Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 7th, 2010, 00:05 AST

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Tanthrix:

Well, got a 720p sample playing OK. But if I skip or fast forward, it stalls with all sorts of ringbuffer issues. Possibly something that would be fixed in a more recent version of Myth.

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Dagmar:

Or VDPAU

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Tanthrix:

That too.

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Dagmar:

No, ust VDPAU.

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Dagmar:

No one's doing any work omgoptimizing the software decode

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Tanthrix:

Fair enough. So what's the "golden" (ie, the most common, most likely to work) series of card this time around? The 8400 GS as said early?

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Dagmar:

Probably so, although some of the low end 2xx cards will be cheaper and better at it

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Dagmar:

The 220 in particular

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Tanthrix:

Anything even cheaper than that?

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Tanthrix:

I'm used to my video cards costing in the $30 range! ;-)

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[R]:

you can get an 8400 for that

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Dagmar:

Feel free to peruse the web and do your own research

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Tanthrix:

Ah Dagmar, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to come back a year later and see that some things never change. ;-) Thanks for the info, I'll have a look.

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Dagmar:

I'm not getting involved in any more "but I wanted to be able to use the fanciest deinterlacer" crap

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Dagmar:

Man if I can boil it down to dollar values per feature in less than three hours, so can you

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Tanthrix:

I'm thinking I'd probably just set my motorolla box to output 720p, let it do the deinterlacing.

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Dagmar:

it's $20 to have the "best" deinterlacer at 1080

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: That would be one of the best solutions I can thin kof

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Tanthrix:

I just wish I could magically make my Sharp Aquos deinterlace the 1080p DVI from my myth box when it's outputting interlaced content. Its deinterlacer is downright magical, and no software deinterlacing I've ever seen can touch it.

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[R]:

you can't deinterlace 1080p

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[R]:

its not interlaced

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Tanthrix:

Note the "magically" and "when it's outputting interlaced content.

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wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: is this in mythvideo? or a recording?

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[R]:

its not outputting interlaced content

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[R]:

its outputting progressive content

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kormoc:

Tanthrix: so set the output to 1080i?

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I could, but I have a lot of progressive content as well, so then I'd have to switch back and fourth. Plus, I imagine getting 1080i output over DVI could be tricky.

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Dagmar:

Yes, it's always win to make the box interlace the output just so you can deinterlace it later

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[R]:

i use advanced 1x... i dont get what the big deal people make about deinterlacing

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Dagmar:

[R]: They have penis size issues

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

wtf... why is my hdpvr failing hard all of a sudden

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Both, actually. I have some dvd images I've made that I play in mythvideo not using myth's decoder, as well as myth-played content. It was just an idle wish though, I'm happy with my setup.

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wagnerrp:

in mythvideo, if you have tearing and nastiness with fastforward, generate seektables for your videos

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Tanthrix:

And yes, you can quickly lose your mind over deinterlacing. But, some forms if deinterlacing look really dreadful with certain types of content, so it's worth paying some attention to.

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Tanthrix:

IE, my Star Trek series dvd images turn into perfect 24p content (minus any effects shots) when using a certain pull down, but bob mode and other common deinterlacers result in less quality, jaggies, etc.

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[R]:

WTF

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** [R] kills his stupid onboard usb **

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[R]:

[ 9777.719297] usb 2–1: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub

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[R]:

its using freakin usb 1.1

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[R]:

no woonder its failing

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Dagmar:

hahahah

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wagnerrp:

why are your star trek dvds interlaced?

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Star trek was filmed, then converted to NTSC interlaced where effects shots were mastered. So, you end up with a mixture of pulled down 24p content and interlaced effects shots.

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: The newer series, that is. TOS was all film, movies are obviously film.

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Tanthrix:

Anyways, I'm off. Thanks for the info, folks.

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k_ross:

capturing via firewire is proving to be a royal pain. i keep having to rmmod/modprobe the firewire_ohci module.

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k_ross:

i was hoping i could use firewire capture on most channels, since i get lots of unencrypted channels, and just use my HD-PVR's on the encrypted ones

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k_ross:

it doesn't seem to be cooperating with me. i guess i'll just be sticking with the hd-pvr's

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[R]:

why bother with firewire

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[R]:

if you ahve the hdpvr

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k_ross:

just with the very limited testing i've been able to do, video quality is better with firewire

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wagnerrp:

marginally

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wagnerrp:

the problem with firewire is that it is not consistent, 5C can change per-show, with no warning

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k_ross:

ugh

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k_ross:

didn't know that, thought it would be per-channel, not per show

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k_ross:

i was going to setup my scedules direct lineups accordingly

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k_ross:

never mind then. i'll stick with my hd-pvr's. they work pretty reliably

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[R]:

are you bitrates set too low?

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k_ross:

i have all the sliders pushed to the right

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wagnerrp:

sneezing makes me hurt all over...

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[R]:

k_ross: you're not gonna get CBR at 13.5 with that

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k_ross:

[R]: are you saying i should set it differently?

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k_ross:

for highest quality?

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[R]:

well the highest is gonna be CBR at 13.5

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[R]:

and you're not gonna get that with what you deswcribed

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k_ross:

ok i think i understand

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k_ross:

let me navigate to the recording profiles page....

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k_ross:

ok avg. bitrate is 13.5, and max bitrate is 20.2, implying VBR, not CBR

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k_ross:

so i should lower max bitrate to 13.5?

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[R]:

you can't with the sliders

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[R]:

they suck

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k_ross:

oh

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k_ross:

:(

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k_ross:

edit in the db?

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Tanthrix:

Does anyone know if using a PCi Express 2.0 card in a 1.0 slot would cause issues with VDPAU not performing at its best?

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k_ross:

or is there a spot in mythweb?

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[R]:

no clue

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[R]:

i edited the db

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wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: not specifically, no

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[R]:

of course... my crappy usb can't even handle over 4mbits

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wagnerrp:

however there have been reports of systems that downclocked themselves because the CPU was not being used

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wagnerrp:

at the lower clock rate, there were bus contention issues

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Caused by automatic CPU scaling?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Tanthrix:

Isn't that adjustable though, if the issue arrises?

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wagnerrp:

yes, you just disable it

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wagnerrp:

or now, you could disable it temporarily using the even subsystem

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wagnerrp:

event

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Tanthrix:

Gotcha. Well, hopefully running in an older slot won't reduce the bandwidth in a similar way. Or at least, in a way that similarily affects performance.

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: If you were a gambler, would you go with a GT 220 and hope the old slot spec isn't an issue, or play it safe by getting a 1.0 older card, like a 9xxx series?

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Tanthrix:

(For purposes of VDPAU, obviously)

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wagnerrp:

its a non-issue

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wagnerrp:

dont worry about it

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Tanthrix:

Good enough for me. I'll go with the 220.

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Tanthrix:

Thanks for the info. Much obliged.

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Tanthrix:

On a related note, does anyone know if there is any funny business going on with cheapie GT 220 cards with regards to DVI and HDMI slots being mutually exclusive?

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wagnerrp:

not that im aware of

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Tanthrix:

I'm going to need to output 1080p on HDMI, and have a DVI monitor as well. I have a faint memory of some older cards that just had an HDMI connector as a built in adapter that essentially shared the DVI port.

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wagnerrp:

on those cards, youre only going to have two simultaneously usable outputs

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wagnerrp:

so if you have three outputs

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wagnerrp:

something will be mutually exclusive

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Tanthrix:

Good to know – sounds like everything should be good to go, then.

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Tanthrix:

I'm excited, I've been out of the loop for so long I didn't realize vdpau had gotten so advanced and well supported.

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k_ross:

[R]: after following the chain from recordingprofiles, to profilegroups, to codecparams, i finally found where to make the changes. restarted the backends, and at least it doesn't look worse :)

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k_ross:

i'll have to do some testing to see if it's an actual improvement

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[R]:

make sure the filesizes make sense

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k_ross:

good point, let me check some of my recordings to see what avg bitrate it actually ended up at

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k_ross:

and compare to the new settings

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k_ross:

according to my calculations, my existing recordings are about 7.07 Mbps

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k_ross:

720p

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[R]:

that sounds reasonable

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k_ross:

and my LiveTV recording of about 8 minutes with the new settings shows 14.4 Mbps

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k_ross:

if my math is right

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k_ross:

i'll have to do a longer recording

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wagnerrp:

jeffrey kosowsky is on crack

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Dagmar:

jeffk?

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Dagmar:

I mean, I think that sums it up

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Dagmar:

Oh, I found out what was up with the porno on Youtube today

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wagnerrp:

jeffk... the one just asking how to copy the 'frontend' portion of his database for a new database for his remote frontend

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[R]:

Dagmar: it was anonymous wasn't it?

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Dagmar:

Hmm... refer him to the EO page and call it a day

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Dagmar:

[R]: It was, but in typical 4chan style the message was lost among the lunacy

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i heard about it a few days ago

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Dagmar:

YouTube nuked the accounts of one of their people for language

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wagnerrp:

porn on youtube?

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[R]:

was it like the porn that randy liked on south park?

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[R]:

that was one funny episode...

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Dagmar:

Yep. They tried to argue the guy's account to be reinstated. They made logical arguments about it apparently.

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Dagmar:

[R]: Nope far from it

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Dagmar:

People should really listen when Anonymous is being reasonable

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Dagmar:

Both for it's merit AND it's novelty

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Dagmar:

So like, YouTube nuked someone's account for strong language

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wagnerrp:

youtube nuked his account because he was 8, you have to be 13

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Dagmar:

They pointed out many other people who were doing worse and didn't get so much as a warning--the idea being that the guy would behave if there were equal treatment instead of the uneven enforcement

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Dagmar:

Oh...

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Dagmar:

This isn't what I was being told by someone who willingly goes to 4chan

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Dagmar:

Anyway they've been uploading it for several days, deliberately crafting the videos to not be noticed by the content filter

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wagnerrp:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/20 . . . wes1234.html

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i've never heard of people worrying their db is gonna get corrupted... wtf?

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Dagmar:

Like, making sure the parts that the thumbnail and clip grabbers would show the admins would be clean, kids videos

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Dagmar:

THe rest would be porno

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Dagmar:

Today they were supposed to all link the guy's userid as a tag

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[R]:

thats pretty clever

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wagnerrp:

they just marked them as private videos, so no one could see them anyway

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wagnerrp:

no one sees them, no one can flag them as porn

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wagnerrp:

the admins dont troll videos themselves

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wagnerrp:

they just look at stuff that has been flagged by the user base

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Dagmar:

There was a lot of interesting sneakery on one of the videos I was shown

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Dagmar:

THey spliced the thing so if you seeked through it you'd only see frames of an actual kid-centric video

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Dagmar:

If you *played* it, you'd be seeing about 99% porno

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wagnerrp:

well thats nothing special

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wagnerrp:

its the same thing theyve been doing for years of rick-rolling

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Dagmar:

It's the first time I've seen it done by spliced in "clean" frames

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Essobi:

Meh... My firewire is being sketchy

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Essobi:

I have to reset the bus everytime I change channels :|

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[R]:

Essobi: but if it works...

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k_ross:

Essobi, i was having the same exact problem a few minutes ago

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Essobi:

[R]: You really want to take 10 seconds to change channels everytime? heh

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clever:

my firewire doesnt give me a single channel

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clever:

not even the tv guide channel

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wagnerrp:

dagmar: ive seen it where you dont even see the spliced in frames in the video

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[R]:

Essobi: stop watching livetv then

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Essobi:

[R]: :(

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k_ross:

i get lots of unencrypted channels over firewire, just i can't watch them, since it doesn't, you know, work.

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clever:

i stoped watching livetv because my framegrabber ate too much CPU to allow playback

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[R]:

i dont know what funnier

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[R]:

you using a crappy framegrabber

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clever:

ive since fixed the problem, but havent returned to livetv thru myth

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[R]:

or you using a cpu taht cant even handle playback with one

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clever:

the 1.6ghz had trouble with recording and playing at once, and would sometime scramble the entire recording

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clever:

ive since moved to a pvr150 in a 400mhz P2

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Essobi:

k_ross: Yea.. I'm not sure which of mine are 5C..

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Just ask him why he hasn't updated his webpage in so long http://www.somethingawful.com/hosted/jeffk/

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wagnerrp:

that is pretty awful

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wagnerrp:

hes a computer consultant? but hes like 15 in that picture

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wagnerrp:

all the charm of mid-90s retard

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Dagmar:

That jeffk doesn't actually exist, but it should irk the heck out of your poster

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[R]:

lol

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Dagmar:

They ruined it for everyone whos last name begins as a K and whose first name is Jeff

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Dagmar:

heh

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sixup:

hello, anybody awake?

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slacktv:

hello everyone.

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slacktv:

I recently upgrade to 0.22 and having a problem starting mythbackend at boot up

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slacktv:

I created a script that worked fine with 0.21 but not working with 0.22

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[R]:

what does the log say

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slacktv:

mythbackend stops because it "cannot locate your home directory"

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[R]:

HOME needs to be set

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[R]:

there are tons of init scripts

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[R]:

in the repo

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[R]:

that have explains on how to prplery do it

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slacktv:

is there something different btw .21 and .22 on how it startups up?

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slacktv:

why is it using "Using configuration directory = //.mythtv"

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[R]:

because there is no HOME

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slacktv:

why would it work find with 0.21 but not with 0.22?

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[R]:

because its checking for it now?

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slacktv:

one more stupid question, what is the repo?

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[R]:

"the"?

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slacktv:

you said "there are thons of init sscripts in the repo" where extactly is that?

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

the svn repository

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[R]:

svn.mythtv.org

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[R]:

but thats also in the source code

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Dagmar:

Run it as root if you like, but please do give it a complete environment when you do that

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slacktv:

well the slackware script in the repo is almost identical to what I have.

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[R]:

and that one is also 3 years old

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slacktv:

is there a new one?

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[R]:

pretty sure i already told you what you have to do to fix it

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slacktv:

thx

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justinh:

oo only -12 deg C this morning

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nipuL:

i'm trying to use storage groups to view video files, but the frontend doesn't see anything

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nipuL:

do i also need to install mythvideo on the backend?

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nipuL:

they are seperate machines

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justinh:

you shouldn't have to

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justinh:

but you *will* need to scan for new videos

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justinh:

press MENU in mythvideo

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nipuL:

yeah, tried that

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nipuL:

no files dound

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nipuL:

found

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nipuL:

logs indicate connection to the master backend is successful

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nipuL:

do i need to set up the local master as the remote backend?

