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ramindia:

where can i find ISO image of mythubuntu. looks like the site is down

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[R]:

this isnt #mythbuntu

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ramindia:

ok sorry for that let me join there for the same

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hein1908_:

Good morning

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hein1908_:

Is there somebody out there, who as an advice how to setuo my xorg.con right to use HDTV?

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hein1908_:

Problem: Every thing works fine with 1920x1080, but after a boot always the resolution 1024x786 is selected. After manually switch back to 1920x1080 it works fine, but onyl until the next reboot.

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fryfrog:

can't you set 1920x1080 as the default?

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hein1908_:

Fryfrog: I tried, but it comes up always with 1024x768. In the xorg.conf 1920 ist the default

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fryfrog:

what if you make that the *only* entry in xorg.conf?

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hein1908_:

fryfrog: I tried it (many, many tries), but it always comes up with 1024. I can switch with nvidia-setting to 1920 and then it works fine.

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hein1908_:

If a xorgconf with only one mode 1920x1080, but it start with 1024.

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fryfrog:

ah, could your tv be reporting some false edid info?

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fryfrog:

on my tv, i think i had to put in some ignore edid type lines

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fryfrog:

the tv was saying it could only support so and so resoultion

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hein1908_:

It may be, but how could I chekc this?

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hein1908_:

Ich can save the edid info wirh nvidia-setting, but it's a binary formalt, i couldn't read it.

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hein1908_:

Fryfrog: I'll try this

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fryfrog:

i spent a while looking at nvidia man pages for their driver options

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hein1908_:

fryfrog: I insert the option IgnoreEDID, dindn't help

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_fjh_:

Hi, I have problems configuring my ASUS DH Remote with mythtv. I think it is more lirc related, but I have not idea where to start!

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_fjh_:

Is anyone using this here?

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zkab:

When I connect to Mythtv built-in UPnP-server with a UPnP-client I can only see: Recordings/Music/Vidoes but where are all my pictures

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sphery:

zkab: Don't think MythGallery pictures are exported with UPnP. Patches appreciated.

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zkab:

Hmmm ... according to MythTV-Wiki-UPnp these media (pictures/videos/audio/music) could be shared

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sphery:

Well, I'd trust the wiki more than my memory, so I must be wrong. I don't know how to set it up, but I'd recommend going through a) backend settings in mythtv-setup (as the backend is the UPnP server), b) frontend settings in mythfrontend, c) MythGallery settings in mythfrontend.

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sphery:

Also note that the backend has to be able to read all the pictures for them to be usable by the backend

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sphery:

the fact that mythgallery can use them only says that the frontend can read them (so isn't proof of proper config)

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ikevin:

hello

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zkab:

sphery: there is only one section in mythtv-setup dealing with "UPnP Server Settings"

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zkab:

1) Video content to show a WMP client

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ikevin:

anyone know a good howto on how getting tags from avi file on mythvideo please?

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zkab:

2) Upnp media update time

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zkab:

the rest of settings in mythfrontend and mythgallery don't have any UPnP setting ... i am lost

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rooter7:

mythcommflag is suddenly terrible. Worse than nothing. Is there a workaround?

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rooter7:

Whelp, thanks for all your help!

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wagnerrp:

thats really not a question for here either, try #ubuntu

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innatech:

Hello---tried to install MythBuntu (9.10 x86) as a Primary Backend+Frontend last night on a K8N Neo2 (nForce2) / AMD X2 4200+ system (3GB RAM) with 2 Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 boards. I have one PATA drive (the boot drive) and two SATA drives in an nRaid stripe. I'm having two problems: first, the installer sees my PATA drive as SDC during install but apparently GRUB doesn't see it as SDC on boot, because it freezes after stage 1.

[11:06:29]

innatech:

I have to use the install CD to boot the first drive. Second, once booted, I get this constant login prompt flicker--I have to SSH in on another maching and stop GDM. Presumably this is the restricted drivers failing to support my 6600XT (AGP.) I've tried 180, 185 and 190 from nVidia's site. Ideas?

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Beirdo2:

innatech: Sounds like a not mythtv problem to me. Have you tried #ubuntu?

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dewman:

i know this quest

[11:10:13]

Beirdo2:

vanksi: You in?

[11:10:30]

dewman:

I know this question has been already asked but is the autobuilds server down?

[11:10:47]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not have an autobuilds server

[11:10:54]

wagnerrp:

try your distro's channel

[11:10:58]

Beirdo2:

Heh

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dewman:

okey dokey

[11:11:24]

Beirdo2:

I guess people take this for distros r us today

[11:11:26]

wagnerrp:

you probably want #ubuntu-mythtv

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innatech:

Berido: Yeah, they told me more or less what I already knew. That it's a grub numbering issue and that the flickering prompt was symptomatic of an nvidia driver issue. I thought people might here might have seen it and solved it since it's a myth-specific flavor of ubuntu.

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Beirdo2:

Ahh.

[11:11:56]

innatech:

wagnerrp: ahh. LOL.

[11:12:17]

Beirdo2:

Upgrade yer nvidia drivers should help on that part

[11:12:26]

dewman:

wagnerrp, thanks//// thats what I want

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Beirdo2:

Grub.. Good luck

[11:12:38]

wagnerrp:

hes already tried 190, is 195 out of beta yet?

[11:12:56]

innatech:

yeah...tried that first---I think I may actually need to downgrade. It's an old AGP card. Anyway, I'll go bother the distro specific channel.

[11:13:29]

Beirdo2:

Ahh yeah maybe downgrade. Try reading nvidias forums too

[11:13:38]

Beirdo2:

They are often usefil

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innatech:

yup, good call.

[11:13:42]

wagnerrp:

try for 169 or 173

[11:13:50]

wagnerrp:

considering that is a fairly old card

[11:13:50]

Beirdo2:

Useful rather

[11:14:01]

wagnerrp:

i doubt theres anything the new drivers really have to offer it anyway

[11:14:06]

innatech:

wagnerrp, thanks, I'll try those.

[11:14:07]

wagnerrp:

aside from lack of xvmc support

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Beirdo2:

For an old card yeah

[11:14:24]

wagnerrp:

(AFAIK those were removed from 180 onwards)

[11:14:52]

Beirdo2:

Thats insane of them

[11:15:11]

wagnerrp:

why? the 8-series and better cards dont support it even in hardware

[11:15:28]

wagnerrp:

and modern processors can manage everything xvmc was supposed to help with in software anyway

[11:15:28]

FKman:

Hello. After installing MythFrontend and MythBackend i can't see my live tv. I got only information: "Partially locked". Can anyone help me

[11:15:32]

wagnerrp:

without all the restrictions

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Beirdo2:

No i mean to drop support for old cards completely is insane

[11:16:08]

wagnerrp:

i believe the modern drivers still support back to the 5-series

[11:16:18]

Beirdo2:

Ok

[11:16:18]

wagnerrp:

but the 4 and older were dropped LONG ago

[11:16:43]

Beirdo2:

I have some old cards but mostly they died anyways

[11:16:46]

Beirdo2:

Heh

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Beirdo2:

Gputrans may be getting a boot in the ass soon

[11:17:41]

Beirdo2:

Ive ignored it far too long

[11:17:58]

Beirdo2:

Gonna likely go from cg to cuda

[11:18:19]

Beirdo2:

And hopefully vdpau where possiblr

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Beirdo2:

Damn i cant type on this iphone

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innatech:

this is a six series (6600) but it is AGP which is pretty much dead. But I'll try some older versions. Maybe tweak the BIOS too. Earlier nForce boards are often funky.

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Beirdo2:

I will be putting it onto github soon

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Beirdo3:

Heh. Wifi->3g

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russell5:

can anyone help me? mythtv menus shows full screen but when i go into live tv its off a little bit

[11:38:17]

FKman:

ello. After installing MythFrontend and MythBackend i can't see my live tv. I got only information: "Partially locked". Can anyone help me

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Brad-D:

morning gang

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Beirdo:

OK... at home

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Brad-D:

morning beirdo

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innatech:

Out of curiousity: as anyone seen onboard nForce irDA working w/LIRC under Myth? I'm thinking it's not worth the trouble.

[11:54:43]

innatech:

*has

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Beirdo:

morning :)

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Beirdo:

by 5 minutes, but still morning :)

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Brad-D:

haha i guess it is getting late isn't it :)

[11:57:27]

Beirdo:

kinda :)

[11:57:52]

Beirdo:

now I'm trying to wrap my brain around a rather large change to the database handling for beirdobot

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Beirdo:

MythLogBot: be prepared to be refactored :)

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Brad-D:

haha

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Brad-D:

sounds interesting

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Beirdo:

well, right now, I do SQL queries... but I want to abstract it to use JSON requests/JSON responses

[11:58:59]

Beirdo:

so I can allow other database engines easier, and so I can expand the webservice, etc.

[11:59:04]

Beirdo:

fun times

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Brad-D:

ambitious!

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Beirdo:

the response part is dead simple

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Beirdo:

the requests... ouch

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afm:

morning all

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Brad-D:

beirdo: have you ever seen this in nuvexport "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/local/mythtv-0–22/mythextras/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg/MP4.pm line 186, <STDIN> line 16." I'm sure it's a config problem on my part, but not sure where to start looking

[12:03:34]

Brad-D:

morning afm

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afm:

after updating my videos location from one dir to another within mythfrontend setup video....the location within the browser still has the old location. is there a way to force a rescan? coverart possibly added the db entries perhaps? admittedly bit of a mysql dummy

[12:04:32]

Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

one sec

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Beirdo:

Brad-D: could you check what that line number says?

