Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

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cesman:

there is no requirement set in stone anywhere

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cesman:

view habits vary from person to person

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cesman:

to you intend to view and delete or are you going to archive?

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cesman:

so, the size of the hdd all depends on how _you_ intend to use the system

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jolaren:

There's this flapping sound sometimes

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jolaren:

really annoying

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jolaren:

it sounds like "scherep"

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klk:

for recording HD from a set top box, is there any other option besides the Hauppauge HD-PVR?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

well... you can try your luck at firewire

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klk:

assuming the STB has firewireout. I've got directv

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wagnerrp:

but the HDPVR is the only HD analog capture device

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Tanthrix:

sphery: Think it might be time to unban Agrajag now?

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jolaren:

does the server have to record the live tv all the time? Is it possible to make it delete everything after like 1 h of watchhin?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

and yes it has to record absolutely everything

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justinh:

that's how all the neat live tv tricks are possible

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jolaren:

how much hdd does that require really?

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jolaren:

I've filled up 40 gig kinda fast

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justinh:

oooo 40GB. LOL

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justinh:

if I only wanted to watch stuff 'live' I wouldn't use mythtv at all

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clever:

jolaren: when it does get low on space, it will delete it automaticaly

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jolaren:

clever; seems that function doesnt work

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clever:

if your guide data is correct, it will break things up into smaller recordings

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clever:

and delete any when you get low

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jolaren:

yer it warns about that

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jolaren:

but I think nothin happend

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justinh:

warns about what?

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jolaren:

3% discspace bla bla bla

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jolaren:

will break into small pieces bla bla bla

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jolaren:

but then all of a sudden its full

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justinh:

mythtv warns about low disk space? since when?

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justinh:

prolly more like your distro does

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jolaren:

it does, next time ill paSte it out

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jolaren:

oh

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jolaren:

might be

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justinh:

you can set mythtv to leave more HDD space free if you like, then when you reach that threshold it'll start to expire older stuff

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justinh:

actually unless you elect to keep livetv recordings they'll be expired after 24h anyway

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justinh:

or when the disk space threshold is reached, whichever happens first

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justinh:

the docs say that

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jolaren23:

Could you repeat that

[07:01:40]

jolaren23:

internet died

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justinh:

sigh

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jolaren23:

sorry

[07:02:05]

jolaren23:

my only op

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justinh:

mythtv expires livetv recordings after 24h anyway

[07:02:11]

jolaren23:

option is to plug in an external hdd

[07:02:24]

jolaren23:

and save the recording to that place

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justinh:

or whenever it reaches a threshold you set – whichever happens first

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jolaren23:

but that will affect that performance i think

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jolaren23:

k

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justinh:

I've been trying to stop pointing out what a frickin waste of time watching 'livetv' is

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justinh:

especially randomly grazing channels & zapping. Meh

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sid3windr:

I noticed with my 1TB of diskspace I could still go back until end of august 2009 with my recordings

[07:03:57]

sid3windr:

am I not recording enough? =)

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Tanthrix:

justinh: I dunno, there is a certain amount of fun to live TV on occasion that myth deprives oneself of. Certainly easy to live without, but still it's not entirely useless.

[07:04:28]

clever:

sid3windr: ive got maybe 3tb now in total, and its running out fast

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justinh:

I'll never be convinced

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clever:

the newest drive is already 51% used

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justinh:

no point even trying :)

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jolaren23:

clever; but you tend to record alot don't ya?

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Especially since with commercial skipping you can easily not have the faintest idea of what new shows and such are out. Flipping around can help alleviate that.

[07:05:09]

clever:

jolaren23: yeah, but only 1 tuner right now

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clever:

cant record 48 hours in a day yet

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sid3windr:

only 1 tuner?

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sid3windr:

I have 5 ;/

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clever:

lol

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jolaren23:

I have two tuners and 40gig space on my srv

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sid3windr:

you're just recording all day long then? :P

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jolaren23:

lol

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justinh:

over here the channels with adverts generally never show anything I want to see

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jolaren23:

will need to fix dat up

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justinh:

jolaren23: you can't record TV to DAT. it's too slow

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sid3windr:

=)

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jolaren23:

not dat "dat as in that"

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jolaren23:

^^

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justinh:

so SAY THAT AS IN THAT NOT DAT :-P

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sid3windr:

TRU DAT

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jolaren23:

reckon ya lad

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Tanthrix:

A/S/L?

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justinh:

or is u gunna say "is it becuzz I is 2 streetz?"

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jolaren23:

you madman

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jolaren23:

Nl

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justinh:

we like English in here ;-)

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justinh:

y'know.. like real english, not what wannabe ganstas use

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jolaren23:

Hah

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jolaren23:

I'm a mix of everythin (swede/american/english)

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jolaren23:

same-o

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jolaren23:

I need to be hittin the shower now.. work in 2 h

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Tanthrix:

And I was just beginning to enjoy this conversation!

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justinh:

no internets in da showerz?

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Tanthrix:

There are times I've thought putting a frontend in the bathroom might be cool.

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Tanthrix:

Not the shower though...waterproofing would be a pain.

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justinh:

just put it behind glass

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justinh:

waterproofing is then no harder than tiling :)

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Tanthrix:

Well, you're probably right, but there are plenty of other good reasons not to put a frontend in the shower.

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sid3windr:

justinh: then there's no touchscreen! :p

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TauPan:

or in the bathroom at all: "Mom, sis won't come out of the bathroom! – I wanna watch my show!"

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sid3windr:

mmm waterproof remote

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justinh:

there's no touchscreen support in mythfrontend is there?

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sid3windr:

yet!

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sid3windr:

TauPan: heh, some shows are probably better than laxative.. :>

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TauPan:

I prefer the good old boring magazines...

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justinh:

Drilling Monthly etc?

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TauPan:

(and you can use them as toilet paper, try doing that with a mythtv frontend)

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TauPan:

justinh: ouch

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Tanthrix:

Instead of a front end, I think just duplicate output to a bathroom screen would be nice.

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Tanthrix:

One button to continue watching/listening whatever you and your family are watching when nature calls.

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Dibblah:

Oooh, very funky. WD green drives have true head park.

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Oh? As opposed to what?

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Dibblah:

ie heads unload off the platters.

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Dibblah:

Touching down.

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Tanthrix:

Yikes. smartctl is showing my load cycle count as 72,300 with only 1500 hours on the drive.

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Dibblah:

http://www.chriswheaton.com/images/htpc/lrg/harddrive.jpg

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/ . . . 481009715931

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Dibblah:

Feel free to look at the date.

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Dibblah:

And there is a solution for the "issue"

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Tanthrix:

Well, the date is irrelevent if the info is true, since my WD Green appears to be doing the same thing.

[07:21:32]

Tanthrix:

Guess it's time to download that app.

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Dibblah:

And if they are WD greens, it's completely unnecessary.

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Dibblah:

Since, as above, the head load / unload is off the disk.

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Tanthrix:

Care to elaborate? I'm not sure why you would call it an "issue" if the drives are indeed only rated for 300k parks, and they're parking like crazy for no good reason.

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Dibblah:

So no landing / lifting shocks.

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Dibblah:

The issue with _most_ hds is that the head is parked on a non-data part of the media.

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Dibblah:

The Green drives park the heads off the media and appear to spin the media up to speed, then apply the heads.

[07:25:24]

Dibblah:

Which means 0 wear on a load / unload cycle.

[07:25:42]

Dibblah:

It _does_ mean far higher first-access latency, though.

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sid3windr:

Tanthrix: in some hotels the bathroom has a speaker that outputs what the tv is outputting.. I find it rather annoying

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Physical movement != 0 wear, regardless of how it is designed.

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justinh:

sid3windr: some hotels have TVs? :-O

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Especially for movements in great numbers. That's why even the best camera shutters are usually only rated at 300,000k. Hardly any real force involved, but the materials just can't handle that much cumulative stress.

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justinh:

I'm still amazed HDDs work at all

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Tanthrix:

sid3windr: I can imagine that would be annoying, though I was implying an optional, turn-on-at-will design. ;)

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Aye! They are magnificent and magical.

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Dibblah:

Tanthrix: the only moving parts here that touch anything else are the head actuator bearing, the load / unload ramp and the head support.

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sid3windr:

hehe

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Dibblah:

Unlike a camera shutter.

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sid3windr:

justinh: I think most do? ;)

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Dibblah:

The load / unload ramp doesn't touch the head.

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justinh:

hotel rooms are for crashing out in, drunk

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Dibblah:

It's just like a vinyl pickup and the handle on the side of it.

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Then why has WD specified a 300k limit on LCC's?

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justinh:

Dibblah: the scale is slightly different with a vinyl turntable though ;-)

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Dibblah:

Tanthrix: I have no idea.

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Tanthrix:

Well, don't worry, it was a random, unsourced fact I read on a few forums so it might not even be true.

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jolaren23:

justinh; bet me box wouldn't approve of the water innit

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jolaren23:

^^

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justinh:

like anybody would be stupid enough to put the actual frontend hardware in a bathroom

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justinh:

then again, this IS the internet after all

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Dibblah:

Tanthrix: http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/te . . . er_FINAL.pdf

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: In any event, there's quite a few people discussing this issue: http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewforum.php?f=124

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jolaren23:

a friend of mine has a frontend screen plugged in the bathroom lad

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Dibblah:

The 300k seems to be assuming a touchdown design.

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jolaren23:

it's kinda like inside the door

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jolaren23:

and a glass thingy over it

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jolaren23:

sweet as hell

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Dibblah:

And I would guess is on the specifications because it's "safe"

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justinh:

been back only a few hours & this place has succeeded in doing my ****ing head in

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Perhaps. Still, I don't think you can write this off at first glance as a non-issue with all the chatter going on on the subject.

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Dibblah:

Chatter? On the interwebs? ;)

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Tanthrix:

I know, say it ain't so.

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jolaren23:

now both of em tunes r running

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jolaren23:

the fudge

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Tanthrix:

I'm off, later all.

