Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, May 5th, 2010, 00:02 AST

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: no sense re-inventing the wheel

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dfletcher:

well besides that the whole thing got more legible too, always nice

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** dfletcher thinking about trying it on live install since tests went so well **

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dfletcher:

heh better not forget to patch the python bindings on FE though :)

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** dfletcher does it now so doesn't forget **

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dfletcher:

heh well cool, it's up, events installed. nothing has exploded yet :P I'll set the timeout to expire tomorrow and we'll see if this is working. then I'll post it up to wiki once I'm sure :)

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wagnerrp:

check the 'script info' template, you can find it on other script pages

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dfletcher:

neat

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wagnerrp:

that wont visibly do anything, but it will allow it to be picked up by the 'mythwikiscripts' program

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dfletcher:

yah I see it at the top of mythlink.pl

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dfletcher__:

heh nice just made myself an RGB LED cable (with the resistors taped up inside it) for an indicator. this is going to be sweet :)

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dfletcher__:

I'll have to pwm to dim it or something, dang this is bright. /me feels slightly queazy from looking at it

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dfletcher__:

lol wagnerrp finally Laura just deleted something. the event fired. my script ran. my recordlater table updated. then mythfrontend died spectacularly :)

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** dfletcher__ wonders why it crashed **

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be able to do anything to crash the frontend

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wagnerrp:

if bad output from the script caused it to die, thats a bug in the system event handler

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dfletcher__:

is it reading what comes off stdout?

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dfletcher__:

that's weird

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dfletcher__:

what would it get from there?

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wagnerrp:

only to dump that to the logs

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dfletcher__:

oh

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dfletcher__:

well heh I'm not actually printing anything now – anything coming out of there is either from the python bindings or if you do --help. nothing else should cause stdout

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dfletcher__:

maybe I can get python to shutup :)

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wagnerrp:

the standard loglevel will print when it reads the config.xml

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dfletcher__:

yeah I noticed

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wagnerrp:

you can either squelch that 'MythLog._setlevel('none')'

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wagnerrp:

or redirect stdout to /dev/null

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dfletcher__:

heh I have a switch for the loglevel :)

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dfletcher__:

but I guess it should go in the code really

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wagnerrp:

i think thats 'sys.stdout = open('/dev/null')'

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wagnerrp:

or something like that

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wagnerrp:

been a while since ive used it

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dfletcher__:

hrm does this stop my app from logging though? bit weak. oh well I'll remove it eventually

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dfletcher__:

heh wagnerrp well that just made it crash quietly ;) I really don't think it's my app – to test this theory I've put /bin/true into the delete event box. I'll test that in a bit when the recorder's not busy and I can grab some junk

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** justinh wonders if wordpress have an irc channel **

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justinh:

aha

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dfletcher__:

heh I should just put this event on the backend I guess. it doesn't actually need to be FE

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dfletcher__:

if it crashes the backend it should just respawn :P

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justinh:

if it crashes the backend you should maybe look into why

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Dassu:

some things are meant to lef for the god!

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dfletcher__:

well certainly. I should probably look into why it's crashing the frontend as well. but I am a bit of a newbie here :P

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Dassu:

*to be left

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dfletcher__:

but as wagnerrp said earlier, I should not be able to crash anything by writing scripts and firing them from the event triggers

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dfletcher__:

so it's a bit beyond the scope of what I'm doing at the moment :)

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edomeda:

hey guys, someone forgot to wife-proof mythfront, and my wife broke the video browser, she said by changing view types. But anyway, it crashes every time you try to enter "video browser" with this error: http://pastebin.com/VkyZ8DDg

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edomeda:

anyone know how to fix/reset the mode? Can't even get into the videos section now.

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sphery:

edomeda: the quickest solution is to use Edit Keys to map a key to one of the MythVideo (specific-screen) jump points (like "The MythVideo video manager" or "The MythVideo video browser", then hit that key, then change the view to the one you want saved.

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gbee:

backtrace would be nice

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sphery:

true...

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sphery:

though since he left before I told him how to fix it, I doubt we'll get it.

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tassbur:

hi, i've got mythbuntu 10.04 with auto-builds, with one htpc (backend/frontend) on the same machine, and i have another frontend in my lan, using that backend.

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tassbur:

the problem is that in the frontend locally to the backend, i can't see a mux, but with the remote frontend i can see a mux without problem

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tassbur:

what can i do?

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tassbur:

any idea?

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wsuetholz:

Hello, I just sent an email to the mythtv-users list about my troubles with lockups.. Please all you wizards out there, help me out..

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dewman:

wsuetholz, all the wizards are asleep...... =P

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skimj1:

I'm getting a mythweb error. No such file: modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php Should that file be present?

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skimj1:

hmmm looks like the file is in modules/_shared/tmpl/default/

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drindt:

hello there, iam searching for a lircrc file which contain all possible key what i can configure, the example lircrc in my fedora distribution has not all keys included, so sorry for my question please.

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wagnerrp:

whats with this 'Robert Siebert' guy on the mailing list?

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sphery:

drindt: In MythTV, lirc sends a string that can be interpreted into a Qt KeySequence. Therefore, you simply send "keys" like A, B, C, D, ... or Alt+Esc or Ctrl+P or Meta+V. Configure what the keys do in Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys.

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sphery:

i.e. lirc and key handling is identical--you are in full control and the key sequence is simply an intermediate, logical identifier used to trigger whatever action is defined for that key sequence in the current context.

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sphery:

as far as what buttons you have available on your remote, those are defined in /etc/lircd.conf

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vbman2:

hey guys mythtv wont use my card

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vbman2:

but yet cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works fine

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sphery:

please explain, "wont use my card"?

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vbman2:

ok

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vbman2:

i have my card setup correctly

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vbman2:

i will launch mythtb

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vbman2:

mythtv it'l say please wait

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vbman2:

go back to the menu

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vbman2:

...

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wagnerrp:

wait, you are running the command 'mythtv'?

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vbman2:

im launching mythtv by the icon

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iamlindoro:

Given the behavior, I'll bet you ten million dollars you do *not* have your card set up correctly

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sphery:

right, look at the mythbackend log file

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sphery:

it should say what's wrong

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sphery:

or feel free to post the log file (at least the last 100 lines or so after trying to start LiveTV) to http://www.pastebin.com/

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vbman2:

where is the log sphery?

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** iamlindoro would prefer to see the whole backend log from backend startup **

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vbman2:

ok

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vbman2:

where is the log

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vbman2:

and ill be happy to show

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sphery:

/var/log/mythbackend.log or similar?

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sphery:

assuming you're using mythbuntu, it should be something like that

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sphery:

else, it's "wherever your distro put it"

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** sphery nevers lets a non-root process write to /var/log **

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johnnyj:

just – because?

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sphery:

yep :)

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johnnyj:

nah come on – tell us some war story

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sphery:

don't want some rogue non-root process filling up /var (or / or wherever /var/log lives)

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johnnyj:

filling up /var is indeed bad

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clever:

i send my myth logs to $HOME for mythtv

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clever:

no need to setup any special perms

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clever:

it should always have +w to that

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drindt:

sphery: yes thank you, its complicated to map the buttons right...

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sphery:

clever: exactly... users have homes and should use them

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sphery:

clever: though I use $HOME/log/

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clever:

ive got $HOME/$HOSTNAME.be.log and similar

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clever:

the main exception to users using home would be massive things like the recording dir's

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sphery:

drindt: yeah, the extreme configurability results in extremely hard to find the perfect setup

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drindt:

sphery: rrrright :)

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sphery:

drindt: my suggestion is to take a first stab and just modify the LIRC config as you go--you'll never know better what keys you need than after you've been using MythTV for a while and find a need for some key

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sphery:

I've been using MythTV since Feb 2004--the entire time using the exact same remote hardware--and I'm still remapping my LIRC config

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drindt:

sphery: yes, most common keys are working but some are confusing me right now, i should become more warm with mythtv

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clever:

my only receiver is on the capture card, in a closet

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clever:

and it hasnt worked for months

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clever:

i just use a keyboard or joystick for all of my control

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clever:

sometimes synergy and a laptop

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sphery:

so the one good thing that may come out of Android is that it may force MS to finally say which of its patents it believes GNU/Linux violates

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drindt:

clever: install an ipad on your closet :D

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drindt:

s/on/in

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clever:

drindt: it might have more cpu power then my current master be....

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dfletcher__:

wagnerrp, aha! just putting /bin/false into the delete event box crashes the FE. it's not your code or mine :)

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sphery:

dfletcher__: but /bin/true works?

