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Saturday, February 6th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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high-rez:

i think you did a backwards diff ;)

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sphery:

high-rez: also, if you're not on current trunk, you might want to try just svn up'ing--as I think there was a fix for the timer hack that may have affected that

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sphery:

high-rez: are you trunk?

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high-rez:

Yes I am

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sphery:

it should apply without issue to trunk

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sphery:

it reverts some changesets that went in

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high-rez:

It aplied without issue, but I had to rename mythtv to mythtv.orig

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high-rez:

e.g. you diffed the versions backwards ;)

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sphery:

(you have to be r23348 or higher)

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high-rez:

Last Changed Rev: 23486

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sphery:

could have gone into mythtv and done a patch -Np1 :)

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high-rez:

Woh there, my patch-foo isn't so sophisticated.

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high-rez:

dist-cleaned, now doing configure

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sphery:

that's a quilt patch... it does -p1 patches with ".orig" for the original versions

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sphery:

though the Index should have been enough to tell it the real name...

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sphery:

cool.

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sphery:

hope it works

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high-rez:

I alwahys do just -ruN

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high-rez:

Me too

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high-rez:

I ahve plenty oftime to revert before the wife gets home

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sphery:

and hope you also see 7%/14% CPU usage--until you upgrade to Qt 4.6.x, then I hope you see 0–3% :)

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high-rez:

But she gets mad if I'm playing with stuff when she's home ;)

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high-rez:

7–14% at idle eh?

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sphery:

and if you do that testing for me, I'll be forever grateful. (Even when I'm dead--I'll be grateful dead.)

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Faithful:

gdm won't start on my mythbuntu box.... using nvidia drivers

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sphery:

high-rez: yeah, likely

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high-rez:

Well hey, i'll give it a test. Can't do 4.6 till tomorrow – but I'll check it all out tonight :)

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high-rez:

for 4.5

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sphery:

cool... The 7%/14% CPU shouldn't be an issue, though... It's just a busy loop, so if your CPU is doing anything else, you won't see it

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high-rez:

And since I know you're greatful, I'll be the first to bug you about some problems I've seen with the scanner :))

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mag0o:

sphery: just got the fe to mess up the display again. going to try the first var you mentioned

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sphery:

it's just something inert that a lot of users were whining about, so it got "fixed" (in such a way that it completely broke things for some of us)

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sphery:

mag0o: :( Hope the other works

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sphery:

mag0o: might need both, though

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mag0o:

k

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high-rez:

Mean like poll() without a more agressive sleep timer?

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mag0o:

should i just try both, or see if the first is enough?

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high-rez:

poll loop

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sphery:

mag0o: trying individually would be far more informative :)

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sphery:

but both together might make it work with one fewer test

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sphery:

high-rez: yeah, http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7618

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sphery:

basically, all we got was, "This code has been changed in 4.6.x, and the busy-wait has been removed. Thanks for your report"

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mag0o:

...just tried all 3 combos – none worked =\

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high-rez:

I can't wait to be able to walk around with a nokia n9000 frontend (on the nokia/qt front : -)

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sphery:

and we really need someone to test the QTimer code with 4.6.x (but I don't get the 7%/14% CPU usage issue, so I can't test it)

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sphery:

mag0o: :( I'm out of ideas, then

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mag0o:

gonna search and see

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sphery:

I'd have to guess it's a driver issue--are there newer drivers available?

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mag0o:

qtimer code? that the thing that was causing issues for me the other day, that you supplied the patch to revert some recent commits?

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sphery:

mag0o: ah, yeah--you were the one I gave it to

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sphery:

btw, here's the updated version: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-79 . . . r_hack.patch

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sphery:

(we had 2 other commits related to it)

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mag0o:

i'm @ 7–10% cpu, with fe and ff and console

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sphery:

frontend idling on main menu?

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mag0o:

yep

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sphery:

if you close the frontend, do you go down to 0–3%?

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sphery:

(assuming closing the frontend won't restart X for you)

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mag0o:

i have that patch applied right now, if that makes a difference

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mag0o:

cpu didnt change

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sphery:

yeah, with that patch and Qt 4.4.x or 4.5.x, many users (Ubuntu?) would see 7% or 14% CPU usage. With Qt 4.6.x, you shouldn't see much CPU usage at all when idle.

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sphery:

I think--I still need someone who can see the 7%/14% CPU to test with Qt 4.6.x

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high-rez:

i'll let you know about my 4.5.x setup as soon as its done compilinog here

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high-rez:

(gonna go havea smoke while it compiles)

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sphery:

mag0o: ah, if the CPU didn't change that means that your system was doing other stuff, so you weren't seeing the mythfrontend idle CPU usage

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sphery:

high-rez: thanks

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sphery:

and btw, high-rez, I'm pretty sure you're seeing the same issue with it that mag0o was seeing (and it fixed it for him)

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maddslacker:

I can't remember where to change the settings to do horizontal fill for all videos

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maddslacker:

anyone know off-hand?

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rob__:

does anyone know a faster server for trunk updates then the current one in the us? us.autobuilds always seems so slow for me.

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high-rez:

25202 root 20 0 358m 211m 26m S 13 10.8 0:05.93 mythfrontend

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high-rez:

Alrightt good news,its sucking down cpu at idle

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sphery:

maddslacker: there's a "Video Aspect Override" but it will tell Myth to always play all videos as if they're that aspect

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high-rez:

13–14% at the main screen

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sphery:

maddslacker: it's in Playback settings

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maddslacker:

sphery, I think that's what I need, as I have to horizintally stretch every video

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** maddslacker looks **

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high-rez:

I'll upgrade to 4.6 tomorrow ;)

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sphery:

high-rez: nice, that means you're affected... If the CPU usage with that patch applied goes back down to 0–3% at idle with 4.6, that will be great news

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maddslacker:

sphery, in mythfrontend or myth-setup?

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high-rez:

Any pitfalls I should be aware of with 4.6 ?

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sphery:

maddslacker: actually, right under that is a Zoom setting--that's probably what you want

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sphery:

high-rez: shouldn't be--it should actually fix a couple of issues that you can still see in 4.5.x

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maddslacker:

yeah, I remember unchecking it a while ago, and can't for the life of me find it now

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maddslacker:

grrr

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maddslacker:

anyway, mythfrontend..setup, or myth-setup?

