Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 24th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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miffteevee:

(...also tried editing the default page 100 which initiates when toggling teletext on)

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jolaren:

frogonwheels, yeah.. looks like avenard has them

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jolaren:

their not included by mythbuntu

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jolaren:

cuz of conflicts

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jolaren:

1.85 driver suckasss

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Beirdo:

miffteevee: most of the developers are in North America, so no teletext to speak of

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Beirdo:

there are some in Europe though, but I'm not sure if it's ever been a priority :)

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miffteevee:

hehe, you're probably right :)

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miffteevee:

my girlfriend's hearing impaired so theres quite some WAF in getting this working

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Beirdo:

No doubt

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Beirdo:

I haven't the foggiest idea where to start looking for that

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Beirdo:

Nor could I test it if I could find it :)

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miffteevee:

I've messed around with the default "main-page"-value in NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp but the result is absent after compiling... and im clueless regarding what keywords to search for in the code :-/

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miffteevee:

hehe, oh well, thanks for replying anyway :)

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jolaren:

Laggy picture tho signal is good ;/ even running cpu-- atm

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miffteevee:

also, reading RFC's about VBI-formats during nighttime kinda kills the WAF in the long run

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I hear ya

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miffteevee:

;)

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wagnerrp:

i know mythtv supports some forms of VBI and closed captioning, but ive got no experience with any of them

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Beirdo:

no problemo. If you post something in the mailing list, you may be able to connect with someone in Europe with a clue... or at least non-US

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sphery:

My LOST (Enhanced Episodes) custom rule is working great! I love MythTV.

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wagnerrp:

i heard there were some issues (or maybe just lack of support) for EIA-708

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sphery:

re-records the episodes the 2nd time they air to get the enhanced (pop-up) versions to watch after watching the normal eps

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sphery:

EIA-708 in trunk should be much better than ever before

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sphery:

almost usable, even

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sphery:

in 0.22-fixes and below, not so much usable

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miffteevee:

Beirdo > thats gotta be the way to do it... i just tend to get stubborn, not quitting till it works, when a mail and some patience would've brought me results faster ;)

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wagnerrp:

there was also EIA-600something that did work

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** elmojo is getting tired of LOST creating more questions when all I want is answers! **

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Beirdo:

heh.

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wagnerrp:

the 700 is text based captions

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sphery:

EIA-608 works fine

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wagnerrp:

600 were image based

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sphery:

608 is still text, just from the analog standard (therefore, much older)

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miffteevee:

wagnerrp > EIA-708 in 0.22-fixes seems to work quite nice actually :) For me its a matter of getting in control of these nicely done EIA-708 modules through a HID of some sort ;)

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sphery:

also simpler

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Beirdo:

I remember when VBI was "why the heck would anyone want that?"

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sphery:

I can't stand to watch TV without captions enabled.

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Beirdo:

I've grown used to it too, surprisingly enough

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wagnerrp:

oh? i generally hate captions

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sphery:

Too many actors mumbling things and background noises louder than dialogue and ...

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sphery:

If you want to get /everything/ from the show, the captions are a must.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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miffteevee:

Beirdo > lol, it still is I think! ...but it serves a purpose still not properly handled in the DVB in my country

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Beirdo:

and often are a letdown as many of them are wrong

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sphery:

also, sometimes you'll see the "originally scripted" dialogue in captions and hear something modified (or totally different) in audio

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miffteevee:

spherry & Beirdo > they dont mumble, we just get older ;)

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elmojo:

sphery: agreed and the older I get the more dialog I miss.... even went to the doctor to get my hearing checked and was told I should use a hearing aid

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Beirdo:

heh, or they bleep it out in the audio but not in the captions :)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

elmojo: I probably should do the same, but I don't want to admit that might be my problem. :)

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Beirdo:

too much loud rock music would by my problem

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elmojo:

sphery: I want cause I was tired of my wife accusing me of not listening ;)

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Beirdo:

sorry, but Guns N Roses must be played as loud as possible

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elmojo:

now I have the audio tests in writing for my defense

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miffteevee:

welcome to "generation head-phones and later hearing-disabillities"...

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Beirdo:

elmojo: heh, that's a good motivator for sure

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jolaren:

how would i downgrade my v4l driver from 120 to 110?

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miffteevee:

Beirdo > especially when axl hits the high notes ;)

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Beirdo:

my car stereo (stock) won't go loud enough for me

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elmojo:

heh, apparently been a problem all my life and I was just used to it

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Beirdo:

heh. he's such a dweeb, but his whininess made that band... that and Slash's drunken guitar playing

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Beirdo:

yeah, we learn to adjust to our bodies' shortcomings.

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miffteevee:

Beirdo > plus axl's tights and his hairband... (and yes im an old fan too)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: sounds like you need a stereo that goes to 11

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: more like 17

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Beirdo:

hehe

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miffteevee:

(oh sh!t that came out the wrong way)

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Beirdo:

but yeah

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** wagnerrp wonders if Beirdo didnt get the reference **

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Beirdo:

I like loud music.

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Beirdo:

I did :)

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wagnerrp:

thats why you cant hear anything

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Beirdo:

but that's still not enough for me :)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: you don't hear good music, you feel good music!

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sphery:

now it has to be loud to hear it :)

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wagnerrp:

well for that, you just get a big bass

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Beirdo:

Van Halen is great loud too :)

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Beirdo:

and live.

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Beirdo:

:)

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kormoc:

bass isn't enough

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Beirdo:

it's a start though

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miffteevee:

I'll try posting in one of the forums in my quest for the mysterious VBIpageNr-value... Thanks for listening :)

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Beirdo:

no problem

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kormoc:

Macintosh monoblocks are a great start ;)

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wagnerrp:

the word 'Macintosh' immediately puts it out of my price range

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Beirdo:

unless it's an actual apple from a tree :)

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Beirdo:

that I can afford

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** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

'it features 3-dimensional glass and new cool-running, ultra long life, fiber optic LED lighting'

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wagnerrp:

wait... we can actually produce 2-dimensional materials?

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kormoc:

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/mcintosh . . . mplifier.asp

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Beirdo:

that reminds me

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kormoc:

I love the fact that the shipping weight for that single channel amp is 535 lbs

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Beirdo:

need to invest in new Sennheisers

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Beirdo:

my old ones died

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Beirdo:

after almost 20 years of service

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: they seem to run around $35k per channel, so for a nice 7.1... the low price of 280k!

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i had to pick up a new pair of Senn headphones earlier this year

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kormoc:

but anyway, znoozy time

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wagnerrp:

apparently one of the internal connections came lose, causing poor sound to the right side.... ended up damaging the hair-thin speaker coil trying to take it apart to fix it

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Beirdo:

mine had the right channel completely die

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Beirdo:

sounds similar :)

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wagnerrp:

well it did after i damaged that wire

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Beirdo:

so I put em in the trash

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Beirdo:

:(

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Beirdo:

but I'll get a new pair sometime soon

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wagnerrp:

i really need to find something that wont cause headphone hair

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Beirdo:

I have the solution...

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wagnerrp:

use speakers?

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Beirdo:

buzz your head :)

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wagnerrp:

heh

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Beirdo:

hehe, works for me

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Beirdo:

and to think that in 1997 I had hair almost to my waist

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wagnerrp:

did the wiki just drop offline?

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wagnerrp:

no, just temporarily stalled

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bonelifer:

taking drill bits to a case that usually costs 169–199(cost me 139) was scary. The holes for the fan speed potimeters went well. The one for the com port, was iffy at first, but it's in the back of the case and no one should be looking back there. :)

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Beirdo:

well, bed... I guess I get to compile... tomorrow ;)

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jolaren:

since mythbuntu doesn't do the trick for me .. what do you recomend? mythdora? mythgentoo? =)

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wagnerrp:

mythgentoo?

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wagnerrp:

such a thing exists?

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[R]:

lol

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bonelifer:

well people install MythTV on Gentoo. Thing is aren't Ubuntu and Gentoo both Debian based?

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[R]:

gentoo has ntohing to do with debian

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wagnerrp:

nor is there a pre-packaged gentoo build, that would necessitate a 'mythgentoo' name

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jolaren:

will try mythdora

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jolaren:

prob same issues are there tho

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wagnerrp:

the problem is?

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jolaren:

usb drops etc from the hauppage card

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wagnerrp:

hauppauge doesnt make a usb card

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cecil:

jolaren: which hauppauge usb tuner?

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jolaren:

it's a pci card but it emulates 2 usb ports

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jolaren:

it's the hauppage wintv nova-t 500

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wagnerrp:

funky...

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cecil:

whaaaa?

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** cecil knows users have used that tuner w/ KnoppMyth **

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jolaren:

ive used it myself with mythbuntu before

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jolaren:

dno whats change

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styelz:

have they shown "V" in the states yet?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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styelz:

ah

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styelz:

any good

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wagnerrp:

mid-season break currently

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styelz:

starts after the olympics here in aus.

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styelz:

do they have the reptilian eating the rat scene

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styelz:

in this one

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styelz:

anyway, thanks

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justinh:

bah. so that's MythNetVision doing iPlayer content out of the window then : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplay . . . erification/

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justinh:

it's high time flash got kicked into touch

[08:23:12]

justinh:

but not even html5 can do that :-\

[08:23:54]

gbee:

well streaming it and playing it back, MythNetVision can still play it back using their flash player

[08:24:33]

justinh:

yeah, CPU hogging, unsynchronised blitting piece of crap that it is

[08:25:25]

justinh:

I prolly wouldn't care about flash if it wasn't so awful

[08:27:16]

motd2k:

i'm trying to understand their logic in implementing SWF verification

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motd2k:

and failing

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justinh:

probably another concession to content producers

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justinh:

so folks can't download the swf video & put it online elsewhere

[08:28:44]

justinh:

which is kinda stupid because anybody could record it all off-air & do that anyway

[08:28:44]

motd2k:

hehe, except get_iplayer isnt affected

[08:29:26]

justinh:

well yeah but that's only cos the code is 'naughty' – that's what I took away from the El Reg article ;)

[08:29:27]

motd2k:

well, its slightly inconvenienced if its using flvstreamer, but totally unaffected if it's using rtmpdump

[08:29:41]

motd2k:

rtmpdump is, yea

[08:29:48]

motd2k:

flvstreamer is just urrm

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motd2k:

impolite

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justinh:

heh

[08:30:29]

motd2k:

it accepts the disconnection request after the SWFVertification failure, and immediately reconnects and resumes

[08:32:03]

motd2k:

shocking that we seems to have found something that we agree on, however

[08:32:08]

motd2k:

:P

[08:32:34]

justinh:

you'd be surprised

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Beirdo:

Hmmm.

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Beirdo:

I hope that doesn't break BBC7 realplayer stream :)

[08:33:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[08:33:09]

Beirdo:

I guess I'll find out tomorrow

[08:33:39]

Beirdo:

I capture the Goon Show off them every week

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gbee:

BBC announced the other day that they were dropping realplayer and wma/wmv, didn't they?

[08:33:41]

justinh:

if the flash stuff did what it's supposed to do I doubt I'd even care much, but when it's their (broken) way or the highway.. meh

[08:34:15]

Beirdo:

yeah, well... they've said that before, and I adjusted to get the stream inside it all

[08:34:24]

gbee:

dunno if that extends to BBC 7

[08:34:38]

Beirdo:

nothing a good wireshark session didn't fix

[08:34:54]

gbee:

something about it being outdated technology and not cross-platform

[08:35:01]

Beirdo:

heh

[08:35:06]

Beirdo:

whatever. :)

[08:35:16]

Beirdo:

nice smokescreen

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justinh:

I'm all for cross-platform but flash ain't really that other than the fact it sucks across every platform

[08:36:02]

Beirdo:

and underneath, they usually just stream in the same way anyways, just with extra crap on top

[08:36:14]

justinh:

yup

[08:36:24]

Beirdo:

we'll see if my scripts can cope

[08:36:30]

Beirdo:

frigging BBC

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justinh:

only with a mondo-crippled player on top :)

[08:37:03]

Beirdo:

I also capture from ABC RN... they at least use *standards*

[08:37:04]

Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

I wouldn't care, but we've had machines capable of playing this kind of stuff effortlessly for oooo – how long – like 15 years now?

