Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 4th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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jpabq:

Imake, ick!

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jya:

it's a X utility :)

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jya:

if the only thing you care about is moving the mouse cursor

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jya:

I have the source code of a little tool I wrote before I discovered it was all available in xwit

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Jester05:

so guys, what FSs would you advise for the following: videos (some are several gigs), recordings (some are a few gigs), and the operating system (currently mythbuntu)

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jpabq:

jya, if it is easy for you, that would be great

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jpabq:

Jester05, xfs, jfs or ext4

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jya:

I use ext3 for the main OS, jfs for the recordings... it's a bit of a religious debate

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Jester05:

jpabq, for which?

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Jester05:

currenlty I have my videos on ntfs :-x lol

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jya:

jpabq: will look for it, was a while ago ... see if you can compile xwit in the mean time.. not that hard

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jpabq:

xfs or jfs for recordings. ext3 or ext4 for OS. XFS is more widely used than JFS. ext4 is very new, so there may still be bugs, but is MUCH higher performance than ext3

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jpabq:

jya, cool. Will do. Thanks.

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Jester05:

why do you say xfs, jfs for recordings.. don't they typically error under sudden power loss?

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clever:

i had a power outage yesterday

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clever:

the UPS let me do a proper shutdown

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clever:

but the bios battery seems to be toast, it reset to dec 2000

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jpabq:

Jester05, I have a UPS :-)

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Jester05:

ohh lol

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clever:

so the ext3 (massive) was 40000 days without fsck

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Jester05:

does the USB notify your pc to shut it down?

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clever:

took an hour to boot it back up

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clever:

nope, i manualy shut it off

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jpabq:

XFS and JFS are much, much better at dealing with large files than ext3. If you are worried about that, go with ext4

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clever:

then it somehow got set to 2020, so everything was 10 years old and began auto-expiring

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Jester05:

if you have a USB is there a way for you to send the kill signal to your pc?

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Jester05:

i'd like to make it all automated so it doesn't require any involvement on my part

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wagnerrp:

Jester05: you can emulate a keyboard and send the power key

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Jester05:

at the very least I'd need a txt telling me I lost power so I could ssh in via my droid and kill it

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wagnerrp:

up to your bios whether it shuts down, or goes into standby

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Jester05:

power key?

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Jester05:

ohh

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clever:

Jester05: i had rewired the house a bit, so the dsl modem wasnt on the ups

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clever:

and the wifi switch in the middle of the network got fried and wasnt on a ups either

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wagnerrp:

Jester05: normally you run software on your computer that monitors the UPS, and shuts down the computer if the battery gets too low

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clever:

i was running 2 computers from that ups

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Jester05:

wagnerrp, even linux software?

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clever:

and with the switch in the middle down, they couldnt talk to eachother

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wagnerrp:

www.networkupstools.org

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Jester05:

I want to build a new server and give it a UPS that'll allow it to shut down properly upon loss

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wagnerrp:

even works with clever's situation with multiple machines on a single UPS

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clever:

wagnerrp: if the machines can talk to eachother

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wagnerrp:

one master listens to the UPS, tells clients to shut down, shuts down itself, and then sets the UPS to auto-reboot

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clever:

if the switch linking them goes up in smoke, it wont do much good

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Jester05:

put the switch on ups ... duh ;)

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Jester05:

actually, just build a linux router box

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Jester05:

I think I'm going to build one with an ITX case

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clever:

Jester05: i ran an extension cord over to the switch

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clever:

it didnt come on

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clever:

the power brick isnt even giving 5vdc

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Jester05:

dang

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clever:

and i do have a linux router box

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clever:

but its just a router

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clever:

it doesnt have 20 cards and switch duties

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clever:

just 2 cards, dsl and lan

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Jester05:

yeah

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clever:

and that system has its own UPS and 12 port cisco switch

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Jester05:

is it bad that I'm talking to a girl about just hooking up? lol

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clever:

in an attempt to fix the DSL problems, i had moved the modem closer to the phone jack

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clever:

away from the UPS

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clever:

so that also went down

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clever:

i was able to scramle around and get everything back online while the power was out

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clever:

but the batterys didnt last long enough

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dfletcher:

lol who linked me to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_System_LEDs_ . . . rding_Status ? it says to do what wagnerrp just told me not to, it parses the status output :P

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: thats because it was written before the system event handler

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jpabq:

jya, got xwit compiled. Only had to fix about a dozen errors in the source. Thanks again for the help.

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wagnerrp:

it /used/ to be the proper way to do it

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, ah

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Jester05:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 23-_-Product

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Jester05:

I think i even have ram laying around for that lol ..

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Jester05:

if I got that, I have a pci gig port (slim), and a usb wifi dongle

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Jester05:

might as well make a $60 linux router ;)

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dfletcher:

heh right

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dfletcher:

60 + case + psu + memory ...

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dfletcher:

== more like $200 :P

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dfletcher:

just get one of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 23-_-Product

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dfletcher:

you can run tomato linux on that

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Jester05:

I have the mem laying around from an old laptop

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Jester05:

and case?.. i'll just mount it to a board and put a pexiglass box over it lol

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Jester05:

show off the hardware ;)

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dfletcher:

your laptop memory is compatible with this mini-itx?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?products_id=450

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clever:

my P2 dell desktop takes laptop memory for the onboard video

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Jester05:

wagnerrp, thats alot more $$

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dfletcher:

Jester05, and PSU?

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Jester05:

some of those ITX mobos come w/ a PSU

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dfletcher:

they do?

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wagnerrp:

but it comes with memory, takes a standard 12V power supply, runs off a CF card, has three network ports built in....

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dfletcher:

Jester05, example?

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TUplink:

anyone know anything about ADD2 Cards?

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kc:

Jester05: I run an apc ups. They work well with linux

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dfletcher:

oh wait yeah I've seen that Jester05. pico psu

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wagnerrp:

Jester05: even comes with a mini-pci slot in case you want to run /real/ wireless

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dfletcher:

Jester05, I hope you don't have big power requirements if that's your plan :P

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dfletcher:

nvidia + pico psu == dead pico psu :P

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klk:

to get audio from mythfrontend, I had to edit /etc/asound.conf and turn off pulseaudio

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clever:

dfletcher: what if i power it from a bank of 5 12v batterys?

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clever:

no psu!

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klk:

but now i don't get any sound from mythmusic

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dfletcher:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ooh... $3 more dollars and it comes with a built in UPS... http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?products_id=77

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Jester05:

I'd be talking about a linux router.. shouldn't take much

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clever:

if its 12v powered,that could be as simple as a massive 12v battery

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klk:

I get this error: AudioOutput Error: Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz

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Jester05:

the OS would be running off USB flash

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dfletcher:

clever, sure but here's a test: go get one of those cigarette lighter adapters and power your laptop from your dad's car all night

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dfletcher:

the experment is how angry he'll be that you've drained it :P

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clever:

dfletcher: the existing pico PSU will recharge it normaly

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dfletcher:

well that seems overcomplicated

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Jester05:

FE box anyone? ... http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/m200-lcd-p-2036.html?ref=base

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wagnerrp:

assuming you get a mini-itx, low power system, and a loud tiny fan

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dfletcher:

heh can you actually read that LCD from across the room?

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wagnerrp:

at least the M350 is nicely vented

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Jester05:

lol

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dfletcher:

I just got this thing http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091 cheap, no frills, miles of space and comes with 250w supply

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dfletcher:

now if I can just figure out how to mount that IR receiver in it, I'll be golden :)

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wagnerrp:

do you need that little red light?

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dfletcher:

nope! I was thinking that- use the HDD led

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wagnerrp:

well you wont use it

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dfletcher:

I mean the hole ;)

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wagnerrp:

youll pop it out and put the receiver in the hole

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wagnerrp:

right

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dfletcher:

and then the power LED for receiver indiciator

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dfletcher:

man that'll be slick

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wagnerrp:

wire it up in parallel to the power, with a dual color LED

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wagnerrp:

blue on power, flash to red on reception

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dfletcher:

ohohoh!

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dfletcher:

I have some RGB LEDs

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dfletcher:

mmmmm

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dfletcher:

good call!

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dfletcher:

this'll be sweet

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wagnerrp:

why do we have a Songwriters Guild union?

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wagnerrp:

i mean why are we propping up these people who look pretty and couldnt hold a note without autotune, and having other people write songs for them?

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Jester05:

yeah, i'm just going to make an itx case out of plexiglass, aluminum, and a few LEDs

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wagnerrp:

eew... plexiglass...

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Jester05:

lol

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Jester05:

what?

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Jester05:

my uncle has a bunch all the time, it'd be free

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wagnerrp:

maybe for some glossy accent on the front, ive just never been partial to seeing the innards of a computer

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dfletcher:

go steampunk!

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dfletcher:

brass and glass all the way

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Jester05:

I don't mind showing off my hardware

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wagnerrp:

id be perfectly content with a nice looking 1U

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dfletcher:

heh yeah I want mine to be a bit appliance like

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** iamlindoro smacks useless wiki editors **

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wagnerrp:

no cursing on the wiki either?

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dfletcher:

ahhh "13 programs, using 21 GB (10 hrs) out of 416 GB (351 GB free)."

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dfletcher:

now that's a lotta TV :)

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dfletcher:

I mean space for lotta TV :)

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wagnerrp:

thats not space for 'lotta tv'

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wagnerrp:

maybe 50hrs worth

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dfletcher:

heh for me it is

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dfletcher:

I'll never fill it

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wagnerrp:

oh ye have little faith

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dfletcher:

only 50?

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dfletcher:

I'm getting solid 2.2G hr for everything

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dfletcher:

more like 150 hrs

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 50hrs sounds good

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dfletcher:

the pvr-500 just outputs 2.2GB/hr, right? 416/2.2 == lot more than 50

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dfletcher:

it's not HD ;)

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wagnerrp:

well theres your mistake right there

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dfletcher:

heh

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dfletcher:

well yeah it should be

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dfletcher:

I'm also poor ATM ;)

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dfletcher:

so I'm making due

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners are cheap

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** dfletcher pays for an apartment in the SF bay area, wifey to go to school and food for both of us and 2 cats. the HD budget is out **

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dfletcher:

heh don't lie to me ;)

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dfletcher:

I need that huge Hauppauge box thing

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dfletcher:

it's like $300 :P

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dfletcher:

+ I need a new TV

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dfletcher:

+ Satellite upgrade

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dfletcher:

== $$$

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wagnerrp:

more like $200, and its not digital, nor is it a tuner

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dfletcher:

sorry I'm a noob with the video terminology :) yeah it's a component capture device

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dfletcher:

and yes I want all that stuff ;)

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dfletcher:

I don't want to cheap out on the TV though, min 30"

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** wagnerrp waits for meantux to get mean **

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wagnerrp:

'i dont wanna upgrade! i use linux so i can continue to use outdated and antique computer hardware'

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dfletcher:

hmm does anyone just go get a computer monitor for a TV? I'm seeing so little difference these days. speakers but meh.

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wagnerrp:

computer monitors generally dont come large enough

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dfletcher:

yeah true. but it would be something I could do soon ;)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: five minutes between login and logging notification? whats with that?

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dfletcher:

like a 24" one

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wagnerrp:

24" is surprisingly small from across the room

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dfletcher:

heh yeah I should just wait and get something good. I walked by these big nearly cardboard thin LCD TVs last time I was at the store. man those were sexy

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wagnerrp:

meh

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dfletcher:

it was like 60" wide :P

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dfletcher:

donno if it's worth $2700 though or whatever

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dfletcher:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+BRAVIA+60% . . . kuId=9763394

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dfletcher:

sure looked nice

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why these things even bother including speakers

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wagnerrp:

who is going to spend $2700 on a tv, and stick with the stock 2x10W speakers?

