Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 7th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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hackman:

Is there some way to configure PrevChan (H) to behave like one would expect?

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wagnerrp:

what is it currently doing?

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hackman:

(actually go to the previous channel, not just back through the history to the beginning. )

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hackman:

if I'm on 1, then 2, then 3, then hit 'h', I go to 2. Fine. I hit 'h' again, I should go to 3. instead I go to 1.

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sphery:

hackman: you'd need to add new functionality for a LASTCHAN binding (or NEXTCHAN or both). We don't currently have anything like that.

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hackman:

seems odd. typically prevchan can be used to toggle between two channels.

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sphery:

hackman: it's a previous channel, not last channel

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sphery:

but Myth is not designed for LiveTV, so no one ever cared to make a last channel

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sphery:

if you really want it, we'd appreciate a patch

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hackman:

yeah, there are a few enhancements I'd like to make to liveTV, if I get a chance.

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iamlindoro:

Note that we'd want a new binding, but definitely *not* something that required any more settings or configuration options

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hackman:

ultimately I'd like to be able to switch between two channels, while keeping both tuned. So I'm really switching between tuners. That way I can rewind each one, even after just changing (back) to it.

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hackman:

basically each channel change switches tuners, leaving the previous channel tuned and recording.

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sphery:

hackman: That's called Picture-in-Picture (or Picture-by-Picture)... We have that (and you can then just flip which one is the primary). Obviously requires 2 tuners.

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sphery:

hackman: and, if you only want one displaying on screen at a time (without the -in-Picture or -by-Picture), it's called recordings--which we support better than basically any DVR in existence

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hackman:

true.

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sphery:

The best way (IM-not-so-HO) to use MythTV is to record anything you might possibly want to watch and never use LiveTV.

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hackman:

hmm. let me give PiP a try.

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sphery:

you can watch recordings in progress, and really LiveTV are just recordings, so there's no difference--other than with LiveTV, you only get to see what's currently on

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sphery:

and you use a different interface for choosing what to watch

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hackman:

nod.

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hackman:

I notice that /var/lib/mythtv/livetv/ is full of all sorts of stuff. How do I see those from the FE?

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sphery:

hackman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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sphery:

hackman: and note that one of the filters prevents showing LiveTV

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hackman:

sphery: cool. thanks.

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sphery:

and with that, I'm off to bed. 4:39am EST is approaching quickly and I want to see the Shuttle launch

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high-rez:

sphery: So yeah, 4.6 didn't help – but it did appear to break some things. E.g. i can't change cursor arround now (e.g. in a config menu its always stuck on next)

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ear9mrn:

anyone having trouble playing back xvid format encoded by nuvexport. I only get sound no images. Also having trouble playing back HD recorded sound jumps. both work fine with vlc. is there a way to use vlc as my default player for playback or live tv?

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ear9mrn:

:)

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ripperda:

when browsing my video library, I'm trying to use the "browse by" option to browse my collection by genre, year, whatever. but every time I select something, the view doesn't change (it's alphabetical) and the option then disappears from the menu

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ripperda:

is there a trick to getting it working?

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oobe:

wow i just relised you dont even need to use a wm for mythfrontend you can just put exec mythfrontend in your xinitrc intead of a wm

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wagnerrp:

not supported

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clever:

oobe: yeah, that works aslong as you dont use an external player in mythvideo, or mythgame at all

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oobe:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

there are a couple instances in which mythtv will open up a second window

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clever:

i just run ratpoison, its nice and light weight

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wagnerrp:

besides those clever just mentioned

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oobe:

well i just tested it and it worked but i didnt use it i just scrolled thru the menus

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oobe:

i use fluxbox

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clever:

ratpoison works alot like screen, it doesnt use the mouse at all

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clever:

it doesnt even decorate the windows

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oobe:

i have never tried ratpoison

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

i had to disable and enable certain things in ~/.fluxbox but i dont remember what but sounds like ratpoison would play nice from begining

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clever:

oobe: just use your xinitrc

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clever:

ratpoison & exec mythfrontend

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oobe:

yea sounds cool

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clever:

with that, you should override fluxbox

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wagnerrp:

not like it really matters, fluxbox only takes about 1MB of memory

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wagnerrp:

the few hundred extra KB that ratpoison or evilwm will get you wont make much difference

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wagnerrp:

you just shouldnt be using something like gnome/kde

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clever:

disk usage though might be better

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oobe:

disk usage?

