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beata-:

anyone running ubuntu 10.04 and having lirc problems w/ using pvr-250 for ir

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beata-:

also running .23-fixes as of today anyone seen when running scan for changes in mythvideo that it wipes away art fanart/banners from the videos?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23, all videos are hashed, so even moving them to a different location would not wipe it out

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wagnerrp:

the only way you can clear your artwork from mythvideo is to completely remove them from any paths scanned by mythvideo

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beata-:

wagnerrp im not moving the files. step i Press w on a video it downloads the metadata, i see the artwork being displayed. I then press m->scan for changes. I goto the same file, and see no artwork

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beata-:

step i=step 1

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beata-:

hm bed debug more tommrow

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DQn3tsWRK:

y0 anyone awake?

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DQn3tsWRK:

i got mythtv working earlier for about 10 minutes

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DQn3tsWRK:

then it quit

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DQn3tsWRK:

now it wont do live tv, again

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DQn3tsWRK:

http://pastebin.com/FMFmipT3

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DQn3tsWRK:

theres the log output

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DQn3tsWRK:

gonna reboot, brb

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wagnerrp:

ive say weve got two more good spam candidates just added to the wiki

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dellph:

how do i update the database of mythtv? I got this error in my frontend this version of mythtv requires an updated database (schema is 10 version behind). any ideas?

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dellph:

hello anybody here? :)

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stuartm:

dellph: upgrade all components, backend, frontend, plugins

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stuartm:

the database update will happen automatically

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dellph:

stuartm, I am using ubuntu lucid. the version .23

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dellph:

but my server is .22

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dellph:

ubuntu koala

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dellph:

any ideas where can i get .23 for ubuntu koala?

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stuartm:

I'd ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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dellph:

stuartm, thanks

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oobe:

haha ubuntu have setup there versions nicely now ppl can go rounding saying how to i upgrade my koala to lucifer

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Guest87706:

any idea why metadata are not persistent in mythvideo ? I am able to download them but when I go back to main menu and try again to view them they simply vanish...

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stuartm:

only reason I can think for that happening is that it's not able to write to the DB

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stuartm:

Guest87706: I'm assuming 0.22+ ?

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Guest87706:

yes

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Guest87706:

stuartm, how can icheck its ability to write to th db ?

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stuartm:

check the frontend log

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Guest87706:

no error message in it, everything seems ok in the log

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Keithamus:

Hope someone can help here – I've got issues with playback on my mythbuntu boxes, I think because of the oss nvidia driver – can't get Nvidia-glx working properly. Logs here for trying to watch TV and an mkv: http://pastebin.com/FG1Bb6QM http://pastebin.com/jtGKx4Yd

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just had an odd idea, and I thought someone here might have some thoughts on whether it is a good one, bad one, or not technically possible.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Would it be possible to use the Network Recorder function of MythTV to make it see the 24/7 Twit.tv live feed as a recordable stream? Would it even make sense to do so?

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beata-:

running .23-fixes as of yesterday anyone seen when running scan for changes in mythvideo that it wipes away art fanart/banners from the videos? IE I press w on a video and it downloads the correct metta data, and the art is displayed. I then press m->scan for changes, and then navigate back to the same video and no art is being displayed/ no plot info nothing.

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beata-:

In the videometadata table there are 4 rows of the same video, same hash. This represents the 4 times that I have tested this. Is that normal?

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jan:

hi, my mythfrontend keeps segfaulting after i updated to mythbuntu 10.04. here's the backtrace:http://mythtv.pastebin.com/WdbCJ4ZR

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jan:

any ideas?

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Keithamus:

jan, maybe try using opengl painter?

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jan:

i think i'm using it. but since i can't even start the frontend, i can't configure a different painter either

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iamlindoro:

It's not a painter issue- It's also been fixed, you need to be on current fixes, not whatever older version you're running

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iamlindoro:

As a quick workaround, take the DVD out of your drive

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jan:

i *am* on the latest 23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

no, you're not

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jan:

at least on the latest that mythbuntu autobuilds provde

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jan:

provide

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jan:

and i took out the cd/dvd

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iamlindoro:

That's something you'd have to take up with them

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its_dk:

Hey there

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its_dk:

I'm trying to find and compile mantis drivers for my terratec cinergy c pci tuner

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its_dk:

Anyone knows where and how I can do that?

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iamlindoro:

its_dk, You should ask in #linuxtv

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its_dk:

Ah, okay thanks :)

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jan:

how can i find out what it's trying to mount?

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iamlindoro:

jan, You can't without being able to get further, just get to latest fixes when it's been fixed

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iamlindoro:

you can check your revision with mythfrontend --version

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jan:

i'm on 24291

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iamlindoro:

And the bug was fixed in 24311

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jan:

looks like the autobuilds are a few days behind. *sigh*

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iamlindoro:

You should ask the mythbuntu folks what's wrong with their auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

(fix was 3 days ago)

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stuartm:

and I know Daviey pushed another update about a day and a half ago

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stuartm:

but he's away for the weekend

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jan:

too bad

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stuartm:

jan: you can try finding someone in #mythbuntu

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jan:

yep, i already tried there. thanks

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jan:

too bad, i guess i'm back to 9.10 for the waf's sake until the builds are working again. thanks folks

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iamlindoro:

jan was/is doing something wrong, since there's someone on the ubntu forum claiming to have upgraded to 24334 today.

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stuartm:

he may not have enabled the mythbuntu repos, so he's only getting what shipped with the 10.4 release

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stuartm:

if that's the case, yay, Lucid shipped with a broken version

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stuartm:

I'm hazy on why bug-fix releases of mythtv packages aren't pushed to the main repo

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vect:

are there any myth distros that aren't a steaming pile of crap like Mythbuntu?!

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vect:

this is ridiculous

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iamlindoro:

Most of us Myth devs think that Mythbuntu is pretty solid and polished, actually

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vect:

i guess that answers my question

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vect:

ordering DVR from time warner on monday

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iamlindoro:

k, have fun

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vect:

you guys have had 10 years to get this crap distro working right

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vect:

fuckin giveup

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iamlindoro:

sorry, I'll get my manager to arrange a refund

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vect:

no, just stop trying

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vect:

take the software

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vect:

insert up ass sideways

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Keithamus:

please dont stop trying ;)

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Keithamus:

iamlindoro, are you a dev for mythbuntu then?

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iamlindoro:

nope, just a plain Myth dev

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Keithamus:

ah

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iamlindoro:

but I recognize the hard work that has gone in to Mythbuntu, and while I don't agree with everything they do, it's still done a TON to make Myth more accessible

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Keithamus:

yeah definitely

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stuartm:

lol @ Jeremy Vine doing a triple-take when he notices Sian Lloyd is bending over behind him ... he can't even conceal the grin

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Keithamus:

do you recommend any distros for doing mythtv diskless? Im trying mythbuntu but running into serious problems because of the whole nouveau thing

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sulx:

I recommend arch for everything

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, mythbuntu used to have some very easy tools for diskless, but I think some of them have rotted over the past couple revisions-- I don't do diskless so I may not be the person to ask

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Keithamus:

I can concur with that statement

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Keithamus:

Karmic was fine

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Keithamus:

Lucid is just...

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Keithamus:

one of the big problems is they don't have any fresh docs

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stuartm:

Keithamus: minimyth is/was the distro of choice for diskless

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Keithamus:

current version is .22 though

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Keithamus:

i've got 0.22 working fine on mythbuntu

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Keithamus:

i was hoping to get .23

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stuartm:

they are probably waiting for 0.23 to be released

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Keithamus:

is it not already?

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: are you considering another RC? If the holdup last much longer I might try and complete Terra so it can officially release with a complete default ;)

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stuartm:

Keithamus: RCs only so far

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Keithamus:

oh ok

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Keithamus:

btw what happened to the playback profiles in .23? I can't seem to get to them, are they removed for automated setup?

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stuartm:

technicality it may be ..

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, I hadn't considered one (I feel like we're maintaining it like an actual release now)... might be worth pinging chutt re: our timetable?

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, They're still in the same spot

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page 3

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gbee:

oh crap, BBC HD changed their schedules last night, I've got that tosser Jonathan Ross instead of Heroes

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iamlindoro:

On the plus side, you managed to avoid Heroes

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gbee:

heh

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Keithamus:

dunno how I missed that XD

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Keithamus:

hmm

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Keithamus:

my tv is really blurry...

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Keithamus:

is there a convenient way to get mythfrontend to restart when it crashes?

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mag0o:

Keithamus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Customized_Remote_Control_Keys

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Keithamus:

i was hoping for more of an automated thing – like a wrapper script?

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mag0o:

mythwelcome?

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mag0o:

(never used it though)

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clever:

mythwelcome is nice for that

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Keithamus:

yeah?

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janneg:

while /bin/true; do mythfrontend; sleep 1; done

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clever:

mythwelcome will show the basic status for the system and has a lirc clickable button to start the fe

[14:03:05]

Keithamus:

I think janneg's is more akin to what i want actually

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

best to put that into a bash script so you can kill it better

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clever:

if you ran it right from the cli, youll have to kill the entire shell to stop it

[14:04:24]

Keithamus:

just add a shebang?