[08:37:55]

Beirdo:

yeah. If I were actually *paying* for BBC like you are... I'd be royally pissed

[08:38:16]

justinh:

give VLC a flv to play & it just eats it. And no tearing :)

[08:38:40]

justinh:

mind, seesaw's player is just as awful

[08:38:45]

Beirdo:

heh. well, at worst, I guess you can just download it, but that's sucky too

[08:38:54]

justinh:

but it's common to flash end of story

[08:39:33]

Beirdo:

in particular, I use the "Listen Again" part

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Beirdo:

I guess I could use the live stream if it works better

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justinh:

people say downgrading the flash player itself to v9 can fix the tearing & CPU spikes

[08:40:59]

justinh:

that's IF the damn page doesn't look for v10

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Beirdo:

still working right now :)

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Beirdo:

heheh

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justinh:

I dread to think that the humble web browser is seen as the great solution to all users' needs

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Beirdo:

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Beirdo:

I'd say that's workin

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

now we just have to hope the people looking to kybosh the BBC's attempt to 'DRM' freeview HD fail miserably

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

btw motd2k – my big beef with XBMC turned out to be something totally unexpected. Last time I installed it I found it'd play video just fine so I tried hooking it into my backend again... it still failed miserably. Because I was putting in the IP address. Didn't realise it *had* to be a hostname or else

[08:49:34]

motd2k:

ah – sounds a bit retarded

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motd2k:

i'll let them know

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justinh:

worked fine once I added a line in my hosts file

[08:50:26]

justinh:

annoying thing was, it'd connect & see everything when using an IP address. Just not play

[08:50:41]

justinh:

so it *looked* like it was working, if you get my drift

[08:51:18]

motd2k:

right, got ya – sounds like a bastard to diagnose

[08:51:24]

motd2k:

from your side i mean

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justinh:

yeah certainly caused a hell of a lot of cussing my end

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justinh:

a further reminder I should get around to sorting out name resolution on my home network at some point

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Beirdo:

anyways, off to work

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justinh:

I would, but I don't mind admitting I haven't got a clue :-P

[08:52:52]

Beirdo:

I'll keep my eye on BBC7 :)

[08:53:19]

justinh:

Beirdo: pay me & I'll host a recorder box for you :P

[08:53:34]

justinh:

(kidding, I'd never condone such idiocy)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[08:54:39]

Beirdo:

I just want 30min once a week. You'd think they'd appreciate taht :)

[08:54:54]

gbee:

"give VLC a flv to play & it just eats it." Same goes for myth

[08:55:11]

justinh:

gbee: yeah but I don't run myth on my windows laptop ;-)

[08:55:54]

justinh:

bottom line is I don't *really* care all that much since I don't actually need iPlayer or seesaw.. but it'd be nice to have the option if I did

[08:56:25]

** gbee eyes justinh with suspicion **

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justinh:

so these things come along, I try them out.. and it's disappointing

[08:57:12]

justinh:

gbee: with our cable we've got access to way more than what's online AFAIK

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oobe:

playing mythtv recordings in xbmc doesnt work well for me

[08:57:56]

gbee:

IMHO they are disappointing, but not because I can't use them in the way I want, but because it's a low res version of something that's already been broadcast FTA, in HD (or SD) anyway

[08:58:04]

justinh:

even if the playback was solid & non-tearing the quality isn't that good anyway

[08:58:08]

oobe:

it doesnt get the seektable

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oobe:

so you cant ffwd

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justinh:

shouldn't need the seektable

[08:59:08]

oobe:

well i guessed that was the problem then

[08:59:24]

justinh:

you should be able to seek in any file without a seektable.. just prolly not all that accurately

[08:59:25]

oobe:

just add yours hosts to /etc/hosts

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justinh:

oobe: XP doesn't have /etc :P

[09:00:02]

oobe:

it has system32/lmhosts i think

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oobe:

does the same thing

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justinh:

get with the program anyway. I fixed it already

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oobe:

ok

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gbee:

seektable just allows for even more accurate seeking

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gbee:

and faster seeking

[09:02:25]

oobe:

anyway i dont care xbmc looks nice but i havent seen it playback much content better than myth

[09:02:42]

oobe:

most things play better in myth IMHO

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[Peter]:

I get stuttering with VDPAU in xbmc

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oobe:

one thing i did notice is some wmv 9 plays better than mplayer and myth

[09:03:45]

oobe:

but that is all

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justinh:

ironic considering ffmpeg is at the core of all these players pretty much, no?

[09:04:48]

justinh:

well libavwossnamethingy

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[Peter]:

libavinsanelysuckyapi

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gbee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8533994.stm << What sort of f'd up brewery uses acid?

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gbee:

"Royal Brewery The Royal Brewery, in Moss Side, Manchester (the home of Fosters, the second biggest selling lager in the UK)" < ohhh, now it all makes sense

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AndyCap:

"The brewery's owners, Heineken, were unavailable for comment. " O_o

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sid3windr:

lawl, heineken :p

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motd2k:

theyre busy with a mop

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gbee:

heh, the Heineken line wasn't there before, they've updated the item

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gbee:

caught an advert last night, apparently they've re-released AvP for all consoles, an ~11 year old game and from the captures they've not bothered to update the graphics that much

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gbee:

there was a point when it seemed like advances in game graphics were occurring at an incredible rate, but I look at many modern games and they are no closer to appearing realistic than they were ten years ago :(

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[Peter]:

gbee: compare http://tinyurl.com/ykgtk3s to http://tinyurl.com/ybdnkf2, I think the later looks quite a bit more realistic ;)

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AndyCap:

moaarr vertices.

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gbee:

there's been improvements sure and looking at the games I had in mind from ~2000, of which OFP is a way better example, I guess my imagination was able to fill out the missing detail, but I'd argue that those BF screenshots with their shiny plastic look are not very realistic at all :)

[10:17:52]

gbee:

some of those BF screenshots, if you can ignore the immediate 'shiny' and slightly higher resolution don't look any better than some of the old OFP + expansion screens (plus OFP was a far superior game to anything in the BF series anyway ;) )

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[Peter]:

gbee: true, I just took a modern shooter. OFP Dragon Rising was garbage though

[10:19:01]

gbee:

take the sandbags, sprite trees, pre-rendered? backgrounds, http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefieldb . . . elow;thumb;5

[10:19:21]

gbee:

[Peter]: OFP != that pile of crap recently released by Codemasters

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[Peter]:

gbee: I know you meant the original one

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[Peter]:

gbee: I preordered Dragon Rising and got very disapointed

[10:20:15]

gbee:

Codemasters had the rights to the name OFP, but BIS were the genius behind the original game and couldn't stop codemasters cashing in :/

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[Peter]:

gbee: BIS latest game, ARMA2 had potential but it was way too slow and too many bugs..

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gbee:

if I hadn't switched to entirely linux (or if I had a console) I'd have player Arma/Arma2 because OFP was the game that spoilt all other games for me, having played it I couldn't play a lousy linear FPS ever again

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[Peter]:

gbee: the last really good shooter was Joint operations from novalogic :)

[10:23:33]

gbee:

heh

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gbee:

it's unfortunate that BIS, as incredibly talented as they obviously are, don't have the size or financial backing to release a game which has been rigorously debugged and optimised

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[Peter]:

yeah, ARMA2 had all the right stuff going, but when it was unplayable even on a i7 combined with a GTX295 it's kind of sad

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gbee:

even 5/6 years ago BIS had written software to generate entire forests of unique, non-sprite trees, hundreds of square kilometres of landscapes based on real terrain data etc, and yet you've still got games like BF: BC2 churning out closed maps and sprite trees :(

[10:29:51]

jolaren:

I'm not gettin any cable signal in mythdora, how do I proceed?

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gbee:

their tree generating software was quite beautiful, following real growth patterns of several different species etc to create forest scenes that were more realistic than anything I've seen before or since, no idea whether that work ever made it into any of their games though

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[Peter]:

gbee: ARMA2 is very good looking

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[Peter]:

gbee: so perhaps it made it into that.. :)

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[Peter]:

gbee: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/armaii/images/0/37/

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jolaren:

I go from 2% signal strength to two

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Beirdo:

anyone here used beebox for CI?

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Beirdo:

or other systems? I'm thinking of creating a CI server for my projects, and was looking for what might be useful :)

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AndyCap:

I'm guessing that CI isn't Common Interface?

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Beirdo:

sorry

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Beirdo:

continuous integration

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Beirdo:

tinderbox is another example

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jolaren:

pizza or thai? cant decide

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jams:

pizza

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AndyCap:

Can't say I'm that advanced in my programming, haven't gotten to self-testing software. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration#Software

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya, AndyCap. I'm just looking to do autobuild, then adding autotest as well

[11:21:23]

Beirdo:

now, how to autotest beirdobot... that will be fun and tricky

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Beirdo:

but for sure I want to be able to autobuild

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jolaren:

I have extremly crappy signal strenght on my hauppage wintv nova-t 500 card in mythdora

[11:32:06]

devinheitmueller:

jolaren: Um, sorry to hear that?

[11:32:46]

devinheitmueller:

... or are you suggesting you think there is something wrong with the card because your regular television with the same antenna and orientation gets better reception?

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Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: you have any preferred autobuild systems? :) I'm looking at the docs for buildbot right now

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jolaren:

devinheitmueller, basicly that's what im saying ^^

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devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: no, not really. I hate to admit it, but I have done that sort of thing three or four times and always just ended up with a homegrown script and a cron job.

[11:33:38]

Beirdo:

jolaren: you checked for bad cables?

[11:33:57]

Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: hehe, gotcha :)

[11:34:24]

jolaren:

Beirdo, yeah =)

[11:34:36]

Beirdo:

dang

[11:35:11]

Beirdo:

OK, well if you're sure it's not signal degradation in the cabling, that would lead to it being card related. some people don't think to check the cables though :)

[11:35:20]

devinheitmueller:

jolaren: is the SNR just bad, or are you having trouble with the quality of the MPEG?

[11:35:56]

devinheitmueller:

jolaren: .... also, if you haven't already, I checked in a fix a couple of weeks ago which could improve digital quality if it's a high bandwidth channel.

[11:35:58]

jolaren:

devinheitmueller, even having problems to search for the channels

[11:36:23]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, if you're having problems even getting a signal lock then it's not likely something my recent fix would address.

[11:36:52]

Beirdo:

might it be a tuning issue (i.e. looking at the wrong frequencies)?

[11:37:07]

Beirdo:

I'm not up on that card, just giving thoughts

[11:37:11]

devinheitmueller:

jolaren: have you tried running a channel scan with "scan" as opposed to the MythTV scanner?

[11:37:27]

devinheitmueller:

(I'm not blaming the MythTV scanner specifically, but it's a good data point to gather)

[11:37:57]

jolaren:

devinheitmueller, I have not, I just now read about what your saying and I will give that a go

[11:38:36]

devinheitmueller:

It's worth a try. If you get significantly different results from the scan tool than the MythTV scanner, then that would be a good thing to investigate why they are behaving differently.

[11:39:13]

oobe:

devinheitmueller, is that recent fix of yours in 22-fixes now

[11:39:35]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: the fix is not for MythTV, but for the underlying driver. Meaning you would need to manually install the v4l-dvb tree.

[11:40:04]

oobe:

oh ok is that for all dvb tuners or just specific ones

[11:40:15]

oobe:

im using a dvico dual tuner

[11:40:22]

devinheitmueller:

It was a bug specifically in the dib0700 bridge, so it effects any tuner with that chip.

[11:40:46]

devinheitmueller:

I believe all the Dvico dual tuners are cx88 designs, so I don't think they would be effected.

[11:41:23]

oobe:

hmm dib0070 dvb_usb_cxusb dib7000p appears in lsmod

[11:41:51]

devinheitmueller:

7000 is the demodulator. If would only be an issue if the dib0700 driver were loaded.

[11:42:56]

oobe:

so there is no need for me to update my dvb drivers

[11:43:06]

oobe:

cause i get some reception issues too

[11:43:29]

oobe:

it used to be ok but has been a bad for some channels for a while trying to figure out what has changed

[11:45:21]

oobe:

i'm downloading http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb now i decided it cant hurt

[11:45:35]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: Yeah, I cannot really say whether you should update your drivers. Generally, I do tell people who are having problems to update to the latest code and see if that fixes it. But you would probably have to better isolate whether your issues are specific to running under MythTV, and it would be good if you had a good reference to compare against.

[11:48:46]

oobe:

devinheitmueller, no i thought it was at one stage but it is my reception of certain channels in general

[11:49:17]

oobe:

been thinking its a possum that has knocked out some of the wiring just slightly enough to cause problems

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oobe:

but it also could be those channels changing the dtv signals and my area getting poor reception

[11:49:54]

devinheitmueller:

I guess it's possible. If you really believe it might be a code regression, create a simple test case using just tzap/mplayer, and then compare an older kernel against the current tree.

[11:50:01]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: that's also possible.

[11:50:36]

oobe:

im using

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oobe:

os[Linux 2.6.31.6-smp i686] distro[Slackware 13.0.0.0.0] cpu[3 x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B50 Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 3.10GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 33.5% free] disk[Total: 1.1TB, 2.4% free] video[10de:06e4] sound[HDA-Intel – HDA NVidia]

[11:51:17]

oobe:

the kernel is vanilla with no merical updates

[11:51:26]

devinheitmueller:

Well, that's not very old.

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oobe:

dvb-v4l seems to think its a bit old http://pastebin.ca/1808208

[11:54:34]

devinheitmueller:

Well, those are drivers recently introduced which require infrastructure only present in 2.6.32.

[11:54:56]

oobe:

well i just made them and installed them

[11:55:08]

devinheitmueller:

.... or whoever did those drivers just didn't care about testing backward compatibility and it's easier to claim that it only works with the latest kernel.

[11:55:19]

oobe:

do you know how i can unload my modules and reload them without rebooting?

[11:55:26]

devinheitmueller:

make unload

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devinheitmueller:

modprobe "whatever bridge driver your device uses"

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NetWalk:

is it possible to watch live TV using RCAin from a DC10(miro) card with MythTV ??

[12:06:21]

devinheitmueller:

NetWalk: Assuming the DC10 is supported in V4L, I don't see why not.

[12:06:52]

devinheitmueller:

If I recall, it's a framegrabber, so that will result in more CPU usage. But it should work.

[12:07:09]

NetWalk:

ok, i will try that tonight. i'm just having some hard time settup my MythTV box :-(

[12:08:47]

oobe:

devinheitmueller, i think the new drivers might of helped a little im still seeing artifacts on the trouble channels but fewer

[12:08:52]

devinheitmueller:

NetWalk: That's a really old product, and I believe it should work

[12:09:01]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: oh? nice.

