Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 3rd, 2010, 00:07 AST

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iamlindoro:

This is easily the most disgusting episode of Dirty Jobs ever

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iamlindoro:

the "bite out the testicles of lambs" episode

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mangus580:

iamlindoro: which episode?

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mangus580:

oh

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wagnerrp:

'bite out'? why?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I agree....

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iamlindoro:

apparently the most expeditious way

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iamlindoro:

slice open the scrotum, hten grab 'em with the teeth and yank

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iamlindoro:

ew

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mangus580:

thats aweful!

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mangus580:

LOL

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iamlindoro:

not that it's nearly as bad, but then chop off the tail and hack off a chunk of ear too

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mangus580:

I'm watching the new star trek :-)

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iamlindoro:

ah, now the testicle cooking and eating segment

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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iamlindoro:

I mean, I guess they already had them in their mouths anyway

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wagnerrp:

yeah... no.... it still makes no sense

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wagnerrp:

i mean its like chitlins... we dont *have* to eat that part of the animal, so why would you willingly do so

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AndyCap:

to get bigger testicles?

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wagnerrp:

reading the feature wishlist always amuses me

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wagnerrp:

'VLC integration'.... aka 'turn mythtv into a fancy frontend for VLC'

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[R]:

whats the point of that?

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wagnerrp:

to give mythtv all the functionality it so desperately already has

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

see whats the point of putting stupid nonsense like this

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[R]:

# MythTV Frontend and backend runnning on a Casio fx7000G (1985) pocket calculator

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wagnerrp:

no, that has a point

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wagnerrp:

it was supposed to stop people from putting all their absurd platform requests in

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

... only it failed

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AndyCap:

Hah, you just set the lower bar for porting requests.

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sphery:

Is "mythexport" some thing added by some distro? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/415453#415453 (a thread buried in another thread)

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu

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sphery:

ah, that explains why I've never heard of using MythWeb to do that type of stuff

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wagnerrp:

what is the advanced scheduling called?

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wagnerrp:

the one with user-written sql?

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iamlindoro:

power search?

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iamlindoro:

or "Custom Record" in the FE

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wagnerrp:

and this one... 'have mythfilldatabase grab the additional "cast" data and insert it into the database'

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wagnerrp:

how does myth not already do that?

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sphery:

who's asking for that?

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sphery:

something on -users?

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wagnerrp:

backend wishlist

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sphery:

I'm guessing it's someone who's not from the US, and, therefore gets poor-quality listings that don't have cast info

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sphery:

so they want to abuse some tv website for it

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iamlindoro:

or maybe who wants cast info that is more than just names?

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sphery:

could be

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wagnerrp:

in both cases, what is mfd going to do if the data just isnt there

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wagnerrp:

divine it out of thin electrons?

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iamlindoro:

that being the case has never stopped people complaining about it not being there

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sphery:

so when you do a dd of /dev/zero to make a file to hold an image of a filesystem and you mis-type the count (leaving off a zero), you end up with a filesystem that's 1/10 the size you wanted :)

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wagnerrp:

better than adding a zero

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iamlindoro:

curse you basic math!

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sphery:

I did the math right--it's that typing that killed me

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iamlindoro:

curse you Mavis Beacon!

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sphery:

I even opened up the bash_history to prove I actually typed 50 instead of 500

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wagnerrp:

and the whole 'commercial flag sharing' fiasco.... oh but we can share hashes, which can somehow be identical for a not-bit-identical frame!

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wagnerrp:

people dont seem to understand the definition of hash

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iamlindoro:

that's for sure

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iamlindoro:

Exciting month in Entertainment-- Daily Show and Colbert in HD on monday, Chuck in a week, MAss Effect 2 this month...

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iamlindoro:

heck, Human Target might even be bearable

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sphery:

wagnerrp: either that or they spend too much time smoking it

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MerryTughan:

Is widescreen autodetection supposed to work with the VDPAU output module? It doesn't seem to be here.

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wagnerrp:

'allow mythcommflag to work outside of mythtv'

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iamlindoro:

MerryTughan, No, only with software decode

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wagnerrp:

MerryTughan: no, it does not

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MerryTughan:

iamlindoro: Okay, thanks. It was unfortunate, but VDPAU gives better output.

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wagnerrp:

MerryTughan: arguable

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wagnerrp:

i saw a vast improvement in analog output between my 6200 and 8400, but see no difference between VDPAU decoded and software decoded

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MerryTughan:

wagnerrp: Seems to here, with upscaling and deinterlacing.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: feel free to put a reference to comskip on the "commflagger without myth" one

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt VDPAU use the same upscaler it provides to Xv?

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sphery:

as it's a fork of mythcommflag that works without myth

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sphery:

http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/

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wagnerrp:

sphery: actually, a while back i commented that it was gpl'd code, they were free to use it for their own projects

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sphery:

and someone has

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wagnerrp:

no reference to mythtv on that page?

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sphery:

they've actually added things to comskip that aren't in mythcommflag

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sphery:

it's diverged quite a bit

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wagnerrp:

should i just wipe the whole, 'schedule recordings on free tuners of other master backends' thing?

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sphery:

distributed recording--use your friends' tuners type stuff?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

if so, yeah

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sphery:

I can't see any reason why myth would need that

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wagnerrp:

for use on university networks and apartment buildings

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sphery:

closest I could imagine is some family with a separate myth system for the kids and the parents

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sphery:

and the parents want to borrow a kid's tuner, but they should either a) get enough tuners for themselves or b) do it manually

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wagnerrp:

well the concept is recording on a machine thats not your own

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wagnerrp:

nevermind the security issues that would arise from such a solution

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wagnerrp:

such as one bored hacker on the network trolling port 6543 and deleting everyone's recordings

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sphery:

yeah, just a bad idea

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sphery:

really, buying another $20-$50 tuner is the answer

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wagnerrp:

honestly, id love to see some form of authentication being done over mythproto

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iamlindoro:

sphery, excepting those people for whom spending one red cent is sacrilege ?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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wagnerrp:

although im sure implementing any real form of security sense into mythtv would require a massive overhaul

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ipsec!

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wagnerrp:

im not talking encryption, just authentication

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ah, yeah, copyrighted material wants to be free and all

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ipsec can do that

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iamlindoro:

and fonts and software and listings

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

basically, anything that's worth paying money for wants to be free

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wagnerrp:

of course im still running my sql server with mythtv:mythtv

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iamlindoro:

and television and movies and music

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I decided to implement a basic level of security for Myth's DB. I used the default password for the username and used the default username for the password

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sphery:

just enough to throw a clever hacker off my trail

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wagnerrp:

man, that sounds like something one would do for their luggage

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

and theres f-all you can do for security on a diskless machine

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iamlindoro:

Reminds me of one of my favorite things, when people write bugs on Myth "security flaws"

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wagnerrp:

not without burning your own PXE rom anyway

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wagnerrp:

'warning: mythtv is insecure'.... n-s sherlock

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wagnerrp:

[R]: so i can set up an authenticated but unencrypted tunnel with ipsec?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yup... we were setting it up at my work

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[R]:

stupid NSA

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wagnerrp:

is that something i can 'fire-and-forget', leave the kernel to manage everything?