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high-rez:

Mind you I've one of those bad users who doesn't have a window manager

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** high-rez hides **

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sphery:

maddslacker: it's several pages into the TV Settings|Playback section... On General Playback (2/2), IIRC

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maddslacker:

I'll look, thanks

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sphery:

which may just be page 2 :)

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sphery:

high-rez: I'll ignore that fact for now if you do my testing :)

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sphery:

high-rez: are you using ubuntu?

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maddslacker:

sphery, found it :D

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high-rez:

nah, gentoo

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maddslacker:

do I need to restart frontend?

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sphery:

high-rez: ah, cool--they probably have an ebuild for 4.6.1, right?

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sphery:

maddslacker: shouldn't need to

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high-rez:

sphery: yep

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high-rez:

Not that I actually expect the ebuild to work :)

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sphery:

nice... that will make it easy for you to test (other than the 5hr compile :)

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** maddslacker is testing **

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sphery:

unless you have to fix the ebuild :)

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maddslacker:

\o/

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high-rez:

(the quality of ebuilds lately has gone downhill)

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maddslacker:

no more setting every time

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maddslacker:

thanks sphery I was going insane looking for it!

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sphery:

high-rez: did you get a chance to test the livetv channel changing?

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sphery:

maddslacker: cool, enjoy :)

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high-rez:

playing with it now

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sphery:

cool... please let me know if you see issues with it even with that patch applied

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sphery:

(or feel free to report success, too :)

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high-rez:

i proably should have built it as a debug build

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high-rez:

to give you a stack trace

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high-rez:

not that I expect one ;)

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sphery:

if it's the same issue mag0o saw, I saw his stack trace (which is why I recommended he revert those changes)

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maddslacker:

mythtv has been working great for me for a while, I just need to upgrade my tuner and vid card and then bye-bye comcast dvr :D

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sphery:

so if it is the same, I won't need a stacktrace--just the CPU usage numbers :)

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maddslacker:

mythvideo too, to be fair

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sphery:

and it's possible that the CPU usage numbers will change with a debug build

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sphery:

so release is probably better

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high-rez:

well so far so good

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sphery:

cool

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high-rez:

trunk has been really good to me so far

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high-rez:

honestly, better then 22-fixes ;)

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sphery:

yeah, since the Qt4 port and mythui port, it's been good

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maddslacker:

my 0.22 has been super stable on slackware 13

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sphery:

and with the shorter releases, we're not backporting as much

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sphery:

wonder what our next major conversion will be

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high-rez:

yeah the shorter releases (as a user) have been much appreciated :D

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sphery:

the mythui OSD seems like it should be relatively painless (since it's being developed in a separate branch)

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sphery:

I have plans for an embedded MySQL change... :) That will likely be painful even if I do it in a separate branch. :)

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high-rez:

yeah, uhm, no comment on mysql ;)

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wagnerrp:

an understatement

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high-rez:

hey man, not that it's worth anything, but you've got my permission to push your patch to trunk. :P

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'm trying to get permission from someone else before doing that

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sphery:

(as it just reverts a different patch)

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maddslacker:

sphery, like what amarok does?

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sphery:

(assuming you mean the one I linked/you just applied)

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sphery:

maddslacker: not sure... what do they do?

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maddslacker:

embedded mysql...heh

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maddslacker:

don't know beyond that

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sphery:

ah, then, yeah

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sphery:

the idea is to make a mythdataserver or whatever that has all the data and manages it using embedded mysql

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maddslacker:

except they had to add remote full-mysql after the fact

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wagnerrp:

actually sphery, couldnt you just subclass the mysql connection class to something internal, shift all the current sql calls over to that, and then make whatever changes you want to the internal class?

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sphery:

then clients won't talk to the DB, they'll talk to mythdataserver

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maddslacker:

my biggest heartburn getting mine working initially was the mysql part

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wagnerrp:

which would handle the database, scheduling, mfd, ...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that would work for the C++ code, but bindings/MythWeb/etc. will still need access to data

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they could all do the same thing

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sphery:

so it's mainly a problem of coming up with a protocol for passing data requests and data

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sphery:

only one process will be able to actually talk to the DB

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maddslacker:

thanks again for the help, time to queue up some tv shows in mythvideo :D

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sphery:

so only mythdataserver could

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wagnerrp:

i mean ive already abstracted ALL use of mysql away from the user in the bindings

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sphery:

embedded mysql is not multi-user

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sphery:

(at least not client/server)

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wagnerrp:

i would remove mysql all together and it wouldnt affect the scripts at all

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sphery:

yeah, only problem would be your inability to access the data (because mythdataserver is accessing it)

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bobgill:

did some regular updates, before I post on my distro's forum thought i'd ask here, running mythfrontend soon as I start playback of a recording i'm getting this: http://pastebin.ca/1787764 built ffmpeg and mplayer just fine, all hd video files playback using vdpau

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sphery:

btw, wagnerrp , I still haven't seen it coming (the ending of Fringe)

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wagnerrp:

im saying nothing outside the bindings directly accesses the mysqldb libs

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sphery:

I did see Manhatan, though :)

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wagnerrp:

so i could internally translate everything for the user

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sphery:

wagnerrp: right, but I'm saying that only a single process will be able to use the embedded mysql database

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sphery:

so I'll have to make some data request/passing protocol, then you can use that

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wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

and then all the python scripts will be good to go

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sphery:

so I think we're saying the same thing

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sphery:

I just missed what you were saying

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sphery:

bobgill: were you using VDPAU before?

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bobgill:

yup, just fine

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sphery:

are you sure you have the nvidia drivers installed properly, etc?

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sphery:

can you use vdpau in, for example, mplayer?

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wagnerrp:

i mean i just have to swap out one class for another that uses this new database protocol, and the rest of the code is none the wiser

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that's great--and /very/ different from the Perl bindings :)

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bobgill:

yup, i just fired up a few .mkv's with mplayer and they play fine, output states it is using vdpau

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sphery:

bobgill: this is trunk MythTV?

