Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, February 12th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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CNLiberal:

i'll check it out

[00:00:46]

sphery:

CNLiberal: note, also, that your system falls under the "doesn't provide sufficient information"

[00:01:19]

sphery:

so you can't just run mythfilldatabase and expect things to match up automatically (since we don't yet do out-of-band channel info processing--such as for SCTE65)

[00:01:39]

sphery:

so your channels don't have enough info, so you have to manually add xmltvid's

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CNLiberal:

yeah i doubt it'll match up automatically

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sphery:

though once you do xmltvid's, you can run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates to have it update names/callsigns/descriptions, etc.

[00:02:42]

sphery:

then fix any stragglers manually

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CNLiberal:

yay...love manual

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CNLiberal:

lol

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CNLiberal:

do i just change the XMLTVID or do i change the callsign, channel # and channel name too?

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sphery:

either way

[00:10:30]

sphery:

I'd probably start with just the xmltvid and then try mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

[00:10:40]

sphery:

it should work

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CNLiberal:

k

[00:11:21]

sphery:

but if it doesn't, at least you'll be able to look at the listings for the channel (i.e. in the MythWeb Listings page) to identify which is which (so you can change them all at once in the MythWeb channel editor)

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CNLiberal:

this is delightful...now the freaking keyboard or remote isn't changing the channel

[00:13:13]

CNLiberal:

alt-tab isn't working either

[00:15:06]

CNLiberal:

i kill'd the FE...trying again

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CNLiberal:

i love this

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CNLiberal:

:-(

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CNLiberal:

MOTHER F!

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CNLiberal:

so i can only do one channel at a time?

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CNLiberal:

before the fe stops responding

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sphery:

then don't use the frontend channel editor

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sphery:

go into LiveTV with MythWeb's channel editor open on a laptop or something and change channels and enter the info in MythWeb

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CNLiberal:

and that's what i'm doing now

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CNLiberal:

but when i try and switch from a digital SD channel to a digital HD channel, i get "Video frame buffering failed too many times"

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sphery:

yeah, LiveTV has issues

[00:21:04]

sphery:

there is scte65scan... :)

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CNLiberal:

now i get a "Serious error detected in Video Output"

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CNLiberal:

ok sphery...i think you've convinced me

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CNLiberal:

lol

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CNLiberal:

i'm gonna hop onto my be...will u be around in a few minutes?

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CNLiberal:

back

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CNLiberal:

so i wanna compile scte w HDHR support

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mag0o:

well, i still got the error with mytharchive...same point in the script

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: that error was due to some unexpected structure in the encoding profile xml

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CNLiberal:

when scte tells me to get libhdhomerun_20090415.tgz do i need that exact one, or can i use the latest libhdhr?

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mag0o:

so, something to do with the SP profile, for example?

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CNLiberal:

ok, so when i run the make -f Makefile.hdhr, i get bunches of errors...I have a folder called libhdhomerun at the root of the scte fodler

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CNLiberal:

what am I doing wrong?

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: basically, its looking for a 'coverfile' node, and finding none

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wagnerrp:

could you pastebin a copy of the profile?

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mag0o:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1794282 from mythtv/mytharchive/ffmpeg_dvd_ntsc.xml

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: it may also be due to you not being the owner of /tmp/mytharchive

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mag0o:

now, i'm not the owner, but it is 777. i'll chown it and try again

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wagnerrp:

well its trying to chmod, which it cant do unless youre the owner

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wagnerrp:

although if you have full permissions

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wagnerrp:

i dont see what that would result in further problems

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wagnerrp:

anyway, its at least worth checking

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mag0o:

i was able to run the chmod it was doing, as my normal user

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mag0o:

outside of the script

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CNLiberal:

this is what i get when i try to compile scte65scan w HDHR support

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CNLiberal:

http://pastebin.ca/1794284

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wagnerrp:

linker errors

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to link against a different version than you have compiled for

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CNLiberal:

i see...

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wagnerrp:

the library does not match the header

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CNLiberal:

i recompiled hdhr gui tonight

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CNLiberal:

i guess i'll compile the new one

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CNLiberal:

when i do a sudo make install, i get (ignoring request to make install)

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CNLiberal:

that's on the libhdhomerun

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wagnerrp:

why not just su to root, and 'make install'

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CNLiberal:

same thing happens

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** wagnerrp doesnt get using sudo on a single-admin system **

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CNLiberal:

libhdhomerun.so still lives at /usr/local/lib

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to use sudo is if you want to delegate certain abilities to other users without giving them full admin rights

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CNLiberal:

could it be because i have installed the hdhrconfig program from apt?

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wagnerrp:

all other uses are an exercise in futility, and youre simply protecting the system from yourself

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wagnerrp:

does scte65scan include a hdhomerun header in its source?

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CNLiberal:

i took your advice and su'd to root, but the same error occurs

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CNLiberal:

hmm

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sphery:

did you try using the version of libhdhomerun the docs said to use?

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CNLiberal:

this is the contents of Makefile.hdhr

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CNLiberal:

http://pastebin.ca/1794286

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CNLiberal:

sphery: I can't find the specific version the doc told me to use

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CNLiberal:

google was no help

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wagnerrp:

sphery: chances are halfway decent a recently updated hdhomerun wouldnt work properly with 10mo old driver libraries

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wagnerrp:

i know ive run into problems updating my hdhr just one revision off that in mythtv

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sphery:

CNLiberal: did you look at http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /270972.html

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sphery:

( this link contains important information about compiling libhdhomerun and scte65scan for support of the Silicondust_HDHomeRun on Mythbuntu 9.10 )

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CNLiberal:

yep

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CNLiberal:

it's all in there

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sphery:

you did the LIBOBJS += line?

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CNLiberal:

however... the hdhomerun_os_posix.o isn't anywhere to be found because i can't compile libhdhomerun

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CNLiberal:

it's not working

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CNLiberal:

yes i did

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CNLiberal:

and the ldflags line

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sphery:

and LDFLAGS

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wagnerrp:

did you 'make' before 'make install'?

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CNLiberal:

when i attempt to compile libhdhomerun, i can make...but when i make install, it says "ignoring request to make install"

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what would cause that ignore

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen anything like that

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CNLiberal:

and teh make goes through fine

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sphery:

can't you just run it out of the dir?

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wagnerrp:

i figured that was some sort of sudo thing

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sphery:

like ./scte65scan ?

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sphery:

I don't think there's really any reason to install it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: didnt xbox support get dropped?

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CNLiberal:

http://pastebin.ca/1794294

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I think so

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wagnerrp:

meaning you just cant use it?

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wagnerrp:

or you have to use some outside framebuffer display like with the 350?

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sphery:

I think it was just the xbox specific stuff like LED's and ...

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sphery:

don't know if it would still work or not without it

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22786

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sphery:

TTBOMK, there's no XBox specific stuff in Myth, now, but if you can make an XBox work like a "normal" Linux box, it may well work on it

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sphery:

(well, as well as an 800MHz P3 can work)

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sphery:

CNLiberal: what's output of: find /dev/dvb

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wagnerrp:

s/800MHz P3/733MHz Celeron/

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CNLiberal:

no such file or directory

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sphery:

CNLiberal: also, might want to try ./scte65scan --help

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wagnerrp:

dont oversell that thing

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oops... didn't remember

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wagnerrp:

its even more anemic than you lead on

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sphery:

CNLiberal: I'm guessing HDHR does things differently and you just need to pass the appropriate args to scte65scan

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CNLiberal:

unfortunately, there's no way i can pass in the hdhr info...it needs to be compiled in

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CNLiberal:

because right now, it's wanting /dev/dvb as the input

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sphery:

./scte65scan -H FFFFFFFF -f3 -V 3058 us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 > vct.sql

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sphery:

Here is an example that worked for an hdhomerun tuner in Santa Clara CA:

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CNLiberal:

it didn't like that at all

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sphery:

but basically, at this point, I'm just reading that page for you

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CNLiberal:

just spit out the help file again

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CNLiberal:

lol...yeah i don't get it

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CNLiberal:

i'm on the hdhomerun channel

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sphery:

I've never used the program--I don't even have cable--so you're as likely to figure it out as I am

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sphery:

they'll probably be a lot more help than me

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CNLiberal:

so what do you record from?

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sphery:

or someone in here might be able to help when there are more people around

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sphery:

OTA baby!

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CNLiberal:

yeah, i have an outdoor antenna, but its garbage

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sphery:

Only way to go... No encryption, no monthly subscription, no cable company doing everything they can to make me pay more money...

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mag0o:

so, it's not the ownership of the output dir – going to change the output profile and try again

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sphery:

And most importantly, I'm actually voting against cable by refusing to use it. Now I'm just trying to convince a couple hundred million of my closest friends to support me in the fight against cable...

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sphery:

so far the best I've done is convert one friend and get another to get an antenna and drop his cable subscription to a lower tier.. :(

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sphery:

Only 199,999,998 1/2 people to go

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CNLiberal:

it's hard where i live unfortunately

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sphery:

yeah, I'm very lucky

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CNLiberal:

but i've done it at one time, when i lived somewhere else, and there was a noticable difference in picture quality

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sphery:

all the transmitters are within 3deg of each other from my house and I live on a (very flat) sandbar, so I get good signals

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CNLiberal:

well this really blows...i really dislike comcast

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CNLiberal:

they're the reason i'm in all this trouble

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sphery:

I could never get analog channels because I was in a "Class B" reception area, but since that doesn't exist with digital, they actually have to send out a good signal

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CNLiberal:

if they hadn't switched around the channels on me, i wouldn't have had to rescan my QAM

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sphery:

you'll probably have better luck finding people who can help some other time... it's just a quiet night in here

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CNLiberal:

and wouldn't have lost all my analog channels, or had issues with livetv

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sphery:

and starting to get on the late side for some of the US people

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CNLiberal:

yeah, it's late for me...i have work at 8

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CNLiberal:

i really do appreciate all your help

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CNLiberal:

i'm off to bed

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CNLiberal:

night all!

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sphery:

well, I wasn't much help, but good luck :)

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CNLiberal:

thanks

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** wagnerrp thinks mythtv needs to start posting minimum allowed hardware **

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wagnerrp:

perhaps a basic specint/linpack run for a few seconds when starting mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

if your machine fails, mythfrontend closes

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mag0o:

looks like the issue has to do with the coverfile as someone mentioned earlier

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mag0o:

changed ownership, encoding profiles and still get the error

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wagnerrp:

well the node its looking for does not exist in the xml you posted

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wagnerrp:

if that is indeed the file its reading, it will always error

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mag0o:

which is the coverfile node, right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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mag0o:

k

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mag0o:

it looks like mythburn.py would attempt to add the node to the xml in the working directory, but doesn't anymore (just casually looking over the script, my python-fu isn't much of anything)

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wagnerrp:

dont know why it would create that file, only to read it back in

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wagnerrp:

and thats a rather massive program for me to skim through it and get any understanding out of it

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mag0o:

that, or it doesn't handle spaces

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mag0o:

in the filename

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mag0o:

no biggie, i can see what i can come up with

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mag0o:

b/c if the file has a space in it, and isn't escaped, then coverart[0] of 'Show Season 1_coverart.jpg' would be 'Show' correct?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

its getElementsByTagName('coverfile')[0]

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wagnerrp:

meaning its trying to find the 'coverfile' node in the xml file, and grab the first one

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mag0o:

ah

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mag0o:

i see

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wagnerrp:

only there are none, its an empty list

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wagnerrp:

so there is no item 0 to access

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wagnerrp:

crap, my dns server shut down

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wagnerrp:

it got OOM'd

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wagnerrp:

time to start killing off services i support

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wagnerrp:

suppose

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jamesd2:

dns out of memory... its domains should be in memory and how many sites are you surfing too?