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justinh:

so did you point mythvideo at the right directory for the storage group assignment?

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nipuL:

not sure, where do i check ther?

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nipuL:

that

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justinh:

sounds like you've not configured it then, if you don't know :)

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justinh:

IIRC it's in mythtv-setup

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nipuL:

fe or be?

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justinh:

backend

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justinh:

you only ever run mythtv-setup on the backend

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nipuL:

ah i think i get it

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nipuL:

brb

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nipuL:

yeah, working now

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Gumby:

hi all. trying to compile .22 fixes and I get the configure error "Error! QtWebkit headers not found" I do have libqt4-webkit installed. Have I missed something?

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justinh:

yeah libqt4-webkit-dev

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Gumby:

hrm, apt doesnt seem to have it

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justinh:

maybe it's called something else

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justinh:

apt-cache search webkit :)

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justinh:

on my box here it's libqtwebkit-dev

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justinh:

anywhere else it's likely to be %webkit%dev ;-)

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Gumby:

going to try both qt4-dev-tools and qt4-dev only other thing is libwebkit-dev but that states its for GTK+

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Gumby:

or libkdewebkit-dev

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justinh:

you not got libqtwebkit-dev listed in that apt-cache search?

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Gumby:

nope

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Gumby:

running jaunty here

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justinh:

you might need a distro upgrade to get qt4 webkit

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Gumby:

I hope not. I just did a distro downgrade due to kernel issues

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

ok, something grabbed in apt-get install qt4-dev-tools qt4-dev managed to be the right package

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mzb:

libwebkit-dev

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Gumby:

libwebkit-dev isnt installed

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Gumby:

but configure is fine now

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justinh:

so yeah, thanks me!

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Gumby:

:) thanks justinh

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ivor:

justinh: any more dubious additions to your snowgirl collection?

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justinh:

nah. too tired from all the digging

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justinh:

first day back at work today anyway

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ivor:

mountain biked over to the train station this morning.

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ivor:

50% of trains running.

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ivor:

ho hum. now what dvb-fu do I need to remove the narrative audio track out of a TS recording.

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ivor:

PS3 is picking the first audio track on all my HD recordings. :(

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hipitihop:

I'm about to install a second usb tuner, anything I should know before I start ?

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justinh:

ivor: eew. try ffmpeg with the -acodec copy -vcodec copy incantation

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justinh:

assuming the streams are in the right order in the 1st place

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hipitihop:

if I setup two tuners on the same back-end, does this mean my listings will show all channels twice ?

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justinh:

only if you're stupid & do something silly

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justinh:

if the tuners all receive the same channels then no, not if you assign the input connections correctly :)

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justinh:

i.e. assign one 'video source' to both

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hipitihop:

justinh, please define stupid... wha tI am assuming it is possible is to have two tuners that can both see the same set of channels and that way I can record on one an dplay live tv on another or record two different channels using both tuners

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justinh:

all you need do is set up the 2nd tuner, then in input connections assign it the same 'video source' you used for the first tuner. Simples

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hipitihop:

aah sounds like the trick... so do I need to rescan

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amidaniel:

Can anyone offer me any further ideas for cleaning up grainy / banded analog TV? Have tried every deinterlacing setting, have tried fine-tuning frequencies. WinTV-HVR 1600, ATI Raedeon HD 4350

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justinh:

hipitihop: no

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justinh:

amidaniel: crap in, crap out :)

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justinh:

get the antenna/cable cabling sorted out

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amidaniel:

justinh: It's beautiful picture coming through. I hook it up to my TV, and it looks great.

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amidaniel:

The cable, that is.

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justinh:

not indicative of anything, that

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amidaniel:

Is the card just junk?

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justinh:

other than it works fine & looks ok on the teevee directly

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justinh:

not really

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** hipitihop was already impressed with mythtv but the more he learns about the capabilities, the more impressed he gets **

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justinh:

signal may be too weak/strong for the tuner

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justinh:

but FWIW TV card tuners are generally greatly inferior to tuners inside TVs

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amidaniel:

Okay.'

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amidaniel:

That's good to know :)

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amidaniel:

So what can be done to fix it?

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justinh:

is the signal coming from a cable source?

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justinh:

or antenna?

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amidaniel:

Cable source. Comcast qam

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justinh:

qam is NOT analogue

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amidaniel:

erm, not qam lol

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justinh:

in any case try re-routing the cable, take a more direct route... the problem is the signal integrity I think

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amidaniel:

Just standard ntsc analog

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amidaniel:

Okay

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justinh:

you can normally only split cable so many times before it needs boosting anyway

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justinh:

for every split, you generally consider the signal to be halved

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justinh:

at best

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amidaniel:

Well, it's just coming directly out of the wall (coax) into the PC, so I at least am not splitting it

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justinh:

could be a grounding problem too

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justinh:

banding & diagonal lines are a symptom of that

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AndyCap:

amidaniel: http://www.kyes.com/antenna/interference/tvibook.html

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ivor:

justinh: ta, I'll try a selection of ffmpeg tricks tonight then. just tried using -map to chop out the narrative but got an unhappy file.

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amidaniel:

Okay... Well, so one thing: OTA channels like nbc, abc, look great. It's just the cable channels, e.g. msnbc looks like crap.

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amidaniel:

And it's generally thin horizontal bands moving along the image, and larger vertical bands. Some channels are grainy, others are not

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jblack:

Um, dumb question?

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jblack:

Now that 3d is a few years down the road... Does transcoding work in a 3d world?

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justinh:

yes, asking to ask is a dumb question :)

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justinh:

jblack: you're way too far ahead of reality there boy

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jblack:

I wasn't asking to ask. I was asking if the question itself is dumb. It must be, but I can't figure it out

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jblack:

There's 3d sets coming out -now-, believe it or not.

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justinh:

I don't doubt it for a minute

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justinh:

considering bluray playback in linux is frigging *unpossible* still.. the point is pretty moot

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AndyCap:

so, how long has HDTV been on the market? 1984?

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jblack:

I suppose it doesn't matter to myth at all. I don't remember hearding anything about ota being able to do 3d.

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jblack:

s/hearding/hearing

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AndyCap:

jblack: perhaps you should qualify 3d?

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justinh:

I rather hope this fad dies sooner rather than later

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jblack:

I'm not sure how the newer sets work; perhaps like nvidia's 3d stuff, as both rely on 120hz. nvidia's drivers use 120hz and lcd shutter glasses.

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justinh:

hey somebody pass the gimpy sunglasses I wanna watch teevees. Can't see that catching on awful quick

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AndyCap:

justinh: you'll get contacts.

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jblack:

a lot of the stuff in theaters is 3d these days.

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AndyCap:

alot? give me a break

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jblack:

I figure it works it's way from movies down.

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jblack:

I think there were close to a dozen 3d movies this year.

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jblack:

There were 17 in 2009.

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justinh:

Sky are talking about launching it by 2012

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AndyCap:

and how many movoes?

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AndyCap:

movies..

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jblack:

17.

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justinh:

broadcast 3D sports & films. MEH

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AndyCap:

no. normal movies.

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justinh:

I've never seen a '3d' film but I KNOW it'll be crap, not worth the hassle/investment/looking like a dork in those glasses :)

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jblack:

Bloody Valentine, Coraline, Battle for Terra, Up, Call of the Wild, Ice age 3, g-force, final destination, cloudy with meatballs, toy story 1 & 2, nightmare before christmas, palnet 51, princess and the frog, and of course avatar.

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jblack:

justinh: Go see avatar in 3d. Really. That's an order, and you'll seriously regret it if you don't.

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justinh:

I'll want all that time back. Over my dead body

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AndyCap:

jblack: no. you said a lot of stuff in theaters is in 3d. So 17 3d films out of how many movies in 2009?

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jblack:

No, you won't.

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justinh:

sorry to be the voice of dissent, but it looks like a waste of money

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jblack:

AndyCap: I'd say that's a lot of movies.

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jblack:

maybe you're confusing "a lot" with "most" ?

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jblack:

justinh: It's really not. I promise.

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jblack:

this is _not_ the crap 3d we had as kids. This is actually high quality. really.

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jblack:

For example, the glasses are polarized lenses, rather than the headache inducing cyan/red from the 80s and 90s. So you get cool color and brightness.

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justinh:

I don't care about the '3d' part. Avatar just looks like it'll be crap plot-wise & everything

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jblack:

final destination is typical LOOK AT THIS!!! crap-3d stuff. But avatar, it's not. Honest.

[08:01:41]

justinh:

and FWIW I don't care how good it is, at £9 a pop for a 3D flick I don't think anything is worth it

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jblack:

sometimes I think you're some 80 year old missing all his teeth.

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amidaniel:

Removed the wireless card .... no change. Tried running the cable back through the TV with the computer on right next to it...still crystal clear picture there. Do I just need to change to a different tuner card??

[08:02:08]

justinh:

I stopped believing in hype a long time ago

[08:02:14]

amidaniel:

I really don't think it's an issue of interference

[08:02:29]

jblack:

justinh: Fine. Your loss.

[08:02:34]

justinh:

fine :)

[08:02:42]

jblack:

You're cheating yourself, but that's your loss.

[08:02:53]

justinh:

I can't remember the last time I went to the flicks & didn't want to demand my money back

[08:03:10]

jblack:

I've been to a lot of those.

[08:03:21]

justinh:

they get 2D wrong often enough I hate to think....

[08:03:43]

justinh:

in a good cinema.. maybe.. just maybe it's worth a punt

[08:04:12]

jblack:

The story isn't bad, though the american indian pocahantas cliche is a bit strong.

[08:04:27]

jblack:

Most of the plot and story feel.. true.

[08:04:49]

jblack:

maybe it hit me particularily strongly because I'm a vet and anti-war.

[08:04:56]

justinh:

if I'd had known 'Up' featured talking dogs I'd have given it a big miss

[08:05:10]

justinh:

bloody Disney

[08:05:12]

jblack:

Up? dude, it's a disney. what did you expect?

[08:05:33]

justinh:

I'd have been wrong to miss it though. turned out ok :)

[08:06:17]

justinh:

see with this kind of stuff, the more it's hyped & the more people prattle on about it.. that always make me want to look the other way. That's just the way I am

[08:06:26]

jblack:

I would put avatar under children of men, but over cloverfield.

[08:07:04]

justinh:

so for me 'most anticipated' gets a strong 'meh more like when I'm ready' response :)

[08:07:30]

jblack:

That's because they really enjoyed it, and think that you would too if they could get past your curmudgeonly ways. You're _way_ to young to shove your head into a hole.

[08:07:58]

justinh:

I've been conned way too many times. Cynics aren't born ya know

[08:08:19]

jblack:

fine. What's your fucking paypal address?

[08:08:31]

justinh:

besides, it's only a movie not a life-changing experience :)

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jblack:

I'll pay for the damn movie. And when you like it, i want you to apologize for being a moron. Either way, free movie.

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justinh:

you think I'm being a moron? LOL

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jblack:

Yeah. I do.

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jblack:

So much so, I'm giving you the money for the ticket.

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justinh:

because of my point of view?

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justinh:

jesus H Christ man

[08:09:59]

jblack:

No, because of _why_ your point of view.

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jblack:

what's your paypal address?

[08:10:22]

jblack:

or your google checkout, if you have that.

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ivor:

this channel's taken a surreal twist...

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jblack:

that was a pain to find.

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** hipitihop dances, setup second usb tuner card and works like a charm, pip and all, woohoo **

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hipitihop:

watching live tv I brought up the osd and selected "edit channel" the osd is now frozen, although live tv playback continues... how do I get out of this state ?

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amidaniel:

hipitihop: Change to a terminal and run: killall mythfrontend

[08:42:04]

hipitihop:

amidaniel, I guess so and I can do that from an ssh session to ?

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loki_666:

hipitihop, having the same issue: had to apply amidaniel "fix"

[08:42:21]

hipitihop:

loki_666, is that a known bug ?

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loki_666:

no idea, didn dig for it since i never use this in the frontend

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amidaniel:

hipitihop: Should be able to. May need to add a sudo if you're not the user who's running the frontend proc

[08:44:46]

hipitihop:

amidaniel, although I get no process found

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hipitihop:

top shows mythfrontend-re

[08:46:36]

amidaniel:

Then try that'n

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hipitihop:

doesn't complain but also doesn't kill it

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clever:

because its called mythfrontend-real

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amidaniel:

Ah, yes, that's it lol

[08:49:31]

hipitihop:

nope, that's not it, no process found

[08:49:42]

amidaniel:

So I stripped just about everything out of this box except the TV tuner card, and disconnected the fans. Still getting the same banding issues.

[08:49:58]

amidaniel:

hipitihop: Do: ps aux | grep myth

[08:50:20]

Elwell:

ps auxwww will show more of the command line

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hipitihop:

amidaniel: indeed, use the force luke... mythfrontend.real not mythfrontend-real

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amidaniel:

Aha, thar we go

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hipitihop:

so you sorted your interference issue

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[09:02:45]

amidaniel:

Nope

[09:02:49]

amidaniel:

No clue

[09:03:08]

hipitihop:

is this a dvb card or analog

[09:03:31]

amidaniel:

It's an analog signal. The card's a dual tuner

[09:03:45]

amidaniel:

The digital half though is completely off (already had issues with that)

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hipitihop:

haven't read backwards here, but I assume the signal is fine when direct to TV iow, we are certain the analog signal/arial/cabling is fine

[09:08:07]

amidaniel:

Seems to be. Direct to the TV looks pristine

[09:08:15]

** hipitihop wishes he could spell aerial **

[09:08:37]

hipitihop:

what is the output from pc to tv ?

[09:08:42]

amidaniel:

And I removed just about everything from the box, video card, wifi card ... disconnected the rear fans.

[09:09:11]

amidaniel:

Right now I'm running through a d-sub to a standard monitor. When going to tv, using s-video. Makes no difference. Seems to be on the capture side

[09:09:35]

hipitihop:

aah, so actual recoding appears to have imperfections

[09:09:57]

hipitihop:

have you checked stream from mythweb ?

[09:10:08]

amidaniel:

Here's a sample video: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dccannon/junk/problem.mpg

[09:10:09]

hipitihop:

e.g. asx

[09:10:16]

amidaniel:

No, I have not

[09:13:11]

hipitihop:

eek

[09:13:33]

amidaniel:

Ya :)

[09:13:35]

hipitihop:

is this a pci card ? tried changing slots ?