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clever:

yeah and +x it

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Keithamus:

cool

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Keithamus:

I mv'd mythfrontend to mythfrontend-bin and made that script mythfrontend

[14:06:52]

Keithamus:

lucid's ltsp update image script is so much faster than karmic's. its an amazing difference

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frego:

anyone dare to upgrade mythbuntu 9.10 to 10.04 yet??

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iamlindoro:

Lots of people, if you believe the various forums and lists

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frego:

I'm thinking about doing it

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iamlindoro:

If you do, immediately add the auto-builds repository and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade

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iamlindoro:

so that you are on current fixes as numerous critical fixes have gone in since their 10.04 packages

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frego:

iamlindoro> the 10.04 LTS upgrade says it takes care of the auto-builds for you. Sounds so easy to do. But I'm scared of it breaking with no backup.

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flindet:

Hi, there: Is anyone here using Surewest IPTV with their MythTV?

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gbee:

oh why is this mouse interception not working? :/

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Keyboard is, though?

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gbee:

I'd assume, I haven't tested that yet, decided to start with the mouse stuff

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gbee:

guess I've just missed something

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gbee:

I've disabled the QWidget focus calls, but there must be something else that I need to do

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iamlindoro:

browser->NSPlugin->isFlash()->SetOnFire(true);

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Keithamus:

iamlindoro, how do you add the autobuilds? is it a ppa?

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

URL from memory ;)

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Keithamus:

lol

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iamlindoro:

It's a deb package, I believe

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Keithamus:

that page has a deb :(

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gbee:

ah, found it

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Keithamus:

im in chrooted ltsp which cant go out

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, Not sure what the correct procedure would be then, I suspect the mythbuntu guys would know the actual path to the repos

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Keithamus:

s'ok just had to exit chroot, wget it, move it inside my chroot, chroot back in and dpkg it XD

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Keithamus:

autobuilds is stable right?

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iamlindoro:

yes, so long as you choose ".23" when asked

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Keithamus:

did so :D

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iamlindoro:

they're just updated packages when we backport a fix to .23

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iamlindoro:

which you definitely want

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Keithamus:

yeah I can imagine I do

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iamlindoro:

since getting us to backport anything can be a challenge sometime, so if we did it, it's probably important :)

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Keithamus:

lol ok :D

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Keithamus:

I noticed there was a huge jump in development speed from .22 to .23

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Keithamus:

from what felt like years from .21 to .22

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iamlindoro:

18 months

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Keithamus:

down to ~6 months for 22–23 right?

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, we're trying to stick to a 4 month release schedule, though for logistical reasons that's slipped a bit for .23

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Keithamus:

that is awesome news. Dead chuffed :D

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it'll be 6–7 in the end for .23, probably

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Keithamus:

Is it all in C++?

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iamlindoro:

So hopefully we can get another release out before the end of the year or right around then

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what part of Myth you mean. Myth itself is mostly C++, many of the cupport libraries are C and asm, the themes and various other bits are XML, and we have some semi-mandatory python bindings and scripts

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iamlindoro:

er support

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Keithamus:

ah

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Keithamus:

Well, I know php and I'm learning python – is there any way I can help?

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Keithamus:

I was planning on making my own mythweb

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iamlindoro:

mythweb is php, there is probably lots that could be done there to improve it/fix bugs

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iamlindoro:

That would be more helpful than a reimplementation, likely

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Keithamus:

cool

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Keithamus:

is mythweb part of the mythtv trac?

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iamlindoro:

even fleshing the parts that communicate with the protocol out into full fledged bindings would be extra awesome

[14:56:14]

iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

mythweb is official

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iamlindoro:

Our python bindings are in by far the best shape of all the bindings, wagnerrp owns them and could say if there's anything he could use help with/has a wishlist

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Keithamus:

Cool, well I might just have to spend a few weekends on mythweb then :D

[14:59:35]

Keithamus:

I'd love to try and get theora playback for HTML5 video, whaddya reckon?

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iamlindoro:

Well, I think it's a *great* goal to have, but I also know that we'll need a backend method of live transcoding video to interface with, which we lack.

[15:00:47]

iamlindoro:

ie, you could probably add HTML5 video playback, but mythbackend will presently only serve you up full bitrate and resolution material

[15:00:56]

Keithamus:

yeah

[15:01:06]

Keithamus:

hmmm

[15:02:55]

Keithamus:

its definitely doable to live transcode it

[15:03:20]

Keithamus:

my q6600 does ~ 30–50fps for transcoding

[15:03:31]

Keithamus:

but then on lower power equipment I can see it struggling

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Keithamus:

i may just play around with this a bit and hopefully work on some bugs next weekend

[15:04:58]

Keithamus:

thanks for all your help though iamlindoro. This kind of support is exactly why I love OSS :D

[15:05:02]

iamlindoro:

It's surely doable, it's just the implementation on the backend that few people have the knowhow to do

[15:05:07]

iamlindoro:

you are welcome

[15:05:48]

Keithamus:

Cya o/

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flindet:

anyone familiar with media room or maybe the motorola 1216? I'm wondering if the service provider provides mediaroom boxes, does that mean all the channels are probably encrypted or just the premium channels?

[15:08:40]

iamlindoro:

IF you are dealing with *any* cable operator, chances are extremely high that all but the local channels (NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox) are encrypted

[15:09:21]

flindet:

This is IPTV. I'm on Comcast now and it looks like they're about to start encrypting everything. I REALLY don't want to give up my myth, so I'm trying to find another provider that might work

[15:09:37]

flindet:

Hope to get more than just the OTA channels (because why bother paying a provider for that )

[15:09:44]

iamlindoro:

Regardless, it's still going to be run similarly to any other cable co

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flindet:

depressing news

[15:10:14]

iamlindoro:

You can keep comcast, just means you need to capture the output of the box itself

[15:10:26]

iamlindoro:

a little more difficult to set up, a bit more money, but very doable

[15:10:35]

flindet:

yeah, i'm using those motorola dct-6200 over firewire, but it's very flaky

[15:10:57]

iamlindoro:

substitute an HD-PVR for firewire, and you'll have stable and functional

[15:11:01]

flindet:

and they sent some vague notice about needing new equipment, so I'm not even certain the 6200s will continue to work

[15:11:12]

flindet:

yeah, but those are $200 a pop...

[15:11:36]

iamlindoro:

yup

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flindet:

this looked very promising: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/SureWest_IPTV

[15:12:07]

flindet:

no tuners required and that's written by folks in my town

[15:12:23]

flindet:

problem is that surewest is switching to microsoft's mediaroom, and i fear that means encryption. :-(

[15:12:43]

flindet:

so that wiki entry may no longer be valid or may soon be no longer valid

[15:13:04]

iamlindoro:

I think that's probably a valid concern

[15:13:31]

flindet:

well, buy your stock in hauppage then, I'll need to buy hundreds.. hahah

[15:13:45]

flindet:

I currently enjoy the luxury of 4 tuners. This is going to be a big shock

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flindet:

so is the myth community all just moving to OTA signals then?

[15:15:05]

flindet:

or everyone's throwing out the big cash for the hd pvrs?

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iamlindoro:

The myth community isn't just the USA :)

[15:15:20]

flindet:

oh

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flindet:

oh EU doesn't have this nonsense?

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iamlindoro:

There's still encryption elsewhere in the world, but generally handled in a more reasonable fashion (ie, you can get a Conditional Access Module for your provider and still use myth)

[15:16:23]

flindet:

well, I'm jealous then... haha

[15:16:44]

iamlindoro:

and since much of the TV in places like, for example, the UK is publicly funded, there's a mandate that it remain accessible in a more open fashion

[15:17:15]

iamlindoro:

But yeah, in the US the HD-PVR or OTA only are rapidly becoming the only valid options if you want High definition content in a mythbox

[15:17:15]

flindet:

too bad we don't have that here.

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I have put in ratings for like 300 popular movies at TMDB over the past few days, good luck getting someone to add the UK ratings ;)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I'll start on those

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iamlindoro:

Let's make Nick Morott do it, he's on a roll ;)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I am not entirely sure what will get passed back for ratings right now-- we don't do any custom handling of them in tmdb.py yet so I don't know if we need to use the language argument to set the ratings, or if they're done by the locale your IP is in, or...

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iamlindoro:

I get the US ratings, but if you get them too, they we need to look at how the API has changed

[15:25:58]

iamlindoro:

er then

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I think that was the intent as I read on the forum was to use an ISO country code

[15:28:02]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I have no idea of it was implemented that way

[15:28:19]

iamlindoro:

We'll, we'll figure it out :)

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iamlindoro:

er Well

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RDV_Linux:

I just checked and the raw returned XML is only "<certification>PG-13</certification>" so no sign of a language code

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I saw that

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iamlindoro:

Did you try on a movie with multiple ratings set?

[15:31:23]

iamlindoro:

(I have not yet)

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RDV_Linux:

no

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iamlindoro:

try -D 187

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iamlindoro:

(Sin City)

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iamlindoro:

(Which is funny, because 187 is the penal code for murder in California)

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gbee:

MovieRating:R with no args apart from -D

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Did you try it in debug mode (to see the XML)?

