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Friday, January 1st, 2010, 00:13 AST

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[R]:

is there a way to temoraritly suspend jobs from running?

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wagnerrp:

you can 'pause' from the information menu, system status

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wagnerrp:

but that just updates a field in the jobqueue table, its up to the jobs themselves to actually follow them

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[R]:

what key do i hit?

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wagnerrp:

one of the menu keys, or maybe enter

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember what

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[R]:

it was enter

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cdinoz:

firsttimer here with mythtv under ubuntu- question is regarding now getting lower than three 'levels' down in menu

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cdinoz:

(not)

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cdinoz:

fault occurred after adjusting something from QT to opengl (i think). cant find info on how to reset to defaults

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[R]:

huh?

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cdinoz:

menu level 1 and 2 will work and display but if you go lower than that it's as if the menus are opening on a phantom second display

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[R]:

menu level?

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[R]:

what?

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cdinoz:

only pressing esc returns to menu

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cdinoz:

menus in either the frontend of backend

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cdinoz:

any help? even on how to remove prefs/ force default prefs etc?

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iamlindoro:

cdinoz, mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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iamlindoro:

then go to Utilities/Setup->Setup->Appearance and set it back to qt

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cdinoz:

cool

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cdinoz:

seemed like a showstopper. on this screen why is there 'default' & 'Default' ?

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

default what?

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k_ross:

hmm interesting you bring that up. i had the same problem in the windows port. so i just gave up on it figuring the windows version was broken

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k_ross:

the problem i'm referring to was, from the main menu i could select Setup. then select setup again on the next screen. then get nothing, but hitting escape works

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k_ross:

is that the same problem cdinoz?

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cdinoz:

yep that is the same issue

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cdinoz:

but that technique you gave me seems to have rectified.

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k_ross:

hmm, i figured it was just a problem with the windows version, so i gave up

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cdinoz:

would i have to do on backend as well?

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iamlindoro:

only if your video driver is broken there too

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cdinoz:

bit of newbie with ubuntu and drivers. so thought opengl would be 'better' hardware in this pc is relatively good

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AndyCap:

Welcome to 2010 everyone. :P and a hello from the future to people on the west coast of the US.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what youre talking about

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wagnerrp:

its been the future for a while now

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wagnerrp:

weve already got our flying cars here

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wagnerrp:

jetpacks are supposed to be in by morning

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AndyCap:

Dangit. :)

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AndyCap:

I was hoping to be the only one in a hovercar today

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wagnerrp:

hovercar? thats so last year

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AndyCap:

So I'll be the only one. \o/

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squidly:

happy new year

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wagnerrp:

so im about to post to the mailing list a notification of the new python bindings, cant decide whether to put it on -dev or -users

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k_ross:

so i seem to have the windows version working now. is there any type of hardware acceleration of video decoding on the windows version? my guess is no....

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wagnerrp:

k_ross: probably the standard directx acceleration

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wagnerrp:

all the same stuff as Xv

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k_ross:

right, just the standard scaling and color space conversion, but no codec decoding

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[R]:

wagnerrp: whats the point of the oldrecorded table?

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wagnerrp:

to keep track of old recordings, of course

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

and what does it do with the information

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wagnerrp:

store... for ever, and ever, and ever

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i being serious

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wagnerrp:

its for matching future recordings against ones that have already been recorded

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wagnerrp:

duplicate tracking

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[R]:

oh, so i dont record thigns that were already recorded

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

if the 'duplicate' field is one, it will block all but a forced recording

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wagnerrp:

it probably has the same behavior for any value 1–9

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wagnerrp:

at 10, it would probably break

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[R]:

its not going to expire stuff unless i run low on space right?

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wagnerrp:

recordings, no

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wagnerrp:

livetv gets expired after 24 hours (i believe)

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[R]:

is there a list somewhere of the names of the differnet storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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wagnerrp:

youve got Default and LiveTV for recordings, plus any additional ones you create and tell it to record to

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[R]:

well like mythvideo has a bunch

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wagnerrp:

and then theres Videos, Trailers, Fanart, Banners, Screenshots, Coverart for mythvideo

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[R]:

do you write code for your job?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but thats not my primary duty

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wagnerrp:

more a side effect

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

IT?

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wagnerrp:

engineering

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[R]:

what kind of stuff?

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wagnerrp:

rocket science

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[R]:

fancy

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[R]:

i work on software defined radios

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wagnerrp:

specifically, compressor design

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wagnerrp:

computational simulation of compressors

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[R]:

sounds complicated

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wagnerrp:

well its all based around a set of five equations

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wagnerrp:

compounded by several decades worth of flow modeling because we dont have the computational capacity to run those equations directly for any useful geometry

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[R]:

i hate math

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wagnerrp:

well you certainly wouldnt like my field then

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wagnerrp:

its ALL math

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wagnerrp:

primarily differential equations

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wagnerrp:

basically discretized calculus

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[R]:

yeah, i deal with RF... and theres tons of math there... and it just totally goes over my head

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[R]:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /275584.html

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[R]:

thats interesting

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wagnerrp:

oh you dirty dirty man

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wagnerrp:

using HTML emails

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wagnerrp:

what irony from someone named 'spamvern'

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[R]:

i'm gonna try that hint

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Fleck:

how can i view videos from network drive (samba shared on another PC with gbit lan)

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[R]:

Fleck: mount it and put it in a dir mythvideo can see

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Fleck:

mount in terminal?

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[R]:

mount it however you want to mount it

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Fleck:

[R] i want trough mythtv :P

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[R]:

Fleck: mythtv doesn't mount things

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wagnerrp:

doesnt it mount DVDs?

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wagnerrp:

or does the DVD code read it directly without mounting

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[R]:

two shea

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wagnerrp:

would that be 'touche'?

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[R]:

maybe

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wagnerrp:

heh... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/ . . . -sexting.ars

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Fleck:

[R] ok mounted – waching ;)

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Fleck:

nice

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Fleck:

another q. how can i add channel groups?

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Fleck:

i have only one now – favorites

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Fleck:

more needed

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[R]:

i think you can set that up in the menus in the frontend

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Fleck:

another one – when i quit TV Watching (aka LiveTV) i get crackling noise

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Fleck:

where can i view password for backend? need to join one PC to backend

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mark86___:

hello

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mark__:

i'm looking for help with mythtv...

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mark__:

is anyone here able to help me? i'm getting a purple hue on the video when using the opengl renderer.

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Fleck:

MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1) << where do i change this? backend is not on localhost

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Fleck:

OK, found how to join backend, now i have problem – it's seems that backend is recording all

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Fleck:

and is using 30GB allready (yesterday setup) and i can see many recorded shows

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Fleck:

because of this i cannot watch live tv

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Fleck:

from another PC

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Fleck:

i get error about all inputs

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Fleck:

allready used

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Fleck:

how can i turn it off

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lyricnz:

go to the view-recordings, and select "stop recording"

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lyricnz:

have you left the mythbacked watching livetv perhaps?

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lyricnz:

this uses the tuner

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GlemSom:

On some HD channels I get a slight stutter... I have some output in my log, but I'm unsure what it means -> http://pastebin.ca/1733909

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GlemSom:

CPU load about 3%, using VDPAU with a nvidia 9600GT card (2x advanced)... mythtv-0.22-fixes@23034

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Fleck:

lyricnz how can i left BACKEND to watch TV? :)

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lyricnz:

if that machine is backend+frontend

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Fleck:

no

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Fleck:

restarted backend pc – now works ;)

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lyricnz:

maybe a frontend died in such a way that the backend didn't notice or something. Meh

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Fleck:

ok anorher one – how can i change font size for EPG?

