Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 28th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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quinten:

i see 2 different source ids. i have an HD homerun, and a pvr-150 tuner

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fryfrog:

Brad-D2: if you are looking for high end raid, you can't go bad with 3ware

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quinten:

but i just rescanned after deleting all the channels

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quinten:

and the analog cable isn't currently connected

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fryfrog:

isn't source id for the channel line up ?

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fryfrog:

quinten: you might have to do more than just delete all channels

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fryfrog:

you might need to delete all sources

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fryfrog:

or even tuners?

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quinten:

can i safely assume that when using myth to view/match up channels, the displayed channel number is the number of the digital tuner?

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quinten:

and same in the database?

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quinten:

yeah i'm wondering if it got updated after i ran the database update mistakenly

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Brad-D2:

fryfrog: thanks will check them out :)

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fryfrog:

but they are good, hardware raid cards in the 200–300 range

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fryfrog:

if you are just looking for non-raid, i've used some cheap $10 cards and had fine luck with them

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fryfrog:

they aren't *fast* but they weren't a huge bottle neck either

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fryfrog:

i think they were silicon image chipsets

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fryfrog:

sata_sil

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quinten:

how can i know what the sourceid corresponds to?

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Brad-D2:

yeah i'm definitely trying to figure out whether to buy a cheapo and go with a nice one

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Brad-D2:

probably go with a cheapo, as i'm not using raid.. use all storage groups

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fryfrog:

i'd go with a cheapo

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fryfrog:

if your $10 card doesn't perform up to your standards, you are only out $10

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt go with a cheapo

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fryfrog:

if you spend $100 on something nice... you'll always wonder :)

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wagnerrp:

id either get a full fledged RAID card

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wagnerrp:

or just a basic controller

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fryfrog:

but be sure to pick a card that has a good chipset on it

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fryfrog:

i'd call a "basic controller" a cheapo

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Brad-D2:

have you purchased any basic controllers wagnerrp? Do you have any brands you like?

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fryfrog:

no raid == cheapo, compared to a hardware raid card or possibly even a "fake" raid card

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wagnerrp:

a basic controller is just that, a basic disk controller

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wagnerrp:

'cheapo' == fake raid

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fryfrog:

oh

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quinten:

fryfrog: is it expected that there would be duplicate frequency ids for the same channel? does that mean it's a multiplexed channel?

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fryfrog:

i would *not* buy a cheap fake raid card :)

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fryfrog:

just a cheap, non-raid bog standard disk controller

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: the problem is that its hard to find decent multi-port controllers

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wagnerrp:

areca makes a basic 16-port SAS ML controller

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fryfrog:

multiport as in the single port with 4 channels?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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fryfrog:

i didn't get the impression he was looking for something that awesome

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wagnerrp:

supermicro makes an 8-port PCI-X controller

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fryfrog:

4 port, 4 slot sata controllers should be fairly cheap

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Brad-D2:

oooh an 8port pci-x controller would be awesome

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Brad-D2:

let me go find that

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fryfrog:

Brad-D2: do you have pci-x *slots*?

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wagnerrp:

Sun uses some 8-port Marvell controllers in their 'Thumper' boxes, but ive never seen those for sale

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fryfrog:

pci-x !- pci-e

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fryfrog:

er, !=

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Brad-D2:

fryfrog: yes i think I have one, because i got an onboard video card, so i didn't use it up with a vcard

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fryfrog:

Brad-D2: pci-x is a slot found in servers, for the most part

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Brad-D2:

oh, maybe i don't have it then, i could be thinking of something else

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fryfrog:

pci-express is what you are thinking of, which is for current video cards and other things

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jamesd2:

wagnerrp, http://www.cooldrives.com/8-channel-8-port-sata-pci-card.html sun uses the chip on board... and not as a sepeate card but the 8 port sata cards are not hard to find.. just google marvell sata 8 port pci-x

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fryfrog:

the little short slots and the long ones for video cards

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Brad-D2:

i see an adaptec 4-port one for 100 bucks, and it says it supports linux, that seems pretty decent. and it's pci-e

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wagnerrp:

another option is to pick up a 1-to-5 SATA expander

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wagnerrp:

just make sure your controller supports such things

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fryfrog:

is there any trade off to speed with those?

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Brad-D2:

i had never heard of those. I will go google it, thanks for the tip

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fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 0SATA%20Card

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: sure, youve got five disks crammed down a single 300MB/s port

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fryfrog:

those are some pci express sata cards

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: ah, i figured

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fryfrog:

was hoping for magic :)

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wagnerrp:

if you dont think 300MB/s is enough speed, you would have to look elsewhere

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fryfrog:

for 5 disks...

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fryfrog:

300MB or 300mbit?

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wagnerrp:

big b

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fryfrog:

isn't it 3.0 gbps?

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wagnerrp:

bitrate, yes

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wagnerrp:

but it uses special encoding for error recovery

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jamesd2:

a single hd stream is about 2MB/s you won't need more than 50MB/s unless you iamlindoro or have a hell of a lot of tuners and frontends.

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wagnerrp:

8 bits of data for each 10 bits of throughput

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Brad-D2:

i have 2 tuners, but some day i aspire to be like Iamlindoro

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Brad-D2:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i think ive got more (operational) tuners than iamlindoro

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fryfrog:

so ~50mb/sec per disk, i guess you could get 5 disks and not be terrible

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wagnerrp:

he just has a crap ton of disks

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Brad-D2:

wagnerrp: what all tuners do you use? I have 2 hdpvr's, and 3 hauppauge older tuners (not hooked up) i need to get them hooked back up, but i've been lazy

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** iamlindoro wakes up **

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Beirdo:

most disks I have are 50MB/s or more

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iamlindoro:

3x QAM, 2x HD-PVR, 1x Firewire ATM

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wagnerrp:

three digital, two analog

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iamlindoro:

still not 50 MB/s, of course

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Brad-D2:

iamlindoro: for your qam tuners, do you have some sort of external antanae? I've obvious shyed away from that because i'm in an apartment building, and thought i wouldn't get a strong signal?

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wagnerrp:

erm.... what good would an antenna be for QAM?

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mag0o:

a qamtenna

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iamlindoro:

Right, QAM, so just a nice drop amp

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Brad-D2:

oh i could be confused again, i thought QAM was the free over the air stuff :)

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wagnerrp:

QAM is cable, ATSC is broadcast

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Brad-D2:

ahh i should learn to talk less, lol

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Beirdo:

QAM technically is an encoding scheme, it's used by a lot of things other than just cable :)

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mag0o:

indoor antennas aren't that bad

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but let's not quibble ;)

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tzanger:

mag0o: depends on where you are

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Brad-D2:

mag0o, are you able to pull good OTA hd channels off indoor antennas? maybe i should check it out

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mag0o:

i can Brad-D2 about 20 mi or so from the stations

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mag0o:

can pull the same 12 stations the 'in towners' can pull

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tzanger:

I have a 6' yagi pointed at a 1MW transmitter 100km away; with a custom balun and a decentish amp I can pull in everything on that transmitter, including the 6kW transmitters

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tzanger:

and the bigger transitters that are close to 120mi away

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Beirdo:

I remember making a QAM transmitter and a QAM receiver in the lab in university... (analog QAM)... like 14 years ago

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wagnerrp:

1MW seems a bit off scale....

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tzanger:

CBC on the CN tower is 1000kW

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Beirdo:

is that all?

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Beirdo:

surprised they didn't go more, actually

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tzanger:

oh hang on

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tzanger:

no

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tzanger:

wikipedia is saying 38kW (digital)

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tzanger:

which is what I'm pikcing up

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tzanger:

100kW analog

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tzanger:

wtf what'd tvfool say

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Brad-D2:

tzanger: are you in toronto? I live in mississauga

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Beirdo:

I think they used to have higher power, but knowing CBC, 1MW wouldn't surprise me

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Beirdo:

hehe

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tzanger:

hmm

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Beirdo:

after all, the taxpayers have to pay for the electricity

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Beirdo:

hehe

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tzanger:

tvfool's saying CBLT is 128kW max ERP

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wagnerrp:

seems they used to run 38kW, but recently bumped up the power

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tzanger:

Brad-D2: no, if I were in tdot I'd be able to pull it in with a $3 indoor antenna

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tzanger:

I'm in Kitchener

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Beirdo:

I'm just being cynical :)

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wagnerrp:

but still 1MW seems awfully high

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Beirdo:

tzanger: how is KW?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: true :)

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression they didnt running anything more than a couple tens of kW

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tzanger:

yeah that was way off

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Brad-D2:

tzanger: nice! i'm actually in kitchener tonight, visiting my parents :)

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** Beirdo went to UW **

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tzanger:

WKBW is one of the US stations I pull in off-axis and it's 384kW

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tzanger:

er 358kW

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** Beirdo was born at St. Mary's Hospital too... **

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tzanger:

Beirdo: nice, I lived in the area ll my life

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wagnerrp:

i mean even the old AM stations that you used to be able to pick up halfway around the world were only half that

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tzanger:

Kitchener, Listowel, Waterloo and back to Kitchener

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Beirdo:

nice :)

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: thanks for calling bullshit on the 1MW number, I'd have been spouting that off forever

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Beirdo:

Kitchener -> Muskoka -> Waterloo -> Ottawa -> Toronto -> Puerto Rico

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tzanger:

that's quite the last jump

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

tzanger: http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv lists the same value

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Beirdo:

Kinda miss KW though.

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tzanger:

yeah I was way off there

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wagnerrp:

well, the list 38kW for CBC, but 1000kW for the fox station at the top

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Beirdo:

expecially Octoberfest

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tzanger:

Beirdo: how'd you end up in puerto rico?

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Beirdo:

married a Puerto Rican

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tzanger:

yeah I don't pick up WUTV

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tzanger:

what do I get

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tzanger:

WIVB, CBLT, WKBW, CFTO, CHCH, WNLO, WNYB, CTS, CIII, OMNI1/2, CITY and CKXT

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SpaceTraveler:

I have MythTv running on an old Compaq D510 SFF, I've found that a monitor has to be plugged in for MythTV to boot. I want to just use it headerless with RDP and the Web interface. Can MythTv be forced to boot?