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dfletcher__:

sphery, heh doubtul =)

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dfletcher__:

seems literally anything in that box crashes 0.23+fixes

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sphery:

oh, so it's not the non-zero exit status that's the issue, but just using an event script for delete

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dfletcher__:

right

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dfletcher__:

wait doesn't /bin/false exit 0

[13:42:03]

dfletcher__:

?

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dfletcher__:

that's why I used it because I thought that

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** dfletcher__ tries **

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dfletcher__:

oh heh ok I have it backwards

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** dfletcher__ tries again with /bin/true **

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dfletcher__:

heh nope, /bin/true same result

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dfletcher__:

maybe someone else could try this to see if its my setup? just pop /bin/true in the program delete event and then delete something...

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sphery:

yeah, it would be easy to confuse those if you look at it from the wrong perspective since in shell-speak, a 0 return code is, by convention, "normal program termination" and a 1 (or any non-zero) would be an error condition--which is opposite the C-language approach that 0 is false and anything else is true.

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dfletcher__:

ugh and events only seem to fire on the originating box, not systemwide like I though. boo! that means the FE crash is a show stopper for my little script :/

[14:17:47]

dfletcher__:

back end script working fine though

[14:17:57]

dfletcher__:

I think I need to file a bug

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dfletcher__:

can't find anything like this in trac

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wagnerrp:

system events are supposed to be broadcast throughout the entire system, and run once per connected machine

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wagnerrp:

if they are not, thats another problem

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dfletcher__:

yep so I put the new script on back end event

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dfletcher__:

delete from mythweb, all fine

[14:19:38]

dfletcher__:

delete from living room FE, no action

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dfletcher__:

alright so I suppose I'll file two bugs then :)

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** dfletcher__ really finding them today **

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wagnerrp:

the system event handler is fairly new, and i doubt anyone but the author has really done much testing with them

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wagnerrp:

s/fairly new/*only* 1500 revisions old/

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dfletcher__:

AHA! not just delete event. ALL FE events are borked

[14:27:46]

dfletcher__:

try putting /bin/true into start playback event

[14:27:48]

dfletcher__:

KABOOM

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dfletcher__:

hrm 0.23-fixes isn't listed in the version dropdown

[14:29:36]

wagnerrp:

what dropdown?

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dfletcher__:

trac ticket

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wagnerrp:

oh, on trac?

[14:29:49]

wagnerrp:

it should be

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dfletcher__:

try making a new ticket

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dfletcher__:

0.21-fixes and 0.22-fixes are in it

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dfletcher__:

for 0.23 all I see is RC1 and RC2

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wagnerrp:

right, file it against one of the rcs

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dfletcher__:

hrm I wonder what I'm running

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dfletcher__:

I'll just pick rc2 :P

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any sense bothering with adding a rc3 to trac?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'll add one

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iamlindoro:

done

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iamlindoro:

dfletcher__: Reports of crashes need to be accompanied by gdb backtraces

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dfletcher__:

ah crud

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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dfletcher__:

grr

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dfletcher__:

I can't build a dev system now :/

[14:36:05]

dfletcher__:

oh well, that really sucks

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dfletcher__:

it would be nice if someone else here would help me test this. I mean come on someone PLEASE just try putting /bin/true in the playback start event

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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sphery:

i.e. you can use package-based builds

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sphery:

just have to install debug symbols as described on that page

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dfletcher__:

oh! alright cool. I just didn't want to spend all day setting up a test system

[14:38:23]

sphery:

my myth system is about 150 miles away, so I can't test it

[14:39:36]

** sphery considers changing the TicketHowTo to refer to the wiki Debugging page **

[14:39:43]

wagnerrp:

sphery: didnt you see that slashdot article? you can run vnc in your browser with html5 canvasses, no need for java

[14:39:48]

sphery:

(since it refers to 22.2 and has info for package-based installs)

[14:40:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh... Yeah, that would be fun with my upstream bandwidth

[14:40:21]

wagnerrp:

erm.... nevermind, instead of just adding the functionality into the vncserver, they decided to write their own java middleware server that you have to run in addition to the vnc server

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sphery:

ah, fun

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wagnerrp:

seriously, whats the point

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sphery:

I like VNC over RDP, but I never install VNC servers on my systems

[14:41:02]

sphery:

no need for them on a real system :)

[14:41:13]

wagnerrp:

one way or the other, you still have to install an external dependency, and run a separate environment

[14:41:22]

sphery:

it is useful to have the vncviewer for helping family/friends with their windows issues, though

[14:41:36]

dfletcher__:

how should I launch FE? just `gdb mythfrontend.real` ?

[14:41:46]

jarle:

what is the preferred place to upload a 20MB video clip for use as an example in a bug report?

[14:41:57]

sphery:

that was supposed to mean "I prefer VNC instead of RDP"--I'm not doing any kind of tunneling :)

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher__: if youve got a core dump, you can just load the dump instead of running the program

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wagnerrp:

'gdb mythfrontend.real mythfrontend.real.core'

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** iamlindoro *hates* core dump backtraces **

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sphery:

dfletcher__: or http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Debuggin . . . ntu_packages if you want to use apport

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iamlindoro:

but not as much as I hate stupid ubuntu backtraces

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: they dont handle threading properly or something?

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sphery:

wonder what we can suggest, next that you'll dislike more

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** wagnerrp just *hates* --version info pasted directly into tickets **

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dfletcher__:

hrm well sphery I get a warning about debugging symbols not matching

[14:44:08]

dfletcher__:

this is probably because I'm running mythbuntu auto-build :/

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sphery:

the core dump ones are lacking gdb info, like the signal received (i.e. to a user a SIGILL and a SIGABRT and a SIGKILL all look like a "segfault"--and to some a SIGINT seems to look the same)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: the gdb output on the ticket this morning that ran the FE in GDB and then didn't actually get the BT would be next lowest

[14:44:48]

sphery:

heh, yeah, that was funny

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Basically what sphery said

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iamlindoro:

also lacks the info about which thread it crashed in in most people's BTs

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sphery:

I was helping someone get a bt and the same was happening--because the howto implies that things are done automatically (because the howto supplies a script to gdb), so they just figured all that scrolling info was what we needed

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sphery:

now I have a modified Beastie Boys song stuck in my head... Time to get SIGILL

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dfletcher__:

GRR and those apt-gets killed my FE!

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** dfletcher__ tries removing **

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sphery:

what is the problem with the frontend?

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sphery:

look at the logs, Luke!

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dfletcher__:

I'm running mythbuntu auto build

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iamlindoro:

Use the reports?

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dfletcher__:

which is newer than the dbg repo

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iamlindoro:

eewwww

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dfletcher__:

yeah well

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dfletcher__:

I'm finding out it's not great :P

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dfletcher__:

I set that up before I knew any better

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iamlindoro:

auto-builds are a great idea, and should definitely be used

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sphery:

so the dbg repo isn't re-populated with the auto-build debug?

[14:49:40]

iamlindoro:

the debug builds being behind are a bummer

[14:49:53]

iamlindoro:

You *definitely* want current fixes over what they're pushing out as 10.04

[14:50:01]

iamlindoro:

Which is several weks old

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sphery:

or you're saying you didn't update the binaries to the same "daily" as the debugs?

[14:50:03]

iamlindoro:

er weeks

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dfletcher__:

sphery, I just ran the ubuntu apt-get commands you just linked me to

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sphery:

weks on, weks off

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dfletcher__:

and it killed my FE :P

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iamlindoro:

pain da fence

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dfletcher__:

and apt-get erase did not fix. F***

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sphery:

but how did it kill it?

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dfletcher__:

by overwriting the binary

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sphery:

what's the error in the logs?

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dfletcher__:

I'm getting a version mismatch on launch

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dfletcher__:

lemme go read it again

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sphery:

yeah, so you need to update everything

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** sphery guesses **

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sphery:

but you /will/ have to update all your systems

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dfletcher__:

this application is not compatible with installed libraries – something like that

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dfletcher__:

GRR

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dfletcher__:

man

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sphery:

because you likely just updated past the protocol version change in 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

er, binary version change

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sphery:

whatever it was

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dfletcher__:

why can't I just get back what I had five minutes ago?

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sphery:

though that would only be plugins...

