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Monday, May 3rd, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Shadow__X:

orificium: if you went into the forums you would see individual users have started work again and if you goto the download page you can download version .0.7 and it will work again also it needs to be noted mythtv player is not in relation to mythtv itself

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orificium:

I had done the attempted compiling awhile back

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Jester05:

haha I'm going to get a full desktop arrangement for $91 shipped..

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Jester05:

I love how tech prices fall

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Jester05:

I mean yeah its only a p4 2.8 but big deal.. running linux you don't need more ;)

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Shadow__X:

orificium: it also should be noted mythtv frontend for windows is in a useable state and can be done off of the wiki page

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orificium:

Jester05: We had a ton of those at my old job (at a telemarketing company). We had so many of those dell optiplex P4 refurbs fail on us, it was ridiculous. Fair warning. :)

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orificium:

Jester05: often times they ran great for a couple months and then we the mobos go bad.

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orificium:

that sentence was a bit retarded, but you get the idea :)

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Jester05:

orificium, I've got one (p4 2.4) I've been running as a mythtv MBE/FE for 3 yrs and now its been acting as a FE only for the past 2 and its fine.. i bought it as a refurb

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orificium:

Shadow__X: Yeah, I was confused by that note in the wiki since I downloaded a recently compiled build — from last month I believe.

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orificium:

Shadow__X: Maybe I'll get the Windows frontend a shot.

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Jester05:

someone just outbid me..

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Jester05:

i bet it was someone in here..

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orificium:

*give not get.

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Jester05:

can't trust anyone these days

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orificium:

paranoia setting in a bit :)

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Shadow__X:

orificium: i would say you have to options that personally work for me which are mythtv frontend which runs well and works well and t he other is mythtv player .0.7 which again also works. you just need to make sure you download the right version of mythtv frontend version and make sure you get .22 and not .22-trunk

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Jester05:

eh, i'll let them have it.. I'll just give her one of my old boxes when I finally migrate to ITX boxes for my FEs

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orificium:

Jester05: http://www.hcditrading.com/ <- that's where we got all those refurbs from.

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orificium:

great company to work with. they shipped out replacements within 90 days pretty much no questions asked.

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Jester05:

you ship back the dead ones or they not even bother?

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orificium:

they didn't even bother

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orificium:

cost too much

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Jester05:

haha awesome

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orificium:

we used them for parts.

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Jester05:

nicely done..

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orificium:

It would be nice to have the full frontend experience in Windows, but I do like the simplicity of the Mythtv Player. And I can use MythWeb again to access MythVideo :)

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Jester05:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 28-_-Product

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Jester05:

buy 4 of them and have a few FEs ? ;)

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Jester05:

would that integrated graphix handle h264?

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orificium:

I've thought about grabbing something like that before for a diskless, fanless frontend I could hide behind a small monitor.

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Jester05:

I think I'll run off of a USB w/ it

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Jester05:

you can get those little 4 gig usb sticks that pretty much fit inside the usb port..

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orificium:

I want a touchscreen frontend in my kitchen :)

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Jester05:

same here..

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Jester05:

I'd also like one in my shower so I could play music, watch news

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orificium:

I suspect it could do h264 using VDPAU since it's a geforce 9400

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Jester05:

yeah.. that was my thought too

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orificium:

might be a bottleneck somewhere with it being Atom? Shrug. No experience with that sorta thing.

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Jester05:

plus its got optical digital audio =)

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wagnerrp:

orificium: mythtv player (in windows) no longer works with mythtv

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Jester05:

orificium, you can get a different cpu version also ;)

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orificium:

wagnerrp: works for me. I'm not sure I understand?

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wagnerrp:

it hasnt been updated past 0.21

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orificium:

theres an option to allow it to connect to newer protocols

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wagnerrp:

thats a _bad_thing_

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orificium:

parses the backend database no problem

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orificium:

plays recordings

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt connect to a protocol you havent been designed to understand

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orificium:

I was trying to get it to use the samba share.

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wagnerrp:

it fakes it, and just so happens that nothing has sufficiently changed to break it

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: there is a beta updated one that has been updated and works

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orificium:

well, the world hasn't exploded yet. I think I'll be ok :)

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orificium:

I'm using that latest version as well I grabbed off sourceforge.

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: something updated in the last two years?

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orificium:

oh yeah

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orificium:

it was released last month

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: unless of course i am mistaken but there is a version that is .7

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orificium:

wagnerrp: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythtvplayer/files/

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Beirdo:

Dang Phillies. Why did they have to clobber the Mets THAT bad?! Especially when MY pitcher in my fantasy league blew out the game?!

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wagnerrp:

ah, last i saw was some hacked up 0.4 that spoofed itself as a modern protocol

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orificium:

sorry, two months ago

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythtvplayer/files/ look at 0.7.0r247

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orificium:

3/23/2010

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Beirdo:

!trout JohanSantana choke artist

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** MythLogBot slaps JohanSantana with a choke artist trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

he single-handedly lost me the weekly match. :)

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wagnerrp:

no source available?

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orificium:

I had been using 0.6.0 on .22 with minimal issues

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, i found it

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orificium:

https://mythtvplayer.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/mythtvplayer mythtvplayer

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orificium:

says last committ 3/26/2010

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orificium:

I sometimes get an error indicating I can't seek in the recording, but not on my frontend.

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orificium:

I hope the automation plugin gets more fleshed out. Definitely some cool potential there. I was intrigued by LinuxMCE but quickly found out how bloated it is.

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wagnerrp:

automation plugin?

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orificium:

wow, that page in the wiki is ancient. nevermind :)

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wagnerrp:

which one is that?

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orificium:

well, last update from 2006 apparently – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythAutomation

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wagnerrp:

never heard of it... probably because its not linked to anywhere

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events

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orificium:

wish I had some decent knowledge of C so I could help out with any related to the project since I've benefited from it so much. I don't think my experience with asp and sql server would help at all. :)

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wagnerrp:

orificium: it doesnt seem to access the database any longer

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orificium:

*anything

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wagnerrp:

backend protocol only

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wagnerrp:

(mythtv player that is)

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wagnerrp:

im not so sure i like how it is accessing the backend

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wagnerrp:

but at least it is only allowing connection between a range of versions

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to arbitrarily connecting to anything it finds

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wagnerrp:

that puts it heads above xbmc in that regard

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orificium:

I didn't much like the interface for XBMC. There is such a thing as too flashy :)

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orificium:

wagnerrp: How does it list out the recordings?

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wagnerrp:

pulls a list from the backend

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orificium:

I like that I can delete recordings right from the interface.

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orificium:

I suppose it's using those system events you reference to make these requests.

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orificium:

(me pretending I understand this stuff to some degree)

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orificium:

Any chance there might be a sort by date modified (descending) MythVideo browse mode? :)

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orificium:

Oh the improvements to the Channel Scanner / Editor are much appreciated. So nice to add/remove channels now.

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jst:

orificium, agreed, but I still thing MythWeb is the easiest way of doing that.

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orificium:

jst: ah yeah, I go into afterwards and add my xmlids from schedulesdirect

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orificium:

And change some of the channel numbers and names

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jst:

orificium, and, if you're like me, delete all the ChristoBabble (no offense) and foreign-language channels while you're at it. :)

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orificium:

actually I delete th eunwanted ones from there too

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orificium:

you're right, the mythweb interface is quite useful

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jst:

UGH, still can't compile MythTV Win32.

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orificium:

<- atheist. offend away. heh.

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wagnerrp:

you usually shouldnt delete channels unless they no longer exist

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jst:

It'd be great if someone could update the wiki page for the Windows frontend. :)

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jst:

orificium, same.

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wagnerrp:

just mark them as not visible

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, your next scan will simply add them right back in

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orificium:

That's a good point. Some of them I mark not visible, but I should probably do that for all of the unwanted ones.

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orificium:

and Comcast likes to change up frequencies every now and then for the HD locals.

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jst:

Does anyone know what could be cause this error: EFFECT FAILED (newer -> shell): mtime of file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/programs/mythbac

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jst:

kend/mythbackend.exe) should be greater than file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/last_build.t

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jst:

xt). ?

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orificium:

You put a line into my apartment, I'll take advantage and not pay a dime :)

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jst:

Do I need to make clean or something?

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orificium:

And no need to worry about OTA antennas and rotors and all that crap.

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wagnerrp:

orificium: mythvideo only includes an insertion date, not a modification date

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jst:

orificium, nice.

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wagnerrp:

adding a 'date modified' field would require a schema update

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orificium:

Get some freebies too like Food, SyFy, History and TLC

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orificium:

SyFy has been a pleasant surprise

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wagnerrp:

besides that, actually sorting would be little more than duplicating the existing 'sort by date added' option

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orificium:

Date Added is generated when JAMU runs, I assume?

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orificium:

Maybe I can modify the jamu script somehow?

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wagnerrp:

what good would that do?

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orificium:

I want to see the latest videos I have in MythVideo in their exact date/time stamp order.

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wagnerrp:

so sort by date added

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orificium:

how often does Jamu run?

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wagnerrp:

that depends, how often do you run it?

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orificium:

I remmeber not liking the interface. I haven't been in MythVIDEO in awhile though

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orificium:

of the Sort by Date Added view

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wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

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orificium:

.22

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember when the sorting stuff went in, that may not be in there until 0.23

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orificium:

it'll always list the folders first in MythVideo too I think.

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orificium:

I have "Browse by Date Added" in there. I remember it used to group them into a tree view though

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orificium:

that's what I didn't like about it.

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orificium:

I also have file browse mode enabled

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wagnerrp:

file browse mode works off the file system, rather than the database

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wagnerrp:

you almost certainly dont want that

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orificium:

ah yeah the file browse mode enabled leaves it looking like folder view still.

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orificium:

Ok so now it breaks it down into a dates which look like they're few and far between so JAMU probably not running that often.

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wagnerrp:

jamu runs whenever you tell it to run

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orificium:

And the inside each date listing, the videos are sorted alphabetically

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will not call it on its own

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orificium:

I think I setup a cron job

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wagnerrp:

then it will run however often cron tells it to

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orificium:

So how can I get it to sort by time within eahc date? :)

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orificium:

might be more useable if I bump up my cron job frequency

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orificium:

Of course I need to clear out some crap so it doesn't have to parse so many files.

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wagnerrp:

does it not sort by time already?

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orificium:

looks alphabetical

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orificium:

maybe not, let me take a closer look

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orificium:

well it certainly wouldn't be by the date modified time

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orificium:

maybe by the jamu date/time added

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wagnerrp:

jamu doesnt touch that value

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wagnerrp:

nor should it

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orificium:

I'm sorry, what updates the metabase with date added values?

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wagnerrp:

the database

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jst:

Do the developers have any plans on releasing Win32 binaries? I don't understand why they have a (largely) broken perl script that never seems to compile correctly instead of just releasing the binaries themselves?

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wagnerrp:

jst: the mythtv developers have never released binaries for any system, ever

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wagnerrp:

windows is no exception

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orificium:

and how often does that run? Is there somewhere I can modify the frequency a twhich it runs?

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wagnerrp:

orificium: what runs?

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orificium:

the metabase updates

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orificium:

for mythvideo listings

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wagnerrp:

the database is always running

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orificium:

there isn't some frequency at which it updates the "date added" value?

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wagnerrp:

no, it only sets it the one time

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orificium:

or is it as soon as I add a file to /lib/mythtv/videos...or whatever the heck it is.