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ripperda:

are there any guides on how to organize video collections? I have all of my videos in a single folder, but I see a linux journal article that suggests grouping them into genre-related folders

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wagnerrp:

its only going to use the disk if you hit the menus

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clever:

oobe: just uninstall fluxbox and youll probly have alot more free

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clever:

but relative to what recordings use, it wont be much

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wagnerrp:

heh... youre talking on the order of ~3MB gained by removing fluxbox

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noaXess_kubuntu:

good morning

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

it would only matter if your trying to fit the OS on a small usb stick

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wagnerrp:

considering you cant buy those things for <1GB, no it wouldnt

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noaXess_kubuntu:

how can i add a single channel will all settings? i used mythtv-setup, for adding the channel, but i don't know the channel number..

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive bearly gotten gentoo to fit on a 2gig stick

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wagnerrp:

is that including the source tree and portage tree?

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clever:

portage and distfiles, no

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wagnerrp:

as well as temp space for compiling portage apps?

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clever:

but the compilers and headers, yes

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clever:

i also made a script to tar up everything except the portage db, headers, compiler

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clever:

then my initrd unpacks that tar into a tmpfs

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wagnerrp:

the source tree is a good 350MB unpacked, and double that when compiled

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clever:

leaving me with a semi-crippled gentoo without the need for any disk

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clever:

last i checked, the portage tree is 500mb

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clever:

what source tree are you refering to?

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oobe:

clever, nah fluxbox uses hardly any disk space plus my root partitition has plenty of room even with only 20GB

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wagnerrp:

kernel

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clever:

ah yeah, i always remove that

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wagnerrp:

right now, my two gentoo systems are running 1.9GB without any effort

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clever:

i dont have enough room to even install the kernel source

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clever:

i have to throw a tmpfs on /usr/src/linux to even compile it

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clever:

its never kept around

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trumee:

guys, i am trying to compile myth in a scratchbox for maemo (N900). i specified no opengl at configure but the compilation is failing with a -lGL not found error. http://pastebin.ca/1788814

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clever:

trumee: does ./configure show that GL is disabled once its done?

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trumee:

yes.

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clever:

i'm out of ideas then

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trumee:

clever: http://pastebin.ca/1788817

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clever:

dont have firefox open atm, so i cant view the link

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ripperda:

trumee, what does "ls /usr/lib/*libGL*" show?

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ripperda:

hmm, maybe that should just be "ls /usr/lib/*GL*"

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trumee:

ripperda: /usr/lib/libGLES_CM.so /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so

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wagnerrp:

does mythtv build against GLES?

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wagnerrp:

(embedded system)

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ripperda:

ah, I wasn't familiar with GLES

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trumee:

ripperda: well actually, /usr/lib/libEGL.so /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so /usr/lib/libpvrPVR2D_DRI2WSEGL.so /usr/lib/libpvrPVR2D_FRONTWSEGL.so, /usr/lib/libGLES_CM.so /usr/lib/libpvrPVR2D_BLITWSEGL.so /usr/lib/libpvrPVR2D_FLIPWSEGL.so /usr/lib/libpvrPVR2D_X11WSEGL.so

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ripperda:

trumee, in other cases, I've seen libGL installed as libGL.so.X.Y, which is good for runtime, but not compiling. you end up needing to link libGL.so.X.Y to libGL.so to compile

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trumee:

wagnerrp: why does myth need to link againt GL when i specified no-opengl on the configure.

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ripperda:

it's possible GLES needs the same thing, but I don't know enough about it, so I don't want to lead you astray there

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clever:

but it shouldnt even be using GL in the first place

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trumee:

ripperda: but why is it required for compilation at all when configure explicitly states no to use opengl. or do i need a -no-opengl-es as well?

