Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, May 7th, 2010, 00:01 AST

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dougt:

what does the "Transcode" button do in mythweb under the section "Queue a job: " on the tv/detail pages?

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[R]:

it starts mythtranscode

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wagnerrp:

issues mythtranscode using the defined profile

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wagnerrp:

there is no option to select which profile to use, as you can in the frontend

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dougt:

wagnerrp: what is the "defined" profile if none was set?

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wagnerrp:

dougt: its set by your recording rule

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wagnerrp:

i believe the default is 'autodetect'

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Beirdo:

hmmm, looking for VDPAU-able onboard video...

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Beirdo:

seems rare

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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[R]:

Beirdo: 9400m

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[R]:

Beirdo: its on my ion

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wagnerrp:

what cpu manu?

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Beirdo:

I'm not doing Ion :)

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[R]:

atom baby

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I don't care which, as long as it works in the end :)

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wagnerrp:

'atom' does not make CPUs

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Beirdo:

No Intel Atom. Thanks

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[R]:

oh manu

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[R]:

as in manufactuer

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

not as in man-o

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[R]:

Beirdo: you said "As long as it works"

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wagnerrp:

intel chips use 9-series onboard, amd chips use 8-series onboard

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[R]:

there needs to be a transcode button on the "recorded programs" mythweb page... that would rock

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** [R] pondres doing it **

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hmmm, seems Intel may win out then

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: why?

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Beirdo:

isn't vdpau 8800+?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Beirdo:

or am I just on crack

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

the 8800GTX, and 320/640-bit 8800GTS cards did not support VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

all other 8-series and later do

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

the ~8800 +

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

right

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Beirdo:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

of course you could always get your VAAPI stuff finished, and use ATI graphics

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** wagnerrp cracks the whip **

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Beirdo:

heh, I'll get it STARTED when I'm setup in Seattle, no worries

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Beirdo:

I barely got into the apt before getting sent here to Philly for 2 weeks

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

surprising they would send you out of town that long for training

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wagnerrp:

and to philly of all places, i would more expect they would send you to HQ

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Beirdo:

well it's training, and helping a coworker here :)

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Beirdo:

HQ is Seattle

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wagnerrp:

well there you go

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wagnerrp:

why are they sending you AWAY for training

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Beirdo:

but the product I'm supporting has most of the servers in Philly

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were based in california

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Beirdo:

nope

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wagnerrp:

yeah... mountain view, cali

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Beirdo:

no no, not Google :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

they said "meh, not this time" in the end. I'm with Marchex

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wagnerrp:

oh, but you ended up in seattle anyway?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

fun times :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: ever heard of Zotac mobos?

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wagnerrp:

only in the past year or two

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wagnerrp:

they seem to make decent stuff

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Beirdo:

hmm, K

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wagnerrp:

a lot of people have started using them for their ION boards

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wagnerrp:

theyre one of the few manus who puts out mini-itx stuff

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wagnerrp:

then and jetway... and id much rather buy zotac than jetway

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

hmm, LGA775.

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bobboau:

I'm trying to set up a separate front end back end configuration, haveing a bunch of problems, my first question is how do I operate the backend configuration software from a remote machine?

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bobboau:

or can I?

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wagnerrp:

VNC, x-forwarding, ...

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wagnerrp:

the long term plan is to move to a web-based setup, built into the backend

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wagnerrp:

maybe by 0.25

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bobboau:

even if no desktop environment is installed on the backend (is makeing the assumption that the mythbuntu backend only install does not install gnome)

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wagnerrp:

you MUST at least have the base X libraries to install the backend

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bobboau:

web interface would be quite cool

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wagnerrp:

it wont run without them

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wagnerrp:

which means you can just 'ssh -Y' into the machine remotely

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wagnerrp:

and run mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

ssh will handle all the necessary forwarding for you

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wagnerrp:

of course ssh is wholly unnecessary for internal network

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wagnerrp:

if you know what youre doing, you could set up your local X server for network access, handle the key exchange manually, and set the DISPLAY

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bobboau:

sweet, that got me into the config program, now my first 'real' problem, when ever I try to scan for channels it fails (very quickly)

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv?

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dougt:

wagnerrp: woot... i think I can have that HDPVR record at its max bit rate, and just have a transcoding for 1080i.

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bobboau:

what ever is bundled with mythbuntu 10.04

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wagnerrp:

bobboau: then you have likely set up your card wrong

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bobboau:

this is quite possible

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bobboau:

I have a HVR 1600, I have it set up currently as an IVTV on video0, default input is set to tuner1

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bobboau:

I origonaly tried V4L device

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be scanning a on video0

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wagnerrp:

but youre right using IVTV

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bobboau:

right

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wagnerrp:

for analog pull your lineup from schedules direct

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bobboau:

I'm signed up, on the trial atm, when I tell it to fetch it has a very fast progress bar and then nothing I'm assumeing it worked because it didn't say it failed

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bobboau:

'fetch chanels from listing source' has no vissable effect

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bobboau:

(ps is there a way to allow me to use my mouse to click on buttons and set focus to text boxes?)

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

hmm... i guess in the default settings, the mouse cursor is hidden

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wagnerrp:

dont know how you would change that

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bobboau:

well, I can deal with that later, so to recap, I just installed mythbuntu on an old computer with a new HVR1600 in it, I have the card setup as an IVTV type on video0 useing tuner 1. source is useing schedules direct 'retrieve lineups' seems to succeed. freq table is set to us-cable, when I get to input connections is when starts to fail hard, I select video0/tuner1, tell it to do a full scan and it finds nothing, if I tell

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bobboau:

it to fetch from listing source it does nothing

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wagnerrp:

you dont do a channel scan at all

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wagnerrp:

retrieve lineups in the source setup pulls a list of your lineups registered to your account

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wagnerrp:

after which you select one to go with the source

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wagnerrp:

only after you select a lineup will 'fetch channels from listings source' work

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bobboau:

wait, I have done nothing at schedules direct other than register... I need to tell it what I want don't I?

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wagnerrp:

login to your account at SD, and specify a lineup

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wagnerrp:

then select that lineup in your source setup

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bobboau:

ok, it seems to be doing 'something'...

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bobboau:

ok, sweet, looks like I got my channels, now I just need to get a front end hooked up to it

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bobboau:

is there anything other than the mythtv-frontend package (and it's dependencies) I need on the client machines?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

you may want the additional plugins and themes, if those arent already pulled in by mythbuntu

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bobboau:

I'll probably use a different frontend, like xbmc (I believe it supports mythtv, and works on windows), once I get the official frontend working, I honestly cant stand the myth interface

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dfletcher:

blasphemy! ;)

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wagnerrp:

when is the last time youve used it?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv looks vastly different than it did 6 months ago

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wagnerrp:

well... more like 8

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dfletcher:

heh also if you don't like it, theme it don't complain ;)

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bobboau:

about a month ago, when I tried (and failed) setting it up on the HTPC

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wagnerrp:

did you not like the interface? or did you not like the base theme?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Themes

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wagnerrp:

either way, we cannot recommend you use xmbc/mythbox in here, nor will we support you if you break mythtv by doing so

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wagnerrp:

mythbox does not perform any database schema checks

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wagnerrp:

so there is no guarantee it will not horribly hose something

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bobboau:

understood, if I break it after you help me getting the offical client working that's not your fault, and you can't well recomend an unoffical client in the offical help channel.

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wagnerrp:

its more than that, we wont help you if you use an unofficial client that does not perform protocol/schema checks to ensure its running commands against the proper version

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bobboau:

man mythfilldatabase takes a damn long time, I guess that's how I know it's working

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wagnerrp:

mythbox at least does protocol checks

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bobboau:

well, I'll certainly try out a few more themes, but unless they make vast changes to the interface I don't think it's going to help. incedently do you get a lot of complaints from people breaking things useing 3rd party clients?

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wagnerrp:

occasionally, and we direct them elsewhere

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k-man:

is there an irc channel that covers mythtv theme writing?

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wagnerrp:

#mythtv-theming

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wagnerrp:

bobboau: besides, mythbox claims to only support up to 0.22, and if you look into their code, their supported protocol versions confirm this

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wagnerrp:

it will not work against 0.23

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wagnerrp:

supporting 0.23 probably wont take more than a couple lines changed

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wagnerrp:

supporting 0.24 a couple months down the line will require some significant reworking of things

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bobboau:

well, then I guess that's a good reason to at least hold off, though I will need a client that can run well on windows, and won't strike fear into the hearts of my less technically inclined, WMC accustomed family members

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bobboau:

it does strike me as somewhat odd that mythtv doesn't seem (from the apparent fragility of the backend) to have a robust API for alternative clients

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wagnerrp:

it was never designed to

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wagnerrp:

having a static API means you cant improve on things as new needs arise

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wagnerrp:

the -fixes branches will not change from a single API, and alternate clients can target those for use

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bobboau:

no, it just means you increment the API major version number and drop support for older versions :)

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wagnerrp:

what do you think the protocol version is?

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k-man:

is there a way to reply to mailing list messages on gossamer threads?

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wagnerrp:

you can send an email of the same topic, but no, no real way to reply to emails you did not directly receive

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bobboau:

hrmm, it looks like the frontend in the mint 8 repository is incompatible with the backend in mythbuntu 10.04, this seems so obvious now that I'm looking at the error message...

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k-man:

wagnerrp: oh – i was the recipient originaly but deleted it from my system

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wagnerrp:

k-man: correct, but if you dont have the original email, you wont have the id necessary for proper threading

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k-man:

ah, oh well

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bobboau:

is it (will it) be possible to watch live (or as live as ever myth gets) tv vis the web interface using some sort of HTML5 streaming video magic?

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k-man:

i set up these scripts to delete old messages from the other myth mailing lists which have massive volume – when i subscribed to the theming one i set that one up too – but no need really as the volume is so low

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bobboau:

vis => via

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wagnerrp:

bobboau: currently there is no support for livetv or html5 streaming in mythweb

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bobboau:

is it planned?

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason either of them wouldnt be implemented, but neither of them are trivial undertakings

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wagnerrp:

more of a 'something to do if one of the devs gets from free time'

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wagnerrp:

theres only about a dozen of us active, and only two who actually commit to mythweb

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wagnerrp:

both of which have been inactive and busy with other areas of live recently

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wagnerrp:

s/live/life/

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bobboau:

well, if that gets done it wold certainly be cool, no one would ever have to configure a client anymore.

