Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Beirdo:

SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE is the one missing

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Beirdo:

1.0.15 doesn't have it. 1.0.17a does

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Beirdo:

not sure about 1.0.16

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Beirdo:

janneg: http://pastebin.ca/1812918 (just so you have it somewhere you can bring it up in a browser for later)

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Stevieman:

I ran mythtranscode on a recording and it grew from 1.1 to 1.3 gigs. I assume this is because I set the quality for the auto transcode to high when I setup the recording. Is there a way to change it to a lower quality and re-run the transcode?

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sphery:

Beirdo: SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE is probably the important part of alsalib (which was required by some new audio changes in mid-Oct last year). It was added in alsalib 1.0.16rc1 (from Jan 22, 2008)

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Beirdo:

perfect

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sphery:

TTBOMK, that's the current requirement

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Beirdo:

that check needs to be in configure if ALSA's enabled :)

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

added your comment to the pastebin post :)

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sphery:

heh, just finished reading scrollback and you already knew what was missing

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sphery:

Beirdo: btw, note that edited pastebin posts get new links (don't change the originals)

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Beirdo:

http://pastebin.ca/1812923

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Beirdo:

you're right

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but the version number requirement is helpful

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janneg:

that looks like a flag, adding a #ifndef x #define x 0 might be better since it doesn't forces libasound updates

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Beirdo:

I hadn't had the time to get to the precise version

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sphery:

janneg: think this is the change that up'ed the alsalib version: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22432

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Beirdo:

janneg: possibly. Not sure how that would affect the functionality

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janneg:

if that doesn't break audio output

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sphery:

it's just or'ed with some other flags

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sphery:

I don't think it would break things

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sphery:

jya would be the best person to ask

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high-rez:

Where does myth get the .mythtv/channels pngs from? Is there a way to browse the list?

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sphery:

high-rez: lyngsat

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high-rez:

Wow, that's brilliant.

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high-rez:

Saves some bandwidth :)

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high-rez:

Does it use imagemagick to resize the 50x50 versions?

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sphery:

high-rez: they have high-resolution versions where some have transparency, so manually downloading them has benefits over using the scripts/mythtv-setup thing

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sphery:

you get the small/opaque versions from the scripts

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high-rez:

Totally. Its a lot of manual updating to do – but would be worth it.

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jya:

removing the upsampler would be a difficult task ; even if conditional

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jya:

I'll look into it

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jya:

but which distrib still uses something < 1.0.16 ?

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sphery:

so if we opened the device without the SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE flag, it would be a problem?

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sphery:

like: <+janneg> that looks like a flag, adding a #ifndef x #define x 0 might be better since it doesn't forces libasound updates

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Beirdo:

jya: ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS

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Beirdo:

I forklift-upgraded the lib to 1.0.17a

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high-rez:

sphery: It appears the lyngsat versions are all jpeg. Do I need to convert them to png – or will myth be happy either way ?

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Beirdo:

I think the *nice* way is to check in configure, and abort if you try with an old version :)

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sphery:

nice... lyngsat just crashed my firefox

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Beirdo:

no need to remove features if it will break stuff

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high-rez:

Err, i guess tons of em are jpg, nm :)

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sphery:

high-rez: I think the jpg works, but I think they also have png's

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sphery:

I'm pretty certain the high-resolution ones with transparency are png's

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high-rez:

Ahh

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Beirdo:

welcome back

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Stevieman:

crazy connection

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Stevieman:

any thoughts on my mythtranscode problem?

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wagnerrp:

where are these recordings from?

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Stevieman:

I setup the recordings using mythweb and set the auto transcode in the web interface.

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wagnerrp:

where are the recordings from?

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wagnerrp:

framegrabber? mpeg encoder? digital tuner? hdpvr?

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Stevieman:

From my cable connection

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Stevieman:

mpeg encoder

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Stevieman:

sorry hockey is on

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Stevieman:

PVR-150 card to be exact

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Stevieman:

Team canada is falling apart right no

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Stevieman:

now

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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wagnerrp:

so this is a half hour recording, with a bit of padding?

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Beirdo:

we won 2 gold medals for speed skating tonight

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Stevieman:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean 'we'?

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Beirdo:

Canada

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Beirdo:

:)

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Stevieman:

Right, I saw the men's clip

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wagnerrp:

you're a US territory

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wagnerrp:

why do you have your own team

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Beirdo:

I'm still a Canadian citizen

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kormoc:

George Bush hates Territories

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Beirdo:

and Puerto Rico DOES go to the Olympics separately

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Stevieman:

I'm sure I picked the wrong transcode level as some of them shrunk quite nicely.

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Stevieman:

I thought for a moment the Leafs were playing in the Olympics

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kormoc:

I fail to understand how the Canadian Hockey team could fall apart, it's all you guys do I swear...

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

we drink beer too

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Stevieman:

Slovakia seems to want the win more right now

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kormoc:

well, the two are tied together :P

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wagnerrp:

Stevieman: anyway, youre transcoding from the default IVTV bitrate of 4400kbps

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wagnerrp:

to something greater than that

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Beirdo:

YAY

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kormoc:

Walk into any Canadian bar on hockey night and you can't not see that

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Beirdo:

Canada + USA for Gold

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Beirdo:

don't screw up again.. thanks

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Stevieman:

So very lucky tonight

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wagnerrp:

youre probably using RTjpeg

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kormoc:

We'll never let you live it down if you lose

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wagnerrp:

which is actually going to result in lower compression than the stock recordings

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, well. the women hockey team proved it too :)

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wagnerrp:

you want to use mpeg4

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wagnerrp:

although you probably dont want to use either of those

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wagnerrp:

you probably want to use lossless transcoding to just clip commercials

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: yah, the problem is how do I change the setting?

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wagnerrp:

or use nuvexport so you dont end up with nuvs

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wagnerrp:

setup --> tv settings --> recording profiles --> transcoders

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Beirdo:

Stevieman: was it you that was having nuvexport issues with transcode?

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: my nuvexport equires a update via SVN and the last time I did an update via SVN I killed my system

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Stevieman:

Yes it was

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Beirdo:

yeah.

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Beirdo:

you SHOULD be able to svn update only nuvexport, I think

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Beirdo:

or you can wait the (hopefully short) time until release :)

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Stevieman:

I am a bit leary about updating anything using SVN, Ive got most things working nicely right now :)

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fryfrog:

is a new version of myth due soon?

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Beirdo:

I can understand that

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Beirdo:

here's hoping.

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fryfrog:

or did you mean a new release of nuvexport?

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Stevieman:

Is it possible to have nuvexport transcode automatically?

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Beirdo:

Stevieman: not at this time, no

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fryfrog:

a point release or a major release?

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Beirdo:

as far as I remember :)

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Beirdo:

fryfrog: not sure the details

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fryfrog:

ah

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Stevieman:

bah, that's no good

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fryfrog:

i dream of using mythtv again :)

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Beirdo:

I do know we aren't supposed to be adding new features

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: feature freeze has been in effect for coming up on two weeks

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Stevieman:

ooo Gold in the 5000M mens relay for canada too

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Beirdo:

so... that's some indication of impending release often

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wagnerrp:

RC should be out shortly

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: neato :)

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Beirdo:

I ain't gonna guess as to dates.

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Stevieman:

RC's are evil ;)

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fryfrog:

the wife would probably love to have real live tv again :)

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wagnerrp:

evil you say?

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

heh....

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Beirdo:

evil is requiring all users to use SVN

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Stevieman:

yah the last RC I used had sync issues, reinstalled to 9.10(?maybe) and the sync issue went away

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Beirdo:

be thankful that's not happening

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wagnerrp:

'thank you olympics, for being the first broadcast event to top American Idol in the ratings in the last fsix years'

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Beirdo:

yeah, that was a good one, wagnerrp :)

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Stevieman:

boo to you Olympics for making American Idol the only new TV on TV for the last 2 weeks :)

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wagnerrp:

oh come on... just boo American Idol directly

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Beirdo:

boo American Idol for making the only new music formulaic crap

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wagnerrp:

there you go

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wagnerrp:

keep 'em coming

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: yah your right... Stupic American Idol, atleast canada had the sense to cancel Canadian Idol years ago

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Beirdo:

Yay!

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Beirdo:

CANCON++

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

those silly rules have definitely shaped my musical tastes

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wagnerrp:

what rules are those?