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ripperda:

trumee, that I don't know. I know more about opengl than mythtv

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sid3windr:

meh

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sid3windr:

bedroom frontend gave up the ghost :(

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sid3windr:

crashed yesterday, now when I turn it on nothing happens on screen

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sid3windr:

I guess that's my cue to buying one of these zotac thingies

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jya:

sphery: it's on Ubuntu 8.10 that trunk doesn't compile ; compile fine on 9.04 and 9.10

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clever:

jya: what error

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jya:

mythtv-0.23.0~trunk-23494/libs/libmythhdhomerun/hdhomerun_os_posix.c:45: undefined reference to `clock_gettime'

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jya:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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jya:

[12:15pm] jya: make[2]: *** [libmythhdhomerun-0.22.so.0.22.0] Error 1

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jya:

[12:15pm] jya: make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/mythtv-0.23.0~trunk-23494/libs/libmythhdhomerun'

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clever:

thats a standard function

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clever:

sounds like your missing some of the normal stuff you need to compile

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dagger_:

someone knows how many connections mythfrontend opens to the mysql server, i.e. the output of `netstat --inet -p` on the frontend machine ?

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dagger_:

When i run `sudo netstat --inet -p|grep mysql | grep frontend` I count 4 open connections.

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dagger_:

Reason I ask is that the mysql server suddenly prevents mythweb opening a connection, and when I try to connect manually, the server responds with "error 1129", "Host 'mediacenter' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'

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jya:

clever: I'm not.... This is the build system of my Ubuntu repo; it's been building every day the same way for 2 years...

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jya:

same source package as all the other distrib (9.04, 9.10 etc) ...

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jya:

if a dev dependency was missing, it would fail everywhere, not just 8.10

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jya:

the break is recent too , changeset 23468

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Jester05:

hey guys, I need some input. I'm considering building a new PC capable of 1080p playback. 1) I would like to know of the components anyone has used to achieve this as I seem to find conflicting information in forums. 2) Should I make this PC be a frontend and master backend?

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Jester05:

Would a gig-network stream data fast enough to support 1080p playback?

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sphery:

jya: #8039

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jya:

ah cool ...

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jya:

Jester05: a 100Mbit/s would be sufficient

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jya:

assuming it's compressed of course...

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clever:

Jester05: i can get by with ~54mbit for my 1080

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clever:

but either way, it depends heavily on the bitrate, not the resolution

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sphery:

high-rez: Thanks for the testing. I can't think of any reason that 4.6 should have problems with moving the focus. I'll try it out again on my system and let you know if I find anything.

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stuartm:

Jester05: you should be more specific, 1080p – but what codec? What bitrate? There is a vast difference between H.264 and Mpeg2, assuming a broadcast codec (although broadcast 1080 will always be 1080i) – my 6 year old laptop can do 1080i mpeg2, but couldn't even begin to manage H.264

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stuartm:

are you talking DVB, ATSC, Blu-Ray or other?

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idle-boy:

i wanna buy a DVB-S2 PCIe card, am using Linux, any suggestion?

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jolaren:

http://adress:8080/mythweb

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jolaren:

doesnt work

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jolaren:

the fudge

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vhann:

Is it possible to have 2 tuner cards recognized by v4l2-ctl ?

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vhann:

Ah ok, --device is the option

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vhann:

Sorry

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XLV:

idle-boy, skystar 2HD

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XLV:

oh sorry thats pci

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XLV:

you need pci-e

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XLV:

http://www.tbsdtv.com/

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unixSnob:

are there any palm apps that will enable a linux box to command a palm to send irda signals?

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idle-boy:

XLV, did you use it? i have a bad experiance using DVBWorld USB CA&CI BOX,, changing channels is very slow (takes about 10s to change)!

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jolaren:

i'm having trobles with mysql server, how do I reset everything that has to do with the mysql server?

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jolaren:

just remove it and reconfigure

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jolaren:

?

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XLV:

idle-boy, nope.. no personal experience

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alegro:

Hello. First time here. Can I ask some questions?

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alegro:

I've been looking through the documentation. I haven't been able to locate a diagram of the physical connections (cables/cords/devices/inputs/outputs. What I'm wondering is what coaxial output from your cable set top box (or DVD player?) do you use to run over to the tuner card (analog) in the backend pc? Aka- How can I also run the cable signal to the television set for normal viewing? A Y-splitter?

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vhann:

alegro: Depends on your configuration, but yeah

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vhann:

You could also use different outputs from your set top box (if it has many)

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alegro:

So a common Y-splitter will work?

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vhann:

alegro: A coax splitter?

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alegro:

Yes.

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vhann:

I think it should, provided is it of good enough quality

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alegro:

Is this what people normally do? If not, then what is the norm?

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vhann:

alegro: I personnally used different outputs on my set top box

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alegro:

Does it complicate the configuration/setup if you use the wrong (not-ideal) output from the set top box?