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jolaren23:

how did i activate that second tuner

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jolaren23:

How much space do you recomend if it's only for live tv

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jolaren23:

I was thinkin thought.. i have this rly old computer that I run as serve... shouldn't a new external usb hdd be faster to save on then some old ide's?

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jolaren23:

both my tuners are recording live tv, how do I exit one of them

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jolaren23:

Yes, time to leave

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Squidy:

hello.. i've installed mythtv 0.22.. i've got some videos with subtitle files in the same directory.. when I check this directory inside mythvideo I see the videos and subtitle files.. can I hide the subtitles to show only video files?

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GreyFoxx:

There is an option in mythvideo that says something like "hide unknown file types" or similar

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Squidy:

GreyFoxx: I can't find that :(

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GreyFoxx:

In the mythvideo settings area there is "Metadata Settings" and for me there is "Display unknown file types"

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GreyFoxx:

turn that off

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mag0o:

quick svn quesiton – how do i download a specific revision ?

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mag0o:

like if i want r 15642

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mag0o:

nm

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mag0o:

google-fu was off a bit this morning

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Squidy:

GreyFoxx: weird.. this option is not showing for me...

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GreyFoxx:

Squidy: Could very well be something different between our versions. I'm running Trunk

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Squidy:

hum.. i'm running 0.22.0+fixes22594

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Squidy:

is there another way? :-)

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GreyFoxx:

the option has existed for a long long time, I just know know exactly where it is in your menus :)

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GreyFoxx:

might even had a slightly differently worded title :)

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Squidy:

GreyFoxx: I've found... Thanks

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iamlindoro:

ARGHHHHH, when your ticket gets closed invalid, don't open four more

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sid3windr:

oh I have a user here who opened 15 identical tickets when he didn't get a response to his first one in 24 hours

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sid3windr:

he's now killfiled :p

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iamlindoro:

This guy is getting awful close my the limit of my patience

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pheld:

I've got issues with DVB subtitles

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pheld:

text appear about center vertically with smallish fonts

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pheld:

HD subtitles disappear quickly, and most of the text is never displayed

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pheld:

SD sub (using captions) always chooses the first available language even though several appear selectable in the menu. The first available doesn't always match the preferred language either

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pheld:

are any of these issues known? (using trunk rev 23415)

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GreyFoxx:

Heheh that "Childish" theme is cute :)

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iamlindoro:

mag0o: ^^

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pheld:

subtitle-positioning was fixed in a CS a couple weeks ago, but this part of the player seems to have been changed/redesigned since

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GreyFoxx:

I could see using that on my daughters frontend :)

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mag0o:

:)

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mag0o:

that's where it's going in my house, and what it was created for

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GreyFoxx:

We started looking at a couple of the new themes last night

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GreyFoxx:

Blue Abstract is a favourite in the house right now , but we've yet to look at them all. And eventually I need to install the fonts to try out Arclight :)

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GreyFoxx:

I'm replacing all of the FE's in the house with ION's, so when I do up the new one for my Daughters room I think Childish will be going on it heh

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GreyFoxx:

that reminds me, I need a new remote for that

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm, something in the 190.x+ series of nvidia drivers causes my main FE to lockup when I have seperate X sessions running on each of the video cards :/

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro: Is it possible that he's meaning that aspect ratio is not maintained in the OSD?

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GreyFoxx:

Videocovers don't show up in my OSD either. Can't remember which I'm using offhand though

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah: I believe that's half of what he's saying, but that's a known limitation of the current (to be replaced RSN) OSD and the ticket is a FRWOP that would never get applied even if it did have a patch. The other is that he has certain images which aren't showing up, which is a configuration issue

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: video covers don't show up if your videos are SG hosted

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iamlindoro:

Which IIRC yours are

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GreyFoxx:

at the moment none of mine are

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GreyFoxx:

all are local/nfs

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iamlindoro:

I did write the code such that it will "just work" once we have a MythUI OSD, though

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GreyFoxx:

well that's not true. A small directory of a few things is SG based, but 99% of them are not right now

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iamlindoro:

but yeah, the OSD has to support it too

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iamlindoro:

right now the limitations are the videos have to be locally hosted, and the OSD has to explicitly add the image type

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iamlindoro:

I applied a patch the other day to add it to blackCurves, and ISTR adding it to a couple (but not all) of the core OSD themes, but this was months ago

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GreyFoxx:

currently using blackcurves osd. I'll have to look at the xml

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

time for me to update then

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elmojo:

GreyFoxx: just ordered an ion system last night... you going to build them out of parts or get something like a revo?

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GreyFoxx:

right now I've got some stuff my work ordered in that came preinstalled in tiny cases and such, though I think I may go with some revos for home

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elmojo:

yes... the revo was tempting... it's a pretty good price now too

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elmojo:

but I found a zotac ion (N230) for less than $100 so I figured I'd just build one

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

what does that contain?

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sid3windr:

board/atom/onboard gpu?

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sid3windr:

for $100?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sid3windr:

nice

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wagnerrp:

for the low end Zotac board, on newegg, after rebate

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elmojo:

sid3windr: http://www.mini-box.com/Zotac-ION-mini-ITX-Single-Atom-N230

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sid3windr:

mm

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sid3windr:

I guess it's silent? :P

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sid3windr:

mm

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wagnerrp:

if you leave it out of the case

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wagnerrp:

inside a case, it needs a fan

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sid3windr:

shucks :)

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sid3windr:

can you replace the heatsink then?

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elmojo:

you can use this case -> http://www.mini-box.com/M350-enclosure-with-p . . . -60W-adapter

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sid3windr:

because my case has no possibility for a fan

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Dibblah:

It doesn't _need_ a fan. You can just let it quietly fry.

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wagnerrp:

well its not really a standard size

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sid3windr:

only cpu fan

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: seems like many people are going without a fan for the single-core (N230) versions

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Dibblah:

You'll need to redirect your syslog, though – Otherwise it's screams of agony will consume all your disk space in a matter of months!

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sid3windr:

that case is also fanless

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wagnerrp:

elmojo: the single core doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

the graphics chip is what generates the heat

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elmojo:

I personally don't mind the fan

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wagnerrp:

and it will cook the CPU whether you have a single or dual core version

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: do you have an ion?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

but youre talking 4–8W for the CPU, vs. 30W for the chipset

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elmojo:

I understand the 9400M is much higher power... so you feel that since they share a heatsink that the gpu will burn up the cpu?

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elmojo:

Dibblah: are you referring to the overheat logging messages?

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to get any natural convection inside a small case

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Dibblah:

Yes, I am.

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: Err.. What?

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Dibblah:

No, you're not.

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Dibblah:

The chipset is around 12w.

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fleers:

what are ppl putting in these ionitx FE's for storage? I just ordered one (the -C fanless) and the m350 enclosure...

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Dibblah:

(For an i945)

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Dibblah:

For the 9400m, you're talking 20w.

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fleers:

was thinking of SATA CF + ramdisk or diskless nfsroot ...

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elmojo:

Dibblah: do you have an ion?

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Dibblah:

I have an equivalent platform.

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elmojo:

this is quite interesting cause I wonder how the revo cools the chips?

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wagnerrp:

elmojo: it has a fan

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sid3windr:

fleers: I do network boot ;)

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elmojo:

doesn't look like it could have a fan

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elmojo:

oh really... that's cool

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wagnerrp:

it has a little centrifugal fan, like you see on graphics cards

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sid3windr:

cooler is optional @ zotan

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sid3windr:

so you can get it with one

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GreyFoxx:

fleers: I'd go diskless nfsroot for mine just like my current FE's

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elmojo:

fleers: just ordered almost the same setup... what are you using for power supply?

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fleers:

GreyFoxx, sid3windr: yeah, that's my thinking as well

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fleers:

elmojo: min's still in transit, but the package I bought comes with an external – http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BA5IHW/ref=oss_product

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bjd:

hey all, I'm a newbie to DVB-S and i'm moving into a flat which has a communal satelite dish

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bjd:

i'm guessing i can't simply have multiple dvb-s cards and split teh cable into two?

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wagnerrp:

generally, no

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wagnerrp:

each receiver needs its own LNB

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elmojo:

fleers: ok, you got the one with the PSU... I ordered a PicoPSU for mine

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elmojo:

GreyFoxx: what do you boot with to use nfsroot?

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bjd:

wagnerrp: so would i need to run two cables or is there a smarter way of doing it?

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elmojo:

usb stick or something

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wagnerrp:

bjd: so you need a dish intended for multiple receivers

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bjd:

i'm guessing thats already in place if it's a communal dish

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bjd:

i.e. one dish serving lots of flats

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elmojo:

fleers: looks like neither one of our Zotac boards come with the fan... wonder what we should do about that?

