Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 19th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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high-rez:

I'm getting NVP(1): prebuffering pause every once in whilke with vdpau. It doesn't seem to matter what profile I use – every 10 seconds or so I get that a real fast audio/video blip. Are there tuning params I should be trying ? The card is an 8600GT – which I understand is supposed to be plenty fast (faster than the ionitx I was using before...)

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea direct to vhs

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wagnerrp:

well now i dont believe that either

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wagnerrp:

they still make VHS?

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[R]:

high-rez: aside from deinterlacing... the "speed" of the card is irrlevent

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[R]:

high-rez: my ion plays perfectly

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high-rez:

Yeah I've had no problems with my ion, but my 8600GT is having occassional pauses :/

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squidly:

wagnerrp: i think in some 3rd world countries

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jgoulah:

sphery: seems something aint right http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38287

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, i was wrong... bindings problem.... i forgot i moved that formatting code into the bindings

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[R]:

are you playing the exact same content? what is it?

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sphery:

high-rez: I'd guess audio config issues

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wagnerrp:

mythfs itself is perfectly functional... :P

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah... cool. working out the issues

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squidly:

mythfs?

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** squidly googles **

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7858

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sphery:

jgoulah: try: gdb mythfrontend -c /tmp/core.1263873497.1000.17797.mythfrontend

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sphery:

squidly: mythfs is what people who currently use mythrename to rename files will be using in the future :)

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high-rez:

sphery: Any pointers on how to validate ?

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sphery:

(because mythrename.pl is going to become mythlink.pl :)

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sphery:

high-rez: it's very difficult to guess... best I can do is mention http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

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jgoulah:

sphery: better http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38288

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sphery:

(what I'm trying to say is that what you need to do outside Myth is very much system-dependent. at least the page I linked gives good advice for configuring myth)

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NightMonkey:

sphery: It's strange. When I edit keys in Setup/Edit Keys, "3" and "9" are apparently already bound to pgup and pgdown.

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NightMonkey:

But it seems to have no effect.

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NightMonkey:

(Oh, under "TV Frontend" key section)

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high-rez:

Interesting, it seems to be worse when I use 1x vs 2x.

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sphery:

jgoulah: that's great--except you seem to have cut it off right when it was getting interest--right at the point where it segfaulted...)

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** sphery goes to fix the wiki instructions **

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jgoulah:

sphery: thats literally the end

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jgoulah:

the ( completes to gdb)

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sphery:

jgoulah: can you try this for me, too: sudo gdb mythfrontend -c /tmp/core.1263873497.1000.17797.mythfrontend 2>&1 | tee mythtv_backtrace.txt

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sphery:

jgoulah: *and* do set pagination off in gdb before the "thread apply all bt"

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sphery:

jgoulah: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Using_core_files (I updated it)

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jgoulah:

ok

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sphery:

did that create a log file called: mythtv_backtrace.txt ?

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sphery:

if so, I'll put the tee into the wiki

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jgoulah:

don't think you'll find this much different http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38289

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jgoulah:

yes the tee worked

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sphery:

hmmm... OK, I guess that's all there is

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sphery:

so, anyway, fwiw, that's the /best/ plugin-related backtrace I have ever seen in my life--good job on doing it with the symbols

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sphery:

seems we have an invalid pointer in CdDecoder::getNumCDAudioTracks()

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clever:

i'm thinking its more likely a function called by that

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sphery:

ok, "problem" in

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sphery:

jgoulah: do you have a CD in the tray?

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clever:

sphery: if we get an strace log, we would know exactly what is going from kernel->userspace, which could let you reproduce it if you edit your copy to fake those replies

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sphery:

I think he did an strace first...

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sphery:

jgoulah: can you pastebin the strace output?

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sphery:

I'm wondering if there's a non-music CD in the drive and it's not handling that properly

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sphery:

jgoulah: In MythMusic General Settings , check your CD Device...

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high-rez:

Hmmf, I think it is my soundcard. It's onboard nvidia with ALC888

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squidly:

ok anyone here good with setting up a usb/serial adapter?

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high-rez:

Setting to alsa:default everything is fine. alsa:surround51 i get pauses.

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high-rez:

:/

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sphery:

high-rez: what rate is the audio?

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sphery:

32kHz?

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high-rez:

Hmmf, not sure. Is there a way to get myth to tell me ?

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sphery:

I think ffmpeg will with : ffmpeg -i /path/to/file

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jgoulah:

sphery: sorry popped away, want strace?

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high-rez:

Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, s16, 384 kb/s

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sphery:

jgoulah: first check your CD Device setting in MythMusic General Settings

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sphery:

high-rez: hmmm... I don't have any guesses, then

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high-rez:

Perhaps I'll give my alsa source a bump seewhat happens. Or try a soundblaster card next :/

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jgoulah:

sphery: /dev/cdrom

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sphery:

does that exist?

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sphery:

is it correct

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jgoulah:

it exists

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jgoulah:

i could try cdrom1 , i have two

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sphery:

are the 2 cd drives empty?

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jgoulah:

sphery: cdrom1 worked

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jgoulah:

wtf

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sphery:

probably worth trying cdrom1

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

strange

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sphery:

is there anything in cdrom0

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jgoulah:

don't think

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jgoulah:

i'd have to look

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sphery:

if there is something in there, I'd be interested to know if it works with /dev/cdrom with nothing in the drive

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sphery:

and if so, if it works with a music CD in the drive

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jgoulah:

i dont even know if i own a music cd :) but let me see if anything is in there

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jgoulah:

sphery: yeah, it appears the cdrom is heavily affecting mythmusic... it does seem something might be in one of the drives (light is blinking like busy, it wont open), the other- when I opened it the music stopped

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sphery:

jgoulah: can you eject the cd in the first drive when you exit mythfrontend?

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sphery:

it might be locking the drive

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jgoulah:

sphery: nope, not sure what its doing.. no worries though, at least mythmusic works now

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sphery:

Woah... Changing channel priorities changes which shows are recorded. If only there were someone who kept saying over and over that people shouldn't change channel and input priorities unless they read and understand all of section 12 of the HOWTO...

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sphery:

jgoulah: OK. Glad we got it working. And, unless we can get more info on what may be messed up, we'll have to assume it's a non-Myth problem.

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jgoulah:

sphery: so ejecting your drive doesn't control your music? :)

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sphery:

(Seems to be in the libs reading the CD device, anyway)

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jgoulah:

sphery: fair enough..

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sphery:

jgoulah: I'm wondering if your drive may be non-functional (or plugged in wrong or something)

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jgoulah:

honestly its totally possible, i rarely use optical media

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jgoulah:

thats why the drive affecting my music doesn't bother me

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jgoulah:

now that I can actually select it :)

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jgoulah:

sphery: on that note, bedtime, but thank you much for the help, im happy to have gotten it working

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sphery:

enjoy, I hope the new-found functionality is music to your ears

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** RyeBrye admits to changing input priorities **

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RyeBrye:

I'm not sure if the HD priority was inplace when I did it though. I could probably set them back to normal and use that (since I just made my HD tuners a higher priority I think) – although I haven't had any problems with it in my setup

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squidly:

how can I kill a frontend's use of an input..

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wagnerrp:

why do cops on tv always test for drugs by tasting them?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: because actors are stupid

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wagnerrp:

i mean that seems like a singularly bad idea

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea it is.. what if that "coke" turned out to be cynaide

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wagnerrp:

what if that white powder is actually anthax

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt feel so impressed with yourself then

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Loto:

cause they're checking if its good enough to keep

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Loto:

jeeze

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Loto:

dont you know anything???

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Loto:

oh wait thats RL not TV haha

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sphery:

RyeBrye: even HDTV priority affects which shows you record--basically the same as channel priorities, but only for shows marked as HDTV in listings

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RyeBrye:

right

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sphery:

IMHO, all priroties save rule priorities are evil

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sphery:

most people don't notice when they cause issues, but when they do, they talk like Myth is broken, but it's doing exactly what they've said

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Dagmar:

Argh.

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Dagmar:

Looks like I'll have to remove the channels which have non-HD duplicates from my lineup

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[R]:

huh?

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Dagmar:

It's picking stupid channels

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Dagmar:

For example, Comedy Central HD is on 260

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[R]:

what?

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Dagmar:

Going through MythWeb (or the console) to tell it to record one show per day, by clicking on the one for that channel, it'll record on channel 60 every time.

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Dagmar:

Channel 60, the SD version.

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Dagmar:

It knows they're the same show.

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clever:

isnt there an hdtv only flag in the rule?

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Dagmar:

I thought I remember hearing something about that

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clever:

and the hdtv prio that sphery mentioned just an hour ago

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Dagmar:

clever: Have you seen an HDTV-only rule anywhere?

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[R]:

i dont have any non-hd channels that are duplicates of my hd channels unless the timezone is differnet

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clever:

i thought i saw one somewhere, dont remember exactly

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Dagmar:

Here they're still shipping out analog

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Dagmar:

So if you get the extended digital, the same STB also gets you all the analogs as well

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clever:

lots of 480i digital channels here also, and i cant capture digital yet anyways

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Dagmar:

Once I've nuked the analog channels from the digital lineup, it should behave correctly by falling back to the PVR-500 if it needs to

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clever:

ah

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Dagmar:

...because the rule telling it to prefer that tuner, OR the fact that I've downranked both the pvr-500 inputs should sort it

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clever:

yeah

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Dagmar:

I'm just a little irked that I can set up that rule and it'll pick channel 60 instead of 260

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Dagmar:

Trying to figure out what's up with the passthru SPDIF

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Dagmar:

Either it's not working or my TV is expecting the SPDIF input will be shared with HDMI or something

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Dagmar:

I've got plastic fiber connecting the STB to the HD-PVR, and the HD-PVR to the TV

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Dagmar:

I thought at first it wasn't getting audio, but no... when I open the captured files in WMP it definitely shows the little logo in the corner saying "fancy audio found"

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Dagmar:

clever: The fun thing is that this box definitely needs an 8400 stuck in it

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Dagmar:

I can play the files on my PC, but they won't play on the frontend withou VDPAU heh

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Dagmar:

It tries "valiantly" and fails

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clever:

ive got a few blu-ray samples that just cripple both vdpau and software decoding

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[R]:

vdpau is made for bluray

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[R]:

so you're doing something wrong

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Dagmar:

No, I'm not.

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Dagmar:

h.264 decoding needs it.

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clever:

[vdpau] Error when calling vdp_video_mixer_render: An invalid handle value was provided.

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Dagmar:

I figured I'd have this issue going into it

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clever:

[vdpau] Failed VDPAU decoder rendering: An invalid handle value was provided.

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clever:

200 times over

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[R]:

Dagmar: not you

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Dagmar:

clever: which codec are they using?

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clever:

Selected video codec: [ffh264vdpau] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264 (VDPAU))

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clever:

VDec: vo config request – 1920 x 1080 (preferred colorspace: H.264 VDPAU acceleration)

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clever:

VO: [vdpau] 1920x1080 => 1920x1080 H.264 VDPAU acceleration

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Dagmar:

Weird.

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Dagmar:

I thought it might be VC-1

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Dagmar:

What video card are you using?

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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Dagmar:

That doesn't support VDPAU apparently.

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Dagmar:

No wait, I see it lower in the list

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clever:

yet vdpau works just fine on most files

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Dagmar:

Hmm... feature set A. It should work.

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clever:

the only problem ive been having with vdpau

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clever:

if it cant handle the codec, it will software decode, then vdpau render

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clever:

causing it to use double the cpu power

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clever:

so i have to give mplayer an override to force xv and software decode

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Dagmar:

If it were actually VC-1 somehow, that would fail

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clever:

ID_VIDEO_FORMAT=avc1

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clever:

VIDEO: [avc1] 1920x1080 24bpp 23.976 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)

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Dagmar:

Weird.