[12:06:04]

Beirdo:

I only have trunk checked out right now

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Beirdo:

is it: my $standard = ($episode->{'finfo'}{'fps'} =~ /^2(?:5|4\.9)/) ? 'PAL' : 'NTSC';

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Brad-D:

yes, one sec, going to check

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Brad-D:

beirdo: so the line you just mentioned in 185 for me (the line before it complains). line 186 for me is: if ($standard eq 'PAL') {

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Beirdo:

hmm, OK, me too. wonder why it complains on a line with no m// match in it :)

[12:10:49]

Beirdo:

it seems likely to me that it's not getting the fps from the file maybe

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Brad-D:

yeah, bizarre.. i'm probably missing some sort of library or something?

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Beirdo:

does it do this with all files?

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Brad-D:

i've tried it on 3 and it does it on all three

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Brad-D:

it also gives me similar errors at other points, let me go dig those up

[12:12:27]

Beirdo:

you have mplayer installed, I assume? :)

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Beirdo:

and what format input? MPEG or .nuv (from a framegrabber)?

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Brad-D:

http://pastebin.ca/1804729

[12:16:06]

Brad-D:

yes, have mplayer installed

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Brad-D:

input is captures from hdpvr

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Beirdo:

could you run: mplayer -v -v -v -v -nolirc -nojoystick -vo null -ao null -frames 0 -identify inputfile > blah

[12:19:39]

Beirdo:

and pastebin the output?

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Beirdo:

of course, substituting in a real filename :)

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Brad-D:

yes, one sec

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Brad-D:

http://filebin.ca/udenvw/blah

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Brad-D:

also when it was creating the blah file it said this: "FAAD: compressed input bitrate missing, assuming 128kbit/s!

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Brad-D:

"

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Brad-D:

and sorry if this takes up too much of your time. If you want to work on something else, totally understandable!

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Beirdo:

not a problem, give me a moment :)

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Beirdo:

OK, I see the problem

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Beirdo:

but I'm not sure how to fix this :)

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Beirdo:

it seems that mplayer NEVER identified the frame rate or the width and height from the file

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Beirdo:

correction

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Beirdo:

it got the FPS

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Beirdo:

but not width and height

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Beirdo:

it sees width and height as 0

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Brad-D:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

which is screwy

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Brad-D:

i wonder if i have an old/bad version of mplayer?

[12:33:04]

Brad-D:

i have: MPlayer 29092–4.4.0

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Beirdo:

that is possible. Not sure.

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Brad-D:

okay thanks for the insight, i will keep playing with it :)

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Beirdo:

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Beirdo:

that's what I have... seems older yet

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Beirdo:

but anyways, that seems to be the cause of the issues

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Beirdo:

how we can fix it, I'm not sure

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Brad-D:

i will work at it, and if i get anything i will let you know

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Brad-D:

in case anyone else has the same problems

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Beirdo:

sure thing

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Beirdo:

the mplayer call is in nuvexport/mythtv/nuvinfo.pm, BTW

[12:36:29]

Beirdo:

and here comes the daily rain

[12:36:42]

Beirdo:

ahh, winters in the Caribbean

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D, Beirdo: i havent seen it mentioned in the current conversation, but theres an existing ticket for that issue.... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6774

[12:38:32]

Brad-D:

ahh yes, that sounds exactly like my prob :)

[12:40:05]

Brad-D:

wagnerrp: is that a howto anywhere that explains how to apply patches? I have never done that before

[12:40:10]

Brad-D:

err is there

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wagnerrp:

patch < patchfile

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Brad-D:

i don't have to specify the file it is going into? the patchfile figures that out on it's own?

[12:41:10]

wagnerrp:

assuming youre in the correct folder

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Brad-D:

i will try that, thanks

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wagnerrp:

if you are not in the correct folder (the folder diff was originally run from), you can use -p<n> to strip one or more directories off the path to the file listed in the patch file

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: nice. I hadn't thought of looking for the perl binding ones :)

[12:43:44]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i just remember seeing it because i scanned through the open tickets last night

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Beirdo:

thanks

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Beirdo:

we will need to associate that with nuvexport as well. They currently use similar but separate code

[12:44:42]

Beirdo:

not sure if xris is planning on merging them any time soon, although I could give him a hand with that if he is

[12:44:53]

Brad-D:

yup, totally got rid of my problems on that

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Beirdo:

you added -demuxer lavf to the identify line and it started working right?

[12:46:47]

wagnerrp:

nuvexport doesnt use the bindings?

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Brad-D:

so far i just patched in the h264.2.diff file

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Brad-D:

and i don't have any of those errors anymore.. although when the file hits ffmpeg, it sits at 0 frames and doesn't seem to process

[12:47:15]

Brad-D:

will have to work on that

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

innatech: no one seems to have answered yet.... generally IrDA receivers do not work with LIRC

[12:48:01]

Beirdo:

that might be fixed in svn version of nuvexport... ffmpeg changed a lot of command line args

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Brad-D:

k

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Beirdo:

and their version numbers are all over the place

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Brad-D:

are you guys both using trunk right now?

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wagnerrp:

i am currently, yes

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jamesd2:

its amazing what a gift of 20 or unsupported devices to 20 or so mythtv developers would do to the likely hood of getting it become a supported device.

[12:49:16]

innatech:

wagnerrp: that's what I gathered from my searching. The IR port on nf3 is also a serial port, so I thought that might make a difference. But w/o even any anecdotal encouragement I think I'll just order an external blaster box.

[12:49:20]

Beirdo:

I have trunk, yes... not running it at the moment because my stupid cable provider is being dumb

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Beirdo:

but I plan on fixing that soon

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wagnerrp:

jamesd2: eh?

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Brad-D:

is it fairly stable? Would it be a mistake for me to go to trunk? I ran trunk on .22 for quite a while before release, and was happy with it

[12:50:04]

Beirdo:

and the raid card which supports my recordings dir is currently dead and being replaced

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Brad-D:

beirdo: how is your cable provider being dumb?

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: trunk is about to get forked, to a release candidate

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Beirdo:

well, using trunk for nuvexport shouldn't hurt anything but nuvexport, I'd think

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wagnerrp:

you may as well wait a couple days

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: sweet! Looking forward to it

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Beirdo:

Brad-D: they wouldn't let us get another digital cable box

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jamesd2:

wagnerrp, just a comment.. if you want irda recievers supported give a bunch of them to mythtv developers and soon it will be supported

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Brad-D:

beirdo: wouldn't let you? that is so bizarre! why?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hmmm, I guess I should see if we can't close a few more of the nuvexport issues ;)

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wagnerrp:

first, mythtv does do IR... thats up to LiRC

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Beirdo:

Brad-D: beats me... because they are retarded?

[12:51:46]

wagnerrp:

second, most of those devices, is simply not possible to configure them to capture standard IR commands

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Brad-D:

beirdo: yeah i'm going to have to fight with my cable company soon too.. for some reason some of their HD channels are sending corrupted signals, so i get tons of pixelation not looking forward to those conversations.. going to have to remove mythtv from the setup, or they will continually blame it

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

cable companies suck

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Brad-D:

yup that pretty much sums it up :)

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Beirdo:

OK, I have the h264.2.diff patch manually added in my checked-out version of nuvexport. Hopefully we'll have that checked in soon. Gotta talk with xris first :)

[12:58:11]

Beirdo:

it's mostly his baby, I do help out with it.

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Beirdo:

if that does fix the issue and it goes on to give proper output, I'm sure it will all be OK

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Beirdo:

now to think about my JSON-based database queries :)

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innatech:

I've resolved my mythbuntu-specific issues it would seem. Cleaned up after the Grub2 installer and fixed the video by removing the distro packages and installing the oldest legacy drivers from the nvidia site.

[13:04:28]

innatech:

Now, on to myth itself. :)

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wagnerrp:

your distro should provide a package for the legacy drivers

[13:05:17]

innatech:

yes. It barfed on itself for some reason.

[13:05:38]

innatech:

So I did it by hand.

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Beirdo:

oy, this will be fun to implement

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just scratched out draft 1 of an SQL query abstracted to JSON

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Beirdo:

select only... so far

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dustybin:

would this mobo be ideal for a mythtv backend: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180067

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dustybin:

note the 4x 32-bit PCI slot

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dustybin:

s

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wagnerrp:

do you have a bunch of PCI tuners?

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dustybin:

i have 2x Hauppauge Nova-T dual tuners

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dustybin:

in teh future i might get 2x Hauppauge Nova-S tuners

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dustybin:

for HD in UK

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dustybin:

i dont think there are any PCIe tv cards what work in linux?!

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wagnerrp:

i have a PCIe tuner card

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dustybin:

oh.!

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wagnerrp:

ive been using it for about a year and a half now

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dustybin:

dvb-s ?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S2_PCIe_Cards

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dustybin:

wow

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dustybin:

i didnt think there was any working dvb-s2 cards on linux :D

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dustybin:

oh interesting

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dustybin:

i wonder if UK folk can pickup freesat with a dvb-s2 card

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wagnerrp:

i thought all your stuff was going to start transitioning over to s2

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dustybin:

im not sure

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dustybin:

maybe something like this would be more suitable

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dustybin:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191840

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innatech:

not sure what's left to do on this install--I'm looking at a blank desktop. Myth Frontend doesn't want to launch. Backend config won't run because fillmythdb (or whatever it's called) is erroring out.