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wagnerrp:

in that case, they may have the hardware set up to run a small cable headend

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fleers:

elmojo: i was going to see how it actually ran fanless. the m350 has a fan option, can be added later … here's the diskless FE link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Diskless_Frontend

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wagnerrp:

fleers: you can try, but i doubt youll get enough airflow through that case for it to work

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wagnerrp:

youll end up like that dolt on the -users list a couple days ago, asking how to filter out all these 'cpu overheat warnings' in his logs

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bjd:

lol =/

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: looks like a few users have the m350 case and don't use fans... but they might find their systems fail prematurely too

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: I think Jim S. mentioned he has 3 ion systems and none have fans

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wagnerrp:

looks like that case is just one giant vent, i could believe that might work

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elmojo:

he uses m350 cases too

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wagnerrp:

but something like the M300, theres not a chance

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: what do you think about the picopsu-80 for an ION -> http://www.mini-box.com/site/ComparisonChart.htm

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elmojo:

says it supports 3A on the 12V rail

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wagnerrp:

likely plenty

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elmojo:

I'm wondering if that's pushing it or not

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elmojo:

I'm going to call them and ask

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wagnerrp:

the one Zotac ships with is only 90W

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wagnerrp:

and thats probably because they chose a generic AC/DC supply

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elmojo:

and they also need to plan for someone adding optical drives, multiple hard drives, etc

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elmojo:

the most I'll have is a 2.5" hard disk

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elmojo:

but might go diskless if I can get it working without much effort

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wagnerrp:

at least ubuntu is little more than point and click

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elmojo:

I've got ubuntu... you mean it's almost as easy as point and click

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wagnerrp:

weve had people in here before having problems with their diskless system, because they had absolutely no comprehension of what it was doing

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wagnerrp:

so it cant be that hard

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wagnerrp:

stuff like... 'why do changes to my system get lost after a reboot'

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elmojo:

I'll check to see if Mythbuntu has some good instructions

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elmojo:

unfortunately my ion frontend will be used for development too

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wagnerrp:

supposedly the mythbuntu guys didnt even have to do much, its all part of the ubuntu ltsp package

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clever:

wagnerrp: i never bothered looking for a 'proper' setup to boot from ram, i made my own from scratch

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: I'm reading that the TDP of the 9400M is only 12 watts and the atom is 4W -> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-ion-atom,2153–4.html

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wagnerrp:

that seems extremely low

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elmojo:

most people see around 20W at the wall at idle and high 20s under load

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elmojo:

at 70% efficiency that sounds possible

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elmojo:

you also have to include a couple DIMMs which are a few watts plus hard drive plus fan

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wagnerrp:

ok, so the power ratings were post-PSU

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wagnerrp:

i guess that makes sense

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elmojo:

what all components use the 12V rail? I know the CPU and GPU

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wagnerrp:

most things use the 12V

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elmojo:

that's why I'm concerned about the 3A@12V for that power supply

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elmojo:

don't want to max it out

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wagnerrp:

if youre running diskless/driveless, you wont get anywhere close to that

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sphery:

Tanthrix: TTBOMK, I did unban him (unless I did it wrong)

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elmojo:

even with a 2.5" I shouldn't get close to it either

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sphery:

Tanthrix: But thanks for the reminder (or for letting me know I did it wrong, if you know something I don't :). I think I unbanned him shortly after the issue came up-- http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010-01–30 at 06:14:14 , with originals at 05:28:25)

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sphery:

Tanthrix: looked like either he fixed his client to work with the new ircd or freenode up'ed the limit around then

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wagnerrp:

sphery: still shows up as banned here

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** sphery calls in the informed **

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wagnerrp:

'Agrajag-!*@*'

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sphery:

iamlindoro: wanna help :)

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : -b Agrajag!*@*

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sphery:

iamlindoro: thanks. :)

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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wagnerrp:

so what is this 'makemkv' and when did it get bluray decryption support?

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Squidy:

hi there.. i've got some .rmvb files.. but playing those in mythtv are very slow..

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wagnerrp:

didnt the internet at large decide realplayer was evil like 10 years ago?

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sid3windr:

stamp format video files ftw

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: Wow, that's a new one to me..... if it works for most videos them that would be pretty sweet :)

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Squidy:

how can I improve the rmvb performance inside mythtv

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Squidy:

?

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iamlindoro:

it's a non open-source blu ray ripper/decrypter-- not as capable as AnyDVD, but stimulates the stealy folks Free-Spot

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iamlindoro:

can do limited BD+

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iamlindoro:

and AACS, of course

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GreyFoxx:

Does anyone still sell combo hddvd/blueray drives ?

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wagnerrp:

supposedly it is open source... http://makemkv.com/download/makemkv_v1.4.9_beta_oss.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: TTBOMK not eh BD+ parts or the AACS keys

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iamlindoro:

er not the

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wagnerrp:

Squidy: i would recommend re-ripping from the source, using a more well recognized format

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sphery:

there's no mention of FOSS-ness on http://www.makemkv.com/ , so I wonder if the same stealy folks who steal videos stole the program to rip the videos...

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Squidy:

humm.. but, is there a way to improve the performance...

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sphery:

Squidy: I'm guessing that you're one of a /very/ small number of users who want to play that video type with Myth, so chances are you'll have to write the code to better support it.

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wagnerrp:

Squidy: rmvb is a closed format, meaning the only support will come from reversed engineering the format

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wagnerrp:

we get some support of it upstream from ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

but your best option is just to use a more common format in the future

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

dump realplayer

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wagnerrp:

and stop using it to encode your stuff

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sphery:

and re-rip all the garbage you ripped with that

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Squidy:

humm.. understood..

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jolaren:

On my backend server I apparently needed to install a windowmanager to install the backend, now that I'm done with that. Is it possible to remove the X (drains memory)? I mean X forwarding over SSH doesnt require a manager

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: just stop the X server

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wagnerrp:

and get instructions from your distro on how to disable X from starting on boot

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jolaren:

ok i guess

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jolaren:

np

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jolaren:

thx

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wagnerrp:

X is completely separated from general linux functionality

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wagnerrp:

however your distro may have something like xdm/kdm/gdm set up to automatically restart itself when X closes

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wagnerrp:

that would have to be stopped as well

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** sid3windr does not have a window manager on the backend **

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sid3windr:

only x libs

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jolaren:

20mb left on the root partition

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jolaren:

cant even login to x

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wagnerrp:

how did you manage that?

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jolaren:

good question

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wagnerrp:

lots o' logs?

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jolaren:

is it possible to move the "/" without changing bootorder?

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jolaren:

or sorry

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jolaren:

will ask my os that

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wagnerrp:

its rather difficult to move '/' without having another system to do it with

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wagnerrp:

how big is your root?

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wagnerrp:

im only using just under 2GB for a full install on my fe/be

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jolaren:

2.4gig

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wagnerrp:

why so small?

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jolaren:

Installed without a screen

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jolaren:

I took a shot and the directory came on the smallest partitio

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jolaren:

n

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jolaren:

Really stupid I know

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jolaren:

I don't know how to fix this now

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wagnerrp:

do you have any recordings you need to keep?

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jolaren:

nothing

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jolaren:

i've wiped it all already

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jolaren:

just ran a apt-get clean

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wagnerrp:

trash the whole system and restart

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is a lot easier the second time around

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jolaren:

oh you mean reinstall?

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jolaren:

your probarbly right.. but then I need to go to the addict to take down the cd player again

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jolaren:

that would suck

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wagnerrp:

unless youve got a second machine handy that you can toss the disk into and repartition

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jolaren:

gah your so right but damn I really dont want to but I guess i have no choice

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jolaren:

took me 3 days to configure mythtv backend

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wagnerrp:

was that including general system configs?

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jolaren:

yeah

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jolaren:

installin the dvb-t card and the reader

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jolaren:

etc

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jolaren:

it was hell and beyond

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wagnerrp:

make a list of your system packages

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wagnerrp:

and make a copy of your /etc

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jolaren:

perhaps I can expand "/"

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wagnerrp:

reinstall the packages on the new system, and merge the config files over

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Sedorox:

has anyone tried to do anything with the service port on TV's? i.e. can you control them through it?

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: not on a live system

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wagnerrp:

what is the next partition after that?

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wagnerrp:

Sedorox: some TVs have ports specifically for remote control, most dont

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wagnerrp:

and the service port typically cannot be used for that

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jolaren:

gah

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: what is the next partition after root?

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GreyFoxx:

mine has a serial port specifically for controlling it... I have a service/usb port but I have never plugged anything into it

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; could i copy the entire root partition and paste it to i.e an ftp.. then same with everything else such as bootup scripts etc

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jolaren:

It's not more than let's say 5gig

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Sedorox:

Ah, I just got a new vizio, and it has a service port... wasn't sure if it could be used to control it by myth or the like

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: what is the next partition after root?

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wagnerrp:

Sedorox: most likely not

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; 2 esc

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jolaren:

sec

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Sedorox:

yea, kinda figured not

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wagnerrp:

basically, if its some garbage partition that you can drop

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wagnerrp:

you can expand the root partition to fill its space

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: what's the hyperion command to get a banlist?

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wagnerrp:

and then expand the root file system to fill the partition

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; guess sdc6 comes after

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: no idea... i just pulled up the 'ban list' window on xchat

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iamlindoro:

ah, fair enough

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: i mean, what is it used for

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GreyFoxx:

that can be done on most any ircd by /mode #channel +b

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GreyFoxx:

the same command that sets the ban

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GreyFoxx:

if given no parameters it returns the current list

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; wait gonna run webmin

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iamlindoro:

didn't see that he had a "-" after his nick

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: thanks

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; 172.57 MB (swap) comes after

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jolaren:

before is an extended disc

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jolaren:

and a 16 gig partition for /home/

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jolaren:

which is so stupid

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if you want

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wagnerrp:

you can toss in a livecd, repartition so root fills in some of that space

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wagnerrp:

and expand the partition

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wagnerrp:

but ive never done that in linux

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jolaren:

suck

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jolaren:

oh sorry

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jolaren:

suck becomes something different in english

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jolaren:

im tired

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wagnerrp:

suck becomes... suck, a vacuum-like effect, or something 'not good'

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jolaren:

but i think I should be able to fit root into 2.4gig

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wagnerrp:

you said youre failing to right now

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wagnerrp:

you could move /usr to a separate partition, in which case / would hold very little

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jolaren:

I am, but I will have to take a look at see what's clogging the space

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wagnerrp:

'du -h --max-depth=1'

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jolaren:

4.0K ./.aptitude 4.0K ./.mythtv 8.0K ./.config 24K ./.gnupg 4.0K ./.debatgs 56K .

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gyrfalcon:

Could anyone recomend a half-height PCI card that would be compatible with myth TV similar to the WinTV-HVR-2250 (This one is PCI-e which I can't use)

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jolaren:

mh

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; thats barely nothing .. dun understand why the space is gone

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: do it from /

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jolaren:

its loadin

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jolaren:

/usr/ was 1.2 gig

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jolaren:

which is half the space

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jolaren:

Gaah :P

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; I think I'm managin to movin /usr now atleast

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dewman:

Does anyone have any time to check out some log files for me? I think i really borked my system up playing around with the config.xml files. I was trying to fix the frontend during a reboot showing the language selection screen.

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dewman:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f7fd6391a

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wagnerrp:

i would reboot your backends

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wagnerrp:

they seem to be borked

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dewman:

yeah I have done that at least 20 times....

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dewman:

I removed all those mysql files so all I have now is the config.xml From what I understand there should be nothing as localhost correct? I am using a frontend/backend combo...