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wagnerrp:

its on an embedded system with 256MB of memory and no swap

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wagnerrp:

first time ive had that particular problem in a year and a half of use

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wagnerrp:

i dont really need half a dozen terminals on a machine with no graphics card

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j5098:

sorry if this is a stupid question, but i ran an EIT us-cable scan and it found 79 channels

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j5098:

however, they're all unnamed

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wagnerrp:

because cable broadcasters dont bother sending channel data in band

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wagnerrp:

since their cableboxes access alternate out-of-band data

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j5098:

should i still be able to 'watch tv' without this info?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but you wont get any guide data until you manually define the xmltvid

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j5098:

because i just get a 'please wait' for 5 secondsand then it goes back to the main menu

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[Peter]:

j5098: you need to configure a proper starting channel for your card in mythtv-setup... really intuitive stuff

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wagnerrp:

damn you microsoft.... apparently a bios update is enough to trigger a reactivation

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j5098:

[Peter], i set a start channel, but i still get the same results

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kormoc:

anyone else getting millions of QWaitCondition: cannot wait on recursive mutexes per second in their logs?

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[Peter]:

j5098: then I don't know, sorry

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j5098:

[Peter], no worries, thanks for trying

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hachi:

somehow my TV knows that channels are tuned to a certain number

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hachi:

but mythtv always calls them things like 128#1

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justinh:

for great justice!

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wagnerrp:

your TV? or your cable box?

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zkab:

what is the best evocamd client for mythtv-0.22

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wagnerrp:

evocamd?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a softcam

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** wagnerrp points toward the channel rules **

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zkab:

yes – very much

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justinh:

zkab: time to change the subject now before you get into trouble

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** Tanthrix likes his cams nice and hard **

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zkab:

sorry – i didn't that i broke the rules ... won't happen again

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wagnerrp:

not a problem, just dont be a repeat offender

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justinh:

time to go back to looking under rocks for help on that score :D

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zkab:

OK – my questions in the future will be white as falling snow

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zkab:

BTW – I am still struggling with the 'can't play music in Terra' – problem ... any ideas

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justinh:

zkab: at least 2 people have already told you what's wrong

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justinh:

something vital is missing from the terra theme at the revision you checked out

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justinh:

oh no wait a sec

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justinh:

terra hasn't themed mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt that just fall through to the basic?

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justinh:

so the problem is likely that the plugin's default xml file is wrong or didn't install properly

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . music-ui.xml shows that only the miniplayer has been themed in Terra

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justinh:

for everything else mythmusic should fall back to the default/music-ui.xml or default-wide/music-ui.xml file

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justinh:

technically it should rely on default-wide/music-ui.xml

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justinh:

zkab: check you used the right prefix when you configured mythplugins, and that you don't have a /usr/local/share/mythtv as well as a /usr/share/mythtv

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justinh:

having both could cause problems IMHO

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zkab:

prefix=/usr/local and have only /usr/local/share/mythtv and svn up gives revision 23541 ... so I guess I have done right

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justinh:

try deleting or renaming /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/Terra/music-ui.xml & see if that helps

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justinh:

if it doesn't then the problem is definitely the default-wide/music-ui.xml file

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justinh:

I'd be surprised if this is any kind of bug though.. you can't have been the 1st person to try mythmusic with Terra

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zkab:

renaming didn't help ... is there away to see what is wrong in my installation

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justinh:

like I keep saying the problem is likely default-wide/music-ui.xml – either that or you somehow have a newer mythmusic than you should have

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justinh:

zkab: out of curiosity what res are you running at?

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justinh:

course a lot of this questioning could have been avoided in the 1st place if you'd bothered to show us actual mythfrontend output

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zkab:

debian/sid

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justinh:

resolution not distro

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justinh:

pastebin the whole of mythfrontend output from when you start it to when it fails to load mythmusic when using Terra

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justinh:

it should say which file it's looking at & precisely which area definition it can't find

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zkab:

1680 x 1050

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zkab:

OK – i'll pastebin ... my problem is also that i am new to mythtv and don't always know what to ask ... hopefully i will get more knowledge ... meanwhile please have patience with my stupid questions

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . music-ui.xml looks okay to me. The error you mentioned yesterday would indicate a problem between lines 27 & 27

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justinh:

27& 37 even

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hachi:

wagnerrp: not a cable box, just a TV

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justinh:

bloody hell mon are they insane? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6888

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hachi:

I'm tuning QAM-256 over cable

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justinh:

hachi: the US is quite unique in giving channels silly numbers to indicate sub-channels etc

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justinh:

it could even be that your TV is getting it wrong :)

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hachi:

my tv seems to be getting it right

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justinh:

how do you know?

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hachi:

cause the cable company isn'g using funny numbers in their online guide

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hachi:

or schedules direct

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justinh:

meh

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hachi:

or tvguide.com

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justinh:

there's nothing to stop you editing the numbers yourself

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hachi:

so all these sources map to what my TV shows

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hachi:

when there are 300+ of them

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hachi:

there slightly is

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justinh:

providers often do non-standard stuff that mythtv has to have workaround tricks for

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justinh:

bah

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hachi:

inevitably 1 out of every 10 also cause mythtv to exit live tv with an error

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justinh:

I'm amazed you actually get that many clear channels over cable :)

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hachi:

I'm very surprised too

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justinh:

it'll never last :D

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hachi:

because when I did the first pass scan a year ago

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hachi:

I only got like 10

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hachi:

well, I will admit that I don't know if they're all working

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justinh:

the provider are prolly doing something daft, and your teevee is following the same hymn sheet

[06:11:11]

hachi:

cause it takes soooo long to delete a channel so that I can skip it, or edit channels, or even change channels

[06:11:31]

hachi:

so how does mythtv even assign the channels then

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justinh:

they have these things they laughingly call 'specs'

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hachi:

cause I'm playing with the dvb 'scan' tool

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hachi:

and it doesn't give off channels like mythtv either

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hachi:

instead two byte hex channel numbers

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justinh:

mythtv developers initially read these 'specs' & code accordingly.. then find to their horror that broadcasters do stuff not on paper

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hachi:

that's the best part about specs

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hachi:

if you don't like it, you can write your own

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hachi:

sorry

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hachi:

standards

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justinh:

it's a mess, that's what it is

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hachi:

:\

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zkab:

justinh,wagnerrp: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1794444

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justinh:

is that it? heh

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justinh:

zkab: in this case there's a problem in the area named "musictreelist"

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justinh:

that'd put it between lines 162 & 200 of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . music-ui.xml

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justinh:

AFAIK there are no tickets open for that

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justinh:

so check your /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/music-ui.xml looks the same as that

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justinh:

or just download http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/23541/branc . . . music-ui.xml & put it in place yourself :)

[06:19:27]

justinh:

see if that helps

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justinh:

wait a frickin minute. Why am I even helping somebody who openly asked about stealing TV earlier?

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pheld:

is there a way to suppress vdpau messages? I get about 6000 messages/minute about "non-existing SPS 32 referenced in buffering period" while watching HD.

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pheld:

it's not all channels though. DiscoveryHD and NatGeoHD are ok, while EurosportHD and BBC-HD are not

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hachi:

is there a way I can get mythtv to delete channels that a tuning error, without going back into the channel editor in mythtv-setup?

[07:14:29]

hachi:

I can edit channels with e, but I can't seem to reassign things, or whatever

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hachi:

er, delete

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gbee:

pheld: what -v options are you using? BBC HD doesn't give me the same trouble, but it may be encoded differently on whatever sat/cable you are using

[07:22:40]

pheld:

normally just -playback on the frontend redirected to a file to keep an eye on things

[07:23:18]

pheld:

using my subscription for canal-digital nordic (thor .8w/telenor)

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pheld:

now filtering debug output through grep to avoid stutter from the excessive logging

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pheld:

there are several environment variables that can be set to control things in the vdpau libs, but I haven't found a way to turn logging off, only add more detail

[07:30:14]

hachi:

ooof, I think a lot of my channels are getting ignored by mythtv due to slow tuning

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gbee:

when scanning? You can increase the timeouts

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hachi:

when changing channels in 'live TV'

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hachi:

I get "Error was encountered while displaying video."

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hachi:

if I just try to tune the channel a few times, it eventually works... I think it's timing out because mplayer takes forever to tune and fire up a chanel too

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gbee:

hmm, that shouldn't be caused by a failure to tune but a failure to find any video/audio/data

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gbee:

digital or analogue?

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hachi:

digital

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hachi:

I think the TS stream needs to sync up or something

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hachi:

mplayer always takes several seconds to spin it up

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gbee:

digital should be covered by the signal monitor, although someone recently remarked that it seemed to have been broken recently

[07:35:47]

hachi:

I don't really get to use the signal monitor... it throws that error at me and exits me back to the main menu

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gbee:

ok, file a bug

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jduggan:

hey discovery hd coming to virgin

[07:39:05]

jduggan:

theyre slowly building their HD portfolio

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jduggan:

gbee: did i mention ive now got their v+ box ;S

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gbee:

traitor!

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gbee:

;)

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jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

for the most part it works great

[07:40:46]

jduggan:

but theres alot of features that i already miss in myth

[07:40:54]

jduggan:

(i still have myth on freesat)

[07:41:04]

jduggan:

but thats only connected to my office/bedroom

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gbee:

unfortunate that the only way to get HD on cable is to also pay for their DVR, at least Sky have now recognised that the two services should be decoupled

[07:41:33]

jduggan:

yea

[07:41:36]

jduggan:

well, its a one off fee

[07:41:43]

jduggan:

so if you have HD you dont pay a monthly fee

[07:42:10]

jduggan:

you get HD when you take their XL tv package.. their XL tv package you dont need to pay the monthly fee

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gbee:

Sky are no longer charging extra for HD

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jduggan:

not even the install fee?

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jduggan:

i think i paid 75quid

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jduggan:

to upgrade the box

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gbee:

not sure, but no recurring charge whatever package you go with

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gbee:

and I think I read that they are providing non-DVR HD STBs, so you aren't tied to the DVR rental either

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gbee:

I'd be very happy to have HD with virgin without that monthly fee or upgrading to the XL package (have no interest in the extra channels)

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yang:

I am won dering, did anyone have good results with Asus U3100 DVB-T dongle under Linux/Debian ?

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hachi:

how can I increase the tuning timeout?

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hachi:

is it part of the gui setup... bleh... so hard to find a single thing

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mattish:

can anyone suggest a pci-e card with 2 switchable composite inputs with hw encoder ?

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mattish:

or without hw encoder, but it is prefered :)

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itguru:

I wish to join this myth tv revolution — I got a few questions

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itguru:

I've seen a number of DVB-S cards online, and they all seem to have two inputs, does this mean that they can decode two channels at once?