[09:13:52]

amidaniel:

PCI, yes. No ... suppose I could. Only have two

[09:14:09]

amidaniel:

Just a sec

[09:14:52]

hipitihop:

being a dual, I assume it has two inputs, have you swapped the inputs also ?

[09:15:21]

hipitihop:

if it is one of the inputs faulty then the problem should switch from analog to digital etc

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amidaniel:

Well, one of the inputs is digital; the other is analog

[09:18:54]

amidaniel:

The card is the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1600

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hipitihop:

I see, makes sense

[09:19:40]

amidaniel:

What bothers me the most, though, is that 2 (FOX), 4 (NBC), 6 (WB), etc ... come in pretty well. The OTA channels

[09:20:04]

amidaniel:

Which are also transmitted in digital, though I cant imagine that would make a difference

[09:20:24]

amidaniel:

Same issue in the other PCI slot, btw

[09:21:40]

hipitihop:

ok re slot, it was a grasp at a straw... so those analog channels are fine when connected direct to tv

[09:21:54]

hipitihop:

sure is sounding like the card

[09:22:23]

hipitihop:

you don't happen to have another analog card or usb tuner to test with ?

[09:22:41]

amidaniel:

Woa, woa, well I'll be goddamned. I switched to the other input (which should just be DVB). I'm getting CNN through it just fine; no banding

[09:22:55]

amidaniel:

Well, it's grainy. But no bands

[09:23:02]

** amidaniel scratches head **

[09:23:30]

** hipitihop hand amidaniel a rake **

[09:24:20]

amidaniel:

But how bizarre. The OTA channels are now not being picked up

[09:25:27]

amidaniel:

And the other channels are super grainy

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hipitihop:

are you testing this under myth or some other sw

[09:25:33]

amidaniel:

Some worse than others

[09:25:48]

amidaniel:

Right not I'm just running "vlc /dev/video0"

[09:26:16]

amidaniel:

And using ivtv-tune to tune it

[09:26:24]

amidaniel:

But lemme look at myth

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hipitihop:

well almost sounds like some channels are off on the tuning

[09:27:42]

amidaniel:

Yeah. I'm getting sound through on 4, 5, 6, but snow for a picture.

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amidaniel:

Well, actually, there may be a picture there .. the snow seems to have some structure

[09:28:18]

hipitihop:

on myth ?

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amidaniel:

Yeah

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hipitihop:

so different result to vlc & iv-tvtune ?

[09:31:42]

amidaniel:

Let me try doing a channel scan through the backend

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** hipitihop nods **

[09:32:08]

amidaniel:

Does that adjust the tuning at all or just use the standard offsets and test if there's a signal there?

[09:32:36]

hipitihop:

not sure ... but the offsets are editable afaik

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amidaniel:

Ah ... this problem again. Oh boy oh boy. Channel scan gets to the first channel and then hangs with 5% on the Scan progress

[09:34:03]

clever:

what the hell

[09:34:10]

clever:

mythcommflag ate a whole gig of swap

[09:34:18]

clever:

Mem: 255856k total, 252416k used, 3440k free, 0k buffers

[09:34:18]

clever:

Swap: 1048568k total, 1048568k used, 0k free, 6388k cached

[09:34:33]

amidaniel:

Ouch

[09:34:46]

amidaniel:

Sounds like someone forgot to free a pointer or two

[09:34:48]

clever:

and the kernel is running around like a mad man, killing everything except mythcommflag!

[09:35:11]

clever:

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

[09:35:16]

clever:

12611 mythtv 37 17 1255m 217m 180 S 2.7 87.2 3:48.02 /media/mainlv/root/8.04/bin/mythcommflag -j 19184 -V 1072688375

[09:36:13]

amidaniel:

What does mythcommflag do?

[09:36:23]

hipitihop:

flags commercials

[09:36:23]

clever:

finds comercials in the recordings and flags them

[09:36:32]

amidaniel:

Oh i c

[09:36:57]

hipitihop:

and you can then get mythtv to automatically skip them when you play back

[09:36:58]

clever:

but at this instant, its crippled the system so badly that killall cant kill!

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amidaniel:

Oh cool cool. If it works, that is :)

[09:37:44]

amidaniel:

clever: kill -9

[09:37:56]

clever:

amidaniel: killall hasnt returned the shell to me yet

[09:38:04]

clever:

its still 'running'

[09:38:13]

clever:

ah, it just finished killing

[09:38:19]

clever:

Mem: 255856k total, 82656k used, 173200k free, 0k buffers

[09:38:19]

clever:

Swap: 1048568k total, 69520k used, 979048k free, 46432k cached

[09:38:22]

amidaniel:

Oh I see. And Ctl+C does nothing?

[09:38:32]

clever:

mythcommflag is ran in the background

[09:38:36]

clever:

cant ctrl+c it

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amidaniel:

Ctl+C on the killall

[09:39:00]

clever:

it already took 2 minutes just to ctrl+c tail -F and type killall in

[09:39:04]

clever:

but its gone thru now

[09:39:18]

clever:

over 4 minutes for killall to kill

[09:39:27]

amidaniel:

You might try ... uhh ... pulling the power cable

[09:39:48]

clever:

i did that a few hours ago, mythbackend resumed the job on bootup :P

[09:40:11]

clever:

now that i actualy killed the job, mythbackend will have marked it as failed and not try again

[09:40:22]

clever:

| 1290 | 0 | 2 | 19184 | 2010-01–03 04:25:00 | That '70s Show | 0 | 272 | 2010-01–07 09:37:56 | olddell | 143 commercial break(s) | 2010-01–03 05:02:04 |

[09:40:31]

clever:

aha, ive been seeing that bug alot before

[09:40:31]

amidaniel:

Oh lol. Well reboot into a terminal and nuke mythbackend

[09:40:55]

clever:

i killed it, yet it thinks it worked and found 143 comercials

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amidaniel:

Lmao. Good job :)

[09:43:08]

clever:

ive been seeing '143 commercial break(s)' in the log alot before

[09:43:11]

clever:

this might be why

[09:43:29]

hipitihop:

might explain why it was so busy too

[09:44:36]

amidaniel:

You know what, I think this card is just a heaping pile of dung.

[09:45:33]

amidaniel:

Anyone have any recommendations for a new one?

[09:46:37]

hipitihop:

amidaniel, for dvb I'm very very happy with Asus 3100 .. just installed second one today.

[09:46:43]

clever:

amidaniel: analog or digital?

[09:46:48]

amidaniel:

Analog

[09:46:56]

clever:

i'm using a pvr-150 without any problems

[09:47:05]

amidaniel:

Can't get those anymore :(

[09:47:55]

clever:

ebay might have them still

[09:48:06]

amidaniel:

Yeah, true. Let me take a look

[09:49:10]

amidaniel:

I was looking at either the 2250 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116037) or the 1850 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116015)

[09:49:44]

amidaniel:

Glancing through some reviews on amazon for my current code (which maybe I oughta have read earlier), lots of people have seen this same graininess on analog pictures

[09:49:48]

amidaniel:

s/code/card

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hipitihop:

ok good luck sourcing a new card... I'm off to bed.

[09:50:57]

amidaniel:

Thanks for your help :)

[09:51:03]

amidaniel:

Sleep well

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hipitihop:

I did nothing but distract you, thanks for yours

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hipitihop:

tomorrows taks will be to see how to load a kernel module "uinput" automatically on boot in my mythbuntu.

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clever:

hipitihop: add 'uinput' to /etc/modules i think

[09:53:47]

clever:

or was it /etc/modules.conf

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clever:

something in that area

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hipitihop:

clever, well there is a /etc/modules file there an no /etc/modules.conf so I will try that

[09:56:55]

clever:

for /etc/modules it seems to be 1 module per line

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amidaniel:

Should be able to just add it to /etc/modules

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clever:

yep

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amidaniel:

I'd do a modprobe as well

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hipitihop:

amidaniel, I've done the modprobe but that doesn't stick across the reboot

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hipitihop:

clever: & amidaniel: yep /etc/modules did the trick, rebooted and "lsmod | grep uinput" now shows it up

[10:00:53]

amidaniel:

hipitihop: Yeah, that's why you add it to /etc/modules

[10:01:25]

clever:

ive found a weird problem with my SD card

[10:01:42]

clever:

i have a pair of 2gig usb sticks (sd and normal raw usb)

[10:01:46]

clever:

they arent the same size

[10:01:59]

clever:

the SD is ~2mb smaller

[10:01:59]

hipitihop:

on that note after much good progress thanks to peeps here, I'm off to bed.. gnite all and thanks for your attention

[10:02:19]

amidaniel:

Thank you hipitihop . Good night!

[10:02:38]

clever:

amidaniel: any ideas why a 2gig stick wouldnt be 2gig?

[10:02:58]

amidaniel:

Could an IR blaster be used to control a TV?

[10:03:07]

clever:

amidaniel: yep

[10:03:15]

amidaniel:

clever: What size is it showing up as?

[10:03:24]

clever:

ive thought of it before, detect the volume keys on my ivtv remote

[10:03:34]

clever:

and then blast out a diff code, for the stereo system or tv

[10:03:42]

clever:

8 64 1955808 sde

[10:03:43]

clever:

8 80 1931264 sdf

[10:03:48]

clever:

major minor #blocks name

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clever:

sde is the normal usb stick, sdf is the SD card (in a reader)

[10:04:10]

patdk-wk:

clever, many reasons why :)

[10:04:28]

clever:

patdk-wk: and a few of them are?

[10:04:30]

amidaniel:

Hmmm .... I almost wonder if it would be possible to run the video into the card through component from the TV, which can do a much nicer job with the cable signal than the card apparently can

[10:04:40]

patdk-wk:

you write to drives at 512bytes at a time

[10:04:50]

patdk-wk:

flash normally likes 16k, 32k, 64k, or higher

[10:04:58]

amidaniel:

clever: That seems plausible to me. It depends upon how they break up the drives.

[10:04:59]

clever:

different page sizes?

[10:05:05]

patdk-wk:

so they normally put a second chip in to buffer it

[10:05:08]

amidaniel:

SD using 16k sector sizes typically, IIRC

[10:05:12]

patdk-wk:

sounds like in the one, they stole a part to do it

[10:05:21]

amidaniel:

uses*

[10:05:21]

patdk-wk:

amidaniel, it depends on the side

[10:05:30]

amidaniel:

Ah, okay

[10:05:30]

patdk-wk:

the bigger the flash, the larger the page size

[10:05:40]

clever:

i was trying to write a 2gig disk image to the SD card

[10:05:45]

clever:

but it is ~2mb smaller

[10:05:47]

patdk-wk:

why larger flash is slower for random writing than smaller flash

[10:05:49]

amidaniel:

Never ever trust what drivemakers tell you about the size of their drives though :)

[10:05:55]

clever:

so i lost the end of the XFS file system

[10:06:14]

patdk-wk:

ya, you should assume 1000, not 1024

[10:06:20]

patdk-wk:

and even then, some lie about it :)

[10:06:31]

clever:

yeah, my 15b drive was more like 932gig :P

[10:06:36]

clever:

1tb

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patdk-wk:

I normally take what they say, at 1000x, and -1g

[10:07:00]

amidaniel:

You're more generous than I :)

[10:07:19]

patdk-wk:

ya, a 1tb drive should be 931.32gigs

[10:07:29]

patdk-wk:

but I like to play it alittle save, and say 930gig

[10:07:36]

patdk-wk:

or for raid purposes, 900gig :)

[10:07:46]

amidaniel:

So this is so interesting. The OTA channels and HBO look excellent on the other input, while all the other channels are shit. On this input, the OTA channels and HBO are snow, while the other channels look (relatively) good.

[10:08:14]

clever:

if i can shrink my XFS filesystem by a few mb, it should be good

[10:08:24]

patdk-wk:

normally flash drives don't have this issue, cause flash is made in 1024x, not 1000x, but well, you never know :)

[10:09:01]

clever:

patdk-wk: yeah, i almost always see sizes in base2, 128mb 1g 2g 4g 32g ...

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clever:

they probly want to maximize the address pins use

[10:09:35]

** amidaniel frustrated. **

[10:09:39]

clever:

whereas a hdd is serial and can probly waste the bits in the addr more

[10:12:21]

clever:

# An XFS file system cannot be shrunk

[10:12:24]

clever:

dangit

[10:12:53]

patdk-wk:

just format the flash

[10:12:57]

patdk-wk:

and rsync -aH

[10:13:06]

clever:

patdk-wk: and reinstall grub

[10:13:15]

patdk-wk:

reinstall grub?

[10:13:20]

clever:

its a bootable usb stick

[10:13:30]

patdk-wk:

you don't reinstall grub, you re-init the boot sector

[10:13:37]

clever:

yeah

[10:13:43]

patdk-wk:

simple

[10:13:55]

clever:

and if i do it wrong, i fry the partition table

[10:13:55]

clever:

and then i have to start over

[10:14:08]

patdk-wk:

now if you really want to freak out people, do what I do

[10:14:18]

patdk-wk:

I like to take my flash drives and partition them into like 10+ parts

[10:14:25]

clever:

lol

[10:14:27]

patdk-wk:

and install a different os/util into each part

[10:14:36]

patdk-wk:

windows can only see the first partition

[10:14:38]

patdk-wk:

and ignores the rest

[10:14:47]

clever:

yeah, i cant even delete the partition from windows

[10:14:49]

patdk-wk:

so you don't have to worry about idiots destroying it :)

[10:15:27]

clever:

something else ive heard

[10:15:35]

clever:

you can format a usb in a certain way, so it acts like a cd

[10:15:39]

clever:

including autoplay

[10:15:51]

patdk-wk:

heh?

