Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, January 16th, 2010, 00:01 AST

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Gumby:

hi all. Im trying to compile the latest fixes in ubuntu 9.10 and during configure I get "Error! QtWebkit headers not found" I cant seem to find what package(s) to install to fix this. Anyone have any suggestions?

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peacekeeper:

Well sounds like removing libfaad is ok for me

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Dagmar:

Yep

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peacekeeper:

So I will try it in the morning

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peacekeeper:

might be a long day... hehe

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Dagmar:

I *did* test playback last night of the HD-PVR recordings, no faad linked into my build

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peacekeeper:

cool

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peacekeeper:

thank you all for your help!

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Dagmar:

I have no itunes b.s. here so the odds are I'd never have noticed that I lost AAC support

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peacekeeper:

I dont have itunes, so I am on the same boat

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peacekeeper:

thank you all again...

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Tanthrix:

So, is there supposed to be a slight delay now in myth before the selection highlight appears?

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wagnerrp:

what selection?

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Tanthrix:

(IE, when you switch to a new menu screen, there is now a half second delay before the highlight appears. You can, however, go up or down options and see the logo change on the left)

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wagnerrp:

cant say ive noticed that

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Tanthrix:

And it's only going into a new menu...going back it's just like I'm used to – instant.

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wagnerrp:

then youre probably getting some lack-of-caching issues

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wagnerrp:

the first time in, it has to render a bunch of images

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wagnerrp:

every subsequent times in, it just pulls one off the hard drive

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wagnerrp:

or if sufficiently recent, out of memory

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Tanthrix:

It still does it, even if I go back out and then back in.

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Tanthrix:

It seems almost deliberate..and it does it precisely after the fade in completes. Still does it in qt mode though as well.

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Tanthrix:

(And this is mythcenter widescreen if that makes a difference)

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DjMadness:

I was wondering, does mythvideo handle vcd's ? (the internal player)

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't

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DjMadness:

ah i see... well aint really a well used format anymore anyways...

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Tanthrix:

Is there a quick and easy way to wipe all recordings?

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wagnerrp:

a quick script using the perl/python bindings could do so

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wagnerrp:

or you can just flush the necessary tables and delete the files

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Tanthrix:

Think I'll do that, thanks.

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DjMadness:

would'nt truncate be better or ? (its what i useually do)

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wagnerrp:

understand that theres some half dozen tables you need to clear

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wagnerrp:

including one that looks like it should be cleared but shouldnt

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Dagmar:

If you don' mind re-reconfiguring a few things you can just dump the lot

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Dagmar:

I'm probably going to do that tomorrow

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Dagmar:

Just _because_

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iamlindoro:

or just pul all the programs in a playlist and delete the playlist

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iamlindoro:

which would take ~10 seconds

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iamlindoro:

s/pul/put/

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wagnerrp:

never used a playlist (or knew they existed)

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Dagmar:

I suppose they're handy for porno

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Dagmar:

Perhaps anime marathons

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iamlindoro:

select all programs, all all in this group to playlist, menu, playlist options, delete all in this playlist

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iamlindoro:

s/all all/add all/

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Dagmar:

...or mass deletions.

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DjMadness:

thats a neat trick

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Tanthrix:

I've got my old recordings drive sitting here on my desk connected via a usb adapter. Watching recordings on it makes it sound like someone is tapping out morse code.

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Tanthrix:

Suffice it to say, it is being retired. Though, I feel lucky having gotten 4 years of heavy service out of it, given that it is a Maxtor and all...

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wagnerrp:

one of my recording drives is a 4yr old maxtor, still running fine

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DjMadness:

i've just lost a maxtor the other day... approx 5 yr old 200gig drive

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, im not in the basement much to hear if its acting up

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: My issue exactly.

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Now that it's on my desk, it's very apparent ;)

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Tanthrix:

Ok, please tell me that MythVideo can still be used as a simple file browser for manually mounted network shares...

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wagnerrp:

luckily for everything i actually care about, ill get an email telling me i need to swap drives

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wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: sorta

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wagnerrp:

it will function in a very limited capacity in browse mode

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wagnerrp:

same behavior it has always been

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Tanthrix:

In list view, it appears to be showing me all sorts of old things that no longer exist.

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Tanthrix:

Ah, enable file browse mode. Much better.

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Tanthrix:

Ugly as all hell though compared to 0.21. Boxing each title is really not a good way to go.

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Tanthrix:

By the way, my issue with the highlight delay has disappeared completely. Everything is nice and snappy now.

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gizmobay:

My system caught on fire what do I do?

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[R]:

use an extinguisher?

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gizmobay:

would it mess up my CPU?

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[R]:

well since it's on fire...

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gizmobay:

yeah true some things are just more important

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Tanthrix:

Ok, this is strange. I get the highlight delay if I run as my regular user, but if I sudo run myth is snappy as hell.

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gizmobay:

which distro?

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Tanthrix:

Ubuntu 9.10

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Dagmar:

So you need to make your user able to access the drm stuff your video card's using probably

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tank-man:

i had a 'delay' problem before, turns out there were 5 instances of the frontend running :) all responding to the ir remote

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: drm stuff? It seems to work perfectly otherwise, including all the vdpau / accleration goodies.

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Tanthrix:

tank-man: been there done that ;)

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mc_shakey:

Boy I wish I could understand the techinical documentation letting me access my videos and music on my remote frontend

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mc_shakey:

figured how to setup a frontend but can't figure out file sharing

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mc_shakey:

I don't even know what to enter in the field for Directory to hold music

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mc_shakey:

guess im destined to using Bill's Microsoft Media Player...Oh joy

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tank-man:

what technical documentation are you refering to?

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Dagmar:

You have fun with that

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Dagmar:

It requires a lot less reading.

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mc_shakey:

probably ubuntu's file sharing

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tank-man:

I don't see the connection to mythtv

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mc_shakey:

or, Mythbuntu

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mc_shakey:

I cant access music or videos...I can access my recordings

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mc_shakey:

played with the fstab and failed each time

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tank-man:

i still don't see the connection to mythtv, why are you editing a fstab?

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mc_shakey:

because I don't know what im doing.

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tank-man:

what are you trying to do?

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mc_shakey:

trying to share /var/lib/mythtv/music from my backend

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mc_shakey:

thought I needed to mount it

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tank-man:

some google search terms that might help are nfs or samba

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mc_shakey:

thought I couldn't access through samba

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mc_shakey:

but also have had no luck in networking with mythbuntu...ubunutu great success.

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mc_shakey:

guess i need a more do it for me friendly os

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I'm upto about 40x improvement on MPEG-TS seeking :)

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mc_shakey:

tank-man:thanks for the suggest will try again

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, awesome!

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: rewind/fast forward work almost as well as having a seek table

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wagnerrp:

is that just more intelligent guessing of where the next key frame will be?

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elmojo:

not sure if my fixes are going to be acceptable or not but they at least uncover what's causing the slow down

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: this speed-up is a result of improving how the custom ring buffer protocol handles file seeking

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elmojo:

nothing to do with MPEG-TS specifically

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elmojo:

in fact these improvements will benefit all playback formats

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gizmobay:

mc_shakey, setting up a storage group worked for me but you''ll have to redo your imdb info

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gizmobay:

elmojo, is this on mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, mythvideo is not a video player

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iamlindoro:

He's speaking of Myth's internal player

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gizmobay:

should've said viewing videos through mythvideo using the internal player

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iamlindoro:

which granted, can be used in MythVideo, but Mythvideo itself has nothing to do with seeking

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iamlindoro:

MythVideo has nothing to do with it

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: seek performance went for ~1.0 seconds to 0.015 seconds

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wagnerrp:

s/through mythvideo//

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, Very slick. I'm qure Mark (and maybe captain M) will be very open to such improvements

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gizmobay:

I did a ff on a video from mythvideo and I noticed an improvement and the vid doesn't have a sekk table

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, none of elmojo's changes would be in any code you have

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wagnerrp:

it hasnt been applied yet

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gizmobay:

oh

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gizmobay:

nevermind

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gizmobay:

I thought it ff'd much better than before

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I think I can implement all these improvements in about 3 lines of code :)

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, heh, nice

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wagnerrp:

well you can implement the world in three lines of code... but you mean cleanly?

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** wagnerrp motions towards the IOCCC **

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elmojo:

the code will be as understandable as before

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Tanthrix:

So I've got MythVideo in file browsing mode with metadata turned off, as I have done for years.

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Tanthrix:

But for some reason, it's not remembering what folder I was browsing in, and worse, it's not updating each time I enter it so new files are not being shown.

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Tanthrix:

Any thoughts?

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mc_shakey:

gizmobay:thanks for the tip...been goggling in circles.

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mc_shakey:

will try

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sphery:

heh, "Refs #23079". Now in 5 years we're all going to be confused by that commit.

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sphery:

(looks like he copied the changeset number rather than the ticket number :)

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Tanthrix:

Ugh...it seems my precious MythVideo has been bastardized beyond all recognition...

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sphery:

Tanthrix: what do you mean by that?

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sphery:

Tanthrix: someone spent a /great/ deal of time and effort improving MythVideo and your comments wouldn't really help to motivate him to spend more time making it better.

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Tanthrix:

sphery: You're right, I was being cranky – my apologies.

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sphery:

and, IMHO, it's far better than it was in 0.21-fixes and below.

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sphery:

and does far more

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Tanthrix:

sphery: I've always been a bit of a unique user of MythVideo, so I'm not its core demographic.

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Tanthrix:

sphery: For about 3 years now, I have used it solely as a file browser for my samba shares, full of a few thousand video files which I play with various external apps.

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sphery:

Well, just remember that the people who work on this stuff generally hang out here... And, if you really feel it's going the wrong direction, you need to vote with code, not complaints. :)

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Tanthrix:

sphery: And unfortunately, now with 0.22, it's taking 7 seconds to load in file browse mode, it isn't remembering where it left off, and it doesn't appear to update unless you back out of it for 5 seconds or more.

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Tanthrix:

sphery: You're totally right, I didn't mean to be yet another self-entitled jerk. MythVideo has just worked so perfectly for me for years, and it's such a core part of Myth for me, I'm worried about how I'm going to make this work

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Tanthrix:

sphery: I actually do think it's going in the right direction, especially given how many newbies I've fielded in the past here who couldn't figure out smb / nfs mounts. I just wish that the legacy support for simple file browse mode could coexist

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Tanthrix:

Apart from this Mythvideo issue, 0.22-fixes is spectacularely awesome. Somehow, all my issues that I had with my AverTV card are magically fixed, and the vdpau acceleration is incredible. If I can just figure something out for this, I'll be set.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, so this is the first time I've had a lot of HD around and I'm learning something important here.

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Dagmar:

A lot of these people on commercials are downright scary looking

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Dagmar:

Some dude in a Cialis commercial looked like he's been just drinking mercury or antifreeze or something

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Dagmar:

That's gonna sell some pills alright

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Dagmar:

*shudder*

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Dagmar:

That and my local comcast francise has NO idea how to properly time their overlay ads

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Tanthrix:

The dark side of HD.....reality!

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, why would a recording that I just finished watching live-ish magically auto-expire itself..

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Dagmar:

You have it set to allow auto expire and had very few other things around that could be expired from that storage group space (at a guess)

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Tanthrix:

Indeed, I have nothing else around except one currently active recording.

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Duh. Hard drive was running out of space...I swapped out my uber old, clickety clackety recordings drive early with another drive I had lying around. I negelected to get rid of all the other junk on it first.

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Dagmar:

Ding

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Dagmar:

Rule #3: MOAR HARD DISK

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

Was that a Ding as in "We have a winner!" or as in "to the back of the head, with a shovel"? ;)

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Dagmar:

As in we have a winner

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Dagmar:

Myth doesn't have any "irrational" bugs anymore that I've seen

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Dagmar:

...but there's a lot of ways in which it can be accidentally misconfigured

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Dagmar:

...and it's just downright unforgiving about mistreatment, particulary with respect to care and feeding of the database.