[12:09:06]

NetWalk:

i know it's old

[12:09:12]

oobe:

seems like few anyway its hard to tell though cause somtimes it can be worse than others

[12:09:16]

NetWalk:

but that the only card i got in my closet now :-(

[12:10:00]

devinheitmueller:

NetWalk: The cards are so cheap that there's little incentive to put any development time into it. So if the card works then great, but if it doesn't then you are unlikely to get any help debugging the driver.

[12:10:15]

NetWalk:

i'v try last night to install MythTVubuntu with DC10 as capture card et Radeon7200 video card, without big success

[12:10:25]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: you may wish to try running femon and see if it is reporting BER/UNC errors.

[12:11:06]

NetWalk:

i want to buy a new card, i'm a little bit confuse about what to get (here in Canada with Videotron and Bell Expressvu)

[12:11:09]

devinheitmueller:

NetWalk: It's entirely possible your Radeon7200 would cause more problems than the DC10, given how poorly the ATI cards are supported in terms of things like Xvideo.

[12:11:34]

devinheitmueller:

(although the ATI situation may have improved by now)

[12:12:15]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: by running femon, that will help determine whether the problem is with signal reception, or something further up the stack like the bridge or backend.

[12:12:51]

devinheitmueller:

... if you're getting lots of BER/UNC errors, that means the problem is either you really have a poor signal or there is a problem with the tuner chip or demodulator.

[12:13:26]

NetWalk:

sorry for my ignorance but, what exctly is femon?

[12:13:57]

devinheitmueller:

NetWalk: that comment was directed at oobe. Femon is a tool for looking at digital signal quality.

[12:14:06]

NetWalk:

and you talk about "signal", there is no input DVD or else on that card, just RCAin and RCAout

[12:14:35]

devinheitmueller:

NetWalk: again, those comments were directed at oobe, who is trying to debug a problem with his digital tuner.

[12:15:02]

NetWalk:

sorry...

[12:15:35]

oobe:

femon with what options

[12:16:09]

oobe:

femon with no options appears like this http://pastebin.ca/1808230

[12:17:06]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: yeah, that looks good.

[12:17:16]

oobe:

ok good

[12:17:29]

oobe:

so that means i have ok tuner and ok reception?

[12:17:41]

devinheitmueller:

the "unc" section show the "uncorrectable errors" If that counter was increasing, that would mean you are getting lots of signal reception errors.

[12:18:20]

devinheitmueller:

(where the tuner/demodulator were unable to compensate with error correction)

[12:22:16]

oobe:

thanks

[12:22:39]

oobe:

i cant see much difference now after watching tv a little longer

[12:25:32]

oobe:

this is tzap tuning one of the trouble channels http://pastebin.ca/1808238

[12:25:41]

oobe:

i can see the unc increasing

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devinheitmueller:

Ok, well if unc is increasing then you're either tuning to a channel that actually has crappy reception, or there is a bug in the tuner or demodulator driver. Do you have any other way to test? Do you have another tuner or a television that you can try on the target channel and see if the signal is any good?

[12:28:33]

oobe:

not right here

[12:28:51]

devinheitmueller:

Without having something to compare against, we're not going to know whether it's actually a bug or just a poor signal.

[12:28:56]

devinheitmueller:

Can you try it under Windows?

[12:28:56]

oobe:

but i been meaning to take this pc and plug it into a different antenna

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cipher42:

anyone know what's up with the 1212's?

[12:29:12]

oobe:

no i dont have windows installed

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cipher42:

can't find one anywherez

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devinheitmueller:

oobe: yeah, without a known good source to compare against, we're not really going to be able to debug.

[12:29:48]

oobe:

thats cool

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devinheitmueller:

cipher42: yeah, seems like they've got some supply chain problems.

[12:30:19]

devinheitmueller:

You're not the only one to notice that they are out of stock in many places.

[12:30:34]

oobe:

i can say that i did have another dvb tuner in this box but it had the same issues with same channels

[12:30:38]

cipher42:

is there anywhere that actually has them?

[12:30:50]

oobe:

so its most likely the antenna and broadcasters

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devinheitmueller:

oobe: Ah, well that is good to know.

[12:35:57]

devinheitmueller:

That would suggest that in fact it has nothing to do with the card (which to me is a *good* thing)

[12:36:18]

oobe:

yea the card has been reliable

[12:36:45]

oobe:

the reception started to go wierd when networks started adding extra channels to the same multiplex

[12:36:55]

oobe:

so i think it may result in weaker signal

[12:37:16]

oobe:

happened around the same time as .22 came out so i thought that may of been the problem too

[12:37:20]

devinheitmueller:

oobe: unfortunately, "reliable" is a pretty subjective term. I've debugged numerous cases with cards where the card was not properly setup, and hence resulted in poor performance with marginal signals, or only with certain transponders.

[12:39:17]

oobe:

well i feel like i done all i can apart from calling an antenna guy to come and look at it

[12:39:42]

oobe:

my house has 2 antennas and the tv out the back gets perfect reception from the other one

[12:40:04]

oobe:

so im one day going to unplug this machine and test it in the other antenna out the back

[12:40:11]

oobe:

just havent got round to it

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oobe:

if the test gives me perfect reception then i guess i have to pay $100 to have the antenna guy change the cable to my wall socket

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stuartm:

devinheitmueller: any idea what the deal is with cards like the Nova-T 500 which feature a built in LNA (for very good) reason, but which isn't enabled by default?

[12:46:57]

stuartm:

it's impossible to get a good signal out of the card without the LNA, even if you live on top of the transmitter, so I've always wondered why you have to explicitly enable the LNA instead of the other way around

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devinheitmueller:

The LNA isn't enabled by default because if it's used in cases where the signal is already good, the LNA will overdrive the signal and cause you to *not* get a signal lock.

[12:48:12]

devinheitmueller:

Digital demodulators tend to be more sensitive to signal overdrive, so it's actually easier to end up with not getting a lock because the signal is *too* strong.

[12:48:49]

stuartm:

devinheitmueller: of course if used where not required it makes things worse, but my point is that the vast majority of people need the LNA, so by disabling by default it's catering to a minority

[12:48:56]

devinheitmueller:

... so while the LNA would be good for *your* particular environment, having it enabled by default would cause most people to receive fewer channels out of the box.

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stuartm:

I've never seen anyone able to use the Nova-T 500 (as an example) without the LNA enabled, at least not the second tuner

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devinheitmueller:

stuartm: your definition of "vast majority of people" is presumably comprised of those who have complained. It is equally likely that for most people it works out of the box and they never say a word.

[12:49:40]

AndyCap:

is mythtv aware of the LNA setting?

[12:49:47]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: no. It's a modprobe option.

[12:50:18]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: i.e. not standard and not available through any api? :P

[12:50:23]

devinheitmueller:

If the second tuner is behaving differently then the first tuner, then that would indeed be a problem.

[12:50:41]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: correct. The Linux DVB API does not provide a common mechanism for controlling the LNA.

[12:50:44]

ikevin:

anyone know how can i tell to livetv to disable the mouse pointer?

[12:51:24]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: hence, the configuration of the LNA is not standardized and differs from driver to driver.

[12:51:37]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: cause it would have been neat to do that from the channel scanner or something.

[12:51:46]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: I don't disagree.

[12:51:59]

devinheitmueller:

... and in fact, it would be great if you could control the LNA based on the channel being tuned to.

[12:52:13]

devinheitmueller:

(since some will require it while others might be overdriven as a result of having it enabled)

[12:52:13]

stuartm:

I should see if mythbuntu/mythdora can return some stats on how many people are using the LNA with the Nova-T 500 (although it can't reveal how many have resorted to external amps because they didn't know about the LNA)

[12:52:48]

devinheitmueller:

stuartm: good luck with that. I'm having severe difficulty getting *any* useful stats about what tuners people are using.

[12:52:53]

AndyCap:

stuartm: does smolt collect modprobe options or does myth* have their own app?

[12:53:43]

stuartm:

devinheitmueller: jams wrote an app to gather hardware and myth-related stats, I believe it was rolled into mythdora but remains optional

[12:54:17]

devinheitmueller:

stuartm: the "optional" part is really the problem. It results in getting almost no realistic view on usage (since almost nobody knows it even exists)

[12:54:37]

AndyCap:

not terribly useful http://smolts.org/static/stats/by_class_CAPTURE.html

[12:55:51]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: It's actually worse than "terribly useful". It's actually wrong/misleading. Bad information is worse than no information.

[12:56:03]

stuartm:

AndyCap: it's one of those things that is often talked about for myth, it would really help to know what hardware, configurations are used, or what features of mythtv people use, but it's low priority vs fixing bugs and new features

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jams:

how is it bad info?

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AndyCap:

brooktree coming out in top, but there's probably lots of other devices that don't get classed as capture devices?

[12:57:14]

AndyCap:

I dunno.

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devinheitmueller:

jams: it's a ridiculously small sample size by a group of users that is unlikely to be representative of the user based (highly advanced users who happened to have stumbled across the opportunity to submit data).

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stuartm:

my personal concern about data collected that way is that isn't easily manipulated by a user who wants to present the impression that something like PVR-350 tv-output support is a high priority when it's really used by a couple of dozen people worldwide

[12:57:57]

devinheitmueller:

It's not a "random sampling" by any stretch of the imagination, so you cannot even scale up the numbers to what you think the actual user base size is.

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AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: um, you don't stumble across smolt, it's pretty much in your face during install, but yes there is some self-selection

[12:58:13]

jams:

considering the Fedora & mythdora it prompts you to submit on install it's not really a stumble

[12:58:35]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: Well, I never came across it (and I did an install of the mythtv RPMs through Ubuntu)

[12:58:51]

devinheitmueller:

... hence I could argue it was never "in my face"

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AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: smolt is for fedora install though.

[12:59:28]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: and not a myth tool, dunno about the utility jams wrote, since I haven't seen that. (And I don't use mythbuntu/mythtdora)

[12:59:34]

jams:

and for Suse ..ubuntu folks declined

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stuartm:

s/isn't/is/ – one stupid typo :/

[12:59:58]

jams:

AndyCap- It's a myth frontend for smolt

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devinheitmueller:

Without any idea what the relative size of the user bases are across the various distros, we wouldn't know how to scale the numbers.

[13:00:24]

AndyCap:

jams: aha.

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jams:

it gathers more infor then the standard smolt and submits to it's own server vs smolts.org

[13:00:40]

devinheitmueller:

For example, it would be a really crappy sample if the distribution was 80% Ubuntu, 10% Fedora, 10% Suse (I'm not saying that's what the distribution is, of course)

[13:01:06]

devinheitmueller:

... and in fact, I don't think *anyone* can tell us what the distribution is across the distros.

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AndyCap:

stuartm: as for manipulation, I don't see how you can escape that unless you want to start randomly phoning people or something. Don't want to know how many people you must call before getting something other than "Mythtv? is that the new Lost spinoff?"

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devinheitmueller:

Don't get me wrong – everybody is doing their best here, but I certainly wouldn't be prepared to make any decisions about default behavior based on numbers which I would best describe as highly questionable in their integrity.

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AndyCap:

so one goes with the sample size of 1 gut instinct instead?

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devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: No, I go with what the guys who designed the board tell me about nominal operational parameters.

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devinheitmueller:

... in the absence of any more authoritative source of information (such as a statistically significant sampling of user experience), what choice do I really have?

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AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: that's fine for LNA default, but not for HVR-1600 vs HVR-1250. :P

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devinheitmueller:

heh.

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iamlindoro:

I like the guy on the list saying how nice it would be to use information from the ATSC content header that he freely admits that he has no understanding up

[13:08:26]

iamlindoro:

of

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devinheitmueller:

In fairness, I don't have any specific affinity for the HVR-1600. I focused attention on that board because somebody paid me to make it work well.

[13:08:44]

iamlindoro:

It would be nice if Myth gave me ponies and served me dinner, too

[13:09:02]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: agreed.

[13:09:23]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Don't get me wrong, the first time I read the A/63c, I had similar high hopes.

[13:09:39]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: oh, sorry. :) was just trying to think of some decision that couldn't be answered by the board specifications.

[13:09:58]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: (about more reliable delivery of information on the current program info, not about ponies)

[13:10:08]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: understood ;)

[13:10:57]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: no need to apologize. The 1600 versus 1250 issue has similar problems, since not even the product vendor has any insight as to how many of either are being used under Linux.

[13:11:31]

devinheitmueller:

For example, one could argue that using the 1250 analog under Linux would be relatively less common, given people who use MythTV are more inclined to use a board with an onboard MPEG encoder.

[13:12:21]

AndyCap:

if they know that one with mpeg encoder is preferable, sometimes people don't learn that until their second install.

[13:12:28]

devinheitmueller:

(and given the relatively small cost differential, why would they *not* pick a board with an encoder?)

[13:12:50]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: I don't dispute the point. People often find out too late what they *should* have purchased.

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stuartm:

wonder if stoth and hauppauge have any figures, it's their hardware after all, might be interesting to know what the windows driver default is too

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AndyCap:

so even if one had perfect statistics one would have to account for ignorant purchases. :P

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devinheitmueller:

stuartm: The WinTV application defaults to having the LNA turned off.

[13:14:15]

stuartm:

way too many people buy hardware and then start looking at the requirements for mythtv, it's a sad state of affairs really

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AndyCap:

I guess perfect statistics is a contradiction in terms.