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wagnerrp:

as soon as the entry is added

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wagnerrp:

no, the file is not added to the database until you perform a scan

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wagnerrp:

either by mythvideo internally, or with jamu

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wagnerrp:

there is no automated scan

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orificium:

Is there any script or parameter I can possibly tweak a bit (outside of compiled code) that would let me achieve the result I'm looking for?

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand what youre looking for?

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orificium:

heh. maybe I'm not explaining it right. If say I copy 1 video to /var/lib/mythtv/videos and I go into MythVideo. I won't see that video until I hit W, correct?

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wagnerrp:

no, you wont see that video until you tell mythvideo to scan

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orificium:

Isn't that what W does?

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wagnerrp:

you wont have metadata for that video until you have selected that video and hit 'w'

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orificium:

Or M -> Scan for Changes

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orificium:

ah right

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orificium:

ok

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orificium:

confusing the two things again :)

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orificium:

So MythVideo doesn't "Scan for Changes" when I go into it?

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wagnerrp:

no

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orificium:

Is there some limitation or reason for not doing that?

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orificium:

or providing an option

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clever:

scanning takes a long time

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wagnerrp:

scanning is something that can take some time

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wagnerrp:

better leave it user initiated, or else people are going to complain about mythvideo taking so long to load

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orificium:

I suppose it depend son how powerful of a machine it is, and how clean your folders are. But a frontend option would be nice.

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clever:

its more of hdd speed i think

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wagnerrp:

there is no frontend option, nor will there ever be a frontend option

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orificium:

aww :)

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wagnerrp:

the current plan is to move mythvideo completely to storage groups, removing direct file access

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wagnerrp:

at which point the backend can maintain a file list that mythvideo will simply grab when it enter

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orificium:

Ok, so there will be a automated operation on the backend that'll update the date added field?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will never set the date added field

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wagnerrp:

nor will jamu, nor will any of the official bindings

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orificium:

Alright now you've confused me. So how is it I can sort by Date Added?

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wagnerrp:

as i said way way back, the database sets that field

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wagnerrp:

or 'metabase' as you prefer to call it

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orificium:

sorry. using the wrong terms. I was confusing what JAMU does with updating the meta info on the videos with the database of files

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[R]:

encore and friends don't have commericals right?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: not mid-show, i dont think

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[R]:

i need to set my commerical free flags

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orificium:

So following along my scenario, if I add a second file to /var/lib/mythtv/videos on the same day, you're saying the "date added" view sub-tree for let's say Mon May 3 should show that second file higher on the list?

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea, i havent looked at the code

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wagnerrp:

but that would make sense to me

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orificium:

provided I "Scan for Changes"

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beav_35:

can i use the fedora init.d scripts on ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

im gonna say no...

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wagnerrp:

but having not used either systems, i cant say for certain

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[R]:

i've read about this before... i have some "mythbackend --generate-preview" processes and my http status page isn't working... can it be fixed?

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wagnerrp:

however thats really a question for their respective channels

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wagnerrp:

#ubuntu or #fedora

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beav_35:

ok thanks

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orificium:

I just added a file to /var/lib/mythtv/videos, did scan for changes, viewing in browse by date added. But the first date in my list is Fri Dec 11. I'm a bit confused.

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orificium:

Oh hm, under M->Filter Display there is a "Sort by" selection. Title, Season/Ep, Year, User Rating, Runtime, Filename, and Video ID are the options. That's probably where I'd want the Date Added option for each grouped date in the tree view listing.

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orificium:

So it's definitely grouping by date and then by Title

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orificium:

curious about that recently added file not spawning a new grouped date of Mon May 3

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orificium:

Must get some rest though. wagnerrp: thanks for taking the time to explain some of this stuff to me.

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jstenback:

is it common for messages sent to the mythtv-users mailing list to take a while to come through?

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jstenback:

like 30 minutes+?

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wagnerrp:

it happens sometimes

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jstenback:

k

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wagnerrp:

although i havent received it yet either

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, you can always check the mail archives

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wagnerrp:

it will show up there as soon as it was received

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jstenback:

ok. I just checked the archives, and nothing there either

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jstenback:

I guess I'll give it to tomorrow and resend if it doesn't make it through

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: out of curiosity, when did you send the message about myth.find_orphans.pl?

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wagnerrp:

30 seconds ago

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jstenback:

huh, so that came right through then

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jstenback:

I wonder if I got stuck in some moderator queue or something...

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wagnerrp:

there is no moderation on the mailing list

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jstenback:

hmm...

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oobe:

i just found a legal website that streams HD tv eps and its TOS allow people from all over the world to use it with any 3rd party application they like including such things as dloading and viewing later

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[R]:

what website

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zzpat:

am I correct in assuming that 0.23 will be ready when all of the active tickets against milestone 0.23 are closed?

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zzpat:

(just for those of us playing along at home who want to check in on the progress can follow what is happening)

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Dibblah:

oobe: That sounds... Unlikely.

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oobe:

zzpat, if you want to check in on progress just install the 23 fixes branch

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stuarticus:

Does anyone knoe why my wintv Nova T stick isn't working in Myth-TV, it doesn't seem to be recognised, when trying with most software i get "no /dev/video0" it does work in Kaffeine however, so it must be functional, all dmesg looks fine...

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stuarticus:

Do I need to use /dev/dvb/adapter0/something as the device instead?

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pak0:

i have tested nova-td and nova-td-hd on mythtv 0.23 with mythbuntu 10.04 and works like a charm

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pak0:

my personal fight stills continues with the infamous af9015

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stuarticus:

Out of the box?

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pak0:

just upgraded

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pak0:

and working very well continuosly in about 4–5 days w/o restart pc

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pak0:

but the stupid af9015 when you stills w/o watch tv for about 4–5hours, when you return only can watch a black screen

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stuarticus:

Did mythtv find the device with no fiddling?

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stuarticus:

Did you have to create udev rules?

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pak0:

this is for me? what rules? mythtv can set the captured devices, but now cant find channels

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stuarticus:

Hmm, in Kaffeine I could find channels and watch tv, but no program guide, maybe I'll try with the live cd of 10.04 and see if it works

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emanuelez:

hello... anybody using MythTV with a dvb-s2 card here?

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pak0:

nice

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pak0:

http://pastebin.org/199394

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pak0:

and now my card dont work

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highzeth:

emanuelez: sure

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emanuelez:

highzeth: I'm looking for info about mythtv + cccam but I had no luck so far... do you know anything about it?

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jarle:

I suspect there might be a problem with unstable diseqc switching in my setup, is there a debug level I could use for the backend to monitor diseqc switches?

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highzeth:

emanuelez: first off, thats not dvb-s2 spesific, second, its a big nono to discuss such here

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emanuelez:

I guessed so... I actually use the original card from my provider (Sky Italy)... it's just not legal to bring the decoder they provide you outside of Italy and I live abroad so I have to setup something alternative

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highzeth:

jarle: I dont know about debug logging with DiSEqC's, but have you tried to increase the repeat count? I had to set that to 2 or 3 on some DiSEqC's in the past.

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jarle:

highzeth: I have tried setting it to 2, and it seemed to add a bit of stability. But I still experience that live tv is unable tune to a channel, and I have to change input back and forth to be able to tune to a channel.

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jarle:

highzeth: I was thinking this was maybe related to a diseqc bug/problem..

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highzeth:

Right, same issues I got with some Biltema switches I had. Some of my STB had similar issues, so I filed it under cheap-switch-go-die, but I might be wrong

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jarle:

highzeth: so I wanted to confirm that the backend actually sends the diseqc signal when supposed to..

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: interesting issue with relying on the release date for a given locale to indicate the age/production year, Chinatown (1974) wasn't released until 2004 in the UK :)

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, heh, yeah, I am sure that's one of several locale-aware bugs that are likely to crop up

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jarle:

highzeth: I'm having problems desciding if it is a problem with the card(s) or the switches..

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, speaking of which, don't know if you saw but I started working on the <mythtv:> tags for MNV last night-- first one I did was supported countries

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iamlindoro:

it's parsed but nothing is done with it yet

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iamlindoro:

once the FE supports locale setting I'll build the tree/search results based on allowed countries

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highzeth:

jarle well, some tuners are *very* picky I have found, even tho DiSEqC 2.0 should be backwards compat, they tend to fail alot with tuners that only support 1.0

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highzeth:

jarle do keep me posted if you find any relevant info on this, Id love to go through my stash of "dead" DiSEqC's. Dinner here, bbl =)

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jarle:

highzeth: oki.

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: nice

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, and season and episode, which RDV's current projects should be able to make use of

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stuartm:

yeah I noticed that bit as I glanced over the commit emails this morning

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jarle:

highzeth: definately seems to be a problem with diseqc switching. I start out at the first card, tune to a channel LNB1 -> OK, then try to tune to a channel on LNB4 -> No lock. Switch input to second card, then switch back to the first card, try the channel on LNB4 again, and suddenly I have no problem tuning...

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, RDV_Linux, so I'm still seeing the hung python processes, had two this morning-- seems to be variable when they will hit but they seem to invariably peg a core each

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iamlindoro:

There's one going right now, if there's any way to attach to the process and see what it's doing

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, useless backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427060/

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: A thought would be to pipe the command line to a log file and add the "V" (verbose) option. When you kill the hung process the piped log could be used as a kind of trace,

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I have done so, all it shows is the end of what appears to be a successful run

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Well at least do one for me please maybe I can see something. I am grasping at straws to be honest.

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iamlindoro:

K, will need to kill the current hung process and wait for the next, then

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Please do something like " > bug.log 2>&1" maybe will give more data.

[10:42:36]

iamlindoro:

yep, did so

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RDV_Linux:

thanks

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I will also resync here and see if I am having issues. I have not resynced since last Friday.

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DQn3ts:

hey anyone know about mythweb?

[11:46:55]

DQn3ts:

when i go to http://mydomain , it directs me directly to http://mydomain/mythweb

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DQn3ts:

instead of my index.html

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DQn3ts:

any idea why this is and how i change that?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like something your distro did when you installed mythweb

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DQn3ts:

I want to make a secure home page with links to all my web based stuff (vnc, ssh, mythweb, file browser)

[11:47:35]

bjd:

using ubuntu?

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DQn3ts:

yea

[11:47:40]

DQn3ts:

10.04

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DQn3ts:

it did the same thing with 9.10

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wagnerrp:

by default, mythweb lives on /mythweb, and will not do anything above that directory

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bjd:

check the files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled

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DQn3ts:

right, it is in /var/www/mythweb

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sphery:

DQn3ts: need to fix the alias, likely

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bjd:

there's some redirects iirc

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wagnerrp:

DQn3ts: mythweb will not add such a redirect on its own

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wagnerrp:

thats something your distro did for you

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sphery:

DQn3ts: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/434201#434201

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DQn3ts:

ok it says modify the conf for apache

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DQn3ts:

lemme google where thats located

[11:51:08]

Dibblah:

Josu Lazkano – "I know that x is usually never discussed because it's usually used for service theft. I only want to use it to (steal service), so I'll talk about it."