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Tanthrix:

I don't know if I'd agree with that entirely, given my above problems with mythvideo ;)

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Dagmar:

If you don't have at least a little ES350 UPS on box you're using it with, go out and buy one tomorrow.

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Tanthrix:

Already do. And nightly db backups, which actually saved my ass.

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Dagmar:

One unexpected powerfail event can completely screw you over

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Dagmar:

Cool. I assume you've unplugged the UPS from the wall to test it?

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Dagmar:

...as in, it waits about fifteen seconds and then calls for shutdown, right?

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Tanthrix:

I accidentally kick the plug off the wall on a monthly basis, so yes. ;)

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Tanthrix:

(It's right at my foot)

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Dagmar:

If you're hoping the UPS will outlast a power failure, they seldom do.

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Dagmar:

OKay cool. Hehe

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Dagmar:

My first month of using Myth the nvidia driver would occasionally spontaneously reboot the machine, so I wound up putting in some really paranoid stuff here

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Tanthrix:

But, I've got nightly backups anyway. And if I hadn't taken the time to set that up a few years ago, I would have been trying to rebuild my database from the raw files today.

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Tanthrix:

I just can't believe how easy this setup was with Ubuntu. I basically didn't have to do a single thing...lirc and my PVR-150 / AverTV cards worked out of the box. (Well, I did have to put a firmware file in the right place, but that hardly counts..)

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Tanthrix:

It's almost worth it, despite how dirty I feel for using all these wizards and preconfigured packages. ;)

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superm1:

Tanthrix, what firmware wasn't in the right place?

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Tanthrix:

superm1: The firmware for my AverTV HD A180.

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superm1:

Tanthrix, did you check if it's part of linux-firmware-nonfree?

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superm1:

if it's not, then you can file a bug on launchpad ( http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware-nonfree I think would be the URL) to get it included

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Tanthrix:

superm1: No, I just grabbed the copy I had on my previous system and stuck it in the appropriate place. Works great now.

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superm1:

Tanthrix, even though you got it working, would you mind checking though? surely you wouldnt be the only one needing it, so it'd be great to benefit everyone and get it put in that package

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superm1:

glad to hear everything else went smoothly though :)

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Tanthrix:

No problem, I certainly like to help when possible.

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Tanthrix:

I just downloaded the tgz from that link you gave me, and it does not appear to be in it. The file is dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw

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superm1:

Yeah, then file a bug there and point to where it's kept on the internets for them to include it

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superm1:

hopefully it should be be able to be sorted out by the next release then

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Tanthrix:

superm1: Supposedly you can use a script to download it, according to thise page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list

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Tanthrix:

superm1: Should I still report?

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superm1:

Tanthrix, yes please still report it

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superm1:

users shouldn't have to run scripts to go fetch things like this

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superm1:

the hardware drivers tool is supposed to get features to be able to offer to install firmware that lives in that package during the 10.04 cycle

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superm1:

so as long as the firmware is there it should be as close to out of the box as possible after this bug is fixed

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Tanthrix:

Done and done.

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superm1:

thanks!

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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Tanthrix:

Does anyone know if there is any way to disable the "Please wait" screen that shows up briefly before playing a recording?

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antgel:

word

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antgel:

so, i have two backends, i want to use mytharchive, but some files i want are on another backend. can i get around this with an NFS mount, somewhere, somehow?

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antgel:

or is there another solution?

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antgel:

hmm, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythArchive#MythAr . . . able_locally suggests "MythTV usually streams video if you have a separate frontend and backend. MythArchive cannot use streamed video: it needs to be able to access the file locally. This can be accomplished by exporting the directory containing your recordings via NFS and then adding the mountpoint to the frontend's Storage Group. "

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antgel:

the only thing is, assuming my master backend is the one i'm running mytharchive on...

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antgel:

if i add the slave backend's default storage directory to the master backend's default storage group, won't the master backend sometimes try to save recordings on the slave? or something? i think i'm confused

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th1_:

how does the Myth channel scanner allocate chanid's? they seem to be "related" to the suggested/detected channum in a way I can't quite figure out, sometimes exactly a few thousand higher

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th1_:

I need it for an external scanner I'm doing

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GreyFoxx:

It's something like videosourceid * 1000 + detected channel/frequencyid

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Dibblah:

+ an offset if it's not unique.

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th1_:

thanks

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Dibblah:

And don't do an external channel scanner.

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Dibblah:

There are already a couple.

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th1_:

Dibblah, it's not really an external channel scanner. it's more of a "postprocessor" for the built in one

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Dibblah:

And they don't do _anything_ to help fix Myth's scanning code.

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th1_:

I have an extra DB table for it and it can use Source/Network/Service triplets to make sure that channels that have moved frequency get their xmltvid etc. back

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th1_:

so I can do a rescan when the satco's move channels around without actually redoing anything

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th1_:

because they never change those 3

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okolsi_:

i'd need little help with MythNetVision.. anyone around?

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messerting:

I got myself a UPnP capable internet radio, and it freakin' *just worked*: It found the MythTV UPnP server and streams music over the wifi. Wow :)

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th1_:

another channel question: what's the best way to get rid of channels without actually deleting them (because I don't want them to show up as New on another scan)? In 0.21 I tried using the Visible field and also setting a blank channel number, neither seemed to have quite the effect I wanted..

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messerting:

I even have mp3fs encoding flacs on the fly

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th1_:

messerting, you should have bought a radio that supported flac natively ;)

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messerting:

th1_: yep, and ogg, since almost all of my collection is in .ogg...

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messerting:

guess I will re-rip my CDs to .flac soon..

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messerting:

I think the radio is reciva based: http://reciva-users.wikispot.org/Summary_info . . . eciva_radios

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messerting:

maybe I can hack it

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th1_:

it's probably got hardware codec for mp3 and not enough CPU to decode in software

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th1_:

unless it uses a dsp in which case you're in for a challenge if you want to hack it :)

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messerting:

th1_: yep, would guess so. Anyone knows if the Reciva based radios run some sort of GNU/Linux – busybox?

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messerting:

Mine is a Pinell Supersound iRadio (Norwegian re-brand), and it looks very much like the French Strong SRT1000WR

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AndyCap:

messerting: sharpfin

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antgel:

is it possible to get episodes "deleted" (as in not appear) from the Watch List, once they've been watched, as opposed to when they're deleted? seems a shame to have it cluttered up with things i've watched but want to keep

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messerting:

AndyCap: ah, thanks :)

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AndyCap:

messerting: was kind of cool to have telnet and http, but haven't looked at controlling the radio over the network yet.

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antgel:

i've just "created an archive" with mytharchive – genisoimage has finished, but where does it save the .iso? i can't see it in mytharchive's temporary directory

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TauPan:

hm... I reproduced the problem (hardware mpg encoder for analog tv on hvr 1300 breaking off stream) on 2.6.32 with an untainted kernel, but I see *nothing* in dmesg.

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TauPan:

even with ivtv-ctl -d /dev/video1 -D 0x03ff

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wagnerrp:

anyone around who has upnp detection of the backend working?

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|jonas|:

Does anyone know what's causing this: http://filearchive.closetothewind.net/picture . . . d-screen.png

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wagnerrp:

thats a new one...

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wagnerrp:

ATI video card?

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okolsi:

any ideas why MythNetVision cannot find the site scripts? Or based on logs, it finds them but logs show that none of the scripts have any 'capabilities'..?

[12:39:43]

wagnerrp:

you are missing some python prerequisites

[12:40:08]

okolsi:

wagnerrp: okay.. how to see what exactly? configure/build/logs are not showing anything

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: Look on the wiki page for the python libraries you need

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coffee412:

I have mythtv running connected to a Sony Bravia tv. Onboard MB Sound -> speakers out -> rca jack splitter > TV inputs. Sounds is nonexistant. Tested with reg computer speakers and worked but low volume. Possibly onboard sound card?

[12:40:34]

|jonas|:

It's nvidia and it only happens on SD, HD channels/recordings are fine. It have been fine for many months but now it's back.

[12:40:38]

wagnerrp:

they wouldnt, because its not needed to compile

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okolsi:

k.. i'll check the wiki again

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|jonas|:

It happens when it's playing and when I pause. It flickers on and off red like that

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: You can test that the grabbers are working in a terminal window by running them with the -v option. If they run then they will appear in MythNetvision

[12:41:49]

okolsi:

okay.. probably the feedparser and pycurl stuff..

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coffee412:

connected another sound cable direct to pc speakers out on computer and then to tv input (the mini jack connector) and I get sound but really low

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okolsi:

RDB_Linux: I'll check that also..

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: Yes that is what others have had to install

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okolsi:

hmm.. what's the best way to install those in Fedora? I'm used to install some Perl libraries through yum, and others can be added using CPAN.. but never installed anything to python

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jams:

coffee412- seems like the volume just needs to be turned up either on the recording src or the output mixer

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wagnerrp:

|jonas|: sounds like bad drivers, or a failing card

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okolsi:

looks like yum knows about the python libraries also

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coffee412:

jams: Tried all that. First thought sound was just not getting thru. I have sound turned up to 90 in mythtv. Sound to tv from a mini jack from sound card to tv input for that jack produces low sound. Jack with splitter (l,R chan) to tv I get no sound.

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|jonas|:

Yes thats what I'm thinking too

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TauPan:

hm, if I play the the stream from /dev/video1 (hardware encoded stream from analog tv) via mplayer, is it even *supposed* to play continuously? Don't I have to use a program that twiddles with the stream?

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coffee412:

jams: Thinking trying a pci soundblaster card possibly.

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okolsi:

RDV_Linux, wagnerrp: working now, thanks :)

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jams:

coffee412- so when you changed the volume in mythtv did it make a difference..either highter or lower?

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: np, We live to serve;)

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coffee412:

jams: Not really. Its almost like I need an amp for the sound for TV.

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coffee412:

MB doesnt have spif out though.

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jams:

if it didn't make a difference then I would say it's using the wrong mixer.

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coffee412:

jams: ok, Thanks for the input.

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jams:

if you have seperate speakers I would use those to test with, and probably an mp3 file instead of a recording

[12:50:08]

jams:

or it's very possible it's using line-out instead of spkr-out

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coffee412:

Jams: Tested with external computer speakers with built in amp. Plays fair. But going to tv is really low volume. If I use a patch cable to go from the speakers_out to seperate channel RCA plugs I get no sound.

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coffee412:

Only thing I can think of is low amp on built in sound card. Then splitting the channels lowers it much more? Sound reasonable?

[12:53:00]

jams:

splitting it would lower the volume if after the split both ends are connected.

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coffee412:

Thats got to be my problem then. Low-end quality onboard sound depends on amp. splitting the channels with cable makes sound nonexistant. Using a straight cable get some sound. hate to put in a home theature amp just to play it though tv (LOL).

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coffee412:

Ok, Im out of here. Gotta get this thing working. Thanks jam. nice to get your opinion.

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awalls:

TauPan: mplayer /dev/video1 -cache 8192 will smooth things out from an HVR-1600, a PVR-150 or PVR-500 should not need the -cache argument

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TauPan:

awalls: do you have an HVR-1600?

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awalls:

Yes, I'm the cx18 driver maintainer.

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TauPan:

hm... ok, the video still stops

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awalls:

what version is the cx18 driver?

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TauPan:

and mplayer hangs even though the mplayer process is in state 'SL+'

[13:12:31]

TauPan:

it's from an ubuntu 2.6.32 trunk amd64 kernel, how do I figure out the version?

[13:12:50]

TauPan:

modinfo?

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awalls:

yes

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awalls:

The driver also logs it when it loads

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TauPan:

I don't use a cx18 driver apparently... it seems hvr-1300 doesn't have that chip

[13:14:23]

awalls:

Hmm oh. I though you had a 1600 – never mind...