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bjd:

itguru: which cards?

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bjd:

some of the ones i've seen are like lnb in and loop out

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bjd:

you also need to be really careful as to what you buy as a lot of stuff isn't supported

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pheld:

is subtitle-handling in the frontend being worked on in trunk? Position and size is off. Texts disappear awfully quick and many sentences are never displayed.

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pheld:

itguru: most DVB-S/S2 cards only have one tuner (one LNB in connector). That means that they can only tune one multiplex/transponder at a time. Still, with the right software you can decode all channels on that particular multiplex in parallell.

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gbee:

pheld: there have been some changes relating to positioning of DVB subtitles, but there are about 8 different types of subtitles from teletext, through closed captions to DVB and they all have to be handled differently, you need to be more specific

[09:11:25]

gbee:

DVB subitles at least are working just fine in 0.21/0.22/0.23, they are displayed for as long as it's indicated that they should

[09:11:59]

gbee:

DVB subtitles shouldn't be confused with teletext/CC subtitles included in DVB broadcasts

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pheld:

gbee: position and size affects both captions and DVB subtitles. Texts disappearing quickly and/or not displayed at all only affects DVB subtitles (only HD-channels here)

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gbee:

the latter is fixed in trunk, it's caused because the original positioning calculations were based on SD resolutions, so those subtitles are displayed just off-screen ;)

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[Peter]:

gbee: DVB subtitles are horribly broken in 0.22 due to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6753

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gbee:

[Peter]: in some countries, not here

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pheld:

gbee: running trunk, and position/font looks like it is fixed from top-left as fixed for 720p native resolution

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pheld:

gbee: I'm running 1920x1280

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gbee:

[Peter]: but thanks for reminding me of that ticket

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[Peter]:

gbee: 0.22 also has a nice bug with "hires" DVB subtitles with both a top and a bottom field, they are inversed, which makes them unreadable..

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[Peter]:

gbee: I have a patch for that though :)

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gbee:

pheld: submit a ticket, but I'm wondering whether those are DVB subtitles and not something else, subtitles on 1080i channels are fine here

[09:18:26]

gbee:

pheld: include a screenshot in the ticket

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[Peter]:

gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . ubdec.c#L762 that's not very good when y_pos is an odd number for the top field

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ThisOtherGuy:

Can anyone see this?

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gbee:

[Peter]: that's one for upstream ffmpeg

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[Peter]:

gbee: I haven't checked if they still have that bug. but I'd guess that it makes sense to fix it in myth meanwhile?

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all – can anyone see this?

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boludiko:

i have a question... i see that in mythtv 0.22 the video player is "internal", so i'm trying to change the sub font size... but i cant find the option, i read about it and i find a way to change the size but doesn't work

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gbee:

[Peter]: if it's not fixed in an upstream version first we won't fix it in myth, it will only break again and again each time we resync

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AndyCap:

ThisOtherGuy: no

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks Andy

[09:27:09]

AndyCap:

ThisOtherGuy: also 5 minutes ago

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ThisOtherGuy:

sorry – I was having some trouble with Freenode identify – thanks though

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gbee:

boludiko: TV Settings > Playback OSD > ATSC Caption Settings > Text Zoom percentage

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ThisOtherGuy:

Does anyone know how I can solve "Please upgrade to libvdpau >= 0.2 if you would like vdpau support." on Ubuntu?

[09:29:58]

gbee:

threats of violence against the Ubuntu packagers

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boludiko:

gbee: it works on Live TV, but i want the sub size on my videos

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gbee:

will work in both places ...

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ThisOtherGuy:

gbee: egad!

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ThisOtherGuy:

any other options?

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gbee:

upgrade to a newer version of Ubuntu? Or grab newer nvidia packages at least

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boludiko:

ThisOtherGuy: what version of nvidia driver do you have?

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boludiko:

gbee: what do you think?

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ThisOtherGuy:

boludiko: nvidia-180-libvdpau-dev

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boludiko:

ThisOtherGuy; update to 185 or 190

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks

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ThisOtherGuy:

I upgraded to 185 and I still get the message and I don't see a package for 190 – do I have to get it from somewhere special?

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boludiko:

but are you using 185?

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ThisOtherGuy:

what do you mean?

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Zdeno:

hello can i ask you is there any chance to enable subtitles automatickly when i use mythvideo? does mythtv use mplayer?

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mchou_:

god

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mchou_:

why do people always think mythtv uses mplayer?

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boludiko:

ThisOtherGuy restart

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ThisOtherGuy:

k

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks again

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Zdeno:

so what player mythtv uses? and how i can enable subtitles what are attached in external file like srt, sub etc..

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Zdeno:

the file name of subtitles is same as movie file

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mchou_:

Zdeno: myth will automatically load srt files if they have same basename as video

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mchou_:

possibly other formats too

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mchou_:

in the same directory

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Zdeno:

possibly? i tried mkv+srt, mkv+sub and nothing happend... when i pressed T – no subtitles...

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Zdeno:

ofc same directory.. same name

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Zdeno:

everything is fine in mplayer

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Zdeno:

and version of mythtv – media-tv/mythtv-0.22_p23069

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ThisOtherGuy:

boludiko: 185 didn't seem to work, but I installed the nvidia repo following the instructions here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-nvidia-grap . . . idhardy.html and was able to install libvdpau

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mag0o:

wagnerrp: this http://pastebin.com/m45b47789 allowed me to create a dvd archive, basically i checked to see if the element != 0 before using it

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mag0o:

i didn't set any sensible defaults, just checking to see if it would work

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schaze:

Hi all, I am struggling to find out the correct way to schedule a recording with the python API for mythtv (ver 0.22). Anyone has any experience with that?

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schaze:

from what I can see in wireshark I have to add a new entry in the record table with mysql and then send a RESCHEDULE_RECORDINGS with the recordid of the new row.

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: Are you using the 0.22+fixes python bindings or trunk? I suspect this would be fairly easy with the trunk bindings as they are a significant re-write and much more comprehensive. wagnerrp is the expert on the python bindings.

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: I am using 0.22 bindings. wagnerrp just told me about the new trunk bindings in the mythtv channel yes. But thanks also for the hint.

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: I just saw your posts;)

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schaze:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

The stupid update broke the menus... I spent 2–1/2 hours re-creating them from scratch...

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J-e-f-f-A:

(oops, wrong channel!)

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** J-e-f-f-A was referring to a Joomla update, not MythTV... ;-) sorry guys... **

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sphery:

heh, so MythTV isn't the only FOSS program that people complain about? :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hehehe... ;-) I guess not. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I guess it was my own fault, starting an upgrade at 11pm – I didn't get it fixed and to bed until about 2:30am... :-(

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: as long as we're complaining about FOSS projects, am I the only one having issues with Firefox corrupting the places.sqlite file with Firefox 3.5.x (Shiretoko) and 3.6.x (Namoroka)?

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** sphery spends way too much time at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bookmarks_not_saved **

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sphery:

I should really bookmark that page when my places.sqlite isn't corrupt--since when corrupt, it doesn't get into history

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehe... I dunno... ;-) I haven't noticed that.

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sphery:

I generally notice it when my location bar searches don't show places I've just been to

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AndyCap:

sphery: does your firefox profile live on a disreputable filesystem? :P

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AndyCap:

bookmarks.html sounds like a much better idea now. :P http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bookmarks_history_a . . . ng_-_Firefox

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sphery:

it's ext3, so I don't know how that qualifies

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wagnerrp:

disreputable?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you see we might have another candidate for a perl rewrite?

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** AndyCap was thinking nfs or something. **

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sphery:

AndyCap: this time it was actually the "Places preferences" at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bookmarks_not_saved , which probably got changed when I last deleted places.sqlite and places.sqlite-journal, so it auto-imported the HTML bookmark backup

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sphery:

wagnerrp: who's that?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Do you know if the nVidia driver version v190.53 is ok to use, A while ago I had heard there were Myth issues with that driver. I am still using v190.42.

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wagnerrp:

checking, i saw it on the list a day or two ago

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sphery:

cool

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i believe ive been using that since my last system update a week or two ago

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sphery:

I'd love to see it happen

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AndyCap:

wonder if the older profiles caused as much pain as hiding a database in a consumer app does.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: something about adding routines for processing 'avi' files

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AndyCap:

since people still expect it to behave like the same old thing they always used.

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sphery:

AndyCap: I will admit that I had become a master manipulator of Firefox profiles before the sqlite DB switchover. Now I have much to learn. (I like to create a "cookie jar" with cookies to always have so I can clear out the garbage and start fresh with the stuff I want, but it's much harder to do with the sqlite DB.)

[13:06:43]

wagnerrp:

now i cant remember where i saw it

[13:07:01]

sphery:

at least the 3.6 upgrade made the location search /much/ less resource intensive

[13:07:02]

wagnerrp:

eew.... java

[13:07:19]

AndyCap:

java?

[13:07:28]

sphery:

bad cup of coffee?

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wagnerrp:

cookie.jar....

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sphery:

heh

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AndyCap:

oh. haha

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wagnerrp:

alternatively... sphery stole the cookie from the cookie jar!

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** J-e-f-f-A smiles as he thinks about a Dunkin Donuts Coffee... ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

http://bash.org?8102

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** sphery goes to look to see if someone has written a cookie jar add on for firefox **

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AndyCap:

cought with his hand in the cookie.jar

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: thanks for the info.

[13:09:05]

AndyCap:

argh, english fail.

[13:09:41]

wagnerrp:

dont blame me if something like VDPAU isnt working

[13:09:53]

wagnerrp:

i havent been using it for a while

[13:10:19]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I will keep the old driver around for a while;)

[13:10:44]

AndyCap:

which reminds me, time to go home and see if my cable company has switched the public channel to hd or if they decided to be ***** about it.

[13:12:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: there's a different name for the 'pubic' channel here... Oh, wait, you said "public" – my bad. ;-)

[13:12:30]

wagnerrp:

sphery: here we go.... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/423133

[13:12:31]

AndyCap:

O_o

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: i dont get those channels around here

[13:15:46]

sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, record.hostname? I don't have it in my 1214 DB, and don't see an upgrade that adds it. Are you sure about it?

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** J-e-f-f-A doesn't have Cable, so he hasn't had "Public Access" channels in 10+ years. (For some reason they don't carry them on Sattelite) **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: sure you didn't look at recorded or something?

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wagnerrp:

oops, seems i did

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

good--I'd hate to find that we had some issue which broke the schema :)

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sphery:

it's an easy typo to make, though

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wagnerrp:

actually, it was in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

i had some variable i thought was full of Record objects, but apparently i had overwritten it with a bunch of Recorded objects

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wagnerrp:

oof... im going to have to split up starttime/endtime

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mag0o:

wagnerrp: you see how i circumvented the issues with mytharchive?

[13:39:47]

mag0o:

or corrected

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: how are you creating the lossless edited mkv files?

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I force my STB to only output at 720p, edit with a compiled version of Avidemux output to avi and use ffmpeg to convert the avi to a mkv container, ffmpeg restores the seek table, This process is wrapped in nautilus script and works very well.

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elmojo:

cool.. good approach

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elmojo:

so you use software or vdpau decoding?