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tzanger:

not bad for a fixed antenna (no rotor)

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wagnerrp:

seems the VHF channels are limited to significantly less than that

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tzanger:

SpaceTraveler: that sounds like a BIOS or maybe distro issue, not a MythTV issue

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Beirdo:

SpaceTraveler: MythTV doesn't care

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wagnerrp:

but UHF are allowed to go up to 1MW

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Beirdo:

that's your computer's BIOS most likely

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tzanger:

yeah, I am running a 4:1 current balun right now, I'm going to build a 1:1 voltage balun this summer to try and squeeze every last dB out of that antenna

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wagnerrp:

45kW and 160kW for VHF low and high

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tzanger:

DigiWave antennas work great, but their baluns are total crap

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Beirdo:

awww come ON!

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SpaceTraveler:

Mmm... I did upgrade to 9.10

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Beirdo:

trying to compile libresolv under mingw

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SpaceTraveler:

Thankss

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Beirdo:

SpaceTraveler: not booting has nothing to do with the application that would run after booting

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tzanger:

time to watch the big lebowski; took the wife bowling for the first time (hers, I'm not much better than a beginner though)

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tzanger:

figured that was a good movie to finish off the night

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wagnerrp:

SpaceTraveler: MythTV needs an X server to run the mythtv-setup and mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

however mythbackend can run completely headless

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Beirdo:

if it won't even start Linux, you have no chance

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv-setup and mythfrontend can be run on a remote X server

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tzanger:

SpaceTraveler: if it *is* 9.10, you may have to screw with the xorg settings so it doesn't try to configure itself due to the (nonexistant) montior's EDID

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tzanger:

my backend machine doesn't even have a video card in it

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tzanger:

it's one of the rare motherboards that has no serial console yet does not require a video card

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wagnerrp:

go to #ubuntu to figure out how to get around booting without a monitor

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bonelifer:

are three newer NVIDIA drivers than 190.53?

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Beirdo:

!url google

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MythLogBot:

google: http://www.google.com/

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tzanger:

heh

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SpaceTraveler:

cool... sounds like a plan. Thanks

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wagnerrp:

i think 195 is the latest release branch

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wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword lmgtfy

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wagnerrp:

hmm... thats a much better site than google.com

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fryfrog:

tzanger: wow, amazing!

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Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

must be fun to trouble shoot if something goes wrong :)

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tzanger:

fryfrog: I set up a serial console, just the BIOS doesn't give me one

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bonelifer:

k...will google that. Just installed 190.53 suprisingly the computer still lives.

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tzanger:

fryfrog: LILO has serila options, as does Linux

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tzanger:

so as long as it'll get to LILO I'll be able to fix it remotely :-)

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fryfrog:

tzanger: ahhh, i thought you meant it didn't have a serial port

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Beirdo:

is a serila like a gorilla?

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fryfrog:

exactly like a gorilla :)

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tzanger:

7 HDDs, a HVR-2250 dual ATSC card, a 102G DVB-S card and an esata cover take up all the expansion

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wagnerrp:

ive got a machine thats serial only, no video capability

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: I have lots of those, but they're all embedded systems :-)

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bonelifer:

the name of the .run file for the 190.53 install file was so long and complex, I thought I'd still be on there typing and re-typing it a million times.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, this is a little geode

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fryfrog:

my *server* is my only linux system now... and it is hooked to the TV... with an 8800GT :p

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wagnerrp:

bonelifer: tab completion is an amazing thing

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bonelifer:

I need to enable that.

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tzanger:

fryfrog: the server's headless, but the frontend machines are all diskless minimyth installs

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bonelifer:

not on by default I guess in MythBuntu

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fryfrog:

wow, what *doesn't* have tab completion??

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** tzanger hearts minimyth **

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tzanger:

anyway, it's big lebowski time

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tzanger:

later

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fryfrog:

on by default, i mean :)

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Beirdo:

sh

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Beirdo:

bash has it... sh doesn't :)

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Beirdo:

nor does csh

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bonelifer:

ah

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bonelifer:

so I'd need to change shells.

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bonelifer:

that's a down the road type of thing

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Beirdo:

but not many people use sh or csh, usually bash or tcsh for login shells

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fryfrog:

even sh is a symlink to bash/dash on my two linux systems i'm on :)

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Beirdo:

it shouldn't be

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fryfrog:

ubuntuz and centos

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Beirdo:

and it isn't anymore on modern debian-based ones

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fryfrog:

fryfrog@apollo:~$ readlink $( which sh )

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fryfrog:

dash

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wagnerrp:

csh has tab completion

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Beirdo:

ubuntu dumped that a while back

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wagnerrp:

(or at least tcsh does)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that's what I said

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Beirdo:

csh does not, tcsh does

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

csh and sh are OOOOLD designs :)

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bonelifer:

Tell MythBuntu that. I thought why won't it tab complete. I'm fairly sure it's something they do in the post install. As I was able to tab complete on Ubuntu 8.10 I believe

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Beirdo:

just do chsh and switch to bash :)

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Beirdo:

I can't live well without it ;)

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Tanthrix:

Is it just me, or is mythvideo broken in trunk?

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Beirdo:

aw come ON. mingw has no fd_set?!

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

winsock2.h

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Beirdo:

gee thanks

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wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: works fine for me, whats the problem?

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Then a possibly stupid follow up question – does myth have to be compiled before you can compile plugins?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

actually, no

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wagnerrp:

it just has to be installed

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wagnerrp:

you can subsequently distclean, and continue to compile plugins

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bonelifer:

195.3 still listed as beta, anyone in here have problems with it. If not then I'll download it and slap it on the usb disk and install it.

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Tanthrix:

Right now, I've got 0.22-fixes installed. I'm playing around with compiling trunk to use the patch I mentioned earlier.

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Tanthrix:

If it's using those libs, that explains the compiling errors about 2 seconds in.

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Tanthrix:

Is there a way to compile trunk mythtv, then compile mythvideo without installing myth yet?

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: sure, just compile it

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fryfrog:

but don't make install

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fryfrog:

and you should be able to point the myth extras at your compiled trunk dir instead of your install

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Tanthrix:

Yah, that's more specifically what I was asking – how to do that.

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fryfrog:

but a trunk mythvideo i doubt would work with a -fixes mythtv

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fryfrog:

if that is what you are shooting for

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wagnerrp:

no, you cannot compile plugins without installing mythtv

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fryfrog:

Tanthrix: prolly have to check ./configure --help

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: sure you can, just point the libs dir at your compiled trunk myth

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fryfrog:

not saying i know *how* to do it, but it has to be possible

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Brad-D2:

silly question guys: if i take a wireless n router, with a 4 port 1gb switch in it, and connect it to another 8-port gigabyte switch (because i need more ports) am i going to lose any speed or have any complications?

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fryfrog:

otherwise you couldn't make packages easily

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fryfrog:

Brad-D2: anything going between switch 1 and 2 will be restricted by a single 1gbit link

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: yes, you can add those directories manually to the library path in the linker

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wagnerrp:

but that requires some special formatting not outlined in the configure help

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: can probably do it with a LIB_PATH=blah ./configure or even a --option, no?

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: ah

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wagnerrp:

you *can* do it, but you have to know what youre doing to pull it off

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fryfrog:

the real question is why bother

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Brad-D2:

fryfrog: that makes sense.. but other wise should have no probs?

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fryfrog:

Brad-D2: i have a 100mbit router hooked to an 8 port gige switch, no problem

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fryfrog:

i just lay it out so the stuff i care about is all on the same 8 port switch

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fryfrog:

the only thing going into the 100mbit switch is the 8 port gige switch and a few misc 100mbit devices i don't care about

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Brad-D2:

that makes total sense.. in fact i may not even have to buy a new wireless n router, because to your point, out to the internet, it doesn't have to be 1gbs (obviously!)

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fryfrog:

exactly :)

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Brad-D2:

and just connect everything to the 8 port switch

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wagnerrp:

right, you just have to understand that you will only have 1gbps of traffic between the two switches

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fryfrog:

that is what i'd do :)

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wagnerrp:

so depending on your traffic behavior, that may exist as a bottleneck

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fryfrog:

i put my xbox on the 100mbit switch cause it doesn't matter

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Brad-D2:

excellent, thanks for the stellar advice as always guys

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wagnerrp:

however for nearly all home users, you would never notice

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Tanthrix:

Oh blah, I need a newer version of vdpau for trunk.

[00:52:35]

fryfrog:

and just make sure my server and desktops are all plugged into the gig switch

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Brad-D2:

yeah i'm thinking of getting a new router as well, because i heard N has much better penetration and distance?

[00:52:52]

fryfrog:

i dunno if you can even buy a non-jumbo packet switch any more, but you might want one of those

[00:52:58]

fryfrog:

ahha, you said penetration :)

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Brad-D2:

i ended up having to set up 2 wireless routers in my house becuase of concrete walls

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wagnerrp:

yeah, same here

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wagnerrp:

one at the front, one at the back

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Brad-D2:

are you on G wagnerr? do you think N would fix your probs?

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wagnerrp:

what problems?

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Brad-D2:

or would i just be wasting cash falling into marketing hype

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fryfrog:

my parents have a refridgerator of doom

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wagnerrp:

the range?

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Brad-D2:

i guess having to have 2 routers (which technically isn't a problem)

[00:54:03]

Brad-D2:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

no, N would do nothing

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fryfrog:

their router covers their whole house, except the area directly behind the fridge :)

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fryfrog:

which is of *course* where my mom's computer is :)

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wagnerrp:

its just a function of microwave frequencies dont like to go through dense materials

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bonelifer:

No concrete, but it was built in the 1940's so they believed in covering from floor to ceiling the walls in wood behind the plaster,etc. Though I'm sure it's better now that one of the bed rooms got a door cut into the wall making it where you can walk in a circle around the interrior of the house at the center.