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TauPan:

no, 1300

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TauPan:

I thought they might be similar, but looks like they aren't.

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TauPan:

oh, I didn't say

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TauPan:

sorry

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awalls:

I look at log last night. I guess I mis-remembered.

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awalls:

/look/looed/

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TauPan:

I've just gathered a bunch of information to send to the linux-media list, but I'm afraid I don't have much for you guys to work with

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awalls:

bah! looked at the logs...

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TauPan:

you looed at the logs... behind your hut?

[13:16:24]

TauPan:

that's going to discourage those damn weasels!

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TauPan:

scnr

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awalls:

MythLogbot logs a Beirdo.

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awalls:

Maybe I should ...

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TauPan:

can anyone tell me how mythtv changes the resolution of the encoder? is there a command line tool I can use to reproduce the behaviour when I try to switch resolutions?

[13:17:41]

awalls:

v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video1 --help

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TauPan:

oh, via v4l2-ctl... I looked at ivtv tools the whole time

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TauPan:

silly me...

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TauPan:

so the option is common to the framegrabber and the hardware mpeg encoder? makes sense

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awalls:

You should also see some MPEG specific controls that don't apply to the framegrabber

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tgm4883:

Recording storage groups will only write to a local filesystem, not to another backends storage group, is this correct?

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tgm4883:

Reading this "Storage Groups are global, but can be overridden on a slave backend by creating a local Storage Group by running mythtv-setup on the slave. If a problem occurs and the slave backend is unable to use the desired Storage Group, it will fail back and try the directories defined in the master's Storage Group." it isn't entirely clear

[13:23:18]

tgm4883:

That is from http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: currently, that is correct

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, currently?

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okolsi:

is there a way to exit MythNetVision / MythBrowser if the flash video widget has the focus? E.g. if you go and click somewhere with mouse..

[13:24:10]

wagnerrp:

write support for storage groups was added in 0.22

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tgm4883:

is there plans for multiple backends with a single storage group location?

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wagnerrp:

however it only supports the top-level directory

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wagnerrp:

and has none of the load balancing code for writing

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wagnerrp:

it only currently exists for mythvideo to store downloaded images at the moment

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, so if you run jamu on multiple backends it stores all the images on the same machine?

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: Yes it is noted in the wiki that flash grabs the focus, You need to click for example at the top of the screen and then click on the video again then hit esc.

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: if youre using storage groups with mythvideo, yes

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, very nice

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, alright, i'll tell the user that they misinterpreted that info from the mythtv docs. Thanks

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RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: Glad you like it when that was developed I though people would complain.

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: mythtv will record to the folders listed in the storage group, however they still have to be mounted locally

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okolsi:

RDV_Linux: thanks again.. by the way, this MNV looks awesome.. can't wait until i have time to write one or two scripts for local tv web-sites

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tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, the only complaints I see on Jamu are when peoples art gets deleted daily

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wagnerrp:

remote writes are currently only used for mythvideo

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tgm4883:

and i've only seen that twice

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: When viewing a video I try to keep the mouse cursor ay the very top or bottom of the screen so flash never grabs focus.

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wagnerrp:

anyone around who has upnp detection of the backend working?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, i see. so that line in the docs basically says, if there is no storage group defined on a SBE, then the SBE will try to write to a local path that is defined by the MBE SG

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okolsi:

RDV_Linux: have to practice a little :)

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: exactly

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RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: Ther could only be two reasons for that (1) a bad configuration or more likely they are using the initial version of Jamu that was released with Mythbuntu and they have not updated to the official 0.22+fixes release of jamu

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tgm4883:

RDV_Linux, ah, i'll let anyone I see with that issue know that. Thanks

[13:31:00]

RDV_Linux:

tgm4883: Remember Mythbuntu was released with a pre-0.22 release and that version of jamu had a bug which was fixed by the time 0.22 was officially released.

[13:31:29]

tgm4883:

ah, I remember now

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th1_:

is there a way in the channel table where I can find out if channels are radio or tv?

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TauPan:

awalls: ok, I've managed to capture dmesg after switching resolution. Anything else from the top of your head that might be useful for debugging?

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awalls:

What linux driver supports the HVR-1300?

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[R]:

awalls: you can check the linuxtv website

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awalls:

modinfo on that driver name should show some debug flags that can be set

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awalls:

[R]: I'm lazy. ;)

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[R]:

really?

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[R]:

send me $100

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TauPan:

awalls: I already set the debug flags, I think

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[R]:

and i'll tell you the answer

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[R]:

wagnerrp: my upnp works

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[R]:

wagnerrp: although i dont think i'm using it anymore

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TauPan:

I have cx88_blackbird, cx2341x, cx88_alsa, cx8800, cx8802, and cx88xx

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wagnerrp:

im just trying to write some m-search routine

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wagnerrp:

and i *think* it should be working

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TauPan:

and I did modprobe cx2341x debug=1

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TauPan:

as well as modprobe cx88_blackbird debug=1 video_debug=1 mpegbufs=32

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[R]:

something you want me to try?

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wagnerrp:

but my backend is not responding to any queries from me, or the frontend, or my windows box

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TauPan:

the modinfo output from the other modules didn't reveal any debug flags

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awalls:

OK. I'm not terribly familiar with the cx88 driver.

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TauPan:

ok

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awalls:

But that looks like it should generate something useful in the logs.

[13:38:43]

TauPan:

I'll just send to the ml what I have... I'm afraid it's already too much crud.

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[R]:

well i'm helping to spread the word of linux and mythtv... got this guy at my work to try it

[13:38:48]

wagnerrp:

yeah, if you dont mind.... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1753713

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TauPan:

but I can't tell for the life of me tell what is relevant and what isn't.

[13:39:07]

TauPan:

s/tell//

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awalls:

Just describe the symptoms the best you can in the email.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what's it supposed to do?

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wagnerrp:

sends out a discover requests, sits for five minutes, and listens to any responses

[13:40:14]

wagnerrp:

you can kill it after a couple seconds

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wagnerrp:

if the backend hasnt responded in that time, its not working

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MartinJT:

anyone know of a way to make mythvideo use different Gallery layouts based on directory?

[13:40:43]

[R]:

yeah, i got nothing back

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MartinJT:

e.g. make my "Movies" directory display differently than th TV directory?

[13:41:08]

[R]:

wagnerrp: want me to get a wireshark capture of t he frontend sending a packet vs you sending one?

[13:41:30]

wagnerrp:

no, that script will print out what the frontend is sending

[13:41:42]

wagnerrp:

and like i said, i was watching the frontend send requests, and get nothing back

[13:42:02]

wagnerrp:

anyway... it should be responding with something like http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1753717

[13:42:13]

wagnerrp:

but thats just some broadcast message the backend sends out on a timer

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wagnerrp:

not one i received in response to a discovery request

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wagnerrp:

so effectively worthless

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MartinJT:

i'm assuming both will always use the video-ui.xml... but wondering if in the development of a theme there would be a way to show a different layout based on the directory structure??

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iamlindoro:

no

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MartinJT:

simple answer... thanks...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: how odd... now my frontend is saying "no upnp backends found"

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i know it used to work

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MartinJT:

iamlindoro, would say that it's a valid change request??

[13:46:22]

wagnerrp:

yeah, mine used to work too

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iamlindoro:

MartinJT, We don't take feature requests, so no

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MartinJT:

oh

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[R]:

wagnerrp: the only thing i can think of that i changed was screwing around with the ips in my network

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MartinJT:

for some reason I thought there was a way of requesting stuff... my apologies...

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justinh:

sacrifices to $deity

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall touching any of that on my network since the last time this was working

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iamlindoro:

open ticket with patch, wait, profit

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justinh:

or wait til a developer with the same great idea comes along...

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justinh:

iamlindoro: btw apparently now you're a team. I'm impressed ;-)

[13:48:47]

iamlindoro:

oh? When did I get to be that? Need to lose weight I guess

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MartinJT:

funny you should say that.... I'm thinking of learning C...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it was "just working" for me... and i noticed my frontend took a little too long to start so i put in all the proper configs

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justinh:

iamlindoro: was reading a blog post about MNV

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iamlindoro:

justinh, heh, hopefully not wildly PO'd about what all isn't done yet

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: Do you have the link?

[13:51:16]

justinh:

http://hackaday.com/2010/01/13/mythnetvision- . . . ythtv-hacks/

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iamlindoro:

oh, that one, yeah, saw that

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justinh:

surprisingly well informed, I'm happy to report for once

[13:51:45]

iamlindoro:

yeah, can't say the same for comments

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justinh:

aww there was only the one comment about preferring boxee

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justinh:

but one for a kludgy script to hoik video into 'watch recordings'

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's more the suggestions of other plugins that aren't even margianlly the same/as good/functional in .22

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justinh:

I didn't get that vibe at all

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justinh:

I'm normally hyper-sensitive to that kinda stuff too

[13:53:42]

justinh:

the one true neg comment came from somebody called 'farthead'

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justinh:

so can be dismissed :D

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justinh:

"teh ui suckz"

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ok well now my upnp is working on the frontend

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but still not getting anything from yoru script

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wagnerrp:

huh... well thanks anyway

[13:55:58]

justinh:

slowly noticing a steady stream of slightly more love for mythtv emerging :)

[13:56:26]

justinh:

considered posting a 'tweet if you love mythtv' on the ML today just to take the neg. edge off the #mythtv tag feed

[13:56:38]

justinh:

that can be so depressing :-(

[13:56:50]

Scopeuk:

harsh

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[R]:

damnit... i hate how efficient myth is

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[R]:

it shuts down my backend like clockwork

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justinh:

well, of all the stuff outside of tweets about ML posts & people's boxes announcing recordings.. there's FA positive comment

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Scopeuk:

peopel seriously twitter recordings?

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MartinJT:

how easy do you think it would be to port knowledge of c# to programming in C?

[13:58:54]

Scopeuk:

or the sfact oens been made?

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justinh:

yeah. got my box to do it too :-)

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justinh:

Scopeuk: helps me keep up to speed with what I've got to watch

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Scopeuk:

i just have an rss feed

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justinh:

easy to get snowed under, forget about something & struggle to find it later

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justinh:

Scopeuk: same diff :-)

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justinh:

rss, twitter feed.. all the same end result

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Puppster:

Hi, for a long time i've had just a combined frontend/backend; today I'm trying to add a second frontend. It seems to not be connecting to the backend, even though I think the IP and passwords are right. Is there something I would need to do to the backend, too, to let it gain access?

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justinh:

mine doesn't say 'mythtv recorded XYZ on ABC' though. Cos I like KNOW MythTV is my DVR :)

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justinh:

MartinJT: similar concepts, I've heard.. but object oriented stuff might give your head a battering if you're not used to it

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justinh:

sure batters the hell outta my head

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justinh:

Puppster: 1. backend needs to run on the LAN IP address 2. mysql has to allow logins from remote machines

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justinh:

Puppster: all frontends & backends go to the DB first to find out where the master backend lives – unless you're relying on upnp which I can't say much about cos I've never used it in anger

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Puppster:

justinh, thanks, the backend is on 192.168.0.102; I'll have to take a look at mysql settings

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justinh:

Puppster: try logging in from the remote frontend machine with mysql -u mythtv -pTHEPASSWORD -h hostname/ip

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justinh:

when that works you'll likely be good to go

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justinh:

if the new FE hostname is different to the backend..

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Puppster:

justinh, that seemed to work fine

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justinh:

Puppster: did you restart mythbackend after changing its IP?

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Puppster:

justinh, does the new FE need to run a backend too?

