Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, March 8th, 2010, 00:11 AST

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mzb:

iirc, the 4:3 themes are pretty much being phased out. Are any of the nice(r) themes still available? (other than mythcenter)

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wagnerrp:

theyre not being phased out

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mzb:

ah good

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wagnerrp:

all the old themes were scrapped, and no one has bothered to make any new 4:3 ones

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

I'm having a few issues with fonts/overlap trying blue-abstract-wide on 1024/768

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mzb:

tv for the workshop/garage so I guess it doesn't matter that much ;)

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[R]:

1024x768 isn't widescreen

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mzb:

I realise that ... and that's my point

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mzb:

I suspect that "tuning" the font sizes might help a little, but tbh, the machine probably will struggle with fanart anyway

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mzb:

(a cheap copy of an EPIA M10K)

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mzb:

(but with nVidia PCI graphics)

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** mzb tries fonts at -30% **

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mzb:

ooh ... animated icons on the recordings page ... very pretty

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mzb:

hmm, font adjust doesn't appear to make any difference in the movie times

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mzb:

hehe, but works fine for the setup screens! ;)

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mzb:

what is the meaning of "average time shift"

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mzb:

(apart from being the _average_ of *something*) ;))

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mzb:

ie: if it says "46 hours" is the box trying to tell me that on average I take 46hours to get around to watching that show after it's recorded?

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kormoc:

mzb: yes

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sphery:

my average time shift is 99hrs, which--not coincidentally--is the max-recordable value

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sphery:

(for nearly every single show I record)

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kormoc:

same

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sphery:

with that 99hr limit, it becomes really rather useless for a large percentage of the mythtv user population

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sphery:

I mean, if you don't watch the show within the same work week it's broadcast, it's not helping

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sphery:

that said, I haven't found enough value to the stat to actually consider making it work with a larger range of values :)

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kormoc:

yeah, all my shows get a nice negative value

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kormoc:

sphery: it's used in that one schedule value thing

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sphery:

hmmm... only place I knew it was used was the watch list (which I don't use, either)

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sphery:

I'll have to look at the scheduler's use of it

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kormoc:

the auto priority thing

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sphery:

oh, yeah, that

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sphery:

I don't use that, either :)

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kormoc:

which has a hard coded 'norm' of 48 hours

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kormoc:

and all my shows are 99+, so they all get the full negative amount

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sphery:

I forgot about the "telepathic priority"

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kormoc:

which makes it fairly useless, but I wish it wasn't so :)

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sphery:

there should be a setting ;)

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kormoc:

or auto-figured out based upon your history

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kormoc:

I keep meaning to fix that with my auto-adjust based on recordings

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kormoc:

I have a messy patch that for each currently recorded show, it's -1 priority, so it's more of a balancer with adjustments

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justinh:

so umm... this Hauppauge USB CI thingy.. when it works in linux – which it presumably will one day – how's that going to affect this channel's stance on software decoding?

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justinh:

cos we ain't seeing pci-e tuner cards with CI slots

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

won't the card do the decoding for you?

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justinh:

yeah but it's generally a CI on a tuner card doing the decoding as opposed to an external device

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kormoc:

it's still the same thing, hardware doing the decoding and sending the decoded stream to the end device, not the same as softcams/software decoding

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justinh:

oh yeah. Duh. I forgot it's not just a card reader

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justinh:

not like the (ahem) devices

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kormoc:

aye

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justinh:

small but very important disticntion, that. Whoops!

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toeb:

how would i requet a list of aktive frontends from the backend? Could not find any information on this in the wiki...

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justinh:

you don't

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toeb:

:-(

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justinh1:

you might be able to get away with just pinging known hosts

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justinh1:

why do you need to know anyway?

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toeb:

i'm writing a little tool to send keypresses via the telnet interface to the frontends. it would be nice to have an auto generated list of available frontends...

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justinh:

I don't think mythbackend even needs that information, so it's not kept as far as I know

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toeb:

ok

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justinh:

ow. Making a blank 512MB file should not be taking this long

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justinh:

break it & time it...

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kormoc:

toeb: it's fairly rapid to just test connectivity, as if it's a tool, it's not always on the same network as the MBE or the like, check out mythweb's telnet remote

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justinh:

yeah you could pull the list of known frontends from the settings table – just grab unique hostnames from 'settings.hostname' ;-)

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justinh:

dunno how mythweb does it but that's one way

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justinh:

holy poo. 3.3MB/sec write on that file :-(

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toeb:

justinh: jep thats what i was thinking about too

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kormoc:

we query the frontends who have the telnet interface enabled and check those

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justinh:

maybe this HDD is poorly & that's what's pulling the speed down

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justinh:

heh that'd be more relevant :)

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toeb:

kormoc: i'm gonna try this

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tend.php#L36

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justinh:

looks like all accesses to my / disk are very very slow lately :(

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justinh:

meh. still on UDMA6, so it's not the interface slowing down

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justinh:

ouch! Timing cached reads: 194 MB in 2.00 seconds = 96.81 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 8 MB in 3.54 seconds = 2.26 MB/sec

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justinh:

hmm not helping is when freenx leaves oodles of old processes lying around

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justinh:

heh are ubuntu really moving the window controls to the left hand side? Quack quack OOPS

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justinh:

and no, it's not 'just like on a mac' cos the buttons are in a different order. oops indeedy

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oobe:

in what UI gnome?

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justinh1:

think so yeah. a new 'light' default theme

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justinh:

mmkay update manager. when were you planning to restart mysql hmm?

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justinh:

apache has been upgraded & restarted, and that came after the mysql install

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justinh:

pfft/ unoacking GIMP. Why bother?

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oobe:

yay this is articulate http://ubuntard.com/about/

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** oobe not very articulate **

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** justinh wonders who came up with that site.. by the look of it possibly the people this channel lost recently **

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justinh:

ugh why have I even got gstreamer junk on my machine?

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justinh:

oh THANKS ubuntu. Now I've got Pulseaudio on my box

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justinh:

on 8.04.. that's not nice you bastards

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justinh:

heh apparently it's installed by default

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justinh:

so it's not been forced on me after all. not that I even use sound on the backend

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Guest88941:

i need help installing nvidia driver on diskless FE

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Guest88941:

anyone?

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justinh1:

how is that any different to installing nvidia drivers on any other system? It's not, that's how

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justinh1:

and more a question for #DISTRO rather than here

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Guest88941:

its mythbuntu diskless

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justinh1:

there IS a #mythbuntu channel you know

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Guest88941:

oh ok thanks

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Guest88941:

justinh1 do I aptitude install from server or just use synaptic on FE

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Guest88941:

as diff FE need diff nvidia drivers

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justinh1:

thought the DOCUMENTS would say something like 'use the restricted driver manager'

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Guest88941:

i tried using hardware driver pop up on FE to install nvidia 96 but it just stop half way through install

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justinh1:

stick to asking in #mythbuntu :-)

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Guest88941:

well thanks

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** justinh1 waits for the "muh, but I get no answer within 30 seconds there" **

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justinh1:

if you have problems using the distro's own installer stuff there's not much anybody here can do to help

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justinh1:

besides this channel is for MYTHTV issues. not mythbuntu issues :)

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Guest88941:

ok heres a myth one

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Guest88941:

Id like to install myth 0.23 on karmic

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justinh1:

here's one: there IS NO 0.23

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Guest88941:

yes there is ......

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justinh1:

no. latest released version is 0.22-fixes

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Guest88941:

it comes with lucid

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justinh1:

there IS NO 0.23

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Guest88941:

I know its beta but it does work

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Guest88941:

Its a trunk version

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justinh1:

if anybody is calling the development version that they're incorrect

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justinh1:

and should be shot

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Guest88941:

I have used with lucid and it says in mythtv ver. 0.23

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justinh1:

that's wrong. it should NOT say 0.23

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Guest88941:

well it does....