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Brad-D2:

ahhh, i was hoping N would go through it better

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wagnerrp:

its the same frequency band, how would it?

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fryfrog:

i think a decent antenna on your router and your wifi card can help, assuming you get *some* signal

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fryfrog:

thats what i did for my mom

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wagnerrp:

it is designed to use multipath

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Brad-D2:

i guess i was hoping the magical Wireless N pixies would assist? heheheh

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wagnerrp:

so it *may* be better, because it can better correct for signals bouncing off walls, rather than travelling through them

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wagnerrp:

but expecting it to solve your problems entirely is false hope

[00:56:55]

wagnerrp:

if you need range, go to 900MHz or one of the lower frequency bands

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wagnerrp:

my cousin claims to get a good quarter mile with that hardware

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fryfrog:

what wifi can you get in 900mhz?

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fryfrog:

or is it special equipment?

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wagnerrp:

somewhat special

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wagnerrp:

its also usually much higher power

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bonelifer:

900mhz, the same range as many wireless landline phones.

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Thanks for that above info. Turns out my original problem with the patch was the same issue...I was attempting to compile mythvideo without having first installed the patched myth.

[01:00:41]

bonelifer:

Such a pain that caused when I got my dad a pair of 900mhz wireless earphones for the TV, either it got interference from my pair or the phone when someone called.

[01:00:48]

Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Everything is working great now – mythvideo now remembers what directory it was in.

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fryfrog:

i have a 2.4ghz wireless camera that just absolutely destroys wifi :)

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: yep, makes you want to firebomb someone

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bonelifer:

even the 2.4ghz phone cause interference. Was really a maddening experience.

[01:02:03]

fryfrog:

wagnerrp: the first time i realized it (i rarely use wifi)

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dj_segfault:

I'm having a problem where I installed mythexport (Ubuntu 9.10), and /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythexport.conf is missing. Has anyone seen that? Can anyone tell me how I can get a copy of it?

[01:02:22]

fryfrog:

i had it hooked to my pvr and i was outside and i was trying to use wifi to mythtv to view the video camera

[01:02:28]

fryfrog:

and i was like "wtf, where did my wifi go!"

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wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: please dont make 'me too' type comments on trac

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wagnerrp:

new information only

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wagnerrp:

if you want to discuss, thats what the various mailing lists are for

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lucky:

Hi. Can anyone recommend a TV tuner card for NTSC which will support closed captioning (with mythtv or any other TV program under linux)

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lucky:

or is there a list of such compatible devices somewhere?

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dj_segfault:

lucky: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_capture_card

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lucky:

I saw that, but it doesn't say anything about closed captioning. I have one which has excellent video and audio support but CC isn't decoded.

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dj_segfault:

lucky: Closed captioning just comes along with the signal. I don't know any card that doesn't do that.

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lucky:

the ati tv wonder doesn't. :p

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tank-man:

my pvr-250 does

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tank-man:

lucky, liar, that page does say something about CC

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tank-man:

nice big table

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lucky:

tank-man: i searched for "subtitle" and "closed" and neither turned up anything

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tank-man:

are you getting closed captioning with live tv?

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Hrm? I didn't realize reporting that it works on 0.22-fixes counts as "me too" when no one else had said anything of the sorts.

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wagnerrp:

someone submitting the patch ....

[02:12:19]

wagnerrp:

and he leaves...

[02:16:21]

iamlindoro:

TicketHowTo FTW

[02:16:24]

iamlindoro:

"Posts such as "me too" are tantamount to bumping a ticket. If you'd like to indicate that you are also affected by a bug, that a patch or workaround worked for you, or in any way discuss the ticket, you should do so on the dev mailing list. "

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Tanthrix:

Read the log, so I'm caught up. The only thing is, how does posting that the patch worked for a certain version tantamount to "Me too! I'm broken!"

[02:25:49]

wagnerrp:

it adds no new information

[02:26:04]

wagnerrp:

the patch already works for the submitter

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wagnerrp:

you only have to post if it doesnt work for you

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Tanthrix:

Using trunk. Not 0.22-fixes

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wagnerrp:

who cares if it works on 0.22-fixes

[02:26:45]

wagnerrp:

development goes on in trunk

[02:27:17]

wagnerrp:

patches get put back into the -fixes branch at the maintainer's discression

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Tanthrix:

Maybe somebody running 0.22-fixes who has that problem would care? Maybe the patcher might be interested to know that someone else found it working? But my sincerest apologies for attempting to contribute in some way. I shall not do it again.

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iamlindoro:

not to mention those of us who would apply the patches are generally way more informed than the average user/patch submitter on what will or will not work in which version

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iamlindoro:

don't play such a victim-- you didn't understand how it works, we patiently attempted to correct you-- as the person likely to address the bug when it's properly fixable, your post to the ticket only makes it more unwieldy to deal with

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iamlindoro:

Tickets are for technical information, not for user discussion or dissemination of information between people applying them to their own source

[02:30:53]

iamlindoro:

The patch is wrong/broken/the wrong approach. It's not going to get applied. The ticket will be closed when it is *properly* fixable using MythUI, not a hack local to MythVideo

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Tanthrix:

I am aware of that, and have read the trac FAQ before. I just thought it would be useful to the patcher and/or other people to know that it worked for 0.22-fixes, something loads of people are using.

[02:32:05]

Tanthrix:

I wasn't aware of the technical details of the problem (ie, whether it's a hack to mythvideo or a proper fix) etc..

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iamlindoro:

As I said, tickets aren't for users to pass messages amongst one anoter

[02:32:40]

iamlindoro:

It's quite specifically spelled out in the ticket howto-- so if you read it, you missed that or decided it didn't apply to you

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Tanthrix:

You don't need to get so defensive about it. Lesson learned, next time I'll keep my mouth shut. You don't need to pontificate to me like I'm some newbie who just installed Ubuntu even though I've been using myth and in and out of the chat for 4 years now.

[02:34:25]

Tanthrix:

My apologies for polluting trac – I can appreciate the need to keep it clean and organized so the SNR isn't lowered with user drivel. I didn't think that was what I was doing, but clearly I was wrong.

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iamlindoro:

Nobody is pontificating-- you're the one arguing that your violation of the ticket policies is justified-- I'm correcting your mistaken impression

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Fair enough. You know though, I really liked you a lot better a few years ago when you weren't Enforcer of the Rules who popped up everytime someone cursed or posted incorrectly to trac. Rediscover your inner child, man!

[02:44:53]

Tanthrix:

But, I suppose with great power comes great responsibility. As myth grows, its support structure and beaucracy must grow too.

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bonelifer:

rule breakers always hate the rule enforcers. :)

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Tanthrix:

I lied, I'm back. My client rescheduled, which is good since I'm not much in the mood to do remote support for a nimwit right now.

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Tanthrix:

bonelifer: There's probably some truth in that, I suspect..

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bonelifer:

I know, I'm a forum admin.

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Tanthrix:

So, does anyone know where I would look to fiddle with the code that makes MythVideo only update its directory list if it hasn't been accessed in 4–5 seconds (I'm looking to make it update every time, so I can exit and re-enter immediately)

[02:55:33]

Tanthrix:

Rather than having to exit, wait 4–5 seconds, then re-enter to find my new file. (And I don't use the db/metadata, so doing a scan for changes is not the solution since it takes 4–5 seconds.)

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bonelifer:

The .run installer files for the NVIDIA drivers, the ftp has three of them for 195.36.08, pkg0, pkg1, pkg2. Do I need to download all three?

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wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: as i understand it, mythvideo only updates its internal list when you first load it

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wagnerrp:

if you subsequently update the content, you have to back out, and let it refresh

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wagnerrp:

note that hitting the 'scan' option will initiate this refresh

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Hrm. See, I'm using it in file browse mode with metadata turned off. In 0.21, I could exit and re-enter to find my new file, immediately. With the current version if I do this, it's not there. I have to exit, wait 4–5 seconds, then re-enter to find it.

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wagnerrp:

so the only time you should have problems is if you have multiple frontends, and scan on one of the other frontends

[03:07:27]

wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: And doing the scan invokes database stuff, taking 5–6 seconds rather than the 1 or so it takes without that.

[03:07:45]

Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: No prob, thanks anyway. I'll post on the list to see if anyone knows something.

[03:07:45]

wagnerrp:

the code may not even exist in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

it may be something to do with Qt

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Tanthrix:

Oh really? I didn't consider that possibility

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wagnerrp:

the plugin exits, the structures are dereferenced

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wagnerrp:

and then some number of seconds later, it gets deallocated in Qt's garbage collerctor

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Tanthrix:

In which case, there's probably nothing that can be done about it.

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wagnerrp:

there probably is something that could be done about it

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wagnerrp:

however there's probably nothing that will be done about it

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wagnerrp:

assuming the MFSW stuff makes it into 0.23

[03:10:02]

wagnerrp:

err... 0.24

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Tanthrix:

Well, I meant by me. Was hoping there was some code that specified a timeout period I could modify, but it's never that simple.

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bonelifer:

Beirdo thanks for the chsh voodoo. terminal tab completion. <3's

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Je3:

Hello everybody, I have a general question about Myth TV. I have been looking at it and it seems a very nice multimedia platform. I would be interested by an integrated software that can display photos, play some music, and play the fm radio. I found some information about the music and photos with some Myth TV plugins, and one wiki page about a pci-fm-tuner integrated in Myth Tv. I would need a USB FM tuner for my setup. Would it be possible to use su

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KjetilK:

Je3, the music player in Myth is pretty good already, but the gallery viewer is very basic

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KjetilK:

you can do slideshows in folders with pictures

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KjetilK:

I don't know about the radio stuff, but I around here, most radios send stuff as podcasts, so I have used Mythstream a bit

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Je3:

ok, will have a look at mythstream then. thanks

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jarle:

so... what is the best value vdpau capable gfx-card these days?