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justinh:

no

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Puppster:

justinh, from the log it looks like it connected to the mysql db, but then it seems to be trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 afterwards; i'll try restarting fe

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justinh:

you might have to go into utils/setup > setup > general to change the db server settings

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Puppster:

hrmn, yeah; it's definitely connecting to the right database (I see "Connected to 'mythconverg' at host 192.168.0.102), but then later it says "Connecting to backend server 127.0.0.1:6543...", so I'll dig around in the settings there

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justinh:

stop mythbackend on the backend machine & check both IP addresses are correct

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justinh:

both have to be 192.168.0.102 in your case

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Puppster:

aah

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justinh:

otherwise the backend won't know it's the master

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Puppster:

yeah that's probably the problem, the backend is certainly connecting to itself as 127.0.0.1

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darkdrgn2k3:

Hye i had one of my hds crashed

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darkdrgn2k3:

is there an ez way to strip out the missing recordings from the database/

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k3: yes, there is a script in contrib that will remove orphaned recordings

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, IMDB numbers need 0-padding

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newbie005:

hi, I'm having trouble with audio. I cannot hear my recordings. I'm using an HDMI output to a tv. To get the OS to work I had to change a setting to use the Motherboard's audio, i also had to enable the audio on the bios (it was detecting the PCI cards audio abilities and turning the motherboard audio off). How can i tell mythtv to use the motherboard and not HDMI ?

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newbie005:

(to get the OS to play sounds, not to "work")

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: oh? it used to work without padding

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wagnerrp:

i guess thats a side effect of the TMDB grabber

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wagnerrp:

because the old IMDB one worked without padding

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newbie005:

in mythfrontend there is a audio device text field,, this is set as "default" it is text not a dropdown. i wouldn't know what to put here

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wagnerrp:

its not a dropdown, but it has several options you can cycle through never-the-less

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: thank you i just foudn it:) worked great. even killed some of the random fan art

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wagnerrp:

or you can type your own in

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt have touched the fanart

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darkdrgn2k3:

really.. dam log of the results is nto there any more

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darkdrgn2k3:

hope it didne just delete all my fan art :-P

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wagnerrp:

newbie005: the one thats 'hw0:3' or something like that is one specifically for HDMI audio on several nvidia motherboards

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmmm dam i think it did..

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darkdrgn2k3:

GRRR

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt touch your fanart

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: huh, I'll try it again..

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wagnerrp:

since thats a mythvideo thing, that the theme just happens to use

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wagnerrp:

while the orphan script only works on recordings

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darkdrgn2k3:

did the orphan script get updated in 22

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darkdrgn2k3:

"my $revision = "0.21";" :-S

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm odd apperntly it didne LOL

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok i donno.. im going back to somethign that doesnt involve bugging you..

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darkdrgn2k3:

thanx again

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wagnerrp:

there have been a couple tweaks to it since 0.21

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wagnerrp:

but nothing major

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newbie005:

sorry to ask a stupid question.. my screen gets cut off about 20 pixels on each side, the mythtv gui are difficult to use, I can't see the values of checkboxes

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wagnerrp:

nothing that would cause it to delete any artwork in a storage group and/or folder it doesnt even know exists

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wagnerrp:

newbie005: in the setup, there is a 'screen setup wizard'

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: use the tv wizard thing

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wagnerrp:

that you can use to tell mythtv where the edges of your screen are

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh screen setup wizard :)

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newbie005:

how can I change the selection for that audio device

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wagnerrp:

and it will scale itself accordingly

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: in the general setup

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wagnerrp:

newbie005: the left and right arrows

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newbie005:

the tv screen is fine, it's the GUI

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: yes...

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newbie005:

I'd have to edit the theme resizing each area

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: use the screen setup wizeard

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: nop... just use the screen setup wizard

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wagnerrp:

no, you just tell mythtv to scale itself

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wagnerrp:

in that wizard

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: in the screen setup wizard.. the coner.. its like 5 pixals wide.. are you sopposed to see ALL of it?

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newbie005:

your talking about the white corners? Little right angles that you can move around.. ?

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wagnerrp:

i usually push most of the white bar off screen

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh

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wagnerrp:

leaves a small bit of overscan

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wagnerrp:

that takes care of any cruft that may be on the edges of recordings

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newbie005:

yeah I've adjusted that, made it waay smaller than the screen

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh.. but the themes get slightly cut of.. my 2 in 2:03 doesnt have a _ :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: then you did it wrong

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newbie005:

it's not the videos which work great, it's the theme and gui,

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: videos arnt working great you just dont notice it..

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wagnerrp:

the videos are overscanned just the same as the UI

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wagnerrp:

you just notice it, because you dont know that theres more off screen

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newbie005:

huh,, well i'll give it a shot then

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darkdrgn2k3:

:) afaik all CRTs overscan.... so its like your watching the tv on a crt...

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darkdrgn2k3:

the movies are designed so you dont need to notice theres things missing

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wagnerrp:

s/CRTs/TVs/

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok

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darkdrgn2k3:

afaik all TVs overscan

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darkdrgn2k3:

:) its anothying when you try to use the TV as a monitor .. ugh

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newbie005:

I should move it so that I see the white part or so that I do not see the white part, or just much smaller to fix my issue?

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wagnerrp:

set it so you only see the very edge of the white part

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newbie005:

the hdmi doesn't make a great tv monitor, but good for videos

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newbie005:

thanks

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: HDMI doesnt make a great tv monitor???

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: you know HDMI is nothign more then DVI with audio right..

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wagnerrp:

kindof

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: and computers have been switching to DVI for better graphics...

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wagnerrp:

DVI-DL and HDMI-1.3 have deviated from their common standard

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newbie005:

oh

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newbie005:

your right

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: realy? i thought thats why the converteres are so redaly available.. cause its the same thing

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newbie005:

I've been ESC not "m" to save

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wagnerrp:

theyre both backwards compatible to their common standard

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darkdrgn2k3:

aaa

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wagnerrp:

however DVI-DL added an extra three data channels

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darkdrgn2k3:

Oh?

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darkdrgn2k3:

for what pourpose

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wagnerrp:

while HDMI-1.3 cranked up the allowable frequency

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wagnerrp:

both to roughly double the data throughput

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darkdrgn2k3:

aa i see

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newbie005:

ok,, so now my problem is that I only have "default" listed under audio device

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey got a quetsion on a totally differnt topic... any idea how to improve the effectiveness of my anntena for ATSC?

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: permissions?

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: i think you can type into that stuff to.. i did for my HDMI audio

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darkdrgn2k3:

yep mine is ALSA:hdmi :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

but its not in the drop down

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wagnerrp:

additionally, DVI is capable of carrying analog video, while hdmi is digital only

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newbie005:

I ran it as root,, I could type something

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wagnerrp:

root means nothing

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: well it DOES.. cause if you dont have perms to the sound devices :-P

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wagnerrp:

sounds should be available to all users on every distro ive ever seen

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: i did fedora12 on a box.. i had to run it as root caues i coudlnt play audio otherwise..

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: even after adding the user to the audio group.

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wagnerrp:

funky

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newbie005:

I'm on f12. might be selinux thing?

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: i set al the /dev/snd to 666 but nothing.. so i just sid SCREW IT

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newbie005:

well,, what could I type?

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darkdrgn2k3:

whatever device you want

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darkdrgn2k3:

ALSA:default

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newbie005:

how do I know what to type for my .. ah, ok will try it thanks

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: i suggest aplay -L

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newbie005:

should I reboot or restart the frontend ?

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darkdrgn2k3:

reboot the frontend :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

oh wait

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darkdrgn2k3:

LOL you could be reffuring to the front end as the device not the program

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darkdrgn2k3:

just restart frontwnd

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darkdrgn2k3:

end

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newbie005:

it's all on one machine

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newbie005:

well I mean the OS or just the program

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: just restart mythfrontend

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darkdrgn2k3:

dam im torn between going to buy a HARMONY remote and a 1.5 tb hd

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wagnerrp:

cheap harmony

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darkdrgn2k3:

?

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darkdrgn2k3:

might i ask why

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darkdrgn2k3:

(not that i disagrea)

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wagnerrp:

1.5s can be picked up for well under $100 these days

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh i know

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darkdrgn2k3:

i got about 100 bucks to spend :-P

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wagnerrp:

so thats a cheap harmony for that price

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh thats why im torn :-P

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newbie005:

well I tried both ALSA:default and aplay -L (each time exiting and restarting the mythfrontend) neither worked...

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newbie005:

perhaps I should throw a reboot into the mix

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newbie005:

btw thanks for everyone's help

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darkdrgn2k3:

newbie005: aplay -L would show you what ALSA: you can use

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newbie005:

darkgrgn2k3: do you mean from the command line?

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newbie005:

I put that in the textbox

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newbie005:

der,, sorry

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darkdrgn2k3:

uhu

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newbie005:

I see a pulse choice.. shall I pastebin it?

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darkdrgn2k3:

your using pulse.. (*SIGH*)

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darkdrgn2k3:

i removed all the pulse #$%^

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darkdrgn2k3:

i donno pulse at all sorry

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newbie005:

I've never really cared about the audio enough to know anything about it

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newbie005:

why don't you like it?

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bobc:

does anyone know if "MCP::InitUPnP() – HttpServer Create Error" is significant? I'm trying to figure out some issues I'm having with my backend and this is the first error I come across in the logs, but the backend keeps going OK at this point.

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newbie005:

I have seen instructions when installing fedora for uninstalling pulse, it would seem that many people do not like it

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newbie005:

if you don't mind looking at my aplay -L http://fpaste.org/qUit/

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wagnerrp:

bobc: complete guess... but it may be failing because it refuses to listen on 127.0.0.1, which you have listed as the backend's IP

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newbie005:

i see "surround51:CARD=IXP,DEV=0" should I try surround51 or the entire line as is or "ALSA:surround51"

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bobc:

wagnerrp: thanks, but I have the IP as the actual IP address (192.168.1.101). Saw that as one possibility when looking through the mailing list archives.

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Dagmar:

newbie005: "surround51" is a builtin target, so ALSA:surround51 should be perfectly fine

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Wicked:

hmm. so i think this is a known issue but when im watching tv(pvr-150 via svideo from my sci atl stb) the rewind button doesnt always work...lastnight i was playing around with it and it seems that if i start watching livetv and need to rewind it will work...but if i change channels and need to rewind it doesnt..it just kinda stutters the video for a second..but never rewinds. I think it also does i

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Wicked:

t if i watch one show..then it switches over to a new show. Its semi annoying when it happens because to be able to rewind i have to exit livetv then restart livetv...which is not the fastest process...sometimes i can miss upto 30+ seconds of the show. I have not found any workaround or fix for this yet...is anyone here familiar with this issue and if there is any kinda work around being made?

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newbie005:

Hi, I'm having troulbe with the audio, I had to configure the OS to use the onboard sound device, I have a HDMI output that it was defaulting to. I tried changing the audio device in mythfrontend to every avaialble setting but none of them seem to work. any suggestions ?

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newbie005:

Wicked: i think you'll have to record it and then come back to it later

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newbie005:

i think there is a setting of how much to buffer a recorded show, you might play with that

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Wicked:

hmm ya. i havent found a solution for it yet. something to do with the seektable from my understanding....

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Wicked:

i dont recall ever having this issue on 0.21

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wagnerrp:

the old setting for 'how much to buffer' hasnt worked since 0.18 or 0.19

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wagnerrp:

recordings now go straight to disk, recording an entire show up to the cutpoint specified by the guide data in a single file

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Wicked:

hmm. in 0.21-fixes rewinding never did this. it was not until i switched to 0.22-fixes that it started doing this.

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newbie005:

there is a second audio option "passthrough output device" should I mess with this ?

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wagnerrp:

if youre doing straight passthrough

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newbie005:

ALSA:plughw:0,3 i'm not sure what this means

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, mythtv will decode the audio, and pass the raw PCM onto whatever output you give ALSA

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Wicked:

i dont know its not a huge issue. i dont watch to much livetv and i dont always need to rewind...but it is handy to have working....alot of times i mis hear things and want to rewind to listen closer

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: I'm not doing anything special, i think

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newbie005:

Wicked: there is a setting for CPU usage.. ?