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justinh1:

but it shouldn't

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justinh1:

so. install subversion, grab the build dependencies for trunk & build it yourself on karmic. job done

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justinh1:

packages of trunk are just plain wrong IMHO

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justinh1:

for one thing the version numbering is always screwed up it seems

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Guest88941:

I need to first install trunk repositry?

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justinh1:

no

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Guest88941:

oh

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justinh1:

I wouldn't advise that at all

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justinh1:

install subversion & check out trunk yourself

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Guest88941:

I dont know how to install subversion

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Guest88941:

no idea

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justinh1:

so then you're screwed

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Guest88941:

well thats why I ask

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Guest88941:

on xchat a myth master

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justinh1:

you don't know how to install a package on your distro. that's sad

[06:19:00]

justinh1:

a package called subversion. sheesh

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Guest88941:

if you not busy of course

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Guest88941:

I know how to apt-get install

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justinh1:

I don't do hand-holding step by step guides when users are too sodding lazy to find out stuff themselves

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exelnet:

heya. i am trying to import a dvd. the ripping works, but the transcode doesnt get scheduled.

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exelnet:

where can i get more information?

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exelnet:

i dont see any error in either the mythfrontend backend or mtd log

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megans:

Hello

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Kunalagon:

hm...this mythtv 0.22 does not work with analog capture cards... It looks like it cant scan for channels.

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justinh:

yup. analogue scanning is broken in 0.22

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justinh:

it's fixed in trunk though

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justinh:

so it'll be fine when 0.23 is released, presumably

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gbee:

are the cover images in mythweb supposed to work out of the box, or do they require additional setup, e.g. symlinking etc?

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justinh:

not sure if SG stuff works in mythweb

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gbee:

this is local

[09:00:36]

justinh:

generally supposed to be symlinked IIRC

[09:01:35]

gbee:

hmm, guess I'll be patching that then, no reason it shouldn't use the xml methods to retrieve the poster like it does for the preview images

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gbee:

ugh, Jamu is downloading faux boxart instead of the TMDB posters

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: What??? An example please/

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gbee:

about half the 132 films in my collection, but examples include Aliens, Babel, Batman Begins

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gbee:

http://images.themoviedb.org/posters/83931/folder.png instead of http://images.themoviedb.org/posters/6181/Aliens.jpg

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: I do not know what "faux boxart" is but Jamu downloads what TMDB ot TVDB has on their site as posters/coverart.

[09:27:41]

justinh:

eew who made that?

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gbee:

yeah. looks like someone has uploaded hundreds of these images in violation of the TMDB rules on what is allowed

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justinh:

the shadow looks like it's been done by hand (yuk)

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: Jamu cannot do anything about that. The same thing would happen with MythVideo. Give it a try.

[09:28:47]

gbee:

http://forums.themoviedb.org/topic/851/3d-dvdcovers/

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justinh:

he's done over 1000? Eeew

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: If they eventually id art work into categories then jamu and MythVideo could allow specification of a category priority but until then we are stuck.

[09:35:21]

justinh:

stupid bloomin users

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justinh:

be nicer if they were a little more like musicbrainz, but probably 50% less anal ;-)

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jaypetey:

Does anyone know how I can replace an original recording with a file created by a user job? Namely update the database. Simple is nice, but if I have to I could write a Python script.

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: I'm imagining that it's a choice themers might like, some themes just won't work well with those artworks (because of cropping, masking etc)

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: I agree but it will have to wait until they add an indicator. I suspect that will be a long time away considering that language support is still on hold until the v2 of the Web site is released.

[10:19:54]

gbee:

but I can see some themes being developed specifically around that style, although I'd always imagined that with the transformation matrix stuff planned for mythui that a better result would be achieved by generating the same effect in the application with ordinary poster/cover images

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: I've asked that they remove those images until the changes are made, right now they are completely screwing things up for apps where the users isn't prompted to choose the image they want

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: Makes sense but I suspect it will not happen as TMDB guys seem over worked as it is.

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gbee:

if they haven't got a 'remove all image contributions by this user' button then I'd be very surprised

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justinh:

IMHO it's pointless to submit that kind of image. let the app do the image mangling or leave it to individual users. don't force the tackyness on everybody

[10:30:30]

justinh:

wonder how long it'd have taken to submit that many images anyway, unless there's an app for it

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Beirdo:

argh

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** AndyCap is still fascinated by the amount of fake boxshot apps for app-devs there are. **

[10:42:15]

** Beirdo slaps the fit-pc2 do the floor :) **

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Beirdo:

it has DVI-D on an HDMI connector

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Beirdo:

but it's not "real" HDMI so the TV doesn't accept it

[10:43:06]

Beirdo:

and it comes with an adapter to DVI-D, but you need a DVI-D cable as well, and I don't have one

[10:43:19]

Beirdo:

I think I'll work on that when I get BACK from Seattle... thanks

[10:44:15]

AndyCap:

fit-pc2? you bought a poulsbo computer?

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Beirdo:

yes

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AndyCap:

O_o

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Beirdo:

and it WILL be usable as a frontend... with some work on my part

[10:44:54]

Beirdo:

actually, some friends bought it for me

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Beirdo:

:)

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sid3windr:

poulsbo :'(

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Beirdo:

whatever

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Beirdo:

the chipset's supported

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Beirdo:

granted, a binary driver, but it's supported in Linux

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sid3windr:

haha

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sid3windr:

I wish you good luck ;)

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Beirdo:

what mythtv needs to use it: vaapi

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sid3windr:

the fact that there is a binary driver does not mean it all works ;)

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Beirdo:

the thing SHIPS with Ubuntu running on it

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Beirdo:

it works

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sid3windr:

the fact that there is a binary driver does not mean it all works ;)

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sid3windr:

not even if its shipped with it

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Beirdo:

repeat yourself all day if you wish

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sid3windr:

I see you have no prior experience with the psb driver :)

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Beirdo:

I see you may have at some point, but likely not current.

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sid3windr:

if "shows gdm login" = works then yes, if you have the specific working version of the driver, it works

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sid3windr:

yes, very current

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sid3windr:

with ubuntu even

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

anyways.

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sid3windr:

I hope for you it does what you want though ;)

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Beirdo:

it's my time to waste, and my friends' money

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sid3windr:

:>

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Lizard123:

Hello, is there any option to reduce file size of recordings?, I'm recording from analog capture card and for 5 min it gives me a NUV file with size about 10GB

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justinh:

roflmao

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justinh:

it wouldn't be 2GB per minute

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Lizard123:

justinh: I don't know if that's normal, but I think I can't afford that, so I thought there could be a way to reduce that size

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gbee:

unless you've changed the default settings, you shouldn't be seeing 2GB/minute

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gbee:

it's closer to 2GB/hr for most

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Lizard123:

gbee: it really is, I've tried many times, and the result it's the same, sometimes it's 3GB for 3 min recording , default installation

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gbee:

then I'd have to suggest it's a driver bug

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justinh:

anyway problem is you're using a framegrabber, the least loved of all tuner card types

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justinh:

they 'work' but that's about all they've got going for them. no real use for making recordings in any kind of nice way

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Beirdo:

should still work though

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Beirdo:

whatever

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Beirdo:

I used one for ages

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Lizard123:

justinh: gbee: how could change that? please

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Beirdo:

just needs cpu

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justinh:

get a tv tuner card with onboard mpeg encoding :)

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justinh:

or go digital :)

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gbee:

Lizard123: which version of mythtv?