[13:14:28]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: I wouldn't go so far as to call them ignorant. I've certainly done that sort of thing before.... which, by coincidence is how several tuner products ended up supported. :-)

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stuartm:

devinheitmueller: well disappointing as that answer might be, I suppose I can't argue with it :)

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stuartm:

though at least on windows it's exposed in the application, not as an obscure module parameter

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devinheitmueller:

I think if the DVB API had the ability to control the LNA, then we would have the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone cares enough to dedicate the cycles required to add the support.

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AndyCap:

well, looking at how smoothly the last major api changes went I don't think anyone's interested.

[13:17:12]

devinheitmueller:

I hate to make this about "developer motivation", but that's the sad reality. The people who "care" don't have the knowledge/experience to do the work, and the people who have the knowledge/experience have little motivation to go out of their way for something they don't benefit from in any way.

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stuartm:

devinheitmueller: particularly not since it's a setup issue, a configure once and forget, one of the reasons mythtv's setup remains so hateful is that few of the devs can remember the pain, they've not had to install from scratch and without the benefit of hindsight for years

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devinheitmueller:

stuartm: agreed.

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: i think its more the latter

[13:18:15]

wagnerrp:

looking back through what it would take for a from-scratch install

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wagnerrp:

it would take me all of maybe 10 minutes from start to finish

[13:18:30]

devinheitmueller:

I cannot really blame the devs for this though. Focusing on making it easy to install is a thankless task, and a terribly boring/time consuming endeavour.

[13:18:47]

wagnerrp:

plus whatever it took to get my LIRC profile together (which is primarily the stock MCEUSB profile)

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: it's VERY confusing the first time

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stuartm:

several times I've started on tasks relating to simplifying initial setup, but that work always seems to end up being put on hold

[13:21:24]

wagnerrp:

[Peter]: to be perfectly honest, my first myth setup took all of maybe half an hour between reading all the documentation, and actually doing it

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wagnerrp:

the only things that tripped me up were making the mistake of using a host instead of an IP address in setup, and trying to get the lircrc file in the right place

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wagnerrp:

besides that, it was weeks of trying to get my tuner cards working, in the dark ages of IVTV

[13:22:45]

wagnerrp:

or trying to figure out how to work permissions in mysql

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stuartm:

I seriously want to complete (err start) xmltv apiconfig support, but for all the pain that initial xmltv config adds to the process, it's just one of many areas which could be improved

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wagnerrp:

or doing any number of things outside of mythtv, that mythtv depended on

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AndyCap:

killing lirc. :P

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j-rod:

+1 for that

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wagnerrp:

[Peter]: getting mythtv to how i liked it may have taken a while, but getting it working in the first place was fairly straight forward

[13:25:02]

wagnerrp:

(once the dependencies were in place)

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: yeah, the problem is anything goes wrong, and troubleshooting that

[13:25:58]

AndyCap:

But I don't require a ir blaster and I guess one would need to keep it around for that.

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: like not noticing that mythtv-setup forgets any changes you do in a section unless you press "Next" all the way

[13:26:51]

wagnerrp:

[Peter]: it remembers all settings you put in there

[13:26:57]

wagnerrp:

you can go back and forth at will

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devinheitmueller:

The experience varies wildly. For many users, it just worked the first time. However, for many others, they ran in to one of the 75 things that could go wrong in the process, and figuring out what the problem is can be *very* time consuming.

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: not if you press escape

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: no. people set something in screen one and tow and quit

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wagnerrp:

if users dont understand that hitting 'cancel' reverts their changes, thats their own fault

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[Peter]:

right.

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: it doesn't make any sense at all for the diseqc options. you press the button to get that window, change stuff, then you get back to the input cards section, and think you're done. if you then press escape your diseqc settings are lost.

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AndyCap:

Having all the advanced settings remote control accessible is very confusing for users though and I would think far more efficient to have in a different ui

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[Peter]:

AndyCap: the best part is that it's fullscreen

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: its intended that mythtv-setup gets consumed by mythbackend and output over the built in webserver

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stuartm:

AndyCap: we're way past you, decision was made long ago to replace mythtv-setup with a web-based interface

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stuartm:

but someone has to do the work :)

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AndyCap:

stuartm: is there a webserver in trunk now?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: there has been a webserver in mythbackend for as long as ive been using mythtv

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AndyCap:

I do remember iamlindoro mentioning this a few months ago. and I remember looking at qt's server classes.

[13:32:41]

** jams has mixed feelings about mythtv-setup being made web based only. **

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: oooh. the built in protocol server?

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stuartm:

even years before that it's been serving up a status page

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stuartm:

David Blaine hooked into it at a later date to add the upnp and xml services

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: the backend status page in mythweb is actually served up by mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

port 6544

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AndyCap:

yeah, I found it. didn't know that's where the status page were.

[13:35:18]

jams:

I hear he also encased a myth server in ice for 48 hours and it still worked

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wagnerrp:

mythweb just adds its own css for color, and passes it straight onto the user

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iamlindoro:

jams: I get and appreciate that, by the way ;)

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jams:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

I heard his backend can levitate

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iamlindoro:

true story

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jams:

i was a bad joke

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jams:

*it

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clever:

mine levitates whenever i have 666gig free!

[13:38:09]

clever:

i should put 666tb in and see what happens!!

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AndyCap:

clever: your wallet disappears?

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clever:

AndyCap: it probly would!

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stuartm:

jams: I likewise have mixed feelings about making the setup web-based, in fact I'd go so far as to say I'm not entirely on-board, but it's not an issue I really want to waste my time fighting over and the decision is already made

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stuartm:

clever: if it was 616 that would be really spooky

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jams:

if the basic stuff was still with the myth ui I would like it a bit more.

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clever:

stuartm: how is that special?

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clever:

ah

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clever:

wikipedia to the rescue!

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stuartm:

clever: 666 isn't special, it's a mistake, the original number was 616

[13:48:29]

clever:

i thought 666 was 999 upsidedown

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clever:

dont remember much of the details

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stoth:

stuartm: what's the question?

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clever:

looks like they changed it in 2005

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** wagnerrp thinks clever needs to stop watching bad Arnie movies **

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clever:

wagnerrp: no idea what your talking about!

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wagnerrp:

that was the premise of End Of Days

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clever:

probly havent seen it

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wagnerrp:

the world was going to end in 1999, because they had read the number upside down

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clever:

lol

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clever:

the world feels oddly not over:P

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clever:

its 10 years late!

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wagnerrp:

of course not, Arnie saved us all

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clever:

lol, Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia

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clever:

'literally, "fear of [the number] six hundred sixty-six"'

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clever:

how the hell is anybody supposed to remember that

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stuartm:

stoth: again, sorry for disturbing you, we were discussing whether the LNA being disabled by default on the Nova-T 500 and whether anyone had figures to back up this being the better default – do the majority need it enabled (as experience here and the wikis suggest) or vice-versa, are the majority silent on the issue because they don't have any reception problems with the LNA disabled

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stoth:

stuartm: np

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stoth:

as i recall LNA is off by default under windows, period. If you think differently then I'd have to check to be sure.

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stuartm:

all those people, horror films, books etc which hinge a whole load of significance on 666 (various concidences etc), and it's all rubbish since even if you chose to believe the bible literally, the figure isn't 666 at all

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stoth:

We offer a tool or a reg key to enable it.

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clever:

stuartm: :D

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stuartm:

End of Days is a good example of what I mean by the various coincidences which are attributed to the apparent satanic nature of the number 666

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stuartm:

stoth: I don't claim to know differently, if it's off by default under windows then I'd have to assume that most people don't have any problems with that, at least with mythtv and linux I've yet to find anyone who can use the Nova-T 500 without the LNA enabled, but as devinheitmueller suggests that's probably because only those having any trouble come looking for help

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stuartm:

stoth: thanks for taking the time to answer the question

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stoth:

stuartm: probably

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NetWalk_AWY:

hey guys, is a PVR-150 used (20$) from ebay can be a good choice, i just want to test Videotron (quebec, analog signal) and learn how MythTv works ?

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tank-man:

NetWalk_AWY, sure

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stuartm:

there is a possibility that people are installing external amps because of reception problems, not realising the built-in LNA exists, but that's just pointless speculation, without any hard figures we can't know

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AndyCap:

NetWalk_AWY: it should work fine. dunno if it is a good deal or not

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NetWalk:

ok, great, let's bet on!! :-)

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stuartm:

NetWalk_AWY: for analogue the PVR-150 is a very good choice, and I think $20 is very fair

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NetWalk:

it's the only signal i can have now in my house.

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stuartm:

assuming the seller claims it's working, I've had one or two dud cards off ebay before now

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NetWalk:

but, i know there some ATSC signal in the air in Quebec, but just 4–5 channels :-(

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stuartm:

I'm assuming this is a standard RF signal

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NetWalk:

if all goes well (mythtv setup) i will later upgrade that card to something like dual tuner (digital and ATSC).

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NetWalk:

20 bucks to play around, it's fair, P4 3ghz 1gb ram waiting for that card, so... only problem is that 40gb HDD will be full in couple of hours of TV :-(

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AndyCap:

NetWalk: my first box ran for quite a while on 160Gb.

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stuartm:

heh, you'll get more than that out of it, a few hours anyway

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NetWalk:

ok

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AndyCap:

NetWalk: and if you're not a packrat like me autoexpire will keep it from overflowing. :P

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stuartm:

my first was an 80GB and if it wasn't for HD, I'd probably have had no real need to upgrade it

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NetWalk:

i'm a OpenSuse guy, so i have now to decide if it's better to go RPMs or just install Mythubuntu !

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j-rod:

if you're an opensuse guy, install opensuse packages

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NetWalk:

ho yeah?

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j-rod:

that's my general take anyway

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j-rod:

if there's a distro you're most comfortable with, it'll be the easiest one to fix/tune/whatever things if you have issues, want to add stuff later, etc

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NetWalk:

i'v already have MySQL running for wordpress on my Suse box

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stuartm:

end of the day, mythbuntu is probably going to be easier for a first time install, but if you want to do any maintenance then unfamiliarity and stupid default behaviours of ubuntu can be maddening

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NetWalk:

i just don't want to crash that ;-(

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j-rod:

I've never had a mysql crash in 7+ years of using mythtv

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NetWalk:

nice to hear

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Beirdo:

I have

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Beirdo:

but that was MY fault

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iamlindoro:

Only ever managed that by filling up /var

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Beirdo:

I ran out of disk space in /ver

[14:09:40]

Beirdo:

rather /var.

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stuartm:

I can't express just how crazy I'm driven by the lack of tab autocomplete on ubuntu's shell, it's a feature I've become heavily dependant upon with mandriva to the extent that I didn't even realise it wasn't standard

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NetWalk:

maybe XBMC will be install on that box too, still thinking about that

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stuartm:

j-rod: I've had several table crashes, but not the mysql server itself – ever

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: Something sounds odd there, I have tab autocomplete on ubuntu boxes

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kormoc:

stuartm: it is a bash standard... are they not using bash?

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NetWalk:

i'v read about plugins in Mythtv, so maybe will not be necessary

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iamlindoro:

I may have switched to bash, I think they use dash by default, maybe

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AndyCap:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh

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AndyCap:

dunno what's default in /etc/passwd

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stuartm:

ok I should qualify that, the one on mandriva is far, far superior to what you get with ubuntu – I can't be more specific without refreshing my memory by playing with my mythbuntu box

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iamlindoro:

JESUS, fricking listings

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iamlindoro:

when they SPOIL THE ENTIRE SHOW

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Beirdo:

hehe

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stuartm:

or maybe it's not the tab autocomplete I'm thinking of, but the history search-complete thing

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iamlindoro:

Take a new show where the main character is trying to be reunited with his wife... the listings two weeks hence begin "After dealing with the death of his wife, etc. etc. etc."

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iamlindoro:

contrast that with LOST, which is getting no descriptions whatsoever this season, which is surely intentional

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stuartm:

ahh, yeah it's the history auto-complete, lets say you have a particular command somewhere in the history, something that you can't remember exactly or takes time to type out, typing the first few characters then hitting PgUp/PgDown in mandriva cycles through the matches

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AndyCap:

stuartm: or do they use some sort of DWIM completion setup like bash-completion?

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AndyCap:

aha

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stuartm:

you can search the history in ubuntu, it's just not as simple

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stuartm:

and without even thinking about it, I use it _all_ the time

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stuartm:

so it's a little maddening when it doesn't work with an ubuntu shell

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Daviey:

sudo nano /etc/inputrc ; uncomment the entires below # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history

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Beirdo:

nano? :)

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Beirdo:

oh why did ubuntu "standardize" on not vi?

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[Peter]:

it did?