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: ok I tweaked the transcoders, how does myth know which one to use when I click the transcode button in mythweb (which is the only place I know where to start a trancode job)

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wagnerrp:

it clicks the one defined in the recording rule

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Stevieman:

1/3rd of canadian radio must be Cnadian Content

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wagnerrp:

or if you call it from the frontend, you can choose the transcode profile to use

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Stevieman:

how do I call it from the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

job options from the 'm' menu

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wagnerrp:

or... what version of mythtv are you running?

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Stevieman:

9.10 I think

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wagnerrp:

...

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fryfrog:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

must be one of those future types

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wagnerrp:

were still on 0.22 back here in 2010

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Stevieman:

son of a.... .22 sorry

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wagnerrp:

in that case, job options are in the 'i' menu

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wagnerrp:

in the 'watch recordings' screen

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Stevieman:

cool, found it thanks

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Stevieman:

hey whats with the little yellow tombstone?

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wagnerrp:

its allowed to expire

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wagnerrp:

meaning when you run out of disk space, mythtv will automatically delete it to allow for new recordings

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Beirdo:

it's dead, Jim :)

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Stevieman:

I like that :)

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Stevieman:

So can I get mythtranscode to run atomatically or do I have to trigger it manually?

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Stevieman:

well I gotta run, thanks for all the help

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bonelifer:

we're now cooking oil. Booting off the MythBuntu 9.10 CD. This is after looking around the BIOS.

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bonelifer:

If anyone in here is a Myth dev. I salute you. :)

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jya:

Beirdo: Ubuntu 8.04 doesn't ship with QT4 ; so you won't even be able to compile mythtv 0.22 on it ... So here, not having the right version of ALSA is the least of your concern...

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Beirdo:

yes it does

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Beirdo:

QT4.3 to be exact

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Beirdo:

and the -backports has 4.4

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Beirdo:

I compiled svn trunk on it last night

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Beirdo:

and that's beside the point

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Beirdo:

if the code requires a certain version minimum, configure should be verifying the system has it

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vhann:

Hi, I have a server with a PVR-500 in it. I just plugged in a PVR-150 to be able to record 2 streams at once, but when I play the 2 at the same time (mplayer /dev/video0 + mplayer /dev/video1), the picture is choppy on one. Is this normal?

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fryfrog:

vhann: doesn't a pvr500 have 2 cards on it?

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fryfrog:

so pvr500 + pvr150 == 3 streams?

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fryfrog:

also, is your cpu usage high? i don't imagine playing 2 SD mpeg streams would be very taxing on any modern system but i could be wrong

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wagnerrp:

any halfway modern system should be able to play 2 streams off a PVR-150

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Traveler6:

I dont think there is a 2nd overlay on most display cards

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wagnerrp:

although you may have some limitation with Xv only supporting one output at a time

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Traveler6:

so the second stream by definition would be rendering on a slow dsplay surface

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Traveler6:

display*

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vhann:

fryfrog: Yeah, but I haven't bought the extension for the PVR-500 yet

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vhann:

(just read your answers guys, sorry for the delay ^^)

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vhann:

I am wondering: how do you computer the required bandwidth for a given video standard (say like 480i)?

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vhann:

I streamed one from my server to my laptop via wireless and saw in the router that the load was around 20kbps, does that sound realistic?

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Lycan^:

have just switched from a 30 inch screen to a 46 inch one....but the problem is the osd fonts are way too big even though i have set to to small. is there something im not doing right?

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fryfrog:

i think you can pick the font size for the OSD

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fryfrog:

to slow

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messerting:

Hi, I've just defined a Jump point to go back to the main menu. It works if I'm in the menu, but not if I'm watching livetv. Any idea why..?

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messerting:

I found this, http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /200616.html

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jya:

Beirdo: done.. Configure checks for ALSA >= 1.0.16

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jarle:

Is there some way to only scan dvb-s2 channels? in mythtv-setup when scanning dvb-s2 I seem to get both dvb-s and dvb-s2 channels...

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swaffelkoning:

Can anyone confirm. Is support for saa7134 tv cards broken in mythbuntu 9.10

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_abbenormal:

my tt-3200 worked in mythubuntu-9.1.0 but onl;y tested the dvb-s side only

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_abbenormal:

did not have a dvb-s2 signal to test on

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swaffelkoning:

i have dvb-t hybrid cards

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swaffelkoning:

have no unencypted dvb-t signal here to test with

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swaffelkoning:

only want analog tv funtion to work

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swaffelkoning:

have 2 x Compro DVB-T 300 cards

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swaffelkoning:

so far can see tv in tvtime and xawtv but no sound

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swaffelkoning:

nothing at all in mythtv

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janneg:

jya: bah, I haven't looked correctly, your check should have be fine wrt cross-compiling but a 30 line c program in configure is ugly if avoidable

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jya:

I re-used the test code of the ALSA configure

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jya:

simplified a fair bit though to reuse all the existing configure routines

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Brad-D:

morning iamlindoro

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Beirdo:

Good morning, all

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Dudesky1:

ok I didn't find anything quite like my problem so here goes I have a 8400GS and a G210 I have tried both I cannot get sound to work via built in audio card on the motherboard running mythbuntu 9.10 if I put a 7 series card in the machine it works instantly all upgrade are installed I even tried latest alsa from source

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Dudesky1:

I can post my xorg.conf if needed

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Dudesky1:

motherboard is a nforce4 with 1 gig of ram

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Beirdo:

you sure it isn't using the sound built-in to the video card?

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Beirdo:

I think some of the newer ones have integrated sound for HDMI output

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Dudesky1:

well I tried configuring that and it failed also

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russk:

Anyone familiar with mytharchive know a workaround for this: File "/usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/scripts/mythburn.py", line 935, in expandItemText

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russk:

if getText( infoDOM.getElementsByTagName("coverfile")[0]) =="":

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russk:

IndexError: list index out of range

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Dudesky1:

I followed the wiki from xbmc

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Dudesky1:

does anyone have audio working through hdmi and a g210 card using mythbuntu 9.10

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Dudesky1:

I have it plugged into the TV no amp

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Dudesky1:

aplay -l displays card 0: CK804 [NVidia CK804], device 0: Intel ICH [NVidia CK804]

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Dudesky1:

Subdevices: 1/1

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Dudesky1:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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Dudesky1:

card 0: CK804 [NVidia CK804], device 2: Intel ICH – IEC958 [NVidia CK804 – IEC958]

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

I was just giving ideas :)

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Dudesky1:

thanks

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Dudesky1:

no worries

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Dudesky1:

and I agree

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jya:

janneg: the code I put in configure, was working with cross-compilers.. it only tested the version number in the header files

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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ThisOtherGuy:

Can anyone help me with a jamu error: http://pastebin.com/ziHaReSc

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: I think this is the second time I have sen this error. It seems that in a very few cases the IMDBpy library returns invalid data. It is returning a list of possible movie matches but the data has no IMDB#.

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RDV_Linux:

s/sen/seen/

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks RDV – does that mean just retry and it might work?

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janneg:

jya: yes, I haven't looked closely first

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: The issue will pass when the scheduled/recorded program is has been removed. I guess I will need to trap that situation and skip the match attempt. This is unlikely to be work on a retry.

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jya:

janneg: testing for the actual version of alsa will be required soon ; as the 32 bits audio support code I plan to add relies on more than just having the resampling API

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Are you running trunk or 0.22_fixes?

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ThisOtherGuy:

bummer – I'm running trunk – lemme check from when

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janneg:

jya: tell which version/feature you need and if it is too recent please make it optional

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ThisOtherGuy:

23566

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jya:

1.0.16 should do

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: When is unlikely to matter. I think this issue is in both trunk and 0.22 anyways.

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: The first time I saw this which I cannot reproduce myself as it is dependant on the specific movie I gave the person a patch to try but the never replied.

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: it looks like a Movie that I'm not gonna watch for a while, is it just a matter of adding a: if movie.has_key(u'imdb')

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: That will fix it in your case but sometimes other data is missing. I think there are two places to fix, one for MythVideo and one for the Watch Recordings.

[11:19:39]

ThisOtherGuy:

I'd be happy to try out a patch if you have one

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: thanks I am working on one now but to not know when I will be done.

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: k – thanks for the heads up, my ignorant if let me continue but I have no idea what kind of side effects it will have

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: As I look into this I think my first analysis is all wet, This may be trunk specific and due to the change over from IMDB#s to TMDB#. Just change the line that is aborting from using 'imdb' to 'id' and see of it works.