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AndyCap:

alegro: depends, and you get poorer picture

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vhann:

alegro: How could you use the wrong output?

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alegro:

I have no idea what the right or wrong one would be. I can't find any documentation on these matters.

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AndyCap:

like using RF modulator output from a set top decoder when you should use s-video

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alegro:

I honestly don't know what I'm refering to. Thats the problem. I'm thinking about what happens we I go to set everything up and there's something like 'coax aux output channel 1' and 'main coax' etc etc -and won't know what to do.

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alegro:

My capture device is a Pinnacle Studio PCTV USB2. It has an "Ant." coaxial input, a yellow RCA, S-video, and mini-jack audio. I'm guessing these are all inputs and the USB is the only output to the pc.

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alegro:

My set top box is a Verizon QIP2500–3. It has one coax output "to TV/VCR" and an S-video, among other RCA-type outputs.

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trumee:

anybody knows if it is possible to build mythtv without opengl?

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iamlindoro:

trumee, Any answer you are going to get here is not going to be better than the official answer you got by opening your ticket and having it closed as invalid

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iamlindoro:

You must have OpenGL support, and what's more, Maemo is not a supported platform at all-- so even if you could build without GL support, it would still fail elsewhere

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AndyCap:

alegro: do you need the set top box to watch the channels you want? if so you should use s-video + minijack and you need to set up a way to change channels on the set top box.

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AndyCap:

alegro: if the channels you want are in the clear you could use an antenna cable directly from the outlet into the tv card.

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alegro:

AndyCap: We're on Verizon Fios, so I guess thats in the former category right?

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AndyCap:

alegro: as far as I know yes

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alegro:

Thank you. There's one more thing I'm not sure of: If you have two capture devices can you record two different programs at once with one set top box?

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AndyCap:

alegro: probably not

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trumee:

iamlindoro: maemo has OpenGLES 2.0, not sure how different it is to opengl.

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iamlindoro:

trumee, completely different

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trumee:

iamlindoro: somebody did port myth to an older version of maemo, i wonder how that was done.

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iamlindoro:

by ripping out tons of code

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iamlindoro:

and that was an ancient version of myth, too

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alegro:

AndyCap and others: Thanks so much for the knowledge!

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trumee:

iamlindoro: doesnt mythfrontend have a choice of painter between qt and opengl. is it not possible to leave out opengl or is it required somewhere else as well?

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trumee:

iamlindoro: leave out when compiling i mean.

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iamlindoro:

trumee, no, it is not possible to leave it out

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iamlindoro:

just as you were told when your ticket was closed as invalid

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XLV:

trumee, what you want to use as front-end? some nokia 900, or whatever is that thing called?

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trumee:

iamlindoro: so the configure options --disable-opengl-video and --disable-opengl-vsync dont actually disable opengl.

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trumee:

XLV: yes

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iamlindoro:

Those options pertain to video output, not UI painting

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iamlindoro:

so yes, they do exactly what they are meant to do

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trumee:

iamlindoro: ah! i see that. but if the code is modified to always use qt for painting then opengl will not be required for UI?

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iamlindoro:

trumee, It's very frustrating to tell you the same things over and over-- even if it were possible to compile without GL support in the UI (It's not), you would still not be able to finish compiling as there will be countless other issues compiling

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XLV:

some of those android tablets that are about to be released would make some funny fe though

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XLV:

or just get an x86 tablet and be done with it

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wagnerrp:

'The experimental pulse audio playback doesnt work properly'.... NFS...

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wagnerrp:

any sane user should expect such things when using the word 'experimental' in big letters

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unixSnob:

will mythtv work with this => http://www.mercateo.com/p/767-8828(2d)IRU/USB . . . Adapter.html

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wagnerrp:

unixSnob: no

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wagnerrp:

that is an IrDA adapter, which almost invariably do not support the signals used by consumer IR

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dustybin:

unixSnob: why are you a unix snob? unix died ages ago?

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** wagnerrp is using unix currently **

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: your using a branch of unix

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wagnerrp:

s/your/you're/

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dustybin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . imple.en.svg

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wagnerrp:

yes... unix

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dustybin:

is bsd unix?

