

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure its 4GB anyway

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wagnerrp:

i ran into that a couple weeks ago

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wagnerrp:

trying to rip some DVD image and copy it over to my uncle's external drive, so he could use it on his drive-less netbook

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wagnerrp:

WTF, theres 80GB free on this drive, what do you mean it cant hold a 6GB image

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sphery:

ah, yeah, 4GiB

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sphery:

2GiB on FAT16

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wagnerrp:

so now what do i do with an old 300GB PATA

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wagnerrp:

and for some reason this disk wont work over esata

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wagnerrp:

only through a sata/usb connector

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pembo13:

how can i manually updage the database Video schema from 1016 to 1028?

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wagnerrp:

you dont

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wagnerrp:

you let mythfrontend do so

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: so... can i at least delete it?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: wel it isn't

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pembo13:

"cannot upgrade video database scehma. exiting"

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wagnerrp:

at what revision?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: it's from ATRPMs i have no way of telling the release

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pembo13:

Source RPM: mythtv-0.22–223.el5

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pembo13:

can i at least remove the tables and let it create them again?

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wagnerrp:

schema revision

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pembo13:

welll i assumed the schema revision was 1016

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wagnerrp:

it will tell you 'whatever has failed updating from 1016 to 1017' or something like that

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pembo13:

.. wanting to be upgraded to 1028

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wagnerrp:

post the logs

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pembo13:

yah, that was my first message

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: where do i take the logs from ? the messages printed by frontend?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, whatever gets spat out to the terminal

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pembo13:

just a sec, will have to redirect it to this machine

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wagnerrp:

no you dont, just run mythfrontend, let it error, and kill it

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to see the GUI for anything

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pembo13:

mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server

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wagnerrp:

is X running on that machine?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: yes, but i am not on the machine

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wagnerrp:

running from the same user as you are trying to run mythfrontend as?

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pembo13:

nope

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wagnerrp:

su into that user, and then do 'DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend'

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pembo13:

i had alredy tried ssh -X, that didn't work

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pembo13:

just a sec

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kormoc:

ssh -Y

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wagnerrp:

youre going to use the local X server

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pembo13:

wilget the output

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pembo13:

i just redirected mythfrontend to a text file.. pasting..

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/d1c3f3926

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wagnerrp:

ok, for some reason you dont have a filemarkup

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wagnerrp:

that was supposed to be created for rev 1004... long time ago

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: well, i haven't yet messed with the scema

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: can i just create an empty table in its place?

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wagnerrp:

so.... dont run 'CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS filemarkup ( filename TEXT NOT NULL, mark MEDIUMINT UNSIGNED NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, offset BIGINT UNSIGNED, type TINYINT NOT NULL DEFAULT 0 );'

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wagnerrp:

one of the mysql gurus around?

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wagnerrp:

im trying to work back a create command through the schema update code

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wagnerrp:

and im not sure how to handle 'ALTER TABLE filemarkup ADD INDEX (filename(255));'

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iamlindoro:

much easier just to delete the mythvideo tables, remove the entry for videodbschemaver, and let it create the whole structure

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iamlindoro:

basically video*, dvd*, and filemarkup

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sphery:

here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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pembo13:

...catching up

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: if it's a create if not exists, why would it fail?

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iamlindoro:

yes, read the list post

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iamlindoro:

and do that

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sphery:

pembo13: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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pembo13:

sphery: yah got that, loading and reading

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wagnerrp:

well thats interesting... theres no code to 'create tables at current revision', it just starts from 1000 and works up

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sphery:

pembo13: it could fail (to work properly) if the table that exists uses the wrong structure

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, All the db code in myth does the same

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sphery:

if not exists checks only for object name, not structure

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wagnerrp:

i figured it one did it that way, they all did

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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sphery:

IMHO, we should never use IF NOT EXISTS

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sphery:

(for the reason mentioned above)

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pembo13:

sphery: the error was "Table 'mythtv_watson.filemarkup' doesn't exist"

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sphery:

that actually broke upgrade for several users who didn't drop a 0.22 DB before restoring a 0.21-fixes backup

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wagnerrp:

pembo13: basically, if filemarkup doesnt exist, who knows what else is missing that should be there

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sphery:

pembo13: ah, well, that's from something else, but once you do what that post says, all will work

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wagnerrp:

and theres no sense manually working through fifteen schema revisions if you cant do it on your own

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sphery:

oh, and restart mythfrontend after

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wagnerrp:

easier to wipe and start from scratch

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sphery:

exactly

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pembo13:

yah, reading

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sphery:

wagnerrp is saying what I wanted to say, but much more eloquently

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wagnerrp:

well i could have left the 'IF NOT EXISTS' off actually, considering we know it doesnt exist

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wagnerrp:

i had just started copy-pasting in the commands as i read through them

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pembo13:

one more Q, anyone happen to know what table/setting the mplayer command is stored in? took me a while to set it up properly last time

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wagnerrp:

its in the settings table

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pembo13:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, you should ONLY be using mplayer if the internal player is deficient in some manner for your content

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wagnerrp:

(in which case you should probably look into posting a ticket explaining said deficiency)

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: last i remember, mythvideo used mplayer to play videos, no?

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wagnerrp:

it has been the default until 0.22

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wagnerrp:

but the 'Internal' player has been available for several releases

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: ah, well will look into that

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wagnerrp:

and in fact is now required if you intend to use storage groups with mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

see the mythvideo 0.22 transition guide on the wiki

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: the only deficiency is a cheap tv which is 16:9 but shows upa s 4:3, so i use th emplayer setitng monitoraspect

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pembo13:

mplayer -stop-xscreensaver -aspect 4:3 -fs -zoom

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to correct for that in mythtv

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pembo13:

cool

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wagnerrp:

see the playback profiles in the frontend settings

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: thanks, will have to save this convo, can't work on this particualr frontend further right now

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Boblfoot:

Can I force a transcode – commercial detection from iwthin the frontend menu structure or must it be done at the CLI?

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wagnerrp:

hit 'i' and scroll to 'job queue'

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Boblfoot:

wagnerrp: hit 'i' in what menu area?

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wagnerrp:

the one where you see recordings

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Boblfoot:

wagnerrp: found it – Thanks

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wagnerrp:

well i just managed to break off half the clips holding my front bezel in place...

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[R]:

good?

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wagnerrp:

generally 'break' means 'bad'

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wagnerrp:

i also seem to have two dead case fans, another failing, two dead GPU fans

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achandra:

hi guys. have the mythtv metadata pulling the correct images for my ripped iso videos, but when exiting out of watch videos and entering back in, they all disappear. Any ideas on how to fix this?

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wagnerrp:

are you possibly stuck in 'browse' mode?

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wagnerrp:

when in browse mode, you dont touch the database, and mythvideo effectively functions as a file manager

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achandra:

wagnerrp, how do i find out if im in browse mode? — newb here ;)

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achandra:

wagnerrp, ahhh yes..found it. thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just that 'enable file browse mode' in the 'm' menu

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wagnerrp:

had to pull up the frontend, i couldnt remember if that was in 'm' or 'i'

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achandra:

wagnerrp, ended up being in the m

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achandra:

wagnerrp, the other major question is how to remove the "? Storage groups" – Im using iso's so I dont want that showing up in the menu. Any way of removing that?

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wagnerrp:

dont know what that is, never seen that

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wagnerrp:

if thats some artifact from having storage groups defined, but nothing in them

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup, last option (storage groups), go into the Video group, and use 'd' to delete all entries within

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wagnerrp:

then restart frontend and backend

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achandra:

wagnerrp, yep that has got to be it....thanks

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achandra:

wagnerrp, thank you very much...tried to play with this for about an hour before getting some help...just should have logged in here ;)

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wagnerrp:

thats what were here for

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achandra:

wagnerrp, and i see you here quite a bit and extremely helpful...thanks again

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achandra:

wagnerrp++

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wagnerrp:

id say 2/3 of the people in this room are always in here

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wagnerrp:

(in that they never log off, just idle)

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[R]:

it seems like every sincve i got my new zotac... the spdif port stays "active" after i finish watching a recording

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[R]:

and i hear things coming from my speakers and my reciever shows it as "active"

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[R]:

but nothing is playing

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wagnerrp:

there shouldnt be anything coming from your speakers unless you have them cranked up above the noise floor on your amp

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wagnerrp:

since you wont be getting any analog noise from the computer

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[R]:

its not always

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[R]:

just sometimes

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[R]:

when its idle, the speakers aren't lit up on my reciever

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[R]:

but when its playing, they are

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wagnerrp:

alternatively... you could be picking up spurious radio signals

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[R]:

and sometimes after playing something, the speakers stay lit up

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wagnerrp:

i used to live under the med-evac flight path for a local hospital

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wagnerrp:

every so often, i would pick up radio chatter

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[R]:

its not noise in the traditional sense

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[R]:

its just random popping noises

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wagnerrp:

either that or i was getting stuff from the HAM down the street

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[R]:

i think it has to do with the way myth is closing and/or not closing the alsa

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[R]:

wow thats hilarious

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[R]:

i'm graphing my hard drive temperatures

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[R]:

it takes like 2 hours for them to get up to temperature

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt know, mine never turn off

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[R]:

i'm graphing interrupts

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achandra:

wagnerrp, btw..what is the difference between the browse mode and non that was mentioned earlier?

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[R]:

i need to figure out which interrupt the hdpvr is on and if its sharing with something else

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[R]:

that might have to do with why i was having sporadic failures

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wagnerrp:

achandra: the normal mode requires new content to be 'scanned' in, and then it displays content that exists in the database

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wagnerrp:

browse mode does not scanning, uses no database, and just is a straight file browser

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achandra:

okay — good to know. thanks

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the only strange things i see is a spike in temperature between around 2pm-7pm

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what are you using to graph?

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wagnerrp:

and even stranger, it only exists on two of the drives, one at the top of the stack, one at the bottom

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wagnerrp:

SNMP, rrdtool, and some custom python

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wagnerrp:

my raid card makes disk temperature available over the network

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[R]:

i'm just using some stupid script called monitorix

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[R]:

and it uses hddtemp

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/mrtg/raid/index.php

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[R]:

think you have enough drives?