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: k – running now

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: If you at all the other code in the previous few lines they only use "movie[u'id']" and NOT "movie[u'imdb']"

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Thanks for finding this bug it is not one-in-a-million but close;)

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: yup! – looks like that worked – thanks!

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: nw – I think it found me :-)

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Some days it feels like that;)

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Beirdo:

yay. upgrading everything and its dog to get libqt4-dev and libqt4-opengl

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh, and the opengl support depends on having libqt-opengl-dev... The build-deps for the new release will need revisiting. Not sure who does that for the ubuntu debs

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8040#comment:1 (Qt OpenGL is always required)

[12:18:38]

Beirdo:

OK. Fair enough. the old dependencies in the deb setup don't include it

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Beirdo:

we gotta make sure it makes it into the new deb setup :)

[12:19:23]

Beirdo:

but something to worry about when release comes upon us

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Beirdo:

not to worry :)

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sphery:

I'm not sure what danielk meant about, "It is only disabled if you do not have OpenGL installed," but would assume that would mean on a system with no Mesa and no X GL support at all, it may not require it.

[12:19:59]

Beirdo:

could be

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sphery:

I've never used such a system, so I can't say for sure. :)

[12:20:09]

Beirdo:

heh

[12:20:28]

Beirdo:

I think even my Linode needed it (no video card at all)

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sphery:

the "You can steal TV listings from Microsoft's MCE if you don't agree with the ToS" thread needs to die

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Beirdo:

it's a convenient always-on build platform, not that I ever intend to RUN myth on a linode :)

[12:21:02]

Beirdo:

yeah

[12:21:18]

Beirdo:

You can steal nothing with approval... thanks

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Beirdo:

with mythtv dev approval that is

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sphery:

agreed

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Beirdo:

they can self-approve all they want

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Beirdo:

that's not our problem :)

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sphery:

but they really shouldn't tell others on the list to do so

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Guierrmo:

I have an HDHomerun and HDPVR hooked to the same cable source, one via qam and one via a digital box. Is there a way to use one Schedulkes Direct source forth both devices?

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Beirdo:

for sure, sphery.

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sphery:

especially a guy who claims to be about to pass the Bar

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Beirdo:

yeah, we should forward his emails to Microsoft... he can have his first case all lined up for him

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sphery:

Guierrmo: You can use the same Schedules Direct lineup (from the Schedules Direct website) on both, but you *must* have 2 different MythTV Video Sources.

[12:24:07]

sphery:

Guierrmo: just create 2 different video sources that both use the same username/password, and lineup

[12:24:29]

Guierrmo:

hmm, didn't know you could do that. good to know.

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sphery:

Guierrmo: you *must* scan for the HDHomeRun, you *can not* scan for the HD-PVR

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** Beirdo breaks down and installs python on his windows laptop **

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Guierrmo:

Thanks!

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sphery:

so the best way to do it is, a) change the SD lineup to include only the channels available through the HD-PVR, b) create the video source for the HD-PVR to point to that lineup, c) connect the input for the HD-PVR and run mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels to add channels to the HD-PVR source, d) edit the lineup at SD to include the HDHR channels, e) create the HDHR video source, f) connect the inputs for the HDHR ...

[12:27:01]

sphery:

... and scan for channels using the HDHR

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sphery:

Guierrmo: ^^^

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Guierrmo:

is sctescan viable?

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sphery:

this is why changing MythTV to call "Video Sources" by the name "Listings Sources" is just plain wrong

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Beirdo:

some dillhole here at Starbucks is playing YouTube videos and is drowning out the nice be-bop jazz music

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sphery:

Guierrmo: if you're using a cable provider who uses SCTE65, then, yeah

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sphery:

Guierrmo: but only for the HDHR

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sphery:

Guierrmo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

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sphery:

Beirdo: don't you wish you could enforce some "Must use headsets" policy

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Beirdo:

yeah, for sure

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Captain_Murdoch:

ping flood

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Beirdo:

the "don't be a putz, nobody else wants to hear your videos" policy

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sphery:

I find it annoying enough when people boot up their Windows boxes and get an extremely loud Windows startup sound in public places. (Granted, Linux distros that do similar aren't any better...)

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Beirdo:

and they (or others) are sucking the bandwidth too

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Beirdo:

my git clone of buildbot is going at 28kbyte/s

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Beirdo:

yeah, keep yer laptop muted or use headphones. thanks

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sphery:

might be able to do DNS cache poisoning to make YouTube address unresolvable. It only has a 300s TTL.

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sphery:

so in 5 minutes max, you could enjoy the nice soft music at the store

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

actually, 5 minutes plus the length of whatever video he's watching :)

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sid3windr:

actually, 5 minutes or the length of the video, whichever is longest :p

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Beirdo:

heh :)

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sphery:

could be plus--if you attack with 300TTL left, then he starts a new video right before the address expires in the local router cache

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Beirdo:

stupid wireless dumped me. Gotta restart the git clone

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Beirdo:

I want to make a buildslave on windows for beirdobot :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'm... masocistic

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Beirdo:

missed an h ;)

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sid3windr:

sphery: well, then if the video is >5min his record will have expired too.. :p

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

I see what you meant ;>

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sid3windr:

damn, virtually hurting noise offenders is hard!

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sid3windr:

;)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

not even considering the difficulty of actually doing a good DNS attack

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** sphery considers fixing some MythControls bugs **

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sphery:

(will be one less place for people to directly edit the DB)

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Beirdo:

yay, he went out for a smoke

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and the git clone is done

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sphery:

now you can just edit his hosts file

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sphery:

much easier

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sid3windr:

:D

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sid3windr:

indeed

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Beirdo:

I think a over-sugared latte into the keyboard would be more fun

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sphery:

lol

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sid3windr:

that's vandalism

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sid3windr:

editing hosts is peacekeeping

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sid3windr:

:>

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

or just do route /del

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

and imagine how much more productive the guy will be if he doesn't waste time watching YouTube videos ever again!

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Beirdo:

he could just sell his computer

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sphery:

(he could sit around talking about important things in IRC, instead)

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Beirdo:

block youtube and facebook and the world would be so much more productive

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sphery:

no joke

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Beirdo:

I'm ON facebook, but rarely login anymore

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Beirdo:

it's a black hole

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sphery:

I haven't joined any of the social notworking sites

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Beirdo:

I've found it good for reconnecting with old friends

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sphery:

Yeah, I've heard that. I guess I'm just an anti-social networking guy.

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sid3windr:

s/networking//

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sid3windr:

:>

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sid3windr:

irc is kindof a social network isn't it ;)

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sphery:

it's become much more social of late

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Beirdo:

at a previous job, I was designated the head of the anti-social committee

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

at least in this channel

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sphery:

a couple of months ago, it was just a place to go to get yelled at or humiliated

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Beirdo:

yeah, how sucky

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** sphery thanks Sheriff iamlindoro for cleaning up our town **

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sid3windr:

Beirdo: "YOU TWO! STOP TALKING!" ? :p

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

so, time to get a couple things done, then do some work on MythControls.

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Beirdo:

more like "cut it out with the weekly stupid social meetings when we have deadlines, thanks!"

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sid3windr:

lol

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Beirdo:

OK, time to head home

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Beirdo:

be back in a bit, I'm sure

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justinh:

ah nuts. bbc trust might be looking to sell off Radio Times :-\

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justinh:

least we'll still have EIT though eh

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Beirdo:

maybe the new owners will be open-source friendly?

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Beirdo:

Radio Times has existed in some form since when? 40s?

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Beirdo:

of course it was magazine only back then. heh

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justinh:

don't think it'll be a case of OSS friendly

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Beirdo:

more of extinc?

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justinh:

it'll come down to money

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Beirdo:

that can still be friendly

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Beirdo:

SD does it.

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Beirdo:

there may be a way :)

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justinh:

I doubt RT will want to get involved

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Beirdo:

possibly not

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Beirdo:

but free of BBC, who knows

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justinh:

everyone's gunning for the BBC & I hhate it

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Beirdo:

well, they ARE a large bureaucratic entity

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Beirdo:

mucho red tape. Of course, it's not like that's all their fault and all

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Beirdo:

same goes for CBC, but at a lesser level

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justinh:

aye well, if the conservatives get into power – which looks likely – the BBC will likely be castrated

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Beirdo:

yikes

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justinh:

nothing to do with conservative MPs being in bed with Murdoch & co

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Beirdo:

lose their Bs... be the C.