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Wicked:

im not sure

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Wicked:

i know there are profiles

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Dagmar:

It has never done that here

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Dagmar:

Check for whatever errors might be coming out of the backend or frontend when you try to rewind a bit

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Dagmar:

...and definitely check your mysql tables for corruption.

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Gumby:

hi all, I am getting sound via hdmi when using mythtv to watch videos, but in livetv and recorded tv I am not. Anyone know why this might be?

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wagnerrp:

AC3 passthrough is not working properly

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wagnerrp:

try turning it off and see what happens

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AndyCap:

Gumby: and are you using the internal player?

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wagnerrp:

for mythvideo, that is

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: its not on

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Gumby:

AndyCap: yes I am

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Wicked:

Dagmar, i do see something in the frontend logs http://pastebin.com/m45db2f7d

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: audio IS working when watching a video, but NOT when watching live or recorded TV

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bobc:

is "Cannot find default UPnP backend" normal when the backend starts? Or am I missing a setting somewhere?

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[R]:

how can you tell an mpeg haupauge card vs a non-mpeg card just by looking at it?

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[R]:

is the line out the only way?

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AndyCap:

[R]: the model number? or is there some problem with some revisions of a particular card?

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[R]:

like if i were to go to a swap meet

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[R]:

and noticed someone selling a haupauage card

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[R]:

how would i know if its a bttv or an mpeg

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justinh:

uhhh, the model number for starters

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[R]:

well they have a million models

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[R]:

i can't remember all of those

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justinh:

if it has PVR in the name, it'll probably have an mpeg encodererrerer

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Dagmar:

Gosh it's a shame no one's figured out how to make computers search the web yet

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justinh:

if not, it'll likely be a framegrabbing PoS

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AndyCap:

or phones.

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[R]:

i dont have data on my phone

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justinh:

or people!

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AndyCap:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/press/presspic . . . le_board.jpg

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Dagmar:

Googling a model number on the wiki is easy. Searching for a model number on the mythtv wiki makes it trivial, man

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[R]:

Dagmar: yes... but the situation i just proposed precludes me from having web access

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justinh:

or look at the chips on the board :-)

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Dagmar:

If you don't have web access you can't buy over the web anyway

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AndyCap:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/press/index.html

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[R]:

AndyCap: so that doenst say PVR on the label

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Dagmar:

Buying from a brick and mortar is generally called "paying way too much"

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[R]:

Dagmar: i'm not buying fro ma store

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: I think he was talking about fleamarkets and swap meets

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justinh:

there are loads of pvr cards on ebay these days shirley

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AndyCap:

ham fests?

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[R]:

ok... so on that card i see MPEG on the chip

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: Such things are only for people who know model numbers and capabilities by heart

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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justinh:

any cards at computer junk sales are most likely ummm... junk

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Dagmar:

Otherwise you better be ready to lose some money for buying crap

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[R]:

justinh: i've gotten good stuff before

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[R]:

justinh: got my firewire card at one

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justinh:

suddenly I realise I'm more of a geek than I thought. I mean I know the model numbers of video capture chips

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Dagmar:

I used to buy from a bunch of geeks at a traveling computer show when they were around because it was faster, but it was pretty much an open secret that if you didn't know what you were looking for, they'd sell you what tehy have the most of just to get rid of it

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AndyCap:

justinh: haha, are you living in denial?

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justinh:

remembering junk like that is probably how I was never any good at picking up girls. man, what a wasted life

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Dagmar:

[r]: Considering that about 95% of firewire cards adhere to one specific driver spec, that's not very hard to do

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[R]:

haha

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Dagmar:

Might as well say "I bought a keyboard that worked well"

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[R]:

HAHA

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justinh:

very true :-)

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[R]:

well in that one pic... i can clearly see it has an mpeg chip on it

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sid3windr:

same for bluetooth :)

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justinh:

does this keyboard work in linux?!

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Dagmar:

I was disappointed at the lack of having to do anythign special when I got my firewire card

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AndyCap:

of course, not all firewire cards are made equal.

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[R]:

justinh: i actually had a keyboard that didn't fully work... because some jackass sdcrewd up the hid driver

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justinh:

[R]: another telltale is the socket configuration on the bracket

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Dagmar:

[r]: What you need to do is research in advance for the parts you want, then go look for them specifically

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[R]:

justinh: took a few months to get him to fix it

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justinh:

not many framegrabbers have audio input jacks.. if indeed any :-)

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Dagmar:

"parts" can be a list of alternatives

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justinh:

or print out all the pictures of the pvr cards & go looking specifically

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[R]:

haha

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justinh:

they only did so many models

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Dagmar:

If the model number isn't written on it, it's probably crap.

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[R]:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/press/presspic . . . le_board.jpg

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Dagmar:

Most of the time when manufacturer's don't silkscreen or otherwise put their name and the model number on a piece of hardware, it's because they don't want it coming back to haunt them

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[R]:

i dont see the mjodel number anywher on that

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justinh:

if there's only one chip on it, it's probably framegrabber junk too

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Dagmar:

It's an OEM board

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[R]:

it just sayas 26552

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Dagmar:

Original Equipment Manufacturer

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Dagmar:

Meaning it's meant for people who know what it is and what to do with it, so they don't need the model number printed on it.

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Dagmar:

They do have their catalog/product number on it tho

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Dagmar:

Keep in mind that manufacturers *may* make items which have things missing from them because the OEM they originally sold them to didn't need them

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Dagmar:

You'd be taking a risk buying that particular card without documentation or a box to assure you it's really a plain PVR-150

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Dagmar:

_risk_ is bad when shopping "in the wild"

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[R]:

well thats the fun of buying stuff at swap meets

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Dagmar:

You've got a different idea of how to spend money than I do then.

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Dagmar:

...or a lot more disposable income

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i dont have most of the expenses most people do

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AndyCap:

meh, even if know the exact revision number of what you want doesn't mean you get one with the magic smoke still inside

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Dagmar:

Neither do I but I still make sure I know what I'm looking at before I buy it

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Dagmar:

don't you have any geeks that you know who have cell phones?

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[R]:

i have a cell

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Dagmar:

One of my friends used to call me about twice a month before buying something in a weird place until he got his Palm Pre

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[R]:

well i doubt i'm gonna find anything

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[R]:

so it doesnt really matter

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bobc:

I'm trying to checkout MythNetVision and when I get to Manage Site Subscriptions the screen is blank. Any idea what I've done wrong?

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Dagmar:

Take a list of stuff with you just in case

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision#Troubleshooting

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Dagmar:

"I don't see any sites when I try to subscribe to tree views!"

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Dagmar:

I *think* that's what you're talkinga bout

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bobc:

thanks!

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justinh:

a month after I bought my last tuner card I swore never to buy from a computer stuff fair ever again. The card was an ATI AiW

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justinh:

come to think, never bought anything with 'Pro' in its name since either

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

i think we got my current digital tuner from a swap meet

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[R]:

ati hdtv wonder

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[R]:

it works great

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[R]:

i *really* need to finish writing my IR decoding code for my PIC

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[R]:

it sucks having to push the power button on my computer

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Puppster:

justinh, thanks for your help earlier, i updated the ip like you said and everything was working fine. i can't believe this old 2 GHz P4 can actually play HD video okay with xvmc. this is really sweet.

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bobc:

are the myth python bindings included in a mythtv install or a seperate install? I don't see them anywhere else the wiki doesn't say.

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wagnerrp:

depends on how you installed

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bobc:

compiled trunk

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wagnerrp:

they are a configure option in the base mythtv folder

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wagnerrp:

if you configured to install them, then yes, they should be installed

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bobc:

I didn't use any configure options

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justinh:

[R]: digital tuners are a different kettle of thingies though. Unlike AiW junk which didn't even have enough chuff to put PAL video over the PCI bus :-\

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[R]:

justinh: chuff?

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bobc:

yes, they were installed, thanks wagnerrp

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justinh:

oh come on

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justinh:

the tone of the comment tells the meaning

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[R]:

justinh: is it some kind of crazy british word?

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justinh:

[R]: ok then see item 3 here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chuff

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[R]:

interesting...

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[R]:

never heard it before

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[R]:

#7 is worded hilariously

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justinh:

I coulda just said the AiW card was a stinking pile of ****ing crap but where's the fun in that?

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mzb:

ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself!

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mzb:

interesting

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mzb:

sorry, no debug symbols or anything ... just the last line of mythbackend.log

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mzb:

poor thing died during the night

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mzb:

note: no settings (hostname or otherwise) have been changed on this machine for .... a very long time

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squish102:

sounds like it was lonely!

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[R]:

i'm watching a show about people doing maintanece on the antenna on the empire state building

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[R]:

and the guy said they HAVE to be down by 5 or else they'll be fried by the atenna

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[R]:

i highly doubt they would have turned on the antenna if the guys were still out there

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trewq:

http://www.pandamailer.de/?bettel=pimbolli

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mzb:

ah well, time to update to trunk

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mzb:

mnv here I come ;)

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elmojo:

sphery: are you aware of any tickets still open that are related to sound being played with fast forwarding/rewinding? I've found one old one that was closed

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: Please the wiki for the python packages that need to be installed to save yourself some confusion.

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mzb:

ok, thanks RDV_Linux

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: Also test one of the grabbers with a -v option in a terminal to ensure that they are functioning.

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mzb:

ok, sure

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sphery:

elmojo: don't know if there are any still open, but TTBOMK, it has (at some times, at least) done exactly that when there's no in-DB seektable for MPEG-2 recordings. May also affect others.

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sphery:

so the "quick fix" was to just have users build a seektable

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sphery:

needs a real fix--especially as you're fixing up the libav* seeking

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

well I got basic cable today

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mattwj2002:

cable guy said that analog is gone as of June!

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[R]:

SWEET

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egghead:

running mythbuntu 9.10, with vdpau ppa, when using xine from fe the sound is delayed and is slow'd down, run xine from desktop everything sounds fine, any ideas?

[19:09:56]

mattwj2002:

good news is I have basic and all the basic channels are unencryted qam

[19:10:10]

wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: is this with comcast?

[19:10:13]

mattwj2002:

yup

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[R]:

mattwj2002: until they start encrypting them

[19:10:18]

mattwj2002:

O_o

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wagnerrp:

comcast got their waiver to turn on privacy mode on their DTAs

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[R]:

of course they did

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[R]:

the fcc doesnt' care about the lowly consumer

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mattwj2002:

basic channels and standard

[19:10:50]

mattwj2002:

oops

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wagnerrp:

that means they will soon be encrypting the the non-must-carry channels

[19:10:55]

mattwj2002:

basic not standard

[19:11:11]

mattwj2002:

so no local unencrypted?

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gbee:

egghead: so don't use xine?

[19:11:26]

wagnerrp:

basic is nothing more than your local must-carry channels, and maybe free stuff like c-span/qvc

[19:11:43]

mattwj2002:

right

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mattwj2002:

that is all that is unencrypted right now

[19:11:52]

wagnerrp:

standard, extended, plus, whatever are additional packages that carry cable-only stuff

[19:12:07]

gbee:

and you should really be using official 0.22 and not a private fork if you expect support

[19:12:10]

wagnerrp:

so if you only have basic cable, you will get exactly the same stuff off an antenna

[19:12:11]

egghead:

gbee, i guess that might work

[19:12:12]

mattwj2002:

I think they are confusing basic with standard cable :P

[19:12:36]

mattwj2002:

I get like 20 channels

[19:12:47]

egghead:

ahhh ic

[19:12:50]

gbee:

egghead: use of external players has been a legacy thing for some time now

[19:13:15]

mattwj2002:

I am not even sure if it is that many

[19:13:45]

egghead:

gbee, does official ppa support vdpau, i was under impression i had to use the other

[19:13:52]

gbee:

likely the ability to use external players will be removed entirely in a release or two

[19:14:20]

** iamlindoro buys gbee a beer **

[19:14:56]

gbee:

egghead: 0.22 supports vdpau, it was added officially to MythTV but jyavenard was impatient and backported the code from the development version to 0.21 (unofficially)

[19:15:14]

elmojo:

sphery: it's already fixed over at my house ;)

[19:15:38]

elmojo:

just wondering if I should wait till the BSP to release it

[19:16:24]

egghead:

gbee, thanks, didnt know that

[19:16:38]

gbee:

and contrary to common belief, he didn't write vdpau support (he's a talented programmer and developer, but vdpau support wasn't his)

[19:17:00]

egghead:

sounds like im running backported packages?