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wagnerrp:

seems i need to shift the plotting limits

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wagnerrp:

the samsungs are off scale low

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[R]:

is the drop in the year graph because you don't have proper air conditioning?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: hey... one of those ports isnt actually filled

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, more that its shoved into a corner in the basement

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

i really need to work on my graphing system

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wagnerrp:

so the ambient air goes from an airconditioned ~75F, to a chilled ~50F

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[R]:

cuz i want something really sweet to show my two boxes

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[R]:

dare i ask why you are graphing them in fahreinheit?

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wagnerrp:

because i live in the US?

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[R]:

so do i

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[R]:

but computer temps are supposed to be in C

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wagnerrp:

why?

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[R]:

i dunno... because

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wagnerrp:

i could plot them in F for farfignewtons for all it matters

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wagnerrp:

whatever i can look at and most quickly interpret

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i would recommend looking into cacti for that sort of stuff

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wagnerrp:

i would be using it, i just havent gotten around to figuring out how to make custom data sets

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wagnerrp:

they never seem to turn out right

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[R]:

cacti always makes it seem way too complicated

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its currently telling me i have three processes running and no memory free on my SBE

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wagnerrp:

sounds like something that needs fixing

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[R]:

i found a guy online whos gonna give me some cheap ram

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[R]:

so my ram problems are gone

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what it is, but evilwm goes bad when its X server drops offline

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wagnerrp:

seems its been bad since last saturday

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wagnerrp:

only dropped some 4% load off the UPS though

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achandra:

wagnerrp, after ripping some of the videos either the video plays fast or the audio/video is not in sync. Any way to adjust that?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

not for ISOs anyway

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wagnerrp:

for more traditional media files, you may have a bad rip/encode

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achandra:

k. thanks brb

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i could have sworn i saw a ml post and/or ticket about livetv being shown as "in use" if a frontend crashes

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[R]:

but i can't find it now

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dubstar_04:

what method do people use for compressing dvd content? I have tried a number of options but not impressed with any of them

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MartinJT:

anyone know if there is a filesize limit on Storage Groups for MythVideo?

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GreyFoxx:

Nothing in the code

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MartinJT:

hmmm

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MartinJT:

can't seem to get a mkv to play... when all others do... and I've done them the same way... the only difference is the file size..

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MartinJT:

this one is 9.5GB

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MartinJT:

i'm getting RingBuf..... Warning: Peek() requested 2048 bytes, but only returning 0

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GreyFoxx:

Largest file I've played is 8 Gigs

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GreyFoxx:

but there is nothing in the SG/mythvideo code to limit the size that I've seen

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MartinJT:

any idea what that messsage means then? other than... it's requested 2048 and it's returned 0?

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MartinJT:

the file plays fine in Windoze...

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Fleck:

hey, how can i force osd not to change resulotion... after changing to some low resolution channel it is allmoust impossible to read anything on OSD :P

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MartinJT:

nevermind... permissions issue...

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MartinJT:

don't know why....

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MartinJT:

but chmod 777 did the trick

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GreyFoxx:

Fleck: Only way at the moment is to use wither the opengl renderer or the VDPAU renderer afaik

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xaxes:

hey there.. I have a question.. how to stop a record thats actually running.. i tried "d" on the program guide and got asked whether to delete the recording rule.. I choosed to, but the recording doesnt stop

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yalu:

happy new year!

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xaxes:

you too

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clever:

xaxes: go to the watch recordings window, and D there

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yalu:

I just tried to change the way mythtv sorts music (mythmusic plugin I guess ;) ). Now the first level in the tree has one item called "I dunno".

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xaxes:

thank you clever :)

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xaxes:

bye

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yalu:

I set the sorting to " ALBUM TITLE"

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yalu:

and somehow I am too stupid to restore it to the default argh

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justinh:

wow, the weight of whining on the -users list is heavy lately

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mag0o:

folks on vacation with nothing better to do?

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justinh:

rather disheartening if you ask me

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justinh:

heh big mistake asking users for opinions on the mythmusic rewrite

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mag0o:

lol

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sid3windr:

so what's everybody's new years resolution?

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sid3windr:

mine is 1920x1080

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sid3windr:

:>

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devinheitmueller:

sid3windr: 1920x1080 is for wussys. You need 2560x1600!

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sid3windr:

:)

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clever:

sid3windr: mine is 25x80!

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sid3windr:

not even 80x25?

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sid3windr:

did you rotate your monitor?

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clever:

might have it backwards :P

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sid3windr:

no, backwards would be 52x08

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clever:

X doesnt start by default

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Shadow__X:

machines that are thrown out have better specs

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clever:

Shadow__X: this is a c2d with vdpau support on the GPU :P

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clever:

and its on the 3rd mobo, maybe the thing should be thrown out...

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Fleck:

GreyFoxx how do i set opengl for OSD?

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Fleck:

vdpau kinda jerky here :/ dunno why

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MartinJT:

anyone know of any software that's been created to control a myth frontend via a windows mobile phone?

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MartinJT:

I remember reading somewhere that you can control frontends using a network remote protocol... so if there isn't anything already, I may take it on as a project...

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MartinJT:

i'm a .NET developer, don't know much about myth development (yet) but do want to get involved...

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clever:

MartinJT: mythtv has the 'telnet' interface which can easily replace a remote

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skd5aner:

MartinJT: there's a few things for the iPhone out there, most of them just use the telnet control

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket

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skd5aner:

Shouldn't be that hard to cook something up for Windows Mobile, but honestly – I see that as a dying platform given that it's two biggest users, Moto (which has completely disolved it's WM development) and HTC (which has invested over half of it's ongoing efforts with Android) have basically moved on

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skd5aner:

that said, my phone is still a WM5 phone, but probably moving on in the near future

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clever:

i was working on a telnet control program for palm

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clever:

but the bluetooth example wouldnt even compile

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skd5aner:

What I'd REALLY love to see, is some of that uPnP stuff put into place

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skd5aner:

UPnP Remote User Interface (RUI) client/server

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clever:

the telnet seems to have everything id need

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skd5aner:

but I'm sure that framework would really need to be extended within CORE myth first

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clever:

it can list recordings and let you play a certain one, without having to send down arrow 500 times

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clever:

that would easily let you put a PBB on the pda and scroll thru it

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skd5aner:

Well, the UPnP remote stuff is cool because it can update a remote interface in real time – think listening to music (current track progress, what other songs are on the album, album art, etc)

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clever:

that works thru telnet for normal playback, but not within plugins

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clever:

'query location'

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skd5aner:

ah – that's cool

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skd5aner:

Well – the big benefit to uPNP remote would be that it's an open standard – so if any device supported it, it would be usable with myth

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skd5aner:

maybe that means a little bit less flexibility than custom code design *for* myth, but still – would be nice with some of the third-party efforts being done in that space

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clever:

yeah thats the only reason for going with upnp

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skd5aner:

I would think some of the home automation stuff will go that way, like touchscreen wall controls, etc

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skd5aner:

I do think the telnet offering for Myth is pretty robust and complete – and if I recall correctly, it was the first commercially funded feature put into myth

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hertz8080:

Hi, I have a problem with autoexpire not using the wrong partition to determine the free space. I installed a new hard drive and mounted it to /media/data and then mounted /media/data/var/lib/mythtv/recordings on /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. But autoexpire checks my / for free space (and it is only a 10GB partition). Any idea how to fix this?

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hertz8080:

Oh, I also copied (cp -a) my partitions from the old drive to the new drive and change /etc/fstab to point to the new partitions.

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hertz8080:

I removed my old drive

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Fleck:

how do i set progressive video scan as default? image is flickering ;/

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Fleck:

or there is another way like deinterlace? how do i set one?

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HypNoMadic:

Hi – Is SPDIF traffic/communications just a one way flow? Or does the device on the other end of an SPDIF connection communicate back to the sound card?

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: You don't, and yes, you should modify your playback profile-- Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page 3, make sure you are using the "slim" playback profile and not "CPU++" or whatever else

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iamlindoro:

HypNoMadic: one way

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Fleck:

iamlindoro why slim is the best? i have CPU+ now... and why not vdpau?

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skd5aner:

hertz8080: why are you mounting a drive to /media/data, then mounting a subdirectory to /var/lib/...?

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: If you have a VDPAU capable card, you can feel free to experiment with the VDPAU profiles-- Slim is the best because 99.99% of people shouldn't be using CPU+, which is selected by default because of a settings bug

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: Slim is the most likely profile to work on the widest range of hardware-- your question is about making it work-- you should start with that, *then* experiment

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Fleck:

ok

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Fleck:

well works now too but image flickers fast...

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Fleck:

when i set to progresive – it's ok then! :)

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HypNoMadic:

iamlindoro: thanks

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Fleck:

but there are visible scan line then so i need deinterlace

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hertz8080:

skd5aner, because I also want to use it for backups

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: Setting to Progressive is not the answer, fixing your deinterlacing is

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iamlindoro:

and you're doing that by picking a proper playback profile

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iamlindoro:

all your are saying by calling it progressive (when it's not) is to not deinterlace

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iamlindoro:

which is why the flicker stops, since you have the wrong deinterlacer for your setup chosen

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Fleck:

yeah with slim there is no flickering anymore ;)

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** skd5aner can't decide which VDPAU card to get **

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Fleck:

another question – how can i see channel list? with up down i see only one channel – it's hard to find and pick in this way

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Fleck:

with s i can see more channels but i can't swith to selected, or i dunno how

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skd5aner:

Fleck: in which list?

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Fleck:

pressing S button on keyboard

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skd5aner:

Fleck: within the EPG, there is a setting to enable you to switch to a channel when it's highlighted

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skd5aner:

let me see if I can find it

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skd5aner:

Fleck" Allow channel jumping in guide"

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Fleck:

ok will try it oout ;) thanks guys

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skd5aner:

Not sure if that just allows you to enter the number and go to the channel, or if it allows you to enter the channel

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skd5aner:

I'm assuming you're talking about LiveTV correct?

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iamlindoro:

wrong setting

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iamlindoro:

"select changes channel" is what he wants

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skd5aner:

I thought it might be, yup – that's the one, thx

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: trying to find what menu that is in, any ideas?