[15:35:41]

iamlindoro:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

Still just that

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iamlindoro:

And you get the US value.... so... yeah

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gbee:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qNXAsvRg

[15:36:29]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like the new API isn't returning everything yet/isn't working quite right

[15:36:46]

iamlindoro:

Well, enjoy your new US certifications!

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gbee:

yeah, no option to specify locale and it can't be inferred from the language since they are using the old two character codes

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** gbee is disappointed **

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iamlindoro:

I doubt travis went through all the effort of internationalizing the ratings to have them be inaccessible-- you should ping the forum

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iamlindoro:

So there were a small number of films with certification before I started, mostly common, popular films

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iamlindoro:

the two series that I was shocked to find without ratings were ALL of the star trek movies, and all of the lord of the rings movies

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iamlindoro:

figured the internet-at-large would have long since beaten me to those

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squish102:

how do i clear my lineup and start again. I have deleted a channel, and I need it back now. TW is moving things around :(

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iamlindoro:

remove the video source and create a new one

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squish102:

ok thanks, i think I did that, removed all tuner cards, and added them back, rescanned them, but the channel didn't seem to apear :( I will try again

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gbee:

iamlindoro: the answer we're looking for is actually there, highlighted on the API page – "Since the 2.1 API does not support locales, we default everything to the United States. This includes certifications and release dates. The last_modified_at time is MST."

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iamlindoro:

gbee, so sounds like we'll want to get to 2.2 of the API as soon as he has that going

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gbee:

yup

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gbee:

let's hope that's in the next 2/3 months

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iamlindoro:

Or, alternately, you guys can learn our rating system ;)

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iamlindoro:

Last movie rating... done!

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gbee:

iamlindoro: heh, well though I appreciate you were joking, it's not so much the difference in the systems as the way they are applied ;) The US censors apply stricter ratings for things like nudity than other countries

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gbee:

or even mild profanity

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Though I'm sure it's true elsewhere as well, I get an appreciation from having set 300ish ratings that it is wildly variable how a movie will get rated

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iamlindoro:

even within our rating system

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iamlindoro:

Blazing Saddles is R

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iamlindoro:

yet other movies with tons of graphic violence are PG-13

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gbee:

yeah, it's never applied consistently in any country that I'm aware of, and censors have become more relaxed over the years/decades

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gbee:

well in the UK at least

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beata-:

running .23-fixes as of yesterday anyone seen when running scan for changes in mythvideo that it wipes away art fanart/banners from the videos? IE I press w on a video and it downloads the correct metta data, and the art is displayed. I then press m->scan for changes, and then navigate back to the same video and no art is being displayed/ no plot info nothing.

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wagnerrp:

beata-: is it possible youre running in 'browse' mode?

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wagnerrp:

in that mode, mythtv is detached from the database

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wagnerrp:

and runs off a temporary copy of the filesystem

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beata-:

checking

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wagnerrp:

under 'm'

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wagnerrp:

there should be 'enable/disable file browse mode'

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iamlindoro:

file browse mode shouldn't prevent metadata handling

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iamlindoro:

this sounds more like DB configuration issues/broken DB

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beata-:

im in list mode

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beata-:

in the videometadata table there are 2 rows for the same file, one with metadata, one without

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beata-:

i have to run bbin30

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wagnerrp:

bbin30?

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: I'm fixing up some US ratings as I go, where there is a release date but no rating

[17:06:16]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, awesome

[17:06:29]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, I did everything in my collection, but by the end of that I was out of energy

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stuartm:

painfully slow, it will take me some time just to cover what's in my collection

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the only things i have on my plate for the bindings are some form of livetv mode (not high priority), the programinfo and database refactor (have to wait for those), and a slew of unicode stuff

[17:07:07]

wagnerrp:

other than that, its just assorted cleanup and bugfixes as they pop up

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, wagnerrp, I was thinking of a VERY basic live transcoder for the protocol-- ie, ONLY takes a width, height, and bitrate as arguments, and only spits out theora

[17:08:02]

iamlindoro:

could easily be replaced in the future, but would allow doing mythweb streaming "properly"

[17:08:39]

wagnerrp:

what is supported for audio?

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iamlindoro:

Meh, I dunno, maybe 2 channel AAC or something like that

[17:08:59]

wagnerrp:

everyone is talking about theora va. h264 vs. maybe vp8

[17:09:08]

wagnerrp:

but ive never heard what browsers support as far as audio

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wagnerrp:

certainly that falls under the same issues

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wagnerrp:

although mp3 is going to lapse in a couple years isnt it?

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iamlindoro:

yeah... just know that we can encode 2 channel AAC with what we've got built in and want to avoid a "oh, you didn't compile with libmp3lame" mess

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iamlindoro:

And pretty sure AAC is a safe bet too

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ! Warning – Creating an instance caused an error for one of: MythDBConn or MythVideo, error('staticmethod' object is not callable)

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wagnerrp:

you too huh?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

jamu or miro?

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iamlindoro:

This after removing everything, updating to current trunk, and re-installing

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iamlindoro:

jamu

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iamlindoro:

mirobridge seems to still be willing to run

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iamlindoro:

FWIW, python 2.6, Ubuntu 10.04

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i got it to occur now too

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wagnerrp:

want to try http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/python.patch ?

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wagnerrp:

i switched from bad syntax to proper syntax

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wagnerrp:

and forgot to remove a line

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wagnerrp:

although i cant recall why i had intentionally used the wrong syntax in the first place

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wagnerrp:

i know i had a reason, but i cant remember what it was

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iamlindoro:

Heh, well, it gets further and crashes elsewhere

[17:20:07]

iamlindoro:

Though this might be a Jamu bug

[17:20:19]

iamlindoro:

does definitely fix the first bug, though

[17:20:35]

iamlindoro:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/426641/

[17:20:39]

wagnerrp:

xris: thats probably the issue you saw ^^^

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RDV_Linux_:

iamlindoro: I knew if I waiting long enough that would get said;)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux_, you and wagnerrp can tell me where the above lies

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iamlindoro:

that's on an -MW run, so it's an upcoming recording of "The Inbetweeners"

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wagnerrp:

looks like.... me again! :)

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RDV_Linux_:

iamlindoro: I am liikin now

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RDV_Linux_:

s/liikin/looking/

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: you get that over there?

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, Get which?

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iamlindoro:

oh, inbetweeners

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's on BBC America

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iamlindoro:

It's pretty funny, I like it

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wagnerrp:

are you running daniel's programinfo patch by any chance?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, no, I'm not, BUT I have my own pginfo patch... I can back it out if I've done this to myself

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wagnerrp:

anything you changed that would have altered the number of fields returned in the programinfo structure?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

47->59

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RDV_Linux_:

wagnerrp: That call is just one of the base bindings calls. I have not resynced in a few days but I am not having any Jamu issues or hung processes.

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wagnerrp:

eew....

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wagnerrp:

yep, that would do it

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wagnerrp:

the bindings are only designed for 47

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ok, no worries, sorry to bother you with that part then, I'll just back it out

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wagnerrp:

you would have similar problems with the perl bindings and mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Well, mythweb is behaving, I incremented the line number

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wagnerrp:

or anything using mythprotocol that doesnt use the internal libraries for dealing with communication

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iamlindoro:

as I did in the python bindings

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: it's not a BBC product, so I learn something new about BBC America :)

[17:27:32]

iamlindoro:

which worked until... well, sometime in the last few days

[17:27:46]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, Yeah, I think they have a number of E4 programs too

[17:28:11]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: bumping the fieldcount wont cut it, you need to go into MythData.py/Program

[17:28:18]

wagnerrp:

and update the _field_order and _field_type to match

[17:28:37]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, no big deal, I'll just back it out, I'm dumping the patch anyway since daniel is ripping pginfo apart

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

so thats all the bugs for now?

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iamlindoro:

Well, need to get rebuilt real quick, but I'm sure it's fine

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wagnerrp:

looks like that was 24316 i broke that on

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wagnerrp:

i can always commit more if there are still problems

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ran through cleanly, thanks

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jst:

How come mythrename.pl was discontinued? :(

[17:36:57]

wagnerrp:

because it wasnt

[17:37:09]

wagnerrp:

it was renamed to mythlink.pl, to better represent what it actually does

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jst:

Roger.

[17:37:17]

jst:

Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

in addition, the capacity to rename recordings was removed

[17:37:36]

wagnerrp:

now it only generates symlinks

[17:38:11]

jst:

Yeah, which is kind of lame. :-X

[17:38:32]

jst:

Sometimes *.png files get left over and I have to go in and remove them manually.

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wagnerrp:

symlinks are lame?

[17:39:19]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to rename your recordings?