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** dfletcher__ tries dpkg-reconfigure **

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mag0o:

i've noticed the past couple of times when (re)setting up my video source with schedulesdirect, the spinbox that lists 'Data Direct Lineup' doesn't get populated until I exit that screen then go back in to that video source I just configured

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mag0o:

in trunk

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dfletcher__:

lol sphery well if you bork anyone elses install with those instructions, aptitude removing those packages and then `apt-get --reinstall install mythtv-frontend` gets the orig back :P

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mag0o:

and actually, i think the same happens with the 'Starting Channel' on input connections after fetching the channels from SD

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sphery:

dfletcher__: those instructions were written by the mythbuntu packagers--if they're wrong, it would be great if you could let them know/help them find out what's wrong so they can be fixed

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sphery:

mag0o: yeah, those have some issues

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dfletcher__:

not really wrong

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dfletcher__:

it's just if you installed the mythbuntu auto builds it's borked

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sphery:

mag0o: though I'm surprised it's actually getting the lineup correct after you re-enter

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sphery:

seems opposite the bug filed on it

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mag0o:

it is doing that

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sphery:

mag0o: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6637

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mag0o:

just exit the screen then enter again and the spinbox will be populated

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sphery:

basically, that issue on that ticket is an annoying bug resulting from the Qt4 port that's subtle enough it will take a long time to find

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sphery:

and we're throwing away all that code, anyway, so no one is motivated to work on it

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sphery:

so you only have one lineup on Schedules Direct, and it's the one you're using?

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sphery:

if so, that's a different, but related bug (for which I don't think we have a ticket)

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mag0o:

i have 2 lineups

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sphery:

and you're choosing the 2nd lineup?

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mag0o:

it's just selecting the one i want by default, i didn't think to check the spinbox

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mag0o:

one sec

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sphery:

ah, ok, if the one you want is the one that would be chosen by default (first one), then it would show it

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mag0o:

k

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dfletcher__:

heh the more I think about this the worse mythbuntu's auto build system seems. I actually have no idea what version I'm running at a partuclar time and they're not tracking/updating those dev packages

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dfletcher__:

who is this actually for? :P

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iamlindoro:

both the package name, and the --version output will tell you what you are running

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iamlindoro:

*everyone* on ubuntu should be running auto-builds

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dfletcher__:

well why aren't the dev packages tracked and updated too? that seems weird.

[15:03:50]

iamlindoro:

As it is the only way to get the critical fixes for Myth without building it yourself. We don't backport just anything, those fixes are 100% necessary

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sphery:

Interesting take on patent law for anyone who wonders how the big boys do it: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/04/meego . . . d_microsoft/ says, "Intel and Nokia could 'guarantee and promise' that MeeGo is safe from any and all patent claims because of the size and breadth of the companies' patent portfolios...is based on the Linux kernel and uses common components such as X-Windows and Gstreamer."

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dfletcher__:

is there a different / better auto build system?

[15:04:18]

iamlindoro:

If their debug stuff isn't keeping up, you should definitely ask them... but auto-builds themselves should be default on everyone's system IMO

[15:04:23]

sphery:

So, GStreamer does MP3 and MPEG and yet it doesn't violate any patents.

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sphery:

Therefore, no need for Thompson/Sisvel and MPEG-LA to sue people.

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gbee:

97.6% necessary, 2% desirable, 0.4% on a whim

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sphery:

I realize they're saying, "It may violate some patents, but we could sue anyone else out of existence if they attack us, first," but still, it reads as if it's saying MeeGo is somehow magically clean of any and all violations that people are claiming against other distros that use the same components.

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gbee:

sphery: technically gstreamer does plugins (everyone else calls them codecs) and therefore it's perfectly possible for gstreamer to ship without violating patents

[15:07:02]

sphery:

still, though, MS claims Linux kernel is in violation of a ton of their patents, so ...

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sphery:

even if Intel/Nokia pay for the MP3/MPEG licenses for all possible users of MeeGo or make it impossible to ship MP3/MPEG support (the latter of which I find very unlikely), they are using the Linux kernel (and likely things like the FAT driver and ...)

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dfletcher__:

oh heh wait. tried this again sphery, this time doing apt-get upgrade after. it's updating myth, I bet I just hadn't got the latest auto yet :)

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iamlindoro:

http://thedigitalmediazone.com/2010/05/04/htpcentric-03-mythtv/

[15:10:15]

iamlindoro:

I wonder where these podcasts dig up people to talk about MythTV, but never manage to contact any Myth devs?

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dfletcher__:

hmm 24254. heh that's not *too* old, nice.

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dfletcher__:

alright well if this works I'll add the `apt-get upgrade` command to the wiki so this doesn't trip anyone else up

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dfletcher__:

oh FFS and now the bug is gone!

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dfletcher__:

hrm why didn't I get this auto build earlier? /me checks system auto update settings

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iamlindoro:

it is?

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8423

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iamlindoro:

This podcast is a train wreck

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wagnerrp:

arent they always?

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iamlindoro:

This makes the other guys seem like Myth devs

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AndyCap:

Mythtv was in a recent linuxjournal too iirc.

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dfletcher__:

ok iamlindoro commented – requested ticket close

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dfletcher__:

aaarg and it forgot my name. I guess I'm anon :)

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** dfletcher__ sets it in prefs **

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iamlindoro:

dfletcher__: done, thanks

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AndyCap:

Ah, the May issue of LJ, not available on the website yet it looks like.

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drindt:

i got the message "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP." from backendprocess, but the ip is definitely set... what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

you ran mythtv-setup on that specific machine, and set that value?

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iamlindoro:

Holy cow this thing is long

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 69MB

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wagnerrp:

probably about an hour

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iamlindoro:

It may not help that I'm at work and time drags on anyway

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drindt:

wagnerrp: yup

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wagnerrp:

drindt: you set that, and continued hitting next all the way through finish?

[15:42:27]

drindt:

ya

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iamlindoro:

drindt: You put the IP, and not a hostname, right?

[15:43:01]

drindt:

yes ip only

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iamlindoro:

Take a screenshot of the setup page

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drindt:

moment

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iamlindoro:

HA

[15:45:26]

iamlindoro:

They are talking about IRC attitudes

[15:45:36]

iamlindoro:

or rather, they just asked how the attitude was in this channel

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johnnyj:

i'll take responsiveness over attitude any day

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iamlindoro:

Fair answer, though-- Yes, we try to make sure people have done their homework, and then are generally happy to help

[15:46:53]

iamlindoro:

At least, that's what we aim for

[15:47:41]

iamlindoro:

OK, I am changing my opinion on these guys, they are not altogether clueless

[15:47:52]

iamlindoro:

the first bit was painful, but the current answers are fairly solid

[15:48:03]

iamlindoro:

and some of the terminology is a bit off, but oh well

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drindt:

iamlindoro: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2820/bilds . . . ythtvset.png

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iamlindoro:

drindt: OK, now let's see the backend log from trying to start the backend

[15:48:43]

iamlindoro:

(the screenshot looks okay)

[15:49:50]

drindt:

iamlindoro: i think so, http://pastebin.com/EKSKeQ56

[15:50:01]

wagnerrp:

well he is recording 1080p from his hdpvr

[15:50:12]

iamlindoro:

drindt: OK, you have a corrupt config.xml

[15:50:26]

iamlindoro:

drindt: Since it can't parse it, it can't figure out where to connect to your DB

[15:50:37]

drindt:

iamlindoro: i checked that already the file is empty, but the setup thing doesnt write it

[15:50:38]

iamlindoro:

whatever you have in /etc/mythtv/config.xml is incorrect

[15:51:01]

iamlindoro:

drindt: check ~/.mythtv/

[15:51:05]

drindt:

iamlindoro: so how to reply all the actions? and start from the beginning?

[15:51:28]

iamlindoro:

You don't reply at all, you need to fix config.xml to give it correct info to point at your DB

[15:51:40]

iamlindoro:

once it has that, it will be able to access your configuration info

[15:52:28]

drindt:

iamlindoro: in ~/.mythtv is the mysql.txt and it contains values

[15:52:44]

drindt:

additional some pics from the channels

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iamlindoro:

drindt: if you like you can copy that file to /etc/mythtv/ and rm config.xml

[15:53:23]

iamlindoro:

then try running your backend

[15:54:05]

drindt:

iamlindoro: done, and then restart the setup?