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Beirdo:

that would be a shame

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Beirdo:

so much heritage... gone

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justinh:

then again I do think the beeb have lost their way a bit. time was when aunty beeb knew best, not trying to be populist

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Beirdo:

oh that reminds me.

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Beirdo:

need to look at the BBC7 schedule to see if there's any other shows that interest me

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OY

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Beirdo:

8.8 earthquake in Chile!?

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justinh:

jees

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Beirdo:

so says the beeb's page anyways

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Beirdo:

I still trust em for news

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justinh:

yeah well, that's one area the cons will be looking at curtailing

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Beirdo:

Why?!

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Beirdo:

they wanna use CNN (spit!)?

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justinh:

apparently it stifles commercial enterprises who also offer news services

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

if you can't compete, castrate the leader

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Beirdo:

I see

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** justinh blames murdoch **

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Beirdo:

so let's just give UK crappy news

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Beirdo:

wonderful idea

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justinh:

he was the most useless member of the A-Team anyway

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just privatize the BBC completely, and let them make their own decisions

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Beirdo:

get the politicians out of there

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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Beirdo:

"I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again"

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sphery:

justinh: well, if it goes really bad, TMS is pressuring SD to expand to non-US areas. Worst case--given sufficient interest from UK MythTV users--SD could license the TMS data for UK TV listings and resell it over there

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Beirdo:

that might be worth a listen

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Beirdo:

sphery: that could work

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justinh:

yeah that wouldn't be so bad

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sphery:

Of course, if you look on the -users list, you'll find that there's no need--you can just steal the data as long as you disagree with the ToS of any site providing it.

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Beirdo:

Heh

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justinh:

I read that. stupid idiots

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Beirdo:

tards

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

because $20/yr is so expensive for a luxury DVR

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Beirdo:

yeah, no kidding

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justinh:

muh, information is all free </freetard>

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Beirdo:

I just spent almost that much at Starbucks

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sphery:

(IMHO, if you can't--or choose not--to afford $20/yr for listings data, you shouldn't be using MythTV.)

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sphery:

no joke

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Beirdo:

if you can't afford $20/yr for listings, how can you afford to buy the hardware?

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highzeth:

I'd go further and say you shouldnt afford having a tv then

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Beirdo:

or the source?

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highzeth:

heh

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justinh:

that apparently isnt the point

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sphery:

and, I'd bet money that the vast majority of those who rationalize stealing the listings data save the $20 for each one of the movies that they steal by downloading off the 'net instead of purchasing on DVD.

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justinh:

wonder how much they pay for their internet too...

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Beirdo:

unless you are doing OTA, you're paying a buttload more just to receive it

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justinh:

or do they just steal that aswell? ;-)

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sphery:

so just take some of the money they save by stealing movies and put it toward listings data

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sphery:

highzeth: completely agree

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sphery:

highzeth: and if you have a TV, OTA only and no DVR

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Beirdo:

sphery: or towards future legal defense :)

[13:58:03]

sphery:

heh

[13:58:15]

highzeth:

yeah, having a tv is *not* filed under basic human needs imo

[13:58:28]

Beirdo:

I lived many years without it

[13:58:29]

justinh:

yet

[13:58:34]

highzeth:

use the 20$ for butter & bread if they struggle that hard

[13:58:35]

Beirdo:

and a PVR sure ain't

[13:58:52]

justinh:

the way people prattle on about the TV licence fee over here you'd think it was a birthright

[13:58:52]

sphery:

Yeah, I /really/ hope that the "almost a lawyer" who's saying that you can steal the data using mc2xml and it's not illegal or immoral or unethical gets to defend his position--while paying out of pocket to do so--in court at some point in the future.

[13:58:53]

Beirdo:

let alone the electricity to run it...

[13:59:35]

justinh:

just for the log I'd like to say I'm willing to pay twice as much for the TV licence :-)

[13:59:38]

sphery:

no joke, MythTV systems take a /ton/ of electricity compared to even cable-/satellite-co DVRs (even the atoms and what not)

[13:59:43]

Beirdo:

I mean, I am far from a Microsoft-lover... but that doesn't mean I'd advocate ripping them off

[13:59:51]

sphery:

agreed

[14:00:02]

sphery:

and, ultimately, they're ripping off TMS

[14:00:03]

Beirdo:

boycotting them? Sure

[14:00:04]

justinh:

the myth about OSS PC based DVRs is that you save money using em

[14:00:10]

Beirdo:

sphery: true enough

[14:00:11]

sphery:

which impacts any legal user of TMS data

[14:00:27]

Beirdo:

justinh: hence "mythtv" is a good name :)

[14:00:29]

sphery:

justinh: exactly... If you're doing MythTV to save money, you're not doing it right.

[14:00:37]

sphery:

(and you're likely not even saving money)

[14:00:37]

swerve:

hey – just noticed after upgrading to 0.22 that it scales up my CPU to max

[14:00:43]

jamesd2:

sphery, but if they move to a new standard or wished too they would have to throw away the current box, and that is worse for environment...

[14:00:56]

justinh:

we actually pay through the nose in terms of time *and* money, to be able to benefit from extra versatility

[14:00:56]

sphery:

swerve: that's because it's winter time, so it's helping to keep your house warm

[14:01:07]

Beirdo:

jamesd2: not really. give it to a school

[14:01:08]

swerve:

considering i keep the frontend client running pretty much all the time that's not so good!

[14:01:41]

swerve:

sphery: lol – i suspect it would do it in summer, too ;-)

[14:01:47]

sphery:

jamesd2: in many cases when you factor in the electricity savings from newer hardware, it has quite an offset to the environmental implications of waste

[14:02:04]

sphery:

jamesd2: IMHO, properly-disposed-of electronics waste isn't a problem

[14:02:05]

jamesd2:

Beirdo, were talking about satelite/cable boxes, they locked to a provider... so without provider support the box is a paper weight

[14:02:06]

highzeth:

OSS has its cons, one of them is that many people cant digest that if one thing is 'free', everything cant be.

[14:02:27]

highzeth:

ref recent IIPA activity

[14:02:29]

Beirdo:

jamesd2: oh, OK. Well send it back to the provider.. or use it as a doorstop :)

[14:02:46]

sphery:

jamesd2: (of course, properly-disposed-of is almost always a myth--but fix that problem rather than tell people to use 10-yr-old electronics that suck electricity like crazy)

[14:02:53]

swerve:

is this new gui engine really so much more resource intensive?

[14:02:59]

justinh:

swerve: nope

[14:03:09]

sphery:

swerve: what's your CPU usage?

[14:03:10]

swerve:

what might be causing it then?

[14:03:12]

sphery:

swerve: what screen?

[14:03:12]

justinh:

swerve: unless you happen to have inherited broken video drivers

[14:03:29]

jamesd2:

sphery, and the cost currently of properly disposed of eletronic waste makes it very expensive and your users wont do it most of the time anyways... they just chuck it unless they are paid to recycle and you have to pay extra for that as well

[14:03:30]

** sphery bets he has no OpenGL but he's selected the OpenGL theme painter **

[14:03:34]

Beirdo:

or ancient video cards

[14:03:35]

swerve:

used to stay at 1600 almost all the time, now it maxes at 2400 all the time while mythfront is running

[14:03:36]

sphery:

so he's using Mesa on the CPU

[14:03:49]

justinh:

with the GANT theme huh?

[14:03:57]

sphery:

jamesd2: right, so fix the /real/ problem

[14:03:59]

swerve:

qt theme thing I think – let me check

[14:04:17]

sphery:

swerve: CPU usage? Screen?

[14:04:18]

swerve:

qt paint engine

[14:04:23]

Beirdo:

sphery: shut off the electrical grid completely?

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Beirdo:

that would sure solve a pile of issues instantly...

[14:04:51]

sphery:

Beirdo: no, enforce proper disposal of electronics (even the recyclers often just ship it overseas where it ends up in riverbeds)

[14:04:53]

Beirdo:

and create a pile more :)

[14:04:55]

noaXess_kubuntu:

hi all

[14:05:01]

swerve:

hmmm... cores 2 and 4 are maxed at 100%

[14:05:05]

Beirdo:

sphery: I know, I'm just being silly

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sphery:

yeah, though yours would have a very good impact on the environment

[14:05:39]

sphery:

not so much for the economy

[14:05:44]

swerve:

brb....