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Brad-D2:

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russell5:

I have a user job than uses nuvexport to trancode recording to xvid. Is the any way to have the newly created file replace the larger unconverted one in mythtv

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Chicago:

russell5, like a bash script that deletes the old file and moves the newly created one and gives it the original filename?

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russell5:

i never thought of that, that should work. yeah i just basicly wanna save space by trancoding to xvid but i wanna keep it under recorded programs

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jarle:

DTVMux, Error: Invalid S2 modulation system parameter '1', aborting.

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jarle:

DVBChan(6:/dev/dvb/adapter5/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(50): Failed to initialize multiplex options

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jarle:

hmm....

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wagnerrp:

russell5: i would be surprised if nuvexport doesnt already have that as a behavioral option

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wagnerrp:

Je3: there have been a handful of external plugins and hacks to support radio tuners in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

but there has never been any form of official support

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wagnerrp:

hmm... seems he quit

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: no, nuvexport will not replace the original. It's meant for exporting not transcoding within myth

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Beirdo:

err, that was to russell5 as well :)

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russell5:

thanks

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** Beirdo is now waiting for mysql to compile under cygwin **

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Beirdo:

no problem

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Beirdo:

you could put the output into your mythvideo directory though

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russell5:

yeah i was gonna do that

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russell5:

im just waiting on getting a new case so i can use all the spare parts i have and have a bigger hd on my mythtv box

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Beirdo:

but replacing the recording would be messy, as you'd need to pull out all commflagging, etc details too. it would be a pain to do

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russell5:

yeah that makes sense

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Beirdo:

mythtranscode gives that kind of functionality, but not to create divx/xvid last I heard\

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wagnerrp:

does #8115 look like a duplicate to anyone else?

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wagnerrp:

i know i discussed it with someone in here a week or two ago, but i thought there was a ticket against it already

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i know youve got some sort of search tool, but i dont remember how to access it

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russell5:

yeah i noticed mythtrancode did that thats why i figured i could use it for xvid

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you can search via the bot, but it's not quite doing what I want yet :)

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Beirdo:

!help search

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wagnerrp:

i recall doing something on the website itself

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Beirdo:

Ahh, that will be broken right now

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but google does a pretty good job too

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Beirdo:

just add host:mythtv.beirdo.ca and it probably will find it

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Beirdo:

the web-based search still needs reworking to use CLucene via the webservice

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Beirdo:

haven't had time yet

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wagnerrp:

no joy with google... probably not searching for the right thing

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wagnerrp:

oh well

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's always the hard part

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

their ./configure is kinda messed up too when it comes to cygwin

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Beirdo:

so, --without-readline it is

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Beirdo:

and we wait half an hour or so for configure to rerun

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Beirdo:

cygwin ain't fast

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bmidgley2:

rescan in .22/ubuntu 9.10 destroys my channel listing

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bmidgley2:

where in .21 I could use it to gently update the listing

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bmidgley2:

is there a way to get the old behavior?

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bmidgley2:

using us/cable/qam256,128,64,hdhomerun+hd3000

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Chicago:

Am I naive for giving my /srv/mythtv/storage partition raid0+ext2... I already know files won't delete as quickly as JFS... no problem.... but what I'm going for is less CPU usage while writing to the disks.

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jarle:

Does multirec also work with dvb-s2 cards?

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Beirdo:

bmidgley2: dunno

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Beirdo:

Chicago: do you really think that ext2 will save much CPU on write?

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Beirdo:

I would suggest either XFS or JFS for storage partitions (over raid0 if ya want, of course)

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Beirdo:

jarle: no clue :)

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Chicago:

Beirdo, JFS was showing up in top while writing lots of data to the disks... and my mencoder process was waiting on disk io....

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bmidgley2:

I "fixed" my db by restoring a backup from 3 days ago... what table should I look at to get back recordings that are now on disk and the db doesn't know about

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Chicago:

Beirdo, neat thing is... on this reconfiguration with raid0+ext2, mencoder does 300+fps (same conditions) when previously it was doing about 170fps.

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bmidgley2:

I dumped the db before doing the restore

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justinh:

jarle: sure it does. why wouldn't it?

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Chicago:

Beirdo, but to be fair.... LVM is out of the way this time....

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Beirdo:

I think you are comparing apples to oranges anyways

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Beirdo:

it's far more likely to be LVM overhead than filesystem overhead, I would guess

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Beirdo:

and how much of that is read slowness, and how much write slowness

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justinh:

bmidgley2: the recorded table.. you'll likely want to rebuild the seektable for those other recordings too

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justinh:

people still use LVM? heh

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Beirdo:

hell yes, people still use LVM

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Beirdo:

why wouldn't I?

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jarle:

justinh: dunno, I'm just trying to figure out this error: DTVMux, Error: Invalid S2 modulation system parameter '1', aborting.

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justinh:

jarle: you can't mix dvb-s & dvb-s2 though.. multirec would only work with one transponder at a time anyway

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justinh:

jarle: that's not multirec related. looks API related to me

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justinh:

Beirdo: just figured with SGs, folks wouldn't feel the need to use LVM as much these days

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justinh:

(in a mythtv context I mean)

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Beirdo:

well, that depends on how you architect your setup :)

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Beirdo:

for me (once I rebuild), I plan on having one BIG storage server

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Beirdo:

and running all my other servers from its storage (other than boot OS off local disk)

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Beirdo:

and on the big storage server, LVM is nearly a must

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Beirdo:

or ZFS should I run Solaris 10 on it :)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I'm starting to look at what I'll need to do to move my myth backend

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jarle:

justinh: oki, I'll have to figure out how to setup my dvb-s2 card so that I can multirec 2xdvb-s or 2xdvb-s2 at any given time...

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justinh:

jarle: you can't anyway, not if they're on different frequencies

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Beirdo:

I already have a RAID5 card... that nearly 1TB RAID5 has LVM on it too

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justinh:

jarle: so if it's tuned to a dvb-s mux it couldn't record something from another transponder anyway

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justinh:

and vice-versa

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Beirdo:

OK, Mysql! Eat me!

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Beirdo:

I tell it to configure --without-readline

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Beirdo:

it gets way into it, and complains that it can't find readline

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Beirdo:

well DUH

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justinh:

ah bum. laptop display is starting to go pear shaped. it's either the inverter, the backlight or the cabling

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Beirdo:

!trout mysql stupid configure script

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wagnerrp:

Chicago: you should NEVER use raid0 with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

storage groups with independent disks will actually have higher total throughput than RAID0

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wagnerrp:

and its not like youre otherwise getting redundancy out of the deal

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, Good thing it doesn't cost money to change my mind

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, I guess I'd get better throughput too...

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Chicago:

I don't need the redundancy

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wagnerrp:

basically, mythtv has no use for the 200+MB/s you would get out of two striped drives

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Chicago:

Especially not for a volume who's main purpose is to read and write files as fast as possible, for transcoding purposes.

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wagnerrp:

and having independent drives means you wont have the overhead of frequent seeking

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Chicago:

I'm writing some user jobs... which need the disk bandwidth.

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that could use the disk bandwidth of a stripe is just copying files around

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, I like the fact that if the disks aren't bound... then I/O to one won't be as much of a factor with i/o to the other.

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, it is disk expensive to use mencoder to blow a dvd title into rawvideo, which my userjob does do.

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wagnerrp:

why would you ever use raw video?

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, when I pull the stream from the dvd and send it to ffmpeg to make an mpeg2.... it's "not right"... if I output from mencoder in raw format and give it to ffmpeg... then the aspect ratio is preserved and the processing of telecine and interlacing is much more perfect.

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wagnerrp:

use something like huffman or mpng

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wagnerrp:

its lossless, will run several thousand fps on a modern CPU

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wagnerrp:

and will third or quarter the amount of disk space required

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Chicago:

I was looking at huffman with -vcodec huffyuv.... and on a south park episode 22minutes, would see a file size of about 14GB...

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Chicago:

if I did vpass=3 twice with huffyuv, then the same episode would get to be around 11GB...

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Chicago:

wagnerrp.... no matter what though.... if I use huffyuv and then attempt to inverse-telecine and deinterlace; the resultant video is less good then if I passed it to ffmpeg from mencoder as raw video.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that sounds about right

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wagnerrp:

uncompressed would be over 30GB

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Chicago:

It's about 21GB

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wagnerrp:

D1?

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Chicago:

The thing is... if I give mplayer a huffyuv.avi to "play" which just came out of mencoder, mplayer doesn't implicitly know the aspect ratio of the dvd title.

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Chicago:

If I used raw with mencoder, then mplayer can play the avi AND know it's aspect ratio... (which is one less thing for my shell script to do)

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Chicago:

D1...?

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wagnerrp:

DVD video at 24p is going to be just under 24MB/s

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wagnerrp:

which puts it at around 30GB for 22 minutes

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wagnerrp:

D1 = 704/720x480

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Chicago:

The rawvideo files from mencoder aren't that big here... they are 20000mb – 21000mb.

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether it decompressed to RGB or YUV

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wagnerrp:

the latter is half the bitrate

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Chicago:

yuv420p

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wagnerrp:

so it should be 15–16GB (plus audio), and huffman should be closer to 5GB

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wagnerrp:

15GB for 22min of huffman... something is wrong

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wagnerrp:

i would usually run 20–25GB for a full length movie

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, mencoder dvd://${SELECTED_TRACK} -dvd-device "${DVD_VIDEO}" -aid 128 -oac copy -ovc raw -o /srv/mythtv/storage/vortex/scratch/"${tvshow_name} s${season}e${episode_number}.avi"

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Chicago:

That gives me 20000mb – 21000mb.

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Chicago:

ffv1 puts it closer to the 5GB.

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, I have been toying with mencoder/ffmpeg for five days looking for the best way to archive season1 disc1 of South Park, which is not the best source material to begin with.