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I need a compiled version of Avidemux due to the Ubuntu package not having some audio dependencies.

[13:48:35]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I had used mplayer with and without VDPAU as my CPU is overclocked to 3.6MHz so it did not matter. Right now I am using the Internal player and VDPAU.

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mag0o:

man! 3.6MHz? *SWEET*

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mag0o:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

3.6MHz... wow!

[13:49:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: ya beat me... ;-)

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: previous to the ffmpeg sync what problem(s) were you having?

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mag0o:

lurker extraordinaire

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I actually had 3.7MHz 24Hr mprime stable but pulled back for so the system would last longer.

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J-e-f-f-A:

RDV_Linux: We think you meant GHz, no? ;-)

[13:51:25]

RDV_Linux:

The CPU is a Intel Q9145 Quad core

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RDV_Linux:

Yes, my bad;(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Otherwise you seriiously UNDERclocked your CPU. ;-) hehehe

[13:52:26]

RDV_Linux:

J-e-f-f-A: That slip just reveals how old I am;)

[13:52:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

RDV_Linux: Me noticing it reveals how old *I* am... ;-)

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: were you aware that Avidemux can output mkv? did that not work for you?

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: Previous issues with the Internal player was severe stutter on my lossless edited mkv files (VDPAU or not) and no seek forward/back at all. Almost hung every time,

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jolaren:

what port does the mythfrontend run on?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jolaren: ?

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jolaren:

hm

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jolaren:

dont know how to elaborate

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J-e-f-f-A:

jolaren: for the telnet interface?

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jolaren:

nvm

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I actually worked with the Advidemux developer Gunter to get the lossless edits to work well over a year ago. I am still using Avidemux v2.4.xx whise mkv output did not work, maybe 2.5 works now.

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: thanks, trying to keep up with what effects the sync is having and why

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RDV_Linux:

s/whise/whose/

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: didnt actually look at it, but i assume you just checked to see if the nodes existed first

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J-e-f-f-A:

jolaren: The frontend connects to the backend, so the only port the frontend would be listening on is the tenet port.

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: makes sense I was using 2.5.2 and it is supported in that version

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: np. There is something strange with the trunk internal player. A straight HDPVR mpg recording does not seem to trigger the picture adjustments (e.g brightness). I have to manually use the menu and make an adjustment forward/back for it to trigger. A bit annoying.

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: does the mkv not have this problem?

[14:01:20]

mag0o:

yes wagnerrp, just checked the length of the node, and didn't do anything for defaults if it didn't exist

[14:01:34]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I will try to compile the Avidemux 2.5 today as I have some time. I tried the Ubuntu 2.5 package a long while ago and it did not work at that time.

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: and is it VDPAU specific?

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I need to verify which works and which do not, that is why I had not mentioned it up to now.

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: I never tried muxing h264 into mkv with Avidemux

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I will do those tests with and without VDPAU and mpg vs mkv and report back the results.

[14:04:18]

fleers:

should using HDPVR and VDPAU be fairly stable now in mythtv for 1080 content?

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[14:05:22]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: FYI Avidemux 2.4.xx did output mkv format but the resulting file was useless.

[14:06:10]

fleers:

i ask b/c the majority of my recordings fail to replay … i see 'default settings' then hear some audio with a blue screen, then back to the menu with 'failed to initialize A/V sync'

[14:07:08]

RDV_Linux:

fleers: Sorry I have no input as I only record at 720p

[14:07:58]

fleers:

720p seems perfectly fine for me as well

[14:09:46]

fleers:

i'd like to troubleshoot this further, can the internal player be launched from a shell prompt to get more detailed info?

[14:10:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

jolaren: perhaps this is what you're looking for? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1102528 <-- re 2nd post, the ports that the backend server is listening on.

[14:10:21]

fleers:

or should I see if the results are the same using mplayer ...

[14:10:28]

jolaren:

thank you J-e-f-f-A

[14:11:12]

yang:

I wonder how the myth tv package is being called in debian

[14:11:46]

wagnerrp:

how?

[14:13:38]

jolaren:

yang; try "apt-cache search myth"

[14:14:02]

jolaren:

i dont have any debian system near so i dont know

[14:14:55]

yang:

jolaren: ok, I need to use debian-multimedia sources

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janneg:

RDV_Linux: do you have a script that creates avidemux project files/ command line arguments?

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** wagnerrp would point schaze at 23542 if he had bothered to stick around **

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jolaren:

yang; probarbly

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cityOfLights:

hi all

[14:18:04]

cityOfLights:

I got this issue

[14:18:47]

cityOfLights:

when I change the tv card from the input tv ->composite1 , it forgets the value and goes back to tv

[14:19:15]

cityOfLights:

I am using 0.22_p23069

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iamlindoro:

"forgets" how? It's not supposed to "remember" it

[14:22:03]

cityOfLights:

I chnaged the value in muthtv-setup

[14:22:17]

cityOfLights:

valuse should be kept in mysql – right?

[14:22:28]

iamlindoro:

Configuration or DB error

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cityOfLights:

what query will show me the value in mysql?

[14:23:43]

cityOfLights:

I dont know which table holds these values

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cityOfLights:

also when I choose play live tv in the front end , pressing C doent change inputs

[14:26:13]

cityOfLights:

I do see the tv using tvtime from the composite1

[14:27:29]

RDV_Linux:

janneg: I edit manually. A while ago I tried a patch iamlindoro made that generated an Avidemux project file from a MythTV cut list. The issues is that if the cutlist is off Avidemux does not allow manual adjustments. I found it was simply easier to edit manually,

[14:28:30]

janneg:

RDV_Linux: ok

[14:29:52]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I tested the picture adjustment issue I mentioned earlier and it happens with both my lossless mkv file an unaltered HDPVR mpg files, but ONLY with VDPAU. Things work normally without VDPAU.

[14:30:20]

elmojo:

RDV_Linux: ok, that should help

[14:30:47]

elmojo:

RDV_Linux: did it ever work previously?

[14:31:03]

elmojo:

wondering if it's a regression from the latest VDPAU changes

[14:32:20]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I will do testing if you want. I do not remember as up until a few days ago Internal play stuttered too much to use,

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: it's hard to go back far enough because of schema changes, etc

[14:33:41]

elmojo:

I think you'd probably need to go back past 23235 to know

[14:34:32]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I only have my production box and a Virtual Box test environment so am not too flexible.

[14:35:14]

elmojo:

probably just need to debug from top or tree

[14:35:48]

elmojo:

and I'd ping markk_ since he might know rather quickly what might be happening

[14:39:27]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: One difference I notice with the Internal vs mplayer is that the Internal player send significantly lower AC3 volume then mplayer with my HDPVR recordings and yes I have MythTV volume at 100%. I get a blast when I turn on music and forget to turn things down again;)

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cityOfLights:

ok, can anyone tell me what to do next? should I report the bug?

[14:40:07]

cityOfLights:

wait for someone here?

[14:40:29]

cityOfLights:

I mean the configuration in setup is constantly lost

[14:40:59]

cityOfLights:

I am patient

[14:42:54]

iamlindoro:

cityOfLights: If you are losing setup information, you have a Database problem, not a Myth one

[14:43:09]

iamlindoro:

so please do not open a myth bug, as it will be closed as invalid

[14:43:18]

cityOfLights:

but all other info is kept fine

[14:43:24]

iamlindoro:

So?

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cityOfLights:

ok

[14:43:41]

sphery:

cityOfLights: which value?

[14:43:50]

cityOfLights:

i remeber there is a dev here that gave me some mysql assistence

[14:43:54]

sphery:

chances are you're changing one that you don't need to (and shouldn't) change

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cityOfLights:

HI spherY

[14:44:11]

cityOfLights:

missed u

[14:44:13]

cityOfLights:

ok

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sphery:

cityOfLights: how many inputs do you actually have configured on your capture card?

[14:44:35]

cityOfLights:

in the only tv card I change the input from tv-> composite

[14:44:45]

cityOfLights:

this info is always lost

[14:44:50]

[14:45:05]

sphery:

you need to change the Input Connection, not change the capture card

[14:45:10]

cityOfLights:

where is this info kept – to determin if it is an issue in mysql

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cityOfLights:

or the code that sends the change

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sphery:

what value are you changing?

[14:46:11]

sphery:

if you're on the capture card page, you're changing the wrong one...

[14:46:51]

sphery:

you need to configure input connections to use the right input--/then/ you should be able to change the default input in the capture card

[14:47:06]

sphery:

you can't change the value to an invalid input (one that's not configured)

[14:48:26]

cityOfLights:

only one card in the backend

[14:48:53]

cityOfLights:

this card has three inputs according to tvtime and mythtv-setup

[14:49:05]

cityOfLights:

tv,composite1,svideo,composite3

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cityOfLights:

pls let me see this

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cityOfLights:

thanks for your kindness , as allways

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sphery:

cityOfLights: how many of those inputs are connected in mythtv-setup's Input Connections page?

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sphery:

/that's/ where the important info is

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sphery:

how many are associated with video sources?

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cityOfLights:

in Capture Card Setup I change Default Input from television -> composite1

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sphery:

right

[14:52:08]

sphery:

so exit capture card setup

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sphery:

go to Input Connections

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cityOfLights:

click finish

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sphery:

(I don't know what it's called in your translation... Sorry.)

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cityOfLights:

ok ok

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cityOfLights:

I see

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cityOfLights:

min pls, I think I got my mistake

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sphery:

it's but it should be 2 items after Capture Card setup (and one after Video Sources)

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sphery:

cool..

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cityOfLights:

let me test this pls

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cityOfLights:

:-)

[14:54:57]

cityOfLights:

yes I love using the software your write!

[14:55:03]

cityOfLights:

it is assume

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sphery:

:)

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cityOfLights:

thanks again sphery, and bye for now

[14:56:41]

sphery:

enjoy

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xris:

anyone know if there is a contrib or built in function that will disable encrypted QAM channels?

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xris:

iamlindoro: ping ^^

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devinheitmueller:

xris: do you mean in the channel scanner?

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devinheitmueller:

Because the channel scanner already has a checkbox to skip encrypted channels.

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xris:

devinheitmueller: no, I'm importing things with scte65scan

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xris:

so I need something to re-scan for encryption after I already know the frequencies

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devinheitmueller:

Ah, well in that case scte65scan would probably have to be responsible for not reporting the encrypted channels.

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xris:

comcast recently started encrypting a bunch of their QAM stuff

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devinheitmueller:

... since MythTV just imports the channels.conf with whatever it has.

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xris:

and the scte info doesn't seem to show encryption status for channels/subchannels

[15:48:47]

devinheitmueller:

xris: hmmm, I don't know if that is actually true.

[15:49:04]

devinheitmueller:

I think scte/65 actually does have a field indicating whether the channel is encrypted.

[15:49:18]

devinheitmueller:

(but perhaps the scte65scan tool doesn't look for it)

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xris:

that's likely

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xris:

will have to dig through it once mfdb is done running

[15:50:23]

devinheitmueller:

It's a shame nobody has felt the urge to merge this stuff into the MythTV channel scanner proper.

[15:50:38]

** xris is annoyed because he accidentally delete all of the QAM HD broadcast channels.. including the one showing Olympics tonight **

[15:51:52]

xris:

devinheitmueller: no time. all of us devs are either working on other things, or have newborns to take care of. :)

[15:51:58]

devinheitmueller:

yup.