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Fleck:

font is sooo big

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Fleck:

GlemSom welcome to the club :P same here ;)

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Fleck:

GlemSom http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7481

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GlemSom:

Fleck, thanks – at least I'm not alone here then :P

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Fleck:

:)

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Fleck:

help :) /var/lib/mythtv/livetv is full of videos

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Fleck:

and currently are no recordings active – but there backend saves anyway current show all the time

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Elwell:

hey gang – I'm trying to set up a diskless, wireless IONITX board – works well with minimyth wired, but unsuprisingly won't pxeboot with wireless. Whats the simplest way to get enough to boot from a USB stick? (mythbuntu live CD works but not got anywhere to save stuff to...

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Elwell:

btw – rather impressed at the motherboard

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xand:

install an OS to the usb stick as if it were a harddisk

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Elwell:

yeah – think I'll need 2 sticks then – one to boot from, one to install to

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jduggan:

nfsroot

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jduggan:

you dont need to install to anything

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xand:

how are you going to do that on wireless?

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xand:

you can't net boot with it

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jduggan:

fwiw, wireless sucks, avoid it

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Elwell:

still gotta have some USB boot medium

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xand:

yeah wireless does suck

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Elwell:

jduggan: concrete walls in a rented house – running cable here's not possible

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** Elwell wonders if PXE works over powerline ethernet **

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jduggan:

cant tack it to skirting boards+door frames?

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jduggan:

thats what i do in a rented house :)

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jduggan:

white cable tacked to skirting boards

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Elwell:

jduggan: nope – also plan is to have an almost portable player (just needs power)

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** xand uses ducttape **

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jduggan:

ah

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mzb:

Elwell, 2GB USB stick and an nfs mount for work(etc) should be enough

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Elwell:

mzb: thats the plan

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** Elwell should really buy a real case **

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Elwell:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/4226936374/

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mzb:

hehe

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jduggan:

hah

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xand:

I have an IDE->CF adaptor in my mini-itx machine

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xand:

with debian on

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xand:

er, with debian on a 2GB CF card that is

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Elwell:

hah! installer found the 2nd stick – this looks promising

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mzb:

I've gone (back) to having the computer under the floor ... no need for a nice case ;)

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xand:

should Just Work as if it were a harddisk

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Elwell:

yup

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xand:

under the floor...

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xand:

doesn't it get dusty?

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mzb:

{under the floor} == {garage}

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** Elwell has no case on the backend – http://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/4195112528/ **

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mzb:

I don't reckon I'd survive without a case ... 7 hdd's and 4 tuners

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xand:

my backend stores on a different machine

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** Elwell just has 2 USB stick dvb-t tuners now, but will add a dvb-s2 'soon' so suspects he'll need more powerful backend **

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mzb:

hmm ... watch out for those stick tuners, many of them overheat with mythtv usage

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xand:

I have problems with more than one tuner card... some channels don't work properly

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xand:

stupid freeview and crappy reception maybe

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mzb:

$ femon -a

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mzb:

$ femon -H -a

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mzb:

(assuming dvb)

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Elwell:

mzb: ah, not designed for 24/7 use?

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mzb:

not from what I've heard

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** Elwell has an old freecom and just recently bought a twin pinnacle **

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mzb:

I find USB tuners in general to be less reliable, both hardware and software/firmware

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patdk-lap:

hmm I think I did something stupid in settings and can't get it back, even after I unchanged the setting

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patdk-lap:

all my 4x3 videos playback in 16x9 streched, instead of with black bars on the sides

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dspDrew:

does anyone know if timewarner is dropping fox for sure

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Dagmar:

Why don't you call them and find out

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dspDrew:

I'll do that when I have an extra hour to sit on the phone

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Dagmar:

Like you're doing anything right now

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Fleck:

any ideas why epg for DVB-S2 channels are not displayed – actually not only dvb-s2 – scanned one frequency and for all those channels EPG is not displayed....

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elmojo:

Fleck: did those mythbuntu cheatsheet instructions work?

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Fleck:

elmojo dunno – i compiled in usual way :)

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wagnerrp:

well that was fun

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wagnerrp:

one trip to the basement later and im holding a dead 8-port gigabit switch in my hands

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elmojo:

Fleck: even better. :)

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Fleck:

elmojo yeah, now i have next problem :P

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Fleck:

some of the channels are not displaying epg :(

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elmojo:

Fleck: and you did a complete run of mythfilldatabase?

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elmojo:

or do you use EIT for those channels?

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Fleck:

EIT yes

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elmojo:

hmm... I'm probably of no help since I don't ever use your type of setup

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Fleck:

and i know there is epg for those channels

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elmojo:

have you enabled the appropriate logging and debugged any?

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Fleck:

wait

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|Fleck|:

elmojo i'm here ;)

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|Fleck|:

elmojo i dunno where to check and check for what – as channels are scanned OK and names displaying OK

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: you can try -v eit for starts on the backend and frontend

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elmojo:

you can also try some other verbose options (-v help)

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elmojo:

ie. -v eit,extra

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: it's good you are compiling from source after this happened today -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/415572

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sphery:

elmojo: heh, that was a good reply

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wagnerrp:

wow... thats horrible

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wagnerrp:

shame they did so anonymous

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|Fleck|:

elmojo i have such errors in backend.log: Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(10301) desired(10302)

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wagnerrp:

|Fleck|: digital cable?

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|Fleck|:

sat

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|Fleck|:

with diseqc and 4 LNBS

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|Fleck|:

LNBs

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wagnerrp:

usually that means your provider has shifted programs around within the multiplex

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wagnerrp:

and myth found it through some other means, channame or something

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elmojo:

sphery: it was at least a good laugh... great way to start the new year

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wagnerrp:

its a warning to fix your channel table

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|Fleck|:

wagnerrp and?

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wagnerrp:

and? fix your channel table

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wagnerrp:

rescan with minimal updates

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|Fleck|:

how can i fix it?

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|Fleck|:

well i just rescanned ;P and there is no difference

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wagnerrp:

ah, no idea then

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sphery:

elmojo: agreed

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sphery:

gbee got funnier in 2010 :)

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elmojo:

sphery: they really should require registration of some sort to stop that nonsense

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sphery:

that's the plan...

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elmojo:

good

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sphery:

just looking to get it implemented, still

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sphery:

that's what he meant by "in the future..." (though he could ban the IP even now)

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: sorry I'm not much help but hopefully someone on your side of the planet will help you... you can always try the ML too

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|Fleck|:

heh

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: everyone active in the channel right now are in the US and most likely use schedule's direct for guide data

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|Fleck|:

elmojo it's not only epg – the channel doesn't work

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|Fleck|:

http://pastebin.com/m3e9d1c30

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wagnerrp:

ugh.... GS116 or JGS516

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|Fleck|:

this happens when i switch to that channel every time

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wagnerrp:

decisions, decisions...

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elmojo:

sphery: weren't there some discussions about DVB-S2 scanning issues recently?

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elmojo:

trying to remember who was discussing it

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|Fleck|:

elmojo maybe at the begining i should reinstall back mythtv from ppa ?

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: are you having an issue with just one specific channel... which one?

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|Fleck|:

maybe my compilation doesn't work OK

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: I have my doubts that is your issue

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|Fleck|:

elmojo no all freq. i scanned 12073000hz and there are more channels, but all without epg ;)

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elmojo:

if you don't mind restarting from scratch then you could wipe you database and start afresh

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|Fleck|:

noone works

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: could be a known scanning bug you are dealing with

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|Fleck|:

ok

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: this sounds like it might be related -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/395733#395733

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: are you also using XMLTV listings data?

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|Fleck|:

dunno – so i guess not

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: do you use DVB-S2 only? or do you mix with other types of cards?

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sphery:

elmojo: I don't remember--don't pay a lot of attention to DVB stuff

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|Fleck|:

i have DVB-S2 card but i can and do view DVB-S channel too

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elmojo:

sphery: me neither :(

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: so are they both being used together on the same system?

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|Fleck|:

elmojo yes :) on one satelite there are S and S2 channels

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elmojo:

ok... some discussion on the ML about that

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elmojo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/411136#411136

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|Fleck|:

i have one card :)

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: as you can tell I have no idea what I'm talking about :)

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|Fleck|:

who can tell me – what is the correct way to set input sources – one for each LNB or one for all

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sphery:

one for each group of shared channels--i.e. channels that are tuned exactly the same using the same type of capture device

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sphery:

er, nvm...