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dfletcher:

hah

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wagnerrp:

id MUCH rather they leave them off and drop the bezel size to match

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wagnerrp:

at least samsung did something interesting with their speakers

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wagnerrp:

the shoved them into a chamber behind the tv

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wagnerrp:

and had an angled duct out the bottom

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wagnerrp:

let them put in halfway decent speakers with minimal footprint

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wagnerrp:

'provides a lush soundscape'

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wagnerrp:

what does that even mean?

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dfletcher:

lol marketdroids

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dfletcher:

and Monster Cables (tm) sheild your cables from the boooogey man!

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wagnerrp:

shield your digital cables, get a crisper, less blurry image

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wagnerrp:

meh... the retail industry would collapse without things like monster cable

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wagnerrp:

apparently one sale of a monster HDMI cable nets them about as much as a dozen PS3s

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wagnerrp:

hahahahaha

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wagnerrp:

hehehe...

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hehehehehehahhahahahahahaha

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** wagnerrp points iamlindoro towards the mailing list **

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** wagnerrp begins to hurt from the laughter **

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iamlindoro:

uh oh

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** iamlindoro goes to look **

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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iamlindoro:

his hung loading indicator is from daniel's qtimer hack "fix", though-- sphery has a patch to revert it that fixes it for those people, I believe

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iamlindoro:

the rest, well... same old, same old

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wagnerrp:

and the weird pixelated blob?

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iamlindoro:

must be some sort of corrupted image, clearly

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wagnerrp:

you should respond, with a (duplicate) copy of the correct image to replace the one he has

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iamlindoro:

I'm not even subscribed any more-- theoretically it's to avoid this kind of thing

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dfletcher:

heh looking at the list of possible events, there's only 21. I bet I can make 21 distinct color/flash combinations on this RGB LED

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[R]:

omg encore is amazing

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** cesman wonders what "encore" is... **

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[R]:

movie channel;

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[R]:

i'm watching "The Jerk"

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[R]:

i dont think i've ever seen it not on cable tv

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[R]:

the dogs name isn't Stupid

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cesman:

ah

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wagnerrp:

ive seen it broadcast before

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cesman:

that encore

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wagnerrp:

some time in the 90s, saturday, probably fox

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[R]:

i mean uncensored

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont know if ive ever seen the movie uncensored

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[R]:

the dogs name is shithead

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[R]:

OMG

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[R]:

it just keeps getting better and better

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esperegu:

how do I position my satellite?

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Floppe:

do you own a satellite :o

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justinh:

ssh satellitecontrolserver -l superuser

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justinh:

set sat_position 3254656757,23565365267,25637567

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justinh:

set weather_conditions hurricane

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esperegu:

Floppe: =)

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esperegu:

but seriously.

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esperegu:

how to outline the dish?

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justinh:

use satellite finding gear of course

[06:34:39]

justinh:

like a compass, signal meter etc

[06:41:59]

justinh:

maybe even a ladder, electric drill, spanner..

[06:42:21]

justinh:

or you could just pay somebody who knows what they're doing

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esperegu:

justinh: don't you need a program to do that?

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esperegu:

I used a receiver before that was working

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esperegu:

justinh: but all tutorials work with a positioned sat

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justinh:

I aimed a dish once just by looking at other dishes in the area & guessing. but that was analogue & you knew the signal was good straight away

[06:44:54]

justinh:

get a pro in to align the dish then

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esperegu:

justinh: and then scanning. but to find the satelite you need to first have an configured device.

[06:45:27]

esperegu:

justinh: that makes no sence. You just need a tuned device

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justinh:

hmmm. I think asking questions through a translation engine is not a winning solution

[06:45:42]

esperegu:

but I can not find a tutorial to do that

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esperegu:

justinh: ? what you mean?

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justinh:

I mean your lack of understanding of the english language is causing serious problems

[06:46:31]

esperegu:

=)

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esperegu:

what did I do wrong?

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justinh:

mostly just use the wrong words

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esperegu:

justinh: that sucks then.

[06:47:15]

esperegu:

justinh: I was in the opinion that my english was suficient =)

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justinh:

position my satellite... I could easily take that to mean you're asking "how to position the dish"

[06:47:51]

justinh:

and 'outline the dish' – same conclusion there too

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justinh:

so. you have a dish.. okay. is it already aligned to point at a satellite? Do you know if it works – like has it operated with a satellite receiver in the past?

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esperegu:

justinh: but anyways. before I used a 'normal' sat receiver and a satfinder to position the dish. But I don't have a traditional sat receiver now. And al tutorials online they are based on the right position of the dish and start with the scanning. How to somehow set the device (in pc) so that I can use the satfinder with it?

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justinh:

sounds like your dish is already pointing the right way so you do not need a satfinder

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esperegu:

justinh: no. It's not there at the moment. I have to put itthere again.

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justinh:

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justinh:

so you DO need to find out how to point the dish

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justinh:

so you DO need a satfinder

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esperegu:

justinh: yes. that's what I'm asking =)

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justinh:

and NO you do NOT need to use the PC

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esperegu:

justinh: not?

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justinh:

you power the LNB via the satfinder

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esperegu:

justinh: but that satfinder had to be put between the dish and the receiver.

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esperegu:

hmm

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justinh:

so it's pretty simple then

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justinh:

you put the satfinder between the LNB & the PC tuner card

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justinh:

then you try & tune something on the tuner card

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AndyCap:

esperegu: or use femon + szap + ssh and a laptop, but not sure if that's a good idea.

[06:56:51]

esperegu:

AndyCap: what's femon? and how should it work? any tutorial around?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: man, we need to get a posse together to exterminate these dolts who think arclight is broken

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justinh:

I wouldn't use femon to try to align a dish

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justinh:

not initially

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esperegu:

justinh: Ok. so with a satfinder you don't need the receiver? only for power right?

[07:00:22]

justinh:

yup

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esperegu:

justinh: k. cool

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justinh:

all the satfinders I've seen can take batteries

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esperegu:

AndyCap: femon looks cool (http://www.saunalahti.fi/~rahrenbe/vdr/femon/). is taht also for mythtv? and you would use the ssh to connect to the device that is hosting the receiver card or something?

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esperegu:

justinh: yeah. this one needs 10!! AA batteries it seams.

[07:01:48]

justinh:

femon just snoops on the signal quality stats from the tuner card

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AndyCap:

esperegu: iirc femon comes with dvb-apps. that's a vdr-plugin for femon

[07:02:57]

esperegu:

AndyCap: k. thx

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AndyCap:

esperegu: and yes, it's a command line app, and you would have to tune the card with szap to a transponder that's active on the satellite you want. and getting a satfinder might be a lot easier for you. :P

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AndyCap:

And, I don't know how good the measurements are from various cards.

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esperegu:

AndyCap: to bad there is no easy tool for that.

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Guest18683:

I use dvico remote and receiver I need to unload the moduel prior to suspend

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Guest18683:

how do i find out the module name

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justinh:

lsmod |grep dvb perhaps?

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Guest18683:

Justin thnaks but no dvb stuff installed its on my front end

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Guest18683:

justinh

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skd5aner:

for our UK friends, anyone watch "The IT crowd"?

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highzeth:

no & yes(in that order), brilliant series

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highzeth:

season 3 had me crying in laughter

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skd5aner:

yea, I was wondering if it was good or terrible

[10:12:29]

skd5aner:

most shows that embelish the geek stereotype are aweful

[10:12:38]

skd5aner:

I'm looking at you "The Big Bang Theory"

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GreyFoxx:

skd: I LOVE that show

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GreyFoxx:

laugh my ass off all the time

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highzeth:

skd5aner: oh yeah, Big Bang is utter rubbish

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GreyFoxx:

I mean IT crowd

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GreyFoxx:

I liked TBBT though :) Sheldon is ridiculous

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highzeth:

skd5aner: for me season 3 has by far been the best season of IT Crowd =)

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sphery:

+1 on TBBT

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GreyFoxx:

Can't wait for season 4

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sphery:

and the vanity cards are always worth a pause

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highzeth:

glad to hear there is a s4 in the works, last time I read anything they where still unsure of future backing. =)

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GreyFoxx:

It was announced the other day :)

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johnnyj:

I can't make it through much of IT Crowd – we need a laugh track suppressor – sometimes I wish laugh tracks could be a seperate audio track and thereby disabled

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highzeth:

GreyFoxx: excellent news!

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highzeth:

johnnyj: in general I agree with you, but on some shows it fits the "theme" of it rather well

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skd5aner:

Samsung 1.5TB external USB2.0 HD, $139, marked down to $119, plus another $20 off with coupon code HARDOCP427B bringing it to $99 with free shipping, ends today... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152179

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skd5aner:

sphery: +1 as in your like TBBT?

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sphery:

love it

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skd5aner:

sphery: I can't stand it, but to each their own

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sphery:

heh

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skd5aner:

:)

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sphery:

maybe it's just because on my OTA-only TV diet, I can't watch true masterpieces, like Mad men

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sphery:

or Weeds

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skd5aner:

heh

[10:27:21]

sphery:

or <whatever current cable phenomenon is>

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skd5aner:

yea

[10:27:50]

skd5aner:

you're not missing a ton, but a few gems are out there cable-only

[10:28:07]

skd5aner:

I'm liking a few things on fx right now

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sphery:

I do watch a few cable shows on DVD--though they have to be very high in my list to warrant my purchasing DVD's to watch them instead of watching some of the 1400 recordings in my backlog.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: 1.5 or 2.0?

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wagnerrp:

because thats not that great for 1.5

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: 1.5TB

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wagnerrp:

so can anyone who has actually owned a PVR-350 comment on its output versus that of a modern graphics card?

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skd5aner:

$99 (+ free shipping) ain't bad for a quality, name brand HD compared to the average starting price of $119-$129 (+$5–10 shipping) for a 1.5TB external drive (prices from newegg), that's about ~20% off

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wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148412

[11:18:56]

wagnerrp:

$10 cheaper, free shipping, no need to deal with coupons

[11:19:48]

wagnerrp:

four of the other 1.5TB drives listed are $100, the fifth is $120

[11:20:19]

wagnerrp:

and its one of the special WD DVR drives

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skd5aner:

rebates, I'll give you – but the coupon is in the listing, you just have to copy and paste?

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skd5aner:

I didn't say internal hard drive

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skd5aner:

I said external

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wagnerrp:

i know

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skd5aner:

apples and oranges

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wagnerrp:

who wants an external though

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skd5aner:

me

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wagnerrp:

bleh... usb2.0

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: if you don't want it, don't comment – geeze, why does it feel like you always have to contridict, correct, and one-up everything sometimes? :P

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iamlindoro:

Ooh, I've missed wiki drama

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GrahamIRC:

:-)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I mean, I love your opinion most of the time, but somtimes it feels ike you think your opinion is the only one that counts

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: im just thinking from the point of a mythtv box

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wagnerrp:

not for general purpose

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wsuetholz:

Hello, has anybody been successful using a Foxconn NT330i as a frontend?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: true, for a mythbox, a USB drive is almost definitely not going to cut the mustard

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats what you get for going to sleep before 3am

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

it was probably 3AM somewhere

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wagnerrp:

3am... where you are?

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iamlindoro:

well no

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wagnerrp:

not currently in cali?

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iamlindoro:

Just saying when I went to bed, it ws undoubtedly 3 AM somewhere

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wsuetholz:

in myth it locks up quickly. However, I tested the network by bouncing a 6gb file from the server and back a few times, and now I'm testing playing that video with mplayer, and it's not locking up

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skd5aner:

Yea, kind of like when I have to work with folks in Singapore and UK, at the same time, boy is it fun to work with folks +6 an +12 hours ahead of you

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wagnerrp:

wsuetholz: locks up, as in myth becomes unresponsive? or the whole system crashes?