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wagnerrp:

sure looks like it

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Greek-Boy:

dustybin: yes it is

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

Linux wizbox 2.6.26-2–686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux

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dustybin:

wrong one

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dustybin:

Darwin dustybins-MacBook-Pro.local 10.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.2.0: Tue Nov 3 10:37:10 PST 2009; root:xnu-1486.2.11~1/RELEASE_I386 i386

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wagnerrp:

its a direct decendant, as opposed to linux which is a from-scratch implementation of POSIX

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

is bsd slowly being replaced with linux?

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wagnerrp:

nope, the BSDs keep a fairly stable market share

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dustybin:

ok

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: what do i need? is it possible to send consumer IR signals from a laptop that doesn't have IR?

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wagnerrp:

you want to _send_ signals?

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: yes, somehow I need to tell the cable box what channel to switch to, before recording

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wagnerrp:

so youre using a laptop with a USB capture device as a backend?

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unixSnob:

yeah

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unixSnob:

composite input

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wagnerrp:

then get a USB or serial ir blaster

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wagnerrp:

the USB-UIRT and MCEUSB both come with ports for two blasters

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wagnerrp:

or you can build your own serial port device with a couple dollars of parts from a hardware store

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unixSnob:

my laptop doesn't have serial.. so it would have to be USB

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unixSnob:

ideally, I would be able to send bluetooth signals to my Palm, and it would then send IR.. but I suspect the s/w isn't out there to support it

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wagnerrp:

the tools are all there to do so, and there are a couple cellphone based remotes

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if anyone has done one for PalmOS V

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jolaren:

Is Debian good for a backend?

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jolaren:

Or was it debian's packages that were all buggy

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jolaren:

I can't remember

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Dassu:

jolaren: debian is very stable

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Dassu:

at least 0.21 version is

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** unixSnob uses debian for a backend **

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** unixSnob chose debian for it's stability — at the cost of being quite a bit out of date on app versions **

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unixSnob:

s/it's/its/

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unixSnob:

some minor hacking was needed to get the backend going though.. eg. I had to run "mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql" to get the database functional

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wagnerrp:

(as most people do)

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unixSnob:

i also had to change the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

(a file you should never touch)

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: perhaps, but these are things that should have been done by the installer

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wagnerrp:

no they arent

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dustybin:

unixSnob: use debian as a base, and compile latest / new software if required

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wagnerrp:

if the installer does that, then theres a whole slew of other stuff they have to manage for you

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unixSnob:

debian has its own help file to get started, and it also left out these necessary steps

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure why you would say the database setup can't be automated

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unixSnob:

a script could quite easily do: mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql

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wagnerrp:

unixSnob: because that makes assumptions on what server and what database name you want to use

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unixSnob:

not so easy for the user to track down that it has to be done

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wagnerrp:

if you want automated, go for one of the pre-rolled distros

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: is the database name unchangeable after it's set?

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wagnerrp:

no, its changeable

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wagnerrp:

but what if you already have a database in place

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unixSnob:

well, I tried knoppixMyth a few years ago, and it was half-baked.. perhaps it's better now

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: an installer can discover what's in place

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unixSnob:

good install routines will not trump on settings and the like from previous versions

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wagnerrp:

there are a lot of people running mythbuntu with little to know linux experience

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wagnerrp:

s/know/no/

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: the debian installer chooses some defaults, but they're mismatched. Eg. i had to change the localhostname in mysql.txt to match that of another config file

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unixSnob:

to an experienced myth user, it may be no big deal, but to someone setting it up for the first time, it's a bitch

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wagnerrp:

the debian installer shouldnt touch mysql.txt

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: i think that's the problem, it didn't, and it should have

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unixSnob:

so I had to hack it

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wagnerrp:

no, it shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt touch mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

config.xml is the new file for that sort of information

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unixSnob:

i also had to change a security pin somewhere.. it was just another strange thing, not well documented, but broken out of the box

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wagnerrp:

and any thing not using it currently, should be modified to start doing so

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wagnerrp:

the securitypin is something only used for autodetection of the backend by frontends

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wagnerrp:

that is its only use, and if thats not working, it will have no effect on the rest of mythtv functionality

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unixSnob:

it's a good thing there's good support in this channel.. I probably would have given up on mythtv w/out it.

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unixSnob:

i gave up trying to get mythtv going twice before, couple yrs ago

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sphery:

trumee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8040#comment:1 means it's back to what I said, "yeah, I doubt that any of the devs have tried a build on a Qt without GL support, so you're likely going to have to find the breakage and fix it :(" In other words, yours is a feature request without a patch. With a patch, it will be considered.