[17:39:48]

iamlindoro:

because making them unplayable/unfindable with certain character sets is awesome :)

[17:40:57]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: im wondering if it would be better to specify the kernel revision at which driver support was added for hardware

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: well I thought about it, but two things prevented me, 1) It would take days to compile that info 2) If it's documented, it should probably be in the linuxtv wiki

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

[17:43:01]

wagnerrp:

wasnt thinking about 2, but did consider 1 would be a problem

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stuartm:

I don't claim that what I've started is perfect, but I'm aiming to make it clear at a glance whether _Myth_ supports the hardware since there are really any number of factors outside myth's control which truely affect support

[17:44:49]

stuartm:

and also categorise the hardware pages a little better than they are now

[17:45:00]

wagnerrp:

this link on this TOSLink page... is this some form of auction?

[17:45:21]

wagnerrp:

the item was posted on google today, and it says the item will expire in 30 days

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stuartm:

I'd appreciate input on the template and categorisation, maybe it can be combined with the table which appears on some card pages, and improved with wiki-fu to include conditionals to change colour based on a support/unsupported/unknown state

[17:47:06]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, wagnerrp, I'd really like to enable captcha on the wiki

[17:47:15]

iamlindoro:

curt7074 is going to be a spammer

[17:47:23]

stuartm:

and what about the choice of categories? Is it correct, or too restrictive? Should hybrid cards appear under the analog+digital categories etc?

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iamlindoro:

all the spam lately has been from name+digits

[17:47:36]

iamlindoro:

So I've been banning those for three days

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iamlindoro:

pre-emptively

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the fact that the previous two were made only a minute apart, and probably from the same IP address...

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: well if no-one has any objections I'll see what I can do, technically I was given root on that server so I could do emergency restarts of apache etc, I've already done other things but I don't want to start making unilateral changes

[17:49:23]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, It seems like a captcha would be a relatively innocuous thing

[17:49:27]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt need to restart apache to make changes to a wiki

[17:49:39]

iamlindoro:

The volume of spam has risen a lot in the past couple months for some reason

[17:49:45]

dfletcher:

hmm jamu says "Skipping invalid name: /share/1/video/Movies/Wall-E.avi" and a bunch of similar. am I doing something wrong?

[17:50:30]

wagnerrp:

the tmdb grabber (which jamu duplicates) requires a near exact match of the filename

[17:50:40]

wagnerrp:

'wall-e' is not a match

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dfletcher:

ah

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dfletcher:

hmm

[17:51:01]

wagnerrp:

you need that funky dot character

[17:51:05]

wagnerrp:

whatever code that is

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iamlindoro:

think invalid filename actually means it's not an allowed extension

[17:51:11]

dfletcher:

hard to believe though that all of my vids fail though

[17:51:25]

iamlindoro:

meaning you may have removed the avi extension from the mythvideo allowed types

[17:51:26]

dfletcher:

only a few TV series seemed to be named OK

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dfletcher:

oh? if I did that it was an accident

[17:51:47]

iamlindoro:

Worth a double check

[17:51:52]

sid3windr:

OK's a weird name for a series anyway

[17:52:08]

dfletcher:

hrhr

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iamlindoro:

Jamu populates the allowed extensions from the DB, so if avi isn't there, it would call it invalid

[17:52:13]

stuartm:

mini-series based on the life of Wyatt Earp

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stuartm:

ok, tenuous at best

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wagnerrp:

actually, iamlindoro is probably right, because 'Wall-E' does return a match

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dfletcher:

heh I just mean that it succeeded for a few series that were named with the "s[n]e[n]" convention

[17:54:05]

dfletcher:

oh and heh those tv shows were avi files so that's not the prob

[17:54:17]

dfletcher:

e.g. this is failing on "The Cell.iso"

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dfletcher:

The Matrix.iso

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dfletcher:

it's weird

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dfletcher:

They Live.avi

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dfletcher:

these names seem ok to me

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iamlindoro:

You could use the built in mythvideo lookup, that will work...

[17:54:54]

wagnerrp:

cripple fight!!!

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stuartm:

heh, TMDB triggers a massive memory leak in Opera, wondered why it was getting really slow, turns out it was swapping

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, Just wait until all the other browsers copy that feature

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stuartm:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Google Chrome RamMAX

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iamlindoro:

Firefox MemFill

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you think those users are actually bots?

[17:56:26]

iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

oh, you mean versus a human spammer?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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iamlindoro:

well, one way to find out

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stuartm:

waiting for the next release of Opera, Wintel/OSX versions have shipped but the linux one is delayed as they are re-writing it from the ground up

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wagnerrp:

'are you a bot? no lying...'

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stuartm:

'If you were a bot, what kind of bot would you be?'

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wagnerrp:

i would be a hot dog

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wagnerrp:

i'd smother mysqlf in brown mustard and relish. i'd be so delicious

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: by the way, did that fix your problems with hung jamu/bindings?

[18:02:54]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, need to give it a couple of hours to find out, it seems so though

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iamlindoro:

hahah

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iamlindoro:

http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content . . . w.mythtv.org

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wagnerrp:

site is stalled

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iamlindoro:

it takes forever, just hang in there

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iamlindoro:

it's translating the given page into a 1990's era geocities page

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wagnerrp:

no, 'internal server error'

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wagnerrp:

ah, there we go

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wagnerrp:

wow

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wagnerrp:

thats painful

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

why did people EVER think that was worthwhile web design?

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wagnerrp:

it needs more independently scrollable frames

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stuartm:

heh, it's lacking an MS Frontpage metatag

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wagnerrp:

hahaha.... 'campaign against frames' at the bottom

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stuartm:

I think xkcd did it better (true, there is was hand crafted)

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stuartm:

no marquee

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stuartm:

or animated email (postbox) image

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stuartm:

every site had one of those

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, i always considered angelfire to be worse

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ddrj:

hi everyone, has anyone here managed to get audio + video over hdmi running with the geforce 210 card?

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ddrj:

i have this specific card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 54-_-Product

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ddrj:

i followed these instructions, but still no luck: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_s . . . 20,_or_GT240

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ddrj:

even checked out some of the forums, sometimes alsamixer doesn't even come up

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ddrj:

other times it just doesn't recognize the card

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dfletcher:

aha! I was running jamu wrong. when I run it like the cron.hourly does – jamu.py -N -MW I actually get a python exception http://pastebin.com/UZNUdKQu

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dfletcher:

yeah bool isn't iterable :P

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dfletcher:

any jamu ppl here? ^^

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wagnerrp:

thats only because youre not trying hard enough

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dfletcher:

lol

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dfletcher:

ok iterate boolean: { true, false } :P

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RDV_Linux_:

dfletcher: Find out the version you are running "./jamu -v"

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dfletcher:

0.7.3

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RDV_Linux_:

hmm

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dfletcher:

oh heh hello R.D.Vaughan nice to meet you :P

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RDV_Linux_:

dfletcher: Have not seen that error before in any of my environments. I am not sure what is happening,

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dfletcher:

it's probably my setup. wifey watcing the frontend right now, so I haven't disabled the front end directory paths yet

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dfletcher:

it's complaining about those too

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: now that artwork can be rated on tmdb, can we start to download the top rated?

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RDV_Linux_:

dfletcher: I will be around.

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dfletcher:

cool, yeah I'll try that and see if it's the reason

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dfletcher:

if I ever get my TV back. damn you myth =)

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, it is automatically returned in the order of highest to lowest rating, or so I read in the API forum the other day

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dfletcher:

I knew the end was high when I saw "90210" in the recording rules :P

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RDV_Linux_:

stuartm: The ability to have top rated images will only be enabled if TMDB either provides them in that order or has an indicator. Right now we assume that the images are already sorted in the top rated order.

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: hmm, maybe it's the cache, but even before I rated the artwork for Blade Runner, the top rated wasn't the image that's being returned

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, most likely the API cache

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux_: is 'No overview found' something that they return, or inserted by the grabber

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, though the API timeouts are allegedly much faster now

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, it's a new thing in their API, we need to translate that back to "None"

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: or better, an empty string

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stuartm:

and leave it to the themer what the default should be

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iamlindoro:

Well, needs to match const QString VIDEO_PLOT_DEFAULT = QObject::tr("None");

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iamlindoro:

but we can always change what that is

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beata-:

iamlindoro: any ideas where i can debug to find out why my metadata is dissapering when i scan for changes

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i_is_cat:

anyone know if there will be a mythtv channel for the wii? :|

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wagnerrp:

i_is_cat: there will be as soon as you write one

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i_is_cat:

lol ya i am looking at the "bounty" page right now..

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wagnerrp:

the wii is too low resolution and too underpowered to be considered a worthwhile platform by any current dev

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stuartm:

can anyone remember what that high-res poster source was?

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i_is_cat:

ya its not the greatest system

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wagnerrp:

for $200, you may as well stick with an old VIA system

[18:45:35]

wagnerrp:

and those are no great shakes either

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i_is_cat:

well i have a wii already i was just wondering if there would be a channel for myth

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wagnerrp:

now i would pay some serious bucks to get mythfrontend running on my casio fx7000g

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i_is_cat:

probably wouldnt support an ir blaster anyways..

[18:46:48]

wagnerrp:

depends on whether you can modulate that sensor bar

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, http://www.movieposterdb.com/

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[R]:

booya

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: thanks that's the one I remember, forgot that it's not free

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[R]:

you need to know how to talk to those mofos

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i_is_cat:

actually.. if i can get the streaming thing working in mythweb it would be good enough on the wii for me anyways..