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: python has recursion limiters, so if you were caught in some DictData snafu, it would crash on its own

[11:51:32]

wagnerrp:

Dibblah: ... :)

[11:52:45]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: right now, the only thing i can think somewhere there is a 'while True' statement, that never turns false and so never exits

[11:54:02]

wagnerrp:

the only one of those that exists in the bindings is in the socket code

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wagnerrp:

but it will only stay in the loop if the backend keeps sending new event messages

[11:54:55]

wagnerrp:

or, if it sitting there waiting for data that backend has told it will be sent

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DQn3ts:

i dont see anything in the apache.conf

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DQn3ts:

lemme look elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

the latter scenario has the possibility for failure, and is something i should fix

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: also, RDV had me add a couple classes for access to the MNV tables, so the schema in the bindings has to be bumped whenever you bump the MNV schema

[11:58:14]

wagnerrp:

theyre very basic and read only

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wagnerrp:

all they care about is the table name (_table variable) and some unique key (_where variable)

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wagnerrp:

so long as neither of those change, feel free to bump on your own

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I'll keep that in mind, thanks, I'm sure to add a few more columns in the next few months

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pak0:

hi there

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: this patch adds an alarm signal to socket code, to break out of the loop if it tries to run too long

[12:25:30]

wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/python.alarm.patch

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pak0:

the new adapter af9015 have two leds, orange and green, i think it shows the status of the device

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how that code could get caught in an endless loop AND consume a full core

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wagnerrp:

but just in case

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markl_:

what's up?

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markl_:

mythtv 0.23 is working pretty much perfectly for me now, thanks all for your help!

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DQn3ts:

k wagnerrp

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DQn3ts:

it is a mythweb setting

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DQn3ts:

it asks if you want to use apache for mythweb exclusively

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wagnerrp:

where is that setting?

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DQn3ts:

but it doesnt ask when you enable it with mythbuntu control centre

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bjd:

thats teh package handling the apache config tho?

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DQn3ts:

i did dpkg-reconfigure

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bjd:

yeah

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DQn3ts:

and it asked yes or no

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bjd:

so not really a myth thing

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DQn3ts:

selected no and all is well

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wagnerrp:

so thats something your distro does

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wagnerrp:

nothing to do with mythweb

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, thanks, I'll apply that and try to trigger it again

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wagnerrp:

gbee: if cards are actually hybrid cards, but analog isnt supported until linux.... would they go in the hybrid category? or the digital category?

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wagnerrp:

(or both)

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liminal:

Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T 500 PCI will this card work out of the box in lucid?

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bjd:

in short, yes – check the wiki

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wagnerrp:

that would be the http://linuxtv.org/wiki

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wagnerrp:

working 'out of the box' implies that the kernel in lucid includes the drivers for that card

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wagnerrp:

would have to ask the linuxtv people what release saw those drivers get added, and the ubuntu people what kernel theyre using

[13:33:22]

wagnerrp:

here, we just use the dvb api, we dont know what makes it work

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liminal:

:s im a noob, when I go to watch TV it says no active recordings

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liminal:

what do i need to setup?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and/or your tuner card

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liminal:

ive installed mythtv front and backend

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wagnerrp:

please follow one of the many available setup guides

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wagnerrp:

installation isnt enough, mythtv will not autodetect and autoconfigure your hardware for you

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liminal:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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liminal:

?

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bjd:

check teh link wagnerrp gave you

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

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wagnerrp:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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wagnerrp:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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wagnerrp:

that even seems to have special instructions for your specific card

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liminal:

They suggest i dont need to update the firmware

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liminal:

great

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liminal:

but what do i need to do

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iamlindoro:

liminal, You need to read the manual and set up mythtv-- installing packages is not enough, there is a substantial setup process

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iamlindoro:

When you do that, if you have trouble with specific steps, you can ask questions here

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wagnerrp:

liminal: see any of those links i sent you do

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wagnerrp:

they all provide install guides

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liminal:

thanks ill give it a whirl

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dfletcher:

hmm is there money to be made being doing Myth installs? it would be quite fun to work on Myth all day and send college kids out to install customer systems. I could drop these silly website clients and do something interesting for a change ;)

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liminal:

and sure ill be back

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liminal:

cos im not the brightest sandwich in the barsket

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: many people have tried in the past, dont know if any are currently operating

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wagnerrp:

one of the mythbuntu devs is trying to set something like that up

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dfletcher:

heh I like dreaming of my hobby being my job too :)

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** mag0o wishes he could get paid to drink **

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dfletcher:

heh I should be like those late night TV assholes and sell a system for setting up Myth based businesses :P

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: watch the language

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dfletcher:

oh heh sry

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dfletcher:

I'm used to channels (##electronics I'm looking at you!) that don't much care ;)

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wagnerrp:

the rules are intended to make this channel more friendly to people who dont know what theyre doing, and shouldnt be frightened or offended away by abusive users

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wagnerrp:

in contrast, everyone in ##electronics should already have a good idea what theyre doing, and if they dont, they need to be frightened or offended away

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wagnerrp:

lest they damage whatever theyre working on, or themselves

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dfletcher:

heh so in other words, this channel is PG-13 :P

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wagnerrp:

just no swearing, or discussion of banned topics

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Jay2k1:

i bought a spdif extension for my asus m2npv-vm today, now i have trouble getting it to work

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Jay2k1:

it just doesn't light up and I don't know where to change settings

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liminal:

okay im going through the setup

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liminal:

and im at the Input Connections

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liminal:

This associates our DVB card with the video source.

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liminal:

but i cant scan for any channels

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liminal:

its greyed out?

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wagnerrp:

liminal: sounds like you added the card as a V4L card

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wagnerrp:

and are using 0.22

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gbee:

wagnerrp: I guess in hybrid, but maybe we need three different states 'supported', 'partially supported' and 'unsupported'? And if we do that, maybe I need to learn how we might use #if e.g. {{hardware|supported|hybrid card|0.22}} where that second arg would govern the colour with the #if

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wagnerrp:

maybe yellow for partially supported?

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gbee:

I should have planned this out from the beginning

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liminal:

nope dvb

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wagnerrp:

liminal: then you probably havent yet associated a source with your card input

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gbee:

wagnerrp: aye, that would be my suggestion too, a traffic light system – which is what this all started out to be initially, a way of indicating at a glance whether hardware would work without having to read through each page

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liminal:

thanks wagnerrp yuour right

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** wagnerrp loves trashing the hopes and dreams of future mythtv users **

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wagnerrp:

'I have these great 1U P4 Xeon servers i want to use as my backends'

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dfletcher:

heh I actually love this Dell I'm using from some old project. at least it's a P5 ;) but the main thing thats so good is this huge tower case. this can hold a *ton* of 3.5" disks :)

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wagnerrp:

P5? that was the codename for the original pre-mmx pentium

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dfletcher:

err. P6 sorry. /me wanders off to find more coffee

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wagnerrp:

so the pentium pro... pentium + mmx

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: uh, no.

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AndyCap:

I think that only came with PII

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_P5_(microarchitecture)

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_P6_(microarchitecture)

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AndyCap:

Pentium MMX and PII had MMX iirc. Pentium and Pentium Pro did not

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wagnerrp:

ah, so that was indepedent, and done afterwards

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wagnerrp:

either way... its an /old/ chip

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AndyCap:

oh yeah.

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iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1471230

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

why isnt the 'Instarnal' player working? it keeps trying to call some external program named 'Instarnal'

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dfletcher:

lol oopsie

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AndyCap:

at least he didn't say Infernal

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: no... that would have been witty instead of just retarded

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** wagnerrp thinks someone should hand kenni another cup **

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iamlindoro:

s/cup/pint/

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wagnerrp:

this is ubuntu, they drink coffee over there

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wagnerrp:

i guess we could make it irish

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AndyCap:

They smoke coffee

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wagnerrp:

i like the suggestion to use VLC as an external player instead, since mythvideo doesnt support ISOs over storage groups... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1469359

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wagnerrp:

oh, no... hes recommending using VLC to play the physical disk

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to the ISO stored on the backend

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wagnerrp:

thats worthless AND offtopic

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dfletcher:

hmm wagnerrp do you recommend vlc + storage groups over frontend-local/NFS? I want the storage groups for jamu but also want ISO support. so VLC is a good hack for now until the full streaming solution works?

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: im not recommending VLC, im mocking the recommendation of VLC

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dfletcher:

oh heh

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dfletcher:

well the iso is an issue, though I can see it's only temporarly

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wagnerrp:

when you use external players with storage groups, it gives the external player a full 'myth://Videos@my-backend/path/to/file.mpg' uri

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wagnerrp:

currently mythavtest is the only player i know of that can actually handle that link

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dfletcher:

oh right I remember seeing that when I pointed it to a script

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wagnerrp:

at which point you may as well use the internal player directly

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dfletcher:

heh I though of using a bit of `sed` and making it local

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dfletcher:

right but jamu doesn't like it local

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RDV_Linux:

dfletcher: Could you use a FE setting to just your iso directory and have SG's for the rest? Jamu supports mixing,

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: that only works if its local

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: and then it only works if you have a single path defined for the Videos group

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wagnerrp:

if you have multiple paths, you would have to search through each of them to find the file

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dfletcher:

sed + find :P

[14:44:02]

dfletcher:

well

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dfletcher:

really just append the path to some predefined paths and check they exist

[14:44:26]

dfletcher:

but anyway, it's a hack

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wagnerrp:

s/hack/ugly hack/

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dfletcher:

hehe

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dfletcher:

RDV_Linux, thought about that. but then I have a folder full of movies without metadata. I suppose I could do a manual lookup on them all

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wagnerrp:

at least my version of the ugly hack was provided a fusefs mount with the single file, regardless of whether it was local or remote

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dfletcher:

and it's rather arbitrary

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wagnerrp:

but i even consider that an ugly hack

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dfletcher:

well I don't really care how ugly the hack is because I'm assuming this will just work right in 0.24 ;)

[14:46:19]

dfletcher:

so it's completely temporary

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dfletcher:

I just want it to work :P

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dfletcher:

I guess I'll do what RDV_Linux suggests

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RDV_Linux:

dfletcher: If you isolated the ISO files on the NFS and made sure they were not part of the SG dirs no duplicates. I use mhddfs and I can do some interesting tricks with virtual drives.

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wagnerrp:

well someone needs to actually sit down and write up the code to override the normal block access for those libraries with myth's own SG routines

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wagnerrp:

im not aware if anyone has actually started into doing that

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dfletcher:

heh thanks RDV_Linux that answers another question I've been wondering about. combining disks without a super expensive raid setup. what happens if one of the mhddfs disks dies?

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RDV_Linux:

dfletcher: I swear by mhddfs as it has never failed me even once. I love that you can set a limit where it will leave a specific amount of free space before moving to the next drive.

[14:57:51]

dfletcher:

I mean though – say hardware failure. are both disks toast?

[14:58:15]

dfletcher:

or are the files on the disk that's ok recoverable?

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dfletcher:

seems like an ok setup for recorded TV. not sure sure about my movie collection :P

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RDV_Linux:

dfletcher: The whole mhddfs drive does not come up but you get a warning during the boot process.

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RDV_Linux:

dfletcher: At least from your question I do not see any difference than with any JBOD set up. I use rsync to backup my video collection to a separate large drive. As I can be specific to recordings and skip transcoded DVDs videos thus maximizing my need for backup hard drive space.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: does that run off an existing filesystem? or off the raw disk node?

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dfletcher:

heh yeah I should get a big external USB for backup, sounds smart

[15:03:17]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: existing. You can mix and match drives into virtual disks

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wagnerrp:

cool

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I really do swear by it. When I add a new drive it makes moving things around and inclusion very easy.

[15:04:39]

wagnerrp:

i tried to do something like that years ago with unionfs, but it just didnt work as desired

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Of course Raid is the best but I do not want to buy all the extra drives. I only really want to backup only some of my media.