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gbee:

might be one of those ffmpeg api changes that switches bitrate from kb to bytes or similar

[11:00:06]

Lizard123:

well, I'm running mythbuntu 9.10

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gbee:

but debugging these things isn't going to be straightforward, not many people are still using framegrabbers, it's old tech

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justinh:

Lizard123: that doesn't say which mythtv version

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gbee:

justinh: it'll be 0.22

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justinh:

no guarantee, people can mess with packages themselves

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gbee:

I can't believe that no-one else has reported an issue in a 5 month old release, so I'm at a loss

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gbee:

then again, like I said, probably no-one is still using a framegrabber

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Lizard123:

well, In features says MythTV 0.22.0~zrc1

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gbee:

Lizard123: goto #mythbuntu ask them how to enable the update repos so you can install the latest 0.22 release (9.10 shipped with a beta)

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Lizard123:

gbee: how can I switch to any other but framegrabber?

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justinh:

Lizard123: change the card of course

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Lizard123:

please could you advice any card that could consume less disk resources. I've bought a Kworld TV card

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jhp:

Hi everyone. I'm looking for a DVB-C card that is properly supported in Linux with 2 tuners. I have found some with 1 tuner, but would like 2 tuners. Is their anything available?

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wagnerrp:

jhp: http://www.linuxtv.org/

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qazwsx:

does anyone use the ragetvgrab script? for me it just broken.

[11:21:28]

wagnerrp:

why not use the thetvdb.com grabber?

[11:22:35]

qazwsx:

didnt know about that one. I have been using the rage one for years. does the thetvdb one come with myth these days?

[11:22:47]

wagnerrp:

yes

[11:22:51]

wagnerrp:

what are you running?

[11:23:51]

Lizard123:

I think nobody is in #ubuntu-mythtv channel, could it be that's a Karmic bug. Recording at 2GB per minute, is it normal using framegrabber?

[11:23:54]

qazwsx:

ubuntu karmic with the latest updates (from inside ubuntu).

[11:24:49]

wagnerrp:

recording at 2GB/min is just not possible

[11:25:02]

wagnerrp:

youre reading something wrong

[11:25:15]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: well, maybe at 200fps. :-)

[11:26:21]

wagnerrp:

your framegrabber is only going to be pumping out ~900MB/min of raw video

[11:26:49]

wagnerrp:

i suppose if you include uncompressed audio, and youre converting to RGB somehow, 2GB/min could happen

[11:27:28]

wagnerrp:

but i doubt mythtv is even capable of breaking in such a way that the framegrabber input bypasses the transcoder

[11:28:01]

Lizard123:

wagnerrp: I'm using an analog TV card, my input is from cable, no other configuration at all, default installation

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iamlindoro:

pastebin a ls -al of a recording directory to show us what you mean

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gbee:

qazwsx: Press Info, then select Metadata Options > Download Metadata

[11:30:45]

wagnerrp:

qazwsx: or even better, press 'w'

[11:31:15]

gbee:

wagnerrp: I wasn't sure whether that action was bound by default

[11:31:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont recall ever setting it

[11:31:46]

wagnerrp:

which happened to work great, since it was already bound to my remote for aspect

[11:31:55]

Lizard123:

Well, I'm not at home now. However I'm really sure it's 10GB for a 5min of recording,and 6GB for 3 min recording. I wish I could show you, maybe this night

[11:32:11]

wagnerrp:

you have IRC... you dont have SSH?

[11:32:45]

Lizard123:

yes but my box is behind NAT

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wagnerrp:

you dont have it forwarded? with an IP registered somewhere?

[11:33:29]

wagnerrp:

i always assumed that was just 'what geeks do'...

[11:33:49]

Lizard123:

I'm a noob, sorry

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wagnerrp:

although on the opposite side... 6MB for 3 min is extremely low

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wagnerrp:

i would expect closer to 60MB for that length

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Lizard123:

6MB?

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Lizard123:

I wish I could have that rate

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wagnerrp:

no you dont, it would look like absolute crap

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sid3windr:

hey now

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sid3windr:

don't diss realaudio :>

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qazwsx:

gbee: the tv shows are in teh dbase yet since I have taken them off DVD to put in myth to watch.. I was using ragetvgrab to get the details of the show to put in the dbase to be able to watch them. wagnerrp turned me onto ttvdb.py

[11:48:06]

gbee:

qazwsx: you're doing it all backwards

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qazwsx:

gbee; doesnt surprise me.

[11:48:46]

gbee:

go into mythvideo, Menu > Scan Collection, then press W when the video is selected

[11:49:05]

mag0o:

haha, gotta have todays woot.com item!!

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qazwsx:

gbee: these arent movies they are tv shows.

[11:49:38]

gbee:

same deal

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wagnerrp:

qazwsx: you probably want to flush all of your video content out of mythtv first

[11:49:44]

wagnerrp:

let it rescan

[11:49:53]

wagnerrp:

and let it properly parse out season and episode numbers

[11:50:08]

wagnerrp:

the current grabber format does not work properly for TV shows unless it has those values

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qazwsx:

when I got into "Watch Recordngs" and hit the menu there is not scan (of any sorts).

[11:51:34]

gbee:

agh, attached the plug with difficulty to this cable before I put it in the conduit, now I've got to redo it :/

[11:51:43]

wagnerrp:

thats because 'watch recordings' is not, and never has been mythvideo

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qazwsx:

wagnerrp: I understand. these are TV shows not movies. I am trying to inject TV shows of DVDs into myth to watch. I used to use rage's script but it broke

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wagnerrp:

the grabber probably works fine

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wagnerrp:

but its having problems inserting data into the new mythvideo database schema

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qazwsx:

wagnerrp: the rage script is having problems getting data from tvrage.com not the insert into the dbase.. I think they changed their website (again) and broke the script

[11:54:55]

wagnerrp:

them changing their website would have made no difference

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gbee:

wagnerrp: he's inserting them as recordings ... which is messed up, but what some people did before mythvideo existed

[11:55:18]

wagnerrp:

unless your script was actually scraping the website, rather than properly using the API

[11:55:28]

wagnerrp:

in which case it should have been scrapped before it was ever written

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qazwsx:

wagnerrp: the url that the script uses doesnt exist anymore. it uses an url that has been moved and changed.

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qazwsx:

wasnt a page scraper but when the change from http://tvrage.com/quicklook.php..... to http://sevices.tvrage.com/<new scripts>/....

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wagnerrp:

ah

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qazwsx:

where the <new scripts> is replaced the single one into 4 or 5

[11:57:03]

wagnerrp:

hadnt realized there was a API change

[11:57:15]

qazwsx:

instead of one script doing all of it it is broken out.

[11:57:51]

qazwsx:

yeah.. I hacked around on the script and such before coming and asking questions..

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wagnerrp:

so youre trying to insert new recordings into mythtv, rather than using mythvideo?

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qazwsx:

yes.

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qazwsx:

why would I put tv shows in with my movies?

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qazwsx:

sorry for teh dumb questions

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo is supposed to be the place for all assorted non-recording video in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if you dont want them mixed in with your movies, just put them in separate folders

[12:01:40]

wagnerrp:

have a 'Movies' folder and a 'Television' folder

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qazwsx:

I will look into that.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: FWIW, the Rage grabber *is* a scraper, so your conclusions are correct

[12:05:43]

iamlindoro:

They have since created an API, but the script doesn't use it

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Yetiszaf:

Is there a way to be able to rewind during live-tv straight away?

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tank-man:

yea press left arrow key or pg up

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Yetiszaf:

Nope. Not working.