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sphery:

I'm talking about video sources, not input sources

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|Fleck|:

i will try to set one input source

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sphery:

I think you need to use a separate video source for each LNB

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sphery:

Have you read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S&nbs p;? It knows far more than I do.

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|Fleck|:

sphery sorry not input sources but video sources

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|Fleck|:

and yes – from that wiki page – i need 4 video sources

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|Fleck|:

so this is not the problem i guess

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sphery:

well, knowing that you've done that part right only means you can focus debugging elsewhere :)

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|Fleck|:

sphery yeah...

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thread:

I'm almost positive the reason my vol/mute controls don't work is that I'm outputting to a USB DAC... and I can't even change volume in my alsamixer.

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Dagmar:

That's possible

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Dagmar:

If you Google a bit with the device's name you might be able to find out if other people have run into that

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thread:

What I really don't get is why the checkbox for "Use internal mixer", when checked, let's me specify the mixer device etc

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thread:

use internal mixer sounds like exactly what I want...

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thread:

why can't mythtv take care of its own levels?

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thread:

Dagmar: I've used numerous usb dacs... they all work like this

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Dagmar:

My Logitech headset doens't.

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thread:

they're meant to output a fixed, line-level signal

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thread:

it's not a dac

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thread:

dacs do not have volume controls

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Dagmar:

That doesn't mean the USB devices driving them can't.

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thread:

you mean drivers prolly?

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Dagmar:

...and yes, I can assure you it has a DAC in it.

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't be hearing much if it weren't.

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thread:

of course

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thread:

it has an amp part also, though

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thread:

there is no amp part involved in a dac

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thread:

the amp is separate

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Dagmar:

You wouldn't know it from looking at the dinky little thing I'm plugging into the USB port

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thread:

yeah... they make em small

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thread:

eg tiny ipods etc

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thread:

I really expected mythtv to be capable of changing its own volume independent of the system mixers one way or another

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ive ever seen a consumer grade output device that doesnt have an amp

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thread:

wagnerrp: I have audiophile dacs

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thread:

I use separate amps with them

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Dagmar:

I think the 'use internal controls' option doesn't do what you're expecting

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thread:

Dagmar: right! it sounds like exactly what i want, but it doesn't help

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wagnerrp:

thread: the idea is that mythtv is the only thing running on the machine anyway, why would you need to control anything but the master volume

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Dagmar:

thread: Are you for sure using ALSA and not OSS?

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thread:

and further, the interface confuses me... I would expect to see more options when I DISABLE it.

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Dagmar:

This guy, for instance, is screwed http://i27.tinypic.com/ienz2x.jpg

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thread:

instead, I get more control when it is enabled.

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Dagmar:

He's using OSS

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Dagmar:

You can tell because he's got /dev/dsp showing--not ALSA:default

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wagnerrp:

'internal volume control' just means myth's volume controls work, and work directly on the mixer device given

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thread:

wagnerrp: I like to play music and mute the tv

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thread:

Dagmar: yeah. I'm an alsa.

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wagnerrp:

not 'internal volume control' means youre going to control volume entirely through the external amp

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wagnerrp:

now you could argue that would be a perfect place to offer a script for an IR blaster

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thread:

I've got ALSA:Default it a couple places

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wagnerrp:

but no one has found the need (and the will to program it)

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Dagmar:

In theory ALSA can manage to control audio levels wihtout a mixer device, but it's a big pain in the ass that requires reading ALSA docs

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thread:

I totally expected "internal volume control" to mean mythtv was going to adjust its own volume in a software mixer mode, and not worry about the system's mixers

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

This URL *may* help with the creation of a virtual mixer device http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/How_to_use_ . . . aster_volume

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thread:

oh wow

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thread:

that does sound promising

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Dagmar:

If you go mad as a result of reading it, don't mention my name to CNN

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Dagmar:

ALSA docs somewhat assume you already know ALSA like the back of your hand

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thread:

I'm afraid, though, that it will change the volume of the music just the same

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thread:

and I wanted to change them independently

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thread:

lol what's CNN got to do with this?

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Dagmar:

If my name comes out of Nancy Grace's mouth, I'll hunt you down and kill you.

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Dagmar:

It's pretty simple

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thread:

lol

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Dagmar:

If you want to control the volume of the music and the TV separately, you're going to have to create two softmixers and configure them separately wihtin MythMusic and Myth

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Dagmar:

I'm not entirely sure that's possible

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thread:

hah

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thread:

this is why I pretty well liked the idea of pulseaudio

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Dagmar:

I've not looked at the controls for MythMusic in a long time

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thread:

it seemed to solve all this

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Dagmar:

PulseAudio won't help you

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thread:

...because it doesn't work with mythtv?

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Dagmar:

If you want to control music levels and TV levels separately, you'll still need to configure each to use a different output, even if one is virtual

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Dagmar:

PulseAudio is a sound server whose primary job is keeping things from coming ot a screetching halt when more than one thing tries to output to the same sound card at the same time

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Dagmar:

Generally, cheapass cards and chipsets can only handle one stream of audio at a time

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thread:

yeah, I've never geeked out too seriously on alsa, though I suppose this might be an opportunity

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thread:

but you're not even sure it's possible to do what i need

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Dagmar:

If something's already playing, the sound card is effectively blocked from anything else's use

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Dagmar:

I'm sure it's possible

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Dagmar:

it'll just be a huge pain in the ass

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Dagmar:

You can make ALSA "upmix" a 2-channel stereo output to 5.1, up to and including the filtering necessary for the subwoofer

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Dagmar:

It

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Dagmar:

It's just a big pain in the ass

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thread:

pusleaudio seems to hook programs' audio outputs... allowing them to think they're using straight ALSA, even... and multiplex them into one stream for even "cheapass cards"

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Dagmar:

I actually documented part of that on the myth wiki when I was trying to figure it out

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Dagmar:

Here's the problem.

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Dagmar:

ALSA can *already* mux outputs using dmix

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thread:

... AND allow me to independently change levels with like pavucontrol

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Dagmar:

dmix is generally built right into everyone's alsa config by default now

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Dagmar:

It just occasionally screws up and thinks it's dealing with a better sound card than it ha

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thread:

oic

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic wont keep playing when you exit it will it?

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thread:

i haven't tried mythmusic

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Dagmar:

....but dmix is what ALSA already uses to eliminate that problem, basiclaly

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iamlindoro:

it will if you set it to

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iamlindoro:

(through the miniplayer

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Dagmar:

That way it can crash silently in the background. ;)

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wagnerrp:

ok, i didnt think that was going to happen until it got mythui'd

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iamlindoro:

the miniplayer has been mythui'd

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Dagmar:

MythMusic has had the option of playing in the background since 0.21-fixes at least

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Dagmar:

My gf managed to bug the hell out of me one afternoon because she couldn't figure out why her music was still playing and I had to stop hacking to fix it

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thread:

might have to check out mythmusic... I would prefer to use my MoC, though

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Dagmar:

It's buggy and it's playlist functionality is awkward

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thread:

doesn't anyone else want mythtv to have a software mixer? that would completely solve my problem :/

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thread:

I know apps do this... I've seed it.

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thread:

seen, even

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Dagmar:

That having been said, I'll be damned if I can think of any way to make selecting music from a big pile using only four buttons *not* be a pain in the ass

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wagnerrp:

thread: like i said, the myth devs generally expect myth will be the only open application

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Dagmar:

thread: You can create your own software mixer device

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wagnerrp:

there is softvol code in myth now, but thats intended for passthrough digital

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA_upmixing <-- this may help a bit

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Dagmar:

It's details taper off because when I was writing it and got to the end, I realized that while what I did *worked*, and I read the ALSA docs to figure it out, I really still didn't understand WTF was going on in it

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Dagmar:

Their documentation sucked that hard

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thread:

hah

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Dagmar:

...but it *does* illustrate the creation of a softmixer

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thread:

but this won't let me control the mythtv volume independent of the rest of the system

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thread:

which is really what i need

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thread:

right?