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skd5aner:

I see "Change channels immediately without select" in the General menu of TV Settings

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skd5aner:

I have that unchecked

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skd5aner:

I think that's the one you want Fleck

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

The one I said is the one he wants

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iamlindoro:

Neither of the last two you have mentioned has to do with selecting a channel in the guide

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iamlindoro:

"allow channel jumping" allows you to type in a channel number while in the guide and it will jump to the entry in the guide, not change channel

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iamlindoro:

"change channels immediately without select" is while watching TV with no guide, and you type in a channel that is valid and don't press select, it will change directly to it

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Fleck:

no i need a way to see channel list... (more than one chan at a time) then select one i whant and view it ;)

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: So open the Guide

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Fleck:

ok then?

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iamlindoro:

MENU->Program Guide

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iamlindoro:

That's many more than one channel at a time

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Fleck:

yes

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Fleck:

and how do i switch to selected chan?

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iamlindoro:

SELECT

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iamlindoro:

OK/ENTER/etc.

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Fleck:

enter is not working

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iamlindoro:

Then you have an older revision than 22824

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iamlindoro:

So you either need to update, or activate the setting I've been mentioning for the last ten minutes

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iamlindoro:

"select changes channel"

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Fleck:

where is that setting?

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iamlindoro:

In the guide settings

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry, I can't find that setting...

[13:08:29]

iamlindoro:

and the full text is "Use select to change the channel in

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iamlindoro:

the program guide"

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skd5aner:

was just rying to find it...

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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skd5aner:

I'm on Program Guide 2/2 (.22-fixes)

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Because your revision is *newer* that 22824

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Shadow__X:

can you give me directions to that setting as if it was a cheat code? i think i could get it then

[13:09:09]

iamlindoro:

Up up down down left right left right B A Start

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Shadow__X:

ahh there it is

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skd5aner:

sweet unlimited mythtv lifes

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skd5aner:

anyway – don't sigh, just tyring to help, it's hard to tell someone about a setting that doesn't exist in the current released version of mythtv

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Fleck:

iamlindoro yes, thanks! :)

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It *does* exist in the released version of mythtv

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It does not exist in latest fixes

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Fleck:

i use mythbuntu desktop 9.10 amd64

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skd5aner:

understood

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: and I'm sighing because you are doing what the military would call "spray and pray"

[13:11:01]

skd5aner:

I'll go back into my hole

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: ie, you're firing out answers without knowing whether they work/what they do

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patdk-wk:

I think I'm doing something wrong but not sure what

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patdk-wk:

with 0.21 I had mythvideo files on upnp

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patdk-wk:

but since I upgraded to 0.22, I have nothing on upnp for videos

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Shadow__X:

:) isnt that the best way iamlindoro ? its not like they are paying for bullets

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patdk-wk:

can't seem to google for the right thing :(

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: However, you should really enable the nightly builds of Mythbuntu-- if you still have that option, your copy is pretty out of date and probably has some nasty bugs that have been fixed

[13:12:27]

Shadow__X:

do you want help on your inability to search google or your upnp issue?

[13:12:37]

patdk-wk:

both :)

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patdk-wk:

if I can find the result on google good, but I haven't been able to :)

[13:12:54]

MartinJT:

is there a known issue with .mkv subtitles and the myth internal player?

[13:13:13]

iamlindoro:

MartinJT: Issue? No. Are you asking if they're supported? Also no.

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Shadow__X:

patdk-wk: make sure your videos are settup properly

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iamlindoro:

patdk-wk: If you are using storage groups, that almost definitely isn't working with the uPnP server

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patdk-wk:

heh, setup properly? my mythfrontends play them

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patdk-wk:

not using storage groups

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patdk-wk:

I did read that :)

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MartinJT:

iamlindoro, i was asking if they're supported...

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patdk-wk:

I didn't upgrade to 0.22 cause I thought I had to use storage groups for video, but once I learned I didn't have to, I figured I would be good

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iamlindoro:

MartinJT: That's not what you asked. The answer is no, however.

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MartinJT:

i know, i know... it seems i've dropped into that other room we discussed last night ;)

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MartinJT:

is there a workaround at all?

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iamlindoro:

MartinJT: You're not being treated badly, you're just getting answer for the questions you asked, not the ones you thought

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iamlindoro:

MartinJT: No. You could submit a patch for it if you like, though :)

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dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: i saw the videos of mythnetvision on the mailing list. looking fantastic!!

[13:17:48]

iamlindoro:

dubstar_04: Thanks, slow going this last few weeks but still hope to have it available for .23

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edistar:

hi, is anyone using the Terratec Cinergy 2400i DT, i.e. is is supported? I wasn't quite sure what to make of http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTe . . . _2400i_DVB-T

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MartinJT:

i'm a .NET developer... so wouldn't know where to start with mythdev....

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry for the "spray and pray" mentallity, but I was unaware of the changeset that made a difference between .22 release and .22-fixes for that setting – was doing the best I could with the info I had

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Fleck:

iamlindoro do you use DVB-S/S2 with mythtv ?

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skd5aner:

just trying to help out when I could

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: I do not

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I appreciate your willingness to help, only ask that you tell others to do things you're *sure* about, not things that might work :)

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skd5aner:

yea – no information is better than bad information – was going by "trial and error" at that moment

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Only because if he was toggling random settings on and off, he's back in here tomorrow asking why he was trying to get to channel 700 and ended up on 70, etc.

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Fleck:

iamlindoro heh ok, i have problem with Luxe TV HD – i have GF8400GS and Luxe HD is not smooth :/

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: You will probably need to use VDPAU since Luxe HD is very high bitrate H.264

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skd5aner:

now, if you don't mind – wanted to pick a few brains on VDPAU capable cards...

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patdk-wk:

is jamu required? or optional?

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iamlindoro:

optional

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patdk-wk:

ok, was wondering if that might of been screwing up my upnp, cause I disabled jamu

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iamlindoro:

nope, should be unrelated

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Fleck:

iamlindoro yeah i set to vdpau but then it's even vorse

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: Which VDPAU profile did you use?

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patdk-wk:

fleck, what video card?

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Fleck:

iamlindoro all

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: That card is very low end, the max you could use is VDPAU slim

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skd5aner:

I've been holding off for a few months, to see what cards evolved (wanted a 8600, but they are few and far between anymore)... need fanless, and want to make sure I'm a bit future proofed with the feature set 3 options that VDPAU is capable of and that Mark has started to put into myth (advanced scaling, etc)

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Fleck:

GF8400GS

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patdk-wk:

oh, 8400gs, that is going be slow

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skd5aner:

looks like the GT 210 and 220 support this, but not really sure how they compare performance wise to cards like the 9500 9600, etc

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patdk-wk:

the local bestbuy had some 9600gs marked at $86 (instead of $130 that other bestbuys and online had it at)

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patdk-wk:

so I got some

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: It's also possible that Luxe HD has some of the same issues as the H.264 channels of your German neighbors, which requires a bugfix that hasn't been applied yet

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Fleck:

well iamlindoro tried on windows with the same hardware (the same box) with pure video – works great

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: That's not a valid comparison

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU and Purevideo are not directly analogous

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iamlindoro:

They accomplish same/similar things, but purevideo/DXVA/etc. do a lot more than VDPAU does

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skd5aner:

otherwise it would be called "Purevideo for Linux" :D

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Fleck:

just thought if in windows GF8400GS is doing OK, then on linux it would

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Fleck:

but i guess i am wrong

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iamlindoro:

Don't think that :)

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skd5aner:

from the way I've seen nvidia work, the guys who write the linux drivers and VDPAU APIs are a small, rag-tag team within NVIDIA kind of on their own. I don't think they interface, probably at all, with the PureVideo folks

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iamlindoro:

Windows programs are written by people will access to proprietary documentation and specs :)

[13:26:05]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: 90% of the linux driver code is shared with the windows driver code, per the nVidia linux guys

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skd5aner:

ahh – strike 2 for me :/

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Fleck:

iamlindoro well didn't find software on windows that works NORMALY for me ;/

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sid3windr:

patdk-wk: it's "might have", not "might of" </petpeeve>

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dubstar_04:

can anyone recommend a decent dvd drive?

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skd5aner:

I swear I read an interview last year about the linux driver team stating they really didn't have much support for their efforts

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patdk-wk:

sid3windr, talk to my hands, they don't type what I think :)

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sid3windr:

so the face, it ain't listening? :(

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elmojo:

Fleck: the 8400GS should handle VDPAU Normal profile

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iamlindoro:

asterisk

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iamlindoro:

*Depending on which 8400GS

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elmojo:

Fleck: also as iamlindoro mentioned your problem with Luxe HD is most likely this ticket -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7481

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I have the slower one and it is powerful enough

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: We're also not dealing with some of the ugly content that gives VDPAU fits

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iamlindoro:

I have an 8400 that cannot deinterlace some bluray and high bitrate 1080i content

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iamlindoro:

at least, not without stuttering

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iamlindoro:

And that's the newer of the 8400s at that

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skd5aner:

is the 8400 the card that's in your primary frontend iamlindoro?

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XLV:

gt 210 is too slow.. gt 220 is at 9500gt levels. gt 240 with gddr5 is as fast as 9600gt

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Nah, the two I use most commonly are the 9400 and the 9600

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I imagine skipchroma would help in those situations

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skd5aner:

XLV: thx – I might keep an eye on the 240s then

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XLV:

gt210/220/240 do also lpcm 7.1, no dts-hd/truehd cause of lack of PAP

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Fleck:

yeah i have Astra :)

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I'd rather run Temporal Deint with skipchroma than Bob 2X anyday :)

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Probably. Ideally Mark will have all his intended work for VDPAU done for .23

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skd5aner:

XLV: which cards support dts-hd/truehd? any?

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XLV:

skd5aner, for now only ati 5xxx series

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: with your Bluray problems did you ever try increasing the number of VDPAU buffers?

[13:34:16]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Yes

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skd5aner:

ahh, shouldn't be an issue in my case

[13:34:32]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Anyway, it's not a problem, at least not one I didn't solve by using proper hardware ;)

[13:34:48]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: we don't all have Quad core CPUs :)

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: IMNSHO if you need to twist yourself into a pretzel to make a card work with VDPAU + the content, that's validation of my point that the hardware isn't up to snuff :)

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Fleck:

iamlindoro sadly with vdpau slim i get flickering back and need to set video scan to progresive

[13:35:24]

iamlindoro:

Fleck: Again, you *never* need to set scan to progressive

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iamlindoro:

All you are doing is disabling the deinterlacer

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: found that nvidia interview, right on the summary it said exactly what you mentioned, 90% codebase overlap... interesting

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Fleck:

ok so what i need to do? ;)

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iamlindoro:

What you need to do is choose a deinterlacer that is appropriate for your hardware

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iamlindoro:

edit your playback profile and choose a different deinterlacer

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Fleck:

in vdpau slim section – edit?