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tank-man:

i just tried it

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tank-man:

works for me

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Yetiszaf:

That only works if I pause the tv for 5 minutes and press ffwd

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iamlindoro:

If you want to rewind to a point before oyu started live TV, no, that's not possible

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iamlindoro:

since you're not recording until you *start* Live tv

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iamlindoro:

and no, there's no option to always be recording Live TV

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Yetiszaf:

well, the Live-picture has been running for 50 minutes.

[15:05:48]

Yetiszaf:

I wanted to rewind some because I missed something.

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Yetiszaf:

I somehow always have to pause for 5–6 minutes and then skip forward to be able to rewind.

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you have a crashed DB table and have broken/no seektable

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Yetiszaf:

where does that come from?

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wagnerrp:

the fact that something is not working as it should

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wagnerrp:

broken database table is the most likely conclusion

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justinh:

grr stupid kernel. Inappropriate ioctl for this device.

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jolaren:

Any Swede here with channel listing problems?

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justinh:

just trying to set DMA, for pity's sakes

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jolaren:

It just says UNKNOWN all over the EPG?

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jolaren:

Really annoying

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justinh:

trying to use EIT data or xmltv?

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jolaren:

tried both

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jolaren:

same error

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jolaren:

I can view tv just fien tho

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justinh:

for the latter every channel has to have an xmltvid associated with it in the channel table

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justinh:

no xmltvid, no EPG data will be inserted for the channel. Simples

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highzeth:

no issues with the .se xmltv epg feeds; http://xmltv.tvsajten.com/xmltv/00index.html all is normal

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jolaren:

justinh: Can I fix this without using the GUI? (I've been trying with teh GUI but without sucess)

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justinh:

using mythweb, sure

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justinh:

or mythtv-setup

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justinh:

or the channel editor in mythfrontend..

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wagnerrp:

using mythweb, for sufficiently few channels

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wagnerrp:

theres a bug where it ceases to function after 100 or so channels

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: not noticed that bug in fixes

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jolaren:

There's like 10 channels so I will give mythweb a try

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wagnerrp:

something to do with a HTML limitation in the number of editable fields

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justinh:

bah, I give up trying to do battle with hdparm

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: The listing works in mythweb

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jolaren:

But not in the client

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wagnerrp:

if the listings data shows up in mythweb, it will show up in the client

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justinh:

think I might just have to bite the bullet & put the new backend online.. which'll mean upgrading.. and that means I have to get that new theme up to snuff. Double bah

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iamlindoro:

That's the spirit

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: but it doesnt

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: might be utf-8 errors or something?

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jolaren:

It says UNKNOWN (unknown)

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wagnerrp:

it says that because there is no guide data in the database

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justinh:

'unknown' is the same in ascii as it is in wtf-8

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wagnerrp:

unknown means 'nothing (i have absolutely no data)'

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jolaren:

wagnerrp: but why does mythweb work?

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justinh:

the only way you could have guide data in mythweb but none in mythfrontend would be if they're talking to a different database

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highzeth:

if the xmltv id's aint attached to their proper channels it wont show up in the client tho, will it? Sure it will show in mythweb, albeit channel less

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justinh:

or that

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justinh:

like you've got channels in the channel table with xmltvids (and guide data shown) but no tuning info

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gbee:

it will still show in the client, but you'll have two of each channel, one with and one without guide data

[15:49:10]

wagnerrp:

is mythweb somehow running off a different database than mythfrontend?

[15:49:17]

justinh:

if only there was some way of making xmltv config much easier

[15:49:28]

jolaren:

wagnerrp: Is that even possible? Im using the stable weekly builds

[15:49:29]

gbee:

because of the retarded way we still insert channels sourced from xmltv into the database even though most people use digital and many listings sources have never included analogue tuning info anyway

[15:49:37]

highzeth:

ok, been years since I set it up, but I seem to recall those stray channels I had wrong xmltvid's in didnt show in the client

[15:49:40]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not have stable weekly builds

[15:49:48]

wagnerrp:

or unstable weekly builds

[15:49:55]

wagnerrp:

or release builds

[15:50:01]

wagnerrp:

or any other kind of builds

[15:50:05]

gbee:

or builds

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beeezn:

hi, i'm thinking about building a new fe/be combined mythbox. i was thinking about getting one of those ion chipsets, they seem like really worth the money! my question now: size doesn't matter that much to me, so mini-itx is absoluety not a must, i could happely go with micro atx. would you recommend paying a little bit more for a micro atx setup or go with the mini-itx one? (is ion capable enough for combined fe/be)?

[15:50:34]

beeezn:

i've read alot ion does perfectly play hd content as a frontend

[15:50:43]

beeezn:

but combined fe/be togheter with commflagging?

[15:50:44]

justinh:

if you've got channels in the xmltv config file which don't have an association by xmltvid in the channel table, mythfilldatabase will insert them into the db as blank unusable channels with good guide data

[15:50:53]

wagnerrp:

beeezn: you dont care about size... is power consumption a huge concern?

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highzeth:

beeezn: more imporantly, what tuners are you planning to get?

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justinh:

you don't care about size.. get a big fugly *proper* system with enough grunt to play back anything you can throw at it, and hide it :)

[15:52:15]

wagnerrp:

yeah, an ION system works fine for a frontend

[15:52:20]

wagnerrp:

but its VERY limiting for a backend

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wagnerrp:

limiting in hard drives, limiting in expansion cards

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beeezn:

no power consumption is not that much of a concern, i will use one dvb-c tuner for now

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wagnerrp:

and if youve got content that cannot play over VDPAU for whatever reason, youre pretty well SOL

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highzeth:

beeezn: if pci(-e) tuners, setup a "oldish" box with all the tuners and as justinh says, hide it. Then get a ION as a frontend. Big + on the WAF

[15:52:54]

jolaren:

btw wagnerrp, I solved my problem (or not really but kinda) I bought a antenna splitter and one end goes to the tv and one to the server so I can atleast record the free ones

[15:52:59]

justinh:

one tuner? heh. I remember when one was enough

[15:53:02]

beeezn:

yeah it is a pci card

[15:53:26]

wagnerrp:

if power concern isnt a big issue, just get a nice AMD dual core, and nvidia microatx board

[15:53:29]

beeezn:

well those ion sets are just so cheap

[15:53:37]

beeezn:

that is why i started looking at them

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wagnerrp:

should run you about as much as an ION set

[15:53:41]

justinh:

beeezn: ion will be no good for commflagging etc

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beeezn:

ok wagnerrp will take a look! thx!

[16:00:12]

beeezn:

hmm, mabye i'm just blind but i can't find any good micro-atx boards with solid nvidia gpu onboard (vdpau support). most of them have amd chips onboard. but getting a dedicated nvidia gpu mean more money

[16:01:32]

wagnerrp:

the amd ones are $50-$70

[16:01:37]

highzeth:

seriously consider splitting be & fe up, and get a ION as frontend. I cannot tell you how happy we are with that setup. =)

[16:01:38]

wagnerrp:

the nvidia ones are $70-$90

[16:02:14]

beeezn:

yeah but splitting means double the money :)

[16:02:20]

beeezn:

ups

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highzeth:

you *will* want another tuner (or more) in the near future, would be kinda sad if you had no pci(e) slots left in on the mobo then wouldnt it?

[16:02:33]

beeezn:

wagnerrp, you mean dedicated gpus with these prices?

[16:02:38]

wagnerrp:

you dont have an old spare machine laying around?

[16:02:55]

beeezn:

well i do have an old athlon xp 2000+ around

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wagnerrp:

thats plenty good for a digital tuner

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highzeth:

there you go ;)

[16:03:18]

wagnerrp:

and it will probably still be more powerful than a new Atom machine

[16:03:36]

highzeth:

and Im sure its mobo got atleast 3 pci slots?