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wagnerrp:

well... if youre happy doing everything through a web browser

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt be much good for a HTPC you expect to control with a remote

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bobboau:

true, it wouldn't be an optimal solution for all situations, including the primary target application... though maybe a firefox plugin could bridge the gap

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dougt:

bobboau: i wrote a patch to get OGG support in mythweb but it was denied.

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dougt:

basically i think people are waiting until the backend manages multiple files.

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dougt:

as it is right now, mythweb calls out to ffmpeg (or whatever) to do on-the-fly transcoding for flv.

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dougt:

that is one reason why you can't jump around in the flash player

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dougt:

bobboau: the best approach would be just make a html5 webapp that uses the new python bindings on the backend.

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dougt:

not sure if the binding has everything, but it might.

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dfletcher:

interesting

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bobboau:

^agree

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dfletcher:

I thought about theming mythweb to make it more like what I want but that sounds just really cool

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dougt:

dfletcher: that is one way to do it... but mythweb does _ALOT_

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dfletcher:

yeah I use the settings tools all the time

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dougt:

really?

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dougt:

for what?

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dfletcher:

it's a new setup

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dfletcher:

channel disabling etc

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bobboau:

ok, well, my client is out of date, I guess the easiest way to fix that would be to just add the offical mythtv repo to my sources?

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dfletcher:

but I see how all those features are needed

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dfletcher:

oh also I was setting up events. easiser to see them in there

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dougt:

ah.

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dougt:

right.

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings would give you access to the files

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dougt:

oh.. are there ever mythtv meetups?

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wagnerrp:

but writing a web server AND setting up on-the-fly transcoding with streaming is far from trivial

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dfletcher:

writing a web server? can't it work with apache?

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dougt:

well, it isn't as hard as the rest of the stuff myth does.

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dougt:

(or at least I understand "setting up a webserver and doing on the fly transcoding" better than the rest of myth)

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wagnerrp:

the current (distant, far off, possibly never to be implemented) plan is to expand the internal transcoding to support more than mpeg4 and nuppelvideo, expand the streaming protocol to do such real time transcoding, and set up an internal html5 webpage using the internal web server

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wagnerrp:

at which point mythweb would basically just proxy access to it

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bobboau:

wait myth has it's own webserver implementation? without looking into it at all I had just assumed that the mythweb interface was implemented with PHP (or something) useing a plugin

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dfletcher:

yeah it is

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wagnerrp:

upnp requires a web server

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dfletcher:

it's in apache

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wagnerrp:

no, its in C++

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wagnerrp:

in the backend

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dfletcher:

mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

http://<backend ip>:6544

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dfletcher:

oh

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dfletcher:

oh right I've seen status from there

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wagnerrp:

the base page gives you a status page (which is mirrored by mythweb)

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wagnerrp:

the '/xml' page is the same thing in XML

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dougt:

wagnerrp: i would suggest keeping that "internal html5 webpage" using the bindings so that others can hack on it independently and build stuff that is better than the internal one

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dougt:

s/using/uses

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wagnerrp:

and '/Myth/<other crap>' is a bunch of other pages and calls for various other features

[02:19:15]

wagnerrp:

much of mythtv's content is already available through that internal server

[02:19:38]

wagnerrp:

and if you check the mythweb music streaming code, youll find its actually capable of streaming your music from the backend, rather than requiring direct file access

[02:20:39]

wagnerrp:

video and recording access could easily be set up similarly

[02:21:01]

wagnerrp:

the flash streaming would be a bit more difficult, as you would have to set up a file pipe into ffmpeg through the perl script

[02:22:02]

wagnerrp:

basically, theres a whole laundry list of features which would be great for mythtv to have

[02:22:05]

dougt:

wagnerrp: hopefully the script could pass offsets to that process so that you can do seeking.

[02:22:23]

dougt:

wagnerrp: indeed... it is already pretty cool and it can get cooler.

[02:22:28]

wagnerrp:

and in order to do it properly, they all have to be built on top of one another sequentially

[02:22:45]

wagnerrp:

were still down here at the bottom

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dougt:

wagnerrp: well... that new binding can allow alot of this to start happening now.

[02:23:05]

dougt:

"alot" == "some"

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wagnerrp:

the bindings can allow users to hack together some of this functionality on their own

[02:23:57]

wagnerrp:

but 'properly' implies integrating this stuff into the backend

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bobboau:

I just thought of something. the major problem with the HTML5 thing is it requires transcodeing, right? why can't the internal encodeing scheme be used? isn't most everything stored as basically an mpeg dump? can't that be streamed?

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wagnerrp:

html5 doesnt support any particular codec

[02:25:15]

wagnerrp:

and the browsers themselves are divided between theora and h264

[02:25:32]

wagnerrp:

nothing mythtv uses would produce theora

[02:25:41]

wagnerrp:

and only HDPVR output and some DVB recordings would be h264

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bobboau:

exactly, as long as the end user has the codec available it can be streamed (iirc)

[02:25:52]

wagnerrp:

no, the browser has to support it

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wagnerrp:

and no one is using external APIs to do so

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wagnerrp:

it has to be theora or h264

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bobboau:

well what does myth typicaly store it's video as?

[02:27:03]

dougt:

bobboau: there is probably always going to be transcoding.

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers will be mjpeg or mpeg4 in a nuv, everything else will be whatever the card outputs

[02:27:36]

wagnerrp:

IVTV, ATSC, firewire, and some of DVB will be mpeg2 in an mpeg2ts

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wagnerrp:

HDPVR and some of DVB will be h264 in an mpeg2ts

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dougt:

wagnerrp: is there a development roadmap. (i know about http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap), but you mentioned that some of this stuff builds on other pieces.

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bobboau:

ah, ok, myth just stores a raw dump.

[02:28:35]

wagnerrp:

dougt: no, no real roadmap... just discussions between developers

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dougt:

are there monthly meetings or is everything ad hoc / irc

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wagnerrp:

ad hoc

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wagnerrp:

besides not being proper format, the purpose of streaming in mythweb (and mythweb in general) is for use over the internet

[02:29:54]

wagnerrp:

very few people are going to have the 10–20mbps of upstream to handle the raw HD recordings

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dougt:

(or possibly the CPU either)

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bobboau:

it would be of use on a lan though.

[02:31:57]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: i am going to put in a schema update helper in the form of a decorator function

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dougt:

wagnerrp: gnite.

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dougt:

zzz

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, very cool! ping me when you've got something that works against 23+fixes and I'll test

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wagnerrp:

well it will be version independent (has to be since its going to be updating the database)

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dfletcher:

right I just mean trac patch. heh I guess I can just paste it in old-school. whatever just let me know

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toeb:

Hi, i'm looking for an hdtv capable DVB-C usb device, google makes me crazy... none of them is working on linux...

[02:51:11]

toeb:

or i'm way to stupid to find any, which are confirmed to work :-/

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wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_USB_Devices

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wagnerrp:

hehe... 'DVD DTV capture card'

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toeb:

yep, been there, but those devices are either not available or rather old... so no hd...

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dfletcher:

heh wagnerrp I have the perfect test too. want to add a key to my db table to avoid dupes and speed up the the "done this already" preflight check

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toeb:

was hoping someone was in here who would tell me he is using device X and its working great! ;-)

[03:03:42]

wagnerrp:

a bit early for most of the european crowd

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wagnerrp:

and even then, most people are going to be using internal cards, rather than usb

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toeb:

wagnerrp: i already have two internal cards, i'm out of pci slots :-(

[03:09:43]

wagnerrp:

add a second backend?

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toeb:

i don't have any spare hardware to build a second one... having a working usb device would be nice, easy and cheap :-)

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: heres what im thinking currently... http://mythtv.pastebin.com/VTM8t0Nw

[03:14:10]

dfletcher:

brilliant!

[03:14:32]

wagnerrp:

i should add some sort of locking, and lock checking

[03:15:21]

wagnerrp:

and possibly confirm an upgrade first if the terminal is interactive

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wagnerrp:

the backend does that

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know how it figures out that its an interactive terminal

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wagnerrp:

as it is, it currently provides logging and error handling

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dfletcher:

good start

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know quite what to do if it fails mid-update

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wagnerrp:

first command runs, second command fails

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wagnerrp:

but then if you try again, the first command was already performed and now it fails too

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dfletcher:

hrm well you could just pass a db object in

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dfletcher:

or a cursor even

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wagnerrp:

normally you would make the update transactional

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dfletcher:

yeah I suppose the bindings could help with that

[03:17:56]

wagnerrp:

so if any part of the transaction failed, you would roll it back

[03:18:18]

wagnerrp:

but the normal database manager used by mythtv does not support that

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wagnerrp:

oh... make a database backup prior to run

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wagnerrp:

need to do that

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dfletcher:

good idea

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dfletcher:

heh I opened up a rabbit hole here :)

[03:19:31]

wagnerrp:

not my idea, merely trying to reproduce the SchemaUpdateWizard class

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dfletcher:

heh smart, mirror the features of the core scheama system

[03:22:20]

wagnerrp:

its actually the core class turned inside out

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pho01:

hi guys, i'm absolutely new to mythtv and i would be very thankfull for help

[03:27:34]

pho01:

i'm dealing with mythgames in mythbuntu 10.04

[03:28:03]

pho01:

i have installed sdlmame, downloaded some roms and set directories in frontend

[03:28:36]

pho01:

my problem is that when i hit button scan for games, it finds nothing

[03:29:07]

pho01:

i have checked log for frontend and there is no info about this action

[03:29:15]

pho01:

can you guys help me, please?

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jb_:

pho01, are the roms ziped or rared or anything like that ?

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jb_:

pho01, can you run the roms out side the mythtv-frontend ?

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, is raising StopIteration a bit awkward? hmm sometimes python throws more exceptions than I'm comfortable with maybe that's just normal?