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wagnerrp:

likely something you want to ask in #ubuntu-mythtv, because that is not typicaly myth behavior

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wagnerrp:

the frontend will run regardless of whether the backend is running

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wagnerrp:

it will just warn you that its not running

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup will not run mythfilldatabase on its own

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wagnerrp:

it just informs you that you may want to do so yourself

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: do you have need for two graphics cards in a backend? do you even have need for one graphics card in a backend?

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wagnerrp:

if its a server, you may want to get one with integrated graphics

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: the latest intel boards use the CPU for intergrated graphics

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dustybin:

i need a fast quadcore CPU because i also want to use it to run a few virtual machines

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wagnerrp:

ah right.... the i5s do that

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dustybin:

yep

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wagnerrp:

why do you want to run VMs?

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dustybin:

im studying server 2008 R2

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dustybin:

will use KVM to run those

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dustybin:

and CentOS

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wagnerrp:

you probably dont want to run mythtv on centos

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dustybin:

debian is the host

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dustybin:

kvm will run 2x server 2008R2 + 1x centOS

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dustybin:

using a Intel i5 750 Quadcore

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dustybin:

my server will actually be doing stuff instead of sitting idle :D

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dustybin:

this has a nice range of PCI slots: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . oductID=3164

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innatech:

Can anyone point me towards a libvdpau that will work w/the nvidia 96 series driver? Apparently that's where I'm stuck.

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wagnerrp:

neither the 96-series driver, nor your card, support VDPAU

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innatech:

can I reconfigure Myth so as not to need it?

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wagnerrp:

if you compile from source, yes

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innatech:

hrrm. Maybe this needs to be a backend only box.

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innatech:

Thanks, btw. You've saved me quite a bit of frustration this morning.

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU didnt exist until 180

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wagnerrp:

and i dont think libvdpau was branched until 190

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innatech:

yeah. It seems to me something went wrong with the install scripts. I'm going to wipe it and start again w/a simple back end. I'll get the remote frontends working first.

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wagnerrp:

honestly, a 6600XT is a poor choice for a card for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

its overpowered for the UI, which basically just needs some form of functioning hardware opengl

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innatech:

yeah. It's just what's sitting in the old box I'm repurposing.

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wagnerrp:

but then it doesnt support the hardware decoding, or improved analog outputs of the newer cards

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wagnerrp:

as a backend, it really makes no difference

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wagnerrp:

although you may want to pick up a new card anyway

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wagnerrp:

a cheapo low-end card is going to pay for itself in a year with reduced power consumption

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innatech:

yup. That's a good point.

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wagnerrp:

now that i think about that, i should probably do that myself

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wagnerrp:

ive had a 6500 sitting in my backend for years without ever running X on the machine

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innatech:

I *thought* it had an svideo port but on closer inspection it's a mini-component out (for a breakout cable) and as I can't use component where that machine lives it really is useless.

[15:15:04]

wagnerrp:

usually those breakout ports can be used for svideo directly

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wagnerrp:

or at least have a svideo port on the breakout box/cable

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innatech:

not this one...at least not on the cable.

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innatech:

anyway the card is driving me nuts, so the hell with it.

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innatech:

*to

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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wagnerrp:

i was just tinkering around on one of my frontends, and exited playback

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wagnerrp:

only to realize i did so on the wrong frontend

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wagnerrp:

and exited playback on someone watching a movie

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wagnerrp:

a little under five minutes left... hopefully they were in the credits

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

so the weirdest thing... my myth frontend refused to get a dhcp lease

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[R]:

if i plugged my laptop into the same exact cable... IT got a lease just fine

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[R]:

and it was working last night

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: well done :)

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Beirdo:

the screams from the other room clued you in?

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wagnerrp:

no, trying to fix a regex in mythremctl.py

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wagnerrp:

and it wasnt matching the response from 'query location' even remotely

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wagnerrp:

then i realized it was a regex for livetv, and the location was in mythvideo

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Beirdo:

oops

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wagnerrp:

i imagine ill hear something later about 'mythtv broke again...'

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wagnerrp:

i was actually disappointed with [R]'s response

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wagnerrp:

i got halfway through reading it, and had already filled in the rest

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wagnerrp:

'so the weirdest thing... my myth frontend arbitrarily exited playback of a dvdrip. no error in the log or anything.'

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[R]:

?

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Beirdo:

aye carumba

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Beirdo:

I should get on the road. TTYL... in a couple hours or so

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wagnerrp:

[R]: i was reading your message, and thought you were mocking my foul up

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

just pissed off that i bricked my router

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[R]:

and now i have to wait for a new one

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wagnerrp:

so i was about to laugh, only to finish reading and see it was about something completely unrelated

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[R]:

everyythign was PERFECT... and two little typos... and boom, its dead

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bjd:

ouch

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bjd:

what router was it?

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[R]:

an airlink ar430w... more commonly known as a dlink dir300

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wagnerrp:

trash the firmware or something?

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[R]:

i killed the bootloader

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[R]:

no clue how

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[R]:

i was using mtd to write to flash a) i put the wrong name for the partition to erase (it dindt exist, so i dont think that was it) b) i hit ctrlc while it was flashing

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[R]:

i found out how to JTAG it

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[R]:

but its not really worth it

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[R]:

consider i may have corrupted the board configuration data

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bjd:

:/

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[R]:

anyway... i may have a hot date soon, so i gotta get ready

[16:23:11]

wagnerrp:

rather early... headed out for a blue haired special?

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Sektor:

Hi everybody, I wanna change the format from nuv to avi, Is it possible?

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wagnerrp:

not with myth's built in tools

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wagnerrp:

but you can use nuvexport in contrib

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slayven:

guys, are you aware of any glitches in the diseqc implementation in mythbuntu karmic?

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wagnerrp:

or some other 3rd party transcoder that support snuvs

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slayven:

I tried everything but I can't get the channel scanner find anything in mythtv-setup

[16:53:03]

slayven:

the dish/driver/setup is fine, I'm able to scan(1) and szap a stream

[16:54:11]

slayven:

I tried to import the channel.conf from the scan, but the channel scanner only runs into timeouts

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slayven:

any ideas what to try next?

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reseg:

<reseg> hello, what tuner card do you guys recommend?

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wagnerrp:

what do you want to record?

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reseg:

oh, sorry, I don't I meant 'tuner card'. What's the device that captures HDTV signal?

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wagnerrp:

tuner card

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sid3windr:

=)

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reseg:

I really don't want to record it, I just want to be able to watch things live

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wagnerrp:

then you dont want mythtv

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reseg:

Ah, okay. But from the description of what I want, the device I need is indeed 'tuner card', right?

[16:59:43]

wagnerrp:

probably

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wagnerrp:

again, that depends on what you want to record

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reseg:

is there a popular choice on which there is somewhat of a consensus for tuner cards? like apparently everyone loves the WRT54GL router, for example

[17:01:21]

wagnerrp:

what do you want to record?

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reseg:

I don't want to record anything, I'm only interested in watching live television

[17:01:50]

wagnerrp:

the question still stands

[17:02:00]

wagnerrp:

the source

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wagnerrp:

what is the source of your content

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reseg:

oh, HDTV content. sorry, I'm very illiterate when it comes to the lingo. The HDTV content that any normal HDTV captures

[17:03:35]

wagnerrp:

you use roadrunner... does that mean you also have TW cable? are you wanting to watch broadcast tv? are you wanting to watch analog cable? are you wanting to watch digital cable?

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reseg:

I don't have TW cable. I'm wanting to watch the broadcast HDTV that's on the the free airwaves

[17:05:03]

wagnerrp:

then things are easy

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reseg:

well thank heavens for that. So what device do I need?

[17:05:21]

wagnerrp:

go to linuxtv.org, purchase any of the cards they have listed support for ATSC

[17:05:32]

reseg:

will do, thanks.

[17:06:59]

NightMonkey:

Once again: Blender Defender. Defending You In the War on Housecats: http://www.plasma2002.com/blenderdefender/

[17:07:07]

NightMonkey:

And I'm out. Thanks, Leo!

[17:07:17]

NightMonkey:

Have a good day, all.

[17:08:52]

NightMonkey:

Ah, sorry. Wrong channel. :(

[17:08:58]

wagnerrp:

indeed...

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NightMonkey:

OK, something on-topic now.... I'm going to try to patch 0.23 branch trunk with the removed PVR-350 support. Anyone already done this successfully?

[17:14:10]

[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you want to put the PVR-350 hardware decode support back in?

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yeah. My FE/BE SD setup has a poor GF4 MX Svideo output, so I'd like to try to keep the PVR-350 in service for as long as I can.

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reseg:

wagnerrp, sorry for the bother – but I'm finding the layout of http://linuxtv.org/ to be a bit confusing, could you please refer me to a more specific URL on what you were saying?

[17:17:27]

wagnerrp:

the 350 looks better than the GF4?

[17:17:29]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I have Dish and an SD Dish Reciever, and haven't started down the HD money trap yet, so...

[17:17:40]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yep.