[15:54:19]

iamlindoro:

drindt: no, assuming you did setup properly, you should be able to run the backend

[15:54:39]

drindt:

ah it starts it seems

[15:54:53]

iamlindoro:

So now it's just down to whether you have properly configured the backend

[15:56:19]

drindt:

iamlindoro: it works, thans very much

[15:56:22]

iamlindoro:

np

[15:56:24]

drindt:

thank you very much

[15:56:29]

iamlindoro:

you are welcome :)

[15:56:51]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yeah, some little inaccuracies-- I don't see why these groups don't ever ping myth devs-- is it because we don't twitter? ;)

[15:57:09]

wagnerrp:

were not 'out on the internets'

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drindt:

thank you, so i have a lil suggestion, why not remove the config.xml when it has parse errors, because the dtd should avoid writing wrong configs so the error is avoidable

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wagnerrp:

were stuck here in the old irc system

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iamlindoro:

drindt: That's the first time I have ever heard of someone having a corrupted/empty config.xml in years of myth use

[16:05:19]

iamlindoro:

drindt: So while I'd admit it would be nice to handle it, it's definitely not going to spring to the top of the list, nor are any of us hurting for tasks to complete :)

[16:05:21]

ThisOtherGuy:

Hi All

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drindt:

iamlindoro: it was just a suggestion :)

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wagnerrp:

of course there is no way we (linux) could implement digital rights management

[16:06:50]

wagnerrp:

people just dont understand this fact that DRM requires obfuscation

[16:07:23]

janneg:

s/requires/is/

[16:07:51]

wagnerrp:

its not that 'companies dont trust us to do it'

[16:07:57]

wagnerrp:

it just simply cant be done

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dan__t:

Hrm those CommandIR IR transmitters look kinda neat.

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, it's not that different on linux than any other platform. :P

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dan__t:

Wonder how well the girlfriend will tolerate cat5 through the dining room, and for how long...

[16:13:37]

wagnerrp:

im just glad he didnt call it 'erk'

[16:13:59]

dan__t:

Suppose AC ducts aren't out of the question.

[16:14:02]

wagnerrp:

one of my friends asked me how to use 'erk' once, i had no idea what he was talking about

[16:14:45]

iamlindoro:

dan__t: Not at all, that's a popular option (and a good one if you can make it work)

[16:15:20]

dan__t:

I think so.... I'd have to consider options for running the cable down the wall from the vent.

[16:15:29]

dan__t:

Living in an apartment and all, I can't very well cut the wall heh.

[16:15:30]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but if i you want it to follow building code, you need more expensive plenum rated cables

[16:15:42]

dan__t:

I. Give. A. Shit.

[16:15:44]

AndyCap:

new moulding with cable slits?

[16:15:48]

dan__t:

I just want it to work haha.

[16:15:51]

dan__t:

Yep.

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wagnerrp:

watch the language

[16:15:57]

dan__t:

Right, sorry.

[16:16:08]

iamlindoro:

I have a smal stretch of my house that's on concrete slab, so I used an affixable conduit along the baseboard to run between the server closet and the crawlspace

[16:16:09]

dan__t:

Or a track that runs vertically all the way down behind the TV.

[16:16:20]

dan__t:

I'm ordering an IR blaster now finally

[16:16:27]

wagnerrp:

no hammer drill?

[16:16:32]

iamlindoro:

heh

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dan__t:

haha

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AndyCap:

dan__t: get flat cat 5? :P

[16:17:36]

wagnerrp:

dont get cat5

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johnnyj:

i love that stuff

[16:17:57]

johnnyj:

i have to make myself not buy it when I see it

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dan__t:

So those irblaster.info blasters look to be pretty well recommended

[16:18:09]

wagnerrp:

get cat6, or at leats cat5e

[16:18:10]

AndyCap:

http://www.vpi.us/cable-sf.html

[16:18:20]

wagnerrp:

i dont actually think you can even buy cat5 any more can you?

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dan__t:

oh that's way bad-ass.

[16:18:33]

dan__t:

er, sorry.

[16:18:35]

dan__t:

way cool.

[16:18:37]

dfletcher__:

yeah dan__t I have one of those. mythbuntu made it super easy to configure that thing ;)

[16:18:51]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: probably not. but I'm going to keep calling it cat 5 for a long time. :P

[16:18:54]

dan__t:

Kewl. That wins then, for now.

[16:19:14]

dan__t:

I was honestly looking for a USB one that was supported well.

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johnnyj:

oh snap

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johnnyj:

sphery: not probing the dummy recorder would have been simpler, but Im learning a good deal

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dfletcher__:

dan__t, I've been thinking about making a low-cost direct USB -> USB gizmo – hoefully around $20 or so – to take this annoying IR out of the loop (at least for DirecTV people). I hate IR :)

[16:20:42]

dan__t:

Ultimately that would be cool. Apparently that's not going to happen with Cox though. Like, ever.

[16:20:59]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher__: i thought you had a prototype of that, or did you just have the board drawn up

[16:21:02]

dfletcher__:

oh? so there's no serial or USB connector on the thing?

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dan__t:

No.

[16:21:19]

dfletcher__:

wagnerrp, just drew up board. bit broke at the moment, can't run the board yet :)

[16:21:45]

dan__t:

On aside, how much does that cost?

[16:21:47]

dfletcher__:

probably cost about $300 to get started. bunch of PCBs and parts

[16:21:48]

dan__t:

Just curious

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dan__t:

ah

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dfletcher__:

well I plan on selling them, so I order in bulk ;)

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dan__t:

right

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dfletcher__:

hurry up mythfilldatabase! I'm trying to see if the mythfilldatabaseran event fires here :)

[16:23:15]

dfletcher__:

or well – fires across my network

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johnnyj:

AndyCap: that was terrible: it's payday

[16:24:20]

dan__t:

Ok, got two on the way.

[16:24:37]

dan__t:

I wimped out on the machine I was building last night

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wagnerrp:

noov!

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dan__t:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . k=IONITX-G-E – this one looks real pretty

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dfletcher__:

heh dan__t I got the F-E .. very similar but has more outputs on the back (and a useless wifi card that I'm not using heh)

[16:28:53]

dfletcher__:

newegg also gave me a combo deal on my case and the F-E was nice :)

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dan__t:

oh, very cool.

[16:29:08]

dan__t:

There was a good case I found for it too.... can't find it now though.

[16:29:31]

dan__t:

Those hiper machines looked kinda neat but iffy

[16:29:42]

wagnerrp:

and overpriced

[16:29:51]

dan__t:

Fact

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dfletcher__:

YES! wagnerrp success! on delete, it marks things to re-record later in my table, updates oldrecordings. on mythfilldatabase it goes through and resets everything older than timeout. perfection! :D

[16:30:33]

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dan__t:

Ideally a slot-loading DVD application with like a vacuum fluorescent display on the front

[16:30:45]

dan__t:

That's what the Hiper machines had.

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wagnerrp:

you need a dvd player?

[16:31:05]

dan__t:

Would be nice yeah.

[16:31:20]

dan__t:

Use the myth as a complete replacement to an existing STB, that's the goal.

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wagnerrp:

STBs dont have dvd players

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dan__t:

I'd get rid of the DVD player.

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dan__t:

I want *one* box under the TV that does everything.

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dfletcher__:

:)

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wagnerrp:

any reason to play the dvds directly, rather than stream them from the backend?

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dan__t:

I don't know why people flip out when I explain what I want heh

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** dfletcher__ really close to that :) **

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dan__t:

Convenience for the user

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gbee:

wagnerrp: rentals?

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dan__t:

And my GF isn't allowed in my office, where the backend is heh

[16:32:46]

gbee:

or relatives bringing over their home videos

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dan__t:

Exactly.

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wagnerrp:

dan__t: just trying to make you think of other possibilities that having a full PC under your TV allows

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dan__t:

I'd like to be able to store those home movies right from this *one* machine which will then put them back on the backend *fingers crossed*

[16:33:23]

dan__t:

I understand, wagnerrp. Thanks.

[16:33:52]

dan__t:

So you're happy with those Ionitx boards?

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dfletcher__:

dan__t, heh I have a single box and http://fletchtronics.net/mortal-kontroller and that's it :)

[16:34:25]

dfletcher__:

ooh speaking of

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dfletcher__:

I need to configure MAME :)

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dan__t:

Whoa.

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dan__t:

hahaha nice.

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dfletcher__:

my friend built the box, I suck at woodworking ;) I just did the electronics, stained it, added brass corners :) thanks!

[16:35:44]

dan__t:

Just sent that to a friend. He *may* be asking you to make him one.