[19:18:21]

antgel:

is it possible to get episodes "deleted" (as in not appear) from the Watch List, once they've been watched, as opposed to when they're deleted? seems a shame to have it cluttered up with things i've watched but want to keep

[19:18:24]

Dagmar:

It's easier than believing in the code fairy.

[19:18:33]

antgel:

and another question – i've just "created an archive" with mytharchive – genisoimage has finished, but where does it save the .iso? i can't see it in mytharchive's temporary directory

[19:18:40]

gbee:

iamlindoro: you know that removing external player support will be a fight, but I hold out hope, the fact that it doesn't work with storage groups gives us an excuse too

[19:18:48]

mzb:

hmm, mytharchive and mythbrowser not building

[19:19:23]

iamlindoro:

gbee, well, you know my feelings on the matter, so no use restating them :)

[19:19:55]

** iamlindoro rather expects the internal player to make miraculous leaps within a release of that **

[19:20:10]

iamlindoro:

not that elmojo hasn't personally beaten many of the naughty bugs out this cycle

[19:20:13]

mzb:

turning off -jN (two independent builds) to see what happens

[19:21:23]

mzb:

mytharchive build failure: http://openpaste.org/en/18914/

[19:21:42]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: I don't use external players anymore and I"m _VERY_ picky about playback

[19:22:03]

gbee:

way I see it, especially with mythui osd and the video widget, users of external apps are going to miss out on tighter integration and some cool features, it makes less sense every day to try and keep external player support working in the face of that

[19:22:20]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, There'a a lot of legacy feelings about the internal player, but IMO it's been mostly solid for a long while

[19:22:36]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, And from my perspective a lot of the nags we still hear are addressed by your patches

[19:23:27]

mzb:

interesting, two occurrences of mythpluginapi.h but both dated 2009-04–21

[19:23:39]

mzb:

(out of build dir that is)

[19:24:31]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: the last remaining problems for me were with MPEG-TS video playback and they have been resolved this weekend

[19:24:37]

antgel:

when i try to configure mythweather, i get http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1754084

[19:24:42]

elmojo:

I'm running out of things I want to fix

[19:24:56]

antgel:

have i done something very wrong? all the .pl scripts are a+x

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antgel:

elmojo: i have a list for you ;)

[19:25:19]

elmojo:

oh yeah... then list them

[19:25:38]

antgel:

:-O

[19:26:44]

mzb:

disabling mytharchive :|

[19:26:53]

wagnerrp:

antgel: that almost looks like youre trying to run a perl script in bash

[19:28:13]

antgel:

wagnerrp: it's a bog-standard 0.22-fixes, i have absolutely no idea why that might have happened. i certainly haven't altered any mythweather configuration – and perl works fine on this box

[19:28:22]

mzb:

gbee & iamlindoro : lack of external player support would kill the ability for me to play my random music videos, right?

[19:28:42]

gbee:

no, why do you say that?

[19:29:06]

mzb:

isn't that what you were saying?

[19:29:21]

iamlindoro:

why would using the internal player prevent you playing your music videos?

[19:29:48]

mzb:

I don't use the internal player ... it won't do what I want (random playback of a large list)

[19:30:07]

iamlindoro:

so you can help us out improving playlist support

[19:30:07]

mzb:

I _do_ use the internal player for everything else

[19:30:22]

iamlindoro:

ie support for pls, playlist management, etc.

[19:30:26]

gbee:

mzb: but you are using that external player outside mythtv?

[19:31:04]

gbee:

nothing prevents you keeping an external player installed, we're talking about for playback of videos with mythvideo and DVDs

[19:31:20]

mzb:

I have a custom command for a playlist. The custom command recreates the playlist file and then plays it with the external player of my choice (at the time)

[19:31:45]

mzb:

I have a number of ways of starting playback

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gbee:

right, but through mythvideo? Or through a custom exec in the menu?

[19:32:12]

mzb:

one is a custom menu entry, the other is through mythvideo, and a third is direct via x10 remote

[19:32:26]

mzb:

the 1st option is the best

[19:32:37]

iamlindoro:

mzb, You/someone can submit a patch to create and modify playlists in mythvideo, and a shuffle mode, too

[19:32:44]

wagnerrp:

custom menu entries can do whatever you want them do

[19:32:44]

iamlindoro:

the first and third would remain possible

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antgel:

wagnerrp: it would appear that WeatherSource::ProbeScript is trying to run ENVCAN-Maps.xml, which is an xml file, not a perl script, would you believe?

[19:32:55]

mzb:

ok

[19:33:15]

mzb:

if I can get trunk to compile I'll take a look at it

[19:33:17]

mzb:

;)

[19:33:36]

gbee:

right, that isn't going to change, you'll always be able to create custom menu entries to launch whatever you want, that's not related to what we're talking about

[19:33:49]

iamlindoro:

doing playlists properly in mythvideo will not be possible in a non-hacky way until the DB table changes that are coming happen

[19:34:51]

mzb:

ok, thanks for clearing up my confusion

[19:35:14]

gbee:

you can copy the playlist stuff from pbb for basic playlist support, but it's basic

[19:36:09]

mzb:

pbb?

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iamlindoro:

the bigger problem is the way playback is handled in mythvideo, namely that it doesn't return any sort of value when you come back from the player, so knowing when to discontinue playback is tough

[19:37:08]

mzb:

the x10 remote comes in handy for that ;)

[19:37:18]

antgel:

hmm. could somebody locate then ls -l ENVCAN-Maps.xml ? on my system it's 0755, which is why mythweather thinks it's to be executed (yes, mythweather could be a bit more sensible about the extension but i want to know if it's a bug with just my install)

[19:37:31]

iamlindoro:

mzb, we're talking about doing it properly, not doing it period

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gbee:

iamlindoro: if/when implemented it might be an idea to have one playlist solution for both pbb and mythvideo, osd could display the next/previous video with support to move to the next/previous from the menu

[19:38:45]

iamlindoro:

yeah, I'm all for consistency

[19:39:02]

Speedy2:

Anyone using this? : http://code.google.com/p/mythbox/

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gbee:

actually, channel up/down – unused for videos/recordings and perfect for browsing the playlist

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mzb:

what's pbb?

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mzb:

mythgame not building either ... something's going on here

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wagnerrp:

Speedy2: not likely youre going to find an xbmc user in here

[19:40:23]

mzb:

I think there's a path-related issue happening

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Speedy2:

wagnerrp: Funny, XBMC-Linux guys say to ask in here.

[19:41:16]

wagnerrp:

we dont support mythbox

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wagnerrp:

and from what i understand, the xbmc guys dont intend to support it much longer either

[19:41:52]

wagnerrp:

getting obsoleted by pvr-headend, or whatever they call it

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mzb:

after a distclean in mythplugins the first error I get is: main.cpp:20:27: error: mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory

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[R]:

i tried that mythbox thing once

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mzb:

make line is g++ -c -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W -DPIC -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX="" -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_PLUGIN -DQT_SQL_LIB -DQT_XML_LIB -DQT_OPENGL_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtOpenGL -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSql -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/include -I/in

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mzb:

clude/mythtv -I/include/mythtv/libmythdb -I/include/mythtv/libmythui -I/include/mythtv/libmyth -I/include/mythtv/libavformat -I/include/mythtv/libswscale -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -o main.o main.cpp

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[R]:

it was atrocious

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Speedy2:

wagnerrp: Well, I like Myth's features and XBMC's FE environment.

[19:42:52]

wagnerrp:

http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=GSoC_-_Unified_PVR_Frontend

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mzb:

do the mythtv includes look right?

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[R]:

mzb: do you ahve a problem?

[19:43:23]

mzb:

yes

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[R]:

mzb: oh i see it

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mzb:

looks like the prefix isn't included

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mzb:

(in the mythtv includes)

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egghead:

gbee, tried using the internal player, but same sound problem, you think it might be the ppa's i added to source list?

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gbee:

it's probably pulseaudio, kill it, napalm works

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egghead:

ahhh, napalm it is lol

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ThisOneGuy:

hi all – I was trying to set up mythnetvision in a recent version of trunk and I was having some trouble – can anyone help me?

[19:47:03]

mzb:

manually setting prefix appears to correct the issue

[19:47:06]

mzb:

(so far)

[19:47:26]

mzb:

yep

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOneGuy: Please check the wiki for python library requirements. When those are satisfied tun one of the grabber scripts in a terminal window with the -v option to make sure it works.

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mzb:

looks like default prefix of /usr/local has been removed

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mzb:

(in mythplugins)

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gbee:

it hasn't

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ThisOneGuy:

thanks RDV – I wasn't sure how to check if I've satisfied the requirements – can you give me any pointers – I'm using ubuntu 9.10

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antgel:

*snort*

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mzb:

gbee: I updated, did a distclean and mythplugins won't build. If I add --prefix it does (and the make line looks right)

[19:49:55]

** iamlindoro would really prefer it if people wouldn't go looking for help on weekold plugins **

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[R]:

mzb: what does the log look like

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iamlindoro:

that is, assuming they want them to actually be finished by the release

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOneGuy: The wiki is the best pointer

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mzb:

[R]: which one?

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[R]:

mzb: well seeing as you are trying to coimple mythplugins...

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mzb:

config log?

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[R]:

is there another log?

[19:51:56]

mzb:

righto

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mzb:

I'll clean it again

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gbee:

find -name Makefile -delete

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mzb:

http://openpaste.org/en/18915/

[19:53:31]

mzb:

gbee: why?

[19:53:43]

mzb:

or do that and then svn up?

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[R]:

thats all that in the log? how lame is that

[19:53:53]

mzb:

hehe

[19:54:05]

mzb:

now you probably understand why I asked ;)

[19:55:21]

mzb:

gbee: thanks, that worked

[19:55:27]

mzb:

never struck that one before

[19:56:05]

gbee:

distclean should remove the Makefiles, but won't if they were created with a different user/privs, chances are that you accidentally built as root one time

[19:56:48]

mzb:

yeah, but used the same user to delete them ... I'll double check it, thanks

[19:57:06]

mzb:

(and that was on two separate machines)

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mzb:

RDV_Linux: http://openpaste.org/en/18916/

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antgel:

hmm. could somebody locate then ls -l ENVCAN-Maps.xml ? on my system it's 0755, which is why mythweather thinks it's to be executed (yes, mythweather could be a bit more sensible about the extension but i want to know if it's a bug with just my install)

[19:59:42]

mzb:

only occurring on lenny (MBE)

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: Sorry I only know the python grabber scripts. I assume you have at least search working and some/all of the grabbers can be run in a terminal with the -v option. Remember that Netvision is early beta at this point.

[20:04:03]

mzb:

that's an error from the build, haven't got as far as testing

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: Well that type of error is out of my humble depth.

[20:05:44]

mzb:

seems to build find on Ubuntu 9.10 but not on Lenny ... can't see why yet

[20:06:54]

mzb:

s/fine

[20:07:08]

mzb:

trying again

[20:07:25]

mzb:

nope, same

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mzb:

I wonder if it's qt 4.4 vs qt4.5

[20:12:04]

gbee:

mzb: add "#include <QLocale>" to the list of includes at the top of parse.cpp

[20:12:12]

mzb:

k

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gbee:

iamlindoro: parse.cpp yours, or was it borrowed from somewhere?