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wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XV_on_PVR-350

[17:18:57]

NightMonkey:

The Shuttle used as my FE/BE has only one PCI slot, so can't really give myself too many other options without getting a new box.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yes?

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wagnerrp:

follow that page, use the 350 as a standard video card

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slayven:

reseg: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices

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reseg:

thanks.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I do already. That page is part of what I used to make it work way back when.

[17:22:46]

wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: then you have no problem

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NightMonkey:

Hrm.

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wagnerrp:

it will continue working as expected

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NightMonkey:

Huh. Well, that's interesting.

[17:23:28]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I'll give it a shot, then, and see what b0rks. ;)

[17:23:39]

wagnerrp:

the special hardware decoding support was removed

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wagnerrp:

as it was as much useless as old, unmaintained, and probably disrepair

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yeah, okay, this solves some other mysteries. I have .22, and I noticed that xmame, and video playback (of .mp4 videos), had no problems in playback.

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wagnerrp:

at that point, its just another video card

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot tell the difference between that and your MX

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Which, I'd expect if the decoder was important, would mean that playback would be jittery and frame-droppy.

[17:25:34]

wagnerrp:

the decoder is only capable of decoding video in the format the card produces

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** NightMonkey smacks head. **

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wagnerrp:

which means mpeg2 video at relatively low bitrates

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wagnerrp:

video that any mid-high end P3 can manage just fine in software

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wagnerrp:

which is why the decoder is effectively useless

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: If that P3 isn't doing too much other stuff, tho.

[17:27:10]

wagnerrp:

any worthwhile PC produced in the last decade can play back PVR recordings

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: But that's beside your point. :)

[17:27:17]

wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: what else would it be doing

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wagnerrp:

youve got a hardware encoder for video

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wagnerrp:

and any commflagging would be 'niced' so as not to interfere with anything

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Disk IO, MySQL, Apache/MythWeb/FFMPEG streaming, Cacti, Nagios, etc.

[17:28:25]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yah, but that said, I don't really have a problem with contention now (except on rare occasion).

[17:28:38]

wagnerrp:

diskio, cacti, nagios, all that other stuff should be fairly trivial on CPU

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wagnerrp:

mysql is only going to be a problem during scheduling runs

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: And I just bumped the proc from an Athlon XP 1600 to 2800.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: And bumped RAM from 1GB to 2GB. It's now a happy box (for SD, at least).

[17:29:30]

wagnerrp:

hopefully one you had laying around, or otherwise got very cheaply

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yep, it is actually an Athlon MP that I had in a "dual-CPU" mobo that I retired.

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wagnerrp:

youve really limited yourself for upgradability buy purchasing that shuttle

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I'm not too unhapppy about that. 6 years of service.

[17:32:58]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: 6 years of MythTV Happiness and Freedom (tm).

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: So not too limited. ;)

[17:33:36]

wagnerrp:

i mean you cant just go out and buy new parts for it

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wagnerrp:

youre pretty much limited to that motherboard

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Well, I did just get some RAM.

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wagnerrp:

and whatever you can fit in the non-standard case

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yes. Limits sometimes aren't bad. It means I didn't overspend for TV.

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: 1.2 TB of media storage isn't bad, either.

[17:35:13]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I'm not unhappy.

[17:35:40]

wagnerrp:

i mean you could pick up guts for a new fe/be for ~$180, or an Atom based one for ~$140

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I'll just re-spec a box for HDTV, whenever I get pushed too far into a corner to keep going SD.

[17:37:00]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: That's going to be a part of a larger money outlay, for a new TV, new Dish reciever, new Dish subscription, etc.

[17:37:34]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I'm also looking at projectors, like the Epson EX50, and forgetting about a dedicated "TV".

[17:41:41]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Plus, I don't like to just toss useful electronics, but that's a personal inclination not to create more landfill than I have to.

[17:41:54]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I don't always win that battle, tho. ;)

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wagnerrp:

that depends on the definition of useful

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: And your capabilities to figure out how to make it useful. ;)

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, ive never just trashed a piece of computer hardware

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wagnerrp:

everything just goes in a box in the closet, until every couple years i hear about someone doing a pickup for proper recycling and disposal

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Yeah, it's hard to know if the electronics recyclers are being honest.

[17:45:41]

NightMonkey:

That 60 Minutes story last year on lying recyclers was sad.

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression they came out ahead after precious metal recovery

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wagnerrp:

ive never been one to trust anything 60min has to say

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NightMonkey:

Ok.

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AndyCap:

I guess if recycling was profitable they would be buying trash.

[17:47:51]

wagnerrp:

well theyre taking it for free

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason for them to bother unless theyre making money somehow

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, here they get paid on the frontend. i.e. a fee on sales of new electronics

[17:49:38]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: and they were whining about there being too much e-waste. tough cookies, next time read the contract.

[17:49:56]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: It's more the shipping to China and children in mercury-filled puddles and breathing toxic smoke, while denying that they ship overseas, that I'm concerned with.

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awalls:

I'm waiting for an antiquities collector to pay me for my EISA 486DX-33 system.

[17:50:33]

AndyCap:

of course Gui-yu finds a way to make it profitable

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AndyCap:

relatively speaking.

[17:51:09]

AndyCap:

like bangladesh for old ships

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AndyCap:

healthy or safe? no

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sid3windr:

eisa <3

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sid3windr:

=)

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NightMonkey:

Yes, will a 486 ever be on Antiques Roadshow? :)

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AndyCap:

awalls: yeah, do you have the configuration floppy?

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awalls:

Yes, EISA, with a BusLogic EISA SCSI controller.

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awalls:

AndyCap: Yes!

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sid3windr:

:-)

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awalls:

It's a Mylex Mobo IIRC.

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sid3windr:

mm

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wagnerrp:

does it still hold data?

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sid3windr:

my 286 will be worth way more than your stupid 486!

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awalls:

AN 80 MB hard drive.

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AndyCap:

ah, a brand name motherboard.

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wagnerrp:

(the floppy)

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awalls:

I haven't check the CMOS battery though

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AndyCap:

was reading some old magazines and most of the computers was no-name crap

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wagnerrp:

ive never found floppies to last more than a couple years

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sid3windr:

General failure reading drive A:

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NightMonkey:

Yes, having a 486 is just showing off. 286 all the way.

[17:53:34]

awalls:

sidewinder: hmmm '286.

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sid3windr:

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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AndyCap:

i.e. the motherboard manufacturers didn't have any marketing clout

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NightMonkey:

General Failure, reporting for duty.

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** sid3windr had a lot of DTK PCs **

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sid3windr:

and compaq of course

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sid3windr:

back when they didn't totally suck ;)

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awalls:

Abort vs. Fail: I used to know the difference once...

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NightMonkey:

Abort, Retry, Fail. You're talking about MY LIFE.

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NightMonkey:

So, anyone use an Epson EX50 as their HDTV?

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[R]:

isn't epson a printer manufacturer?

[17:58:27]

NightMonkey:

http://www.amazon.com/Epson-EX50-Multimedia-P . . . FRZHR5D3H1PA

[17:58:30]

wagnerrp:

so apparently three teenagers were hit by a train and killed in melbourne florida... natural selection hard at work?

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AndyCap:

[R]: no, they make pc gui operating systems

[17:58:47]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: i think it was the train that did most of the work

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[R]:

isn't melboourne in australlia?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what were they doing?

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NightMonkey:

[R]: Indeed. This is an interesting short-throw lens projector.

[17:59:12]

wagnerrp:

walking across a train bridge

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** AndyCap loves his Benq W5000 **

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wagnerrp:

they shouldnt have even been on the bridge... if they were looking for a shortcut, US1 and a sidewalk were just a block away

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wagnerrp:

and besides, theyre in florida

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wagnerrp:

there is no where high in florida

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NightMonkey:

AndyCap: Ooh, mega $$$.

[18:00:10]

wagnerrp:

they had the choice of getting hit by a train, or jumping 15ft into a river

[18:00:18]

wagnerrp:

they chose to get hit by a train

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[R]:

FFS

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NightMonkey:

AndyCap: The Epson EX50 is around $750.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: looks like the date isn't gonna be until 6ish

[18:00:58]

[R]:

wagnerrp: so no on that blue hair special

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AndyCap:

NightMonkey: around 2000$ I think

[18:02:02]

jolaren:

I really can't wait for my computer to arrive from the postal office

[18:02:04]

NightMonkey:

AndyCap: $2899 @ Amazon.

[18:02:11]

NightMonkey:

AndyCap: Too rich for my wallet.

[18:02:22]

[R]:

jolaren: the post office sells computers now?

[18:02:48]

jolaren:

[R], No, the deliver ;)

[18:02:51]

jolaren:

they'

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

who ships a computer by post

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jolaren:

a lot of companies in sweden

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jolaren:

:- )

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[R]:

crazy europeans

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jolaren:

yer

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jolaren:

we're totally out of our minds

[18:03:59]

jolaren:

i'll get the computer to my door

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jolaren:

instead of havin to go out and carry it

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[R]:

huh?

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[R]:

in the US you can get a computer UPS or FEDEX'd to you

[18:05:06]

jolaren:

the swedish postal office does that in some cases

[18:05:22]

jolaren:

sure you could use services such as fedex but the postal service does that by default in some cases

[18:06:32]

NightMonkey:

Crazy... like a continent of foxes, crazy.