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[R]:

i just got a ton more channels for like $2 more than i'm paying now, but next month my bill was gonna go up like $10, so in the end i'm saving

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, np, yeah, worth it if you are really motivated, but otherwise it's usually possible to find something passable

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: in this case I can't find anything, debatable whether it's worth spending cash on, even €5 (I'll probably never use the other 99 credits)

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, what's the film?

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stuartm:

Sommersby – recorded for a family member, probably to be deleted once watched, which is why I'm not too bothered. Just thought I'd try and find a copy to fill a gap in TMDB

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stuartm:

FWIW – http://www.movieposterdb.com/poster/61cef3c9

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stuartm:

but I don't want anyone to spend credits on my behalf!

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, http://www.impawards.com/1993/posters/sommersby.jpg could probably do worse

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stuartm:

here, thought I'd checked impa

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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stuartm:

a fraction smaller than the min that TMDB asks for, but you can't be too picky with such an obscure film

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stuartm:

not that TMDB's upload is working, just sits spinning on the 'uploading' popup

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pheld:

is there a way to make the frontend ignore some removable devices? Get prompted to choose between optical, fd and a loopmounted ISO-image on startup and when entering mythmusic. I'd prefer to make it ignore the fd and the loop-mounted image.

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stuartm:

I can see that when it comes to voting for posters on TMDB, it will come down to a battle between those who like the original posters and those that prefer photo-shopped versions

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iamlindoro:

clever, Our rules about language apply to *all* myth channels. This is your last warning, or face a permanent ban. Enough is enough

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clever:

wasnt thinking about that

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clever:

i'll have to be more carefull

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iamlindoro:

time to start thinking

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clever:

iamlindoro: http://privatepaste.com/ea72abcde7

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iamlindoro:

all very old, but I'm aware I've been in violation of the rules before. That does not exempt you, a repeatedly warned offender, from them.

[19:45:38]

iamlindoro:

but please feel free to push your luck

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clever:

i know, i'm just pointing out youve said that word 218 times and ive only said it 75

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clever:

ive repeatedly broken it alot less, but i'll try to remember to not do it ever again

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iamlindoro:

clever, irrelevant, all that matters is behavior since we have tightened down on the rules. You have received much more slack than almost anyone. Do or do not, there is no try.

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clever:

i cant see a single ocurance from you since you gained +, so yeah they are old

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clever:

i'm off to try and fix the toasted router, 2nd time that room has killed one

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Jester05:

just out of curiosity, is anyone in here running mythbuntu and if so have any of them attempted to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04?

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Shadow__X:

Jester05: there might be people running mythbuntu here but this channel is for mythtv and should be kept to mythtv related questions. There is a channel dedicated to mythbuntu it is #ubuntu-mythtv

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Shadow__X:

you should ask those type of questions there

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Jester05:

I know Shadow__X, but that channel is seemingly dead and there wasn't exactly any on going conversation in this channel

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iamlindoro:

heh, you joined and immediately asked, how would you know?

[20:06:56]

Jester05:

in the past I've used that channel and either gotten bad or no help

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iamlindoro:

worth every penny then, I guess

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axisys:

will this card work with linux ? http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_usblive2.html

[20:07:33]

Jester05:

but at any rate, is there any reason why a FE running 23 couldn't connect to a MBE running 22?

[20:07:57]

iamlindoro:

Yes. All myth systems must be identical versions. You cannot mismatch protocol versions.

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Jester05:

alright thanks iamlindoro guess I'm forced with one choice :-\ lol

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Jester05:

push the upgrade down the pipeline lol

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iamlindoro:

axisys, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_USB-Live-2

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Jester05:

iamlindoro, have you any experience of making an image of your mythtv installation?

[20:09:43]

Jester05:

I'd like to make a backup image but have only ever done it in windows using ghost

[20:09:51]

axisys:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

Jester05, No experience with that here, all I do if I need a backup or to move to a new install is get a DB backup

[20:10:02]

iamlindoro:

axisys, yw

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squish102:

Jester05 let me know if u find something, i'm in the same boat

[20:10:43]

iamlindoro:

well, dd is easy

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iamlindoro:

I've not imaged my myth install, I've still imaged systems :)

[20:10:58]

Jester05:

yeah prob not a bad idea.. I haven't done a dd in a LONGG time

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iamlindoro:

boot from a live CD, dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/image.img

[20:11:26]

Jester05:

iamlindoro, whats the command to backup the db?

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axisys:

iamlindoro: i am little confused .. As of 4/29/2010 does not work with cx231xx driver. ..so it usb-live-2 wont work ?

[20:11:44]

iamlindoro:

axisys, correct

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iamlindoro:

Jester05, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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Jester05:

ha that was the page i was trying to find! thanks

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axisys:

iamlindoro: hmm.. would you know a usb tuner that will work ?

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squish102:

can u dd only a few filesystems. i dont have enough disk to dd all the recordings

[20:12:37]

iamlindoro:

squish102, if they're on different partitions, sure, you can choose just one

[20:12:52]

Jester05:

squidly, dont you keep your videos/recordings on a sep partition?

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squish102:

thanks

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squish102:

yes i do

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iamlindoro:

axisys, The usb-live-2 isn't a tuner, so you'd need to be a lot more specific

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Jester05:

alright I was going to say.. do we have to smack your fingers..

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Jester05:

;)

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iamlindoro:

axisys, ie, where, what format, what do you hope to record, from what provider, etc.

[20:13:40]

Jester05:

I've got my videos/music on an entirely different hdd

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axisys:

iamlindoro: sorry.. i want to convert the vhs tapes to digital format

[20:14:03]

iamlindoro:

axisys, If that's all you want to do, then don't use MythTV, but do buy something like an old Hauppauge PVR-150 or 500

[20:14:13]

squish102:

Jester05, i think i have a JBOD of all different disks and total about 2.5 tb :(

[20:14:19]

iamlindoro:

not USB, but still worth it for that purpose

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axisys:

iamlindoro: need one with usb for my laptop..

[20:14:34]

iamlindoro:

if it must be USB, the Hauppauge PVR-USB2 should work

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squish102:

i keep adding a disk and extending onto it

[20:14:42]

iamlindoro:

Failing that, the HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

squish102: JBOD?

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squish102:

just a bunch of disks

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wagnerrp:

you spanned multiple disks into a single volume?

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squish102:

yip

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Jester05:

can you do a DB backup from mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

no

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squish102:

because i ran out of space, so i hooked up another disk

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squish102:

and then another

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axisys:

iamlindoro: this guys is expensive

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axisys:

iamlindoro: http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-USB . . . p/B0000AL8XX

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wagnerrp:

squish102: so then you add their respective partitions independently as separate folders in the storage group

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wagnerrp:

you dont use spanning

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wagnerrp:

spanning is awful

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iamlindoro:

axisys, ebay

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axisys:

iamlindoro: k

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wagnerrp:

all the reliability issues as with raid0, with none of the added performance

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squish102:

wagnerrp legacy system, i think before storage groups

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iamlindoro:

axisys, http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-USB2- . . . em439eebdd68

[20:17:03]

wagnerrp:

i think storage groups came in with 0.20

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iamlindoro:

$23, closes in an hour

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squish102:

yip, been running for 4 or more years

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axisys:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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Casper0082:

iamlindoro: don't forget to mention your finders fee

[20:17:57]

wagnerrp:

same cost as a mythtv license?

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squish102:

maybe i should start fresh with a couple 1.5tb's.. oh the expense :(

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axisys:

iamlindoro: hehe.. as soon as i bid it.. someone outbidded.. i guess some robot/script is setup

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wagnerrp:

axisys: no, thats just how ebay works

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iamlindoro:

^^ what wagnerrp said

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wagnerrp:

a user sets their highest allowable bid

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wagnerrp:

and if someone else bids while they are away

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wagnerrp:

it will bump them up to however high they allowed it to go

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axisys:

wagnerrp: gotcha

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wagnerrp:

so if you bid again, and outbid them, it will only go as high as their maximum bid

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axisys:

wagnerrp: gotcha

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axisys:

wagnerrp: this is too much fun.. i went to 37 .. still outbid'd

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Jester05:

I'm having issues backing up my db

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Jester05:

ERROR: DBBackupDirectory is not a directory or is not writable. .. etc..

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Jester05:

I think its trying to write to /home/mythtv and i'm doing it as an ssh user.. could that be doing it?

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iamlindoro:

Jester05, "Do so by running the following command from a shell (not in MySQL), replacing the directory, "/home/mythtv", with the desired backup directory path: "

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you didn't do the replace part

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Jester05:

oh crap.. good call

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iamlindoro:

you're supposed to replace the dir with the one you want the backup to end up in

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Jester05:

yeah i got you

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Jester05:

how long should it take?