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dfletcher__:

:D

[16:36:21]

dfletcher__:

I was carrying it home from the office and someone stopped me on the street asking if he could buy one :)

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dan__t:

brb

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dan__t:

ok back, who missed me

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dfletcher__:

heh I could attach a HVAC dimmer to it, control my lights with the remote :P

[17:01:11]

wagnerrp:

one of the australian users developed some pre/post roll patches to the player before the event system came out

[17:01:19]

wagnerrp:

stuff to control lights around his tv

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dfletcher__:

hah nice

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wagnerrp:

it would be far more easy to implement now with the event system

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drindt:

how can i disable my screensaver in gnome during mythfrontend?

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dfletcher__:

sphery, added details on syncing with auto-builds, and how to back out of the whole thing in the Basic Backtrace section on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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johnnyj:

drindt: which screensaver, which release of myth?

[17:24:12]

johnnyj:

the short answer is that X11ScreenSaver support exists in mythtv already

[17:24:42]

johnnyj:

i meant xscreensaver

[17:25:41]

johnnyj:

gnome-screensaver is experiencing a bug that you may be running into

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sphery:

dfletcher__: thanks... that should help others

[17:28:56]

sphery:

johnnyj: if only someone had reviewed the patch that adds xdg-screensaver support to Myth...

[17:29:00]

sphery:

someone's being slow :)

[17:29:18]

iamlindoro:

Yes, the Myth devs are slow at reviewing tickets-- some last literally days

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johnnyj:

sphery: i was DETERMINED not to nag you about it – I want full credit for that

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wagnerrp:

s/days/years/

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sphery:

credit given... you have done well at not nagging

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johnnyj:

plus im happily busy on the dummy tuner

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sphery:

though it is close to the top of my list--and I'll be returning home tomorrow, so will have some Myth time

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johnnyj:

in fact i was about to ask for help on deciphering a backtrace on the dummy tunner

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sphery:

Your ticket did drop in priority to under another change I've been planning--only because Isaac requested the other :)

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sphery:

feel free to pastebin the bt, and I'll take a look

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: only old tickets :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: new tickets have been enjoying a fairly quick turnaround

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iamlindoro:

beers welcome

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sphery:

the invalid ones are definitely getting quick turnarounds

[17:32:45]

sphery:

I almost never get to close the easy ones, anymore

[17:32:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro is way too fast

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iamlindoro:

That's because Captain Ruthless is triaging

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johnnyj:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/bJxbres7

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johnnyj:

it's when trying to start live tv with a dummy tuner

[17:34:02]

johnnyj:

but with one created through setup

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sphery:

So, others thoughts: new Google look? I can't decide if I like it or if it's too "light".

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** wagnerrp tries to remember how he set up weave at home so he can connect his work desktop to it **

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sphery:

others'

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sphery:

nvm...

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sphery:

it disappeared

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sphery:

either they haven't rolled it out or some weirdness happened with the CSS/caching/...

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** sphery does some screenshots so he can prove he's not insane **

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johnnyj:

it's gonna take more than a SS

[17:36:31]

sphery:

heh

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dfletcher__:

heh his edit history on that debugging page helps show a bit of sanity :P

[17:37:40]

sphery:

johnnyj: so, it's a crash in code called by screensaver-xdg.cpp:71 — calling QWidget::testAttribute_helper(Qt::WidgetAttribute)

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dfletcher__:

heh wow you're a busy boy on this wiki :) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sphery

[17:37:50]

sphery:

likely passing a null value for the WidgetAttribute

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johnnyj:

what irony

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wagnerrp:

it would probably help if i were running that server on a registered subdomain

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sphery:

johnnyj: so, you're actually doing some further testing before you upload a fixed version for making my reviewing it easier? That's really kind of you. :)

[17:39:08]

johnnyj:

my version locally is not the same as I submitted

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sphery:

dfletcher__: actually, if you want to see busy-wiki-boys, look at iamlindoro and wagnerrp's contributions. They've basically written or rewritten everything in there :)

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johnnyj:

i ran across some code I thought was cleaner

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sphery:

I just got to do a lot when I moved a ton of code out of contrib to the wiki

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iamlindoro:

only because I don't do anything else

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wagnerrp:

s/in there/in a couple sections/

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skd5aner:

sphery: no, they changed... more "bing" like actually

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sphery:

skd5aner: you're right--it is bing like

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sphery:

I was trying to figure out where I'd seen something like that

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sphery:

put a background image in it, and I'd think I was looking at bing :)

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skd5aner:

not sure I'm a big fan, but they could have changed way more I suppose

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sphery:

wonder why one of my windows went back to the old, square 3D buttons (instead of the new curvy ones)

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sphery:

yeah, it was subtle

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wagnerrp:

oh if only virtual hosts could be made to work with raw IPs

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wagnerrp:

i dont wanna wait for my cache to get flushed

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sphery:

I think the missing shadow on the logo is what I dislike most

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johnnyj:

wow those pastebins show up in google

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I always put an expiry on mine

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sphery:

johnnyj: so is the new code in the window-ID-getting code?

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: yeah, apparently you can find a bunch of private keys being pasted in there

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johnnyj:

sphery: yeah I was trying to use window->findChild<QWidget*>("video playback window") instead

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sphery:

johnnyj: you seem to be using myWId = 0 , which might cause problems in the QWidget::testAttribute_helper(Qt::WidgetAttribute)

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johnnyj:

there seems to be an issue with that

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sphery:

ahhh

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dfletcher__:

wagnerrp/sphery I'm adding a wiki page for RerecordLater.py and filling out the script info. webpage – should I just host this on my site and point there or ... how does one get a contrib SVN account? :)

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johnnyj:

i had ran across that in the code elsewhere and thought you might have preferred it

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sphery:

I should really talk to markk to see if there's a good way of getting the video window's window ID

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher__: just put the code in the page like the other scripts

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sphery:

might be worth mod'ing the player to record it on startup

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dfletcher__:

and leave webpage off then?

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sphery:

assuming it has it...

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dfletcher__:

"webpage=http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . ink.pl"

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wagnerrp:

you can list a webpage, you can also specify an external URL to the file if you want

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johnnyj:

sphery:i can revert to suspending based on the main window's id

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dfletcher__:

ah alright if it's optional I'll just leave it off

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johnnyj:

which is what i submitted to you

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wagnerrp:

if you leave the webpage off, it just uses the wiki page

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher__: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24284

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dfletcher__:

ahh more goodies eh? right-o I'll patch :)

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sphery:

johnnyj: cool... that works

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sphery:

I'll try to look at that patch next week sometime

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wagnerrp:

(and 24290)

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johnnyj:

sphery: sweet – i hope to have this one in by then

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dfletcher__:

line 167 fail :P

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher__: basically, thats just a module for automated access to those scripts on the wiki, since theyre being moved out of contrib

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** sphery leaves dfletcher__ in wagnerrp's capable hands... **

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wagnerrp:

note that is designed for trunk, and you are using 0.23

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sphery:

Time to go play wii with my nephew

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iamlindoro:

cesman: The SiliconDust guys were in the dev channel this week and submitted patches that they need committed for the HDHR CC to work with Myth-- so I'd say linux support is a go

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iamlindoro:

cesman: It's just that you'll only get the copy freely channels out of it

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wagnerrp:

which is stuff you would get through firewire anyway, right?

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iamlindoro:

cesman: And one tier above that which requires decrypt but allows copy, which the guy had to get the $180/month cable to find a single channel to test with

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dfletcher__:

aha right wagnerrp I saw the new support for wiki when you first mentioned script info. I didn't realize though that this was part of a strategy for moving it away from SVN. was just copying what's in mythlink.pl page :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Well, it's basically ClearQAM with a maybe-sorta-possibly couple extra channels

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher__: if you are hosting this externally, the mythlink.pl page is a good example

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wagnerrp:

if you want to put this on the wiki, see one of the other pages

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dfletcher__:

aha thanks will do. I picked this only because it's in the same section where I'm adding mine

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wagnerrp:

all told, theres some 70 or so scripts that sphery set up to use that

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dfletcher__:

heh wow

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: well if nothing else, it should be much less hassle than a STB/firewire

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johnnyj:

sphery: yep – that fixed it – wonder why it borked on that today and not previously – oh well

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cesman:

iamlindoro: thanks for the update

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dfletcher__:

lol was it you iamlindoro that linked this podcast? finally cliked play. this is devoid of any content :P

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its about 5 minutes of real content, extending for over an hour

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wagnerrp:

most decent, some wrong

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wagnerrp:

sounds like none of those people have any idea how to talk in a public forum

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wagnerrp:

to many pauses and filler words

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wagnerrp:

'um', 'uh',...