[20:13:04]

iamlindoro:

mostly mine, with some parsing ideas copied

[20:13:10]

iamlindoro:

I'll add the include-- wonder why it builds here

[20:13:24]

henrik__:

Hello! When in live tv mode, and pressing "m" I get a list with different choices, compared to .21 I'm missing some vital choices, Like dvb texting or audio track or textv menu, all thous are just gone. I compared frontend to a friend also on the .22. He had the choices I was missing, how can I add these entries to the menu?

[20:14:03]

wagnerrp:

try in 'i'

[20:14:05]

gbee:

iamlindoro: I didn't quite appreciate just how busy you've been, nor how fast you've learnt for that matter :)

[20:14:13]

wagnerrp:

no... that just brings up the OSD

[20:14:33]

iamlindoro:

gbee, TBH I am a little ashamed of the probable-many ugly bits

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iamlindoro:

gbee, proud of the result, but a bit sad I didn't/can't do better

[20:14:49]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Thank you for the compliment

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mzb:

that's got it .. interesting that the MBE didn't like it ;)

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henrik__:

wagnerrp, I only gets me the osd with info on how long the movie has been going on, and next time i is pressed I get information about the program I'm watching

[20:16:21]

henrik__:

ohh I can se you wrote that..

[20:17:54]

gbee:

iamlindoro: some Anduinisms in there that I personally don't like, but that's not unexpected since you've spent so much time around mythvideo and it's inconsequential at the end of the day

[20:18:30]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I would be wildly appreciative of any advice or improvements you care to make

[20:18:42]

iamlindoro:

No pride here, I just want it to meet expectations

[20:21:39]

gbee:

well just one thing for now then, convention in myth is to indent public/private/protected by 2 spaces

[20:22:15]

iamlindoro:

will do

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iamlindoro:

In my haste there are probably a fair number of formatting yucks

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gbee:

I'm not wild about appending _ to everything in a struct, but there are no rules governing that in myth, it's just a personal preference

[20:23:24]

sphery:

elmojo: cool... glad you have that fixed. It will make a lot of people happy--especially with the no-seektable-playing fixes

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iamlindoro:

will look at that too, I think I was probably pretty inconsistent in the structs too

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gbee:

and that's about all I can say having only looked briefly at parse.h

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henrik__:

no one who can have an Idea about the problem with missing dvb-text and text-tv menu?

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sphery:

henrik__: did you enable MHEG?

[20:28:02]

henrik__:

sphery, no I have not..

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henrik__:

never done before either, but is that for people outside New Zeland?

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sphery:

I don't know much about non-US stuff like that, but "dvb-text and text-tv" menu sounds a lot like MHEG

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sphery:

I know they use it in the UK. Don't know more than that.

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henrik__:

okej I think MHEG is only in England and NewZeland, but it should be something else..

[20:30:42]

henrik__:

MHEG seems from looking in the wiki to be more advanced stuff.

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gbee:

we all have our own style and preferences, there is no wrong and no right, aside from what's written down in the Coding Standards, e.g. Anduin makes lots of use of namespaces which you won't find anywhere else in the code, and which are partially redundant with symbol visibility and small libs

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henrik__:

gbee, or iamlindoro do any of you have a solution to my problem?

[20:37:20]

iamlindoro:

henrik__, sorry, I'm literally hard at work in three other windows, I haven't even read it

[20:38:42]

gbee:

henrik__: tried scrolling down?

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gbee:

those options still appear here

[20:38:56]

henrik__:

gbee, yes, the last part of my menu is sleep

[20:39:17]

henrik__:

and that needs scrolling.. they should be in the menu..

[20:40:18]

gbee:

options like audio track are only shown if there is more than one track available

[20:40:56]

henrik__:

okej, but it should be shoown in this case..

[20:40:59]

mzb:

updating site maps

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gbee:

henrik__: there is a new feature in 0.22 which allows you to change which options are shown in that menu, I've never looked at it

[20:42:03]

henrik__:

okej, do you know where I can take a look at this, right now I'm not able to record shows with text or spoken language

[20:45:48]

gbee:

henrik__: nope, somewhere in the settings though

[20:46:09]

iamlindoro:

Utils/Setup->Setup->Tv Settings->OSd Menu Editor

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iamlindoro:

(ISTR)

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henrik__:

iamlindoro, thanks, but according to that list the text tv should be there.

[20:52:44]

mzb:

iamlindoro: mnv looking good so far, browse is quite extensive ;) ... but "no browser command set" ... errr?

[20:53:00]

iamlindoro:

mzb, need to set up MythBrowser

[20:53:18]

iamlindoro:

Utils/Setup->Setup->Info Center Settings->Web Settings

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mzb:

um, ok

[20:53:24]

mzb:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

make sure "Internal" is your browser

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mzb:

righto

[20:53:35]

iamlindoro:

then "OK" even if it is

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mzb:

it's blank

[20:54:18]

iamlindoro:

so change to Internal

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mzb:

done

[20:55:16]

iamlindoro:

should be fine now

[20:55:29]

mzb:

"Loading"

[20:55:32]

sphery:

henrik__: I'd guess it's the "not in the stream you're playing or what's in there is not recognized by Myth" answer gbee alluded ot

[20:55:37]

iamlindoro:

(assuming you have flash installed and working)

[20:55:44]

mzb:

not sure if I've got flash installed...

[20:55:47]

mzb:

*cackle*

[20:56:53]

mzb:

flashplayer-mozilla (Lenny) or install from Adobe?

[20:57:20]

iamlindoro:

Either should be the same, theoretically

[20:58:05]

iamlindoro:

Sweet Jesus people on YouTube are weird

[20:58:05]

mzb:

:)

[20:58:06]

mzb:

k

[20:58:17]

iamlindoro:

MNV search for "Rocky IV Montage", first result

[20:58:50]

gbee:

teletext stopped broadcasting at the end of last year here in the UK, the option still appears in the menu however

[20:59:14]

mzb:

hmm, 64-bit lenny != repo flash

[21:00:13]

henrik__:

iamlindoro, I have tried to remove, saved, added the choices in that menu, but they refuse to be shown in live-tv or in recorded (changed in both)

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henrik__:

gbee, did they stop with dvb- teletext 2?

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mzb:

err... contrib and non-free

[21:01:53]

mzb:

that's got it

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gbee:

henrik__: analogue and digital teletext, replaced with the much better MHEG

[21:03:06]

gbee:

and DVB subtitles

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mzb:

still "loading" ... restarting FE with log

[21:04:14]

iamlindoro:

mzb, what's still loading?

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henrik__:

gbee, well here teletext is a type of message board so I can follow the diffrent scores in sports, and dvb text is where I get the right text for a show, audio was mostly for kids movies, where you can choose between diffrent audio.. But all thouse menus are gone since .22. and they are marked to be visible in the listing.

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mzb:

iamlindoro: selecting a video results in "loading" ... just trying it on this machine too (!=MBE/FE)

[21:07:03]

mzb:

do I need a specific -v switch?

[21:07:13]

iamlindoro:

There's nothing for Myth to log

[21:07:27]

iamlindoro:

once the browser is open, it's all up to you having the flash player, and it working

[21:07:37]

iamlindoro:

ie, out of our hands

[21:08:02]

gbee:

henrik__: file a bug, but they all appear here, I can't begin to explain why you don't see them

[21:08:42]

mzb:

iamlindoro: running on either FE (Lenny or Ubuntu 9.10) gives me "Loading". On Ubuntu I do get previews, however.

[21:09:10]

iamlindoro:

mzb, so your flash player isn't working on both

[21:09:32]

mzb:

flash works on this machine. ${WOMAN} uses it constantly

[21:09:42]

iamlindoro:

once you get as far as the browser opening, it's entirely out of MythNetvision's hands

[21:10:00]

iamlindoro:

and since this isn't release code, you're on your own to debug

[21:10:32]

iamlindoro:

but it's quite likely that QtWebKit's NSPlugin support and your browser's are looking in different places

[21:10:41]

mzb:

ok

[21:10:46]

mzb:

I'll play

[21:12:13]

mzb:

hmm ... can't even find mythbrowser on this machine ;)

[21:12:26]

mzb:

(not in the same location as the MBE)

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sphery:

mzb: if you have a multilib machine you have to have the flash for the arch used by the browser using the plugin

[21:13:58]

sphery:

so if you had a 32-bit mozilla with 32-bit flash and a 64-bit myth/mythbrowser, it won't work

[21:14:20]

sphery:

unless you have some sort of translation layer thing

[21:14:20]

mzb:

yep

[21:14:24]

sphery:

(whatever they called that)

[21:14:55]

sphery:

and you do have Qt 4.5+ right?

[21:15:10]

mzb:

on this machine, yes ... on the MBE no

[21:15:16]

mzb:

MBE is Lenny == 4.4

[21:15:28]

sphery:

Qt 4.4 doesn't support NS plugins, TTBOMK

[21:15:38]

mzb:

great

[21:15:57]

mzb:

not sure I really want to do a dist upgrade

[21:16:30]

sphery:

well, you can upgrade when 0.23 is released an MNV is official :)

[21:16:57]

mzb:

hehe

[21:17:00]

mzb:

yeah, thanks!

[21:19:27]

mzb:

ok, got flash test running in mythbrowser (on this machine)

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mzb:

taking it's time

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sphery:

that sounds like Flash!

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mzb:

hmm .. was black/blank ... now just dark grey

[21:22:16]

mzb:

trying something else

[21:22:22]

mzb:

yay!

[21:22:25]

mzb:

cool!

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mzb:

is it possible to do fullscreen while playing?

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iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile, mythfrontend -O Theme=NameOfThemeDir

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Case sensitive?

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mzb:

hmm, some of them embed well ... others include the webpage (youtube)

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iamlindoro:

mzb, for most sites, it should already occupy the full browser window, or you can click the fullscreen button in that site's flash player

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mzb:

nice work iamlindoro

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sphery:

mzb: ttbomk, no, because the flash would steal focus and you'd be trapped

[21:25:04]

iamlindoro:

mzb, *read the documentation please*

[21:25:08]

iamlindoro:

the wiki

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Ah, yep. Case sensitive. That's why my guess didn't work. :D

[21:25:10]

sphery:

or, nvm

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mzb:

yes, remember hearing/seeing that comment (now)

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tom-davidson:

oiy! im trying to find an economical pci sound card that works with mythtv and than has internal 2-wire spdif. any suggestions? I purchased a tb riviara, but can not id the spdif pins

[21:25:58]

sphery:

EdWyse_Mobile: you should never have to do that

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sphery:

EdWyse_Mobile: why do you need to? Is Myth failing to start

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sphery:

if so, you need to upgrade to a released version of MythTV 0.22-fixes

[21:26:27]

sphery:

(i.e. you're on the broken pre-release)

[21:26:52]

mzb:

that's clever

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sid3windr:

old hardware?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

No, don't "need" to, just didn't want to go downstairs to re-scan the channels. Since I'm running over ssh I just wanted to use a 4:3 theme.

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sphery:

EdWyse_Mobile: OK... For that it's fine. Make sure you also do -O ThemePainter=qt

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iamlindoro:

mzb, clever is a dirty word in here ;)

[21:28:07]

sphery:

otherwise--if your system normally does OpenGL--it will be slow

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EdWyse_Mobile:

It's just for mythtv-setup so it doesn't matter much.

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mzb:

iamlindoro: hehe ... sounded better than "cute" ;)

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sphery:

well, the Qt transitions in the menu (and the first appearance of the menu) can take 30+ seconds--even in mythtv-setup

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sid3windr:

mzb: but myth is built on cutie... :p

[21:31:50]

Tanthrix:

I've got 4 random test recordings that I downloaded that are from an HD PVR. I tossed them into mythvideo to see how well the internal player could handle them. 3 (all from the same source) fail to play in 0.22-fixes even though they worked in 0.21, and the one that does play takes forever to seek.