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wagnerrp:

'StopIteration' is the standard exception raised when exiting an iterator

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dfletcher:

ok

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pho01:

jb, they are zipped

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wagnerrp:

i could rework it slightly, have you 'yield' the responses, and it would get thrown automatically

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pho01:

i have no problem to run it outside

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dfletcher:

well wagnerrp yield would sheld implementor from details and if nothing else it's terse ;)

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justinh:

toeb: the thing about HD & digital tuners is this: HD has nothing to do with the tuner as such. If the tuner can resolve streams (i.e. DVB-T if it's a DVB-T tuner, DVB-C is it's a DVB-C tuner etc) then it'll do HD too

[03:49:23]

justinh:

so a dvb-c tuner doesn't HAVE to be 'HD'

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justinh:

if it can work with your cable provider, you'll get it all, SD & HD

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justinh:

likewise, people are selling 'HD@ DVB-T tuners. But they're no use to us in the UK because our HD is DVB-T2 – and there are no tuners available for computers for that system yet – only DVB-T2 ;-)

[03:51:41]

justinh:

but for your cable provider, just about any old dvb-c tuner will work – unless the cable company do something really funky with the streams

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wagnerrp:

justinh: not quite true

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justinh:

it all depends on the modulation the cable company uses

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wagnerrp:

according to devinheitmuller, some older devices simply didnt have the bandwidth to handle HD content

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wagnerrp:

they effectively were not fully DVB compliant

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justinh:

ahh well.. that's a different kettle of fish

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justinh:

the same applies for a lot of older DVB tuners too

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wagnerrp:

he corrected me on that one time

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justinh:

I'm talking in general terms. You're not likely to run into that issue with new hardware

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wagnerrp:

true

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justinh:

I think it mostly affected the 'fully featured' card types

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justinh:

but yes, it's probably worth exercising caution – but generally a DVB tuner doesn't *have* to specify that it's 'HD compatible' to work with HD

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wagnerrp:

ATSC devices all claim it anyway

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justinh:

heh well ATSC was invented for HD so that's no big surprise

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wagnerrp:

i was informing some user that '1080i support' was meaningless for a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

when i was corrected about the (crappy) old dvb cards

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justinh:

I bet you have to go back a way to encounter problems with bandwidth on tuners though

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justinh:

yeah a lot of earlier cards are useless for multirec for the same reason

[03:59:12]

justinh:

that or a lack of decent PID filtering

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justinh:

quite pitiful when you consider the bitrates we're talking about. up to 10mbits versus under 40 mbits

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wagnerrp:

well you know, back in the 90s, that was a lot

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justinh:

had fun last night. got given a job of swapping an external camera on a double-decker bus

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justinh:

*long* day

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justinh:

the old one's mountings were held on with silicon sealant & I'd not taken a hammer & chisel along with me. Resorted to a big flat blade screwdriver & my car's jack to prise it off. lol

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justinh:

(c) Bodgit & Scarper

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justinh:

you'd have thought the bus garage would've had a small hammer.. but no

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wagnerrp:

they do no maintenance there?

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justinh:

they do, but the size of hammers they use... I could hardly lift them let alone swing one

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wagnerrp:

heh

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justinh:

hope nobody saw me whacking the camera mount with a car jack... most unprofessional ;-)

[04:07:29]

wagnerrp:

you mean tire iron?

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justinh:

no, that was way too light

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wagnerrp:

im trying to figure out what kind of jack you could actually manage to swing like a hammer

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dfletcher:

what's up gordon freeman :P

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wagnerrp:

i would think even one of those small scissor type jacks would be too heavy

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justinh:

nah, it was just right

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justinh:

didn't need much

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** dfletcher found a pic of justinh http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/games/wallpap . . . -freeman.jpg **

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justinh:

hmmm. I can think of a few zombies I'd like to hit with a crowbar

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justinh:

s/zombies/managers/

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pho01:

nobody is dealing with problem of non functional game scan for mame roms<

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pho01:

?

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justinh:

never used mythgame

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justinh:

usual drill though. check directory & file permissions etc

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justinh:

if ever something doesn't show up where you think it should, check your permissions etc first

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wagnerrp:

mythgame has no special handling for any type of emulator

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wagnerrp:

if the scanning is not working properly, you have misconfigured it

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dfletcher:

bedtime for me catch me tomorrow for testing wagnerrp. good night.

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toeb:

justinh: didn't know that, but some of the devices are only capable of usb 1, which would not be sufficient for all transmission rates right?

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wagnerrp:

very old ones may be only 1.1

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wagnerrp:

its pretty rare to find anything thats actually 1.0

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toeb:

ok, so wikipedia tells me usb.1.1 does 12 Mbit/s... i always thought it is possible to have hd streams with more than 12Mbit/s via cable...

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gbee:

it is

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toeb:

so i do need usb 2.0, dvb-c + linux support

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gbee:

yeah, USB 1 is totally unsatisfactory for DVB, or ATSC for that

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AndyCap:

toeb: pick any 2? :)

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gbee:

if you chose a USB tuner

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toeb:

AndyCap: you mean any would work work with linux?

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AndyCap:

toeb: no, either usb+dvb-c or usb+linux or linux+dvb-c. :)

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AndyCap:

but I seem to recall one USB DVB-C tuner with some linux support and a CI slot

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justinh:

USB 1 is even no real use for SDTV

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justinh:

I mean what use is a single tuner that won't let you pull a whole multiplex ? ;-)

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toeb:

Yes I think the Sundtek MediaTV Pro would work, but this is compared to others a bit expansive and also has only a binary driver. I dont want to support that

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AndyCap:

toeb: well, I think there was one beside the evil one. don't remember if it was terratec or pctv .

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AndyCap:

toeb: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /032464.html

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AndyCap:

so no a good option

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AndyCap:

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.driver . . . ucture/19043

[04:46:45]

AndyCap:

or maybe.

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AndyCap:

oh, wow, from today. :)

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toeb:

AndyCap: this is looking pretty promising :-)

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drindt:

where to check if mythfilldatabase is really running automatically? on mine system it doesnt run automatically. how to enable? myth docs told me that it should run every 24h but doesnt do that.

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justinh:

mythtv-setup is where the setting is now AFAIK. the setting used to be in mythfrontend settings

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drindt:

justinh: i will check it, thanks

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justinh:

in mythfrontend it was in utils/setup > settings > general IIRC

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justinh:

no idea where it is now if it's moved to mythtv-setup

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drindt:

i have a Pinnacle PCTV 73A myth-setup detects that this card can recording 2 channels at once is that right?

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justinh:

possibly even more than that. you can crank up the settings to allow 5 simultaneous recordings from one tuner

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justinh:

more if you hack the source code. I once had 10 recordings going at the same time from one tuner

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drindt:

justinh: from same device?

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justinh:

one tuner == same device

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drindt:

this is only working with dvb-t right?

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justinh:

DVB

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justinh:

it'd work with any digital TV system where more than one channel is broadcast on the same frequency

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drindt:

i tested it now and seems really they can record from 2 channels at same time

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drindt:

that means i should take aware using 2 channels when i cant ensure that they run on same frequency?

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justinh:

mythtv won't let you do that if you don't have enough real hardware tuners

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drindt:

a test can be record from one channel and switch through all live tv channels and check after if the record is broken?

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drindt:

i assume it doesnt matter then to higer this value? or i missunderstand you?

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justinh:

mythtv won't let you retune to another frequency if a recording is in progress

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grumpydevil:

there is a limitation to take into account when you have a CAM installed

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grumpydevil:

most CAM are limited to the number of simultanous decryptions, it is either 1 or 2

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justinh:

yeah but how much pay TV is worth having? ;-)

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pho01:

is tehere anybody who runs mythbuntu on asrock 330HT?

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justinh:

who knows. maybe somebody does

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justinh:

try asking a real question instead :)

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Nidhoegger:

whats the prob pho01

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pho01:

is there any problem with included remote control from asrock or it works perfectly?

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pho01:

or is there any issue with asrocks?

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justinh:

oh *that* is what the asrock 330ht is. Buh

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justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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justinh:

whee look I can use google!

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justinh:

searched for 'asrock 330ht lirc' :)

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pho01:

i'm just asking because i considering migration from xbmc, so that was more general question...

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justinh:

does the remote work in linux with xbmc? if so it should work with mythtv just fine with the right config file (lircrc)

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pho01:

as far as i know it should be working, so let's hope :)

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justinh:

as far as you know it should be working.. that doesn't mean it DOES work, though

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pho01:

there are some issues, i have no personal experience with lirc so that's why i wrote "should"

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justinh:

if it comes down to a worst case scenario (where the IR won't work) you can always just buy an MCE remote kit

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drindt:

justinh: i can record from up to 5 tuner, but got then a channel lock, so my question is myth can handle this when i setup new recordings? or they detect the channel lock firt time on recording?

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waxhead:

hi everyone

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ver:

hi dr waxhead

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dto:

hi. i'm using mythtv on compiz. but mythtv won't go totally fullscreen----the gnome-panel is still visible, and the very bottom (i.e. gnome panel sized strip) is cut off

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oobe:

lol good luck with that then

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justinh:

sack compiz

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justinh:

seem to remember something about a 'compatibility mode' – but even then it's fraught with problems

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justinh:

just give compiz the boot :)

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justinh:

it's not as if compiz actually adds much to the desktop experience anyway. Oooo desktop effects.. WHO CARES?

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sulx:

just like car. doesn't matter how it looks if it runs fine?

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sulx:

tho thats matter of opinion...

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drindt:

whats wrong here http://pastebin.com/Ent4pn1X ? the file is existing, but seems it cant be deleted...

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justinh:

possibly a permissions issue

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justinh:

or the files don't actually exist

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drindt:

the file exists, permission issue? mythbackend runs as root

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justinh:

hmmm. can I report a webspace seller to trading standards?

[09:07:13]

Dibblah:

You can report anyone to trading standards.

[09:14:53]

justinh:

shopped uk2.net for mis-advertising

[09:15:28]

justinh:

buy 12 months, get 12 months free they say – but the checkout price is for 2 years

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justinh:

talked to a service droid about it & they said the same, basically denying the offer existed. I'm not putting up with that

[09:16:35]

justinh:

probably a good indicator of what their service is actually like, so maybe a lucky escape

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suffice:

clear

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markl_:

good morning!

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dto:

hi. i can't seem to get fullscreen mythtv. the window is full size but offset by the size of the gnome-panel. other windows go fullscreen without problems, covering the panel. but part of the mythtv window is cut off at the bottom because of the panel at the top.

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justinh:

turn off compiz :-)

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dto:

i already tried that

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dto:

it didn't do anything

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dto:

i bought this new video card especially for compiz :)

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dto:

anything else i can do justinh?

