Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, February 25th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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MTughan_web:

Dunno, we don't get Showcase.

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mag0o:

i love it when i catch a seinfeld i haven't seen yet

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jolaren:

Gnite lads, time to go lala

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Beirdo:

Brent Butt is so funny for a guy who's so understated

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Beirdo:

and nice name too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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MTughan_web:

Beirdo: Actually, it was Brent who cut the show as I understand. Wanted to stop while they were up.

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Beirdo:

Ah

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MTughan_web:

I'm actually going to see him live at the end of March. :D

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Beirdo:

well, that's not the worst idea

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Beirdo:

still sucks though :)

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Beirdo:

cool :) Good Canadian comedy

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** Beirdo grew up in the Muskoka area, BTW **

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MTughan_web:

http://www.myrosetheatre.ca/ShowDetails.aspx?id=258

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Beirdo:

wow

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Beirdo:

that's pricy

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MTughan_web:

We get the subscriber price.

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Beirdo:

good

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Beirdo:

worth it though, I'm sure

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MTughan_web:

Heck, yes. :P

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MTughan_web:

Watching freestyle jumping in HD on CTV now.

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wagnerrp:

jumping?

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Beirdo:

I have moguls on Universal Sports...

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Beirdo:

not Olympics (retards)

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Beirdo:

but that's the only English channel I get right now

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Beirdo:

so...

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MTughan_web:

Freestyle skiing, Ladies' aerials finals according to the app I have.

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

US Olympics Trials... bah

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Beirdo:

play the Olympics, you wankers

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MTughan_web:

Just saw Ashley Caldwell jump. Apparently the youngest competitor, she's 16.

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MTughan_web:

And doing pretty well.

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

another Canadian

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Beirdo:

we takin over the channel?

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MTughan_web:

Which?

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Beirdo:

bobgill

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wagnerrp:

Canadirican?

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Beirdo:

unless rogers.com is international now :)

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MTughan_web:

No, which channel? NBC Universal Sports?

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Beirdo:

Ohhh

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

they never say NBC though

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Beirdo:

but the peacock shows up

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MTughan_web:

So they are showing moguls trials.

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MTughan_web:

Channel 2_2 here.

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Beirdo:

but it's technically WAPA2, rebroadcasting NBCUS

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Beirdo:

yeah, here is 4_2 OTA

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MTughan_web:

Where are you?

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MTughan_web:

I think 2_2 is out of Buffalo.

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Beirdo:

Moca, Puerto Rico at the moment :)

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Beirdo:

far far from the snow that is typically Buffalo

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MTughan_web:

Oh, Canada placed 1, 2 in Women's doubles bobsled earlier today.

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MTughan_web:

Snow? We ain't got no stinkin snow.

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Beirdo:

slush?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it's 75F here at night

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MTughan_web:

Even less than that now. Isolated slush.

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Beirdo:

and 85–90F in the day at work (Isabela, PR)

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kormoc:

Beirdo: huh, I'd still need heat at night...

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Beirdo:

I'm rarely if ever cold

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MTughan_web:

Well, Vancouver's hitting 10C/50F during the day. Doesn't help the snow.

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Beirdo:

a single sheet is enough... with the fan on :)

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kormoc:

Screw Vancouver, they deserve it!

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** kormoc grumps **

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MTughan_web:

We hit a high of 3C/38F here today.

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mag0o:

we had snow down here in GA *3* times so far this year

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MTughan_web:

And I'm outside with pants and a t-shirt. :D

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mag0o:

that's gotta be some sort of record

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

growing up, 10C was time to get out the shorts and t-shirt

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Beirdo:

living here is a definite change :)

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MTughan_web:

I'll typically take out the t-shirt at -5C, and the shorts at 5–10C.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and sandals... don't forget sandals

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MTughan_web:

Don't wear sandals.

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MTughan_web:

Hiking boots year round. :P

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Beirdo:

kormoc: let Vancouver have SOME fun :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

in Toronto, my winter wear were sandals and wool socks for a bit

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Beirdo:

I'm insane

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Beirdo:

hehe

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MTughan_web:

Oh, all Canadians are insane. Don't feel too bad. :P

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Beirdo:

yeah, I proved my sanity by moving to the Caribbean

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

or my insanity

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Beirdo:

not sure which

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MTughan_web:

Hmm... No Canadians in the aerials finals. Odd.

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MTughan_web:

Considering the three Chinese are 1, 2, and 4 now.

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Beirdo:

not surprising

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Beirdo:

there's a billion of em to choose from

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MTughan_web:

lol

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Beirdo:

China and India SHOULD dominate the Olympics

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MTughan_web:

And that's not even a figure of speech...

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Beirdo:

just by raw population

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Beirdo:

yeah...

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Beirdo:

6B people on earth or so

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Beirdo:

1B in China, almost 1B in India (and rapidly increasing)

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Beirdo:

we shouldn't be surprised if they take over sports :)

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Beirdo:

and tech support for that matter... hehe

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MTughan_web:

Oh yeah, that reminds me of a situation we're in at work...

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MTughan_web:

We have a MFP that came with a cracked pane of glass over one scanner that's been there since the printer was delivered. A repair centre wants 5–7 business days to unscrew a cover and install a replacement pane.

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MTughan_web:

A repair I could perform in 3 minutes.

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jarrod1:

probably the percentage of people who do recreational or professional sport in india is a lot lower than europe or USA

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Beirdo:

jarrod1: yeah, fortunately for the USA Olympic team :)

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Beirdo:

and Canadian for that matter

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MTughan_web:

Canadian more.

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Beirdo:

Canada does better than the US

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MTughan_web:

One thing I'm noticing is that while Canada has ~10% of the populartion of the US, they have more than 10% of the medals the US has.

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Beirdo:

when you calculate in that Canada has 1/10 the population

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Beirdo:

yup

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jarrod1:

australia does pretty well for our population :)

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MTughan_web:

I think the US has 24 medals, compared to 15 for Canada ATM.

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Beirdo:

yes, true, but not as much for the winter, jarrod1 :)

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jarrod1:

well snow is harder to find here

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MTughan_web:

jarrod1: Speaking of which, an Australian competitor just jumped.

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Beirdo:

there's SOME, but not much :)

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Beirdo:

IIRC there are some snowy mountains in your winter

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MTughan_web:

jarrod1: You're guaranteed at least a silver here.

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Beirdo:

nice

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jarrod1:

you have to go to the top of a mountain in winter

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Beirdo:

Aussies send so few to the winter Olympics, it's nice that they can take home a medal or two

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MTughan_web:

And she's probably going to get gold. The last Chinese competitor didn't make the landing.

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jarrod1:

cool

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Beirdo:

got a competitor in snowboarding too IIRC

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Beirdo:

women's

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MTughan_web:

Lydia Lassila just secured gold.

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MTughan_web:

Congrats jarrod1. :P

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jarrod1:

thanks lol

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Beirdo:

I miss hearing Aussie accents :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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jarrod1:

when did you hear aussie accents?

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Beirdo:

I'd watch Water Rats just for the Sydney accent... even if it was a crap show really

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MTughan_web:

Oh, and Canada has the only athlete in Olympic history who's won medals at both the summer and winter games. :D

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Beirdo:

there's a few Aussie shows on in Canada at times :)

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MTughan_web:

Clara Hughes races in both speed skating and cycling.

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Beirdo:

and of course Steve Erwin (RIP)

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jarrod1:

when I talk to my american relatives in the USA they can hardly understand a word I say

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Beirdo:

hehe

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MTughan_web:

I can understand that... :P

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Beirdo:

It takes me maybe a couple minutes to adjust

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jarrod1:

even some terms we use don't make sense to them

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Beirdo:

but I had professors from India... and their accent was thick... you get used to deciphering

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Beirdo:

yeah, some lingo is an issue

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Beirdo:

heh

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MTughan_web:

Anyway, I need to restart/go to bed.

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Beirdo:

and I grew up with a family friend with a strong Cockney accent

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Beirdo:

sooo.

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Beirdo:

night, MTughan_web

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jarrod1:

this really strange thing happened the other day, I had mythbackend and frontend installed on my PC, then the next day it was gone..

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Beirdo:

It was funny... I visited a friend in Tennessee for a week... came home and I had a southern accent

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Beirdo:

gone?

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Beirdo:

who uninstalled it?

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jarrod1:

no one

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jarrod1:

thats the strange thing

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Beirdo:

ok then

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Beirdo:

Linux doesn't normally spontaneously uninstall stuff

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jarrod1:

and I am the only person with sudo privileges

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jarrod1:

really weird

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Beirdo:

you sure you didn't get drunk, black out and reinstall the PC?

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jarrod1:

lol

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jarrod1:

got drunk and ran apt-get remove mythtv-*

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Beirdo:

yeah, or something else interesting like that

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Beirdo:

left the ubuntu CD in, rebooted and reinstalled?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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jarrod1:

I would have noticed all my files and other programs missing

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I guess

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jarrod1:

all the themes and mythtv-database are still installed

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Beirdo:

weird

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jarrod1:

just the backend was gone

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Beirdo:

wonder how the heck that could happen

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Beirdo:

I think the underwear gnomes have your password

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kormoc:

or the filesystem got corrupt?

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, now that would be too sensible

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mag0o:

or you installed something else and didn't pay attention when apt-get said it was going to remove mythtv-* since it wasn't needed anymore? *almost* happened to me the other day

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jarrod1:

it is as if someone came along and uninstalled a few packages

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Beirdo:

rebooting to single user and fsck might be a good plan

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jarrod1:

mag0o that is a possibility

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Beirdo:

why would it think it doesn't need mythtv?