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wagnerrp:

or would i need a userland program to maintain the tunnel

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[R]:

i dont know how to set it up really

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[R]:

(in linux that is)

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[R]:

windows it was pretty braindead simple

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[R]:

i would assume you need userland to set it up

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wagnerrp:

i was just looking to set up some sort of security on my boot shares the other day

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wagnerrp:

using some form of key derived from hardware IDs on the system

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[R]:

well you can do preshared key or the traditional signing key

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wagnerrp:

boot share.... diskless... so theres nothing on the hardware to store the key

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wagnerrp:

aside from custom ROM burning

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[R]:

so you can do PSK if you derive it from somethign hardwarwe

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[R]:

obviously the initial bootstrap would have to be unsecured though

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wagnerrp:

but that wouldnt matter

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[R]:

so you could write an initramfs that sets up ipsec and sets the key to somethign it grabs from hw

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wagnerrp:

thats the idea

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[R]:

lazy zotac

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AndyCap:

burning a custom rom isn't that hard though. not sure if gpxe has any meaningful ssl yet though

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[R]:

there is a UUID field dmidecode is showing

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[R]:

but its like 23456

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you should set up your systems so that if someone tries to boot it without the special key floppy in the floppy drive, it secure deletes everything... And you should keep the floppy in an envelope taped to the top of the inside of the freezer.

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[R]:

floppies are prone to failure

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wagnerrp:

secure deletes are vulnerable to people who can pull the power

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wagnerrp:

thermite FTW

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sphery:

never stopped anyone in '80's and '90's spy movies (and Stargate SG-1 :)

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i loved when they stored massive amounts of data

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[R]:

on a floppy

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AndyCap:

fractal compression ftw

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AndyCap:

:P

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wagnerrp:

fractals suck

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wagnerrp:

everyone knows you just place your own personal SAN in a portable inter-dimensional fold

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AndyCap:

oooh-iii-oooo.

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[R]:

am i going to bring nothing but pain and destruction upon myself if i t ry to use trunk?

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wagnerrp:

and sharks

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[R]:

mmm

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[R]:

seriously though

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[R]:

maybe i'll backup and see what happens

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whiteley_:

Is it possible to exit liveTV, and have it continue to record? (ideally for some configurable amount of time?)

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wagnerrp:

hit 'r'

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wagnerrp:

it turns it into a real boy... erm, recording

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whiteley_:

that's the only way?

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wagnerrp:

just make sure to hit record before you exit

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, it will terminate recording when you terminate livetv

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[R]:

the onl ywy? what else do you want it to do? magic?

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wagnerrp:

telepathy

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whiteley_:

well, for example, TiVo always records liveTV, regardless of where you are in the menu system.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only records if you have scheduled something or if you are in livetv mode

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wagnerrp:

that includes the livetv epg as well

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whiteley_:

ok.

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whiteley_:

that leads to another question. If I leave it on liveTV for a long time, I've noticed that it will gather up a bunch of shows on disk.

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wagnerrp:

correct

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whiteley_:

is there any way to browse/play those with a FE?

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wagnerrp:

adjust your recording filter

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wagnerrp:

in the 'm' menu i believe

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whiteley_:

ah.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so i just went through the commit log... i don't see anyhtign spectacular in trunk yet

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wagnerrp:

no, theres not

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wagnerrp:

theres some no UI stuff

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whiteley_:

now if I could just get closed captions to work, I could replace my TiVo...

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wagnerrp:

theres the hashing in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

theres the event system

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wagnerrp:

theres a whole slew of fixes here and there

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[R]:

the osd ui stuff is on a branch... if thats what you are talking about

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[R]:

and lots of little fixes... and the event system doesnt intereest me

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wagnerrp:

but no game breakers like the qt4 migration

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[R]:

well time to get back to my TODO

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whiteley_:

oh, also, if I hit 'r' while watching liveTV, then exit liveTV, is there a way to have it bookmark where I exited?

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wagnerrp:

dont know if it does that

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt be a bad idea to add

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[R]:

it doesn't

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[R]:

whiteley_: you migth be able to hit enter after you hit r to manually mark the bookmark

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[R]:

actually

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[R]:

there is a way to make it prompt you when you are leaving livetv

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[R]:

although i dunno if that'll work

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[R]:

and that just seems like it'd be extemely annoying

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whiteley_:

cool. 'r', Enter works.

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sphery:

Woah... What's this... In Thunderbird 3 on a completely new filesystem/system install, I typed in my name and e-mail address in the welcome box and it said, "Shredder is looking up the details of your account," and it found it.

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[R]:

found what?

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sphery:

(Shredder is the "I didn't accept the Thunderbird trademark license" name for the e-mail client)

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wagnerrp:

what else would you expect from a mutant ninja rat?

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sphery:

I'm just wondering how it found it

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sphery:

could query the DNS server, I suppose

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wagnerrp:

DNS only provides the SMTP servers, not pop/imap

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wagnerrp:

and it shouldnt give any account information either

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sphery:

it gets the fact that it's IMAP/TLS and SMTP/TLS and ports were "standard" ports

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sphery:

I'm guessing it pings the ports, too

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Fleck:

how can i set up mythtv to remember audio channels i am selecting? next time i select channel it's again default

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[R]:

you mean like language?

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Fleck:

yeah

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[R]:

someone told me that the option for language in the guide

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[R]:

is actually used as the default for the audio channel

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Fleck:

guide is in one lang – audio is another lang. :)

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[R]:

well thats the only option

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[R]:

is the "wrong" audio option the same as the guide language?

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Fleck:

nope

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[R]:

i dont know if it tries both language options

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[R]:

but you could tyr putting the 2nd language option to be the one for the aduio

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hipitihop:

I used to get an error if I scheduled transcoding and changed to use mpeg4 and now seems to be running. Question remains, does this convert the original recording or does it create a sperate file made available via uPnP

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hipitihop:

s/sperate/seperate

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wagnerrp:

converts and overwrites the original by default

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, so that suggests that a) will efect quality of normal playback and b) will be available in this format over uPnP

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** hipitihop thinks b) is a bonus to help iPhone based playback but a) may be detrimental but I will see once transcoding is complete **

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Guest81271:

Hi! If i install mythtv on my pc and connect it to the tv, then can i stream video from my win pc over the router? :) Have checked the documentation but havent really found the answer..