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bobgill:

naw, it's stable 0.22

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sphery:

are you sure it's /still/ 0.22? :)

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sphery:

mythbackend --version

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bobgill:

http://pastebin.ca/1787769

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bobgill:

oh crap i have to rebuild it with vdpau support is that it

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sphery:

ok, not trunk

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sphery:

bobgill: on the bright side--since you have to rebuild it, anyway, switch to 0.22-fixes :)

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sphery:

is that one from the tarball?

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ (under the "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.22 stable branch, do this: " part)

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bobgill:

nope i have it from my distro package manager

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sphery:

which distro?

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sphery:

tags/release-0–22 says it's the release version

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bobgill:

arch linux

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sphery:

we've had a bunch of fixes in branches/release-0-22-fixes since then

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sphery:

I think arch has -fixes available...

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sphery:

though I admit to having very little knowledge of Arch

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bobgill:

i just noticed my desktop (fe) has 0.22–5 and backend still on 0.22–3 wonder if that's it

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bobgill:

because i just did a huge catch-up update on both boxes

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bobgill:

but backend still working

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sphery:

they should work together

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sphery:

but it's better to have the same version on both

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sphery:

on your frontend do you get the same branch?

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sphery:

with --version

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bobgill:

yes

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bobgill:

yep it's the same

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

-fixes would be much better/more stable

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bobgill:

ok i will try fixes branch.. will let this update finish and try it then

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sphery:

might want to ask ja ms when he's around (space to keep from beeping him)

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bobgill:

thanks for your help

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bobgill:

ok

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sphery:

good luck

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sphery:

if you know how to get -fixes, I guess you're good to go, though

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bobgill:

for sure i will try it.. thx again, bbl

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npm:

does anybody know how to light up the optical SPDIF output on Nvidia sound included w/ ASUS e.g. M2N68-VM & M3N78-VM. Device shows up as card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: VT1708B Digital [VT1708B Digital]" and you can output to the device, but no light comes out the optical port. Others seem to have same problem on other distros: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-983458.html "Optical S/PDIF does not light up" (and yes i'

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bonelifer:

Uhmm, not sure, but did you try to set the audio in the BIOS to HD Audio, think I remember seeing that for some ASUS board.

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J-e-f-f-A:

npm: I had the same problem on my M3N78-VM board – didn't figure it out... was trying to get Spdif working at a friend's house – but I had never done it before, so I chalked it up to 'user error'...

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J-e-f-f-A:

And IIRC, I had the bios set for HD audio... LSPCI saw it, etc...

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bonelifer:

Unmuted in ALSAmixer?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bonelifer: Yep, did that too.

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bonelifer:

Well then a bad board then.

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npm:

yes to all of above too.

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npm:

seems to be a bug actually

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npm:

upstream

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npm:

see the link

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npm:

the output seems to be configured as an input. something in windows allows it to be switched but not linux

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npm:

note that other boards, like ASUS_M4A78T-E have optical out that is on by default

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J-e-f-f-A:

npm: Reading that thread, it seems there's a switch to flip between HDMI audio and SPDIF audio – and that it works via HDMI in Linux, but apparently not SPDIF...

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npm:

thus bug, but was wondering if anybody knows if or when fixed since the a/v community might be using those boards for mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

npm – seems Win7 had the same problem until Asus/Via released an updated driver: "For anybody else with this problem be sure to use the VIA control panel, SPDIF cannot be enabled in Windows."

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J-e-f-f-A:

npm: I'm reading this thread now – seems very relevant: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46545

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J-e-f-f-A:

npm: So far I'm seeing that people have gotten spdif working from the motherboard spdif connector, but not the back panel...

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npm:

aha, i was wondering why they had an extra spdif connector header on the mobo

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bonelifer:

just need to purchase the module. luckily it comes with optical and coax connectors. at least the one I bought did.

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bonelifer:

Thinks about purchasing the COM port module as well. Not sure yet.

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npm:

i guess i need to buy one of these http://cgi.ebay.com/ASUS-SPDIF-OPTICAL-COAXIA . . . t_500wt_1182

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bonelifer:

Looks like the one I bought.

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npm:

i got a 3rd party lpt and com port brackets already

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bonelifer:

Not sure if I'll use a 3rd party IR module yet. Will need to see how reliable the iMon one is

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HypnoMadic:

Hi – I just compiled the latest trunk and now I can't see the currently highlighted menu item, on another note, my head hurts now from where my wife clobbered me...

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bonelifer:

I believe I'll need to "Dremil" the S/PDIF bracket if I do buy the com port as it's already eating up one pci slot

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J-e-f-f-A:

npm: Gee, if you do, and you get it working, let me know. I haven't ventured into HD Audio on my myth boxes yet – still using sterio audio on all my frontends...

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bonelifer:

Luckily the pci bracket is screwed to the pcb, so I won't have to worry about screwing up the board.

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npm:

bonelifer: does the optical port on asus mobos acts as a separate device "VT1708B Digital" on the card, wheras the mobo spdif is from "VT1708B Analog" that feeds the D/A converters??

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bonelifer:

not sure. I just bought the board and have been waiting on parts. So I haven't got that far with the research on that.

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npm:

on my M4A78T-E, i can drive the a separate audio stream to device 0: VT1708S Analog [VT1708S Analog] and another to device 1: VT1708S Digital [VT1708S Digital]

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bonelifer:

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bonelifer:

ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO

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npm:

ah that's the update to the M4A78T-E

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npm:

with the radeon hd3400 graphics that are a smidge slower than my hd3300

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npm:

both quite awesome boards imho

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bonelifer:

just got the ASUS 1GB GT-220 pci-e card in a few days ago

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npm:

onboard graphics are good enough for me

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bonelifer:

for VDPAU

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bonelifer:

May not need it but I want to semi-future proof this thing as I will not have this kind of money again.

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bonelifer:

that and having those extra CPU cycles means I can run some extra stuff in the background and this is a mixed BE/FE

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npm:

i figure when i run out of juice i'll get a graphics card. haven't needed one yet, it's plenty fast.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I just don't get why it's building for building or car for car... mass is mass.