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Daviey:

Beirdo: I have ~/.bashrc – alias nano='vim'

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Daviey:

:)

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stuartm:

Daviey: thanks, I owe you a beer (assuming it works as advertised)

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Beirdo:

even easier, Daviey... update-alternatives

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** Daviey burns that offer into his memory. **

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Beirdo:

change your editor default to vim

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iamlindoro:

I actually like Nano :)

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Beirdo:

then the default will be vim any time it uses "EDITOR" env

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iamlindoro:

sacrilege I know :)

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stuartm:

but it makes you wonder why it's not enabled by default, it's not as though PgUp/PgDown server any other purpose in that context

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Beirdo:

nano is a pig, and trains people to not use vi, which is an anti-UNIX thing :)

[14:21:34]

Beirdo:

just my thought :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but of course, I use vim rather than stock vi, so I shouldn't scream too loudly

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Beirdo:

vim is a pig too

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iamlindoro:

I'm just way more proficient with Nano-- can stumble my way through vi/vim, just don't feel conformatble

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stuartm:

I'm going to admit to a dirty secret, I don't really 'get' vi and have only ever learnt the basics

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** Daviey pushes emacs on you all. **

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Beirdo:

having learned unix through sunos/solaris/OSF1/linux... vi is my best friend

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iamlindoro:

"conformatble" good lord, waht was I doing there... comfortable

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iamlindoro:

what

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Beirdo:

I always end up mashing escape in crappy windows editors and having them close on me

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

!trout iamlindoro elementary english

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a elementary english trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

brb

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stuartm:

vi/emacs are what I use to edit plain text configs etc, or just occasionally source code if I'm working over a ssh connection but I'd never consider using either as a replacement for a decent gui editor like kate

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[Peter]:

kate is hardly decent compared to emacs

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[Peter]:

at least for editing source code

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AndyCap:

ooh, editor holy wars

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: what about gvim, or whatever emacs's gui equivalent is

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: that'd be emacs

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stuartm:

Daviey: you are a life saver, suddenly doing trivial tasks on ubuntu sucks a little less

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** mag0o never did understand a gui for vi(m), isn't the biggest point being that you don't need a mouse? **

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Beirdo:

heh. I just use vim :)

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Beirdo:

I use gvim on windoze though

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[Peter]:

stuartm: page up/down is usually not enabled, ctrl-r is the standard

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j-rod:

cscope and vim for kernel fun here

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: same deal really, I just like kate (or similar editors) for lots of little reasons that I'd bore myself trying to explain, tabbed documents being one of the bigger ones

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** wagnerrp uses tabs in gvim **

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GreyFoxx:

I use ctrl-z fg/jobs/bg and so on for that :)

[14:32:01]

wagnerrp:

not intending to argue the merits of one over the other...

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AndyCap:

so where's the teco user?

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stuartm:

[Peter]: ctrl-r is nowhere near as easy to use, and not just because it uses an awkward key combo but the behaviour is very much different + slower

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: ok, well obviously I don't know gvim :) Hardly suprising since I'm a diehard gnome hater

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AndyCap:

ctrl-r more awkward than pgup/dn? keep your fingers on the home row

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** j-rod likes cmd-foo better than ctrl-foo **

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j-rod:

could achieve the same slightly more sane key loc via remapping, of course

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stuartm:

AndyCap: guess it would depend on the keyboard size/layout

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AndyCap:

and finger length. :P

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stuartm:

still the behaviour of pgup/down is still preferable and faster, with less interuption to the flow than the search invoked by Ctrl-r

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stuartm:

and more importantly it's what I know and expect, I can't unlearn years of muscle memory

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jolaren:

Hey lads. I'm trying to connect to my backend and I get prompted with "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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jolaren:

How do I fix this?

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wagnerrp:

grant permissions for your username and account

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jolaren:

usermod -a -G mythtv mythtv and usermod -a -G mythtv video

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

mysql permissions

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jolaren:

I'll try

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jolaren:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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jolaren:

sorry

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jolaren:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -h localhost

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jolaren:

how do i rreconfigure mysql?

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jolaren:

im removing it and reinstalling atm

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Beirdo:

jolaren: sounds like you need to read some documentation :)

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Daviey:

stuartm: heh

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Beirdo:

well, I think buildbot is looking good to me

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wagnerrp:

i probably shouldnt have dropped that bomb about not intending to support external players with storage groups...

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Zirafarafa:

Hi all – hope someone can help

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Zirafarafa:

I have a new mythbackend installation which cannot change channels in LiveTV

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wagnerrp:

you can open livetv, but youre stuck on one channel?

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Zirafarafa:

But, if I set the startup channel in mythtv-setup, it starts on that channel correctly

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Zirafarafa:

wagnerrp: correct

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wagnerrp:

is this a digital tuner?

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Zirafarafa:

It is a bttv card

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wagnerrp:

how are you trying to change channels?

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Zirafarafa:

when I try change the channel in the FE, I cen an irrecoverable error has occurred

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wagnerrp:

you get that error in the frontend logs or the backend logs?

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Zirafarafa:

frontend popup window

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wagnerrp:

dont recall ever seeing that specific error code in mythfrontend

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Zirafarafa:

exact error is 'irrecoverable recorder error'

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wagnerrp:

can you pastebin a copy of your backend logs?

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Zirafarafa:

with which verbose flags?

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wagnerrp:

just plain for now, see if anything shows up

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Zirafarafa:

Here: http://pastebin.com/4upAAGE6

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, 'record,file,network,important'

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Zirafarafa:

I have not yet tried to get audio working, as my frontend has no speakers yet

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wagnerrp:

youre running similar versions of mythtv on both frontend and backend?

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wagnerrp:

the socket connection to the remote backend keeps dropping out

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wagnerrp:

so livetv fails, and the frontend reconnects

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Zirafarafa:

same versions

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Zirafarafa:

is it maybe taking too long to change channel, and timing out?

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wagnerrp:

that wouldnt cause the connection to drop

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wagnerrp:

put on some more verbosity and try again

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Zirafarafa:

will do

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Zirafarafa:

Here is record,file,network,important: http://pastebin.com/Djv9PLzX

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wagnerrp:

'important' needs to be the first item

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wagnerrp:

or you can just use 'most'

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wagnerrp:

seems otherwise 'important' just nullifies whatever came before it

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Zirafarafa:

ok – will try again

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Zirafarafa:

This one looks better: http://pastebin.com/X7n9ucXR

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wagnerrp:

first off, why are you recording to samba?

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Zirafarafa:

A local folder on the backend

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Zirafarafa:

shared via samba to the network

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wagnerrp:

ah, youre just recording to a local disk, not a samba mount

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Zirafarafa:

yes

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt look right

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wagnerrp:

it changes the channel, and tries to continue playback without reconnecting to the new file stream

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Zirafarafa:

I see the following in my FE log:

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wagnerrp:

the old stream is no longer being recorded to, so there is no longer data to send, and the livetv session fails

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Zirafarafa:

readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms.

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Zirafarafa:

Pasted at: http://pastebin.com/WFR9CKUz

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Zirafarafa:

You mean the frontend is meant to reconnect, and fails to do so?

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wagnerrp:

when you change the channel, the backend closes the one recording, and opens another

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wagnerrp:

the frontend should subsequently close the existing file transfer, and open a new one to the new file

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt seem to be doing so

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wagnerrp:

and is continuing to try to hit the old file

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Zirafarafa:

Did older versions of mythtv use NFS for sharing the recordings?

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Zirafarafa:

I seem to recall something like that

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wagnerrp:

several versions ago, it used to require file access

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wagnerrp:

but everything can be streamed from the backend now

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wagnerrp:

which seems to be what is failing

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wagnerrp:

if you mount the recording directly locally on your remote frontend

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend should be able to use that instead

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wagnerrp:

bypassing this issue

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wagnerrp:

but i doesnt make sense why it would be happening in the first place

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Zirafarafa:

In what directory would I mount them?

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wagnerrp:

the same directory it exists on the backend

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Zirafarafa:

I am going to go try on a different frontend (which I wil have to setup quickly)

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jolaren:

seems it doesn't matter what I do, I still get access denied mythtv@localhost using password: yes

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wagnerrp:

jolaren: have you set up the proper permissions in mysql?

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jolaren:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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wagnerrp:

try granting to 'localhost' rather than wildcard

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wagnerrp:

and i dont know if that will even work if the username isnt quoted

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jolaren:

Tried that, no luck. Guess I'll go on and about with mythbuntu again. Do you guys know if it's possible to make the installer not load the 1.20 driver but instead load the old 1.10 driver?

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wagnerrp:

did you do 'flush permissions;'?

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jolaren:

ofcourse

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jolaren:

Nevermind that now, I'm going to install mythbuntu all over again :p.. Is it possible to install the older drivers from the start? Instead of trying to overrun the 1.20 driver with the 1.10 driver

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jolaren:

for the hauppage wintv nova-t 500 pci i mean

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wagnerrp:

thats something you would have to ask in #ubuntu

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jolaren:

Right

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Zirafarafa:

jolaren: % does not include localhost in mysql

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Zirafarafa:

ie, as wagnerrp is correct, you need two grants

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be using such a large grant either

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jolaren:

I see

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wagnerrp:

especially in your case where youre running directly on the internet

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wagnerrp:

i hope youre running some form of firewall

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Zirafarafa:

my other frontend is segfaulting on livetv, so I cannot check there.....

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Zirafarafa:

wagnerrp: Using NFS I get the same problem

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wagnerrp:

do you have mythtv set to always stream from the backend?

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wagnerrp:

do you see see those 'FILETRANSFER' lines in the backend logs?

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Zirafarafa:

no FILETRANSFER lines

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Zirafarafa:

Here is new backend log

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Zirafarafa:

Frontend log talks about ringbuffers and suchlike

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Zirafarafa:

http://pastebin.com/b1UBTZNu

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wagnerrp:

then youre still not opening the new file for some reason

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Zirafarafa:

The actual frontend timeout appears to occur at 'QUERY_RECORDER 1[]:[]SET_CHANNEL[]:[]47' -> readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms.

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Zirafarafa:

In both setups

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jolaren:

Is it usual with antenna drops when searching for channels?

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jolaren:

I've finally got everything to work wagnerrp ;p HD channels are still missing and I can't dare myself to run the mythbuntu updates but everything else plays

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jolaren:

so great sucess

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kormoc:

gbee: GreyFoxx: Ad block plus with the privacy filters does block resources from downloading and keeps you out of analytics/etc

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GreyFoxx:

cool. I've been using a mysql based bind+some squid fu. I build the sql list from manual entires I have put in along with some I pole from a few online lists

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gbee:

kormoc: neat, wonder if anyone has written an adblock for opera :)

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GreyFoxx:

I started doing that when My daughter started using the computers :)

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gbee:

doing it at the router does mean I only have to do it once and I don't have to worry which browser, or machine I'm using on the network

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Zirafarafa:

wagnerrp: Thanks for all the insight so far – I am recompiling with larger timeouts – will see what happens in the morning

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: yeah, I have transparent proxying on my network forcing all the PC's through this . (except for 1 IP I can swap too for testing that noone else knows about that the filter doesn't apply too)

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GreyFoxx:

I remember leaving her playing some nickelodeon Dora the explorer game, and came back 10 minutes later with a dozen popups on the screen, some for porn hehe

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GreyFoxx:

she was upset because they kept getting in front of her game :)

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gbee:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

yay, time to go home

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gbee:

yeah, my router, a netgear hardware device, allows you to define a 'trusted' IP which isn't affected by the filters, but since my main concern is blocking ads/google, I've no real need for it

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dmb:

harro

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dmb:

so is it possible to run mythtv in windowed mode?

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wagnerrp:

dmb: you can set that in the frontend settings

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dmb:

-w :)

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wagnerrp:

or on the commandline with -w or --windowed

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dmb:

any of you own an hvr-1600 :P

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dmb:

wagnerrp: yup, just discovered that :/

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dmb:

should of told me to rtfm :)

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dmb:

having issues when it scans for channels

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dmb:

it freezes like half way

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wagnerrp:

Bill Williamson is my hero

[18:24:07]

bonelifer:

Bill Williamson?

[18:27:27]

** kormoc guesses mailing list? **

[18:27:55]

wagnerrp:

'will mythvideo support me launching my turbotax saved files as videos too?'

[18:28:10]

** kormoc blinks **

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** kormoc double blinks **

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wagnerrp:

absurd response to the complaint of the possibility of the external player support being removed

[18:29:33]

kormoc:

that's... epic...

[18:34:33]

skd5aner:

eh... I'm sure turbotax has considered it <eye roll>

[18:34:48]

skd5aner:

1040 in 1080i

[18:35:47]

wagnerrp:

everyone loves a good reductio ad absurdum

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just curious... why remove external player support?

[18:41:40]

Beirdo:

is there a short answer to that? :)

[18:41:53]

wagnerrp:

because external players dont support storage groups

[18:42:07]

Beirdo:

ahh

[18:42:11]

Beirdo:

gotcha

[18:42:12]

wagnerrp:

and cause all sorts of problems as users come in here wanting support for X unrelated program

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wagnerrp:

although its more often people wanting help with the MythTV XBMC plugin, than mythvideo external players...

[18:42:59]

jolaren:

Is there any smart way to test signal connection? Only place I could think of is during the channelscan

[18:43:45]

bonelifer:

just when things were looking up. this old pci slot usb header has two holes closed on the plug. more time to waste waiting for a new one to show up.

[18:44:15]

Beirdo:

OK, where did the remote go!?

[18:44:31]

bonelifer:

it's by the reclient!!!

[18:44:44]

bonelifer:

recliener even

[18:44:45]

wagnerrp:

check the couch cusions

[18:45:51]

kormoc:

it's in the freezer

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kormoc:

under the frozen corn

[18:46:16]

Beirdo:

under the bed

[18:46:20]

Beirdo:

figures

[18:46:27]

bonelifer:

did you check the cat?