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wagnerrp:

it looks like youre running a slave backend

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dewman:

mysql.txt files.

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dewman:

really? thats odd

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wagnerrp:

you must have your local server IP set to something wrong

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wagnerrp:

because youre connecting back to yourself

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wagnerrp:

as a slave

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wagnerrp:

which is where your problem is

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dewman:

the control center shows primary backend and desktop frontend.

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wagnerrp:

open mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

first item, first page

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wagnerrp:

you should have two fields for an IP

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dewman:

yep.

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wagnerrp:

both fields should have 192.168.1.251

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dewman:

ok....First one was localhost. I changed that.

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wagnerrp:

it must be an IP, not a name

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dewman:

correction...127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

on the MBE, they both must be set to the same thing

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dewman:

ok, they are now both 251

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wagnerrp:

and if you want computers on your network to be able to access mythtv, they must not be set to 127.0.0.1

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dewman:

ok those are changed, should i bounce mysql and the backend?

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wagnerrp:

just restart the backend

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wagnerrp:

mysql doesnt care

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dewman:

ok

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dewman:

done

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dewman:

selecting watch tv shows the following. mythtv is using all inputs but there are no active recordings

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dewman:

here is a new log gather if that helps. http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/fc46286d

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cipher42:

test

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dewman:

the other thing that I noticed is that on mythweb it shows encoder 3 is remote on dell and not active

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cipher42:

anyone know if the hauppauge 1800's analog is working with mythtv yet?

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devinheitmueller:

cipher42: there have been no changes to its status.

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cipher42:

wow, i guess i should get something else for analog then..

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cipher42:

thanks

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devinheitmueller:

np

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; managed to completly crash the installation.. atleast I managed to save /usr

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devinheitmueller:

cipher42: yeah, sorry I don't have a better answer for you. There is insufficient time/interest on part of the developers who are most capable to make that board work.

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cipher42:

thanks for the info

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gizmobay:

does anyone know where the theme cache size setting is?

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jamesd2:

why would anyone want to use an analog tv capture board anyway.. if you must use it, buy a used one that is supported, they should be dirt cheap these days since all of the u.s.a. is digital...

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cipher42:

verizon offers analog or digital

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cipher42:

and analog takes up MUCH less room on a hdd

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gizmobay:

nevermind I found it

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jolaren:

will need to redo my entire server

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jolaren:

god this sux

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cipher42:

do pvr-150's have hardware encoders?

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gizmobay:

yes

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cipher42:

i have a Leadtek WinFast TV2000 XP, but it doesn't

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cipher42:

suppose i should hook up a pvr-150 for cheap

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devinheitmueller:

Well, it's true that analog gives you the advantage of being to control the bitrate depending on your requirements.

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devinheitmueller:

(while with digital the card just passes through the MPEG at whatever bitrate it was broadcasted at)

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gizmobay:

I really like my pvr150

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jolaren:

before my server crashed I atleast managed to save the /usr directory of my server

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jolaren:

Should I export it over or just rerun the whole config part?

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high-rez:

I have been occassionally hitting a problem where the frontend render thread fails to die off – or myabe it does die off – but when creating a new thread, we see an error because it thinks there's already a render thread hogging the resource. The result is "Failed to initialize A/V sync" on screen message. Is this a known issue ?

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sphery:

high-rez: which version of Myth?

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high-rez:

sphery: trunk.

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high-rez:

What's strange is I think it's related to using opengl vs qt for rendering. I switched back to qt – and I haven't seen this bug again.

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Beirdo:

how's netsplit-central today?

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sphery:

high-rez: Yeah, I know that markk mentioned some OpenGL issues due to the way we're doing video playback... He has a plan that will fix them in the long term, but I don't know if he knows that some people are experiencing that issue with the current trunk. You may want to mention it to him in #mythtv (just leave the message with his nick up front and he'll see it) or send a message to the -dev list (and mention that you hang ...

[17:38:28]

sphery:

... out in IRC and your nick in case he wants to talk to you).

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sphery:

Beirdo: hasn't seemed too bad to me, today. Perhaps things are settling, now.

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Beirdo:

cool :)

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high-rez:

sphery: Cool, sent a notice. I looked for a bug but could never find one for it in trac. It's hard to debug as the frontend becomes useless to you restart it, but doesn't core out on you, so i can't provide a straight forward stacktrace.

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dustybin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4&am . . . yer_embedded

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dewman:

I finally got my frontend to work. after removing the channels,dvb card,listings etc the front end finally came up....Now the only issue is the database and mythweb, its not showing the recorded programs...

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dewman:

I thought about removing mythweb and re-installing it to see if that would correct the no listing issue..

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dewman:

wagnerrp, thanks for your help today....

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: That was really funny... ;-)

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dustybin:

imagine walking into a room and the lights turn on automatically

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natanojl:

J-e-f-f-A, dustybin: there is one about LTE as well, it's also funny

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dustybin:

then if no motion is detected after a certain period, the light turns off

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dustybin:

http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/marmitek-x10-m . . . -p-1020.html

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: yeah, I've got that capability now... it's called X10 motion detectors and X10 light switches... and 'heyu' running on my Linux box...

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frogonwheels:

dustybin: I've actually got one room that does that in my house.

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sid3windr:

heyu, lissen wadda seyu!

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: my university has been transitioning classrooms over to that for a good seven years now

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sid3windr:

or.. heyu, the rocksteady cru?:p

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wagnerrp:

and the concept has been around for decades

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Any update on the voting site, btw? we should now have three (LCARS, TransBlue, Childish)

[18:26:39]

iamlindoro:

final submissions due tonight, and we can easily take a few days before publicizing it

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kormoc:

I have a quick one done on my home box, I'll merge it into the site tonight if all goes to plan and we should be golden

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iamlindoro:

slick-- out of curiosity, any easy way for me to update tarballs, etc. if there are new submissions?

[18:27:38]

iamlindoro:

also is this just public voting or do we have a way to sort out devs versus public?

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kormoc:

Aye, it's a simple array, just add a few new elements and it should appear

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iamlindoro:

if it's just public, we can vote on-list and take the public one at the end

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kormoc:

this was just public

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iamlindoro:

cool

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kormoc:

as we don't really have a way to auth devs via the web interface right now

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iamlindoro:

no worries, that should work fine, we can vote on -developers

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: well, it's not like mythtv-dev is really restricted to developers.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: That's not the list we'd use ;)

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iamlindoro:

-developers != -dev

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devinheitmueller:

Oh. the *secret* developers list. Ah!

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devinheitmueller:

Damn. It's moderated. So much for it just being unadvertised... :-/

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dewman:

so I ran into another issue when running update manager.... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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dewman:

what the heck? how could the system get so borked just by an ip address issue..

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jolaren:

Is there swedish tabloe for tv? Like so i can see what I'm watching.. I need it for my recording

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sphery:

you mean a Swedish listings provider?

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sphery:

jolaren: if so, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV

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jolaren:

sphery; thx

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jolaren:

How do I add the adress?

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jolaren:

Lol imagine if I'd only installed using the mythbuntu cd instead of installing ubuntu server

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jolaren:

Would have saved me SOOO much time

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jolaren:

How do I install a listing provider?

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sphery:

jolaren: you need to install XMLTV, then select the appropriate XMLTV grabber when you configure your video source

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jolaren:

ook

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jolaren:

i'm on it

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jolaren:

sphery; Well It's installed now, where do I browse for it?

[20:15:50]

jolaren:

mythtv-setup?

[20:16:35]

sphery:

mythtv-setup under video sources

[20:16:45]

jolaren:

Right

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jolaren:

my "/" partition is full so I need to clean it firsts -.-

[20:17:30]

wagnerrp:

again?

[20:18:02]

wagnerrp:

just a heads up, youll probably have better luck getting help with XMLTV in the morning

[20:18:29]

wagnerrp:

folks from the currently-awake parts dont use it

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jolaren:

same-o wagnerrp

[20:21:52]

jolaren:

It's the same old installation

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jolaren:

cant connect with -X forwarding now

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jolaren:

cuz the disc is full

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nikosapi:

Is there some way to really force a channel update? Even if I run mythfilldatabase the channel list doesn't match what I have selected on schedulesdirect...

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wagnerrp:

nikosapi: digital or analog?

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nikosapi:

analog

[20:31:02]

nikosapi:

but I have both

[20:31:26]

nikosapi:

3 lineups actually, OTA digital, analog cable and digital cable

[20:32:19]

nikosapi:

right now I don't have any listings from my analog cable lineup and my digital cable lineup doesn't match what I set on SD

[20:32:31]

sphery:

mythfilldatabase won't ever add ATSC channels to a lineup because usually you can't get them without additional info

[20:33:04]

nikosapi:

that's ok, I'm not having a problem with those

[20:33:26]

wagnerrp:

just go into mythtv-setup, and 'grab channels from listing provider'

[20:33:27]

sphery:

so if you're trying to get ATSC channels into an OTA digital video source that's used with analog capture and an HDTV converter box, you need to do a mythfilldatabase --help and read the args

[20:33:53]

sphery:

same thing applies to digital cable with an STB and an analog capture device

[20:34:10]

sphery:

so the only one for which mythfilldatabase may add channels is the analog cable video source

[20:34:23]

wagnerrp:

sphery: oh? i thought analog capture on an STB could use a SD lineup

[20:34:38]

wagnerrp:

since it was just a single number you would use for tuning

[20:34:44]

nikosapi:

STB?

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sphery:

it can, you just have to tell mythfilldatabase "trust me, I know what I'm doing"

[20:34:49]

sphery:

set-top box

[20:34:50]

wagnerrp:

set top box

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sphery:

cable box

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nikosapi:

oh

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sphery:

mythfilldatabase --help has the arg you need

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** wagnerrp wonders if sphery has been drinking coffee **

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sphery:

heh, just been practicing my "type faster than wagnerrp" skills :)

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nikosapi:

I had another question, is it possible to use a newer frontend client with an older backend?