[14:05:50]

Beirdo:

the Ahmish would be OK

[14:05:53]

noaXess_kubuntu:

on four channels i can't record a sheduled show.. but i can press record if i watch tath cahnnel live.. then it records the show...

[14:06:08]

Beirdo:

their idea of being off-grid would come in real handy if the grid disappears

[14:06:13]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[14:06:21]

noaXess_kubuntu:

if i switch to this chennel or one of them, i get "On known multiplex..."

[14:06:36]

noaXess_kubuntu:

on othe channels i get normaly the lock information, signal strenght... and so on

[14:06:42]

noaXess_kubuntu:

any idea?

[14:07:42]

sphery:

The problem with Firefox: Ctrl-N is right next to Ctrl-B and when you accidentally hit Ctrl-B-N, it opens the bookmarks-thingy-on-the-left-side-of-the-window in the Firefox window with focus and opens a new Firefox window with the bookmarks thingy open, so you have to Ctrl-B *both* of them to fix it.

[14:07:56]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 was for you

[14:08:39]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: aha .. sorry.

[14:08:55]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: the video sources portion. It's also possible that you just need to rescan, but IMHO, you should always do as that post says when doing a rescan.

[14:09:21]

sphery:

actually, you /do/ need to rescan, but it's possible that rescanning on top of the garbage that's currently in there will fix it

[14:09:37]

sphery:

though it will take longer to rescan on top of garbage than to clean out the garbage and do it right in the first place

[14:10:17]

Beirdo:

OK, time to get buildbot running under 'doze :)

[14:10:18]

sphery:

oh, and no need to apologize... I should have used your nick when I sent it the first time (so I apologize)

[14:10:47]

Beirdo:

I'd like to eventually see buildbot (or equivalent) setup for mythtv

[14:10:51]

sphery:

Any chance you have some bender bots?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphewow.. so reconfigure mythtv.. hm...

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: no, reconfigure your video source

[14:11:42]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it takes 2min (if you don't know what you're doing) plus the time required for the channel scan to complete

[14:12:13]

sphery:

I do mine all the time (so it generally takes me 30s + scan time)

[14:12:26]

sphery:

and I have to reconnect inputs on 4 capture cards

[14:12:37]

sphery:

on 2 separate backends (meaning 2 different mythtv-setups)

[14:12:49]

justinh:

heheheheheh "Themer choices aren't bugs."

[14:12:52]

sphery:

so whatever happened to Futurama coming back...

[14:13:02]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, that was good

[14:14:06]

justinh:

wonder why providers can't just leave the blimmin channel lineups alone for 2 minutes

[14:14:08]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurama#Revival

[14:14:26]

sphery:

justinh: the other problem with (at least US) cable

[14:14:33]

sphery:

(US) OTA ftw!

[14:15:14]

justinh:

hey we've not had to rescan freeview stuff for wooo... 4 months now!

[14:15:19]

justinh:

:-O

[14:16:11]

Beirdo:

you just jinxed it

[14:17:00]

justinh:

heh

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: the video source is a xml grabber.. need i recreate the xml channel file?

[14:19:56]

sphery:

So, what's up with the weather? 50F at 1:00pm on Feb 27. Should be in the 70's.

[14:20:11]

highzeth:

I had issue with SBE's timing out when running 2.6.31 on them, has this been address'd here or kernel side?

[14:20:12]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: the video source is the distinct grouping of channels

[14:20:23]

Beirdo:

my wife earlier today complained that it's cold... "it's only 83"

[14:20:23]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: the xml grabber is the listings source--very different

[14:20:29]

Beirdo:

I told her she's insane

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: you need to fix the video source (in mythtv-setup), not the listings source

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: so just Delete all video sources, then re-create the video source with the same xmltv config info for the listings source, then when you connect the input, you'll need to rescan the channels

[14:21:44]

sphery:

Beirdo: heh, 83 wouldn't be cold for me, but it seems a lot of places are colder than usual

[14:22:21]

Beirdo:

this is actually average for this time of year

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: the listings source.. is that the file where the video source get the channel information?

[14:22:25]

Beirdo:

she's just insane

[14:22:51]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it's the source of program listings data

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: if you have analog tv, you can't do a "Fetch channels from listings provider" (alone)--you have to do a channel scan

[14:23:19]

highzeth:

Beirdo: heh, we have -16F only a few days ago, now its back to summer temps of 19F

[14:23:21]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: I'm assuming you have digital TV, right?

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highzeth:

s/have/had/

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: right, three dvb-c cards

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Beirdo:

highzeth: fun times

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sphery:

summer temps of 19F?

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sphery:

wow

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highzeth:

idd ;)

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Beirdo:

you in Nome, Alaska?

[14:24:12]

highzeth:

we call it summer temps, its not that bad during summer tho ;)

[14:24:36]

highzeth:

Middle of Norway, just south of Trondheim

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: basically, you just want to delete all video sources to clear out al the channel-related info, then reconfigure channels

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: where can i change the language? so we speak from the same thema :)

[14:24:56]

Beirdo:

highzeth: OK, good enough :)

[14:25:12]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: in frontend settings under general, maybe?

[14:25:22]

Beirdo:

You should be proud of your biathalon athlete... gold yesterday

[14:25:29]

Beirdo:

I forget his name, but he ruled.

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highzeth:

But its not been this cold in ~30 years, so times are def changing =)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: that changes also the language of the mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: I'm not sure. As a US English speaker, I've never change the language settings. :(

[14:26:20]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it might be in mythtv-setup General settings

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highzeth:

We have many good men & women, I nearly had a heart attack during the 4x7.5km relay yesterday =)

[14:27:02]

Beirdo:

What's the population of Norway?

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Beirdo:

I was mentally calculating medals per capita, and I think that Norway may be far in the lead for that

[14:27:52]

highzeth:

4.7 I believe

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Beirdo:

4.7M?

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Beirdo:

wow.

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: ok, now i delete all video sources.. that in menu 3. from mythtv-setup right?

[14:28:07]

highzeth:

mill yeah

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Beirdo:

you guys are ruling the Winter Olympics then

[14:28:33]

highzeth:

yeah, its really strange, we are the size of a mid-sized US city

[14:28:41]

Beirdo:

the US may have the most medals total, but 300M people

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Beirdo:

a lot more people to choose from, and to fund them

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janneg:

Beirdo: fair would be probably medals per athlete/team

[14:29:22]

highzeth:

yeah, just look at our clowns, no financial backing and they are in the finals =)

[14:29:52]

Beirdo:

janneg: yeah, but the number of medals per capita is quite eye-opening

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Beirdo:

China is SUCKING ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, they dominate a couple sports... but they should, they have a BILLION people to pick from

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noaXess_kubuntu:

should i have three video sources for each capture card.. or can i use one video source for all three cards?

[14:34:06]

Beirdo:

well-funded athletes tend to do better as they can afford to train instead of slave at their day jobs

[14:35:12]

highzeth:

phone*

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: a video source is a unique list of channels available on an input and the tuning information for those channels. So, if you have 3 same-type (DVB-C, for example) capture cards receiving the same signal with the same content, you need 1 video source.

[14:36:25]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: ok.. now deleted the videso source.. and recreated it.. no channels now available..

[14:36:51]

noaXess_kubuntu:

now do a channel scan or fetch channels from listings source?

[14:36:52]

sphery:

if you have 2 DVB-C cards and one PVR-150 all getting TV from the same cable TV connection, you need 2 video sources (because the tuning information differs--and, likely, the available channels differ, too)

[14:37:06]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: for DVB-C you'd scan

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: ok.. scanning.. in one verknüpfungen :) Point 4, in setup?

[14:38:08]

noaXess_kubuntu:

or scan in point 5. edit chanels i think on englisch

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sphery:

then after scanning you'd edit the channels in the channel editor in mythtv-setup or mythweb to put the xmltvid in, then run mythfilldatabase to get listings

[14:38:22]

sphery:

You need to scan in Input Connections

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sphery:

(don't know what that is in your language :)

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sphery:

it's probably 4

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sphery:

first connect the video source to the input, then scan for channels

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noaXess_kubuntu:

okay.. 4. is good.. the strange is, that the main menu in mythtv-setup is in german.. but the submenu's options are in english

[14:39:04]

sphery:

do a full scan and let it complete

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok

[14:39:17]

sphery:

if you restart, it should all be the same

[14:39:26]

sphery:

probably just because you changed it?