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mzb:

Guest81271, you haven't really asked a question that makes sense. How about you explain what you want to do in more detail?

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Guest81271:

hehe. I understand it might not make sense, as i fully dont understand mythTv. This i want to do; have a htpc connected to my tv. I want to watch videos i have on a another computer, that has windows. Is this possible?

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jarle:

Guest81271: Do you want to record TV? If not, MythTV is not for you. If you only want to play videos you should look at XBMC instead.

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Gumby:

Im running 0.21.0+fixes-21583 and when I am watching a video or TV and I jump forward/back there is a loud pop. I believe it only happens when I run my audio through HDMI

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antgel:

i'm getting this about 10x / second during playback:

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antgel:

2010-01–03 14:01:28.618 Set video sync frame interval to 40000

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antgel:

2010-01–03 14:01:28.619 Enabled deinterlacing

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antgel:

i don't know if it's a problem per se – the real problem that caused me to look in the logs, is that my ITV HD is stuttering – it's pretty obvious during this football match

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antgel:

could it be that my GPU is running out of steam? (VDPAU Slim)

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antgel:

am using 0.22-fixes

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antgel:

i'll try using a non-VDPAU profile and see if it jerks

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antgel:

also, there's an error on startup about not being able to access /dev/drm/card0 – is this important?

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antgel:

okay, tried viewing the same broadcast with the Normal profile, it's not jerking as such now, but it is blurring and CPU util is at 99%

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antgel:

hmm, quiet in here today

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antgel:

that's so weird – now i've gone back to to VDPAU Slim and there's no jerking, although the logs are still full of the same messages

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_ben:

so, you know that asrock ion box – would you get the one with blu ray for when you can eventually play blu ray in linux without the decrypting/dumping process?

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antgel:

_ben: everything i know about it (not much) has suggested that this is unlikely to be possible, if not ever, then certainly not any time soon

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_ben:

ok, i'll just go for the dvd model then =)

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wagnerrp:

_ben: yeah... that 'eventually' is a long way off

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey all

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darkdrgn2k3:

hwos does TMDB work?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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darkdrgn2k3:

i found a video on the site thats the cover is not being downloaded in myth

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darkdrgn2k3:

i tried typing in the TMDB but it still doesnt find it

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wagnerrp:

its possible the image was added recently, and the update hasnt been pushed to the api cache servers

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wagnerrp:

what movie specificall?

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darkdrgn2k3:

cattle call

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darkdrgn2k3:

i know that cover been there for a while now

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darkdrgn2k3:

(before release of .22

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wagnerrp:

it should be pulling fanart and a coverfile

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darkdrgn2k3:

says none found

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wagnerrp:

'works for me'

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wagnerrp:

hold on... let me try the older script

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darkdrgn2k3:

i tried using edit andchangin TMDB to 18404

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darkdrgn2k3:

(reset metadata first)

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darkdrgn2k3:

then pressed w "No maches where found"

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iamlindoro:

If you are using tmdb.pl, 18404 is not a valid number

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wagnerrp:

ah... right... that one

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wagnerrp:

that movie has no IMDB number listed

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iamlindoro:

tmdb.pl *only* takes IMDB numbers, not TMDB ones

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wagnerrp:

meaning it will not work with the scripts existing in trunk

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darkdrgn2k3:

o ok

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wagnerrp:

erm... 0.22

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wagnerrp:

it works fine in trunk

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iamlindoro:

so if you want it to work with tmdb.pl, you need to go to tmdb, add the IMDB number, and wait for the API servers to refresh

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darkdrgn2k3:

is trunk staabilish still?

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wagnerrp:

so either upgrade to trunk, update the movie on TMDB and wait for the cache update, or apply #6467

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wagnerrp:

the last of which may not still function with the latest version of tmdb.pl

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmmm 6467...

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wagnerrp:

i make no guarantees

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darkdrgn2k3:

understood

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darkdrgn2k3:

is trunk stableish?

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wagnerrp:

for the most part, there havent been any big breakers during this dev cycle

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darkdrgn2k3:

cool

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darkdrgn2k3:

well its not like i cn even do DVB and i know allot of work is mostly focused on that now a dys

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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darkdrgn2k3:

well it was anyway to get to .22

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darkdrgn2k3:

i been out of the loop to much :'(

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wagnerrp:

DVB-S2 was a lot of work to get into 0.22, and i think its still supposed to be fairly buggy

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wagnerrp:

but besides that, there havent really been much in the way of changes to digital tuners in a while

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok one more quick quetion

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darkdrgn2k3:

whats better.. DVD ISOs or MVKs

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darkdrgn2k3:

uhh MKV

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wagnerrp:

at the moment? MKVs

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darkdrgn2k3:

so convert DVD to MKV at what.. 64%?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23? well that depends on if you care to keep all the extra DVD menus and around

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wagnerrp:

64% what?

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darkdrgn2k3:

quality

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darkdrgn2k3:

soryr

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wagnerrp:

i still have no idea what that means

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darkdrgn2k3:

RF 18

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wagnerrp:

still lost

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darkdrgn2k3:

Compression for MKVs

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wagnerrp:

MKVs are not compressed

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok soryr im using Hand Break to convert

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darkdrgn2k3:

using Constat Quality

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darkdrgn2k3:

what the quality % for if not compression?

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wagnerrp:

mkv is just a container

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wagnerrp:

holding one or more audio and video streams

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darkdrgn2k3:

doh

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wagnerrp:

you compress the video

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darkdrgn2k3:

your right im soryr

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darkdrgn2k3:

H.264 (x264)

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wagnerrp:

and as far as what '64%' means, i have no clue

[13:00:56]

darkdrgn2k3:

my bad :-P

[13:01:07]

wagnerrp:

since thats certainly not a x264 setting

[13:01:16]

wagnerrp:

but some value handbrake translates internally

[13:02:13]

darkdrgn2k3:

what does CRF stand for again?

[13:02:21]

wagnerrp:

if youre not shooting for a specific file size, just run single pass with a constant quantizer of around 20

[13:03:00]

darkdrgn2k3:

the smaller the better?

[13:03:09]

wagnerrp:

that will net you a movie somewhere between 800MB-1.6GB, depending on the length, and the compressibility of film

[13:03:31]

wagnerrp:

18 is said to be effectively lossless for x264

[13:03:55]

darkdrgn2k3:

so 20 is better or wors then 18?