[15:05:21]

dfletcher:

yeah it's hard to justify 1+0.. but it's pretty much what i want

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: for backups, i find it easier to just use bare drives and an esata dock like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153071

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dfletcher:

I guess nightly rsyncs are good enough

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wagnerrp:

'the following is a two question political survey'...

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wagnerrp:

gah!

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dfletcher:

oh hey neat. I'll pickup a controller with some external ports

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wagnerrp:

you would think after me hanging up on them the last five times straight, they would understand i dont want to take the survey

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: ive got a desk drawer next to me filled with old SATA hard drives and some silica packets

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dfletcher:

heh I have a similar box but it goes all the way back to ata-33 :P

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive still got a couple of those laying around, but i dont use them anymore

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Here is the relevant fstab mhddfs settings I use to create my virtual dives. http://paste.ubuntu.com/427190/

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dfletcher:

hmm and if my mom hadn't thrown it away I'd still have this awesome "hard card" from like 1983. an ISA card with a disk and controller built in :P

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wagnerrp:

my laptop is the only computer i have still running an ATA drive

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: im content with my raid6 card, and ill probably swtich to raidz2 with my next install... just thought that was a neat little program

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johnnyj:

is danielk still around ?

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wagnerrp:

not in here, hes not

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johnnyj:

i'm reading the commit logs on libs/libmythtv/videosource.cpp in an attempt to wrap my brain around configuration objects and how they store and retrieve

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jst:

Where do I go again to get support for MythTV for Windows? I'm getting compiling errors when making mythbackend.exe.

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wagnerrp:

probably best to try on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

few people run the frontend on windows

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jst:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ ?

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wagnerrp:

close enough

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jst:

Should I post in users or devs?

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wagnerrp:

gossamer-threads is just a 3rd party that provides a mailing list archive, they do not run the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

-users

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johnnyj:

is there a -O overriade possible for backend server name?

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liminal:

how do i control myth tv menus with my mouse?

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liminal:

i can scroll up and down, but not click activate any of the menus

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gbee:

liminal: which version?

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gbee:

oh wait, the OSD menu? You can't, it's not been ported to the new code yet

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liminal:

er.. the lastest i guess

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liminal:

latest stable

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wagnerrp:

liminal: right, the new OSD code has not yet been merged into the main tree

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wagnerrp:

stable or developemtn

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wagnerrp:

its being developed off on its own branck

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liminal:

and how to i turn off fullscreen

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wagnerrp:

frontend settings

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wagnerrp:

set the screen size to something other than full screen, and turn on 'windowed'

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jst:

wagnerrp, thanks. Just sent an email.

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jst:

wagnerrp, they make you look important.

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sdog:

how do I start debugging "Error in 100335:84: error occurred while parsing element" ?

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wagnerrp:

i mean for use with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

sdog: need some more information than that

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sdog:

put mythfilldatabase in -v all but it doesn't really tell me more detail ..

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liminal:

release 023

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wagnerrp:

im sure it gives a LOT more than just that

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liminal:

osd?

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wagnerrp:

but just a guess, im going to say thats an 'xml element'

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sdog:

wagnerrp: yeah but which one :)

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wagnerrp:

which means youre feeding it bad xml code from your xmltv grabber

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sdog:

wagnerrp: that's what I assumed .. but how to figure out which part ..

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sdog:

wagnerrp: grabber hasn't changed since 2008 ...

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wagnerrp:

sdog: but the source may very well have

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sdog:

wagnerrp: sure it might have changed over the past couple of days ..

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sdog:

but I still get data ..

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sdog:

and the xml file indicate data for 15 days ..

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sdog:

so how do I figure out where the parsing barfs ? :)

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wagnerrp:

an xml parser?

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liminal:

the theme osd wont let me?

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wagnerrp:

liminal: the old OSD code is being scrapped and rewritten

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wagnerrp:

the new code supports mouse inputs, the old code did not

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sdog:

wagnerrp: you got an example ? or a pointer to an example on how to debug an xmltv.xml file ?

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liminal:

does the mythoutput have to be fullscreen?

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wagnerrp:

no, you set that in the frontend settings

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liminal:

i want a shortcut key to switch between full and nonfull

[16:40:52]

liminal:

can i setup that?

[16:40:56]

wagnerrp:

no

[16:41:08]

liminal:

:(

[16:41:09]

wagnerrp:

mythfrontend cannot dynamically switch between multiple resolutions

[16:41:30]

liminal:

when is the new code due for release?

[16:41:38]

johnnyj:

well -

[16:41:40]

liminal:

i really need to be able to use my mouse

[16:41:46]

wagnerrp:

the new code will not be able to dynamically switch between multiple resolutions

[16:41:49]

liminal:

otherwise i have to setup my remote IR

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gbee:

it's not a desktop video player, it's a media centre, the only reason we're adding mouse support is for touchscreens

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liminal:

i can live with it if i can have my mouse

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johnnyj:

you COULD do that with an outside script that ended and restarted myth in another resolution – but for all purposes it's not happening on the fly

[16:42:47]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: with 'on the fly' meaning you lose your current place in the menu, and take several seconds to close and restart the frontend

[16:42:59]

liminal:

gbee – i thought it was trying to do both

[16:43:03]

johnnyj:

right – it's not really practical

[16:43:18]

liminal:

do you know of a program that might better suit my needs?

[16:43:42]

wagnerrp:

liminal: the new UI code was added in 0.22, and is a work in progress

[16:43:49]

jst:

wagnerrp, I'm really missing mythrename. Symlinks don't play very well in VLC for some reason. Lots of skipping. Any ideas? (I'm trying to watch some shows from a Windows box)

[16:43:52]

wagnerrp:

the new OSD code has not yet been committed

[16:44:04]

wagnerrp:

the UI is what you see when in the menu, the OSD is what you see during playback

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jst:

Ohh, I'm using mythlink --link /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and sharing that directory with Samba.

[16:44:24]

johnnyj:

liminal: can you explain your use case for needing to switch resolutions?

[16:45:10]

wagnerrp:

jst: symlinks and direct files make no difference over samba

[16:45:15]

liminal:

do any of the themes allow for mouse?

[16:45:22]

liminal:

or are they all like osd

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wagnerrp:

the look exactly the same to the client

[16:45:29]

jst:

Good point. None of the files are playing correctly with VLC right now.

[16:45:41]

PeaceKeeper:

wagnerrp: Can the new OSD be interactive? Write a chat client (irc / twitter) to use it during tv/recording play back.

[16:45:57]

wagnerrp:

liminal: the new UI themes all support mouse input, as per the new code

[16:46:03]

jst:

Ugh, I think Windows 7 is trying to make thumbnails of 7 GB HD recordings across my network. :(

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wagnerrp:

the old OSD does not support mouse input, so neither do any other old OSD themes

[16:46:22]

wagnerrp:

its simply not something that is up to the theme

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wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: possibly, dont know much about the new OSD code

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PeaceKeeper:

ok thx :)

[16:47:35]

PeaceKeeper:

If it can I may have to try writting something :)

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liminal:

test

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[17:02:27]

johnnyj:

the old libs like to hang out at /usr/local/include/mythtv and where else?

[17:02:45]

wagnerrp:

libs should never go there

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johnnyj:

im getting a segfauilt and im trying to clear out my old libs for svn compiled install

[17:03:43]

wagnerrp:

headers live in $(PREFIX)/include

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wagnerrp:

libs are in.... wait for it...

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wagnerrp:

$(PREFIX)/libs

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gbee:

e.g. /usr/local/lib/libmyth* + the mythtv directory

[17:13:18]

iamlindoro:

yay, now we even have bugs open for the web site

[17:13:19]

iamlindoro:

sigh

[17:13:38]

skd5aner:

hey, at least I submitted the actual fix

[17:13:40]

skd5aner:

;)

[17:13:47]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, You couldn'

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wagnerrp:

hey, youre using IE

[17:13:56]

iamlindoro:

couldn't just ping xris?

[17:14:10]

** wagnerrp slaps skd5aner **

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skd5aner:

I use lots of browsers

[17:14:34]

skd5aner:

mainly IE and firefox, but yea – if it's broke, figured I'd figure out why

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** wagnerrp suggests a bit of javascript to change the mythtv.org frontpage to ponies when IE is detected **

[17:15:04]

iamlindoro:

Figuring out is fine, just wish we didn't have to track tickets for it

[17:15:09]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry, I didn't think a bug report was the wrong thing...

[17:17:36]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, It's just not something I'd prefer to see us have to deal with yet more tickets for, we're barely keeping our heads above water with just the code itself

[17:17:53]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I understand why people don't like IE, but I don't get the extreme anti-IE sentiments... people are going to use it, it's an extremely popular browser, and it ain't going away. Thank God IE6 is fading fast, but...

[17:18:04]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry :(

[17:18:09]

iamlindoro:

Handling it in trac sets a bad precedent, that's all, because we could easily get 100 more tickets is people figure we're accepting tickets for that too

[17:18:18]

iamlindoro:

er if people

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: its more just that it gets a bad history

[17:18:42]

skd5aner:

try to help out, and I guess I did that wrong too

[17:18:52]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yup, definitely true

[17:19:07]

wagnerrp:

i imagine 8 is a pretty decent browser

[17:19:12]

wagnerrp:

but 5 and 6 were awful

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, I'm not trying to make you feel bad about helping, I'm glad you did, I just see a ticket for something that literally one of us is allowed to change and I take a huge gulp

[17:19:28]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: Close it as invalid I guess if you want to send a message to others not to submit similiar mythtv.org tickets to trac

[17:19:33]

wagnerrp:

and they were awful with huge market shares

[17:19:56]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, because the gating factor for web site fixes is a single person who is seldom if ever around. I'm not going to close it invalid, I'm just crossing my fingers that it won't become a trend

[17:20:17]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, I *do* apprecaite your finding the fix, I'm just expressing that the dev list might be a better place next time

[17:20:23]

skd5aner:

NP – I think I might have seen 1–2 others over the years on there...

[17:20:39]

skd5aner:

yea, the list makes more sense... will keep that in mind next time

[17:21:03]

johnnyj:

round of applause for submitting the fix with the problem

[17:21:27]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I saw an awesome infographic a year or so ago about the evolution of the browser marketshare

[17:21:38]

johnnyj:

i'm still not using IE

[17:21:45]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I'll try to dig it up, it's awesome

[17:22:31]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: http://michaelvandaniker.com/labs/browserVisualization/

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wagnerrp:

wait, this is the firefox logo

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skd5aner:

looks a heck of a lot like it ;)

[17:23:47]

skd5aner:

if you mouseover, from the center to the outside is a month by month view of the browser stats for w3schools.com

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wagnerrp:

yeah...

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what these 'other' browsers are in 06

[17:24:49]

iamlindoro:

NCSA mosaic FTW?

[17:24:58]

wagnerrp:

some sort of smartphone browser?

[17:25:07]

sid3windr:

konqueror?

[17:25:38]

sid3windr:

wget :>

[17:25:52]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: which color?

[17:25:59]

skd5aner:

oh, the missing bit

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johnnyj:

later guys

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wagnerrp:

mozilla died soo.... quickly...

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skd5aner:

within 2 months, 16.5% to 3.4%

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markl_:

3.4% of what?

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PeaceKeeper:

IE 5 still in June 2008!

[17:29:09]

markl_:

the browser market?