[10:15:55]

clever:

so a program on the stick will run when you insert it

[10:15:56]

patdk-wk:

autoplay is an os thing

[10:16:00]

clever:

yeah

[10:16:04]

clever:

its a windows 'feature'

[10:16:15]

patdk-wk:

windows does craploads of things

[10:16:20]

clever:

makes it easy for you to install a virus just by shoving your stick in for 30 seconds:P

[10:16:22]

patdk-wk:

if I plug a usb into my computer

[10:16:29]

patdk-wk:

windows will search it for something to *play*

[10:16:39]

clever:

yeah, thats the other one

[10:16:47]

patdk-wk:

even if there is no autoplay.ini file

[10:16:59]

clever:

but if you do it a certain way and have autorun.inf it will run that program without even asking

[10:17:04]

clever:

if you left the defaults in

[10:17:12]

patdk-wk:

at work here I have auto-insert notification turned off via ad policy, so none of the computers do it

[10:17:23]

patdk-wk:

annoys people when they plug in their camera's

[10:18:05]

clever:

another neat trick ive seen used

[10:18:14]

clever:

my 3g modem will claim to be a usb cdrom drive

[10:18:32]

clever:

so autorun works exactly as it was meant to, on a 'cdrom drive'

[10:18:36]

patdk-wk:

ya, mine does that

[10:18:40]

clever:

it then installed its own drivers

[10:18:46]

patdk-wk:

and the 3d modem won't work till you unmount the drive :(

[10:18:55]

clever:

under linux, i have to manualy eject the 'cd' to make it reconnect the serial port

[10:19:00]

clever:

just eject, not umount

[10:19:04]

clever:

and i used udev to automate that

[10:19:37]

clever:

KERNEL=="sr?", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{size}=="2097151", ATTRS{vendor}=="Novatel ", RUN+="/root/stick_insert 3g"

[10:19:51]

clever:

this udev rule will run my script when the cdrom is inserted

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clever:

the script then spits it back out

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patdk-wk:

heh, I don't run a script at all for mine

[10:20:14]

clever:

KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", DRIVERS=="option", ATTRS{bInterfaceNumber}=="00", SYMLINK+="cell_modem", RUN+="/root/stick_insert 3g_modem"

[10:20:27]

clever:

then the serial port is connected, and it shows a popup on the screen saying its ready

[10:20:46]

clever:

and symlinks it as /dev/cell_modem, so i dont have to guess at where it went

[10:21:46]

clever:

http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/

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patdk-wk:

ah, here is what I have

[10:29:55]

patdk-wk:

in udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules

[10:30:10]

clever:

thats something else

[10:30:19]

clever:

the distro is adding rules to that automaticaly

[10:30:26]

clever:

when it finds a new device, it just adds the rule

[10:30:38]

clever:

if it finds an old device, it uses the old name

[10:31:13]

patdk-wk:

ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="Novatel_Mass_Storage_091097412490000–0:-", SYMLINK+="cdrom3", ENV{GENERATED}="1" RUN+="/usr/bin/eject %k"

[10:31:26]

patdk-wk:

yep, just added the run=eject to the end

[10:31:28]

patdk-wk:

solved, done

[10:32:21]

clever:

one of the things i use alot is the 'beep' program

[10:32:35]

clever:

so it can beep when the usb serial driver is done loading for that port

[10:32:50]

amidaniel:

Really?

[10:32:54]

clever:

saves some typing while waiting for ttyUSB0 to appear

[10:32:58]

patdk-wk:

no speakers, so beeps are useless

[10:33:08]

clever:

patdk-wk: not even the motherboard one?

[10:33:15]

patdk-wk:

hell no

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patdk-wk:

I even take apart my ups's and remove them, cause some of them don't have an off option

[10:33:52]

patdk-wk:

I would much perfer the system send me an email

[10:34:13]

clever:

my master backend is setup to beep when channel changes fail

[10:34:15]

patdk-wk:

nothing worse than a crapload of ups's beeping at 2am

[10:34:20]

patdk-wk:

when the power blinks

[10:34:21]

clever:

stuff that needs instant responce

[10:34:35]

patdk-wk:

never had a channel change fail

[10:35:01]

clever:

my ir blaster drops digits on ocasion

[10:35:19]

clever:

its a pain in the ass when that show that isnt repeating winds up being replaced with tv guide:P

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[10:56:27]

jarle:

clever: How have you setup your beep thing?

[10:56:57]

clever:

jarle: a webcam infront of the STB checks the actual channel its on

[10:57:02]

clever:

as part of the channel change script

[10:58:06]

jarle:

clever: and you have some sort of ocr software convert image to txt?

[10:58:13]

clever:

then reblasts (and beeps) until the image is correct

[10:58:22]

clever:

i made a bash script to compare it to a reference image

[10:58:30]

clever:

and use imagemagick to count how many pixels differ

[10:58:58]

jarle:

clever: sounds like a 100% geek setup :)

[10:59:48]

clever:

if i bump the camera at all, the images dont line up and it goes nuts

[10:59:59]

clever:

sometimes even a brightness change will do it

[11:02:30]

AndyCap:

these things need more serialports

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[11:03:05]

gocsp_:

hello

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[11:05:06]

gocsp_:

where is the setting for subtitle fontsize?

[11:05:19]

gocsp_:

i'm searching the whole time and nothing :(

[11:05:26]

justinh:

what kind of subtitles?

[11:05:32]

justinh:

VBI or digital?

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[11:05:53]

justinh:

if you mean DVB digital subs, you cannot change the size

[11:06:07]

patdk-wk:

srt? :)

[11:06:07]

justinh:

they're generally bitmaps :)

[11:06:19]

gocsp_:

yes srt

[11:06:22]

justinh:

winners don't use srt :)

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gocsp_:

but i'm using it :)

[11:06:51]

patdk-wk:

well, if he was a winner, he wouldn't be asking either :)

[11:06:58]

gocsp_:

;)

[11:07:26]

patdk-wk:

I did more vdpau testing last night

[11:07:46]

patdk-wk:

found the random pauses and stuff are predictable

[11:07:52]

gocsp_:

or where is the internal player?

[11:08:05]

patdk-wk:

must be some encoding error from my hvr-1600 and pvr-350

[11:08:13]

gocsp_:

the internal player gets -sid %s for subtitles?

[11:08:23]

gocsp_:

perhaps it is possible to set the size

[11:08:24]

patdk-wk:

cause when played back, using vdpau, it has issues at the same spot every time

[11:09:02]

justinh:

yes you can set the size of text based subs

[11:09:18]

justinh:

it's either in appearance settings or tv playback settings

[11:09:39]

justinh:

utils/setup > setup > appearance

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patdk-wk:

playing a crapload of software encoded stuff, and downloaded anime, played perfect with vdpau

[11:09:52]

justinh:

or utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback

[11:10:00]

gocsp_:

ok thx – mom :)

[11:10:05]

justinh:

or maybe it's in the OSD settings pages

[11:10:20]

patdk-wk:

heh, it's in settings, done :)

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[11:10:42]

clever:

Dibblah: ok, ok, so what would cause mythcommflag to eat 1gig of swap and find 143 comercials?

[11:10:57]

Dibblah:

A bad file.

[11:11:11]

clever:

ok, let me find it and play the file

[11:11:46]

Dibblah:

No, find it, commflag through GDB on a box that isn't quite as anemic.

[11:12:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: [ot] So, do you think we've got a chance at getting our orders in before the money runs out? ;-)

[11:12:12]

jarle:

justinh: any hints where in the theme I should look to change the font size for the mythvideo's gallery?

[11:12:34]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: considering how many are flooding into the room now, its questionable

[11:12:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: yeah, 5 mins ago it was 1200, now it's nearly 1300... yikes.

[11:14:28]

justinh:

depends on the theme!

[11:14:52]

jarle:

justinh: ok, I was thinking this might be universal...

[11:14:52]

justinh:

just ask in #mythtv-theming. And yes, I know I'm not in there

[11:15:08]

justinh:

no, all fonts are theme defined

[11:15:22]

justinh:

either in base.xml & referred to from there or in video-ui.xml

[11:15:41]

justinh:

you need to find the element you want to change, find out which font it uses, then find the font definition

[11:17:06]

patdk-wk:

jarle, the only universial option I know is the, default, big, medium, small option on the theme selection page

[11:17:11]

patdk-wk:

but that is *universial*

[11:17:15]

patdk-wk:

not just mythgallery

[11:17:23]

justinh:

some themes don't have a video-ui.xml (cheaters!) so will use the default/video-ui.xml or default-wide/video-ui.xml file

[11:17:25]

sid3windr:

universial!

[11:17:25]

patdk-wk:

mythvideo I mean

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justinh:

patdk-wk: wrong.

[11:17:37]

justinh:

patdk-wk: those options no longer work

[11:17:49]

patdk-wk:

ah, I hadn't used that for awhile

[11:17:55]

patdk-wk:

cause it seemed to just make a worse mess

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: There are so many people in that channel that they silenced everyone...

[11:18:07]

clever:

lol

[11:18:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: except the 'regulars'...

[11:18:12]

clever:

look at the 2nd room

[11:18:19]

justinh:

depended on whether the theme author actually used them or not

[11:18:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: 2nd room?

[11:18:21]

patdk-wk:

heh?

[11:18:27]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: #sparkfun-discuss

[11:18:27]

justinh:

I could never be bothered

[11:18:47]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: the room is less then 2 minutes old, and has 200+ people

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: yeah, I just joined... it's climbing fast too...

[11:22:12]

clever:

thats the actualy active people

[11:22:16]

clever:

not the ones idling in the other one

[11:22:20]

clever:

so its more usefull

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gocsp_:

hm its crazy.. i set the font to bold.. it works.. but nothing with other size

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Gumby:

hi all. I'm used to using the ubuntu mythtv packages however I have decided to give it a go and setup a system from scratch. I am using ubuntu minimal and I am using the latest fixes release and have compiled from source. It seems that I can only get mythtv to see my DVB cards properly if I run mythtv-setup using sudo. Is this simply a permissions thing? Can I change the permissions of a device?

[12:14:00]

ivor:

yup, check the permissions/ownership on your /dev/dvb devices then tweak your group members and/or tweak udev rules as necessary.

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Abongile:

Hi all, please help can't log into mythbuntiu, loggin scressn comes up, I insert password, the log in screen goes away and returns. So I can't log in.

[12:24:03]

Gumby:

thanks ivor (sorry for the delay, I got stuck in the land of mythtv-setup)

[12:26:55]

Abongile:

I could logon before but I ran ltsp-rebuild-client and the problem occured before I could log on but had no distributed media services and that's what I thought I was addressing with rebuild client.

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[12:30:11]

iamlindoro:

http://hd.engadget.com/2010/01/07/avermedia-a . . . -its-lineup/

[12:30:15]

iamlindoro:

Well well well

[12:31:14]

iamlindoro:

Though if that's correct and it's stereo sound, one wonders why you would bother

[12:32:47]

iamlindoro:

http://www.avermedia-usa.com/AVerTV/Press/NewsDetail.aspx?Id=231

[12:32:50]

iamlindoro:

Press release

[12:34:23]

ivor:

indeed, would be odd to have a stereo limit. that phrase isn't included in that press release either.

[12:35:02]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, wording about HDMI in the press release is odd, too

[12:35:13]

iamlindoro:

The way that reads, it sort of sounds like it has a hardware decoder/HDMI out

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iamlindoro:

http://www.avermedia-usa.com/AVerTV/Press/NewsDetail.aspx?Id=229

[12:37:25]

iamlindoro:

Another presser, more explicit

[12:38:05]

iamlindoro:

But similarly odd language

[12:38:15]

iamlindoro:

"The AVerTV HD DVR is a PCI Express x1 internal High Definition video capture card with HDMI and Component Video input interface. It offers real-time H.264 recording so you can record your favorite programs in 320 x 240 resolution with advanced H.264 encoding technology."

[12:38:33]

ivor:

and the wording in that one is even weirder. "320x240" ?

[12:38:48]

iamlindoro:

someone took the low end of the specs to write that press release, one hopes (ie presumably is 320x240 up to 1920x1080)

[12:39:19]

iamlindoro:

Since it's PCIe obviously the image in the engadget story isn't it

[12:39:31]

ivor:

surely if your company's going to be putting out press releases of products someone should be checking them!?

[12:39:39]

iamlindoro:

heh, you would hope

[12:41:18]

jams:

i bet the person who checked the released didn't know a thing about the product

[12:41:34]

jams:

eyes glossed over when reading pci express or 320x240

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ivor:

which would be inexcusable.

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand what you would want with HDMI capture

[12:44:59]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Really tough to tell but I *think* it implies there's also component?

[12:45:16]

wagnerrp:

but why bother?

[12:45:28]

wagnerrp:

i mean you cant pull HDMI off any media components

[12:45:28]

iamlindoro:

because the clueless masses want it

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wagnerrp:

so the only people who would have any use for it would be professionals doing video capture

[12:45:47]

wagnerrp:

and theyre probably going to want lossless anyway

[12:45:57]

wagnerrp:

rather than whatever encoder chip this thing is using

[12:46:20]

iamlindoro:

If it *can* do 5.1 and component, then it's basically comparable to the HD-PVR at slightly less cost, but the preceding are obviously question marks

[12:47:29]

ivor:

wagnerrp: the implication of the hdmi capture from the press release is that it's for gamers to record their gameplay in HD. Is the hdmi output of a console protected?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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ivor:

i.e. for a game, rather than media playback.

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wagnerrp:

yes

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ivor:

seems pointless then! :)

[12:48:25]

wagnerrp:

at least the PS3 will not function without a HDCP capable display

[12:48:28]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, none of those cards are going to record if HDCP is present, which is why the HD-PVR is still a better choice.

[12:48:29]

wagnerrp:

dont know about the xbox

[12:48:45]

iamlindoro:

ivor: wagnerrp I still think they are just trying to offer a "banner feature" to differentiate themselves

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devinheitmueller:

Of course, if a Linux driver comes around, there is no saying that it won't ignore the HDCP just like most Linux drivers don't enforce Macrovision.

[12:49:11]

iamlindoro:

ie as far as they are concerned, who cares if it's of any actual use? The consumer will look at the box and see one has HDMI capture and the other doesn't

[12:49:13]

wagnerrp:

well the pcie card is enough to do that already

[12:49:38]

wagnerrp:

of course its not like it really matters, since you are still going to have a STB sitting outside the machine

[12:50:27]

wagnerrp:

hopefully its not one of those POS cablecard tuners

[12:50:40]

wagnerrp:

that slots into a PCIe slot, but then still uses USB for data

[12:51:05]

wagnerrp:

they just have a chunk of board sticking into the slots, no electrical connection

[12:51:39]

ivor:

euw.

[12:52:23]

iamlindoro:

Wheeeeeeeeee that second Monster was probably a bad idea

[12:52:29]

** iamlindoro bounces off his office walls **

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: any luck with sparkfun?