[13:03:56]

wagnerrp:

20 is considerably smaller, but still basically perceivably lossless

[13:04:15]

wagnerrp:

now how that would translate into the settings you can give handbrake, i have no idea

[13:04:26]

darkdrgn2k3:

perfect

[13:04:30]

darkdrgn2k3:

yeh they call it RF

[13:04:36]

darkdrgn2k3:

cause i been running them trough at 18

[13:05:00]

wagnerrp:

a value of 18, youre looking at 2+GB for a movie

[13:05:21]

wagnerrp:

assuming thats the same value as x264 uses

[13:05:35]

darkdrgn2k3:

i ran one at 20.. and ther was some very notivible dithering......

[13:05:40]

darkdrgn2k3:

but im not sure if that was int he original too

[13:05:55]

wagnerrp:

there should be no dithering

[13:06:11]

wagnerrp:

because both mpeg2 and h264 run YUV.... 12-bit color

[13:06:42]

darkdrgn2k3:

hmm wierd..

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok one more quetsion

[13:19:39]

darkdrgn2k3:

when i add Bitmap subtitles from a DVD into a MKV stream,

[13:19:46]

darkdrgn2k3:

and play them on Myth they look all wierd

[13:19:59]

darkdrgn2k3:

they look like they are outlined...

[13:20:13]

wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

[13:20:34]

darkdrgn2k3:

ill take a screen shot 1 sec

[13:24:00]

darkdrgn2k3:

dam where can i upload a photo

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nemith:

hmm asrock ion330-ht's don't seem to be in stock

[13:24:59]

darkdrgn2k3:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=123a5gg&s=6

[13:25:15]

darkdrgn2k3:

better yet http://i50.tinypic.com/123a5gg.jpg

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wilberfan:

brand new install on debian testing...just got the dreaded "No UPnP backends found" error...

[13:28:38]

wagnerrp:

the upnp server is only active if you use a routeable IP for your backend.... 127.0.0.1 wont work

[13:31:55]

wilberfan:

i've had working myth on this same hardware...never got that message before...

[13:32:48]

wilberfan:

what do i need to change in this case?

[13:32:59]

antgel:

er, the IP address

[13:33:28]

damnski:

uh, I need to get a new powerful AGP video card (HD capable) for under $50.00. Does anybody have a recommendation?

[13:33:48]

iamlindoro:

If you're hoping to do VDPAU with that AGP card, you are out of luck

[13:33:57]

wagnerrp:

wilberfan: mythtv-setup, first section, first page

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darkdrgn2k3:

any one know why the bitmat subtitles are soo outliney (http://i50.tinypic.com/123a5gg.jpg)

[13:34:38]

wagnerrp:

damnski: aside from VDPAU, the only thing youre going to get out of a video card is Xv support, and enough opengl performance to run the UI

[13:34:39]

wilberfan:

wagnerrp, thanks...i'll have a look...

[13:34:48]

wagnerrp:

there is no need for 'power'

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, Because bitmapped subtitles are rendered at SD and then stretched

[13:35:27]

iamlindoro:

this may get improved for .23, but might not

[13:35:31]

wagnerrp:

and besides that, video cards have been 'HD capable' for over a decade now

[13:36:04]

damnski:

wagnerrp: thanks.

[13:36:32]

damnski:

What is the deal with VDPAU? You can only get those instructions on a PCI-E?

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: wierd part is they dont look 100% transperent...

[13:36:49]

wagnerrp:

no, you only get that capability on a chip that supports it

[13:37:04]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, 100% transparent? That would be "invisible"

[13:37:05]

wagnerrp:

and manufactureres have only put that chip on PCI and PCI-e cards

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: i mean if you look (for example) around the edge of the text there is a yellow outlone

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: lso in the center of letters like the E and O

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, so?

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: dont think thats how they are shown on the DVD itself.

[13:38:01]

iamlindoro:

again, scaling artifacts

[13:38:17]

iamlindoro:

when stretching them, the interpolation of new pixels introduces error

[13:38:30]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: hh i see... maybe ill look into it at some point myself.... just wanted to make sure that its not the video format itself :)

[13:38:47]

jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. running 9.04 with hauppauge t-500 card. my signal strength has been getting progressively worse after i put the harddrive into a machine with more memory and a better gfx card. any suggestions as how to turn on the lna? etc/modprobe.d/options.conf does not exist as it should do (from what i've read)

[13:38:51]

iamlindoro:

if you do not understand myth video output very well, the liklihood of you being able to fix it is very low

[13:39:05]

iamlindoro:

the issue is not still present because we like bugs

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: yeh mayube i should start on some of the ezer things first ;)

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damnski:

re: AGP cards, thanks.

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wilberfan:

meh. my password was wrong...

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wilberfan:

anyone have a working mythtv--using the liquorix kernel?? i have no idea how to get my lirc working with that kernel...

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DHR:

how does one shut down the backend on an upstart-based system (ubuntu 9.10)? The old way (/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop) no longer works.

[15:17:21]

iamlindoro:

probably best to ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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DHR:

iamlindoro: good point. Done.

[15:26:53]

DHR:

the answer is: sudo stop mythtv-backend

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sid3windr:

why would it no longer work?

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sid3windr:

it's backwards compatible is it not?

[15:30:37]

sid3windr:

(but it is /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop)

[15:33:23]

oobe:

when navigating in folders in mythgallery i always ( by habit ) use the esc to move up one dir but it sends me back to the myth menu what is the binging to move up one directory?

[15:36:00]

whiteley_:

is there any way to rig up separate buttons for Play and Pause?

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oobe:

whiteley_, no

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whiteley_:

oobe: bummer

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AndyCap:

whiteley_: the tcp control port lets you do that though

[15:51:34]

wilberfan:

anyone have the time (or inclination) to help this semi-noob troubleshoot my non-functioning remote on my new myth install? The lirc daemon is running...but mode2 gives me an "error opening /dev/lirc"...

[15:51:36]

AndyCap:

telnet to 6546 if you have the network control port enabled "play speed pause" and "play speed normal"

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wilberfan:

irw won't respond with anything... i've copied a bunch of lircc files n' such from my working ubuntu myth setup...

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antgel:

wilberfan: should it not be /dev/lirc0? what does ls /dev/lirc report?

[16:02:02]

martin__:

i'm presuming MythVideo caches it's fanart etc. on the frontend.... is there a way of clearing that cach?

[16:02:35]

martin__:

i.e. make the frontend re-grab all the/specific fanart from the server?

[16:02:53]

[R]:

martin__: its cached in whatever path you set it up to use

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[R]:

martin__: so just delete them from that directory

[16:03:23]

martin__:

hmmm... where is that set in the frontend?

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[R]:

in the mythvideo settings

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martin__:

aha.... found it ... thanks...