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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thread:

http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/How_to_use_ . . . aster_volume looks more promising

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thread:

... if complicated as hell

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Dagmar:

This ENTIRELY depends on which device you're pointing your output at

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Dagmar:

that's one of hte pages I read while I was figuring it out here

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Dagmar:

Lemme put this simply

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Dagmar:

That wiki page I linked was to make ALSA pass audio through a virtualized output

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thread:

right, I get that

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Dagmar:

I had a stereo audio source, and I wanted ALSA to handle the heavy lifting of splitting it out to six speakers

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Dagmar:

You're basically creating a *virtual* device for ALSA-enabled software to send audio to

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Dagmar:

There's no restriction on *how many of these* you might have

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Dagmar:

There is a degree to which it *ALREADY* has many of these

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thread:

so i should be able to create one for mythtv

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thread:

it would have its own mixer knob

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Dagmar:

Like, for instance, `speaker-test -c6 -Dsurround51` sends audio to the virtual 'surround51' device

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Dagmar:

yes

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thread:

and i could configure mtv to use ALSA:mythtv

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sphery:

okolsi: fwiw, danielk's commit at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7836#comment:3 may prevent the problem that triggered the Qt bug

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thread:

Dagmar: that's very helpful... I'll have to experiment in this direction.

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thread:

Thanks, Dagmar & everyone

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Dagmar:

Just be glad you're not dealing with JACK

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thread:

heh... I've dealt more with JACK, actually

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Dagmar:

...although it makes normalizing audio marginally less hairy

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gizmobay:

Is it me or does MTV not start and end on the times per the schedule?

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Dagmar:

What schedule

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Dagmar:

Maybe MTV4 or something has a schedule

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize mtv had any form of quality programming one would care to record

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Dagmar:

1 & 2 are just commercials 24/7

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wagnerrp:

and unreality tv

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gizmobay:

the kids like it

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gizmobay:

SD says the show goes from 10–11 but the majority of them get clipped

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Dagmar:

So turn up the preroll/postroll times so it records ten minutes before and after on that channel

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Dagmar:

...or tell your kids to stop listening to that crap music and go to a local venue

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NoClue:

Hi, I have installed a User Job in mythtv 0,22 to convert recordings for an ipod. How do I manually run this job on a specific recording?

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wagnerrp:

hit 'i', scroll down to jobqueue, and select your job

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NoClue:

I tried that but I don't have a jobqueue option. Only Job Options and under that is just Begin Transcoding and Begin Commercial Flagging.

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wagnerrp:

because you have not 'installed' the user job

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wagnerrp:

installing implies you have pulled up mythtv-setup, gone into the general settings, added the program into one of the four slots, and restarted the backend

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wagnerrp:

you may also have to mark that slot as runnable on that backend, i dont recall if they are by default

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NoClue:

I will check in mythtv-setup.

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wagnerrp:

there is currently no auto-enumeration of all available scripts in a directory

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wagnerrp:

gossamer-threads really lags behind...

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NoClue:

Okay, maybe something is wrong. User Job #1 has a description of "Convert to iPod" but there is no command under User Job #1 Command.

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wagnerrp:

you have to type it in yourself

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wagnerrp:

unless you had some outside installer dump it straight into the database, mythtv will not do it for you

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NoClue:

I installed mythexport and set the job up using the web interface, but obviously that does not work properly.

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wagnerrp:

web interface.... meaning mythweb?

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NoClue:

no http://localhost/mythexport

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wagnerrp:

so that would be some weird mythbuntu thing, not a myth interface, not anything ive ever seen

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defaultro:

happy new year folks

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NoClue:

I install the mythexport package and it gives access to that web interface

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defaultro:

who are into photography here using DSLRs? :)

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wagnerrp:

NoClue: thats fine... that web interface is not a mythtv interface

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wagnerrp:

mythexport is not an official mythtv program

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wagnerrp:

it is a export tool whipped up by the mythbuntu guys

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danlench:

happy new year all. ever since i moved to mythbuntu 9.10 myth 0.22 i think, things just aren't quite right. when watching live tv, i am unable to rewind unless i pause and build up some time first. also, the time buffered while i am unable to rewind is only 1 sec or so, in mythbuntu 9.04 was 5 sec at least! any ideas?

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NoClue:

okay. Is there an official iPod convertor?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Dagmar:

Have somoene check your water for lead

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NoClue:

Okay. Thanks. I will scoure the net for something.

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wagnerrp:

danlench: mythtv will allow you to rewind all the way to the beginning of the current show, or when you started watching livetv

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wagnerrp:

whichever is more recent

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu9.10/mythtv0.22 does not change this

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danlench:

wagnerrp good to see you again. i agree and it does. the rewind function is sort of locked out though until i pause for 5 sec

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wagnerrp:

i cant think of any scenario that would cause that

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wagnerrp:

besides having just starting livetv, and not having any backlog to rewind to

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danlench:

the dvd transcoding is wonky also. i didn't check the md5 for the iso or the disc before i installed like i usually do so maybe there is a systemic problem in the install that i'm unaware of. it is 64 and from a clean install since the upgrade borked everything up.

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danlench:

wonky as in it doesn't work or gather the name of the disc

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wagnerrp:

never used mythvideo's dvd ripping

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thread:

Dagmar, wagnerrp: I created a "mythtv" softvol device... and now mythtv can mute itself etc

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thread:

perfect solution.

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thread:

thanks again ! :)

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danlench:

ok the md5 checks. i'm gonna try a DBAN and reinstall. if that doesn't work, i'm going back to mythbuntu 9.04 using the same disc and see if that fixes things.

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foo8ar:

happy new year all mythtv-users. i have a question regarding dvb subtitles and 0.22. it seems that they have moved up and left instead of centered and low. i saw a thread in the mailing list but no apparent solution. anyone here that any hint or info?

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danlench:

happy twenty ten everyone

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danlench:

later wagnerrp thx

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metalac:

with hvr-2250, should i be able to receive all the non-5c encrypted channels?

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[R]:

you will recieve anythihgn they have on clearqam

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[R]:

nothing to do with 5c

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[R]:

5c is a thing that is on firewire

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mkrufky:

the answer is yes

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metalac:

so how can i find out what's on clearqam?

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[R]:

scan

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metalac:

i've been having issues with firewire as of late

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metalac:

[R]: how can i scan if i don't have the 2250 hardware?

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metalac:

anyway to check before buying it?

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[R]:

you can check silicon dust's website

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[R]:

they have a list of most areas

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metalac:

[R]: found it, thanks

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metalac:

it sucks, it's only locals :(, I guess I'll have to go with hd-pvr

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metalac:

anyone knows why i would start getting bad firewire reception all of a sudden? it stutters a lot and it looks like i'm dropping frames

[17:33:28]

metalac:

tried stabilizing the connection and switching between internal and external firewire card

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metalac:

also did shut off/on procedure

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metalac:

still the same

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[R]:

bad box... cable company hates you... ghosts... take your pic

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metalac:

well it's been working without a fail for the last 2 years

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wagnerrp:

that means you have several year old hardware

[17:39:41]

wagnerrp:

stuff breaks

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wagnerrp:

like my network switch that puffed blue smoke this morning

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metalac:

usually electronics break catastrophically not just "kind of" break

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[R]:

wagnerrp: was it really blue?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: i wouldnt actually know, i was asleep

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

power light goes on, but nothing will connect

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wagnerrp:

metalac: thats the 'kind of' breaking that usually occurs

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wagnerrp:

you dont get catastrophic failure of electronics unless you short something

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metalac:

no but usually something will not work

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metalac:

like your switch will not drop a lot of packets, it would just not work at a given port

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wagnerrp:

not so, ive had a switch fail in that manner

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wagnerrp:

started dropping anything over about 10kbps over one port

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mangus580_:

Happy New Year everyone!