[15:52:00]

devinheitmueller:

I hear you.

[15:56:20]

AndyCap:

Seems they have a new HD channel on the cable company. good.

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: are you using passthru?

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** AndyCap was worried it would be encrypted to push their evil pvr boxes **

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: Yes with both Mythtv and mplayer, just get different volumes with either. I have no idea how passthru every gets its volume changed.

[15:59:07]

wagnerrp:

xris: if comcast in your area has started encrypting those channels, chances are theyre encrypting ALL channels

[15:59:15]

elmojo:

RDV_Linux: mplayer must be re-encoding and normalizing the volume would be my guess

[15:59:38]

elmojo:

RDV_Linux: might want to ask jya about that when he's around

[15:59:42]

AndyCap:

btw, is there some button to show resolution/codec on the programme you're watching?

[15:59:59]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: You are most likely correct.

[16:00:17]

wagnerrp:

since those channels are completely independent of the HD rebroadcasts of the local channels, theres nothing saying they cant encrypt all of them

[16:00:57]

devinheitmueller:

xris: The VCT table does have an "access_controlled" field which I suspect is what the stce65scan tool would need to look at (see SCTE/65 Sec 5.6 Table 5.26.

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: Is there a way within Myth to adjust the HDPVR volume or normalize it? I cannot ever remember seeing a control like that,

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: I don't think so – not sure if the changes jya made to this release allows this – maybe we are getting closer to being able to support something like this as I'm sure a lot of people would like it

[16:08:41]

elmojo:

sorry for not being much help with some of this stuff but it's not something I've spent much time looking into yet

[16:08:56]

wagnerrp:

elmojo: that sounds like something better implemented through something like ReplayGain

[16:09:27]

wagnerrp:

let the commflagger set a gain, which would subsequently used during playback

[16:10:22]

wagnerrp:

perhaps ignoring the volume in predicted commercials

[16:10:48]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: Thanks for your interest and input. Much appreciated.

[16:14:59]

xris:

devinheitmueller: nothing in the tool's code about ignoring encrypted status stuff, though... so it would need to be added.

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devinheitmueller:

xris: yeah, that's what I assumed.

[16:15:42]

wagnerrp:

xris: they actually broadcast some channels in the clear and others with privacy mode?

[16:16:02]

devinheitmueller:

xris: in theory it should be only a couple of lines of code to add (to check the field in the VCT and skip if it's set), but the bigger issue is that it would need to be tested against various cable systems to address possible compatibility issues.

[16:16:52]

xris:

wagnerrp: yeah. broadcast stations are clear, and basic cable SD channels (not to mention the HD ones) are encrypted

[16:16:52]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I don't think this is even about privacy mode (although that would need to be investigated as well). The tool cannot even tell between ClearQAM and CableCard encrypted channels.

[16:17:23]

wagnerrp:

i thought the in-band tables only contained channels for use with the DTAs

[16:18:03]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: they are targeted at DTAs (since Cablecard capable boxes have an OOB), but it wouldn't surprise me if the stce65 tables had both.

[16:18:13]

xris:

wagnerrp: most encrypted ones are available via firewire but I prefer to use my hdhr when I can because comcast has started disabling individual shows as well

[16:18:14]

devinheitmueller:

... but that could easily vary by cable system.

[16:18:24]

xris:

wagnerrp: they got permission from the FCC to encrypt stuff for the DTAs as well

[16:18:54]

xris:

wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/397247

[16:19:04]

wagnerrp:

xris: right, what im saying is that i had believed the IB tables only contained data for the DTAs, which would now be in privacy mode, and unusable by mythtv

[16:19:12]

wagnerrp:

but this is pure assumption on my part

[16:19:13]

xris:

so probably not 5c, but scrambled some other way

[16:19:41]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I would assume that the SCTE65 tables would also need the ClearQAM channels, since the FCC waiver doesn't permit them to encrypt the must carry channels.

[16:19:43]

xris:

wagnerrp: the IB tables still contain broadcast channels which are required to be clear

[16:20:02]

devinheitmueller:

(and DTAs will still need to know where to find the must carry channels)

[16:20:08]

xris:

right

[16:20:17]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: but the DTAs dont have the power to decode the local HD broadcasts, theyre using SD simulcasts

[16:20:27]

xris:

but the scte tool doesn't seem to have a way to distinguish between them so it still loads all of the private channels into mythtv

[16:20:31]

devinheitmueller:

OTOH, I would need to see a dump to know for certain.

[16:20:44]

xris:

wagnerrp: no clue on that one. the info is there for me, though

[16:21:00]

xris:

wagnerrp: and there are non-HD versions of the must-carry channels, too

[16:21:26]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I don't dispute that. Doesn't mean the info definitely isn't there though.

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devinheitmueller:

I really should write a tool which will let me capture PSIP/STCE65 info so I provide a way for people to send me dumps.

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xris:

doesn't scte65scan do a raw dump?

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devinheitmueller:

xris: Does it? I don't know.

[16:26:30]

xris:

devinheitmueller: http://pastebin.ca/1794689

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xris:

afk, lunchtime

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gav1n:

I'd like to be able to set my MythTV rtc_alrm wakeup BIOS time using every 10mins or so.. so that whatever happens there'll be a relevant wakeup time set.. any ideas?

[16:55:08]

gav1n:

can I query to get the wakeup time_t and feed my wakeup script with cron?

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sphery:

gav1n: or maybe just set your BIOS to wake on power resume?

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gav1n:

yeah.. assuming power cut .. that's all ok. ATM I have shutdown check for user login but if I initiate a shutdown rather than a logout myth doesn't set the time, I think

[16:59:12]

gav1n:

and there maybe other situations

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hachi:

can I use the dvb-apps tools to examine if my channels have callsigns or programming sent somehow on the line?

[17:00:12]

trumee:

i upgraded to kde 4.4 today. mythfrontend doesnt go full screen now. instead the taskbar is always shown.

[17:00:41]

trumee:

the only way to go fullscreen was to set the taskbar panel to auto-hide

[17:00:51]

trumee:

anybody seen this?

[17:01:14]

sphery:

hachi: if they do, Myth would put it in (unless they're out-of-band info, such as SCTE65, in which case you need to use scte65scan)

[17:01:41]

sphery:

trumee: did you upgrade Myth, too or just KDE?

[17:02:13]

sphery:

hachi: by "Myth would put it in" I mean the mythtv-setup channel scanner would put it in

[17:02:34]

hachi:

I just need so badly for something to work correctly

[17:02:44]

hachi:

I can't get the channel numbers, I can't get the callsigns

[17:03:06]

hachi:

and 1 out of every 10 channels causes mythtv to kick me back out to the main menu without telling me what channel it's tuning

[17:03:06]

sphery:

where's the TV coming from?

[17:03:27]

hachi:

ATSC QAM-256 from a cable provider

[17:03:32]

sphery:

comcast?

[17:03:35]

hachi:

astound

[17:03:51]

hachi:

they might be running similar hardware

[17:03:56]

hachi:

same business area

[17:04:12]

sphery:

if so, perhaps http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan might help

[17:05:02]

hachi:

debian packages of it at all?

[17:05:09]

hachi:

(no harm if there aren't

[17:05:13]

sphery:

don't know

[17:05:41]

hachi:

what's a DTA or an STB?

[17:05:59]

hachi:

Set Top Box

[17:06:03]

hachi:

DTA is something else

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sphery:

DTA is a type of STB

[17:08:11]

sphery:

It's a "Digital Television Adapter" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_adapter

[17:08:27]

hachi:

ahh, kay

[17:08:28]

hachi:

thanks

[17:08:51]

devinheitmueller:

DTAs are generally low-cost settop boxes which generally only put out SD, and lack both Cablecard support and an OOB.

[17:09:43]

devinheitmueller:

They were seen as a way for cable companies to switch to digital (freeing analog bandwidth) without incurring the cost of having to issue every customer a cablecard enabled settop box.

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hachi:

ahh

[17:11:44]

hachi:

thank god they actually saw a cost savings in that

[17:12:47]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: it's not so much that it's a cost savings as it allows them to offer more HD channels and reallocate bandwidth for on demand programming and Internet access (without having to add more capacity to their infrastructure). So it does save them cost in the long run.

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devinheitmueller:

The ROI on Cablecard based boxes is longer, and there was a threat of losing customers by forcing them to pay for the more expensive boxes. The DTAs were cheap enough where they could make them available for free for the first year.

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trumee:

sphery: upgraded just kde. qt was upgraded as well. do i need to build mythtv against the new qt as well?

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sphery:

trumee: shouldn't need to... if that's the case, then it's likely changes to the window manager used by kde. You don't have Myth set to "Use window border" (run in a window), do you?

[17:18:01]

trumee:

sphery: i dont even know what this "Use window border" means :)

[17:18:11]

sphery:

if not, it's probably broken with your WM (see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7958 )

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sphery:

and, basically, that means it likely won't work until 0.23 for you

[17:18:56]

devinheitmueller:

trumee: I had a similar issue with Gnome on Ubuntu. I had to set the "desktop effects" level to none, as it was some sort of conflict with Compiz.

[17:19:26]

trumee:

devinheitmueller: i dont have compiz, but do use "desktop effects" in kde

[17:19:46]

devinheitmueller:

trumee: just as a test, try turning it off and see if it makes a difference.

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trumee:

devinheitmueller: nope, didnt make any difference

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devinheitmueller:

ok, well I don't have any other suggestions then. :-/

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trumee:

devinheitmueller: no worries. i am upgrading kde 4 on a suse sytem as well. will check what happens there (this is a gentoo box)

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Bagg0r1:

anyone know how to install em28xx-drivers properly? I have a pinnacle hdtv usb stick that i want to install..

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devinheitmueller:

Bagg0r1: specifically which stick is it?

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devinheitmueller:

Bagg0r1: (please provide the USB ID)

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Bagg0r1:

I'll find it

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Bagg0r1:

dmesg, right?

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devinheitmueller:

or run "lsusb"

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Bagg0r1:

ID: 2304:023d

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devinheitmueller:

ok, one second.

[17:31:17]

devinheitmueller:

Oh crap, yeah I know what that is.

[17:31:19]

devinheitmueller:

That's the 340e

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Bagg0r1:

really?

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Bagg0r1:

says 320e on the stick

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah the "023d" is a 340e.

[17:31:50]

** devinheitmueller double checks.... **

[17:32:56]

devinheitmueller:

Yup, the 023d is a 340e.

[17:33:09]

devinheitmueller:

Well, you don't need em28xx then.

[17:33:18]

devinheitmueller:

Since that's a dib0700/xc4000 design.

[17:33:19]

Bagg0r1:

so they printed it wrong on the stick

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devinheitmueller:

Send me a digital photo of the stick and I can confirm.

[17:33:53]

devinheitmueller:

Does it look like this: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PC . . . o_Stick_340e

[17:34:11]

Bagg0r1:

yes

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devinheitmueller:

Yup, it's a 340e then.

