Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 4th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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wagnerrp:

inform them that all this crap has nothing to do with piracy, and everything to do with controlling the consumer

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wagnerrp:

theyll get pissed off that theyre losing absolute control to the corporation

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Loto:

meh tbh i dont use myth anymore not that i dont like it

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innatech:

I looked at some lirc listserv archives...they seemed to think someone who knows hardware could write a driver for the common usb/serial chipsets easily..but as of Jun 09 hadn't been done yet.

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Loto:

i just dont buy cable

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Beirdo:

everything about the almighty dollar, and thei ain't getting the pork...

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wagnerrp:

even more reason to use myth

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wagnerrp:

there is no limitation with broadcast tv

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Loto:

indeed, i only get 4 stations here tho

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Loto:

hd digital anyways

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wagnerrp:

ah, well thats a problem

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Beirdo:

innatech: hmmm... I might get convinced later :) too many things to do now

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Loto:

:)

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wagnerrp:

bigger antenna?

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** Loto is in canada **

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Loto:

nah

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Loto:

too far north to get us stations

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Beirdo:

ohhh, in the sticks.

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wagnerrp:

bigger antenna on a pole?

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Beirdo:

even better

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Loto:

not *that* bad ;)

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Beirdo:

how far north?

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Loto:

but seattles stations are behind the mountains

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wagnerrp:

a _big_ pole

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innatech:

Berido: something to think about. It would certainly simplify handling multiple identical boxes, which a lot of sat and cable customers get stuck with.

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Loto:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q . . . t=h&z=12

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Loto:

is where im at

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Loto:

haha

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Beirdo:

innatech: yeah, rolling my own wouldn't be too hard

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Beirdo:

oooh... Nanaimo.

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Beirdo:

your town lends its name to a tasty treat too :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Loto:

haha yup!

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Beirdo:

I'll visit there sometime, but not yet.

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Beirdo:

hoping to move to Seattle sometime soon

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Loto:

its alright if you like outdoor stuff

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Loto:

we dont have much nightlife or anything

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Beirdo:

camping++

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Loto:

yeah lots of camping round these parts

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wagnerrp:

im surprised you cant pick up stuff from Vancouver

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Loto:

im going on a fishing durby this weekend

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Loto:

out on the west coast

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Beirdo:

nightlife = trip to liquor store and sitting around the campfire with Cuban cigars

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Loto:

wagnerrp : i do... i think you overestimate the # of stations in vancouver

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Loto:

CTV, CBC, GLOBAL

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Beirdo:

and doubful Victoria has many either

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Loto:

vic has none yet

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Beirdo:

sucky

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Loto:

CHEK isnt broadcasting digital yet

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Loto:

i can get KVOS from bellingham

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Beirdo:

and you can't see Bellingham or anything, I bet

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

heh

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Loto:

but everything else is behind the mountains

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Beirdo:

maybe a better antenna can pull more from Bellingham

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Loto:

with alot of tweaking and and amp ppl in victoria can pull seattle stations

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Loto:

thats the only station in bellingham

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Beirdo:

it's a shame you can't hit Seattle though

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Loto:

everything else is down around the mountains

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Beirdo:

move to Victoria :)

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Loto:

wich fucks us up

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Loto:

haha

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Loto:

work is here

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Loto:

no moving for me

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wagnerrp:

looks like youve still got a year and a half for the transition

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Beirdo:

bah. work...

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Beirdo:

be a bum and move to Victoria :)

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Loto:

its my buisiness haha

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Loto:

well im invested in it anyways

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Beirdo:

Nanaimo's been on my "parts of Canada to visit list" since I was a kid

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Beirdo:

as is St. John's

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Beirdo:

other end of the vast country :)

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Loto:

i havnt been out east yet

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Loto:

where are you from ?

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Beirdo:

Muskoka area originally. 2h north of Toronto

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Beirdo:

Parry Sound

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Loto:

ah

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** Loto hasnt even been to ontario **

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Loto:

i think ill vow to visit the rest of canada before ontario

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Loto:

lol

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

leave Quebec for last

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Loto:

oh i thought they seperated :P

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Beirdo:

they wish

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Beirdo:

or half of them do

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Loto:

apparently

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Beirdo:

the old, retarded half, I think

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** Loto bites his toung about the french-canadians ;) **

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Beirdo:

good plan

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Beirdo:

I'm half French-Canadian :)

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Loto:

haha

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's the Quebecois that annoy me

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Beirdo:

there is a difference :)

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Beirdo:

they don't think so, but there is

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Loto:

im so far away i really dont engage in the details of it

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Beirdo:

my ancestors on my mom's side were French, and lived in Saint Boniface, MB

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Beirdo:

just outside of Winterpeg

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** wagnerrp only like French-Canadians that moved to Louisiana **

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Beirdo:

one of em was chief justice in Manitoba when Louis Riel rebelled

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Beirdo:

and was a friend of Riel

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Beirdo:

how's that for Canadian history in the family :)

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Loto:

haha wild

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Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dubuc

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Beirdo:

heh, nice

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Beirdo:

that's 4 generations up (I think) on my mom's side

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Beirdo:

dang, he almost looks like my grandpa... with hair

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Loto:

my familys been here about 4gens

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Loto:

1846 or something

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Loto:

grandfather opened a flour and feed store

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

10 on my mom's side... 4 or so on my dad's (English) side

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Loto:

selling to all the coal miners

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Loto:

thats where nanaimo bars came from

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Loto:

they were made to give the miners energy

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Loto:

with all the sugar in thoes damn things

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Loto:

haha

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Beirdo:

and to be yummy

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Beirdo:

a pleasant side effect

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Loto:

can you find them in the US?

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Beirdo:

haven't looked

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Beirdo:

I'm currently in Puerto Rico

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Beirdo:

so... not too likely here

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Loto:

bastard

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Loto:

haha

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Beirdo:

now now

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I wanna move to Seattle though

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Loto:

as long as you like the rain

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Beirdo:

bah, it rains here just as much

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Loto:

it does rain alot here

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tehpola:

has anyone had success with serving music over UPnP with MythTV? I've tried setting something up, and it'll find all the local songs on the front end, and it'll try to serve those over UPnP, but it doesn't work because they're not local

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wagnerrp:

the upnp server only works with local music and videos

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Beirdo:

nearly every day in fact

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wagnerrp:

it can only stream files it has direct access to

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tehpola:

so I think I'm approaching this the wrong way: I want to have songs on my backend served to UPnP clients

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tehpola:

but I've served recorded video over UPnP

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wagnerrp:

recorded video is different, since it can pull from any backend over mythproto

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tehpola:

is there any chance of music being served that way in the near future?

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wagnerrp:

define 'near'

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Loto:

but its warm Beirdo

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Loto:

haha

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Loto:

its much cooler here

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tehpola:

near as in next version or two, I guess

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wagnerrp:

this is a dedicated backend, and the music is stored on a separate frontend?

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tehpola:

I know the UPnP is pretty recent

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tehpola:

no, the music is on the backend

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Beirdo:

Loto: I know. I'll deal :)

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wagnerrp:

then there shouldnt be any problem

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wagnerrp:

just set up mythmusic on the backend

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wagnerrp:

and give it the proper path to the music

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wagnerrp:

the for better or worse, the upnp server does not use the music and video tables in the database

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wagnerrp:

it just finds the directories that content is stored in, on that local machine

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wagnerrp:

and serves its own list

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wagnerrp:

it updates that list every half hour, or if you send the proper call to force a refresh

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that seems odd

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tehpola:

ok, so I have a backend with the songs, and a PS3 I want to play the music on via UPnP, so that will work if I set up mythmusic on the backend?

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Beirdo:

more cruft from a while back?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: more, it was a very simple implementation

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wagnerrp:

and previously it didnt matter, since none of that content was streamable anyway

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

any frontend that wanted to use it had to have it locally mounted anyway

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

so its technically still not an issue with mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

but streaming of mythvideo content is broken

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Beirdo:

b0rked

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tehpola:

wagnerrp: thanks, it does work now… I don't know why I was having issues with it on my N900, but its working on the PS3 (although a little slow loading)

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Beirdo:

dang, there are a lot of ~quassel users

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tehpola:

maybe it was that scanning delay

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt take more than a couple seconds to scan

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wagnerrp:

its just building a list of file names

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wagnerrp:

it does no tag parsing

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tehpola:

well, its running on a beagleboard (my backend), so I wouldn't be surprised if it took a little while longer

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wagnerrp:

why?

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tehpola:

its just not a very powerful system

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wagnerrp:

anyway, a directory listing should be more disk intensive than CPU

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Beirdo:

unless you have an excessive number of files in a single directory

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Beirdo:

ext2/3 is HORRIBLE with > 50k or so files in a directory

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tehpola:

no, they're organized

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Beirdo:

then it should be fine :)

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tehpola:

it was probably just my mistake then, its working now anyways, so I don't really care anymore until it stops :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Pulse-R:

think I found the problrm -

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Beirdo:

good

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Pulse-R:

If i started the compile with gcc 4.0.0 and then changed to 4.0.1 halfway through, the __VEC__ and __ALTIVEC__ tags may be undefined... ?

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Pulse-R:

or incorrect

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Beirdo:

no clue

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Beirdo:

make clean

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Beirdo:

and start compiling again

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Pulse-R:

in altivec.c include, that's the first thing it checks, and that's the point where gcc starts giving errors

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Beirdo:

mixing crap ain't a good plan

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Pulse-R:

yeh... time to flush

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Beirdo:

doood

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

01:16 < HavokBuild> Hey! build linux-32bit #5 is complete: Success [build successful]

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

there was great rejoicing

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jst_:

Anyone here using Comcast or FiOS? I know they have some, uhm, idiosyncrasies. I'm just curious as to what your solutions are... HD-PVR, Firewire capture, etc.

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kormoc:

Fios, hdpvr capture, firewire channel change

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Beirdo:

welp.. bed

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kormoc:

night!

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Tanthrix:

jst_: Same as kormoc, except I'm on comcast.

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jst_:

Okay... Do you guys capture ClearQAM at all?

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wagnerrp:

sure, the cableco is REQUIRED to provide the 'must carry' stations in the clear

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Tanthrix:

jst: I have a A180 card to get the local stations, but everything else is encrypted so I use the HD-PVR on that.

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jst_:

Okay... I think I'll set up my HVR-1800 and -1600 to receive ClearQAM as recording devices #1 and #2 and then use an HD-PVR box for everything else.