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mangus580_:

anyone setup an HDPVR with myth (in here at least)

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

i dont think anyone has

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[R]:

maybe you can be the first!

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[R]:

:)

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mangus580_:

[R]: thanks!

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mangus580_:

I have it hooked up... just has really slow playback

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[R]:

what kind of machine are you using to play it back

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mangus580_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500037

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mangus580_:

using that board

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[R]:

did you set it to use vdpau?

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[R]:

are you using the latest nvidia drivers?

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mangus580_:

yes... didnt seem to make a difference, unless I need to restart it

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[R]:

after changing what?

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mangus580_:

I think I have teh latest nvidia... its a fresh install of mythbuntu last week

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mangus580_:

changing to vdpau

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[R]:

sounds like its not using vdpau

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[R]:

if its slow

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[R]:

whichc profile did you set it to?

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mangus580_:

I used this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Enabling_VDPAU_in_MythFrontend

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justinp_home:

Afternoon and happy new year, folks

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mangus580_:

and all I saw was settings to turn on vdpau... didnt see the settings it seemed to be referring to there

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[R]:

there is no

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[R]:

"vdpau on" checkbox

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justinp_home:

I was wondering if .22 is stable enough to make the upgrade from .21 worthwhile?

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[R]:

justinp_home: works here

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[R]:

mangus580_: i think the version mythbuntu ships with is crap

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mangus580_:

understood, i went in and changed each of the profiles to use vdpau

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[R]:

mangus580_: get the mnythbuntu repos and update to fixes

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mangus580_:

ok

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justinp_home:

How would I best go about the upgrade? backup my database and then just go for it?

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[R]:

justinp_home: i think thats generlaly what people do

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mangus580_:

[R]: it is using fixes 2259

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[R]:

mangus580_: and your point?

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mangus580_:

sorry, 22594

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justinp_home:

Right on. I think I'll do the upgrade, and then see if it takes care of the issues I've been having before I start working on those

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mangus580_:

you said to update to fixes

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[R]:

mangus580_: yes... i did

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[R]:

i also said to get the repos

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mangus580_:

ok, I thought I had the repos already

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mangus580_:

sorry

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[R]:

did you enable them?

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kc:

mangus580_: See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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mangus580_:

would you suggest upgrading to 0.23?

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kc:

no

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kc:

Just do 22-fixes with the auto-builds

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mkrufky:

im running 0.22 on ubuntu karmic with the latest nvidia drivers on my asrock ion 330 box, and i see some clipping during hd playback in myth at the top of the screen.... anybody else have this problem, or... anybody have the same hardware running without the clipping?

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mkrufky:

(using vdpau, of course)

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kc:

clipping or tearing?

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mkrufky:

tearing, actually — thanks

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mkrufky:

my friends dont notice it but i do and it kinda drives me crazy

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oobe:

changing deinterlaces usually helps mkrufky

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mkrufky:

my other machine doesnt have tearing during playback, but this one does, and this ASRock ION 330 is supposed to be very good

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mkrufky:

thanks, i'll try that oobe

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oobe:

i cant suggest which one though as it varies too much

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kc:

Last time I had tearing issues, I went into nvidia-settings and checked sync to vblank.

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oobe:

oh that might work too

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kc:

:)

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mangus580_:

that seems to have helped it

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mangus580_:

would vdpau effect recording?

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Dagmar:

You shold probably read up on what that is before you ask any more questions

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mangus580_:

thanks dagmar.... complex answer to a simple question

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Dagmar:

Thanks whining, newb

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Dagmar:

it's always great to get bitched at for making a suggestion that will prevent making people think you're clueless

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mangus580_:

Dag, I asked a simple yes/no question thats all

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mangus580_:

the reason I asked, is because turning on vdpau didnt seem to fix the recording I have that was playing jerky

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, You may not have been around when we made the announcement, but we're going to be enforcing courteous treatment (especially of new users) in the channel a lot more diligently. Please watch the language and just leave them alone if you don't want to be friendly

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Dagmar:

And I suggested politely that you should at least do the least bit of google searching before asking any more stupid questions

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kc:

mangus580_: no, it will not affect recordings

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iamlindoro:

mangus580_, No, it will not affect recording

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Dagmar:

It's pretty much impossible for it to affect recording.

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mangus580_:

so I wanted a quick answer... thanks guys, i had already gone looking since it was obvious Dagmar couldnt answer it

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kc:

mangus580_: but you should read up on what VDPAU is. It's a way to playback recordings and has nothing to do with recording.

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Dagmar:

I should put up with people being abusive?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, No, but they shouldn't put up with you doing so either

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Dagmar:

Well, childish as it may sound _he started it_

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iamlindoro:

mangus580_, Just let it go, please, I've addressed it

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mangus580_:

thanks iamlindoro

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Dagmar:

I guess I'm just not accustomed to using such small words

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, honestly, that's enough. I like you, but you come on way, way too strong with the new users sometimes. We need to turn around the way this community is seen, and a big part of it is how new users are treated here

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iamlindoro:

I don't mean to single you out, it's something that I hope we will be applying to everyone, and if I'm harsh with someone, I expect to be called on it too

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Dagmar:

So, I sincerely hope you intend to apply this same standard to the newbies who think it's okay to act like a jerk to the people who would otherwise help them

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iamlindoro:

Yes, absolutely. If someone is abusive to people trying to help them I will absolutely take action

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mangus580_:

Dagmar, i wasnt trying to be a jerk

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iamlindoro:

w/I/we/

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iamlindoro:

er s/w/s/

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Dagmar:

mangus580_: Yes. You were. You got pissy because I told you to search.

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mangus580_:

I was trying to poke a little fun, I know how you feel about 'n00bs'

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Dagmar:

...and you were even classy enough to try taking parting shots.

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mangus580_:

wasnt meant to be pissy

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Dagmar:

Alright. Good enough

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Dagmar:

(not being sarcastic, it's fine)

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mangus580_:

until you took it wrong :-)

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm a little tweaked up on it right now because I've got my new fans ordered, and I've been going carefully through a bunch of docs on vdpau to try to sort out what is hte easiest way to tell people how "well" vdpau will work on a given card

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Dagmar:

The idea that a playback-only element could affect recording just sounds incredibly bizarre

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: check out qvdpautest

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kc:

Dagmar: how well will it work with my card? :p

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU actually allows one to DMA the raw frames back out, though nobody has actually used that part of the API yet

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Dagmar:

kc: I've no idea

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Dagmar:

Wikipedia's page breaks it down into "feature sets" that appear to be from nVidia's documentation

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iamlindoro:

so you could theoretically decode high bitrate stuff, pull out the frames (like with the CrystalHD decoder) and do whatever processing you wnat on them (think commflagging)

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wagnerrp:

and either way, it would make exactly no difference to recording, since no processing is done on pre-encoded video

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kc:

Ya, I know, I am just poking some fun :)

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mangus580_:

sorry Dag... bear with me, sometimes when I am in here, I will ask something that is on my mind as I go to start researching it

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mangus580_:

when I asked it... was because I just had a difference between live tv and a recordding

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: just imagine the bitching on the mailing lists from people with PCI cards

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Dagmar:

kc: Hell, give me a few more days to look at this and I'll probably be able to tell you in dollar amounts per feature

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, hehe, yeah

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mangus580_:

and I said to myself 'self, could vdpau' effect it

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mangus580_:

asked here, and started to research more on vdpau (since I havent yet, as MY setup at home is SD – I am setting up dad's new stuff now which is HD)

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Dagmar:

Did you perhaps do the thing I did and set liveTV to use very close to the same res as your display, and recordings to use a higher res?