[12:53:05]

clever:

not even a SYN+ACK

[12:53:40]

clever:

on ocasion i see a RST in the packet dump

[12:53:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: yeah, can't even get anything to behave here... ugh... and I was trying for about 20 mins before too...

[12:54:00]

clever:

i started trying right when it opened

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: They say the 1st 100 orders have been placed — gee it only took an hour for 100 orders with the load they're experiencing...

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clever:

the real problem is the 1000 people spamming F5 to make it load

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah.

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clever:

technicaly, even 1 F5 is bad

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clever:

it generaly makes the browser re-verify every cached object

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clever:

meaning more connections and more requests

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iamlindoro:

wrong channel you guys?

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clever:

iamlindoro: the correct channel has over 2000 users and is +m

[12:56:27]

iamlindoro:

so PM each other

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Don't you love the absolute obstinate refusal to believe that the HDHR+CC can't be used in Linux?

[12:58:26]

iamlindoro:

"Well maybe we could..."

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devinheitmueller:

heh.

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devinheitmueller:

I took a pretty serious look at the specs a couple of years ago from an "attack vector" standpoint, and was rather surprised that they did such a good job.

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iamlindoro:

Purely academically speaking, I'm rather surprised there has never been a more concerted effort to break 5C encryption (ie, to sidestep CC entirely)

[13:01:37]

iamlindoro:

Which is not to say it's been easy, just surprise that since every other DRM and encryption seems to have attracted some community dedicated to stealing them, cable appears to avoided that

[13:02:01]

devinheitmueller:

Well, breaking 5C doesn't actaully allow you to commit theft of service.

[13:02:01]

iamlindoro:

s/it's been/it would be/

[13:02:17]

devinheitmueller:

... hence the incentive is less than breaking CableCard, which would allow you to receive channels you are not entitled to.

[13:02:59]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Well, I guess I mean the DigiCipher II variant applied to most QAM in the US, not DTCP

[13:03:30]

devinheitmueller:

Ah, yeah that is different.

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iamlindoro:

anyway, just surprising given the strident insistence of many people on getting everything for free that nobody has ever taken at least a shot at it

[13:04:24]

Abongile:

Isn't anybody who can or cares to help me with my problem. I can't loggin into the X environment on my mythbuntu box. I have scoured the forums and tried some ideas from luanchpad but they are for ealier ubuntu I am on 9.10.

[13:04:33]

devinheitmueller:

I suspect some have but probably failed. It's surprisingly well engineereed.

[13:05:03]

devinheitmueller:

Also, extraction of the keying info from the cablecard requires dedicated hardware.

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iosonoio:

nyone know how can tell to mythtv default grabber to add the option --slow so that it download all the description of the channels for the EPG?

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devinheitmueller:

MediaCipher CA

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devinheitmueller:

oops, wrong window.

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iamlindoro:

UGHGHGHGHGHHGHH

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iamlindoro:

You know, if I weren't so committed to practicing what I preach w/r/t our new courtesy and profanity regulation in this channel...

[13:14:23]

iamlindoro:

Why do people feel like it's okay to walk into someone else's house and tell them what rules they refuse to follow?

[13:14:51]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Well, one might argue that this is *all of our*'s house.

[13:14:53]

devinheitmueller:

;-)

[13:14:56]

iamlindoro:

ref: person on the list who wants to turn the HDHR CableCard discussion into an argument about the rule against talking about cardsharing

[13:15:09]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Yeah, I rather expect that argument

[13:15:16]

iamlindoro:

teh communiteh!

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devinheitmueller:

heh

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iamlindoro:

you know, the community where all the cockroaches scatter if someone gets sued and the devs get stuck holding the bill

[13:16:20]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Yup, that community.

[13:16:27]

iamlindoro:

Just making sure

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devinheitmueller:

This is the advantage of not having a copyright line with my name on it anywhere in there. :-)

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jams:

haha someone on the list saying they cant get the mythhello pluging to compile. Wonder if he is using the old wiki info or the recently updated version

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iosonoio:

anyone know how can tell to mythtv default grabber to add the option --slow so that it download all the description of the channels for the EPG?

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iamlindoro:

jams: Discussion started before you updated it, so I'm betting the old one

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jst:

Does anyone here use davco's Windows MythTV builds? I cannot get MythTV to display on my second monitor.

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jams:

just find the timing of that amusing

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iamlindoro:

iosonoio: 12 minutes since the last time you asked is too soon.

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iosonoio:

iamlindoro: oh ok :) sorry

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CyberKnet:

anyone see the engadget story about HDHomeRUn developing a dual CableCARD network tuner for $249?

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wagnerrp:

big annoying thread on the mailing list about it

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wagnerrp:

completely worthless as far as mythtv is concerned

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CyberKnet:

that's what I thought probably happened.

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CyberKnet:

And that was my assumption as to its usefulness

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CyberKnet:

CableLabs didn;'t change their position afaik

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wagnerrp:

i like how people are claiming that access to the unflagged (and supposedly unencrypted) content would be a great alternative to firewire and a cable box

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wagnerrp:

dont cablecard rentals usually cost as much as cable boxes anyway?

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CyberKnet:

yes

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wagnerrp:

so youre paying an additional $250 for absolutely no gain?

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CyberKnet:

cable box from Cox here in tulsa encrypts the firewire for non-free-to-air channels

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CyberKnet:

so if it was supposedly unencrypted, I could see gain for me there. But I REALLY doubt it would be unencrypted for everything

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CyberKnet:

that's completely contrary to everything I've heard about concerning equipment that interfaces with CableLabs standards...

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wagnerrp:

it used to be that everything recorded from a cablecard tuner was encrypted on the hard drive

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CyberKnet:

That's what I had seen too.

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wagnerrp:

but apparently now only stuff that is copy flagged (and thus 5c encrypted) gets encrypted on the hard drive

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CyberKnet:

Isn't everything 5c these days?

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wagnerrp:

5c only exists on the firewire port on the cablebox

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wagnerrp:

the stream itself is just copy flagged, and gets encrypted on the box if the flag is set

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wagnerrp:

but theyre talking about the possibility of rev-eng'ing the network protocol on the new box

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wagnerrp:

so they can record those unencrypted channels directly

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sid3windr:

revenging!

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sid3windr:

heh

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wagnerrp:

which would effectively give you the same thing you get over firewire right now

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wagnerrp:

for the same fee per month (for a multi-stream cablecard) plus $250 for the box itself

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Abongile:

Hi All, I can't loggin into my system, this maybe an ubuntu question. I loggin and the loggin screen returns. Can somebody help me?

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wagnerrp:

thats a question for the #ubuntu channel

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iosonoio:

anyone know how can tell to mythtv default grabber to add the option --slow so that it download all the description of the channels for the EPG?

[14:27:09]

wagnerrp:

use of mythtv implies that you already know how to use your computer

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: The HDHR would encrypt channels that were copy flagged before sending them over the network – this is what you are saying?

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: the new one, yes, making those worthless to mythtv

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: agreed

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amidaniel:

wagnerrp: lol

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wagnerrp:

Abongile: things to check.... lack of write access to your user directory, invalid shell defined in /etc/passwd

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wagnerrp:

those are the only two i can think of off hand

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wagnerrp:

that or gnome is just inexplicably crashing

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jams:

iosonoio- if it's not in the mythtv-setup grabber area, your best best is to try and write a wrapper for whatever grabber your using. mythtv calls the wrapper, the wapper call the grabber with -slow

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iosonoio:

jams: ok got it ;)

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Abongile:

wagnerrp: I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure-a and dialogue box about system wide readability of home folders cam up, I selected ok. I have looked at that /etc/passwd file bit I don't know what to look for.

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Abongile:

wagnerrp: Or what to change.

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wagnerrp:

Abongile: basically, you need to see someone who knows their way around ubuntu

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Abongile:

wagnerrp: I am in South Africa, more specifically East London and Linux skill is still a very very scarce resource. So other than you guys I am pretty much in my own.

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wagnerrp:

#ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

Abongile: or #ubuntu-mythtv

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Abongile:

wagnerrp: I am keen to learn so if you can guide me, I really appreciate it. I am on #ubuntu-mythtv, #mythtv-users and #ubuntu-mythtv channels have been there for last four hours or so with no luck.

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Abongile:

wagnerrp: I also figured that since this either an xsever or gdm problems that #ubuntu channel would be best, was thinking incorrect?

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wagnerrp:

my comment about /etc/passwd is that on POSIX systems, when you login, it will run the user's specified login shell

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iamlindoro:

Abongile: Sorry, there are probably a lot of channels where people would be happy to help you, but not getting an answer in the right channels doesn't turn this into a general linux help channel

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wagnerrp:

if that shell is not a valid executable, you will be unable to logon

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wagnerrp:

but when youre logging into X, i dont know if that still holds true

[15:20:34]

wagnerrp:

basically... 'i cant log on' could be any number of things, theres no way to diagnose that if you arent familiar with the system

[15:20:48]

wagnerrp:

and ive not used ubuntu more than a couple hours

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sid3windr:

-> #ubuntu

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sid3windr:

:)

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Abongile:

iamlindoro: Don't understand that one. I am a mythbuntu user and have a problem in that I cannot get past the loggin screen it keeps returning. Wagnerrp was advising me.

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wagnerrp:

i wasnt advising you, i gave you a couple things you might look for, and the directed you to #ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

Abongile: all of which is offtopic for this channel. It's very discourteous to come and fill a channel with offtopic talk that has nothing to do with the software supported by that channel

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iamlindoro:

Abongile: So please seek your general linux/ubuntu support in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv, or any other channel where it is appropriate and courteous to ask

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Abongile:

wagnerrp: sorry thank for pointing me, perhaps that's what I meant to say. Thank you for trying to help, any help at this stage is really appreciated.

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Abongile:

lamlindoro: I am newbie I don't really know all the channels and their respective rules, I meant no direspect about and if somebody has an answer to my problem I think it's jsut wrong to not answer it cause it was asked in the wrong channel. Thank you, this very conversation is off topic.

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iamlindoro:

Abongile: Wasn't taken as disrespect, just a gentle correction

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iamlindoro:

Abongile: More or less every channel enforces channel topic to greater or lesser extents

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iamlindoro:

this channel generally permits off-topic light hearted banter, but support requests should generally be for the topic at hand, otherwise people tend to get cranky/feel taken advantage of

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Abongile:

lamlindoro: Oh ok, I took the wrong way. thanks man. I am on the #ubuntu #ubuntu-mythtv channels have been for hours waiting for somebody to care and help me but up to now no luck.

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Fatboy:

I can t get the EIT to work I dont know what i have done wrong (from my db http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1741802)

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Fatboy:

is there more I can do/check?

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Fatboy:

hi, by the way

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iamlindoro:

Did you import your channels with a channels.conf?

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Fatboy:

yes (I think I got help to set it up)

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7701

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iamlindoro:

Then that's why you don't have EIT

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Fatboy:

ok

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Fatboy:

so How do i fix it ?

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Fatboy:

do you know

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iamlindoro:

Wait for the ticket to be fixed and then re-import your channels.conf, or figure out how to scan your channels using Myth's scanner

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Fatboy:

oki

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Fatboy:

tnx

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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galorin:

I am running a newly installed Mythbuntu 9.10 system, and whenever I schedule a recording, it shows up in the recorded program list, but when I select it, Mythtv reports that it can't find the file specified. How do I troubleshoot this?

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wagnerrp:

likely something that caused the recording to fail

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wagnerrp:

check file permissions

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wagnerrp:

check the backend logs for tuner issues

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galorin:

wagnerrp, sounds good, though it does seem to be that every single recording fails, so probably permissions

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wagnerrp:

they never stick around

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: that's like, work.

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wagnerrp:

well you would think he would stay around until his problem was fixed

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jst:

Is there an IRC channel or forum for support for MythTV on Windows?

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jams:

none that i know of dedicated ot that

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Dagmar:

#bdsm

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jams:

you could ask here, but not for sure anybody here would be able to help

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Dagmar:

You'd probably be better off trying to run the thing on MythBuntu in a VirtuaBox VM

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jst:

Dagmar, heh.

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iamlindoro:

jst: Myth on windows is very much a niche group of Myth users, and as yet is not an officially supported platform

[18:06:33]

Dagmar:

I've done it here.

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iamlindoro:

I'm not saying you shouldn't try to run it, but know that nearly none of us will have done so, and you'll be largely expected to solve problems/write code on your own

[18:07:12]

iamlindoro:

jst: Case in point, there are no actual core myth devs working on the windows port

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Dagmar:

I'm saying it would be a lot easier to clone one's own working Unix system into a VirtuaBox image

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wagnerrp:

ive never managed to get it to run, could never compile it on my own, and the pre-compiled installer crashes

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Dagmar:

Like, lots and lots easier.

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clever:

i just grabed colinux

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clever:

it contains an ubuntu image, which was perfectly compatible with my existing trunk build

[18:10:00]

clever:

so i just nfs mounted the --prefix like i did with every other linux box and myth ran

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clever:

but colinux has no video access, its limited to X11 over tcp

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Dagmar:

Awesome. So you get the hassle of running the kernel alone without any GNU tools, AND the complication of having to tell both it and Windows exactly what hardware you have?

[18:10:39]

Dagmar:

That's just great

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clever:

colinux basicaly gives me a fully working ubuntu server install that runs along side the windows kernel

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Dagmar:

THing #1: VirtuaBox can boot a liveCD

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jst:

Alright, well I'll ask away... So I'm running MythTV on Windows 7, and I have my screen offset X set to 1920 in order to display MythTV on my second monitor. This keeps Myth on my second screen, so long as I'm not watching a recording. Whenever I watch a recording, it reverts back to my main monitor. I've also tried adjusting the the screen with the Screen Setup Wizard to no avail.

[18:17:11]

wagnerrp:

apparently you have playback set to use a different resolution/position from the GUI

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Wicked:

jst, hmm. in the mythtv options theres a place to set what monitor for mythfrontend to start on. i have my normal monitor then a projector hooked up. i have mythfrontend use the projector which on my setup is screen 1

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jst:

Ahh, brilliant. Let me try to find it.

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Wicked:

:)

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jst:

Is it somewhere in mythfrontened.exe?

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Wicked:

i setup my monitors using the nvidia-settings utility...theres a option in there to make one screen the master ....i make my monitor the master screen

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Wicked:

:o

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Wicked:

.exe?

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Wicked:

and yes...its in mythfrontend.