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clever:

ID_VIDEO_CODEC=ffh264

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Dagmar:

That card only supports _partial_ decel of vc-1

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clever:

its both vc-1 and h264 :S

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Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs

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Dagmar:

I didnt' know that was even possible

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clever:

acording to -identify on mplayer, they are seperate areas of the compression:S

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clever:

i'll just go with the 720 version, the laptop cant even handle 1080 without downscalling it

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alakhia:

hi

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alakhia:

i've built a settop box and having random grey screens

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alakhia:

the screen becomes completely grey (no cursor, task bar, etc)

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alakhia:

typing Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't take me to console either

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it's just crashing the whole machine to me

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Dagmar:

Can you ssh back into it when this happens?

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alakhia:

since this is a new machine, is it hardware related or software?

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alakhia:

i haven't tried ssh

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Dagmar:

That'll let you know if the whole machine crashed, or just X

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alakhia:

will have to wait until the next time it turns grey

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clever:

another crash ive seen is where ping works and it answers the SYN for ssh, but ssh itself never connects

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alakhia:

i tried myth, chakra live cd

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alakhia:

both use nvidia driver

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alakhia:

i tried two different versions of driver but that didn't help

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alakhia:

ok, i'll wait until it grey's out again and find out if i can ping and/or ssh to it or not

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alakhia:

i also ran memtest on it and that passed

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alakhia:

one cycle

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alakhia:

ok, thanks guys for the ideas

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alakhia:

i'll be back

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alakhia:

bye

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Tanthrix:

I don't suppose anyone in here is an expert on the samba / CIFS client for mounting windows shares...

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justinh:

Tanthrix: I thought the whole point is that you don't need to be an expert ;-)

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Tanthrix:

justinh: True enough. I've got some weird issues going on though, things at a level low enough that I'm not not quite sure how to proceed.

[05:01:53]

Tanthrix:

justinh: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-cli . . . /005512.html (If you're bored and curious...)

[05:03:31]

justinh:

I stopped using samba from windows to linux.. my server was hanging when the samba share became unavailable :-\

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justinh:

opted just to bosh all the stuff onto the linux box instead. much more reliable that way

[05:04:29]

justinh:

I've never really understood SMB btw, I just smack it with my hammer til it sort of works

[05:04:52]

Tanthrix:

I may end up just doing that, especially since I've got a gigabit switch coming on Wednesday.

[05:05:46]

justinh:

CUPS does my frickin head in. all our windows machines can see the printer, print to it.. but can we hell check the status. needs admin privs to see your own print status ffs

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Tanthrix:

Linux printing is luckily something I've never had the need or want to get into. I can imagine it's fun.

[05:06:26]

justinh:

and I'm pretty sure my samba network stuff is dangerous or ill-advised but it 'just works' so I don't peek into it very deeply

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Tanthrix:

Do not ever look behind the curtain.

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justinh:

Tanthrix: heh that's a bit of a weird issue but I suspect it'll turn out to be samba version differences or something

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justinh:

I wouldn't mind knowing WTH ubuntu's 'share this folder' actually does, cos it doesn't set up NFS or SMB exports

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Yah, that's what I'm b beginning to think. I just hope there is a way around it, because it is seriously slowing down MythVideo.

[05:09:38]

justinh:

FWIW I'd just bosh it on the head & go with NFS throughout

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octavsly:

NFS and autofs

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justinh:

I think samba produces a lot of traffic on its own even when you're not doing anything with it

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Tanthrix:

I don't suppose there is some nice OSS nfs file server for Windows...

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Tanthrix:

All my media is on my windows machine, and the drive is currently intertwined enough that I could not just yank it out and stick it in my be/fe. That would require purchasing a new drive, and I've already spent enough lately.

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justinh:

there's Windows For Unix services but you can bet they're not OSS ;)

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Tanthrix:

Can you setup an NFS share with that?

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justinh:

apparently

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justinh:

I've no idea if they include it these days though

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stuarta:

i think you have to download it as an addon

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stuarta:

and they hide it pretty well

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justinh:

looks like they stopped updating it in 2006

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justinh:

they support up to XP

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Tanthrix:

I'm running 7 x64, so I suppose I'm out of luck.

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stuarta:

you'll just have to go digging

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justinh:

there might even be a sshfs server available at a push

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justinh:

but that's more overhead you don't want

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Tanthrix:

Sounds messy. I think if I end up being pressed, I'd rather just buy a new 2TB drive and get everything on the myth box.

[05:17:59]

Tanthrix:

Hopefully the cifs guys will come through on the mailinglist, now that I've given them a bit more info to work with.

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justinh:

one day, when I become a programming wiz I'll be able to dump windows.. all I really need is something that does what Ableton Live can do.. oh and a totally non-sucky multitrack audio/video editor. And the moon. On a stick

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Tanthrix:

Just use wine! It works great for low latency audio apps of severe complexity.

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justinh:

ableton in wine?

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justinh:

with ASIO? I doubt it

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Tanthrix:

Oh c'mon, you didn't notice that dripping sarcasm?

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Tanthrix:

;)

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

ok then all I need is an *affordable* macbook that'll run Ableton without any trouble :D

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justinh:

macs can mount nfs right?

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justinh:

maybe the only thing holding linux audio apps back for me is the lack of an engine better than libsoundtouch

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AndyCap:

justinh: wait and see if they roll out any new hotness soon?

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AndyCap:

justinh: then get the previous model

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AndyCap:

and SMB won't generate much traffic, but NMBD will hold regular elections and all that crap.

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AndyCap:

since netbios over tcp works as a dysfunctional democracy.

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ivor:

Tanthrix: just make a cifs mount to a share on the windows machine.

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Tanthrix:

ivor: Hrm?

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AndyCap:

man mount.cifs

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ivor:

didn't read all the backlog. but you mentio having media on the windows machine you want to access from linux.

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ivor:

just share from windows and "mount -t cifs" to the share.

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Tanthrix:

Aye, but the problem I'm having is one of traversal time. The mount works fine otherwise.

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AndyCap:

But if you let it talk to a samba server instead of a windows server it all goes down the tubes. Since the samba smb unix extensions gives you the worst of nfs and smb.

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Tanthrix:

Have a look at this: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-cli . . . /005512.html

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Tanthrix:

Quite the conundrum.

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ivor:

clearly the ubuntu machine is doing something silly. :)

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, so I noticed.

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Tanthrix:

Tried it on two different machines, so it's definately not a hardware issue. Could just be something with the newer cifs client.

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ivor_:

Tanthrix: guess the samba guys will solve it for you but clearly the difference there is that the archlinux client it processing each directory at a tie with a single call

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ivor_:

whereas the ubuntu one it processing each file separately.

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Tanthrix:

ivor_: The question is why. I wondering if it's just a difference between the older client version and the newer client, which might mean that I'm screwed/

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Fleck:

can mythtv change monitors refresh rate by played content fps

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Fleck:

?

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Fleck:

for example – bbc planet earth is in 23.9 fps, so i need to set my tv refresh rate to 23Hz and it plays OK then

[06:31:09]

Fleck:

but, SAT tv here are 25fps, so i need 25Hz or 50Hz

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Fleck:

NTSC movies – 30Hz or 60Hz etc etc

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justinh:

23 Hz? thought it was 24

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Fleck:

nah, when i set to 24Hz – i get stuttering

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Fleck:

when to 23 – perfect ;)

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justinh:

weird

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Tanthrix:

Define stuttering.

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Fleck:

no, when i view refresh rate – i can see it's 23.9 :)

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justinh:

IMHO, 24FPS is a regression, not progress in technology :D

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Fleck:

justinh anyway – whatever i set i get unsmooth video... only 23Hz works OK

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Fleck:

tried 24, 25, 29, 30, 50, 59, 60Hz – noone is OK with BBC planet earth

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Fleck:

but i switch to SAT tv, there are 25fps... so i need to switch to 25Hz or 50Hz

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Tanthrix:

Fleck: Are you referring to that nearly imperceptible judder that you get from watching 24 fps material on a non-24fps divisible refresh rate, or like major stuttering of the picture?

[06:37:26]

Fleck:

Tanthrix maybe dunno how to define

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justinh:

slight jerky motion seen on slow pan shots etyc

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Fleck:

yes

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justinh:

but the video otherwise looks smooth, that's a FPS rounding issue

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justinh:

.. which is why I detest 24P

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Tanthrix:

Like, so slight that anyone but a compulsive geeky person like most of us here wouldn't ever notice in a million years? Or slight that most people would notice?

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Fleck:

Tanthrix as my dad said to me – noone will notice this :) so i guess first variant ;)

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Fleck:

first case

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justinh:

why on earth they didn't move film to higher rates years ago.. 25fps would've been better.. maybe less likely to have 3 hour long movies too :D

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Tanthrix:

K, that is what I was referring to then. I thought the standard rule in PAL areas was to just playback 4 percent faster to get even 25 percent, thereby avoiding judder?

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justinh:

for film it's prolly a framerate to footage tradeoff

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Tanthrix:

er, even 25 fps

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justinh:

Tanthrix: some people are really anal about musical pitch ;)

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Fleck:

Tanthrix well yes, but this doesn't help in 60Hz

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Tanthrix:

Well, only the 0.001 percent of the population that has perfect bitch. Everyone else should be OK. ;)

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Fleck:

and yes this incrase tone

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Tanthrix:

Er, perfect pitch.

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justinh:

Tanthrix: AFAIK I don't have perfect pitch either but I can tell when music is the wrong speed

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Fleck:

sadly i am sound engineer ;(

[06:41:58]

justinh:

even 2% either way

[06:42:04]

Tanthrix:

I can too, though I can live with it much better than judder.

[06:42:27]

justinh:

heh I'd rather it be too high/low pitch than timestretched with libsoundtouch

[06:42:30]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Anyway, as far as I know, myth cannot change refresh rates. You might be able to hack something together with mythvideo though.

[06:42:48]

justinh:

AFAIK there are patches for trunk to support this

[06:42:48]

Fleck:

Tanthrix anyway – xorg doesn't seems to understand my TV refresh rates and i cannot set it to 50hz even

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Fleck:

something hacked in xorg.conf – now i got 50Hz but then again – cannot set 23 ;P_

[06:43:38]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: If you can find a way to change refresh rates on the fly, you could create arbitrary file types in mythvideo that excute the proper command to change the refresh, playback your video with mplayer, then change it back when you're done.

[06:44:02]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: You'd have to rename your files based on their FPS though, which could be annoying.\

[06:44:05]

justinh:

if playback profiles can operate on framerate that'd be the way to go too

[06:44:08]

Fleck:

ohh sounds difficult ;)

[06:44:33]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Just get yourself a set that can do 120 hz native, and you'll be set for life. ;)

[06:44:44]

Fleck:

hehe

[06:45:18]

Tanthrix:

Don't know if any of those actually exist though..I seem to recall reading that all the sets that say 120hz do some sort of trickery to obtain it

[06:45:20]

Fleck:

on 120Hz there is no FPS problems?

[06:46:03]

justinh:

http://www.avenard.org/media/Patches_%26_Add- . . . pdate_2.html

[06:46:03]

Tanthrix:

Well, 120hz is evenly divisible by 24, 30, and 60 so you can watch all film content without the judder.

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Fleck:

Tanthrix moustly here are 23.9 and 25

[06:46:56]

Tanthrix:

23.9 = 24

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justinh:

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Tanthrix:

As for pal content, then you're screwed I suppose.

[06:47:27]

Fleck:

Tanthrix as i said before – i have to set my TV to 23Hz for 23.9

[06:47:46]

Tanthrix:

And as justinh said, that's weird.

[06:48:27]

justinh:

and as I said previously see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5643#comment:5

[06:48:37]

justinh:

so it's not yet in mythtv but might make it soon

[06:48:42]

Tanthrix:

Spiffy.

[06:48:51]

justinh:

couldn't care either way TBH

[06:49:16]

justinh:

"now you can watch movies with movement as jerky as in the cinema" YAY :-\

[06:49:42]

justinh:

takes me ages to get used to 24fps

[06:49:48]

Tanthrix:

justinh: Watching a film on a 50/60hz tv does nothing to make it more jerky. All it introduces is judder.