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mangus580_:

dont think so, since its all default

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kc:

Dagmar: I don't want that. I know I overpaid for a GTS 250 since I won't be gaming on my myth box

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Dagmar:

I mean, even my PVR-500 can record at 720x480, but there's little point in having LiveTV set to that mode

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, so BBC America is moving closer to airing shows in parity with the UK, but airing Dr. Who one day later is just plain silly

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Dagmar:

kc: yeah well, people wiht 7800's and 8800's might disagree

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Dagmar:

Some of both don't do a bit of it

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Soeone's getting kickbacks from Piratebay

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Dagmar:

;)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I'm betting they probably reduce piracy with this kind of thing, but at this point there's no compelling reason they can't just air it

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking it's probabl got to do with the time difference

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iamlindoro:

presumably the episode has been in the can for a while... they could have probably swam it here in time

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Dagmar:

Like, the new episode _just_ aired a couple hours ago, right?

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iamlindoro:

I know it aired "tonight" for the UK, it airs tomorrow here

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Dagmar:

It's 4 in the afternoon here

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Dagmar:

It would have aired at what, 1pm?

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't have to air at the same time, simply the same day would do

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Dagmar:

I figure they're allocating themselves a longer-than-six-hours window for delivery to BBCA or something

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Dagmar:

Plus, they'll have to (or get to) deal with commercials here

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iamlindoro:

if it's anything like when I used to work in a headend, the stuff shows up on tape well in advance

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iamlindoro:

I suspect it's been sitting at BBC for quite some time

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Dagmar:

If they have more than six hours, they actually have a chance to show advertisers viewership numbers and get them to pay for ads on the spot

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Dagmar:

That's a pretty handy advantage

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Dagmar:

Just as long as they don't decide to shoot themselves in the face like FOX

[18:28:57]

** wagnerrp wonders how much longer until he figures out why hes getting infinite recursion in the python bindings **

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Dagmar:

The python is eating it's own tail

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wagnerrp:

it should never even happen

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wagnerrp:

i mean even if i do hit recursion by fault of my own, python is supposed to detect and break

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wagnerrp:

ive somehow managed to fool it

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Dagmar:

Putting the deint functionality page from the wiki and WP's info together answers a few questions

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Dagmar:

I should have my head examined for even reading this stuff instead of just spendng the sixty bucks

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wagnerrp:

well i found my error, but im still baffled as to why it did what it did

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justinp_home:

Evening, folks

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justinp_home:

having some trouble with 0.22 – mythfrontend segfaults at start

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justinp_home:

The bug report is here: http://pastebin.com/d3387fe6c

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martin__:

Anyone know how to turn off the caps lock on a linux machine when i'm connected via a vnc session?

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martin__:

it won't turn off!!!!

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mzb:

remote controlled brick?

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martin__:

i'm tempted to try "The IT Crowd" approach... but it's a server with 9 months uptime at the moment...

[20:02:05]

martin__:

i suppose restarting x might do it???

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Chicago:

martin__, is VNC listening on xinetd?

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mzb:

martin__, screen keyboard

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martin__:

what the hell... did i send that???

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justinp_home:

mythbackend seems to be ok – mythweb loads fine, shows mythbackend as running OK

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martin__:

Chicago, not sure... it was started manually using x11vnc

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PatrickD`:

hmm, is there something known about vdpau and pip not working right?

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mzb:

fwiw, my latest attempt at realtime commflagging isn't working for me (I think sphery recommended the settings to use)

[20:06:53]

PatrickD`:

I did hd, then did a sd pip, and then when I quit both, and just play sd, the sd is tiny in the corner, like it is running in pip mode, but isn't

[20:06:59]

mzb:

my music videos stutter if too many simultaneous recordings (eg: >2?)

[20:07:17]

sphery:

using medium job queue?

[20:07:20]

mzb:

and the jobs pile up in the brackground

[20:07:20]

sphery:

or low?

[20:07:22]

mzb:

yes

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mzb:

s/background

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martin__:

aha... i've killed the vnc server and restarted it... working now.... thanks Chicago

[20:08:01]

mzb:

I'm going back to 2 simultaneous during off-peak

[20:08:03]

sphery:

I've never tried more than one--but my CPU's can't handle it

[20:08:13]

sphery:

(can't handle more than one, that is)

[20:08:18]

mzb:

yep

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sphery:

one is stretch enough (as they're Athlon XP 2GHz or lower and it's all HDTV)

[20:08:37]

mzb:

it was a nice try, but the cost/benefit analysis makes it lose :)

[20:08:42]

sphery:

yeah

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mzb:

hehe

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sphery:

unless you have multicore systems, you're unlikely to benefit much from multiple simultaneous jobs) and may get a bunch of issues due to I/O

[20:09:21]

mzb:

now just to find the right time for a backend restart (need to replug a usb tuner anyway)

[20:09:39]

mzb:

it's a 4400+ X2 (s939)

[20:09:54]

martin__:

ok... need an additional tuner card to replace my HVR-1300 due to lack of support in myth... any ideas.. need something cheap, in the uk, and supported in Myth... half decent quality would be nice too....

[20:09:57]

mzb:

and 7x hdd (mostly in 2x raid5 arrays)

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mzb:

~3.75TB total, but spread reasonably well (I think)

[20:11:46]

mzb:

normal recordings go to 3x500GB array, movies go to 3x1TB array .... well, mostly ;)

[20:12:10]

mzb:

got to the point of having a power search for movies:

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mzb:

Movies (except ABC and SBS):

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mzb:

program.chanid = channel.chanid AND (channel.name NOT LIKE 'ABC%' AND channel.name NOT LIKE 'SBS%') AND ((program.category_type = 'movie') OR ((TIMESTAMPDIFF(MINUTE,program.starttime,program.endtime)>=90) AND ((program.category_type NOT LIKE 'sports') AND (program.category_type NOT LIKE 'series') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'sport') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'series') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'infotainment') AND (program.

[20:12:46]

mzb:

category NOT LIKE 'news') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'current affairs') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'entertainment') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'variety') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'lifestyle') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'talk show'))))

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Dagmar:

OMG

[20:12:58]

mzb:

still wip, but it's getting there

[20:13:08]

sphery:

"No. I have VDPAU capable systems, but am not using it because "High Quality" does better." <-- See the witch hunt begin on mythtv-users list (after all, who dare speak such heresy).

[20:14:06]

justinp_home:

Hmm...do I need to have storage groups set up for 0.22?

[20:14:28]

martin__:

mzb, what tuner cards you using.... and you using HD?

[20:14:40]

mzb:

2. when possible

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martin__:

justinp_home, read it on the wiki...

[20:14:57]

justinp_home:

Looking at it now

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** Dagmar wails, "BLASPHEMER!!!" **

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PatrickD`:

sphery, hehe

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mzb:

1. 3x DTV1000T, 1x Dvico dualdigital4 rev1? (currently resting), and 1x Kworld USB2

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mzb:

I can recommend the first two, but suggest to avoid usb tuners

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mzb:

I have had/got others ... all have varying issues (eventually)

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mzb:

usually good for occasional use (ie: windows users;), not for a well-used mythtv "household appliance"

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mzb:

time to replug this tuner

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mzb:

(we had a power cut the other day, and the tuner was the only thing in the house that doesn't reset properly;))

[20:19:41]

martin__:

thanks mzb... trying to find the DTV on sale now...

[20:20:43]

mzb:

it's old, you'll be lucky

[20:21:06]

mzb:

the dualdigital4 rev2 is probably a better buy

[20:21:13]

justinp_home:

Hmm – looks like the default storage group was already set up from my 0.21 install

[20:21:15]

martin__:

£20... in stock... not bad...

[20:21:33]

mzb:

and *does* work ... just need to build the module(s) from source (iirc)

[20:22:47]

justinp_home:

Would blowing out my ~/.mythtv directory work for resetting mythfrontend to defaults?

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PatrickD`:

justinp, not really

[20:23:35]

PatrickD`:

normally you need to blow away the db settings

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justinp_home:

How would I go about that?

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Dagmar:

blowing away the db generally works

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Dagmar:

;)

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justinp_home:

Yeah, but I'd rather not lose the info for over 150 recordings...

[20:28:14]

justinp_home:

Like I said before, the backend is fine – it's the frontend that's borked

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Dagmar:

There is magic in mythweb

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mzb:

btw sphery, what's the logic involved in clearing the watched flag after a transcode?