[14:39:37]

sphery:

(or it's an incomplete translation)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i don't find any option to change the language in mythtv-setup, only in frontend i found it

[14:40:18]

noaXess_kubuntu:

scanning now channels...

[14:41:05]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: but the big part is, scanning.. and then edit the channels to add the xmltvid, right?

[14:41:25]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: right

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noaXess_kubuntu:

hm.. how to get the xmltvid's, automatically?..

[14:42:03]

highzeth:

Beirdo: for sure, funds are very important.

[14:42:43]

Beirdo:

but of course, having a homeland with lots of snow helps for skiing, etc :)

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** sphery can't remember/reproduce the bug he noticed in MythControls earlier and none of the tickets help **

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highzeth:

Sure, I dont ski, at all, but many *are* born with it =)

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highzeth:

I see notn wrong with a snowmobile

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I wish they'd put into the olympics... moguls on snowmobiles

[14:45:53]

highzeth:

I got tricked into a downhill track 20+ years ago, that cured any and all needs for such for me

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darkdrgn2k:

any one know if there is spport for the T14A Artech USB astc tuner?

[14:46:15]

Beirdo:

cross-country would be more my style... but I'd need to get fit first

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highzeth:

yeah, I could do that, but I really dont have the coordination for it. I'd be more on my arse than on my feets

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I never learned to skate-ski though

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Beirdo:

tried it once... spent too much time with my face buried in the snow

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highzeth:

oh man, can you say hip replacements? LOL

[14:48:32]

highzeth:

*snap*snap* "emm guys, help?!"

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Beirdo:

heh

[14:50:38]

highzeth:

watching the men's slalom atm, many struggle hard getting through the track today

[14:51:11]

Beirdo:

yeah, nasty weather

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highzeth:

aye, not much of a winter weather there

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: If your channels contain enough information then mythfilldatabase will be able to match up the information in the listings with the information in the channels (which was pulled from the stream when scanning). If not, mythfilldatabase may create duplicate channels and break your configuration meaning you'll have to restart the whole process (Delete all video sources, ...).

[14:52:09]

highzeth:

salted the hills to hardened the snow, that says alot :/

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ZathraZ:

Hi. After an upgrade of mythtv, lirc and kernel, mythtv is no longer able to bind to the lircd socket. mode2 is working fine so lirc is working as it should. Debian Lenny, kernel 2.6.32 (!) and latest lirc Sidux package (lirc 5.19). Any pointers very much appreciated

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oobe:

ZathraZ, do you have /dev/lircd

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ZathraZ:

yes, /dev/lircd /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lircm

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oobe:

irw? works

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ZathraZ:

mode2 works

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ZathraZ:

but I had to use mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

[14:59:11]

ZathraZ:

lircd did not work

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ZathraZ:

lircd and lirc0 both dit not work in myth

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tank-man:

yea sounds like its trying to find /dev/lirc but you have /dev/lirc0

[14:59:48]

tank-man:

maybe that is it?

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ZathraZ:

I made some dirty hacks in lirc startup script previously I remember now. Maybe I should test that script again. One mo

[15:00:42]

ZathraZ:

hmm. TV is in use :-(

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wertwert1984:

help me please i have no sound in mythtv

[15:02:23]

oobe:

check your hardware.conf the new lirc version may of changed your /dev/lirc device name

[15:04:31]

oobe:

wertwert1984, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . e_problem.3F

[15:10:33]

sphery:

In MythTV, no one can hear you scream!

[15:10:54]

noaXess_kubuntu:

perfect.. now, no card can scan channels.. :(

[15:11:18]

sphery:

digital scanning should work fine

[15:14:16]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: no there is something wring.. each of the three card can't scan.. get any channel.. timeout

[15:15:03]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: should i increase signal timeout?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

now it 1000 and tuning timeout 3000

[15:16:07]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: yes, definitely

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sphery:

increase them (to the max isn't bad for the initial scan)

[15:16:39]

** sphery puts another stupid setting in his sights **

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Dudesky1:

guys still confused my box works fine with Geforce 7 cards my 8400GS and G210 cards disables audio for the on-board card

[15:17:47]

sphery:

HDMI getting used by your TV?

[15:18:07]

sphery:

so it ignores the audio output?

[15:18:20]

sphery:

(using the empty HDMI audio, perhaps)

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Dudesky1:

ok but what do I do

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sphery:

no idea--there was a thread on the users list about it

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sphery:

I don't use HDMI

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Dudesky1:

followed all the wiki pages still no audio from hdmi or on-board

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Dudesky1:

yeah wish I didn't

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Dudesky1:

was using component everything was great them

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND

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sphery:

the best I can do for you

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Dudesky1:

thanks

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ZathraZ:

k. thanks. /dev/lirc was indeed needed

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: i get really no signal on each card.. strange..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ho can i test a dvb-c card, to see if it gets a signal?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok.. w_scan -f c -c CH > channels.conf sems to work.. so card is ok...

[15:41:08]

oobe:

szap i think

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noaXess_kubuntu:

oobe: ??

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oobe:

or czap

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noaXess_kubuntu:

for what?

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oobe:

testing your tuning device

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noaXess_kubuntu:

oobe: aha. :) w_scan works.. filling channels.conf..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

something broken in my mythtv setup?

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Beirdo:

30km cross-country ski on.

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Beirdo:

women's

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noaXess_kubuntu:

how shoul channels.conf look to use it for channel scan in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i thought you muted all logging in JAMU

[16:11:33]

wagnerrp:

all of the logging done by the bindings, anyway

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7486 perhaps

[16:14:25]

sphery:

getting channels.conf to work with mythtv may be more difficult than making the scanner work

[16:14:53]

sphery:

Or did you back up your db before deleting video source? You can always restore the backup

[16:15:18]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: i have a backup but the have same problem then before.. some channels can't be recorded

[16:15:36]

noaXess_kubuntu:

so w_scan has worked.. so card's are ok..

[16:16:15]

bjd:

what is this backup thing you speak of?

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

just in case that's not a joke: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[16:16:47]

bjd:

no, it was ;)

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: if you restore the backup, you can try just doing a rescan

[16:17:08]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: okay..

[16:17:28]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: or you can live with the couple of broken channels until the scanner is fixed for you

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: (And if anyone asks, I didn't tell you this, but since you can do LiveTV for the channels and you can't do recordings, the problem is that the information on tuning those channels in your database is wrong. However, LiveTV short-circuits that tuning information by using "Quick Tuning," so if you tell MythTV to always use quick tuning (even for recordings), you'll be able to tune all channels--today. If your ...

[16:19:33]

sphery:

... cable co changes channels around, though, then it can actually break everything (LiveTV and recordings) worse than it was broken with Quick Tuning set to LiveTV only.)

[16:20:28]

sphery:

Quick Tuning is unsafe (which is why the default is to use it only for LiveTV--where a user will notice a failure). Full tuning is safer--but requires valid tuning information in the database.

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sphery:

and if I ever hear you say that setting MythTV to always use quick tuning "fixed" the problem, I'll come after you. (as it's not fixing anything--it's just working around the invalid data in your database.) :)

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sphery:

and I'm very glad you thought to make a backup before editing things--since I didn't think to remind you to make one. :)

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sphery:

(I'm losing my touch)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: No I only mutted the Jamu logging during a the import and initialization calls. Jamu's output is not read by anything unless it is piped to a log.

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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Beirdo:

well, Norway got silver... by a foot

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Beirdo:

30k women's cross-country

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Beirdo:

Poland won

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Beirdo:

30 frigging km.

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Beirdo:

in 1.5hrs.

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Beirdo:

sorry. 1h20min

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Beirdo:

I can't read :)

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tzanger:

good afternoon

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tzanger:

I have a bunch of recordings that were made on a slave backend (one filestore, NFS to the master backend)

[17:42:15]

tzanger:

I've shut down the slave backend, the recordings are still on the master, I can see them and mplay them with mplayer

[17:42:21]

tzanger:

but the frotnend says the recordings are not available

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tzanger:

I suspect that the db has stored that they were on the slave backend, and thus can't find them

[17:42:53]

tzanger:

is there a way to have the master backend "re-find" these recordings?

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sphery:

tzanger: Master Backend Override: If enabled, the master backend will stream and delete files if it finds them in the video directory. Useful if you are using a central storage location, like a NFS share, and your slave backend isn't running.