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jarrod1:

ubuntu thought I was wasting too much time watching TV

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Beirdo:

!trout apt-get stupid

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** MythLogBot slaps apt-get with a stupid trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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mag0o:

i was installing some codecs and i forget what else the other day, and it said it didn't need myth anymore

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Beirdo:

how odd

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mag0o:

so, i told apt-get i didnt need the codes and whatever else i was installing

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Beirdo:

I think I'll still blame the underwear gnomes

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Beirdo:

that or Microsoft... they always deserve some blame

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mag0o:

they *were* the win32 codecs

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jarrod1:

they hacked the ubuntu package system to making it believe myth is no longer required

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Beirdo:

Hmmm. should take a good look at that deb and myth's to see if we can't figure out the issue

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mag0o:

want me to scroll back through the history on that box and see what it was?

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jarrod1:

I will take a look at my command history to see what I installed

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mag0o:

started with non-free-codecs and w32codecs, apt-get suggested libavcodec52 libavformat52 libpostproc51 libswscale0 sidplay-base xsidplay so i added those, and that's when it determined that it no longer needed mytharchive and mythexport

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mag0o:

funny thing was, i was adding codecs *for* mytharchive*

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jarrod1:

I was playing around with graphics drivers

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jarrod1:

I removed and reinstalled nvidia drivers

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jarrod1:

just before "it" happened

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jarrod1:

or at least that was just before I noticed. it may have happened before

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jarrod1:

specifically I ran

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jarrod1:

sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`

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jarrod1:

sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy nvidia-glx-new nvidia-settings

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jarrod1:

then installed NVIDIA-Linux-x86–190.53-pkg1.run

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jarrod1:

just after that in the history I have "ps -A |grep myth" and "mythbackend" and "mythfrontend" so that seems to be when I noticed

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jarrod1:

hey is it a common occurrence on mythbuntu for local hostnames not to work?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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jarrod1:

because last two installs local hostnames haven't resolved

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jarrod1:

like the hostname of my mythbox is mythtv

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jarrod1:

I can ping it by its IP but not by its hostname from another pc on the lan

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wagnerrp:

how would the other machine on the lan know what its name is?

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jarrod1:

doesn't it broadcast its hostname usually?

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wagnerrp:

never has, probably never will

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jarrod1:

or something like that.. seems to work with all my other PC's windows and linux

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wagnerrp:

windows uses NETBIOS to do automatic name discovery

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jarrod1:

like by using ping hostname.local

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jarrod1:

ok.. and linux?

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wagnerrp:

linux is just a kernel

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jarrod1:

ok Ubuntu for example

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wagnerrp:

either you define everything statically in your /etc/hosts file, you define everything statically on a DNS server, or you slave your DHCP server into your DNS server and have the names updated automatically

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jarrod1:

or run samba for netbios type name discovery?

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wagnerrp:

wont work, because the GNU toolset isnt designed to do lookups against a NETBIOS name server

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wagnerrp:

only the handful of samba programs are capable of that

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jarrod1:

alright. I will read up on it before continuing this conversation :)

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jarrod1:

I think I will just set a static IP and edit my hosts file. thx

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wagnerrp:

any ideas just WTF this is... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4412#comment:6

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[R]:

i saw that too

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wagnerrp:

someone testing it?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: google are in the spam business now?

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joel_:

I probarbly need to get a new graphic card for my frontend/backend.. My weak vdpau card now can't play HD correctly and if I run it of the processor I have a 90 % load

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gbee:

what sort of HD? my bottom of the range 8200 can play BBC HD 1080i and last I checked, HD-PVR output, HD-DVD VC1 content etc

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joel_:

I have a geforce 8200

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joel_:

and it's laggy

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gbee:

which deinterlacer are you using?

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joel_:

How do I know what sort of Hd? THe channel listed gbee is "SVT HD"

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joel_:

Hauppage wintv nova -t 500 pci

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[Peter]:

joel_: SVT HD is buggy with 0.22

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joel_:

thats the interlacer right?

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joel_:

[Peter], Should I go with trunk? (or whatever the newer version is)

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[Peter]:

joel_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7961 I submitted that patch but noone bothered

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gbee:

not even close, but it doesn't matter now, as [Peter] notes

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[Peter]:

joel_: I haven't tried trunk but I'd assume that it isn't fixed

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joel_:

How do I add this patch to my mythtv [Peter]

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joel_:

Your my hero if that would work ;P

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[Peter]:

joel_: ubuntu user?

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joel_:

yeah

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joel_:

gbee, deint i use vdpau slim (sorry i got it all wrong)

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[Peter]:

joel_: kahn.bz.nu/~peter/libmyth-0.22–0_0.22.0+fixes23298–0ubuntu0+mythbunt u3_i386.deb you can try installing that package. but it assumes that you're running the mythbuntu weekly builds

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joel_:

i am

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[Peter]:

joel_: then get that package, and install it with dpkg -i

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[Peter]:

joel_: with that package it still stutters for the first half second of playback, but once it gets into sync it works perfectly

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joel_:

" paketarkitekturen (i386) matchar inte systemets (amd64)"

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joel_:

should i install the alib32?

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[Peter]:

joel_: hm, ah, that might be a problem

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[Peter]:

joel_: you probably need to build your own packages then

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joel_:

I will try to install the lib packages for 32 bits

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joel_:

and then try again

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[Peter]:

joel_: well, you will need all of mythtv to be 32-bit as well then

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[Peter]:

joel_: not just the lib

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joel_:

Is it worth downgrading to 32bits?

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joel_:

I can't decided

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[Peter]:

joel_: building the packages is not that hard

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joel_:

I have no clue how, therefor my reply.. ;/

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[Peter]:

joel_: first apt-get install pbuilder

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[Peter]:

joel_: then apt-get build-dep mythtv

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joel_:

those two steps only?

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[Peter]:

joel_: no, I'm just waiting for you to catch up :)

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[Peter]:

joel_: there are a few more

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joel_:

okok

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oobe:

i have never tried it but i heard somewhere you can add extra video locatations to mythvideo using /path/to/place:/other/path/to/place is this the correct syntax

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oobe:

dont worry i just looked at the settings it explains it

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swerve:

hi – i just upgraded mythtv on debian lenny and now it won't start

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swerve:

there is no error message or anything, the command just goes to a new line without outputting anything

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Chicago:

swerve, do you know where your log files are? There is a logfile for the backend and a log file for the frontend.

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** mag0o guesses time differences greater than those that are tolerated **

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swerve:

Chicago: the log is completely empty!

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swerve:

it's only a backend on this server

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Chicago:

swerve, 'ps aux|grep mythbackend' any instances already running?

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swerve:

no

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swerve:

i just noticed there is no 'mythbackend' binary

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Chicago:

swerve, execute mythbackend manually to see what's going on... or initiate mythtv-setup... see what's in your ~/.mythtv or in /etc/mythtv directory.... find the mysql.txt or config.xml to see what's going on... have you recently upgraded from an old version of myth to a new version of myth and possibly not dealt with upgrading the database?

[10:27:19]

swerve:

W-T-F?

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swerve:

debian 'installs' mythtv without installing mythbackend???

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Chicago:

debian installs debian without installing a complier, wtf

[10:28:22]

swerve:

oh great:

[10:28:22]

swerve:

9:25 am <swerve> it's only a backend on this server

[10:28:37]

swerve:

mythtv-backend: Depends: transcode but it is not going to be installed

[10:28:50]

swerve:

mythtv: Depends: mythtv-backend (>= 0.22+fixes20100218–0.0lenny1) but it is not going to be installed

[10:29:02]

swerve:

looks like dist-upgrade broke everything

[10:29:03]

Chicago:

swerve, I'll preach for a second...

[10:29:19]

Chicago:

swerve, use Gentoo linux for awesome mythtv experience.

[10:29:26]

swerve:

this is going to be a mess – is there a quick way to revert to the older packages?

[10:30:02]

swerve:

Chicago: I would in a heartbeat, but I have apache, php, etc. set up here and it would be a monster to redo everything

[10:30:15]

Chicago:

swerve, yeah it would

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swerve:

debian sucks, imo – i use arch linux on everything else

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Chicago:

Does your CPU support virtualization? Perhaps you could just tarball up your whole / and get gentoo up with QEMU-KVM for virtualization :)

[10:31:07]

swerve:

i doubt it, it's an XP1600+ or something

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swerve:

or 2500+ maybe – it's been so long I don't even remember

[10:31:29]

Chicago:

I am only familiar with getting accelerated KVM up on Intel chips.

[10:32:07]

swerve:

thing is I am super busy now (figures) and don't have time for any of this, let alone redoing the entire system, which would probably take week+

[10:32:15]

Chicago:

Maybe add something fresh to /etc/apt/sources or whatever it is before syncing again...

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Chicago:

Why did dist-upgrade keep transcode from being happily installed?

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swerve:

okay... making some progress i think....

[10:34:56]

swerve:

it needed libquicktime1

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Chicago:

joy

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swerve:

so... why it didn't install a DEPENDENCY is just another unfathomable debian mystery, i guess

[10:36:43]

Chicago:

swerve... rhetorically... I wonder if the debian maintainers build their distro for "someone else"....

[10:36:53]

oobe:

swerve, try looking at the package dependencies in synaptic

[10:37:10]

oobe:

there are options to force upgrades etc.

[10:37:12]

Chicago:

I don't know too many sys admins who would say "I want my operating system to be just like this..." while describing debian.

[10:37:15]

swerve:

they seem to build it for linux elves from 1986

[10:37:46]

Chicago:

Life is different now :)

[10:37:47]

swerve:

it's one of the clunkiest things I've ever seen, i think

[10:38:02]

Chicago:

Back them 7MHz on an 8086 would prevent you from compiling your operating system....