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jst_:

Do things get hairy if you try to use two HD-PVRs?

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wagnerrp:

why would it?

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wagnerrp:

the only problem is distinguishing one from the other on boot

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wagnerrp:

since they can get re-ordered

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jst_:

Does using firewire to change channels work reliably? Better than IR blasting, I'm assuming?

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wagnerrp:

generally, yes

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jst_:

Thanks for all your help, by the way. :)

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jst_:

Is the quality good on the HD-PVR?

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kormoc:

excellent

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jst_:

I really wish I could use a CableCard, but that's still out of the question, right?

[02:07:33]

wagnerrp:

and (almost certainly) always will be

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jst_:

I heard that FiOS had to remove some of the 5C restrictions on channels... any truth to that? I can't find any sources confirming it.

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jst_:

That would allow STB -> 1394 -> MythBox

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kormoc:

I never received that many channels via firewire

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jst_:

Hmm, what about this... http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_1738741

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wagnerrp:

thats your QAM lineup

[02:11:58]

wagnerrp:

nothing to do with firewire

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jst_:

I know... but aren't those channels are ClearQAM?

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wagnerrp:

yes, thats your QAM lineup

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jst_:

Strange to see ESPN, TNT, etc. on that list, no?

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wagnerrp:

what is provided over QAM has no bearing over what is provided over firewire

[02:13:10]

wagnerrp:

not at all

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wagnerrp:

those are all SD channels

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jst_:

I realize that... I'm thinking maybe I could forego the STB altogether if I get that many channels on QAM, ya know?

[02:13:21]

jst_:

Yeah...

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wagnerrp:

meaning those are the clear channels pumped to the DTAs that comcast is using to drop analog cable

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jst_:

This would be a no-brainer if the HD-PVR weren't $200.

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wagnerrp:

and will disappear as soon as comcast in your area turns on privacy mode

[02:14:25]

wagnerrp:

which they are doing with a vengeance ever since they got their FCC waiver to use it

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jst_:

Screw Comcast... I don't need the 250 GB quota, and I don't need DTA nonsense from a cable company. I'll pay extra and go with FiOS.

[02:15:47]

wagnerrp:

what do you do that you hit the 250GB quota?

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wagnerrp:

i guess its a lot easier to manage with that much upload

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wagnerrp:

i would probably use a lot more if i werent limited to 768kb up

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jst_:

I'm not sure what my usage is... might be considerably less than 250 GB... but, for example, I had to download Battlefield: Bad Company 2 twice the other day... that's like 10 GB right there.

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wagnerrp:

i mean there are no streaming video services with meaningful bitrates

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wagnerrp:

the best ive heard of are only a couple mbps

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wagnerrp:

downloadable games are just now eeking over one full DVD

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wagnerrp:

ive i had more bandwidth, i would be streaming FLAC at 0.6–1.0mbps all the time

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wagnerrp:

and depending on how much, mythtv recordings at ~15mbps

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wagnerrp:

that might bring my consumption up quite a bit

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wagnerrp:

as much as i dislike caps, i dont know if i could justify 205GB of consumption

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wagnerrp:

now the TW caps of a couple GB are just ridiculous

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: do you report the mythtv version anywhere in mythweb?

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jst_:

Wait, TWC has caps?

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jst_:

I'm on TWC and had no idea.

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wagnerrp:

its a trial in some areas

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wagnerrp:

anywhere from 5GB to 40GB depending on your level of service

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: only on error screens afaik

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wagnerrp:

was just wondering about this.... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . again-3.html

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Gumby:

hi all. mythweb is giving me this error when I try and search the EPG for a show "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/classes/Program.php on line 295" I assume this means I need to increase the memory limit but I am unsure where/what. Can anyone help?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: yeah, I donno where he's seeing that

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: a grep for '0.23' turns up nothing

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kormoc:

Gumby: it's in your php.ini file, and after you change it, you'll need to restart apache

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wagnerrp:

in any of the php or pl files

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: yeah... I really donno

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Gumby:

kormoc: thanks. do you have any suggestion what a good # to set it to would be?

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wagnerrp:

if 64MB is insufficient, try 96 or 128

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wagnerrp:

just how many recordings do you have that its overflowing?

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kormoc:

he's searching

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kormoc:

so it could just be a ton of shows matching

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kormoc:

or just that many line ups/sources

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kormoc:

Gumby: I'd just double until it works

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: it was set to only 16MB

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Gumby:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

then i guess mythweb is resetting the limit internally

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kormoc:

we're not

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kormoc:

although, we likely should

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wagnerrp:

well then that makes no sense

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wagnerrp:

its set to 64MB somewhere

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kormoc:

Gumby: your error message shows 64 megs

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Gumby:

hrm

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kormoc:

Gumby: there might be more then one limit in the php.ini file

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Gumby:

I'll look again.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: we'll over ride the run time limitor, but we don't touch memory (yet)

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Gumby:

memory_limit = 32M ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume (16MB)

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kormoc:

weird...

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Gumby:

I did a search for 64 and found nothing relevant

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Gumby:

I think I have come across this before...

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Gumby:

php_value memory_limit 64M in mythweb.conf

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kormoc:

there you go

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wagnerrp:

so it is set by mythweb

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wagnerrp:

(sorta)

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kormoc:

well, it's just a example apache conf file, not really mythweb percey

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wagnerrp:

close enough

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wagnerrp:

unless the user decides to go off and configure apache on their own, it should be set up properly

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wagnerrp:

and if they do go off and configure apache on their own, its their own fault when things break

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kormoc:

Yeah... I don't use it personally, so... :P

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wagnerrp:

well if anything broke in mythweb, it would be your fault anyway

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Gumby:

lol

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kormoc:

true enough

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jst_:

I accidentally marked something as "never record," and it's not showing up under Recording Rules... Is there any way to remove "never record" rules?

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wagnerrp:

remove the recording rule

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wagnerrp:

hmm... it should show up in the rules

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wagnerrp:

it may have already been removed, if the time on the override is passed

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jst_:

wagnerrp, no, the recording was a few days out.

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jst_:

This is strange... I have seen "N" recordings rules before.

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wagnerrp:

then check upcoming recordings

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wagnerrp:

the override should show up

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jst_:

Ahh, that's what it was... was showing important and not all. :)

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jst_:

Thanks.

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justinh:

lol.. threads with a single post which say 'thanks for the comments'. Er what comments? ;-)

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Pulse-R:

hi all

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Pulse-R:

still having compile problems with yuv2rgb – flags not set correctly for altivec.h

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justinh:

can you be less vague?

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sid3windr:

or more vague!

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justinh:

i.e. if you have problems compiling something put the compile log in a pastebin & mention the pastebin link here :)

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Pulse-R:

oh, sorry

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Pulse-R:

I'm compiling using the script on a mac mini G4. Whent he compile gets up to yuv2rgb, it calls an include to altivec.h

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justinh:

it's kind of impossible to help anybody who doesn't provide any info ;)

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Pulse-R:

022-fixes 23660

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justinh:

the script?

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Pulse-R:

the script is the osx-packager.pl

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Pulse-R:

from svn

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justinh:

and still no mention of the 'error'

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Pulse-R:

the first part of altivec.h include checks the cpu flag is set to __ALTIVEC__ and not __VEC__ – this is where it falls over, and says to use -maltivec instead of -altivec.

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Pulse-R:

all the src for that part of the program (part of ffmpeg) seems to have the correct flag -maltivec

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Pulse-R:

see http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1822179

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Pulse-R:

libswscale has the correct flag -maltivec at line 63

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justinh:

looks like this has been a long time problem with that script

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Pulse-R:

and mythtv/configure also has it correctly at line 3207

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Pulse-R:

is there supposed to be a discrete variable set for __ALTIVEC__ somewhere?

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Pulse-R:

I'm compiling on Mac OS X 10.4.11

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justinh:

I'd be tempted to try & build without swscale enabled

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justinh:

or just use precompiled binaries if you can find them

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Pulse-R:

maybe giving up is the best way.

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Pulse-R:

I'll just use the buggy old 021 realease then...

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Pulse-R:

bye

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justinh:

nobody's done 0.22 builds for OSX? pleh

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justinh:

blimmin eck. Yet another NMT with inbuilt torrent client :-\

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fr3ak:

Hi all, does anybody have any tips on setting up the BGT3510 from blackgold.tv ? I'm at the capture card setup section and don't know what option to select

[08:28:40]

justinh:

it's probably a DVB tuner. is it?

[08:28:54]

justinh:

i.e. a digital TV tuner ?

[08:29:39]

fr3ak:

yep dual DVB-T

[08:29:56]

fr3ak:

plus dual analogue and dual SVHS

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justinh:

hmm not many dual dvb-t tuners are supported in linux

[08:30:19]

fr3ak:

It sasy on their weebsite that it is supported

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fr3ak:

in linux

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fr3ak:

they just don't have any forums or anything that i can see

[08:30:45]

justinh:

yeah but in proper linux kernels or by using their own junk driver?

[08:30:55]

justinh:

PCIe or just PCI?

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fr3ak:

PCIe

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justinh:

probably not then

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fr3ak:

yeah i don't know about the driver, can't find anything but a Windoze driver

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justinh:

the linuxtv wiki says the BGT3540 isn't supported

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fr3ak:

i think tahts a satellite card

[08:32:49]

fr3ak:

Operating System Support

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fr3ak:

Designed to operate with:

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fr3ak:

32 and 64 bit Vista Ultimate/Premium/Basic/Business/Enterprise

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fr3ak:

32 and 64 bit Windows XP Home/Pro/Media Centre Edition

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fr3ak:

OEM Option* 32\64 bit Linux

[08:33:18]

fr3ak:

yeah it could be there are no drivers

[08:33:46]

fr3ak:

damnit, shoulda thought of that before, guess i can use my HVR1300 instad that probably works

[08:34:13]

justinh:

heh from a quick google search it seems people even have trouble making that card work in windows

[08:34:50]

fr3ak:

nah works perfectly in W7

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justinh:

your only hope would be to download & compile module code from linuxtv.org's Hg repository

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justinh:

that's assuming there's even preliminary support there

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fr3ak:

ok i guess i need to find out what chips are on it then

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justinh:

unless you're willing to set out helping to get support in the kernel for it

[08:35:49]

justinh:

ow, it's an expensive card too

[08:36:05]

fr3ak:

reasonable yeah

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fr3ak:

i wanted the option of having 1 DVB-T and 1 Analogue at the same time

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fr3ak:

couldn't see any others that did that

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justinh:

I heard the problem with PCIe devices it's often not the tuner chipset they have issues with.. it's more often the bridge devices used on the cards IIRC

[08:36:55]

fr3ak:

ahah ok

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fr3ak:

its pretty nice, it does on board encoding as well

[08:37:44]

fr3ak:

though i just found out it only does 576P via the component in

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fr3ak:

probably because the component in is actually an adaptor cable via S-Video

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fr3ak:

was hoping to cap Sky-HD

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justinh:

nah they're disabling the component output on their STBs

[08:39:04]

justinh:

if you mean the Murdoch owned Sky

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fr3ak:

Yeah but if you still have a box that has it it works

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fr3ak:

i have friends with HD-PVRs and they cap no problem

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justinh:

that'd be the way to go

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justinh:

for me HD just isn't worth the headache or expense

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fr3ak:

fuinny thing is those boxes with component out even a few years old are getting more expensive than newer boxes :)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

you can buy HDMI to component converters though

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fr3ak:

... how would that work?