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justinh:

you wasted your time then, if you plan to use mythfrontend as well

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dto:

mythtv is not compatible with compiz? the window cannot be moved?

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justinh:

it's never been compatible with compiz. it's not designed to be a desktop add

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dto:

i guess i could try moovida. it seems not to have the same problem.

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justinh:

I tried moovida once. and its predecessor. only once

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gbee:

actually he just needs to use 0.23

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jya:

dto: you do not have to disable compiz (this is not an option), if you go in the compiz settings, you'll see something like "enable backward compatibility mode' or something to that extent. Check that. The menu will disappear when you start mythtv

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gbee:

it is a compiz bug, but one that doesn't (or shouldn't present) with 0.23 and maybe a recent 0.22-fixes, I can't remember if it was backported

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jya:

gbee: it's more like their default behaviour ha s slightly changed...

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justinh:

always funny how nobody comes in with an answer til somebody comes in with an old answer :)

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PeaceKeeper:

My lirc changed from /dev/lircd to /var/run/lirc/lird with last update. Can I tell myth where the new location is?

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justinh:

PeaceKeeper: check your lirc config options – generally /etc/lircd.conf or /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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gbee:

I came in with an answer about the same time I came into the room

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jya:

same here :)

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markl_:

dto: hmm i have seen that before

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dto:

it works.

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markl_:

which myth distro are you using?

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justinh:

which myth distro would ship with compiz enabled? :-O

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PeaceKeeper:

justinh: awesome. I will look now. Thx!

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jya:

ubuntu does... I like it... Installed 10.04 on my new macbook pro, was very pleased on how easy it went.. everything (almost) worked foirst go, and it's a very slick UI

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jya:

but not a myth distro as such

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gbee:

compiz are assuming that every app has been updated to include recent(ish) addition of a fullscreen window flag to X, anything based on QT3 as an example wouldn't have that support

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gbee:

0.22 should have be fine, but before release the fixes I added were broken again and it went unnoticed until a couple of months ago

[10:33:02]

** gbee was slightly miffed **

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dto:

markl_: i'm using ubuntu 10.04 . the workarounds checkbox worked. thank you all :)

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gbee:

dto: mythfrontend --version

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dto:

someone inform the folks on #mythtv , apparently they don't know or care about the workaround

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jya:

doesn't 10.04 comes with 0.23rc1 or 2 ?

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dto:

MythTV Version : 24158

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dto:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-23-fixes

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markl_:

cool

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markl_:

well #mythtv is more for development, this is more for end user issues

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jya:

dto: #mythtv is a developer channel, why would they care of your particular local problem?

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markl_:

if you find a bug that they can fix, there is a bug tracker

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jya:

despite, you got your answer.. so chill out

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markl_:

jya: who needs to chill out?

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jya:

dto :)

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markl_:

heh ok, hard to tell how serious someone is on chat

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markl_:

i used to hate emoticons, but i am really getting to appreciate them lately

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markl_:

especially when i try to email about politics with my opposite-side-of-the-aisle friends & family

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jya:

yeah, you can say whatever you want as long as it is followed with a :)

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gbee:

dto: what does the frontend log say, should be something like: "Using Full Screen Window"

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jya:

like: you moron :)

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dto:

markl_: i got reprimanded for asking on #mythtv

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dto:

as if no developer could possibly be concerned about how mythtv interacts with compiz

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gbee:

dto: it's a problem as old as compiz itself

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jya:

gbee: didn't you fix that one btw? (or someone else) , I remember seeing a log about this a few weeks ago

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dto:

gbee: yes, it says Using Full Screen Window

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dto:

gbee: i got it to work.

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dto:

using a compiz option

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jya:

dto: if you are using ubuntu, this is in their FAQ I believe..

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gbee:

jya: it was fixed for the _second_ time a few weeks back, the first being a year ago, but apparently it's been broken yet again or the new fix is wrong, I need to poke sphery iirc

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dto:

i probably should have looked there first instead of mythtv,

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jya:

gbee: I honestly wouldn't have noticed, I always disable compiz

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gbee:

otherwise it really is a QT bug, we're correctly setting the fullscreen flag and compiz is just ignoring it

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jya:

dto: it's more a ubuntu issue, if you were using 8.10 and above, you wouldn't have had the problem

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jya:

just like since I use 9.04, I have the mouse cursor showing after a call to xrandr

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gbee:

jya: none of the devs afaik use compiz, and given the relatively low number of complaints, few users

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jya:

no idea why

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gbee:

it's not really something you need installed on a dedicated frontend

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jya:

gbee: I got a brand new macbook pro a few days ago, comes with 256MB of GPU ram, so compiz + myth wouldn't be an option anyway.. I had to disable OpenGL to get vdpau working without running out of ram

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jya:

8gig of ram, yet 256MB of GRAM :(

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stib:

Hi- I'd like to install the 0.23 build- do I just download the tarballs and configure;make;make install, or is there more I should do?

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jya:

stib: depending on your distribution, you may find it's already been compiled and much easier to install

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jya:

if using debian / ubuntu : do sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv

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jya:

then run ./configure && make

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jya:

pretty much it

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stib:

jya: thanks, it's ubuntu, so apt-get it is.

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jya:

stib: which version of ubuntu ?

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jya:

cause 10.04 already comes with 10.04

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jya:

hum

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jya:

with 0.23 :P

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stib:

I'm currently upgrading to lucid as I speak

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jya:

well, then you'll be upgraded to 0.23 as well

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stib:

oh, cool. That'll save some work.

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stib:

thanks

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jya:

tad late here... will head to be.. Good night everyone

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gbee:

well an RC of 0.23 anyway

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm I still can seem to get mythtv to look at /var/run/lirc/lircd for lircd instead of /dev/lircd

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PeaceKeeper:

I see a note about it on the wiki, not I just need to figure how to fix it

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PeaceKeeper:

:D

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PeaceKeeper:

where can I find the "LircSocket" settings?

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iamlindoro:

We really REALLY need to implement some sort of wiki security

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iamlindoro:

all this spam seems to be coming from the same source

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iamlindoro:

captcha, link limiting, something

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iamlindoro:

trivia questions about myth...

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wagnerrp:

captcha only works if its a bot

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wagnerrp:

are they coming from the same address block? or block of addresses?

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iamlindoro:

Not visible to my admin level

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iamlindoro:

Given the hundreds that we have dealt with in the past few months, it seems reasonable that it is automated

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wagnerrp:

seems 'mythvidexport.py' has gone largely unnoticed

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok I have look everywhere I camn think of to change the Mythfrontend Lirc socket location and I can not find it

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sphery:

gbee: I'd guess it's either that the guy is using an older revision (prior to [23765]). Anyone know what revision of 0.23-fixes is in Ubuntu 10.04 (before any auto-builds are enabled)?

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sphery:

gbee: if not that, it may be http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8121#comment:3

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PeaceKeeper:

I did a ln-s /var/run/lirc/lircd lircd in /dev but it does not stick after reboot

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sphery:

gbee: though the call to setWindowState(Qt::WindowFullScreen) works for me (on GNU/Linux) even if it's before setWindowFlags(flags)

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iamlindoro:

Wow... I am generally skeptical of hype, but Chrome is dang fast

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johnnyj:

sphery: MythTV 0.23 build 24104

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johnnyj:

but that's the same as a rev # is it ?

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johnnyj:

er – NOT

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sphery:

yeah, that would mean they have the patch in default Lucid

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sphery:

thanks

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sphery:

heh: "I've an old, but working Hard disk (80gb), and I want backup without compression some films (divx, avi, ..)."

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sphery:

without compression

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sphery:

and 80GB :)

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sphery:

s/films/film or part of one film/

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wagnerrp:

well obviously, they dont want to recompess beyond what they were when they were originally downloaded

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johnnyj:

so sorry to end my no nagging streak, but sphery did you get a chance to read the email I sent ya with the pastebin?

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sphery:

not yet

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sphery:

it likely went into my "Unidentified" folder

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: do you by any chance have a HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, that was 24024, not 124

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: yes

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johnnyj:

single tuner

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johnnyj:

and HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

dont worry about it, youre past the revert

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PeaceKeeper:

I font the LircSocket on general setup. I case anyone else has this issue :)

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wagnerrp:

you font the LircSocket....

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wagnerrp:

found?

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PeaceKeeper:

oops found**

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PeaceKeeper:

I was too excited and messed up that whole sentence

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johnnyj:

sphery: im actually over it – I think I'll just require that a dummy tuner device be entered with the "file:/" and I'll trim it off to probe it

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sphery:

so you figured it out?

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sphery:

haven't dug through my unidentified folder

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sphery:

btw, if you want me to actually see future e-mails, make sure Myth is in the subject

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** wagnerrp starts sending sphery spam... 'breaking the myth that penis growth pills dont work' **

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sphery:

(otherwise, I'm not likely to see it until up to a week later when I go through my spam folder--actually this one being Pending

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that one won't go in :)

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iamlindoro:

Suspect he has rules that would handle that :)

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sphery:

yep

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johnnyj:

ha

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wagnerrp:

i guess people dont hit that google error page often

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt seem to have been updated in nearly 10 years

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sphery:

which google error page?

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wagnerrp:

still has the look of the original google

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wagnerrp:

error 502

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/google_error.png

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

that came up trying to access youtube

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markl_:

wagnerrp: cool does it have the linux-specific search like the original main google page?

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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markl_:

i think that is why i have always liked google so much (and why i get so mad when they do anti-linux stuff)

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markl_:

i think it was the first google search page that had a separate entry field for linux searches

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markl_:

not sure why they did it that way

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wagnerrp:

guess i never used it that far back

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J-e-f-f-A:

I personally hate how all search engines remove punctuation, even if you quote the string — try searching for "http:///" – and you'll get millions of hits on "http"... duh!

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sphery:

no joke

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johnnyj:

i heard someone say BING meant Because It's Not Google

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markl_:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah

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sphery:

and don't allow you to say, "don't modify my search"

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: or, when they auto-correct your spelling--even when you're not spelling things wrong

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markl_:

J-e-f-f-A: i'm sure there is a way to make it search literally

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yep.