[06:50:11]

justinh:

no I mean when I go see a 24FPS movie at a cinema it looks jerky to me

[06:50:18]

Tanthrix:

Better to watch it natively to avoid that. But I agree, everything ought to be 60fps

[06:50:19]

Tanthrix:

Oh, gotcha.

[06:50:35]

justinh:

that is, once my eyes get used to the shutter flicker

[06:50:56]

justinh:

it's not *that* noticable but once you do...

[06:51:44]

Tanthrix:

Glad I've never been able to spot that ;)

[06:51:49]

justinh:

just a shame the majority of everything digitally shot at > 24FPS is utter crap

[06:51:55]

Tanthrix:

Then again, I loath theaters nowadays, so it's a non-issue.

[06:52:07]

justinh:

Tanthrix: the flicker tends to wear off after a couple of minutes

[06:52:34]

justinh:

but pans etc always look slightly less than fluid

[06:53:07]

Fleck:

ok seems that xbmc is able to automatically adjust refresh rate

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justinh:

groan

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Fleck:

and it's 23 not 24...

[06:53:29]

Fleck:

i am not the only one who says so ;)

[06:53:30]

justinh:

it's 24

[06:53:41]

justinh:

24fps (23.9something)

[06:53:46]

Fleck:

nope ;)

[06:53:51]

justinh:

it fricking IS

[06:54:01]

Tanthrix:

Seriously, go read wikipedia.

[06:54:11]

Fleck:

when set to 24Hz, refreshrate is 24+ Hz

[06:54:32]

Fleck:

Tanthrix what is wiki? who wrote it? nobody knows

[06:54:32]

justinh:

23.976Hz actually

[06:54:42]

Fleck:

maybe someone like you :)

[06:54:45]

justinh:

not just on wikipedia

[06:55:01]

Fleck:

who THINKS it's 24Hz, i tested it, i have facts ;)

[06:55:08]

justinh:

you're WRONG

[06:55:22]

justinh:

not by much but still

[06:55:35]

justinh:

and the longer you go on insisting it... the less likely I am to contest it

[06:55:37]

Fleck:

maybe, but this is reality, you have only words :/

[06:55:42]

justinh:

MUH

[06:56:08]

justinh:

ok then Einstein. Where did you get your info?

[06:56:26]

Fleck:

justinh i did experiment by my self ;)

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justinh:

riiiight

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Fleck:

tried "on my own skin" :P

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Tanthrix:

Fleck: Your weird monitor and some pirated rip you have does not an experiment make.

[06:56:54]

Fleck:

justinh, Tanthrix ok forget, never mind ;)

[06:56:56]

justinh:

go edit wikipedia then :D

[06:57:03]

justinh:

put them right!

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Fleck:

Tanthrix well, i have original BBC BD disk ;)

[06:58:03]

justinh:

not like any media investigation tools have ever been prone to rounding errors eh

[06:58:04]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: 35mm film is filmed at 23.976 frames per second, commonly referred to as 24 fps, and it has been for ages now. You can verify this pretty much anywhere.

[06:58:37]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: And all the newer digital cams that do 24 fps mode match this old standard as well.

[06:58:53]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Why your montor looks better at 23 hz rather than 24 hz does not change this.

[06:59:01]

Fleck:

Tanthrix ok but when i set TV to 24Hz, refreshe rate displays 24+ Hz... when i set it to 23 i get 23.9Hz

[06:59:36]

justinh:

so something is screwed up there, who knows what

[06:59:36]

justinh:

but hey if it works don't split hairs

[06:59:36]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: And as we've said, that is a weird quirk of your monitor or video card. Nothing more.

[06:59:44]

justinh:

it doesn't mean the content IS 23fps :)

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Tanthrix:

Precisely.

[07:00:00]

justinh:

just that "it looks best when your teevee reports it's working at 23FPS"

[07:00:01]

Fleck:

it's not, it's 23.9fps :D

[07:00:15]

justinh:

whatever

[07:00:57]

Fleck:

justinh no, my tv stills says it's 24Hz, control panel says 23, when i view real time refresh rate when playing BBC PE video – it says 23.9Hz :)

[07:01:30]

justinh:

so *something* is reporting *something* *WRONGLY* somewhere

[07:01:42]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Bottom line, back to your issue, you have two options: Get svn and get the patch working that justinh linked you to, or setup your own filetypes in mythvideo to do it for you.

[07:01:59]

justinh:

or just begger orf & use XBMC. Have a nice day

[07:03:59]

Tanthrix:

justinh: What we really need are 600hz sets. They could do film, pal, and ntsc natively! ;)

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justinh:

I wish we lived in a world where there were maybe two framerates

[07:06:37]

justinh:

moving to digital & HD was the *ideal* opportunity to standardise framerates & resolutions. Whoops

[07:07:02]

Fleck:

justinh, Tanthrix don't be angry at me, i just say what i have tested, and i am not the only one who says that 23Hz works smoother... nothing more... sorry guys

[07:07:17]

Tanthrix:

I have a dream...that one day, we will have only 2 standard frame rates, metric/SI units of measurement, and the elimination of all philips screwdrivers from existence!

[07:07:26]

justinh:

Fleck: we keep saying that it's NOT 23HZ – it's just *reported* as that

[07:07:39]

justinh:

or whatever

[07:07:41]

Fleck:

ok :) it's not ;)

[07:07:52]

justinh:

it doesn't mean the *content* is 23FPS

[07:07:55]

justinh:

not by any stretch

[07:08:09]

Tanthrix:

justinh: Yah, that was a serious screw up. I really wish they would have done away with interlacing, for instance.

[07:08:15]

justinh:

you can't come into an IRC channel & start arguing that black is white

[07:08:39]

justinh:

Tanthrix: oh and y'know.. like a *world* TV standard.. stuff like that

[07:09:02]

justinh:

part of the reason analogue HD never happened was that nobody could agree on any aspect of it

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Pretty typical of just about anything involving standards, unfortunately.

[07:11:51]

Fleck:

justinh btw, where did i say it's 23fps?

[07:12:08]

Fleck:

i mean where did i say that white is black

[07:12:15]

Fleck:

or vice versa

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justinh:

you said it only looks fine at 23 so therefore must be

[07:12:38]

Fleck:

i did not say second part...

[07:12:42]

Fleck:

only first

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justinh:

you blimmin did

[07:13:00]

Fleck:

where? :)

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[07:13:06]

justinh:

"10:53 < Fleck> and it's 23 not 24..."

[07:13:55]

justinh:

anyhow, I'm out of this discussion. It's genuinely not going anywhere

[07:13:58]

Tanthrix:

Well, I'm off to bed. Later justinh. Don't fleck around too much on here, it's not good for your blood pressure

[07:14:08]

** Tanthrix tips his hat **

[07:14:15]

justinh:

laters, Tanthrix

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Tanthrix is now known as Tanthrix_AFK

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Fleck:

:)

[07:14:30]

Fleck:

bye Tanthrix_AFK

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justinh:

bye Fleck KTHXBAI

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sid3windr:

anyone know if Pinnacle 7010iX is a useful card?

[07:24:10]

sid3windr:

2x analog/dvb-t + 2x dvb-s :o

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justinh:

maybe not, noting who it's made by

[07:27:08]

justinh:

what does the linuxtv wiki say?

[07:27:25]

sid3windr:

now now

[07:27:29]

sid3windr:

you know I was being lazy

[07:27:35]

justinh:

and?

[07:27:38]

sid3windr:

so you know I was still on my way to opening it!

[07:27:48]

justinh:

and?

[07:27:51]

sid3windr:

my current dvb-t card is from pinnacle and works fine in linux/myth btw ;)

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justinh:

the v4l dvb wiki doesn't list that card

[07:28:27]

justinh:

so next it's a case of seach their mailing lists

[07:28:39]

sid3windr:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_7010iX ;/

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justinh:

OK SMARTASS

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justinh:

!trout sid3windr

[07:29:05]

** MythLogBot slaps sid3windr with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

[07:29:07]

sid3windr:

:-)

[07:29:40]

justinh:

actually that page says nothing about it working

[07:29:43]

sid3windr:

indeed

[07:29:48]

sid3windr:

nothing about it not working either

[07:29:58]

sid3windr:

I'm looking at the individual chips mentioned there

[07:30:03]

sid3windr:

to see if they are somehow supported

[07:30:07]

sid3windr:

but I think it's going to be nada ;)

[07:30:16]

justinh:

you could prolly assume that since it's only an lspci listing... that it doesn't work yet

[07:30:28]

sid3windr:

yea

[07:30:41]

justinh:

but it might, if it's been worked on off-wiki (always likely) & is in Hg

[07:30:42]

sid3windr:

and "software analog" sounds suspiciously like framegrabber to me somehow :)

[07:31:29]

justinh:

still though, dual dvb-t/ dvb-s would come in handy

[07:32:14]

sid3windr:

yup

[07:32:29]

sid3windr:

still 4 tuners on one pci slot :)

[07:32:37]

sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

4x 8x multirec

[07:32:51]

sid3windr:

= pci exlodes? ;)

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sid3windr:

+p somewhere

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sid3windr:

oh hmm it's pci express even

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justinh:

might be worth looking in linuxtv Hg.. found a couple of mailing list messages saying there was experimental support for the chips used

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sid3windr:

:-)

[07:51:01]

sid3windr:

yeah I'll look around some more

[07:51:11]

sid3windr:

I see it on ebay for 74 pounds but also for 39 eur

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sid3windr:

so if you or anyone might be interested, go for the 39 eur one :p

[07:51:43]

sid3windr:

that's my ebay disease, was buying 2 new x10 remotes for my frontends and clicked "view more from seller"

[07:51:46]

sid3windr:

;/

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justinh:

not named in http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/file/cdcf089168 . . . vb/cards.txt

[07:55:40]

sid3windr:

TDA10046A is supported by tda1004x but SAA7162E/R5/G might be a problem

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sid3windr:

however I guess there should be a chance to get this going

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sid3windr:

with perhaps some help from #linuxtv :)

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sid3windr:

*ponder*

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justinh:

sid3windr: it'll certainly make a nice card if it ever works :-)

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Fleck:

justinh btw, how to get ridge of that judder when refreshrate matches fps ?

[08:34:54]

justinh:

that NXP have some stuff available without NDA leads me to think they're outsourcing design

[08:38:15]

justinh:

hang on... saa7162 you say...

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justinh:

rings a bell in this place

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sid3windr:

it does? :)

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justinh:

yeah but even if we do use it here & I was able to lay hands on the docs...

[08:42:41]

sid3windr:

well there is a 716x driver for linux

[08:42:53]

sid3windr:

and it should support it

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sid3windr:

according to google

[08:43:04]

sid3windr:

but it likely "just" needs a definition for that board

[08:43:06]

sid3windr:

"or something"

[08:43:41]

justinh:

the other dual hybrid card of theirs uses the same chip

[08:43:53]

justinh:

that doesn't work in linux either AFAICT

[08:46:06]

justinh:

ahh some posts say it works now, saa7162

[08:46:26]

justinh:

searching those lists is a frickin nightmare

[08:46:43]

sid3windr:

:-)

[08:46:48]

sid3windr:

I think I'll buy it :]

[08:47:10]

sid3windr:

though it's not supported yet, it may be easy to fix that

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justinh:

looks like development is ongoing though

[08:47:46]

justinh:

37 hours ago: http://jusst.de/hg/saa716x/rev/e5e7e2f8cfb7

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sid3windr:

:)

[08:52:40]

justinh:

I still think it's weird how tuners don't have any IF cans onboard these days

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justinh:

Oh man, how could I have overlooked this gem? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/avatar_blues/

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sid3windr:

IF cans?

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sid3windr:

yea that was a hilarious post ;)

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justinh:

sid3windr: aye, big bulky metal canned inductors & stuff

[09:00:15]

sid3windr:

oh :)

[09:00:39]

sid3windr:

as found on some video cards?