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markl_:

i guess i'm not the only one who switched to chromium

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wagnerrp:

within 2 months of the 1.0 release, nearly the entire mozilla market moved to firefox

[17:31:51]

wagnerrp:

i wonder what percentage were using mozilla, and what percentage were actually using firebird

[17:31:54]

skd5aner:

It is interesting to look at something like this: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09 . . . -decline.ars and see the difference between the "masses" and the technically oriented crowds

[17:32:56]

skd5aner:

Worldwide marketshare: 66.97% used a varient of IE, 22.98% used Firefox

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skd5aner:

Ars Technia readers: 18.95% used a varient of IE, 45.47% used firefox

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skd5aner:

and no surprise, the apple fanbois who go there are 22.94%

[17:33:46]

skd5aner:

(safari)

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wagnerrp:

'i apologize for being brief with my comment, i am reading ars on my iphone'

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wagnerrp:

do they say if thats from a survey? or from their server logs?

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skd5aner:

doesn't say

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skd5aner:

I'm guessing logs: "With Safari 4's release, the browser has managed to finally surpass Internet Explorer on our site, despite having one sixteenth of IE's share worldwide."

[17:35:59]

wagnerrp:

i have no problem with people using apple because they want to

[17:36:25]

wagnerrp:

i have problems with people using apple because they 'want to be different than the idiot pc users', or because they want to be trendy

[17:36:25]

skd5aner:

I have a problem with apple, not necessarily the users, but that's just me

[17:37:17]

dustybin:

one can build a low powered NAS backup server for under £50

[17:37:19]

dustybin:

http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:slug

[17:37:23]

skd5aner:

I don't hate their products, I really just don't like their company

[17:38:22]

gbee:

Apple is increasingly attempting to be more like Microsoft than Microsoft

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wagnerrp:

gbee: it doesnt help that Jobs is increasingly becoming an arrogant tool

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: if youve already got a server on hand, why do you need a backup server?

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skd5aner:

heh- #8414 – full US english translations: "There might be others but as English is not my mother tongue I might have missed them."

[17:40:55]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: its not like you can run much in the way of services on that thing

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iamlindoro:

Yep, sad that our american users are so useless that a frenchman had to make ours

[17:41:08]

skd5aner:

I guess we have to outsource US translations too! ;)

[17:41:16]

wagnerrp:

so youre still going to have to get your main server back up and running before you can actually use that backed up data again

[17:41:18]

gbee:

skd5aner: yeah, that one tickled iamlindoro

[17:42:06]

iamlindoro:

On the plus side, our american users are happy to help provide project management advice, so you know, that's good.

[17:42:41]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I had considered looking at it prior to .24, but really – never done translations before, and sphery had just made the comment a few weeks ago that they would be useful

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skd5aner:

I never even realized that en_us would be useful

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iamlindoro:

Took < a week for the UK users to provide a full translation when asked ;)

[17:43:48]

skd5aner:

well, apparently they have nothing to do in the UK? (just kidding, obviously)

[17:43:54]

wagnerrp:

why do we need a translation?

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iamlindoro:

to localize plurals for one

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gbee:

yeah, made me feel lazy, I've been gradually adding to the en_gb translation for the best part of 3 years

[17:44:23]

gbee:

and then Nick completes it in under a week

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: but the code is going to be either US english or UK english

[17:45:18]

wagnerrp:

shouldnt only one of those need a translation?

[17:45:25]

iamlindoro:

nope

[17:45:35]

iamlindoro:

because the plurals are done in code that relies on translation

[17:45:47]

skd5aner:

Well, we get an error message stating no "en_us" translation, so we need them to shut that up ;)

[17:46:21]

iamlindoro:

Heck, Nick Morott's translation even corrects grammar and punctuation mistakes, so the en_gb translation is *more* correct than the code

[17:46:31]

skd5aner:

yea, I noticed that

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skd5aner:

question is, who's going to go correct the code? And when they do, won't that break existing translations?

[17:46:58]

iamlindoro:

if by "noticed" you mean "iamlindoro said it in the commit message" ;)

[17:47:18]

iamlindoro:

anyone is welcome to correct the code, and the "breaks translations" thing is a BS cop out

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gbee:

wagnerrp: 1 message, 3 messages – using the neat QT plural translation support we only need a single string in the code, the translators provide the variations

[17:47:23]

skd5aner:

that's exactly what I meant, prior to me then going and looking at the commit itself to see examples :D

[17:47:52]

skd5aner:

I'm not saying "cop out" – just curious if that's a true statement?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it would render the translations of those strings out of date

[17:48:24]

iamlindoro:

it is not, however, a valid excuse for the untranslated strings being wrong :)

[17:48:42]

iamlindoro:

And now is the *perfect* time to fix them, months and months before the next release

[17:48:59]

gbee:

wagnerrp: and since some languages pluralise things differently, e.g. they might need 3 or more different strings, hardcoding exactly two possible strings is a Bad Thing™

[17:49:10]

wagnerrp:

ah, i understand now

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gbee:

this is all explained much better in the QT docs

[17:49:53]

wagnerrp:

you just specify a 'key', and then QT decides whether or not it should be pluralized, and requires the language file to do so

[17:50:24]

gbee:

http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qobject.html#tr

[17:51:00]

gbee:

the bit starting "If n >= 0, all occurrences of %n" through to the end of that section

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iamlindoro:

mysql> select title from videometadata where season = 0 AND episode = 0 and rating = "NR";

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iamlindoro:

Empty set (0.00 sec)

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iamlindoro:

woo hoo, at last

[17:54:43]

iamlindoro:

You are welcome, future (US) users of TMDB

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gbee:

I'm only through to the end of the Ds

[17:55:59]

gbee:

iamlindoro: you have no unrated videos? (yes, I've been reading up on the US rating system)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I think I have two that are honest to goodness "NR," being documentaries-- I set them to "G" locally

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gbee:

ah

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gbee:

I've had a couple of unrated films, apparently those where they didn't want to submit to the rating system and risk NC-17

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toxster:

hi there, sup? i have a issue with "video fram buffering failed too many times" in om .22 and dvb-s2 using vdpau ive read some bugreports but none seem to fix it, is anyone else more updaed on this matter than me?

[18:00:08]

gbee:

in some ways the US system is more lenient than the UK, i.e. many, many films in the UK are rated 18 (must be 18 or older) whereas the MPAA system picks R which allows anyone to watch it (with parent consent) – that genuinely surprised me

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iamlindoro:

gbee, It's the content that gets things rated R here that's a bit unfortunate-- you can get away with a LOT of violence and not get an adult rating-- but absolutely NO nudity of any kind

[18:01:22]

gbee:

but on the other hand, an Attenborough film which features about 10 seconds of nudity is rated 12 in the UK, and between 11/12/13 in every other country except the US where it's R

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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AndyCap:

Heh, they just aired "This film is not yet rated recently" here.

[18:02:16]

AndyCap:

oops. quote misplaced there. recently isn't part of the title

[18:02:33]

TheAsp:

Is there a global prefered card that gets a priority boost? I have a few channels I want to record off of a different source, and the priority is higher for the channel on the other source, but the shows are still being scheduled on the other card

[18:02:39]

gbee:

and the US system is voluntary, which is pretty unique

[18:03:10]

AndyCap:

gbee: paying the mafia is voluntary too. :P

[18:04:39]

gbee:

AndyCap: heh, well the article I was reading suggests that producers would rather opt out than risk an NC-17 rating because that's guaranteed to be a failure (puritans will boycott it), but if it's unrated they are happy to watch it

[18:04:53]

gbee:

the US is a strange nation ;)

[18:05:17]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Make it really inconvenient for us not to have a translation-- we'll get one right quick ;)

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iamlindoro:

ie, replace all characters with some unicode character shifted up a few positions

[18:05:53]

AndyCap:

gbee: that's what you get when all the weirdos flee to another country. :P

[18:06:40]

skd5aner:

NC-17 is like a kiss of death for a theater release... unless they really really want one

[18:06:47]

iamlindoro:

Right, because th UK doesn't have its own cultural shortcomings

[18:07:59]

gbee:

iamlindoro: of course we do, though I don't know whether we're so sensitive about them ;)

[18:08:05]

skd5aner:

The South Park movie originally came back with an NC-17 rating a the time, and they knew they had to get that down to a R...

[18:08:27]

skd5aner:

however, they didn't change much, as I recall, and that's why they titled it "South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut"

[18:08:44]

skd5aner:

yet they still changed just barely enough in the MPAA's eyes to go from NC-17 to R

[18:08:53]

AndyCap:

Hairy Arm

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gbee:

skd5aner: and bizarrely, the film was tame compared to many of the TV episodes, as least as far as I remember it

[18:10:19]

skd5aner:

yea, well... things that were rated R 15 years ago, would get a PG-13 at best today...

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xris:

skd5aner: and things that were R in the 70s would get NC17 now

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iamlindoro:

gbee, well, understand that history, as taught in the US, is very heavily biases towards our involvement in war-- and that a lot of our patriotic nature is founded in a "heroic" self-image... there are times that that's a good thing, and times that it's a bad thing-- I do think that Americans are on the whole undereducated, underexposed to world cultures, and generally ignorant to others' views... but I also think that there are few c

[18:11:36]

iamlindoro:

ountries more willing to spill blood (their own and others) to try to do what they think is right

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iamlindoro:

gbee, disregarding whether they might be wrong or right about what is right :)

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skd5aner:

that scale is starting to tilt, lots of stuff even in G movies today, that ~20 years ago would have been PG-PG13... you can go a lot farther today, TV is even a better example

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xris:

skd5aner: check out a documentary called This Film Not Yet Rated (or something like that)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, The US may be a mutt to the rest of the world's purebred-- but I'll take the mutt for character and faithfulness most days :)

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xris:

tries to expose how messed up the MPAA rating system really is.

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skd5aner:

There was so much controversy over random things in the 90's that they do on a nightly basis today on TV. Like when Roseanne kissed a woman, or murphy brown talking about smoking a joint

[18:13:24]

skd5aner:

Yea, you'd have to go a long way, in today's world to get an NC-17, you'd almost have to try to do it

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gbee:

iamlindoro: in that respect you could describe the US as an eager Boy Scout helping every old lady to cross the street (even if they never wanted to go there or asked for assistance)

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xris:

skd5aner: you'd be surprised....

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I'll completely concede that

[18:14:14]

skd5aner:

xris: that doucmentary pretty good?

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xris:

and there's no scale

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xris:

skd5aner: surprisingly enlightening

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skd5aner:

hmmm, I'll put it in the queue and maybe it'll raise to the top in a year ;)

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xris:

it's on netflix streaming now. which is how I watched it.. started it thinking I'd watch 5 minutes and find it boring.. and then couldn't turn it off.

[18:15:43]

xris:

there is no "scale" or set of rules or anything for ratings. and no movie can ever be compared to another (e.g. why'd you give me an R for this when that other movie had the same and got pg13)

[18:15:49]

toxster:

so nooone uses dvb-s2 here?

[18:16:10]

xris:

toxster: might try back when it's daytime in parts of the world that use it?

[18:16:16]

toxster:

hehe

[18:16:26]

toxster:

its only past 12 am

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gbee:

toxster: not yet, no-one has made the transition from DVB-S here yet

[18:16:44]

toxster:

lesbo porn is on in eu so ppl should be up here :D

[18:17:10]

gbee:

broadcasters I mean, I'm sure a few people are using DVB-S2 cards, but the FTA satellite is all DVB-S

[18:17:11]

xris:

could check #mythtv-de, too... might be some english speakers in there. :)

[18:17:11]

toxster:

still, no issued with dvb amnd vdpau in the us ?