[20:39:18]

wagnerrp:

no

[20:39:24]

nikosapi:

darn

[20:39:43]

wagnerrp:

you _must_ match the same schema rev and backend proto rev on all connected systems

[20:40:06]

wagnerrp:

official mythtv programs will refuse to work otherwise

[20:40:27]

wagnerrp:

some third party stuff simply spoofs what it is, to continue operation

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nikosapi:

I suspect xbmc does this :P

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wagnerrp:

iit at least did at one point

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[20:42:34]

sphery:

after all, what possible harm could come of sending invalid data over the network or writing invalid data to the database or omitting certain key information from network or database requests

[20:44:16]

wagnerrp:

of course... the backend should just be set up to sanitize improper data

[20:44:21]

nikosapi:

It's not the easiest problem to solve, but it's annoying is all

[20:44:30]

wagnerrp:

oh wait, thats what the check is for

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sphery:

wagnerrp: right, and invent missing data

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kormoc:

that's what column default values are for!

[20:45:13]

wagnerrp:

nikosapi: basically... the connection code would massively bloat if it were to enable connection to all previous versions

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kormoc:

plus keep bugs alive

[20:45:37]

wagnerrp:

and you outright cant do it with the database

[20:45:47]

nikosapi:

I hear ya :)

[20:45:54]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, and since we know that all mythtv systems are configured identically--which is why there are not /any/ settings in Myth--those defaults will always work great :)

[20:46:04]

wagnerrp:

thats why official standards take several years to hash out

[20:46:17]

wagnerrp:

and even then, they still get updated

[20:46:33]

wagnerrp:

i mean were on our fifth HTML in 20 years?

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nikosapi:

I just can't believe the protocol changes that much

[20:47:12]

nikosapi:

at least we know it's being worked on :)

[20:47:39]

wagnerrp:

basically, the protocol is bumped any time anything related to is is changed

[20:48:04]

wagnerrp:

add a new field to the recording data, add a new event, tweak some function....

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sphery:

nikosapi: if you never install a "newer frontend client", it never changes :)

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sphery:

protocol version is currently 56 and database schema version is 1254, so you can estimate how often things change from that :)

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wagnerrp:

well the proto has only bumped up 25 since 0.20 in... late 2006?

[20:50:03]

nikosapi:

that's the problem, my backend and most of my frontends are running ubuntu 8.04–9.04, my laptop runs fedora which always seems to have a much newer version of mythtv than ubuntu

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jolaren:

sphex; the swedish listing is soo ugly :P

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sphery:

nikosapi: but--though it's not a supported configuration--if you're talking about running MythTV 0.22-fixes from November 2009 with MythTV 0.22-fixes from Feb 2010, that should work

[20:51:12]

nikosapi:

I see

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wagnerrp:

right, the fixes branch will never see a change in proto or schema for any reason

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sphery:

(only supported configuration involves all systems using the exact same SVN revision of the exact same branch, but mixing within a release version generally works--Myth will stop you if it won't)

[20:51:36]

sphery:

s/for any reason/except for grave bugs/

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sphery:

we actually have had bumps in versions in -fixes before

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wagnerrp:

s/except for grave bugs/for any reason/

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wagnerrp:

the only time ive seen that happen, myth got bumped a minor revision as well

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wagnerrp:

0.20 --> 0.20.0

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wagnerrp:

.2

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/226499#226499 well within the -fixes branch

[20:53:07]

sphery:

and no associated release number bump

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wagnerrp:

i stand corrected

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sphery:

but, those are /very/ unusual

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jolaren:

bash: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup: No such file or directory

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wagnerrp:

i should know better than to try to argue against encyclopedia sphery... :P

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jolaren:

isnt that the location?

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sphery:

heh :)

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nikosapi:

where can I get the sourceid numbers for use with mythfilldatabase's --sourceid flag?

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sphery:

nikosapi: they're the videosource ID's from your DB

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nikosapi:

meh, I just update everything

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sphery:

or, you can figure them out by the fact that channel ID's are <source_id> * 1000 + <some number to represent a channel>

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nikosapi:

how does this look: mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --do-not-filter-new-channels --refresh-all

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sphery:

and you can find the channel ID's by looking at the name of a recording

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jolaren:

bash: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup: No such file or directory

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jolaren:

Isn't that strange?!

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nikosapi:

jolaren: have a look in /usr/local/bin

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sphery:

so, 1021_20100201200000.mpg was made on channel ID 1021 from source ID 1

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sphery:

jolaren: plus: which mythtv-setup

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nikosapi:

ahhhh

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jolaren:

sphery; backend

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sphery:

jolaren: I mean run the command: which mythtv-setup

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sphery:

:)

[20:56:58]

jolaren:

haha

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jolaren:

sphery; gives me nothing

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: just realized that the m350 case spec states that it can be used as a fanless system if TDP < 10 Watts so gotta have a fan for an ION in that enclosure even thought it has all those holes

[20:58:15]

wagnerrp:

thats... not good...

[20:58:36]

wagnerrp:

elmojo: do you need a case?

[20:58:53]

wagnerrp:

any reason you couldnt just bolt it to the side of your tv cabinet?

[20:59:03]

jolaren:

sphery; this happend after the apt-get xmltv

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elmojo:

yes... maybe I should glue it or something

[21:00:14]

sphery:

jolaren: hmmm.... other than suggesting a reboot, I won't be much help (as I don't know how your distro/package manager/... works)

[21:00:47]

** sphery waits for all the zealots to cry, "But you shouldn't ever have to reboot a Linux box!" **

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jolaren:

ye you shouldn't!

[21:01:03]

iamlindoro:

nope, we banned them

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sphery:

IMHO, that does not mean, "It's /always/ worthwhile to spend hours/days/weeks/months trying to figure out how to reset your system without a reboot just to avoid a 60-second reboot."

[21:01:41]

sphery:

iamlindoro: ah, yeah, forgot about that :)

[21:01:46]

elmojo:

wagnerrp: that's a good idea to be honest... that case can be vesa mounted to the back of a tv so there is no reason for a top on it

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: how many themes we got so far?

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wagnerrp:

i mean the case is really only there for protection

[21:03:43]

wagnerrp:

and if its stuffed back behind some tv, youre not going to be able to reach it for it to need protection

[21:03:43]

elmojo:

wagnerrp: you mean the cover?

[21:03:57]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, three eligible, I believe

[21:04:04]

wagnerrp:

im saying dont bother with the case

[21:04:13]

iamlindoro:

LCARS, Childish, and TransBlue

[21:04:23]

wagnerrp:

just spend a couple bucks on standoffs at the local hardware store

[21:04:26]

iamlindoro:

will need to look closer to make sure they all meet the minimum, but that looks like it's probably it

[21:04:30]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: was hoping for more than that by now :(

[21:04:36]

wagnerrp:

and bolt it to your tv stand

[21:04:41]

wagnerrp:

either behind the tv

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, So was I, but it's better than nothing I guess

[21:04:45]

wagnerrp:

or underneath some shelf

[21:05:03]

wagnerrp:

preferably, you want the slots on the heatsink oriented vertically

[21:05:11]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, And better three decent ones than 10 crap ones

[21:05:18]

elmojo:

I didn't believe any would touch Arclight so it doesn't matter anyways

[21:05:25]

iamlindoro:

meh ;) But thanks

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elmojo:

wagnerrp: the m350 case is designed to be VESA mounted already so I don't have to do anything but have the 4 screws I already ordered

[21:06:35]

wagnerrp:

elmojo: youve already purchased the case?

[21:06:52]

elmojo:

shipped out today

[21:07:37]

elmojo:

from everything I've read you need a fan of some sort anyways for the ION even if no cover is used

[21:07:52]

wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind then

[21:08:03]

elmojo:

why... did you have a better recommendation?

[21:08:28]

wagnerrp:

not spending money on the case, and spending a couple bucks on stuff from the local hardware store

[21:08:45]

jolaren:

My picture doesn't cover the whole screen, there's like "bio setting" or what to call it where there's 1 stripe on the left and one on the right

[21:09:23]

elmojo:

wagnerrp: I personally like having a case

[21:10:14]

nikosapi:

wow, mythfilldatabase has been running for 10min already

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wagnerrp:

nikosapi: yeah, it takes a while

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nikosapi:

I can't remember it taking this long in the past

[21:11:12]

nikosapi:

hopefully it works :S

[21:11:19]

wagnerrp:

the first run takes a long time

[21:11:24]

wagnerrp:

subsequent runs go much faster

[21:11:32]

nikosapi:

I've had this box for more than a year

[21:12:14]

wagnerrp:

but you just updated your lineup

[21:12:25]

nikosapi:

today I just wanted to add the analog tuner of my hvr1600

[21:12:32]

bcgrown:

My database seems to have disappeared. I'm trying to follow the restore instructions on the mythtv wiki but I get an ERROR 1045 (access denied) from SQL when I try to run "mc.sql" What am i doing wrong?

[21:12:41]

nikosapi:

wagnerrp: I have it update automatically

[21:13:23]

kormoc:

bcgrown: you're typing in the wrong password

[21:13:46]

bcgrown:

kormoc: i'm using the exact same password that is displayed in the MythTV config

[21:13:56]

kormoc:

and the same user?

[21:14:19]

bcgrown:

yes

[21:14:27]

kormoc:

and the same hostname?

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bcgrown:

i am ssh'd into the box

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bcgrown:

and i typed 'mysql -umythtv -p(password) < mc.sql' as instructed

[21:15:16]

nikosapi:

oh ffs, I think I just did something stupid. Should mythbackend be running when I call mythfilldatabase?

[21:15:18]

kormoc:

something isn't right

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bcgrown:

kormoc: in response I get 'ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'

[21:17:20]

kormoc:

make sure you add a -hHostHere ?

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bcgrown:

same message

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kormoc:

something isn't the same

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kormoc:

mysql's auth is based on the tuple of host, user, and password

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bcgrown:

did you mean -hHostHere or -h(myhostname) ?

[21:19:05]

kormoc:

-h(myhostnameofthemysqlserver)

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kormoc:

whatever you're connecting to via myth

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bcgrown:

how do I find out if that is different than localhost?