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justinh:

they're only a ocuple of hundred dollars or so.. maybe less

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fr3ak:

the encryption algorithm can be changed

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justinh:

they convert HDMI to component video allowing you to grab HDMI outputs

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justinh:

and HDCP magically doesn't figure in the equation ;-)

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justinh:

whether that will remain the case... remains to be seen ;)

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fr3ak:

if you say so :)

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justinh:

they basically work around HDCP by claiming to be a device they're not

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fr3ak:

what i've heard is those boxes have hard-coded decryption algorithms and as soon as it gets changed they will be shit out of luck

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justinh:

the firmware can be changed AFAIK

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fr3ak:

but yeah that'd be nice

[08:42:50]

justinh:

and watch your language please

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AndyCap:

capturing decompressed video and reencoding it is sub-optimal though.

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justinh:

isn't it always?

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justinh:

without really nasty, verging on illegal hackery it's the only way to get Sky HD into a non-Sky DVR

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justinh:

gotta love Sky for being so closed :D

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AndyCap:

ah, yes, no cam, no joy

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justinh:

which is why I'd rather burn down my house than get Sky

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AndyCap:

stupid NDS

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justinh:

hey it's a great racket

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justinh:

don't you wish you'd thought of it though? ;-)

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AndyCap:

and they've stated they're not interested in CI+ either, not that CI+ would help mythtv.

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fr3ak:

ok anyway i guess im outta luck with mythtv, will have to persevere with W7

[08:45:43]

fr3ak:

have a nice day people

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AndyCap:

justinh: nah, I prefer to be liked

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justinh:

I'd rather be rich

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justinh:

oh florian. Here's a clue

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Beirdo:

vlues are cheap

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Beirdo:

clues rather

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Beirdo:

apparently typos are too

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oobe:

Front Desk and Customer Service appears to be the only vacancy

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oobe:

lol wrong window

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'd hate both of those positions

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mgolisch:

any recommendations for good working dvb-c cards?

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mgolisch:

preferably with a working CI

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justinh:

see the wiki at linuxtv.org. as always

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justinh:

but you likely have more chance of bumping into people who can make personal recommendations at #mythtv-de

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** Beirdo makes more rude gestures towards cygwin **

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oobe:

Beirdo, you should run cygwin under linux using wine works heaps good

[11:50:18]

j-rod:

pardon, but wtf is the point of cygwin if you're already running linux?

[11:51:32]

Beirdo:

hehe

[11:52:17]

Beirdo:

this is for an automated build... to support lusers who can't figure out how to hit "run" in VMWare Player.

[11:52:37]

Beirdo:

but somehow want to code for something that's primarily linux

[11:52:48]

Beirdo:

figures, eh?

[11:53:15]

Beirdo:

and wine (software) sucks

[11:53:17]

j-rod:

just smack them

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Beirdo:

j-rod: trust me, I have tried :)

[11:53:43]

j-rod:

then quit and move to Seattle?

[11:53:46]

j-rod:

:D

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Beirdo:

with the new architecture I'm putting in place, cygwin won't work much longer anyways

[11:53:50]

Beirdo:

hehe

[11:53:57]

Beirdo:

this is open source fun ;)

[11:54:03]

Beirdo:

but yeah, that would be nice too

[11:54:35]

Beirdo:

the latest issue is that my /etc/passwd doesn't match Windows anymore (it seems), so the ACLs are all borked

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Beirdo:

if you +x in cygwin, can't delete in Windows.

[11:55:14]

Beirdo:

I THINK that's just a mappign issue, but I can't be sure until I get home

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j-rod:

funsies

[11:55:27]

Beirdo:

yeah

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j-rod:

sadly, I think I'm about to actually have to install windows again on my thinkpad

[11:55:41]

Beirdo:

awww

[11:56:24]

Beirdo:

once I have this all working, I have to document (shudder) what packages the lusers need to install to compile

[11:56:27]

j-rod:

move networks' player and rayv's player both non-existent under linux (I believe), and non-functional under mac os x (at least under 10.6 on my mbp)

[11:58:00]

Beirdo:

so another putz from work said to get a new owner for his fantasy baseball team...

[11:58:00]

j-rod:

if I'm lucky (I guess), they'll work on my mac mini running 10.5.x

[11:58:12]

j-rod:

DO NOT WANT :)

[11:58:15]

Beirdo:

idiot went and signed up for 4 other leagues and "forgot"...

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Beirdo:

even though I've pestered him via email and in person for weeks.. he "forgot"

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know. Yer a busy man :)

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Beirdo:

and you can't have Uggla. :)

[11:59:19]

Beirdo:

he's STILL on my team

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j-rod:

yes, but I used to party with the guy...

[11:59:49]

Beirdo:

hehe

[11:59:55]

j-rod:

and play ball with him, of course

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Beirdo:

of course.

[12:00:15]

Beirdo:

if he gets traded to Boston, you could go say hello to him :)

[12:00:30]

Beirdo:

doubt that will happen though, but who knows

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j-rod:

thought about trying to see if I could get some tix if the marlins were ever in boston for interleague

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Beirdo:

so now I have a league of at most 9 teams unless I find new owners

[12:01:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, that could be fun :)

[12:01:18]

j-rod:

but I don't give a damn about watching the sox

[12:01:29]

Beirdo:

shhh, don't say it too loud

[12:01:34]

Beirdo:

you might get lynched!

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j-rod:

also, fenway blows

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j-rod:

:D

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Beirdo:

oh man, Boston fans will kill you :)

[12:01:53]

j-rod:

run down pile of crap

[12:01:57]

Beirdo:

they are crazy people :)

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j-rod:

oh, I talk shit all the time in the office

[12:02:02]

j-rod:

its good fun

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Beirdo:

hehe

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j-rod:

esp. when the mariners come to town, and invariably, take at least 2/3 games

[12:02:29]

j-rod:

used to have a mariners jersey hung on the wall in our old office

[12:02:34]

Beirdo:

well, living in Toronto, I'd wear my Ottawa hockey jersey all over town

[12:02:41]

Beirdo:

:)

[12:03:10]

Beirdo:

Wonder if the Mariners have cheeep tickets for those days when you just have nothing you wanna do, and a game is on

[12:03:19]

Beirdo:

I doubt they ever fill the stadium

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j-rod:

wish jon lester could escape boston and go play for his hometown team...

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j-rod:

safeco used to sell out regularly when they were good

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j-rod:

but getting tickets has never been particularly difficult

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Beirdo:

good :)

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j-rod:

I think

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j-rod:

I had connections in seattle, so I hardly ever paid for a ticket

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Beirdo:

back when Ken Griffey Jr. was a young player? :)

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j-rod:

'95 – '02

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Beirdo:

glad he's back where he's appreciated though

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j-rod:

pretty good run back then, even post-griffey

[12:04:58]

Beirdo:

even if he is old and falling apart

[12:05:10]

Beirdo:

yeah

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j-rod:

yeah, its fantastic having him back in town, even if he's a shadow of his former self

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Beirdo:

he can retire from there, and go out a minor hero

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Beirdo:

instead of some old player who nobody wants

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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Beirdo:

tickets go on sale... March 13

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Beirdo:

run AWAY!

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Beirdo:

I'll still be in Seattle that day

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j-rod:

ha

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Beirdo:

flying back on the red-eye via LAX that night

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

well, SHOULD I move...

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Beirdo:

a weekend plan would be cool

[12:11:28]

Beirdo:

every Fri/Sat/Sun game... $520 for bleachers

[12:12:22]

Beirdo:

I think a 6-pack would be smarter though

[12:12:54]

Beirdo:

or just game-day :)

[12:13:16]

Beirdo:

$8 for center-field bleacher game-day NOT bad

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j-rod:

I hate outfield bleacher seats

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Beirdo:

yeah, me too, generally

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Beirdo:

but if yer bored...

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j-rod:

I'm a baseball snob. If they're not 100 level near home or one of the bases

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j-rod:

then bleah

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Beirdo:

hehe

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oobe:

was joking about cygwin under wine lol

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Beirdo:

$65 game-day for those

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oobe:

too ironic

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oobe:

http://fukung.net/v/14368/1222305543108ezo.jpg

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jamesd2:

the only thing worse than seeing $520 for baseball tickets is relizing that you will probably spend twice that for as well....

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j-rod:

which was nice, because my connections in seattle got me tickets usually ~10 rows back halfway down the first base line

[12:15:02]

j-rod:

for $0

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Beirdo:

niiiice

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Beirdo:

jamesd2: for the number of games, it's reasonable, but... ouch

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j-rod:

my father was the county executive's chief of staff at the time :)

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Beirdo:

that's a good connection

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jamesd2:

Beirdo, oh and i forgot to mention parkting at $20+ per game...

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jamesd2:

baseball is too damm expensive....

[12:16:18]

Beirdo:

parking!?

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kormoc:

language...

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j-rod:

used to occasionally get to go to (*tear*) Sonics games and sit in the luxury boxes

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Beirdo:

I don't need no stinking parking

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jamesd2:

free tickets still cost an average of $50 a person....