[09:00:39]

sid3windr:

or something else

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** sid3windr not very electrotechnical **

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justinh:

as in the tuners of the olden days

[09:00:56]

justinh:

when everything was analogue

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sid3windr:

hmm

[09:01:09]

justinh:

before DSPs were in everything

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sid3windr:

so older than my wintv pci ;)

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justinh:

nah, the metal can of your wintv tuner card will have IF cans inside it

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

:)

[09:01:47]

sid3windr:

haven't opened it :)

[09:01:56]

sid3windr:

it was still in use until a few months ago

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justinh:

you mean you've never had one apart & you call yourself a geek? ;-)

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sid3windr:

10 y + old

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sid3windr:

:p

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sid3windr:

I only open stuff that's broken

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justinh:

so do I. I'll leave you to guess which order it happens ;-)

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jlanzac:

hi

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jlanzac:

I would like to make a couple of questions

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jlanzac:

I have some videos in hard drvies and I plug and mount them into my linux machine

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jlanzac:

the issue is, is it possible to include /media/disk as an storage group? Is there any big problem?

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justinh:

depends how you plan to access those videos

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_abbenormal:

no

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justinh:

you can't just stuff them into your 'recordings' list

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justinh:

but if you use mythvideo which is designed for the job...

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jlanzac:

justinh it is just for movies and series I have stored in external hard drives

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jlanzac:

the recordings will be always done in the main disk... and after a while is I want to, moved to another external HD

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justinh:

so you need mythvideo then. and yes it's easy to just assign the drive mount point to a storage group

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justinh:

but remember you can't play ISO images over storage groups

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BobLfoot_:

I am getting the error "location not found" from mplayer when trying to watch streaming asx from upstream of my router {WAN side}. Everything works on the LAN side and I'm getting into the mythweb box and getting the management webpage. Just a problem when I try to view a video. Thoughts?

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jlanzac:

yes I know that

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jlanzac:

the issue is that right now I don't know how to play anything else out of the storage groups

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jlanzac:

is it possible with mythvide?

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justinh:

huh?

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jlanzac:

I mean.. now I have all my files in directories under storages groups

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justinh:

you set a storage group (or groups) to use with mythvideo, scan for changes.. bada bing

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jlanzac:

yes...

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justinh:

then they magically appear & you can play them

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jlanzac:

but is it possible to play videos not defined under the storage groups directories?

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justinh:

course it isn't

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justinh:

why would it be?

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justinh:

you can define a storage group to contain more than one directory I think

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jlanzac:

if you look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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jlanzac:

in local video storage section they claim it is possible

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justinh:

so why the hell did you ask?

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justinh:

fair play I guess.. you did read it in a wiki...

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jlanzac:

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jlanzac:

this is why I ask...

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justinh:

but if you ONLY define a storage group then you CANNOT read stuff outside of the group

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justinh:

didn't manage to make it working? what does that mean?

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justinh:

does it mean you saw files there but they would not play?

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justinh:

or does it mean that it saw no files?

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justinh:

que?

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jlanzac:

spanish?

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justinh:

explain what you mean by "it doesn't work"

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jlanzac:

I don't get to see the files in the Local Video Storage

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jlanzac:

I have an storage group under /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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jlanzac:

and then I want to include a local video stroage under /home/username

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jlanzac:

and I want to play files in both places

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jlanzac:

and get the remote info -pictures, info,...- (when you press 'w')

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jlanzac:

but I guess if you have storage groups you cannot have local?

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jlanzac:

am I right?

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ivor:

hmmm, wonder if my severs are ok at home.... main machine dropped off the network twice this morning and cctv box is rebooting every 10 minutes. :( very odd.

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ivor:

probably get home and find them in 2 inches of water.

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j-rod:

I wonder... could commflagging be adapted to only show me the actual ACTION parts of a football game?

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j-rod:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274 . . . 5561406.html

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j-rod:

oh wait. I don't really give a damn about nfl football anyway.

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AndyCap:

j-rod: haha, and I thought soccer was boring.

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Fleck:

justinh how do you know clock frequency?

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j-rod:

AndyCap: see, I find quite the opposite, I really like watching EPL games

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j-rod:

Chelsea v. Sunderland this past weekend was fantastic

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j-rod:

(unless you support Sunderland, in which case, it was probably rather depressing)

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j-rod:

I actually play a LOT of soccer myself, which makes the games more interesting

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wagnerrp:

Fleck: if for some reason you dont know what your processor is, you can 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'

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Fleck:

wagnerrp thanks, it's modeline i need to generate ;)

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Fleck:

xrandr doesn't show me 1980x1080@24Hz

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wagnerrp:

you dont use CPU speed for modelines

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Fleck:

so i need cutom modeline o guess

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Fleck:

*i guess

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Fleck:

wagnerrp no it's a pixel clock :)

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keith4:

are there any extremely-compelling reasons to upgrade to .22?

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keith4:

i just got my .21 setup working smoothly again, after my cable co went digital-only and moved all of their channels again

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stuartm:

keith4: that's a judgement call that only you can make

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keith4:

if there were one new feature that qualifies as "you NEED this"... what would it be? i'm looking over the new features list, and nothing really jumps out at me

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wagnerrp:

new ui, significantly improved mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

but there arent many themes for the new ui

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wagnerrp:

and 0.23 is due out at the end of february

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wagnerrp:

if you havent transitioned yet, you may just want to wait

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keith4:

hmmm. excellent point

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stuartm:

if you don't want the new UI, vdpau, hdpvr support, improved player code etc then no – and I'd rather you stuck with 0.21 if it makes you happy than upgrade to 0.22 only to complain about it (as some have done)

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keith4:

complain about the upgrade process? or about the end result?

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keith4:

yah... vdpau will be amazing, next time i need a new frontend

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if your cableco moved to digital, HDPVR support may be very compelling

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stuartm:

there were improvements in 0.22 that not everyone was happy with, they wanted new features but didn't want change

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keith4:

at this point, i'm able to get amazing results with firewire. but yes, they may crank up their jerk-o-meter again and break that

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keith4:

i think the woman is finally not annoyed at quirkiness, too. (i had to patch 6200ch to allow 4-digit channels) i guess i shouldn't discount that factor

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Nice patch, compelling title

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iamlindoro:

;)

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stuartm:

am I the only one who thought of a patch which increased max seek speed to 60x?

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iamlindoro:

I guess it made sense right off the bad to me because I had talked to him about it

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iamlindoro:

er right off the bat

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keith4:

alright, i'll hold off. thanks wagnerrp and stuartm

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elmojo:

I thought the subject for the ticket sounded ok

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iamlindoro:

I think it's fine

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wagnerrp:

nah, a 'compelling title' would have been something like '[PATCH] Improve MPEG-TS seeking performance for great justice'

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elmojo:

Wrong "English" I guess ;)

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CyberKnet:

does anyone remember the name of the website that polls svn for projects and calculates the 'cost' / 'value' of the code/markup in the project? I can't remember it for the life of me for some reason...

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iamlindoro:

ohloh

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CyberKnet:

aah!

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CyberKnet:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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CyberKnet:

No idea why I couldn't remember that.

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iamlindoro:

horrible site, though

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iamlindoro:

svnsearch is a much better view of who is actually doing work/what they're doing/etc.

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: Did you get my message the other week about getting the box of stuff?

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Dibblah:

Oh, goodness. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 35?page=last

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wagnerrp:

brian is my hero

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sphery:

3M lines of "Temp too high"

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sphery:

wonder what it's trying to say...

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: it's too cold in his chassis.

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sphery:

ah, I see...

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sphery:

these kernel messages sure are confusing

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iamlindoro:

math is hard!

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iamlindoro:

Don't ask me, I'm just a girl!

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sphery:

Someone should tell him that he should switch his dual-core system for a single-core. It would halve the number of log messages.

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rowinggolfer:

I bought a hauppauge 2200 dual DVB tuner, and have mangaged to get it recognised by my mythbuntu 9.10 machine (after building the driver from sources, and copying firmware over). I have 2 other tuner cards in the box. My Issue is the card can't acquire a lock, despite claiming a 95% signal strength. I have played around with the time out settings, and am using the EIT grabbed by the existing (working) cards. Can a

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: try using the command line scan and zap tool, so you can identify whether this is a mythtv issue or a general tuner problem.

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: ok. I will do that. Seriously I don't think mythtv is at fault here. I thought the card was well supported by linux, I was wrong :(

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devinheitmueller:

The DVB-T side of the card works quite well.

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rowinggolfer:

are you in the UK?

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devinheitmueller:

... and that series of cards is used quite frequently under MythTV.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: no, I am in the United States.

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rowinggolfer:

ok. I have seen sucess posted, but not here in the uk.

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rowinggolfer:

I wonder if it could be a frequency issue.

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rowinggolfer:

tzap will diagnose I hope.

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devinheitmueller:

Well, try out the command line tools, and that will help narrow down whether you can tune to the frequency at all.

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: many thanks.

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devinheitmueller:

np

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aggitan:

in 0.22 where are the deinterlacing options?

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wagnerrp:

same place they were under 0.21

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aggitan:

Where is that?

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wagnerrp:

playback profiles, frontend settings

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aggitan:

How do I get to playback profiles?

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall the exact position off hand... http://mythtv.com/wiki/Playback_profiles

[16:29:43]

justinh:

utils/setup > setup > tv > tv playback – in there somewhere

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stuartm:

anyone using MNV? Is the youtube search working?

[16:30:13]

justinh:

lord help us when things move in the settings revamp

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justinh:

s/us/me/

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: whats your error?

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iamlindoro:

Works for me ;)

[16:30:31]

wagnerrp:

so the search from the command line

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iamlindoro:

youtube.py -S "Search Term"

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aggitan:

thanks.

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wagnerrp:

ive been getting some generic 'i dont know what happened' from the grabber, something it was not designed to handle

[16:31:32]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: Actually, I have a feeling about that one

[16:31:44]

wagnerrp:

going in and adding some commentary into the code, from what i can tell, im having problems with UTF-16 text

[16:32:16]

wagnerrp:

i try to print the failing string to the screen, and im just getting garbage

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: "! Error: Unknown error during a Video search"

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iamlindoro:

Meh, I think I know what it is, programmer error

[16:32:39]

iamlindoro:

possibly, anyway

[16:32:43]

iamlindoro:

probably

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wagnerrp:

yeah, same thing im getting

[16:32:50]

iamlindoro:

I blame svn add

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stuartm:

for any search text

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iamlindoro:

it didn't add .pyc files...?

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Give me the search term you are using and I will check it here.

[16:33:32]

stuartm:

RDV_Linux: any search term I can possibly imagine is returning the same error

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stuartm:

'mythtv'

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iamlindoro:

No, cease the troubleshooting, it really is my fault

[16:33:58]

iamlindoro:

no need to waste all your own time

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RDV_Linux:

ok

[16:34:30]

stuartm:

hmm, I can see some of the problems with flash, volume was too low with youtube and you can only fix that with a mouse

[16:34:51]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: which grabbers have .pyc files? Youtube, vimeo, and...?

[16:34:59]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Vimeo is the ONLY grabber that has to have a pyc distributed.

[16:35:16]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: youtube has three in my code

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stuartm:

seems youtube have a Dublin special? 'All videos within 500km of Dublin' (there was just one)

[16:35:19]

wagnerrp:

python should generate any of those things on-demand

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iamlindoro:

three .pycs

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: and that is just one file.

[16:35:25]

wagnerrp:

i dont think you should need any of them

[16:35:42]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, them never mind, back to troubleshooting with RDV_Linux

[16:35:45]

iamlindoro:

er then

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stuartm:

bah, now I'm stuck in mythbrowser, Escape isn't working

[16:36:20]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: click the history widget at the top

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wagnerrp:

'pyc' files are just a serialized version of the code for faster loading

[16:36:36]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: puts focus back on mythUI widgets and you can get out

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: we need at least one where to comply with the API terms we have to hide the key

[16:37:00]

iamlindoro:

so in our case, it's not *just* for that

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats what doug just said

[16:39:06]

RDV_Linux:

stuartm: hmm any search. Please do a search from the command line and pastebin the results.