[18:17:13]

AndyCap:

toxster: the eu has the internet now

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skd5aner:

xris: btw, ticket #8416, probably the wrong place to put it, but it's a fix for the website...

[18:17:24]

toxster:

andy; finally! :D

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gbee:

toxster: I've not heard of any issues, but I'm in the UK

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And4713:

what

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toxster:

xris: will try it in the morning, thanks for the hint

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And4713:

oh

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** iamlindoro just passed thor for # of commits **

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iamlindoro:

go me

[18:18:07]

skd5aner:

too bad thor isn't around to defend his title

[18:18:13]

skd5aner:

but congrats!

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iamlindoro:

#9 of all time

[18:18:27]

skd5aner:

no stopping you now

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iamlindoro:

It's a long way to the next target

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toxster:

i suppose dvb-s2 is only used for hd right=

[18:18:52]

skd5aner:

yea, but you're most active for 2009 and current if I recall

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toxster:

then my issue is with svb-s

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toxster:

dvb-s

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iamlindoro:

dvb-s2 is a transmission method, it's resolution agnostic

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sid3windr:

are there svn committer awards? ;)

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xris:

skd5aner: why are you using IE?!

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iamlindoro:

has nothing to do with SD versus HD

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skd5aner:

here we go again... <eyeroll>

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gbee:

toxster: no and yes, you can have HD without DVB-S2, DVB-S2 just provides greater bandwidth

[18:20:42]

skd5aner:

xris: heh, because I can and it works? ;) But beyond that, a large percentage of the world still does, and it's one of 2 that I primarily use

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gbee:

so some broadcasters might choose DVB-S2 to increase the number of HD channels they can cram into a frequency, but DVB-S2 does not mean HD

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xris:

skd5aner: better question: why are you using Windows?! ;)

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skd5aner:

xris: beyond that, I thought it would be good if mythtv.org didn't looking muffed up in *any* browser, especially a popular one ;)

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toxster:

well my channels are most non hd

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toxster:

and i get the problem

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gbee:

Freesat in the UK carries HD (H.264) using DVB-S

[18:22:26]

toxster:

perhaps i should redirect the matters to my manufacturer (tevii s660)

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gbee:

skd5aner: broken in Opera unfortunately, best I can tell it's an Opera bug :/

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skd5aner:

xris: to complete the collection. 4 Linux boxes, 1 FreeBSD box, 1 OS X, 3 Windows ;)

[18:23:28]

xris:

too many windows. those can all live on the OSX box. ;)

[18:23:37]

xris:

anyway, it's fixed

[18:23:47]

xris:

I don't have any IE to test things with....

[18:24:02]

skd5aner:

Well, the OS X is an older Powerbook G4, it's struggling to make it in a non-PPC based world today :(

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xris:

though that'll change soon (just have to wait for a MS friend to get me a copy of windows 7 to put into vmware)

[18:24:30]

xris:

ah, yeah, lame.

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skd5aner:

xris: as far as I can tell, that's the only obvious issue I could find, but it's been there for about a year

[18:24:45]

xris:

I finally broke down and bought a quad core imac for my primary machine.

[18:25:03]

skd5aner:

highest I can go is 10.5, no flash, lots of google-based stuff is intel only on Mac, etc

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xris:

I think it has some ie7 issues. but at least ie7 seems to be dying much faster than 6

[18:25:27]

gbee:

hey, if anyone is using the latest Opera on Windows, I'd love to know if they've fixed the bug which messed up mythtv.org (have to wait a while for them to release the linux version)

[18:25:28]

skd5aner:

not "no" flash, but there isn't a flash release that is optimized for ppc, so it performs even worse than normal

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xris:

I need to update the site to use sprites, too... and probably some form of caching

[18:25:48]

xris:

sort of like flash under linux. :)

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skd5aner:

xris: I have IE7 on the work machine, so I can always take that

[18:25:59]

skd5aner:

xris: EXACTLY like that

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skd5aner:

s/take/test

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gbee:

xris: funny, I was reading the opposite just yesterday, IE8 uptake is slower than IE7 was

[18:26:54]

skd5aner:

once again, this graphic may come in handy for this discussion: http://www.axiis.org/examples/BrowserMarketShare.html

[18:27:02]

skd5aner:

of course, it's only up to Aug 2009

[18:27:25]

skd5aner:

I'd really be curious what's happened since then

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toxster:

and about that video frame buffering error.. :D noone using dvb-s is seeing it?

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** iamlindoro commits a trac-grenade **

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gbee:

skd5aner: surely no coincidence that it looks like the Firefox logo?

[18:28:25]

skd5aner:

fire in the hole!

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skd5aner:

gbee: wagnerrp said the same thing, and I thought so too... just squint you can't tell a difference

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iamlindoro:

It's worth doing all this work just to come up with pithy commit remarks

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gbee:

http://www.mozilla.com/img/tignish/about/logo . . . ogo-only.png

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, for reference, gbee has me beat by 200 commits last year :)

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skd5aner:

all hail gbee!

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** iamlindoro is out ahead for 2010 so far though ;) **

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gbee:

just 200?

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** gbee must try harder **

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iamlindoro:

I was 414 last year, you were 623

[18:32:14]

iamlindoro:

This year I'm at 290 so far, with Mark at 189

[18:32:29]

iamlindoro:

In fairness, lots and lots of my commits have been trivial stuff-- translations, theme fixes, etc.

[18:32:40]

iamlindoro:

lots of other people doing the real work

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skd5aner:

Mark is kicking ___, can't wait to see the fruit of his work eventually

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toxster:

its not the quntity that counts, but the QUALITY ;)

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iamlindoro:

Yes, if only I could make some quality commits one of these days. And you are?

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toxster:

not in any way saying that your not http://www.mozilla.com/img/tignish/about/logo . . . only.pndoing a great work guys

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skd5aner:

btw, where did he come from, I know he's relatively "new", but man he can dive into some of that stuff as if he has been around for years

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toxster:

damn paste

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toxster:

great work

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, He had been submitting patches for OpenGL video out for a long time that were always at a very high level

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skd5aner:

I'm just glad to see him chomping at the bit on the OSD branch

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i want to say that seems like an awful lot.... but i cant because i have at least that many

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skd5aner:

love to see when folks like Janne, Daniel, Mark, etc (not leaving anyone out intentionally) dive in like that at the core

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toxster:

as a c# coder im failty interested in paying my tribute, too bad there not enought time :/

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: sorry, what are you referring to?

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wagnerrp:

(assorted list of computers)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: oh, I know it's not a lot... definitely

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wagnerrp:

6 windows, 3 linux, 2 bsd, plus another 4 spares ready for whatever

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skd5aner:

Those are the ones I have on... not counting the ones just sitting there

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skd5aner:

or the Tandy 128k computer I just got at an auction for nostalgia

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wagnerrp:

and people think its ridiculous when you have more than one computer in a home

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gbee:

I'd say that as with anything, you need people who are genuinely interested in those areas, personally the minutae of mheg parsing or xvideo rendering methods bores me to death, which is why I'm glad we've guys like janneg, markk_ etc who like that stuff

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skd5aner:

$5, heh :D

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dmfrey:

Hey everyone, got a storage group question

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: You should see my "wiring closet" ;)

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wagnerrp:

dmfrey: yes, the squirrel did eat the walnut

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dmfrey:

wagnerrp: :)

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skd5aner:

We built our house last year – spent 2–3 weeks wiring for EVERYTHING

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skd5aner:

ourselves

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wagnerrp:

that was a subtle hint... we cant answer your actual question unless you give it

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dmfrey:

i want to setup a storage group on a secondary backend over nfs to my server

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wagnerrp:

is there a backend running on this nfs server?

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dmfrey:

yes

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wagnerrp:

then just set up the storage group locally on the nfs server

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dmfrey:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the remote backend will use it if its available

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dmfrey:

i got that part

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skd5aner:

alright, time to start cooking, later

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dmfrey:

can i add the same directory on the server to the storage group running on locally on the server?

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dmfrey:

would i be degrading anything by doing that?

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt have duplicate paths on multiple backends

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wagnerrp:

even if you have them mounted over nfs

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dmfrey:

really? I have been setting up the same local path on each machine

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dmfrey:

is that gonna cause me some issues?

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dmfrey:

i haven't noticed any running in that config for quite some time

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PeaceKeeper:

Anyone know if there are any deals on hd-pvr right now?

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iamlindoro:

Yay, I finally have a commit tree free of patches. I feel so liberated!

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Greek-Boy:

lol @ "iamlindoro will miss you all when the Blu-ray disc alliance comes for him."

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Greek-Boy:

so we're going to see some new features and existing features that are much more stable?

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Greek-Boy:

yippppeeeeeeee

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Greek-Boy:

:P

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jst:

My god, Myth takes forever to compile. :)

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jst:

If I can't get MythTV for Windows to compile (I can't), how do I know which patches to use? It seems like many of these were written for previous versions: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8121

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cryptide:

could someone recommend a linux compatible usb tuner--i want to record regular us cable

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squish102:

when i ran out of pci slots, i went with hdhomerun. Although a little pricy, it has worked flawlessly

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jst:

How can I tell if these patches need to be applied to the latest SVN or not?

[22:22:06]

danlech:

good day all, i realise that there is some fotoshopping done on the image but, does anyone know who the maker of the remote is that is pictured on the "watch tv" menu of the mythbuntu theme in of course mythbuntu? thanks

[22:23:16]

jst:

This is crap, somebody needs to support the Windows stuff better.

[22:23:25]

jst:

I hvae no idea which patches need to be applied.

[22:23:25]

wagnerrp:

why?

[22:23:48]

jst:

Because not everyone has the luxury of running *nix on every machine in their house.

[22:24:04]

jst:

I'd like to get the Windows frontend working, but the documentation for it is horrible.

[22:24:30]

jst:

I'd write it if I could figure out how to compile it, or even which patches have been included or which need to be installed still.

[22:24:49]

danlech:

isn't "windows" the luxury/premium option?

[22:24:56]

wagnerrp:

the point is that mythtv has always been written for the developers, to do what the developers need it to do

[22:25:24]

wagnerrp:

since very few of us run windows, theres no real motivation (or even the environment) to get it to run properly

[22:25:48]

danlech:

it's too unstable anyway ;)

[22:26:33]

jst:

danlech, it worked great here for months.

[22:26:35]

danlech:

how about running a virtual machine with nix

[22:26:36]

jst:

Until 0.23. :(

[22:26:44]

jst:

For HD content? Meh.

[22:27:06]

danlech:

windows what? xp v 7

[22:27:13]

iamlindoro:

also, hearing about how it's "crap" when you've done exactly squat to help us gives me 0 motivation to solve any issues on windows

[22:27:16]

jst:

For example, which of these patches need to be applied: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8121 ?

[22:27:33]

jst:

iamlindoro, nice.

[22:27:39]

iamlindoro:

my sentiments exactly

[22:27:39]

jst:

Why don't you scroll up, buddy?

[22:27:44]

jst:

I've been in here for days asking.

[22:27:46]

jst:

Posting my errors.

[22:27:47]

iamlindoro:

what should I scroll up to?

[22:27:53]

jst:

Writing on the mailing lists.

[22:27:54]

iamlindoro:

posting your errors isn't help

[22:28:02]

jst:

Then what would you have me do?

[22:28:03]

jst:

STUF?

[22:28:04]

iamlindoro:

it's *asking* for help

[22:28:05]

jst:

STFU?

[22:28:10]

iamlindoro:

oh, okay!

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jst:

Oh, come on.