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Fleck:

ok

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XLV:

i'd get more cpu, instead of getting into mess with vdpau

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Shadow__X:

hmm or have more cpu and vdpau then you have multi angle win

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skd5aner:

is VDPAU really that much of a headache still?

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skd5aner:

haven't made the leap yet

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elmojo:

Fleck: if you are trying to playback some of those HD H.264 German broadcasts then you really need to apply the patch for #7481

[13:40:06]

elmojo:

nothing you do will solve the problem without it

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: He's swiss

[13:40:24]

iamlindoro:

but all the same, I expect it's the same issue

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Shadow__X:

the bitrate is too high?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It's not that much of a headache, and is much improved-- what it is not, much as some people would like it to be, is a panacea-- it's not the answer to everyone's prayers

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It's a good tool for the content with which it works, but that's *it*, and there is plenty of content (especially slightly broken broadcast content) that still gives it fits

[13:41:41]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: yes, the problem seems to be spread across many different countries in Europe

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: No, it's not a bitrate issue

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: if you've played back any of the samples then you'll understand why they are pushing for a backport

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elmojo:

totally unwatchable

[13:42:43]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Tough to backport something that hasn't been ... erm... front ported :)

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: doesn't really need to be front ported first.. but that's not my call

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Fleck:

how can i see what version i have?

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elmojo:

mythfrontend --version

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: General project policy would dictate that it would go to trunk first

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: That said, there's probably a combination of things, not thea least of which is 1) we're getting a new ffmpeg sync momentarily, and 2) we're freezing for .23 in 30 days

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iamlindoro:

well, maybe not "momentarily," but RSN ;)

[13:45:06]

Fleck:

updating...

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patdk-wk:

hmm, 0.22-fixes here

[13:45:23]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: problem has been around for almost 2 months :)

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Shadow__X:

really .23 isnt a year off iamlindoro ?

[13:45:47]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: And will likely be solved in the current release in less than two :P

[13:45:50]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: but agree at this point it's becoming less of a need

[13:46:00]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: correct

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Fleck:

elmojo mythfrontend --version does not return to me anything (in terminal)

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Fleck:

i did export DISPLAY=":0.0"

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: you mythdevs are incredible

[13:46:40]

iamlindoro:

We could release weekly, would that make us more incredible? ;)

[13:47:04]

patdk-wk:

fleck, ubuntu?

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elmojo:

Fleck: run

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patdk-wk:

mythfrontend.real --version

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Fleck:

yeah

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Fleck:

dpkg -l show 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1

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MartinJT:

if I create a separate .srt file for the subtitles in a mkv file, would myth internal player pick them up and use them?

[13:47:33]

iamlindoro:

22594 is actually not even .22

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Fleck:

this is old one ?

[13:47:38]

iamlindoro:

it's pre-.22

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Fleck:

omg

[13:47:51]

iamlindoro:

Which is not your fault, that's what mythbuntu shipped

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Fleck:

where can i enable nightly builds?

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iamlindoro:

just add their fixes repository and update

[13:48:10]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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Fleck:

great

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iamlindoro:

*DON'T* choose .23 when it prompts you

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Fleck:

will try it out

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iamlindoro:

just choose .22

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Shadow__X:

iam

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Fleck:

ok

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elmojo:

Fleck: you'll still need to apply the patch and manually compile

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: if you guys released weekly we would be at mythtv 1.00 in no time

[13:49:10]

Fleck:

elmojo no i don't whant to compile ;P

[13:49:25]

patdk-wk:

heh, I first started with 0.15, and it was usable but lacking

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elmojo:

Fleck: you have too if you want your problem fixed

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patdk-wk:

then I tried it again at .19, and it was great :)

[13:49:38]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: No, we'd be at .100

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Captain_Murdoch:

and it would take a year and a half

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elmojo:

Fleck: ubuntu(debian) allows your to rebuild a package but you'll have to search for the details on that

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Shadow__X:

well comparing how from .21 to .22 tooka bout a year that is pretty quick

[13:51:02]

elmojo:

Fleck: it's not that difficult

[13:51:12]

Fleck:

elmojo yeah :) thanks, thank to all of you, helped much! :)

[13:51:16]

Fleck:

elmojo well i know ;P

[13:51:24]

Fleck:

just, allways some problems etc

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Captain_Murdoch:

I plan on sending an email to the -dev list tomorrow (Dec 31 still here) about the feature freeze on Feb 1, so anyone with tested feature patches will want to get them into trac soonish.

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: .22 to .23 will be a much more incremental upgrade

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Fleck:

at the begining i used slackware linux (back in 2002) and gentoo so i'm familar with kernel compilations etc... :)

[13:52:21]

iamlindoro:

There will be few major new features, mostly some tightening up and smaller features

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iamlindoro:

.23 to .24 (July 1st or so) may have a few more major features, though

[13:52:45]

skd5aner:

I know that the cycle between .22 and .23 is planned to be intentionally short, but looking ahead – what about the cycle between .23 and .24? any thoughts on that yet?

[13:53:01]

skd5aner:

ok – apparently, iamlindoro is a mind reader

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Fleck:

iamlindoro now i have mythtv 0.22.0+fixes23034

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elmojo:

Fleck: hopefully it'll be fixed soon enough

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Captain_Murdoch:

we're trying out a 3+1 dev cycle (3 months for new features, one month feature freeze if necessary).

[13:53:32]

MartinJT:

sorry to ask the question, if I create a separate .srt file for the subtitles in a mkv file, would myth internal player pick them up and use them?

[13:53:37]

Fleck:

elmojo yeah i hope so ;)

[13:54:01]

Fleck:

next question is about fonts

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: the reason I was asking about the next cycle was because of the themeing contest – I was wondering if there were any thoughts to a continuation for the next (and/or future) cycle?

[13:54:10]

iamlindoro:

MartinJT: If they are properly created, yes

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Fleck:

they are so big – i can see channel name :D

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: oh ok i get it thanks

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MartinJT:

iamlindoro, thanks for that... will give it a go...

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: For now the current theme contest will end at .23, though a couple of us have discussed similar ideas for other features that are upcoming

[13:54:50]

patdk-wk:

heh, freezes, isn't all software bug free? :)

[13:54:51]

skd5aner:

It's something I'd like to look in to, but know that it'd be impossible for me to get anything in on time for .23

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MartinJT:

i guess I asked the right question this time ;)

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skd5aner:

cool – thx

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Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, one thing we'd like to do is to eventually have something like themes.mythtv.org or some place which was a collection of themes that could be browsed, downloaded and installed from within mythfrontend.

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iamlindoro:

The idea of an OSD theme contest has been brought up, once the OSD is MythUI'd and stable

[13:58:07]

iamlindoro:

But it's not yet clear whether the OSD MythUI conversion will make .23

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Fleck:

elmojo where do i get patch for #7481

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elmojo:

Fleck: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . vformat.diff

[14:00:31]

elmojo:

Fleck: you can download or just manually apply... it's a one-liner

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skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: yea, makes sense – the cool part of that would be direct integration within myth.

[14:01:26]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, OSDs need some loving – lots that could probably happen in that area once mythui'd

[14:04:19]

skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: you know, one thing that would be pretty cool if there was a user-submission theme site, would be some kind of validation tool on upload that a theme is at least minimally compliant to the standards, is written cleanly and valid per themeing guidelines, and has the right screens themed

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iamlindoro:

Current OSDs are pretty decent IMO, but I have some... "different" ideas about them that I'd like to indulge that require MythUI

[14:04:50]

skd5aner:

kind of like the W3C validators

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Already planned, though not with any validation

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iamlindoro:

writing a Myth theme validator is more trouble than it's likely to be worth

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Fleck:

elmojo problem is that i enabled auto-builds and now i can't get source for my existing mythtv – only fixes 22594

[14:06:10]

skd5aner:

if only there was an army of myth developers ;)

[14:06:18]

skd5aner:

with unlimited time and resources

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iamlindoro:

If only more community members stepped up with patches and contributions, there would be :P

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iamlindoro:

The tide is definitely in favor of accepting new devs into the project, if one wants to be involved, now is the time to submit noteworthy patches

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Fleck:

ok added deb-src :) downloading now

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elmojo:

Fleck: cool

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: so the theme contestants have to have their themes submitted by Feb. 1st?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: correct

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elmojo:

are you the sole judge?

[14:21:28]

iamlindoro:

No, not at all

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iamlindoro:

all the devs (who choose to) will judge and ideally we'll have a public voting component too

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elmojo:

cool

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elmojo:

I'm wondering if we'll see something as cool as ArcLight

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iamlindoro:

The idea was to have each participating dev count as a single vote, and the public count as a "phantom dev"

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elmojo:

I was wondering the other day how many people use MythTV around the world

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iamlindoro:

I think a fair guess is in the tens of thousands

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iamlindoro:

depending on how you define it, of course, which I define as daily, regular users

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: If the cable companies continue to raise their rates I can see more people open to using MythTV... with free OTA and all the content on the internet it will be very tempting

[14:25:34]

elmojo:

the MythNetvision plugin will entice many people

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iamlindoro:

Hope so.. in the interest of full disclosure the initial release will be far from perfect-- it aims to do a lot and will minimally accomplish what it sets out to do, it'll just take some time to get there as I would like to

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iamlindoro:

Right now you can browse site trees and search sites, then watch the content fairly nicely-- but there's a couple bugs I need to solve that are non-trivial, and some usability things that it's going to take me some time to get really polished

[14:30:05]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: One limitation versus what people may want as their prime content is the source's TOS and the methods they allow their videos to be accessed. Screen scrapping is a maintenance nightmare while API's and RSS fields are a joy,

[14:30:57]

RDV_Linux:

s/fields/URLs/

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elmojo:

does it have scripting capability so that people can do what they want?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Yes, it's script-expandable

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iamlindoro:

every site is basically a script that reports its capabilities (a script can provide a search, or a tree view, or both)

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iamlindoro:

Takes some pre-established arguments and spits out results using standard RSS 2.0 media format, which the plugin parses and turns into the interface

[14:33:07]

iamlindoro:

With just a couple custom tags to create directory hierarchy and allow for paging in search results

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iamlindoro:

So the format is very standard

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: I tend to mention that "curl http://path/to/some/RSS/feed.xml" is a valid (though boring) grabber script

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elmojo:

sounds neat

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iamlindoro:

If I can overcome one major segfault causing bug then we'll be starting to get closer to releaseability, but every time I look at/work on it I want to pull my hair out in frustration

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iamlindoro:

I could basically disable all image previews and it would be rock solid, but dealing with downloading all the preview images and still allowing quick navigation of the tree has proven to be a real headache

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Dibblah:

"Takes some pre-established arguments and spits out results" – That sounds like the rerun of The Thread That Will Not Die on the -users ML.