[18:06:55]

jolaren:

: )

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jolaren:

I'm in to exotic girls thought

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[R]:

the post office ships exotic girls too?

[18:08:29]

NightMonkey:

What do they think about?

[18:08:38]

jolaren:

russianpostorderwifes.com ?

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[R]:

haha

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NightMonkey:

Probably about really off-the-wall, rare, and exotic things, I'm guessing?

[18:08:56]

jolaren:

not exotic tho ;)

[18:09:04]

jolaren:

Haha

[18:09:10]

jolaren:

I'm into persian/arabic girls ;)

[18:09:47]

jolaren:

You can order the strangest things from the web

[18:10:19]

jolaren:

There are websites which you can marry via online

[18:10:29]

NightMonkey:

No, really?

[18:10:45]

jolaren:

Yeah.. I've seen a few Thai websites with condone the idea

[18:11:24]

[R]:

omg

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[R]:

there is this one website

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** [R] tries to find it **

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jolaren:

haha

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jolaren:

Do you guys have tips on strange websites which you can buy cheap electronics etc?

[18:12:22]

jolaren:

with free shipping

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[R]:

http://www.marryourdaughter.com/

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[R]:

bastards

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[R]:

the site is gone

[18:12:32]

[R]:

it was the funniest thing ever

[18:12:37]

jolaren:

haha

[18:12:41]

[R]:

jolaren: dealextreme.com

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[R]:

it was all fake... and it had testimonials... and bios on like girls who their parents wanted to marry off

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[R]:

for money

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jolaren:

I order all my stuffs from dealextreme [R]

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[R]:

and the testimonials would talk about how lazy the daguhter was and what they did with the money

[18:13:15]

jolaren:

thought if you knew any other sites

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[R]:

meritline.com

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[R]:

but its not as cheap

[18:13:31]

[R]:

standard prcies for some stuff

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NightMonkey:

jolaren: Strange? http://www.weirdstuff.com/

[18:13:33]

jolaren:

i see

[18:13:49]

jolaren:

I had a great site which sold dreamboxes etc from china but i cant remember the adress

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[R]:

i just got some gamecube memory cards from ebay

[18:14:06]

[R]:

for like $2

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[R]:

i was willing to pay a little extra to have it ship from the US

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wagnerrp:

+$5 S/H

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[R]:

but they were all from china

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jolaren:

haha

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[R]:

wagnerrp: nah it was like $3 total with sipping

[18:15:07]

jolaren:

I might move to the US in a few months :- )

[18:15:16]

[R]:

its the best place to be

[18:15:17]

[R]:

:)

[18:15:32]

[R]:

aren't they socialist in sweeden?

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jolaren:

I like the US but I do have some problems with it's politics ^^

[18:15:46]

jolaren:

Kinda [R]

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[R]:

jolaren: everyone does

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[R]:

thats the point

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AndyCap:

jolaren: half of the people living there have. :P

[18:16:18]

jolaren:

I hate the class differences ..

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[R]:

jolaren: in sweeden?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: i'd say its a lot more than half

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jolaren:

in the US

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[R]:

jolaren: what do you mean specifically?

[18:16:45]

jolaren:

There's people who are soo poor.. and people who are sooo rich

[18:16:51]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: hehe. yeah. :)

[18:16:53]

jolaren:

and health care isn't free

[18:16:55]

AndyCap:

jolaren: http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=590524&hl=

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[R]:

jolaren: but there are tons of middle class

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jolaren:

sure but there's also a ton whose poor

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AndyCap:

jolaren: health care isn't free here either. everyone pays and there's constant bickering about what to cut.

[18:17:39]

jolaren:

and even they helped to finance the war on iraq

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[R]:

jolaren: does sweeden have "free" healthcare? isn't that just paid for by taxes?

[18:17:56]

jolaren:

healthcare in sweden is paid by taxes

[18:18:01]

wagnerrp:

ding ding...

[18:18:01]

[R]:

then its not really free

[18:18:13]

wagnerrp:

its just like health care over here, but spread out over a much larger pool

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jolaren:

it's not really free.. but if your out of a job etc.. you can still go to the hospital for free [R]

[18:18:23]

wagnerrp:

so its cheaper for some people

[18:18:30]

NightMonkey:

Sweden cuts out the useless middle-man.

[18:18:32]

wagnerrp:

but in the end, everyone gets screwed

[18:18:59]

[R]:

i once had to go to the ER

[18:19:03]

[R]:

had full insurance

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[R]:

still wound up costing $100

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[R]:

luckily it was a work injury... so they paid for it

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jolaren:

I've been to the hospitals alot of times

[18:19:28]

jolaren:

never paid a dime (in cash that is) except for taxes

[18:19:36]

jolaren:

But I gladly pay taxes so people aren't starving

[18:19:49]

NightMonkey:

Why do I need to be taxed by health insurance companies, when I can be taxed by the tax experts?

[18:19:54]

wagnerrp:

jolaren: was there actually a reason to go to the hospital? or was it just because it was free?

[18:20:11]

jolaren:

I just go when I need to wagnerrp.. I hate hospitals

[18:20:29]

jolaren:

:P

[18:20:33]

wagnerrp:

i mean as opposed to a doctor or clinic

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wagnerrp:

was there an actual need to go to the emergency room

[18:20:57]

jolaren:

Yeah.. I've gone to the doctor alot of times for my ADD

[18:21:03]

jolaren:

and the taxes pay my medicine

[18:21:06]

jolaren:

so I don't need to pay for it

[18:21:15]

jolaren:

that's also great

[18:21:21]

jolaren:

I wouldn't afford my medicines with my saluary

[18:21:25]

jolaren:

I'm a kindergarten teacher

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wagnerrp:

they cant refuse ER service over here

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[R]:

but they also will kick you out

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[R]:

once you are stable

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wagnerrp:

so people use it for every scrape and cut, when they really have no business being there

[18:21:51]

wagnerrp:

and skip out without paying

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wagnerrp:

which is why they charge you so much for ER over here

[18:22:16]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: So we in the US pay for that, anyway. But a lot of overhead charges are tacked on...

[18:23:00]

jolaren:

isn't Obama pro free healthcare?

[18:23:40]

AndyCap:

jolaren: a long way from obama to an actual reform. lots of pork inbetween.

[18:23:50]

jolaren:

i reckon

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NightMonkey:

jolaren: Obama isn't pro or con anything, at present. That's part of the problem.

[18:24:14]

jolaren:

I'm so pissed that Obama got the Nobel peace price

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wagnerrp:

free health care wont do a damn thing

[18:24:37]

wagnerrp:

its just going to shift things around into government control, which history has shown causes tons of overhead

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY way to fix things is to get rid of punitive damages in malpractice suits

[18:25:09]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Who says we can have free health care? We can't. It's more about how we pay for it, and if someone gets a profit cut for moving paper.

[18:25:35]

jolaren:

I've been offered a job in the US so I might go and stay there for a year or so :-). I miss the US (used to live there as a child/pre-teen)

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wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: yes, so you want to move the paper pushes into government positions?

[18:26:00]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Where it's cheaper, and not so profit-hungry, yes.

[18:26:08]

wagnerrp:

thats the thing, its not cheaper

[18:26:29]

wagnerrp:

'profit-hungry' drives efficiency

[18:27:10]

wagnerrp:

government work is all about producing more jobs, to keep people happy and voting for you

[18:27:10]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Some things don't need to be efficient. Efficiency (in getting profits) is what keeps 50 million+ without health insurance.

[18:27:14]

jolaren:

I believe It's extremly hard to change the way the system works

[18:27:31]

jolaren:

It's been like this since forever in Sweden, that's why It works so well

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Brad-D:

does anyone know if it possible to group your recordings into movies vs. tv series. My recordings area is getting a little unruly!

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: when you schedule them, yes

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wagnerrp:

you can create recording groups to filter by

[18:29:03]

Brad-D:

oh really? Nice! I will check into that

[18:29:28]

Brad-D:

is there anyway to create these groups after the fact? With a db edit perhaps?

[18:29:42]

wagnerrp:

that? i dont know off hand

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flyback:

so

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flyback:

p3 1.0 ghz 512mb ram pvr250 card

[18:31:00]

jolaren:

?

[18:31:03]

flyback:

actually might skip the pvr250 because the one stb in the house has firewire

[18:31:15]

flyback:

can that run myth ok? at least just backend to get a show to disk

[18:31:23]

wagnerrp:

flyback: dont bet on it

[18:31:32]

flyback:

wagnerrp, don't bet on what

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wagnerrp:

if youre using firewire, youre using digital

[18:31:45]

flyback:

correct

[18:31:55]

flyback:

means very little cpu needed

[18:32:00]

wagnerrp:

which means youre getting the video feed at whatever resolution and bitrate your cableco hands out

[18:32:06]

flyback:

pvr250 is a analog tv tuner card with a mpeg-2 hardware compressor

[18:32:10]

wagnerrp:

and a p3 just wont cut it for anything HD

[18:32:16]

flyback:

wagnerrp, recording

[18:32:17]

flyback:

not playback

[18:32:28]

wagnerrp:

as a backend? sure, should work fine

[18:32:45]

flyback:

i can work around the playback issues :P

[18:32:57]

flyback:

I just need something always there 24/7 to capture a show

[18:33:04]

flyback:

if I have to ftp to another box to watch it that's fine

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wagnerrp:

and i wouldnt count on using firewire over the 250 either, its likely much of what you want to record will be encrypted over firewire

[18:33:28]

flyback:

standard shows

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wagnerrp:

is this the only machine running linux?