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: so, like when Apple first announced the iPad, you couldn't Google it because they auto-corrected iPad to iPod

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markl_:

but i have never taken the time to figure it out

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J-e-f-f-A:

markl_: I tried escaping things, regular expressions, etc, with no sucvcess...

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J-e-f-f-A:

success even...

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sphery:

You had to do +iPad -iPod, so you would get only the pages that mentioned iPad but did /not/ mention iPod

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sphery:

annoying

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sphery:

even just +iPad got corrected to iPod

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sphery:

IMHO, a computer that thinks it's smarter than me had better actually be smarter than me

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: <eliza> And how does that make you feel? </eliza>

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sphery:

heh

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markl_:

heh

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wagnerrp:

when did youtube start offering 1080p video?

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J-e-f-f-A:

1080p??? yikes...

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iamlindoro:

a few months ago

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sphery:

yeah, nothing like watching some kid fall off a skateboard in HDTV

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sphery:

I'll tear down my antenna, immediately--this completely replaces network TV

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sphery:

and all those poor suckers paying for cable are going to love it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep, and those 10-minute segments are awesome...

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sphery:

and the 3min of prebuffering

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johnnyj:

not with Speedboost(tm)

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sphery:

heh

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johnnyj:

which on my system causes tcp segment retransmission to spike

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wagnerrp:

why do i read sites like gizmodo and get bothered when commenters have no idea what theyre talking about?

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wagnerrp:

ive been around the internet a few times, i should know better than to expect anything of them

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://xkcd.com/386/ ?

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wagnerrp:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

some article about someone building their own (visibly well made) NAS in a machine shop

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johnnyj:

sphery: this one made me think i was being spied upon – http://xkcd.com/140/

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

'this would be great if i had decent internet'... what? going to spend $40k filling it up off itunes?

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sphery:

I /love/ it when my paired foods get finished together

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wagnerrp:

'i bet he uses it for video editing'... not with a soft raid card and an atom that only manages 88mb/s

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johnnyj:

sphery: there's this rush of completion that passes over one

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm sure that's what he meant. I mean, how else would you get media off the Internet?

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wagnerrp:

certainly youre not going to blab about pirating the content with a registered account

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: http://xkcd.com/654

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that would be as stupid as posting a script that's obviously designed to parse file names of stolen videos onto a Google Code account registered in your own name

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: ha – if I had the ingredients, i'd already be screening calls

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the really annoying thing about the YouTube 1080p announcement is all the articles that were posted by seemingly serious people, including some actual journalists, that said it was the answer they were looking for and that now cable TV is dead--as they talked about how it saved them $100/mo on TV

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wagnerrp:

youtube did?

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sphery:

no, people around the 'net did

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sphery:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source . . . amp;gs_rfai=

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wagnerrp:

well at least the journalists were mainly saying switch over to hulu

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sphery:

true, but hulu doesn't work, either

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sphery:

I mean, it doesn't give you what people watch on cable

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sphery:

so it's basically the same argument as "MythTV saved me $100/mo on cable... (when I dropped cable and started using an antenna for OTA)"

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sphery:

I'm saving $100/mo on cable by /choosing/ to forego the shows on cable. It has nothing to do with MythTV

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johnnyj:

i dont save $$ on cable – myth is about controlling the interface and limiting the ads for me

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

and in many cases--especially now--people still have to pay for the cable STB's, even if they use Myth

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johnnyj:

that'd be me

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johnnyj:

and now I enjoy working to contribute to it

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yeah, I'm in that boat now with Dish, and will be also when I switch to FiOS HD...

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sphery:

johnnyj: exactly--that's the best reason to use MythTV (because you want to make it do things you want it to do)

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johnnyj:

i also like helping others get it working – the guy that introduced me to it in 2005 is now amazed at my setup

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** J-e-f-f-A is reminded that he needs to get working on more LCD enhancements... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: me too. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

what is with people's incessant need to run mythbackend on a virtual machine?

[14:12:47]

iamlindoro:

gluttons for punishment

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J-e-f-f-A:

and/or they are afraid of Linux?

[14:13:29]

wagnerrp:

is linux incapable of running more than one daemon at a time?

[14:13:48]

wagnerrp:

so you have to virtualize it into separate machines so each linux system is only running one server process?

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: i always assume they are after flash plugins in windows

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johnnyj:

that's the only use case I can see

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wagnerrp:

flash plugins in windows? what does that have to do with virtual machines?

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johnnyj:

so they don't want to run 2 physical boxes and yet they want windows

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wagnerrp:

linux runs flash just fine

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iamlindoro:

I don't think he said he wanted to run windows?

[14:16:06]

wagnerrp:

no, hes running virtualbox with linux as both the client and host OS

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johnnyj:

that would seem odd

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wagnerrp:

my microwave is broken

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wagnerrp:

seems it will only run for a couple seconds before shutting itself down

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wagnerrp:

its like its detecting an overheat or something

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bjd:

microwave leak or something? :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: my microwave is 20 years old and still kicking... (1300W even...)

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** guysoft42 is building a debian-based live cd for a multimedia center – any suggestions what desktop system would be the best? **

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wagnerrp:

desktop system?

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j-rod:

johnnyj: fyi, I was already out the door last night when you were helping that guy w/lirc, so you were in the clear ;)

[14:41:54]

johnnyj:

ha

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wagnerrp:

so does this guy somehow think that presenting less memory to mythtv will somehow make it require less memory?

[14:43:30]

johnnyj:

j-rod do we know if he got his blaster working

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johnnyj:

?

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** wagnerrp waits for help requests for MythTV OOMing one someones backend VM allocated only 256MB of memory **

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justinh:

heh I realised the other day I should forget all about VMs cos I've not got enough ram in the machine

[14:45:41]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Filthy Windows lover!

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justinh:

there's enough ram for one mysql server, mythbackend & the rest.. none spare for another machine with its own ram ;)

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** justinh whacks ubuntu over the head with a big hammer. No I DO NOT want to restart now. Go away **

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wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, ive got my backend, sql server, web server, and a handful of other things partitioned into containers

[14:47:13]

wagnerrp:

its not a full VM, so i dont have all that system overhead

[14:47:24]

wagnerrp:

but the lack of ability to use shared memory is really killing me on 2GB of memory

[14:47:29]

justinh:

now I'm just baffled

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sphery:

iamlindoro: You know me... As soon as that $1M check from MS cleared, I was happy to go through all the Windows compile issues. They /really/ wanted MythTV to work on Windows.

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iamlindoro:

Sell out!

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justinh:

anyway I found a nice cheap host in the states or something. far better value than UK peeps

[14:49:08]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: every man is a whore, we just happened to find sphery's price

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j-rod:

johnnyj: no clue if he got it working all the way, sounded like he found the right config tho

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what thread is this?

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johnnyj:

j-rod – i tried to leverage your love of the iPad to get it past my financial planner but to no avail

[14:50:44]

j-rod:

heh

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johnnyj:

there's rumor of a better version in October and i suppose we're waiting

[14:50:58]

johnnyj:

i've done no research on this

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j-rod:

that was my wife's reasoning to wait a bit for our second one

[14:51:31]

j-rod:

(yes, I believe she already thinks we need another one)

[14:51:32]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any comment on this? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288174.html?

[14:51:46]

wagnerrp:

my assumption is he still just doesnt have mythvideo set up properly

[14:51:55]

wagnerrp:

regardless of what he says otherwise

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm committing some of the patches off #8121 (windows fixes)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: That seems correct, he got metadata because MythVideo has built-in fallbacks to the defaults

[14:53:14]

wagnerrp:

oh, so thats only falls back on first use then?

[14:53:18]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: But if he wants it to work with your script, he needs to go into the settings at least once and ok them

[14:53:35]

wagnerrp:

if hes never down anything with tv shows, those wont have been set?

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iamlindoro:

Mythvideo just falls back, it doesn't set the DB value

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iamlindoro:

so the error from the python script is correct

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iamlindoro:

It's designed to make MythVideo work even if the user hasn't gone and set grabber scripts

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wagnerrp:

should the bindings be doing that?

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iamlindoro:

Your choice, It's actually a nicety that predates my involvement, but when I added all the new grabber stuff I kept the fallback

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wagnerrp:

i would need to figure out a way to find ${PREFIX} if i wanted to do that...

[14:56:23]

wagnerrp:

probably something i should have anyway

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iamlindoro:

But the user in question should definitely go configure his grabbers regardless

[14:56:55]

wagnerrp:

replied as such, thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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** sphery hopes his changing includes in mythbackend's main didn't just break compilation for anyone **

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sphery:

works for me, but...

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wagnerrp:

ok... the bindings now provide a more descriptive error for the grabbers not being defined

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** iamlindoro changes "Ports – Windows" to default to assigned to mdean **

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

sure, why not

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wagnerrp:

do you even have a copy of windows to test that on?

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sphery:

nope :)

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sphery:

let alone the build environment

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sphery:

the compilation works fine on the only real platform, GNU/Linux, so I'm happy :)

[15:08:28]

clever:

id love to see some cross compiling

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iamlindoro:

What about on Tainted/Linux?

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iamlindoro:

You know, for those of us with naughty closed sourceage

[15:08:43]

wagnerrp:

always so selfish... never thinking of those GNU/Hurd or FreeBSD/Linux people

[15:08:51]

iamlindoro:

like the nVidia driver, and Arclight

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j-rod:

especially arclight

[15:09:42]

iamlindoro:

Of course, you can always use the free version, Arcledora

[15:09:45]

sphery:

I Hurd about that GNU kernel once.

[15:09:56]

sphery:

But, yeah, FreeBSD doesn't count.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, not FreeBSD

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wagnerrp:

im talking about that strange perversion of people running the FreeBSD userland with the Linux kernel

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sphery:

that's crazy

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sphery:

so they /definitely/ don't count :)

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: I thought it was icelight

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Don't you have to change both? CurveIllumination?

[15:11:15]

iamlindoro:

AngleBrightness

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wagnerrp:

sphery: actually, i had that backwards

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j-rod:

hm. could be.

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wagnerrp:

theyre using the GNU userland with the FreeBSD kernel

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sphery:

j-rod: did you hear that iamlindoro got $7M for Arclight? http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_ . . . 02/04/02.xml

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j-rod:

and for the record, I hate the name mythdora

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sphery:

must be nice

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sphery:

I only got $1M from MS

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j-rod:

damn, I missed all the fun

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: I hate that Mythdora is still shipping a non-standard third party mythvideo grabber and metadata updater :)

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wagnerrp:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/fbsd/ , http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Instead of something we support like Jamu :)

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: ah, yeah, forgot about that… not my doing :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: makes you wonder

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wagnerrp:

which one is that?