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Dibblah:

Seriously – Every single time exactly the same people bring up exactly the same points.

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elmojo:

Fleck: having any luck?

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MartinJT:

question... what would cause subtitles to come out as all blocks using the internal myth player

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MartinJT:

?

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wagnerrp:

bad font

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MartinJT:

k... is there a way to check it?

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wagnerrp:

well first, why kind of subtitles, there are several

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wagnerrp:

youve got closecaptioning (text), srt files (text), dvd and dvb subtitles (images)

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MartinJT:

welll on checking... it appears I've extracted the wrong channel... the question "What Kind" prompted me to check... so you helped... thanks...

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MartinJT:

i was trying to view "chinese simplified"

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MartinJT:

which will never work...

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, Agree, and it's really disheartening how people are willing to take the product and all the free support, and still get up in arms when their are certain topics that cannot be discussed to preserve the safety of the devs

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[R]:

are people STILL going on about that card stuff?

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, as in, "Not only should you give me this software for free, but I am entitled to put you in jeopardy as I see fit too"... makes me genuinely sad

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wagnerrp:

you think this 'Phil Bridges' guy understands what multiplex means?

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wagnerrp:

Odd multiple-tuner livetv behavior

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GreyFoxx:

and the whole "just point them to somewhere else to get the info" argument doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

look at the various torrent sites

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GreyFoxx:

LITERALLY all they do is point to other places

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GreyFoxx:

they don't actually host any of the content

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GreyFoxx:

and they are getting sued and shutdown just for helping people get at it even though they are not hosting it

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wagnerrp:

and with DHT, peerexchange, and stuff like that, theyre really only taking an active role when you first enter the swarm

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wagnerrp:

after that, the swarm manages itself

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skd5aner:

... and we're back

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wagnerrp:

from outer space?

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[R]:

I just walked in to find you here

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wagnerrp:

with that look upon your face

[17:00:41]

[R]:

lol

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[R]:

wagnerrp: close, but not quite

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[R]:

I just walked in to find you here

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[R]:

damnit

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** [R] smacks his copy/paste buffer **

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wagnerrp:

oh, 'without'

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[R]:

with that sad look upon your face

[17:01:47]

wagnerrp:

ah, i guess the Cake version is different from the original

[17:02:11]

[R]:

cake redid it? is it any good?

[17:02:14]

[R]:

they had that one song i liked

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wagnerrp:

it has a completely different sound... cake'ish

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** [R] looks if amazon has it **

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[R]:

oh nice

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[R]:

its got swears

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wagnerrp:

http://www.last.fm/music/CAKE/_/I+Will+Survive

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Dagmar:

The vocalist is dragging

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Dagmar:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hahaha... 'i should have changed my *record scratch* huffing lock'

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wagnerrp:

not sure why some place like last.fm would have to play the radio edits

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Dagmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH3qrMnpYD0 <-- FAR better cover of an older tune. Cure's 'Lovesong' by Snake River Conspiracy

[17:09:26]

Dagmar:

Keep away from breakable objects

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justinh:

well, it's time to stop getting emails from the dev mailing list again

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skd5aner:

Dagmar: I was just telling someone about that cover a couple weeks ago

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skd5aner:

pretty dark

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[R]:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23042

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[R]:

i love things like that

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[R]:

you're off doing 1 thing... and then get distracted by something else... and wind up fixing it

[17:14:43]

Dagmar:

I've been trying to get it on vinyl but I think they only cut it as CD

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justinh:

vinyl. meh

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Dassu:

ANybody here using a mobile phone as a remote for their PC?

[17:18:38]

Dassu:

I'm having problems with anyRemote with inability to connect to the server through bluetooth

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justinh:

maybe something to take up with whoever wrote it

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Dassu:

well, there are mutiple programs for it. it is just that I already tried two of them and both had problems on my mobile phone.

[17:21:17]

** justinh wonders what this has to do with mythtv **

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wagnerrp:

PC? or mythtv?

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Dassu:

just probing if everybody had done it. Would speed up the things

[17:21:58]

wagnerrp:

because there are several programs to use controlling the mythfrontend through the telnet socket with a mobile phone

[17:22:13]

wagnerrp:

but if youre just doing it to control a computer in general, thats not really our area of knowledge

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Dassu:

wagnerrp: looking for something that can also control mplayer

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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justinh:

oo good news about the thiny getting OSS drivers

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Dassu:

wagnerrp: because I use mplayer also

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wagnerrp:

the crystalhd thingy? that got drivers yesterday?

[17:23:41]

justinh:

yeah I saw a post about it :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, "Yay," now more people can use it as an excuse for thinking a VIA is a valid frontend? ;)

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wagnerrp:

they make VIAs with such new-fangled technology as PCIe?

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justinh:

hahaha

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bobbies:

quick question, in mythbuntu 9.10 where do I control samba settings? In Ubuntu 9.10 there is a right click menu that isn't there in mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

better question for #ubuntu or #mythbuntu

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bobbies:

k

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using the Celeron E1500?

[18:34:54]

wagnerrp:

just about

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Led-Hed:

Just wondering if its powerfull enough for HD playback

[18:35:55]

Dagmar:

It's a Celeron

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wagnerrp:

ive got a E4500, which is basically the same chip with gobs more cache

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Led-Hed:

I have a E5200 (2.5Ghz) and it seems to do fine. About 20–30% CPU usage when playing HD TV

[18:36:32]

wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: that depends entirely on the kind of HD you want to play back

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Led-Hed:

just wondering is the slightly slower clock and less cache would have that much effect on it

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wagnerrp:

it will do HD mpeg2, so ATSC and QAM recordings

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wagnerrp:

but anything else and youre probably SOL

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Dagmar:

Ugh

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, thats what I watch. I dont transcode to H.264

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Dagmar:

I feel cheated

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Dagmar:

Dr Who airs *tomorrow* night

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, it would probably suffice if paired with an nVidia GF9300 (VDPAU)

[18:38:14]

wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: if *you* transcoded to h.264, it would work fine

[18:38:29]

Dagmar:

My HD-PVR has made it all the way to Kentucky already

[18:38:29]

wagnerrp:

since you would probably drop the bitrate to 6–8mbps, and do at least two slices

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wagnerrp:

which that chip would handle fine

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, does VDPAU only work with H.264? or does it handle MPEG2 also?

[18:39:18]

wagnerrp:

however stuff like the HDPVR, HD h264 off DVB broadcasts, and bluray/hddvd, that chip has no chance

[18:39:44]

Dagmar:

afaik vdpau doesn't do mpeg2

[18:39:48]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#What_is_it

[18:39:55]

Dagmar:

However, you don't really _need_ it to play that back on anything that doesn't suck

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Led-Hed:

I thanks

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wagnerrp:

'suck' meaning P4s, older AthXPs, or anything VIA

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Led-Hed:

I have a Zotac 9300-G-E, (Mini-ITX) w/ E5200, and when watching HD (MPEG2) cpu usage is around 2–5%

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Dagmar:

Eggsactly

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wagnerrp:

and Atom

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Dagmar:

Well, I dunno about the Atoms yet

[18:41:50]

_ben:

hey all, just wondering if anyone could suggest something for a frontend – I'd like something that can utilise VPDAU

[18:42:00]

_ben:

reading the wiki atm, but i suspect it's slightly out of date

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Led-Hed:

Atoms in an ION platform should be ok, except for BluRay

[18:42:19]

Dagmar:

_ben: Buy something from the list http://mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#What_is_it

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wagnerrp:

the Atoms can technically handle moderate bitrate ATSC, but will probably choke on full 19mbps

[18:43:05]

wagnerrp:

and the dual core versions will let you do deint on the second core

[18:43:16]

wagnerrp:

so theyre basically right on the edge of 'suck'

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Dagmar:

Argh

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Dagmar:

HD-PVR recordings... are the interlaced or not?

[18:45:45]

wagnerrp:

depends on whether you do 720p or 1080i

[18:45:50]

Dagmar:

Ah okay

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abqjp:

Dagmar: The HD-PVR just records whatever you feed it.

[18:46:14]

wagnerrp:

yeah, it just encodes what it receives, no internal scaler

[18:46:27]

Dagmar:

I'm a bit of a mess with it at the moment since I've got parts coming at me from all directions, and I mainly didn't expect to FIND an HD-PVR now

[18:46:37]

wagnerrp:

your chip will probably do ~10mbps

[18:46:55]

Dagmar:

Ah well it's figuring into what video card I'm about to buy

[18:47:17]

Dagmar:

The 7050pv works a treat for MPEG2, but obviously that's about to stop being my primary storage format

[18:47:38]

wagnerrp:

seems there some report on HD_Playback_Reports for your chip

[18:47:51]

wagnerrp:

but its someone doing 720p@4mbps, so they should be stabbed

[18:48:38]

Dagmar:

*kinda* looks like I'm better off aiming for a 210 than an 8/9xxx

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wagnerrp:

220 is ideal

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wagnerrp:

210 wont do the advanced deint at 1080i

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wagnerrp:

insufficient power

[18:49:25]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure that I have to care about that

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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Dagmar:

The things I have that do 1080 are monitors, and the TV is running at 1366x768

[18:49:52]

Dagmar:

It only does 720

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter, the content is 1080

[18:50:12]

wagnerrp:

unless youre going to have your STB downscale everything, and not worry about deint at all

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Dagmar:

Yes, which means I'll probably be setting up an automatic de-cooking transcode to just bring it down to 720

[18:50:47]

Dagmar:

I'm reasonably sure my STB can downscale

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_ben:

those eee boxes look cool

[18:51:32]

Dagmar:

Just trying to keep the price point at an absolute minimum so when the whiners come I can say "LOOK, just go BUY THIS and stop futzing with it"

[18:52:29]

Dagmar:

'cuz like, the motherboard and CPU I've got now for SD-only was dirt cheap

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Dagmar:

220's seem to run about $60, 210's $40, 8400's ~$33, 9400's about $42

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Dagmar:

So we can effectively assign a cost to using Advanced 2x deint

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Dagmar:

'bout twenny bucks

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Dagmar:

I can't see any cost-effectiveness in even trying for a motherboard with the necessary video built in

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_ben:

whats the total cost?