[16:03:40]

beeezn:

yeas

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beeezn:

-a

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beeezn:

hmm yeah maybe i can hide that old loud machine somewhere and get an ion frontend

[16:04:06]

wagnerrp:

looks like newegg currently has two nvidia boards

[16:04:15]

highzeth:

so get a acer revo 3600/3601 as a frontend, and use the xp2000 as a be and hide it away =)

[16:04:20]

wagnerrp:

one asrock for $55, and one asus for $65

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beeezn:

but that old xp2000 machine is loud

[16:05:24]

wagnerrp:

and the Regor chips start at $53

[16:05:29]

beeezn:

need to really hide somewhere

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beeezn:

^

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wagnerrp:

beeezn: so like justinh said, hide it

[16:06:27]

wagnerrp:

ive got most of my machines hidden in a cold dark corner of the basement

[16:06:56]

wagnerrp:

keeps them cool, makes the basement a bit warmer, makes my office so much more bearable

[16:07:22]

highzeth:

the only thing you might wanna consider then is the PSU in the XP box, unless it has enough grunt as-is. Toss in all the hdd's you need there

[16:07:52]

justinh:

the great thing about mythtv is that you don't *need* to have it all in one box :)

[16:07:56]

beeezn:

well the psu that is in there is actually quite new and good i think, got that one from another machine

[16:08:26]

wagnerrp:

thats a 89W chip, plus maybe 30W for all the other hardware

[16:08:42]

highzeth:

sounds like you got what you need for a good BE then, how much RAM you got in it?

[16:08:43]

wagnerrp:

a 300W in there is going to run at least 5–6 hard drives before you might run into spinup issues

[16:08:55]

beeezn:

i think its a 350

[16:08:56]

wagnerrp:

anything 1GB or more is plenty for a backend

[16:09:00]

beeezn:

1gb is in there

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beeezn:

right now

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justinh:

plus, keeping CPUs & GPUs cool quietly is enough of an issue without adding tuner cards & HDDs to the mix

[16:09:34]

justinh:

wagnerrp: unless it's a '300W' PSU of course. Seen plenty of those fail to stay on with even 3 HDDs coming up

[16:10:05]

wagnerrp:

ok... s/300W/actual 300W with decent 12V rails/

[16:10:17]

justinh:

heh

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beeezn:

man those hdds are cheap these days, haven't bought one for years, and now i get 2tb for i use to pay for 120gb

[16:10:33]

wagnerrp:

older supplies liked to dump a lot more power onto the 3.3/5V rails

[16:10:43]

justinh:

you can count the amount of *actual* W PSUs on one hand compared to the junk that comes with the majority of cases

[16:11:39]

wagnerrp:

and some of those cheap PSUs either choke or burn up when run for extended periods at even 50W below their rated power

[16:12:39]

wagnerrp:

i imagine those cheapo 1kW 'Ultra' supplies wont even get within a few hundred watts

[16:12:50]

beeezn:

i know i said power consumption is not that much of an issue, but anyhow, the xp2000 system probably sucks up way more power than an ion?

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wagnerrp:

not without violent voltage offsets anyway

[16:13:07]

jolaren:

Is it possible somehow to make mythtvfrontend/backend exit gdm when not in use?

[16:13:20]

wagnerrp:

jolaren: dont run GDM

[16:13:54]

wagnerrp:

start X manually, with a basic window manager in the background, and mythfe as the primary task

[16:14:04]

wagnerrp:

the X server will shut down as soon as the primary task exits

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Beirdo:

you can do that from gdm though, using an init file

[16:14:33]

wagnerrp:

but why bother?

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Beirdo:

it used to be .xinitrc or .Xsession, but who knows

[16:14:48]

bjd:

cos it's easy

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Beirdo:

maybe he wants to have other logins that he uses when not using myth?

[16:14:54]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

exit gdm? or exit TO gdm?

[16:15:20]

justinh:

why bother even stopping gdm? I mean...

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wagnerrp:

two completely different things

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Beirdo:

oh, that's a good distinction too

[16:17:12]

jolaren:

wagnerrp: I'm running mythbuntu, I'm guessing it's running gdm by default.

[16:17:20]

jolaren:

I guess I could uninstall gdm and just go with the startx as you mentioned

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justinh:

because X hogs so much CPU & RAM of course...

[16:18:39]

wagnerrp:

or just not run gdm

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wagnerrp:

no sense bothering to recover that couple hundred KB of disk space

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gbee:

beeezn: asus make some good matx boards with nvidia GPUs (/me has two)

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gbee:

damn, there I go replying to a conversation from earlier in the night

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beeezn:

thx gbee, but i can't find some with vdpau capable gpus

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wagnerrp:

can you find any with nvidia gpus?

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beeezn:

yes older nvidia gpus

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beeezn:

mom

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wagnerrp:

what gpus?

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iamlindoro:

P5N7A-VM, Zotac 9300, etc. etc.

[16:57:39]

iamlindoro:

and a gigabyte model whose number escapes me

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beeezn:

geforce 6150

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gbee:

beeezn: there are dozens of matx boards with 8200, 8300, 9300 or 9400 IGPs, they aren't as easy to find as the AMD based boards but they aren't rare either

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beeezn:

ok thx will have a look

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wagnerrp:

beeezn: youre just not looking hard enough

[17:00:14]

wagnerrp:

20 seconds on toppreise.ch and i find half a dozen boards

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beeezn:

yep it looks like i'm too stupid :)

[17:01:10]

beeezn:

hmm but what cpu socket were you looking at?

[17:01:15]

beeezn:

the newer amd ones are am3 not?

[17:01:17]

wagnerrp:

AM3

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wagnerrp:

ive got the older version of this... http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_169762.html

[17:01:41]

wagnerrp:

works great

[17:02:11]

wagnerrp:

heres the gigabyte model iamlindoro was mentioning... http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_166532.html

[17:02:22]

Beirdo:

blargh

[17:02:36]

Beirdo:

need 2 more fantasy baseball tem owners

[17:02:50]

Beirdo:

team rather

[17:02:57]

wagnerrp:

actually, no... he was talking about Intel boards

[17:03:04]

Beirdo:

why my friends like to bail at the last second, I dunno

[17:03:23]

wagnerrp:

the intel stuff is all considerably more expensive

[17:04:46]

beeezn:

DFI LANParty JR GF9400-T2RS looks interesting

[17:04:48]

beeezn:

onboard 9400

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wagnerrp:

wait... a TiVo never shuts off?

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beeezn:

btw big thx all of guys, rarely seen such a helpful channel on irc

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iamlindoro:

Heh, We always hear one extreme or the other

[17:06:20]

iamlindoro:

Love us or hate us, you'll feel strongly about us one way or another

[17:06:26]

wagnerrp:

tell the people who storm off like a child because we wont help them play their pirated and poorly encoded content

[17:07:52]

AndyCap:

beeezn: can it pxe boot?

[17:08:05]

beeezn:

well if they how to download stuff they should know how to play it, if not they'd better not download...

[17:08:17]

beeezn:

no idea AndyCap

[17:08:33]

beeezn:

will check

[17:08:40]

AndyCap:

beeezn: just had a problem with that with some other dfi boards. very very annoying if you want to do that

[17:09:01]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: ive got a infinity that i use PXE on

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wagnerrp:

ive not actually seen a board with onboard network that doesnt do PXE

[17:09:45]

beeezn:

but wait this is astually an intel board

[17:09:48]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: dfi lanparty ut3h8 or something

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AndyCap:

bingo http://www.csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10492

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: but yeah, up until that one I don't think I've seen one either

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wagnerrp:

weve got hundreds of machines at work running off those same marvell yukon chips

[17:16:04]

wagnerrp:

pxe booting, that is

[17:17:04]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yeah, it's not marvell who c***** this up

[17:17:09]

AndyCap:

it's dfi

[17:17:43]

AndyCap:

it's not that hard to stuff the marvell pxe rom in the image.