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wsuetholz:

whole system crashes.. even my ssh sessions!

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wsuetholz:

caps lock stops working as well

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skd5aner:

so, what happened on the wiki?

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wsuetholz:

I did run the frontend this morning with a -v playback

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wsuetholz:

but it cut out in the middle of writing the timestamp out.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: some pvr-350 user complaining about the lack of video support in 0.23

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wagnerrp:

except gbee got a bit overzealous with him

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skd5aner:

heh

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skd5aner:

via the wiki?

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wsuetholz:

oh, yes I'm still using myth 0.22, but I upgraded to ubuntu 10.04 yesterday to see if that would help..

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wagnerrp:

the guy had posted a single link to his homepage on his user page

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wagnerrp:

so gbee saw that as spam

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wagnerrp:

blocked his account

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wagnerrp:

reverted all his edits

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iamlindoro:

Well, I think gbee genuinely thought that was spam (and didnt' go there to check)

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skd5aner:

oh, yea... ewww

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iamlindoro:

when he realized the mistake he undid the block/revert

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skd5aner:

yea

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wagnerrp:

yeah, a few minutes afterwards

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** iamlindoro has made the same mistake **

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wsuetholz:

I don't presently have the backend here, I brought the machine to work to do the mplayer testing that I wanted to do...

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wagnerrp:

wsuetholz: if youre running 10.04, youre running mythtv 0.23

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wagnerrp:

your backend better do so as well

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wsuetholz:

let me double check...

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skd5aner:

I've got a buddy who's wife works at pfizer – they were talking about how hard it is to block spam since they can't block on the word "viagra" or even derivatives or mispellings

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wagnerrp:

heh

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skd5aner:

probably not even their competitors trade names either, since they would likely have emails about those as well

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wsuetholz:

hmm, everything in the dpkg --list indicates 0.22 except mythtv-themes package which is 0.23..

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skd5aner:

but spam for me, at work and on my various personal accounts, hasn't really been a problem for a while... luckily. Also seems trac spam isn't as bad as it was

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wsuetholz:

I've tried various settings for VDPAU, and none of them seem to make any difference to the lockups.

[11:36:17]

wsuetholz:

Should I be upgrading to 0.23.. Do you think that would help?

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wsuetholz:

If so, is there a wiki page on how to upgrade frontends that net boot?

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wsuetholz:

sorry, that last one should be directed at ubuntu-mythtv

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

MythTV 0.23 Release Candidate 3 Hits The Web

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iamlindoro:

May 03 – Will This Be The Last?

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wagnerrp:

if mythfrontend were to move completely to opengl, would there be any need to pre-scale the themes/artwork any longer?

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wagnerrp:

couldnt they just be decompressed and shuffled into the graphics card?

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wagnerrp:

let the graphics card do whatever it wants from there

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Mark would be the best one to answer that, but I suspect once everything was a texture, it would all be scalable

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering from someone complaining about excessive memory usage in the frontend

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iamlindoro:

We actually have some very small in-memory image cache-- I think it was something like 50 MB... everything else is loaded from the disk cache as needed

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wagnerrp:

where does the 500MB+ usage come from when scrolling through recording/video artwork?

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iamlindoro:

But I have my own thoughts about people who complain about memory use without any actual symptom

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wagnerrp:

im in no way sharing their complaint, just wondering

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iamlindoro:

I've never managed to get a satisfactory answer to that-- but personally I'd rather have it in memory than pulling from the disk cache all the time

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wagnerrp:

i figured it was just a necessary side effect of having all that stuff

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justinh:

RAM is cheap these days

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iamlindoro:

especially when an uncompressed 1080p image is 8MB

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iamlindoro:

meaning every 6 images you'd hit the disk, yucky

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iamlindoro:

(and presumably every image thereafter)

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justinh:

muhhhhhhhhhhhh, but me wants to wun mythfwunted on casio digital watch – it has tooo kay!

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justinh:

wagnerrp: fwiw, going entirely gl-based would win you more than potential memory savings anyway.

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Captain_Murdoch:

in-use images don't count against the in-memory cache's size limit.

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wagnerrp:

justinh: certainly

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justinh:

get rid of the prescaling, do stuff on the fly instead.. and let those without capable gl eat cake

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justinh:

that prolly includes myself actually.. grrr lame crap Intel... but a pci-e vga card isn't much wonga

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Captain_Murdoch:

and the default cache size is only 20MB.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks for the info-- what distinguishes an image as "in-use" but not "in-memory?"

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Captain_Murdoch:

the refcount. we upref when using a MythImage in MythUIImage and downref when not using it anymore. so images that are in use have a refcount > 1 (ie, the cached entry counts as a use as well). images that aren't in use have a refcount = 1; when we remove something from the cache, we downref it to 0 and that deletes the image from memory.

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wagnerrp:

so QT is actually handling all the cache management

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, we are. mythuihelper.cpp

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Captain_Murdoch:

we have our own refcount and memory cache.

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Captain_Murdoch:

with fanart, etc, it would probably benefit users to have a default > 20MB. that's only 2 full-screen fanart images when scrolling down 'All Programs'.

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Captain_Murdoch:

if iamlindoro's math above is right. :)

[12:14:23]

iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks for the explanation

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** Captain_Murdoch still has some of that in his head from working on the background loading patch/issues. **

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/287911.html yay

[12:20:14]

iamlindoro:

I am not sure I agree about "highly customized," but I at least appreciate someone who understands

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iamlindoro:

IMO, it's like picking a desktop wallpaper for people-- you are going to be wrong 90% of the time

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justinh:

yeah, you turned my HDTV into a blocky mess of pixels! :-O

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justinh:

you you you – evildoer, you!

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iamlindoro:

Guess people figure they paid for all those pixels, might as well use 'em

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justinh:

still don't see the point in having highly detailed background images. you're sposed to be looking at the stuff in front innit

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** justinh shakes his fist at the theme with an annoying moire effect **

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wagnerrp:

which one is that?

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justinh:

mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

Heh, it's sort of funny that You can go so right for 99.99999% of the theme (as people seem to generally like the rest) but that tiny, user modifiable .00001% is what gets them up in arms... and I *like* my background!

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iamlindoro:

So I must have had a lapse of bad taste that day, or a lapse of good taste for the six months before ;)

[12:26:48]

justinh:

I really want to get HD, but I'm still having a bad time justifying it

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justinh:

come July I'll have an even harder job to justify it :)

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wagnerrp:

http://gizmodo.com/5529528

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wagnerrp:

man spends over 3hrs taking a 45 gigapixel panoramic shot of dubai

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wagnerrp:

internet uses it to find girl in bikini

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iamlindoro:

Gizmodo? Don't their server's live in Steve Jobs' living room now? :)

[12:34:40]

iamlindoro:

er servers

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wagnerrp:

nah, just their editor's

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wagnerrp:

he uses them as table stands,

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iamlindoro:

need more zoom, can't tell if she's good looking

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wagnerrp:

a harsh reminder as why you 'dont f- with the steve'

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iamlindoro:

face covered, too. Boo! Oh well, I'll miss her when the religious police round her up and execute her for indecency

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justinh:

ahh finally. mod_deflate enabled & mythweb is actually tolerably fast

[12:38:36]

wagnerrp:

at 45gp, you see the girl

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wagnerrp:

at 200gp, you can read the title of the book shes holding

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wagnerrp:

at 4000gp, you can see.... her huge adams apple?

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/287913.html

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-users, missing the point since 2000forever

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justinh:

that'll be the internets for yer

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wagnerrp:

why unsubscribe if youre simply going to look through the archives?

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justinh:

why subscribe, when you've had a quick look through the archives? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

because then you can respond to stupidity and be ignored

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wagnerrp:

come on justinh, there is someone wrong on the internet, its your duty to correct and belittle them

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justinh:

resistance is futile

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justinh:

heh speaking of memory usage.. somebody thinks 270MB is a lot for mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: If people would just stop mentioning it, I might be able to quit :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: but I look at one, then I have to look at the next, etc.

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justinh:

here's a good one – I

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justinh:

duh

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justinh:

I'm new & I'm here to stay. heh. like forum accounts ever expire

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mag0o:

yay for google cache and amazon s3

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mag0o:

league of moveabletype been down all morning and i needed my fonts :)

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iamlindoro:

mag0o: LOMT working here

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mag0o:

sure is now

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: The same memory complaint guy has a lengthy post in the ubuntu forums-- guess he decided to find yet another place to complain

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: justinh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464668 Same misspelling of ridiculous, too

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justinh:

nah it's like RIDiculous but more important cos it's RED ;-)

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iamlindoro:

In fact, looks like he took his same exact post from a week ago and copy-pasted it wholesale

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iamlindoro:

I don't like these answers, I'll take my question elsewhere!

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wagnerrp:

in fairness, he does have a valid point about mythwelcome

[13:13:23]

wagnerrp:

no reason it should be taking that much memory

[13:13:39]

wagnerrp:

(thats the post my previous opengl questions were about)

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markl_:

is it possible to make a slideshow kind of like the weather pluging, but have a mix of photos, news summaries, weather, etc ?

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markl_:

plugin

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markl_:

i have been having fun with weather & news and I would like to make a 5 minute report or something

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wagnerrp:

sure, if you write the plugin to do it

[13:17:07]

markl_:

heh obviously :) i was just wondering if anyone had ever hacked on something like this

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stuartm:

sorry for all the noise on the wiki, trying to figure out how these parser functions work (or why they seemingly don't)

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stuartm:

starting to think I should have left this stuff to the experienced wikifiddlers

[13:20:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: "It seems like the changes to appease the masses [by making Arclight menus vertical] made it into a completely new theme. Too bad, I liked the original better." This is why we ended up with how many copies of default before mythui?

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sphery:

because people think all it takes to get a new theme is to change the menu trivially

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I'm more curious where he got a copy of the early revision, since he is experienced enough with it to render an opinion ;)

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sphery:

heh

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skd5aner:

ah, hd-audio branch eh?

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iamlindoro:

So it seems

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skd5aner:

cool

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iamlindoro:

mind you, it doesn't actually add support for HD audio formats, those have been supported in myth for a year or so

[13:25:14]

iamlindoro:

Believe it just allows one to render them at their native bit-resolution

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iamlindoro:

(and 8 channel where applicable)

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skd5aner:

yup, the cool part is just seeing what JYA and foobum are working on

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wagnerrp:

foobum?