[22:28:26]

iamlindoro:

Next time, reac the chanenl rules

[22:28:27]

iamlindoro:

bye!

[22:28:28]

jst:

Why are you so sensitive?

[22:28:28]

danlech:

i just joined, don;t know what version your running

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iamlindoro:

oh, hello, would you like to try again?

[22:28:52]

iamlindoro:

Perhaps having read the channel rules this time?

[22:28:58]

jst:

Are you still in rage mode?

[22:29:01]

iamlindoro:

maybe with a modicum of courtesy?

[22:29:55]

jst:

Anyways, I'm trying to compile with the latest SVN version... How would I know which patches to apply from here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8121 ?

[22:30:05]

iamlindoro:

jst, the point is that you are a user asking for help, which while I empathize, means you have done nothing to endear yourself to us-- complaining that "this is crap" or that someone somehow owes you *anything* when we all do this in our spare time only reduces the chances one of us will go out of our way/care

[22:30:36]

jst:

Yeah, yeah.

[22:30:38]

jst:

I care.

[22:30:45]

jst:

I love Myth.

[22:30:51]

jst:

I've helped out multiple times.

[22:30:53]

iamlindoro:

Further, we do have courtesy rules, and you are expected to abide by them. If you cannot, then you are not welcome here, or in any of our other channels

[22:31:25]

jst:

Anyways, back to my question... anyone? How can I tell?

[22:31:29]

jst:

Am I just SOL?

[22:31:55]

iamlindoro:

sounds like your are out of luck until a dev who cares about myth running on windows takes the time to get .23 running there

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wagnerrp:

mythtv on windows is basically unsupported

[22:32:09]

wagnerrp:

if you can get it to work without effort, great

[22:32:17]

iamlindoro:

^^ precisely

[22:32:25]

wagnerrp:

but other than that, there are only a few people who actually use it, and less that know how to debug compiling for it

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danlech:

win 7 was an ok media deal

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danlech:

win 7 has an ok media setup

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jst:

danlech, what do you mean?

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jst:

W7MC?

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danlech:

oem 7 for about $130

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danlech:

it's built in

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wagnerrp:

i think i paid $7 for mine

[22:33:41]

danlech:

you paid for yours LOL ;)

[22:34:06]

wagnerrp:

huh?

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danlech:

jk

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wagnerrp:

the only way to get it for free is with an MSDN subscription

[22:34:45]

wagnerrp:

at which point youre paying a /lot/ to get it for free

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danlech:

and thats what 2500/yr

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danlech:

wagnerrp thanks again for the help in the past, myth is running great, i just migrated to a new machine with 10.04 and .23 and i love it!!! much improvement on everything

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** wagnerrp just does the background stuff **

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mag0o:

big, blocky background? oh wait, that's someone else :)

[22:38:28]

danlech:

does anyone know who the maker of the remote is that is pictured on the "watch tv" menu of the mythbuntu theme in of course mythbuntu? thanks

[22:39:01]

wagnerrp:

watch tv icon? there is no menu

[22:39:20]

danlech:

it's in the background

[22:39:32]

wagnerrp:

ah, the whole background changes with the selection

[22:39:54]

danlech:

when you focus the watch tv icon in the mythbuntu theme

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danlech:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/4aed8779068787

[22:42:16]

danlech:

like i said, i know its fotoshop

[22:42:36]

danlech:

but probably just the ok button

[22:42:49]

wagnerrp:

looks kinda like the tivo logo

[22:44:32]

danlech:

just not as high!! lol

[22:44:46]

wagnerrp:

ill go with that, sure

[22:45:31]

Wicked:

hmm. anyone try to use mythnetvision with any revision3 shows? i setup one to test with hak5....but when i goto open it....it launches inside mythbrowser....but the feeds have access to the actual video file..which i would prefer to use in the internal player.

[22:45:45]

danlech:

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/05/tivo3dream.jpg

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wagnerrp:

wonder if the feds took that in the raid too

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danlech:

:)

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danlech:

well if i find out, ill post the maker

[22:49:01]

danlech:

have fun and watch out for the nix haters

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wagnerrp:

you can always ask the ubuntu guys, they got it from somewhere

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Wicked:

hmm. i dont think mythnetvision can. i think it will always open the browser to watch the flash version.

[22:56:07]

Wicked:

would be awesome if it could stream the actual full avi file

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Jester05:

guys, I have to admit... I love 0.23!!! too bad my OS is mythbuntu 10.04 ;)

[23:05:17]

Jester05:

should have stuck with 9.10 and just upgraded mythtv lol

[23:07:16]

jst_:

Jester05, just curious here... what don't you like about 10.04?

[23:07:38]

Jester05:

I don't like the purple splash screen for 1

[23:08:10]

Jester05:

the second issue i've noticed so far ... I have transmission run minimized at log in and every time it starts it pops up a conformation thing

[23:08:23]

jst_:

Did you try Xubuntu?

[23:08:28]

jst_:

I prefer it to Ubuntu.

[23:08:34]

Jester05:

i mean i JUST fired it up so I can't say much yet

[23:08:37]

jst_:

As do the Mythbuntu guys. ;)

[23:08:58]

Jester05:

I'm using whatever mythbuntu comes stalk with

[23:09:03]

dfletcher:

hmm so I want to light an LED when myth is recording. is periodically pinging and parsing http://[primary back end host]:6544/ the best way to find out if anything's recording? easier way?

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: no, use the event system

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jst_:

Jester05, Mythbuntu comes with XFCE by default, unless they changed things for 10.04.

[23:09:55]

jst_:

You shouldn't be seeing purple screens or anything AFAIK.

[23:09:58]

wagnerrp:

trigger a command to turn on the light when recording starts, another command to turn off the light at the end of recording

[23:09:59]

Jester05:

its till the same as 9.10 so its XFCE

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dfletcher:

oooh a good excuse to get my hands dirty! cool wagnerrp I'll look into it

[23:10:16]

wagnerrp:

you may want some sort of internal counter so it only turns off after all recordings are finished

[23:10:22]

dfletcher:

right

[23:10:29]

Jester05:

I like it quite a bit thus far, ultimately I just dont like anything ubuntu related.. still a Arch/Slackware guy ;)

[23:10:51]

Jester05:

even mythbuntu seems to be having memory related issues

[23:11:09]

Jester05:

seems like it just doesn't do as well with Arch with memory management

[23:11:10]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oooh, counting sempahore!

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jst_:

wagnerrp/dfletcher, that'd be awesome. Maybe turn the power LED on/off while recording.

[23:11:15]

dfletcher:

ubuntu 10.04 + the

[23:11:26]

dfletcher:

mythbuntu auto updates is nifty

[23:12:03]

dfletcher:

jst_, heh well I have this gadget already – USB and all http://fletchtronics.net/usb-keyboard-remote

[23:12:10]

Jester05:

dfletcher, u mean from 9.10 to 10.04?

[23:12:20]

dfletcher:

no Jester05 the automatic myth updates

[23:12:33]

Jester05:

distro update?

[23:12:36]

dfletcher:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[23:12:38]

Jester05:

I just did a distro update lol

[23:13:10]

Jester05:

I kind of wish I had done that last night rather than pushing the distro upgrade :-\

[23:13:33]

dfletcher:

jst_ hmm though that's pretty cool, power LED. maybe I can mount the IR receiver and use that, keep it all inside the case :P

[23:14:07]

dfletcher:

heh or there's an HDD led too that's not doing anything ;)

[23:14:19]

** dfletcher wishes it were blue **

[23:14:36]

Jester05:

I saw a box that had a LED for network activity.. that'd be great to use for recording.

[23:14:58]

wagnerrp:

you should add a num/caps/scroll cluster, and use the three for currently active recorder count

[23:14:59]

Jester05:

esp since most mobo's dont support net activity indication anyway lol

[23:15:24]

Jester05:

wagnerrp, who keeps a keyboard on their server ;)

[23:15:49]

wagnerrp:

Jester05: no no no... grab an old crappy PS2, and cut it up for the light cluster

[23:15:50]

Jester05:

none of my mythboxes have keyboards/mice.. its all done via ssh ;)

[23:15:59]

Jester05:

ohhh I got what you're saying

[23:16:07]

Jester05:

that would be a good idea man.. easy way

[23:16:16]

dfletcher:

yeah just recycle the lovely LED panel :P

[23:16:20]

dfletcher:

that is a good idea!

[23:16:27]

Jester05:

I'd considered making a full on control panel for my server and using serial lol

[23:16:34]

clever:

Jester05: you can disconnect the keyboard matrix from the tiny board in the keyboard

[23:16:42]

Jester05:

yeah I know

[23:16:45]

clever:

Jester05: then youll basicaly have a 3 led cluster on a usb or ps2 cable

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dfletcher:

clever, yes but then you have to send hackish USB HID reports :P

[23:17:15]

Jester05:

yeah, idk.. I'm just happy I didn't brick my MBE/FE while upgrading that thing lol

[23:17:30]

Jester05:

I felt a little :-\ about upgrading an ubuntu distro lol

[23:17:32]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: no, you just hook into X to set the lock values

[23:17:32]

clever:

dfletcher: just use the standard x11 calls to control it

[23:17:40]

dfletcher:

yes

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dfletcher:

and that's a hack :P

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clever:

let linux figure out if its ps2 or usb

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dfletcher:

you can actually specify custom values over HID

[23:18:30]

Jester05:

god I love this channel, such a good place to get ideas.. lol

[23:18:30]

dfletcher:

anyway, your way, you'll actually be toggling caps :P

[23:18:32]

clever:

if your limited to 3 led's, custom commands wont give you that much more control

[23:18:53]

dfletcher:

your way ACTUALLY TOGGLES NUM/CAPS/SCROLL lock

[23:18:58]

dfletcher:

thus, it's a hack

[23:19:01]

Jester05:

have it toggle the lights on and off in a wave left to right as it records lol

[23:19:02]

jst_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_System_LEDs_ . . . rding_Status

[23:19:10]

jst_:

^ That might be of some use.

[23:19:10]

Jester05:

during comm flaggin have it run right to left

[23:19:20]

clever:

ive seen an app before to blink the leds to indicate the number of mails in your box

[23:19:20]

clever:

and it doesnt actualy toggle the caplock status, just the light

[23:19:52]

clever:

jst_: thats more proper way to do it

[23:19:59]

clever:

more led's and less side-effects from toggling them

[23:20:17]

clever:

ive done the same thing with lpt and 8 led's

[23:20:42]

dfletcher:

clever, wrong. sending the trigger for that light *is* the caps lock signal

[23:20:48]

dfletcher:

connect two keyboards

[23:20:51]

dfletcher:

toggle caps

[23:20:53]

dfletcher:

they *both* go

[23:21:04]

clever:

dfletcher: id have to find the app to see what it actualy did

[23:21:22]

clever:

but if its a headless system or lirc based system, you have no real keyboard input

[23:21:31]

dfletcher:

btw I sell a USB development gadget :P

[23:21:40]

dfletcher:

so I'm not just talking out my *ahem*

[23:21:44]

clever:

so a keyboard with 90% hacked off would be simpler for the guys who dont know usb in and out

[23:21:55]

Jester05:

anyone use the version of Arch linux geared for myth?

[23:22:03]

clever:

dfletcher: yeah, ive looked at stuff using AVR to emulate a usb slave before too

[23:22:08]

jst_:

Heh, yeah. I like that guy's way of doing things. Not sure if I have a serial connector laying around though. Probably in storage clear across the state.