[17:17:51]

wagnerrp:

im just happy companies are using something other than realtek

[17:18:09]

AndyCap:

would prefer intel though, but yeah

[17:18:25]

wagnerrp:

seriously... thats probably what.... a $250 board?

[17:18:38]

wagnerrp:

why dont they put a nice network card on there

[17:19:00]

wagnerrp:

im half surprised the X58 doesnt just come with one built in

[17:19:05]

wagnerrp:

or two even

[17:19:45]

AndyCap:

yeah, intel should have it in the chipset.

[17:21:24]

Beirdo:

tzanger: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2320663/pwmleddrv.pdf

[17:21:40]

wagnerrp:

and they still have pata, floppy, two pci, and key/mouse

[17:21:50]

wagnerrp:

one would have figured we would be beyond that

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** AndyCap sees an op-amp **

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Beirdo:

and a pile of transistors, yes :)

[17:22:50]

wagnerrp:

the only reason to have pata is... there is no good reason because anyone shelling out for an x58 would have converted to sata years ago

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wagnerrp:

and a floppy? why arent bioses capable of pulling rom images from a usb mass storage device (flash drive)

[17:23:40]

AndyCap:

a lot of them are these days.

[17:23:47]

AndyCap:

aflash.exe in the rom too.

[17:23:48]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: to use DVD burners, etc

[17:24:05]

AndyCap:

still that's no longer in intels chipset is it.

[17:24:08]

Beirdo:

certainly (hopefully not) for drives :)

[17:24:15]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ive had a SATA DVD burner since like 2006

[17:24:23]

AndyCap:

usually an extra jmicron or so ide controller on the board

[17:24:31]

Beirdo:

heh, well, many people have a pile of em around

[17:24:31]

wagnerrp:

and havent had a single PATA part in my desktop since then

[17:24:54]

wagnerrp:

again, these are people buying an X58 board

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** AndyCap is so happy with his intel DG45FC board **

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jams:

oh boy jmicron

[17:25:13]

wagnerrp:

the kind of people who are going to drop $2k on a system, because they _need_ those three graphics cards

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Beirdo:

doesn't mean they want to replace EVERYTHING they own ;)

[17:25:32]

Beirdo:

they will once gputrans is finished :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: nah, then they'll go looking for one with room for 4.

[17:25:52]

AndyCap:

:P

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Beirdo:

true nuff

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smithna:

Are there any *swiches* to turn-on vdpau support? I fixed the profile per the wiki, but I get the following error message — VDP: Ignoring profile item 45 (decoder vdpau is not supported (supported: ffmpeg,libmpeg2,xvmc,xvmc-vld))

[17:26:43]

AndyCap:

ah, they're even here http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1952&page=3

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iamlindoro:

smithna: need to have compiled with vdpau support and have the vdpau headers on your system when doing so

[17:28:08]

wagnerrp:

smithna: you have to have them compiles in

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smithna:

I compiled via svn with the --enable-vdpau confiure option

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smithna:

i assume vdpau headers come with the nvidia drivers...

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wagnerrp:

then libvdpau was likely not installed when you did so

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wagnerrp:

depends on the version

[17:30:02]

wagnerrp:

190 or later, they were in a separate library

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah... but nobody is forcing them to upgrade

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** smithna goes off to check **

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sphery:

agreed... run MythTV 0.22-fixes (or 0.21-fixes) if they have old hardware

[17:32:00]

sphery:

just like Via users can't upgrade kernels--because the driver in the new kernel breaks XvMC--they won't be able to upgrade MythTV, either

[17:32:14]

sphery:

so they either stick with old versions of Myth or they upgrade hardware so they can upgrade Myth

[17:32:21]

sphery:

but that's just my opinion

[17:33:07]

sphery:

On the bright side, I'm not the guy who has to maintain the XvMC code :)

[17:33:07]

sphery:

oh, and I would actually have to upgrade hardware if they do drop Xv support

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sphery:

gbee: oh, I see you already noticed my stealing #8127 out from under you :)

[17:34:34]

sphery:

gbee: if we come up with a plan for fixing the invalid programid creation, I'll change the ticket title

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: good catch concerning ticket #7713 and the submitter using 'video as timebase'

[17:39:49]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Heh, thanks-- I am anxious to see some of these closed-- if I were ballsier I would push a fair number of them to .24

[17:40:14]

elmojo:

which brings up a good point... should we go ahead and at least disable that 'feature' for 0.23 since it causes nothing but issues?

[17:40:29]

iamlindoro:

I am 1000% for that

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iamlindoro:

ping #mythtv and I'll happily support

[17:40:50]

iamlindoro:

I'm not aware of it fixing *anything*, ever

[17:41:17]

elmojo:

I thought I was in #mythtv!

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wagnerrp:

the lines of reality are blurring

[17:43:46]

AndyCap:

elmojo: welcome to the pit of despair.

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elmojo:

I really should leave permanently

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, good catch! :)

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iamlindoro:

Just imagine how much we could get done if smart people were reading these tickets ;)

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sphery:

elmojo: As long as you're here, it would be wonderful if you could look at #7951 . I think it just needs closed/invalid. I was unable to reproduce the segfault with trunk (see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7951#comment:5 ). I didn't get video, but I think that's because the clip is so short. I did get lots of libav* log spam, but that may be expected (and/or related to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6729 ).

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elmojo:

sphery: ah yes... I forgot about that... ping me again tonight if you don't hear from me

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sphery:

elmojo: thx

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javajunky:

Anyone in the uk experienced problems with DVB-T scheduled tonight? .. Mine have all disappeared all of a sudden, no idea why , can't see any errors in any of the logs :( .. I assume its just me as I can't see anythign on the ML .

[18:17:26]

justinh:

use femon to see what the tuner status is

[18:17:53]

** dustybin reads tickets **

[18:17:56]

justinh:

assuming it still has a lock, then the signal is ok. if not, check out your tuners

[18:18:07]

justinh:

check the aerial connections etc

[18:18:41]

justinh:

and then see if there's any engineering work scheduled on your local mast.. maybe your area is switching to digital & you need to rescan

[18:18:51]

javajunky:

Oh I'm watching tv at the mo, and I've rescanned fine

[18:19:00]

javajunky:

I just have *no* listings at ll :(

[18:19:17]

justinh:

oh listing data

[18:19:22]

justinh:

you could've said

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justinh:

EIT data only or xmltv?

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javajunky:

sorry, EIT

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justinh:

which area are you in?

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justinh:

got good EIT data here for WinterHill :)

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javajunky:

Winterhill (irony)

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gbee:

javajunky: and just to be clear, you haven't made any changes to configs or rescanned recently?

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javajunky:

No changes to configs… I have rescanned *AFTER* the problem occurred, mythweb currently has: 'There's guide data until 2010-03–08 21:00.' on its backend status page.

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javajunky:

I've also apt-get updated to the most recent ubuntu debs

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javajunky:

(again after the problem occurred)

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smithna:

reinstalled everything — vdpau seems to work... thanks

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justinh:

javajunky: check your database tables

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justinh:

mysqlcheck etc :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: BTW, I should admit I've very biased against XvMC because I've always seen it as a solution with more constraints than benefits. That said, I'm very much unaffected by whether XvMC is kept or not (other than seeing the occasional mention from someone on the lists or here trying to get it working).