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skd5aner:

sorry, that's his email... foobar

[13:26:23]

skd5aner:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2010-May/066720.html

[13:26:31]

iamlindoro:

fake name, fake name, let's call the whole thing off

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skd5aner:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

dont know who that is

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skd5aner:

anyway – I was glad to see the audio changes that went into .23, I can now finally timestrech my HD content

[13:28:59]

skd5aner:

still have some issues timestreching certian HD content where the audio is consistent, but video fluctuates (speeds up, slows down – a few times a second)

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iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9235 . . . #post9235667

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iamlindoro:

There, that ought to calm that conversation down

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wagnerrp:

or make it a hornets nest

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GreyFoxx:

I'd say option 2 :)

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GreyFoxx:

Though in general I agree with the original posters comment on our embedded and external subtitle support

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GreyFoxx:

My mom's hearing has been going so now my dad has tasked me with reripping all of his DVD's so that subtitles are available for her. First time I had really looking into that stuff

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: embedded subtitles in DVDs work just fine

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iamlindoro:

Our embedded subtitle support works great, *if* you don't use embedded text subtitles

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wagnerrp:

so do those same embedded subtitles when remuxed into an mkv

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iamlindoro:

embedded bitmap, external text, eitehr will work

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GreyFoxx:

wag: doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

embedded dvdsub's in mkv's are seen, but not decoded

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GreyFoxx:

it appears we only decode them in dvdringbuffer

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GreyFoxx:

but I've really spent all of 1 evening looking at it after encoding a few and checking into why I couldn't see the sub's

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't sound right to me

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iamlindoro:

getting PGS (bluray) subtitles to work in MKV was a one-like add to matroskadec-- and it already has the appropriate like for DVD subs

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GreyFoxx:

The player sees the subs, and I can select them from the menu, but nothing is every display, nothing is ever logged as being processed

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GreyFoxx:

I'll pop in some debug code when I get a chance

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: if that's the case you should mention it to mark/get him a sample, he's been working hard at all the subs

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GreyFoxx:

Will do

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iamlindoro:

He may even have some interest in embedded text

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iamlindoro:

We discussed what was needed for that a week or two ago

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GreyFoxx:

I'd love to see us support stuff like embedded images and such in mkv's

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GreyFoxx:

coverfiles and such

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why all these home theaters want to reproduce the look of a theater

[14:06:09]

wagnerrp:

why would you want tier'd seating in your own home

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iamlindoro:

I think it's cool

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Captain_Murdoch:

better than having to have a really wide room if you have 5–6 people watching something.

[14:07:41]

iamlindoro:

If I had a basement I wasn't doing anything with otherwise, I'd totally want that

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Captain_Murdoch:

ditto.

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iamlindoro:

I'd want to do the work myself as much as possible, I love projects like that :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I've seen several of my wife's home design/improvement shows where they came into a basement or largish room and added a set of tiers for 6 or so recliners.

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wagnerrp:

this is probably the closest i would want to come to any sort of tier (see bottom image)... http://www.electronichouse.com/article/home_t . . . amily_values

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dfletcher:

lol

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dfletcher:

14 monster cables

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dfletcher:

what a joke

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** dfletcher wishes he had money to just throw away :/ **

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AndyCap:

dfletcher: you don't want to let the cable monster into your wallet?

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dfletcher:

:P

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wagnerrp:

being rated in the $250k+ category, im sure those monster cables didnt make a dent

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ooh, an "even VHS VCRs" WOW!!!!

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npm:

the only part of that setup i'd want is the genelecs

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wagnerrp:

im not talking about the equipment, just the room layout

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AndyCap:

unless someone thought 10% for cables is a good idea

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wagnerrp:

im saying i dont like those installs where they have 2–3 rows of theater style seating

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npm:

as if anybody has space for that

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wagnerrp:

a couple chairs or a couch, which another couch or bar stools on an upper level is the closest i would want to multiple rows of seating

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J-e-f-f-A:

Forget the Theater seats... I want a recliner!

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AndyCap:

well, do you want a living room, or a theatre in your home

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yes.

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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npm:

the second row flips over to reveal a pair of stairmasters or weight set

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AndyCap:

npm: the excercisebike powered cinema? :P

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npm:

that would be interesting, have a rig that takes so much power that at least four people have to be pedaling at all times

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wagnerrp:

two hours of biking provides enough power for 10 minutes of movie

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npm:

and otherwise, no watchee

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so no movies then

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npm:

as it would be off the grid

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npm:

it would be the family weight loss plan theater

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stuartm:

I like that idea, not for actually powering it, but the TV would only work so long as you kept peddling, couch-potato remedy

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npm:

but not hard work just easy pedalling

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AndyCap:

say dances with wolves, 3 hours, 18 hours of pedaling

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npm:

you want to be able to watch

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wagnerrp:

ive heard claims that an experienced bicyclist can sustain around 200W

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AndyCap:

slightly uphill treadmill

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** J-e-f-f-A could sustain 20w **

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npm:

and when someone starts getting tired, everybody eggs them on because they want to see the end of the movie :-)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: oh come on... i could do ~40W as a 6yr old kid visiting a hydroelectric dam

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jheizer:

Hey all trying to piece together why soemthing scheduled the way it did

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AndyCap:

http://blog.mapawatt.com/2009/07/19/bicycle-power-watts/

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npm:

and i figured out that it was skype secretly snarfling up my pvr-500 thinking it was a webcam

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jheizer:

2 tuners, same source, atsc, multi record, same priority, should a show that overlaps times on the same channel go to muli rec vs the second tuner?

[14:26:33]

AndyCap:

"the best human efforts at producing power over the course of an hour on a bicycle are around 300–400 Watts." You're not watching a movie then I guess. :P

[14:26:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: in High school I rode my bike about 15 miles per day... not anymore... ;-)

[14:27:29]

wagnerrp:

maybe it was 200 for the average adult

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AndyCap:

"At ReRev(TM), we are retrofitting gym equipment to make alternative energy in a safe, fun, carbon-neutral and healthy manner. "

[14:27:42]

AndyCap:

Does this mean the gym will start paying me?

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dfletcher:

hmm is there some middle ground between "delete" and "delete and rerecord"? some programs are repeating too often – but we *would* like to watch again someday. just not tomorrow ;)

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jheizer:

stupid fox marking shows as 1hr 4 min

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dfletcher:

tivo had a feature – something like "don't record again for at least 1 month".. so when the networks get all slaphappy and play something 40 times in a week we only see it once

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GreyFoxx:

dfletc: No there is nothing like that in myth

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dfletcher:

the best I've thought of so far that's similar in myth is to permanently delete and then periodically clean up the rules. which takes work ;)

[14:30:47]

dfletcher:

boo

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jheizer:

only reason I am cariung about this is in turn is it pushing everything down one tuner

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: thats not how it works

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wagnerrp:

all old recordings are kept in a separate table

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will not re-record anything in that table unless it is checked off to allow so

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wagnerrp:

has nothing to do with the recording rules

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jheizer:

any one know if I make one of the 2 tuners have a higher proirity will that make it look at multi rec virtual tuner before moving to the next free tuner?

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, well I swear I saw a button somewhere (mythweb?) for cleaning out old ules

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dfletcher:

looking for it

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jheizer:

anyone recording house and 24 will have what I am seeing

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wagnerrp:

jheizer: mythtv will record it on the next available tuner that is able to tune that channel

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wagnerrp:

if you have your virtual tuners ordered sequentially, it will select the next virtual tuner

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dfletcher:

hrm I think since I reinstalled we've only been doing "allow rerecord", I think this table must be empty ATM

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wagnerrp:

if you have added all your physical tuners first, and then went back through and added virtuals

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wagnerrp:

which is suggested as a way of better handling livetv with virtual tuners

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will still go to the next tuner in the list, which happens to be a physical tuner instead of a virtual one

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jheizer:

just checked in and the virtuals come after each individual physical

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jheizer:

so tuner, virt, tuner, virt

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, anyway when I go to the mythweb program detail page and have told it previously to never record episodes of it again – there's a button to clear those. at least, I swear there was before, maybe I dreamed this =)

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jheizer:

is weird, I have never noticed this happening before

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jheizer:

*Just checked in DB

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: yes, there is a 'forget old' button

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dfletcher:

right so all I was saying is that that is rather a weak stragtegy for managing when stuff can be rerecorded

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dfletcher:

but if there's no other options...

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dfletcher:

e.g. there's this pub crawl on the food network. it was fun, but I don't need to see it *every day*

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dfletcher:

maybe next year or something

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dfletcher:

but there's no way to tell myth "timeout after 6 months"

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wagnerrp:

you can do that yourself

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dfletcher:

exactly

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dfletcher:

tivo did it for me :(

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** dfletcher decides myth needs this feature **

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wagnerrp:

you could even do it with one simple sql command

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wagnerrp:

flip the duplicate flag for everything in that table older than 6mo

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jheizer:

not trying to be a pest, just trying to decide if it starting doing this with .23 or if I am crazy

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jheizer:

upcoming recorings screen shot http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/heezer7/screenshot8.png

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jheizer:

tuners http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/heezer7/screenshot7.png

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wagnerrp:

'guests who are interested can pedal for about fifteen minutes generating 10Wh of electricity, and earning themselves a $36 meal voucher'

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jheizer:

the house and 24 switching tuners

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wagnerrp:

most expensive power ever

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stuartm:

jheizer: bad guide data, take it up with SD

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wagnerrp:

thats all of maybe $0.001 worth of energy off the grid

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skd5aner:

for some reason, jamu -mw thought 24 = Kill Bill for some reason last night, hadn't had that problem before

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, yeah thought about the 6 month sql method. bit like hitting it with a sledgehammer :P

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wagnerrp:

jheizer: the scheduler in mythtv has not changed in since the inclusion of multirec

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dfletcher:

each program should timeout 6 months from delete date, not all at once :P

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jheizer:

k, and the extra 5 minutes are from me

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stuartm:

oh, I guess I see what you mean there, no idea why it's using the second tuner instead of a virtual

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jheizer:

end late

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: so add a table that you list only those shows you want to time out

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dfletcher:

yep

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wagnerrp:

and then only flip those oldrecorded entries that match something in that separate table

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jheizer:

not a problem this monday, but next has 2x the things recording

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stuartm:

although I'd double check that you actually have virtual tuners defined

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dfletcher:

or just add a column to that table you mentioned earlier – a timeout date field

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jheizer:

db table screeenshot above

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dfletcher:

then the sql is just – delete everything that has timed out

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jheizer:

and they all show online on status page

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: messing with existing tables for personal use is ill advised

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dfletcher:

heh

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dfletcher:

well I'd actually like to get the feature into myth eventually. can I not plan for that?

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: just because it can cause problems for future schema updates

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dfletcher:

well I'd track that

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dfletcher:

during dev time

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wagnerrp:

right, we cant trust most of our user base to

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jheizer:

going to try bumping one of the 2 tuners priorities and see if that changes things

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jheizer:

no luck

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jheizer:

well, I tricked it into working right

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jheizer:

I think show priorties were messing it up

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jheizer:

I made House have a higher priority than Chuck, so now its gets Tuner1 and 24 already had a higher prio sop it wants tuner one now as well

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jheizer:

so show priorty > virtual tuner I guess

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skimj:

Where can I find good instructions for setting up mythtranscode? The stuff on the wiki seems to be severely out of date.

[14:57:34]

jheizer:

looks like that cleaned up next week as well

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jheizer:

trying to keep everything on the 3 HD tuners vs 1 SD

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wagnerrp:

skimj: IMHO, mythtranscode itself is severely out of date

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skimj:

maybe that's the problem. I found some web results describing scripts with nuvexport (or however you say it)

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skimj:

Is that a better approach?

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jheizer:

is this a "bug" I should try to document and submit?

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dfletcher:

ah! wagnerrp awesome idea. I'll implement it as an event script :)

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dfletcher:

events are cool

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wagnerrp:

implement what?

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dfletcher:

in that case yeah – external storage

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dfletcher:

recording delete timeout

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dfletcher:

recording delete is an event I can catch. an I could run the sql delete query on mythfilldb or something

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dfletcher:

this is cool because people can try it out – I can 'test the waters', see if people like the idea

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jheizer:

wagnerrp stuartm: Is this something I should doc and submit to trac or no?

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wagnerrp:

i would leave it off trac unless you intend to add a timeout setting and write it into the housekeeper tasks

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skimj:

What do most people do for transcoding? Scripts?

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wagnerrp:

skimj: i simply dont

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jheizer:

buy another HD here

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wagnerrp:

jheizer++

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jheizer:

$100 vs transcode everything

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jheizer:

k, will leave it off trac, not sure if it was a "bug" or just an unexpected side effect

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wagnerrp:

jheizer: oh, the scheduler thing? if you can figure out what exactly is going on, id submit to trac

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wagnerrp:

but someone who knows better may close it as improper setup

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jheizer:

changed the tuner priority back, and it is still going to record correctly

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skimj:

I'm not worried about HD space. I have a second home and would like to compress recording a bit so that I can watch them there... I understand that I'm in legal gray-area.