[18:46:40]

bonelifer:

it might of been hungry

[18:46:58]

Beirdo:

ummm

[18:47:09]

skd5aner:

and because the internal player can do almost everything the external ones can do anymore

[18:47:12]

Beirdo:

QGLWidget: no such file or directory

[18:47:15]

Beirdo:

argh

[18:48:17]

frogonwheels:

Ihave 2 tuners, but if I mark 2 programs for record one after the other on the same channel with overlap, then I can no longer get something to record that runs during the overlapped section

[18:48:18]

frogonwheels:

Any clues on why, with 2 tuners, and I record 2 shows on the channel end on end with overlap, I am unable to record another show on a different channel that spans the overlap of the two shows?

[18:48:53]

wagnerrp:

because mythtv will only record one thing at a time per tuner

[18:48:58]

gbee:

s/almost everything/everything/ and much more besides

[18:49:06]

wagnerrp:

it will not record two shows simultaneously off the same tuner

[18:49:14]

wagnerrp:

(unless you have virtual tuners)

[18:49:26]

frogonwheels:

hm.. this used to work

[18:49:39]

wagnerrp:

digital tuner?

[18:49:43]

frogonwheels:

yep

[18:49:45]

Beirdo:

it should be possible off HTDV OTA, but I don't know if it's ever been coded to pull more than one stream from a TS

[18:49:59]

wagnerrp:

add more virtual tuners to the physical tuner in mythtv-setup

[18:50:15]

frogonwheels:

ah

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: has been for several versions

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frogonwheels:

thx, will give that a go.

[18:50:28]

Beirdo:

cool

[18:50:45]

Beirdo:

I wasn't aware of that, I remember talk about it though. Glad that happened

[18:51:22]

Beirdo:

gonna pop a tuner in this box soon... hope it works still :)

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Beirdo:

frigging netsplits

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frogonwheels:

huh weird. one was set up for 2, the other for 1. That would definitely explain it.

[18:55:01]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: definitely I'll be caught up soon :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

mythtv building as we speak

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

Los Simpsons

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Beirdo:

why can't these stations put closed captioning in English as an option?

[19:00:37]

Beirdo:

Oooh yay, I get to record Spanish soap operas in 1080i

[19:00:39]

Beirdo:

hehehe

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gbee:

lucky git

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AndyCap:

Do they have anything like what they parody on Los Simpsons?

[19:01:27]

Beirdo:

Los Simpsons being the Spanish overdub of course

[19:01:43]

Beirdo:

Oooh, The Fugitive... bet it's in Spanish

[19:01:50]

Beirdo:

yup

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AndyCap:

was thinking of the bumblebee guy. :)

[19:02:00]

Beirdo:

they even READ the movie title

[19:02:04]

Beirdo:

oooh

[19:02:05]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:02:19]

Beirdo:

I don't watch the stupid soap operas :)

[19:02:27]

Beirdo:

I have too much self respect

[19:02:51]

Beirdo:

let's put it this way... Shatner could take overacting lessons from some of these actors

[19:03:06]

kormoc:

Meh, it all depends on the role

[19:03:09]

bonelifer:

even their news on seems like the anchors are soap stars.

[19:03:13]

kormoc:

Denny Crane!

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Beirdo:

trust me... he looks like a GREAT actor compared to the hacks on these soap operas

[19:04:15]

Beirdo:

something about being the culture or something, I dunno

[19:04:43]

gbee:

kormoc: I've only seen a couple of episodes, but wasn't he intentionally parodying himself in that role?

[19:04:51]

bonelifer:

steven segal.

[19:04:59]

Beirdo:

It's hard to say, gbee :)

[19:05:09]

kormoc:

I think it's intentional ;)

[19:05:18]

bonelifer:

You know his career tanked because of the FBI, don't you. He said so himself.

[19:05:31]

Beirdo:

he's a cop, you know

[19:05:33]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:05:37]

Beirdo:

or so the TV says

[19:05:43]

Beirdo:

Segal that is

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kormoc:

He's a lawyer with mad cow!

[19:06:06]

kormoc:

Segal is the worse cop in the world

[19:06:11]

Beirdo:

Denny Crane is definitely a good role

[19:06:13]

bonelifer:

yeah, that's crazy. at least van dam had drugs to blame

[19:06:19]

kormoc:

"Brother, you need to put down that gun and center your zen!"

[19:06:29]

Beirdo:

Segal would be a better cop than some of the meatheads out there, I'm sure

[19:06:50]

Beirdo:

at least people recognize him and don't want him to roundhouse kick them

[19:06:51]

kormoc:

Beirdo: nah, he's too crazy middle east to be a good cop...

[19:06:59]

gbee:

heh, now talking about actors parodying themselves, VD played himself in a self-titled movie doing exactly that

[19:07:11]

bonelifer:

Like the Chicago cop that tazer a guy in diabetic seizure. When they had called for an ambulance

[19:07:36]

Chicago:

it probably happens all the time

[19:07:39]

Beirdo:

Segal may be a poser, but I doubt he's as dangerous as some of the meatheads

[19:07:56]

Beirdo:

useless, perhaps :)

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Beirdo:

oooh next compile error

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Beirdo:

SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE was not declared

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Beirdo:

sigh

[19:08:49]

bonelifer:

I say, if you want to be a cop, then at the end of the academy training you should have to go on the local affiliate news and allow yourself to be tazer in your privates. :)

[19:10:35]

jtee:

i am having trouble with the EPG flashing during live tv using a pvr-150 card

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gbee:

if you _want_ to be a cop, then most of the time you're probably exactly the sort of person who shouldn't be one

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Beirdo:

gbee: I think the same goes for president or prime minister

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gbee:

Beirdo: even more so

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Beirdo:

aye

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** Beirdo shakes his fist at his build box **

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Beirdo:

won't compile.

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Beirdo:

seems my alsa libs may be too old

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Beirdo:

find /usr/include/alsa -exec grep -H SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE {} \;

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Beirdo:

that gives me nothing... so audiooutputalsa.cpp fails

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

gbee: that give you any output?

[19:17:38]

Beirdo:

on the myth box where ya compile of course :)

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clever:

this reminds me

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gbee:

/usr/include/alsa/pcm.h:#define SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE 0x00010000

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clever:

the alsa libs on my ubuntu systems are all too old

[19:19:29]

gbee:

so, er yes

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clever:

on ubuntu it turns up nothing and wont compile at all

[19:19:50]

Beirdo:

OK, my version of libasound2 is too old

[19:19:51]

clever:

on gentoo, it gets the same as gbee

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clever:

what was the fix for ubuntu?

[19:19:59]

Beirdo:

clever: what version of ubuntu?

[19:20:28]

clever:

Beirdo: 8.04

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Beirdo:

me too

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna selectively forklift upgrade that lib

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clever:

every dist-upgrade i do breaks everything

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clever:

so i try to avoid them

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh, I'm nto doing dist-upgrade

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Beirdo:

uh uh

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clever:

first, it broke lirc receiving

[19:21:22]

Beirdo:

I need xen on that box

[19:21:34]

clever:

then it broke lirc blasting, including lirc compile

[19:21:45]

clever:

so i had to cobble together an older kernel and backed up lirc modules

[19:21:51]

clever:

then another dist-upgrade broke ivtv

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Beirdo:

gah

[19:22:21]

clever:

so i moved the card to a dedicated box i could reboot without harm and its been semi-ok since

[19:22:31]

clever:

aslong as i use the pre 8.04 kernel and old modules

[19:22:31]

Beirdo:

I'm gonna upgrade ONLY libasound2-dev and whatever it sucks in

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clever:

lirc still doesnt compile

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gbee:

Beirdo I'm not sure what version you need, but I have 1.0.21 here

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Beirdo:

and I intend to add a check into configure

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Beirdo:

if it must be > a certain version, let's be checking that

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Beirdo:

1.0.15 here

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clever:

ive heard you can just grab the alsa source and compile that

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clever:

the userspace side

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Beirdo:

upgrading to 1.0.17a (from intrepid)

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gbee:

that's libalsa2, no such package as libasound on mandriva

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Beirdo:

and it works

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clever:

1.0.20 i think on gentoo, for media-sound/alsa-headers

[19:24:43]

gbee:

1.0.17 has been around for a while

[19:24:43]

clever:

1.0.20-r1 for media-libs/alsa-lib

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Beirdo:

so it's either >= 1.0.16 or >= 1.0.17

[19:24:58]

Beirdo:

8.04 LTS is from April 2008 :)

[19:25:03]

gbee:

clever: /usr/sbin/alsactrl -v

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clever:

-bash: /usr/sbin/alsactrl: No such file or directory

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Beirdo:

but it's the last one that will support xen (that I have)

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Beirdo:

less /usr/include/alsa/version.h

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Beirdo:

:)

[19:25:34]

Beirdo:

that's the other way

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gbee:

Beirdo: and debian/ubuntu are hardly cutting edge distros, they lag behind others

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clever:

1.0.15 is borked

[19:26:14]

Beirdo:

well, I'm using a 2 year old version of the distro

[19:26:16]

kormoc:

especially in init systems ;)

[19:26:23]

clever:

1.0.20 is good, same as what i found thru the package manager

[19:26:25]

Beirdo:

the latest is definitely cutting edge in comparison

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Beirdo:

1.0.17a from intrepid lets me compile

[19:27:06]

Beirdo:

switched the apt sources to intrepid, apt-get update; apt-get install libasound2-dev

[19:27:17]

Beirdo:

changed it back to hardy

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gbee:

Beirdo: aye, we just had this discussion the other week, how even the latest Ubuntu was using older versions of some lib than other distros

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gbee:

they tend to be more conservative

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Beirdo:

which is a good thing, really

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Beirdo:

wildly using latest versions with no regression testing is painful

[19:28:20]

Beirdo:

but yeah

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clever:

gentoo makes things alot simpler

[19:28:40]

Beirdo:

no it doesn't

[19:28:46]

Beirdo:

it's always cutting edge

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clever:

depends on what flags i set

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gbee:

if it really brings stability, I'm not really aware that ubuntu is recognised as being any more stable than other distros

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Beirdo:

and cutting edge often cuts you

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Beirdo:

gbee: good point :)

[19:29:08]

clever:

~x86 gives me newer versions then just x86

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Beirdo:

and voila.

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Beirdo:

has mythtv

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

need to install that air2pc now

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Beirdo:

let's shut er down

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gbee:

Beirdo: go on, live dangerously, I'm sure you can hotplug it ;)

[19:33:46]

bonelifer:

who needs a power switch do right from the panel

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

any idea if the Hauppauge WinTV-D ever got supported?

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dmb:

anyone own an hvr 1600?

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** Aniya i can't believe this!!!! who the f*ck are you to do this, DIEGOPOP??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAMMiiAcSjk **

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Beirdo:

seems like a no from linuxtv.org

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Beirdo:

Aniya: language

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Beirdo:

BRB, time to install the air2pc

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dashcloud:

hi, I'm aware the an Ion PC is the standard now for HD material- but what low-cost choice do I have for connecting to an SD tv?

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kormoc:

a ion is too much?

[19:45:39]

Beirdo:

let's try this again

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Beirdo:

lspci doesn't even see it

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Beirdo:

this box is a pain to insert cards in

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dashcloud:

kormoc: my SD tv only has composite inputs

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joel_:

I pick Polish by mistake when chosing language, is there any easy to way to correct this?

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bonelifer:

joel_ google translate tell me the word English is Angielski in polish if that helps

[20:03:03]

jolaren:

bonelifer, that much I know off :-)

[20:03:12]

jolaren:

just wished I had another comp to check it out on

[20:04:58]

jolaren:

Its solved now

[20:05:05]

jolaren:

a polish friend vnced to my computer and checked

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jolaren:

hehe

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Beirdo:

blargh

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Beirdo:

I think the card's dead

[20:09:53]

Beirdo:

either that or the PCI bus won't give it the right voltage

[20:10:10]

Beirdo:

sigh

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: you have the right version of pci in the machine?

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jolaren:

I was thinking about setting up a transmission daemon (torrent downloader), can I view my files from the Media Device thing under Mythtv?

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jolaren:

The regular formats sure, but can it like play rars?

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iamlindoro:

There is no valid use case to play a rar file besides theft

[20:45:12]

iamlindoro:

Also, mention of torrents is a violation of channel rules

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Bittorrent

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bbigras_:

Is there a way to force the upnp server to scan for new files?

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Beirdo:

AndyCap: no clue

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jolaren:

iamlindoro, Alright. Ofcourse. Doesn't have to be theft. Saves space with rars – but point taken. Duely noticed

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iamlindoro:

no, no space is saved in a rar over codec compression

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iamlindoro:

with video, it is used *purely* to segment the file and provide parity

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jolaren:

Really? not even audio files?

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iamlindoro:

really

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sphery:

Aren't rar's just used to allow breaking up a large file into small downloads

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iamlindoro:

<iamlindoro> with video, it is used *purely* to segment the file and provide parity

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iamlindoro:

yup

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jolaren:

Oh I see

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sphery:

well, if you used smaller words, I'd have known you were saying the same thing :)

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sphery:

In today's world where even GNU/Linux distro CD's and DVD's are distributed as single downloads, I don't even get the point of using a rar to break things up, but then again, I'm not a part of the community that uses them.

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, I need a DBA to tune my brain

[21:02:15]

Aval0n:

hey does anyone in here use 1394 to record hdtv?

[21:02:41]

sphery:

Not I. I'm OTA only.