[18:59:23]

Dagmar:

*just* to get a motherboard with an 8300 onboard results in about $100

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[R]:

i musta missed something... whats wrong with ion?

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: only if the prices have gone up, my board was $75

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Dagmar:

How should I know, I'm still looking up prices and boiling down the numbers

[19:00:45]

[R]:

Dagmar: neweggs got some sweet ionitx's

[19:00:46]

wagnerrp:

now the intel stuff is generally expensive, i recall the 9300 boards being $100+

[19:00:56]

[R]:

Dagmar: thats got a 9400

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Dagmar:

IONs appear to start at about $115 and go up from there

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[R]:

Dagmar: i got mine for 85

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[R]:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 29-_-Product

[19:01:17]

Dagmar:

Well, they don't have any of those now

[19:01:18]

[R]:

thats 96

[19:01:29]

wagnerrp:

and then there's Led-Hed's mini-itx 775 for like $140

[19:01:32]

[R]:

unless you are against rebates

[19:01:49]

wagnerrp:

not quite sure why they charge you more for less with that one

[19:01:59]

Dagmar:

Rebates are generally not something I worry about since their availability isn't guaranteed beyond the promotional period

[19:02:00]

Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, that doesnt include CPU, RAM, Case ...

[19:02:04]

Dagmar:

*They* come into play last

[19:02:06]

wagnerrp:

i know

[19:02:18]

jpabq:

$430 for a complete "frontend" (ion, 2GB RAM, 500GB hard drive and remote control): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 11-_-Product

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wagnerrp:

im just comparing straight board cost

[19:02:38]

Led-Hed:

but you can build a FE with that board for around $240 if you Netboot it and dont need a DVD/BD drive

[19:02:43]

jpabq:

Sorry, that one only has a 320GB hard drive.

[19:02:55]

[R]:

jpabq: that seems rather on the expensive side

[19:03:27]

wagnerrp:

[R]: its also considerably smaller than anything you would build

[19:03:28]

_ben:

i'm looking at $386

[19:03:35]

_ben:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . K&tool=3

[19:03:35]

jpabq:

[R], depends on what you are comparing it against.

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[R]:

jpabq: parts

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Dagmar:

That's also not complete

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wagnerrp:

none of the homebrew stuff is going to be particularly thin

[19:04:01]

[R]:

wagnerrp: i'm sure you could find a comparable case

[19:04:10]

Led-Hed:

nice looking case though

[19:04:17]

Dagmar:

Ah wait it has RAM

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_ben:

ah heh – i didn't realise the newegg was the same link :p

[19:04:39]

[R]:

does it have a sensor built in?

[19:04:39]

Fleck:

elmojo nope ;P

[19:04:55]

[R]:

cuz i can't seem to find a cable wit ha sensor on it in the pictures

[19:04:55]

Fleck:

happy new year guys! :))

[19:04:57]

jpabq:

$410 after rebate for a *complete* system including ir receiver seems pretty good to me.

[19:04:58]

Dagmar:

I deal with a lot of people who basically have about half the parts (disks in particlar) just lying around already

[19:05:09]

Led-Hed:

that would work for a HD Frontend, but as wagnerrp said earlier, it would probably choke on BluRay

[19:05:18]

[R]:

Led-Hed: its ion

[19:05:36]

Led-Hed:

[R], I see that

[19:05:48]

wagnerrp:

any ION will handle any bluray

[19:05:48]

jpabq:

Led-Hed, it will do blu-ray fine. There is even a version of it with blu-ray instead of a dvd drive.

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wagnerrp:

assuming you use VDPAU, rather than software

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[R]:

"7.1 Ch HD Audio with DTS"

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jpabq:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 12-_-Product

[19:06:08]

[R]:

is that marketing speak?

[19:06:12]

[R]:

or can it actually decode dts?

[19:06:14]

wagnerrp:

jpabq: not that that matters, since you cannot rip bluray on linux

[19:06:14]

** Led-Hed has not experience with BluRay + VDPAU **

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Dagmar:

You can decode that in software. You may not however do it.

[19:06:56]

Dagmar:

yay patents

[19:07:00]

jpabq:

wagnerrp, you can, but not easily or consistently --- basically meaning it is not worth the trouble.

[19:07:08]

[R]:

whos gonna have a surround setup with a reciever that doesnt decode it though

[19:07:14]

[R]:

even my crappy sony reciever can do dts

[19:07:15]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

[19:07:34]

Dagmar:

If you wind up with a dts audio stream afaik you just pass it to the reciever

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: you can do AACS with the proper hacked drive to pull the codes out of, you can do BD+ with a small handful of disks

[19:07:50]

Dagmar:

...anyone with that many speakers probably has a reciever connected

[19:08:07]

wagnerrp:

so yes, not currently worth the trouble

[19:08:11]

elmojo:

Fleck: I guess it is new year on your side of the world

[19:08:21]

Fleck:

yeah :) it is

[19:08:22]

wagnerrp:

and besides, you still have to rip the video files to disk first

[19:08:28]

Fleck:

01:00 AM :)

[19:09:07]

Fleck:

elmojo i have error: undefined reference to `aac_decoder'

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jpabq:

On that Asrock box, they must be hiding the ir receiver behind the grill on the left.....

[19:09:16]

Dagmar:

from _what_

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Fleck:

during make ...

[19:09:32]

Dagmar:

So pastebin the last 50 or so lines of the output

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_ben:

that asrock looks pretty neat tbh

[19:09:43]

elmojo:

Fleck: did you run 'apt-get build-dep mythtv'?

[19:09:52]

Fleck:

yep

[19:09:55]

Fleck:

i did ;:)

[19:10:27]

elmojo:

Fleck: might be worth asking in #ubuntu-mythtv

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Fleck:

ok

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jpabq:

Dagmar, I think I want one of these: ECS NSGT220C-1GQS-H

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Dagmar:

You probably don't. 'ECS'

[19:15:26]

Dagmar:

expendable chinese shite

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jpabq:

Really? I can't find any other manufacturer making a fanless GT220 that will fit in my first generation Antec Fusion case.

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wagnerrp:

oh look, my arch nemesis... UTF-8

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Led-Hed:

night all

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Led-Hed:

have a good New Years

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sid3windr:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/825/demoscenevsgamesvsreali.jpg

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sid3windr:

I lol'd

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sid3windr:

:>

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it

[19:58:53]

Dagmar:

~neotehchosen

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Dagmar:

wrongchan

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I suppose you'd have to have played Crysis with the settings up on full

[20:00:25]

wagnerrp:

i mean the 'demoscene'...

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wagnerrp:

is that the people trying to do 3d demos in the smallest number of kilobytes?

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Dagmar:

I don't think demo scene coders *ever* did anything even remotely photorealistic that wasn't subsequently mapped onto some objects just because they can

[20:01:46]

Dagmar:

It's not so much the number of bytes as is it was the near technical impossibility

[20:02:08]

Dagmar:

C-64 demoscene coders were *way* beyond what most professional game programmers could manage

[20:02:24]

Dagmar:

This is why they wound up forming into companies like Psygnosis

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: it's purely just a demonstration of skill, sometimes in efficiency, sometimes in visual quality, etc

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sid3windr:

yup

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sid3windr:

also formed remedy

[20:05:38]

wagnerrp:

ok, i just remember some 'demo' several years ago with several minutes of some 3d fly-through, complete with music, stored in 64KB

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Dagmar:

There were positively tons of that stuff

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sid3windr:

yeh, the 64kB compo is one of the branches

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sid3windr:

hehe

[20:06:04]

** sid3windr <3 demoscene **

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wagnerrp:

of quality comparable to graphics from just a few years previos

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: you aren't per chance interested in an assembly '03 dvd ? :P

[20:06:41]

sid3windr:

as I ordered 2 accidentally ;/

[20:06:42]

Dagmar:

Not really

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sid3windr:

hehe

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_ben:

mm, you know in the programme guide, what do you hit to watch a programme?

[20:11:18]

_ben:

as opposed to getting a menu up asking if you want to record?

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justinh:

depends which guide you're in, fool

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[R]:

_ben: what version of myth are you using

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_ben:

.22

[20:12:35]

[R]:

22 what

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[R]:

final, rc, fixes?

[20:12:43]

_ben:

let me check

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_ben:

0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1

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[R]:

theres an opptioin in the setting

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[R]:

about 'select changes channel'

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[R]:

or something

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justinh:

if you're using the livetv EPG, you need to have 'use select to change channels'

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[R]:

in the program guide settings

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_ben:

cheers [R]

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justinh:

but only in livetv

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justinh:

whatever that is ;-)

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_ben:

that did the trick

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sid3windr:

so, [R], did this setting really change between rc, final and fixes?

[20:16:05]

[R]:

they removed it in fixes

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[R]:

its always on

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[R]:

and stupid ubuntu is shipping with an rc

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sid3windr:

an rc of fixes? :|

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[R]:

its not really fixes

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[R]:

its an rc of 22

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sid3windr:

but they called it fixes for fun? :|

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[R]:

the svn number matches up correctly though

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wagnerrp:

fantastic... an hour later i realize i have putty in 'latin-1' mode

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Led-Hed:

I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 but cant seem to Rip DVD's. What packages are needed to Rip DVD's?

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[R]:

Led-Hed: how are you trying?

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Led-Hed:

from the Frontend

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[R]:

Led-Hed: and what does the log say? are you running mtd? what does it's log say?

[20:21:23]

Led-Hed:

going to optical -> Import DVD

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Led-Hed:

[R], lemme check

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Led-Hed:

mtd.log says that MTD started and is running and listening on port 2442

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Led-Hed:

[R], nothing else in the Backend or frontend logs

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mzb:

look in the logs dir in your tmp directory (the one you've set for mytharchive)

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[R]:

then you need to turn up the verbosity then

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Led-Hed:

I reinserted the DVD, log says "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable."