[16:04:40]

wilberfan:

antgel, hang on, let me check...

[16:05:20]

wilberfan:

antgel, "cannot access /dev/lirc: No such file or directory

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iamlindoro:

martin__, The cache is in ~/.mythtv/themecache/

[16:06:01]

iamlindoro:

not in the mythvideo settings

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antgel:

wilberfan: there you go. ls /dev/lirc0?

[16:06:46]

wilberfan:

antgel, ditto

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wilberfan:

"No such..."

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martin__:

iamlindoro, just that second found it! thanks... [R] you sent me in the right direction at least... thanks...

[16:08:30]

antgel:

wilberfan: well, that's why it can't access it. you need to make sure the relevant kernel module is inserted for your hardware

[16:09:22]

wilberfan:

antgel, is that something you can help me with? i'm using the 'liquorix' kernel..and the guy that built it says the lirc module is included in it...

[16:09:52]

wilberfan:

he's never used lirc...so he can't help me with that...

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wilberfan:

you up for a challenge...? ;)

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jeffjeffdejeff:

anyone able to help please? running 9.04 with hauppauge t500 card. have done a scan of channels and it has found them, but am unable to see the programme guide. what do i need to do?

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[R]:

jeffjeffdejeff: what do you mean "see"

[16:21:21]

jeffjeffdejeff:

there is no data when i go to the guide – no information on what programmes are schedued

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[R]:

did you set up the grabber in mythtv-setup?

[16:22:00]

[R]:

did you then consequently run mythfilldatabase like it said?

[16:22:28]

jeffjeffdejeff:

according to the parker1 guide, i didnt need to run mythfill as i'm using IET?

[16:22:35]

jeffjeffdejeff:

or is it EIT :)

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[R]:

iet?

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[R]:

oh... if you have eit set up properly

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[R]:

eventually it'll fill in

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jeffjeffdejeff:

you think it could just be a matter of waiting then?

[16:23:13]

[R]:

as long as its set up properly

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jeffjeffdejeff:

ahh, just done another scan of the channels and it's found some stuff. :D

[16:26:06]

antgel:

wilberfan: unfortunately i don't have time. this seems like a good time to see if you've read the documentation, including searching the wiki?

[16:27:40]

wilberfan:

antgel, i've been googling all morning... been reading the wiki, yeah...

[16:27:54]

wilberfan:

antgel, but i appreciate your help so far...

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wilberfan:

antgel, maybe you don't remember being a noob ;-) — but a lot of *nix documentation only makes sense AFTER you understand it...not before...

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wilberfan:

;)

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[16:34:23]

wilberfan:

antgel, here's an interesting turn of events: i now have a /dev/lirc0 ...

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wilberfan:

(I changed my hardware.conf file...)

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wilberfan:

brb

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Golffies:

Hello

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Golffies:

I need help regarding LIRC

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Golffies:

I completed the steps described here : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install#Install

[16:38:16]

Golffies:

But stil get error messages when trying to run irreccord

[16:38:56]

Golffies:

irrecord: could not open /dev/lirc0

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[R]:

is lirc_serial loaded... what does dmesg say

[16:39:33]

Golffies:

yes it is. I see it with lsmod

[16:39:57]

Golffies:

Module Size Used by

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Golffies:

lirc_serial 11284 0

[16:39:58]

Golffies:

lirc_dev 10804 1 lirc_serial

[16:40:41]

Golffies:

I am not sure if LIRC should be running or stopped ?

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Golffies:

I tried both <sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start> and <sudo /etc/init.d/lircd stop>

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Golffies:

Browsing from on howto to another, I tried as well :

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Golffies:

$ sudo lircd -n

[16:42:24]

Golffies:

lircd: can't open or create /var/run/lirc/lircd.pid

[16:42:24]

Golffies:

lircd: No such file or directory

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Golffies:

Would someone help me to diagnose what is going wrong ?

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[R]:

still waiting for the answer to my questions...

[16:44:27]

wilberfan:

i know you have to be patient in irc channels... (unpaid support and all)...

[16:44:27]

Golffies:

Sorry [R]: I wrote : yes it is. I see it with lsmod

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[R]:

i didn't only ask 1 thing

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Golffies:

Here is what I got from dmesg :

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Golffies:

dmesg | grep lirc

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Golffies:

[35679.231970] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61

[16:45:38]

Golffies:

[35680.157116] lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver

[16:45:38]

Golffies:

[35680.157124] lirc_dev: lirc_register_driver: sample_rate: 0

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Golffies:

[35680.157279] lirc_serial $Revision: 5.104 $ registered

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[R]:

please stop flooding in here

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[R]:

that's all it says? doens't say anythig about /dev?

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Golffies:

nothing related to LIRC.

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Golffies:

But I do have a /dev/lirc0 in the file system

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[R]:

then whats the problem

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Golffies:

I see three problems:

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Golffies:

1 – I cannot use irrecord

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[R]:

ls -l /dev/lirc0

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Golffies:

2 – seems that lircd does not exist

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Golffies:

3 – command 'irw' is not recognised

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Golffies:

ls -l /dev/lirc0

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Golffies:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2010-01–03 20:07 /dev/lirc0

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[R]:

well thats why you canj't run irrecord

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Golffies:

seems obvious for you, it's not for me; please go ahead.

[16:53:27]

frego:

I am now running Mythbuntu 9.10 from a fresh install using the INTERNAL player for videos. I used to be able to look through the mythfrontend.log and see what videos were being played via a remote console when I was running 9.04. Seems now it doesn't log what is being played from mythvideo. Any way to get that back while still retaining the internal player?.

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[R]:

Golffies: if you dont know why... i suggest you learn about linux basics before you try to use mythtv

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[R]:

frego: you might need to turn on one of the verbose flags

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Golffies:

I would like to enhance my knowledge thanks to you.

[16:56:02]

Golffies:

That's true, I have not a fair understanding of LIRC architecture

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[R]:

it has nothing to do with lirc

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frego:

[R]>: is that a flag I pass to the internal player on the setup for which player to use?

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[R]:

frego: verbose flag on the frontend...

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Golffies:

You mean, the trouble is related to file access rights ?

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frego:

Thanks, R, will try that

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Golffies:

Thanks, R, it works:

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Golffies:

sudo chmod 777 /dev/lirc0

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Golffies:

regarding the two other issues (lircd and irw). What is going wrong ?

[17:06:30]

[R]:

i doln't know

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[R]:

this isn't #lirc

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Golffies:

I can jump there. I guess 'irw' is one of the binaries installed by lirc package, I am right ?

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Reid:

Anyone familiar with DVD burning so it plays on normal dvd player?