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trumee:

sphery: thanks

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sphery:

it can be done, and if done right will be accepted, but no one has ever tried, so far

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daum:

sphery, still around?

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wagnerrp:

daum: whats your question

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daum:

i'm having trouble getting my happauge pvr 350 to get input...it's outputting find to my tv(screen goes black, i see the mythtv channel bar if i switch channels) but it just is constantly black

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wagnerrp:

so youre having trouble with it outputting to the tv

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daum:

well it outputs to the TV, i'm not sure its getting the actual cable input

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daum:

as my tv screen goes black(was before a view of a terminal) when you go to 'watch live tv', and then there isn't any tv there. and you can tell its outputting via mythtv as if you change a channel you see the mythtv bar

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daum:

wagnerrp, does that make sense?

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wagnerrp:

do you have another computer you can check the recordings with?

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wagnerrp:

open the mpeg files directly and see if there is any video

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daum:

trying now

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daum:

good call, yep its getting the signal, so it appears i have the problem of outputting it

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** sphery guesses daum has his X configured with 2 displays and the TV is the 2nd display **

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sphery:

if it's a good recording, that's almost definitely the problem (the Xv is being used on the first display)

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daum:

I don't even have X on it, i'm actaully forwarding X over ssh

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sphery:

well, that's the problem--you need Xv

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sphery:

or you have to disable Xv

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sphery:

but you don't want to

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wagnerrp:

daum: i would first suggest NOT using the 350 for output

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sphery:

so you really need to do direct rendering

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sphery:

wagnerrp: +1

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sphery:

PVR-350 TV out is a waste

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sphery:

use a real video card

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daum:

heh, well i've used it for the past 3 or so years

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daum:

my hard drive actually failed on the comptuer so i have to reset it all up

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sphery:

why X forwarding?

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sphery:

you really need direct rendering

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daum:

ok, so what should i do?

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daum:

the X forwarding was jsut so i could run the mythtv-setup

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daum:

(i thought you had told me to use that yesterday, must of been someone else)

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sphery:

X forwarding is fine for mythtv-setup

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sphery:

but not for video playback

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daum:

oh ok

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daum:

also it looks like libXV is installed(i had initially installed X but then used X forwarding to do all the setup)

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sphery:

yeah, it should be installed... you just have to use it--which means local playback only

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daum:

ok, so i'm not sure what you want me to do now? My goal is to have it output over the 350 and be a headless machine. i use to use VNC to connect to it(the mahcine before that was my main cmoputer)

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wagnerrp:

we want you to pick up a $30 nvidia graphics card to use as the output instead

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daum:

I have a ati radeon card pci express already in it, but my tv takes composite and it doesn't output into that( i know i could go buy a converter)

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wagnerrp:

that card almost certainly outputs composite

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daum:

just has a svideo, dvi, and vga on it

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wagnerrp:

either it has a 7-pin svideo port with a special dongle

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wagnerrp:

or it has a normal svideo port with a converter

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wagnerrp:

but one of those two should have shipped with the card

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daum:

hm the card is from 6 years or so ago, so it may have but no longer

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daum:

what's so bad about using the 350's out? I know everyone has told me it's "bad" however it has always worked fine for me

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wagnerrp:

it formerly worked fine

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wagnerrp:

however there are no developers actively using it

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wagnerrp:

so the code rots, and eventually becomes unusable as the rest of linux gets developed past it

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has already dropped support for the mpeg2 accelerated playback

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wagnerrp:

and modern video cards have surpassed it in output quality

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daum:

it seems that the tuner card is getting picked as my primary display card, as during bootup both the video card and tuner card, show it booting, but then as soon as the ivtv module is loaded the video card stops getting output.

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daum:

how do i tell it that my video card should be the primary?

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sphery:

daum: blacklist ivtvfb module (the ivtv frame buffer module = the PVR-350 TV out driver)

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daum:

sphery, ok i did that but then won't it not be able to use the out on the card to do playback? I know the ideal situation is to use my video card for playback but as i'd have to buy new hardware for that, i'd like to try to get the 350 to work

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wagnerrp:

daum: you shouldnt

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daum:

want to get it to work?