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npm:

i hope they integrate vdpau on a mobo so when i build an htpc the tech will be ready

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bonelifer:

it'd be nice if there were implementations of vdpau for non-nvidia cards

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bonelifer:

especially integrated.

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[R]:

well if another card supported the features...

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sphery:

npm: I think you can get mobos with vdpau-compatible integrated gpu's

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[R]:

s/i think/

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bonelifer:

I mean I have 4GB of system ram and could up it higher.

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bonelifer:

so shared memory isn't a problem

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[R]:

any ion motherboard has an integrated gpu

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sphery:

[R]: thanks for the confirmation :)

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teknopagan:

evening, folks

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wagnerrp:

sphery: at least theyre not trying to 'destroy' some nondescript 'energy' with a 'hydrogen bomb'

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[R]:

of course the regex parser is totally gonna fail on that one

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[R]:

but you all get the point

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teknopagan:

got my new FE set up, except for lirc

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J-e-f-f-A:

npm: your M3N78-VM supports VDPAU... it's an NVidia 8300 GPU

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teknopagan:

anybody know where there's a decent lirc setup guide?

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wagnerrp:

s/8300/8200/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what? that wouldn't work? I thought hydrogens destroyed electromagnets?

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wagnerrp:

well the energy has to go somewhere, it wont just disappear

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sphery:

Well, it's not like they made conserving energy a law. It may be the Green thing to do, but it's still non-binding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_Nati . . . ence#Outcome

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teknopagan:

I'm running opensuse 11.2 as the OS for my FE, but I'm having a heck of a time finding good documentation for lirc on opensuse

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teknopagan:

I have my .lircd and /etc/lircd.conf from the old FE, but I still need to figure out how to get lircd working

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teknopagan:

anybody? I know LIRC is no fun, but it's all I've got left to work out before my FE is totally set

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teknopagan:

I installed lirc 0.85 from the opensuse repos, including: liblirc_client0, lirc, lirc-devel, lirc-kmp-default, and lirc-remotes

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bonelifer:

I think it's a lack of Gentoo use. This is actually the first time in all my searching online about mythtv, that's I've seen someone use something other than Debian(or Ubuntu) or Knoppix or Fedora or Arch.

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oobe:

teknopagan, you just need to overwrite the lircd.conf with your old one put the old lircrc in ~/.mythtv and also your old hardware.conf then restart the daemon

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teknopagan:

hardware.conf?

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teknopagan:

is that in /etc ?

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oobe:

i cant be suse specific on the paths

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oobe:

yes /etc/ or /etc/lirc

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[R]:

hardware.conf is a debian/ubuntu specfic thing

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[R]:

not lirc

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oobe:

really oh ok never mind then

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oobe:

i didnt know that

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oobe:

i copied mine from a ubuntu install to a different distro :P didnt know it wasnt necessary

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oobe:

anyway teknopagan once you got those configs in place starting lircd with a native init script should get it going

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[R]:

hardware.conf is a config file for the debian/ubuntu init script

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[R]:

nothing to do with lirc actually

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teknopagan:

No dice – rclirc start returns "Error: no device found"

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teknopagan:

meanwhile, dmesg shows "[ 9265.571073] lirc_streamzap[-1]: Streamzap, Inc. Streamzap Remote Control on usb4:5 attached" when I hook up the receiver

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oobe:

you might need to rebuild the modules for the remote

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teknopagan:

maybe I just need a reboot...I remember there being some reboot silliness last time I set this up

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teknopagan:

back in a few

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oobe:

or specify the driver with lircd --driver=somthing

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wagnerrp:

so sphery, you didnt see that ending coming?

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wagnerrp:

isnt mythcommflag only supposed to run once a day?

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wagnerrp:

looks like ive run it six times in the past 25 hours

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: doesn't it run for each recording???

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wagnerrp:

erm... mythfilldatabase

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: are you confusing it with '^^^ exactly. ;-)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: figured out the end that was unrelated to the episode story, but not the episode story end

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sphery:

but I didn't figure it out until she made it work

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sphery:

(during the episode story)

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wagnerrp:

well they had alluded to it during the virus episode

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sphery:

iamlindoro: were you formerly the CEO of Sun Microsystems? http://twitter.com/OpenJonathan/status/8620937722

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Yeah, they pretty much told us in the last 2 episodes of season 1... It was just trying to figure out when the people on the show would realize it.

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sphery:

as a matter of fact, when I was talking to a friend who wasn't sure whether to catch up on Fringe, I mentioned that season 2 should be a lot better because it will explore that fact.

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sphery:

(this was at the end of S1)

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wagnerrp:

so Jim Beckett is clueless...

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lbt:

hi – just upgraded to 0.22 and having problems with mythweb. Myth backend seems to be running fine and mythtv-status looks good. However apache keeps craching with a segfault.

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lbt:

I've run an strace and it gives: http://pastebin.com/d16b65ea4

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lbt:

so I wondered if : write(10, "\253\5\0\0\3REPLACE INTO mythweb_session"..., 1455) = 1455 might be a clue ?

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TauPan:

apache crashing with a segfault can hardly be mythweb's fault

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lbt:

mod_php ?

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lbt:

and TauPan, I didn't say it was mythweb's fault, I said I had a problem with mythweb :)

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lbt:

FWIW it was a debian bug in libphp5 – thanks for the help though :)

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BobLfoot:

trying to compile mythtv-0.22 from svn fails at ./configure step for "You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library" ; which is installed ; see http://fpaste.org/O8iN/ for (cat config.ep ; rpm -qa | grep lame) output. Help appreciated. F12_X86_64

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/printpress.png

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gbee:

BobLfoot: libmp3lame-devel

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BobLfoot:

gbee: attempting to locate in my fedora and rpmfusion repos

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gbee:

may be -dev varies from distro to distro

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BobLfoot:

gbee: think I found it ; it's in atrpms.repo which I need to enable and add

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BobLfoot:

gbee: I've been round and round this error it's squacking about lame.h which I know is /usr/include/lame/lame.h but which it can't find. Do I need a $INCLUDE variable or something?