[17:34:24]

Bagg0r1:

cool

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devinheitmueller:

You just need to clone out this tree and install it then: http://kernellabs.com/hg/~dheitmueller/pctv-340e-2

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Bagg0r1:

geez louise.. i've been looking for the wrong drivers all the time then

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Bagg0r1:

thank you very much

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devinheitmueller:

np

[17:35:29]

devinheitmueller:

And you can track development status on that product here: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?cat=32

[17:36:50]

devinheitmueller:

... and if you have any problems with the driver, I hear that guy named "devinheitmueller" can be found lurking on #linuxtv.

[17:37:40]

devinheitmueller:

... and he accepts tips in his tipjar here: http://www.devinheitmueller.com/linux_support_fund.html

[17:37:41]

devinheitmueller:

:-)

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Bagg0r1:

i'll keep that in mind, devinheitmueller :)

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wagnerrp:

http://www.starving-programmers.net/

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wagnerrp:

:P

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yeah, the 340e was one of those projects which I got sucked into despite not having *any* personal vested interest in seeing it working (since I have no need for DVB-T). I just did the driver work because I was the only one who had access to the required info from Xceive.

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wagnerrp:

im a bit surprised i dont see ads for the starving artists stuff anymore

[17:48:18]

wagnerrp:

they used to be on all the time

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wagnerrp:

although that may just be due to me watching considerably less ads

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hachi:

anyone know how to use scte65scan? I just ran it, it found some channels and PIDs, but is stuck in the 'Collecting data (may take up to 2 minutes)' phase

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Trav:

hello can anyone help me my backend is not communicating with the front just installed it

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wagnerrp:

are they the same version?

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wagnerrp:

are they on the same machine?

[18:54:38]

wagnerrp:

have you checked the frontend logs?

[18:54:45]

wagnerrp:

and/or backend logs?

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Trav:

same machine same version I checked frontend logs don't now how to check the backend

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wagnerrp:

possibly in /var/log/mythtv/

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Trav:

k

[19:02:06]

Trav:

it says DTVMux, Error: Could not find tuning parameters for mplex 32767

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wagnerrp:

thats got nothing to do with the frontend connecting

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Trav:

i see that but the error was telling me there is a problem with the back end

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Trav:

so what does that mean?

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wagnerrp:

if means you did not set up your channels properly

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Trav:

ok do the backend setup again?

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wagnerrp:

no, figure out why your frontend isnt connecting

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wagnerrp:

so youve got something to help you debug recording issues

[19:06:55]

wagnerrp:

pastebin your frontend logs

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Trav:

I think it is it says in the log New DB scheduler connection

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wagnerrp:

thats the backend logs

[19:08:52]

Trav:

yes

[19:09:08]

wagnerrp:

and has nothing to do with the frontend connection

[19:09:14]

Trav:

it also says DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(16): Failed to initialize multiplex options

[19:09:29]

Trav:

what does that mean?

[19:09:32]

wagnerrp:

again, nothing to do with the frontend connection

[19:09:36]

wagnerrp:

pastebin your frontend logs

[19:10:20]

Trav:

where is frontend logs?

[19:10:30]

wagnerrp:

hopefully in that same folder

[19:10:39]

Trav:

I was looking on the myth tv system status

[19:11:56]

Trav:

ok

[19:12:22]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, the frontend logs are not available through the GUI. You need to drop to a console and look for /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

[19:12:50]

Trav:

I have mythfilldatabase.log

[19:13:10]

Trav:

no mythfrontend.log

[19:13:15]

Trav:

do i need to turn it on?

[19:13:17]

devinheitmueller:

:-/

[19:13:22]

devinheitmueller:

No, it should be enabled by default.

[19:13:33]

devinheitmueller:

How about you pastebin the output of "ls /var/log/mythtv"

[19:16:41]

Trav:

pastebin is the command (sorry nubie)

[19:16:41]

hachi:

anyone know what tools I can use to start tearing apart the receptions from an DVB- ATSC card?

[19:17:16]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: what do you mean by "tearing apart"?

[19:17:28]

devinheitmueller:

Trav: http://pastebin.com/

[19:18:18]

hachi:

I can't find how my TV is getting channel markers for things

[19:18:34]

hachi:

I have to assume it's there, and just being ignored because of a wrong marker or something

[19:18:34]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: what do you mean by channel markers?

[19:19:20]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: you appear to be making up terminology to describe your problem. Please explain what you are trying to do in simpler terms.

[19:19:24]

hachi:

like channel 2 is marked as channel 120#0 in mythtv when it scans

[19:19:26]

hachi:

yess

[19:19:41]

hachi:

I am making up terminology

[19:19:51]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: are you doing ATSC or ClearQAM?

[19:20:01]

hachi:

ATSC QAM-256 as far as I know

[19:20:08]

hachi:

I've never seen the term ClearQAM yet

[19:20:22]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: Are you connecting to an over-the-air antenna, or digital cable?

[19:20:27]

hachi:

digital cable

[19:20:34]

devinheitmueller:

Ok, then you're doing ClearQAM.

[19:20:50]

hachi:

how do I tell mythtv to do that instead of ATSC?

[19:21:06]

devinheitmueller:

The names of the channels typically come from the VCT info provided by the cable company. And if the channel names are not inband, MythTV makes up names.

[19:21:23]

hachi:

yeah, but my TV is labelling them right

[19:21:25]

devinheitmueller:

... and you can change the names in the channel editor under mythtv-setup.

[19:21:36]

hachi:

and I have 300+ programs to label

[19:21:47]

devinheitmueller:

I'm not going to debate the quality of the channel scanner in MythTV.

[19:22:06]

devinheitmueller:

Also, are you using the MythTV channel scanner, or did you import the data from scte65scan?

[19:22:08]

hachi:

that's why I'm trying to find tools in dvb-apps or something

[19:22:12]

bjd:

its not that great is it?

[19:22:28]

devinheitmueller:

bjd: it could definitely use some work.

[19:22:34]

hachi:

scte65scan halted

[19:22:35]

bjd:

mmm

[19:22:52]

bjd:

i had issues cos i picked up two transmitters ;/

[19:22:56]

hachi:

I tried using 'scan'

[19:23:19]

hachi:

I've also tried the mythtv channel scanner

[19:23:35]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: Well, if you used "scan" then you didn't get the benefits of the SCTE65 info, and if the cable company didn't embed the info in PSIP, then you won't be able to get the channel names.

[19:23:43]

Trav:

ok her the ls http://pastebin.com/f6281b090

[19:23:53]

devinheitmueller:

How long did you wait when you say that "scte65scan halted"?

[19:23:59]

hachi:

2 hours

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devinheitmueller:

If you really do have 300 channels, it would not surprise me to find it taking quite a while.

[19:24:14]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, 2 hours seems a bit on the high end. :-/

[19:24:15]

hachi:

at the '2 minutes' screen

[19:24:24]

hachi:

I've got it running again

[19:24:36]

hachi:

but the thing is... I need something to work with... I'm cranking up -v

[19:24:43]

hachi:

but basically, nothing tells me any information

[19:24:55]

devinheitmueller:

Trav: You don't seem to have a frontend log. Maybe because whatever user you are running the frontend as some user who doesn't have write privileges to that directory.

[19:24:56]

hachi:

are there PSIP markers being found, but they're malformed... is there 0 traffic?

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hachi:

iare there SCTE things being found... I think I need to back up one step

[19:25:12]

Trav:

k

[19:25:17]

hachi:

and see if the data is even there on the line

[19:25:43]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: yeah, you would probably need to either turn up the verbosity of scte65scan, or add some debugging info to the source.

[19:26:19]

devinheitmueller:

Nonetheless, it'

[19:26:45]

devinheitmueller:

s not surprising that the mythtv channel scanner and "scan" wouldn't be able to determine the channel names for ClearQAM, since most cable providers do not provide PSIP info.

[19:27:12]

hachi:

the thing is, I know my provider is sending something out, because the TV does the right thing

[19:27:26]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: and this is without a cable box?

[19:27:31]

hachi:

yup

[19:27:34]

hachi:

no box

[19:27:42]

devinheitmueller:

It could very well be some issue with mythtv's scanner not properly parsing the info.

[19:27:53]

devinheitmueller:

I can make no claims to how well the mythtv channel scanner works.

[19:27:55]

hachi:

but stracing scte65scan -k -p

[19:27:57]

GreyFoxx:

the box downloads the channel mapping info over a seperate means than the dvb data

[19:28:08]

hachi:

the demux0 device node isn't even outputting anything

[19:28:14]

devinheitmueller:

GreyFoxx: he said he didn't have a cable box.

[19:28:51]

GreyFoxx:

Weird, most providers only pass channel mapping info and program giuide via another communication spec and not in the standard dvb streams

[19:28:59]

devinheitmueller:

GreyFoxx: he said his *television* got the channel info, suggesting the mythtv scanner isn't picking up the CVCT.

[19:29:09]

hachi:

I honestly don't know what it implies

[19:29:10]

GreyFoxx:

my TV for example has no fracking idea what channel is what when I do a clear qam scan :)

[19:29:21]

devinheitmueller:

GreyFoxx: agreed, except his TV picked up the data, suggesting it was inband.

[19:29:38]

GreyFoxx:

Probably via guide+ or something

[19:29:44]

hachi:

bluh

[19:29:50]

hachi:

my TV does have a guide thing in it

[19:29:51]

devinheitmueller:

GreyFoxx: unlikely if it's digital.

[19:30:02]

hachi:

it crashes and makes the TV really slow

[19:30:05]

hachi:

like a bad computer

[19:30:05]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: oh, you do have a third party guide?

[19:30:09]

hachi:

it's really weird

[19:30:17]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, in that case it might be figuring out the channel names from some external source.

[19:30:18]

hachi:

it's TVGuide

[19:30:24]

hachi:

painted on the face of the TV

[19:30:38]

hachi:

well, it's still doing it via the cable line though

[19:31:05]

hachi:

if I might ask, why don't services like schedules direct show the QAM tuning info for the channels

[19:31:19]

hachi:

instead of this virtual number that seems to be untracked in any form

[19:31:34]

devinheitmueller:

hachi: the providers are continuously moving the frequencies for the ClearQAM channels, so SD wouldn't be able to keep up.

[19:32:03]

devinheitmueller:

It's not like NTSC where "channel 4" can always be found on the same frequency.

[19:32:07]

hachi:

:\

[19:32:08]

hachi:

yeah

[19:32:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Does his tv have 'gemstar' (or was that just analog cabe?)

[19:32:28]

hachi:

okay, so...

[19:32:34]

hachi:

the guide broke a few months ago

[19:32:52]

hachi:

and hasn't worked since either, I forgot about that

[19:33:09]

hachi:

but it used to get the guide data via the cable line somehow

[19:33:13]

hachi:

not a different data transport

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devinheitmueller:

crap, meeting. ttyl.

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** sphery is happy to find out that the Undercover Boss episode that aired after the Superbowl is re-airing tonight **

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sphery:

I normally don't watch reality TV, but that wasn't too bad. Unfortunately, I didn't put an overrecord on it, so I lost the last 15mins.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey mzb – how ya doing? ;-)

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mzb:

good thanks, and you?

[19:43:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Good. ;-)

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hachi:

is there some chance I could find callsigns via CC info on the channel?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I doubt it...