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kormoc:

javajunky: in mythweb go to settings->database and click the repair button

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javajunky:

oooo there are some problems, fingers-crossed.

[18:39:13]

javajunky:

…running myisasmchk atm.

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gbee:

XvMC has always been close to useless and with some significant disadvantages

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sphery:

I don't know how ugly the code is, so I can't really even give any good reasoning for whether to keep it or not other than getting rid of it meaning less code.

[18:39:57]

sphery:

gbee: that was always my opinion, too, which is why I made the comment about removing XvMC, regardless of what happens with Xv

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gbee:

I'm sorry for those people who made the mistake of buying Via hardware, I really am, but from what justinh said about how poorly his ran with 0.21, I'm surprised they'd even try to run 0.22 or later

[18:42:08]

sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

gbee: cause we dedicated our time to fixing via support, didn't cha know?

[18:43:03]

javajunky:

db tables seem ok, but there were a couple of issues, fingers crossed the data will start populating :)

[18:44:59]

gbee:

and another thing, since when has it been acceptable to expect that you'll always be able to run the latest software no matter how old your hardware? Even Microsoft increase Windows' minimum requirements with each release and they have hundreds (thousands?) of _paid_ programmers working on it

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justinh:

xvmc on my old via frontend was a complete lifeline. it actually offered near complete cpu offload of sdtv mpeg2, if not total :)

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kormoc:

gbee: well, you just don't understand open source!

[18:46:01]

gbee:

;)

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justinh:

playback without xvmc just wasn't possible.. not at more than 10fps

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devinheitmueller:

until VDPAU came around, Xvmc was pretty much the *only* way you could afford to do decent deinterlacing...

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iamlindoro:

I can't be the only guy out there who is quite fond of the high quality software and GL deinterlacers :)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: sure, they're awesome, if you have a quad core.

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iamlindoro:

I do! :)

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devinheitmueller:

I tried out the software deinterlacer on a machine I only bought a few months ago (meaning it was relatively modern), and the software deinterlacers still couldn't keep up.

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iamlindoro:

and if your project has smart developers who have gradually rewritten the deinterlacers to be multithreaded, which we do :)

[18:50:48]

** iamlindoro sends beer to mark **

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iamlindoro:

Which is not to say that all of them are multithreaded yet, btw

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: I know that one of Mark's big tasks in rewriting video output in the OSD branch is reworking how the UI /video/deinterlacing are threaded-- I suspect if he can get it worked out to his satisfaction that we may see a substantial performance improvement

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rkuris:

Is svn.mythtv.org down?

[18:54:14]

rkuris:

Or should I say, was it down?

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justinh:

not down now

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: it's entirely possible. I don't claim to be familiar with the internals of how it is implemented – I can only speak from an "end user experience" standpoint in this case.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: sure-- I will say that from all indications over the past year or so, we are very lucky indeed to have Mark K doing as much as he is

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devinheitmueller:

I wouldn't doubt it.

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iamlindoro:

and I think once the -osd branch gets merged, it will open the door for a lot of neat new stuff built on new, clean code

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: wow this is painful.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: hahah, yeah, I don't envy you

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: A shiny nickel says whatever he's compiling for is already supported in his kernel too )

[19:03:42]

iamlindoro:

and that he's just not setting up properly :)

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devinheitmueller:

idiot

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: What deinterlacing do you get from XvMC? Doesn't XvMC just /limit/ your choice of deinterlacers to Bob only?

[19:05:48]

sphery:

(where you can also choose bob with Xv and GL and VDPAU--if you like it)

[19:06:11]

sphery:

I may be wrong, though--I don't use XvMC.

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: I believe that XvMC does let you do Bob only, but I'm talking about the performance of the standard software deinterlacers, and how poorly they perform in general, and how deinterlacing is really only feasible with XvMC (via Bob deinterlacing)

[19:08:51]

sphery:

Ah. Well, in theory kernel and one field (and maybe linear blend) should be little extra effort. Bob is definitely the least effort (but I don't know about bob 2x--or if it's even different). Though, as iamlindoro mentioned, having the deinterlacing in a separate thread (for 0.23) will be a great boon for multi-core/multi-proc systems.

[19:09:35]

sphery:

I will admit that some of the best software deinterlacing will kill even a pretty powerful system (versus an iamlindoro system, which could keep up with it :)

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, without Xvmc I've definitely seen cases where the CPU is at 100%, even on modern hardware.

[19:10:02]

devinheitmueller:

... at which point I would rather have interlaced content than frame dropping.

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iamlindoro:

Another thing that helped (with H.264 anyway) recently is the ffmpeg sync, which someone benchmarked at 15% faster decoding for that material

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sphery:

for me the biggest help is using a reasonably powerful CPU (Athlon X2 4800+ and Athlon X2 6000+) and only US OTA MPEG-2 :)

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gbee:

XvMC was mpeg2 only and I'm genuinely surprised that anyone has found XvMC to still be necessary with modern (1.5Ghz and up) cpus

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sphery:

if I ever decide to do Blu Ray, I will likely do it as I do DVD's--with a STB

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** kormoc thinks he needs to do another update **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Thought you updated since the sync?

[19:12:40]

iamlindoro:

Guess my personal desk calendar of kormoc's svn ups must be off

[19:12:46]

iamlindoro:

oh, shoot, this is the 2009 one

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devinheitmueller:

gbee: The XvMC BOB deinterlacer didn't work with analog recorded content?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: 23541?

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, Capt M said he's using some MSN TV something or another, so with something like that, perhaps, but it's still /very/ limiting.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: 23525 was the sync

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kormoc:

oh snaz

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iamlindoro:

so juuuust after

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kormoc:

does it affect commflagging?

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iamlindoro:

jan ne mentioned a benchmarked 15% speedup w/ H.264

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kormoc:

%s/affect/help/

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iamlindoro:

I don't know, but I should think so

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kormoc:

that'd be awesome

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kormoc:

my mini couldn't handle the commflagging before, 15% might just be enough

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: wow, we've reached a new low...

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highzeth:

devinheitmueller: thank you for tonight entertainment, you are a real champ

[19:18:37]

devinheitmueller:

I do what I can.

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highzeth:

its a real horror docu this one

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sphery:

kormoc: BTW, are you OK with my adding words like in mythfrontend to the manual schedule page after the start date (something like "For daily recordings, 5 weekdays if Start Date is a week day or 7 days per week if Start Date is a weekend day"--better suggestions appreciated).

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sphery:

perhaps "is a weekday" (since the frontend uses "5 weekdays" and that's what I quoted)

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kormoc:

That's great, just wrap it in a echo t('string'); so it can be translated :)

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sphery:

no space, that is

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sphery:

ok, will do

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sphery:

the translators will love the last-minute addition :)

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sphery:

especially those who have submitted complete translations

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kormoc:

I really do want to look into using the frontend translations with mythweb so we can share these common ones

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sphery:

that would be nice

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devinheitmueller:

god help me.

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kormoc:

devinheitmueller: users?

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devinheitmueller:

ugh.

[19:24:11]

devinheitmueller:

kormoc: yeah.

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devinheitmueller:

Having "fun" explaining how to run "ls" on a file over in #linuxtv.

[19:24:31]

devinheitmueller:

It's PAINFUL.