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justinp_home:

I'm looking for something useful there now

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justinp_home:

I did the extended check on the database, and nothing came up wrong

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sphery:

mzb: probably the thought is that if you took the time (and electricity) to transcode the recording, it shouldn't be left at high-priority for autoexpire

[20:31:29]

mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

doesn't work for me

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sphery:

mzb: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/412665#412665

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sphery:

mzb: you mean if you do an external transcode?

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Dagmar:

justinp_home: You can change most of the frontend's settings that are stored in the database via mythweb

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sphery:

or are you saying mythtranscode doesn't clear it

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Dagmar:

Like, directly with no sanity checking

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justinp_home:

Under MythTV | Settings Table ?

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Dagmar:

Yes

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sphery:

justinp_home: there's also always the partial restore if things get really trashed. Make sure you do a backup before doing too much tinkering, though. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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mzb:

sphery, mythtranscode _does_ clear it, and that behaviour doesn't float my boat ;)

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justinp_home:

OK...that looks like it would be useful if I knew what was busted in the frontend

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sphery:

justinp_home: a backup is useful before making /any/ changes to data in the database

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sphery:

i.e. before breaking it :) I highly recommend doing one now, before you start messing with things

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mzb:

eg: show for ${WOMAN} is recorded and set for auto-transcode (medium) with commflag (after). ${WOMAN} watches show before transcode occurs, watched flag is set and then cleared after the transcode

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mzb:

personally I'd prefer to see mythtranscode leave the flag alone

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mzb:

rats ... forgot to set the job times

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martin__:

hmmm.. what if ${MAN} watches said show... should there be multiple watched flags based on sex?

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martin__:

ahh... ${MAN} would never watch that show...

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mzb:

${MAN} has no need to transcode the shows _he_ sets to record ;)

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mzb:

and ${WOMAN} can't tell the difference between (my custom) medium & high settings

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mzb:

my storage space *can* tell the difference ;)

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PatrickD`:

heh, I just say screw it

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PatrickD`:

record everything at high quality

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PatrickD`:

set everything to transcode after a 14 day delay

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martin__:

charge ${WOMAN} for either a) training on using the medium/high settings, or b) the extra HDD's needed...

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mzb:

tried that ... I got 1x 500GB drive out of "our" money, I've paid for the 2x 500, 1x750 and 3x1TB

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mzb:

PatrickD`, that doesn't work ... I don't want _everything_ transcoded

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martin__:

yes... but "our" money normally refers to your money...

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PatrickD`:

well, don't have your high/med auto-transcode, just the default profile

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mzb:

?

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mzb:

I only auto-transcode her stuff

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mzb:

movies & sports are "raw"

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PatrickD`:

ya, and if she records something, it will auto-select default profile

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mzb:

and how is this going to address the watched flag issue?

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mzb:

she was setting her own shows for a while there, but seems to have lost interest now ... we've got more than enough recordings to go by ;)

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mzb:

(power searches help)

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mzb:

so it's just a matter of ensuring auto-expire is set for the rubbish (and at a lower priority)

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martin__:

doctor who time... laterz guys...

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mzb:

eg: Highway Patrol at high priority and no auto-expire! ... grrr

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sphery:

PatrickD`: even better, record at high quality and don't transcode (since storage is cheap)

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PatrickD`:

sphery, that is what I do

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sphery:

same here

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PatrickD`:

I do autotranscode and don't delete orig, so it can be quickly copied to cellphone/ipod/...

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sphery:

yeah, transcoding for other devices is a different matter

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sphery:

but those are typically not managed by myth

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sphery:

so you can do them how you like :)

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mzb:

$ du -sh /myth/video/videos/Music/

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mzb:

240G /myth/video/videos/Music/

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sphery:

that's a lot of music videos

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mzb:

sphery, getting there ;)

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Dagmar:

PatrickD`: GOod job of trying to use a gaming card for video playback

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PatrickD`:

heh?

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Dagmar:

It's sarcasm, but it's basically the problem

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Dagmar:

Look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU

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PatrickD`:

I did

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Dagmar:

Notice a pattern... Until the 2xx line, the gaming cards are not gifted with the full feature-set

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Dagmar:

Feature set B is all the middle-range stuff

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PatrickD`:

actually, I was following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

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PatrickD`:

cause I would assume it to be *more* accurate

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Dagmar:

The gaming cards like the 6/7/8/9800's (x800's) all have A, which is less

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okolsi:

sphery: k, i'll see if it happens again (i suspect not)

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Dagmar:

More accurate about whta

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sphery:

okolsi: you may need to backport that change to -fixes if you're using -fixes

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Dagmar:

The only thing that page says is that VDPAU actually works on the cards, and then there's a sample chart detailing deinterlacing

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Dagmar:

It doesn't say a thing about how well they playback or what formats they can accellerate

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PatrickD`:

so basically I need a C card

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Dagmar:

Yeah pretty much

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okolsi:

sphery: no, trunk currently in use. it's stable enough for me for our production

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PatrickD`:

I was looking at getting a GT220 for my lp system

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PatrickD`:

guess I need two of them

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Dagmar:

Now that I'm seeing it I do find it pretty amusing that the gaming cards and the theater cards are not the same set

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Dagmar:

"lp"?

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PatrickD`:

low profile system

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mzb:

sphery, been recording and cutting them since Nov 2007 ... almost up to 1600 I think (hard to get exact count;)

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Dagmar:

Oh... a 210 will probably do

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PatrickD`:

price difference between the 210/220 isn't much so :)

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mzb:

either way, equates to >10GB of mp3's if stripped and converted to 44kHz

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Dagmar:

Yes, it's definitely counter-intuitive that the damn thing is CHEAP

[21:02:19]

PatrickD`:

much more difference between 220 and 240

[21:02:39]

PatrickD`:

ya, the 220 is half the price of the 9800GT

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PatrickD`:

it seems the 210 and 220 are missing the spdif audio though :(

[21:03:38]

PatrickD`:

atleast on the lp versions

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Dagmar:

If I didn't have an 8800 in my gaming machine currently, I'd be buying a new 250 and taking the 8800 and putting it in my myth box

[21:04:09]

PatrickD`:

I don't do gaming

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry... when did it become important for a _video card_ to do audio output independent of HDMI?

[21:04:44]

PatrickD`:

no, to get the audio from the sound card

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Dagmar:

I'm not 100% but I think you just route that straight to the video card's HDMI output

[21:05:44]

PatrickD`:

and I never said output, I mean input :)

[21:06:27]

PatrickD`:

yes, normally there is a cable you connect from the sound card to the video card, and the video card connects it straight to the hdmi port

[21:06:32]

PatrickD`:

but those cards don't have it

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Dagmar:

I don't think they need it

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PatrickD`:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.as . . . Video%20Card

[21:08:54]

PatrickD`:

I can clearly see where the connection on that card is, but the connector was never installed

[21:09:33]

PatrickD`:

oh, they have a soundcard built on :)

[21:09:37]

PatrickD`:

that would explain it I guess

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Dagmar:

You realize nVidia's been working hard at doing more than just video for awhile now

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Dagmar:

hehe

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PatrickD`:

ya, but nothing in the docs I have read said anything about audio :)

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Dagmar:

Like, if you have doubts, look into the driver notes pertaining to the card

[21:10:39]

Dagmar:

That's because Windows users don't know any better, they just expect it to magically "just work"

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PatrickD`:

ya, 220 specs are much higher than the 210

[21:11:10]

PatrickD`:

no point in the 210 for the price diff :)

[21:11:32]

PatrickD`:

240 isn't much faster than the 220

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Dagmar:

faster for what

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PatrickD`:

250 is much faster

[21:12:38]

PatrickD`:

just comparing specs

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Dagmar:

Again, you may be erring if you're not looking to play video games on the card

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Dagmar:

The stuff that renders triangles fast is *not* quite the same stuff that renders yer viddies

[21:13:14]

PatrickD`:

I'm not looking at gaming stats

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PatrickD`:

ya, I assume video is probably going be the same across them

[21:14:46]

PatrickD`:

220 is the best I can get in low profile anyways

[21:16:09]

Dagmar:

220 is probably the best you can get for playback of video

[21:16:59]

Dagmar:

At least from a price vs. performance standpoint

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justinp_home:

OK, got my kung pao chicken and my egg rolls, ready to get back to troubleshooting

[21:18:52]

PatrickD`:

I can't imaging 512mb vs 1gig is going make a difference at all?