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BobLfoot:

s/squacking/squawking/

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jolaren:

I've had loads of problems to install anything onto my server.. but now I got a live cd script of the buntu page so I'll try to run mythbuntu on the server.. and then afterwards remove all neccesary packets like a re-t**d

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BobLfoot:

gbee: nothing wrong with the lame libraries from rpmfusion I jsut needed to export INCLUDE=/usr/include/ to get ./configure to see lame.h and it ran successfully ; thanks for the help

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BobLfoot:

s/jsut/just/

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noaXess1:

hi all

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noaXess1:

can't get any progra, information for swiss channels SF1 and SF2.. i use tv_grab_ch_search

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noaXess1:

xmltvid's are C1.sfdrs.ch and C2.sfdrs.ch, are ther seom chances?

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noaXess1:

changes ^

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jolaren:

aaaah

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noaXess1:

??

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noaXess1:

same problem?

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noaXess:

back..

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HypnoMadic:

Hi – I compiled the latest trunk, but now the selected menu item is invisible. I think this has something to do with it "Failed to query buttonlist state: selectedactive"

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HypnoMadic:

This happens on a TV display as well as with putty/Xming using different painters and different themes

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wagnerrp:

you must not be following the commit logs very closely

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BobLfoot:

My first attempt at compiling mythtv from svn has crashed for an error http://fpaste.org/hvkt/ . Any ideas what ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm is it's complaining about?

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wagnerrp:

BobLfoot, http://perldoc.perl.org/ExtUtils/Installed.html ... youre missing a dependency

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BobLfoot:

thanks wagnerrp I'll check it out

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wagnerrp:

HypnoMadic: if you were following commit logs, you would know

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wagnerrp:

HypnoMadic: if you were following trac, you would know

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8034

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: I've found a perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker.x86_64 package for my distro bet that has the depencancy in it, what you think?

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wagnerrp:

BobLfoot: dont know off hand

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BobLfoot:

I'll find out and let you know, after all thats what this compilation experiment is about

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alan_:

I have a problem getting sound out to my TV. I'm using the onboard audio on my motherboard which works fine if my frontend is connected to the VGA port on my TV and the sound goes to the audio in connected to the VGA port. I added in a new video card (Nvidia G210) and I am now using HDMI. HDMI audio does not work with this card so I connected the HDMI cable to the HDMI2 port on my TV which has stereo inputs connected with it. I bought a cable that goes fr

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alan_:

om the line out on the frontend and splits to the red and white that connects to the tv. No settings that I have tried in my frontend allow audio to work. I have also not found any settings through the TV menu or manual that allow you to enable the stereo audio ports connected with HDMI2. Any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

i would suggest something... but the wiki is down currently

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alan_:

I've checked there, before it went down, and found nothing

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wagnerrp:

so i cant find the page explaining what to do

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alan_:

that pertains to my problem

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wagnerrp:

nor can i find the original reference that i got the fix from

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wagnerrp:

its on one of the nvidia troubleshooting pages

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alan_:

I've searched google and several audio forums, but maybe I'm not searching for the right thing

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wagnerrp:

effectively, you capture the settings block your TV gives you

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wagnerrp:

chop off the 'options' section

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wagnerrp:

and force feed it to the drivers

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wagnerrp:

if your TV says it supports audio, the sound card will provide audio, even if theres nothing in it

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wagnerrp:

and your tv doesnt have a way to override that stream if it is detected

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alan_:

so the TV is still expecting the sound through the HDMI cable and ignoring the stereo inputs?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

i had the same problem

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wagnerrp:

and found some blog that explained how to fix it

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alan_:

that's what I suspected, I just couldn't find how to force it

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wagnerrp:

and duplicated that information onto the wiki

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alan_:

I appreciate the confirmation, I will look again once the wiki is back up

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wagnerrp:

http://analogbit.com/node/23

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wagnerrp:

just use the linked 'edid_disable_exts' tool

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jolaren:

Did they add hauppage wintv nova-t 500 to kernel in mythbuntu? it was found on auto :)

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jolaren:

Did they add hauppage wintv nova-t 500 to kernel in mythbuntu? it was found on auto :).

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jolaren:

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wagnerrp:

must be drunk, im seeing double

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jolaren:

oh

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bonelifer:

his name is +wagnerrp and he's an online alcoholic. :)

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jolaren:

he gets high on wifi

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HypnoMadic:

wagnerrp: I'm following the SVN logs daily but didn't see it, I might have overlooked it, can you humor me please?

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wagnerrp:

HypnoMadic: the trac link i provided gives an explination

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HypnoMadic:

wagnerrp: Interesting, because I did update all the themes and installed them as well

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wagnerrp:

this one was particularly visible, because it would have rendered all the new themes for the competition non-functional

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wagnerrp:

well not non-functional, but certainly broken

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HypnoMadic:

I did see this with a fallback test in Retro, but am using the latest Blue Abstract and have the issue

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wagnerrp:

Blue Abstract is not an official theme, and would not have been updated with a mythtv update

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HypnoMadic:

wagnerrp: roger that, I'll switch to a different theme, thanks for helping me understand the issue

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wagnerrp:

its likely the author has not released a post-UI-change version of it

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: that MakeMaker package solved the issue. make -j 2 in the mythtv directory completes without error now.

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[R]:

i love how myth always puts "record on any channel" shows at a lower priority

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[R]:

it like KNOW those are my stupid shows that are "nice" to have recorded but aren't essential

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jamesd_:

[R], add another tuner.. so your shows will get recorded

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[R]:

well yeah, i'm debating it

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[R]:

but i can't justify the $35+ for a pvr 150

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[R]:

and like i said... they aren't essential

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[R]:

i'm just making a statement on how myth like reads my mind

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jolaren:

Still gettin "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'jolaren.no.ip.org' (111)"

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jolaren:

strange-o

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jolaren:

i've changed the looped ip to the right one etc

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jolaren:

hm

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jolaren:

What does this mean? Partital lock?

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jolaren:

And when trying to change channel "you should have received a channel by now.."

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[R]:

it means it didnt tune fully

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[R]:

check the backend

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jolaren:

i should re-tune channels or what?