[16:39:25]

stuartm:

needs a default-wide theme, wonder if we can find a volunteer

[16:39:47]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: The youtube grabber does an approximate geolocation and gives you local results... guess it's VERY approximate for you

[16:40:01]

iamlindoro:

(the dublin part of the tree view)

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stuartm:

./youtube.py -S "mythtv"<newline>! Error: Unknown error during a Video search (mythtv)

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stuartm:

no point in a pastebin for two lines :)

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iamlindoro:

same search works here, hmm :(

[16:40:31]

stuartm:

as in another country ;)

[16:40:43]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, yeah

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Was expecting something more complicated.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: thats only because when i was pasting stuff, i had added print lines

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** iamlindoro wonders if stuartm complains about the frosting flavor when he gets free cake too ;) **

[16:41:11]

stuartm:

iamlindoro: right below the Dublin entry there is one for nearest city

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wagnerrp:

remember, you 'except' everything, and return that string if its an unknown error

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: as I mentioned, any search term :)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: sure I am suppose to gracefully exit and cannot account for all errors.

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: nv_python_libs/youtube/youtube_api.py, add the single word 'raise' to line 641

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: im just saying as a result, there is little to no debugging capacity

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wagnerrp:

add the '-d' flag on the command line as well

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: please run the same query with an additional -d option like ./youtube.py -d -S "mythtv" and pastebin the results.

[16:44:48]

RDV_Linux:

-d is for debug

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stuartm:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757953

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RDV_Linux:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

That's interesting, it starts to get back results

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iamlindoro:

The one that *should* come right after that is http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/876jZuLhsbU

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stuartm:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757963

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LtChambers:

Hi, I tried to setup MythTV on Windows with HDHomeRun and I get channels detected when scanning in MythTV's channel editor but the channels never get added. I "add automatically" the new channels and then it says it detected unused transports and no matter what I selected (delete, ignore, can't remember the other), the channels list stayed empty.

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stuartm:

if it makes any difference, I have a router level block on google-analytics (and a few common ad purveyors)

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iamlindoro:

LtChambers: Running the backend with tuner devices on Windows is not yet supported

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iamlindoro:

Nor, in fact, is running the backend in general on windows

[16:50:28]

LtChambers:

iamlindoro: I thought that was for TV cards...damn

[16:50:55]

iamlindoro:

Nope. *once* it's supported the only one we'll support to start will be the HDHR, but we're not there yet

[16:51:20]

stuartm:

LtChambers: that's not to say it won't or shouldn't work, but it's not officially confirmed to work to my knowledge

[16:51:21]

justinh:

be a good test case though.. then we'll finally know why windows DVRs suck. Is it cos of the underlying OS or the software? ;)

[16:51:50]

LtChambers:

what's the platform dependence bit? MySQL is cross-platform and the HDHR is a network API, right?

[16:51:54]

stuartm:

LtChambers: maybe you can work with one of the windows devs to figure out why it's not working

[16:52:00]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: And a whole bunch of Jeff Lu tickets open regarding making the backend work

[16:52:15]

justinh:

LtChambers: mythtv was initially developed on linux & was never intended to run on anything else

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justinh:

AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

I know Mark plans to get to them, but that they weren't immediately appliable for various reasons

[16:52:50]

devinheitmueller:

I have to wonder whether it's worth the energy. There are so many better things the developers could be focusing their attention on.

[16:53:18]

justinh:

LtChambers: platform dependence mostly sprung out of windows not having anything like V4L

[16:53:42]

stuartm:

devinheitmueller: oh I agree, I really don't see any point in a windows port, especially not the backend – aside from bragging rights

[16:53:50]

LtChambers:

Windows has a lot of usability still for newbie users compared to Linux. Plus Skype, hmm

[16:54:01]

justinh:

people skype on linux

[16:54:14]

LtChambers:

yeah that client was last updated when? :P

[16:54:19]

justinh:

as for usability, that doesn't wash

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stuartm:

for a dedicated backend I really can't begin to understand why anyone would want to use Windows ... or maybe I meant to say, I can't understand why anyone would use Windows

[16:54:25]

devinheitmueller:

I don't doubt that is someone cared enough, they could certainly make it work. But I also think that developer's energy could be put to much better use working on other things.

[16:54:36]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: run the same search with http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757969

[16:55:06]

justinh:

vista & w7 are just as windowsey as windows ever was & still flummox the uninitiated. Computers is computers :)

[16:55:12]

devinheitmueller:

... and the increased matrix of "supported configurations' is certain to increase support overhead, something which is also in short supply.

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LtChambers:

devinheitmueller: windows support would indeed be a flood of support requests

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stuartm:

devinheitmueller: generally the core devs don't care about the Windows port, commiting a change which breaks linux support is a sin, but breaking windows support doesn't raise an eyebrow

[16:56:06]

devinheitmueller:

But hell, don't get me wrong. If someone ponies up fifty grand, I'll do it.

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justinh:

is that all? :-O

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iamlindoro:

Well, it raises eyebrows and loud complaining from two or three users who seem to think it's a supported platform

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justinh:

really not being sarcastic there

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iamlindoro:

And who think we should all hop to to fix Windows

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LtChambers:

does mythtv have continuous integration?

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: well, we would have to very strictly come to a definition of the word "support"

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justinh:

look no further than XBMC for multiplatform headache blues

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wagnerrp:

LtChambers: i have no idea what that even means

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LtChambers:

er, well XBMC has been working quite well on Windows, and they originally started on XBox, can't imagine the platform crap they were stuck with there

[16:57:38]

justinh:

LtChambers: stuff gets brought to linux mythtv first. if windows stuff gets broken, people who generally aren't core devs try & fix it up to 'work' again

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justinh:

and all that without breaking linux operation

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justinh:

it's like oil on water IMHO

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LtChambers:

continuous integration is god's gift to collaborative, cross-platform development ;)

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justinh:

like creationism you mean?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757978

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devinheitmueller:

The backend isn't rocket science, and it's built on QT so it's already pretty portable. It would just need a ton of TLC to work through the edge cases (assuming that it would just be support for something like the HDHR that doesn't need V4L).

[16:59:44]

LtChambers:

yeah, I can accept MythTV not supporting Windows-centric hardware

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justinh:

from what I hear the frontend 'pretty much just works on windows' whatever the heck that means

[17:00:03]

iamlindoro:

stuartm: RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: So locale issue?

[17:00:17]

iamlindoro:

Yay Python + Unicode!

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: The one the grabber died on is 'http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/b-yNCqj_MXs' The urls are printed before the call to the url is made. I checked the data and cannot see any problems. What is your locale?

[17:00:35]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i hashed it out with RDV_Linux a few days ago, and we couldnt fine any locale issues with my system

[17:00:36]

justinh:

I wouldn't wanna built a windows frontend just for fun. I'd sooner stick to SMB & explorer :P

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wagnerrp:

and thats the same error i had been getting

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: en_GB.UTF-8

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: that's really why it isn't supported today. Nobody really wants to do it "just for fun", and nobody is doing it for profit/compensation, so it won't get done at all.

[17:01:48]

devinheitmueller:

(not that I see a problem with that)

[17:02:08]

RDV_Linux:

stuartm: This should be ok. wagnerrp is the only one I have seen have an issue even with utf8 locale set properly.

[17:02:22]

justinh:

I'd much rather see people help polish myth before porting it, that's my only beef with the windows work

[17:02:38]

justinh:

I'm not against mythtv on windows as such

[17:02:41]

LtChambers:

justinh: cross-platform is best done from the ground-up

[17:02:51]

justinh:

true, and it's a wee bit late for that now

[17:02:55]

LtChambers:

hehe

[17:02:56]

RDV_Linux:

stuartm: I may get you a special version which would allow the actual backtrace to be displayed which may give me more info.

[17:03:07]

stuartm:

RDV_Linux: ok

[17:03:22]

justinh:

though you could reasonably argue that very little of mythtv is the same code it was 4 years ago ;)

[17:03:30]

RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Do other grabbers work for you both search and tree view?

[17:03:49]

stuartm:

right, I'm bored with internet tv already, guess I'm not the target audience :)

[17:04:08]

LtChambers:

Usenet is my internet TV

[17:04:44]

stuartm:

RDV_Linux: the three feeds I have subscribed in tree view work, all the searches work except for youtube

[17:05:26]

RDV_Linux:

ok then I will try to make a debug version for you of the youtibe search

[17:06:32]

justinh:

LtChambers: porn spam & trolls as entertainment? lol

[17:06:44]

iamlindoro:

LtChambers: Talk of theft is against channel rules, consider that your warning please

[17:06:53]

stuartm:

user-generated content doesn't really interest me, and low quality video watched via mythbrowser isn't going to endear me to things like Hulu/iplayer :/ I'm happy with my recordings

[17:07:17]

iamlindoro:

and no, I don't want to hear any attempts to cast Usenet as legit, don't want to hear about how you're donwloading linux ISO, or anything else

[17:07:29]

iamlindoro:

Because I'm the mean op who shoots first and asks questions later

[17:07:58]

LtChambers:

iamlindoro: rules can be read where?

[17:08:03]

stuartm:

or bittorrent for that matter, no bittorrent really doesn't have any notable legal uses

[17:08:09]

iamlindoro:

They're linked in the topic...

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i think the problem is in that second to last URL

[17:08:14]

LtChambers:

FAQ?

[17:08:17]

wagnerrp:

its a bunch of binary data

[17:08:20]

iamlindoro:

*in the topic still*

[17:08:27]

GreyFoxx:

Hey, I DO download my slackware dvd isos via bittorrent ;)

[17:08:47]

GreyFoxx:

but yeah, the vast majority of it's use is not legit :)

[17:09:00]

justinh:

the stats speak for themselves

[17:09:18]

stuartm:

GreyFoxx: aye, as do a few thouand users of several distros, but that amounts to probably less than 0.0001% of all bittorrent traffic :)

[17:09:25]

wagnerrp:

ive heard blizzard does updates through bittorrent

[17:09:29]

GreyFoxx:

I loved it, downloaded the slackware 13 dvd at around 55megabit :)

[17:09:42]

stuartm:

GreyFoxx: heh, what's your connection?

[17:09:55]

wagnerrp:

thats well over 10M customers, and a several billion dollar product, run through bittorrent

[17:10:11]

GreyFoxx:

a combination 5 fibre connections, some 100Megabit, some multigigabit

[17:10:16]

GreyFoxx:

(my office) :)

[17:10:20]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: As far as I remember all processing is done before the next URL is processed so an abort should not happen on a previous URL. Anything is possible.

[17:10:24]

GreyFoxx:

home is just 15megabit :)

[17:10:33]

justinh:

all I seem to get here is 1MB/sec on 20mb

[17:10:53]

justinh:

DNS is still shockingly slow sometimes though

[17:11:02]

stuartm:

if I pick the right mirror I can get 10mbit/s (my connection limit) through http, and that's what I prefer to do since I've found bittorrent can be slow to seed and thus isn't much good in the first couple of days after a release

[17:11:22]

GreyFoxx:

the slackware downloads are usually very very fast

[17:11:38]

wagnerrp:

all i seem to get here is 350KB/s, because if i unlimit my connection, my 10yr old modem craps out

[17:11:58]

justinh:

think we might downgrade our broadband

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LtChambers:

hmm, bittorrent is mentioned specifically in the rules but usenet isn't :P

[17:12:12]

wagnerrp:

were talking about linux ISOs

[17:12:25]

LtChambers:

oh me too

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GreyFoxx:

my work is also peered with my cable isp, so I get that full 15megabit from my office which is handy

[17:14:10]

iamlindoro:

LtChambers: I'm not splitting hairs with you, I'm *telling* you it's offlimits

[17:14:20]

iamlindoro:

feel free to mention it again and find out if I'm serious

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justinh:

how do trawlers catch fish then?