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hipitihop:

I have 2 tuners (although not sure if that is related) a few times now I have cued up multiple recordings som of which overlap, and status and upcoming listed them correctly, but found th enext day, most of them or any occured. Anyone experience this ?

[20:15:12]

wagnerrp:

check your backend logs

[20:15:23]

wagnerrp:

there is likely some error in there explaining why it failed to record

[20:15:46]

wagnerrp:

probably something to do with a moved channel, such that mythtv could not successfully tune it

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, big log goes back to nov last year, but string search does not find "moved channel"

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wagnerrp:

it wont say 'moved channel'

[20:22:35]

wagnerrp:

the logs are timestamped

[20:22:41]

hipitihop:

but I do notice a few and ocassional "DB Error (change_program):" other details and "Duplicate Entry"

[20:22:41]

wagnerrp:

follow them back to the time of the recording

[20:23:37]

hipitihop:

wagnerrp, unfortunately it has occured only 2 or 3 times and each time only made mental note to go and investigate but now can't remember which recordings or when.

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hipitihop:

so error like this in logs is something to worry about ? "Bindings were: :CHANID=1072, :NEWEND=2010-02–13T15:16:45, :NEWSTART= 2010-02–13T14:22:25, :OLDSTART=2010-02–13T13:45:00 Driver error was [2/1062]: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement"

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wagnerrp:

certainly something to worry about... dont know what would do that off hand

[20:27:29]

sphery:

hipitihop: sounds like either a) you have EIT enabled on a channel that gets listings from Schedules Direct or XMLTV or b) you have EIT enabled on a channel and you're doing a timeslot recording rule for the showing (and EIT moves the starttime)

[20:27:42]

sphery:

both are user error

[20:27:52]

hipitihop:

says "Duplicate entry ... for key PRIMARY"

[20:30:34]

hipitihop:

sphery, afaik I've got xmltv setup(but not certain it is working properly) and I certainly do not record using timeslot, but checking recording rules

[20:30:59]

sphery:

if you're using XMLTV, go in and turn off EIT on your video sources ("Use on air guide")

[20:31:08]

sphery:

you can't use both on any specific channel

[20:31:33]

sphery:

(or, if you use XMLTV for some channels and don't get info for the others, you can disable EIT on a channel-by-channel basis within the video source)

[20:31:53]

sphery:

but the rule is /either/ XMLTV or EIT for each channel--never both

[20:32:14]

sphery:

(if you disable it on the video source, none of the channels in that source will use EIT)

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hipitihop:

sphery, is that through control-center or backend-setup.. just running remotely over ssh, so want to know what to run

[20:33:03]

sphery:

mythtv-setup

[20:33:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

anybody know if it's still possible to drag the trunk mythfrontend around using ALT with the left mouse button?

[20:33:40]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: not if it's running in full screen mode

[20:34:06]

sphery:

if it's not in windowed mode, it may or may not work--depending on WM

[20:34:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

not full-screen, but maybe it thinks it is. I thought I used to be able to do that a few weeks ago, but I think there were some MythUI changes that went in concerning themouse.

[20:34:11]

wagnerrp:

using 'alt'?

[20:34:30]

wagnerrp:

like, you press alt, and drag anywhere on screen? not just the window manager bar?

[20:34:40]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: related to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23286

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah, pressing ALT with a left mouse click lets you drag a window in some window managers. w/o cliking the title bar.

[20:35:10]

wagnerrp:

that would be a no

[20:35:22]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: but if Qt::WindowFullScreen is set, most WM's won't allow moving it

[20:35:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

used to work, I just don't know when it broke.

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wagnerrp:

alt+leftmouse is handled just like leftmouse

[20:35:55]

hipitihop:

sphery, athanks, also while I have your attention, which log should I be looking at to confirm xmltv is running successfully ?

[20:36:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'm on a 1280x1024 screen but mythfrontend is 1000x562.

[20:36:12]

sphery:

hipitihop: it's run by mythfilldatabase

[20:36:17]

sphery:

likely a mythfilldatabase log

[20:36:28]

sphery:

the backend status page says when it last ran and the status

[20:36:41]

sphery:

so http://hostname:6544/ or MythWeb's Backend Status page

[20:37:58]

hipitihop:

sphery, I get "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-02–13 10:04 and ended on 2010-02–13 10:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. There's guide data until 2010-02–22 10:00 (9 days)."

[20:38:24]

hipitihop:

sphery, this is something it has always said

[20:39:13]

hipitihop:

sphery, hence why I'm not certain if I'm getting stuff via xmltv

[20:39:41]

sphery:

hipitihop: that error is usually meaningless... especially if you just corrected the EIT thing. Give it a couple of days and make sure you still have about 9 days of data and you should be good

[20:39:56]

** Captain_Murdoch thinks that just because I don't want a border on my window doesn't mean I'm full-screen, but changing that setting fixed it. **

[20:41:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

thanks.

[20:41:38]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: did you look at the changeset I linked? It's the one most likely to have broken it

[20:41:49]

sphery:

TTBOMM

[20:41:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

it is I think. because now it assumes you're full-screen if you have that setting set.

[20:42:04]

hipitihop:

sphery, I have had myth for over six months, and that is what it always says... always approximately 9 days

[20:42:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I can't argue a good case over it though, I just liked my borderless non-fullscreen window that I could move around. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

looks like that might cause issues elsewhere though. if people uncheck that box but have a geometry specified that is smaller than full-screen, then it looks like it will hide the OSX menu bar.

[20:45:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

that's just d->does_fill_screen though, not the patch you linked.

[20:46:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

that var really needs to be set based on the size of the win vs the size of hte screen, not based on the value of RunFrontendInWindow.

[20:46:58]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Right, d->does_fill_screen is based on RunFrontendInWindow, but that change sets Qt::WindowFullScreen unless GetMythUI()->IsGeometryOverridden()

[20:46:59]

hipitihop:

sphery, checked backend setup and I have only one source grabber is set to tv_grab_au and frequnecy table Australia

[20:47:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'm not overriding, I have my size set in mythfrontend's setup.

[20:47:29]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: so, basically, it looks like we now need to check the m_screenwidth, m_screenheight, etc. in IsGeometryOverridden()

[20:48:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

but the fact that we set does_fill_screen based on RunFrontendInWindow can cause other issues below.

[20:48:07]

sphery:

hipitihop: did you disable EIT on the source?

[20:48:25]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: ah, that could be... didn't read that far

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hipitihop:

sphery, still trying to find the option

[20:48:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, look in MythMainWindow::Show(), we hide the menu bar if does_fill_screen is true.

[20:49:00]

hipitihop:

sphery, still trying to find the option

[20:49:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

but RunFrontendInWindow doesn't imply we are filling the screen, it's just to enable/disable borders (unless we're changing the definiation of that setting to be different than the help text).

[20:49:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

definition even

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sphery:

hipitihop: did you find mythtv-setup? It's under Video Sources, then select the Video Source and it's something like "Use on-air guide"

[20:49:46]

hipitihop:

sphery, only seems to have EIT scan option when North Americ (SchedulesDirect) is picked as the grabber

[20:50:45]

hipitihop:

sphery, there is also an option to use grabber "Transmitted guide only (EIT)"

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hipitihop:

spherry, so does this seem like I have my available grabbers are little wonky ?

[20:51:32]

sphery:

hipitihop: it should be there for both XMLTV and SD sources

[20:51:41]

sphery:

hipitihop: but you can always disable it on every single channel

[20:51:59]

sphery:

it's not the "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" listings source

[20:53:25]

hipitihop:

sphery, is it safe to create another source to experiment ?

[20:53:33]

sphery:

hipitihop: should be

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hipitihop:

sphery, hmm on a new source, I get options eit only, no grabber, north america and then as I cycle it says "Loading XMLTV configuration..." and then returns and drops back to North American..

[20:57:06]

high-rez:

Man, I should get a discounted SD price for all of the corrections I've submitted to the lineup :)

[20:57:09]

** high-rez ducks **

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sphery:

hipitihop: may mean your xmltv stuff isn't working

[20:58:00]

sphery:

but I don't know anything about xmltv config, anymore

[20:58:32]

hipitihop:

sphery, yes I'm just googling for how to setup again... but how then is it getting 9 days ?

[20:59:34]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: if you fix the fullscreen flag, chances are it will fix http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7996 , too.

[21:00:01]

high-rez:

You're getting 9 days of EIT data?

[21:00:16]

wagnerrp:

not likely

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sphery:

not in the US it's possible

[21:01:11]

** wagnerrp turns on his yoda translater **

[21:01:21]

hipitihop:

high-rez, wagnerrp ... "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-02–13 10:04 and ended on 2010-02–13 10:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. There's guide data until 2010-02–22 10:00 (9 days)."

[21:01:34]

high-rez:

Anything beyond 3 days is an extension to the standard isn't it?

[21:01:46]

sphery:

heh... I think the UK has 7 days or something, and when you factor in the "counting" slop, that could show as 9 days

[21:02:03]

** high-rez is happy with SD's 14 days **

[21:02:11]

** sphery loves SD **

[21:02:35]

** high-rez loves SD too, but hates the lineup failures :( **

[21:02:56]

sphery:

but that's your cable co's failure, not SD's

[21:03:01]

sphery:

OTA ftw!

[21:03:12]

kc:

Is that like 12 imperial days = 9 metric days?

[21:03:21]

high-rez:

How is it the cable co's failure?

[21:03:27]

** wagnerrp thinks $0.0548/day is too much, and wont stand for anything more than $0.0527 **

[21:03:37]

sphery:

they're always changing around their lineups/channels/...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: in 2012, I can get it for you for $0.0546--but only because I'm nice that way

[21:05:01]

sphery:

of course, there are no refunds if the world ends on Dec 12, 2012

[21:05:01]

high-rez:

Ehh. Changes aren't frequent from my provider – and it seems that unless I complain about them they never get brought up to date :(

[21:05:05]

sphery:

s/12/21/

[21:05:22]

high-rez:

<Captain_Murdoch:#mythtv-users> sphery, look in MythMainWindow::Show(), we hide the menu bar if does_fill_screen is true.

[21:05:22]

high-rez:

<hipitihop:#mythtv-users> sphery, still trying to find the option

[21:05:22]

high-rez:

<Captain_Murdoch:#mythtv-users> but RunFrontendInWindow doesn't imply we are filling the screen, it's just to enable/disable borders

[21:05:22]

high-rez:

(unless we're changing the definiation of that setting to be different than the help text).

[21:05:22]

high-rez:

<Captain_Murdoch:#mythtv-users> definition even

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sphery:

someone dropped his mouse

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** kc laughs at high-rez **

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sphery:

too bad he didn't paste something more interesting

[21:06:00]

high-rez:

holy flood, my bad :)

[21:06:08]

sphery:

dropped the mouse?

[21:06:14]

sphery:

or touchpad failure?

[21:06:18]

high-rez:

I was uhh just reitterating the conversation.

[21:06:24]

sphery:

:)

[21:06:26]

high-rez:

Yeah, I'm going to go with operator error here.

[21:06:26]

high-rez:

:)

[21:06:43]

high-rez:

I'll fully admit to my button pushing mistake.

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sphery:

I made an enemy when I had a touchpad mistake like that

[21:07:18]

high-rez:

I bet.