[10:38:15]

Chicago:

these days.... life is good :)

[10:39:08]

swerve:

sh!t!!! now my frontend is incompatible because the debian version has some weird stuff in it

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swerve:

argh.... redoing the server might actually be easier, to be honest

[10:39:46]

oobe:

is your frontend using .21 or .22

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oobe:

cause if its .21 then of course it would not work

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swerve:

frontend is 0.22

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jarrod1:

now its like I'm compiling a new kernel on a system running in a virtual machine while I watch this youtube video running under flash inside firefox.. and its only using 50% cpu

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swerve:

but it's saying some weird stuff about "branches-release-fixes"

[10:41:12]

Chicago:

I'll hit lenny with a branch

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swerve:

2010-02–25 09:40:54.339 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-22-fixes [Unknown] www.mythtv.org

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Chicago:

/ whack

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swerve:

2010-02–25 09:40:54.371 ERROR: ***Pulse Audio is running!!!!***

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swerve:

2010-02–25 09:40:54.371 ERROR: But MythTV has not been compiled with Pulse Audio disabling support. EXITING!

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swerve:

oops – sorry for flood

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swerve:

what does this mean – i have to run pulse audio now?

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oobe:

no it means that both versions need to be built with pulse audio support

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jarrod1:

sounds like you are doing it the hard way swerve

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swerve:

but pulse audio isn't running – it's not even installed afaik

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swerve:

jarrod1: please tell me the easy way xD

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oobe:

woops no sorry

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jarrod1:

mythbuntu lol

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oobe:

it means you are running pulse audio and you dont have pulse audio support built into that frontend

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swerve:

09:43 AM:~ $ ps ax |grep pulse

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swerve:

27410 pts/8 S+ 0:00 grep pulse

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swerve:

???

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Chicago:

I'd like a mythtv plugin for "popularity-contest"... where the live tv feed keeps you tuned into the program on your channel map which is subjectively *most popular* ie being watched/recorded by other myth tv users....

[10:45:34]

swerve:

Chicago: why? ;D

[10:45:54]

Chicago:

because, I like to leave the TV on when I leave the house or sleep...

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Chicago:

It would be nice if those "idle" times are used to get better recordings... based on feedback from other myth boxes.

[10:46:24]

oobe:

and you want ppl who arnt there to see the most popular content

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Chicago:

Or lets say I'm not home and now all of america is watching OJ simpsons run from the police...

[10:47:00]

Chicago:

I'd want an idle tuner to know it can tune into this "viral video" and keep a recording for me.

[10:47:34]

Chicago:

Mostly it would be useful for archiving breaking news. :)

[10:47:34]

oobe:

you would end up with loads of of recordings you dont want expiring recordings you do want

[10:47:47]

Chicago:

oobe, not necessarily

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swerve:

oh man – what a mess – now the frontend starts, but then it crashes saying there is a time zone setting mismatch

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swerve:

unreal – either upgrading the backend or frontend must have changed some time zone configuration

[10:48:19]

oobe:

but myth users i wouldnt imagine use livetv much and wouldnt schedule breaking news reports

[10:48:27]

Chicago:

oobe, I use the priority flags and do not expire flags for "new recording" on their original airdate... those must be deleted manually...

[10:48:35]

Chicago:

the rest of the recordings are free to be deleted at any time.

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Chicago:

oobe, I will be writing newer software for windows mobile to control my set of myth machines...

[10:49:17]

Chicago:

At some point, there will be a chance to aggregate and use that data.

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swerve:

the front end won't start b/c there's a 1 second difference from the backend, lol

[10:52:06]

swerve:

unbelievable – both are running ntp

[10:52:26]

oobe:

swerve, reconfigure tzdata and make sure your using the same ntp.conf settings on each box

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iamlindoro:

A one second difference is insufficient to prevent the frontend running

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iamlindoro:

it's failing because they're not identical timezones

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swerve:

2010-02–25 09:51:17.820 The time and/or time zone settings on this system do not match those in use on the master backend. Please ensure all frontend and backend systems are configured to use the same time zone and have the current time properly set.

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swerve:

2010-02–25 09:51:17.820 Unable to run with invalid time settings. Exiting.

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iamlindoro:

exactly. Mismatched time zones.

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oobe:

Chicago, sounds alright actually

[10:53:42]

iamlindoro:

One second is within the acceptable time difference

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swerve:

both are EST/UTC

[10:53:57]

iamlindoro:

EST and UTC are not the same

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oobe:

swerve, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

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swerve:

oh sorry – EST, UTC Offest

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iamlindoro:

even if they have the same offset, that's not enough. They need to be the *same*

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swerve:

Offset*

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swerve:

okay – mostly working – themes are wonky and don't work, and mythweb isn't working

[10:58:41]

swerve:

redoing the tzdata worked

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swerve:

not sure why – i just set it to the same thing again, but whatever

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swerve:

:p

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iamlindoro:

what theme is it that's not working?

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iamlindoro:

Are you trying to use .21 themes with .22?

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swerve:

i had some custom "project grayhem" theme installed that i hope there's an update for

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iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

.21 themes will not work with .22

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swerve:

but none of the other ones are working except the default one

[11:00:11]

iamlindoro:

right, so you have a directory full of incompatible themes

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iamlindoro:

Terra will work, graphite will work, and if you clear out the old themes and install the .22 themes, you'll get skeleton versions of some old ones (though they largely are all the same screens

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swerve:

i think Arch upgraded the themes when i upgraded the frontend, but i'll have to check the log

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iamlindoro:

if you still have a project grayhem in the directory, it didn't.

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swerve:

i installed that one myself

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iamlindoro:

How about this

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swerve:

it's not part of the arch package

[11:01:37]

iamlindoro:

if the core themes aren't working for you, it didn't.

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iamlindoro:

Themes which can reasonably expected to work: Terra, Graphite, Mythbuntu

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swerve:

let me check those real quick...

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iamlindoro:

Themes which had old versions that need total reinstall which aren't real themes any more: MythCenter

[11:02:47]

iamlindoro:

everything else is kaput-- so if you have an option for anything else, you have a bunch of broken themes installed you need to clear out

[11:04:02]

swerve:

terra was the new default i guess, that works, graphite and mythbuntu all seem to work, plus the really old blue one

[11:04:36]

iamlindoro:

So the issue isn't the code, it's that you have legacy themes installed that aren't compatible with your version of myth

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swerve:

so that's cool for now – but what about mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Presumably it's misconfigured-- it definitely works in both -fixes and trunk

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swerve:

some php error maybe

[11:05:30]

swerve:

there are numerous error messages, not sure which is the relevant one

[11:05:40]

swerve:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=40, backend=50)

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swerve:

plus an "unable to connect to backend is it running," when it is running

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swerve:

so i guess this protocol version error must be the problem

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iamlindoro:

Your mythweb is a .21 version

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iamlindoro:

so you didn't upgrade it

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swerve:

no, it's upgraded – according to apt log

[11:08:56]

swerve:

at least

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swerve:

Setting up mythweb (0.22+fixes20100218–0.0lenny2) ...

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iamlindoro:

it's not

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swerve:

Preparing to replace mythweb 0.21.svn20080706–0.0 (using .../mythweb_0.22+fixes20100218–0.0lenny2_all.deb) ...

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iamlindoro:

Whatever apt may have to say, the copy of mythweb you are trying to access is not .22

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swerve:

hmmm... so it installed .22 and left .21 on? doesn't make sense, does it?

[11:11:36]

iamlindoro:

I couldn't begin to guess how your packages work

[11:11:45]

sphery:

swerve: With a 20-min difference, remote apps won't start. With a 5-min difference, you'll get a warning in the logs. With any difference, things may not work properly. (I'm still reading scrollback, so I haven't caught up.)

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pyther:

Hi

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swerve:

more likely some config file parameter changed, right?

[11:12:05]

iamlindoro:

No.

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pyther:

The mythtv status says that tuner 5 has an error, how can I go about finding out more about said error?

[11:12:26]

swerve:

sphery: that's solved, thanks. just something screwy with mythweb now

[11:12:27]

iamlindoro:

I know the myth code. I am telling you your copy of mythweb uses protocol 40, meaning it's not .22.

[11:12:28]

sphery:

swerve: and I see you got the time zone set right.

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swerve:

maybe i should remove mythweb to make sure it's completely off, and then reinstall it to make sure .22 is on

[11:14:21]

sphery:

that sounds like the best approach for ensuring the 0.21-fixes MythWeb disappears

[11:14:49]

sphery:

what error is it saying for tuner 5?

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swerve:

same problem, hmm

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swerve:

i don't get it – it's definitely 0.22

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iamlindoro:

No, it's not.

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swerve:

what's makign it think it's 0.21?

[11:16:05]

iamlindoro:

the fact that it is

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swerve:

so the package name is wrong?

[11:16:31]

swerve:

the devs apparently put 0.22 name on a 0.21 package

[11:16:52]

iamlindoro:

I'm not willing to speculate what wrong with packages, aside from saying most packagers are clueless

[11:17:17]

iamlindoro:

But if the protocol version of your mythweb is 40, it's .21.

[11:17:24]

swerve:

man -this sux – mythweb is what I use the most

[11:17:51]

sphery:

uninstall mythweb and then delete the entire directory structure for it

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sphery:

then install mythweb 0.22-fixes

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swerve:

okay – let me try that, maybe it was leaving some old config files

[11:18:40]

sphery:

or old (edited) PHP files

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swerve:

i think it must be some php thing.... 1 sec...

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iamlindoro:

It's not some PHP thing. The protocol is set in the Mythweb files, not a conf file

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iamlindoro:

I give up

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iamlindoro:

more likely you deleted what you thought was the mythweb dir, but it wasn't

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swerve:

so iamlindoro why is there a message in the home directory from the dist-upgrade about php config changes

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iamlindoro:

why do you keep asking me packaging questions? I am telling you your theory is *impossible*

[11:21:10]

iamlindoro:

the protocol is in the mythweb code, not a conf file-- so it can't be "some php thing"

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swerve:

it seems that the debian package does not upgrade the mythweb directory – after moving it i'm getting a different error

[11:23:31]

swerve:

nope – must be a bug

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swerve:

i completely removed the /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb directory, removed mythweb, reinstalled, it installed a new mythweb dir, same problem

[11:24:36]

iamlindoro:

then the packages are broken

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sphery:

yeah, if it's a bug, it's in the package, not in MythWeb

[11:25:22]

oobe:

maybe restarting apache would work ?