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j-rod:

never paid for parking

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kormoc:

only if you buy crap you don't have to

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Beirdo:

only if you want them to

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Beirdo:

I can get by on $20ish

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j-rod:

likewise

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Beirdo:

hint: eat before the game so you ain't starving

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Beirdo:

gotta have a hot dog, but you don't need to pay stadium prices for a whole meal

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j-rod:

street dogs ftw

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Beirdo:

sure, if you go to ONE game a year, who cares? :)

[12:19:10]

Beirdo:

oh, I miss street hot dogs

[12:19:22]

Beirdo:

living downtown Toronto. Mmmmm.

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j-rod:

plenty of good stuff outside the stadium for way cheaper

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

if you really want the hot dog and a couple beer, you don't need $50

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Beirdo:

yet

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bjd:

I miss downtown van :(

[12:20:27]

Beirdo:

bjd: moved away, or just co-opted by the Olympics? :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo: we have street dogs with cream cheese!

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bjd:

Beirdo: just used to do lots of business trips there

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Beirdo:

kormoc: ?! OK, taht would be different

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kormoc:

amazing!

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

I'll have to try that

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Beirdo:

screw the diet... gimme cancer-wagon food!

[12:23:44]

Beirdo:

reminds me of an Adam Sandler song that ain't channel-friendly (like most of his stuff)

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kormoc:

I can't eat a dog without cream cheese anymore, they're so tasty

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Beirdo:

how about a cat?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

sorry, couldn't resist

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kormoc:

I like my cat Chinese style!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

anyways....

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Beirdo:

kormoc: mariners tix go on sale next Saturday

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Beirdo:

must... resist...

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Beirdo:

:)

[12:26:28]

Beirdo:

haha. the first grand slam in Safeco was 2 days after the inaugural game.

[12:26:31]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

third game... take that, Padres!

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j-rod:

July … 18?, 1999?

[12:27:38]

Beirdo:

17

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Beirdo:

first homer and then first grand slam... same game

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j-rod:

ah, right, first game was the 15th. I added 3 to that.

[12:27:58]

j-rod:

oops.

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j-rod:

math is hard

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

stupid fenceposts

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j-rod:

(and I'll have you know, I knew that off the top of my head that the inaugural day was July 15, 1999)

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Beirdo:

:)

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jamesd2:

Beirdo, and it doesn't hurt that 2 of the 3 games i saw went to over time...

[12:30:27]

Beirdo:

heh...

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Beirdo:

extra innings FTW

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stevieman:

is there a way to setup a playlist in .22 for videos? I have a bunch of 2 min shows that I'd like to string together for my son in 15–20 min blocks

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wagnerrp:

not exactly

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wagnerrp:

however you can specify a 'child video', which will play after the current video

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stevieman:

that works

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wagnerrp:

and you can play all content in a folder

[13:51:30]

stevieman:

no I like the child video, can I sent a child of a child?

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wagnerrp:

you can string them out however long you want

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wagnerrp:

however note that there is no way to prematurely exit this chain

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stevieman:

nice, now you got me thinking that sub-dir might be better, less chance of a did we already watch this episode?

[13:52:56]

wagnerrp:

it will play every file in the chan before exiting

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stevieman:

Oh that's not going to work at all

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wagnerrp:

and there is currently no way of breaking out of it, save killing the frontend

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stevieman:

guess I'll have to keep using xbox media centre :(

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mag0o:

(or lots of the exit keypresses, which is what i do)

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: well you have to exit out of every single video

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wagnerrp:

you still have to pass through each one before it will drop back to the frontend

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mag0o:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

there is a patch on trac that will exit the chain if you exit the video less than 10 seconds in

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wagnerrp:

will likely get added to trunk post-branch, and possibly backported to 0.23

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stevieman:

there should be a play-list feature to add videos to which could be saved or not. :)

[13:56:18]

iamlindoro:

And we should all get ponies, and pretty girls

[13:56:23]

iamlindoro:

anyway, probably won't backport

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stevieman:

is there a spot where I can make such a request?

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wagnerrp:

there is a feature request page on the wiki

[13:56:38]

stevieman:

well yes you should get all the ponies and pretty girls

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wagnerrp:

however i wouldnt expect any significant changes in mythvideo until a decision gets made about the video/recording merge

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stevieman:

well it can't be considered if I don't put it out there.

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wagnerrp:

i imagine it has already been considered

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iamlindoro:

It has

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iamlindoro:

It'll get done when it's feasible, it's definitely not that none of us has ever thought of having video playlists

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stevieman:

So I shouldn't bother submitting a request?

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wagnerrp:

go ahead and put it on the wishlist if you want, it just wont make much difference

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stevieman:

ok

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stevieman:

on a completly different topic, is there a specific time that mythtranscode runs by default? ie at 1am?

[14:03:02]

wagnerrp:

you *can* limit mythjobqueue to a certain time range, but no

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wagnerrp:

the default is within one minute after it hits the queue

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stevieman:

oh nuts, that means my queue isn't working

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stevieman:

or mythtranscode isn't running automatically

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BaZiL:

anyone have a clue what error i should look for when i get a recording that is 0B large ? i cant find any logic errors in the logs

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wagnerrp:

recording failed for some reason

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wagnerrp:

either your tuner card, or drivers, are broken

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wagnerrp:

or mythtv failed to tune to the channel, and never got the feed

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iamlindoro:

or the channel has moved

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iamlindoro:

ie, you need to rescan

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wagnerrp:

(as a reason for failing to tune the channel)

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: does the mythtv backend log report when it never reaches a tuning lock?

[14:41:59]

wagnerrp:

it should, yes

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devinheitmueller:

ok, just checking.

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wagnerrp:

ive always gotten something along the lines of 'could not find PID whatever'

[14:42:29]

devinheitmueller:

Wow, that's a really crappy error if that's what it says.

[14:42:36]

devinheitmueller:

Since that is completely independent of whether you got a tuner lock.

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iamlindoro:

TTBOMK, we never explicitly report that a tuner was unable to lock

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wagnerrp:

ah, ive always gotten a lock

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wagnerrp:

my problems have always just been with non-existent PIDs

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: well, that is more likely to occur if you have something like ClearQAM and the channel gets moved.

[14:43:45]

iamlindoro:

In liveTV you can see the tuning status, but for scheduled recordings, there is no logged information regarding lock- at least, not in the default log level

[14:43:53]

devinheitmueller:

Wow.

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: right... thats the only time ive had that sort of problem

[14:44:17]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: yeah, I knew about the stats being shown during live tv.

[14:44:37]

devinheitmueller:

Missing stuff like that in the log though makes me wonder how people *ever* figure out why their program didn't get recorded.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: FWIW there might be at some deeper level of verbosity, so I can't rule out that it exists altogether

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iamlindoro:

-v record is most likely to have that information if it's there to be had

[14:47:05]

devinheitmueller:

I'll quit my complaining though; I as well as anyone know that patches speak louder than words.

[14:47:18]

devinheitmueller:

Unfortunately, "-v" is pretty useless after the fact.

[14:47:28]

devinheitmueller:

This largely comes down to what should be in the log "by default".

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Dibblah:

Uhm... PIDs which aren't in the stream are logged by default.

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devinheitmueller:

Dibblah: yes, that is good. I'm saying it should *also* log the case where it never receives a tuner lock in the first place.

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Dibblah:

They were logged every second or so in .21, ISTR. Now, there's one entry, with a nice table.

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devinheitmueller:

An error about not being able to find the PID could be because the PIDs got moved, or it could be because there was no tuning lock achieved. And knowing *which* of those problems you had is a very valuable piece of information.

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Cipher42:

anyone have experience setting up a hauppauge 1212?

[14:57:17]

wagnerrp:

generally referred to as a HDPVR

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Cipher42:

should i use the h.2xxx for the capture card or analog capture?

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iamlindoro:

The HD-PVR card type specifically uses the phrase "HD-PVR"

[15:08:07]

iamlindoro:

s/h.2xxx/H.264/

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iamlindoro:

For reference, sources inside Hauppauge confirm that even *they* don't call it the 1212, the PVR-1212, or anything else.

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iamlindoro:

They call it the HD-PVR

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abqjp:

You realize you are talking to yourself?

[15:10:39]

iamlindoro:

I do it. For fun.

[15:10:47]

iamlindoro:

I'm the only guy I can get to listen.

[15:10:55]

iamlindoro:

but thanks, I hadn't realized :)

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abqjp:

:)

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: now you can say it all again. ;-)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: *I* listen. :-)

[15:13:46]

iamlindoro:

Or I can http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 DOINK!

[15:13:50]

iamlindoro:

haha

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wagnerrp:

!trout Cipher42_ log

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** MythLogBot slaps Cipher42_ with a log trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

[15:18:27]

Cipher42_:

ouch

[15:18:35]

Cipher42_:

i got disconnected

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wagnerrp:

the above link was for your benefit

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Cipher42_:

thanks

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** devinheitmueller likes how iamlindoro makes himself sound all self-important with phrases like "sources inside Hauppauge confirm"... **

[15:19:38]

iamlindoro:

hahah

[15:19:46]

iamlindoro:

awwww

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, like I don't know who you're talking about.

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iamlindoro:

sure, but it doesn't mean *everyone* does :)

[15:20:13]

iamlindoro:

It's a lot harder hitting than "My friend Mike told me..."

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Cipher42_:

ok hdpvr it is

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iamlindoro:

s/hdpvr/HD-PVR/

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wagnerrp:

!seen Hauppauge_insider

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MythLogBot:

Hauppauge_insider has not been seen here

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devinheitmueller:

You know, when you disclose information from "inside sources", you're far less likely to learn new things.

[15:20:52]

iamlindoro:

I only disclose that which is public knowledge :)

[15:21:05]

iamlindoro:

Who's to say I don't know about other secret fanciness?

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Cipher42_:

i get "irrecoverable recorder error" when i try to change channel

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Cipher42_:

using the 6200ch script for that

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squidly:

anyone ever used iscsi for a storage engine?

[15:22:44]

squidly:

instead of nfs?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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squidly:

with mythtv?

[15:23:00]

wagnerrp:

sorta

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller is just mad because I drowned him that one time

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wagnerrp:

do understand that it is a block server, rather than a remote file system like NFS

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squidly:

ahh okies

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wagnerrp:

you still have to format the block device provided by iscsi

[15:23:55]

squidly:

wagnerrp: yea I know.

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Cipher42_:

anyone ever seen that error?

[15:24:03]

wagnerrp:

and as such, you can generally only use it on one machine at a time

[15:24:14]

squidly:

depending on the fs..