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jst:

nvidia-settings... Are you talking about Linux?

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Wicked:

yes

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Wicked:

oh. crap. you said windows 7

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jst:

Same thing might work for Windows. Let me mess with it.

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Wicked:

kinda over read that part. sorry

[18:21:01]

Wicked:

yea. its worth a shot.

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jst:

Yup, that did it. It always displays on the primary display.

[18:22:46]

jst:

That doesn't help me any though. :(

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Wicked:

ah. well on linux it defaults to screen 0..which is the primary....and i wanted it on the secondary..so i just made it 1

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jst:

In Windows, the start menu, task bar, etc. appear on the primary display.

[18:23:18]

jst:

Hmm, maybe if I can find that option and set it in the frontend.

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Wicked:

i have never used mythtv under windows so i really have no idea how it works...and what doesnt work and all that.

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jst:

I know what you're talking about... When I was running Ubuntu on this machine, I set that very option.

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Wicked:

let me see if i can find it in the options menu for you.

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jst:

I think it was under Setup >> Appearance

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jst:

(Not seeing it in the Windows version)

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jst:

Great, thanks. :)

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Wicked:

that sounds right....checking now

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Wicked:

bah. my projectors off..let me fire it up...i just looked through the options and it doesnt show up if there is only 1 active monitor.

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jst:

Heh

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Wicked:

its under setup > appearance

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Wicked:

second page

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jst:

Yup... It's missing from the Windows version.

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jst:

Thanks for looking that up.

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Wicked:

np :)

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Wicked:

are both monitors on and active?

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jst:

Yes.

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Wicked:

maby you can throw that option from the cli....maby its just not in the windows frontend settings.

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Wicked:

i really have no idea though

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jst:

Good idea.

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jst:

Now if I could figure out a way to find the list of command arguments (mythfrontend --help -help --h -h /? etc. don't work)

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Wicked:

also...maby you can try this to see if mythtv is even aware of the monitors...switch the primary monitor to the secondary and start mythtv...see if its even aware of which is primary/secondary

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jst:

mythfrontend -v help works

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jst:

Wait, nevermind.

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

it lists for me

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Wicked:

i see: -display X-server Create GUI on X-server, not localhost

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Wicked:

not sure if thats what ya looking for though..

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Wicked:

hmm. also... i know on linux there is a system variable for the x display....maby you can see if windows has something similar..then create a litle bat script that sets the display variable to the secondary monitor...then starts mythfrontend

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Wicked:

it does

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Wicked:

http://www.cs.usask.ca/~wew036/latex/env.html

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jst:

Ahh, I got it working!

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jst:

mythfrontend --geometry 1920x1200+1920+0

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jst:

Thanks for your help, Wicked.

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Wicked:

ah awesome!

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Wicked:

np :)

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Dagmar:

You can use something like devilspie to make that setting be the norm for mythfrontend

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metalac:

so what's the proper way of adding HVR-2250 to myth? should i be scanning for channels or use schedules direct?

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wagnerrp:

scanning

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct cannot provide sufficient data for digital channels

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metalac:

wagnerrp: and i should get all the channel info by scanning as well, right? stuff like description and such

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wagnerrp:

you will only get the information provided by the broadcaster

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metalac:

and is there a way to tell the 2nd tunner to use the 1st tunners channels? that way i don't have to scan twice?

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wagnerrp:

for broadcast, that will likely include a channel name, which can be used to automatically set an XMLTV ID

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wagnerrp:

for cable, youre likely not going to get anything

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wagnerrp:

and will have to figure out what the channel sare manually

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wagnerrp:

channel lineups are stored on the source

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wagnerrp:

so if both tuners use the same source, you only need to scan once

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metalac:

sounds good

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metalac:

thanks

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Elwell:

UPnP (DLNA) Q – when I get all the metadata correct (in mythfrontend using thetvdb lookup) my saved files go from 'progname_E01S01.avi; say to simply 'progname' — is there a way to extract the season/episode info back to the upnp server? (cos its hard to guess which episode I was up to_

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jst:

Has anyone had problems deleting recordings to where they don't actually delete? This has happened to me twice now. :-X

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jst:

Ahh, this may have something to do with it: http://pastebin.com/d1f28fe31

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cc:

hi! is it possible to delete more recordings at once in mythtv or mythweb? i.e. all episodes of an series

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wagnerrp:

you can select a series in mythweb, and just click all of the 'delete' buttons in rapid succession

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wagnerrp:

it gets queued up as AJAX queries, do you can do multiple without waiting for the screen to refresh

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cc:

yes, but i have over 300 episodes :-/

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wagnerrp:

a few lines of python, using the bindings, can issue those delete calls to the backend

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TauPan:

hiho

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cc:

i try it. thanks for your help wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

cc: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1742045 should do what youre looking for

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TauPan:

I just installed mythtv 0.22–0.9 from debian-multimedia (after using svn some months ago). Now that I got everything running again, live tv (and probably video playback) defaults to two half-screens. When I change the interlace mode to "progressive" everything is ok, but I have to do that by hand every time.

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wagnerrp:

such things are usually do to driver issues with ATI cards

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Dagmar:

Nowsflash: LiveTV is playback, because everything is playback.

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wagnerrp:

s/do/due/

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Dagmar:

Newsflash even

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TauPan:

yes, it's an ati card with proprietary driver

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** Dagmar saves a seat for wagnerrp on the short bus **

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: http://vimeo.com/7809605

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Dagmar:

I *so* wish I could get that in a higher-def form as a test video

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Dagmar:

There's so many things in there to show off how badly playback is happening...

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Dagmar:

...and it still massages the eyeballs

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cc:

@wagnerrp: that looks like the solution, but where to put that script? simple run it in bash?

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wagnerrp:

save it to a file, and run it directly

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wagnerrp:

or open a python shell, and copy the lines in

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cc:

ok, i try it

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wagnerrp:

note that it will only tell you the files its going to delete, not actually delete them

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cc:

yes the comment, thanks for tip :-)

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wagnerrp:

you should run it in that manner first, to make sure it is doing the proper deletes, before uncommenting the line that will actually delete the files

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TauPan:

is there some way I can just disable auto-detection?

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Dagmar:

Auto-detection of what

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TauPan:

of progressive or interlaced scanning

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Dagmar:

Where's it supposedly doing that?

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TauPan:

when I go to the menu "Video Scan" in playback, the checkbox is to "detect" (in german)

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Dagmar:

No idea what menu you're talking about

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TauPan:

key's 'm' in live-tv playback

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cc:

@wagnerrp: the script brings me an "SyntaxError: invalid syntax" on the rec.title line... is there a special format for the title? i change it correctly with case sensitiv

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Dagmar:

Sounds to me like you've gone and set up some playback profile which is failing utterly

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Dagmar:

LIke, if the video was recorded properly, it indicates whether or not it's interlaced or progressive content

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Dagmar:

There is nothing to detect.

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TauPan:

I record from my analog tv card.

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TauPan:

with mythtv

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Dagmar:

So you've got interlaced content and your deinterlacer choice is failing horribly

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TauPan:

ok, so what do I do?

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Dagmar:

Look into playback profiles, probably delete them all, or make one that makes some sense

[20:02:29]

Dagmar:

Preferably one that does not rely on the functionality (or lack thereof) of the ATI video driver to do deinterlacing.

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Dagmar:

The ones that are in there by default, like CPU+ and so forth, are meant to be suggestions that most of the time work

[20:03:14]

Dagmar:

They are generally suboptimal for everyone

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Dagmar:

s/generally/equally/;

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TauPan:

ah... typical problem...I should have known... if I use a gl renderer, it works... Xv is no good with the fglrx driver.

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TauPan:

Dagmar: thanks for your help!

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Dagmar:

Yes, the ATI driver is full of broken

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TauPan:

indeed

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TauPan:

I'm thinking of switching to the open source drivers soon, it looks like they should support all I need by now.

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cc:

@wagnerrp: i found the problem. there was a missing : after the if statement in the script

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TauPan:

is it possible to use a different renderer for fullscreen and a resized window?

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beata:

anyone know why im getting this error on jamu.py svn a couple days ago

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beata:

File "./jamu.py", line 6399, in processMythTvMetaData

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beata:

if not len(self.config['localpaths']['posters']):

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beata:

KeyError: 'posters'

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iamlindoro:

TVDB has been down for days

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beata:

works here

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RDV_Linux:

beata: Jamu has not been changed in trunk for many weeks, Check the Jamu version you using with ./jamu -v

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iamlindoro:

API has been down for like five days

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iamlindoro:

it may have come back online today, but that was not a couple days ago

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beata:

was just looking at the www site

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beata:

got ya

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iamlindoro:

the site is not the same as the API

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beata:

understandale

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wagnerrp:

cc: yeah, i always seem to be leaving those off

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: thats all CG?

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cc:

@wagnerrp: the script selects the right episodes, but something is wrong with the delete when i uncomment it

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cc:

Traceback (most recent call last):

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cc:

File "./delete.python", line 15, in <module>

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cc:

be.deleteRecording(rec)

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cc:

File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythTV.py", line 364, in deleteRecording

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cc:

return self.backendCommand(BACKEND_SEP.join([command,program.toString()]))

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cc:

File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythTV.py", line 968, in toString

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cc:

string += BACKEND_SEP + locale.format("%0.6f" %self.stars)

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cc:

TypeError: format() takes at least 2 arguments (1 given)

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wagnerrp:

heh... yeah.... youre runing a old version of the bindings

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TauPan:

Ah, I think I found a combination that works for me, now.

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wagnerrp:

that last '%' is supposed to be a ','

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wagnerrp:

grab a new copy off http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . dings/python

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wagnerrp:

then just 'python setup.py install'

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cc:

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22797

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wagnerrp:

my fault on that one

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cc:

ah ok

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cc:

File "./delete.python", line 15

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cc:

be.deleteRecording(rec)

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cc:

^

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cc:

IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level

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cc:

after patching the /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythTV.py script

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wagnerrp:

python code structure is based off intents, that line must be indented to the same column as the line above it

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cc:

oh sorry, i am new in python :-/

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wagnerrp:

so in that for loop, the first line after the start of the loop must be indented past where the for loop is

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wagnerrp:

and each subsequent line in that loop must be at the same indent

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Dagmar:

Welcome to Fortran-2010

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wagnerrp:

kind of... fortran just had specific meaning for the first seven characters

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wagnerrp:

and that hasnt been required since f90

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cc:

UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6' in position 70: ordinal not in range(128)

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wagnerrp:

yep... unicode... you have fun with that

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cc:

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Dagmar:

Suuuure there isn't

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wagnerrp:

try item five in http://mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#This_stupid_thing_does_not_work.21

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cc:

Titel: <<King of Queens (2009-07–16 15:06:32)>> is the output of my added print 'Titel: <<%s>>' % (rec)

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Dagmar:

rofl

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Dagmar:

I <3 that URL

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cc:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

i may need to put an '.encode("utf-8")' into that '.toString()' function

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wagnerrp:

basically, utf and python is a messy prospect at best

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: that looks too damn good to be computer generated

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wagnerrp:

of course he did screw up at 8m in, the blades are spinning backwards

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: are you starting up a schema version for NetVision?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, think I'm at 1004 right now

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iamlindoro:

so I guess that's "yes" :)

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wagnerrp:

ok, im just tweaking the various classes so you basically cannot use anything canned in the bindings without checking schema version

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wagnerrp:

what settings value is that?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar, when I download that mp4 file and play it in mplayer, it says it is in 1280x720 h264/aac, isn't that high enough?

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Captain_Murdoch:

~200 MegaBytes

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, NetvisionDBSchemaVer

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** sphery wonders if Netvision has 20/20 **

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sphery:

What's up with 4 out of 5 *buntu users getting "the file for this recording cannot be found"

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** skd5aner must be the 1/5 that doesn't **

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skd5aner:

unless my tuner goes whacky, but that's rare anymore

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sphery:

heh, that's good to hear, at least

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sphery:

are you on 9.10?

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kc:

sphery, I saw an e-mail that one of the mythbuntu maintainers opened a new ticket in myth for that segfault issue I had. 7830 is a dupe of 7779

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sphery:

kc: thanks... I close the dup

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cc:

@wagnerrp: thank you very much for your help, i will try the utf8 thing tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

what line and file was that error in?

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cc:

ciao

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wagnerrp:

was it when trying to print the title/subtitle? or was it in toString()?

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cc:

in the be.deleteRecording(rec)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that was in toString

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wagnerrp:

something *i* need to fix

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cal_:

are there more themes anywhere for mythtv .22 yet, other than the default ones?

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wagnerrp:

theres blue-abstract, there are unfinished ports of metallurgy and mepo, and then there are several other unfinished and unreleased themes

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wagnerrp:

expect several more in by the end of the month

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cal_:

yeah, from the contest

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cal_:

maybe I will just wait till then

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cal_:

where are the ones you mentioned?

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wagnerrp:

blue-abstract has a path on the wiki, the other two ive seen show up in the mailing list

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cal_:

ok

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, there /is/ a way to force Myth to run with wrong schema versions without any code changes/recompiling/... I want to make it work like you said it works, but someone added the code to allow people to force it to work with wrong schema version shortly after I added code to prevent that.

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sphery:

Oh, and I won't tell how to do so (as it's better if no one knows :)

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wagnerrp:

override it with '-O <whatever>'?

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cal_:

blue abstract looks pretty sweet wagner

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wagnerrp:

tell $blue_abstract_author

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cal_:

whats your theme of choice right now? ;)

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Polydwarf:

I've got a sound card question that's probably been asked/solved before, but my googlefu is weak tonight... I'm running straight ubuntu 9.10 (not mythbuntu) with myth installed via apt... mythfrontend just loves to lock the sound card (for instance, if i'm running mplayer <mp3 file>, as soon as I start mythfrontend, mplayer essentially pauses; huludesktop also will not play audio if mythfrontend is running). Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

right now, im just using graphite (16:9) on one tv, mythcenter (4:3) on the other

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wagnerrp:

i actually havent been using my frontends directly much in the last couple months, besides commercial cutting

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wagnerrp:

Polydwarf: thats because huludesktop is designed for ubuntu, which uses pulseaudio

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no, not exactly (but it does relate to a setting)

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wagnerrp:

however pulseaudio gets disabled whenever mythfrontend is running

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sphery:

basically there's a setting that you can use to tell myth you're smarter than it is

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wagnerrp:

heh

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sphery:

though if you were smarter than Myth, you'd know to never /ever/ use that setting :)

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cal_:

wagnerrp: not using the front ends? you just play your recordings with mplayer or what? lol

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wagnerrp:

well technically, all you have to do with the bindings is change one number in one file

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Polydwarf:

hulu's just an example.. myth doesn't play nicely with mplayer and the rest. I'm pretty much an idiot when it comes to pulse; ;am I looking at a source build with some options?