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j-rod:

mythdora has seen its last release though, I do believe

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iamlindoro:

imdb-bulk-updater or some such

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: oh?

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: What's happ'nin?

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j-rod:

neither me nor ryan have the time for keeping up with fedora these days

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iamlindoro:

ahh

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j-rod:

(tbh, I did approximately 0.5% of the work for the latest mythdora release, it was almost all ryan)

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j-rod:

so once red hat enterprise linux 6 is out

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iamlindoro:

A lot of work for one or two guys

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j-rod:

and the clones start showing up

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j-rod:

-> el6-based myth distro

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j-rod:

much less work to maintain over several years

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iamlindoro:

I see-- will get ugly when wagnerrp starts requiring python 3.0 for the bindings ;)

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j-rod:

not really

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Cervera:

Hi, anybody up for some troubleshooting?

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j-rod:

there are already provisions for that in place :)

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Cervera:

:P

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats a long way off... the #python people still say dont bother writing for 3.0

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sphery:

Cervera: Pull!

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Cool, sounds like it will weather the time better than CentOS 5, then

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** sphery wonders if anyone gets the skeet shooting reference **

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johnnyj:

wow – we were just talking about you cervera

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Cervera:

yesterday johnnyj helped me a lot with configuring IRblaster

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Cervera:

now the problem

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** johnnyj takes a cautious bow **

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Cervera:

i have a conf file suitable for my STB

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: el6 has a lot more myth-relevant stuff enabled in the kernel itself than el5 does too, which definitely helps

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Cervera:

but how do i tell lirc to use IT

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Cervera:

you here johnnyj :P

[15:16:57]

Cervera:

didn't notice

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Cool. Need to get my one Fedora 12 box upgraded to 13 and see how it is

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johnnyj:

cervera – story a my life – i get no respect

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Cervera:

lol

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** Cervera feels a blind **

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johnnyj:

cervera did you edit /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ?

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: similarly, I should probably install the latest le browne distro

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Cervera:

well, yeah

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Cervera:

but didn't help too much

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Heh

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: It's less le browne than it was, so that's something

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Cervera:

any place i can paste you a part of the conf file?

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johnnyj:

use pastebin

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: I'll give Fedora one thing, it's a much nicer color scheme :)

[15:18:37]

wagnerrp:

mythtv.pastebin.com

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: And in fairness, I actually rather liked Fedora 12 (my initial confusion at some package management stuff aside)

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Cervera:

okay, there.

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** johnnyj muttering: capture cards->delete all->yadda yadda **

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Cervera:

johnnyj: I just edited one line there

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Cervera:

with the path of the conf file

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Cervera:

so there's lots of garbage problably from autogenerated stuff i did before

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johnnyj:

cervera – use http://mythtv.pastebin.com/

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Cervera:

i did. it's posted there under my nick

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iamlindoro:

Heh, you need to paste the link into the channel...

[15:21:22]

johnnyj:

mmm – re-running the mythbuntu auto generated can and will create dupes in your ~/.lircrc files

[15:21:34]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: yeah, noticed from screen shots that 10.04 looks much more black and orange (is it halloween?) than brown

[15:21:57]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: It's actually a fair amount of purple and grey, which while not ideal is better

[15:21:59]

johnnyj:

cervera – oh – right – just b/c it's mythtv.pastebin.com doesn't mean we're notified about it

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Cervera:

i know:

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Cervera:

[22:18] <+wagnerrp> mythtv.pastebin.com [22:19] <+iamlindoro> j-rod: And in fairness, I actually rather liked Fedora 12 (my initial confusion at some package management stuff aside) [22:19] <Cervera> okay, there.

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wagnerrp:

?

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: damn, it must be quite some time since I saw any screen shots then, I can't recall any purple… hell, I haven't even really looked at Fedora 13 much yet.

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johnnyj:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/0caeEayJ

[15:23:20]

dfletcher:

lol Cervera they're trying to tell you to paste the URL of your paste into here so we can click

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johnnyj:

he did it

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Cervera:

oh, sorry

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johnnyj:

there's a latest posts on the left that just earned it's keep

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Cervera:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/0caeEayJ

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: IF there was a safe/possible way for me to upgrade to 13 via ssh I'd do it now and play when I got home

[15:24:00]

iamlindoro:

er If

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j-rod:

I do that sort of thing all the time

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j-rod:

manually upgrade the fedora-release package to the f13 one

[15:24:39]

j-rod:

then yum upgrade

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Where does one get the package?

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j-rod:

scary, I think I have more systems running rhel6 than I do f13 right now

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johnnyj:

cervera – that may work – what happens when you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart'

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: from any mirror — http://mirror.wilsonet.com/fedora/development . . . 7.noarch.rpm

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j-rod:

wget that, rpm -Uvh it

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Cervera:

johnnyj: can you give my an example of what should be put there except TRANSMITTER_LIRCD_CONF="/usr/share/lirc/remotes/yes/lircd.conf.yes"&nb sp;?

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j-rod:

then go nuts w/yum upgrade

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j-rod:

*hopefully* there aren't any boned upgrade paths

[15:27:17]

johnnyj:

cervera – that will be fine as long as that's where your transmitter conf is

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j-rod:

but there's a definite down-side to having random community members maintaining packages...

[15:27:37]

johnnyj:

cervera – try 'cat /usr/share/lirc/remotes/yes/lircd.conf.yes'

[15:28:11]

johnnyj:

cervera – not in the hardware.conf file – run that at a prompt

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Cool, will play, thanks

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Cervera:

the file exists

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Cervera:

i get the list of the remote

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j-rod:

np, holler if you hit any upgrade path issues, and I can likely give you work-around assistance

[15:29:05]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: I should have a very simple upgrade path, as it's largely stock, plus a self-compiled myth

[15:29:08]

Cervera:

johnnyj: what i know, is that hardware transmission works. if i type in "irsend SEND_ONCE mceusb up"

[15:29:23]

Cervera:

the IRBlaster sends the signal

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Cervera:

but,

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Cervera:

irsend SEND_ONCE yes 1 gives me:

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Cervera:

irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE yes 1 irsend: unknown remote: "yes"

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johnnyj:

try all caps

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johnnyj:

YES

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johnnyj:

according to http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/yes/URC-39765_B00

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Cervera:

nope,

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johnnyj:

cervera – what happens when you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart'?

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johnnyj:

does lirc complain?

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j-rod:

irsend LIST <name of remote in config> ""

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j-rod:

eh, same sort of info back if there's no remote as trying irsend, so meh, nm

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j-rod:

sounds like the config file isn't included in your active config though

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Cervera:

no complaints, but now i know how to restart the lirc deamon without rebooting :P

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johnnyj:

cervera – this is progress!

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Cervera:

no errors, on restart

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Cervera:

but still same error message after

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Cervera:

irsend SEND_ONCE yes 1

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j-rod:

ah

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j-rod:

irsend LIST "" ""

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Cervera:

BTW, conf file @ http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/yes/

[15:34:30]

j-rod:

lists all configs lircd knows about

[15:34:41]

johnnyj:

aren't the remote names case sensitive?

[15:34:43]

j-rod:

eg.

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j-rod:

$ irsend LIST "" ""

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j-rod:

irsend: mceusb

[15:34:44]

j-rod:

irsend: mceusb_hauppauge

[15:34:44]

j-rod:

irsend: vista_mce

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johnnyj:

vista lover

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j-rod:

run that, see what irsend actually thinks is configured

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j-rod:

ha, hell no

[15:35:30]

Cervera:

that list shows me dish – dish16 + mceusb

[15:35:40]

Cervera:

no "yes"

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j-rod:

in other words, its not referenced in the active config anywhere

[15:35:55]

Cervera:

"yes" by the way is the sat op in israel

[15:36:07]

Cervera:

i konw

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johnnyj:

cervera – pastebin you're entire /etc/lirc/hardware.conf please

[15:36:12]

Cervera:

that's my prob

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Cervera:

on the way

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j-rod:

simple way: cat the config file onto the end of /etc/lirc/lircd.conf, bounce lircd and be happy

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j-rod:

but that would probably make ubuntu's lirc thingy unhappy

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dfletcher:

heh it would be nice if it had a conf.d like apache and a few other things do

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Cervera:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/BKGvaXxW

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j-rod:

oh ffs.

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j-rod:

they still have that incredibly dumb lirc split in there

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j-rod:

which means its trying to run two lircd instances on the same hardware

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j-rod:

FAIL

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j-rod:

that split makes sense only for discrete send and receive units

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Cervera:

j-rod: i don't want things to be messed up, i wanna understand how to do it the decent way, where all little deamons are happy

[15:39:17]

j-rod:

god. they still call it lirc_mceusb2 also?...

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Cervera:

huh? where did you see that?

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johnnyj:

736 ? S<s 0:13 /usr/sbin/lircd --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 --listen

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johnnyj:

740 ? S<s 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd1 --device=/dev/lirc1 --connect=localhost 8765 --pidfile=/var/run/lirc/lircd1.pid

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j-rod:

in your pastebin output

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sphery:

maybe it should be lirc_mceusb3 :)

[15:40:11]

j-rod:

NO NUMBERS, DAMMIT ! :)

[15:40:29]

johnnyj:

yeah – both of mine dont say 2

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Cervera:

lol

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johnnyj:

TRANSMITTER_MODULES="lirc_dev lirc_mceusb"

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j-rod:

Cervera: so basically, the entire TRANSMITTER*= stuff is extraneous bullshit that is only complicating things

[15:41:03]

j-rod:

there is no /dev/lirc1

[15:41:06]

j-rod:

only /dev/lirc0

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j-rod:

and you only need a single lircd instance to talk to one lirc device

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johnnyj:

that's not how mine is configured on mythbuntu

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Cervera:

god bless putty, most reliable thing on my windows

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Cervera:

:P

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johnnyj:

mines got the 2 instances

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j-rod:

johnnyj: for a single mceusb device?

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johnnyj:

yep

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johnnyj:

Bus 002 Device 002: ID 1784:0001 TopSeed Technology Corp.