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wagnerrp:

the video on the dvd is actually interlaced?

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wagnerrp:

normally the dvd player does that for you

[12:50:15]

wagnerrp:

rather, normally the dvd player will telecine for you

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wagnerrp:

while the content on disk will be progressive

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, actually as far as I can tell... it was telecined twice

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wagnerrp:

you cant telecine twice

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Chicago:

Man

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Chicago:

I am saying they shoot south park from still images...

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Chicago:

The source on the DVD is telecined and interlaced.

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wagnerrp:

you can only be one or the other, not both

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Chicago:

After doing the ivtc... you can inspect the frames and see artifacts from the crappy first round of encoding.

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wagnerrp:

ok, so theyre just very horribly mastered

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Chicago:

Grab South Park Season1 Disc 1.... see if what I'm jibber jabbering about makes sense and is true.

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wagnerrp:

my above comments were assuming the disks were put together by a qualified studio engineer

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Chicago:

lol

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Chicago:

Comedy Central should hire some....

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Chicago:

Happily, I am able to retrieve unadulterated 24fps using my method.

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innatech:

So, I have s-video input viewable in mplayer on my backend now...but remote frontends seem to crash when I switch them to that input or source. Similarly, the XBMC myth viewer displays a few seconds of blank screen and then errors out. What have I missed?

[12:56:02]

Chicago:

innatech, I think it's permissions on the write directory.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv works fine when using the tuner input, but breaks on the svideo input?

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innatech:

Well, the tuner input has no signal, but works.

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innatech:

And then crashes when I switch the source or input to svideo.

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wagnerrp:

when you use it, you see static? (rather than nothingness)

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innatech:

No, I see a black screen. Thought that was correct for no-signal.

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wagnerrp:

depends on the card

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innatech:

It says no signal, I think.

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wagnerrp:

how are you switching between inputs?

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innatech:

With the menu.

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innatech:

I've tried both switch input and display w/the same result.

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wagnerrp:

so youve defined them both in mythtv-setup, and then youre just changing them using the on screen menu in mythfrontend?

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innatech:

or source, that is.

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innatech:

Yep.

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wagnerrp:

have you put both of those inputs in an input group?

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innatech:

Thought I might try try deleting the tuners, but then the FE could just crash @ startup.

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wagnerrp:

you may be seeing some sort of race condition

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innatech:

hmm. No, haven't tried that.

[12:59:42]

wagnerrp:

right now, myth sees the two inputs as two completely separate cards

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innatech:

All I care about for starters is the svideo for a dtv receiver.

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wagnerrp:

so it may be trying to access the second 'card' before freeing up the first

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innatech:

I'll check the permissions and try assigning them to an input group.

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wagnerrp:

causing the driver to throw an error, and mythtv to fail

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innatech:

Yeah, I can see how that would work.

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wagnerrp:

maybe... it might automatically handle multiple inputs on a single card properly

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wagnerrp:

ive never actually used it that way to know one way or another

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innatech:

I haven't seen any screaming about it in the CX-18 listserv, which I read pretty thoroughly in getting this thing working.

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Chicago:

innatech, I was wondering about howto use the s-video input with the cx18 driver... I had to revert to using the pvr150 with the v4l2ctl script from ivtv...

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Chicago:

What are you using to switch the inputs on the cx18 driver?

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innatech:

first you do v4l2-ctl --set-input=1

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innatech:

then mplayer /dev/video0 -vo xv -ao alsa

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innatech:

-cache if you need it.

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innatech:

I also had to crank vmalloc way up and set pci-=nommconf

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innatech:

*pci=nommconf

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KaZeR:

hi guys. anyone here using a softcam with mythtv?

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Chicago:

innatech, are you on linux-kernel 2.6.31?

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innatech:

mm...not sure. Give me a minute and I'll check.

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Chicago:

okay... I'm running AFK for a bit

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Chicago:

KaZeR, back in the days of MythPhone, lots of us probably had a softcam like a Logitech Quickcam with mythtv.

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AndyCap:

Chicago: that's a webcam.. and softcams are not allowed here

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dorgan:

damn i was going to try and make a dedicated run between my living room and office today but its impossible to get around in my attic and I am not sure how the cable guy was able to do it

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Chicago:

AndyCap, doh!

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AndyCap:

KaZeR: get a hardcam.

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Chicago:

I definitely read that one wrong.... maybe next time someone asks about softcam I'll play stupid again.

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KaZeR:

AndyCap, ah, sorry. AndyCap i have a tevii usb reader. is that allowed to discuss here?

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KaZeR:

Chicago, thanks for the attention, anyway ;)

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AndyCap:

KaZeR: afaik there's no driver for those usb cam adapters, but I saw some mention about it a while ago. So I don't think you can make it work on linux. I could be wrong though

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AndyCap:

KaZeR: or is it a usb tuner with cam interface?

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KaZeR:

And4713, i have a usb cardreader, which is saw on linux as /dev/ttyUSB0

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KaZeR:

and i use newcs+sasc-ng to give access to the card to mythtv

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AndyCap:

KaZeR: yeah, not allowed in here.

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KaZeR:

ok, i understand. which part is the problem? newcs? cause i don't mind trying something less arguable, since i have a valid subscription and card

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AndyCap:

KaZeR: a physical CAM to put your smartcard in and a tuner with a CI interface to put the CAM in. softcam etc is not allowed in here.

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tank-man:

what do you mean softcam is not allowed in here?

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KaZeR:

ok, no problem. i'll try to get help somewhere else. thanks anyway

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AndyCap:

tank-man: I mean http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content

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tank-man:

ok, sorry, plus i didnt know what a softcam is

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AndyCap:

tank-man: software emulation of the conditional access system module. CAM is like a CableCard just more widespread.

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innatech:

wagnerrp, added both inputs to the same group, but still having the same result.

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innatech:

Chicago, I'm on 2.6.31–14

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gip:

i need help; i have a problem on viewing live-tv on a mythfrontend client

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gip:

it seems that there is not enught time vor switching the channel on the server

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gip:

on first time i start live-tv, i need usually 3 or 4 times to start

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gip:

i have a hauppauge nova card 01:08.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01)

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dorgan:

would using one of those ethernet of powerlines systems work for a single fe/be box that records from a hd Homerun?

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Chicago:

innatech, well 2.6.31 is the best kernel I've found so far running the cx18... but like I said; I have no experience getting output from the s-video input on that device.

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innatech:

Chicago, I can watch the dtv tuner just fine in mplayer on the back end.

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innatech:

I'm going to try removing everything but one input and source.

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Chicago:

innatech, did you set the input to NTSC?

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innatech:

In myth, or in v4l2-ctl?

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Chicago:

v4l2-ctl

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innatech:

hmm. Not sure if I've done that since my last restart.

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Chicago:

What does the output from v4l2-ctl -d /dev/vide0 -L or video1 look loke?

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dorgan:

would using one of those ethernet of powerlines systems work for a single fe/be box that records from a hd Homerun?

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Chicago:

dorgan, is there a limitation on the ethernet speed?

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dorgan:

the ones i am seeing would be 200mbps

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innatech:

chicago, stream_type set to MPEG2, audio_layer_ii_bitrate 256kbps, encoding mpeg2, aspect 4x3...don't see standard or format in there.

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dorgan:

or should i just bite the bullet and hire a low voltage contractor to come in and run the dedicated ethernet line?

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Chicago:

dorgan, bullet

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Chicago:

dorgan, have him run more then one if you're paying!

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dorgan:

yeah i am probably going to have 3 run….one for the mythbox, another for a switch for the xbox/ps3/wii and then a spare

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dorgan:

actually wii i will probably leave wireless

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Chicago:

innatech, it's one of the other arguments to v4l2-ctl then... check out the -help and verify the one that sets the video standard.

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innatech:

v4l2-ctl -S confirms NTSC.

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Chicago:

innatech, I know that on mine... input=2 is composite#1 and input=4 is composite#2

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Chicago:

Have you tried any of the other analog inputs?

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innatech:

Chicago, It's working in mplayer with input 1.

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innatech:

So that's where the signal is.

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Chicago:

Is input=1 the svideo?

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innatech:

Yep.

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Chicago:

That's the source you want to record?

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innatech:

And/or view live. Yes.

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Chicago:

Did you tell the backend it's an ivtv encoder?

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Chicago:

Oh and is it /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 or another?

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innatech:

Hrrm. Let me see how I set it up. I followed a howto for the HVR-1600.

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innatech:

It's on /dev/video0

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Chicago:

Then treat it exactly like a pvr150.

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Chicago:

Just type /dev/video0 if it's not autodetected...

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Chicago:

Then it should appear as IVTV tuner #0 or #1.

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innatech:

Aha. I think that was the problem. Had it set to a different card type.

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Chicago:

bingo

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justinh:

sooner that stuff can be automagically detected the better IMHO

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justinh:

take out the step where users assume it already does that ;-)

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innatech:

Chicago, blam!

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innatech:

working.

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Chicago:

kickass

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innatech:

Looks great too. Cheers!

[14:02:22]

Chicago:

innatech, tweak the temporal and spatial settings and -c set their flags to auto... it should look "even better"

[14:02:38]

innatech:

I'm going to worry about binding it to the TV-out on the frontend first.

[14:02:45]

justinh:

I found the defaults always looked way too trippy ;-)

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innatech:

Not much sense adjusting it for the VGA out.

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Chicago:

What I'm saying is they are encoding parameters from v4l2-ctl... when you -L /dev/video0 you'll see what the flags are currently set to.

[14:04:19]

justinh:

heh my pvr150 had me thinking I'd taken drugs the first time I used it

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innatech:

yeah, I know what you mean. I'm just saying I'm not going to keep using this display, so I'll do that once I get the primary display set to my GPU's video out.

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justinh:

all the video had motion trails :D

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Chicago:

justinh, were you taking drugs?