[11:25:32]

sphery:

swerve: your best bet is to talk to others using your distro (and your distro's packages) for help

[11:25:33]

swerve:

oobe: tried that already a few times

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swerve:

yeah, i'll have to file a bug report with debian

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sphery:

and don't forget to clear the browser cache just in case

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swerve:

seems pretty sure it's a bug

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oobe:

check joe /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/README if it says February 16, 2008 Version: .22-svn

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swerve:

lol – no readme there

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swerve:

2 browsers & virgin mythweb browser all give same error

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sphery:

lots of distros don't include it (because it's a "security" problem)

[11:27:42]

sphery:

though none have ever explained why it reduces security

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swerve:

let me just look at these apache configs in case it's something there

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sphery:

it's not there

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sphery:

iamlindoro is right

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swerve:

although iamlindoro assures me it's completely in the program

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sphery:

the protocol version that mythweb speaks is defined in the MythWeb PHP code

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sphery:

so it can /not/ be a PHP or apache config issue

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swerve:

for some reason that concept is not getting trhough my thick skull

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sphery:

unless you're using the wrong application name/directory to access mythweb and hitting an older version that's installed in parallel

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swerve:

you mean on the webserver?

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sphery:

yeah

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swerve:

same as it ever was, right?

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sphery:

if you have an app defined at /mythtv for the 0.21-fixes install and for some reason the 0.22-fixes install changes it to /mythweb , that could be a problem

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swerve:

/www/mythweb, in this case

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sphery:

but someone who actually uses your distro/packages could help you much more than we can

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swerve:

thanks everyone – off to debian people

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hackman:

my TV has DLNA software, but it fails to use mythtv as a media server, saying "compatible files not found."

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Chicago:

Windows 7 sees the mythtv media server, but has a messed up version of the library... recordings are listed multiple times....

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Chicago:

I'm figuring it's something to do with cutlists.

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xaxes:

hey folks .. I have problem watching recordings using mythtvfrontend .. I have padding of 10 minutes before the video, but when the episode I want to record starts, the playback get blackscreened and restarted from the beginning of the padding (excuse my bad english pls)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: I *think* #8106 may be related to threaded image loading, but am not sure. Didn't assign it to you without being sure, but if you have a sec to check out the attached BTs... well, I wouldn't stop you :)

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xaxes:

mhh it seems to be a problem to switch from commercial to regular tv.. it hangs and starts from the beginning, also in live-tv =\

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jolaren:

Is it possible to run something like Kaffeine on the combined frontend/backend.. cuz on the frontend/backend i dont really care about beeing able to swap back and forth, i just want everything to be instant live

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** cecil has read posts on the mailing list about folks using xawtv (or something else) for 'Live TV' **

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** jolaren thanks cecil and will start investigate **

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cecil:

just modify the XML to launch the program

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cecil:

you're welcome

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jolaren:

That's the "main" tv and I don't want it to take so long time to swap, dno if you catch my drift :P

[13:37:16]

jolaren:

Just thinkin about how it works in theory .. with two programs in conflict on tuners

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cecil:

jolaren: I do

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cecil:

jolaren: you do realize that the wait is so it build a buffer

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jolaren:

yeah

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cecil:

jolaren: that is how you can pause, review, etc

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jolaren:

I know, that's great. But for the living room I don't really care about that.. I use my other TV for recordings etc

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cecil:

ok

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jolaren:

I thought about a simple solution in my head

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jolaren:

Just disable one tuner in Mythtv

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jolaren:

And let that run the xawtv

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cecil:

:)

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jolaren:

On the other hand, I don't need "MYth" at all (except for backend and a frontend) on the server.. I mean I can setup xawtv to autostart just

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jolaren:

Thanks cecil for the idea

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oobe:

jolaren, there is a feature in mythtv-setup to enable fast tuning

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oobe:

it makes changing channels faster

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jolaren:

will take a look

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jolaren:

on the frontend or the backend?

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cecil:

jolaren: you're welcome

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cecil:

jolaren: backend as that is where your tuners are at

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jolaren:

ye thought about oobe suggestion but i'll check the backend

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jolaren:

=

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jolaren:

)

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cecil:

jolaren: right. mythtv-setup runs on the backend

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jolaren:

that affects all my frontends tho

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dmb:

is there someone that can help me figure out why mythtv is not working for my card, even though everybody else says it does?

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dmb:

this is the hvr 1600

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** cecil doesn't have a 1600 **

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jolaren:

I'm lookin around in the backend without sucess :P

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cecil:

dmb: I'd suggest to ask your questions and provide details (pastebin if needed) and wait and see if someone has an answer

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jolaren:

dmb, does kaffeine work? or someother tv app

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dmb:

jolaren: using analog

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dmb:

cecil: well, not much I can pastebin, but when scanning channels, it hangs around channel 30

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dmb:

and doesn't stop until I click stop

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dmb:

and when I go to watch tv

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dmb:

is says Please Wait

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dmb:

then goes back to menu screen

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iamlindoro:

read your backend logs

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dmb:

one sec, i'll paste them, although it doesn't say much

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iamlindoro:

frontend logs and behaviors are generally uninformative when dealing with capture issues

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iamlindoro:

we will want to see from the *start* of a backend through the failure

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iamlindoro:

meanibng restart the backend right now, attempt to start TV with the card, then pastebin that

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dmb:

ok

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Chicago:

Should it be possible to find a modeline for a CRT monitor which behaves like NTSC? I'd like a 60000/1001 framerate to test view some interlaced content natively.

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dmb:

iamlindoro: you know whats funny? After I stoped mythbackend, cleared the log, started it again, and went to mythtv, it seemed to start again :/

[14:02:29]

dmb:

iamlindoro: another issues now: its displaying in double

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, that load is happening in the foreground since hte image is in teh cache since this is a Reset(), it's not a background load.

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dmb:

could that be because I have a dual monitor?

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iamlindoro:

dmb: No, it's because you have ATI graphics and are using the Bob2x deinterlacer

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iamlindoro:

Switch your playback profile to "Slim"

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dmb:

heh, you must know that by heart

[14:04:20]

iamlindoro:

Been around the block :)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Gotcha, thanks for looking

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dmb:

iamlindoro: also, you don't happen to know a way to get the mouse working properly do you :P?

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what you are hoping for

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iamlindoro:

Myth has mouse support, but it is limited

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dmb:

mouse seems to go away when its in the program

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dmb:

except when its in a form element

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iamlindoro:

There is an appearance option to hide the pointer

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iamlindoro:

you can toggle it if you want to see it

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dmb:

iamlindoro: ok, one last thing: is there a way to choose which monitor the tv displays in :P

[14:13:17]

iamlindoro:

The video playback will display on the same screen as the UI, since they're the same window

[14:13:31]

iamlindoro:

If you want to play back video on one screen or another, you should run myth on that screen

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dmb:

for me, if i have the gui in my left monitor, and hit watch tv, it shows on the right

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dmb:

oh

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dmb:

i'll try that

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iamlindoro:

Check appearance setting for some of the basic multi-monitor settings

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iamlindoro:

ie xinerama has some custom options I'm not familiar with, could be in there I suppose

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** dmb is using twinview **

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iamlindoro:

Is twinview multiple instances of X, or one spanning view?

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iamlindoro:

anyway, TV and the UI should be the same window, not familiar with them being split up, but one of the appearance settings may be relevant

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iamlindoro:

and possible playback settings

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: one spanning view

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iamlindoro:

thanks, can't keep all the marketing names straight

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dmb:

iamlindoro: nope, one spanning view i think

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dmb:

iamlindoro: i am still having the issue with channel scanning, where it gets stuck at 31

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dmb:

would the backend log help for that?

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iamlindoro:

Are you trying to channel scan analog?

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dmb:

yes

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iamlindoro:

You can't do that

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dmb:

us-cable

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iamlindoro:

You are supposed to be fetching your channels from Schedules Direct

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dmb:

you can't?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

because a) the analog channel scanner is disabled in .22 because it hasn't been rewritten yet, and b) all US users are meant to pull in their channel list from Schedules Direct

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dmb:

heh, schedules direct isn't going to work for me, because i'm at a univ, which probably doesn't have an entry

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iamlindoro:

Have you checked?

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** cecil was thinking the same thing **

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dmb:

i'll check their website

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iamlindoro:

What's your zip code?

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dmb:

07430

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iamlindoro:

Ramapo College – Cable (Mahwah)?

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dmb:

yes

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iamlindoro:

then yes

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devinheitmueller:

dmb: hey, you're right down the street!

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J-e-f-f-A:

"It's In There"

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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dmb:

devinheitmueller: really? Mahwah?

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devinheitmueller:

dmb: Well, I'm in New York City now.

[14:31:40]

devinheitmueller:

So not *quite* right down the street.

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dmb:

devinheitmueller: getting snow ?

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dmb:

very mushy snow

[14:31:57]

devinheitmueller:

barely. Mostly just rain.

[14:32:10]

devinheitmueller:

Even the weather reports are saying they don't know what the hell to expect.

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** J-e-f-f-A got 4–6" of snow yesterday, followed by rain the rest of the day... it's now 3–4" of SLUSH... **

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dmb:

yeah, its around 35 out

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devinheitmueller:

Within the same report I read a little while ago, one guy said < 7 and the other guy said 13–15"

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dmb:

yup

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dmb:

so you used to live in mahwah?

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devinheitmueller:

Anyway, iamlindoro is correct – the analog channel scanner in MythTV 0.22 is completely disabled (except for the one path you managed to run into).