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iamlindoro:

besides, the rules forbid *any* legally dubious content

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** dustybin catches justinh **

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LtChambers:

yes, I can't blame mythtv for being careful, DMCA is ridiculous (is criticizing constitutionally dubious laws legally dubious? hrm)

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LtChambers:

do commercial DVR makers pay a levee to TV content owners like Canadian CD-R sellers do to music owners? (IIRC)

[17:18:11]

LtChambers:

er, levy

[17:18:17]

iamlindoro:

You can criticize any law you like-- you cannot use your esteemed legal opinion as a basis for arguing that breaking the rules is okay, however

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GreyFoxx:

LtChambers: No, you have everyright to record your own stuff for your own uses. They pay licenses for the technology (mpeg decoding, audio decoding and so on)

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: In file youtube_api.py line 622 remove the '#' character save and retry the ./youtube.py -d -S "mythtv" and pastebin the results.

[17:19:18]

GreyFoxx:

commercial DVR's that download crap from usenet or let yo ushare via bittorrent are just as bad :)

[17:21:20]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Hey, I wouldn't have pushed send, but you said Trac, and it's more than just Trac. :)

[17:21:33]

sphery:

Just trying to clarify/add info.

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iamlindoro:

pllllbbbbbtbttbtbttb

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** sphery really needs an svn ann **

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: if this helps, here is the 'item' it is churning through when it fails.... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758017

[17:24:51]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Are you getting the same youtube search error or is this the UTF16 issue?

[17:25:22]

wagnerrp:

heres the traceback... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758021

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wagnerrp:

and when it fails, its trying to process key 'title'

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wagnerrp:

so line 170 of the first pastebin

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, I think it's hometime

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: That line 442 is replacing '&' with '&' but it needs to account for test which already contains a '&'. All the strings are set as unicode so I do not know what the issue is.

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RDV_Linux:

s/test/text/

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: put a print text and print type(text) right before line 442 so was can see the specific string that is aborting.

[17:32:20]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: its the 'title' string, line 170

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stuartm:

LtChambers: there are some of us who enforce the rules not just to keep mythtv out of trouble, but because actually believe stealing is wrong ...

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stuartm:

yes, we're probably a minority and we suffer mockery for our sense of right and wrong, but we still won't abandon our morals just because everyone else has :)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Noe that is a messy title. ')\xe9\xc1\x96\x87$\xdbM=\x1e(!\x96(!\xb6\xc4\xa5\xa0\xca\x07\x887\x9f'

[17:34:37]

wagnerrp:

right, i can only imagine it came from that binary URL file

[17:34:49]

wagnerrp:

because if you 'print' it, you just get gibberish

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Try creating a trap on the return and if it aborts just return u'' see if that is better.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: If it helps I may add it as a general fix

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stuartm:

truthfully I could have cared less until I encountered more and more users who simply refused to show even the tiniest level of shame – I'm not a saint, but I'm willing to admit that, whereas many try to justify it

[17:38:32]

RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Did you see my suggestion for tracking down the youtube grabber issue at 16:19? I know you are busy.

[17:38:37]

stuartm:

and arguing that because you can't legitimately watch something on a computer, you have no choice but to steal it is not a valid argument, it's against the law to defecate in the street – I don't do it anyway and claim the law is stupid

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux, stuartm: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758046 fixes my issues

[17:39:51]

wagnerrp:

although now i end up with a title-less entry

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wagnerrp:

which should probably be filtered out higher up

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stuartm:

you can buy DVDs, Bluray, go to the cinema, watch it on TV, stream it via services such as Hulu – even if they gave you what you wanted you'd still try to find some way of justifying stealing the content (it costs too much!, it's in 1080i not 1080p!, they make me watch a 30 second advert!)

[17:40:32]

stuartm:

RDV_Linux: busy ranting you mean ;) I was out of the room for a while, so I missed it, let me scroll back

[17:41:38]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: If that works for then it would need to be added to all grabbers as that code is common to all of them both for searches and tree views.

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: still want me to do that debugging?

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Yes please as wagnerrp had an entirely different issue or at least I assume.

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stuartm:

hmm, line 622 is empty here

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: look for "print self.searchTitle(title, pagenumber, self.page_limit)" and uncomment the line

[17:46:28]

stuartm:

right, figured it was one of those three commented lines

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: I do not like to that the line number is off... but.

[17:48:54]

stuartm:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758056

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stuartm:

622 is three lines lower, below the commented block

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: the line numbers are different because you added the two print lines and the raise i posted

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wagnerrp:

it should be three lines off

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: three lines off counting from that line

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: I reverted that patch though

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Well it is the same line that wagnerrp was having issue with. Look like I will need to trap for bad data but I would rather figure out what is going on first. I think I have an idea.

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stuartm:

it's still off in a completely unmodified copy

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wagnerrp:

heh... i saw some mention of 'zilog' when skimming the users list, and thought someone was wondering about running myth on their Z80 powered computer

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: Some of us do, you insensitive clod! Err... I mean CowboyNeal! uhh ... never mind.

[18:00:33]

wagnerrp:

i know at least one dev wants to run mythtv on their 4-color casio calculator

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: thanks for looking into it

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stuartm:

and wagnerrp too

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: that joke still goes over a few heads :)

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: np As now to users have had issues around the same code I cannot just blame wagnerrp any more;)

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wagnerrp:

woo! not mah fault

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stuartm:

there is _nothing_ on TV, at this rate I'll have worked through my backlog of recordings and then I'll have to break out the Generation Kill boxset :/

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russk:

When I use Windows 7 and Windows Media Player to stream from my mythtv box, I can hear the audio ..... but when I use Vista I cannot hear the audio ... why can't I hear the audio on Vista ? (of course the audio works for other things in general)

[18:27:49]

wagnerrp:

lack of audio codecs

[18:28:08]

wagnerrp:

mythtv sends the same exact stream to both

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wagnerrp:

thats a windows/WMP/directshow issue

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russk:

so I just need a codec that Windows 7 has ?

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wagnerrp:

what is your source?

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russk:

a FIOS STB recorded through a WinTV-USB-PVR2

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: FYI: I know why my line numbers were off I was looking at altered source when I first tried to help wagnerrp. So the code you are using is correct.

[18:31:38]

wagnerrp:

so your source audio will be mpeg 1 layer 2

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russk:

right, i think

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: further to your suggestions earlier, I can confirm that the card (indeed all four receivers) locks on beautifully with tzap. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758127

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russk:

so i need the WMP codec for that i guess, right ?

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rowinggolfer:

yet still no lock with mythtv itself.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: ah, good to know.

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: good to know

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: within mythtv, are you attempting a channel scan, or do you already have a channels.conf and the tune is failing?

[18:33:52]

rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: I have tried several times.

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rowinggolfer:

and several ways.

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stuartm:

russk: or you could use VLC, mythfrontend or another media player instead of WMP

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I'm sorry, I mean *which* method have you tried? I am trying to determine whether this is a bug with the channel scanner, or with tuning in general.

[18:34:52]

devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: for example, have you tried importing a channels.conf and seeing if tuning works (without using the MythTV channel scanner)?

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russk:

ok, thanks stuartm

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: not exactly. I have entered the location of the channels.conf in and rescanned.

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wagnerrp:

russk: you need the directshow codec for that

[18:36:05]

wagnerrp:

WMP does not internally use codecs

[18:36:10]

wagnerrp:

they just interface with directshow

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I would suggest importing the channels.conf, and then just see if you can watch Live TV.

[18:36:32]

devinheitmueller:

That will help narrow down whether MythTV tuning in general works, or whether it's an issue specific to the channel scanner.

[18:36:37]

wagnerrp:

as does just about every other media player designed for windows

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russk:

thanks wagnerrp, i'm reading the wiki about it now

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: I can watch live tv with both other cards.

[18:37:33]

rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: have imported the channels.conf file (myth-setup), but it still proceeds to scan – is this correct?

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sphery:

Dibblah: btw, I have a plan for giving you what you want (sticky ffwd/rew + incremental seek), but it will require some work--I have to refactor a bunch of code so that it's actually reducing code/complexity rather than just another "as bad as the setting" hack

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sphery:

I have a couple other things ahead of that on the TODO, but I should get to it soon

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I don't doubt that it might work with the other cards. I'm trying to determine though whether it's a general mythtv tuning issue with this card or whether it's a mythtv scanning issue with this card.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: if you import the channels.conf file, you shouldn't need to do a channel scan at all.

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: that would make sense, but I import the channels.conf, click "next" and it scans.

[18:42:09]

devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: well, perhaps one of the mythtv people here can offer you some advice there (since I don't play with mythtv-setup enough to tell you what to do without seeing the UI myself)

[18:42:26]

rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: thanks anyways.

[18:42:39]

devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I don't remember – which card are we talking about?

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rowinggolfer:

hauppauge 2200

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devinheitmueller:

ah, ok. Are you using tuner 0 or tuner 1?

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rowinggolfer:

I've tried both

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rowinggolfer:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758127 shows all four adapters I have all working IIUC

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devinheitmueller:

ok.

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rowinggolfer:

I wonder if I have a permissions issue with the channels.conf?

[18:45:37]

devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: beats me. Chmod it 644 and see if that helps.

[18:46:39]

rowinggolfer:

When I did the scan (for channels.conf), it would use the default adapter, correct?

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rowinggolfer:

should I force adapter 2?

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rowinggolfer:

or would I get the exact same file from both?

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devinheitmueller:

You can try. I'm not confident it will help.

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, you dont need to force adapter 2 for livetv just hit the M key to switch tuners

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: yes I can do that, but I would like to have 4 working tuners.

[19:03:23]

oobe:

also try checking your frontend logs to see what happens when you end up using the 2200

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russk:

sphery & wagnerrp, btw, I installed ffdshow like the wiki says (which is awesome) and audio is working with WMP now

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rowinggolfer:

oobe – ah ok. I had only checked the backend logs. will run it again.

[19:05:13]

oobe:

try mythfrontend -v all

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oobe:

hit livetv asap cause -v all logs so much irrelevant stuff

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sphery:

russk: what kind of video are you playing back? NUV?

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russk:

no, mpg

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sphery:

what source?

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russk:

'file' command says: 3900_20091225234500.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex

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sphery:

what audio?

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russk:

Hauppauge WinTV-USB-PVR2

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sphery:

so, probably MP2 audio

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sphery:

cool... I didn't realize ffdshow stuff still worked, even

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russk:

is there a command that will give me more details ?

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stuartm:

if you had ffmpeg installed, ffmpeg -i <filename>

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stuartm:

but you probably don't

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russk:

Stream #0.1[0x1c0]: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 384 kb/s

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russk:

(I do)

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sphery:

nice

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russk:

I'm using ffmpeg to export with a user job

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, also try tzap -r -a 2 "BBC ONE Scot" in one console and mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter2/dvr0 in another assuming adapter 2 is one of the tuners with the problem

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758127

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, yes i know

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rowinggolfer:

the tuners work fine, except with myth it appears.

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oobe:

i saw that already

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oobe:

i added the -r option and suggested you actually play it back using mplayer

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rowinggolfer:

ah, ok.

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: can't see anything of note in the frontend log :(

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rowinggolfer:

and it was too big for pastebin

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: I did your tzap/mplayer combo, and the picture is superb.

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oobe:

and how did playing back in mplayer go?

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rowinggolfer:

fine.

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: thanks for your help. I've set the box to record now, so I'll need to try again tomorrow it seems.

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oobe:

did you set the 2200 tuners up correctly in mythtv-setup ?

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rowinggolfer:

I believe so. I followed the howto.

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rowinggolfer:

drivers not in the 2.6.31 kernel as yet

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Dibblah:

sphery: Thanks. I am absolutely aware that it's not trivial.

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, thats not the issue as you have already proven it now works under linux

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oobe:

so the only thing that could be the problem is misconfiguration in mythtv

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rowinggolfer:

that makes sense, but I have tried every which way to get the damn thing working.

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rowinggolfer:

I've never had trouble before adding/removing cards.