[21:02:57]

Aval0n:

cool

[21:03:05]

Aval0n:

I am considering getting tv service

[21:03:08]

Aval0n:

but I still wanna use the HTPC

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Aval0n:

to record my stuff

[21:03:19]

Aval0n:

and I'm not sure which services it's possible with

[21:03:23]

Aval0n:

cox offers a STB with firewire

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Aval0n:

but they use 5c encryption

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sphery:

from what I understand, whether it's possible with firewire is very dependent on where you're at

[21:03:35]

kormoc:

get a hdpvr and enjoy it all?

[21:03:36]

Aval0n:

on all premium chans

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sphery:

any encrypted you can't use with Myth--only through a STB and an HD-PVR

[21:03:58]

Aval0n:

doesn't getting an hdpvr render mythtv useless?

[21:04:24]

jolaren:

http://www.irblaster.info/?gclid=CJKcreGljKACFUl_3godSQ31eA

[21:04:29]

sphery:

No, it provides a way for MythTV to capture analog output of a set-top box

[21:04:30]

jolaren:

that is one cool setup for mythtv

[21:04:50]

AndyCap:

Aval0n: a hauppauge HD-PVR component hd capture card

[21:05:05]

AndyCap:

not a hdpvr box from your cable co

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sphery:

ahhh... I see where the confusion came in.

[21:05:27]

AndyCap:

I guess card is the wrong term for a usb device though. :P

[21:05:36]

Aval0n:

interesting

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Aval0n:

so you channel change with the firewire

[21:05:44]

bonelifer:

cool setup? That just looks like a serial IR receiver to me.

[21:05:53]

jolaren:

bonelifer, I like the box

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Aval0n:

and record via the component?

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sphery:

I guess I haven't done enough shopping for cable services/STB's to think of it as a DVR STB

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jolaren:

bonelifer, looks like a car stereo

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Aval0n:

is it still reliable quality using component?

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Aval0n:

no weird calibration problems or video centering issues?

[21:07:10]

Aval0n:

that was the one nice thing about hdmi

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Aval0n:

or dvi

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jarrod1:

I couldn't get component working, didn't try too long though. moved on to DVI

[21:08:00]

jarrod1:

resolution was like vga size

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jarrod1:

when I wanted 720p

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bonelifer:

joraren I want to saw that is a cable set top box and not an htpc. ie the thing the blaster is made to control.

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

anyone know if directv usues 5c encryption?

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Aval0n:

!seen torg

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MythLogBot:

torg was last seen 726 days 22 hours 40 minutes 10 seconds ago

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Aval0n:

holy shit

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sphery:

language, please :) thanks.

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Aval0n:

sorry

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sphery:

directv uses some other encryption, so you'd have to use an HD-PVR with it (and Dish network)

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jarrod1:

hey I have a question on LIRC.. my remote can be configured to send a command either once, or 3 times in a row. when its set to send 3, mythtv responds as if it was 3 button presses, unless I make the "gap" variable longer in lircd.conf. then myth sees it as one pulse. but of course holding down the button makes it appear as one pulse too.. any way I can make 3 pulses in a row appear as one press, and any more than this cause it to repeat?

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Aval0n:

is it not 720p like jarrod mentioned?

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sphery:

jarrod1: delay = 3

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sphery:

jarrod1: or delay = 5

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sphery:

jarrod1: or repeat = 3

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jarrod1:

in lircrc?

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sphery:

or some combination, thereof

[21:12:52]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

in the stanza for the button

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jarrod1:

what exactly does that do?

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sphery:

delay is the delay before it starts sending repeats and repeat says "if you get 3 signals, treat it as one button press"

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jarrod1:

I tried repeat = 3, and I played around with delay

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jarrod1:

ok

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kormoc:

Aval0n: I have a hdpvr, I capture in 720p but have worked fine for 1080i, no issues

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sphery:

but repeat is forever and delay is only at the start

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jarrod1:

that sounds like exactly what I want

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** Beirdo plays taps a dirge for his air2pc card **

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Beirdo:

or a even

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Beirdo:

it's dead, Jim

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sphery:

time for an air3pc card? :)

[21:14:48]

Beirdo:

time for me to give up

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Beirdo:

I'm down to bttv crap or my PVR250s

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Beirdo:

neither of which will help me test any HDTV stuff :)

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sphery:

After HDTV, I'd really have to think before going back to PVR-x50... I'd likely decide missing shows is better.

[21:16:21]

Beirdo:

well, all the channels here suck

[21:16:33]

Beirdo:

but I wanted to record a pile of stuff so I can test things

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Beirdo:

but noooo

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jolaren:

When watching HD channels my center speaker isn't sending

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bonelifer:

in linux if I have a bluetooth usb adapter that supports A2DP(stereo) linux should be able to send the sound to the bluetooth receiver right?

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jolaren:

What's wrong? Audio settings?

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kormoc:

jolaren: perhaps your center ear is just dirty and needs a cleaning

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sphery:

bonelifer: with proper audio system configuration, yeah

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sphery:

proper config is left as an exercise to the reader :)

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bonelifer:

ok, just making sure before I make the purchase of a receiver via dealextreme.com

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jolaren:

kormoc, works just fine in SD channels

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jolaren:

Can it be that it tries to decode DTS or something and it can't do that? cuz I can hear all the side noice

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kormoc:

jolaren: there's so many variables that it's hard to say

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jarrod1:

what sort of receiver do you have?

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jarrod1:

digital audio link?

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dmb:

i'm having issues with mythtv

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dmb:

and my hvr-1600 :(

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dmb:

when I go to watch livetv

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dmb:

it says loading

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dmb:

then goes back to the menu

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** Beirdo hates computers tonight **

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jarrod1:

sphery, what you suggested didn't work. I PM'd you details

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sphery:

jarrod1: you'll probably need a combination of repeat and delay and you'll need to specify a proper gap

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sphery:

I can't give you anything more than that because I'm sure I'm not using the same remote, so I don't know how yours needs set up.

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jarrod1:

the thing is, if I specify a gap which encompass the two pulses from one button press, if i then hold down the button it still sees it as one button press

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sphery:

but repeat and delay do exactly what they claim to do on my setup

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sphery:

jarrod1: with repeat = 0 (which is the default--and you don't have repeat specified, so...), that's exactly the behavior you'd get

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jarrod1:

our lircrc should be compadible... ish. can you paste an example of how you use repeat and delay?

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jarrod1:

should I make repeat = 2 and delay = 2?

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sphery:

that's a good start, then adjust as desired

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jarrod1:

according to lirc.org for repeat " A value of zero tells the program to ignore repeated keys."

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sphery:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1808890

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sphery:

exactly--which is what I said above

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sphery:

(ok, didn't say it outright, but that's where I was going with my statement)

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jarrod1:

oh ok. so if that is the default why do I get repeats anyway

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sphery:

likely because your remote/lirc driver manages its own "is this a repeat or not" indicator

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sphery:

like mine sends a code that says the button and the number of the repeat (1,2,3,4,5,6,...). if for some reason (broken gap setting, RF interference, ...) it sends 1,2,3,1,2,3,4 , that's 2 presses regardless of repeat and delay settings

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jarrod1:

depending on how I set gap in lircd.conf, the output of irw can be ... 00 up... ...00 up...

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jarrod1:

or ...00 up.. ..01 up...

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sphery:

yep, so when it goes 0,1,0,1, that's 2 and repeat and delay won't help

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jarrod1:

I under stand that

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jarrod1:

but, if I hold down the button with the later settings I get 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 etc

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sphery:

so the later setting is what you want, then set repeat and delay properly

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jarrod1:

which is understod by lircrc as one press

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jarrod1:

where as I want it to be like 00 01 00 01 00 01 when I hold down a key

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sphery:

no, you want 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7, then tell lirc delay = 5 and repeat = 2 and it will see 0,1,2,3,4 as one press, then at 5 send a repeat, then at 7 send a repeat, then...

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jarrod1:

ok I will give that a go.

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jarrod1:

that makes sense

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pete27:

I'm running mythtv 23562 on ATI Radeon 4670 with HDMI video/audio and fglrx. I am using a WinTV HDTV pci card, i forget the model. I can scan for channels, and get a lock, but it says 'failed o reinitialize video'. I tried both OpenGL and Qt.

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jolaren:

When watching HD channels I get sparkling sound from my speakers.. I disabled surround and let it play Stereo (it made the correct speakers play) but I hear stutter at sometimes when watching HD channels ;/

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sphery:

pete27: Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen, change the playback profile group to Slim

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pete27:

ok, I'll give it a try

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pete27:

wow, it worked! Thanks!

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pete27:

mostly

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Beirdo:

darn

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jarrod1:

thx sphery, works quite well now

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sphery:

jarrod1: great... enjoy

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jarrod1:

my understanding of how it worked was a bit twisted. sorry for the argument, I just needed to get it I suppose

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sphery:

No problem... As far as lirc fixing usually goes, that was no argument. I normally don't help people with LIRC because it can be such a pain. :)

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jarrod1:

tell me about it :P

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sphery:

and, besides, understanding /how/ it works is really just as important as making it work

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jarrod1:

the problem with lirc is probably that its too configurable

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sphery:

yeah

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pete27:

Any ide how to get the KDE plasma bar hidden?

[22:04:39]

sphery:

I love the configurability, but I'd have to have to go through the pain of leaning it again.

[22:05:12]

sphery:

pete27: set a GUI offset or tell Myth to run in a window... It will be fixed in 0.23

[22:05:30]

jarrod1:

hehe got an answer for everything?

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pete27:

sphery: yeah, seriously, thanks for hte help

[22:05:58]

skd5aner:

at one point I tried to get around LIRC by just buying an IR keyboard and trying to learn the keys from the the keyboard on my harmony remote so that it would act directly as a keyboard

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jarrod1:

how did that go?

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sphery:

jarrod1: I have an answer for everything. Occasionally, one of them is even correct. :)

[22:06:51]

skd5aner:

no so well, the theory was good, but the keyboard had a seperate code for key press an key release, but the remote wasn't capable of the same

[22:07:28]

skd5aner:

I still use the keyboard though, sitting 12" from me as we speak

[22:07:46]

skd5aner:

in fact, I stopped using my remote all together to control myth – just use keyboards (for now)

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jarrod1:

at one point I was considering programming a microcontroller to decode the IR from a remote and emulate a PS2 keyboard to avoid lirc

[22:08:21]

skd5aner:

I have a REALLY nice remote, a nevo q50, but just haven't gotten around to programming it

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jarrod1:

I think there is even code for a atmega somewhere on the net for just that

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skd5aner:

that was my idea – it's feasible, just not with the IR keyboard I had

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dmb:

ok so... 2010-02–24 21:10:26.156 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel

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dmb:

anyone every see that before?

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dmb:

pete27: do you have an hvr 1600?

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dmb:

one of the analog/qam/atsc models?

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pete27:

sphery: so what dmb: I have an hdpvr-1250 according to lspci

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pete27:

oops

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pete27:

dmb: I have an hdpvr-1250 according to lspci

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dmb:

oh

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

HVR or HDPVR?

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pete27:

I just set up mythvideo with the dir of some movie files and they don't so up in the media library. The drive/dirs are readable.

[22:37:40]

pete27:

Do I have to trigger a scan somehow?

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pete27:

yep

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I think he meant which one

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wagnerrp:

there is no such thing as a HDPVR-1250

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wagnerrp:

either you have HDPVR, or you have HVR-1250

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iamlindoro:

It's bad info in the pciid db

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmuller and I went through this with a guy the other day in #linuxtv

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iamlindoro:

Some slacker put it in for one id for the HVR-1200

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Beirdo:

how wankerific

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wagnerrp:

is that a new version? mine just reports 'Device 7911'

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iamlindoro:

Probably new-ish

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dmb:

heh

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Michael_TX:

does anyone know where o find a good guide to setting up mythtv for a linux newbie?

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dmb:

iamlindoro: devinheitmuller owns an hvr 1600 right?

[22:48:02]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmuller works for the company that makes them

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iamlindoro:

so access isn't much of an issue

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and nice

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wagnerrp:

so him, mkrufky, isnt there a third?

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Beirdo:

if he doesn't own one, I'm sure he can have one for a short time as needed :)

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iamlindoro:

I actually take that back, I was thinking of stoth

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmuller is a v4l dev, just doesn't work for haupp

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Beirdo:

ah, K. Still cool to have people there that are myth-friendly

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pete27:

Anyone know how to get mythvideo to use mplayer? I entered mplayer -fs into the Default Video Player box and set it up for mkv files, but it doesn' work

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wagnerrp:

any reason not to use the 'Internal' player?

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pete27:

Yes, I can pass digital audio to my receiver over HDMI, internal player doesn't seem to do that

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wagnerrp:

works just fine for me

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pete27:

So the audio is downsampled to stereo

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jolaren:

Is it possible to use VDPAU for everything else but HD channels?

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jolaren:

On HD channels I want to use the processor ++ profile

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[R]:

jolaren: any reason?

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wagnerrp:

you can not mix and match playback profiles

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[R]:

jolaren: that sounds kinda stupid and backwards though

[22:53:30]

jolaren:

[R], vdpau lags on HD

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wagnerrp:

however you can specify different decoders based off resolution

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[R]:

jolaren: then you've got something setup wrong

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jolaren:

[R], I don't know what could be setup wrong tho

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[R]:

jolaren: if your processor can handle the hd

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jolaren:

Perhaps codecs..

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[R]:

then wahts the point of using vdpau for sd

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jolaren:

to put the load of the processor

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dmb:

oh

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[R]:

jolaren: huh?

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** Beirdo scratches his head **

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jolaren:

[R], vdpau goes of the gpu, right? and processor ++ of the cpu

[22:55:09]

jolaren:

or have I gotten this all wrong?