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devinheitmueller:

No, I did grow up in New Jersey though (central Jersey)

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iamlindoro:

devinthesituationheitmuller

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devinheitmueller:

Are you configured for ATSC as well as analog?

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dmb:

devinheitmueller: ah, my real hometown is basking ridge, nj, and used to work at VZW in bedminster

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devinheitmueller:

Ah, ok.

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devinheitmueller:

I did some time over at Bell in Holmdel.

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dmb:

no, no atsc, no over the air channels really around here :/

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devinheitmueller:

ok.

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devinheitmueller:

hmmm....

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dmb:

unless you have a very very large antenna

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, this is the 1600, so it wouldn't be a problem with hybrid tuner config and input groups.

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devinheitmueller:

Which device did you configure it for? /dev/video0?

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dmb:

yup

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devinheitmueller:

I'm trying to remember the particulars of that board – do you have a /dev/video1 device present?

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devinheitmueller:

ls -l /dev/video1

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: TTBOMK he has it workingish already

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dmb:

nope

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devinheitmueller:

ok

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dmb:

only 24 and 32

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dmb:

(except 0)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I was under the impression he had the frontend not connecting properly.

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devinheitmueller:

Ok, 24 and 32 are the raw PCM audio and the raw video streams.

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iamlindoro:

he mentioned a bit ago that he was able to get live TV working, but had a scanning issue

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dmb:

ah, didn't know you could do raw with this card

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iamlindoro:

because he's attempting to scan at all :)

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, ok. If it's just scanning then that's probably what borked his setup.

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iamlindoro:

need to sign up for a Schedules Direct account, set up your lineups there, and configure it properly in myth

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devinheitmueller:

dmb: setup SchedulesDirect, reboot your PC and then try LiveTV.

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, what iamlindoro said. :-)

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iamlindoro:

namely, you'll configure SD as your listings source in mythtv-setup, enter your login information, download your lineups, and use the "fetch channels from listings source" button to pull them in

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iamlindoro:

finish that, run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, start the backend, and then see where you're at

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dmb:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Seems Schedules Direct isn't letting me define a 2nd lineup for 'DISH Boston – Satellite' – even using an adjacent zip code, it's greyed out on the 'Add a new lineup' page... I was trying to be pro-active for turning on a receiver with HD, and creating a lineup for it... Humm...

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dmb:

devinheitmueller: is it possible to grab the linups without paying (just not the listings)?

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dmb:

going to try

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

although you can use the free trial for the service for a week

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, it *is* possible, if you use the free trial...

[14:45:58]

iamlindoro:

so "yes", but it would make your mythbox useless once that runs out

[14:46:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ too slow I guess. ;-)

[14:46:28]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, you *need* listings to use myth as anything but a digital VCR, they're definitely required

[14:46:38]

iamlindoro:

And at $20/year, a steal

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dmb:

i remember when zap2it used to provide it for free :P

[14:46:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

dmb: $20/year is only $1.67 a month... ^yeah

[14:47:46]

AndyCap:

dmb: well, they stopped. so someone had to step up

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dmb:

didn't they stop because people abused it?

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Beirdo:

dmb yes

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devinheitmueller:

Bear in mind that Tivo charges $17.95 a *month* for those same listings.

[14:49:49]

Beirdo:

not last I checked :)

[14:49:50]

dmb:

lol

[14:50:07]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: so people percieve them as more valuable. :P

[14:50:20]

Beirdo:

the only snow here is the stuff people put up their nose

[14:50:23]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: SD listings must be wrong, and have old shows. :P

[14:50:28]

devinheitmueller:

yup.

[14:50:31]

Beirdo:

which ain't technically snow

[14:50:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: do you miss canada anymore? ;-)

[14:50:50]

dmb:

i LOVE the snow

[14:50:51]

Beirdo:

sometimes

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dmb:

not this snow though

[14:51:05]

Beirdo:

mostly for being able to watch NHL :)

[14:51:07]

Beirdo:

and CBC

[14:51:13]

devinheitmueller:

There's no snow on my TV (since switching to digital)

[14:51:23]

** J-e-f-f-A loves Snow, just hates shoveling it... **

[14:51:33]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, exactly

[14:51:36]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: digital doesn't have the olympics? :P

[14:51:46]

dmb:

that is whats nice when living on campuis

[14:51:58]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: Yeah, one bad pun deserves another.

[14:52:00]

dmb:

devinheitmueller: cablevision?

[14:52:07]

devinheitmueller:

dmb: OTA

[14:52:13]

dmb:

oh

[14:52:14]

** Beirdo WANTED to capture digital.. but the air2pc died an unnatural death, it seems **

[14:52:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

dmb: You still have to clean off your car, no?

[14:52:36]

dmb:

atm, i don't own a car

[14:52:43]

dmb:

waiting until the spring before I buy one

[14:53:08]

devinheitmueller:

dmb: but I'm a little closer to the transmitter than Mahwah: http://www.devinheitmueller.com/dsc00801.jpg

[14:53:36]

Beirdo:

I'll hopefully rebuild in a month or so... at which time the guidance of the smart people here as to which ATSC tuner to purchase will be handy

[14:53:41]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: I dunno, but last night I was thinking about some cards requiring PCI 2.2 and not working in older spec motherboards

[14:53:56]

Beirdo:

well, I tried it in a new mobo

[14:53:56]

** iamlindoro sends someone to clean devinheitmueller's windows **

[14:54:01]

dmb:

lol

[14:54:04]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: that should be googlable though so I guess you've found out by now

[14:54:25]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Yeah, it costs about $120 to get my windows cleaned, so I haven't paid to have it done since moving in.

[14:54:29]

Beirdo:

I won't throw it out, but I'm pretty sure it's an ex-tuner

[14:54:41]

** iamlindoro recalls window cleaner, pockets $120 **

[14:54:51]

Beirdo:

it's not dead, it's just sleeping

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AndyCap:

The norwegian blue air2pc

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: you're welcome to, but at 7 stories up I don't think you would really want to.

[14:55:33]

Beirdo:

aye.

[14:55:47]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: the rapelling windowcleaners charge 120 bucks?

[14:55:58]

Beirdo:

poor air2pc.

[14:56:19]

devinheitmueller:

The don't come from the roof. They use harnesses/ropes to secure themselves from inside the apartment.

[14:56:22]

Beirdo:

last time I was in a high-rise, the condo fee covered cleaning

[14:56:45]

devinheitmueller:

I've never actually seen it done, and in fact am quite curious myself how they would clean my particular window configuration.

[14:56:51]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:57:16]

devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: it's not a high-rise. The Coop is responsible for the structural aspects of the windows (for example, if they break), but the shareholder is responsible for cleaning.

[14:57:34]

Beirdo:

ah. I guess that's a sensible split

[14:57:55]

Beirdo:

so if you want em cleaned for free, go bowling for windows?

[14:57:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: So get yourself a rope and do it yourself... ;-)

[14:57:59]

dmb:

and... the snow turned into rain

[14:58:40]

devinheitmueller:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, I can't for insurance reasons.

[14:58:55]

Beirdo:

hehe

[14:58:56]

devinheitmueller:

The window cleaners need nearly two million dollars in insurance.

[14:59:15]

Beirdo:

what a crazy world we live in

[14:59:24]

devinheitmueller:

At that height, if the guy drops a bucket he would likely kill someone.

[14:59:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

? In case they fall on top of a Ferrari Enzo parked beneath them?

[14:59:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, for sure

[14:59:38]

devinheitmueller:

... hence the insurance.

[14:59:57]

Beirdo:

a squeegee to the head from that height would suck

[15:00:08]

devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: agreed.

[15:00:27]

Beirdo:

maybe not for long, but it would suck

[15:00:45]

devinheitmueller:

I worry far less about the possibility of property damage (such as some guy's Ferrari) as I am more concerned about the implications of the guy falling out the window or dropping something.

[15:00:56]

Beirdo:

yeah

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AndyCap:

s/the guy/you/

[15:01:15]

Beirdo:

the Ferrari has insurance too, and is still only a posession

[15:01:19]

AndyCap:

if you're going to do it yourself.

[15:01:20]

Beirdo:

not a life.

[15:01:23]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: Well, obviously I would be more concerned about *me* falling out the Window, but that's only to be expected.

[15:02:05]

Beirdo:

and any fool who has a Ferrari with no insurance deserves to have it totalled by a falling object

[15:02:14]

devinheitmueller:

Speaking of bad puns and windows, my office mate asked if any of the meteorologists had windows, and I told him that maybe they are all Mac users.

[15:02:17]

AndyCap:

btw. who builds a seven story building with windows you can't flip to wash?

[15:02:30]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: It's very common.

[15:02:49]

AndyCap:

got floor to ceiling windows then?

[15:02:52]

devinheitmueller:

... not so much for *new* construction, but this building was renovated over thirty years ago now.

[15:03:01]

devinheitmueller:

They are not quite ceiling to floor, but pretty close.

[15:03:21]

devinheitmueller:

It's a twelve foot ceiling, with windows from the ceiling down to about three feet.

[15:03:30]

Beirdo:

nice

[15:04:02]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I like it. Lots of sunlight, but it makes it harder to cool.

[15:05:31]

Beirdo:

for sure.

[15:05:38]

Beirdo:

nice thick drapes would help

[15:05:59]

Beirdo:

but then the sunlight ain't there

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devinheitmueller:

I've got vertical blinds which I keep closed during the day when I'm not there, which helps quite a bit in the summer.

[15:08:19]

Beirdo:

yeah, amazing how much difference it can make

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dmb:

i HATE the summer (no air conditioning)

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Beirdo:

I've learned to live without it. AC is too expensive to run here (for houses)

[15:10:37]

Beirdo:

but the AC in my car is never off :)

[15:10:45]

Beirdo:

at least not while I'm in it

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dmb:

Beirdo: when you live in a former attic, which is right next to the roof

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dmb:

with temps above 95 degrees every night

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dmb:

(hot air gets trapped)

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Beirdo:

heh

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dmb:

not very fun

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dmb:

even with fans blowing right on you

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Beirdo:

live above parliament?