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oobe:

perhaps not adding a video source

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oobe:

or sharing the video source with more than one tuner

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: ah. video source.

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rowinggolfer:

I bet that's it.

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rowinggolfer:

damn.

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rowinggolfer:

and thanks!

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rowinggolfer:

BTW – I took a screenshot with a live "picture in picture" to demo the problem which hopefully you just fixed.

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rowinggolfer:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1989100/myth-picture_in_picture.png

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rowinggolfer:

ok, goodnight folks

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sphery:

simonckenyon: did you notice the patch from danielk in #mythtv to fix the compile error

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wagnerrp:

you know youre not doing enough work when the load on the cluster goes down and the room gets cold

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sphery:

heh

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simonckenyon:

sphery: no i did not – thanks for the pointer – will build now

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sphery:

wagnerrp: try running mythfrontend with Graphite for a theme

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wagnerrp:

'go put a couple more simulations on the furnace'

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sphery:

that should warm it right back up

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wagnerrp:

actually, im thinking of moving to the 3-monitor workstation

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iamlindoro:

He's trying to warm up the room, not turn all that hardware into a pile of slag

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wagnerrp:

at 120W apiece, it gets a bit toasty over in that corner

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sphery:

iamlindoro: good point... I forgot

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sphery:

Now I know where all those slag deposits in Starcraft came from--mythfrontend machines that tried Graphite

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sphery:

simonckenyon: better plan... Just svn up to r23214

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simonckenyon:

sphery: just aborted and started again – should know in a few minutes

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sphery:

cool... it worked for me, so I'm assuming it will work for you, too.

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sphery:

btw, thanks for posting the error to the list--made it much easier when danielk asked for the errors. :)

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simonckenyon:

no prob – didn't think it warrented a bug report – enough of them floating around

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simonckenyon:

been hacking on mythweb – have it using the storage group table for coverart – following on from you hint i'm now looking at mythxml

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sphery:

yeah, something like that typically gets noticed (and, therefore, handled) quickly because it's pretty noticeable

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sphery:

cool... I don't know if mythxml actually has support for providing coverart, yet, though... :) Might be the next project.

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sphery:

you should definitely check with kormoc to see which approach he prefers

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simonckenyon:

it does have a coverart command – not sure how it works yet

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sphery:

(then again, they may prefer waiting for cdev's forthcoming JSON interface)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: weve actually got another 30kW of 'heating capacity' that hasnt been run in over 20 months

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sphery:

simonckenyon: check out contrib/development/MythXMLTest for a demo app that shows usage

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wagnerrp:

although its a bit amusing that we could replace the whole thing with a half-rack of machines, and make up the power costs in under two years

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice--for now. Not so good in the summer.

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

I love it when people talk about how throwing away working computers is bad for the environment and completely dismisses the power usage environmental costs

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, thats why they havent been used

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wagnerrp:

we had an AC failure, and we killed those entirely, to let some jobs on some other machines continue running

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wagnerrp:

we just havent turned them back on since

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wagnerrp:

and half of them probably wouldnt even run without some maintenance

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simonckenyon:

i was hoping i could do some fancy footwork with apache and have it proxy for the backend

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simonckenyon:

would appear so

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BobLfoot:

Just wondering what sort of network speed / bandwidth would be needed to watch an asx stream without waiting 10 to 12 seconds for 1 second of video to buffer. My system monitor said I was running 32K download that obviously is too slow for watching video.

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wagnerrp:

BobLfoot: that depends entirely on what bitrate your content is

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kormoc:

(Current network speed * 10 to 12) / how many seconds you are willing to wait

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wagnerrp:

the asx stream does not do any sort of transcoding

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: it was 1080 HD broadcast TV with the default mythtv settings. It will take some time to look up the specifics.

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wagnerrp:

which means its probably somewhere >>10mbps

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wagnerrp:

possibly as high as 19mbps

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have that kind of internet upload, dont even bother

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: kind of what I thought. Can the transcode feature also recode to a lesser bitrate and resolution?

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wagnerrp:

you mean mythtranscode?

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: If that's the name of the transcode tool called from the gui then yes.

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wagnerrp:

yes, it can scale and transcode

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wagnerrp:

however you will be doing it to mpeg4asp

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wagnerrp:

if youre concerned about bandwidth usage for streaming over the internet, you should probably look into some external tool capable of h264

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: sounds like time I hit the RTM trail for an evening.

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: just "fiddling" right now. Myth works great as my PVR what with 2 digital and 1 analog tuner for a quad core 2.6 ghz CPU machine.

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: thanks for the information – have a great day. Later.

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dewman:

good evening...

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dewman:

is the mythdvd menu (for ripping) supposed to display the name of the dvd? Or do you just enter a name according to the movie that you are ripping?

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Reibuntu:

Hey, I've got AVI's that are out of sync from the video, I know a friend of mine was able to "on the fly" correct this with his remote control, does anyone know...? Searching around online showed me how to create this for burning iso's

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Reibuntu:

I'm using the Internal player, mplayer has a command like this but I'd rather not switch

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wagnerrp:

the best suggestion would be to re-rip those DVDs, and dont use a hackish CF like VBR mp3 audio in an avi

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sphery:

Reibuntu: wagnerrp's suggestion is best, but there is an "Adjust Audio Sync" menu option in playback (hit M, then scroll down). Unfortunately, it's reset every time you play back.

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dewman:

Also, should I be ripping the dvd's as iso's? I was thinking as along as the quality was excellent it should be ok.

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wagnerrp:

dewman: the only reason to rip as an ISO is if you want to retain the menu structure and bonus content

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wagnerrp:

if you just want the main video, dont bother

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dewman:

wagnerrp, No I dont really care about the menu..

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Reibuntu:

Wagnerrp- do you know the "on the fly" resyncing I'm referring to? all you need to do is use the + or – button and it moves the audio. The reason I'm particular is I have roughly 20–30 avi's that have varying ranges of sync issues, this would be really cumbersome to do by hand.

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dewman:

wagnerrp, Should I be putting in a name in the name? Or is it supposed to grab it once the movie is ripped.

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wagnerrp:

dewman: cant say, ive never ripped a dvd in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

Reibuntu: you cannot resync then permanently anyway

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wagnerrp:

its an artifact of using a VBR audio format in a container that does not support it

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wagnerrp:

its an ugly hack, and it often results in loss of a/v sync

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wagnerrp:

from which there is no way to recover

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dewman:

ok, I am trying it now and see what happens... Since I am running trunk who knows...the whole thing might melt down... =P

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wagnerrp:

sphery mentioned how to access those settings

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Reibuntu:

I've looked around online and everyone has resolutions for burning the media, I'm not interested in ripping the avi's I just watch them and delete them. Spending a couple hours work just to enjoy a couple hours of video doesn't seem like a good trade off since this could happen with other recordings in the future also.

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wagnerrp:

but you have the avi already, you have already ripped the dvd

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wagnerrp:

recordings will not suffer the same fate, since they do not use the avi container

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wagnerrp:

they will either be mpegs or nuvs

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wagnerrp:

why bother ripping the disk if youre just going to delete it afterwards?

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sphery:

And if a friend you've never met who's somewhere on the internet ripped it for you and you downloaded a copy from him, you won't get help here for that. And, you get what you pay for.

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wagnerrp:

comcast's DTAs dont have analog video output?

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wagnerrp:

funky

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wagnerrp:

makes me wonder if its modulated directly off the digital signal, or if you can crack it open and hit a composite signal feed prior to the modulator

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MTughan:

Isn't MythTV supposed to be able to use multiple tuners simultaneously? Because we have an NTSC and an ATSC tuner set up here, the NTSC tuner is recording while the ATSC is not, and MythFrontend says all tuners are busy.

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wagnerrp:

you have two separate tuners?

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MTughan:

Yes.

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wagnerrp:

on two separate cards?

[21:07:16]

MTughan:

Yes again.

[21:07:28]

wagnerrp:

then yes, its supposed to be able to record off both simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

if you had a 'hybrid' tuner, you can only use analog or digital simultaneously, not both at the same time

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wagnerrp:

(on that specific card)

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MTughan:

I had actually noticed in the past few days though that I couldn't switch to the ATSC tuner when watching TV, even though nothing was changed in the setup.

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wagnerrp:

likely the ATSC card is broken, or otherwise not set up properly

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MTughan:

It was working before.

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MTughan:

Is there a way that I can see if the card is recognized?

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wagnerrp:

ls /dev/dvb

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kormoc:

check the mythbackend status page?

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wagnerrp:

http://mybackend:6544/

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MTughan:

wagnerrp: adapter0 and adapter 1.

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MTughan:

kormoc: Should I see a status for each identified tuner in "Encoder Status" if it was working?

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kormoc:

yes

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MTughan:

Then it's not recognized by Myth, although it *is* recognized by Linux.

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MTughan:

Nuts.

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wagnerrp:

you should see multiple for each of those digital tuners (assuming you have multiple virtual tuners set up)

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wagnerrp:

plus one for each analog

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Reibuntu:

Wagnerrp, Sphery: Yeah I've been looking through the wiki, and it says I can use Y to adjust audio sync... I was hoping this version of mythtv would have the on the fly adjust like mplayer using "+ & -" keys but I guess not.

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kormoc:

MTughan: or rather, you haven't set it up in myth?

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MTughan:

wagnerrp: This card (Hauppauge HVR-2250) has two separate tuners in it.

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MTughan:

kormoc: It was working before. I'm not sure what changed.

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kormoc:

MTughan: erm... you said it was two cards, not one card with two tuners

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kormoc:

<wagnerrp> on two separate cards?

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kormoc:

<MTughan> Yes again.

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wagnerrp:

two digital, plus one separate analog

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kormoc:

So which is it?

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MTughan:

kormoc: There are two cards. Ideally, there would be three tuners.

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kormoc:

ooh

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MTughan:

Yeah, what wagnerrp said.

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kormoc:

So go in mythtv-setup and set up the second card?

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Reibuntu:

I'm not ripping, I'm just trying to watch it from my hdd, its just painful to watch with 2sec delays in audio.

[21:14:52]

MTughan:

kormoc: The second card was set up. And I can't check the backend setup right now, as the TV's being used.

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kormoc:

you can x forward over ssh to re-run the setup

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** kormoc shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

Reibuntu: in the on screen menu (m), there are options to control the offset

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wagnerrp:

however that is at best a crutch

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wagnerrp:

those are broken encodes, and need to be re-ripped

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: with storage groups does the fileInfo class return correct information

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wagnerrp:

its very likely that they contain VBR mp3 audio, muxed in as CBR

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Reibuntu:

if that was the case i understand, and thats why I wouldn't demand anything from good helpful people like both of you. I just work alot and use it to record Dexter while I'm out.. lol don't get me started on the pain my ATI and tv tuner gave me.

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: wondering if my latest patch will speed up files being played via storage groups too... currently all my testing is with mythavtest on local files

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wagnerrp:

meaning the offset will wildly vary throughout the video, and the audio bitrate information is irrecoverably lost

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tcpsyn:

hello all. I'm sure you get this alot, but I'm experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/452779 on OpenSuse. Has anyone found a workaround for channel scanning on the PVR cards?

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Reibuntu:

Alright well I guess I'm kinda SoL unless I want to burn to disk or re-sync the episodes, which i sadly dont. Thanks for the info you two.

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wagnerrp:

burning to disk will do nothing

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv does not record to avis to have then break in such a manner

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k-train:

I was under the impression that under the music General settings one could specify more than one location directory separating them with a colon ':', but I cannot get it to function. When I have two locations specified it will not find any music, but with one it will.

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k-train:

Any thoughts?

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Dagmar:

Your impression should be checked against the documentation.

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo operates that way, dont know about mythmusic

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k-train:

hello?

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wagnerrp:

youve had two responses so far

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wagnerrp:

oh... right, you left and didnt see them

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k-train:

i'm sorry. I'm new to irc an i'm having quite the time getting it down.