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wagnerrp:

i was thinking of dfletcher's 'allow re-record at some distant point'

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wagnerrp:

got mixed up

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jheizer:

got ya, no problem

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wagnerrp:

skimj: just take them on a hard drive with you when you go there

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jheizer:

will write it up and if they delete then ok

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dfletcher:

heh sorry I tend to confuse people :P

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not designed for internet streaming

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jheizer:

.Net dev here that wishes he had the free time to learn linux C and help out more

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wagnerrp:

regardless of how small you recompress them

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wagnerrp:

jheizer: its actually C++ with QT

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jheizer:

so try if I can on reporting at least

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wagnerrp:

which is a lot higher level than basic C

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jheizer:

well yeah c++

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jheizer:

have a few things I think would be really nice to have add in

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wagnerrp:

a lot of the string processing and memory allocation is handled in the background

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jheizer:

and have started going over the code a few times

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wagnerrp:

so you dont have to worry about it

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jheizer:

just haven't made it anywhere yet

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skimj:

I was thinking of a script to copy them to the other location. Moving a hard drive just seems so manual, especially when I have such a fancy internet connection there :)

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skimj:

well thanks for the input

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wagnerrp:

skimj: what is your speed?

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skimj:

it's cable, but since the area ins mostly second homes, it's underutilised. I can normally get a few MB up, 8+ down

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wagnerrp:

mb or MB?

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dfletcher:

man the wiki is good! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Oldrecorded_table <-- EXACTLY what I needed :P

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skimj:

I guess that'd actually be mb/s

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: not really

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wagnerrp:

those pages are not much more than you find through 'desc oldrecorded'

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dfletcher:

yes they are

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dfletcher:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . v=17318#L103

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dfletcher:

points me to that :P

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dfletcher:

which heh how is mysql going to know those? ;)

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wagnerrp:

thats one of the few that actually has additional details

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dfletcher:

heh that's funny

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dfletcher:

I got lucky. good first impression :P

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dfletcher:

oh btw the libs/libmythtv/programinfo.h link on the Oldrecorded_table wiki page linking to bad trac page

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wagnerrp:

you can update it

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dfletcher:

ohfine I'll make an account :P

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dfletcher:

fixd :)

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jheizer:

Bah, jsut got stuck on the phone forever

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jheizer:

have done C++ a long time ago, but never touched QT

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jheizer:

sounds interesting

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jheizer:

really need to get the source anyway to add the patches for hdopvr and live tv

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jheizer:

just hard to mess with it wehen you have 3 machines netbooting from the sdame image and don;t want to break them all :-)

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dfletcher:

hmm is there support for connecting to myth database in other languages than perl? I hate perl :P

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sphery:

jheizer: why it uses second tuner instead of virtual tuner is probably because you're setting input priorities, etc

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sphery:

dfletcher: what specifically are you trying to do? delay transcoding until some amount of time after the recording?

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dfletcher:

sphery, no I'm just going to delete entries from oldrecorded after 6 months from delete time. something halfyway between "record again" and "never record again" :)

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dfletcher:

so it's just a couple simple queries

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jheizer:

sphery: in the end tweaking a show priority fixed it

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dfletcher:

I could just parse the mysql.txt file myself

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sphery:

jheizer: fixed /this/ one

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dfletcher:

in python :P

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jheizer:

either way they would all record, just depends on which one it decided to schedule first

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sphery:

dfletcher: the better way would be to use the python bindings to just set an allow-re-record

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Nidhoegger:

hi, im scanning atm for DVB-T channels and it tells me "channel 45 timed out, 6 probable channels", i know this are free-tv channels (i searched on my DVB-T box as well). How do i get mythtv to add them?

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sphery:

Nidhoegger: increase the tuning and signal timeout in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

max them out

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dfletcher:

sphery, sure ok. I wasn't sure best way to actually do that part. but yeah it looks like I can set rectype

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jheizer:

and even record from the same imput source

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Nidhoegger:

thanks sphery!

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dfletcher:

but mostly I just want an easy way to connect ATM :P

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dfletcher:

* that's not perl :P

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sphery:

dfletcher: it should set duplicate--maintains recording history /and/ allows shows to be re-recorded

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Nidhoegger:

and another question: its a analog TV & DVB-T combination. But analog doesnt even get a signal (its recognizes as v4l device). What can i do about that?

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sphery:

yeah, the Perl bindings are in serious need of a rework

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dfletcher:

ah ok I see it thanks sphery

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sphery:

(but seem to be getting one)

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dfletcher:

sphery, hmm so what's nsNeverRecord then?

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sphery:

dfletcher: if the Python bindigns don't yet support flipping it, I'm sure a patch to them would be appreciated

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Let me show you how to get this done

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iamlindoro:

Perl obviously completely sucks... if it was any good, the python bindings wouldn't be so much better

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dfletcher:

oh there's python bindings!

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** dfletcher finds them **

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sphery:

dfletcher: no, rsNeverRecord is a recording status... You'd want to set duplicate = 0

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jheizer:

sphery: so I guess you are saying don't bother writing it all up?

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dfletcher:

sphery, cool gotcha

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sphery:

jheizer: if it's not a configuration mistake (and if you have any input or channel priorities, it almost definitely is), it sounds like the known corner case where myth's only allowing one move doesn't allow it to find a way to record everything

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I like your way of motivating people... Just like a P.E. coach... :)

[15:53:05]

iamlindoro:

Hey, if someone thinks perl doesn't suck, they can prove me wrong-- anything less is an admission I'm right ;)

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sphery:

agreed

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Nidhoegger:

true

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wagnerrp:

sphery: right now, the python bindings have intentionally limited support for the oldrecorded table

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jheizer:

sphery: user tuner priorities, but these 2 are the same, no channel priorities, all had show priorties

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jheizer:

*use tuner

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you can create new entries in oldrecorded, but you cannot alter existing entries

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wagnerrp:

all it lets you do is flip the 'duplicate' bit

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jheizer:

not trying to be difficult, just help out if I can

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wagnerrp:

although it looks like i might want to allow use of 'reactivate' as well

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that's exactly what he needs to do...

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sphery:

/and/ that's really all that it should allow, so good job on the design! :)3;2~

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sphery:

that must be a long beard on that smiley...

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wagnerrp:

what about reactivate?

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sphery:

reactivate creates a recording rule override

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sphery:

duplicate is all we ever flip in oldrecorded--IIRC

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Nidhoegger:

what could be the problem about not finding any analog channels?

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wagnerrp:

Nidhoegger: what card? what version of mythtv?

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Nidhoegger:

the version provided with mythbuntu (where can i see version?) and card is a saa7134 driver (medion card with phillips tuner)

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clever:

Nidhoegger: mythbackend --version

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythbuntu?

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Nidhoegger:

Version 24158 branch release-0.23-fixes

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Nidhoegger:

versiuion 10.4 of mythbuntu (downloaded and installed today)

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Nidhoegger:

i have set default input to television, channel list europe-west (im from germany)

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Nidhoegger:

a normal analog receiver finds channels...

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sphery:

didn't realize you were doing an analog channel scan... I don't know anything about those--fortunately, here in the US, we don't need to do them ever.

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wagnerrp:

http://clientsfromhell.com/post/334599370/

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wagnerrp:

bah... did it again

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GrahamIRC:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

oh, its a '.net'

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

funny

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dfletcher:

hmm sphery odd "Manages entries in the oldrecorded table. New entries can be created, but 'update()' and 'delete()' are disabled." seems someone has thought of this. no explanation why here

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Nidhoegger:

sphere i am scanning the frequencies

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: sounds like youre talking about the python bindings

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dfletcher:

yes

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Nidhoegger:

its normal here that you need to (normally manually on most receisvers) search the frequency table through until you find a good signal

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delmar:

Anyone in here know much about the diseqc support in Myth? I had a good mess around with it a couple of months ago and nothing worked right. thought I might revisit this today while I have some time off.

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: ok, so what do you want to do?

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Nidhoegger:

is there a way i can tune the frequences manually?

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dfletcher:

change oldrecorded.duplicate

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Nidhoegger:

and see if i get signla?

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wagnerrp:

have you read the next sentance?

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sphery:

dfletcher: there's no reason to update or delete them

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sphery:

you change duplicate

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dfletcher:

lol sorry I read that completely wrong. I thought it was talking about duplicating the object. /me dumb

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wagnerrp:

...

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sphery:

dfletcher: no, oldrecorded.duplicate specifies whether the record should be used for duplicate matching

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dfletcher:

sphery, did you not just tell me to use this field instead of rectype?

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** dfletcher reads back **

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

just change duplicate to 0

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dfletcher:

yeah gotcha now. sorry for confusion.

[16:14:58]

sphery:

on all matching records

[16:15:11]

wagnerrp:

or in this case, just run '.setDuplicate()'

[16:15:31]

sphery:

(i.e. if you have 2 with recstatus of rsRecorded that /are/ duplicates and you only change one to duplicate = 0, you still can't re-record the show)

[16:15:39]

dfletcher:

yeah not sure how I'll match yet. something coming from the delete event, haven't gotten that far yet

[16:15:47]

sphery:

and, yeah, listen to wagnerrp about the bindings part of it

[16:15:54]

sphery:

he knows that... I'm clueless on that part

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wagnerrp:

for searching for values in oldrecorded, use MythDB.searchOldRecorded()

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wagnerrp:

its linked to right there

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dfletcher:

yeah for x in searchOldRecorded(): x.setDuplicate().. got that part now. but I just need to figure out individual deleted records from event now

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wagnerrp:

well youll want to add some filtering to that searchOldRecorded call

[16:18:21]

wagnerrp:

as empty, it would return ALL entries in that table

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sphery:

wagnerrp: out of curiosity, do the bindings do the recording equality tests for you?

[16:18:34]

sphery:

or do you have to make assumptions

[16:18:37]

wagnerrp:

recording equality tests?

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sphery:

I don't know of a good way to do them

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dfletcher:

yep that's what I mean. so I need to get an individual one upon delete event

[16:18:53]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what youre talking about

[16:19:17]

dfletcher:

well so a delete event happens, right?

[16:19:25]

wagnerrp:

i mean sphery

[16:19:28]

dfletcher:

oh sry

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dfletcher:

%RECID% looks like the magic I need here :)

[16:19:50]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: on a delete event, it will return identification information for what it just deleted

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sphery:

yeah, basically checking things like, "If 2 episodes have the same programid, they are equal. If one episode has a programid and another doesn't, then compare based on title and subtitle and/or description... as specified in the recording rule." type stuff

[16:19:55]

dfletcher:

yep

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wagnerrp:

specifically %CHANID% and %STARTTIME% are the two you want

[16:20:05]

sphery:

recid isn't right

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dfletcher:

oh? not RECID?

[16:20:08]

dfletcher:

ok

[16:20:17]

sphery:

recid is which recording rule was used to record it

[16:20:25]

dfletcher:

oh ok cool

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wagnerrp:

and you can create an oldrecorded object with 'OldRecorded((chanid,starttime))

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sphery:

from that you'd have to get dup-matching info, then determine whether the 2 are the same based on the dup-matching specified

[16:20:48]

dfletcher:

oh nice, so no search query needed.sweet.

[16:21:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I can't really think of any good way to do that, but the approach you've given him will get the 99% solution

[16:21:30]

sphery:

so I'd say it's probably best to leave the bindings as they are

[16:21:41]

sphery:

oh, wait...