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justinh:

innatech: no, you'll need to do it anyway

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justinh:

Chicago: nope, but the DNR settings were just crazy by default IMHO

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Chicago:

the driver has come a LONG way

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justinh:

yeah well I've long since ditched it. Did they ever fix the dalek audio problem?

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innatech:

justinh: won't I want to tweak the encoding parameters based upon what the output looks like on the TV rather than a monitor? Or that's not a significant difference?

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Chicago:

justinh, I've just connected a 10 year old camcorder to the pvr150.

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dustybin:

justinh: what kind of TV card would i require to pickup freeview HD ?

[14:06:45]

justinh:

innatech: no, the DNR settings should be set as Chicago said or the resultant video might look sub-optimal on any display

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Chicago:

dustybin, the HD Homerun by silicon dust might be better than a 'tv card'.

[14:06:57]

innatech:

justinh, gotcha. Cool.

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dustybin:

Chicago: i live in UK

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justinh:

I never even tried the onboard tuner on my 150 card

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justinh:

I was pulling svideo & stereo audio from a cable box downstairs, run over cat5 with a couple of electronic balancing units :)

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Chicago:

The onboard tuner for the 150 still makes better video then the tuner on my hvr-1600... the hvr-1600 doesn't handle overdriven video as well, yet.

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justinh:

those were the days, changing channels over http. pity those boxes aren't even allowed

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Chicago:

What do you mean not allowed?

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justinh:

I mean not allowed

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Chicago:

Which boxes?

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justinh:

never you mind ;-)

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Chicago:

The HD Homerun?

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justinh:

no, dvb-c thingies

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Chicago:

Oh

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Chicago:

Those unmentionables

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Chicago:

Quick everybody join /#toomanysecrets

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** kormoc blinks **

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justinh:

myers. not that I ever did anything bad with it. and now apparently even connecting them isn't a cardinal sin.. they just won't work

[14:11:17]

justinh:

if only the cable provider was kind enough to offer an interface on http. that'd be sweet

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justinh:

I'd almost be tempted to upgrade & pay for more channels

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justinh:

course if they offered a CAM I'd take their arm off

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justinh:

not holding my breath about them moving to IPTV – it'll likely be some propriatary crap nothing but their STB can use

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wagnerrp:

Chicago: do you work for some astronomy firm?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: don't you mean a toy company?

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, can you guess which one?

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wagnerrp:

Setec?

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Chicago:

lol, Sneakers is probably my favorite movie.

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sid3windr:

[28|19:04:30] < justinh> all the video had motion trails :D

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sid3windr:

had the same when I put my pvr150 in my xp box

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sid3windr:

seems better now, don't remember how I fixed it

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sid3windr:

but pretty bad

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

sid3windr: probably the dnr settings

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fukdnscerd:

I'm trying to write a script that will burn the active play queue in mythmusic, does anybody know where myth keeps the active play queue, whether in the db or otherwise

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Chicago:

fukdnscertd, sounds like you're writing a useful script. I don't know where the active play queue is kept.... did you look in ~/.mythtv for mythmusic?

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fukdnscerd:

no i havent been browsing the db, i will check tho

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fukdnscerd:

don't see anything, thought maybe it would be in the playlist tables, but i don't see it. I am not currently listening to music so maybe its a dynamic playlist created at runtime?

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darkdrgn2k:

hi im trying to add a slave backen to my myth network

[17:32:00]

darkdrgn2k:

but i keep getting this on the salve:

[17:32:01]

darkdrgn2k:

2010-02–28 16:31:07.293 Connected successfully

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darkdrgn2k:

2010-02–28 16:31:13.393 MythSocket(8bae158:0): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.

[17:32:06]

darkdrgn2k:

runnign fixes

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fukdnscerd:

has the audio cd burning option in mythmusic been abandoned? i can't find any information on its development and the option doesnt even appear grayed out anymore

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paul-h:

fukdnscerd: no one ever finished writing the cd burning option so it was removed, the create mp3 cd option is still there

[17:48:55]

paul-h:

fukdnscerd: the active playlist is stored in the music_playlists table and is called default_music_storage.

[17:50:55]

fukdnscerd:

excellent thank you so much, that is exactly what i was looking for. I am only writing a simple shell script to burn the active play queue to audio cd. I am not proficient in c++. When I am finished I will post my script for everyones benefit.

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darkdrgn2k:

ok any one know why my encoder on a slave box is not showing up at all as a encoder (avaialble or other)

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fukdnscerd:

paul-h: I am currently playing a song from my active play queue but the default_playlist_storage is still empty

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paul-h:

fukdnscerd: Unfortuatly MythMusic caches a lot of stuff and only writes it to the db when it exits

[18:01:11]

fukdnscerd:

i see

[18:01:25]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Paul-h, why is that, out of curiousity?

[18:01:50]

paul-h:

no idea

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fukdnscerd:

yep that did it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm always curious why design is done the way it is.

[18:03:10]

fukdnscerd:

do you know of any way i can query that information prior to exiting mythmusic? maybe grep the cache directly if possible I can exit and run the script but that may be more of a hassle for some.

[18:06:29]

fukdnscerd:

i am assuming it caches it in ram as opposed to a file tho

[18:06:48]

paul-h:

it's stored in gMusicData->all_playlists->getActive() but you can only access that from within the plugin

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fukdnscerd:

i see, well i guess it might be time to dive a little deeper into c++!!

[18:12:25]

fukdnscerd:

does mythfrontend support dcop?

[18:19:23]

GreyFoxx:

no it does not

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wagnerrp:

you can access the playlists through the database

[18:20:12]

wagnerrp:

if you want to continue with the external script

[18:20:29]

wagnerrp:

you can look into adding a 'query playlist' into the frontend socket control

[18:21:20]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if the control socket in its current form supports any sort of fine control over the plugins

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paul-h:

I'd rather someone finished writing the existing Playlist::CreateCDAudio() function using the existing CreateCDMP3() function as a template :)

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wagnerrp:

well either way, hes going to have to write a fairly useful chunk of c++

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fukdnscerd:

I am eager to learn c++, just not a lot of time to do so. Maybe I can give it a go, and worst case is it won't work/be accepted right? At least it will be experience

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how there could be anything worse than it just not being accepted

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wagnerrp:

well... perhaps you could have it get accepted, only to be ridiculed by the non-contributing masses

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It is a thin line.

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fukdnscerd:

sounds like its worth a shot to me, I have experience in Basic and Visual basic, i am almost ashamed to say!! you guys think im getting in over my head?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Fukdnscerd, possibly. But you'll never know till you try.

[18:34:06]

fukdnscerd:

too true

[18:34:50]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Admittedly, I haven't tried anything but a few minor fixes for any project, so I have no right to complain. Suggest maybe, but not complain.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I wish you luck though

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fukdnscerd:

thank you

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What is your dream feature you want to write?

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sid3windr:

MythKitchenSink!

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I was asking Fukdnscerd specifically.

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fukdnscerd:

hmmm....???

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What features are you looking to implement by yourself?

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fukdnscerd:

well i'm really into Home technology integration, so I think some type of home automation control panel or something

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fukdnscerd:

although i havent done much checking maybe its already done

[18:43:18]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Fukdnscerd, lighting control? Or scene-based control triggered by events in MythTV, ie playback of a movie can set the lights to your 'movie scene'?

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cecil:

fukdnscerd: "pluto home" or "linux mce"

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fukdnscerd:

that would be a start, but why not a gateway to everything automated in your home, ie thermostats, lights, blinds, ir repeater, etc... anything automatable

[18:46:14]

fukdnscerd:

cecil: ok, I'll have to check those out

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fukdnscerd:

mythtv could be the next home automation controller. idk tho maybe that is just a little out of the scope of mythtv

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Fukdnscerd, that sort of thing costs a lot of money, but it could conceivably be a plugin. Zoneminder has a MythTV plugin, I believe.

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cecil:

GadgetWisdomGuru: yes, it does

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fukdnscerd:

thats very true, but then again home automation isnt really for the limited budget tho

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Fukdnscerd, exactly. I have a few X10 controllers because it was easier than wiring extra light switches and it adds up

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cecil:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Control-X10-modules-via-MythTV/

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Cecil, unfortunately my USB PowerLinc from Smarthome has no current Linux-based driver, save the old Project Wish stuff, which I could never get to work.

[19:07:15]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Cecil, and my CM11A requires a serial port and won't take a USB->serial converter.

[19:09:50]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But my X10 issues are beyond the scope of this room.

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[20:12:59]

Beirdo:

It's good to be Canadian :)

[20:16:03]

wagnerrp:

seems your professional american hockey players were better than our professional american hockey players

[20:19:13]

Beirdo:

!trout wagnerrp

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[20:19:29]

Beirdo:

our professional CANADIAN hockey players :)

[20:19:48]

Beirdo:

but yeah :)

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high-rez:

Who spend all their time training and practicing in the US with US teams.

[20:20:00]

Beirdo:

so? :)

[20:20:08]

high-rez:

You're only as good as your training.

[20:20:18]

Beirdo:

some of the American players train and play in Canada, do they not?

[20:20:43]

high-rez:

Yes, but we lost.

[20:20:44]

Beirdo:

and the Swedish, etc

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high-rez:

:)

[20:21:02]

high-rez:

Congrats, you barely won at the game you were supposed to win at ;)

[20:21:03]

Beirdo:

true

[20:21:09]

Beirdo:

but ya got silver

[20:21:13]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: curling?

[20:21:17]

Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

:)

[20:21:39]

Beirdo:

how did we do in curling?

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high-rez:

Curling is like putin, it should stay in canada and never leave.

[20:21:46]

wagnerrp:

like half the trainers for the other countries were canadian

[20:21:52]

Beirdo:

I hate not having TV

[20:21:59]

Beirdo:

high-rez: you mean poutine

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wagnerrp:

however it turned out, a canadian led them to victory

[20:22:03]

Beirdo:

putin is in Russia

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high-rez:

Right, that stuff. :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, what's the situation with your Myth setup?