[18:33:37]

flyback:

not ondemand or pay per view etc

[18:33:47]

flyback:

nothing is running linux right now except this desktop

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jolaren:

I need to get 2 more frontends, one hd capable and one only sd capable.. should I just go with a motherboard and a 1gb stick on each?

[18:33:57]

wagnerrp:

flyback: doesnt matter, the cableco is not required to provide anything unencrypted over firewire

[18:34:00]

wagnerrp:

so often times they dont

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flyback:

I just have this p3 1.0 ghz I can't do that much with because intel was sucking off rambus and it has a hard limited chipset to512mb ram

[18:34:38]

keith4_:

might be okay, as long as you don't want to do commflagging

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wagnerrp:

you can run mythfrontend under windows, but its not well supported

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flyback:

commflagging?

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flyback:

the stb runs linux btw

[18:34:58]

flyback:

some new company comcast uses

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keith4_:

commercial flagging

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flyback:

rti or something

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wagnerrp:

other than that, theres no reason to run FTP, as you can just use samba

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flyback:

wagnerrp, I know I was just making a point

[18:35:36]

flyback:

all I need is the "realtime" aspect of getting the show saved

[18:35:41]

flyback:

the rest I can figure out myself :P

[18:35:46]

Brad-D:

if anyone is interested, you can change the recording group after the fact, using the info menus in the recording window. Thanks wagnerrp

[18:35:54]

jolaren:

i dont recomend running myth on windows.. my 'strong' computer couldn't even handle HD

[18:36:04]

flyback:

jolaren, it would run linux of course

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: what is 'strong', and what codec?

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flyback:

that's not even a option :P

[18:36:17]

wagnerrp:

flyback: he means the frontend

[18:36:22]

flyback:

oh hmm

[18:36:23]

flyback:

that sucks

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jolaren:

wagnerrp, 3.6 ghz p4 2048 ram 2x nvidia 5900GS etc

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jolaren:

dun remember

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flyback:

jolaren, btw

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wagnerrp:

eew... prescotts

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flyback:

keep those video cards as cool as possibly

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flyback:

and try to miminize the heating and cooling cycles

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flyback:

I think that chipset might be on the list of defective nvidia chips

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jolaren:

yeah sure

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jolaren:

works fine with linux

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flyback:

and it's related to a poor sourced material in the ic packaging

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flyback:

which leads to cracking

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flyback:

best defense is to minimize the heating and cooling gradulant

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wagnerrp:

gradient?

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flyback:

sorry

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jolaren:

I have no intrest whatsoever to use mythtv on windows seein as how I think it's insufficent (for my useage) that is

[18:38:48]

flyback:

bad headache I been in the hospital monday-friday

[18:38:51]

flyback:

salmonella

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wagnerrp:

i thought the issue was with 8-series boards, and primarily with laptop chips

[18:39:01]

flyback:

brain is still a little cooked

[18:39:12]

flyback:

wagnerrp, yeah but I think some 7's and stuff were affected

[18:39:17]

flyback:

been a while since I read the article

[18:39:43]

flyback:

it affects desktop and onboard ones as well

[18:39:51]

flyback:

it's just way worse in laptops because of thermal cycling

[18:40:15]

flyback:

basically the dipshits at nvidia choose a potting material that starts to soften and fail around 60c

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flyback:

they chose this material like 5+ yrs *AFTER* their gpu's routinely went over that temp

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flyback:

FAIL

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jolaren:

Back to my original question.. what is needed for a very cheap frontend.. one hd capable and one regular sd

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wagnerrp:

shoot for a dual core amd, onboard nvidia graphics, and at lest 1GB of memory

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wagnerrp:

HD/SD makes no difference, because youre going to have to decode the same video regardless

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jolaren:

ok ok, i'll make a package now and see where it lands cost-wise

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wagnerrp:

the SD machine is actually going to be more expensive

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jamesd2:

the difference if you are buying new hardware isn't worth anysavings... $5 saving on the cpu isn't worth it.

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jolaren:

i understand that

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jolaren:

i just want to know if i can afford a frontend atm

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jolaren:

^ ^

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wagnerrp:

since you cannot purchase a motherboard with onboard analog tv out any longer

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wagnerrp:

youll have to pick up discrete graphics for that, or go with a scan converter

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wagnerrp:

you also may opt for an ION instead of an AMD system

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jolaren:

might just buy a dreambox copy

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wagnerrp:

the ION will end up costing less, but will be vastly less powerful

[18:52:14]

wagnerrp:

dreambox copy?

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jolaren:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

do those do UPnP now or something?

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jolaren:

don't they?

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AndyCap:

if they do they're not going to be very good at it and probably horribly expensive.

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jolaren:

wagnerrp, what about Asus AT3N7A-I (with integrated cpu and graphical card) then a 1024mb ram stick

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jolaren:

still hits like 250 usd

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wagnerrp:

for the same price, you can pick up a worthwhile board and processor

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, the only thing ION gets you is small size

[18:58:22]

wagnerrp:

since mini-itx AM2/775 boards are not common and not cheap

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jolaren:

so im wondering

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wagnerrp:

but an nvidia microatx board and a dual core athlon will run about the same price as that nvidia board

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wagnerrp:

the only way you get a cheaper ION is to buy one of the single core units

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wagnerrp:

and i refuse to recommend a single core processor for any purpose

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jolaren:

I see

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jolaren:

My computer haven't been shipped yet (:()

[19:07:55]

jolaren:

I'm hopin It will get here tomorrow

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jolaren:

wagnerrp, seems I'll just buy a ion asrock 330.. will probarbly be even cheaper

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wagnerrp:

the cheapest of those ive ever seen are ~$350

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jolaren:

323 usd

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jolaren:

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?e=513795

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jolaren:

and it even includes a hdd

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Beirdo:

mmm, vodka

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jolaren:

ill just redo this at a later time

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jolaren:

no time to check now

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Beirdo:

OMG, there are some retards that live near here

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Beirdo:

driving down a road with a speed limit of 25mph... at about 40–50... with their flatulant exhaust systems

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wagnerrp:

is it a meaningful 25?

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Beirdo:

makes me want to invest in a spike strip with remote control

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Beirdo:

yeah, houses everywhere, kids that play at the edge of the road...

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wagnerrp:

ok

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wagnerrp:

because i go 45–55 along some 25mph road at home

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jolaren:

Asus Pundit P4-P5N9300, Corsair XMS2 Xtreme DDR2 2gig, Intel Pentium Dual-Core E6300 2,8GHz Socket 775 Box

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jolaren:

that would be cheaper

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wagnerrp:

but its four lane

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Beirdo:

makes me feel like being a stereotypical old fart... and shaking my fist at em

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wagnerrp:

without a lot of houses

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Beirdo:

ahh, this is a narrow 2-lane

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Brad-D:

in my parking garage we have a speed limit of 10kph (about 6mph).. it's insane! if you actually when at 6mph, you would never get out of the garage, haha

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wagnerrp:

and my parents would have slapped me when i was young for playing in that road

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wagnerrp:

residential, i can agree with

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Beirdo:

yeah, parents here are retarded.

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wagnerrp:

but the one im talking about has no business being that restricted

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Beirdo:

I wouldn't let kids play tre

[19:52:33]

Beirdo:

there rather

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abqjp:

Is there an easy/accurate way to determine why a show is in a "Conflicting" state? Pressing select on the show in the Upcomming list, displays a couple of other recordings on at the same time, but they are not on the same source id — so are not the actual reason for the conflict.

[19:53:12]

wagnerrp:

the problem is the cops around here cant even stay in their lane at 30

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wagnerrp:

so it must be a dangerous road

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Beirdo:

heh.

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wagnerrp:

of course the cops around here cant stay in their lane on straight sections of the avenue

[19:54:40]

Beirdo:

the cops must be drunk

[19:54:50]

wagnerrp:

theyre absolutely pathetic drivers, or just dont care

[19:54:55]

wagnerrp:

i dont know which is worse

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Beirdo:

some are meatheads that shouldn't have any power at all too

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Beirdo:

at least here

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wagnerrp:

my dad and i have both been nabbed for running green lights

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jolaren:

why would you run on green lights?

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wagnerrp:

'no officer, the light was green... you were off one some side street and just couldnt see that'

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: because youre supposed to?

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jolaren:

oh

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jolaren:

thought you meant red

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wagnerrp:

so did the cop

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Beirdo:

hehehe

[19:57:53]

Beirdo:

"Officer, what shade of green am I supposed to go on?"

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wagnerrp:

youre supposed to go on kelly, that was definately forest

[19:58:57]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

mint means stop

[19:59:27]

Beirdo:

asking the cop if he's color blind might be amusing, but probably not a smart plan

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Brad-D:

haha

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Brad-D:

so i feel like the dumb guy who's late to the party... but damn user jobs are cool!