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dfletcher__:

they also sound a bit .... uh .. hick for lack of a better word :P

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dan__t:

Shipped 2 Light up RS232 IR Blaster

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dan__t:

hot.

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iamlindoro:

Well, the podcast is okay-- There are some rough bits but I should say that I do appreciate the people who are getting Myth some press/airtime

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iamlindoro:

could it be better, sure, but since we're not prepared to provide that kind of content as a project, I am thankful for those that do

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wagnerrp:

basically, everything they said was right, the explinations just could have been a bit better

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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drindt:

i have a weird problem with mythfrontend, my keys are not working after a while keyboard and remote, what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

when did mythcar go defunct?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: when the linked page no longer exists

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wagnerrp:

well obviously... i mean id never heard of it

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wagnerrp:

does sourceforge drop projects only on request? or after a certain period of inactivity

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dfletcher__:

yay :) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/RerecordLater.py

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dfletcher__:

ack meeting time. boo

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher__: actually, the 'name' gets ignored if it does not contain 'http://'

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dfletcher__:

heh is it worth an edit just for that? :)

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** dfletcher__ waits and finds a few more issues first :P **

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wagnerrp:

no, and a bunch of other ones already have it

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dfletcher__:

ah

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wagnerrp:

or rather still have it

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wagnerrp:

seems to work on my end, as far as the downloader tool goes

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iamlindoro:

Because if we did that, I Could rewrite the user job code to allow one to specify a script, or pick one from the wiki in a drop-down

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iamlindoro:

not to mention moving metadata handling into the BE is going to require it anyway

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wagnerrp:

specify a script?

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iamlindoro:

yes-- fill a buttonlist with all the available user jobs, allow the user to select them by name

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iamlindoro:

then handle the download, chmod, and install in the background

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wagnerrp:

ah, only problem with how it exists currently is it takes some ~30s to download and process the list

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wagnerrp:

if this is to be integrated into anything but a command line script, it really needs some meaningful backend

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wagnerrp:

something that could provide a list in <half a second

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wagnerrp:

well the first run takes ~30s, subsequent runs take under half a second

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dan__t:

Well i might be building that box tonight after all... looks like an old client finally decided to pay up.

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dfletcher:

dan__t, nice! using that as a frontend or combined front/backend?

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dfletcher:

and instead of buying a case with neon lights you should make something. it'll be cooler :P

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, have you thought about more advanced schema support? like perhaps installation and update callbacks?

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dan__t:

just as a frontend

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dfletcher:

ahh very good :)

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dan__t:

I have an old dell gx370 desktop I can use as a backend while I get started heh

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dan__t:

I just want to demonstrate that it actually works before I go dumping money in to it.

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, how Drupal does this is amazing: http://api.drupal.org/api/function/hook_update_N/5

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dan__t:

Its been rough every time I've tried.

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dfletcher:

heh

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dfletcher:

I jumped in money first :P

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dan__t:

I don't want to make -anything- . I just want something that works.

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dfletcher:

anyway wagnerrp if interested in building that I'll be your coderhelpermonkey :)

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dan__t:

Seen any neat slim cases that look like component receivers, that look like they might actually belong around my TV?

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dan__t:

Slot loading DVD, nice big LCD or something would be pretty rad

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: that looks similar to how mythtv handles schemas internally

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dfletcher:

heh go figure

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dfletcher:

yeah I found the mini-itx case selection on newegg a bit limiting dan__t. but heh that combo deal they offered, I couldn't refuse :)

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wagnerrp:

you have a function that just loops, with 'if version == N; perform these commands; set version += 1'

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dfletcher:

right

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dfletcher:

hey presto, magic schema update from whatever to whatever :)

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wagnerrp:

but you would have to provide the if/then statements

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wagnerrp:

so all told, the only thing the bindings would provide would be a couple lines of wrapper code

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dan__t:

Yea I understand.

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dan__t:

Remember, though, the goal is, this box would be the only thing sitting by my TV.

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wagnerrp:

dan__t: silverstone and hyper make a couple

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dan__t:

I even want to use the input from the cable co's STB as a different input.

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dan__t:

And stream digital cable.

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dan__t:

'cause that's how I roll.

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dan__t:

Oh speaking of rolling.... any such thing as client-side caching? Like if I wanted to save some of those family videos on this box and take it to grandma's house for the weekend? Bring some of that library with me and use it all locally?

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wagnerrp:

not currently, no

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dan__t:

I see those kids with Xboxes doing this.

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, heh well you can handle the DBSchemaVer on the lib side too though. so scripts don't worry about such details, they just declare install and update routines

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wagnerrp:

one of the devs has plans for detached frontends such as that

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dan__t:

That's cool.

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wagnerrp:

but hes got a whole list of plans he wants to get to before that

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dfletcher:

what do you mean you'd need if/else statements? for what?

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dan__t:

Understood.

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dfletcher:

each update generally just has ALTER TABLEs

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wagnerrp:

half of those are intended to get things in place to make such a system like that easy to accomplish

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: right, if at schema x, perform these commands

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dfletcher:

yeah so it'd just be cool if the bindings did it for me. like you decide how the numbering system works and I just use it

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dfletcher:

e.g. in my script I'm reading and using the schema version several times. with help from the bindings I think it could be zero

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wagnerrp:

technically youre only reading the schema version once

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dfletcher:

well yeah but I mean then I have some pointless crap: if it's too new error out, code is old.. if too old, update

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dfletcher:

I mean... this seems really common, anyone managing db tables the right way needs to do it

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: something like this? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/unBczHv8

[20:28:53]

dfletcher:

oh I see hmm just one update function? I liked Drupal's idea. def update_1002(self), def update_1003(self) ...

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dfletcher:

that makes it harder for you :P

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dfletcher:

oh heh yeah I guess it doesn't need an explicit install. it could just be the first update.

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: i _could_ do it that way i suppose

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dfletcher:

syntax sugar ;)

[20:29:54]

dfletcher:

either way

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wagnerrp:

but you see what i mean by there is very little duplicated code?

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dfletcher:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

its little more than a loop wrapper

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dfletcher:

well the whole idea though is it just makes my code a bit more legible and easy to maintain. I would assume as the bindings owner you'd want that too ;)

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dfletcher:

just use the class name for schema name. the one extending SchemaUpdate

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . -0-23-a.html

[20:57:14]

iamlindoro:

READING FAIL!

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dfletcher:

man I hate that site

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dfletcher:

firebug it away :P

[20:58:42]

dfletcher:

heh though I must admit reading through that horrific thing for an answer before

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wagnerrp:

well... that plus he keeps calling it the '1212'

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iamlindoro:

I can't wait for the response when we learn how it's my/MythTV's fault

[20:59:43]

dfletcher:

well that and doesn't spell hauppauge right either :P

[20:59:58]

dfletcher:

SEO fail!

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dfletcher:

heh I guess it's a forum topic

[21:00:23]

wagnerrp:

hua!

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dfletcher:

heh it's hard to tell through this massive white square :P

[21:00:31]

wagnerrp:

hes just a Pacino fan

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iamlindoro:

just click outside the box

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dfletcher:

s/click/think ?

[21:00:56]

dfletcher:

:P

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iamlindoro:

nope, click

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** dfletcher goes off and hides in shame that was awful **

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dfletcher:

man and the worst part is they use jquery for that. jquery should not be used for such horrific things.

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nichos:

hi all, im trying to re-scan for chans (it missed some) and im getting "channel could not be opened"

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nichos:

ive deleted all chans and deleted and re-added the cards

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nichos:

google is not much help on this

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dfletcher:

oh heh the wiki must have an anonymous cache. when logged in I see my new page in the category pages but not logged out

[21:30:09]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i came across something like that a couple weeks ago

[21:30:49]

wagnerrp:

the individual page works fine, and luckily the 'what links here' pages works as well, so the script script works

[21:30:56]

wagnerrp:

but the categories dont get updated

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dfletcher:

I'm sure it'll clear eventually, no rush in my case :)

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wagnerrp:

no, last time it was stuck about 6 months old

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wagnerrp:

until one of the ops deleted the cache

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dfletcher:

heh well that's not good

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dfletcher:

should flush it on cron or something

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** PeaceKeeper loading up mythnetvision to see how it works :) **

[21:52:53]

dfletcher:

heh for me it steals the keyboard focus and never gives it back :P

[21:53:07]

PeaceKeeper:

haha nice ...

[21:53:16]

PeaceKeeper:

what kind of streams are you watching?