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[R]:

sounds like you are missing libdvdcss

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** Led-Hed is looking **

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Led-Hed:

is there a libdvdcss for x64?

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[R]:

i'm sure there is

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[R]:

but that has nothing to do with myth

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Led-Hed:

agreed

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mzb:

medibuntu?

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Led-Hed:

no

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Led-Hed:

Just plain jane 9.10

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mzb:

Led-Hed, no, I mean look at medibuntu

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mzb:

(add the repo)

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[R]:

you dont need medibuntu just for dvdcss

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Led-Hed:

ok, now I can play Encrypted DVD's in Xine, but still getting errors when trying to rip

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Led-Hed:

libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access

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Led-Hed:

2009-12–31 16:42:39.395 Error getting volume name, setting to"Unknown"

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Led-Hed:

libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed

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[R]:

what about mplayer

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** Led-Hed hides, because he cant figure out how to play a DVD in mplayer **

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_ben:

mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/foo or whatever

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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Led-Hed:

ugh I give up.

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[R]:

its amazing the things one can learn from a man page

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Led-Hed:

its not that

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Led-Hed:

I just need to get this DVD Ripped quickly. Its for my kids party, and its starting soon

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[R]:

so use mencoder

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Led-Hed:

The frontend I'm gonna be playing it on doesnt have a DVD drive

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[R]:

use handbrake

[20:53:30]

[R]:

use one of the millions of other tools

[20:53:37]

[R]:

use ffmpeg

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** Led-Hed pops it into DVDFab **

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wagnerrp:

the yahoo webmail program is really awful

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wagnerrp:

puts out some terrible headers

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justinh:

yeah well. what do you expect from Yahoo! ?

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wagnerrp:

i mean i check out the headers from Ben Woodhouse on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

only to be surprised where there *were* no headers

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wagnerrp:

turns out there actually are, but theres some strange unnamed block at the top with several newlines

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justinh:

only email I use is webmail now

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wagnerrp:

and i had to scroll down to see any data

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wagnerrp:

but then, he still has no 'in-reply-to' data

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wagnerrp:

so threading fails hard

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justinh:

the mailing lists fail hard

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justinh:

I can't remember the last heartening thing I saw on any of them. Aha.. some bloke called Robert talking about a new plugin. And that was it :-)

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so? when do we get our new sun?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, there are going to be some pretty irritated TWC subscribers come tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

no more Fox?

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iamlindoro:

seems like

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iamlindoro:

always the chance of an 11th hour agreement, but it's sure not looking like it

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wagnerrp:

got an article? i only saw some mention of it a couple days ago

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[R]:

oh damn thatsn ot good

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iamlindoro:

http://hd.engadget.com/2009/12/31/poll-will-f . . . w-years-day/

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[R]:

no space left on my myth backend

[21:58:43]

[R]:

is all hope lost?

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[R]:

did it explode?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, just means people need to prop up an antenna

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iamlindoro:

suspect sphery is loving this :)

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iamlindoro:

since he strongly advocates people going OTA only

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[R]:

wagnerrp: no, i was talking about my lack of space

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what the affiliates take is on this

[22:00:24]

wagnerrp:

whether or not they actually stand to make any money off TW paying Fox

[22:00:32]

wagnerrp:

or if they only stand to lose if theyre no longer carried by cable

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[R]:

well i saw no explosions in the backend log

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: my sister had no CBS via Dish for almost 6 months in a similar dispute.

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[R]:

and it was idle the whole time

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[R]:

so i think i should be safe

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[R]:

although how i'm using 6.8gb is beyond me

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, Yeah, there are no consumer winners in disputes like this

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you never rotated it?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv logs a LOT by default

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[R]:

nah, the backend log rotates

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[R]:

1gb for /home

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sphing:

I'm sure I have a small use case, but why is a channel one to one with a video source? Is it not common use case to have a channel across multiple video sources?

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[R]:

sphing: so you make 2 channels with identical callsigns and numbers

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[R]:

sphing: then its the same thing

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wagnerrp:

[R]: then what is 6.8GB?

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sphing:

if I setup a recording on one of those channels and the input is being used for a different recording will it automatically fail over to the second input?

[22:04:41]

[R]:

home is 1g, opt is 2g, usr is 1.4g and var is 1.8

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[R]:

wtf is 2g in opt

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

that would be my frontend

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[R]:

ok, i guess it adds up

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[R]:

ha

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[R]:

/var/log is 1g

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[R]:

even though i'm rotating... some of those mythbackend logs are huge

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[R]:

i get tons of h264 errors

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sphing:

if I have the same channel on two different sources and I setup a recording on said channel with myth select which ever tuner is not in use?

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[R]:

sphing: yup... thats the whole point

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wagnerrp:

sphing: depends on the recording rule

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wagnerrp:

if you tell it to record on a specific channel, that means that channel on that source

[22:08:20]

sphing:

[R]: hmm, interesting way to model that no?

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wagnerrp:

if you tell it to do a generic record, it will pick up the show where ever it finds it

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[R]:

well if you do it by callsign

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[R]:

it'll pick the free tuner

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[R]:

assuming the callsigns match up

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sphing:

seems like channel and channel and source set are different concepts

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[R]:

sphing: what would you do if you had 2 inputs with the same lineup? you have 1 channel source

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sphing:

err... {channel} and {channel, source} are diff

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sphing:

[R] I have 2 inputs, with 2 lineups

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[R]:

then you have 2 channel sources

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[R]:

because its 2 diffenret lineups

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sphing:

i have an HDHR which only reads unencryped and an hd pvr which obviously gets everything.

[22:10:36]

sphing:

my hd pvr can obviously record whatever my hdhr can... but channels are tied to a source

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[R]:

i have exactluy the same setup

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[R]:

and i have 2 sources... one for my hdpvr and one for my unencrypted

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sphing:

so if I want to record an unencrypted channel, can I setup myth to prioritize using my hdhr, but if they're both full fall back to my hd pvr?

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wagnerrp:

sphing: you *can* prioritize a tuner

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wagnerrp:

but the better option is to just specify the HDHR first

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will then only use the HDPVR if the recording cannot be found on the HDHR source, or if the HDHR is already in use

[22:14:28]

sphing:

wagnerrp: yes I know, but will myth understand that a channel is on two sources (assuming my recording is 'this channel only')?

[22:14:47]

wagnerrp:

setting priorities for things results in unexpected behavior more often than not

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sphing:

hehe

[22:14:59]

wagnerrp:

no, a 'this channel only' means that specific channel in the database

[22:15:13]

sphing:

gotcha.

[22:15:14]

wagnerrp:

you will have to separate channels, one for each source

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[R]:

i have tuner #1 be my hdpvr and tuner #2/#3 are my unencrypted... but then for my inputs... input #1/#2 is my unencyprted and input #3 is my hdpvr

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sphing:

so I do have a small use-case? Seems like a channel should me one-to-many with channels

[22:15:46]

[R]:

and livetv always picks the hdpvr first, and recordings always pick the unencrypted first

[22:15:48]

[R]:

works out quite nicely

[22:16:21]

[R]:

sphing: a channel is a channel

[22:16:46]

[R]:

and it is part of 1 video source

[22:17:13]

sphing:

[R]: I understand that's how it's done today, what I'm asking is does it make sense for a channel to potentially have more than one source

[22:17:17]

[R]:

i'm like 95% positive

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[R]:

the mythtv documentation

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[R]:

explains all of this quite nicely

[22:17:28]

sphing:

[R]: yes you are right

[22:17:32]

[R]:

sphing: then you have 2 channels

[22:17:50]

abqjp:

sphing: I have KOAT available via OTA, cable, and satellite. I added my OTA tuners first, followed by cabled, followed by satellite. Therefore, Myth will automatically choose OTA if available, fall back to cable next, and finally use satellite.

[22:18:05]

wagnerrp:

sphing: your other option is to remove those channels from the HDPVR

[22:18:33]

wagnerrp:

if you dont want to record them on the HDPVR, just remove them from your schedulesdirect lineup

[22:19:24]

sphing:

Thanks, I understand that what I'm looking for can be accomplished given the current data model. All that I'm pointing out is that it's cumbersome. There are use cases where a single logical channel can be fulfilled by multiple source, so it doesn't make sense to tie a channel to a single source.

[22:19:45]

abqjp:

sphing: and you don't have to.

[22:20:06]

wagnerrp:

sphing: patches welcome... :P

[22:20:08]

[R]:

the documentation explains it all quite nicely and explains why it is the way it is

[22:20:40]

sphing:

wagnerrp: yea, wondering how much of a rework that would be (not to mention maintaining backwards compatibility would be interesting)

[22:21:29]

wagnerrp:

sphing: mythtv has never had any form of backwards compatibility

[22:21:51]

sphing:

wagnerrp, While I'm by no means committing myself to making that patch, do you think it would get accepted if I made it

[22:22:22]

wagnerrp:

sphing: i think it would receive significant consideration depending on how much work was put into it

[22:23:16]

wagnerrp:

probably the way you would want to do it would be split channel into two tables, one for identification information, and one referencing it for tuning information

[22:24:19]

sphing:

wagnerrp, yea, I'm actually more interested in the changes needed to be made to scheduling code.

[22:24:42]

sphing:

though it would make the tuner prioritization be pretty sweet

[22:25:19]

wagnerrp:

sphing: you can do what you want right now, but it involves writing your own sql code for 'power recordings' or something like that

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sphing:

wagnerrp: Realisticaly it would be very difficult to actually release the code, I have to go through an approval process at work to release OSS code

[22:26:30]

Led-Hed:

Is there a way to force a Poster in MythVideo (0.22)

[22:26:38]

sphing:

but who knows... maybe I'll get fed up with it

[22:26:48]

wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: you mean outside of the existing grabbers?

[22:26:53]

Led-Hed:

when I press menu then scan, it doesnt find an image for a specific movie

[22:27:08]

[R]:

Led-Hed: scan doesn't find posters...

[22:27:08]

sphing:

anyway whtanks for your help wagnerrp, [R], and abqjp

[22:27:12]

Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, ya, I have a lot of posters that I have downloaded

[22:27:15]

wagnerrp:

you can put a image in the proper folder, and edit the poster manually

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Led-Hed:

ok, maybe things have changed. Where are the Video covers stored. I use to use posters as the images for movies I ripped.