[15:14:10]

Beirdo:

lots of hot air there

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dmb:

parliament?

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Beirdo:

OK, Congress

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Beirdo:

hehe

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dmb:

ah heh

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Beirdo:

/win 11

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Beirdo:

argh

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dmb:

FAIL

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dmb:

<3 mythtv

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dmb:

devinheitmueller: now its snowing :P

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rowinggolfer:

folks, my mythbox (a combined backend/frontend running mythbuntu 9.10) is reporting zombie processes (yet otherwise working fine) what should I do ? terminal output is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/383892/

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wagnerrp:

figure out why X keeps crashing and restarting, leaving processes of the living dead

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devinheitmueller:

dmb: Still just raining here.

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wagnerrp:

does it _ever_ snow there?

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rowinggolfer:

wagnerrp: thanks

[15:40:40]

wagnerrp:

hell, youre practically in the rainforest arent you?

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devinheitmueller:

Well, the last two "blizzards" left Manhattan with zero inches of snow.

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wagnerrp:

nevermind

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wagnerrp:

was thinking Beirdo

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and the rain forest is at the other end of the island, but yes :)

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Beirdo:

it's still close

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iamlindoro:

rowinggolfer: You shouldn't do anything-- defunct Mythfrontend processes are the result of a harmless Qt bug. The defunct processes will get cleaned up with the parent, real, mythfrontend process finishes

[15:44:32]

iamlindoro:

meaning it's causing you no harm, and there's nothing you can do about the extra harmless processes anyway

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rowinggolfer:

iamlindoro: ok, thanks

[15:45:28]

wagnerrp:

ah, didnt know about that one

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wagnerrp:

only time ive had defunct processes with mythtv is when X failed, and left mythtv hanging

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iamlindoro:

rowinggolfer: np

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rowinggolfer:

incidentally, my frontend log is a mess. screensaver and audio errors.

[15:49:15]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: what, is it just not listening to SIGCHILD and waiting on the child pid?

[15:49:45]

Beirdo:

or is it more in-depth than that in the end

[15:49:51]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I don't know the specifics other than to say it's an upstream bug, sphery did a lot of investigating it

[15:50:00]

Beirdo:

heh, OK

[15:50:19]

Beirdo:

was just curious and all :)

[15:50:22]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7135

[15:50:29]

iamlindoro:

See close message/resolution for the upstream info

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dmb:

um, where can you revert a bad display setting?

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dmb:

i screwed something up

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dmb:

-r worked

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dmb:

is there a key to force to go back to live?

[16:50:02]

wagnerrp:

just fast forward until you get to the end of the commercial break

[16:50:13]

wagnerrp:

or the end of the buffer

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wagnerrp:

whichever comes fiest

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wagnerrp:

skip forward may go straight to the end of buffer, since it wont be flagged

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dmb:

stoth: you from NJ also?

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stoth:

dmb: NY

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dmb:

oh

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dmb:

stoth: qam with cablevision sucks :(

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stoth:

dmb: not for me.

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Beirdo:

heh

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dmb:

stoth: in my town, only broadcast channels are qam, rest are all encrypted

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stoth:

dmb: do you have their 4250HD stb?

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dmb:

i think the model is the model below it

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jamesd2:

i think it would be nice if myth-backend scanned for commercials during recording... my oteron box barely does better than real time scanning of shows....

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zxrod:

Hi, I'm wondering about a good tv tuner to use with the DirecTV HD22 box? Anyone familiar with this?

[17:09:09]

dmb:

stoth: is there a way to do passthrough with that?

[17:09:45]

stoth:

dmb: use the firewire port, you'll be incredibly happy with mythtv then.

[17:10:06]

dmb:

heh, never tried that

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Beirdo:

jamesd2: then why would you want to affect recordings by slamming the processor DURING recording rather than postprocessing an unaffected recording?

[17:11:23]

stoth:

Beirdo: So you can watch 15minutes behind live

[17:11:52]

jamesd2:

Beirdo, it would be nice to do it seletively... like when the wife is going to want to watch a show 15 mjinutes after its over...

[17:12:13]

Beirdo:

stoth: yeah, I guess having it as an option might be OK, but if commflagging is "barely better than realtime", then that will likely affect the quality of recordings in many cases

[17:12:50]

Beirdo:

unless it's artificially slowed down

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jamesd2:

and recording even hd tv uses about 7% of my cpu... plenty left to flag commercials and the show is allready in memory so probably quicker than re-reading the whole thing.

[17:13:13]

Beirdo:

well, it has to decode the frames

[17:13:17]

stoth:

Beirdo: I believe you are wrong, based on success stories I've heard. (On something faster than a 1ghz POS)

[17:13:21]

Beirdo:

that's the limiting factor

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iamlindoro:

We already allow commflagging for in-progress recordings

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Beirdo:

stoth: I'm not trying to argue, but if the PC *can't* commflag at significantly faster than realtime, it is using a lot of CPU

[17:14:19]

iamlindoro:

It's a tickbox in mythtv-setup

[17:14:21]

iamlindoro:

off by default

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: nice.

[17:14:30]

jamesd2:

iamlindoro, does .22 support it?

[17:14:33]

iamlindoro:

works nicely with the obvious caveat that your hardware allows it

[17:14:40]

iamlindoro:

jamesd2: yeah, it's a very old option

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Beirdo:

yeah, just start the pipeline sooner :) if there's the CPU to handle it, that would work well

[17:15:03]

iamlindoro:

was there in .21 and even .20 IIRC

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stoth:

Beirdo: Nethier am I.

[17:15:11]

Beirdo:

:)

[17:15:43]

jamesd2:

iamlindoro, can you enable it per show or per recording group?

[17:15:48]

Beirdo:

is scheduled commflagging run niced or anything at this point?

[17:15:58]

iamlindoro:

It's a global setting

[17:16:23]

stoth:

commflag keeps segfaulting on me, taking my backend down. Wife is on the lookout for the mythdev, she's not happy.

[17:16:33]

iamlindoro:

I don't know whether it's niced down or not, I suspect it honors the priority set for all commflag jobs

[17:16:34]

Beirdo:

oh oh

[17:16:40]

stoth:

apparently fixes in .22 as it's external.

[17:16:53]

Beirdo:

that was... who again? ;)

[17:16:53]

iamlindoro:

stoth: What version of myth are you running?

[17:17:02]

stoth:

except you can run .21-fixes frontend with a .22 backend, or so I hear.

[17:17:07]

iamlindoro:

mythcommflag has been external for... always?

[17:17:11]

iamlindoro:

s/can/can't/

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stoth:

dunno iamlindoro, my mythbacked on .21-fixes keeps crashing during (what looks like) commercial detection

[17:18:00]

iamlindoro:

stoth: have a backtrace?

[17:18:09]

iamlindoro:

commflag should be wholly unable to bring down the BE

[17:18:12]

stoth:

I have a shit load of backed logs, yes

[17:18:17]

stoth:

backend,

[17:18:24]

iamlindoro:

not the logs, a real BT from gdb

[17:18:28]

stoth:

nope

[17:18:31]

iamlindoro:

(and no swearing please in here)

[17:18:38]

stoth:

small stacktrace in the be logs, that's it

[17:19:23]

iamlindoro:

stoth: First thing you ought to do is get to .22, but if you see the issues then a BT as in section 23 of the manual would be very helpful

[17:19:32]

stoth:

wife wants to ditch myth and go back to windows. Hard to say no at this point.

[17:19:46]

stoth:

iamlindoro: can I used a .21-fixes frontend with a .22 backend?

[17:19:52]

iamlindoro:

There were some instances in .21 where poor signal strength/broken stream could cause issues, that should mostly no longer occur

[17:19:54]

iamlindoro:

stoth: no

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dustybin:

who won the theme competition?

[17:20:19]

mag0o:

heh

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Beirdo:

not me

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stoth:

iamlindoro: bah!

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: judging has not occurred

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dustybin:

aye ok

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Beirdo:

I didn't enter, so I didn't win :)

[17:21:12]

dustybin:

Beirdo: the same thing happened to me :D

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Beirdo:

trust me.. if I DID enter, I wouldn't win either

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mag0o:

well, you probably could have if you did enter...there were what, 3 entries?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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high-rez:

So i opened a RT ticket for missing channels but it was closed without without only a couple of the channles mixed :(

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Beirdo:

oh jeez. No, I'd be in last. I'm not graphically inclined :)

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Beirdo:

I could try to make a theme that looks like a console app...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mag0o:

now, there's an idea

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mag0o:

:)

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mag0o:

call it ncurses

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Beirdo:

make it look like top or something

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mag0o:

MythCurses

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Beirdo:

or beirdobot's console :)

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high-rez:

For example, I reported msnbc hd missing from the lineup (all tiers) and it wasn't added. :/ Infact the closed ticket referenced channels that were already in the lineup properly.

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dmb:

devinheitmueller: do you have any idea where I start with the remote control :P?

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dmb:

i plugged the wire thing into the ir port of the card

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devinheitmueller:

dmb: on the hvr-1600? Hmmm, no I do not.

[17:33:39]

devinheitmueller:

You can look at the linuxtv.org wiki page and see if it has any suggestions.

[17:33:40]

dmb:

seems like most of the guides refer to usb recievers

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devinheitmueller:

I actually don't think I have a version of the 1600 with the IR receiver.

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dmb:

oh

[17:34:57]

dmb:

it also has a transmitter

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dmb:

no needs for that

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devinheitmueller:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#IR_Transmitter

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dmb:

i think thats for the transmitter

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devinheitmueller:

indeed.