[20:22:20]

Beirdo:

and poutine kicks butt :)

[20:22:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:22:28]

sphery:

Nice. A cornucopia of bad advice for rebuilding a MythTV system: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/425270#425270 . It's amazing how many flat-out-wrong descriptions of what to do he found.

[20:22:38]

Beirdo:

I have 3 analog tuners in a box that is off...

[20:22:57]

Beirdo:

my storage array is currently being re-built... dead RAID card – new one just arrived

[20:23:11]

Beirdo:

I have digital OTA, but my air2pc card died

[20:23:21]

Beirdo:

basically, I'm screwed for the moment :)

[20:23:23]

Beirdo:

heh

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Bad luck?

[20:23:31]

Beirdo:

bad power grid

[20:23:35]

Beirdo:

and bad luck

[20:23:44]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

One of my drives and my CPU fan died in the same week last month. I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop

[20:24:07]

Beirdo:

thankfully the replacement RAID card is working well

[20:24:40]

Beirdo:

transferring the LVM onto a 2TB external drive

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

You use a RAID for recordings, or not?

[20:24:57]

Beirdo:

so I can shift junk around and put parts BACK onto the RAID

[20:24:59]

Beirdo:

yes

[20:26:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I use a RAID for video storage, but not for recordings. If I'm keeping it, I transcode it and move it to mythvideo quickly.

[20:26:23]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Or try to.

[20:26:24]

Beirdo:

so once I get the data off the RAID, I can actually run mythtv again (kinda) but no recording.

[20:26:50]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Go bleeding edge and try MythNetVision and/or go with MiroBridge?

[20:26:56]

Beirdo:

I guess I *could* record analog from the crappy little digital box

[20:27:17]

Beirdo:

nah, I'm planning a total rebuild in a month or so

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Beirdo:

if budget allows, etc

[20:28:47]

Beirdo:

but right now, I have the contents of 4 different servers all on that 2TB external drive

[20:29:04]

Beirdo:

or soon will once the transfer of the RAID is finished

[20:29:08]

RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: Personally I use both. Right now Netvision is beta and will eventually exceed the features of MiroBridge. Right now Netvision has searching which is not in MiroBridge.

[20:29:13]

Beirdo:

transferring 800+G takes a while

[20:29:15]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I want someone to tell me how long on a really good processor it takes to transcode 720p/1080i. To take it down to 960x540, where I archive it, takes roughly 3.5–4 hours per hour of video.

[20:29:53]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, I've seen the screencasts, but I have decided to only go bleeding edge stuff if I can't live without it.

[20:30:22]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm hoping NetVision will deprecate MiroBridge. I love that it is available, but it is a script as opposed to a plugin.

[20:31:19]

RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: "can't live without it" is in the eye of the beholder. MiroBridge is more mature right now and is available with 0.22. It is up to you.

[20:31:31]

Chicago:

GadgetWisdomGuru... for transcoding here; instead of answering you in terms of how much time it takes... I can tell you an Intel quad-core with 12mb L2 cache @2.83GHz is more than 25% faster than 6mb L2 cache on a Xeon 2.66GHz.

[20:32:00]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, I'm using it now. It replaced mythnettv, as I like to support official products.

[20:32:31]

Beirdo:

I need to buy some MythBeer :)

[20:32:34]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Chicago, I have an Athlon X2 5600+.

[20:32:49]

Chicago:

some of the ssse3 stuff moves the data a bit faster

[20:33:04]

RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: I am unsure which you are using now. Just curious.

[20:33:29]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

My next rebuild is going to go intel, likely. Want a change.

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Chicago:

hehe I may go AMD on my next one... there are some virtualization advantages I want to see

[20:34:34]

Beirdo:

get one of each

[20:34:34]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, I use MiroBridge.

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sid3windr:

Beirdo: not to jinx anything but last time I moved data off my raid temporarily to a single drive, that drive died... :p

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Chicago, my issue is power. I want the lowest power/heat I can produce.

[20:35:00]

Beirdo:

sid3windr: it's brand new

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RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: aah and thanks for the answer.

[20:35:02]

Beirdo:

heh

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sid3windr:

Beirdo: so was mine...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But, I've consistently gone with AMD, so I might stay.

[20:35:21]

Beirdo:

yeah well

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Chicago:

GadgetWisdomGuru, really not the best set of limitations...

[20:35:35]

Beirdo:

I'll survive if I have o

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sid3windr:

:-)

[20:35:46]

Beirdo:

that reminds me

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, the pain is configuring it with my headless backend. I log in remotely and launch miro over SSH.

[20:35:54]

sid3windr:

no single drives ever again for me :p

[20:36:02]

Beirdo:

should copy my trac stuff off there soon

[20:36:15]

Beirdo:

start pushing more to github

[20:36:17]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Chicago, which is? The heat/power issue? I meant lowest I can get away with.

[20:36:47]

Chicago:

GadgetWisdomGuru... less power means smaller fans means less CPU and certainly less disks... :(

[20:37:10]

RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: In the 0.23 release of MiroBridge you can import a OPML file that was exported from a separate Miro installation.

[20:37:30]

Chicago:

I want the whole world to suffer like I do with ambient noise of computer fans unavoidable

[20:37:35]

Chicago:

j/k lol

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Chicago, I use 120mm fans. They soothe me to sleep at night.

[20:37:56]

Chicago:

me too hehe

[20:37:59]

Chicago:

white noise

[20:38:31]

Chicago:

the alarm clock with the summer sounds and crickets is better... if they would put a sound chip into the 120mm fan that makes it sound like the wild outdoors... i'd be tempted to buy one

[20:38:34]

Beirdo:

120mm fans are nearly silent in my experience

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RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: The import step is from the command line. You do not need to start the Miro GUI

[20:38:52]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, I also have date issues. I was hoping there would be an option to set the recording date to when the feed item was released instead of when it was downloaded.

[20:39:12]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, the word is nearly.

[20:39:22]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Four of them make a nice soft noise

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Beirdo:

heh

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

The system has three 120mm fans, one 140mm fan, and the CPU fan is 92mm

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RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: What is the issue. I understand what you said but not why it is an issue.

[20:39:51]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

And I never installed a side fan.

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Beirdo:

I used to have about 8 of them running... the loudest noise was the hard drives ticking as they seeked... and they are quiet drives

[20:41:01]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, preference, I suppose.

[20:42:02]

RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: hmm, You are the first person to make that request.

[20:43:28]

RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: If I remember correctly there were issues with publication date/time. I cannot really remember now.

[20:43:46]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sometimes it isn't set properly.

[20:44:18]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Then, every so often I get random ancient feed items for no apparent reason.

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RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: The "random ancient feed items: is a Miro/source site issue. I noticed this long before when I used the Miro GUI. I have gotten floods especially with the TedTalk channel.

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RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: The only way I found to stop a flood of old videos is to remove the Miro Channel in the GUI and then re-add it. Mirobridge only reflects what Miro has in its own database. It actually runs Miro as if it was the GUI.

[20:49:33]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, I know. But, as I said, I'm hoping MythNetVision is my go-to solution once it is out of beta. MiroBridge is fine for now.

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RDV_Linux:

GadgetWisdomGuru: cool it is all about choice and I fully support choice;)

[20:50:59]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes, I agree. That is the pro of open-source.

[20:58:59]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll give anything a try once if it looks like I might enjoy it.

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Brad-D:

oooh mythnetvision looks cool

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Brad-D:

i didn't realize it supported mtv.com

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Brad-D:

sweet!

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RDV_Linux:

Brad-D: There is a lot of development going on in the background that will significantly increase the number of sources and add new features, Targeted at 0.24.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

RDV_Linux, it is necessary. More and more stuff will be coming available online. And the ability to unify that in the same interface/controls as the recorded content is essential.

[21:09:26]

darkdrgn2k:

hi, is it just me or does fast forwarding on MVKs really suck in myth right now?

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tintin32:

GadgetWisdomGuru: you have a cm-15a by any chance?

[21:31:46]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

No, a CM11A with a serial interface.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Why?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Does the CM15A work more easily under Linux?

[21:32:20]

tintin32:

I've got a buddy who is trying to set one up is all

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tintin32:

GadgetWisdomGuru: haha, dunno, was going to ask you :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Oh. Well, hopefully it will work out.

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tintin32:

Beirdo: ping

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Tintin32, I tried a lot of X10 stuff. Now Smarthome has moved to Insteon, and the pricing isn't something I'm willing to invest in.

[21:35:33]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

It isn't practical for the dabbler anymore

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tintin32:

hmm??

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tintin32:

I'm not sure I understand

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tintin32:

what's the relationship betw. smarthome & X10?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Tintin32, the X10 Home Automation protocol is what the CM11 and the CM15 use.

[21:37:40]

tintin32:

right, I got that

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Smarthome released a line of high quality X10 stuff.

[21:38:08]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

then they superseded it by creating Insteon, a radio based home automation standard which is backward compatible.

[21:38:14]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But this is a bit off topic, I think.

[21:38:32]

tintin32:

sure, so msg me

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Beirdo:

tintin32: I'm here

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Beirdo:

not always completely awake though

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Brad-D:

RDV_Linux: Sounds cool. Very exciting!

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tintin32:

Beirdo: pls look at pm

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Beirdo:

sorry, I'm falling asleep too often to be of much use right now

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tintin32:

Beirdo, np. but pleae look at pm when you wake up :)

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fukdnscerd:

anyone have any idea why i would only have the option for widescreen themes. I do have all themes in the ubuntu repo for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: primarily because no one has yet written any full screen themes for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

there is MythCenter, but thats little more than some color and the basic default configs

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fukdnscerd:

hmm... i thought in previous versions there were full screen themes. or were those just scaled to fullscreen

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wagnerrp:

the previous version did have a number of full screen themes

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fukdnscerd:

but they don't work with the new version i take it, i understand... advancement always comes at some cost

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wagnerrp:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

basically... all those people willing to spend the tens to hundreds of hours needed needed to learn the engine and write a full theme

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wagnerrp:

are also willing to spend the money to buy a new tv

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fukdnscerd:

thats cool, im getting a wide screen here real soon... not a new one, but hey its better than what i got

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benw:

does myth work with Time Warner Cable?