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iamlindoro:

depends on the size of the database, could be a few seconds, could be a few minutes

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Jester05:

alright thanks man

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iamlindoro:

np

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tgm4883:

What does the backup script throw away? I noticed that a mysqldump is much larger than the one produced by the script

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iamlindoro:

You'd have to ask sphery

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iamlindoro:

but given the fact that he was the one who wrote it, I have 100% confidence that it's cleverer than anyone just running mysqldump

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tgm4883:

i figured so as well

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iamlindoro:

and you're comparing like-compressed dumps, right?

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iamlindoro:

(ie, both gzipped with the same compression level)

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tgm4883:

yes

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iamlindoro:

did you read the script to check the compression level used?

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tgm4883:

no, I just used the default. I really didn't care that much as the size difference is only about 20megs on a 100meg file

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iamlindoro:

so without having done so, you can't be sure they're using the same

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iamlindoro:

It may well just be that

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tgm4883:

could be I suppose

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: the mythtv backup script uses gzip

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wagnerrp:

mysqldump uses no compression

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iamlindoro:

could also be a matter of the mysqldump commands used-- for an accurate comparison, they'd need to be the same

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clever:

tgm4883: run 'file' on the file, it will tell you the compression block size

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Does anyone know anything about the network recorder portion of MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

its designed for UDP and RTSP streaming from a specific IPTV provider in framce

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

The question is if it could be used, with modification, for any streaming source.

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wagnerrp:

sure... with modification

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wagnerrp:

but that is so open ended a statement as to be completely meaningless

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, I was thinking of the various streaming sources online that have posted schedules

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

CNN Live, for example.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Twit Live

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wagnerrp:

what do they use to stream?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Russia Today does 24 hour online streaming in RTSP

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Which one?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Twit uses H264

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

And can be played with mplayer, and has a defined schedule.

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wagnerrp:

h264 is a codec, not a streaming protocol

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes.

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wagnerrp:

russia today's rtsp stream could probably be used with minimal or no modification

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wagnerrp:

assuming those streams are published for public use

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

They are

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

They are on their website

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

As for the TWIT thing, they agreed to let the Mythnetvision plugin use the prerecorded stuff, so logically the live stream should work.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm not 100% sure what TWIT is using. It seems to be FLV in a container, but I'm not sure what protocol if not http itself.

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wagnerrp:

if its flv, it means they intend it to be consume through their flash player on their website only

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Actually, I checked that

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

They permit people to watch it via other means

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

And allow you to record it locally

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

The question is, would an flv stream work with the network recorder, or would that have to use a different means

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Jester05:

anyone happen to have ever used a good partitioning backup program?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Not that I can think of, Jester05

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tank-man:

I believe lilo makes a backup of the boot record when you write a new one

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Jester05:

partimage and clonezilla seem to be what i want

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Jester05:

I don't need a real complex one.. just something like Norten's Ghost

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tank-man:

gparted is similar to ghost

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tank-man:

err i mean partition magic, not ghost

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Jester05:

yeah

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tank-man:

simple is "/bin/dd" :) heh

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clever:

the partition magic rescue floppies where nice

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clever:

repartition any system with just 2 floppies

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clever:

though a gparted livecd sounds like it would be just as good, and not so win 3.11 looking

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Jester05:

i wonder if copy'n and paste'n file systems would work :-\ lol

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clever:

Jester05: ive done that with ntfs before

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clever:

cat /dev/sdxx | ssh user@foo 'cat > /dev/sdxx'

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clever:

aslong as the destination was equal or larger then the source, it worked without a problem for linux access

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clever:

with the proper id in fdisk, windows will even accept it

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Jester05:

yeah.. only problem is i'm actively running that partition

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Jester05:

think I'm going to have to go in with a live cd and do it that way

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clever:

mount it read only and flush it with a call to /bin/sync

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Jester05:

no its the partition my MBE is running off of

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clever:

the tricky part is read-only, have to stop nearly every service to do that to root

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wagnerrp:

although usually netcat is better for that purpose

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Jester05:

going to have to take the MBE off line for a bit

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, netcat in listening and connecting mode would probly be alot faster

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Jester05:

yeah.. I think just booting into a live cd will be easier ;)

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clever:

Jester05: last time i had to do that kind of thing, it was a semi-remote system with no monitor/keyboard/cdrom

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clever:

livecd or usb would be alot simpler

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Jester05:

t-minus 4 min until i have clonezilla

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Jester05:

i wonder how horrible it is to run mythtv off of a virtual?

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wagnerrp:

not horrible, just slow and wasteful

[21:15:41]

wagnerrp:

and thats assuming you can get hardware passthrough

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Jester05:

yeah.. I'm thinking for future testing b4 upgrading

[21:16:01]

Jester05:

virtualbox does pretty well with hardware..

[21:16:52]

clever:

ive used virtualbox with windowsxp (as guest) before

[21:17:10]

clever:

vncserver (on linux) to the virtualbox to a game of pinball ran surprisingly well

[21:17:20]

clever:

better then vnc server on native windows right on the same hardware

[21:17:34]

Jester05:

if you get virtualbox (PUEL, or something like that) it does a LOT

[21:17:35]

clever:

but once i shutdown windows, it horibly breaks the linux kernel and nothing works right

[21:18:08]

Jester05:

ohh

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Jester05:

I have windows xp pro 64 running on my main box via vBox

[21:18:40]

Jester05:

works well enough to work with my gps ;)

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clever:

might be an ubuntu bug, but even the kernel sleep() syscall would return instantly nomater what it was givien

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clever:

causing all the semi-idle loops in every app to instantly become busy idle loops, 100% cpu usage

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Jester05:

I think i may give LinHES a try once i build my new server

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dewman2:

since this page is no longer in the wiki, is there a page that might be helpfull for myth? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Index.php/XBOX_DVD_IR_Receiver

[21:26:16]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XBOX_DVD_IR_Receiver

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, you've been working on MythNetVision. TWIT gave permission for its inclusion in it, correct?

[21:27:02]

wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: pretty sure twit wrote the grabber

[21:27:02]

iamlindoro:

Yes, Leo Laporte gave direct permission

[21:27:14]

iamlindoro:

no, auric (an Australian) did

[21:27:34]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlinodoro, I was wondering about incorporating their live feed into MythTV. It's like a TV channel in itself.

[21:28:07]

dewman2:

iamlindoro, thanks. I am trying to figure out why I am getting multiple events in irw...

[21:28:40]

iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru, The IPTV recorder is very purpose-built. It's really customizes for the free.fr service and anything beyond that is pure luck. It would probably take substantial (near-rewrite) work to make it play generic internet streams

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iamlindoro:

er customized

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iamlindoro:

Which is not to say that that work wouldn't be worthwhile, just that someone would need to do it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What is the new import recorder then?

[21:30:06]

wagnerrp:

dewman: you need to set the repeat filter on the keypress

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wagnerrp:

its one of the operators in lircrc

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iamlindoro:

It's a development/testing tool... not much different that the import perl script we've had forever

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wagnerrp:

FWIW, the old import tool was part of contrib, and was in no way official

[21:31:13]

Jester05:

so.. I'm an idiot and put my recordings on my OS's partition.. u think its worth trying to back up 500gs or say f it and just let the whole thing go?

[21:31:14]

dewman2:

wagnerrp, weird that every key press was set to 4 on the wiki....I will change them to 0 and see what happens;

[21:31:36]

Jester05:

I think i should just risk it and do the distro upgrade w/o backing up the OS.. I have the DB backed anyway :-\

[21:31:58]

wagnerrp:

dewman2: if youre still getting unwanted repeats, you need to set that value higher

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm just pondering the massive amount of free to use 24 hour streams online that have posted recording schedules and using them to supplement other recording streams. i'll continue to ponder, I suppose.

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wagnerrp:

weve already got plenty of people for thinking and planning

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, I'm guessing the implied second part of that is you need more people for doing? I honestly wish my skills were up to the task. I do a little scripting, but not the high level of programming.

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wagnerrp:

s/high level/low level/

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes. A high level of skill need, to program at such a low level.

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wagnerrp:

scripts and interpreted languages are 'high level'

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wagnerrp:

compiled languages are 'low level'

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I accept your correction

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wagnerrp:

it just means how far away it is from direct hardware programming

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes. I am not skilled enough to program at that level.

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wagnerrp:

to be completely honest, the QT stuff makes programming in mythtv not significantly more complex than some of the more advances interpreted languages

[21:39:32]

iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru, There are a number of developments that we hope to make in the next few revisions that should hopefully make what you are looking to do supported. they're just going to take some coordineted work by a couple of us, and then at least one of us to tie it all together

[21:39:39]

wagnerrp:

the only difference being that you need to compile before you see the difference

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iamlindoro:

er coordinated

[21:39:42]

wagnerrp:

and its harder to debug

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlinodoro, if there is anything at my skill level I could do to help...

[21:40:43]

iamlindoro:

Right now a lot of our planned changes require large projects by a couple of us to slot together. Unfortunately it's really stuff that requires intimate knowledge of myth code (and at least some, if not much of it is beyond my own level too)

[21:41:32]

wagnerrp:

right, thats more where the difficulty lies in programming for mythtv

[21:41:42]

wagnerrp:

the language itself is pretty straight forward

[21:41:51]

wagnerrp:

its knowing how to interface it with the rest of mythtv

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iamlindoro:

That said, I think I'll have a few surprises for .24 ;)

[21:42:10]

iamlindoro:

and no spoilers, wagnerrp ;)

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wagnerrp:

which is sadly rather undocumented beyond doxygen

[21:42:36]

wagnerrp:

heh, well they can follow in #mythtv if they want to know these things

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If I ever have a good idea for a script for mythnetvision, that may be something I could tackle.