[21:19:35]

bcgrown:

sorry i know ~0 about SQL

[21:20:41]

bcgrown:

what I don't understand is why it was working a couple hours ago and then all of a sudden i had no recording schedules and the next time i started the frontend it couldn't connect to the database

[21:21:30]

kormoc:

perhaps the database crashed and just needs repaired and restarted?

[21:21:31]

jolaren:

init:/etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf:1: Unknown stanza

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bcgrown:

kormoc: how might i do that?

[21:21:55]

jolaren:

thats what I get at boot

[21:22:04]

bcgrown:

kormoc: more importantly... how can i tell if that's what happened?

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kormoc:

bcgrown: by restarting mysql, check the logs to make sure it started and then check the table status via mythweb and click the repair button

[21:24:01]

kc:

jolaren: I remember yesterday you were messing around in that conf file and changed $USER to root. Did you change it back?

[21:24:04]

kormoc:

jolaren: try #ubuntu

[21:24:10]

jolaren:

nvm I edited it

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jolaren:

kc; Well yeah, I removed the file now

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kc:

jolaren: exec /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/mythbackend $ARGS" $USER

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bcgrown:

kormoc: "sudo service mysql restart" seems to have restarted it, but mythweb gives me a fatal error :(

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jolaren:

The only real problem that I have is not beein able to resize my "/" partition

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bcgrown:

/var/log/mysql.log is empty as is /var/log/mysql/

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kc:

jolaren: That's a question for #ubuntu

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jolaren:

i know

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bcgrown:

kormoc: any ideas?

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jolaren:

Seems I've lost both backend and mythv-setup

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jolaren:

Great

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what would it take to make a capture-less MBE a 'supported' configuration

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wagnerrp:

i mean ive been running in that manner for probably two years now

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kc:

bcgrown: I see you're using the mythtv user to login. Do you remember the mysql root users password?

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bcgrown:

kc: no, in fact i don't remember ever setting it. i'm using mythbuntu 9.10

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kc:

bcgrown: hrmm, not sure what mythbuntu sets it to

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kc:

bcgrown: try a blank password?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Captain_Murdoch is planning to work on it--there's one main issue that's known, then it's testing

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sphery:

though, IMHO, doing it right would mean taking out all the garbage that a tunerless backend wouldn't need

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bcgrown:

kc: apparently it is the same as the user account pw

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sphery:

i.e. put the job queue, the autoexpirer, the scheduler into an app, then use some other app for the actual recording

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kc:

bcgrown: so you got in?

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bcgrown:

kc: yes I tried a mysql -u root -pMyPassword and it worked

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bcgrown:

kc: should i be doing a repair or a restore?

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kc:

bcgrown: hrmm, reading the backlog to see what your original issue was :p

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sphery:

(where, in my example job queue includes housekeeping, though strictly speaking, it doesn't)

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kc:

bcgrown: It looks like you were trying to rebuild your database from a backup. Is that what you want or did you want to check if the db still exists?

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bcgrown:

kc: if the db still exists and can be repaired i would rather do that

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bcgrown:

kc: failing that, there do appear to be backups of the db

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kc:

bcgrown: mythbuntu, correct? If mythweb is not working try mythbuntu control center. Optimize Tables is an option

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bcgrown:

kc: i tried that when i first noticed the problem but it didn't seem to do anything. will try one more time now

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bcgrown:

kc: i dont know what feedback i'm supposed to get from that, but i dont get any...

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sphery:

bcgrown: you've not yet run the mythconverg_restore.pl script, right?

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bcgrown:

sphery: i tried it but it also didn't do anything. perhaps it got half way through and really messed things up?

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kc:

bcgrown: not sure on the feedback. I use the cron job to optimize/repair automatically instead of mcc

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sphery:

bcgrown: what's output (please pastebin) of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SHOW TABLES;"

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sphery:

bcgrown: did it give you an error?

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sphery:

it should have

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sphery:

it = mythconverg_restore.pl

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bcgrown:

hmm, i dont have the window open anymore so i'm not sure

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sphery:

it should have said something about how you're trying to restore a backup but there are tables in the database

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sphery:

(if there were tables)

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sphery:

or if you did a --partial_restore , it may well have messed things up

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bcgrown:

all I get is ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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kc:

sphery: he originally could not login as mythtv, verified that he could log in as root.

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bcgrown:

I definitely didn't do --partial_restore

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sphery:

reminds me of a change I needed to make to the restore script...

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sphery:

bcgrown: if you can't log in as mythtv user, then use: mysql -uroot -p mythconverg -e "SHOW TABLES;"

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sphery:

note, also, that "mythconverg" is /not/ the password in that command--it will prompt you for password

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sphery:

(so it doesn't put your password into the ~/.bash_history or process list or ...)

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bcgrown:

sphery: that worked, see http://pastebin.org/85239

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jolaren:

is it possible to just download the "mythbackend" file and the "mythtv-setup" file?

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sphery:

jolaren: nope... You should ask for help in your distro's channel... You'll need to fix things using your package manager (apt or rpm or ... whatever)

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jolaren:

sphery; What? I need the files ;/

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sphery:

bcgrown: so that looks like a full database schema, including some old plugin stuff

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sphery:

bcgrown: what's the original problem

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sphery:

i.e. please expand upon, "My database seems to have disappeared."

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bcgrown:

sphery: when i went to "upcoming recordings" all of the recording schedules were gone

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sphery:

can you start mythbackend, now?

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bcgrown:

sphery: i rebooted the box and then when i started mythfrontend it said "No UPnP backends found"

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sphery:

(assuming it's not already running)

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sphery:

no UPnP backends found means you need to fix your $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml or your mysql.txt file(s)

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sphery:

(and every single one of them on the system)

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bcgrown:

mythbackend is already running

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sphery:

so fix config.xml and mysql.txt

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sphery:

use locate or find to find all of them

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bcgrown:

what does fixing them consist of?

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jolaren:

sphery; the config files then, can you atleast tell me where they are saved so that I can move em and re-install packages?

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sphery:

bcgrown: btw, the error you should have gotten when trying to restore on top of an existing database is: ERROR: Unable to do a full restore. The database contains data.

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sphery:

jolaren: all config is in the database, save config.xml and mysql.txt (which tell Myth where to find the database)

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sphery:

jolaren: and mysql.txt and config.xml should be set up for you by the packages, so, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore , then feel free to completely uninstall all MythTV packages

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, the main issue with a tunerless slave is that I believe there are still a few places where the master determines which slave to talk to by traversing the encoder socket list instead of the full socket list.

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bcgrown:

sphery: all of the mysql.txt files look the same

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sphery:

just verify you have a valid backup when it completes (and not a 0-byte file or whatever)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I believe on of these is the storage calculations, so if you have storage on a tunerless slave it doesn't get reported on with the rest.

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, ^^

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sphery:

bcgrown: verify not just that (as they're likely links to one another) but also that the values inside are correct

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wagnerrp:

ah, all of my storage is on the MBE

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** sphery can't wait until the new lean, mean mythbackend calls mythrecord for each recording :) **

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bcgrown:

sphery: i have another user "dave" which is the main one i log in to on the mythtv box. his config.xml was empty so i copied the one from /etc/mythtv but I still get the "no upnp backends found"

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bcgrown:

sphery: i confirmed with diff that all of the config.xml and mysql.txt files were the same

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, people already complain about channel changing time, imagine if we had to fire up a new binary. :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I'm joking

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bcgrown:

sphery: the only difference was in /usr/share/mythtv/config.xml but is that one even used?

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: but imagine how many would be happy that the they only have to install the mythrecord binary on backends that actually have recorders!

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: besides, since only the MBE runs the scheduler and autoexpirer and housekeeper, we'd have to separate those out, too

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sphery:

then you'd only have to install mythmaster on the master backend... This could save up to 3 MiB of hard drive space on slave backends...

[22:06:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

the recorder portion could be separated out into a separate binary so even the MBE recorders are treated as remote. then the real MBE binary is tunerless and doesn't support tuners.

[22:06:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

yep

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sphery:

though in all not worth the effort

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Captain_Murdoch:

the places where it's only 3MiB must not be compiling in debug mode :)

[22:08:20]

sphery:

it would be a clean way of ensuring that we have a clean interface without the "has to have a capture card" assumption, but, meh

[22:10:40]

sphery:

Perhaps we should put something in the topic about how the channel is now +R and people must identify with nickserv

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bcgrown:

sphery: should I try to run mythconverg_restore again?

[22:10:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

it would make the master's code simpler if it considered all backends as remote. then you could run the master on your linksys. :)

[22:10:56]

sphery:

or is it now possible to remove +R--did the new ircd upgrade fix the issue?

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malocite:

testing 1 2 3

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malocite:

YAAAY :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: heh, you're starting to make me think it could be worthwhile... this may have to go on my TODO list

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sphery:

malocite: 4

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malocite:

now I can bore you all with my problems :) Thanks sphery....

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sphery:

welcome to the +R discussion :)

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malocite:

rated R huh...

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** iamlindoro still thinks #mythtv *needs* to be +R **

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malocite:

here's my situation, and I have googled the hell out of it to varrying degrees

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** malocite agrees **

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iamlindoro:

we could cut our redirects down by 90%

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sphery:

I agree... Let's swap them... +R #mythtv and -R #mythtv-users

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I think it would make sense in a lot of ways. current concept of mythbackend becomes what you run on a server you either 1) have storage on, 2) have tuners on, or 3) want to run the jobqueue on.

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sphery:

where 3) may not apply if it's only jobqueue--with mythjobqueue

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sphery:

(Though I think I'm the only person in the world who uses that)

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malocite:

I have upgraded from .21 to .21 and am now having a problem with the internal player. All videos that are widescreen are showing stretched (I am watching on a 4:3 tv) I have tried all the settings within the player to no avail and have now looked inside the mythtvfrontend log.... I am wondering if this is a clue

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'd drop mythjobqueue if mythbackend didn't have housekeeper, autoexpire, scheduler, etc extra code in it.

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malocite:

VideoOutputXv error: could not find suitable xvideo surface

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Captain_Murdoch:

I use mythjobqueue, that's why I added the init script for it.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: agreed... I almost suggested turning mythjobqueue into mythbackend and putting housekeeper, expirer, scheduler into mythmaster, but deleted the commend just because mythjobqueue is lacking the communications support, so it may be easier to make mythbackend into mythbackend...