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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k-train:

does that link take me to a log?

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wagnerrp:

yes, tracked by MythLogBot

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wagnerrp:

if thats in the channel, it will be in that log

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k-train:

Thank you.

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tcpsyn:

is there an alternate way to scan channels?

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peterpan13_ptl:

Hi, I'm having a myth backend problem with cable channel scanning. I have an hd television which receives channels like "31", ESPN non-hd off the cable line. However, when I scan using myth, it doesn't pick up this channel. It picks up the network HD channels like 5.1 and 17.1, for instance. I'm using QAM-256, Cable or Cable-High for the settings. Any idea what I might be doing wrong?

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sphery:

definitely want to do cable (not cable high) and make sure you let the scan run to completion--as channel 31 is probably no where near frequency ID 31

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sphery:

also, if you're using Comcast or another provider who's using SCTE65, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

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[R]:

channel 31 is probably analog

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sphery:

it may also be that...

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peterpan13_ptl:

no, I'm using Time Warner....

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peterpan13_ptl:

so is QAM 256 correct for this type of channel?

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** sphery thought the hoofbeats had to be zebras **

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sphery:

most likely qam256 for the provider

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sphery:

like [R] said, 31 may well be an analog channel (that a digital capture card cannot receive)

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sphery:

you'll have to use an analog capture card for analog channels

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peterpan13_ptl:

I have an hvr-1600, which has both analog and digital tuners.... I should be able to split the line, and capture both sets then, right?

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** Beirdo pats MythLogBot **

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Beirdo:

!notice

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

just for a reminder

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

peterpan13_ptl: yes, you can use both the digital and analog sides--in MythTV they're set up as 2 distinct Capture Cards in mythtv-setup

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peterpan13_ptl:

okay, I'll try scanning for 31 (and the other low channels) on the analog side.... would I still use QAM-256 when scanning?

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sphery:

you'll need to scan for channels on the digital side, but make sure you use Fetch channels... for the analog side. I recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

don't scan analog

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mag0o:

but...it's *FUN*

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sphery:

heh, especially with 0.22 (where analog channel scanning doesn't work :)

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peterpan13_ptl:

wow

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peterpan13_ptl:

thanks for the advice

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peterpan13_ptl:

I'll give that a shot.... I appreciate your help!

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sphery:

good luck

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sphery:

glad [R] was here to keep me from dragging you too far off course

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peterpan13_ptl:

me too.... thanks [R] and sphery

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peterpan13_ptl:

btw, on another topic, has anyone used

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peterpan13_ptl:

mythfrontend with backend on wireless G network, and HD?

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peterpan13_ptl:

is that impossible?

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[R]:

yes

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peterpan13_ptl:

but SD is possible on wireless G?

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[R]:

wireless isn't very reliable

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[R]:

i sued to watch crap avi files over wifi and it was fine

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[R]:

but i dunno about real resolution sd tv recordingds

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wagnerrp:

basically, the problem is that your wireless signal will drop out intermittently, even in the cleanest environment

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wagnerrp:

so even though you may have the throughput to handle your content

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wagnerrp:

youre going to end up with annoying pauses

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peterpan13_ptl:

okay, sounds like it's safest to use ethernet for frontend/backend setup? would 100Mb ethernet let me watch HD without stuttering?

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wagnerrp:

the highest bitrate you will EVER see will be bluray at ~40mbps

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peterpan13_ptl:

excellent

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peterpan13_ptl:

thanks, everyone... I'm going to work on my channel situation first, then later see about watching from a different frontend via ethernet

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kc:

So I think myths commercial flagger became sentient. 134 Commercial Break(s). Apparently nothing is worth watching on TV as everything is product placement :p

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

amazing, recorded 2 1/2 Men and Big Bang Theory last night and the commercial at the beginning of both is for Letterman, and starts at exactly the same point (end of some guest star's name--no idea who she is, though)

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sphery:

I have to say my local CBS affiliate has their timing down

[23:04:10]

kc:

They finally figured out what this new fangled ntp is

[23:04:15]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[23:05:09]

sphery:

now if only they'd stop putting commercials for news, etc, in the middle of the show (with the show in a 2/3- to 1/4-screen box and tickers, etc, in the rest)

[23:06:08]

kc:

Agreed. It's getting to the point I want to stop watching TV at all and just use netflix and watch everything 6 months late

[23:06:42]

sphery:

heh, I'm watching most everything 6-mos late just so I don't get invested in something that's cancelled after 4 episodes

[23:06:53]

kc:

I blame sports for perfecting the overlays that all the stations are now abusing

[23:07:25]

sphery:

yeah, I never thought of that

[23:07:54]

sphery:

and here we all thought the robot football player that looks kind of like the Master Chief was neat...

[23:08:08]

sphery:

now he's my nemesis

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kc:

Yep. Now we get TV-14 in one corner, an overlay across the bottom, logo in one or more corners.

[23:09:12]

sphery:

and little animated advertisement for some other show in one of them

[23:09:29]

kc:

And if you're lucky, closed caption info at the top of the screen :)

[23:11:28]

kc:

I look forward to the days when the broadcasters place a show in a pip sized window while commercials just play in the background

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mag0o:

don't give them ideas

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kc:

um... Patent Pending? heh

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tcpsyn:

Is there a difference between scanning for channels and fetching them? I'm a bit confused. My understanding was that you scan for channels first, and then fetch the metadata for the ones that are found. But my results are, if I scan for channels, they come in more clear, and I get more channels, and if I fetch them, I'm only pulling a few channels, and poorly

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[R]:

depends on what kind of channels you are talking about

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ahughes:

can anyone tell me if gf8200 is capable of bluray playback?

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tcpsyn:

analog cable

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Dagmar:

ahuges: IT's not.

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[R]:

tcpsyn: analog us cable?

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ahughes:

Dagmar, that was my fear.

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tcpsyn:

Yes sir

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wagnerrp:

nothing on linux is capable of bluray playback

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[R]:

"they come in more clear" makes no sense

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[R]:

tcpsyn: you get more by scanning because you dont have all the channels avialble on your datasource

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wagnerrp:

however you can decrypt the content elsewhere, and use VDPAU on the gf8200 to decode the video on a bluray disk

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[R]:

8200 doesnt have vdpau

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[R]:

i thought

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ahughes:

wagnerrp, I want to press 'play' I don't want to rip.

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wagnerrp:

it does

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ahughes:

[R], 8100 does not 8200 does

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tcpsyn:

[R], no, for instance, comedy central. I can fetch this channel from schedulesdirect, but it plays back static.

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wagnerrp:

ahughes: isnt going to happen, buy a bluray player

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[R]:

tcpsyn: and the channel number is correct?

[23:23:22]

ahughes:

wagnerrp, why the hell not?

[23:23:35]

ahughes:

myth is really starting to look like a bad option for me :'(

[23:23:58]

tcpsyn:

[R], I'll double check first before I end up making a fool out of myself

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wagnerrp:

AnyDVD HD under windows is the ONLY program that will reliably decrypt bluray disks

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wagnerrp:

and even if there were a solution under linux

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iamlindoro:

ahughes, Myth has nothing to do with decryption of disks. Without a working navigation *and* decryption library for blu ray in linux, *nothing* will be able to play blu ray disks

[23:24:26]

wagnerrp:

there is not yet a bluray menu library available to use

[23:24:27]

kc:

ahughes: blame Hollywood and their DRM, not myth

[23:24:52]

ahughes:

I blame sony

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kc:

Well, there you go

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ahughes:

but I want it, I want it, I want it.... ;)

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kc:

You're not doing a good job telling them that by buying the broken products they are selling you

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kc:

:)

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** sphery wonders if tcpsyn gets comedy central on channel 5 or 6 **

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tcpsyn:

no, it's 49

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sphery:

tcpsyn: definitely do not scan for analog channels

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sphery:

tcpsyn: you should do at least the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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tcpsyn:

ooh

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tcpsyn:

sphery, yeah, when I do that, I seem to only get the local channels.

[23:33:01]

tcpsyn:

myth has all my channels, but the cable ones are just static

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wagnerrp:

are they really static, or just digital 'noise'?

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tcpsyn:

what's the difference?

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Dagmar:

o.O

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tcpsyn:

looks like static

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tcpsyn:

old school tv static

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tcpsyn:

with the old school tv static noise

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wagnerrp:

digital channels tuned using an analog tuner will appear as statuic

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sphery:

can you see a partial picture?

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sphery:

if so, you're probably using the wrong frequency table

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tcpsyn:

no picture, just static

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sphery:

if pure static, there's nothing on that channel

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wagnerrp:

or, theres something digital now on that channel

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sphery:

or you have a misconfigured capture card (possibly with the wrong kernel tuner module or something)

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sphery:

yeah, nothing analog on that channel I should sya

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sphery:

Have you tried the capture card outside of Myth? Maybe with tvtime or xawtv or something?

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tcpsyn:

I'll try that next.

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tcpsyn:

I'm checking with the provider to make sure those are even live channels

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sphery:

or, better, have you plugged the cable line directly into your TV and had it scan for channels to see what you should get (assuming that you know how to tell from the TV's menu whether you're watching an analog or digital station)

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tcpsyn:

I haven't, no.

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tcpsyn:

Ooop

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tcpsyn:

there we go

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sphery:

they may have just recently switched them to digital, only

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tcpsyn:

I'm a dummy

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tcpsyn:

I don't have those channels

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sphery:

heh, that would do it :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Wanted to ping you about getting a voting portal set up for next month, was hoping you might have some thoughts

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jmkasunich:

I'm about to start putting together a system to run MythTV (and other things – webserver, VMware, etc), and I'm wondering....

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jmkasunich:

should I install ubuntu 9.10, then mythtv, or use mythbuntu?

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sphery:

I vote MythBuntu

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sphery:

MythBuntu is just Ubuntu that someone already reconfigured to properly support MythTV

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sphery:

otherwise, you have to install Ubuntu, figure out what needs changing, change it, install MythTV, and then configure MythTV

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sphery:

and you end up with... for all practical purposes, MythBuntu

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jmkasunich:

"what needs changing" implies that the OS itself needs tweaked to run myth?

[23:50:33]

highzeth:

reg blu-ray, anyone tried makemkv.com app on linux?

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sphery:

yeah, pretty much

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sphery:

Myth has prerequisites and certain configuration requirements, and doesn't support some things that are used on many OS's (PulseAudio, for one)

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sphery:

all that stuff has been properly handled for you with MythBuntu

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jmkasunich:

sounds good

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jmkasunich:

any issues with installing mythbuntu before the capture card(s) are present?

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jmkasunich:

I have everything to build the box, except capture card, remote control and its reciever, and wireless keyboard/mouse and their reciever

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sphery:

I'll leave that question for someone else who knows MythBuntu better than I do

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jmkasunich:

planning to use a regular kb for setup

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sphery:

I really don't know the installer

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sphery:

keyboard makes setup much easier

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sphery:

wired or wireless is fine for initial

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jmkasunich:

I can't imagine not having a kb

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sphery:

probably want wireless eventually

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sphery:

in theory, you could do everything with a remote, but in practice...

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jmkasunich:

I intend to use this box for "normal" stuff as well as TV/media

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sphery:

yeah, then you'll definitely need a keyboard, too :)

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jmkasunich:

btw, I discovered a new form of geek frustration today

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jmkasunich:

driving home from microcenter with all the parts to build the new box – happy

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jmkasunich:

arriving home to find a power failure – not so happy

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sphery:

heh

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jmkasunich:

fortunately it only lasted about 40 mins

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sphery:

did MicroCenter carry pre-charged UPS's :)

[23:57:39]

jmkasunich:

I already had a UPS on my existing computer

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jmkasunich:

(the one I'm typing at you from – my myth PC is still a pile-o-parts)

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jmkasunich:

that's why I want to do "other stuff" on the myth PC – it doesn't make sense to have two PCs running 24/7

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sphery:

with 0.22, you can do automatic shutdown and wakeup of all the myth boxes more easily than with 0.21 and below)...

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