[20:00:42]

wagnerrp:

one of them tried to give my sister a reckless op for tailgaiting, speeding, cutting someone off, and changing lanes without signalling

[20:01:17]

Beirdo:

well, if she WAS doing all that, maybe she deserves reckless :)

[20:01:27]

Beirdo:

or maybe they just wanted a date

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wagnerrp:

she was a good 15 feet behind the motorcycle in front of her, 20ft ahead of the prius she changed lanes to pass, used her signal, and never exceeded 35

[20:01:47]

Beirdo:

they wanted a date :)

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wagnerrp:

the cop was just pissed because the prius was an idiot who never made it past 20mph, and still hit the breaks when my sister passed them

[20:02:21]

wagnerrp:

(cop was behind the prius)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[20:02:49]

wagnerrp:

it was a female cop... but you never know

[20:02:53]

Beirdo:

the cop was probably tailgating the prius

[20:03:07]

Beirdo:

I intentionally slow down if people tailgate me

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wagnerrp:

i would do if they were going 20 in a 35

[20:03:31]

Beirdo:

yeah, well, I'd be doing 35 :)

[20:03:46]

Beirdo:

at first anyways... but you ride my ass, I will soon be doing 20

[20:04:02]

Beirdo:

people here (Puerto Rico) like to tailgate

[20:04:13]

Beirdo:

it pisses me off :)

[20:04:19]

wagnerrp:

ill ride your ass if i cant pass you, and youre not going at least the speed limit

[20:04:40]

Beirdo:

yeah well... then back off so you can pass when it's safe, and all is good

[20:05:00]

Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

if i can pass at all, i wont tailgate

[20:05:14]

Beirdo:

I've been rear-ended by idiots who follow too closely

[20:05:20]

wagnerrp:

even if i cant do so at that moment because of oncoming traffic

[20:05:30]

Beirdo:

because I had to emergency brake due to potholes, etc

[20:05:32]

Beirdo:

WHAM

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Beirdo:

idiots

[20:06:02]

Beirdo:

but yeah, I do the limit or slightly above generally :)

[20:06:03]

wagnerrp:

this is behavior learned from another road near my house

[20:06:20]

wagnerrp:

fairly straight, four lane, 35mph road that people would go 30mph on side by side

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Beirdo:

Oooh, that's sucky

[20:06:38]

wagnerrp:

now its a VERY wide 2-lane plus turn

[20:06:41]

wagnerrp:

and people go 25

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Beirdo:

what gets me... on the freeway with a limit of 65...

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wagnerrp:

so you get ten cars stacked up behind some putz in front, because theres no passing

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Beirdo:

the fucktards doing 45 in the left lane

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wagnerrp:

i mean these are like 15-ft lanes, you can practically get two cars side by side on them

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Beirdo:

you can get a ticket for not doing AT LEAST the limit in the left lane here

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Beirdo:

and a ticket for doing OVER the limit

[20:08:16]

Beirdo:

and one for 20+ UNDER the limit

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so those tards are due at least 2 tickets.

[20:08:59]

Beirdo:

makes me wanna drive a beat-up hummer

[20:09:15]

Beirdo:

yer doing the limit NOW, buttwad! :)

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wagnerrp:

whats really fun is the highway ramps with very large shoulders, and the people who decide they want to drive on that instead of the lane

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

so you take that to mean theyre letting you pass, and you do so

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GrahamIRC:

Hi! I wonder if any kind souls here could help me with a problem I have with playback of some vob files using the internal Mythtv player?

[20:11:07]

Beirdo:

oh NO

[20:11:13]

Beirdo:

someone wants to be on topic?

[20:11:15]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:11:25]

wagnerrp:

GrahamIRC: mythvideo? is this with storage groups?

[20:11:50]

GrahamIRC:

The problem I have is that some files show the incorrect play back length, now I understand that this is a problem with incorrect frame rate in the container file

[20:12:13]

GrahamIRC:

and that I could run it through mencoder or ffmpeg to potentially correct this

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GrahamIRC:

but doing that seems to lose the alternate audio tracks and all the subtitles (I guess it's coming out as an AVI?)

[20:12:57]

jolaren:

Anyone managed to run mythtv on a popcorn hour?

[20:13:15]

GrahamIRC:

is there anywhere to correct the length without re-encoding and without losing audio/subtitle tracks?

[20:13:24]

rooter7:

Commercial-skip is completely wrong all the time these days.

[20:13:33]

GrahamIRC:

lol, sorry Beirdo to take things on topic!

[20:13:39]

rooter7:

Anyone else have this problem?

[20:13:44]

Beirdo:

GrahamIRC: not a problem :)

[20:14:22]

GrahamIRC:

this run-length error also seems to be popping up a lot on recorded programs now too since updating to 0.22 – tis very frustrating!

[20:14:31]

rooter7:

I've run myisamchk /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/recordedmarkup.MYI and re-scanned, but no improvement.

[20:14:39]

GrahamIRC:

oddly, with recorded programs it's always the same channels that are affected!

[20:15:02]

Beirdo:

GrahamIRC: what kind of recording methodology?

[20:15:20]

GrahamIRC:

sorry, what do you mean?

[20:15:31]

Beirdo:

what kind of capture card, etc

[20:15:32]

GrahamIRC:

I'm using a PVR-150 to record of a satellite box

[20:15:44]

GrahamIRC:

never had any probs before 0.22

[20:15:44]

Beirdo:

OK, so analog -> MPEG2

[20:15:48]

GrahamIRC:

yes

[20:15:50]

Beirdo:

K.

[20:16:06]

Beirdo:

I was thinking if that were digital, it might just be bad encoding

[20:16:15]

GrahamIRC:

'tis very odd that it always affects the same channels though

[20:16:18]

Beirdo:

but I doubt ivtv cares what channel the video is from :)

[20:16:25]

GrahamIRC:

must be something there it's not liking

[20:16:41]

Beirdo:

could be, but I can't think of what...

[20:17:06]

Beirdo:

is this channel sports or something else that would normally require higher bitrates for good encoding?

[20:17:06]

GrahamIRC:

no, I agree, but nonetheless the channels that are affected are always affected whilst those that are not affected are never affected!

[20:17:20]

GrahamIRC:

nope

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

how odd

[20:17:41]

GrahamIRC:

and it should just be a composite signal as far as myth is concerned

[20:17:53]

GrahamIRC:

yes, it's very odd and driving me nuts! lol

[20:18:14]

Beirdo:

well, yeah, but if the card gives it crappy encoding if it can't do a good enough job...

[20:18:34]

Beirdo:

but if it's not something that's high motion, that shouldn't be the case

[20:19:10]

GrahamIRC:

doesn't seem to be affected by the programme material, just the channel it's recording from

[20:19:13]

Beirdo:

I remember recording hockey at too low a bitrate and having odd playback issues

[20:19:16]

Beirdo:

K

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GrahamIRC:

and as I say, never was a problem with 0.21

[20:19:33]

GrahamIRC:

I record all at the same bitrate

[20:19:42]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: any ideas what may be causing that?

[20:19:58]

Beirdo:

did you upgrade ivtv as well?

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GrahamIRC:

they playback fine, just wrong length reported and so they end prematurely

[20:20:10]

GrahamIRC:

everything upgraded

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GrahamIRC:

I use the ATRPMS repo

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Beirdo:

hmmm. great :) too many variabls :)

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GrahamIRC:

lol I know

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GrahamIRC:

I'm more bothered by the vob issue I described first

[20:20:54]

Beirdo:

not sure what could cause that.

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rooter7:

Is nayone having commercial-skip problems?

[20:21:12]

wagnerrp:

give me a second to catch up... was in the other channel

[20:21:14]

GrahamIRC:

really looking for something that will do the stream copy like ffmpeg without losing the subtitles and additional audio channels

[20:21:25]

wagnerrp:

rooter7: yes, mythcommflag has never been perfect

[20:21:35]

wagnerrp:

some shows do great, others, not so much

[20:21:37]

Beirdo:

hmm, maybe a demux/remux?

[20:21:48]

rooter7:

But lately it's been completely wrong all the time. Worse than nothing.

[20:22:04]

GrahamIRC:

not sure how to do that Beirdo – know of any links?

[20:22:08]

rooter7:

Used to work great.

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Beirdo:

errrm

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wagnerrp:

GrahamIRC: vob files? or recordings?

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Beirdo:

one sec

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GrahamIRC:

vob

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Beirdo:

maybe look at mplex?

[20:22:53]

Beirdo:

it's been a while for me since I was dealing with that

[20:23:00]

wagnerrp:

i dont know how much of that is actually handled by mythtv

[20:23:11]

wagnerrp:

and how much is handled by some 3rd party dvd library myth pulls in

[20:23:13]

GrahamIRC:

remux might be an idea as some internal player also selects wrong audio channel and there doesn't seem to be a way to override that so I end up using xine to play them back

[20:23:33]

GrahamIRC:

it's a shame the internal player wont allow you to select the audio/subtitle tracks on a command line

[20:23:34]

wagnerrp:

you can override the channel through the 'm' menu

[20:23:38]

wagnerrp:

but its a one time thing

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wagnerrp:

theres no default options

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GrahamIRC:

yes – not very g/f friendly tho lol

[20:24:13]

GrahamIRC:

which is why I end up using xine for those files – would rather not tho

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GrahamIRC:

thanks beirdo, I'll do some research on mplex

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wagnerrp:

you can try remultiplexing to some other container

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wagnerrp:

mkvtoolnix or mp4box

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GrahamIRC:

does anyone know if ffmpeg has the ability to keep all of the audio/subtitle channels or is it like mencoder and puts out avi?