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obruT:

I got problem with scanning for analog tv programs, it finds nothing, at "channel editor" when searching on status it displays "No lock", tuner is avermedia volar hx (hybrid), DTV works ok in mythtv, tvtime works ok with analog (it found all channels) but mythtv do not...

[17:43:48]

devinheitmueller:

obruT: analog tv scanning is completely disabled in MythTV.

[17:43:55]

devinheitmueller:

It is known to be broken, and it does not work.

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devinheitmueller:

obruT: here is the ticket where it was disabled in 0.22: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6530

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wagnerrp:

s/broken/not-even-written/

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obruT:

devinheitmueller: ok, what can I do to enable analog channels in MythTv ? can I somehow import channels from xawtv or tvtime ? (manually configuring one by one could be painfull)

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wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind... daniel says it is broken

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devinheitmueller:

obruT: Your only option is to either enter them manually via the channel editor, or downgrade to 0.21, do the scan, and then upgrade to 0.22.

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obruT:

devinheitmueller: ok, thanx

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jolaren:

Anyone of you know a plugin that implents libspotify in mythtv?

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jolaren:

Thought I guess there's few european users here who could care less about the libspotify packet

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wagnerrp:

meaning they care about it some?

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jolaren:

The european users care alot I'd bet.. spotify is the greatest music program -ever (my own opinion)

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highzeth:

Im euro and couldnt care less about spotify

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jolaren:

Some people don't like it, way of life :P I really enjoy it tho

[19:17:41]

highzeth:

ampache, quickplay & amdroid is all I need to have my music avail anywhere I go

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jolaren:

highzeth, I guess you purschase alot of music :P I don't I like to listen to it for free legally :)

[19:19:10]

highzeth:

you dont like to listen to it for free legally?

[19:19:26]

highzeth:

yes, I buy my music

[19:20:23]

jolaren:

I do like to listen to music for free, that was my point

[19:20:38]

jolaren:

I don't buy any music, I pay for a spotify premium account

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highzeth:

Id rather spend my money on getting a copy rather than to rely on a service that might turn tits up

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obruT:

I got one stupid question: is MythTv stable enough for daily usage ? in about 20 minutes I managed to make it stop responding to any keys... by simply browsing through menu (m), and I did it twice in those 20 minutes

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obruT:

and I got no luck with analog channels, I added several manually in channel editor but when going through channels (keys up and down) they just doesn't display...

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highzeth:

yes its stable enough, havent had analogue sources since -04/05, so cant speak for that bit

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Beirdo:

la la la

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jolaren:

Got tips on good places to buy cheap tuners? ebay/china?

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dorgan:

what does everyone think about building a fe/be based on this combo? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDeta . . . Combo.328159

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jolaren:

dorgan, I have the same mobo, works fine for me

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dorgan:

jolaren: what size power supply do you use?

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dorgan:

meaning Watts?

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wagnerrp:

dorgan: what do you intend to put in this BE?

[21:01:39]

dorgan:

BE/FE

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dorgan:

inside this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811204035

[21:02:35]

wagnerrp:

chances are with those parts listed, you cannot install enough drives in that case to max out a 300W supply

[21:02:56]

dorgan:

oh yeah 300? I was think minimum 450

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bonelifer|BBL:

I have that video card. From reviews at different sites, it seems a good buy. It only draws power from the pci-e slot so it doesn't need extra power.

[21:03:07]

dorgan:

nice

[21:03:23]

wagnerrp:

the processor is going to pull 65W maximum, more likely 20–40W

[21:03:32]

wagnerrp:

the video card is going to pull another 40–50W

[21:03:37]

wagnerrp:

the board, maybe 15W

[21:03:45]

wagnerrp:

10–15 for the memory

[21:04:03]

wagnerrp:

and 15–20W for spinup of each hard drive

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dorgan:

so i guess going with the HDHomerun works out well less power/heat in case

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jolaren:

dorgan, 400w

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dorgan:

will i need a micro-ATX power supply for the case I listed?

[21:04:50]

jolaren:

dorgan, i wouldve gone with a 300w but none les was found

[21:05:04]

wagnerrp:

that case appears to take a standard ATX supply

[21:05:14]

wagnerrp:

there is no such things as a 'micro-atx' power supply

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bonelifer|BBL:

Looks like it would use a regular ATX power supply

[21:05:55]

wagnerrp:

youre probably thinking of SFX and TFX that you often see in use by inwin and shuttle machines

[21:06:37]

wagnerrp:

which are not that frequently found, and even less often found worthwhile

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bonelifer|BBL:

From going to user reviews and searching for power supply the first review with those terms says: "Plenty of room, supports ATX power supply"

[21:07:55]

jolaren:

the hauppage wintv nova-t 500 are like 90euro's in sweden :( and so cheap in the us

[21:08:13]

wagnerrp:

you can buy nova-t cards in the US?

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jolaren:

you can't? thought so

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jolaren:

perhaps it was aussies

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wagnerrp:

we dont have DVB-T

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Beirdo:

US doesn't have much (any?) DVB-T

[21:08:57]

bonelifer|BBL:

anything can be got on ebay. :)

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wagnerrp:

a nova-t would be absolutely worthless over here

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jolaren:

wagnerrp, yer i was thinkin bout the aussies

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Beirdo:

Wow. I'm sure Aussies would be offended to be mistaken for Americans :)

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wagnerrp:

90E isnt bad for a dual digital tuner

[21:09:58]

jolaren:

I guess not :-)

[21:10:14]

jolaren:

I installed a 15 usd 1x tuner dvb-t from dealextreme on a friends computer

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jolaren:

worked fine

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Beirdo:

90Euro's what in US$, 130ish?

[21:10:24]

jolaren:

was usb tho (i dont want things stickin out)

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wagnerrp:

~$120

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Beirdo:

that's not bad :)

[21:10:51]

wagnerrp:

no, not at all

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jolaren:

90euro equals 121,87

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wagnerrp:

a bit cheaper than you usually find 2250s

[21:11:12]

Beirdo:

I should get one to install into justinh's machine so he can capture BBC7 for me :)

[21:11:12]

wagnerrp:

and much cheaper than HDHRs

[21:11:15]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just kidding, BTW

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jolaren:

just buy a 15 usd dvb-t card from china :P

[21:11:50]

Beirdo:

does me no good unless I'm in the UK :)

[21:12:14]

jolaren:

:)

[21:12:48]

jolaren:

I guess I'll have to invest in annother hauppage card

[21:12:52]

Beirdo:

with satellite, you could likely receive it :) but I am being silly... the internet still works for me

[21:12:53]

wagnerrp:

dont you have a nice big antenna over there that could probably pick it up?

[21:13:09]

jolaren:

Just that I have a pretty weak channel strenght tho already and I believe a splitter would make it even worse

[21:13:34]

wagnerrp:

i hear no one is using it currently from lack of funding

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Beirdo:

amplify then split

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Beirdo:

heh. can't aim that puppy at European birds

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jolaren:

Beirdo, amplify, how?

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Beirdo:

Think it's still running though

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wagnerrp:

sure... but tha gain is so high you could probably pick up reflections off the ionosphere

[21:14:40]

Beirdo:

ummm, an amplifier?

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Beirdo:

splitters are only 3dB loss

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wagnerrp:

s/only/at minimum/

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jolaren:

Beirdo, I googled for a picture now.. I understand you now

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Beirdo:

well, 2-way are only 3.5dB usually

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Beirdo:

google Arecibo observatory

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Beirdo:

THAT is an antenna :)

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jolaren:

hehe wifi bazooka <3

[21:16:19]

Beirdo:

radio observatory :)

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wagnerrp:

you hear anything more about that getting shut down?

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Beirdo:

the source of SETI data

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Beirdo:

nah, they say that every year

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wagnerrp:

last i heard, Cornell didnt have the money to pay for it

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Beirdo:

it will cost billions to mothball it safely

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jolaren:

Some guy at holiday location (whatever to call it?) has connected his router to his parabolic antenn on the roof

[21:17:20]

jolaren:

The place where I have my country houes

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jolaren:

house'

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jolaren:

That's pretty sweet, he can take signals from the other side of the water

[21:17:39]

wagnerrp:

really? why? it didnt cost anything like that to build

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Beirdo:

because they'd have to put it back to natural state

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Beirdo:

stupid laws :)

[21:18:01]

wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

nah

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wagnerrp:

just fill it with water

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Beirdo:

can't

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jolaren:

I'm so sad I don't have Comedy Central HD

[21:18:26]

wagnerrp:

artificial lake

[21:18:28]

wagnerrp:

you lie

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Beirdo:

it's in the mountains...

[21:18:29]

jolaren:

I just can't wait til it'll send in Sweden

[21:18:32]

wagnerrp:

i saw it in a movie

[21:18:39]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:18:39]

wagnerrp:

movies are real i tell you

[21:18:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, and they said it was Cuba

[21:18:52]

wagnerrp:

minor details

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Beirdo:

retarded 007

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Beirdo:

Cuba has better rum

[21:19:09]

Beirdo:

and better cigars

[21:19:31]

Beirdo:

both fully legal for Canadians in Canada :)

[21:19:31]

jolaren:

I'm thinkin about lowering the fan on the CPU (it sounds alot) I can do that from bios, should I check something before doing so?

[21:19:35]

wagnerrp:

that was a great movie... only decent bond we got out of brosnen though

[21:19:51]

Beirdo:

my favorite rum is Cuban... my favorite cigars are too.

[21:19:51]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:19:56]

wagnerrp:

jolaren: cpu temperature

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Beirdo:

yeah, it was a good movie

[21:20:01]

wagnerrp:

can also be done in the bios

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wagnerrp:

they went downhill from there....