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sphery:

it's either in mythtv-setup or mythfrontend

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sphery:

(used to be mythtv-setup, but I don't remember if it got moved)

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tzanger:

sphery: I'm almost certain I have that set (always have) but checking

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Guierrmo:

having some trouble getting my HDPVR working again after changing source from directv to comcact digital box. I can cat to a file, but not having any luck in myth.

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tzanger:

yep I do have "master backend override" set

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sphery:

Guierrmo: did you clean out your channel config? Do the video sources part of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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tzanger:

what I did do now, however, and this fixed it, was to update the recorded table and set the hostname to my backend's name

[17:53:33]

tzanger:

that made everything show up

[17:53:45]

tzanger:

or rather not hsow up, but be accessible from the frontend

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tzanger:

sphery: and it's still in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

Guierrmo: when you re-create it, you should be good. Note that DirecTV with HD-PVR is analog capture, so you'll use "Fetch channels from listings source", but since they may be considered high-def channels, you may have to do it manually using mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels

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sphery:

tzanger: all new recordings from the slave will be unavailable until you fix the misconfiguration--your workaround only "fixed" (broke, but in a way that myth should do the right thing) the old ones

[17:55:46]

sphery:

tzanger: you likely need to enable always stream or something

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sphery:

or just make sure you don't nfs mount the recordings dirs on the frontend

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Guierrmo:

I removed all sources already, one of the first things I tried when it didn;t works, besides, unpluging, repluggin, rmmoding, modprobing and rebooting. The annoying blue light doesn't even come one when trying to record in myth.

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sphery:

ah, then you likely need to remove capture cards, too

[17:59:25]

sphery:

make sure you use Delete all capture cards (and not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>") as well as "Delete all video sources" rather than just hitting D to delete cards/sources one at a time

[17:59:35]

sphery:

otherwise, you will likely leave garbage that breaks things

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Guierrmo:

forgot to mention that I did that too. been messing with this for 4 hours now

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Guierrmo:

I just deleted all sources, maybe that is the difference.

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tzanger:

sphery: oh the slave is gone for good now, I updated the master backend so I could use the slave's recorder in it :-)

[18:00:56]

tzanger:

sphery: what's the misconfiguration though, I'm not sure

[18:02:23]

sphery:

if the slave is gone for good, you did the right thing

[18:02:37]

sphery:

in the future, I hope to have the code to allow you to do that through the UI

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tzanger:

*nods*

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Guierrmo:

Just to make sure I'm not an idiot, composite = RGB wires and component = yellow wire, right?

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sid3windr:

no

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sid3windr:

other way around

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sarah93:

wow you should check this http://bit.ly/bFi9I4

[18:31:41]

sarah93:

wow you should check this http://bit.ly/bFi9I4

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noaXess_kubuntu:

how can i create a channels.conf file that i can use for channel scan?

[18:35:37]

Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

but at least you aren't spamming like that sarah character

[18:36:06]

noaXess_kubuntu:

Beirdo: ok :)

[18:36:32]

Beirdo:

the docs don't say?

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sphery:

is that link from sarah93 one of those that hijacks your browser to send spam to the IRC channel?

[18:36:40]

Beirdo:

or the wiki?

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tzanger:

I'll try

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tzanger:

sphery: I'll try it

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it may or may not work

[18:37:07]

sphery:

channels.conf is not the preferred approach for getting channels into mythtv

[18:37:22]

sphery:

that said, I can't really help with the internal scanner if it's not working for you

[18:37:47]

tzanger:

nope, just a spam "chain letter" kind of site to earn euros toward pictures of items :-)

[18:37:50]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: you mean.. with a channels.conf i can't scan for channel, cause this bug http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7486??

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sphery:

the best solution would be for you to fix scanning for your channels/your area so that we can get the patch in so everyone can benefit and use the channel scanner

[18:38:31]

Beirdo:

true

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: so.. i need wait for a fix.. right?

[18:38:34]

sphery:

tzanger: ah, I had heard the freenode staff talking about some spam bot thing that was using links in the IRC windows

[18:39:11]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: I'm saying that channels.conf probably won't work, so the best thing to do would be to fix the channel scanner for your area

[18:39:37]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: with the channel scanner, waiting for a fix may take a long time because usually it can only be fixed by someone receiving the same channels you're receiving

[18:39:44]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: how can i do that? need i compile mythtv from latest svn?

[18:40:19]

sphery:

using SVN would be nice if creating a patch, but even if you made one for 0.22-fixes, it would be helpful in getting the fix into Myth

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sphery:

s/SVN/SVN trunk/

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sphery:

but compiling is a prerequisite to patching a C++ program

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok.. thats not my way..

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** Beirdo watches his laptop compile libclucene in Windows **

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sphery:

if you don't want to make that leap, I'd suggest sending a message to the mythtv-users list asking others in your area what they've done

[18:41:25]

sphery:

someone else may have done some work

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sphery:

or may have found a workaround

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Beirdo:

or may be able to work with you if you are not able to code, etc

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

you'll be a lot more likely to come across people in your area on the -users list than on here

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

#8100 and #8107 seem to be related if not duplicate

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sphery:

agreed, feel free to close one as dup

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

done

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Beirdo:

OMG, CLucene takes forever to compile

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jarle:

I'm trying to make my HD (h264) recordings playing without stuttering, will vdpau do me any good, or is this only for mpeg2?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: so now, get my backup back and it's running...

[19:12:20]

noaXess_kubuntu:

will search/post in mythtv-users list.. maybe a fix is on the go

[19:13:23]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: good... again a backup saves the day :)

[19:13:29]

sphery:

good luck on the lists

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noaXess_kubuntu:

es :)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

bye

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noaXess_kubuntu:

g...night

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sphery:

make sure you post where you're at and which cable co

[19:13:52]

sphery:

(generically where)

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sphery:

on the lists so others in the area can chime in

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noaXess_kubuntu:

jep

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Beirdo:

heh. libpcre time...

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

Office Space on Comedy Central

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bonelifer:

starting to think the the MythBuntu XCFE(sp?) route isn't worth it. After I get the REPO DVDS copied to the HD and setup to be used, I'm going to just install GNOME.

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slickrick:

for every video i have jamu tells me "themoviedb.com does not recognize the movie – cannot update metadata"

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slickrick:

one odd thing is that i'm pretty sure it means themoviedb.org not .com.

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RDV_Linux:

slickrick: Ok shot me for a typo;) Give me an example file name and I can test it locally.

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tgm4883:

bonelifer, ?

[20:25:45]

bonelifer:

in nvidia-settings, I can't save xorg.conf.

[20:25:55]

bonelifer:

I tried to manually set the date it won't let me

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tgm4883:

hmm

[20:26:11]

bonelifer:

stuff like that

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tgm4883:

how are you launching it?

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bonelifer:

i've done it from the menu. I've done it via terminal --> sudo nvidia-settings

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tgm4883:

odd, although i'm not sure how that would be affected by XFCE

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tgm4883:

oh, and you should probably use gksudo for that, rather than just sudo

[20:28:22]

bonelifer:

I even tried the suggested method of sudo deleting it and rrecreating it via sudo nvidia-xconfig. Worked once.

[20:29:58]

bonelifer:

my LInux destkop has the time at 12:29:33PM while my Windows has the right time at 6:29PM. I've set it correctly in the bios

[20:30:34]

bonelifer:

two seperate systems.

[20:31:33]

weeger:

i had that problem in F12. turned out that the time zone was incorrect.

[20:31:47]

bonelifer:

time is correct that much it will let me set

[20:32:13]

bonelifer:

meant time zone

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bonelifer:

:(

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tgm4883:

timezone is correct?

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bonelifer:

Yes

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bonelifer:

after I get done with cp'ing the DVDS. I'll recheck the BIOS to make sure

[20:33:40]

bonelifer:

but still it should let me change the time via the app.

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tgm4883:

how are you setting your timezone in the bios?

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tgm4883:

what timezone are you in?

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bonelifer:

Central

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tgm4883:

yea, that exactly sounds like your timezone is screwed up

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bonelifer:

the bios doesn't have a timezone setting that I know.

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tgm4883:

central is -6 isn't it

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bonelifer:

is depending on DST

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bonelifer:

else -5

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tgm4883:

yea, sounds like you set the bios to central time and linux thinks it is GMT

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bonelifer:

Don't remember there being a TZ setting in the bios though.

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tgm4883:

bonelifer, there shouldn't be

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bonelifer:

so just go to the BIOS and set it forward by 6

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bonelifer:

strangeness

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tgm4883:

bonelifer, are you dual booting?