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jolaren:

[R]; ?:/

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[R]:

what?

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jolaren:

[R]; I'm trying to get the error away

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jolaren:

But it continues to tell me I have a partial lock

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jolaren:

Dno what that means even

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[R]:

i just told you

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[R]:

[12:26:39] [R] it means it didnt tune fully

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jolaren:

yer I understand.. I'll try to fix that

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sid3windr:

yay, my .21-fixes BE crashes daily now

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wagnerrp:

any reason its not a 0.22-fixes BE?

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sender:

hello, I'd like to add a feature to mythweb: an configurable link next to the titles under listings. The link would schedule the recording of this program with a certain set of settings (highest prio for me: user jobs). Advantages are: no need to go into details screen, and coming back from the details screen having to navigate to a certain timeframe again. Not too hard to pull off I thing. Can anyone give me a hand where to start?

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: yes, I haven't had the time to upgrade and am waiting a bit longer on debian-multimedia packages ;)

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zephead:

Has anybody had success with the comcast Pace DC50X DTA boxes? I recently got a USB-UIRT and cannot get it to transmit anything to the DTA... It works (albeit marginally) with my motorola DCT2224

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alan_:

wagnerrp: I want to thank you very much. The link, and now that I found your wiki entry have worked completely. I have sound again!

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zephead:

Has anybody had success with the free comcast Pace DC50X DTA boxes?

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sphery:

sender: you should talk to kormoc about it when he's around... Also note that there's never a reason to "go into details screen, and coming back from the details screen having to navigate to a certain timeframe again"... Just middle click or Ctrl-click or Shift-click to get a new browser tab or window for the details and leave the listings page up in the current tab/window.

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sphery:

(not to say that your idea is without merit--just saying that most of us just use tabs so we don't lose our place in listings/upcoming recordings, etc.)

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daum:

is there a way to setup mythtv's backend from a remote machine? or do i need to have X installed on the backend machine?

[17:30:43]

clever:

daum: just use X11 forwarding

[17:30:52]

daum:

clever, oo good call

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sender:

sphery: thanks. Yes, I also tab vigorously, but my moms – who I built this system for – isn't keeping up with tabs at all ;) This idea would also solve the issue that one always needs to set what user jobs will run (I couldnt find a permanent setting for this). (I need 2 user jobs to up the recordings to S3 e.g.)

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sphery:

yeah, we need to add support for named recording rule "templates" into MythTV proper, too

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sphery:

the main reason MythWeb doesn't yet have anything like that is because we've been planning to put support into mythbackend/mythfrontend and MythWeb would then just use that support rather than inventing its own

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wagnerrp:

creating a rule based off a programinfo string?

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sphery:

kormoc would be able to give you a better idea whether he'd accept something like you propose in the interim

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sphery:

no, setting values for specific recording rule settings (like start early/end late/user jobs/commflagging/recgroup/recording profile/...) and saving them so you can just choose the template to apply when creating a new rule

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wagnerrp:

i mean in order for mythweb to use it, it would either have to show up in mythprotocol, or the xml server

[17:42:55]

wagnerrp:

or would it independently load the template from the database, before creating a rule on its own

[17:43:22]

sphery:

it would use proto or xml--but we still have to even create the support for it in mythfrontend/mythbackend first

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sphery:

basically, if done properly, it would do what you say--just take a programinfo and we'd create the rule and apply the "Default" template

[17:44:39]

bjd:

so, suppose i want to add a dvb-s to my box which already has dvb-t – any gotchas i should look out for?

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sphery:

or would allow specifying the template name + programinfo to allow using a different template

[17:45:04]

sphery:

bjd: mainly just note that you'll need a separate video source

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bjd:

cool, nothing major then

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sphery:

shouldn't be

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sphery:

bjd: and check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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bjd:

cool, ta

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** bjd goes to plan hardware for myth setup for the new flat **

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egghead:

is there a list of keyboard commands for the internal player? cant find one googling

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[R]:

you mean like keys.txt?

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[R]:

theres also the edit keys menu

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wagnerrp:

theres also a Keybindings page on the wiki

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egghead:

R, /usr/share/doc/mythv... keys.txt, yup no help there

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings

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egghead:

wanner, i looked there too, but no key map for internal player, ie a list of command keys, instead of trial and error to find them

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egghead:

wangner, ill take a look thanks

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egghead:

<+wagnerrp> thanks, dont know how i missed it

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daum:

i'm trying to setup myth and i'm using X forwarding to do everything on the main server. anytime i try to start up mythfrontend it is saying the backend is not running, yet the mythbackend is

[19:18:45]

sender:

Is there already a usable way to stream using flash video from MythTV? It seems that MythFlash is abandoned because "this facility is now being built into MythTV". Any pointers?

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daum:

it doesn't appear that the backend server is creating the ports

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daum:

anyone able to help me figure out why my happauge pvr 350 can't seem to output=\

[19:33:20]

WillieDynamite:

im new to mythtv..havent used was thinking about starting. i have a hauppauge 1600. was wondering what would be the best distro to start with?

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WillieDynamite:

if anyone has any suggestions?

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WillieDynamite:

mythbuntu or mythdora ?

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daum:

how can i check my card is actually recieving the tv signal? I have it outputting to my TV however the screen is just black and if i change the channel i see the MythTV channel bar....yet no picture or sound

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sphery:

WillieDynamite: either distro would be a good start... A lot of people choose Mythbuntu.

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WillieDynamite:

yeah im a little familiar with ubuntu so i was leaning towards that one any way

[19:54:56]

WillieDynamite:

just wondered if any one was better than the other

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sphery:

daum: sounds like you've set up your system incorrectly and it's recording from the S-Video input or Composite input instead of the tuner or whatever

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daum:

sphery, ah how do i check out what it is recording from?

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sphery:

WillieDynamite: if you know *buntu better, then Mythbuntu is definitely the way to go

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sphery:

daum: go into your Input Connections in mythtv-setup and ensure you've associated the video source with the proper input

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trumee:

gus, does qt need to be built with opengl support in order to compile mythtv?

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WillieDynamite:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

daum: you may also need to "clear out" all of the capture card setup with the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[19:56:36]

daum:

sphery, maybe my capture device is on the wrong one?