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malocite:

....

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, basically copy mythbackend dir to something else and rip out parts of each.

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malocite:

I think I JUST found it.... after only two days of messing about..... and finally getting my message out in the room :)

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sphery:

malocite: that sounds like a) a problem with your DisplaySize and b) a problem with your Playback Profile (you should probably configure your system to use the default configuration of Slim or VDPAU Slim if you're using VDPAU)

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sphery:

malocite: i.e. do /not/ use CPU+

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sphery:

(which is what is may have defaulted to)

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malocite:

sphery: where are those settings

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sphery:

DisplaySize is an X setting: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size

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sphery:

Playback Profile group selection is Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback on 3rd screen

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malocite:

hmm.... I'm running mythbuntu 9.10 and I don't see xorg.conf....

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malocite:

did ubuntu stop using xorg?

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sphery:

malocite: the critical part of DisplaySize is whatever you set /must/ have the same ratio as the physical aspect ratio of your monitor/TV. So, if you have a 16:9 widescreen TV, use display size that's a 16:9 multiple (like "16 9" or "32 18" or "160 90" or 320 180" or ...)

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sphery:

pretty sure they use x.org... I'm guessing they'd be the least likely to go back to XFree86

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sphery:

(just based on the whole eglibc politics)

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sphery:

malocite: though they use a "config-less" X, TTBOMK

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sphery:

malocite: so you may not find that file

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sphery:

malocite: also, do you have Xinerama enabled? If so, you need to set the "Monitor Aspect Ratio" under TV playback settings

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sphery:

if you don't see that setting, you don't have Xinerama. If you see it, it /must/ be set properly.

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malocite:

xfce doesn't give you a lot of config options for your displays.... just resolution

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sphery:

malocite: oops, Monitor aspect ratio is in Appearance Settings

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malocite:

not like the ubuntu I am used to

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sphery:

yeah, they set it up so X reads info from your display and uses it (meaning it's likely right)

[22:22:58]

sphery:

so check the Xinerama "Monitor Aspect Ratio" setting, instead

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sphery:

(they also end up with Xinerama, also, because of the config-less X)

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malocite:

just looking for those settings now

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sphery:

malocite: and if you're using a monitor with non-square pixels (i.e. the ratio of your monitor's Y and X resolution is different from the ratio of your monitor's physical Y and X measurements), you may need to fix their configuration of X to not force 100DPI square pixels (something like--the inappropriately placed-- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size#Mythbuntu )

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sphery:

It's Utilities/Setup|Setup|Appearance, I think

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malocite:

its a television, a 4:3 television with a VGA input on it

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sphery:

for Xinerama "Monitor Aspect Ratio" setting (and only appears when you have Xinerama enabled)

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nikosapi:

does mythweb not show two channels if they have the same number?

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sphery:

malocite: running at what X resolution: xdpyinfo | grep -B 2 resolution

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sphery:

nikosapi: if they have the same channel number and the same callsign, they're not shown 2 times right next to each other (as doing so would be useless)

[22:26:39]

nikosapi:

for instance, on my digital cable 27 is some descriptive video channel but on my analog cable input 27 is CNN

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nikosapi:

sphery: nah, they're very different :)

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malocite:

screen #0:

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sphery:

nikosapi: you should only use the same channel number if the channels are identical and you /must/ only use the same callsign if the channels are identical

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malocite:

640x480 77x77 dots per inch

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nikosapi:

sphery: I didn't choose the number, that's just what they happen to be

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sphery:

malocite: so 640x480 is 4:3 and your TV is 4:3, so you're good on square pixels (and 77x77 DPI is good for square pixels)

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sphery:

malocite: so, I'd say you need to set the Xinerama "Monitor Aspect Ratio" setting

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sphery:

nikosapi: but it's your responsibility to edit them appropriately for your config

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sphery:

the channel number isn't /that/ important (it's only used for display purposes and to let you tune a channel directly in LiveTV)

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malocite:

I'm gonna try something... brb

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nikosapi:

sphery: ok, I'll do that

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sphery:

the callsign is critical--it must be unique for each channel whose content differs

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nikosapi:

they are

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sphery:

nikosapi: use the mythtv-setup or mythweb or frontend channel editor to edit them

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sphery:

you can edit channel number (don't change frequency ID--which will likely be the same as channel number) and can edit name and callsign (but /must/ use a unique callsign for each unique channel)

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nikosapi:

but if the same channel is on 2 inputs they should have the same number and callsign, right?

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sphery:

meaning only share a callsign if both channels have identical content

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malocite:

there may be an issue in my version of ubuntu preventing Xv from working... trying a work around now

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sphery:

right, same channel on 2 inputs it can have the same callsign (to tell the scheduler it can record "this channel" rules off either channel) or you can use different callsigns (so you can tell the scheduler, "If I create a 'this channel' rule, only record it from the channel on this source."

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bcgrown:

sphery: i tried "mythconverg_restore.pl --directory /var/backups --filename mythconverg.sql.gz" and i got "ERROR: The database does not exist" Where do I go next?

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sphery:

bcgrown: I think your database is fine--you just need to fix the config.xml and/or mysql.txt

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sphery:

bcgrown: the easiest thing, though, is to just answer the questions that the dialog you're seeing is asking you

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sphery:

i.e. tell it where to find your backend

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bcgrown:

sphery: but I've checked config.xml and mysql.txt and they are both fine. i.e. they both have the correct location for the database

[22:32:53]

sphery:

malocite: yeah, Myth won't really work without Xv, so you'll need to fix that. you can use xvinfo to see if it's configured/working

[22:33:18]

sphery:

bcgrown: then restart the backend and/or reboot the machine

[22:33:30]

sphery:

and if you get the same no upnp backends, just answer the questions

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malocite:

sphery: that was the issue

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malocite:

just made the change to grub and added nomodeset to the file, rebooted, everything works now

[22:34:58]

sphery:

nice...

[22:35:01]

sphery:

glad it's working

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malocite:

thats shameful.... how is a regular user supposed to know that....

[22:35:13]

malocite:

frackin ubuntu....

[22:35:20]

sphery:

Life is better with MythTV. (TM)

[22:35:37]

malocite:

mythtv yes.... ubuntu... not today :)

[22:36:20]

sphery:

malocite: They would log into #mythtv-users on freenode, then ask questions for a couple of days, then figure out they have to identify with nickserv, then ask the question such that it actually goes through, then figure it out themselves, of course. :)

[22:36:33]

malocite:

now if I could just figure out how to get mythvideo to display my screenshots again instead of 22 of the same dvd cover I'd be set

[22:36:44]

malocite:

sphery: that sounds about right....

[22:38:39]

bcgrown:

sphery: rebooted the machine and started mythfrontend. it went straight into the setup screen so i told it use english, got the "no upnp backends" message, then accepted the settings for the backend (which haven't changed and still show up properly), but it just said "cannot connect to database" and exited

[22:40:16]

sphery:

So that means your MySQL permissions are probably broken (which is why it's asking you for the DB connection info).

[22:40:22]

malocite:

sphery: are you familiar with how to set screenshots as cover files for individual episodes and not the dvd case as is the default option?

[22:40:24]

sphery:

So you need to clean them up

[22:40:32]

sphery:

which is a /much/ larger/more complex issue

[22:41:25]

sphery:

malocite: No, I'm not. I think I remember seeing discussion of it on the mythtv-users list.

[22:41:27]

bcgrown:

sphery: how would those have gotten broken? i mean, everything was peachy yesterday and i haven't made any changes to the system

[22:41:32]

sphery:

malocite: it's multiple files, right?

[22:41:42]

sphery:

malocite: I think you just have to name them properly, but I'm just guessing

[22:41:54]

malocite:

hmmm..... this log is quite telling :)

[22:41:56]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing

[22:42:10]

malocite:

Screenshot download finished: Error writing image to file myth://Screenshots@127.0.0.1:6543/30 Rock Season 3x2_screenshot.jpg. 1

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sphery:

bcgrown: that I couldn't tell you

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malocite:

read that :)

[22:42:26]

malocite:

and the other one :)

[22:42:34]

sphery:

malocite: that likely means that your $HOME/.mythtv directory isn't properly writable

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bcgrown:

sphery: ok, but how do i fix it?

[22:42:54]

sphery:

malocite: or your mythvideo directory

[22:43:02]

sphery:

malocite: read those two mythvideo links I posts

[22:43:36]

malocite:

sphery: I have... but I'm going to go into the storage groups setup and make sure I didn't make a typo

[22:44:15]

malocite:

that seems like something someone who missed a +R would do

[22:44:30]

sphery:

bcgrown: best I can give you is http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql , but say that it's quite possible that what's in there now will prevent just that from working, so you'll likely have to remove all the permissions in there for that host and then fix them

[22:45:47]

bcgrown:

*le sigh*

[22:46:47]

bcgrown:

do i still need to do that if i just want to restore a backup?

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sphery:

bcgrown: yes because the MySQL permissions are a MySQL thing, not a Myth thing

[22:48:10]

sphery:

bcgrown: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/common-errors.html

[22:48:48]

sphery:

bcgrown: test from the command line--get it so you can connect with a mysql client: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

[22:49:02]

sphery:

then fix Myth (though, likely, Myth will just work, then)

[22:49:03]

nutron:

yikes, so many of the articles are outdated in the wiki. I wonder if a small little box somewhere indicating what mythtv version the article was intended for would be useful?

[22:50:39]

malocite:

how do you see the owner of a directory? I am thinking its a permissions issue

[22:50:48]

nutron:

ls -l

[22:51:12]

nikosapi:

sphery: I did it, all the unique channels have their own numbers

[22:51:14]

sphery:

or ls -ld

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malocite:

interesting.... I don't think root is the correct owner :)

[22:51:21]

nikosapi:

sphery: and it works!