[21:43:39]

dewman2:

wagnerrp, ok so I changed the value of the up button to repeat=6 and now irw shows 8 events?

[21:44:14]

wagnerrp:

dewman2: irw does not read the lircrc, it just prints the raw data coming out of lircd

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wagnerrp:

the repeat value will change how mythtv behaves according to that input

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dewman2:

wagnerrp, ok....I think I follow what you are saying.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

be back later

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the people who post their questions (and their complaints) to EVERY myth forum are funny

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dewman2:

wagnerrp, thanks..... Once I changed the lirc socket to to the correct location it started working....Thanks for pointing me in the correct location...

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sphery:

tgm4883: I'm guessing you're asking for a lot of extra stuff you don't need in the mysqldump. The backup script throws away nothing and gives you everything you need to create a complete database.

[22:39:21]

sphery:

though "a lot of extra stuff you don't need in the mysqldump" would probably amount to something like a few kilobytes difference when compressed

[22:39:51]

sphery:

unless, of course, your mysqldump has /all/ the databases in it--mythconverg_backup.pl backs up mythconverg only.

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orificium:

Somewhere along the line MythVideo on MythWeb stopped working. How can I see what's going on? Is there a log similar to /var/log/mythtv/*.log

[23:00:21]

wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you using?

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orificium:

Mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

version, not distro

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orificium:

oh sorry.

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orificium:

.22

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wagnerrp:

are you using storage groups for mythvideo?

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orificium:

Nope

[23:06:54]

orificium:

yeah, no "Videos" group under Storage Directories

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orificium:

Basically I get a long timeout and this error "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/translate.php on line 142"

[23:07:48]

clever:

something caused it to use too much time running, so php killed it after 30 seconds

[23:08:06]

clever:

either the hardware is too slow, too many files, or its a bug

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orificium:

ahh too many files could be it

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orificium:

I do have a ton of stuff in there

[23:08:30]

orificium:

I didn't always have the problem

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clever:

the more files you have, the more cpu time it takes to process

[23:09:31]

orificium:

how would I adjust the timeout?

[23:09:48]

clever:

its in php.ini i beleive

[23:10:28]

orificium:

I see that under /etc/php5/apache2 and /etc/php5/cli

[23:10:35]

clever:

http://ca.php.net/manual/en/info.configuratio . . . ecution-time

[23:10:49]

clever:

the script is running under apache2, so edit the apache2 version

[23:10:59]

orificium:

not the cli I guess then

[23:11:06]

clever:

cli is for when running php scripts from the cli (shell, terminal)

[23:12:19]

orificium:

should I increase max_input_time?

[23:12:33]

orificium:

I'm gonna set execution time to 90 to see if it helps at all.

[23:12:48]

clever:

increasing it will allow it to run longer

[23:13:04]

clever:

it wont really fix the problem of it taking a while to load, but it will actualy finish and 'work ]'

[23:13:10]

clever:

in the end

[23:13:48]

clever:

after changing it, youll need to reload or restart apache

[23:13:55]

clever:

for me, its sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reloa

[23:13:56]

clever:

d

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orificium:

what about the input time?

[23:14:25]

clever:

that shouldnt matter much

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orificium:

ok

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clever:

input time is more of a problem if your script is being abused i think

[23:15:09]

Jester05:

so if you guys were going to build a server machine.. would you use a typical mobo, single cpu server mobo, or 2–4 cpu server mobo

[23:15:33]

Jester05:

this server will be running mythtv MBE, some other clients.. not a whole lot lol

[23:15:34]

wagnerrp:

whats the server for?

[23:15:48]

wagnerrp:

what 'clients'?

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clever:

Jester05: the backend alone doesnt need that much, but the mysql server and master backend do need a bit of power for rescheduling, dont think dual core would help it too much though

[23:16:00]

Jester05:

i'd like to make something future proof which makes me think 2 quad core cpu's may be the way to go ;)

[23:16:01]

orificium:

I suppose I could use top to see if the cpu is being pegged by the php/apache processes

[23:16:24]

orificium:

clever: sweet, it worked! Thanks so much.

[23:16:27]

clever:

orificium: if your using mod_php like you should, it will all be the apache process

[23:16:35]

wagnerrp:

unless you intend to do a lot of transcoding, mythtv doesnt really improve past dual core

[23:16:42]

Jester05:

the other clients are things i cant talk about on here

[23:16:54]

Jester05:

hmm

[23:17:27]

Jester05:

well i may also do xdcpm login into that box and use it to run Virt Machines also..

[23:17:33]

orificium:

wow, this page is huge. I need to clear out some crap I put into /videos

[23:17:48]

clever:

orificium: yeah, that would explain why it took so long to load

[23:18:48]

Jester05:

the main box I'm on currently has a quad core 2.66 (q9400).. I considered pushing this one toward server use.. idk

[23:19:03]

orificium:

Jester05: sounds like more than enough

[23:19:33]

Jester05:

do you think the q9400 would even be of any use or should I just get a dual core ?

[23:19:54]

Jester05:

if I push this pc toward server use then I get to build a new main work station ;)

[23:19:59]

orificium:

I'm running on a athlon x2 brisbane 45W 2.3Ghz

[23:20:22]

orificium:

my backend/combo is rather.

[23:20:33]

Jester05:

yeah

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Jester05:

see thats my problem now.. I have my MBE/FE running on a p4 2.8ghz

[23:20:59]

orificium:

I wanted somethign wtih lower power draw since it would be running all the time.

[23:21:04]

Jester05:

and I tune ota w/ it.

[23:21:31]

Jester05:

how much do you think my 2.8 p4 is sucking down?

[23:23:05]

wagnerrp:

whats in it besides that chip?

[23:23:48]

Jester05:

2 pvr 150s and 1 dvico hd tuner

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wagnerrp:

drives?

[23:24:13]

wagnerrp:

video card?

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Jester05:

1 500g wd

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Jester05:

fx5700le

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orificium:

I also have a pcHDTV-5500 in there but it's not being used since my HdhomeRun is going. They didn't play nice together last time I tried to have all 3 tuners going. Might of had something mis-configured though.

[23:25:56]

wagnerrp:

maybe... 90 idle, 150 full load

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Jester05:

hmm

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Jester05:

this q9400 prob does better than that..

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orificium:

I believe that P4 2.8 is about 68 watts

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Jester05:

I really dont think the P4 has the power to handle everything I have going on to be honest

[23:27:43]

wagnerrp:

northwood or prescott?

[23:27:44]

orificium:

Actually, maybe higher. Probably depends on how old it is.

[23:27:49]

Jester05:

I have it doing MBE/FE work

[23:27:52]

Jester05:

its the prescott

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wagnerrp:

then its 89W

[23:28:01]

Jester05:

that box is.. 7 yrs old prob

[23:28:32]

wagnerrp:

do you have an aftermarket cooler?

[23:28:33]

Jester05:

but at any rate I have 2 analog tuners and 1 digital in it plus its running FE and a torrent client

[23:28:43]

Jester05:

nope, she's all stock from 78 yrs ago

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orificium:

oh yeah that's 90nm

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Jester05:

been thru 2 power supplies and 1 hdd lol

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wagnerrp:

then amusingly enough, youre probably running LESS power as a result

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wagnerrp:

that chip is likely overheating and downclocking itself

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Jester05:

I dont think so, its been a while since she's run windows but i had speedfan on it and it was alway cool

[23:30:27]

orificium:

Yeah I think I had to do some tweak in linux because of the "power management" features of the chip

[23:30:32]

orificium:

had some playback problems

[23:30:47]

orificium:

saw it on the VDPAU page in the wiki opssibly

[23:31:15]

orificium:

using the VDPAU slim profile with nearly no issues

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Jester05:

but anyways.. the reason why I want to build a new server box is I want more storage, this mobo only has 2 sata ports on it and I'd like to set up a 6–10T nfs

[23:32:09]

Jester05:

so.. I'll need a new mobo that can handle the sata's .. also I'd like to get better power consumption

[23:32:29]

clever:

Jester05: if you want to check if its underclocking, check cat /proc/cpuinfo

[23:32:39]

Jester05:

but on top of that, i'm trying to figure out what to do FE wise.. I don't mind having the MBE/FE combined but part of me would like them sep

[23:32:48]

clever:

when my laptop was overheating it got stuck at 600mhz and couldnt do a thing

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Jester05:

cpu MHz : 2839.643

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clever:

but if its setup right and idling, it will also be at 600mhz, so check while its under a load and not performing as it should

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Jester05:

yeah, i just dont know what to do computer wise

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Jester05:

essentially I at least need a new frontend.. need something that can handle 1080i better

[23:34:58]

Jester05:

it barely does 720p

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jst:

Where do I get support for problems compiling MythTV Win32?