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wagnerrp:

cal_: no, on windows with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7858

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wagnerrp:

Polydwarf: mythtv and pulseaudio dont play nice

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cal_:

wagnerrp said windows

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Polydwarf:

hmm.. I'm going to be a sad panda if I have to switch distros. :(

[22:00:15]

anenigma_:

Polydwarf: all your regular ubuntu packages use pulseaudio. myth stops/disables pulseaudio when it starts. hence all your music stops

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wagnerrp:

so until mythtv gets proper (stable) pulseaudio support, or pulseaudio gets proper (not hackish) alsa emulation, external programs are going to suffer

[22:01:09]

Polydwarf:

hrm. I see... so, given that ubuntu is apparently a bad choice for distro, what's a better one?

[22:01:12]

sphery:

all your music are belong to us

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Polydwarf:

lol

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu/mythbuntu work just fine if youre using mythtv

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wagnerrp:

its only a problem if you try to call external programs

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wagnerrp:

specifically, external programs designed to use pulse for output

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to using alsa

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Polydwarf:

right; but using external programs is now a household requirement. :) Hulu is one example. :)

[22:03:12]

Polydwarf:

maybe I'll bite the bullet and try fedora if it doesn't use pulse

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wagnerrp:

so iamlindoro, how can you __know__ the cable companies wont start using AACS?

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** iamlindoro groans **

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iamlindoro:

That guy

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sphery:

How can you handle watching Hulu's poor-quality, jumpy, jerky video (due to the fact that it's built around Adobe Trash) when you're used to MythTV and all it's high-quality, smooth, easy-to-control, skips-commercials-automatically, allows-timestretch, doesn't-play-a-new-commercial-every-time-you-rewind-to-catch-what-they-just-mumb led, ... glory???

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sphery:

Polydwarf: default Fedora uses Pulse, too

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Polydwarf:

frankly, hulu has shows that aren't shown on network. Content is king and all that.

[22:05:30]

Polydwarf:

ugh.. that makes me sad, sphery. :(

[22:05:31]

clever:

sphery: is it posible to watch hulu without mythbrowser?

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wagnerrp:

Polydwarf: are you saying you dont have a four year backlog of recordings?

[22:05:53]

Polydwarf:

it's only 2.5 years of backlog ;)

[22:06:01]

Polydwarf:

I know, I'm not doing it right.

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wagnerrp:

clever: not (legally) without a partnership with Hulu

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sphery:

clever: actually, you can--just use Firefox or Konq or ...

[22:06:26]

clever:

wagnerrp: ah, i was looking at ripping the .flv out but it refused to even play, so i had no example to go by

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sphery:

:D

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clever:

sphery: without using flash

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sphery:

not legally

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wagnerrp:

thats because there is no .flv

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clever:

sphery: even just downloading the .flv and playing it in mplayer makes it use 1% the cpu power it normaly did

[22:06:56]

wagnerrp:

its streamed, encrypted, and only cached in memory rather than being written to disk

[22:07:01]

wagnerrp:

theres nothing to rip out

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

i generaly see the raw .flv url right in the html

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sphery:

all of the "grab the video stream from <insert site>" stuff is in violation of ToS and in some cases may be in violation of laws

[22:07:17]

clever:

or in my proxy logs

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wagnerrp:

see all the discussions about boxee and rtmpe

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sphery:

In the US, at least, it /is/ a violation of copyright law to grab those

[22:07:32]

Polydwarf:

that, sphery, and it tends to break at the drop of a hat.

[22:07:44]

clever:

sphery: some of the time, its as simple as viewing the source and doing cut/paste on the right part

[22:07:46]

sphery:

Polydwarf: that, too

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clever:

right to wget

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clever:

is that also illegal?

[22:08:20]

wagnerrp:

well its at least a violation of TOS

[22:08:32]

sphery:

well, you haven't been given a license to copy it to hard disk, so...

[22:08:38]

clever:

ah

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iamlindoro:

If only someone would write a plugin that would allow for viewing these kinds of sites within their terms of service

[22:08:57]

iamlindoro:

alas

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Polydwarf:

last I knew, it was a legal grey area; the providers don't want you doing it, but they also essentially hand it to you on a silver platter (in the case of the easy-wget-method)

[22:09:03]

clever:

in my case, flash makes firefox unstable and sucks so much power that the framerates suck

[22:09:06]

sphery:

might be able to argue that if you kept it in a pipeline and it never touched the drive... but you'd have to stump up your own legal fund to make that argument :)

[22:09:10]

wagnerrp:

s/write/release/...

[22:09:15]

wagnerrp:

:P

[22:09:17]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah yeah, working on it

[22:09:21]

clever:

iamlindoro: i remember there being a youtube plugin which made heavy use of the rss feeds for canned searches

[22:09:24]

clever:

for mythtv

[22:09:47]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, If I thought it wouldn't be a fulltime job to handle support requests if I released now, I would

[22:10:22]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: now that the official format is out, do you want the output from those grabbers to be fully processed? or would a minidom object be sufficient?

[22:10:25]

clever:

sphery: yeah, i could easily throw the flv url directly at mplayer, then it would only risk touching swap

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clever:

sphery: but i was a baaad boy, wget ....{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}.., ripped the entire set of videos in one batch:P

[22:10:49]

sphery:

clever: agreed about Flash/Firefox. I don't enable Flash or Java in Firefox (and set it up so it doesn't ask me to enable them) and then I have a ~/.mozilla/home-plugins which has its own .mozilla dir with the plugins installed. Then, when I have to use Flash for something, I start up with: export HOME=${HOME}/.mozilla/home-plugins && firefox -no-remote

[22:11:00]

anenigma_:

Polydwarf: have you tried disabling pulseaudio in ubuntu? might be easier than switching distros. i don't have an ubuntu install handy, but apparently it's via system->preferences->sound and then selecting alsa

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clever:

sphery: i just disable flash in the addons menu

[22:11:20]

sphery:

personally, I can't wait until Hulu goes subscription only

[22:11:21]

wagnerrp:

anenigma_: mythtv automatically disabled pulseaudio, and thats the problem

[22:11:38]

wagnerrp:

apparently huludesktop relies on pulseaudio to output audio

[22:11:41]

anenigma_:

wagnerrp: yes, i meant if he disables it completely, and lets everything run through alsa

[22:11:42]

clever:

sphery: also, you dont need export there, just 'HOME=${HOME}/.mozilla/home-plugins firefox -no-remote'

[22:11:55]

iamlindoro:

clever, You have been around way, way too long not to know better about our channel rules. So consider this your one and only warning, ever, about violating terms of service/illegitimate aqcuisition of videos

[22:11:58]

clever:

sphery: that export will basicaly fry the shell and make it unusable for the old home

[22:11:58]

anenigma_:

that is, assuming hulu and whatever else also works with regular alsa

[22:12:15]

sphery:

clever: yeah, never knew whether any other processes would be started, so I figured it's just as easy

[22:12:25]

sphery:

done in a subshell, it doesn't even affect my term :)

[22:12:29]

Polydwarf:

anenigma, no I haven't; I'll give it a shot, though. Thanks for the idea (I honestly wouldn't have thought that you could disable it in the first place)

[22:12:36]

clever:

sphery: ah

[22:12:59]

sphery:

I may try it your way to see if I notice issues

[22:13:12]

sphery:

(after all, learning is always worth the time :)

[22:13:37]

clever:

if you give env variables as NAME=data program, then it will effect only that program

[22:13:39]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Let me get back to you when I update jamu and mirobridge to use the new bindings. I have one more wiki page to create and then will be doing the bindings work. I may be able to give you a better reply at that point.

[22:13:41]

sphery:

clever: oh, and please no confessions in here or I may have to sic the channel police on you :)

[22:14:01]

clever:

sphery: i know, and lets just say it was all free videos

[22:14:02]

wagnerrp:

ok, minidom it is for now

[22:14:08]

wagnerrp:

let me know if you change your mind

[22:14:41]

sphery:

clever: still not licensed to own the videos... basically we don't want to know

[22:15:07]

wagnerrp:

clever: assuming youre using bash

[22:15:17]

clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, i always use bash

[22:15:55]

clever:

if the system isnt bash by default, then i manualy run bash

[22:19:09]

anenigma_:

whenever i get a new shell (ie at a new job) my first step is always copy over my .bashrc and my .vimrc files

[22:20:09]

clever:

anenigma_: yeah, i often copy a few lines of my bashrc over to new installs

[22:20:16]

clever:

vimrc is more of a black box

[22:20:24]

clever:

still dont have it working the same everywhere

[22:20:32]

clever:

each one indents differently

[22:20:46]

clever:

i mainly fix it by sharing $HOME via nfs to every box in the house

[22:20:56]

anenigma_:

that's easy at home, not so easy at work though :)

[22:21:10]

clever:

yeah

[22:21:40]

clever:

also not easy on a personal laptop at hotel

[22:21:44]

clever:

nfs doesnt like dialup :P

[22:22:07]

clever:

and that mount point is part of PATH, so that then cripples the entire box

[22:22:11]

wagnerrp:

huh... minidom isnt like that xml example on the wiki

[22:22:26]

wagnerrp:

complaining about the '=' in the youtube URL

[22:22:38]

wagnerrp:

s/isnt/doesnt/

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beata:

anyway to use mythweb video w/out storage groups? I cant use sg yet, becase then i cant play them with mplayer

[22:26:44]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, equals doesn't bother the Qt XML parser, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's right/ok either

[22:27:03]

iamlindoro:

beata, .22 MythWeb only supports non-SG. Trunk only supports SG.

[22:27:27]

beata:

hm so i could revert mythweb

[22:27:33]

iamlindoro:

not without reverting all of Myth

[22:27:34]

wagnerrp:

are you running trunk?

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beata:

yea

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beata:

hmm wonder when mplayer is gona work in trunk for sg, what is the ticket for that. I was looking for it but could not find it

[22:30:53]

iamlindoro:

there is none

[22:30:56]

iamlindoro:

since it's not a bug

[22:31:02]

iamlindoro:

just a feature people want that's not implemented

[22:31:17]

iamlindoro:

and even when ISOs work in SG, it's quite likely external players won't

[22:31:31]

sphery:

Most annoying change from T-bird 2.x -> 3.x: when a new message comes in to a thread and your folder is in thread view sorted by date, the whole thread is moved to the most current side (top/bottom). That means for all the broken threads on -users, I read some random response from the middle before reading the real thread.

[22:31:46]

beata:

iamlindoro hmmm

[22:31:56]

wagnerrp:

speaking of which, #7875 should be able to handle if you can pass the URI to the command line

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wagnerrp:

although it currently wont do anything for VIDEO_TS folders

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wesw02:

I know this isn't really the topic for the channel, but there doesn't seem to be much going on in here. I'm looking for an IR remote/receiver with a small external _reciever_ (similar to IR Blaster size, but a reciever) so it isn't very noticable. Does anyone have a suggestion?

[22:39:13]

wesw02:

Most of the ones I've found are rather large

[22:39:21]

wagnerrp:

wesw02: the one that comes with the hauppauge cards is not much larger

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anenigma_:

beata: my solution is a wrapper script. mount your sg on whatever the local box is, and then some regex can pull out a filename, and sg, and do appropriate translations

[22:39:51]

anenigma_:

it's nasty, but it works

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wagnerrp:

http://www.terrington.id.au/linux/my-set-top- . . . pauge-ir.jpg

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wesw02:

I actually have one of those, however the tuner card is in my backend in the basement

[22:40:30]

wesw02:

can I buy a usb device to use it without the card?

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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wagnerrp:

do you have an existing ir reciver?

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anenigma_:

i wonder if you can extend those cables. as in, how long can you make the hauppauge cable before the stuff stops working

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wagnerrp:

you could cut a notch out of a 3.5" bay cover, or somewhere else on the front of your case

[22:41:35]

wagnerrp:

and mount your receiver behind it

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beata:

anenigma_ is it online somwhere?

[22:41:57]

wesw02:

I have one, but I broke the ir sensor it trying to unsolder it from the circuit

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[R]:

why am i not surprised?

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[R]:

Hmm, no-one popped up yet to banish this discussion to /dev/null for discussing DRM and how it could **theoretically** be circumvented ?

[22:42:21]

wagnerrp:

[R]: no, theyve poped up several times

[22:42:28]

wesw02:

wagnerrp that's not a bad option

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[R]:

i havent seen any yet...but i still have 100 messages

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wagnerrp:

people dont take a hint

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anenigma_:

beata: my script i can pastebin, one tic

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beata:

thx

[22:52:33]

anenigma_:

beata: http://pastebin.org/72328

[22:52:40]

anenigma_:

if you know perl, it's relatively straightforward

[22:53:35]

beata:

not a huge fan, but i can muddle through. where do you put the script?

[22:54:05]

beata:

ah

[22:54:07]

beata:

the player

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beata:

good idea btw

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anenigma_:

regex is my hammer, i use it to fix/break everything

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wagnerrp:

anyone who calls regexs 'straightforward' should be slapped

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wagnerrp:

:)

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anenigma_:

well .. the perl part is straightforward. the regex is slightly more complex :P

[22:55:21]

beata:

yea

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beata:

regex can hurt my head

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[R]:

i once learned the theory behind regexes

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[R]:

i wanted to gouge my eyes out

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[R]:

which is probably why i dropped out of my compilers class

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puff:

Hi, I need a little help tweaking my mythtv config.

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puff:

I was using this with a TV via S-video out, but we replaced that TV with an HD and we need to get HD out hardware.

[22:58:12]

puff:

Meanwhile, I'd like to just watch some stuff on an LCD monitor, but X goes blank after mythtv starts up,probably switching on s-video out.

[22:58:41]

[R]:

did you set myth to switch video modes?

[22:58:44]

[R]:

disable that

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puff:

[R]: How do I do that iwth the screen blank? :-)

[23:00:08]

puff:

Is there a way I can do that from a terminal console?