[23:22:14]

clever:

but its not the kind of thing the every day user can do

[23:22:17]

Jester05:

think I may go ahead and put that on my box in my bedroom

[23:22:24]

Jester05:

or mythdora

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clever:

dfletcher: hacking the matrix off a keyboard can be done by almost anybody for practicaly no cost, while buying a proper gadget could be expensive

[23:23:53]

clever:

could do it with a keyboard you spilled pop on and already ruined the matrix

[23:24:17]

wagnerrp:

for people who have tons of spare keyboards lying about

[23:24:38]

clever:

or half broken ones they didnt bother to throw out

[23:25:19]

dfletcher:

heh

[23:25:23]

wagnerrp:

now that you mention it, i have an absolutely awful keyboard i picked up ~9yrs ago just to have a spare keyboard

[23:25:30]

dfletcher:

my gadget costs $14.95 and you don't even need a programmer!

[23:25:46]

dfletcher:

and it's being a remote receiver and status LED for myth. that's not bad :P

[23:25:56]

dfletcher:

* will be status LED

[23:26:02]

clever:

dfletcher: my idea would basicaly be turning garbage into usefull goods and is already programed to blink the led's

[23:26:13]

clever:

ah

[23:26:18]

clever:

lirc receiver in it would be nice

[23:26:29]

dfletcher:

heh I skipped lirc

[23:26:40]

dfletcher:

it's turns my remote into a proper kbd

[23:26:51]

dfletcher:

so arrows == arrows, numbers == numbers, etc

[23:26:52]

clever:

lol, nice

[23:27:10]

clever:

once you start doing that, the state of capslock does start to matter more

[23:27:14]

Jester05:

how many years away do you guys see mythtv MBE/FE combos being able to make having a quad core cpu worth while?

[23:27:23]

clever:

so you would have to fake the msgs and not actualy toggle it in kernel

[23:27:34]

dfletcher:

yeah I wonder if that's even possible

[23:27:38]

dfletcher:

far as I know you have to call ioctl

[23:27:44]

clever:

i beleive the console app was doing that

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Jester05:

I'm looking at building a new server... trying to decide between a c2d, qc, or dual qc lol

[23:28:09]

dfletcher:

hmm maybe there's special USB codes for just lighting the lights

[23:28:09]

** jst_ has his fingers crossed... looks like MythTV for Windows may compile. **

[23:28:23]

clever:

dfletcher: have a look at the debian/ubuntu package blinkd

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clever:

and ledcontrol

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wagnerrp:

heh, now thats amusing

[23:29:33]

wagnerrp:

this /horrible/ keyboard really is nothing more that the light cluster

[23:29:53]

dfletcher:

blinkd seems gone/dead

[23:29:56]

wagnerrp:

a little 1"x2" circuit board in the corner of the keyboard

[23:30:01]

clever:

wagnerrp: yep, 98% of the keyboard is just 2 thin sheets of plastic with traces on them

[23:30:09]

wagnerrp:

that connects to a thin sheet with traces

[23:30:10]

clever:

nearly every keyboard is like that

[23:30:27]

clever:

rip the matrix off and stick the board in a tidy box and your done

[23:30:27]

dfletcher:

yep, it's a matrix

[23:30:52]

clever:

install ledcontrol/blinkd and write up a small python script

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dfletcher:

where are you finding blinkd? not in stable, testing or unstable :P

[23:31:26]

clever:

8.04 here

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clever:

they probly just didnt remove it because they never change the package set/versions once they release

[23:31:49]

jst_:

Sure you guys wouldn't want to do something like this instead: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlcdserver ?

[23:32:05]

dfletcher:

heh yeah I could build that probably :P

[23:32:11]

dfletcher:

but simple is good

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dfletcher:

KISS ;)

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clever:

jst_: that would be a great deal better, but more expensive then reusing a garbage keyboard

[23:32:22]

dfletcher:

nah

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dfletcher:

well $20 for one of those

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dfletcher:

from sparkfun

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

vs 0$ for a keyboard you can probly find in a garbage pile at the end of a driveway

[23:33:04]

clever:

depends on how much you want text

[23:33:10]

dfletcher:

but really I started this because the TiVo used to do it and Laura liked it – she would notice that it's not busy and give it things to do :P

[23:33:25]

dfletcher:

so just an indicator is all that's needed

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Jester05:

whats the version of arch linux used for PVR?

[23:33:47]

jst_:

What I'd really like to see--and I know wagnerrp told me this isn't possible--is for MythMusic to be able to browse directory structures. :)

[23:34:04]

jst_:

That's how I organize my music... to hell with ID3 tags.

[23:34:09]

dfletcher:

hmm though you know what? my remote control needs an LCD. like the one in the PSP :P

[23:34:13]

clever:

DjMadness: the cheapest i can find on SFE is the nokia lcd, but its out of stock

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clever:

4.95

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clever:

dfletcher: oops

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dfletcher:

oh heh yeah that nokia

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wagnerrp:

no, no browse mode in mythmusic

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** dfletcher killed his nokia :/ **

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dfletcher:

that breakout is so flimsy

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clever:

dfletcher: yeah ive had to replace the lcd in that once before also

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jst_:

wagnerrp, would it be that hard to implement? Maybe something I could tackle on my own?

[23:34:59]

clever:

in the actual phone

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dfletcher:

heh

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dfletcher:

no wonder it's so cheap :P

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jst_:

MythVideo works perfectly, IMO.

[23:36:21]

clever:

dfletcher: could probly get one without the SF shipping if i just went to aliant and got a replacement :P

[23:36:27]

dfletcher:

it does? so why can't I stream an iso? fix that and you'll be my BFFF :P

[23:36:44]

dfletcher:

hah yeah

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wagnerrp:

jst_: i dont see why you couldnt add an automated background scanner

[23:36:55]

dfletcher:

I need to get some friends together and group order from SFE

[23:36:56]

wagnerrp:

but it doesnt make any sense to have a 'browse mode'

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jst_:

Why not?

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jst_:

That's how all my music is sorted.

[23:37:27]

clever:

dfletcher: ive been eyeing the 9$ camera on SFE but the contact pads are so scrambled up

[23:37:29]

wagnerrp:

in order to set up any form of filtering or playlists, youre going to have to read in all the ID3 and similar tags

[23:37:41]

clever:

dfletcher: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info . . . ucts_id=8667

[23:37:52]

jst_:

Yeah, and my ID3 tags are not up to snuff.

[23:37:57]

dfletcher:

yeah and it's smaller than it looks clever ;)

[23:38:05]

Jester05:

anyone know if LinHES is still supported?

[23:38:10]

wagnerrp:

jst_: and in order to do that, its going to take a long time to scan

[23:38:18]

dfletcher:

so hard to solder that without a board and solder paste and stencil etc

[23:38:19]

clever:

dfletcher: look at the last image, the pads arent even in a standard patern

[23:38:34]

dfletcher:

yep I bought a similar one

[23:38:46]

dfletcher:

I thought I'd be able to wire it up – HAH!

[23:39:20]

dfletcher:

needs a printed circuit board with a nice solder mask. then I could do that :P

[23:39:21]

wagnerrp:

jst_: IMHO, file structure on mp3s shouldnt even matter to mythmusic

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clever:

dfletcher: PM

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wagnerrp:

it should do its own layout based solely on the data tags

[23:41:18]

jst_:

I guess I'm more old school. :(

[23:41:46]

wagnerrp:

jst_: to be perfectly honest, i think the very first thing that should be done with mythmusic is migrating it to storage groups

[23:42:19]

wagnerrp:

that would get it prepped for the upcoming MFSW, which would take the place of any form of 'browse mode'

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iamlindoro:

paul is in the middle of a rewrite that is supposed to include a storage group transition, I believe

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i knew someone was working on it, couldnt remember who

[23:43:38]

jpabq:

jya, any tips for getting xrandr working? Turning off DynamicTwinView made it so "xrandr --rate 24" does not complain, but the TV still reports 60Hz.

[23:43:45]

wagnerrp:

jst_: if you check the mailing list archives, there was a thread several months back about suggestions for a rewrite

[23:43:47]

iamlindoro:

Think it's a question mark for .24, but know he was hopefuly

[23:43:50]

iamlindoro:

er hopeful

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jya:

jpabq

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jst_:

Ahh.

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jya:

this is a none issue with nvidia drivers

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jpabq:

s/none/known/ ?

[23:44:36]

jya:

jpabq: you need a magic line in xorg.conf

[23:44:41]

jya:

known yes :)

[23:44:51]

jya:

or check a settings in nvidia-settings

[23:44:57]

jya:

let me check, can't remember right now

[23:45:17]

jya:

Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = Native"

[23:45:31]

jst_:

Quick question... should I place this file in c:\mythtv\mythtv and then run patch -p0 < patchfile? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . _win.2.patch

[23:45:32]

jpabq:

In the driver section?

[23:45:39]

jya:

in the screen section

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jpabq:

Okay. I will try that. Thanks.

[23:45:51]

jya:

or start nviidia-settings

[23:45:59]

jya:

and check the scaling native checkbox

[23:46:09]

jya:

achieve the same result

[23:46:20]

mag0o:

is there

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mag0o:

oops, is there a compile time option for the hdpvr?

[23:46:56]

jpabq:

mag0o, yup. it needs to be enabled.

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iamlindoro:

--enable-hdpvr

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mag0o:

thanks

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jya:

jpabq: let me know if it works for you ...

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jpabq:

jya, It worked! Thanks. Now I just have to figure out how to get rid of the mouse cursor.

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jya:

disable compiz :)

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mag0o:

wash its mouth out

[23:48:55]

jya:

and move the mouse like I do

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Beirdo:

or just move it to the bottom corner, and have a beer

[23:49:21]

jya:

jpabq: /usr/bin/xwit -root -warp 1920 1080

[23:49:44]

jya:

if your screen is 1920x1080, this moves the mouse cursor in the bottom right corner

[23:49:45]

jpabq:

jya, is compiz different than composite? I have Option "Composite" "Disable"

[23:49:50]

jya:

you only get to see one pixel of the mouse

[23:50:07]

jpabq:

I wonder why using xrander make the mouse visible?

[23:50:10]

jya:

compiz is the hardware accelerated bit in the window manager

[23:50:19]

jpabq:

I am using ratpoison

[23:50:27]

jya:

I don't know either... I think markk fixed that one by forcing a refresh

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jya:

I think I remember reading a commit log on the matter in his mythui branch

[23:51:08]

jya:

personally, I run xwit when I start mythfrontend

[23:51:12]

jya:

and I forget about it..

[23:51:13]

Jester05:

is there no one else

[23:51:21]

jya:

this issue started after I upgraded to ubuntu 8.10

[23:51:25]

jya:

wasn't there before

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jpabq:

jya, the xwit should be fine for me — I have a little bit of over scan anyway.

[23:51:54]

jpabq:

jya, Very helpful. Thanks a bunch.

[23:53:10]

jya:

the native scaling bit got me a few years ago

[23:53:22]

jya:

took me days to understand why xrandr wouldn't work

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jpabq:

I did quite a bit of googling but did not come across that option.

[23:54:04]

jpabq:

Do you happen to know what package xwit is in? Fedora does not seem to have it.

[23:54:06]

jya:

a nvidia guy posted something about the scaling on a non-related matter, and I thought this could be the same issue

[23:54:08]

jya:

and it was...

[23:55:17]

jya:

you can get the source code there

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jya:

ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/utilities/

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jya:

that's what I did the first time

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jya:

until I saw the light and moved to ubuntu :)

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jst_:

Brb.

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