[21:18:56]

PatrickD`:

$4 difference

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Dagmar:

That would matter if you played video games.

[21:19:14]

Dagmar:

It will not matter for video playback.

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justinp_home:

So, my other frontend works fine – only problem seems to be the frontend on my master backend

[21:20:10]

Dagmar:

What's the problem

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justinp_home:

was saying before – it segfaults on load

[21:20:57]

Dagmar:

So lie to it. tell it that it's the _other_ frontend

[21:20:57]

justinp_home:

http://pastebin.com/d3387fe6c <-- error log

[21:21:38]

Dagmar:

If it works and doesn't omgcrash using hte settings of hte other frontend, then you know you have a broken libs problem or something

[21:21:57]

justinp_home:

umm...how would I do that?

[21:22:01]

Dagmar:

...and you can override the frontend's name with a command-line argument to mythfrontend

[21:23:02]

Dagmar:

mythfrontend -O Hostname=blah I *think*

[21:24:40]

Dagmar:

Ah wait, specify the hostname in mysql.txt

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mark__:

hey guys, when I use the opengl video renderer i get a purple hue on the video. This is using intel video if that makes a difference.

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PatrickD`:

mark__, known issue if you have nvidia drivers on the system

[21:26:18]

PatrickD`:

ls -la /usr/lib/libGL*

[21:29:24]

PatrickD`:

I've used intel video for years, but just getting tired of dealing with it's little annoyances

[21:29:35]

PatrickD`:

atleast many people work on solving nvidia's annoyances :)

[21:32:10]

justinp_home:

Well, lying didn't work – I really don't think it's a database thing

[21:32:54]

mark__:

all i have there is libglib-2.0.so.0.2200.3 and symlinks to this

[21:33:17]

justinp_home:

This would be so much easier if there was a useful error message

[21:33:24]

PatrickD`:

hhmm

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mark__:

sorry and libglib-2.0.a

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Dagmar:

libglib has nothing to do with it

[21:34:14]

Dagmar:

What you'd be looking for would be libGL*

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PatrickD`:

ya, looks like it's not the nvidia issue

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mark__:

i have never had any nvidia drivers on the machine

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mzb:

sphery, make that 242GB ;) (includes album art where I've gone to the effort)

[21:38:29]

mzb:

I've also got a dynamically generated splash page that says "Playing <nnnn> music videos"

[21:38:35]

mzb:

(same background as the theme)

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Dagmar:

you might want to look for newer drivers from Intel then

[21:38:49]

Dagmar:

It's not like anyone here can patch a bug with them

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mzb:

so even when each song finishes there's still something to look at

[21:39:08]

mzb:

"display" gets killed at the end

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mzb:

oh btw, the other occasion when the watched flag is cleared is when I've trimmed it and done a lossless transcode ... have to pad 10mins pre + 20mins post due to lax programming methods here

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justinp_home:

OK, just for s&g's I'm going to reboot and see if that does anything – back in a few

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FredYerkes:

Hello – I somehow broke my jamu.py and even after reinstalling the myth python byinding, I still get this:

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FredYerkes:

#CRITICAL – DB speaks schema version 1248, but we speak version 1247

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Dagmar:

So look for a newer version

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Dagmar:

...or just remove and reinstall the mythtv packages you installed

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iamlindoro:

Those are trunk revisions-- I hate to say it, but this kind of thing is to be expected using trunk

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iamlindoro:

namely that someone incrementer the schema without bumping the bindings

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iamlindoro:

er incremented

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iamlindoro:

so it'll get fixed, but there's trunk for you

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cpg:

hola

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cpg:

i was wondering if using mythtv is now again easier with the hdhomerun

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cpg:

it used to be a breeze, then i think it the fedora 10 timeframe that i tried, it was a major pain to use, at least with comcast digital

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cpg:

i remember i had to run some scripts and it map some stuff, and i had had a fair bit of trouble

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cpg:

unfortunately i don't recall what release of mythtv it was

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justinp_home:

Well, this is getting exceptionally frustrating

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AndyCap:

rpmfusion had 0.21-fixes for fedora 10 iirc.

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cpg:

AndyCap: rpmfusion has 0.22–2 now

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cpg:

do you know if that will work better with the hdhomerun?

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FredYerkes:

iamlindoro: no worries, I haven't seen any new downloads with jamu in a while, so I'll sleep in the bed I made, thanks for the explanation

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justinp_home:

We'll see if a backtrace helps at all, considering how completely worthless the errors are

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iamlindoro:

FredYerkes, Fixed now in trunk

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Dagmar:

The world actually does still have unspoiled wilderness

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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darkdrgn2k3:

Hey guys, whats a good lite distro for a Front End?

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[R]:

mythbuntu works

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darkdrgn2k3:

what about Centos? or should i go Fedora?

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br14:

I'm having a problem with mythbuntu & ivtv & pvr150, ivtv finds the card, then tries to load the firmware but crashes with an error "mailbox not found", anyone seen this?

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[R]:

darkdrgn2k3: what about them? you asked a question... it was answered

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[R]:

darkdrgn2k3: if you want to try something else, try something else

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br14:

I'd paste dmesg but I've just destroyed the box trying to fix it :)

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justinp_home:

OK, so how do I go about getting a backtrace for mythfrontend?

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[R]:

justinp_home: do you have the core file?

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justinp_home:

Don't even know what that is – I've done precisely nothing with backtraces before

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darkdrgn2k3:

[r]: I know but i realized that i comple trunk and aa stock distro wont work :(

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justinp_home:

I've installed the RPMFusion debuginfo stuff

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[R]:

darkdrgn2k3: huh?

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[R]:

justinp_home: run it with gdb

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[R]:

when it crashes

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[R]:

you can type bt

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justinp_home:

hey, there we go!

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darkdrgn2k3:

[r]: my server is complied.. so i cant use a mythbuntu since i need to compile my own myth from source

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justinp_home:

I actually made a wee script for mythfrontend with the instructions for mythbackend from the wiki

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[R]:

darkdrgn2k3: you dont have to use the precompile packages if you dont want to...

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justinp_home:

http://pastebin.com/d746af00c <--there's my backtrace

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justinp_home:

at least, I think it's a backtrace

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mangus580:

rhpot1991: you awake?

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russk:

I am finally upgrading from 0.21 to 0.22 ... the few pages I have read a while ago said there is a database upgrade to do ... but just now all I see is running mythtv-setup ... is there anything else I should watch out for ?

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cpg:

hi, anyone have advice on running mythtv (0.22 with fedora) with an hdhomerun? i am seeing a lot of timeouts and a lot of encrypted channels ... my provider is comcast (digital)

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[R]:

well theres nothing you can do about the encrypted channels

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cpg:

i imagine [R]. any advice on the rest?

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[R]:

theres stuff on the wiki and mls about settings and such

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cpg:

hi, eventually i found a few channels (thank goodness). however, it also found a bunch of quam_256:5970000::9:0–0... channels found to be in conflict. any advice as to what they are and what to do with them? it's confusing

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foxbuntu:

hey all, just wondering if anyone has seen issues with the rss feed in mythweb?

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foxbuntu:

...I am getting a file not found error when trying to get to /mythweb/rss/mythweb/tv/recorded

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foxbuntu:

and the file is actually missing

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foxbuntu:

running on build 23056

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justinp_home:

Oh, crap...hafta undo all that storage group stuff

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justinp_home:

Unless storage groups are working now with external players

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