[20:25:01]

wagnerrp:

or even tsmuxer

[20:25:02]

Beirdo:

cool

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[R]:

GrahamIRC: ffmpeg will do wahtever you tell it

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[R]:

its got half a million options

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Beirdo:

[R]: or try to

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[R]:

and codecs

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rooter7:

One of the main attractions of Myth is commercial-skip. Has anyone heard of a case where it is completely wrong, all the time? If not, how do I turn off all previous flagging in recorded shows?

[20:25:31]

GrahamIRC:

hmm that's half the problem! lol

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rooter7:

It's worse than nothing.

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Beirdo:

rooter7: it can be turned off

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[R]:

rooter7: disable it in the forntend

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[R]:

rooter7: are you in the US?

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GrahamIRC:

personally I've never bothered with commercial skip, I just use the forward button :-D

[20:26:13]

rooter7:

Sure I can turn off flagging, but how do I clear flags for recorded shows?

[20:26:21]

rooter7:

Yes, US.

[20:26:30]

wagnerrp:

rooter7: if its disabled, what does it matter?

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jolaren:

2gb ram and a asus AT3N7A-I would be very cheap

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rooter7:

Have 3 months of recoded shows.

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rooter7:

recorded

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wagnerrp:

but if its turned off, mythtv will just ignore the commflagging

[20:27:21]

wagnerrp:

like it never existed in the first place

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Beirdo:

just tell it not to honor the commflag

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rooter7:

Oh.

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rooter7:

Has anyone heard of a case where it's just so far off?

[20:28:21]

wagnerrp:

ive got plenty of recordings where it either adds a bunch of extra cuts inside the commercial breaks, or just outright fails

[20:28:25]

Beirdo:

it happens, I'm sure

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rooter7:

... choppping out chunks of the show and leaving commercials...

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GrahamIRC:

Sorry [R] – will ffmpeg output to vob or mkv or a container that supports multiple audio channels and subtitle tracks?

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rooter7:

all the time...

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wagnerrp:

if it bothers you, take a stab at fixing the algorithm

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[R]:

GrahamIRC: yuou'll have to check the ffmpeg docs to figure out what contianus your ffmpeg supports

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rooter7:

No idea where to start, much less what's wrong..

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GrahamIRC:

whatever you do you can bet the broadcasters are gonna try to slip the adds in without an algorithm noticing!

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[R]:

the comm flagger always fails for me with those "news at 9" commericals halfway through the commerical break

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wagnerrp:

GrahamIRC: does anything other than mythtv have automatic commercial detection?

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Beirdo:

And the stupid show ad overlays during the shows... blech

[20:30:13]

GrahamIRC:

I don't think so

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rooter7:

OBut it still does pretty good tho, doesn't it? Mine is completely off, all the time.

[20:30:29]

wagnerrp:

[R]: i dont get those during the break, but i do at the end

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rooter7:

... worse than nothing.

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Beirdo:

yeah, we heard ya, rooter7 :)

[20:31:02]

rooter7:

Sounds like I'm alone in this.

[20:31:31]

rooter7:

Alan N says he has this problem, but when he uses coreavc it works fine. How could that have any bearing?

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GrahamIRC:

I've noticed that the audio often breaks during the adds – I'm sure this anomoly could be used to make it more accurate

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt, at all

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wagnerrp:

nor would he be using coreavc with mythtv

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rooter7:

... says he is...

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** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the trout :) **

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rooter7:

?

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wagnerrp:

it can be done, but you have to do some non-trivial hacking to get it to work

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wagnerrp:

and that assuming youre using h264 content

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wagnerrp:

which you would only have if you were using an HDPVR

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rooter7:

Oh man...

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wagnerrp:

broadcast content wouldnt use it

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rooter7:

Using r5000 so h264.

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rooter7:

(Dish)

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rooter7:

Could this be an h264 problem?

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rooter7:

Not supported by Myth?

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rooter7:

My mpeg2 (OTA) flags just fine.

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rooter7:

60 Minutes is flawless.

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rooter7:

Is HDPVR content flagging badly, or fairly good?

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[R]:

works fine for me

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wagnerrp:

its just slow, as are most operations with the HDPVR

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rooter7:

Is HDPVR a program stream, or transport stream?

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wagnerrp:

ts

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rooter7:

pff...

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wagnerrp:

?

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rooter7:

blows my theory...

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rooter7:

Maybe it's something to do with the construct of a Dish ts specifically.

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rooter7:

... meses up timing markers or something. But this is radically wrong flagging.

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wagnerrp:

doubtful, since the commflagger is working on the decompressed frames

[20:39:39]

wagnerrp:

if it plays fine, it will flag fine

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rooter7:

schite.

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rooter7:

I guess I have to do without.

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rooter7:

I wonder if the flagged intervals are right, just shifted one direction or t'other by a significant amount?

[20:41:29]

wagnerrp:

this is a pretty ugly mess

[20:41:49]

wagnerrp:

he sets up a frameserver under WINE to pass to mythtv

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rooter7:

ack...

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wagnerrp:

hard to believe thats higher performance than using libavcodec directly

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GrahamIRC:

:-s

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rooter7:

y

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rooter7:

I'm too dumb to fix it tho.

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rooter7:

Maybe if I cntact him. Who writes mythcommflag?

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wagnerrp:

should be in the commit logs

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rooter7:

I could send him clips. Maybe he'd be intereted in investigating.

[20:45:02]

rooter7:

Thanks wagnerrp. Worth looking into.

[20:45:57]

wagnerrp:

if the decoder actually makes a difference in commflagging accuracy

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wagnerrp:

thats something you should bring to ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

but theyll probably say its very unlikely

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rooter7:

What is? Should I suggest a switch to ffmpeg or avcodec?

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg == libavcodec

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wagnerrp:

what version are you currently running?

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rooter7:

There doesn't seem to be a switch for version, but mythtv-fixes-0.22–23506 custom compiled.

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rooter7:

svn

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rooter7:

Been broken for months.

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wagnerrp:

hold off until 0.23

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wagnerrp:

the latest ffmpeg sync brought some huge improvements in h264 decoding

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rooter7:

I doubt they know there's a problem... and with so few of us.

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rooter7:

... if the problem is with h264.

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rooter7:

Anyway thanks wagnerrp

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GrahamIRC:

blimey 0.23 – is it due soon?

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GrahamIRC:

the forbiden question lol

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[R]:

well all the 0.23 bugs were pushed out to 0.24

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[R]:

in classic style

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GrahamIRC:

:-)

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GrahamIRC:

anyway, thanks for all the suggestions guys – it's late here so I'll save my research on ffmpeg and mkvtoolsnix until another night :-)

[21:00:13]

GrahamIRC:

oh, one last question if anyone knows – can I run the nuv files from recordings through ffmeg ok to correct the same incorrect length problem?

[21:04:24]

GrahamIRC:

no takers? OK, I guess I'll give it a go and see what happens :-)

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[R]:

what a novel idea...

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elmojo:

sphery: you still interested in a backtrace of the continuously running mythfilldatabase issue?

[21:39:10]

sphery:

elmojo: definitely

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sphery:

can you get one of the hung process vs the segfault of a manual run that was posted on the list

[21:39:43]

sphery:

(I think the segfault is the same one on some other ticket...)

[21:39:57]

sphery:

should probably respond to that thread to mention that

[21:42:26]

sphery:

ok, maybe not the same, but probably a similar (related) issue

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elmojo:

sphery: I need to recompile with debug symbols and wait till it happens again but I should be able to get one

[21:54:51]

elmojo:

it's on an Ubuntu 9.10 32-bit running 0.22-fixes

[21:55:15]

elmojo:

and to answer your question it's the hung process variety

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sphery:

elmojo: great... I'd love to fix that issue

[21:57:22]

elmojo:

so would my in-laws :)

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sphery:

heh

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jolaren:

Btw any tips on great lookin themes for the frontend?

[21:58:45]

elmojo:

sphery: it could be a day, a week or a month before it happens again

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: check the wiki

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jolaren:

yeah i have wondered bout others

[21:59:39]

sphery:

elmojo: since you'll be running long term, a profile build should be fine

[21:59:57]

sphery:

jolaren: should be some announcements on the lists for ones for the theming competition

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elmojo:

sphery: so compile-type=profile and not debug?

[22:00:09]

sphery:

(which may be updated past 0.22-fixes, though)

[22:00:20]

sphery:

elmojo: right... will give much better performance

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elmojo:

sphery: already compiled with profile and it was hung today :(

[22:05:06]

elmojo:

should have asked first but they didn't have any guide data

[22:05:57]

sphery:

heh... well, at least that means that it's not one of those bugs that doesn't exist in profile builds

[22:06:07]

elmojo:

very true

[22:06:46]

elmojo:

I'll keep an eye on it and ping you next time it happens to be 100% sure I get what you need

[22:07:47]

sphery:

just a normal thread backtrace should be good

[22:07:51]

sphery:

just want to see what it's doing

[22:08:02]

sphery:

I have a feeling it's socket-related issues

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jolaren:

I'm thinkin now that it would perhaps be easier to get a dreambox for the bedroom instead.. would be cheaper :P

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sphery:

Yeah, Myth isn't designed as a cheap DVR. IMHO, it's a luxury DVR.

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