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wagnerrp:

local files or storage groups?

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Led-Hed:

I dont use storage groups

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Led-Hed:

so I guess local

[22:29:02]

wagnerrp:

so local files... then you can technically put them whereever you please

[22:29:17]

wagnerrp:

then just provide the absolute file in the metadata editor in the UI

[22:29:22]

Led-Hed:

ok, I guess I'm using posters wrong.

[22:30:04]

Led-Hed:

I have the path to the posters setup correctly, but new movies I've added since upgrading to 0.22 dont have images.

[22:30:31]

Led-Hed:

old movies still find my images/covers I've specified

[22:30:41]

wagnerrp:

that would only happen if the posters do not exist, or if mythfrontend does not have write access

[22:31:02]

Led-Hed:

it has write access

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Led-Hed:

and the poster exists, with the exact name as the vob. only with a .jpg extension

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Led-Hed:

I tried adding it in MythWeb, but it didnt work

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Led-Hed:

NM. I'll just edit add it in MySQL

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

sphing: its so rare you see the recommendation to 'write some code' taken seriously

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** lyricnz tried to contribute to mythtv development, way back when, but found the community kindof unfriendly **

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[R]:

i'm gonna figure out this bug in the idle detection

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[R]:

and write a patch for it

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wagnerrp:

lyricnz: i wouldnt necessarily say unfriendly, more just engrossed in their own projects

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** lyricnz contributed a patch or two, iirc **

[22:58:40]

lyricnz:

At least one of them was committed

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lyricnz:

But... my OSS energy is spent elsewhere now

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lyricnz:

Alas

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lyricnz:

Most of my myth-related hassles these days are actually linuxtv nonsense

[23:00:51]

lyricnz:

dvb drivers, cards etc

[23:01:38]

Led-Hed:

I use VLC to play Ripped DVD's. But some play in Spanish on VLC and English in Xine. Anyone know if there is a way to specify an Audio Track on a per Video basis?

[23:02:20]

lyricnz:

vlc --help

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: depends on your container

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wagnerrp:

some allow you to specify a default

[23:02:45]

Led-Hed:

container?

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wagnerrp:

others let you define languages for the tracks, and lets the players decide their defaults

[23:03:44]

wagnerrp:

container... multiplex to a container, you encode to a codec

[23:04:04]

wagnerrp:

container would be avi, mpeg, mp4, mkv, nuv

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Led-Hed:

ok

[23:04:18]

Led-Hed:

they are vob's

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wagnerrp:

codec would be mpeg1, mpeg2, asp, avc, vc1

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Led-Hed:

mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

a slight modification to the mpeg2 container

[23:04:52]

Led-Hed:

I typically just rip the Main movie without menus

[23:07:28]

wagnerrp:

at least in mythtv, you can select the audio channel in a video file through the on screen menu

[23:07:38]

wagnerrp:

i cant say about other players

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Led-Hed:

I was just wondering if there was a way to make it the default for that player

[23:08:21]

wagnerrp:

for vlc or xine? this isnt the support channel for either of those

[23:09:04]

Led-Hed:

agreed, but there are a lot of users here with experience with both, and I was hoping that another myth user had come across my same issue.

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thread:

anyone have any idea why mute/volume might not work? I'm using pulseaudio -> alsa -> usb dac.

[23:11:35]

wagnerrp:

because mythtv is not designed to work with pulse audio

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[R]:

thread: you mean aside from the fact that pulseaudio is crap and kills baby kittens?

[23:11:36]

thread:

I can see the "Mute On" etc OSD when I hit F9, for instance, but nothing happens

[23:11:41]

lyricnz:

Led-Hed: "vlc -H" gives you a lot of perhaps-useful options (>4000 lines of output)

[23:11:47]

thread:

aww is that the case?

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wagnerrp:

so youre using a mixer device that does not match your actual output device

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[R]:

hrm... isn't taht a bit repetitive though? aren't kittens by definition babies?

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thread:

pulseaudio has worked great for me up till now...

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lyricnz:

death to pulseaudio!

[23:12:18]

wagnerrp:

and technically, unless youre running a very aged version of mythtv, or forcefully making mythtv allow pulseaudio

[23:12:25]

wagnerrp:

pulseaudio will be disabled when mythfrontend starts up

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thread:

ahh

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thread:

that explains why I don't see the stream in pavucontrol

[23:13:02]

thread:

am I able to play music with another app while mythtv is going?

[23:13:10]

wagnerrp:

aside from some outliers, pulseaudio has never worked well with mythtv

[23:13:22]

thread:

seems to me pulseaudio is what's allowing me to have multiple apps make sound simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

and has almost always resulted in severe audio/video sync issues

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wagnerrp:

ALSA allows multiple programs to output sound simultaneously just fine

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thread:

that's interesting stuff... didn't know pa/mythtv didn't mix

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sphery:

sphing: why not just use 2 different channels?

[23:14:52]

sphery:

and 2 different video sources?

[23:14:56]

sphery:

the way it's designed

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well the idea was that was 'cumbersome'

[23:15:30]

Led-Hed:

lyricnz, I tried --audio-language English, but that didnt change anything

[23:15:46]

sphing:

sphery, From a users perspective... I want to record show X

[23:15:57]

sphing:

I don't care if it's from tuner1 or tuner2

[23:16:12]

sphing:

I just want to record it... why should I have to figure out which tuner is available at the time?

[23:16:15]

wagnerrp:

sphing: generally, specific channel recordings are not recommended for that specific reason

[23:16:28]

sphery:

sphing: you don't... that's what callsigns are for

[23:16:45]

thread:

ok.. pulseaudio isn't running. I restarted mythfronted, and mute/vol still doesn't work. Audio output device: ALSA:default, Mixer Device: ALSA:default, Mixer Controls: PCM

[23:16:46]

sphery:

callsign says, "Treat these 2 channels with identical callsigns as the same channel."

[23:16:51]

thread:

anything else I could try ?

[23:17:03]

sphing:

sphery, There might be a nomenclature problem...

[23:17:11]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the 'specific channel' recording works off callsign rather than chanid?

[23:17:15]

sphery:

sphing: I will admit it's not at all intuitive, but it's designed such that it works in all cases

[23:17:23]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yep, callsign

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sphing:

ah, then it's designed as wanted

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sphery:

"this channel" = "the channel from which I've selected the recording and all channels with identical callsigns"

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt store the callsign internally, it pulls it from the referenced chanid?

[23:17:53]

sphery:

s/the recording/the episode/

[23:18:11]

sphery:

wagnerrp: right, so if you go changing callsigns, it will mess up your rules

[23:18:24]

wagnerrp:

ok, thats where i got confused, because when altering or deleting the channel, that chanes as well

[23:18:30]

sphery:

s/your rules/your rules that you didn't do properly, with "any channel" rules :)/

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sphing:

sphery, so then it's exactly what I want. Record on "ABC" is regardless of channel, just find a channel that's callsign is ABC

[23:20:24]

sphery:

What /should/ be done is the callsigns should be removed from the channel table, then stored in a separate "channelidentifier" table (not calling it callsign, because non-US people think callsign doesn't apply to them), then the channel table should reference the channelidentifier by row ID and the record table should store the channelidentifier row ID instead of channel ID

[23:20:47]

sphery:

or something like that

[23:20:52]

iamlindoro:

someone here needs a new nick

[23:20:53]

sphery:

would have to think it through a bit

[23:21:01]

iamlindoro:

because this conversation is not working for me

[23:21:03]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i was thinking the same thing

[23:21:18]

wagnerrp:

i cant tell you how many times i almost replied to sphery

[23:21:23]

sphery:

sphing: exactly... just like you said.

[23:21:55]

sphery:

yeah, even my autocomplete-last-spoke wouldn't have worked well in this conversation (if I weren't one of the 2 overlapping ones :)

[23:22:30]

wagnerrp:

and the worst part? xchat has you both colored red

[23:22:35]

iamlindoro:

here too

[23:22:42]

wagnerrp:

i cant even visually follow the conversation

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sphery:

wagnerrp: actually, probably the best approach would be to just store the callsign text in the record table...

[23:22:55]

sphery:

I could do that patch very easily

[23:23:03]

wagnerrp:

oh no! hes talking to himself again

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, do you know of an easy way to change a VOB's track order?

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sphing:

ok, I gotta go to dinner, but I thought the table that stored recordings used chanid to identify the channel not callsign

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wagnerrp:

sphing: correct, it stores a chanid, which it uses to pull a callsign, which is then used for the search

[23:23:57]

wagnerrp:

somewhat round-about

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: no idea, i dont use TS containers

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sphery:

sphing: the table uses chanid, but the scheduler uses a join to pull out callsign

[23:26:33]

sphery:

which is what wagnerrp said when I wasn't looking :)

[23:28:04]

wagnerrp:

must spend too much time looking down at that keyboard

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wagnerrp:

need to get you one of those german keyboards

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sphery:

I was spending time in another channel... :)

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BobLfoot:

Could use some suggestions. I followed the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 guide and I have Analog with no Audio, But Digital Works fine.

[23:42:15]

wagnerrp:

if you have no analog on an mpeg encoder, you most likely are trying to use it as a v4l card

[23:42:24]

wagnerrp:

it should be used as an mpeg encode

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BobLfoot:

I am using IVTV MPEG-2 Encoder Card for /dev/video0.

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wagnerrp:

are you using it as a tuner? or video capture?

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BobLfoot:

It is setup under Capture Card Setup

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: Maybe I misunderstood it is for receiving Analog Channel 4 from my Satellite receiver Output

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wagnerrp:

if you mention 'channel', then youre using it as a tuner

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wagnerrp:

capture card would be if you had it hooked up over composite or svideo, with RCA or 1/8" audio (which you really should be doing in that scenario)

[23:47:02]

wagnerrp:

if youre using it as a tuner, everything is supposed to 'just work'

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wagnerrp:

thats the whole point of the mpeg encoder cards

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: so I thought also. Maybe I'll repeat the wiki steps. Also going to remove the HVR-1800 just in case they are conflicting with each other.

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wagnerrp:

it would appear that on the 1600 (probably due to some issues in the driver which may be fixed by now), you have to trigger one recording on boot

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wagnerrp:

there is a script on that page you linked when explains exactly how to do that

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: Let me try the script and I'll let you know – appreciate your patience.

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