[21:07:25]

high-rez:

I probably just made a few ;)

[21:07:32]

** high-rez feels a bit sheepish **

[21:07:47]

sphery:

well, at least none of us are going to be mad about your pasting things we've already said in this channel...

[21:07:58]

high-rez:

Yeah no doubt.

[21:08:59]

sphery:

I copy/pasted something from a PM that the other guy didn't want seen in here all because of a brush against the touchpad while I was trying to switch windows

[21:09:56]

kc:

woops

[21:10:04]

high-rez:

I blame it on my overpriced yet under performing Sun mouse.

[21:10:38]

sphery:

is it one of those fancy Sun optical mice with the gridded mirror mouse pad?

[21:10:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, the x/y offset is working for me whether the RFIW setting is on or off. I looked at the code and am not seeing how does_fill_screen would affect that at all, but I'm not real familiar with that code so I may be missing something.

[21:11:18]

high-rez:

sphery: No no no, it's an actual modern sun mouse. I think the ones that required the gridded pad use the old ultra-2 era sun connectors. This guy is USB ;)

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keith4_:

how long has mythweb had a, um... WAP mode? mobile-friendly version?

[21:11:49]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: I think it's the Qt::WindowFullScreen that does it... Has different effects on different WM's.

[21:11:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

ultra-2 was in the middle of the era. :)

[21:11:52]

hipitihop:

anyone here using Shepherd grabber ?

[21:12:00]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, ah.

[21:12:22]

sphery:

pretty sure bfransen was using fluxbox 1.1, fwiw

[21:12:41]

high-rez:

captain_murdoch: Indeed, but you know anything before ultra2 predates me ;)

[21:13:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

I have a type 5 keyboard and a couple of those mice around because I still have a couple Ultra-5 boxes sitting in a rack at home.

[21:14:11]

high-rez:

Heh, my primary server (sitting in 'the westin') was an ultra-5. I took it down after 2000+ days of uptime.

[21:14:52]

high-rez:

Its hedgestone reads "It ran pine well."

[21:15:22]

sphery:

keith4_: the WAP thing has been there forever (and is currently bitrotting). There are other mobile-friendly skins (including an iPhone/iPod Touch skin) that are auto-chosen for some clients.

[21:15:34]

sphery:

I'm guessing you're seeing the latter

[21:15:43]

sphery:

the "lite" skin or the iPhone skin

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high-rez:

Is the WAP interface literally like WML?

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sphery:

keith4_: s/skin/template/

[21:16:31]

sphery:

skins are the colors, etc.

[21:16:58]

sphery:

I always confuse MythWeb's multiple UI-changing things

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wagnerrp:

not sure what you would do with a decade old system

[21:17:28]

keith4_:

sphery, maybe that's what i'm seeing, then... using my iphone

[21:17:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, sell it on craigslist. :)

[21:17:43]

wagnerrp:

of course that thing is still more powerful than the machines used as backends by some users around here

[21:17:51]

sphery:

high-rez: I think it was partly WML/WAP, but never really went fully there

[21:18:02]

sphery:

keith4_: yeah, that would be iPod-default for you

[21:18:02]

keith4_:

I don't know if I never went to mythweb on the iphone, or if it's changed since .22... but i've never seen this interface before

[21:18:07]

high-rez:

Nobody is buying ulra4s on craigslist.

[21:18:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, 40Mhz I recall.

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Captain_Murdoch:

nevermind, it was faster than that.

[21:18:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

2xx Mhz.

[21:18:35]

wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: thats the thing, who's going to buy it on craigslist.... i never really understood why people buy old hardware like that

[21:18:37]

high-rez:

Heck, I have a really modern machine with 16gb of ram I tried to sell on craigslist and nobody would buy it :)

[21:18:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

sparc 2s I threw away were 40 I think.

[21:19:02]

high-rez:

We still have a ton of ancient sparcs running in our lab.

[21:19:03]

keith4_:

my router is an ultra 2e

[21:19:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, put "server" in the title and it will sell. :)

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high-rez:

Nobody will turn them off because they're afraid someone is still using them ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I brought home an old Tatung Sparc 10 clone about a month ago just for the 2U case it came in.

[21:20:21]

high-rez:

Captain_Murdoch: Where are you located? Maybe I'll try to sell my server there – cause in Seattle nobody wants em :)

[21:20:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

high-rez, I haven't sold them yet. but am going to post an ad before chucking them.

[21:20:44]

hipitihop:

sphery, ok runing my sheperad -ccheck script, it claims it ran successfully .. and checking shephard.log also seems fine.. so looks like I should disable individual EIT channels, where do I do that ?

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high-rez:

Captain_Murdoch: I'll bet you get more money for them from some old nostaglic sun dude than I get from my modern machine :(

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wagnerrp:

whoops

[21:22:29]

wagnerrp:

i created a recording earlier today, testing doing it with the bindings

[21:22:32]

wagnerrp:

and forgot to delete it

[21:22:39]

wagnerrp:

(its currently recording

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Captain_Murdoch:

guess it works

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keith4_:

sphery, this? http://imagebin.org/84605

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wagnerrp:

keith4_: one of the many remote apps

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wagnerrp:

check on the wiki, telnet socket

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keith4_:

the "remote" doesn't... do anything

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high-rez:

The two iphone apps I've used are mymote and rrgh

[21:25:05]

keith4_:

i like mymote. it's quite snappy

[21:25:06]

wagnerrp:

nevermind, thats just mythweb

[21:25:11]

high-rez:

Neither of which actually seem to work for me.

[21:25:21]

keith4_:

mymote works great!

[21:25:26]

wagnerrp:

theres a custom display format for the iphone

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high-rez:

Not for me :(

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high-rez:

I think it has a bug with newer versions of myth

[21:25:47]

keith4_:

wagnerrp, it's... very minimalist

[21:25:52]

iamlindoro:

nope, works fine with trunk, up to and including today

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keith4_:

high-rez, i think you Did It Wrong

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high-rez:

I must have?

[21:26:40]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: for better or worse, there is no version checking on the telnet socket as there is with the backend

[21:26:53]

wagnerrp:

however the interface is fairly static, so it doesnt really matter

[21:27:13]

high-rez:

But mymote tries to connect to the backend doesn't it ?

[21:27:20]

high-rez:

Or does it just hit 6546 ?

[21:27:24]

hipitihop:

keith4_, os nay links to mymote, screen shots, is it a free ?

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keith4_:

of course it's free

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high-rez:

os nay ?

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high-rez:

Is that pig lattin ?

[21:27:59]

wagnerrp:

mymote baffles me

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high-rez:

islay inklay ootay mymottay? eenshotscray? eefray?

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hipitihop:

high-rez, heh sorry folks, keyboard has mind of its own ... should have said "any links..."

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wagnerrp:

why does it require avahi?

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keith4_:

it mdns-discovers the backend

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keith4_:

and then queries the backend for a list of potential frontends

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high-rez:

So you have to run avahi on the backend?

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wagnerrp:

no, it discovers avahi running on whatever machine you have set up

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wagnerrp:

if they had just used upnp like everything else

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wagnerrp:

they could actually hit the backend directly

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wagnerrp:

and not have to hook into the database, or set up some external discovery daemon

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keith4_:

wagnerrp, no. i'm looking at it right now. i have a handful of upnp services running, on several different boxes, and it only shows my myth backend

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wagnerrp:

yes, it shows the backend, and the backend web server, which you can use to list off available frontends

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hipitihop:

sphery, ok mythbackend-setup .. general, found EIT scanner options page

[21:32:43]

hipitihop:

sphery, although does not have general off switch, just timeouts, cross source, idle.

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wagnerrp:

keith4_: if you find the backend over upnp, you can query the frontends through ... http://backend:6544/Myth/GetHosts and http://backend:6544/Myth/GetSetting?Key=Netwo . . . ame=frontend

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wagnerrp:

no need to use avahi, no need to access the database, just the one address returned by an m-search

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hipitihop:

can someone briefly describe the correct setup for inputs and input groups when you have two tuners ?

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wagnerrp:

input groups are only needed if you have two tuners that cannot be used at the same time

[21:43:30]

wagnerrp:

for instance two halves of a hybrid tuner

[21:43:38]

wagnerrp:

or firewire and analog capture off a single STB

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, so if I have two independent usb tuners.. the it is ok for them to be in same input group and same priority

[21:50:09]

wagnerrp:

no, input groups are for tuners that cannot be used at the same time

[21:50:29]

wagnerrp:

if you put two completely independent tuners in the same input group, mythtv will assume it can only use one at a time

[21:52:37]

hipitihop:

wagnerrp, ahh, so that may be the reason why if I have overlapping recordings scheduled and it choses to use both tuners, then this setting may be causing the failure

[21:53:24]

hipitihop:

wagner, so to put it anther way..since I have seperate tuners, I should setup a seperate group for each one, but keep same input priority

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wagnerrp:

no, just ignore input groups all together

[21:54:42]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt touch those settings unless you specifically have the need to as described above

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, sorry to be a pain but you said "if you put two completely independent tuners in the same input group, mythtv will assume it can only use one at a time"

[21:56:06]

wagnerrp:

correct

[21:56:10]

wagnerrp:

meaning you shouldnt do that

[21:56:19]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt touch input groups

[21:56:31]

wagnerrp:

just leave them be and mythtv will continue on its way

[21:57:09]

wagnerrp:

the ONLY reason to change then from their defaults is to fix a problem where you can only use one of multiple tuners at a time

[21:57:10]

hipitihop:

wagnerrp, ok, but since I have two inputs, one for each tuner, the default settings point both of them at "Generic" input group

[21:57:38]

wagnerrp:

generic is special, it doesnt do anything

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** hipitihop suspects he may be belaboring the point, so will just leave things as they are **

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wagnerrp:

there just has to be some default value in there

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hipitihop:

makes sense

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russk:

with mythweb recorded , under Recorded Programs ... when I click the RSS thingy at the bottom, I get require(modules/_shared/tmpl/rss/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory ... Fatal error: ... how can I fix this?

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russk:

never mind about the mythweb problem, I found the correct URL to use for my feed viewer

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jamesd2:

is there a safe way to add a storage pool to a myth backend not requiring the frontend, or the backend to be stopped, currently recording two shows and the tv is busy at the moment.. watching the olympics but i want to add more storage.

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

just remove some recordings from your exiting folders

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wagnerrp:

either delete them, or just move them else where

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jamesd2:

preparing for the olympics.. only have 170GB free space... at 7GB an hour it won't last long.

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[R]:

the olpymics are on?

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wagnerrp:

started tonight

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[R]:

oh well

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jamesd2:

openning event.. on NBC if you are in the U.S.

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Captain_Murdoch:

jamesd2, you do not have to restart the backend after running mythtv-setup if the only thing you do is add a storage group directory. the next time the scheduler runs, it will see the new directory and start using it.

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jamesd2:

okay i will skip the startup script and run the actual program...

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wagnerrp:

what distro do you use?

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Captain_Murdoch:

as soon as you add the dir and exit mythtv-setup, you should be able to hit the backend's internal webserver @ http://masterbackendip:6544/ and you should see the new disk/directory shown in the list.

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, mythbuntu will automatically stop the backend if you run mythtv-setup

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Captain_Murdoch:

mythtv-setup.real or whatever they renamed it to....

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