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bonelifer:

no

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tgm4883:

sec

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bonelifer:

dedicated living HTPC

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bonelifer:

the windows reference was to my main rig and the funniness that it's got the right time

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tgm4883:

yea, my understanding is that windows expects the hardware clock to be local time, where linux expects it to be UTC, then offset to timezone in software

[20:39:27]

bonelifer:

ok, relatively new to Linux. I've tried it in the past but not very extensively.

[20:40:25]

bonelifer:

will still probably go to GNOME, just feel more confortable with it from my testing.

[20:40:34]

bonelifer:

just wish I wasn't on dialup

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bonelifer:

also wish I hadn't been an impatient nub while ordering stuff. osdisc has the repo disks, but they are from a Nov 2009 dump, the Nvidia 190+ drivers didn't come out till December. I later found another site that had a dump that at the time was only a few days old at Jan 28 2010. Lesson Learned, ie dont be nub in anything you do.

[20:46:27]

cecil:

bonelifer: just my thoughts, but GNOME isn't going to get you anything on a dedicated HTPC

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tgm4883:

plus you have to deal with pulseaudio

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cecil:

well, pizza time!

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bonelifer:

yeah at one time pulseaudio looked like it was going to be good. not so much now

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bonelifer:

I'm going to give XFCE a little more time. just annoyed is all. Ah, I have to compile the ZOOM USB modem drivers later. FUN.

[20:49:47]

bonelifer:

At least they include them on the CD.

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bonelifer:

other hardware companies treat LINUX like some unwanted child

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weeger:

hey i've got a question but i want to get my act together first. what info should i gather about my myth configuration? logs, etc.?

[20:52:31]

weeger:

maybe just a link to an FAQ would work

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weeger:

k i'll just ask. i am running mythfrontend on Fedora 12 against a remote Mythbuntu server. I'm getting no audio and choppy video. here's what i see at the command line: http://pastebin.com/XyUYQCV0

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weeger:

from what i can gather the problem centers on decoding (my word) the audio, which leads to the prebuffering pauses.

[21:05:12]

** weeger figures everyone's watching Olympic slalom... **

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bonelifer:

not me.

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bonelifer:

hopes the Nvidia driver update goes well later.

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bonelifer:

audio over HDMI would be nice

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bjd:

you got some weird hardware?

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bonelifer:

GT-220. from reading it needs at least 190+

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bonelifer:

the install comes with 185. and the repos DVDS I got were from Nov. The 190+ drivers didn't get released till Dec.

[21:18:31]

foxbuntu:

hey all, I just changed my channel line up to add new programming and I cant get the channel to show up in the listings (I am using SchedulesDirect and have tried mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --refresh-all)

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dj_segfault:

Hey. Power fail powered down my box. Trying to restart it, and mythtv-backend says it can't connect to the database. However, using the login info in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, I can. Does myth care if mysql is 5.0 or 5.1? Any other possible causes? This is Ubuntu 9.10. The error in the backend log is Unable to connect to database! Driver error was [1/2002]: QMYSQL: Unable to connect, which makes me think of v

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dj_segfault:

foxbuntu: Are you positive you'

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foxbuntu:

dj_segfault, what?

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dj_segfault:

you've selected those channels to be included on the schedulesdirect side>

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foxbuntu:

dj_segfault, yup

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dj_segfault:

Sorry hit enter by accident

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foxbuntu:

dj_segfault, I dbl checked myself on that one

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foxbuntu:

dj_segfault, thought I might have done something stupid

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weeger:

dj_segfault, first thing i'd do is confirm that you can connect to mysql outside of myth

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foxbuntu:

weeger, re-read his post, he said he can

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Beirdo:

foxbuntu: have you restarted the backend?

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Beirdo:

as in the process?

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foxbuntu:

Beirdo, multiple times

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weeger:

sorry missed that

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dj_segfault:

weeger: Yup. Like I said, I can do that from the mysql command line client using the exact params in the mysql.txt fole

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Beirdo:

dunno off hand then. That's the one thing people forget a lot

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dj_segfault:

Just upgraded mysql server to 5.1 same thing.

[21:27:19]

dj_segfault:

Gonna google that error again, but any ideas would be great. Coming up on prime time ;)

[21:27:46]

Beirdo:

if you JUST upgraded...

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Beirdo:

did you dump the database from 5.0 before the upgrade?

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Beirdo:

and then re-insert it into 5.1?

[21:28:26]

Beirdo:

or did you pray that the server would like the old binary files?

[21:28:56]

Beirdo:

there may be more to the upgrade than that, there often is between streams

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weeger:

any experts on "prebuffering pauses" out there?

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dj_segfault:

Beirdo: Clean living and prayer. And a mysqldump before hand. But like I said I can use the mysql client and see and access the myth tables.

[21:30:58]

Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

I would think it should work, but...

[21:31:27]

Beirdo:

weirder things have happened in the past :)

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dj_segfault:

My current suspect in the log is "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (13)" Possibly the mysql CLI is connecting over network instead of socket.

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

there ya go

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Beirdo:

possibly the socket got moved in the upgrade

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Beirdo:

it's a possibility

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dj_segfault:

No I see it there and it's srwxrwxrwx

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Beirdo:

have you tried again?

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Beirdo:

maybe it was a timing issue?

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dj_segfault:

Yup. A couple of times

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Beirdo:

like the backend trying to come up before mysql was ready?

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

check your my.cnf?

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dj_segfault:

Beirdo: For what?

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Beirdo:

how it's configured network-wise?

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Beirdo:

default ubuntu configs disable networking usually

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Beirdo:

who knows

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dj_segfault:

Yeah, but mythtv is trying to connect over socket. And I just tried to use the mysql client over the socket and it worked.

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

not sure what else to suggest off-hand

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Brad-D2:

evening guys

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dj_segfault:

Beirdo: Thanks. I'll keep trying

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Beirdo:

no problem

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dj_segfault:

Anyone know what the possible values are for DBType in mysql.txt?

[21:42:52]

dj_segfault:

This post http://lists.atrpms.net/pipermail/atrpms-user . . . /010645.html says to remove old themes. But how can I remove themes if I can't start it?

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dj_segfault:

Beirdo: Tried MySQL Query Browser. got the same error about not being able to connect through the socket but ping works.

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dj_segfault:

How can I make mythtv connect via network instead of socket?

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Beirdo:

first make sure you can

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Beirdo:

/etc/mysql/my.cnf

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Beirdo:

or something like that

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Beirdo:

and then tell myth to connect to a machine name that corresponds to a non 127.0.0.1 IP in /etc/hosts (or DNS)

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Beirdo:

oh, of course, restart mysqld if you change its config

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: hey ... i thought it must have just been a typo. when i sent it though my squid proxy i noticed it was in fact going to a .org not .com as the msg implied.

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dj_segfault:

Beirdo: I tried connecting with mysql query client and got the same error. So I went to #mysql (BOY are they a surly bunch) and eventually figured out it was permissions on the /var/run/mysql directory.

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dj_segfault:

I'm up and running now.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

glad that got worked out

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Beirdo:

I'm getting SO mad at mingw right now

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Beirdo:

trying to compile yon bot using it.

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dj_segfault:

Beirdo: Why?

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Beirdo:

and mysql libs and mingw are not really seeing eye-to-eye

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dj_segfault:

I suggest chocolates and flowers. Unless you can afford jewelry. That always does the trick

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Beirdo:

I'd rather kill them both

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bonelifer:

hah, right now I have my linux and windows rigs close to each other. They both use a Microsoft Optical Desktop 700(original REV). If the keyboards get too close then one of them won't work till it's a few inches farther apart. I was like why won't it let me type this, I just took it out of the box yesterday. :)

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know the exact command I would use to apply this patch to a recent checkout of trunk? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . pdated.patch

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wagnerrp:

patch < patchfile

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Tanthrix:

Thanks. I was just in the wrong directory, which was why that wasn't working right.

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dj_segfault:

I tried to install (and uninstall and reinstall...) mythexport on Ubuntu 9.10. (specific question) Although dpkg-query confirms /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythexport.conf is in that package, that file is not on my hard drive. Should it be? and (general question) Is there a command to verify the files in a package like RPM has?

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dj_segfault:

(sorry I will ask the second question in #ubuntu)

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Brad-D2:

does anyone know a good brand of pci/pci express sata controller card?

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quinten:

hi! i just am updating my mythtv channel list using mythweb. a little confused by the sourceid column

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