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trumee:

i am trying to build mythtv in scratchbox for N900.

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daum:

sphery, is there a way to tell which /dev/videoX it should be?

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sphery:

trumee: it might--I don't think we test for it, but we may have some assumptions

[19:57:09]

trumee:

the build failed with an error -lGL not found

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sphery:

trumee: if so, we'd likely accept patches to fix the build for no-GL

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trumee:

sphery: i am now compiling qt so it doesnt have GL support to begin with, hoping mythtv wont be looking for -lGL

[19:58:32]

trumee:

sphery: i did try to compile mythtv with GL disabled, but still -lGL appeared during the compilation

[20:00:01]

sphery:

trumee: you used both --disable-opengl-video and --disable-opengl-vsync ?

[20:00:09]

trumee:

sphery: yes i did

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daum:

sphery, the card type should be ivtv mpeg2 encoder card right?

[20:00:40]

sphery:

yeah, I doubt that any of the devs have tried a build on a Qt without GL support, so you're likely going to have to find the breakage and fix it :(\

[20:00:42]

daum:

(for a pvr 350)

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sphery:

daum: right

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daum:

Deafult input: Tuner 1

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daum:

/dev/video0

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sphery:

and Tuner 1 is associated with your video source

[20:01:24]

sphery:

and you've specified a valid starting channel in the video source

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high-rez:

Sounds easier just to recompile qt with opengl support ;)

[20:01:32]

daum:

start channel is 4

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sphery:

and you did /not/ specify the "Pre-tune to channel..." or whatever setting

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daum:

yep that's blank and preset tuner to channel is blank too

[20:02:19]

high-rez:

Are there 4.6 specific classes/functions you guys use?

[20:02:30]

sphery:

daum: yeah, "Preset tuner to channel" needs to be blank

[20:02:42]

BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: make install as root also errored but I solved that one – I was missing python-devel package that had files it was looking for. I may be speaking too soon but I think I am actually beginning to understand these error messages. NOW THAT'S SCARRY. :)

[20:02:53]

sphery:

high-rez: no, not yet... We're still supporting Qt 4.4 and up

[20:03:05]

trumee:

sphery: unfortunately, i dont have the error now since i am rebuilding qt. i will report back with more details once qt compilation is complete

[20:03:20]

sphery:

trumee: cool

[20:04:04]

trumee:

sphery: btw, i am building against qt-4.6.0-alpha1. hopefully myth will be happy with it.

[20:04:14]

sphery:

daum: what's the source of your video for the PVR-350?

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sphery:

trumee: should be fine (though 4.6.1 final is out, so if that's a pre-release 4.6.0, you might want to look for a stable release of 4.6.x)

[20:04:51]

high-rez:

isn't there a more recentversion than 4.6.0-alpha ?

[20:04:59]

sphery:

:)

[20:05:22]

daum:

sphery, schedules direct

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trumee:

sphery,high-rez: i am not sure whether 4.6.1 is supported on the maemo platform

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high-rez:

Hola dude

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sphery:

daum: I mean the actual video?

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high-rez:

You're runnign an n900 ?

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sphery:

daum: like is it from an external tuner or hdtv converter box?

[20:06:22]

high-rez:

Massive envyhere. :)

[20:06:56]

daum:

oh it would be a DTA but i've also trie dto hook up directly to my cable

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sphery:

comcast?

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sphery:

likely hooking directly to the cable won't work

[20:07:39]

high-rez:

trumee: Rather – i should ask – what maemo device are you using?

[20:07:49]

daum:

sphery, we still have some of the lower channels on regular QAM

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trumee:

high-rez, i want to check if myth builds on maemo before i buy the actual device :)

[20:07:52]

sphery:

is this one of those "free" dta's that has only an RF-modulated ("coax") output?

[20:07:55]

daum:

yeah

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sphery:

no s-video/composite?

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daum:

correct

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high-rez:

trumee: Cool

[20:08:08]

high-rez:

There was some older myth builds for maemo

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sphery:

daum: you won't get any of the QAM channels with a PVR-350 (as QAM is digital)

[20:08:29]

dustybin:

high-rez: are you 300ppi or 1200ppi ?

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sphery:

daum: you'll actually need a pre-tune channel if you're outputting with RF-modulated output

[20:08:41]

sphery:

daum: so you'd need to set that to 3 or 4

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high-rez:

dustybin: i'm actually organic matter ?

[20:09:00]

high-rez:

:)

[20:09:06]

trumee:

high-rez, yes i have seen some info on that. But since Qt is officially supported now, hopefully it might be simpler to build

[20:09:12]

sphery:

daum: though some have said it doesn't work (but you can always have your channel chance script set the input and change to channel 3 or 4 on the PVR-350)

[20:09:34]

sphery:

daum: and you /will/ need an external channel change script that sends a signal to the DTA to change channel

[20:09:43]

daum:

yeah

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high-rez:

trumee: Cool man. Share your results :D I get access to a lot of devices, but never an n900 :(

[20:09:49]

daum:

i understand that just trying to get some sort of input now

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sphery:

well, until it's all configured right, you won't get anything

[20:10:36]

sphery:

you have a tough-to-configure setup (thanks to your cable co's doing everything they can to prevent you from using their service your way)

[20:11:37]

daum:

sphery, if i put the tuner on channel 3 or 4(whichever one i have the DTA to) manually shouldn't that work fine?

[20:12:18]

sphery:

myth will only set things up right if you have myth set up right

[20:12:20]

daum:

sicne right now its on 3 and still no signal, no static, just a black screen

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sphery:

you can test it outside of myth that way, though

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daum:

ok how can i test that it is in fact getting the input/

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sphery:

right, myth is probably messing things up by configuring it the way you told it to rather than how it should be

[20:13:13]

wagnerrp:

BobLfoot: i have no idea what might be included in a 'python-devel' package

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high-rez:

Friggin myth

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sphery:

you'd need to use v4lctrl and something like dd or cat

[20:13:40]

sphery:

high-rez: issues with myth after the Qt upgrade?

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high-rez:

sphery: No,I meant friggin myth doing what you told it todo instead of you want it to do.