[22:51:29]

sphery:

nikosapi: great... :)

[22:51:44]

sphery:

(that saves me typing all the "If you're still missing channels in the guide..." part :)

[22:51:53]

nikosapi:

:)

[22:52:06]

sphery:

nikosapi: just make sure that callsigns are different for different channels--that's the one critical config issue with channels

[22:52:24]

nikosapi:

yes, the callsigns are all different

[22:52:33]

sphery:

great, then you're properly configured :)

[22:52:37]

malocite:

if it says malocite root that means its owned by malocite in the root group right?

[22:53:03]

nikosapi:

is it possible to stream live tv from mythweb?

[22:54:10]

sphery:

malocite: yeah, you also need to look at the permissions (i.e. rwxrwxr-x would mean only malocite and root could write to it--not mythtv)

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malocite:

drwxrwxrwx 15 malocite malocite 4096 2010-02–01 21:45 drive01

[22:54:35]

sphery:

malocite: you likely want it to be mythtv:mythtv or malocite:mythtv or something

[22:55:10]

sphery:

though 755 would make it work for others, too :)

[22:55:39]

malocite:

i only have two users malocite and root

[22:55:54]

sphery:

ah, then no need for mythtv user to have access :)

[22:56:03]

malocite:

ok... damn, so thats not it

[22:56:52]

sphery:

check all your mythvideo directories, too (and/or check your $HOME/.mythtv directory(ies) too)

[22:57:04]

sphery:

note that it's the $HOME of the user running mythbackend

[22:57:15]

malocite:

HOME=/home/malocite

[22:57:35]

sphery:

for mythbackend process, too?

[22:57:46]

malocite:

how do I check that? I think it is the same user

[22:57:53]

nikosapi:

sphery: next time mythfilldatabase runs, will it change all my channel settings back? Also, will it re-add all the channels I deleted?

[22:57:57]

sphery:

you'll have to read the init scripts

[22:58:12]

sphery:

to know for sure what the HOME environment variable expands to

[22:58:22]

sphery:

but you can see which user with: ps -efw | grep mythback

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sphery:

nikosapi: what listings provider?

[22:58:44]

sphery:

nikosapi: and analog or digital TV?

[22:59:10]

sphery:

it definitely won't change channel numbers or callsigns of the channels you have, regardless

[22:59:15]

nikosapi:

sphery: SD, and both analog and digital (using a STB)

[22:59:15]

malocite:

mythtv 2531 1 0 21:45 ? 00:00:00 /bin/su -c /usr/bin/mythbackend

[22:59:22]

malocite:

that looks like its trying to use a user called mythtv

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sphery:

nikosapi: it will add the channels you deleted

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nikosapi:

awww

[22:59:41]

sphery:

nikosapi: the right solution is to delete them from your lineup at Schedules Direct

[22:59:53]

sphery:

malocite: exactly, mythtv user :)

[22:59:54]

nikosapi:

sphery: I did, I think ...

[23:00:08]

sphery:

nikosapi: if they're gone from Schedules Direct and gone from MythTV, you'll be fine

[23:00:11]

nikosapi:

I'll check again, thanks for all your help sphery

[23:00:25]

sphery:

but for any analog channels on your SD lineup, it will definitely add them next time you run mythfilldatabase

[23:00:36]

sphery:

unless you tell mythfilldatabase to run with the --remove-new-channels argument

[23:00:40]

malocite:

so I need to make sure the mythtv group can have access to those directories 755

[23:00:57]

sphery:

malocite: yeah, you should probably use mythtv:mythtv and 775

[23:01:03]

sphery:

and put malocite into the mythtv group

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malocite:

what do you make of this error Error loading image from file: myth://Screenshots@127.0.0.1:6543/30 Rock Season 3x9_screenshot.jpg – QImage->width()=0

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malocite:

permissions error or something else, I've just moved everythig to a group that mythtv can see....

[23:08:10]

malocite:

its seems happier now

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bcgrown:

sphery: i reset the password for the mythtv user and it seems to be working properly now. any idea why that would have been changed/corrupted?

[23:09:47]

bcgrown:

bcgrown: Could it be caused by an non-clean shutdown? and on that note will "sudo reboot now" allow services to stop properly?

[23:10:04]

bcgrown:

sphery: the mysql password for "mythtv", i should note

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malocite:

hmmm.... my screenshots are downloading as 0 bytes... and then of course do not display....

[23:16:03]

malocite:

the error in the log is Error loading image from file: myth://Screenshots@127.0.0.1:6543/30 Rock Season 1x2_screenshot.jpg – QImage->width()=0

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sphery:

bcgrown: not sure what might have caused it

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sphery:

bcgrown: it's possible that the mysql user table got corrupt during a not-clean shutdown

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sphery:

malocite: it means that the file itself is invalid

[23:17:33]

malocite:

the file where? On the server?

[23:17:33]

sphery:

which I see you've figured out--noticing it's 0 bytes

[23:17:37]

malocite:

yeah

[23:17:46]

malocite:

that I know.... I'm not sure why its having trouble downloading though

[23:17:48]

sphery:

malocite: what version of Myth?

[23:17:52]

malocite:

.22

[23:17:58]

sphery:

on Ubuntu 9.10?

[23:18:00]

malocite:

yes

[23:18:07]

sphery:

did you upgrade to latest 0.22-fixes?

[23:18:08]

malocite:

I'm running with fixes

[23:18:09]

malocite:

yes

[23:18:09]

sphery:

(you should)

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sphery:

ok

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malocite:

through the mythbuntu repositories

[23:18:28]

sphery:

then I'd guess you may be hitting an issue where the download doesn't work properly because of some web proxy or something

[23:18:32]

sphery:

but that's just guessing

[23:18:47]

malocite:

how can I trigger that script on its own so I can see its errors

[23:19:15]

sphery:

That I'll leave for someone more knowledgeable about MythVideo

[23:19:19]

sphery:

I don't know

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malocite:

:)

[23:19:30]

sphery:

there are scripts like tmdb.pl and tmdb.py and jamu and ...

[23:19:34]

malocite:

yeah

[23:19:39]

sphery:

plus I think some code in mythvideo itself

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sphery:

so I don't know how best to test things

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malocite:

I don't have a tv tuner that works, I've only ever used mythvideo

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malocite:

its my life :(

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: What script do you want to "trigger"?

[23:22:35]

malocite:

ttvdb.py

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sphery:

heh, I have 4 TV tuners and record so much TV that I don't have time to watch anything else :)

[23:22:52]

malocite:

-S I want to see the reason why screenshots download as a 0 byte file

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wagnerrp:

malocite: you just run the script manually

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean, how do you trigger it

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wagnerrp:

{PREFIX}/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/Television/ttvdb.py

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malocite:

well, I hit W on the file, or go to download metadata

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: You can run that script in a terminal session. Run it with the -h option and you will see all the various command line options.

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malocite:

when you hit W are you running the script as the user logged in or as mythtv

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: As the user the FE is running as

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bcgrown:

sphery: thanks a lot for your help, i'm off to actually USE my mythtv box :)

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malocite:

RDV_Linux: Are you familiar with why screenshots would download as a 0 byte file?

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: I have never seen a screenshot downloaded as a zero byte file. Is it all screenshots or just one specific episode?

[23:29:29]

malocite:

all

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malocite:

Error loading image from file: myth://Coverart@127.0.0.1:6543/No Cover – QImage->width()=0

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malocite:

that is the error in the log

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malocite:

its the same for coverart screeshots etc

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wagnerrp:

thats because 'No Cover' is just that

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wagnerrp:

nothing

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wagnerrp:

its the default value in the database

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malocite:

Error loading image from file: myth://Screenshots@127.0.0.1:6543/30 Rock Season 1x3_screenshot.jpg – QImage->width()=0

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malocite:

wrong error

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: Run ttvdb.py in a terminal like "./ttvdb.py -D "Series name" 1 1" then try out the screenshot URL in a browser.

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: ./ttvdb.py -D "30 Rock" 1 3 in this case

[23:33:27]

malocite:

http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/episodes/79488/308865.jpg

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malocite:

its good

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malocite:

if not a disturbing screenshot :)

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: Then I suspect the issue is with your configuration. This functionality is working well for far to many people to be a general bug.

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sphery:

wasn't there some issue with web proxies causing problems with some of the metadata scripts

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malocite:

the screenshot function worked once, downloading a single screenshot (that one actually) but I could never reproduce it....

[23:35:53]

sphery:

i.e. users need to do something to their system config to make it work right?

[23:36:05]

malocite:

sphery: It would be wierd if I could download everythig except for that... the text goes in no problem

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: You could reset the metadata for that episode and then use the 'w' and check the FE log to see if it had issue downloading the screenshot. Of course delete the screen shot first.

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: Outside of setting up your image directories I cannot see to many other configuration requirements.

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MTughan_web:

In the backend setup channel editor, is it possible to remove channels that were scanned?

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wagnerrp:

'd'

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sphery:

MTughan_web: you can also mark the channel as not visible--that way it will remain not visible when you rescan

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sphery:

i.e. if you delete it, it will reappear next time you rescan

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malocite:

RDV_Linux: odd.... this may seem an odd question, when you use Storage Groups you set the directories in the storage groups settings and not in videos settings

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malocite:

2010-02–01 22:40:40.406 Screenshot Query: Executing "'/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py' -S 79488 1 1"

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: Correct all storage groups are set in mythtvsetup

[23:42:36]

malocite:

i did that

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malocite:

Copying 'http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/episodes/79488/308865.jpg' -> 'myth://Screenshots@127.0.0.1:6543/30 Rock Season 1x1_screenshot.jpg'...

[23:43:02]

malocite:

Error loading image from file: myth://Screenshots@127.0.0.1:6543/30 Rock Season 1x2_screenshot.jpg – QImage->width()=0

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malocite:

then the error

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RDV_Linux:

malocite: This is issue is in territory I cannot help with. sorry

[23:44:06]

malocite:

garsh darnit

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malocite:

thanks

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malocite:

i'll mess with it some more tomorrow

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malocite:

off to watch fringe... and go to sleep :)

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malocite:

night all, thanks sphery and RDV, 'preciate it

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sphery:

malocite: have you tried deleting the 0-byte files

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sphery:

then re-running the grabber

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