[16:21:44]

sphery:

nvm

[16:22:15]

sphery:

the bindings send a FORGET_OLD, don't they?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if so, then the backend does all the proper checks

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wagnerrp:

backend command for that?

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wagnerrp:

FORGET_RECORDING maybe?

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sphery:

yeah, FORGET_RECORDING...

[16:25:35]

sphery:

that's probably what setDuplicate() sends, right?

[16:25:42]

wagnerrp:

no, i just flip the bit

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sphery:

so I'm just confusing the whole issue here

[16:25:50]

wagnerrp:

didnt know i needed to send that command

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sphery:

ah, we should send FORGET_RECORDING on the programinfo so that the backend will do the proper dup-matching checks

[16:26:14]

wagnerrp:

i do tell it to reschedule after changing that value

[16:26:36]

wagnerrp:

but if its more proper to send a forgetrecording, and not touch the database

[16:26:42]

wagnerrp:

i can make the change

[16:27:13]

sphery:

right, but the backend looks at the programinfo, finds the matching record(s) in oldrecorded, then from them checks recordid to check the dup-matching method so that it will handle appopriately even for users that don't have programids

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sphery:

so it can go through all records matching each record matching the programinfo and flip duplicate on all of them appropriately

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sphery:

i.e. if we're using subtitle/description or description only or subtitle only or whatever for dup matching

[16:29:01]

wagnerrp:

reschedule_recordings does take a recordid as an argument

[16:29:17]

wagnerrp:

and while (for unknown reasons) im not providing it currently, i could do so easily

[16:29:33]

wagnerrp:

at which point i assume it would do the same thing as forget_recording?

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sphery:

yeah, but I'm trying to say (not explaining well, though--too tired) that there may be some records in oldrecorded whose duplicate need to be flipped in addition to the one you're finding when querying the DB

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wagnerrp:

oh, i see

[16:30:25]

sphery:

reschedule_recordings uses recordid to tell how much of a reschedule to do

[16:30:38]

sphery:

there's a nice explanation on the list... let me find the post

[16:30:52]

wagnerrp:

in that case, it would be better to run a forgetrecording

[16:31:13]

wagnerrp:

any idea just how much of a programinfo i need?

[16:31:29]

dfletcher:

heh nice guys so my little plug in will work 99% now and then magically start working 100% later? you guys are so awesome :P

[16:33:10]

dfletcher:

hrm I really need to get a test setup going. the only way I have to test this right now is my living room setup. not good :)

[16:33:49]

wagnerrp:

i could stand to clean up all this crap in the Program class

[16:33:54]

sphery:

dfletcher: oh, and the best place to put the script will be in the wiki

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts or possibly (based on comments you've made) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts

[16:35:24]

sphery:

wagnerrp: this is the explanation: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/261715#261715

[16:36:32]

sphery:

oh, and apologies for being all confusing here... I shouldn't try to think this hard when I'm tired. :)

[16:37:00]

iamlindoro:

http://yvettesbridalformal.com/index.htm hoohooohooooooo

[16:37:11]

iamlindoro:

Ladies and Gentlemen, my next theme!

[16:37:29]

wagnerrp:

wow

[16:38:54]

wagnerrp:

1.69M visits? are forums linking people to this place to mock it?

[16:38:56]

janneg:

my eyes bleed

[16:38:58]

mrand:

iamlindoro: first user request: the roaming square needs to be more neon.

[16:39:18]

iamlindoro:

heh

[16:39:20]

janneg:

and more <blink>

[16:40:58]

natanojl:

heh, they got a really good map ;) http://yvettesbridalformal.com/vettemap1.html

[16:41:03]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yes, various desgn sites/forums

[16:41:20]

iamlindoro:

er design

[16:41:30]

wagnerrp:

is this a joke?

[16:41:38]

mrand:

wagnerrp: you have to wonder.

[16:41:38]

dfletcher:

sphery, cool yep I'll put it in system event scripts. that page badly needs a python example :)

[16:41:47]

sphery:

agreed :)

[16:41:54]

sphery:

and an actual example

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Nidhoegger:

i got a strange problem: im trying to watch a dvd and tried to adjust the volume. it jumped to zero and i dont get it up anymore

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sphery:

dfletcher: it would also be /wonderful/ if you did a bit of a write up on how to set up a system event script--or even how to set up yours specifically

[16:42:26]

iamlindoro:

sounds like a medical problem

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iamlindoro:

you should see your doctor immediately

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dfletcher:

sphery, you mean like in the setup UI?

[16:43:14]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: at least its not such a serious issue as not being able to get it back down

[16:43:32]

sphery:

dfletcher: yeah, specifics of where to find it, what pages, etc...

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sphery:

so not really a lot to write up, but more than we currently have, IIRC

[16:43:58]

dfletcher:

yeah and maybe I'll show the magic arguments in action. gotcha

[16:44:19]

sphery:

dfletcher: The where-to could go on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events

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sphery:

but, yeah, on each script page, showing the magic arguments to use (and order and all) would be nice

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wagnerrp:

i dont know whats worse, the page or the code

[16:45:34]

sphery:

it is a very busy page

[16:45:40]

sphery:

I was afraid to look at the code

[16:45:55]

sphery:

and the block racing around the browser scared me away

[16:46:03]

wagnerrp:

its just a crapton of individual divs

[16:46:19]

wagnerrp:

the problem is that each individual div is a single line, regardless of the content

[16:46:27]

wagnerrp:

so you get these thousand character long lines

[16:46:33]

wagnerrp:

that you cant possibly follow

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sphery:

that's what tidy-html is for :)

[16:47:25]

sphery:

er, HTML Tidy

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dfletcher:

hah that program is magic :P

[16:47:42]

wagnerrp:

written in yahoo site builder by Sean Terrence

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

apparently hes a world famous master artist

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sphery:

I guess, "To each his own."

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sphery:

One man's art... and all

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iamlindoro:

Heh, WMC getting native HD-PVR support... just around 2 years after we had it ;)

[16:58:24]

stuartm:

now isn't the time to get complacent, we've got to keep ahead of the competition :p

[16:58:49]

** iamlindoro is churning out broken, hacky code as fast as he can **

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dfletcher:

hmm wagnerrp so when python scripts are triggered from inside myth – you just get a MythDB object? no imports needed or anything?

[16:59:27]

dfletcher:

s/object/class

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: mythtv does not speak python, nor does it trigger python scripts

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wagnerrp:

mythtv just issues a shell command

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wagnerrp:

its entirely up to that script/program to do whatever it needs to

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janneg:

iamlindoro: and they hadn't to reengineer the driver

[17:00:33]

iamlindoro:

janneg: heh, yeah

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dfletcher:

ok wagnerrp so how do I get ahold of these classes – where do I find your bindings?

[17:00:59]

sphery:

Ah, wonderful... Just what my government should be spending my tax money on: keeping Flash alive. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-n . . . 04-u4jd.html

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wagnerrp:

'import MythTV'

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wagnerrp:

or 'from MythTV import SomeSubClass_or_SubFunction

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dfletcher:

that's not in the wiki BTW :P

[17:01:43]

wagnerrp:

sure its not

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iamlindoro:

dfletcher: Because (TTBOMK) that's basic python syntax

[17:01:52]

wagnerrp:

thats common python knowledge

[17:01:57]

dfletcher:

right but I need to know the module name

[17:02:00]

wagnerrp:

i have to draw the line somewhere

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sphery:

It's all Python to me.

[17:02:02]

iamlindoro:

prerequisites for using python bindings: some knowledge of python

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dfletcher:

act like I'm dumb if you want but that page does not have the module name on it :P

[17:02:50]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

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janneg:

and it's less than two years, iirc I got the board two years and two weeks ago

[17:03:52]

wagnerrp:

better?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is that 'clientsfromhell' where you got the yvettesbridalformal link?

[17:11:36]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: That's when I went back to it, but I had seen it on another forum a week or two ago-- just didn't take the time to read closely until today

[17:13:36]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Had previously seen it here: http://sonofbyte.com/2010/03/the-best-worst-web-designs/

[17:13:46]

wagnerrp:

would you really want to work for someone who cant do basic math? http://clientsfromhell.net/post/466270934

[17:16:57]

stuartm:

heh, yet another reason to hate plugins/flash, seems if you take focus away from a fullscreen flash plugin it reverts to it's original size, I can't fullscreen iplayer on one monitor whilst doing something else on another

[17:17:19]

stuartm:

but for MNV that means the idea I had for a focus stealing hack is dead in the water

[17:17:27]

wagnerrp:

http://clientsfromhell.net/post/434679702

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: Assume it's the same if you fullscreen something in firefox/opera etc. and move to the other screen?

[17:18:41]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: at least on windows, it behaves the same way

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iamlindoro:

boo!

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ddrj:

hi all, running htpc to my lcd tv, my displays set @ 60hz for the tv. what i'm wondering is if i should put it lower to 24hz or something? because the movies and stuff i'm playing on there are 24hz

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wagnerrp:

boo flash? or boo me using windows?

[17:21:06]

wagnerrp:

ddrj: do you watch any shows on FOX or ABC?

[17:21:26]

ddrj:

nope, but i do play some 720p movies on the htpc tho

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wagnerrp:

dare i ask where these 720p movies from?

[17:22:19]

ddrj:

depends if u think it will help...

[17:22:31]

wagnerrp:

no, it wont

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wagnerrp:

anyway, ABC and FOX both broadcast in 720p

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iamlindoro:

setting to a 24 Hz refresh rate (assuming your TV was even capable of it) would only serve to break most content, not improve it

[17:22:55]

stuartm:

but we'd get to use the ban stick!

[17:23:14]

wagnerrp:

however their primetime stuff is all p24 content broadcast at p60

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ddrj:

so just leave it at 60hz then

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iamlindoro:

since it's extraordinarily likely the little of your content is actually 24p

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ddrj:

ahh

[17:23:36]

iamlindoro:

now, a common multiplier of 24, 30, and 60... much smarter

[17:23:42]

ddrj:

yeah i was just a bit scared, tv feels a bit warm to touch

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wagnerrp:

so for 2 frames (AB) of p24 content, you get 5 frames (AAABB) of p60

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iamlindoro:

Your refresh rate is not warming your TV

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stuartm:

and many TVs would implode (nah, just not a good idea to force a rate that it can't handle)

[17:24:14]

iamlindoro:

and 60 is a low refresh rate, not a high one

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ddrj:

ahhhhhhh

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wagnerrp:

thats exactly the same thing your video card is doing when you playback 24p content

[17:25:03]

wagnerrp:

so if you dont notice anything odd when watching those channels, you wont notice anything different when playing at native 24fps

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stuartm:

LCDs aren't like CRTs, you can't abuse them to do what they aren't designed to do

[17:25:31]

ddrj:

alright i'll leave it at 60hz then, i just didn't want to brick my tv

[17:31:15]

wagnerrp:

ooh, another CSI comment... http://clientsfromhell.net/post/304951887

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i think you would appreciate this one... http://clientsfromhell.net/post/276073188

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I thought "unblur the background" was more topical :)

[17:35:47]

wagnerrp:

you know... i didnt even think about that

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dan__t:

Hi.

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dan__t:

So reading this article, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Radeon_HDMI#Gnome_HDMI_Sound , the author talks about using an ATI Radeon 4650. That card only has DVI out. Does this article imply that the card itself has a "newer" DVI output that can carry sound, and would that sound output manifest itself properly with the use of a DVI -> HDMI cable?

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dan__t:

I know "DVI" doesn't generally carry sound, but I've been reading that newer cards, along with newer drivers, may.

[18:18:38]

dan__t:

Great article, just didn't explain these bits :)

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stuartm:

dan__t: I assume it means that there are also variations of that card with an HDMI port

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AndyCap:

dan__t: doesn't that depend om who's Radeon 4650 card one is using?