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Beirdo:

They went downhill after Connery, IMHO

[21:20:53]

wagnerrp:

the dalton ones were pretty good

[21:21:04]

Beirdo:

yeah, but not as good :)

[21:21:22]

Beirdo:

he was a good plateau, but lower than Connery :)

[21:21:47]

wagnerrp:

and of course Walken is the greatest evil mastermind ever

[21:22:00]

Beirdo:

Oh yeah, he was good :)

[21:22:21]

bonelifer:

what's that? more cowbell?

[21:22:47]

Beirdo:

let's flood Silicon Valley :)

[21:22:48]

wagnerrp:

nah, more oil wells

[21:23:00]

wagnerrp:

its cool, i have a blimp

[21:23:07]

Beirdo:

heh

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bonelifer:

Yes, sir, got your cowbell right here. He's good at suprising people.

[21:24:15]

Beirdo:

OMG, why did I buy gummy bears

[21:24:27]

Beirdo:

never go to Walgreens when you're hungry

[21:24:28]

bonelifer:

because they're YUMMY?

[21:24:31]

Beirdo:

bad bad bad

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Beirdo:

that they are

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Beirdo:

and keyboard-friendly

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bonelifer:

Never go to Walgreens period.

[21:24:58]

Beirdo:

but not really nutritious

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

I had to pick up my prescriptions :)

[21:25:16]

bonelifer:

My pharmacist would beat me senseless if she knew I had been there.

[21:25:41]

bonelifer:

She hates them like nothing else.

[21:25:44]

Beirdo:

of course.

[21:26:00]

Beirdo:

because they have better prices, and likely wouldn't hire her? :)

[21:26:10]

wagnerrp:

any suggestion of what to use to re-lube a fan?

[21:26:22]

Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

sorry...

[21:26:31]

bonelifer:

She used to work for them. Plus from my own experience, they are RUDE, don't know what they are doing, etc.

[21:26:37]

wagnerrp:

i tried graphite, but that didnt last too long

[21:26:38]

Beirdo:

my brain went straight to the gutter, wagnerrp

[21:26:42]

Beirdo:

KY

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

anyways.

[21:27:18]

Beirdo:

bonelifer: I'm sure it's different in different places... not that it matters anyways

[21:27:43]

wagnerrp:

i went to walgreens a couple months ago to pick up a prescription

[21:27:45]

bonelifer:

We have like 3 Wal-Greens, its the same all over.

[21:27:58]

wagnerrp:

it was like 7:30pm, and while i was waiting, they got a call

[21:28:19]

wagnerrp:

they had it on speakerphone, and i overheard the person on the other end as 'how do i tell if someone has alcohol poisoning'

[21:28:45]

Beirdo:

if I want a 24hr pharmacy.. I have a choice of Walgreens... or Walgreens

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bonelifer:

I think that USADrugs is 24 hour drive through.

[21:29:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, but I'd have to drive across the ocean to get there

[21:30:05]

Beirdo:

CVS *just* came to Puerto Rico, and aren't open yet

[21:30:20]

bonelifer:

Plus we have a place called Crawfords that delivers to your house and I believe they will come in to fill an order if it's an emergency.

[21:30:47]

bonelifer:

are you from Puerto Rico?

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Beirdo:

no.

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Beirdo:

From Canada

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Beirdo:

living in Puerto Rico :)

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bonelifer:

No. Not that.

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bonelifer:

cries.

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bonelifer:

:)

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Beirdo:

heh

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bonelifer:

a friend of mine just moved to Illinois from there. His dad is with the US Air Force.

[21:31:58]

Beirdo:

so much for the gummy bears

[21:32:23]

Beirdo:

It's nice down here...

[21:32:34]

Beirdo:

but the power grid blows

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bonelifer:

I have this bad habit of eating the whole bag of gummy bears, bad I know.

[21:32:47]

Beirdo:

yeah me too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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bonelifer:

They just moved from Canada. :)

[21:33:17]

Beirdo:

heh

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bonelifer:

I don't think his dad has ever been to Puerto Rico.

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Beirdo:

Ohhh, CSI Miami... in Spanish

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Beirdo:

no Air Force base here anymore

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Beirdo:

Aguadilla used to have one... it's now long decommissioned

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bonelifer:

I have all the Spanish channels disabled so you have to manually type the channel number in.

[21:34:36]

Beirdo:

Ramey Air Force Base

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wagnerrp:

what does the language matter?

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Beirdo:

if I did that, I'd have one channel

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wagnerrp:

words dont take his sunglasses on and off

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Beirdo:

and don't make the women any less attractive

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bonelifer:

At one time he was a good actor, not anymore.

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wagnerrp:

when was that?

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bonelifer:

Before I was born?

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bonelifer:

:)

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wagnerrp:

when he got his ass kicked by rambo?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I don't mind his acting

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bonelifer:

and I'll be 31 in April

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Beirdo:

his attitude however...

[21:36:25]

Beirdo:

Mr. "I'm too good for NYPD Blue"

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Beirdo:

OK, loser

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bonelifer:

Also his character need extradited to Brazil, if the people he arrest aren't above the law and he's going to give them a hard time. Then he needs to do hard time for that murder.

[21:36:59]

Beirdo:

quit making sense.

[21:37:04]

Beirdo:

it's TV, not reality

[21:37:12]

bonelifer:

I'm talking 30 years hard labor

[21:37:12]

wagnerrp:

either of you watch burn notice?

[21:37:18]

Beirdo:

yeah

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kormoc:

NOES! IT'S THE TRUTH!

[21:37:20]

Beirdo:

when I can

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bonelifer:

Love it.

[21:37:56]

wagnerrp:

they had bruce campbell mimic the dramatic eyewear last week

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Beirdo:

and I missed it

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bonelifer:

I missed it. I had to go walk the bags of fur otherwise known as my sisters dogs.

[21:38:22]

Beirdo:

dang

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Beirdo:

go pick up chicks

[21:38:49]

Beirdo:

that's what dogs are for... don't you watch TV?

[21:39:06]

bonelifer:

5 dogs, all large, all live INSIDE the HOUSE.

[21:39:14]

Beirdo:

puppies work best

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bonelifer:

They probably wouldn't work so good for that.

[21:39:23]

Beirdo:

what is she thinking?

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bonelifer:

You ASSume to much Beirdo.

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wagnerrp:

huh... seems the bearing doesnt use lubrication

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Beirdo:

ohhh, she wasn't? :)

[21:39:51]

wagnerrp:

a good cleaning and the fan works great

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wagnerrp:

can that be right?

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bonelifer:

dog hoarder

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Beirdo:

when the dog food budget exceeds the human food budget, it's time to stop collecting mutts

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bonelifer:

the two chocolate labs yank you around. So I yanked right back with the lead real hard every other step for awhile and they learned REAL SLOW.

[21:41:08]

dorgan:

just ordered: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDeta . . . p;Tpk=328159 plus HDHome Run on amazon

[21:41:12]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

labs are great dogs though

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Beirdo:

stubborn, but great dogs

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bonelifer:

Well these are dogs that were abandoned and they never REALLY trained them.

[21:41:47]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

a 80+ lb untrained furry missile

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bonelifer:

The male is large than the rest. He's a complete WIMP. hollar at him even a little and he runs under the table.

[21:42:46]

Beirdo:

awww, poor abused dog

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Beirdo:

I hate it when dogs have been abused so much they are scared silly like that

[21:43:13]

bonelifer:

it doesn't take a lot to rattle my chain and he's a little dense. therefore my chain rattles a lot with him.

[21:43:14]

Beirdo:

I feel like abusing the former ownes

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bonelifer:

He should realize don't yank me and he gets to stay out longer, yank me till my shoulder almost pulls out of socket and he barely has time to pee and poop and it's back in. Like I said, real dense.

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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bonelifer:

and she's hyper stupid.

[21:45:22]

bonelifer:

really needs a farm or something she'd be good with farm animals.

[21:45:32]

bonelifer:

it'd give her something to chase.

[21:45:46]

Beirdo:

hehe

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pete27:

Hi, I'm trying to get image metadata to download for my movie collection in mythvideo. 'W' just downloads the text metadata. Anyone know how to get other stuff like images?

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bonelifer:

at least with the other 3, I can let them loose together while I have one of them on a leash. They listen, sometimes it takes me raising my voice if they don't respond to the whistle or I have to yell in a lower voice, but they eventually come back.

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Aval0n:

anyone heard from torg?

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jolaren:

I'm trying to remove two recordings from mythtv but I can't for the life of me

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jolaren:

If I cd to the location (/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/) I can see some viewing but I don't know which is which

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wagnerrp:

!seen torg

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MythLogBot:

torg was last seen 728 days 2 minutes 16 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

Aval0n: guess not

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jolaren:

When I enter delete recordings it just brings me to the "show recordings" dialog

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wagnerrp:

there is no longer a 'delete recordings' screen

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wagnerrp:

as it is no longer necessary

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wagnerrp:

either hit 'd', or hit 'm' and scroll to the bottom of the list

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jolaren:

wagnerrp, "d" worked flawlessly, stupid me

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jolaren:

I have a remote which isn't really HID it's like 50% hid 50% keystrokes.. I'm trying to set keystrokes to the keymanager in mythtv

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jolaren:

One of the keys on my remote lists "Meta+Ctrl+Alt+Shift+"a sign that looks like a square" then after when pressing that button it gives no output

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dmb:

is it bad

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dmb:

if i think my tuner needs to boot into windows

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dmb:

before it will work in linux?

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bonelifer:

bad no. illogical yes

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dmb:

going to confirm it

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dmb:

if i start the computer from no power

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dmb:

i don't think it works

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dmb:

if i boot into windows, then restart into linux, it does, going to try one more time

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jamesd2:

some tuners need firmware installed and you have to install that firmware in linux before the card works from a cold start in linux.

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bonelifer:

sort of like the m-media(sp?) usb sound card?

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bonelifer:

interesting.

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jamesd2:

my kworld 115 needs it that way... i don't know why they stopped selling them... $75 dual digital+analog including svideo in...

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