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j-rod:

the second instance is 100% superfluous

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Cervera:

j-rod: so how is it that if i type in "irsend SEND_ONCE mceusb 1" it works?

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j-rod:

as is REMOTE_MODULES="<anything that is auto-loaded by modprobe>"

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** Cervera is a bit confused **

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johnnyj:

cervera – TRANSMITTER_MODULES="lirc_dev lirc_mceusb"

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j-rod:

Cervera: what do you see when you do an 'ls -l /dev/lirc*' ?

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johnnyj:

make that change and restart

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johnnyj:

restart lirc

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j-rod:

johnnyj: irrelevant

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j-rod:

lirc_mceusb2 is a mod_alias for lirc_mceusb

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Cervera:

lemme ask a couple of Q's to get things straight first

[15:44:36]

Cervera:

there's the hardware: TopSeed

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j-rod:

1) you should only have a single /dev/lirc0 for a single mceusb device

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j-rod:

2) you only need one lircd instance for both send and receive

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Cervera:

there's the module: mceusb

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j-rod:

lirc_mceusb, yes

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j-rod:

(though I'm in the process of rewriting it, at which point it *will* be called just mceusb...)

[15:45:21]

johnnyj:

oh my lircd and lircd1 are symlinked to lirc0

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Cervera:

okay, I'll do that first

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ikevin:

hi

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Cervera:

before i go, what should i erase?

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j-rod:

god. "why do it RIGHT when we can come up with crude work-arounds!"

[15:46:51]

ikevin:

anyone know how can i make a real fullscreen with myth?

[15:47:20]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to the fake fullscreen myth does?

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wagnerrp:

(where it fills the full screen)

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j-rod:

Cervera: well, what I'd do, is basically remove every extraneous option under TRANSMITTER*=""

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ikevin:

if i launch it from gnome, myth is behind gnome's bars

[15:48:27]

wagnerrp:

is this a dedicated mythfrontend?

[15:48:34]

dfletcher:

ikevin, install compiz config settings manager and tick the box for legacy fullscreen support

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j-rod:

Cervera: then manually add an include directive to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf similar to what should already be there for the mceusb one

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wagnerrp:

if so, youre better off not running gnome anyway

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ikevin:

i don't use compiz

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j-rod:

then everything will run through a single lircd instance, single socket, single device, etc.

[15:49:27]

dfletcher:

oh heh sorry that just happened to me and it was culprit

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ikevin:

wagnerrp, yep sure, so i don't have enought hardware to have a dedicated frontend

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Cervera:

j-rod: delete all rows starting with transmitter?

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dfletcher:

are you sure though ikevin? ubuntu quietly installs it :P

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j-rod:

Cervera: don't delete them, just make their values all ""

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Cervera:

k

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ikevin:

dfletcher, it's installed so not enabled

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dfletcher:

strange then

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wagnerrp:

but what dfletcher said, if you are using this as a deskop otherwise, either fix or disable compiz

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ikevin:

compiz is not enabled

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j-rod:

hell. I really do need to install ubuntu to see how to properly handle this trainwreck

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ikevin:

i don't like it

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j-rod:

can one of you pastebin the ubuntu lircd.conf and initscript as well?

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j-rod:

shortcuts me having to install it :)

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johnnyj:

sure

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j-rod:

honestly, something like this *should* be sufficient, but might not work 100% correctly...

[15:53:40]

j-rod:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/5RfKkhJE

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johnnyj:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/DeFjdSvw

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johnnyj:

^^ init.d script

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johnnyj:

my lircd.conf is for the Hauppauge 350 – i doubt you want it

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j-rod:

is it explicitly the config, or is it lircd.conf using an include directive to include the 350 config?

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johnnyj:

my hardware.conf – http://mythtv.pastebin.com/wd03cXZE

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johnnyj:

so my /etc/lirc/lircd.conf isn't being used

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j-rod:

so it looks like the init script doesn't actually use REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF or TRANSMITTER_LIRCD_CONF

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j-rod:

the config ui must just use those to drop configs at /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and /lirc/lirc/transmitter.conf

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johnnyj:

i had to ditch the config ui and fix mine – im probably a bad example

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Cervera:

HAHA GENIUS

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: fwiw: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gn5fYXPp

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Cervera:

erm, actualy not

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Cervera:

wait, what,

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Cervera:

so in the hardware it's a tranciever? that's why it works?

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: ah. yeah. meant to ask if you had a 3rd-party repo enabled.

[16:01:16]

Cervera:

hardware.conf i mean

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j-rod:

need updated atrpms-release there too

[16:01:31]

johnnyj:

man RedHat is spamming me today

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j-rod:

johnnyj: I hear they're all a bunch of bastards

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Cervera:

j-rod, johnnyj: thanks, works

[16:02:18]

johnnyj:

oh – Delashmutt accepted my linked in finally – since like 2007

[16:02:48]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Hmm, okay, will try to hunt that down

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Cervera:

now i have to tell backend the command for it to change me channels

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johnnyj:

and then come back for help with livetv from sphery

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: hrm, don't see an explicit atrpms-release package for f13...

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: should be able to simply edit /etc/yum.repos.d/atrpms*.repo files, replacing $releasever with 13 to get around it

[16:05:15]

sphery:

johnnyj: since I use Live TV so much?

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johnnyj:

it's your favorite !

[16:05:29]

sphery:

heh

[16:05:57]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Hmm, I don't actually seem to have anything in /etc/yum.repos.d from atrpms

[16:05:58]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: so I know how that all works if you're using rpm fusion, but axel apparently doesn't do things quite the same… nor am I sure how on top of pre-release updates he is...

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: bwha? did you hand-install some atrpms packages?

[16:06:32]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: No worries, It would probably be fine with me just to disable that stuff

[16:06:34]

** j-rod looks at that paste again... **

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Nope

[16:07:10]

iamlindoro:

At least, not that I recall

[16:07:42]

j-rod:

wacky. the box says you have atrpms packages. using either apt or smart on there too?

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't have known I could use apt on fedora, and I don't know what smart is in a package management context :)

[16:09:05]

Cervera:

j-rod: another question: how do i make sure mythtv manages to change channels?

[16:09:06]

j-rod:

heh. smart was connectiva's attempt at an improvement over both yum and apt. its got some interesting features, but very few people actually use it.

[16:09:09]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: A locate atrpms only turns up things in /var/cache/yum/

[16:09:44]

j-rod:

Cervera: you need a channel-change script configured in mythtv-setup for the capture device that needs you changing channels for it

[16:10:02]

j-rod:

there are several scripts in the wiki now, if I'm thinking clearly, but you'll have to adapt them to your specific device

[16:10:10]

Cervera:

i've entered the command "irsend SEND_ONCE YES" in the configuration of the backend

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j-rod:

yeah, that won't work

[16:10:29]

Cervera:

hmm, thought so

[16:10:43]

j-rod:

channel change script gets fed basically just numbers, if I'm thinking clearly

[16:10:47]

Cervera:

damn, not quite user friendly yet...

[16:11:09]

Cervera:

i think i have one ready from somewhere...

[16:11:17]

dfletcher:

heh yeah I wrote a script and padded it with zeros because my box likes it that way

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darkdrgn2k:

hey guys, any one know where i can get IR codes for the BELL 9241 for blasting

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dfletcher:

IR seems to be the hot topic today :P

[16:12:57]

darkdrgn2k:

dfletcher: LOL my blaster cam in today :)

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: I'd just manually create an atrpms.repo file then

[16:13:05]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: see http://atrpms.net/install.html

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: only, nevermind. I don't see xine packages from atrpms for f13 yet.

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johnnyj:

cervera – but you're learning a great deal

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Cervera:

okay, found this one: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gQwUtW8k

[16:17:02]

darkdrgn2k:

LOL would help if i pointed the blaster at the ir receiver:-P

[16:17:54]

j-rod:

johnnyj: so best as I can tell, stock lircd.conf contains a line "#UNCONFIGURED". That gets removed by running the gui, and it does an include of the config files referenced in {REMOTE,TRANSMITTER}_LIRCD_CONF

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johnnyj:

that sounds accurate

[16:18:40]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Ew, the LIRC client API has nothing for the blasters, huh? Sucks

[16:19:06]

j-rod:

the what now?

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: The lirc client API doesn't expose IR transmitters AFAICT

[16:20:01]

j-rod:

ah. right. I think you're correct — and thus our need to use scripts that call irsend.

[16:20:12]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Was just thinking it'd be nice to use the API if it existed... yeah

[16:20:14]

iamlindoro:

exactly

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j-rod:

this is all being worked on in the upstream kernel...

[16:20:36]

j-rod:

making IR integrate w/the input subsystem

[16:20:36]

iamlindoro:

cool

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j-rod:

we still have to sort out transmit

[16:20:47]

iamlindoro:

I'd be down to integrate myth with it

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j-rod:

and I still need to do an ir-core port of lirc_dev

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j-rod:

so as to maintain full functionality of the mceusb devices

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j-rod:

while still having the option to use in-kernel decode w/the input layer that Just Works right out of the box w/the stock remote

[16:21:54]

iamlindoro:

cool

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j-rod:

(and the mce keyboard, haven't forgotten about that jams. :)

[16:27:15]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Any easy way to list which packages installed are from atrpms?

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j-rod:

I swear there is, but I can't think of it off the top of my head

[16:29:03]

j-rod:

I lied

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j-rod:

rpm -qa --qf="%{Name} %{Packager}\n"

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iamlindoro:

yum list |grep atrpms

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iamlindoro:

seems to work

[16:29:18]

j-rod:

knew there was some yum way too

[16:29:29]

iamlindoro:

hmm, that's wrong, though

[16:29:35]

iamlindoro:

that seems like all the available packages

[16:29:38]

iamlindoro:

so I'll do it your way :)

[16:30:04]

GrahamIRC:

yum list installed

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Cervera:

j-rod: after i save a script to a file, remind my rusty brain, how so i run it? i mean it's not just "/home/tv/channelchange.script 2" is it?