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AndyCap:

for instance http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . BTkwCjCECjCE

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AndyCap:

s/who's/whose/

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dan__t:

I guess that would explain it pretty well huh.

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stuartm:

dan__t: I wouldn't restrict yourself to looking at just one card/chipset, unless that's what you already happen to have, there are lots of cards supporting audio over hdmi (onboard vs the hacky passthrough from soundcard)

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dan__t:

Oh, ok.

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stuartm:

well lots might be stretching it, but not by much

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dan__t:

I've never had much luck with ATI under Linux, and it looks like NVidia is getting out of the game completely, so I'm basing my searches on documentation that proved that a procedure worked.

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dan__t:

Sure, I understand.

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AndyCap:

Nvidia getting out of what game?

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stuartm:

the last three motherboards I owned (1xATI,2xNvidia) all had IGPs supporting audio over hdmi

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** AndyCap G45 board also does HDMI audio **

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stuartm:

and all three were well supported under linux fwiw

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dan__t:

I just re-read the story I read a few weeks ago to link you, and saw a better explanation. They're stopping development of their FOSS driver support, what little they were giving.

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dan__t:

So, sorry.

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AndyCap:

dan__t: that driver was crap so nothing to cry over

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dan__t:

Yes, it was.

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AndyCap:

not to mention obfuscated

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dan__t:

Fact.

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stuartm:

Nvidia gives two figures to open source shocker!

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AndyCap:

stuartm: one and zero? :P

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dan__t:

hahaha.

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** stuartm mutters something about typos **

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AndyCap:

that said I've been able to rely on nvidia drivers being fairly timely for a long time now.

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dan__t:

Good.

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AndyCap:

unlike say Intel and ATI open source drivers which seems to be in a constant state of a rewrite

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AndyCap:

:/

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stuartm:

yeah, so long as you don't mind closed source drivers, Nvidia is a safe bet

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AndyCap:

though intel's been good to me for a year

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dan__t:

There's a sour taste in my mouth from trying to get this Quadro NVS 160M in my laptop working.

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AndyCap:

ah, the Nerfed Visual System

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dan__t:

I don't mind them. I appreciate them, actually. They often work.

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AndyCap:

Nvidia's drivers often work. I haven't had the same experience with ATI

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dan__t:

Not to imply FOSS drivers WOULDN'T. Unfortunately most of my experience with drivers are at the expense of my time having been stuck with a laptop that had these cards.

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AndyCap:

or *cough* matrox

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AndyCap:

and there's the additional point of VDPAU acceleration for MythTV

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stuartm:

I like ATI, but recognise that things aren't quite as straightforward with their linux support – it exists, they actually cooperate with OSS driver development, but their proprietary driver only supports the most recent cards

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dan__t:

So how about a recommendation for a decent card that does HDMI out? I hate to poll, but being new to this, it would sure help.

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dan__t:

Yep.

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dan__t:

I had an old HP laptop that reaffirmed that.

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AndyCap:

stuartm: but usually not the latest X. :P

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stuartm:

the OSS driver works great for 2D and XVideo, but 3D/OpenGL wasn't so good last I tried

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AndyCap:

BTW: anyone actually try this? "S3 Graphics added support for VDPAU to the Linux drivers of its Chrome 400 video cards"

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dan__t:

Trying to find a decent one that I can get locally. Like, today.

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AndyCap:

Hehe, start with a list of what cards you can get locally today?

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AndyCap:

dan__t: if you are interested in VDPAU reading this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Supported_Cards is probably a good idea

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dan__t:

Ah very cool, I did not know what VDPAU is/was

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dan__t:

Thank you.

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dan__t:

Awesome.

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markl_:

vdpau is the coolest thing ever

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markl_:

dan__t: nvidia 220 is probably the best choice that you can find at a store

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markl_:

maybe you can even get a fanless one

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, is there facilities anywhere to help with with the mysql table I need to make? or I'm on my own there? it would be handy to use the myth database and connection – less user config that way – but I can create an entire separate db if that's the only way. I guess I can use the craptastic built-in python database facilities ;)

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dfletcher:

it doesn't *necessarily* have to be a mysql table, but that would be nice

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: the 'MythDB().cursor()' method provides a standard cursor for manual access to the database

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wagnerrp:

you would do cursor.execute('some SQL'), and then retrieve the responded lines through cursor.fetchone() or cursor.fetchmany()

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you would use manual commands to produce your own table

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dfletcher:

aha very good thank you. that only leaves the initial creation issue

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dfletcher:

aha

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dfletcher:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

and then subsequently access it by creating a DBDataWrite subclass

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dfletcher:

like supply a .sql file for users though? weak

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wagnerrp:

no, you can just put all the sql you need to create the table directly into the code

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dfletcher:

the user is always going to have create perms though?

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dfletcher:

that's what I'm wondering about

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wagnerrp:

if the user has set up mythtv as recommended

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dfletcher:

if so, that's perfect

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dfletcher:

aha cool

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wagnerrp:

if they have not set up mysql access as recommended, theres going to be other stuff breaking all over mythtv anyway

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dfletcher:

then my script can just have an --install switch :)

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dfletcher:

perfection

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: if you really want to do it cleanly, use a schema version setting like mythtv and various plugins do

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wagnerrp:

they check that value, and if it doesnt exist, or is an old version, the create/update the necessary tables

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dfletcher:

is there a table for those?

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wagnerrp:

settings

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dfletcher:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

or you can use the canned access in the bindings

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dfletcher:

oh heh right I keep forgetting how high level these bindings are :)

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wagnerrp:

for instance the base schema would be MythDB.settings.NULL.DBSchemaVer

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dfletcher:

nice

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wagnerrp:

and that would be presented to the user as a class attribute that could be read from or written to

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wagnerrp:

it will return None if there is no value set

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wagnerrp:

NULL is the 'no backend' value

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wagnerrp:

if you wanted a backend specific value, you would use the backend hostname there

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wagnerrp:

and if the value or hostname contains dots, you can access it as a dictionary instead

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wagnerrp:

MythDB.settings['NULL']['DBSchemaVer']

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dfletcher:

yeah was just wondering how I would do that dynamic :)

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wagnerrp:

that was not a small bit of code to get that all working

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dfletcher:

ah I see em SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value like '%Schema%' :)

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dfletcher:

seems they all use NULL host

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dfletcher:

makes sense if I don't actually care about backends

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wagnerrp:

schema settings will all be global (and thus use NULL)

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dfletcher:

right

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dfletcher:

heh ok so now it's time to deal with a log, else a schema error is going to go nowhere :)

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wagnerrp:

logging is generally handled by the MythLog class

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wagnerrp:

its set up to behave similarly to the VERBOSE function in the normal code

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wagnerrp:

you supply it with a list of filters you want to pass to the screen (or file)

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dfletcher:

ah found it, cool thanks. man you've thought of everything!

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wagnerrp:

then you log against one or more of those areas

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wagnerrp:

if you log to an area that passes the filter, it goes through the log

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dfletcher:

heh and there's even a code for that error

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wagnerrp:

when youre setting up a DBDataWrite class for easy access to that table, you can define that you want it to check against a specific schema name and value

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jya:

iamlindoro: gosh you like to denigrate other's people work but your own ... "(HD audio codec) "those have been supported in myth for a year or so" ; and a very short and inexact memory too ...

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iamlindoro:

jya, TrueHD, E-AC3, and the DTS core of DTS-HD MA have been playable in myth for two ffmpeg revisions-- what new codec support does your branch add? If I was inaccurate I'd like to correct myself

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iamlindoro:

two ffmpeg syncs, that is

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iamlindoro:

nobody denigrated your work

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jya:

it wasn't... until the hack 32 bits -> 16 bits was put in in avformatdecoder

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iamlindoro:

I have been playing those tracks in all my rips for over a year

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iamlindoro:

Some tracks had some issues during one of those two ffmpeg syncs, but by no means all, nor even most

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iamlindoro:

before the MLP and TrueHD codecs were split, all TrueHD played fine, albeit in stereo-- E-AC3 has always worked, and the DTS core of DTS-HD has played since January or so of 2009

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, the HD audio codec support has been in various states of functional for over a year

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iamlindoro:

While I am thankful and respectful of your work, it does not add HD audio support, it improves it

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jya:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22608/

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jya:

and no mythmusic either... anyway... cant' be bothered...

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iamlindoro:

As I mentioned a moment ago, all HD audio codecs worked before that

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iamlindoro:

some had issues, and some of your work improved them, and I look forward to that work being completed

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dan__t:

Maybe I shoudl get with the times and get a machine with PCIE

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dmfrey:

Hey everyone

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dfletcher:

<wagnerrp> you would do cursor.execute('some SQL') <-- cursor seems to be a function?

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dfletcher:

I get 'function' object has no attribute 'execute' on that

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wagnerrp:

you generate a cursor from MythDB.cursor()

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dfletcher:

ah

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dfletcher:

ok

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dfletcher:

thanks wagnerrp create table working :)

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, HAH I wish all databasing was as easy as: db.settings.NULL.RerecordLaterDBSchemaVer = schema_version ... that's super cool

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wagnerrp:

just that one table

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dfletcher:

I was wondering if it would actually write, and of course it does :)

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dfletcher:

I know, it's still neat

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt be much good if it didnt write

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dfletcher:

hehe well maybe there was a flush() or something who knows

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wagnerrp:

ah, thats what i wanted to do

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dfletcher:

it's just a little shocking having that much action happening on assignment :P

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wagnerrp:

rework the DBDataRef and DBDataCRef classes

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wagnerrp:

stuff for markup (seek data, comm flagging), cast, genres, etc...

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wagnerrp:

that whole thing is very ugly

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K6HX:

Howdy all.

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dfletcher:

hrm wagnerrp ok this is odd. reading it back always returns None, even though I see a value being inserted. each time I set it, it inserts a new row into settings, I would have expected it to update.

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dfletcher:

and I just did a find in my code – it's not a typo

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dfletcher:

print 'DB SETTINGS: ' + repr(db.settings.NULL.RerecordLaterDBSchemaVer) == None, however actually going to mysql and selecting I see it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, could be a bug

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wagnerrp:

been months since i looked at that code, i ended up rewriting it for 0.24

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dfletcher:

dang

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dfletcher:

well I can use cursor() for now :P

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wagnerrp:

or i can fix it, and commit

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dan__t:

Ok. Building a myth frontend tonight out of a Zotac IONITX-G-E

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dfletcher:

heh well I'm still testing against my live 0.23 system. being lazy about setting up a dev system :P

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wagnerrp:

it should be working

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wagnerrp:

wait, youre setting it to None?

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dfletcher:

no I always get None back

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dfletcher:

but can actually see database entry in mysql

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dfletcher:

so my code calls the install() again (I made it automatic when the schema == None)

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dfletcher:

and when that happens, it actually inserts another row into settings! :o

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wagnerrp:

thats just odd

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, code: http://pastebin.com/q1xSNfh7

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dfletcher:

so that if statement under the print statement *always* true

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to do log.log

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wagnerrp:

the MythLog class is callable

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wagnerrp:

so the instance can be used like a function

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dfletcher:

additionally, I get a message about the table existing already even though I use IF NOT EXISTS, so that's weird too

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dfletcher:

and I can clearly see the new table / describe it

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dfletcher:

so bizarre

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wagnerrp:

if you want to turn on database logging, do 'MythLog._setlevel('database')'

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wagnerrp:

should give you some idea of whats going on

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if their NULL is not my NULL

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wagnerrp:

thats got to be what is going on

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats it

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dfletcher:

I do see a LIKE query looking for schema versions

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dfletcher:

btw whose NULL is different from yours? :P

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wagnerrp:

python None = MySQL NULL

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wagnerrp:

except im feeding it python 'NULL', which is MySQL 'NULL'

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dfletcher:

I'm just going to make a quick util func to do the query by hand for now I suppose

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dfletcher:

aha

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dfletcher:

hrm python has a NULL?