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Tanthrix:

benw: Myth doesn't care what your video source is. As long as you've got unencrypted channels or a cable box to use with firewire or an irblaster.

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Tanthrix:

benw: Generally, you can't just plug your cable straight into the system to tune directly due to encryption, but you can make myth work with any cable / satellite box in existence with an irblaster.

[22:42:52]

benw:

Yeah that question was ignorant to say the least... Any recommendations on a decent tuner card?

[22:43:25]

Tanthrix:

benw: HD or not?

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benw:

HD

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Tanthrix:

Assuming your cable is encrypted, then the only good way to go is the HD PVR.

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Tanthrix:

It records component input from your cable box, which is what tunes and decrypts the channels.

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benw:

I have a shuttle small form factor with an Nvidia 512mb card

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Tanthrix:

It's a USB box, so no PCI card or anything

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Tanthrix:

Downside is it's spendy, but the quality is excellent, and it's the only surefire way to actually get your HD content in HD with 100 percent reliability.

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benw:

Tanthrix I have an Sci Atlanta 8500HD from Time Warner but it's a piece of junk. Always freezing and can't hold very much.

[22:46:18]

Tanthrix:

benw: Yah, most cable DVRs are junk.

[22:46:28]

benw:

I'm sure Time Warner is encrypted.

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Tanthrix:

It's a very good bet. And if it ain't today, it might be tomorrow, rendering your hardware worthless.

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benw:

It's too bad really. I hate companies that hold you hostage with monthly fees and no way to buy hardware.

[22:48:31]

Tanthrix:

Indeed.

[22:50:46]

benw:

Well thanks for our assistance. I'm guess I'll wait until I cut my cable and give Myth try in the future.

[22:51:04]

Tanthrix:

HD-PVR out of your budget, I take it?

[22:51:10]

fukdnscerd:

if i switch to svn mythtv will i lose anything that is in mythbuntu, aside from the mythbuntu setup screen

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fukdnscerd:

ie.. plugins

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benw:

Tanthrix I have an HD PVR through Time Warner and pay a monthly fee for it. They told me that I cannot use third-party hardware for their service so I wanted to search for an alternative. MythTV would be great but Time Warner are _____ <--- fill in the blank with a nasty phrase.

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Tanthrix:

benw: I should have been a bit more clear – the HD-PVR is an actual device from Haupuage. http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

[22:54:18]

benw:

looking...

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Tanthrix:

benw: Basically, what you'd do, is dump your current PVR for a simple HD tuner from your cable company. Then you plug the component output of that tuner into that HD PVR device. That dumps an HD video stream into myth.

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Tanthrix:

benw: Then myth changes channels using an irblaster, which basically emulates a remote. Or firewire if your tuner box supports it. The end result is access to all of your channels, guranteed.

[22:55:37]

benw:

Ah ha, very cool Tanthrix.

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Tanthrix:

benw: I've actually got an high def dvr from comcast, as part of some deal. I've got my HD-PVR hooked to it, and myth changes channels via firewire.

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Tanthrix:

benw: So you could use that device with your current dvr from time warner, but usually it's cheaper to dump that and just get a basic tuner.

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benw:

What remote do you use?

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Tanthrix:

benw: Microsoft MCE remote. About $25 on ebay for the remote and USB reciever that includes two irblasters.

[22:57:33]

benw:

I have a Logitech Harmony One

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benw:

Oh Ir Blaster is a signal catcher... I see

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Tanthrix:

It's a transmitter actually. It sends an IR signal to the cable box to change channels, just as if you had pressed buttons on your remote.

[22:58:29]

benw:

I could save almost $10 a month for my HD DVR rental

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Tanthrix:

That's how myth changes channels in your absense with external cable boxes. That or firewire, which some boxes support.

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benw:

oh so when I setup recordings on Myth IRBlaster changes the channels

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Tanthrix:

benw: It depends. Sometimes they charge extra for an HD tuner. IE, for comcast here it's $15 a month for an HD pvr, or $6 a month for just HD tuner

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Tanthrix:

benw: Yes. IE, if you start recording on channel 7 at 5pm, it will transmit "0-0–7" via the IR transmitter at that time to change your box to the right channel, then begin recording via the HD-PVR or whatever other tuner you use.

[23:01:53]

benw:

Whatever the case I'm sick of spending money simply because their business model forces their product on me.

[23:02:40]

benw:

Tanthrix you have helped me greatly. Thanks for everything.

[23:02:56]

Tanthrix:

benw: No prob. Good luck with whatever you do.

[23:03:16]

benw:

But wait... Does IRBlaster get called via Cron jobs?

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cesman:

no

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benw:

Or the like some Myth Daemon

[23:03:47]

cesman:

you create a channel changing script

[23:04:04]

cesman:

when you configure the tuner in mythtv, you tell it to use the script

[23:04:05]

Tanthrix:

LIRC is what does the work, you just tell myth how to talk to that.

[23:04:46]

benw:

I'm going to run Myth in a Vbox and check it out.

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benw:

Tanthrix I found a script for Time Warner's HD box. http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/scientifi . . . orer_8300_HD

[23:07:21]

benw:

very cool

[23:07:58]

benw:

Again... Thanks... When I get my Myth up an running and come back and report my trials and tribulations :)

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Tanthrix:

No prob – good luck!

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Well, it's official, now... If you don't accept an EULA, you can steal stuff. Now that our "soon-to-be" lawyer said it 10 times on the list, it must be true.

[23:15:44]

sphery:

1–2 mentions, it's random typing of monkeys on keyboards; 3–6 mentions, it's a rumor; 7–9 mentions, it's what "they say," and 10+ mentions, it's the hard facts

[23:16:22]

sphery:

pretty sure that's the commonly accepted scale for proving facts

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wagnerrp:

oh, and you should use that guide data on a horribly underpowered frontend, on wireless

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sphery:

didn't see that thread... which one?

[23:18:58]

sphery:

oh, in general... nvm--I'm slow today

[23:19:08]

wagnerrp:

oh, and it should be run in a VM while youre at it

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benw:

can mythtv run without a desktop? Is it pretty much web driven?

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wagnerrp:

benw: generally, people dont run mythtv on a desktop

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sphery:

benw: the web stuff is good for scheduling recordings, but you'll want a real X GUI to allow useful playback of recordings

[23:20:01]

wagnerrp:

certainly the the backend anyway

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sphery:

but not a desktop environment (GNOME, KDE)... Just use the X Window System with a Window Manager, like RatPoison or Fluxbox

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tank-man:

most people use windows as a desktop

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wagnerrp:

the backend is the only required piece of mythtv, and can be run on any x86 linux machine

[23:20:51]

benw:

Any particular X that works well with Myth or is that all preference?

[23:20:52]

sphery:

and don't use MS Windows :)

[23:21:04]

wagnerrp:

X is X, what do you mean?

[23:21:10]

sphery:

X.org or XFree86 should both work

[23:21:16]

wagnerrp:

Xfree or Xorg, take your pick

[23:21:20]

sphery:

but I think you're trying to ask something else

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benw:

no winblows ... I only use winblows for games :)

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sphery:

heh, same here

[23:21:45]

benw:

I meant flux, gnome, kde, etc

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wagnerrp:

the backend doesnt use X

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sphery:

games and filling out my 1040 using the IRS-provided PDF form which requires Adobe patented PDF forms support

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wagnerrp:

and the frontend prefers something simple

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benw:

sphery heh...

[23:22:33]

wagnerrp:

flux, e16, xfce, evilwm, ratpoison, .... the list goes on

[23:22:50]

sphery:

benw: Fluxbox is a great choice, taking something like 1MiB incremental memory (above what you'd use without it) or RatPoison, taking about 300kiB incremental memory

[23:22:58]

wagnerrp:

if youre not using this as a desktop, and youre consuming more than a couple MB of memory on your WM, youre doing it wrong

[23:23:33]

sphery:

Mythbuntu uses XFCE, which is more of a DE (GNOME, KDE) than a WM (Fluxbox, RatPoison), but it's /much/ lighter than GNOME and KDE

[23:23:59]

sphery:

it's a nice happy middle ground for those who want to use the Myth box for Myth and, occasionally, use it as a desktop

[23:24:26]

sphery:

simple is definitely good

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sphery:

I use Flux, but only because I use that everywhere else (my choice for my desktop machines), so it was easy

[23:24:56]

benw:

Deb supports Rat Poison... Debian is my distro of choice..

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sphery:

if I were one of those craz^H^H^H^Hpeople who think that 1MiB of RAM is wasted on a WM, I'd use RatPoison

[23:26:18]

sphery:

but if you normally use something like GNOME or KDE, using RatPoison is a great choice

[23:26:21]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well when you're trying to run mythtv on an xbox, every little bit count

[23:26:31]

sphery:

(if you don't already have experience with Flux, that is)

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benw:

I don't think memory will be an issue for me.. my box has 2gig and if all I'm running is Myth and a small win manager I should be alright.

[23:26:40]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, true

[23:26:53]

sphery:

yeah, 2GB is good

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benw:

not like I'm going to install on netbook heh

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sphery:

heh, that's good

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sphery:

we've had plenty who think that's a good plan, too :)

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benw:

or an Andriod phone ;)

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sphery:

RatPoison is also nice in that its default config is good for Myth

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darkdrgn2k:

hey all, any one know what coudl cause PVR150 to have a bit of colour bleed?

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Beirdo:

ratpoison++

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Beirdo:

it's good for killing rats, too

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benw:

and getting rid of a nemesis :)

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

so any one have an idea about colour bleed LOL

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benw:

Just read that Clash of the Titans is being remade. That is funny man. I remember seeing the original at a Drive-in theater. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800320/

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