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Gumby:

hi all, where do I go to set the mysql admin user/pass that mythtv-database would use during a dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database ?

[17:28:31]

Gumby:

right now all I get is it asking me if this machine will be the only one or if there will be others and then it goes back to the command line stating... Failed to create or modify database (incorrect admin username/password?)

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antgel:

Gumby: there's lots of information in the mysql docs about setting the /mysql/ root password

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antgel:

Reid: suggest you ask your /real/ question :)

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Gumby:

antgel: isnt it supposed to ask me when I do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database ?

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antgel:

Gumby: i don't use packages for mythtv, so i don't know. what i do know is that reconfiguring the mythtv-database won't help you set your mysql root password, which you have to do so that dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database will have rights to create a database

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Gumby:

antgel: I know my root mysql password, I dont need to set it

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Gumby:

the problem is that mythtv doesnt know what it is

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antgel:

Gumby: ah. you said "where do I go to set the mysql admin user/pass"...

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antgel:

Gumby: and the dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask you for the details?

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Gumby:

antgel: I asked where to set the admin pass in regards to mythtv-database

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Gumby:

and no, dpkg-reconfogire mythtv-database does not ask me for the details

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antgel:

tried dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-backend? it's a long time since i used packages. also try dpkg-reconfigure -plow for both

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antgel:

but really it's easy enough to set manually in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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[R]:

Gumby: it might pull the myth db details from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[17:39:14]

Gumby:

[R]: thats not the same thing I dont believe. that is for the mysql user accessing the mythconverg db.

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antgel:

[R]: the packages should ask for the info at some point, otherwise they could never create a database

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antgel:

Gumby: good point

[17:40:10]

Gumby:

oddly enough, the mythconverg db does get created when mythtv-database runs

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Gumby:

hrmm

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antgel:

Gumby: so try as i said ^^^, failing that you could email whoever created the packages, or create the database manually (pretty easy)

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antgel:

Gumby: that's good, no?

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[R]:

Gumby: its gonna use debian-sys-maint if it can

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[R]:

did you delete that user?

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[R]:

but if its creating the database...

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[R]:

then its using the sys-maint user

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antgel:

[R]: you sure about that? i seem to remember debian-sys-maint is not a mysql root user, but my memory is hazy

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[R]:

i'm reading the script

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antgel:

sounds good *thumbs up*

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zyberzero:

Hi! I've ordered a Mini-ITX card that only fits an PCI express. I'm looking (but haven't found) any TV-card that are capable of both PCI Express and have an analogue receiver. Do you know of anyone?

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wagnerrp:

zyberzero: you mean board? anyway, there are only two mpeg capture cards available for pcie, one of them has drivers but a bug prevents it from working with mythtv, the other has no drivers

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wagnerrp:

anything else you may find will be a framegrabber, and should be avoided

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can grab a PVR-USB2, or HVR-1950

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zyberzero:

Yes, board. Sorry, I'm swedish and we use the same word for both card and board in computer related things... Which cards is it?

[18:00:30]

wagnerrp:

or use an old box with a bunch of PCI bays, stick it in the closet, and load it with PVR-150s

[18:00:50]

wagnerrp:

swedish.... well that changes things

[18:01:04]

zyberzero:

So I'm looking for something capable of PAL.

[18:01:06]

zyberzero:

as well.

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zyberzero:

the PVR-USB2 seems to have PAL support (I can at least order it from several swedish resellers)

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wagnerrp:

ok, your two options would be the HVR-1700 and HVR-2200, neither of which support analog on linux

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wagnerrp:

be aware that i am only suggesting cards with hardware mpeg2 encoders

[18:05:21]

zyberzero:

Exactly. I've actually ordered a HVR-1700 before I saw that the HVR-1700 only supported digital... I'm only capable of receiving an analog signal in this house.

[18:05:40]

wagnerrp:

there are likely pci-e cards that work with PAL, however they will be framegrabbers

[18:05:51]

zyberzero:

I'm, and that is also the only thing I'm looking for since the main board houses an Intel Atom @ 1.8 GHz ;)

[18:05:51]

wagnerrp:

which are not recommended for use with recording

[18:07:13]

wagnerrp:

yeah, in that case, you can try your hand at driver design, grab a couple USB tuners, or shove an old PC in the closet/basement/attic/whereever with a bunch of PCI tuners

[18:08:02]

zyberzero:

So the PVR-USB2 contains a MPEG encoder?

[18:08:34]

frodef:

Any ideas why my "upcoming recordings" is suddenly completely empty?

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zyberzero:

(I was pretty sure that there was no chance that it could have an decoder on that small area, but, well, it seems that I was wrong)

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wagnerrp:

zyberzero: the PVR-USB2 is a big box, not a small dongle.... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2

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zyberzero:

Oh! I was looking at WinTV-USB2...

[18:12:04]

zyberzero:

May have something to do about that :)

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frodef:

ugh, seems my tuner device disappeared.

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zyberzero:

wagnerrp: Is there any differences between the PVR-USB2 card MCE-kit or "only" PVR-USB2?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: small dongle... hehe

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zyberzero:

It seems that the card WITHOUT MCE kit is twice the price :S

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dave94117:

Hey everyone

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dave94117:

I don't get any channels when I scan for them. What is the best command line tool to check and see if there's a problem w/ my capture card?

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wagnerrp:

zyberzero: not sure, never used one

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wagnerrp:

dave94117: what tuner?

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dave94117:

pchdtv3000

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wagnerrp:

you can try 'scan', from the dvbutils package on your distro

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dave94117:

it has worked before

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dave94117:

right. i will try that again.

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dave94117:

dvb-apps is same as dvbutils? i'm using fedora and i can't find the scan command

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wagnerrp:

dvb-something-that-seems-like-it-would-be-a-toolset

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wagnerrp:

i dont know the name exactly

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wagnerrp:

and the executable may be dvbscan in your distro

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AndyCap:

and it's scan-dvb or dvb-scan

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dave94117:

i got dvbnet, dvbtraffic, dvbdate

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dave94117:

you're right scandvb

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AndyCap:

scandvb even

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wagnerrp:

last i used it, it was just 'scan'

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wagnerrp:

but that was maybe a year ago

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dave94117:

who's got an initial tuning data set for north america?

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wagnerrp:

the package you just installed

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dave94117:

/usr/shar/dvb-apps/atsc/us-CA-SF-Bay-Area

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wagnerrp:

not sure why there would be a channel table specifically for the bay area, but go for it

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dave94117:

yeah it scans and fails on all tuning

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[R]:

are you sure its plugged in and your antenna works?