[21:53:20]

dfletcher:

so I get to play 1 thing ;)

[21:53:29]

iamlindoro:

dfletcher, You need to read the wiki page

[21:53:37]

dfletcher:

nothing yet. well searched youtube a couple times

[21:53:53]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision#Help . . . f_a_video.21

[21:53:55]

dfletcher:

heh iamlindoro I need a better remote. using OSK. it's painful :)

[21:54:06]

iamlindoro:

It's not a matter of the remote

[21:54:09]

dfletcher:

but I guess I could preset some things

[21:54:13]

dfletcher:

well searching is harsh

[21:55:02]

iamlindoro:

dfletcher, I would just prefer you not tell people that the plugin steals keyboard focus when it doesn't have anything to do with MNV-- you can blame adobe

[21:55:07]

PeaceKeeper:

I saw the last commit on svn for mythnetvision. "Hulu/iPlayer/etc. would probably want to make use of this" does that mean I can try hulu ?

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

er no

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iamlindoro:

There is no public Hulu grabber yet

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wagnerrp:

blame adobe, blame adobe

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok :) Hulu is not the reason I want to load it anyways (but would be cool) :) I just wanted to try i out.

[21:56:00]

wagnerrp:

with all their beady little eyes

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wagnerrp:

and flappin heads so full of lies

[21:56:28]

wagnerrp:

blame adobe, blame adobe

[21:56:35]

wagnerrp:

it seems that everythings gone wrong

[21:56:39]

wagnerrp:

since adobe came long

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PeaceKeeper:

You work for Apple?

[21:57:15]

** dfletcher actually hopes they both implode **

[21:57:18]

dfletcher:

that's possible, right?

[21:57:33]

wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: no, i just miss the good old days when my laptop could actually run the internets

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PeaceKeeper:

wagnerrp: because of hardware resources need for flash? or because it is an old laptop and html 1.0 was easier on it?

[21:59:07]

wagnerrp:

because of the hardware needed for flash

[21:59:11]

dfletcher:

iamlindoro, sorry for throwing stones BTW, I didn't mean to hit MythTV :P obviously you're sensitive to that problem. well *my* problem is I don't want a mouse :P

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wagnerrp:

my laptop will choke on a youtube video

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wagnerrp:

i download said video, and play it with mplayer, and my CPU load never peaks 15%

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PeaceKeeper:

Wow, I dont have that issue with 3 year old dell...

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wagnerrp:

well it IS an old laptop

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** PeaceKeeper does nto like flash BTW. Was just wondering **

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt mean it lacks power to run other non-flash pages and video

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iamlindoro:

dfletcher, MNV will invariably requier a mouse for the time being. Until/Unless we can wrap remote commands to mouse clicks, that will continue-- not that we haven't discussed doing so, but I'm the only one working on MNV internals ATM and can only do so much

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PeaceKeeper:

will it do h264?

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wagnerrp:

will what?

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PeaceKeeper:

you laptop?

[22:00:50]

PeaceKeeper:

your**

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dfletcher:

oooh! iamlindoro I can possibly help here. I do know a bit about the USB subsystem!

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wagnerrp:

sure, of sufficiently low bitrate

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wagnerrp:

i can probably manage 2–3mbps on that thing

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iamlindoro:

dfletcher, the USB subsystem doesn't enter into it

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wagnerrp:

well... more likely 1.5–2

[22:01:40]

dfletcher:

iamlindoro, you don't want to send HID mouse events?

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wagnerrp:

either way, far less than youtube puts out

[22:01:48]

dfletcher:

how else?

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PeaceKeeper:

I did get espn360 (espn3) running on my zotac ion. It worked ok. Slight stutter but not to bad.

[22:02:13]

iamlindoro:

dfletcher, that would be a big hack-- all one needs to do is emulate a click event internally

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dfletcher:

internally? oh it's embedded?

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iamlindoro:

huh?

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dfletcher:

oh I see. get myth to click itself

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iamlindoro:

dfletcher, The work needed will require the following: C++ and Qt knowledge, and reasonable internal knowledge of MNV and MythBrowser

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iamlindoro:

and more than passing knowledge of Myth's core UI libraries

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dfletcher:

can't just call focus() on the top window then? :P

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iamlindoro:

that's not to say that patches aren't welcome, they are-- it's just that the only people who are likely to manage the OSD/remote wrapping in MNV are me and Stuart M

[22:04:15]

iamlindoro:

no

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PeaceKeeper:

I wish the HD-PVR would go on sale again. :( That is the next hardware I want to get working.

[22:09:01]

PeaceKeeper:

Does anyone know where to get the same files again? The links on the wiki are on mininova (torrent) and are dead...

[22:09:17]

wagnerrp:

the HDPVR test files?

[22:09:24]

PeaceKeeper:

yes

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wagnerrp:

which ones do you want?

[22:10:06]

wagnerrp:

understand ive got a whopping 768K up

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PeaceKeeper:

yumm the smaller one then :)

[22:11:00]

PeaceKeeper:

I just want to see of the zotac will play it fine before a purchase.

[22:11:11]

wagnerrp:

one of the IONs?

[22:11:15]

PeaceKeeper:

yes

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wagnerrp:

will play it just fine

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PeaceKeeper:

nice :)

[22:11:36]

wagnerrp:

with hardware decoding anyway

[22:11:40]

wagnerrp:

not a chance with software

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PeaceKeeper:

Now I just need to get one. I was hoping for a sale but I am growing weary

[22:12:18]

PeaceKeeper:

you mean VDPAU?

[22:12:31]

wagnerrp:

yes, thats the only way an Atom would have any chance

[22:12:45]

wagnerrp:

without that, youre about 4x too slow

[22:14:26]

PeaceKeeper:

I like it a lot, nice and small. Works good as a frontend.

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wagnerrp:

works adequately as a frontend

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levander:

Are there any computer cases with a front side IR receiver besides the Antec Fusion?

[22:16:48]

wagnerrp:

levander: easy enough to make your own

[22:17:06]

wagnerrp:

pop out an existing LED, and hotglue your receiver in

[22:17:34]

jpabq:

PeaceKeeper, I have not seen the HD-PVR for less than $210 in a very, very long time.

[22:17:45]

wagnerrp:

or drill a new hole for it

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levander:

wagnerrp: Now that Comcast is turning privacy mode on, I've got to have cables that will send an IR signal to a Comcast cable box. Any quick ideas for that?

[22:18:08]

wagnerrp:

or cut out a 3.5" or 5.25" cover, and put some transparent plastic in

[22:18:21]

wagnerrp:

levander: use firewire instead

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wagnerrp:

they MUST provide you with a box with active firewire

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wagnerrp:

and even if you cant record off it, you can at least change the channels with it

[22:18:51]

levander:

A thought that firewire stuff was a long time ago. They're still letting you use firewire?

[22:18:58]

PeaceKeeper:

jpabq: i know :(

[22:19:10]

wagnerrp:

levander: no, they MUST let you use firewire

[22:19:26]

wagnerrp:

if they refuse to provide you with a box with an active firewire port, take it up with the FCC

[22:19:29]

levander:

I wonder how much they're charging a month for a firewire cable box?

[22:19:41]

levander:

That's prolly the catch.

[22:19:42]

wagnerrp:

the same price they charge for any other HD cable box

[22:19:59]

wagnerrp:

they try to do otherwise, and they lose their charter

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iamlindoro:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/583569- . . . B_Video.html

[22:20:02]

wagnerrp:

tell them that

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iamlindoro:

$190

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: $210 is fairly common for those

[22:20:25]

wagnerrp:

under $200 is not uncommon

[22:20:33]

** mag0o got his hd-pvr for a nice price :) **

[22:20:40]

wagnerrp:

and you can occasionally pick them up for ~$150 of dell sb

[22:20:44]

levander:

Yeah, an HD cable box is $13/month. That's more than I wanna pay... But, thanks for letting me know about the option.

[22:21:09]

PeaceKeeper:

13.75 shipping. pffft

[22:21:10]

iamlindoro:

mag0o, $210 / # of hours worked on the theme = hourly pay of....?

[22:21:17]

wagnerrp:

$13/mo, wow...

[22:21:27]

jpabq:

wagnerrp, when was the last time Dell had it on sale? I thought it had been many months.

[22:21:27]

iamlindoro:

mag0o, Hope you enjoyed getting paid less than minimum wage for it ;)

[22:21:33]

wagnerrp:

i think time warner was charging me 7

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levander:

Well, you get one for free with HD channels. But, this isn't the primary TV in the house, so this would be a second HD cable box.