[23:35:02]

Jester05:

most of the time it doesn't

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orificium:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#CPU_Frequency_Scaling

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jst:

Jester05, try this:

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Jester05:

what jst ?

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clever:

orificium: ah yes, forgot about that side-effect of the underclocking

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jst:

Make a file, say, performance.sh, and put this in it:

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jst:

echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor

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jst:

if [ -f /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor ]

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jst:

then

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jst:

echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor

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jst:

fi

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wagnerrp:

please dont paste directly into here

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jst:

Run sudo ./performance and see if that helps.

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jst:

wagnerrp, sorry. :)

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Jester05:

jst, i'm not having underclocking probs.. I know my cpu is underpowered for what I'm doing ;)

[23:37:28]

jst:

The other things on the VDPAU page such as disabling composite, adding tripplebuffer, etc. also seem to work.

[23:37:35]

Jester05:

i'm just trying to decide what I should do about upgrading

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jst:

Ohh.

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Jester05:

I can't decide if i want to continue to use my MBE as a FE or not.. and if not then I need to decide what to do in terms of new MBE box and new FE box

[23:38:01]

orificium:

don't know if that would apply to XvMC though

[23:38:39]

jst:

Has anyone here tried compiling MythTV Win32?

[23:38:41]

orificium:

I would assume the cpu thing doesn't only apply to VDPAU

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Jester05:

I have a really good looking HTPC box which I like.. its huge and is def build to be a server.. only problem is if I'm building a new FE i'd like to dual boot to play games in windows too so I couldn't make it be the MBE

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wagnerrp:

orificium: the cpu clocking thing only applied to integrated chipsets

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wagnerrp:

on systems where the GPU shared main system memory

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wagnerrp:

when the bus speed dropped, the GPU would get starved for memory access

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orificium:

ah yup, that's me

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Jester05:

and the box I have now has an OLD P4.. noticed it acting weird so I'm considering building a new server box..

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wagnerrp:

and VDPAU would fail

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jst:

Here's the problem I always get when compiling Win32, no matter if I set -r 24334 or -r HEAD.

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clever:

wagnerrp: would that include laptops?

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jst:

http://pastebin.com/ear28uBN

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orificium:

good old Nvidia 8300 equiv chip

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wagnerrp:

clever: that would include all integrated chipsets

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orificium:

actually nvidia 750a.

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wagnerrp:

if your laptop has discrete graphics with dedicated memory, it would not be affected

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clever:

not sure if its sharing the memory or not

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wagnerrp:

and since yours is some form of quadro, rather than a basic nvidia, it almost certainly has dedicated memory

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wagnerrp:

s/nvidia/geforce/

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clever:

ive seen things like onboard video but dedicated (laptop style) memory on a desktop

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Jester05:

hmm .. looking at a P4 2.8 ghz dell box for $71 lol comes w/ a keyboard, mouse, speakers, and 17" mon ..

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clever:

where could i learn info on the quadro and stuff so i wont have to bother you as much?

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Jester05:

.. my mom mentioned wanting a new pc.. may get it for her lol

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clever:

Jester05: could buy a new powerfull one for yourself and give her the old one!

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clever:

just swap the mobo's inside so she gets the new shiny case

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orificium:

Jester05: There was a time when I dual-booted. Not any more. It's just annoying. I have a HTPC backend/frontend and a Windows (for gaming reasons) Desktop Replacement (never buy one of these again).

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Shadow__X:

clever: here is a start

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Jester05:

yeah, I have a P4 2.4ghz running as the FE in my bedroom currently.. considered giving that one to her lol

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Shadow__X:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro#Mobile_applications

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clever:

Shadow__X: ah nice, didnt think it had its own page

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orificium:

One day I'll have a lightweight laptop, and a desktop rig for gaming. :)

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Jester05:

orificium, do you game on ur living room tv via pc? .. I'm not sure I'd like gaming on a lcd tv..

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Jester05:

thats what I'm trying to figure out ;)

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Jester05:

lol

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clever:

orificium: my laptop outdoes the gaming desktop!

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orificium:

Jester05: Nope. I usued to though

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clever:

Jester05: ive tried it, but the text is too small to read

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orificium:

clever: got one of those asus ones?

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clever:

only works well if you know the game by memory

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Jester05:

well I mean in the quality of the picutre

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orificium:

hah

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clever:

orificium: dell, core2duo, 1.8ghz, quadro nvidia chip

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Jester05:

ive seen them b4 but it seemed like the pictured sucked

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orificium:

Jester05: used to play Counter-strike Source on my 46" LCD in WINE!

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Jester05:

my laptop has a c2d 2.0 9600

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orificium:

I loathe gaming in wine though

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orificium:

never again

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Jester05:

lol

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clever:

orificium: ive got almost no problems with WOW in wine

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Jester05:

well I'm looking toward the new ghost recon coming out this fall ;)

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Jester05:

the thing is.. I like gaming w/ a mouse and keyboard. it'd be kind of hard to do in the living room

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orificium:

clever: all the people that play that game, I'm sure there was lots of time spent getting it working just right :)

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Jester05:

maybe I just need to replace my dual monitor configuration with (2) 24"ers

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wagnerrp:

i loved the original GR... but never really got into GRAW

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clever:

Jester05: usb keyboard, usb mouse, usb hub, usb extension cord

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Jester05:

then I could give my mom my p4 2.4ghz box w/ a 15" mon lol

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orificium:

I actually played Grand Theft Auto San Andreas in Wine, and it ran faster than on the same PC running Windows.

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Jester05:

clever, you still have the problem of not having a desk in the living room ;)

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orificium:

load times were amazing.

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clever:

Jester05: i normaly play on the couch with a laptop and usb mouse

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Jester05:

clever, where do you set the mouse?

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clever:

on the couch beside me

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orificium:

of course there was some nasty graphics glitches here and there.

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Jester05:

ohh

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Jester05:

haha orificium vbox? ;_)

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clever:

orificium: the main problem i have is that sometimes it locks up and just uses 0% cpu ocasionaly when it loads 100%, some kind of timeout

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I know that I must be missing something stupid and obvious-- I have cleared out the existing python bindings as best I can, and I am still getting: ! Warning – MythTV python bindings could not be imported. error(name 'MythError' is not defined)

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orificium:

Nah, in Wine.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, from a MNV script

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clever:

orificium: and certain combinations of addons cause a segfault

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Now I know this is user error as the same script works on my other box

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, But is there any chance you could talk me through where it's going wrong?

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orificium:

I'm crossing my fingers HOPING for a native release of Steam and Source

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orificium:

Where the heck is Postal 3.

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Beirdo:

USAir fail today

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Beirdo:

my flight to Philly.... left 2.5h late

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: could you open up python, and try 'from MythTV import MythError'

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orificium:

Beirdo: hey, that's where I live :)

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orificium:

oh that bomb threat on the bathroom wall

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Beirdo:

cool. I'm here for 2 weeks...

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orificium:

I read about that

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Any chance the tiny fix you made earlier could fix this? I just made that one change up here (realizing I hadn't updated to that yet) and I think it's working

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Beirdo:

no, actually, the delay was a busted plane for me

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orificium:

I missed that Mythtv get-together in Philly a little while back :(

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Beirdo:

seal on the left emergency exit wasn't sealing

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: shouldnt be, that was an error in MythLog

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wagnerrp:

but theyre in the same file

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Beirdo:

so we sat in comfort in Seatac Airport while they replaced it and did pressure tests

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wagnerrp:

so if thats the only thing RDV is pulling in

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wagnerrp:

it could be failing on the whole file and that just happens to be what gets reported

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, OK, well whatever I did it seems to be okay now... ignore me

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Beirdo:

at least I had no connecting flights :)

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orificium:

wouldn't it take less time to fire up another plane in the 2.5 hours you waited?

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iamlindoro:

I am pretty sure that's all I did though

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wagnerrp:

CRRRAAAAAAPPPPP!

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orificium:

Jester05: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishL . . . hItemNumber=

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wagnerrp:

my ~60pc bit set just fell off my shelf and spilled all over the floor

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Beirdo:

orificium: you'd think so, wouldn't you?

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Jester05:

nice.. orificium

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orificium:

I get everything from newegg. Helps that their warehouse is in Edison, NJ, and standard shipping takes like 1–2 days :)

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iamlindoro:

(a) warehouse

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iamlindoro:

they have them all over the country

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orificium:

yeah, I suppose it depend son the part.

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iamlindoro:

mine is here in CA, never had it come from elsewhere

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Jester05:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 230468753588

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Jester05:

not a horrible deal when you think about the fact you get a monitor, pc, keyboard/mouse lol

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Shadow__X:

i have had packages ship from ca nj and tn

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Shadow__X:

so newegg does indeed have afew warehouses

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orificium:

I've been using MythTV Player for Windows with minimal issues (rebuffering a lot on certain recordings but I suspect my router is crapping out on me). I was just reading that it's no longer being worked on. I tried going through that long wiki on compiling the MythTV Windows Frontend to no avail. If I spent the time going through it again, is it possible to get it talking to .22 and working properly?

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