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wagnerrp:

sure... you can use some obscure clustered file system

[15:24:45]

squidly:

we are using it at my work to share out a shared dir to mulitple systems..

[15:24:50]

squidly:

ocfs2 is pretty good ;)

[15:24:57]

wagnerrp:

but if youre going that route, youre rather beyond the limited of help that can be had in this channel

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: obscure or expensive :)

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squidly:

Beirdo: lol

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Beirdo:

Veritas is hardly obscure

[15:25:36]

Beirdo:

but it's not... home user grade either...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: among home enthusiasts?

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squidly:

lol

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Beirdo:

yeah, we can't afford its goodness

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Beirdo:

or its pain

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squidly:

I was thinking of anyone had used it to share out music/pictures to frontends

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squidly:

s/of/if

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wagnerrp:

squidly: not likely, because of the above issues

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea.. but if it's mounted readonly i dont think it will be an issue

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squidly:

on the frontends

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squidly:

(ie i'm trying to find a way to use it at home just to say I'm using it)

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wagnerrp:

of course both of those tasks, nigh, everything you do with mythtv shouldnt need more performance than could be provided by NFS

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wagnerrp:

read-only should work

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wagnerrp:

but ive heard filesystems still may write to metadata even in read-only mode

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squidly:

really

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wagnerrp:

depends on the FS i suppose

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squidly:

wow that is nuts

[15:28:53]

wagnerrp:

i came across something of that sort looking into it a year or so ago

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squidly:

yea my new backend is coming next week.. and I was thinking of how to make user of it and abuse the heck out of my new box

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squidly:

wagnerrp: wow..

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wagnerrp:

and that if you have multiple machines hitting the same iscsi share, you need to forcefully make the iscsi share read only

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wagnerrp:

rather than relying on the filesystem to do it

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squidly:

on the target side..yea

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squidly:

here at work we are using ocfs2 for the share

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squidly:

yea like i said though I'm mostly looking for a way to really abuse my new server

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wagnerrp:

anyway, im currently running iscsi for my diskless machines

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squidly:

wagnerrp: really/ nice

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wagnerrp:

but my recording disks and music is still over nfs

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iamlindoro:

Mmmm, I just got my free 12-pack of Stella for betting my coworker that the US hockey team would beat Finland

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squidly:

lol iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Maybe I'll sit at my desk and get loaded

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squidly:

iamlindoro: sounds like a plan to me ;)

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squidly:

wagnerrp: do you have your frontend nic's pull the iscsi info?

[15:33:02]

squidly:

or how do you do that.

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wagnerrp:

squidly: i have PXE pull a custom linux kernel

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wagnerrp:

with an embedded initrd that handles mounting of the iscsi disk prior to boot

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/User:Wagnerrp#iSCSI_Bo . . . _progress.29

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Why open-iscsi over IET?

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wagnerrp:

IET?

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high-rez:

IScsi Enterprise Target.

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wagnerrp:

no real reason... didnt know it existed

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high-rez:

Ahh

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high-rez:

I didn't know open-iscsi existed :)

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high-rez:

Will have to give it a try.

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high-rez:

I'd like to make my ionitx diskless.

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squidly:

on our servers we use open-iscsi for the initiator

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squidly:

we have an actual san for our targets

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high-rez:

For sure.

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wagnerrp:

wait, is IET just a target?

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high-rez:

Yeah

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im only using the open-iscsi initiator

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high-rez:

Ahh ok.

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wagnerrp:

so theres your reason

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high-rez:

What target do you use?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: what are you using for your target systems?

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high-rez:

And of course the obligatory question: jumbo frames?

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high-rez:

:)

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squidly:

lol

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wagnerrp:

ZFS for the host filesystem under freebsd, with the iscsi-target service swiped from netbsd

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squidly:

wagnerrp: ahh okies

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high-rez:

Interesting.

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high-rez:

Does FreeBSD zfs exports work like opensolaris?

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squidly:

I was looking at using freesan or opensan

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MDQtDRu46A

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iamlindoro:

Hahaha, that guy never gets old to me

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iamlindoro:

Another video from the Tracer-tee kid

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squidly:

iamlindoro: sfw?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: NFS, yes... but freebsd has no native iscsi target service, so there is no iscsi support in ZFS

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iamlindoro:

"After mooooonths and months and months of hacking..."

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iamlindoro:

haha

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wagnerrp:

and i am running jumbo

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wagnerrp:

my hardware all supports over 9000

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squidly:

wagnerrp: any major difference with jumbo frames and iscsi?

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wagnerrp:

not that ive bothered to measure

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high-rez:

I'd probably consider just going opensolaris for my san.

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iamlindoro:

squidly: There is a little mild profanity

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wagnerrp:

i did notice a big bump in SMB performance

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high-rez:

Or use my expisting backend to export LVM volumes with IET.

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squidly:

iamlindoro: ok.. ty

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Cipher42_:

anyone ever see "irrecoverable recording error" when changing channels?

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squidly:

Cipher42_: only when I lost a card

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squidly:

or the system torked on me

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iamlindoro:

With the HD-PVR, that suggests your Set top box changes channels too slowly

[15:45:20]

iamlindoro:

ie by the time the HD-PVR is trying to record again, the STB isn't outputting anything yet, which causes the record to fail

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: KOIP?

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iamlindoro:

you should try wrapping your channel changer in a script, with a sleep at the end

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Cipher42_:

any suggestions?

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Cipher42_:

ok thanks

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Cipher42_:

none of you guys have this problem?

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iamlindoro:

Not I. But a) all STBs behave differently and many people do have to add extra sleeps to their channel changers, and b) I don't watch LiveTV

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Cipher42_:

.

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** dustybin likes watching certain stuff live, especially news **

[16:14:24]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: So?

[16:14:48]

iamlindoro:

You managed to get *jams* to kick you the other day, and he's the nice one

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wagnerrp:

he likes seeing the characters he types echo back

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iamlindoro:

don't get me started

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iamlindoro:

ha

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devinheitmueller:

I might want to watch the superbowl live, but that doesn't mean I don't want to also be able to whack the rewind button if a wardrobe malfunction occurs.

[16:15:31]

iamlindoro:

Ideally it would happen to someone more attractive than Janet

[16:15:37]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: thats what we have youtube for

[16:15:38]

devinheitmueller:

true.

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iamlindoro:

But now the league plays it *way* safe with halftime shows

[16:15:52]

iamlindoro:

and only use washed up bands from the 60s and 70s

[16:16:32]

iamlindoro:

Not that the stones/The Who weren't hardcore in their day, but they are not the edgy bands they once were

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, the Who is probably still one of the most profitable bands from the 60/70s

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wagnerrp:

i have to imagine theyre getting a fair bit of royalties from every CSI incarnation running

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iamlindoro:

That's exactly my point

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iamlindoro:

they are a "safe" choice, which is the fallout of the wardrobe malfunction

[16:17:59]

iamlindoro:

They, the Stones, and all the other halftime shows since have been bland and safe

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wagnerrp:

Prince and his supposedly phallic guitar?

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iamlindoro:

OK, so washed up artists from the 80s too

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wagnerrp:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Prince is also a total d-bag

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oobe:

i installed updates and had to downgrade mysql or else the backend wouldnt start

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oobe:

:(

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wagnerrp:

mythtvtalk really as a lot of BAD advice

[16:22:07]

wagnerrp:

s/as/has/

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wagnerrp:

im almost 30 posts in since last night, trying to correct people

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I gave up on that site a few years back for exactly that reason

[16:24:08]

iamlindoro:

Trying to turn back a tsunami with a bucket

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wagnerrp:

like the one thread you posted last night...

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wagnerrp:

after finding the backend status page, and realizing it was just a proxyed version of that handed out by the backend

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wagnerrp:

the guy was worried about mythweb changes breaking his parsing in the future

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wagnerrp:

because there was no way he was going to pull the page directly, he had to go through mythweb to get it

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Cipher42_:

hey thanks again for the help, you are are life savers

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: well, what's funny is mythweb's backend status is actually grabbed directly from the backend and embedded

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wagnerrp:

or other people proposing a wrapper script to strip off the 'myth://Videos@hostname/', and add in the base path, to allow external players to work with storage groups

[16:28:22]

wagnerrp:

nevermind the fact that it breaks the first time they add a second video directory, or start up a remote frontend

[16:28:36]

Geoff918:

I keep getting a "Irrecoverable Player Error". I can't seem to find anything about it via Google or the Forums

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Geoff918:

(when using LiveTV)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i know that, the other guy knows that, but for some reason he just couldnt make the mental leap that he could grab it directly from the backend

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wagnerrp:

so instead of using that, or the xml version of that, or one of the bindings, or the backend protocol directly, hes going to grep out a status response from mythshutdown

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sphery:

I thought the stupid T-9-like input thing was gone, now, thanks to mythui? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/425881#425881

[16:31:16]

sphery:

or is there some non-mythui stuff still left in mythbrowser?

[16:31:23]

wagnerrp:

that was just standard keypad input

[16:31:51]

sphery:

standard?

[16:32:00]

sphery:

it was something added to myth's UI controls, right?

[16:32:02]

wagnerrp:

T-9 implies some sort of predictive dictionary that searches for words that could match your inputed number string

[16:32:06]

sphery:

I mean, nothing in Qt does that

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sphery:

oh...

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sphery:

whatever I mean the "use numbers for character" garbage

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iamlindoro:

paul-h: ^^^

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Geoff918:

Is anybody familiar with the output "Irrecoverable Player Error" when watching LiveTV?

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devinheitmueller:

Wow: TiVo wins ruling in EchoStar case, shares soar http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6233J12 . . . chnologyNews

[16:44:32]

BaZiL:

if i have a tvcard, that i think is broken.. i take that out of my system / and replace it with an exactly the same sort of card .. shouldnt it work directly when restarted ?

[16:44:50]

** sphery wonders what that means for all the Dish network DVR users out there? **

[16:45:03]

devinheitmueller:

Well, if your problem was that it really was the card was broken, then yes.

[16:45:50]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: for the users? Probably very little. Tivo will ram down the corporations throats a license agreement that will have no effect on the end-user experience.

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devinheitmueller:

Although Dish might use it as an excuse to raise prices a few bucks...

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: yeah, that's what I meant

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jst:

BaZiL, most likely. If not, try reconfiguring the card with mythtv-setup.