[22:21:58]

jpabq:

mag0o, I got one of mine for the same price you got yours for ;-)

[22:22:00]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: be fair, it was shipping from hauppauge, so its the full $250 retail price

[22:22:11]

iamlindoro:

jpabq, mag0o, I got one for that price too ;)

[22:22:23]

PeaceKeeper:

I might just have to try OTA only and see what I miss. I just wish streaming online was easier.

[22:22:30]

wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind

[22:22:37]

wagnerrp:

seems retail price is now only $200

[22:22:48]

levander:

wagnerrp: Plus, if I can't record off it, what's the point of hooking it up to my Myth box?

[22:23:05]

wagnerrp:

jpabq: there you go, anyone selling you an HDPVR for over $200 is ripping you off

[22:23:15]

wagnerrp:

levander: record off what?

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levander:

wagnerrp: A Firewire cable box.

[22:23:40]

wagnerrp:

you use firewire as a channel changer, in lieu of IR

[22:23:46]

wagnerrp:

then just use analog capture like normal

[22:24:01]

jpabq:

wagnerrp, indeed.

[22:24:10]

mag0o:

:)

[22:24:35]

levander:

wagnerrp: Hmmm, not as good as ClearQAM (with the intermediary analog step), but not bad. Not bad at all...

[22:25:14]

jpabq:

iamlindoro, I think I got a better deal than mag0o. Mine only cost me 20 to 30 hours.

[22:25:14]

levander:

wagnerrp: Thanks, I'll call Comcast and see what the cheapest I can get a Firewire cable box for.

[22:25:43]

wagnerrp:

levander: the same price as any other HD cable box

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, heh... I try not to think about what mine has cost me

[22:25:49]

levander:

wagnerrp: Wait, on a cable box are they gonna do analog output for HD channels?

[22:26:00]

wagnerrp:

they MUST provide a firewire-capable cable box to you upon request at no additional charge

[22:26:03]

levander:

It's not like any TV I've seen has an analog HD input.

[22:26:21]

levander:

wagnerrp: But, MUST they provide it with analog outputs?

[22:26:23]

mag0o:

i think i got paid $0.30/hr

[22:26:36]

wagnerrp:

levander: youve never seen a TV with component inputs before? or VGA?

[22:26:47]

Beirdo:

yay. blister on foot

[22:26:47]

wagnerrp:

my samsung has both

[22:26:48]

jpabq:

levander, almost all HDTV have analog HD inputs.

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Beirdo:

gotta get better dang shoes

[22:26:59]

jpabq:

levander, in addition to HDMI

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levander:

Yeah okay, I'll find out what firewire boxes Comcast provides, then figure out how to hook it up to my TV now that I have the general idea. Thanks guys.

[22:28:39]

levander:

wagnerrp: Required to at no additional charge? Is that no additional charge over what you're currently paying, or no additional charge for what it would cost to get their chepest cable box, or no additional charge over what it would cost to get an HD cable box?

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wagnerrp:

correct, no additional charge from what what you would pay for a HD box without firewire support

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fryfrog:

part

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fryfrog:

nice

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fryfrog:

:)

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beata-:

using the interal player in mythvideo would it use vdpau? i am seeing loads of > .8 while playing no hd material any way to verify it?

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wagnerrp:

yes, the internal player will use VDPAU if you tell it to

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wagnerrp:

no, the system load is a measure of how many actively running programs you have, and has little bearing on how much actual CPU load you have

[22:39:14]

wagnerrp:

if you want to see whether VDPAU is working, you need to check the actual CPU load

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wagnerrp:

not the load average

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beata-:

hmm have sevral defunct mythfrontend's

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beata-:

thats odd

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beata-:

looks like its avg <10%

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wagnerrp:

a low CPU usage does not necessarily mean you are using VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to play?

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wagnerrp:

what processor do you have?

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beata-:

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz

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wagnerrp:

youre going to see low CPU consumption on any standard def, or HD mpeg2 content

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beata-:

yea im watching low def atm

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beata-:

xvid

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beata-:

il have to try hd feed next

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY thing you will need VDPAU for on that processor is bluray content

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beata-:

just wondering thats all im also loggin -v most atm which prob is driving up io threads

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wagnerrp:

and then only the higher end stuff

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to manage about 30mbps h264 on that in software

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beata-:

yea i kinda overbuilt it a bit

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beata-:

i have to spend some time this weekend see if i can figure out why my metadata is being wiped when i scan for changes

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oobe:

!trout oobe poo

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** MythLogBot slaps oobe with a poo trout on behalf of oobe... **

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jst_:

Hey, guys. Been trying for days to get MythTV to compile on Windows (I'm only interested in the front end). I emailed -users and -dev, but apparently nobody approved my messages for some reason. I wrote in trac and got scolded.

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jst_:

Should I just start dual-booting or what?

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[R]:

approved?

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iamlindoro:

You need to subscribe to the lists to send messages to them, there is no moderation done

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jst_:

iamlindoro, I did that. I get the digests.

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iamlindoro:

You asked for help in trac-- trac is not a support forum-- that's why your ticket got locked

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iamlindoro:

You said "nobody approved your messages," but there is no approval process

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jst_:

Yeah, I get that. But as far as the lists, that's strange, no?

[23:19:18]

iamlindoro:

if you are subscribed, then the messages will arrive

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jst_:

So 0.23 is just screwed then. :(

[23:20:22]

iamlindoro:

Works nicely here

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jst_:

On Windows?

[23:20:34]

iamlindoro:

Windows is really not officially suppoted

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jst_:

Yeah, which brings us full circle.

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iamlindoro:

It has moments of compiling and functioning, and that's about as far as any of us would say it works

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jst_:

Should I just dual-boot or do you think 0.23 will compile again on Windows some day?

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jst_:

Ahh, okay.

[23:21:16]

iamlindoro:

If you catch it at a time when it compiles and functions properly, that's great, but any other time, non of the Myth devs care too much about it

[23:21:26]

wagnerrp:

i havent seen any windows-compile messages on -users all day

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jst_:

Where could I find which revision numbers compile nicely?

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iamlindoro:

.23 will invariably compile on windows-- it could be tomorrow, it could be a month from now

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iamlindoro:

There's no reference for which revisions compile on windows

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wagnerrp:

and if you intend to be an active member on the mailing lists, please do not use digest mode

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jst_:

The default revision number is for 0.22. :(

[23:22:19]

wagnerrp:

its bad enough when you see people breaking threading due to a non-compliant mailer

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wagnerrp:

its worse when they do so because they intentionally never got the original email, and cant even bother to manually set the subject properly

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sphery:

or worse, when /I/ break threading due to the broken mailer the guy to whom I'm replying used (one which failed to include the In-Reply-To and References headers)

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jst_:

Could I modify the win32-packager.pl script to NOT compile the backend since that's what's giving me problems?

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sphery:

If you look at the archive, it seems that I break threading a /lot/--but it's always when I reply to someone whose mailer was broken

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iamlindoro:

The source is all yours, you can do anything you like with it

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wagnerrp:

you cant modify the win32-packager.pl script to not compile the backend

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jst_:

Just not sure how that would work with the installer option (-k).

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wagnerrp:

that script doesnt compile the backend in the first place for you to be able to disable it

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jst_:

I'll continue to play.

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wagnerrp:

it just runs 'make'

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288041.html

[23:45:05]

iamlindoro:

Someone tell that guy to upgrade to actual current .23-fixes since that was fixed several weeks ago

[23:46:07]

iamlindoro:

Not that that hasn't been covered in half a dozen tickets, dozens of ubuntu forum threads, and probably a trillion and a half times on the mailing lists

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wagnerrp:

done

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

Now that's teamwork ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah... im just going to walk away now

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wagnerrp:

(reminded of a tenacious d song)

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** wagnerrp even beats sphery on the mailing list **

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sphery:

yeah, I noticed that

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sphery:

but you had an advantage because OSU is a lot closer to OH than to FL, so your e-mail didn't have to travel as far

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** mag0o still puts bets on sphery for information retention **

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iamlindoro:

I'm closest to OSU, but my info had to pass through sphery and wagnerrp first ;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

mag0o: well, wagnerrp actually remembered that this particular issue was fixed... I just figured it was.

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sphery:

i'm losing my touch

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wagnerrp:

<schultz>i remember nothing</schultz>

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wagnerrp:

obviously no one else watched hogans heroes....

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it was i know nothing

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[R]:

or i see nothing

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