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sphery:

kormoc: in mythfrontend, the actual words are "5 weekdays if daily" and "7 days per week if daily" and it toggles which is displayed based on the day specified for Start Date (so the user has no idea how to change it from 5/wk to 7/wk--they don't see the "other" side of the coin/the explanation for how the decision is made)

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kormoc:

wow

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sphery:

I don't know JS well enough to do that type of conditional display

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sphery:

and, I really believe that explaining the rules is better than forcing users to randomly change dates and figure out the pattern :)

[19:25:41]

sphery:

gbee's recommended approach is good, but that's /way/ beyond me

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sphery:

Of course, this doesn't explain how the find date and find time work for find daily/find weekly rules (which is the other place we encode meaning into the starttime)

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sphery:

so one day we'll get someone's ticket for that... followed by my explaining the rules, then the ticket getting closed, and then the anon user saying, "If your doctor told you to find a pill once a week, would you really think that means a week starting exactly at the point when he says that..." :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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gbee:

sphery: I've every intention of improving the frontend behaviour in much the same way as I proposed for mythweb, and I can do the mythweb side too as I'm versed in javascript/DOM/html/php, but I'm short on time and figured that someone more familiar with mythweb might want to do it instead

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kormoc:

I'm actually getting free time again, and so after my move here, I'd be able to polish it up

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, r23697, you are my hero!

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: hopefully that will prevent future chaos

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iamlindoro:

hope so :)

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elmojo:

sphery: anything else you can think of that needs to be done?

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sphery:

elmojo: not off the top of my head

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sphery:

I'll do some quick checks when I get my dev box up again

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elmojo:

ok, thanks

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elmojo:

sphery: have you took power usage numbers for your Regor 240 yet?

[20:57:35]

elmojo:

probably going to upgrade soon

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sphery:

elmojo: The numbers I have in my notes look suspect... They show an increase from an average of 50.836kWh/mo to 76.216kWh/mo when switching from an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ to a 65W AMD Athlon II X2 240. Granted, it's all new mobo and a switch from 512MB DDR to 4GB DDR2, but the chipset should be a lot more efficient than the old. Then again, it's possible that the 1700+ wasn't the 64W TDP (Palomino) version, but a newer 49.5W or ...

[21:04:40]

sphery:

... 51W TDP (Thoroughbred A/B) version...

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elmojo:

sphery: I'm running an XP3000+ right now and see 120W at the wall

[21:06:10]

sphery:

actually, it's quite possible that is accurate... So, between the 1/2GB RAM to 4GB RAM and the CPU and mobo usage, it did increase by about 50%

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elmojo:

was hoping a new AMD setup would be < 80 watts at the wall

[21:06:25]

elmojo:

that's terrible

[21:06:33]

sphery:

same HDD and PSU, mobo has CPU/RAM/single HDD and no other peripherals.

[21:06:47]

sphery:

but now it's a dual-core

[21:07:25]

sphery:

oh, and the 76.216kWh/mo (which is an average draw of 105.86W at the wall) is while running BOINC/SETI@home 24/7/52

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elmojo:

how much does that load the CPU?

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kormoc:

100% for both cores

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sphery:

the majority of the power usage savings with new CPU's is in the idle/power savings features of the newer CPU's

[21:08:09]

sphery:

right, 100% x 2 cores

[21:08:19]

sphery:

so no Cool 'n' Quiet for me :)

[21:08:26]

elmojo:

cool, wonder what you see at the wall while idle

[21:08:43]

elmojo:

sphery: why are you running that?

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sphery:

to find the aliens

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sphery:

I haven't run any idle tests

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elmojo:

sphery: I've even thought about going with a Sempron

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kormoc:

They are tricksy, those aliens, hiding behind the space dust...

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sphery:

I can do that sometime, but it will be a while (I broke my dev box to allow me to try to reproduce the 7%/14% CPU usage issue so I can see when Qt fixed it)

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sphery:

so concentrating on my dev box, now

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sphery:

yay, I have a Myth dev box, again

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iamlindoro:

If you want to take a vacation from development, you don't have to make up stories or crash systems, you know

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know much of the perl bindings? i cant seem to find any 'DELETE_RECORDING' call in there

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wagnerrp:

about to fire off an email to Keith Edmunds on the list on how to delete recordings from a script

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sphery:

kormoc: see, that's how it's done... my dev box was out of action for only 3 hours

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the perl bindings only have a backend_command call

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wagnerrp:

sounds good, thats the best i could come up with (and thats the source line i linked him to)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you have to actually know what command to send and what arguments and what it returns and how to parse what it returns (or to pass it to the thing that creates recordings from rows or ...)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i also linked him to the backend protocol documentation for the command on the wiki

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sphery:

i.e. perl bindings are like C++ and the python bindings are like Qt

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sphery:

better would be to convince him to use the python bindings :)

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wagnerrp:

well for one, i linked him to semi-complete wiki documentation, the other linked him to the source on trac

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wagnerrp:

he can choose for himself

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sphery:

there, I tried to sell him on the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

will trac even provide IP addresses for anonymous users? (in reference to #7940)

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sphery:

you can get to them (need an account to do so)... trying to remember how

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iamlindoro:

admin, spam

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iamlindoro:

(monitoring)

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sphery:

nice backtrace in the description....

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

can i mark a recorder as offline without stopping the entire backend?

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wagnerrp:

i guess i can always lock it

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wagnerrp:

seems every time ive had a recording fail in the last two weeks

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wagnerrp:

its been on the secondary tuner on my HDHR

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so shoudl we mark that entry as spam?

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wagnerrp:

well its not advertising anything, its just retarded

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iamlindoro:

I tend to agree w/ wagnerrp

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sphery:

wagnerrp: could always do the EXECTV thing for it and never release it back

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sphery:

(whatever the proto command is)

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sphery:

I'm sure with the python bindings you could whip up the script in seconds :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it wont let me lock it, because one of the virtual tuners is already in use

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sphery:

ahh

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andreax:

Anyone got an idea, why mythwelcome (or better sudo) is still asking for password when the frontend should shutdown? I made the relevant entries in /etc/sudoers and from terminal the mythtv-user is able to shutdown the system. From mythwelcome not...

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wagnerrp:

looks like im losing two recordings tonight

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wagnerrp:

the other three fell (or will fall) onto the good tuner

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sphery:

wow, iamlindoro will be jealous that you have 2 more LOST recordings than he does

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andreax:

I mean from terminal it wont ask for a password, from mythwelcome i get that question....

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iamlindoro:

har har har

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sphery:

wagnerrp: have you tried stopping the recording in progress? Shouldn't restart if you stop it properly.

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sphery:

then you can check that tuner out

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sphery:

andreax: trunk?

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andreax:

sphery: yeah

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sphery:

is this something it just started doing?

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sphery:

like, maybe, after upgrading to a revision >= r23560

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sphery:

or is this the first time you've tried to configure it?

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wagnerrp:

and there goes the other tuner.... theyve both locked

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andreax:

sphery: Cant answer that correctly, i reinstalled the whole machine 2 days ago...

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sphery:

(actually, could have started as early as 23518

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andreax:

But before it was working...

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sphery:

then it's probably your sudo config... unfortunately, I don't know sudoers

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sphery:

I have it working in a very restricted condition, so I won't be any help

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sphery:

might want to check with the ubuntu channel

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andreax:

Lost all the renderers and deinterlacers a while ago, after some tries to fix this, i reinstall the whole machine...

[22:07:12]

andreax:

Crazy thing is i can halt and reboot the machine from the terminal. There i got no question for a password. But when mythwelcome (or frontend) try to do the same thing, it asks for a pw.

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sphery:

different users?

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sphery:

mythfrontend running as mythtv user or something?

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andreax:

Nono, both mythtv.

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sphery:

different sessions, perhaps?

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andreax:

mythtv (user) is running mythwelcome. And i tried it from a remote terminal as the same user.

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andreax:

I think so, the one is on xorg, the other the pure terminal.

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sphery:

I'm not sure what it could be

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sphery:

sorry (and good luck with it!)

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andreax:

:) thx anyways..

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