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wagnerrp:

just just the US standard atsc

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wagnerrp:

s/just/try/

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dave94117:

okay — doesn't look good so far either

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wagnerrp:

you cant possibly be scanning that quickly

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dave94117:

scanning /usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

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dave94117:

using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'

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wagnerrp:

its a good several minutes to scan through the ATSC channel table if you have sensible timeouts set

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dave94117:

yeah it's still running but each ?frequency? fails to tune

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wagnerrp:

check on silicondust.com, they have lineups available in your area

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iamlindoro:

presumably you aren't trying to scan cable with that table

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wagnerrp:

(as [R] asked several minutes ago)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, even with the right frequency table/modulation most of the frequencies are going to fail to tune, as they won't all be used

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dave94117:

i've gotten signal from here with this antenna before.

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wagnerrp:

see the silicondust site to determine what channels you should be receiving signal on

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iamlindoro:

nobody said you wouldn't get signal

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wagnerrp:

or, you can check antennaweb.org

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iamlindoro:

I said most frequencies will fail to tune

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wagnerrp:

or tvfool.com

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dave94117:

it failed on all of the atsc north america ones

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dave94117:

the scan inside myth-setup doesn't find anything either

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[R]:

its so weird that they put lifetime on clearqam here

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[R]:

its even more weird that silicondust lists it as 1080i AND 1080p

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[R]:

wagnerrp: 1gb for 30 minutes from a hdpvr... does that seem right?

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LabMonkey:

mkay

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LabMonkey:

I run mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

[R]: seems rather low

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LabMonkey:

it asks me language, I choose english

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[R]:

thats what i thought

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iamlindoro:

likely default bitrate

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LabMonkey:

I get the main menu

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[R]:

but i cranked all the bitrates

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[R]:

up to the max

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LabMonkey:

and then X is locked at 100% cpu and mythv isn't responding to inputs

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iamlindoro:

[R], You are almost definitely still in VBR mode

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[R]:

oh wait

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wagnerrp:

i would expect ~2–2.5GB for that length

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[R]:

i think i dindt pay attention to that thing

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wagnerrp:

thats 10mbps

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[R]:

it said if AVG was higher than max

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[R]:

didn't it?

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[R]:

ah crap on me

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[R]:

i thought the hdpvr only went up to like 13 though

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[R]:

why does the menu let me go up to 20?

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[R]:

is that a bug? avg lets me go up to 13.5... but max lets me go up to 20.2

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iamlindoro:

because the chip allows for peaks up to 20

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iamlindoro:

CBR to 13.5

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[R]:

so if space be damned... set avg to 13.5 and max to 20?

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[R]:

or just both to 13.5?

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iamlindoro:

doesn't mean you'll get 13.5 if you set that

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iamlindoro:

set avg to 13.6 and max to 13.5 if you want max bitrate all the time

[19:03:32]

iamlindoro:

obviously you'd need to do that for each res and for all profiles

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[R]:

avg won't go to 13.6

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iamlindoro:

13.5 and 13.4 then

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[R]:

gonna have to hack the db for that

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[R]:

the sliders aren't very cooperative

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syamajala:

how do you delete a recording profile?

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[R]:

i coudln't figure that one out myself

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[R]:

you could probably delete it from the db

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[R]:

iamlindoro: it looks like by the code the two have to be the same

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[R]:

iamlindoro: i read somewhere that said avg just had to be higher

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[R]:

oh n/m... i forgot about that call to max

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LabMonkey:

I might also mention that my problem didn't start until I upgraded mythtv and it forced me to use the new terra theme

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[R]:

you could try using the Qt painter

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LabMonkey:

I would if it would stop locking up my display before I can even get to settings

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[R]:

there is a -O setting

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[R]:

to override it

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[R]:

why is stargate atlantis so stupid

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sid3windr:

is it me or is myth's math a bit off

[19:29:47]

[R]:

why don't they just cloak BEFORE they go through the gate

[19:29:50]

sid3windr:

Sun, Jan 3, 11:35 PM to 01:05 AM (51 mins)

[19:30:46]

[R]:

sid3windr: where does it say that?

[19:31:07]

sid3windr:

mythweb

[19:31:10]

sid3windr:

(0.21-fixes)

[19:31:21]

sid3windr:

when I click on the show

[19:31:34]

sid3windr:

start time is right, duration is right, end time is not

[19:32:02]

[R]:

well try 22... if it persists... file a bug report

[19:36:33]

sid3windr:

yeah, 22 is on the roadmap ;)

[19:36:43]

sid3windr:

I never noticed it was wrong

[19:37:05]

syamajala:

hmm

[19:37:22]

sid3windr:

it's the only show where it's wrong actually

[19:37:28]

sid3windr:

and the next one starts at 1:05 AM

[19:37:43]

sid3windr:

hmm, does xmltv contain start, stop and length separately?

[19:37:51]

wagnerrp:

LabMonkey: it only would have forced you to use the terra theme if you were trying to use an old, unsupported one

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sid3windr:

if so might be the grabber's fault :)

[19:38:27]

wagnerrp:

also... '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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[R]:

sid3windr: well look at the database

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LabMonkey:

wagnerrp: well I had problems upgrading the database schema in addition to that, so I just backed up and dropped the old database completely then started from scratch... so it's like a new installation

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jst_home:

jpabq: ?

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quink_:

hello

[21:03:05]

quink_:

I'm having trouble doing a .21 to .22 upgrade and was wondering if anyone was around to help

[21:03:09]

quink_:

the DB update is failing

[21:03:15]

quink_:

"Error: The MythTV python interface is not installed or Cannot connect to MythTV Backend. MythTV meta data cannot be updated

[21:03:18]

quink_:

"

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a mythbuntu error

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quink_:

Not mythbuntu :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv itself doesnt care about its python interface

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quink_:

gentoo + linux

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wagnerrp:

thats not an official mythtv error

[21:03:53]

syamajala:

i made a recording but its not showing up under watch recordings

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quink_:

let me see if there is a more official error

[21:04:02]

quink_:

that shows up as an email message.

[21:04:16]

quink_:

Is there a manual command line way to upgrade the DB?

[21:04:20]

iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

no first party mythtv binary will email you

[21:04:28]

iamlindoro:

and the message you are seeing has nothing to do with myth DB upgrades

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quink_:

ok.

[21:04:43]

iamlindoro:

That's JAMU

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quink_:

ok. So i looked at the wrong place. One sec.

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wagnerrp:

JAMU emails you on errors? man, he really went all out on that thing...

[21:05:14]

iamlindoro:

saying that the myth python bindings aren't installed or set up properly-- but since Jamu is purely optional, that doesn't matter

[21:05:26]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, They cron'd it and cron e-mails the errors

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wagnerrp:

well on gentoo, the default ebuild settings install jamu into cron by default

[21:05:57]

wagnerrp:

you have to specifically disable it if you dont want it

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quink_:

2010-01–03 17:04:40.268 Upgrading.