[20:13:56]

high-rez:

:)

[20:14:05]

sphery:

oh, heh

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: I'm aware of that just being neighborly and saying hi as I get my first from source mythtv setup going.

[20:14:16]

high-rez:

I'm still working on the 4.6 upgrade.

[20:14:27]

sphery:

was going to say that was a quick compile

[20:14:28]

high-rez:

Or rather my weak frontend is working on it for me :)

[20:14:55]

high-rez:

i shouldn't have tried to restart the frontend, i could be watching tv while it compiles.

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** wagnerrp thanks sphery for pointing people at him for help on the mailing list.... :P **

[20:15:30]

sphery:

heh :)

[20:15:38]

sphery:

I pointed at the page on the wiki

[20:15:41]

sphery:

the rest is all you

[20:15:57]

sphery:

it's your own fault for being helpful

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high-rez:

sphery: Can you give me the home # of the person to talk about my issue with the scanner? :))

[20:17:02]

sphery:

it's 123-555-MYTH

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wagnerrp:

no 867–5309?

[20:17:32]

wagnerrp:

s/no/not/

[20:17:53]

sphery:

No, Jenny didn't break the channel scanner, silly.

[20:18:05]

high-rez:

You guys totally need an on-rotation pager

[20:18:07]

high-rez:

:)

[20:19:11]

** wagnerrp waits for someone to set up the $2/min helpline **

[20:20:08]

BobLfoot:

or $99.95/hr

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wagnerrp:

rounded up

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** lyricnz _would_ pay for people to fix his broken-ass box every now and then :) **

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bonelifer:

Am I the only person that had no problems with the OCZ rebate process. Many reviews made them seem like theives and liars. I purchased last month on the 28th. They received my rebate info on the 3rd this month and it was approved the 4th. So for those living on the Mythtv edge, is there anything new/fun/exciting on .23 frontier?

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wagnerrp:

a couple more things converted to MythUI

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wagnerrp:

a couple new themes

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wagnerrp:

a new plugin for internet video

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bonelifer:

The themes should be more interesting for me since I only have dialup. So no internet video.

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jolaren:

I cant find my external hdd in mythbuntu

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jolaren:

I wonder what wrong

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jolaren:

dmesg gives me no error msg

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jolaren:

Where is the myth-setup file located?

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jolaren:

not in /usr/bin/myth-setup atleast

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sphery:

mythtv-setup

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jya:

Hum... trunk doesn't build anymore

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jya:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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jya:

make[2]: *** [libmythhdhomerun-0.22.so.0.22.0] Error 1

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jya:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/mythtv-0.23.0~trunk-23494/libs/libmythhdhomerun'

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sphery:

jya: perhaps related to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23468 ? Have you tried clearing the system-installed libmythhdhomerun* before rebuilding?

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jya:

always

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jya:

this is build in pbuilders

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jya:

do a full check out, then compile in a chroot

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jya:

or maybe there's a new dependency I don't know about

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jya:

actual error was:

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jya:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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jya:

hum.. it cuts out my output

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jya:

mythtv-0.23.0~trunk-23494/libs/libmythhdhomerun/hdhomerun_os_posix.c:45: undefined reference to `clock_gettime'

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sphery:

may just need a #include <time.h> in hdhomerun_os_posix.h

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jya:

the error is by ld

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jya:

so a #include shouldn't fix it, unless it's just a #define

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jolaren:

I'm having real problems trying to save my files to external hdd

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jolaren:

Doesnt rly work

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jolaren:

...../media/disk/mythtv/location

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sark666:

d

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jolaren:

d?

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sark666:

i want to add a another drive for recordings. under storage dirrectories is 'create livetv group' the correction option to add another drive path and retain the default drive as well?

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wagnerrp:

sark666: do you only want this for livetv? or do you want it for general recordings as well?

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sphery:

sark666: select the storage group to which you want to add a directory

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sphery:

sark666: then inside it, with the list of dirs, select Add New Entry

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sphery:

i.e. select the /group/ to which to add a /directory/

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sphery:

(directories are /not/ storage groups :)

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sark666:

well i want it to be treated just like /mnt/mythtv currently is. jus an additional storage for tv recordings

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wagnerrp:

then add it to the 'Default' group

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sphery:

if your translation says, "Storage Directories", it should probably be fixed

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wagnerrp:

each storage group can hold multiple directories

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i would hope we dont have a translation for canadians

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sphery:

heh, well, I assumed from the wording it was from a bad translation--didn't look at the IP :)

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sphery:

though it could be French, right?

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sark666:

lol

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sphery:

besides, wouldn't it be, "i would hope we dont have a translation for canadians, eh?"

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sark666:

well in myth it's called storage directories but once selected it's storage groups.

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wagnerrp:

nah, toronto wouldnt be french

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wagnerrp:

thats only quebec isnt it?

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jya:

That's not even French either :)

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jya:

some kind of dialect they refer to a French Canadian

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jya:

s/a/sd/

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sark666:

but anyway, i just wanted to add another path for additional recordings. i remember that was a limitation of myth way back when. can i simply add an additional path to the default or when you want to have additional recording space you use a group

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wagnerrp:

yes, that is the purpose of storage groups

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wagnerrp:

you can add any number of directories to it

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will automatically load balance between them

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sphery:

heh

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sark666:

cool

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sark666:

well for awhile (pre .21?) you couldn't simply add another directory no?

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wagnerrp:

correct, i dont remember off hand when they got added

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wagnerrp:

but its been several years

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sphery:

see, also, the "Storage Group Disk Scheduler" setting in mythtv-setup

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sark666:

ok.

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wagnerrp:

is that in 0.22? or did that get added after the split?

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sphery:

and, right, we've had Storage Groups since 0.21

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sphery:

it's in 0.22

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bonelifer:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/File_storage at the top

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sark666:

and yes it's been awhile, but I never actually needed it until now. just wanted to be sure

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sphery:

multiple file systems are a wonderful thing with Myth

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oobe:

has iso support for SG's been added to trunk yet?

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wagnerrp:

no

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oobe:

im still using shares

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oobe:

i dont have many iso's though

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