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wagnerrp:

your video card shipped with whatever adapter is necessary to allow it to output composite

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sphery:

the ATI should work fine for playback

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daum:

i just don't have the adapter for it

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sphery:

oh, then yeah, you'll need ivtvfb

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wagnerrp:

yes you do, unless you threw it away

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daum:

wagnerrp, i may have i'm not sure it came with the computer which is about 6–7 years old so i do not have said adapter

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toma:

hi, how do i interrupt a current recording on one of the tuners?

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bjd:

anyone with a spare few mins care to look at the M4N78 PRO and comment if they think it might be a suitable myth board?

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wagnerrp:

bjd: thats a.... 9300 board?

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bjd:

negative, 8300

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bjd:

this my first amd chip too so might be more questions coming :p

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wagnerrp:

aside from it being full size, meaning you end up with a large case in front of your computer

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wagnerrp:

it should work fine

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wagnerrp:

s/computer/tv

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bjd:

well, the M3N78-EM is smaller

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bjd:

and has one less pci slot

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bjd:

i was kinda planning to have a dvb-t card and 2 x dvb-s cards

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wagnerrp:

and one less pcie slot as well

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bjd:

i was also trying to make it as energy efficient as possible too so was pondering 1 x SSD and the rest of the drives spinning down so yeah, was kinda going down the route of a full case

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wagnerrp:

if you want 'energy efficient', buy a separate backend

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wagnerrp:

get a cheaper, less power consuming amd chipset for the board

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wagnerrp:

one of the 45W dual core athlons, use cool&quiet

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wagnerrp:

shove it in a closet

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wagnerrp:

there are also one or two full size Atom boards available

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sid3windr:

full size?

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sid3windr:

as in, with lotsa slots?

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wagnerrp:

then just build out a separate frontend with enough power for whatever decoding needs you have, and power it on/off at will

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sid3windr:

or just, non-itx

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sid3windr:

but matx

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wagnerrp:

full atx, with 6 slots

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bjd:

interesting

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bjd:

why would splitting it out save more power? not running X and so on?

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wagnerrp:

because you need power for decoding and playback

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wagnerrp:

you need much less so for a backend with only digital tuners

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bjd:

makes sense

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: very interesting

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wagnerrp:

dont bother with a SSD

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wagnerrp:

youll end up saving a couple bucks a year over a normal hard drive

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: you don't happen to have brand/model handy do you ;)

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sid3windr:

as my bedroom backend is now dead :[

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sid3windr:

hm though I need a matx in that case

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: i saw some press release for some board Galaxy was making, but cant find a link

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wagnerrp:

newegg has a pair of matx Atoms

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sid3windr:

can you put an itx board in a matx case btw?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sid3windr:

I guess its just as wide as the io panel

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, you can probably undervolt an AMD chip to be almost as low power as an atom system

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wagnerrp:

certainly if its one of the old atoms with the bloated NB

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bjd:

i guess a 45w cpu wouldn't cut it in a combo f/b end?

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bjd:

(using vdpau)

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wagnerrp:

i use a 45w CPU in a combo box

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wagnerrp:

works just fine

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bjd:

finding kinda hard to justify splitting out the f/b end :p

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wagnerrp:

its more i find it hard to justify a big box in front of the tv

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tank-man:

put everything onto your desktop :)

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wagnerrp:

although my combo box is actually in the basement, with video and usb running up through the floor to the TV

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bjd:

well, was planning having the box at teh side of the room and the tv is in the centre

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bjd:

i could probably live with that

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: well the atom could probably run somewhat cooler/less loud..

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wagnerrp:

my reasoning for splitting it was that you could still be energy efficient without having the single large box in the living room

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sid3windr:

and that zotac board thingy has a minipci slot for crystalhd if that becomes interesting

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[R]:

sid3windr: the zotac board can do vdpau

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: apparently were waiting for ffmpeg support of the crystalhd, and my desktop with an OC'd C2D, two video cards, and three hard drives is nearly silent

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sid3windr:

hmm :)

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sid3windr:

I have this supposedly silent case

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sid3windr:

but it's still noisy

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sid3windr:

and has only psu + cpu cooler

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sid3windr:

passively cooled geforce and no harddisk

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sid3windr:

I can hear it pretty well... :)

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sid3windr:

when trying to sleep :D

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wagnerrp:

cheapo heatsink

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wagnerrp:

if i jam something in the fan of my video card, all i hear is some quiet 'wooshing' from the case fans

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wagnerrp:

that and my monitor, my monitor is noisy as hell

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

my tv is quiet :)

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wagnerrp:

this is a late 90's LCD, with a tiny fast fan

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

20 reviews – $70 new, $113 used – 125 stores

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sid3windr:

always nice

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sid3windr:

:p

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bjd:

is there any such thing as a twin dvb-s card?