[23:00:15]

puff:

Er, console terminal.

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[R]:

you can edit the database

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[R]:

although beats me if i know what all the things you need to change

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mattjackets:

anyone know why mythmusic 0.22 wouldn't be reading id3v1 tags? (ubuntu 9.10, some files only have id3v1 tags)

[23:02:43]

r0ut3:

Is there any way to record cable Digital/HD chanles on a MythTV/Linux pc?

[23:02:59]

mattjackets:

(looks like the ubuntu package may be from fixes r22594)

[23:03:36]

mattjackets:

r0ut3: if your HD box has a firewire port, it may be possible

[23:04:27]

r0ut3:

There aren't any tuner cards that I can get for my computer?

[23:05:51]

Polydwarf:

r0ut3, you can also look at getting a hauppauge hdpvr

[23:06:06]

wagnerrp:

r0ut3: check on silicondust.com, they have channel lineups searchable by zip code of what you can expect to get unencrypted over digital cable

[23:06:16]

Polydwarf:

if you're talking about just over-the-air atsc signal, there are plenty of cards/usb sticks to do it

[23:06:40]

wagnerrp:

anything encrypted, and youre going to have to use analog capture, and for HD your only option is an HDPVR

[23:07:07]

mattjackets:

some providers may broadcast some channels in the clear via QAM as well (over cable)

[23:09:37]

r0ut3:

Bummer, so there is nothing like this for linux yet? http://www.cetoncorp.com/products.php

[23:10:20]

wagnerrp:

s/yet/ever/

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r0ut3:

Why never?

[23:10:50]

wagnerrp:

cablecard requires that the content remain encrypted from the capturecard all the way to the display device

[23:11:00]

wagnerrp:

its part of the licensing agreement

[23:11:09]

wagnerrp:

such a thing can never happen in open source software

[23:11:20]

wagnerrp:

DRM and open source are mutually exclusive

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r0ut3:

Bummer guess I have to look at windows media center. Thanks for the input everyone!

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clever:

wagnerrp: and no way to replay that encrypted stuff to a display device layeter?

[23:17:41]

puff:

clever: Some cable boxes have firewire out, I plan to look into that.

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clever:

puff: yeah, i have firewire on my HD box, but so far i havent gotten a single channel out

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[R]:

firewire will get you nothing, or at the most locals

[23:18:02]

clever:

just channel changing

[23:18:05]

puff:

clever: In a nutshell, premium cable content is transmitted in encrypted form, to decrypt it you need the key, the key is in the cable box.

[23:18:17]

[R]:

puff: s/premium/99%/

[23:18:25]

clever:

puff: yeah, but shouldnt a cablecard also have the key, if your cableco offers it?

[23:18:43]

clever:

[R]: i cant even get the tv guide channel or the other local channels for the area

[23:18:45]

puff:

[R]: "premium" meaning "not the channels they're forced by law to provide in open format".

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[R]:

clever: why would you get the tv guide channel? tahts kind pointless

[23:18:57]

puff:

"required" meaning "when the law is actually enforced."

[23:19:13]

clever:

[R]: its one of the most simple channels that you would have no reason to 5c encrypt

[23:19:15]

[R]:

clever: to use a cablecard... you need a tuner capable of using it... and there are no linux compabile tuners

[23:19:16]

puff:

clever: A cable card offered by the cable company? I hadn't heard of that option.

[23:19:24]

lucas007:

What is the best capture card to use with MythTV? anyone?

[23:19:28]

[R]:

clever: they have no reason to 5c anything... that doenst stop them

[23:19:37]

puff:

lucas007: Friends speak highly of the HD Home Run.

[23:19:42]

[R]:

lucas007: depends on what you are capturing

[23:19:58]

puff:

lucas007: It's basically a network appliance, captures and serves the video over ethernet.

[23:20:05]

lucas007:

Dishnetwork.

[23:20:10]

clever:

[R]: i'll have to check the more random channels and verify the local ones

[23:20:16]

[R]:

do you wnt to capture sd or hd from it?

[23:20:28]

lucas007:

sorry hd.

[23:20:36]

[R]:

the only way to capture hd from a box is with an hdpvr

[23:20:38]

Polydwarf:

I've heard good things about hdhomerun too, but it seems kind of expensive, compared to usb sticks/etc

[23:20:58]

[R]:

Polydwarf: its dual tuner and you dont ahve to screw around with stupid drivers

[23:21:12]

lucas007:

k thanks hdpvr..

[23:21:24]

puff:

[R]: Also easier on your system load, IRRC.

[23:21:25]

[R]:

but last i heard there was still none to be found

[23:21:26]

[R]:

ANYWHERE

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Polydwarf:

my hauppauge usb stick worked out of the box in ubuntu, no driver fiddling needed..?

[23:21:56]

clever:

Polydwarf: the ubuntu admins fiddled with it for you, and made the defaults sane

[23:22:12]

clever:

but they havent done that for every card

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[R]:

puff: capturing a digital stream isn't exactly the most processor intensive action one can do

[23:22:20]

Polydwarf:

'k, different experience based on distro, then :)

[23:22:26]

clever:

[R]: but usb itself might be

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puff:

clever: Anyway, the general point is, you need the key to decrypt, so unless you break the law or have more money than God and Donald Trump in order to acquire the cable company, you need to use their device with the key built in, and then capture off that device's output.

[23:22:46]

clever:

puff: yeah

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clever:

ive also noticed that the on demand channels are on clear QAM

[23:23:21]

puff:

Really? Cool.

[23:23:31]

clever:

and i'm not even paying for on demand

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clever:

i'm spying on the neighors:P

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[R]:

lol

[23:23:45]

puff:

I'd had thoughts about having my mythtv record the on-demand stuff (and I *am* paying for it :-).

[23:23:58]

clever:

with my cable co, its 93.1 thru 93.10

[23:23:59]

[R]:

puff: well thats pretty tricky

[23:24:18]

puff:

[R]: Dang, I was afraid you'd say that.

[23:24:30]

clever:

with a single capture card, i could rip 10 oe

[23:24:33]

clever:

once

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[R]:

i thought myth had a limit of like 4 or something

[23:25:10]

clever:

[R]: its a card limit, and its 1 multiplex per tuner

[23:25:19]

clever:

the on demand is 10 feeds of 480i

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[R]:

no... when setting up the multirec

[23:25:26]

clever:

so it fits in a single multiplex it seems

[23:25:30]

[R]:

i thought there was a limit of like 4

[23:25:30]

clever:

ah

[23:25:36]

clever:

myth probly wont like on demand anyways

[23:25:41]

[R]:

like?

[23:25:41]

clever:

id just capture that with an external tool

[23:25:44]

puff:

Anybody have suggestions re: swithcing back to output to the LCD screen?

[23:25:55]

clever:

the time the show comes on at is under your control

[23:26:03]

clever:

no schedules to put a rule on

[23:26:11]

[R]:

so? you can watch livetv

[23:26:15]

[R]:

or set up a custom schedule

[23:26:17]

puff:

I despise on-demand.

[23:26:32]

clever:

[R]: you would have to work out how long to make the custom schedule ahead of time

[23:26:35]

puff:

Comcast's implementation, that is. It is truly lame.

[23:26:39]

clever:

easyer to just punch in a cli command to record

[23:26:42]

clever:

and ctrl+c at the end

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[R]:

clever: well if you know what you are gonna watch...

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[R]:

puff: pretty sure everyone's is

[23:26:57]

clever:

still more work id think

[23:27:42]

** puff wishes the DRMdiots would just get over it and switch to open standards, already. **

[23:27:59]

puff:

Or at the very least that they'd make it easier for open devices to use their services legally.

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dayer4b:

hello

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[R]:

puff: it'll never happen

[23:28:19]

dayer4b:

i am lacking much knowledge

[23:28:25]

dayer4b:

i am a newbie

[23:28:27]

dayer4b:

and i need help

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[R]:

dayer4b: well step one is to tell us your problem instsed of saying "i need help"

[23:29:03]

dayer4b:

does anybody know anything about installing the DViCO FusionHDTV7 on Fedora 10?

[23:29:37]

clever:

puff: if an open source device can decode the file, then i can cut&paste the code and convert it to mp3

[23:29:37]

[R]:

i'm sure google does

[23:30:01]

clever:

puff: enless it incoperates a black box of magic, like a cable card or SIM card

[23:30:04]

puff:

clever: See, this is why DRM is fundamentally stupid.

[23:30:04]

dayer4b:

i've followed the directions (correctly, i think) on this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DViCO_FusionHDTV7_Dual_Express

[23:30:14]

clever:

something that cant be duplicated but needs to exist for all playback

[23:30:20]

dayer4b:

but mythtv doesn't see the card

[23:30:20]

puff:

clever: If the user can perceive the information, then the user can record the information.

[23:30:25]

puff:

clever: Everything else is just hand-waving.

[23:30:30]

dayer4b:

i don't think the card's installed correctly

[23:30:36]

clever:

puff: you know how a SIM card works?

[23:30:48]

[R]:

dayer4b: if you dont know how to put a card in your computer...

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clever:

puff: the cell tower sends you a block of random data, the SIM card encrypts it with a key you cant read, and you return the new 'random garbage'

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puff:

clever: If it were not (inappropriately, IMHO) illegal, blowing right through DRM would be a solved propblem. Instead, in order to not break laws, I have to deal with their crap.

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dayer4b:

there doesn't seem to be anything at /dev/video0

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clever:

puff: the remote end knows the key, and can verify the math your SIM card did

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clever:

and without the SIM card you cant negotiate the session

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[R]:

dayer4b: who said there was going to be a /dev/video0?

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puff:

clever: Sounds like a standard zero-knowledge-transfer authentication.

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clever:

puff: you could have a private key that you 'own' which you must have to decrypt the music files, then you have to manualy shuffle the card between the mp3 player and computers

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lucas007:

thanks for the input puff,clever and ...

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clever:

only the device with the card can play the files

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clever:

but you still have the problem of blocking capture of the output

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puff:

God, I hate it when people use DIVs to fake frames.

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clever:

.innerHTML on it?

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puff:

clever: Well that's my point, ultimately you cannot share knowledge and not share it.

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clever:

puff: the only thing i can think of, is to include the decoding and DAC in that chip

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puff:

clever: It's self-contradicting. All of these schemes founder on that basic fact.

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clever:

so it outputs raw analog signals

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RDV_Linux:

beata: The issue you reported with jamu is a bug. You have turned on a seldom used option in your jamu.conf file. You can stop this jamu abort by commenting out the folderart' option or setting the value to 'False'. This functionality has been made redundant by MythVideo. This code will be removed for the 0.23 release.

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puff:

clever: Even then, the analog signals can be captured.

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clever:

puff: yeah, but if i take your totaly closed source mp3 player, i can just hook it to 'line in' on my pc and do the same thing

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puff:

clever: The legal consequences (which I believe to be unconstitutional, but...) are what stops most people from just rolling over this crap.

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clever:

analog capture cant be stopped as easily, but comes at the cost of quality

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clever:

most of this is to stop you from getting a clean digital copy

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puff:

Anybody know *anything* about mythtv command line interface?

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[R]:

puff: what command line interface

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clever:

puff: telnet?

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puff:

[R]: Shell commands.

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puff:

non-X.

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[R]:

puff: huh?

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clever:

puff: myth cant really be configured from cli

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clever:

mythweb is about the closest you can get, and it cant do everything

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puff:

My basic problem is that it boots up, runs mythtv, then switches to S-video out mode. I no longer have an s-video out device.

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clever:

thats not myth

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clever:

thats Xorg problems

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puff:

Is there some way to interrupt the mythtv startup so it odesn't go into s-video out?

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Dagmar:

It's not Myth. It's how you've set up your video card.

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[R]:

clever: btw... it looks like i get the tv guide channel on unencrypted qam

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iamlindoro:

puff, Myth doesn't have any control of which video output is used

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puff:

To rephrase... it boots up, displays the mythtv splash/loading screen, then goes blank.

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clever:

[R]: mine is NTSC and multicast in 480i digital (encrypted)

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iamlindoro:

MythTV splash, or *mythbuntu* splash?

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iamlindoro:

ie the progress bar, or *actual* MythTV?

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[R]:

mythbuntu doesnt have a progress bar

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iamlindoro:

[R], The boot process does

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puff:

Ah,mythbuntu. Okay.

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[R]:

iamlindoro: not in 9.10

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iamlindoro:

puff, So which screen are you seeing? The boot process, or do you actually see Myth proper start and then it blanks out?

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puff:

I see the mythbuntu splash screen.

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iamlindoro:

Then as Dagmar and I mentioned, it's an X configuration issue

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iamlindoro:

puff, nVidia drivers?

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puff:

Yup.

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iamlindoro:

puff, if so, ssh in and do the following

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puff:

I'm in.

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iamlindoro:

cd /etc/X11/

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iamlindoro:

sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup

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iamlindoro:

make sure only the DVI or HDMI is plugged in, then

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iamlindoro:

sudo nvidia-xconfig

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puff:

Okay.

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iamlindoro:

then reboot

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puff:

Says "WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuraoitn file.

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iamlindoro:

that's fine, it should write a "fresh" one

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clever:

yeah, you hid the file

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puff:

"sh: pkg-config not found\nNew X configuraiton file written to /etc/X11/xorg.conf"

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iamlindoro:

puff, which if you ls you shoudl now see

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puff:

Cool.

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puff:

Yay, it appeared to reboot twice, the second time it didn't shut off the LCD screen.

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puff:

Muchos grassyass.

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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puff:

I feel like there's some doc, somewhere, that I have missed reading. Is there a book or something that people recommend?

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iamlindoro:

The wiki and the official docs are the best and most accurate resource

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[R]:

3.2gb for 31 minutes

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[R]:

i didn't think QAM had that high of a bitrate

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iamlindoro:

yep, and that's not even max

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[R]:

25.8mbits

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[R]:

wow

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puff:

Hm, there's no audio on the headphone jack.

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[R]:

whats full bitrate over ATSC?

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iamlindoro:

Well, 3.2 for 30 Minutes isn't 25.8 Mbit

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iamlindoro:

not even close

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[R]:

did i do the math right?

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[R]:

not right*

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

3.2 is about 13–14

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[R]:

3388598668 * 8

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[R]:

no?

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[R]:

oh wait... i forgot to figure in the time

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[R]:

14.5

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[R]:

that's better

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[R]:

13.8...

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