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[R]:

yes... so if you play hd on the cpu

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[R]:

that means your cpu can handle it... so it can most deefintley handle the sd

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Beirdo:

heh

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jolaren:

[R], Yes, the processor can handle the SD.. but I'd like to use my processor power for else things

[22:56:03]

[R]:

the cool thing about linux

[22:56:06]

[R]:

you can actually do 2 things at once

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jolaren:

mind to elaborate?

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** Beirdo blinks **

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[R]:

it can be playing back the crappy sd

[22:56:28]

[R]:

AND doing other things also

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wagnerrp:

linux is multithreaded

[22:56:41]

wagnerrp:

it can do multiple things simultaneously

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jolaren:

I know but I have 4 frontends apart from my backend/frontend

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[R]:

and?

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[R]:

they are all running on the same computer?

[22:57:05]

jolaren:

no

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[R]:

ok so the fact that you hav 4 frontends means...

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wagnerrp:

so this is a frontend-only box/

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jolaren:

I just think it would be more suitable to use the vdpau for videoplayback but I guess if you lot say it's no problem to use the cpu i guess i'll take your word for it..

[22:57:47]

jolaren:

No this is a front/backend

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Beirdo:

so use vdpau

[22:58:06]

jolaren:

hd lags

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Beirdo:

I'm confused here

[22:58:15]

jolaren:

high definition channels lag

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Beirdo:

lags from what to what?

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jolaren:

the picture display

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iamlindoro:

if HD "lags", then you are using a deinterlacer your hardware is incapable of, or you're not using VDPAU

[22:58:52]

wagnerrp:

what card do you have?

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Beirdo:

what is lagging with relation to what?

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jolaren:

wagnerrp, the hauppage dvb-t nova 500 pci card

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Beirdo:

the picture with respect to the audio? or is it just a delay from control to playback?

[22:59:23]

wagnerrp:

graphics card

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wagnerrp:

thing youre using vdpau with

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jolaren:

Beirdo, the picutre gets lagged.. dont know what to say..

[22:59:30]

Beirdo:

what are you trying to say?

[22:59:41]

jolaren:

it's like a paper that gets torn.. switch and it's over

[22:59:52]

jolaren:

like 0.3 sec disturbance every fifth second or something like that

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Beirdo:

ah

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wagnerrp:

like iamlindoro stated, they only reason you would have trouble playing HD through VDPAU is problems with the deinterlacer

[23:00:17]

wagnerrp:

either your GPU is not powerful enough to handle it

[23:00:29]

wagnerrp:

or youre using a 2x deint, on a monitor thats not fast enough

[23:00:50]

jolaren:

I have two comps connected to the screen

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jolaren:

the other comp can play 1080p no proboem

[23:01:01]

jolaren:

so must be the deint thingy

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iamlindoro:

jolaren, wagnerrp asked you what GPU you are using

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jolaren:

NVIDIA GeForce 8200

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jolaren:

I am sorry, I was looking up the name of the integrated card

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iamlindoro:

Then that is the very bottom end device you can use VDPAU with

[23:02:05]

jolaren:

I didn't know

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iamlindoro:

it's not going to be capable of much at all

[23:02:12]

wagnerrp:

then youre rather limited in what deinterlacers you can use with 1080i content

[23:02:44]

jolaren:

can I change the deinterlacer (I'm sorry I don't even know what that is)

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iamlindoro:

just use the VDPAU Slim profile

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iamlindoro:

which will use the worst deinterlacers

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jolaren:

oh, rite

[23:04:51]

jolaren:

Might that be the reason for the sound-problems while watchin HD material?

[23:06:08]

Beirdo:

could be related, I guess.

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jolaren:

There's pci-e cards for 40 euro

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jolaren:

might be worth pursashing

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jolaren:

or i'll just stick to my cpu useage

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jolaren:

guess it wont be problem

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jolaren:

Even cpu++ causes a lil bit of lag

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jolaren:

a 3ghz amd processor

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[R]:

playing sd?

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jolaren:

no HD

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[R]:

of course its going to

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[R]:

your processor can't handle it... hence the reason for vdpau

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jolaren:

my processor is playing HD now almost.. like 95% good

[23:23:20]

jolaren:

98% good

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jolaren:

but I guess then it's understandable

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[R]:

lol

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jolaren:

I'll need to get a pci-e card for the hdtv playback

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[R]:

so it doesnt work with vdpau slim?

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kormoc:

vdpau doesn't work so well without a vdpau capable video card

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jolaren:

it's lagging a bit more then cpu++

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iamlindoro:

you shouldn't be using CPU++

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iamlindoro:

You should be using Slim

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jolaren:

kormoc, the card is vdpau capable according to the myth wiki

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joel_:

I'll invest in a pci-e card which is better than the built in one

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iamlindoro:

There is no reason to invest in anything, just choose a proper playback profile

[23:31:14]

iamlindoro:

Use VDPAU Slim if you want to use VDPAU, use Slim if you want to use the CPU.

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iamlindoro:

and if it really came down to it, edit the profiles, use VDPAU and disable the deinterlacers entirely, though there shouldn't be any reason to do that far, the basic VDPAU deinterlacers will work fine with any content you like

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jolaren:

everything is fine with the vdpau slim.. except for some stuttering in hd playback

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jolaren:

but it could be to other reasons, i'll invest even more time tomorrow in how to update driver to 195 instead of 185 that is running now

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jolaren:

thanks for all inputs

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MTughan_web:

I'm having trouble with a backend server. All frontends say they can't connect to the server, but the backend is running, and without any errors in the log from what I can see. Anything I can check?

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jolaren:

what are the errors from the frontend MTughan_web?

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MTughan_web:

jolaren: I don't have any errors.

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MTughan_web:

Oh, from the frontend... One sec.

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MTughan_web:

"Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"

[23:36:11]

MTughan_web:

Yes to both.

[23:37:10]

jolaren:

Have you setup a correct ip?

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jolaren:

Are you trying to connect from outside the network?

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MTughan_web:

The setup was working earlier in the week. Nothing should've changed.

[23:37:38]

MTughan_web:

And no, it's in the same LAN.

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jolaren:

Changed user?

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MTughan_web:

Even the frontend on the same computer as the backend won't run.

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jolaren:

hum

[23:39:17]

jolaren:

tried a reboot?

[23:39:21]

jolaren:

or restarting the mysql service

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Beirdo:

tried beer?

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MTughan_web:

Restart of the backend, yes. Nothing else yet.

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Beirdo:

for you, not the computere

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MTughan_web:

Restart of MySQL didn't help. I shut down the backend before doing it, and then brought it up again afterwards. No dice.

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Beirdo:

why is it... every time I see moguls on TV, I get the desire to drive a snowmobile down the mogul hill?

[23:41:50]

Beirdo:

MTughan_web: check /etc/hosts

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MTughan_web:

For what?

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Beirdo:

make sure the name isn't being mapped to 127.0.0.1

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Beirdo:

it could just be a bad name/ip matchup

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MTughan_web:

I have "127.0.0.1 localhost"

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MTughan_web:

Would that cause it?

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Beirdo:

are you telling it to use localhost for the backend (in setup)?

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MTughan_web:

For the frontend.

[23:43:14]

MTughan_web:

But another frontend on a different computer is using its actual IP address, and that's not working either.

[23:43:19]

sphery:

MTughan_web: did you set the Security PIN?

[23:43:25]

MTughan_web:

No.

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Beirdo:

I would suggest against EVER using localhost, personally. It often ends up with odd problems.

[23:44:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah... like not working

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MTughan_web:

Wait a minute, the remote frontend is working now...

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sphery:

Security Pin (Required): Pin code required for a frontend to connect to the backend. Blank prevents all connections, 0000 allows any client to connect.

[23:44:15]

sphery:

in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend will not work if you tell it to listen on 'localhost'

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sphery:

and if you have a remote backend you can *not* use localhost anywhere

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sphery:

or a remote frontend

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MTughan_web:

Okay, it's all working now. Looks like it needed a MySQL restart and s/localhost/127.0.0.1/. Thanks.

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Beirdo:

wonder how far I can throw an almost empty Antec Sonata case?

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wagnerrp:

a straight toss? are are you taking a windup?

[23:46:48]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:47:04]

Beirdo:

Ooooh, could use one of those big water-balloon launchers

[23:47:14]

Beirdo:

FORE!

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MTughan_web:

If you were going to shout fore, get a trebuchet. :P

[23:48:16]

Beirdo:

ooooh

[23:48:30]

Beirdo:

put the monitor in there next... although it works

[23:48:37]

MTughan_web:

CRT?

[23:48:40]

Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

nah, the CRT would be the counterweight

[23:48:48]

MTughan_web:

It'll shatter good... >:D

[23:49:06]

Beirdo:

should go toss things at McDonalds or something

[23:49:14]

Beirdo:

nah, they'd sue

[23:49:18]

wagnerrp:

you should toss small rodents

[23:49:38]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:49:49]

MTughan_web:

Toss eggs. They can use them for breakfasts.

[23:50:03]

Beirdo:

sigh. Well, I guess I will have to setup a PVR250

[23:50:06]

Beirdo:

bah

[23:50:20]

** MTughan_web has a PVR350 set up **

[23:50:21]

Beirdo:

analog capture out of the crappy HD box

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MTughan_web:

Not really our primary tuner anymore though, but it's our only analog tuner.

[23:50:53]

Beirdo:

I used to run 3 PVR250s off analog cable

[23:51:00]

Beirdo:

plus a bttv card for backup

[23:51:06]

Beirdo:

those were teh days :)

[23:51:24]

Beirdo:

and I often had all 4 recording

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MTughan_web:

We've got 2 ATSC tuners plus the NTSC tuner now.

[23:52:52]

Beirdo:

in a while I'll start rebuilding...

[23:52:55]

** mag0o is still living in 'the days' **

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Beirdo:

but not in the budget right now

[23:53:06]

Beirdo:

you have analog cable?

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jolaren:

iamlindoro, plays smooth now after updating the nvidia driver with avenards repo =)

[23:53:17]

mag0o:

yup

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Beirdo:

mag0o: lucky you :)

[23:53:36]

MTughan_web:

Beirdo: Still, yeah. Only way we can get some channels here.

[23:53:39]

** MTughan_web in Canada **

[23:53:46]

Beirdo:

the quality may not be the same, but you can put as many tuners as ya want

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jamesd2:

finds digital rabit ears or even digital coat hanger better than analog cable ;-)

[23:53:52]

jolaren:

MTughan_web, Are you watchin the game?

[23:53:57]

MTughan_web:

jolaren: Which one?

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I was in Toronto toing that, MTughan_web

[23:54:03]

mag0o:

not really :) just using composite out of dishnetwork into compro gold tv card

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jolaren:

MTughan_web, I meant Canada – Russia

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Beirdo:

jamesd2: that depends on where you are

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MTughan_web:

jolaren: We watched it, yeah.

[23:54:49]

jolaren:

MTughan_web, I watched it to.. what a game

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Beirdo:

here in Puerto Rico... ATSC is pointless, and craptacular, and mostly stupid Spanish soap operas

[23:55:18]

Beirdo:

MTughan_web: score? I can't get the hockey games, darnit!

[23:55:28]

MTughan_web:

Beirdo: 7–3 Canada

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Beirdo:

wow.

[23:55:37]

Beirdo:

Nice :)

[23:55:48]

Beirdo:

too bad they didn't do that to USA first round, but anyways

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MTughan_web:

So if you were in Toronto before, surely you know that you can't get channels like TVO over the air yet.

[23:56:26]

Beirdo:

Certainly not when I was there

[23:56:33]

Beirdo:

there was no ATSC in Toronto then

[23:56:34]

Beirdo:

:)

[23:56:36]

MTughan_web:

You still can't get it.

[23:56:43]

MTughan_web:

Heh, that's a good reason. :P

[23:56:43]

Beirdo:

I moved out May 2006

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Beirdo:

I could get Buffalo ATSC though :)

[23:56:56]

MTughan_web:

One of the reasons we're not getting rid of ATSC is TVO, among some others.

[23:57:08]

Beirdo:

I was in Harbourfront... 19 floors or so up

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MTughan_web:

We get CBC, CTV, City, and Omni at least over OTA now.

[23:57:53]

Beirdo:

the first 3 are OK

[23:57:54]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:58:06]

MTughan_web:

Global too, although we rarely watch it.

[23:58:09]

jolaren:

I missed half the game but I atleast managed to record it (I record all hockey games I can in HD) just love to watch high quality sports

[23:58:29]

Beirdo:

I miss CBC, in fact

[23:58:32]

Beirdo:

radio and TV

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Beirdo:

my weekly Air Farce fix

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MTughan_web:

Radio you can listen to online.

[23:58:52]

MTughan_web:

Air Farce went off air.

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Beirdo:

I know. I capture As It Happens daily

[23:59:00]

Beirdo:

sucky

[23:59:11]

MTughan_web:

So did Corner Gas.

[23:59:20]

Beirdo:

went to a taping of Air Farce once.. that was fun

[23:59:22]

Beirdo:

WHAT?!

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Beirdo:

no more Corner Gas?

[23:59:35]

Beirdo:

curse CTV

[23:59:46]

Beirdo:

Trailer Park Boys still going? :)

[23:59:50]

MTughan_web:

They stopped after 6 seasons, although Brent, Wandy, and Hank are starting new shows in a month.

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