[16:46:55]

BaZiL:

hmm .. wierd part is that i did not find the new card

[16:46:59]

sphery:

if dish is paying TiVo a huge license fee for DVR tech, then they have to get the money from somehwere

[16:47:09]

devinheitmueller:

BaZiL: perhaps it is not the same make/model of card.

[16:47:14]

BaZiL:

now i switched it back.. and now it looks like it aint broken . maby needed cleaning

[16:47:21]

BaZiL:

was the exact same devinheitmueller

[16:47:23]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: they can always take it out of their shareholder profits.

[16:47:38]

devinheitmueller:

BaZiL: did you run lspci? It may *not* be the same, but just *look* the same.

[16:47:49]

sphery:

devinheitmueller: heh, yeah, right :)

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devinheitmueller:

BaZiL: Companies often come out with new hardware revisions of their products, but keep the exact same product name and branding.

[16:48:15]

sphery:

why do that when you have a captive audience of users whose subscription prices you can just raise

[16:48:19]

jst:

devinheitmueller, thanks for all your help in the past. :) Do you use an HDPVR by any chance? I'm thinking about buying one and I'm wondering what your opinion on them is.

[16:48:39]

devinheitmueller:

jst: I am ashamed to admit that I do have one, but it is still in the packaging.

[16:48:50]

sphery:

if tivo doesn't sue every other satellite and cable TV company in existence, I'll be very upset

[16:48:56]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: they plan to.

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jst:

Hahahaha, nice.

[16:49:07]

BaZiL:

devinheitmueller yea .. that might be the way

[16:49:15]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: They are already going after other satellite companies and cablecos.

[16:49:19]

sphery:

good... then maybe they'll hit a big one who can actually afford to fight them

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jst:

devinheitmueller, by the way... your driver for the 1600 works beautifully. I don't think my MythBox has ever been as happy as it is now.

[16:50:01]

devinheitmueller:

I hate software patents as much as the next guy, but on the other hand I have to give Tivo some credit for coming out with the idea first, and it did piss me off a bit to see all the cable companies just copy the idea and undersell them.

[16:50:07]

devinheitmueller:

jst: that's great news.

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sphery:

which idea is that?

[16:50:33]

wagnerrp:

did TiVo actually come out first? i thought they were just more like the iPod

[16:50:33]

** jst would love to see the FCC open up access to CableCards. **

[16:50:42]

devinheitmueller:

jst: it's not really my driver though. Oh, and if you're still using the code on kernellabs.com, you should probably switch back to the mainline v4l-dvb.

[16:50:46]

wagnerrp:

the first one with a sufficiently easy interface that they took off in the market

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sphery:

the whole recording to a digital stream on a HDD was around long before TiVo

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mag0o:

sphery: mind a quick OT mysql question?

[16:51:07]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I'm pretty sure they were first. Unlike the ipod, for which there were already alot of companies making MP3 players.

[16:51:10]

mag0o:

ah, nm

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mag0o:

silly me

[16:51:20]

sphery:

mag0o: not at all--though I'll likely refer you to someone who knows mysql

[16:51:30]

sphery:

(like yourself, it seems :)

[16:51:46]

devinheitmueller:

jst: yeah, that will happen right about the time that Tru2Way becomes the standard, and cablecard support is dropped.

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wagnerrp:

heh

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oobe:

look http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/About.html?

[16:53:11]

mag0o:

was looking for confirmation on how to toggle a tinyint, but found a working solution

[16:53:21]

devinheitmueller:

But WAIT! CableCard *is* an open standard. That's why it's called *OpenCable* !!!

[16:53:30]

devinheitmueller:

f**kers.

[16:53:31]

wagnerrp:

oobe: is that the hannah montana linux distro?

[16:54:04]

oobe:

yea lol i take you are already aware

[16:54:14]

oobe:

i think its funny and cute

[16:54:30]

oobe:

i cant actually see the harm in it but i know why ppl hate it

[16:54:34]

jst:

Please tell me that's a joke.

[16:54:47]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Any chance of getting the voting site up in the next day or two?

[16:54:55]

kormoc:

Crap! Yes!

[16:54:55]

mag0o:

can't be a joke, i saw it on the internet!

[16:55:07]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: cool, thanks

[16:55:29]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Have the link to the final .tar.gz's?

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sphery:

oobe: it's official--there are now too many Linux distros

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kormoc:

Aye, I have them in my tree, so once I commit it up, should be golden

[16:57:44]

oobe:

yea there are a lot of distros

[16:58:01]

oobe:

especially remastered ubuntu ones :P

[16:58:02]

wagnerrp:

whats with all these systems being set up to run in a java VM?

[16:59:47]

oobe:

are you guys voting soon on the theme competition?

[17:00:04]

wagnerrp:

once the page opens up

[17:00:23]

oobe:

cool how many entrys are there

[17:00:29]

wagnerrp:

three

[17:00:37]

wagnerrp:

so apparently everyone is a winner

[17:00:39]

oobe:

lol there is more prizes than that

[17:00:42]

sphery:

I'm doing a write-in vote for Mickey Mouse.

[17:01:09]

iamlindoro:

Skrew you, ertha-man, and you Mickee Mousssseeeeeee

[17:01:31]

iamlindoro:

(One of my favorite films, want Blu ray!)

[17:02:01]

wagnerrp:

whats that?

[17:02:09]

iamlindoro:

Enemy Mine

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devinheitmueller:

Holy 1985 Batman!

[17:02:43]

wagnerrp:

is that with the guy from innerspace?

[17:02:45]

oobe:

i dont think it would work well as a BD ?

[17:02:54]

iamlindoro:

oobe: Why would you say that?

[17:02:59]

oobe:

i mean wouldnt it just be an SD upscale?

[17:03:07]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yup.

[17:03:08]

iamlindoro:

What resolution do you think *film* is?

[17:03:15]

AndyCap:

Davi'gee

[17:03:20]

oobe:

like the camera footage wouldnt be lower res than BD

[17:03:31]

** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

Film is much much higher res than 1080p

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Beirdo:

YAY

[17:03:40]

oobe:

i didnt relise

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AndyCap:

depending on the film etc.

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** Beirdo has a working buildbot config **

[17:03:53]

kormoc:

silver particles aren't that large...

[17:04:06]

** kormoc has no clue if color is still silver or not **

[17:04:41]

sphery:

"I only have a MythTV backend (on Ubuntu), and use Win 7 media center to watch the recordings. All is fine, except the recordings for WLS (ABC7, RF channel 44) won't play." Er, maybe if you use mythfrontend to play them instead of WMP?

[17:05:07]

iamlindoro:

Anyhoo, Film is a great medium to transfer to blu-ray, assuming the original masters are in good shape, and if you pay for a decent transfer

[17:05:08]

oobe:

lol

[17:05:31]

oobe:

yea i didnt relise that iamlindoro i thought it would be like upscaling

[17:05:37]

iamlindoro:

And most film transfers are to 2K vertical resolution if the studio is cheap, 4K if they spend any money/time

[17:05:43]

AndyCap:

kormoc: silver and filters?

[17:05:59]

wagnerrp:

the only problem becomes digital special effects, which are very expensive to do at high resolutions

[17:06:28]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: iirc. 4K and 2K are width.

[17:06:35]

iamlindoro:

Since the effects are also on film, and they're matte paintings + miniatures for Enemy mine, there's nothing to do

[17:06:36]

wagnerrp:

2K vertical? i thought those were generally measuring width

[17:06:47]

wagnerrp:

what AndyCap said...

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iamlindoro:

yes, vertical, mistyped

[17:07:21]

AndyCap:

horizontal...

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wagnerrp:

horizontal?

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iamlindoro:

dang it, and now a second time ;)

[17:08:46]

oobe:

has trunk gone into feature freeze yet for .23

[17:09:13]

wagnerrp:

long ago

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AndyCap:

anyhow, even if the exposure isn't good enough for 2K or 4K people seem to enjoy the "authentic" feel of film grain. like crackling from vinyl records.

[17:09:41]

oobe:

i havent been following it

[17:10:13]

iamlindoro:

I enjoy film grain quite a lot, within reason

[17:10:28]

iamlindoro:

one of the "wow" elements of my first few blu ray experiences, in fact

[17:11:00]

** AndyCap thinks the matrix would have been better if it looked slightly worse. :P **

[17:11:22]

sphery:

So, any mediawiki gurus that know of a way to make http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Channel_Editor (and any of the old-style wiki links) redirect to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Channel_Editor (i.e. removing the /index.php portion of the URI)?

[17:12:00]

Beirdo:

sphery: been so long since I messed with that...

[17:12:11]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you can always check the 'requested pages' index

[17:12:13]

sphery:

"Can anyone recommend a decent HDPVR, that I can use with my cablebox. Something cheap but not so cheap that the quality is horrible."

[17:12:16]

sphery:

???

[17:12:25]

Beirdo:

I seem to remember there being a way

[17:12:26]

AndyCap:

sphery: uh, what?

[17:12:35]

Beirdo:

heheheh

[17:12:37]

sphery:

AndyCap: from a -users list post

[17:12:41]

Beirdo:

lusers..

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iamlindoro:

sphery: #REDIRECT [[Frontend Channel Editor]]

[17:13:20]

sphery:

AndyCap: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/425943#425943

[17:13:28]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so you'd have to do it for every single old link?

[17:13:29]

AndyCap:

sphery: yeh, I found it. :P

[17:13:35]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, was pretty funny that he actually used the term "hdpvr" in his request.

[17:13:39]

AndyCap:

sphery: what are the old-style links?

[17:13:44]

sphery:

devinheitmueller: yeah :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: done

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AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: maybe he'll ask about a good google site next?

[17:14:01]

devinheitmueller:

;-)

[17:14:06]

sphery:

AndyCap: exactly the same as all the new links, but with /index.php before the /Page_Name part

[17:14:28]

AndyCap:

sphery: so not actual wiki links but http links?

[17:15:06]

sphery:

AndyCap: right... so that links in old posts, fora, blogs, etc still resolve

[17:15:14]

AndyCap:

Ohh, acchaa.

[17:15:23]

AndyCap:

apache rewriting rules?

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sphery:

just thought it would be nice to fix that as we typically get a bunch of requests

[17:15:38]

sphery:

yeah, that's probably what it needs to do it right

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sphery:

hoped there was a way for mediawiki to do it (because I know a guy with wiki permz :)

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abqjp:

Late to the conversation, but ReplayTV came out before TIVO.