[21:06:06]

quink_:

2010-01–03 17:04:40.278 Newest MythTV Schema Version : 1244

[21:06:10]

quink_:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[21:06:20]

quink_:

2010-01–03 17:04:40.838 DB Error (Index creation failed.):

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wagnerrp:

you didnt just paste a whole bunch of crap in here did you?

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quink_:

So I guess it can't hit the DB for whatever version.

[21:06:46]

wagnerrp:

two lines pasting max, channel rule

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quink_:

Depends on what your definition of crap is.

[21:07:04]

quink_:

Ah. Well crap.

[21:07:36]

quink_:

http://pastebin.ca/1736894

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iamlindoro:

so... about the plain english error message...

[21:08:44]

quink_:

What is weird is that it makes a backup of the DB just fine.

[21:08:51]

iamlindoro:

That's not weird

[21:09:11]

wagnerrp:

see the link on the wiki

[21:09:20]

wagnerrp:

gentoo has some default settings for its mysql installation

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iamlindoro:

backup up the DB is easy, converting it is hard, especially when you use Gentoo, which set defaults for MySQL that broke people's DBs

[21:09:27]

wagnerrp:

that dont play nicely with 0.22

[21:09:30]

quink_:

Maybe I'm misreading things but it looks to backup the db, attempt to connect to do the upgrade, fail to connect, then error out.

[21:09:45]

wagnerrp:

that page describes the steps you need to make to migrate your old database over to the new schema

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quink_:

What page are you referring to?

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wagnerrp:

the one you referred to

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wagnerrp:

read your own pastebin

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quink_:

Oh. it was multilined link. Didn't realize it. I just saw mythtv.org

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wagnerrp:

additionally, the 'driver not loaded' stuff may mean you dont have qt4 set up, missing qt-mysql or something

[21:13:55]

wagnerrp:

although the ebuild should automatically pick that up

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quink_:

thanks. Looks like i've got some work to do now.

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mrguitar:

is anyone around to help w/ a .22 issue?

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wagnerrp:

dont ask to ask, just ask

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mrguitar:

I'm getting a log full of these: HDHRSH(101170CE-0): RunTS(): data_length = 14476 remainder = 188

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mrguitar:

I've read it's because of signal strength

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mrguitar:

I never had this issue in .21.

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mrguitar:

Is there a way to disable this in the logs?

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quink_:

cool. fixed. Thanks

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wagnerrp:

mrguitar: you can reduce the logging level on the backend

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wagnerrp:

although its probably better to fix your signal strength issue

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wagnerrp:

also, you should be keeping your HDHR firmware up to date with the drivers used by mythtv

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wagnerrp:

end of august, i believe

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mrguitar:

I've got the latest firmware

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mrguitar:

I see in the init.d/mythbackend where the log file is set. Where do you adjust the log level? Sorry if this is a dumb question. I just need a temp fix – this is KILLING my software raid, until I can get an external antenna.

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wagnerrp:

in that command line, there should be a '-v something'

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wagnerrp:

default is '-v important,general'

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wagnerrp:

run with '-v help' to see available options

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wagnerrp:

or, you can just log to /dev/null, or disable logging all together

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wagnerrp:

how is it 'killing' your software raid?

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wagnerrp:

it your system cant handle a bit of logging, you have other problems

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mrguitar:

recordings stop after ~5 min. watching iostat -t 1 is scary. It's a beefy PC, but it's logging a ton of stuff.

[22:03:11]

mrguitar:

that's probably only part of the problem

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mrguitar:

wagnerrp: thanks for your help. Things are working great (for now). this is a strange one.

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davez0r:

has anyone had issues with .22 and Unknown listings using Schedules Direct?

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[R]:

davez0r: "unknown listings"?

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davez0r:

yeah, my guide data has dissappeared

[23:12:58]

davez0r:

every listing in mythfrontend shows as 'Unknown'

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davez0r:

and MythWeb shows each as "NO DATA"

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[R]:

what does the backend http status page say about the last run of mythfill?

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davez0r:

that sounds like a great place to start. I've run it a few times and it looks good but i'll check that page now

[23:16:51]

davez0r:

whoa, wtf

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davez0r:

FAILED: xmltv returned error code 65280.

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davez0r:

initially I had used xmltv

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davez0r:

but i switched it to SD and had it working for awhile

[23:18:39]

davez0r:

i tried deleting my input definition and completely redefined it

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davez0r:

but the problem remains

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[R]:

the grabber has nothing to do with the input

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[R]:

its the video soruce

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davez0r:

right

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davez0r:

i have one source defined- that's what I meant

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davez0r:

i deleted all my sources

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davez0r:

and recreated it

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davez0r:

(it's just called antenna)

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davez0r:

then re-linked the source to my tuners

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[R]:

ok now run mythfilldatabase

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davez0r:

yeah, i did and the problem remains. would I have to remove my tuners and redefine them as well?

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[R]:

the grabber is the video source

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davez0r:

so I thought I removed the video source correctly when I chose "Delete all video sources" from the menu in mythtv-backend

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davez0r:

is there another way to be sure I've removed it properly?

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davez0r:

i don't want it to use xmltv at all anymore

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davez0r:

but for some reason it still shows-up in that message

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[R]:

if you delete the source

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[R]:

does it still try to use xmltv?

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davez0r:

well, it's weird. when I watch the output of mythfilldatabase it appears to be doing it correctly

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davez0r:

i see connections to schedulesdirect

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[R]:

but...

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davez0r:

but the status page on mythweb says there's no guide data available

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davez0r:

and kindly reminds me to run mythfill

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[R]:

even when mythfill fully completes?

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davez0r:

yup. I just ran it, watched it go, then I can go to that status page and see the time that it ran

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davez0r:

but it has that FAILED xmltv message

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[R]:

sounds like your db is seriously screwed up

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davez0r:

yeah, almost like mythweb is pointing to different guide data than mythfill is populating

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wagnerrp:

when you deleted those sources, you deleted the channels that went along with it

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wagnerrp:

you must rescan with the new source

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[R]:

there you go

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davez0r:

yeah, i tried rescanning as well when I re-linked the input connections

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davez0r:

i think the key message here is that the backend-status page says it's using xmltv

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davez0r:

which differs from schedules direct right?

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[R]:

what time does it say it ran

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davez0r:

the timestamp is from when I ran it manually

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davez0r:

about 20 minutes ago

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davez0r:

which is 8:28pm my time

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[R]:

you've got something seroiusly screwed up

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davez0r:

heh, this i know

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