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sid3windr:

yes.

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bjd:

any recommendations?

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sid3windr:

no idea :>

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sid3windr:

I have one that's not supported yet

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bjd:

:)

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sid3windr:

but there is one from hauppauge that is

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bjd:

http://shop.blackgold.tv/epages/BT3159.sf/en_ . . . ucts/BGT3595

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bjd:

looks neat

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sid3windr:

not supported afaik

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sid3windr:

yup

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sid3windr:

not supported yet

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sid3windr:

same chipset as the card I have lying around

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sid3windr:

but it's being worked on

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bjd:

thought as much

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unixSnob:

does the backend have a quota? I want to make sure during a long superbowl recording, that I don't max out on hdd space and have to delete things in a panic

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wagnerrp:

you can tell it to reserve a certain amount of space on each disk

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wagnerrp:

if it calculates that space will be exceeded by the maximum bitrate of the current tuner, at the length of the recording, it will expire some older recording

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unixSnob:

in this case, it will be the only recording

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unixSnob:

so will it make an attempt, if it doesn't estimate enough space?

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unixSnob:

I'd like it to attempt.. but to cut off when it reaches a limit

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wagnerrp:

yes, it will continue to completely fill a hard drive if you let it

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Guest68589:

Hi, I have problems with getting the Program Guide working. I have set the right settings afaik in the mythtv-settings, but it still shows unknown for all channels, with intervals of 30min. how do I fix this?

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[R]:

did you add channels?

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[R]:

did you run filldatabase?

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: cool, found the board's launch thingy on ars

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sid3windr:

will see if I can get one through my hk/cn contact :>

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mag0o:

meh, i had the shuttle launch scheduled to record last night, and of course, this would be the *first* time my channel change script fails and sends an extra digit

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mag0o:

so now i have 2 hours of infomercials

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sid3windr:

;/

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stuartm:

mag0o: wasn't it postponed because of cloud?

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mag0o:

dunno

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mag0o:

i was watching infomercials ;)

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stuartm:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8501849.stm

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kormoc:

Ahh, water vapor blocking a multi-billion dollar vehicle...

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mag0o:

well, lucky me

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AndyCap:

kormoc: well, since one got blown up by a piece of styrofoam, I'd be careful with watervapor too

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stuartm:

kormoc: since the shuttle itself doesn't really need to see where it's going and isn't likely to suffer damage from cloud, the rather grissly conclusion is that they want to guarantee that should the launch fail for any reason, they want to guarantee it's on caught camera for later analysis

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stuartm:

err, that was one mangled sentence

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** stuartm blames cold stuffed head **

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stuartm:

heh, article more or less says exactly that, " the thick layer of cloud which moved in over Kennedy would have prevented launch officials from following visually the progress of the ascent"

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wagnerrp:

cant they just do a roll underneath the ISS and take a good picture for analysis?

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stuartm:

that assumes they make orbit, the concern seems to be a sub-orbital failure

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wagnerrp:

if they dont make orbit, who cares

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wagnerrp:

either they detonate like in 86, or they havent reached sufficient velocity and can just glide in without significant heating

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wagnerrp:

or are you saying if they saw something on the ground, they would issue an abort

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namg989:

Anyone have a way to fix jitter or shaking vidoe with HDHomeRun unit. Does not happen on all channels. But when it does, it happens for both tuners (cable and antenna)?

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[R]:

namg989: you sure its not your frontend not beinga bel to dispaly it?

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namg989:

I'm using HDHomeRun QuickTV app on my workstation. I haven't finished configuring my frontend box yet.

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[R]:

so doesn't sound like a myth problem

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namg989:

nope, but there are alot of hdhomerun users here. just wondering if someone has seen this before.

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wagnerrp:

namg989: either your network is horribly underspec'ed, or you have poor signal

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wagnerrp:

there is no way for the HDHR to cause 'jitter' or 'shaking', because it doesnt alter the stream

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wagnerrp:

it just passes it through to whatever receiving program you have

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jolaren:

I get this error

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jolaren:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7088/screennv.png

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jolaren:

Are those errors I should care about?

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