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devinheitmueller:

abqjp: yeah, I'm not completely sure about that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replaytv

[17:30:13]

devinheitmueller:

... says that they both came out at the same time (CES 1999)

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abqjp:

I owned a ReplayTV before I ever heard of TIVO. That did not last long though. ReplayTV did not do near as good a job at market penetration.

[17:31:58]

devinheitmueller:

Well, I owned a Tivo before I ever heard of ReplayTV. See how that argument doesn't really hold water?

[17:31:59]

iamlindoro:

Which is a shame because it had some way-in-advance features

[17:32:16]

wagnerrp:

abqjp: plus they got hit with lawsuits over their recording sharing

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iamlindoro:

Until the industry forced them to neuter the whole-house and across-the-internet sharing stuff

[17:32:52]

wagnerrp:

oh wait... isnt the industry advertising those same exact features now?

[17:33:05]

iamlindoro:

ah-yup

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sphery:

even win 7 commercials advertise that

[17:34:19]

wagnerrp:

now theyre arguing that there should be some environmental flag that would tell mythtv to just pass the file path to the external player, rather than the full myth:// URI

[17:34:20]

sphery:

but you can't play TV shows from WLS (ABC7, RF channel 44) on Windows 7, it seems :)

[17:34:52]

sphery:

export BASH_IS_BETTER_THAN_MYTHFRONTEND=1

[17:34:54]

wagnerrp:

i dont know how many ways i can tell these people to stop that

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wagnerrp:

i gave them the 'mythfs' solution, should should work for as long as mythvideo allows external players

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wagnerrp:

but apparently that wasnt good enough

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iamlindoro:

Heh, all these translators get to do all sorts of extra translating on account of Arclight

[17:38:20]

iamlindoro:

with all my custom help texts and reworking of options names

[17:38:26]

wagnerrp:

sphery: seriously... at least the PERL_IS_BETTER_THAN_MYTHFRONTEND chose a decently capable language

[17:39:21]

wagnerrp:

ive got nothing against bash, its just very limited

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iamlindoro:

Whoops, need to schedule "The Pacific"

[17:48:26]

wagnerrp:

need to... erm... wait for it to show up on the History Channel

[17:49:00]

iamlindoro:

Did Band of Brothers end up there?

[17:49:33]

wagnerrp:

yeah, they show it once every month or two

[17:49:44]

wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, unedited

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iamlindoro:

wow, interesting

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: it's a great shell :)

[17:57:10]

Beirdo:

but as a language... quite limited :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: well i suppose there are people who enjoy masochism, and people who use languages like BF

[17:58:20]

Beirdo:

heh

[17:58:40]

** Beirdo cheers **

[17:58:51]

Beirdo:

other than cygwin being stupid, etc...

[17:59:00]

Beirdo:

my buildbot stuff is pretty much in order

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Beirdo:

I'd love (at some future point) to set one up for mythtv

[17:59:38]

wagnerrp:

did you ever see that ~1800 line bash script to import loose videos in as recordings, and 'eliminate the need for mythvideo'?

[17:59:47]

Beirdo:

dunno where we could host the master though :)

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iamlindoro:

siighhhhhhhhhhhh re: that script

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Beirdo:

aye CARUMBA.

[18:00:17]

iamlindoro:

Finally, freed from the tyranny of MythVideo

[18:00:23]

Beirdo:

how's this for eliminating need... you don't like it, don't install it :)

[18:01:01]

Beirdo:

can they now elimate our collective need to scream and tear our remaining hair out?

[18:01:02]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: he had to do it, you were going to take away external players...

[18:01:22]

iamlindoro:

heh

[18:01:40]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: So he figured why not get a jump on it?

[18:01:59]

Beirdo:

heh, there ya go

[18:02:01]

iamlindoro:

When we remove external players, I need to make sure to introduce some other massive change at that same time so that undoing the changeset is impossible

[18:02:15]

Beirdo:

now you have a good excuse for removing it... he already provided the replacement :)

[18:02:18]

Beirdo:

heheh

[18:02:22]

** sphery already torea out all his hair **

[18:02:22]

iamlindoro:

haa

[18:02:32]

wagnerrp:

yeah, well.. he did right an 1800 line bash script, his logic is already in question

[18:02:48]

Beirdo:

hope he enjoys maintaining that monstrosity

[18:03:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro: and obfuscate the video info and file paths in the db

[18:03:27]

sphery:

Beirdo: Maintain? What's that mean?

[18:03:32]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:03:39]

iamlindoro:

Guess it could have unforseen positive consequences

[18:03:45]

sphery:

if it works, it works... What more is there?

[18:03:45]

iamlindoro:

maybe someone would team mplayer to speak myth://

[18:03:49]

iamlindoro:

er teach

[18:03:57]

Beirdo:

that would be cool, actually

[18:04:04]

sphery:

it will work the same for eternity (without all those stupid devs committing changes to it, of course)

[18:04:17]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it probably wouldnt even be that hard

[18:04:27]

Beirdo:

probably not, true

[18:04:29]

sphery:

iamlindoro: better--just have xbmc speak myth://

[18:04:35]

Beirdo:

or both :)

[18:04:40]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Heh, it actually already does

[18:04:44]

iamlindoro:

well, Mythlish, anyway

[18:04:58]

Beirdo:

it speaks mith:// ?

[18:04:59]

sphery:

yeah, it speaks myth:// like I speak Latin

[18:05:00]

iamlindoro:

it speaks "Hey, I speak protocol 8, wait, no I don't" myth://

[18:05:11]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i mean the code to do so in the python bindings is only ~250 lines

[18:05:35]

Beirdo:

I'm not a python-head though, but I'm sure I could figure it out fast enough

[18:05:36]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that's an unfair comparison because the python bindings are python

[18:05:37]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: yeah-- they use libcmyth, which is basically unmaintained, and it lies about its protocol version to find out what version of the protoco to pretend it actually speaks

[18:05:40]

iamlindoro:

which it doesn't

[18:05:47]

wagnerrp:

and a lot of that is comments, and other stuff that could otherwise be stripped out

[18:06:01]

sphery:

so it's like "import mythproto;" followed by 249 lines of "just to make it look a bit harder"

[18:06:28]

wagnerrp:

sphery, Beirdo: i only mention that because the python socket stuff is little more than a wrapper around the C socket libraries

[18:06:32]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Admittedly it's not XBMC's fault libcmyth is a bastard

[18:06:41]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: gool

[18:06:49]

Beirdo:

cool even

[18:07:00]

sphery:

gool = good cool

[18:07:01]

iamlindoro:

maybe they'll move to something based on wagnerrp's bindings now that they're so robust

[18:07:02]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: heh, they just perpetuate the cmyth

[18:07:19]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt necessarily call them robust...

[18:07:19]

sphery:

ghoul = bad uncool

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wagnerrp:

getting there

[18:07:31]

iamlindoro:

I'm not sure what their plan is for their PVR frontend expansion-- to speak Myth proto natively, to use a lib, to use bindings... no idea

[18:07:42]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: reimplement it in perl

[18:07:58]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: In that case, might as well just slap a few hundred lines together and have a whole PVR ;)

[18:08:02]

Beirdo:

AndyCap: nah, I'm sure that will be me, kormoc, xris :)

[18:08:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro: going to the python bindings wouldn't work, after all, they check for the proper version of the bindings, protocols, db schema's, etc...

[18:08:13]

sphery:

and xbmc can't be bothered with that kind of thing

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wagnerrp:

im still going back and finding stuff 'man, whoever wrote that didnt know what they were doing... wait, i wrote that'

[18:08:26]

sphery:

after all, if it's proto 8 or better, it should just work

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Beirdo:

the perl bindings do definitely need more work

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iamlindoro:

boy howdy

[18:09:03]

sphery:

yes, the perl bindings are a /very/ thin coat of mother-of-pearl on a very big plastic bead

[18:11:37]

Beirdo:

now now :)

[18:11:50]

Beirdo:

that plastic bead outdates most of us :)

[18:12:14]

sphery:

true... they were a good start, but could stand a good reworking like the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

didnt you say the perl bindings were basically runoff from nuvexport?

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

or was that just parts that got migrated

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Beirdo:

not completely migrated :)

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sphery:

think it was just taking the tons of code in nuvexport and putting it into a reusable lib

[18:13:06]

Beirdo:

the matching code is STILL in nuvexport's directory

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and then... forgetting to have nuvexport use them?

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Beirdo:

but hasn't been removed/cleaned out

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Beirdo:

Pretty sure it's using the bindings...

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sphery:

wonder how long until we have nuvexport.py

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Beirdo:

anyways, after 0.23, I intend to fix that

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Beirdo:

in Perl.

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

or I could drive xris insane and do it in Ruby

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sphery:

yeah, actually, if you get around to working on /cleaning up the perl bindings, that's a wonderful thing

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hey now, stop piling stuff up on me.... im already supposed to write some python implementation of the mythui api

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's my intention

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AndyCap:

erlang!

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Beirdo:

that and support or vaapi

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Beirdo:

support FOR

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Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo bad typing

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a bad typing trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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wagnerrp:

i need to get mythfs cleaned up and using events for updates, rather than periodic polling

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Beirdo:

what time is it in Jaifa, Israel?

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Beirdo:

dang, just past midnight

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Beirdo:

anyways, off to home we go

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wagnerrp:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=current+time+in+Jaifa+Israel&l=1

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cipher42:

hey mythtv crashes when i change channel from mythv, but i can change it from the terminal no problem

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cipher42:

and sleeping doesn't help

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iamlindoro:

define crashes

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cipher42:

"irrecoverable recoder error"

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iamlindoro:

So why would that be a crash?

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cipher42:

it kicks me back to the main menu

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cipher42:

and stops the live tv

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iamlindoro:

Which wouldn't be a crash.

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cipher42:

ur right, it's not exactly a crash

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cipher42:

my bad

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wagnerrp:

crash would be kicking you out to the desktop

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iamlindoro:

Recorder errors with the HD-PVR are pretty much exclusively issues of interaction between the HD-PVR and the set top box. Nothing Myth can do about pickey STB/HD-PVR-- I suspect you are attempting to add the sleep wrong of haven't tried enough.