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** dfletcher surprised **

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wagnerrp:

string, versus a special empty value

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dfletcher:

so can I fix it by passing something besides NONE there? or just make my own temporary read/write schema version util funcs?

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dfletcher:

s/NONE/NULL

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dfletcher:

maybe access via dictionary like you said earlier? would that work?

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** dfletcher tries by dict **

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ki7rw:

how does one use mythtv-plugin-flix? is this a browser plugin?

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dfletcher:

nope, same. and if I try to pass NULL without quotes it doesn't exist

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wagnerrp:

ki7rw: it doesnt exist

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ki7rw:

wagnerrp: what?

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wagnerrp:

mythflix, it doesnt exist

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wagnerrp:

it has been removed

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ki7rw:

i just installed the rpm package

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wagnerrp:

all it ever did was allow you to control your netflix mail queue

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ki7rw:

ok

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wagnerrp:

it didnt do netflix streaming

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ki7rw:

i thought it streamed netflix

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24420

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wagnerrp:

ki7rw: not going to happen on linux

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ki7rw:

ok – too bad

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wagnerrp:

the pc-based client requires silverlight, and specifically the silverlight DRM package

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, ahhhhh ty :D

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wagnerrp:

something that cannot be duplicated in moonlight

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ki7rw:

i guess we have to keep paying M$

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dfletcher:

patching

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wagnerrp:

ki7rw: or just stick to the mail order dvds

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ki7rw:

well, i'm in a hotel tonight that lost it's cable feed

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ki7rw:

no dvd's with me

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ki7rw:

got windows guest so i guess i'll have to make do with that

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iamlindoro:

hulu works

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iamlindoro:

And free :)

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wagnerrp:

unlikely you have sufficient bandwidth in your hotel to manage streaming

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wagnerrp:

in my experience, hotel broadband is pretty pathetic

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ki7rw:

yeah, it's not the best video streaming performance but it's something

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ki7rw:

and yet cable tries to make fun of sat when they have a 6 hour outage

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, YAY. thanks again :)

[20:52:19]

wagnerrp:

'mythwelcome "start frontend" button ugly'???

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wagnerrp:

what kind of ticket is that?

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iamlindoro:

and invalid kind

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iamlindoro:

er an

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iamlindoro:

We've been treading water in the ~460 ticket range for a few weeks, would be nice to have another BSP and get it under 400

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pigeon:

hi, has anyone seen an issue with mythweb where deleting recordings is not working?

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wagnerrp:

awww

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wagnerrp:

tonights recordings are going to be covered by election primaries

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iamlindoro:

yuck!

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iamlindoro:

It'll be like being sphery in Hurricane season :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they have to inform me that 0.0% of precincts are reporting in

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wagnerrp:

and you know what the ABSOLUTE WORST PART is?

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wagnerrp:

i live in a tri-state area

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wagnerrp:

and all three states do it on a different date

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wagnerrp:

im going to have three days of this garbage

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

Yeah, now that's what I'm talking about: Re: [mythtv-users] How to ensure STB is on: "This is against the 6200ch.c posted on the wiki."

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sphery:

users already using the scripts on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

apparently there was a recent 'International Free Comic Day'

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wagnerrp:

during which some shoplifter tried to make off with a $160 copy of xmen

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wagnerrp:

and was promptly swarmed and beat down by some 40 costumed super heroes

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wagnerrp:

seriously, stop reporting the primaries

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wagnerrp:

no-one-cares until its at least a good 10–20% in

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autojack:

I'm looking at doing some hardware upgrades to my Myth system. is an onboard GeForce 8200 chip "good enough?"

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wagnerrp:

good enough for what?

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autojack:

yeah I just realized I need to qualify that.

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autojack:

the only thing I have problems with right now is decoding HD video files.

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autojack:

the video lags.

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wagnerrp:

decoding is performed in dedicated silicon

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wagnerrp:

it does just as well on any VDPAU supported hardware

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autojack:

I have no idea what VDPAU is.

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wagnerrp:

(except for xvid/divx/mpeg4 which only works on the GT2 line)

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU is nvidia's hardware video decoder

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autojack:

OK.

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wagnerrp:

i assumed thats what you were talking about

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wagnerrp:

as besides that, your video card has (almost) no bearing on decoding and playback

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autojack:

OK.

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wagnerrp:

basically, anything that supports Xv should work fine with software decoding

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wagnerrp:

8200 included

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autojack:

right now I have an xvid file at 720 x 404 res that doesn't play without frame lag.

[21:35:33]

autojack:

that seems to be a common problem for me. slightly lower res xvid files play back fine.

[21:35:38]

wagnerrp:

404?

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wagnerrp:

that shouldnt be allowed

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autojack:

hmm

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autojack:

well that's what file() tells me it is.

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autojack:

not sure how accurate that is.

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wagnerrp:

i thought most mpeg-based codecs require resolutions in multiples of 16

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autojack:

I dunno.

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autojack:

I'm not sure I'm using Xv actually.

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wagnerrp:

i hope youre at least using the nvidia drivers?

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wagnerrp:

the proprietary ones, not the ones that come with xorg

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autojack:

yes, I am.

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autojack:

and now I see that myth is using mplayer -vo xv when it plays.

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autojack:

so it looks like I am using Xv.

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt be

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autojack:

oh?

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autojack:

now I'm confused.

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wagnerrp:

no, you should be using the 'Internal' player

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autojack:

oh

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autojack:

I should clarify, this is for mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo formerly used mplayer before the internal player supported many formats

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wagnerrp:

now, the internal player is preferred

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autojack:

ohh. I upgraded recently. I wonder if it kept that old setting.

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autojack:

OK, let me check my settings, maybe I need to change that.

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autojack:

well, with the internal player it still lags.

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autojack:

other than that all I can say is the system is a GeForce FX 5500 and a Celeron 2.13 ghz proc.

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autojack:

not exactly blazing fast. it's a Celeron D.

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autojack:

4+ years old.

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wagnerrp:

but standard def xvid is not difficult to handle

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autojack:

yeah

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autojack:

that 702x404 is SD?

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autojack:

720x404 rather

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to HD, which is 1280x720 at the low end

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autojack:

ahh, ok. the fact that the file includes HDTV in the name is misleading.

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wagnerrp:

one of 'those' files eh?

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autojack:

indeed.

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autojack:

admittedly it's the same file size as others that play fine

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autojack:

whereas I know that truly HD encoding tends to be a lot bigger.

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autojack:

so I dunno. maybe the issue in this case is just the weird frame size.

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wagnerrp:

you will get no help in this channel, or on the official mailing list, with playing back those files

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autojack:

right.

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autojack:

it's interesting, mplayer's output noted that it was 1.78:1 and would be prescaled.

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dfletcher:

nice! just about done http://pastebin.com/x1jfzWPy just needs a help func for iterating through and pretty printing the options :) thank you again wagnerrp for all your help. not bad for a few hours work :)

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: whats with the dbhost,dbname,dbuser,dbpass?

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autojack:

dfletcher: what's it do?

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dfletcher:

you can specify them on the command line, or not

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dfletcher:

autojack, it pushes "delete and rerecord" back by some amount of time – only rerecord after 3 months for exmample

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autojack:

ohh, nice.

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: you know the bindings will automatically pull all that stuff out of the config files in your home directory, right?

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, sure but heh I was already adding options e.g. for timeout. was only a few more lines of code over that so I figured what the hey

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dfletcher:

most people wouldn't specify it

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dfletcher:

I haven't specified it yet, and yeah it's picking up my ~/.mythtv/settings.xml

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dfletcher:

heh I could add a log level arg too, I made it pretty easy to add args in that ARGT array :)

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: the jobqueue and system events both allow you to drop the verbosity level

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wagnerrp:

and the MythLog class can read in that verbosity string directly

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dfletcher:

oh alright so it's just going to pick up system settings if I do nothing then? alright, sweet :P

[22:22:05]

dfletcher:

heh actually I already added it :P just a single entry in ARGT all that was needed

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dfletcher:

might be handy — for me for debugging this thing. I can drop the level here but not systemwide

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wagnerrp:

you went though the effort of writing your own argv parser

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dfletcher:

yeah?

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dfletcher:

I like my way :P

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wagnerrp:

you might want to see http://docs.python.org/library/optparse.html and http://docs.python.org/library/getopt.html

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dfletcher:

heh that would make the help function simpler

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dfletcher:

yeah I may convert it to this

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dfletcher:

mine's a bit like popt :P

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dfletcher:

oh hrm one of my --args actually takes 2 parameters I wonder if optparse can do that

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dfletcher:

bah I suppose I should redo it so they all only take one or zero user values

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dfletcher:

oh wait no I've got it. it'll be the default action. so if you do ./RerecordLater.py [chanid] [starttime] it just does that

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klk:

how can i get audio working in both mythfrontend and music on fedora 12?

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klk:

just simple analog stereo

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[R]:

myth is gonna disable pulse and feodra uses pulse by default

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klk:

so i created a "nopulse" device in /etc/asound.conf

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wagnerrp:

so any of your applications which use pulse may no longer function while mythfrontend is running

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klk:

its a dedicated FE/BE so I don't cre about other apps

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[R]:

you just said you want music... thats "other apps"

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klk:

ah.

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klk:

but it is mythmusic

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[R]:

then thats not "both mythfrontend and music".... thats mythfrtontend

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wagnerrp:

so then you just want audio in mythfrontend

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, I stayed up way too late last night. Should get to bed at a reasonable time tonight.

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klk:

it works fine when i watch a recording

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klk:

but when i try to listen to music I get: AudioOutput Error: Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)

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sphery:

klk: let me guess, your nopulse device is hw0,1 or something similar?

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sphery:

you need to use the plug plugin

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klk:

sphery: it is type hw card 0, is that hw0

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sphery:

klk: could just stick http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . .2C_Properly in there and use mixed-analog as the device

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sphery:

klk: yeah, that's hw0,0

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sphery:

Yours (like most) is a software sound card so all format/rate/sample conversion has to be done by the software. When you send audio data directly to the hardware, if it's not the right format/rate/samples, it will fail. Here it's failing on rate.

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klk:

sphery: im looking through that wiki page, i'll give it a shot

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klk:

thanks

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sphery:

Fortunately, Intel's 3rd try at creating an audio standard gets it right. So, after the annoying, but usable AC'97 was followed by the garbage Intel HDA--which both did all the sound processing in the CPU (to sell bigger/faster CPUs from Intel)--the next gen one goes to the 1992-style pre-"standard" hardware sound card design.

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sphery:

i.e. like a Creative Sound Blaster of yore

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** wagnerrp still uses multiple creative cards **

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klk:

yeah it's an AC'97 of some sort

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sphery:

better than HDA :)

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wagnerrp:

'forget worst case scenario, theres only one case scenario'....

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wagnerrp:

you think the writers put that in there, or was that a foul up by LLCoolJ?

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klk:

sphery: that fixed my problem. thanks for the help

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Beirdo:

mmm, beer

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sphery:

klk: enjoy

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dfletcher:

sweet wagnerrp! optparse knocked about 100 lines of code off that :) http://pastebin.com/DeF0RDja

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dfletcher:

plus now it has a lovely help

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** dfletcher will always use optparse for python command line parsing. it's nice **

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dfletcher:

oops, still some leftover garbage in that one. even cleaner, 231 lines :) http://pastebin.com/u5beg3VT

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