[21:32:15]

mzb:

heh :)

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Tanthrix:

I imagine that if I got a real HD-PVR the files generated would have seektables making seeking faster, but I am most concerned with the 3 files that refuse to play without error.

[21:32:24]

mzb:

can't select a search result

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mzb:

menu only brings up "Search Options" (which I can't select either)

[21:33:12]

iamlindoro:

huh? Just hit enter

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mzb:

thought I'd try "Avatar"

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Cardoe:

anyone remember the ivtv channel off the top of their heads?

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mzb:

nope, doesn't do anything

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mzb:

I

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mzb:

I'll try again

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iamlindoro:

Select the buttonitem for the result, hit enter.

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iamlindoro:

it works fine

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mzb:

I'll try something else then

[21:34:18]

iamlindoro:

what you search doesn't matter at all

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mzb:

it did say "Size: Web Only" (or some such)

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iamlindoro:

which means it will open in a browser

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iamlindoro:

which is exactly what it should do

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mzb:

"Galactica" works fine

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iamlindoro:

FFS

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iamlindoro:

Avatar works fine

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Tanthrix:

Here's a pastebin of what I get with --verbose playback turned on when attempting to play back one of these test HD-PVR files. http://pastebin.com/m6b3afc4e

[21:36:03]

Tanthrix:

Anyone have any thoughts?

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iamlindoro:

And even if it was hopelessly broken, which it's not, you are using development code

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** iamlindoro is getting a little miffed **

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mzb:

ah, tmdb avatar doesn't work for me

[21:37:20]

mzb:

iamlindoro: sorry ... it's really cool

[21:37:38]

iamlindoro:

Thanks, but that's not really the point

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mzb:

just wondered if it was obvious things that I was missing, or something

[21:37:49]

iamlindoro:

You're in here trying to get support for something I commited three days ago

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mzb:

really appreciate your work _and_ help

[21:38:03]

iamlindoro:

when we are still six weeks from a release

[21:38:03]

mzb:

ok ... I'll keep quiet

[21:38:05]

mzb:

thanks anyway

[21:38:14]

iamlindoro:

and the only people equipped to help you are the two people who should be working on the code

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mzb:

sure, np

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iamlindoro:

thanks, I appreciate the understanding

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: The tmdb trailer search ONLY searches for trailers listed on the TMDB site. If you want general trailers do a YouTube search instead

[21:39:30]

mzb:

ok, thanks

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mzb:

just fyi, this means that ${WOMAN} can take me to the movies ;)

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: The tmdb trailer search was the first grabber written and was more a learning tool then a real useful search grabber.

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iamlindoro:

It is still a neat grabber, though

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mzb:

all looks pretty good. I'm in the process of negotiations with ISP to get > 1500K, but I suspect a reduction in monthly allowance to 15GB might hurt a bit if I/we get addicted to mnv ;)

[21:43:58]

sid3windr:

anyone interested in a USB-HDMICEC bridge for a little bit lower price than the one on the rainbowtech site? :)

[21:44:18]

Tanthrix:

Does anyone have any HD PVR clips recorded from a working myth HD-PVR setup they could send me? 5 seconds would do.

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wagnerrp:

depends on whats 'a little bit lower'

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sid3windr:

that depends then again on where you live :]

[21:45:16]

sid3windr:

if you're in the US I'd have to ship it to you from .be again which would cost somewhat as well ;/

[21:45:52]

sid3windr:

hmm and if you're not in the US you should be long asleep ;)

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sid3windr:

like me :)

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Tanthrix:

Fuck it, I'm just going to order the HD-PVR and hope that it all works out in the end.

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iamlindoro:

Tanthrix, watch language in here please

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sid3windr:

chuff it!

[21:46:48]

iamlindoro:

This has always been a profanity free zone and you've been around to know it

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: That's semi-news to me! (In all seriousness, I agree a full 75 percent. ;)

[21:47:51]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix, ruels linked in the topic and always have been

[21:47:53]

iamlindoro:

er rules

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iamlindoro:

But we have recently become quite serious about enforcing rules more closely, particularly those related to civility. Second offenses will include an escort out

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Tanthrix:

Good to know – I've been away from myth for quite some time. A year or two ago when I was in here, it was indeed the rules but they were hardly enforced. But, I shall change my ways in the interest of promoting family friendly discourse!

[21:50:09]

iamlindoro:

thanks

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Tanthrix:

And my HD-PVR is now ordered, from Amazon. At least that way I can return it easily if I end up not being able to get playback working smoothly.

[21:51:23]

[R]:

they have em in stock?

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Tanthrix:

With any luck, there's just something weird about these 3 test files that I have, and my recordings will be more like the fourth test file I have, which does play.

[21:51:44]

Tanthrix:

Not exactly – ship date of 1–3 weeks.

[21:52:16]

Tanthrix:

But I'd rather wait, given their awesome return policy.

[21:52:38]

[R]:

ah... looks like new egg is expecting to get some real soon too

[21:52:41]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Are you still using your HD-PVR these days? How's it working for you?

[21:52:58]

iamlindoro:

Yes, I use several, they work fine

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Tanthrix:

I remember spending quite a bit of time in here talking with you before they came out, salivating all the way. But then I chickened out and decided I didn't want to be an early adopter.

[21:55:42]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Am I correct in assuming you use vdpau? How fast is seeking for you in general? Same as mpeg2, faster, or slower?

[21:56:26]

iamlindoro:

I use VDPAU sometimes, seeking is adequate but slightly slower than MPEG-2

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Tanthrix:

I'd settle for adequate! Hopefully it will all work out nicely in the end.

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[R]:

works just fine here

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high-rez:

How do I tell myth to use audio card 1 instead of audio card 0 ? I'm being hit by the genious idea of the alsa folks to make the PC speaker a sound card underalso :/

[22:02:10]

high-rez:

e/also/alsa

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[R]:

high-rez: in the frontend you can seelct what audio device to use

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[R]:

but you could just unload the alsa drivert for your speaker

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high-rez:

R: HmmI didn't see an option to select the specific card :/

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[R]:

you can type in the alsa device string

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high-rez:

Something like this: surround50:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 ?

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[R]:

there is tons of documentation on how to figure out what device string to use

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mzb:

ok, mnv has shown me something new about the mountain outside my front door, thanks guys!

[22:06:02]

mzb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlDiuUP6Vk

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mzb:

(I've only ever walked those tracks;))

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iamlindoro:

nice ;)

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sphery:

heh, greg on the list thought of something I never would have thought of in Re: [mythtv-users] two problems – database related?

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[R]:

so i wnat to fix the channel ids for some of my channels

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[R]:

i wonder how badly i'm gonna corrupt my db

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sphery:

[R]: channel id's aren't user editable data

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sphery:

[R]: if you want to "fix" them, the right way is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

the video sources portion

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[R]:

of cours they are... step 1, open the db... step 2, change them

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oobe:

http://www.insidiousramblings.com/files/fart.tar.bz2

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high-rez:

Man I've been having the worst performance with schedules direct :/

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high-rez:

It grabs 25k of data and then just sits there for minutes.

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[R]:

what do you mean "sits there"?

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Tanthrix:

Man, some of these mythcenter theme changes were clearly change for the sake of change. Green instead of red for recordings, no more highlighting of selected recording, and my favorite, turquoise on blue for upcoming recordings. Plus all the crazy boxes on MythVideo.

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** Tanthrix has some theme tweaking to do **

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Tanthrix:

high-rez: How long have you been having issues with SD? I just did an update last night and it was speedy as always.

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iamlindoro:

They weren't mythcenter changes at all

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iamlindoro:

MythCenter as you knew it doesn't exist

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Oh? Is it because of other UI changes?

[23:08:39]

iamlindoro:

what you are using as "MythCenter" is a MythCenter menu and fallbacks to the default theme for every other screen

[23:08:54]

iamlindoro:

MythCenter never got ported (and likely never will)

[23:09:24]

iamlindoro:

It's there to give people a familiar name, and will likely get tossed once we have enough new themes

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: By fallbacks do the default theme do you mean terra? Because none of it looks anything like terra.

[23:10:30]

iamlindoro:

No, I mean default

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iamlindoro:

which is a set of fallback screens for maintained for themes that are incomplete or broken

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iamlindoro:

meant to be functional and nothing more

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high-rez:

Tanthrix: Honestly, for a very long time (months). It seems that it does a redirect after the first request, but that redirect takes /forever/.

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: So should I see a "default" for my theme options on the apperance screen, or was it decided to just call "Mythcenter" default for the sake, as you said, of a familiar name?

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iamlindoro:

neither

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iamlindoro:

default is not a selectable theme

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Tanthrix:

Gotcha,

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iamlindoro:

and MythCenter != default

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iamlindoro:

MythCenter is mythcenter, but the only part of it that actually exists is the menu. Everything else is a fallback to default

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Tanthrix:

I'm surprised that it's not going to be ported...terra is just so different compared to previous themes, I'm surprised everyone was happy with switching to it.

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iamlindoro:

None of the themers has any interest in maintaining the limited look of the old UI

[23:14:29]

iamlindoro:

like putting a taurus body on your lexus

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iamlindoro:

The way out is forward, not back

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wagnerrp:

well... except for the ones porting metallurgy and mepo

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iamlindoro:

Note how many commits there have been to metallurgy lately

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Tanthrix:

Hehe. I happen to think the old UI is pretty damned effective at what it does. I really don't like the horizontal-ness of terra at all, it seems to make things harder to use.

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iamlindoro:

You are free to write a new theme

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Tanthrix:

I suppose I could make it a project to port mythcenter, but not knowing anything about themes, it would probably take me a year or so.

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iamlindoro:

Might take a year, and unlikely to remain a core theme regardless

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iamlindoro:

ie, even if you did it, it's still not long for this project

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wagnerrp:

well... how long did it take to do graphite? and basically write the documentation in the process?

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iamlindoro:

Graphite took about seven months, Arclight was basically a four month project

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, wrote the docs as I went

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: There's actually only a few things I'm not thrilled about. (namely, the 3 things I mentioned above) Are the fallbacks hard coded, or is there some sort of xml file I could tweak for my personal use?

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Tanthrix:

(Knowing full well that such changes would be annihilated if I upgraded later)

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iamlindoro:

No, you cannot control the fallback, aside from properly theming the window in question in the theme falling back

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[R]:

does myth not search in ~/.mythtv/themes?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, too bad. Well, I feel a bit better now knowing that some of this stuff is just because no one cares about it. I was starting to question humanity thinking that someone deliberately changed the upcoming recorded shows color to turquoise on a black background ;)

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Tanthrix:

Er, turquoise on blue.

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Tanthrix:

high-rez: You should contact SD, maybe they could be of some assistance. They were great at dealing with some issues I had with bad data. Then again, they might consider the problems you're having a mythTV issue, and not be able to help.

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fastie81:

Hi guy

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fastie81:

I have a problem with my HDhomerun DVB-T that it is killing myth-setup when I am scanning for channels..

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fastie81:

it was working fine before

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fastie81:

I found this ticket where there was a patch applied that created this fault and then someone attached a new patch

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fastie81:

the status has been change from mile stone 0.22 to 0.23

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fastie81:

if there is a known problem and a fix for it why would it not be added to the myth fixes?

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fastie81:

here is the ticket

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fastie81:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7624

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chormi:

"Error: Myhtv is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"

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chormi:

please help

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chormi:

know someone by saying this by clicking on Watch TV?

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mzb:

chormi: try google, then try pastebin of your logs

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chormi:

mzb thanks for answering, which is the log directory?

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chormi:

excuse my bad English: S

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mzb:

depends on how mythtv has been installed, google helps there too

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chormi:

ok :)

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