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iamlindoro:

the recorder error means "I tried to record from your device but it said no, for some reason"

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iamlindoro:

Meaning your issue is lower on the food chain than myth

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cipher42:

well if i just do it from the terminal it doesn't kick me back to the main menu

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cipher42:

it switches just fine

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iamlindoro:

because you are not doing all the steps that myth has to do from the terminal

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iamlindoro:

Myth has to stop the recording, change the channel, re-open the connection to the device, and initiate a new recording to change channel

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cipher42:

right

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iamlindoro:

running a channel changer while myth does nothing is not remotely the same

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cipher42:

i tried to sleep it for a long time, but still got the same result

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cipher42:

any suggestions?

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elmojo:

wondering if the Tivo verdict has any implications for MythTV?

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cipher42:

anyone know how to check firmware version of the hdpvr in linux?

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wagnerrp:

it looked like it was only over insertion of ads into the DVR UI

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elmojo:

ah... that was what I was wondering

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elmojo:

would be bad if it was some generalized patent that covered any dvr solution in existence

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elmojo:

cipher42: don't have one but I'm guessing the kernel logs when the driver loads might show it

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sphery:

CBS is doing a respin of Hawaii Five-O

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sphery:

and yet good new shows get cancelled

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cipher42:

yea not sure what to look for in dmesg

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cipher42:

hdpvr 1–3:1.0: device now attached to /dev/video8

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cipher42:

maybe that's something useful?

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cipher42:

hdpvr 1–3:1.0: untested firmware version 0xf, the driver might not work

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cipher42:

gonna try to connect to windows to update firmware...

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abqjp:

cipher42: pretty sure version 0xf is the latest.

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abqjp:

cipher42: however, it should not hurt to do an update....

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cipher42:

it's already the latest?

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cipher42:

i got it straight from hauppauge

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cipher42:

but they couldn't confirm if they ship with the latest for some reason...

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Wicked:

hello all. Im a bit confused as to how i would make a custom rule to record the show cops...but i only want it to record new episodes on saturday at either 8 or 8:30pm....just selecting a rule to record new cop episodes at anytime often records old cops epidoes at 4am during the week

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abqjp:

cipher42: actually, I am wrong. 0xf is not the latest. 0x12 is what I am running.

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Wicked:

also sometimes new cops epidodes are at 8 and 8:30...but most times only the 8pm cops is new

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cipher42:

yea i need to update

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Wicked:

hmm..am i doing something wrong here? but ive made a custom rule in schedule recordings -> custom record and when i hit test it only matches the shows i want to record...so i hit store...then goto check the upcoming shows..and the shows are not in there...how do i activate the rule i just made?

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iamlindoro:

Store != Record

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Wicked:

ok i now realize that..but when i hit record....it brings me to the recording options screen...with things like "record one showing" and so on....

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Wicked:

i dont get how i add my rule

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iamlindoro:

You are settings the options pertaining to your rule

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iamlindoro:

er setting

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iamlindoro:

so you set them just like any other recording rule, and save them

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Wicked:

the closest option i want is "record at any time on any channel" but my custom rule only records on sat at a specific time

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Wicked:

other then that i only see "record one showing of this every day or week"

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Wicked:

sometimes cops has 2 new episodes back to back

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Wicked:

so it may record more then one show per week

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Beirdo:

hahaahahah

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Wicked:

so i dont really understand which one i want to select for this rule

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Beirdo:

my cygwin problem today: I had a bash window open with the directory it was trying to delete... as PWD

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Beirdo:

eeediot

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Wicked:

maby im not explaining myself right

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Wicked:

i made a rule that will record only new showings of the show cops on saturday between 7pm and 11pm. cops normally has a new episode at 8pm with a repeat at 8:30...but sometimes it has both new episodes. From the rule i created that does that i dont see how i set it as its only "record one showing of this", "record one showing of this daily", "record one showing of this weekly", or "record at anytime

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Wicked:

on any channel"

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iamlindoro:

A custom rule is totally unnecessary for the above

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iamlindoro:

Just record cops at any time on any channel, and set the filter to new episodes only, no repeats

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iamlindoro:

Then you will only get first-air episodes, even if fox plays then on an unusual night, moves the show, or whatever

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i cleaned up a function and added 27 lines

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: nice work

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sark666:

i wanted to share some videos that are on a windows box, to my myth box. i thought about upnp, but from what I read, myth is only a upnp server and cannot act as a client. is that correct?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

the only way to do what you want is to share them over windows file sharing

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wagnerrp:

mount them with the CIFS file system module

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wagnerrp:

and use them as normal

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wagnerrp:

supposedly theres some 'djmount' which will let you use UPnP servers as a file system, but ive never used it

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sark666:

ok

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** Beirdo is dreaming up his next embedded systems project **

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Beirdo:

think USB... little box... say 8 IR transmitters and an IR receiver

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awalls:

!trout Beirdo

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awalls:

Wake up.

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Beirdo:

why?

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Beirdo:

!trout awalls

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** MythLogBot slaps awalls with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

This device would be cool.

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Beirdo:

and quite useful

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wagnerrp:

well... maybe half of one

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awalls:

dreaming of IR blasters?

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wagnerrp:

not sure what you would do with eight

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Beirdo:

well, up to 8 :)

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Beirdo:

that could be scalable... or negotiable :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

8 is a nice round number, that's all

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Beirdo:

so is 4 :)

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Beirdo:

the reciever would be for capturing codes from the remote

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awalls:

only in base 2 4 or 8

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Beirdo:

embedded systems usually are byte-oriented :)

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Beirdo:

8 GPIO -> 8 IR

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but whatever

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Beirdo:

but screw serial ports... USB :)

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Beirdo:

if I get that working, I'd likely even do like the linuxstamp things...

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Beirdo:

make them for people for a price... or let you make your own

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Beirdo:

but I'm warning ya, you better like soldering surface-mount components :)

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Beirdo:

that processor's not gonna be through-hole

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** awalls can't afford wave soldering machines **

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Beirdo:

nah, not talking BGA

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Beirdo:

I'm not insane :)

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Beirdo:

TQFP or the like

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Beirdo:

fine pitch, but perfectly possible to do by hand

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Beirdo:

anyways, I think there'd be a decent market for such a device

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Beirdo:

and it would be fun to make

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Beirdo:

hehe

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awalls:

Seems like a universal remote that presses all the buttons at once.

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Beirdo:

seems like a way for mythtv to control multiple cable/satellite/whatever boxes for recording :)

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Beirdo:

the transmitters would obviously need to be on wires that you mount by the receiving box

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Beirdo:

the actual LED that is

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wagnerrp:

i think there would be a decent market for the stick-on transmitters alone

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

its so hard to find spare ones of those

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wagnerrp:

you can only get a full unit

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awalls:

wireless stick on transmitters... ;)

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wagnerrp:

which makes no sense because the MCEUSBs support 2, but only ship with one

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Beirdo:

hmmm, yeah the physical part will be tricky :)

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wagnerrp:

awalls: infrared powered?

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Beirdo:

have to find a supplier :)

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awalls:

:)

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Beirdo:

what connector is on the end of that cable, BTW?

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wagnerrp:

standard 3.5mm mono plug

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Beirdo:

perfect :)

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awalls:

My HP OEM one looks like it takes a small mono plug.

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wagnerrp:

although i couldnt tell you the polarity

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wagnerrp:

i assume center ground is standard

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Beirdo:

that's easy enough to test though once it got to that

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Beirdo:

fairly :)

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** awalls is too lazy to get his ohmmeter **

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Beirdo:

for audio anyways

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wagnerrp:

what voltage should this thing run at?

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wagnerrp:

i could just hook a battery up, and point it at my cell camera

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

any likelihood 1.5 would burn out a LED?

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Beirdo:

I think most IR LEDs need about 3V... but it's the current that matters

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Beirdo:

it could

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awalls:

avoid reverse bias

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wagnerrp:

actually... ive got an ohmmeter on the desk next to me

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Beirdo:

reverse is off

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its a diode

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Beirdo:

it's a diode

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awalls:

or breakdown at too high a voltage

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wagnerrp:

reverse, and it does nothing

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Beirdo:

1.5V won't be breakdown

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wagnerrp:

assuming you dont punch so much voltage through so as to destroy it

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awalls:

dead diode

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Beirdo:

forward you have to worry about current limiting so it doesn't fry

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Beirdo:

but for a SHORT time, I would expect a AA to be safe almost

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

looks like the diode is already dead

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Beirdo:

I used to solder a resistor to a diode for a cheap voltage tester

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wagnerrp:

that or the battery on this meter is so low, i cant pick anything up

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wagnerrp:

direct pin-to-pin is registering 20kohm

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Beirdo:

is there a diode tester on the meter?

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wagnerrp:

no, its a very old unit

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Beirdo:

dang

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awalls:

Analog movement?

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awalls:

:)

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awalls:

That should be just fine.

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Beirdo:

I had one LED-based voltage detector.. :)

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wagnerrp:

holy crap

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wagnerrp:

the battery is half eaten away on the inside

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Beirdo:

red one way, green the other... and a resistor

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Beirdo:

eek

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Beirdo:

that's not good

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wagnerrp:

a bit amazed it worked at all

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

hey, you want Ethernet on this baby? ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that'd be insane

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Beirdo:

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dk . . . A1128-AUT-ND

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Beirdo:

niiice

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Beirdo:

overkill, but nice

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wagnerrp:

ive heard people rave over the little arduino systems

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Beirdo:

neat

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Beirdo:

I still wanna spin my own toy :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

those do look cool though

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Beirdo:

the AVR32 is SO overpowered

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wagnerrp:

http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209565937

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Beirdo:

bet you could nearly run Linux on it

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Beirdo:

yeah, but I don't want some crappy language either :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

looks like C to me... didnt think you were a sufficiently old fogey to kick those non-assembler whipper snappers off your front channel

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Beirdo:

I LOVE doing assembly :)

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Beirdo:

embedded systems software is my #1 passion geek-wise

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Beirdo:

it is cool though, I may score one of those anyways :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I still have a mental design for an AVR-based time source for NTP

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Beirdo:

using the time signals off shortwave radio

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clever:

ah, i was thinking in the direction of the PPS signal from a gps

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Beirdo:

but doing DSP filters in hand assembly... painful

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Beirdo:

I had it (in simulation) 95% complete

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Beirdo:

the Atmel rep was shocked

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Beirdo:

hehe

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clever:

lol

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Beirdo:

and then my boss decided that he as tired paying for a pet project... and laid me off

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Beirdo:

as he had no work for us that was paid

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Beirdo:

dang

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Beirdo:

wonder if the AVR32UC3 is low enough power to be USB-bus powered :)

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