[16:31:23]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: ah, yeah, what GrahamIRC said should work too

[16:31:45]

j-rod:

Cervera: yeah, that's basically it

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GrahamIRC:

start the script with #!/bin/bash (or whatever runs the script)

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j-rod:

scriptname <channel number>

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GrahamIRC:

and then chmod +x

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GrahamIRC:

oh sorry, from myth :-)

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** sphery wishes all users were as quick at testing things as the Mac OS users :) **

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Cervera:

j-rod: "-bash: /home/tv/channelchange.script: Permission denied"

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Cervera:

that's what i get

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clever:

it needs to be +x'd

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: K, think I'm all worked around the atrpms stuff (though I have a bad feeling I removed some myth build-deps, so I may have some issues on upgrade-- oh well, at least I really don't use that system as a frontend :)

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Cervera:

clever: that's with chmod?

[16:34:36]

clever:

Cervera: yep

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: yeah, you definitely do need some build deps from outside of fedora's repos. out of curiosity, why atrpms instead of rpm fusion?

[16:34:55]

Cervera:

yay! i remember something from unix classes 2 years ago!

[16:35:07]

clever:

i never took those classes!

[16:35:08]

j-rod:

one of the things I like a LOT better about rpm fusion is that it tracks the fedora development tree much closer

[16:35:12]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: I likely wasn't well enough informed about the repos ecosystem to know better

[16:35:23]

j-rod:

aha.

[16:35:27]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: I'm not used to needing all sorts of extra repositories for my myth deps

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Cervera:

Electrical Engineering 1'st year we had a course

[16:35:45]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: But now seems an opportune time to get it right w/ 13

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j-rod:

for example, an upgrade from f12+rpmfusion to f13 works without a hitch, because rpm fusion's f13 repos are pretty much just as up-to-date as f13 itself

[16:35:54]

iamlindoro:

(for me to get it right, that is to say)

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Cervera:

and it was called UNIX, to be global :P

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: wget http://mirror.wilsonet.com/rpmfusion/free/fed . . . 2.noarch.rpm

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** j-rod still not used to the way adium pastes some things... **

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: with that installed, 'yum-builddep mythtv' should get you back to good for building myth

[16:38:22]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Cool, will do, thanks for the (newbie) help

[16:38:46]

j-rod:

this isn't help, its a devious underhanded attempt to get converts

[16:38:50]

j-rod:

:D

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iamlindoro:

heh

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j-rod:

holy crap. I didn't realize the magny cours systems were 12-core.

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sphery:

yeah, that very magny cours--12 cours to be exact

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j-rod:

well, most of them have at least 2 sockets, so 24 cours :)

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wagnerrp:

theyve got 8 and 12-core versions

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** j-rod wonders if the 8 are magny cours lite **

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wagnerrp:

but its two separate chips on one package, each with its own memory controller and interconnect

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like a document signed in the 13th century

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j-rod:

yeah, saw that, basically two 6-core packages in a single socket

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wagnerrp:

so AMD mocks intel for having 'fake' multi-core processors years back

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j-rod:

yeah, oops.

[16:42:32]

wagnerrp:

and now intel offers 'true' 8-core processors, while AMD is providing the 'fake' 8 and 12 core

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wagnerrp:

go figure

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sphery:

iamlindoro: or an F1 race track

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johnnyj:

sphery

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johnnyj:

i'm almost there

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Cervera:

johnnyj: you have the same remote – TopSeed hardware right?

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johnnyj:

but i've got these 2 issues....

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johnnyj:

cervera – yes

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johnnyj:

but i channel change my STB over firewire

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Cervera:

johnnyj: did you manage to get the four buttons under the mute button working? (shortcuts)

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johnnyj:

what are they labeled – but yes all my buttons work

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Cervera:

one for example is for livetv, other for recoded tv, one for dvd

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Cervera:

etc

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Cervera:

what's the command to see what my remote transmits?

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Cervera:

(lirc command)

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johnnyj:

sphery – or anyone – http://pastebin.com/F2KMHfWm &ndash ; this is a crash during start of livetv with dummy tuner

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Cervera:

johnnyj: commands that remote gives are: RecTV ; Guide ; LiveTV ; DVD

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iamlindoro:

sure doesn't look like it's configured as a dummy tuner

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johnnyj:

cervera – you have to map the keys onthe remote to actions for lirc to take

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johnnyj:

look at ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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Cervera:

nm those shortcuts, i have a bigger question: i've got EPG data on xml from a grabber, and loaded it through :mythfilldatabase --file" how do i see that data? it doesn't show. do i have to name the channels manually?

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sphery:

johnnyj: you did create channels for the video source for the dummy tuner, right?

[16:56:42]

johnnyj:

sphery: libs/libmythtv/tv_rec.cpp has provisions for a DummyChannel – but yes

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Cervera:

damn, my lircrc is HUGE and full of crap!

[16:57:37]

johnnyj:

cervera – running and re-running the myth control centre's auto generator will do that

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johnnyj:

watch for dupes too

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dan__t:

How about a recommended remote control? Anyone have a favorite?

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stib:

where do I find the menu for setting the directory my recordings are kept in? Since I upgraded it can't find any of my recordings, even though it lists them all

[17:06:01]

wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup, storage groups

[17:06:14]

wagnerrp:

did you do anything like change hostnames during the upgrade?

[17:06:40]

** sphery thinks wagnerrp has the real problem **

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sphery:

has identified, that is

[17:07:02]

sphery:

not trying to say that you have a problem

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wagnerrp:

just going to keep digging arent you.. :P

[17:07:31]

johnnyj:

there – no – it's out in the open now

[17:07:32]

stib:

Well I didn't deliberately change host name, but who knows?

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sphery:

if you have a different hostname, you should really restore the pre-upgrade backup then do a hostname change, then re-upgrade the database

[17:08:43]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[17:08:57]

stib:

how do I know what hostname I have?

[17:09:05]

Cervera:

okay, i think i can handle that. now about the other problem

[17:09:16]

sphery:

specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database , followed by http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file , followed by http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend

[17:09:19]

** Cervera feels a bit pain in the ass with so many questions **

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sphery:

stib: ^^^

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sphery:

stib: you can use the command "hostname" to find the current hostname

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Cervera:

i've got EPG data on xml from a grabber, and loaded it through :mythfilldatabase --file" how do i see that data? it doesn't show. do i have to name the channels manually?

[17:09:40]

sphery:

stib: you need to know the previous hostname, too, though

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johnnyj:

cervera – please take no offense – I've got to run – wedding to attend

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johnnyj:

ciao

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stib:

Well I can log in with ssh so it must be the same hostname

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sphery:

stib: you can find out what hostnames your DB has with: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'SELECT DISTINCT(hostname) FROM settings;'

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sphery:

please pastebin the output of that command

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stib:

hmm, I'll need to ind my mysql password

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stib:

*find*

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Cervera:

anyone else that can help me?

[17:11:36]

sphery:

I'd try mythtv first

[17:11:46]

sphery:

but depending on distro, it may be different

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sphery:

Cervera: you likely have a broken input connections configuration: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[17:12:50]

sphery:

i.e. MythTV is showing you all the channels that you can record, and you've dumped info into channels that aren't hooked to anything, so you can't record from them

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wagnerrp:

or if you dont have the database password, you can always access http://<your backend>:6544/Myth/GetHosts/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice :)

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sphery:

that's even better

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Cervera:

sphery: that's not it

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sphery:

Cervera: sure... :)

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Cervera:

mythtv isn't showing me channels

[17:14:28]

wagnerrp:

sphery: all this tinkering around with crap for the bindings pays off

[17:14:36]

sphery:

Cervera: unless you're asking, "Where do I go to see it?" that's almost definitely the problem.

[17:14:42]

Cervera:

well it is

[17:15:06]

Cervera:

lemme describe it properly

[17:15:10]

sphery:

Cervera: if you're asking, "Where do I go," go to mythfrontend Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide or MythWeb's Listings page

[17:15:13]

iamlindoro:

Cervera: sphery is by far the most trustworthy troubleshooter in this channel. If he tells you something is likely the problem, it's likely the problem ;)

[17:15:25]

Cervera:

program guide is empty

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: hes patience also far exceeds most...

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sphery:

yes, empty program guide means either you have no data in the DB or your input connections are misconfigured

[17:16:03]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: far exceeds my own, for sure

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sphery:

(or, theoretically, you may have set a Channel Group with no channels and so you're looking at only that group of (no) channels, but I've never seen anyone actually manage to do that without knowing)

[17:17:01]

Cervera:

okay, i have to configure my input connection channels manually – stb connected to composite

[17:17:09]

Cervera:

right so far?

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sphery:

Cervera: I'm guessing you have duplicate channels, where the ones connected to your inputs are not the ones to which you added data

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sphery:

Cervera: are you using Schedules Direct?

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Cervera:

ALL channels (46 of them, dunno why) are nameless , by thus duplicates of nothing, i guess

[17:18:51]

Cervera:

no

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iamlindoro:

sphery: listings want to be free, jerk! ;)

[17:19:15]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

looks like you're not in the US?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: judging from that IP, i dont think SD is available

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Cervera:

nope

[17:19:55]

Cervera:

nope to both

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Cervera:

israel

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sphery:

yeah, looked like the wrong country for SD

[17:20:09]

sphery:

So, you have a more challenging setup

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Cervera:

i'm using a grabber that grabs from a couple of israeli sites

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Cervera:

axports data to xml

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Cervera:

yup

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sphery:

so how did you make your channels?

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** Cervera feels "challenged" **

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Cervera:

ah, good question

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** sphery doesn't know a thing about how to make channels for .il **

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stib:

about the hosts (the mysql password was in ~/.myttv/mysql.txt) there's a list of hosts, including the mythtv machine, localhost, a couple of laptops I use or front ends and NULL

[17:21:30]

Cervera:

well, i set them up even beore i had irblaster or anything else working

[17:21:40]

Cervera:

lol

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sphery:

stib: if you use more than one host for MythTV, you can't have localhost /anywhere/ in the configuration (or 127.0.0.1)

[17:22:02]

sphery:

so you do have hostname issues

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Cervera:

i just chose hot_matav as channel listing and went on with it

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stib:

should I just delete it from the table?

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sphery:

stib: you should restore the DB backup, as I described above, then do a mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="localhost" --new_hostname="YYYY"

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sphery:

(and update YYYY to the right hostname for your mythbackend

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stib:

oh thanks

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sphery:

no, direct DB edit is bad

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sphery:

you'll almost definitely break things as there are /many/ more tables involved

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sphery:

that's why we have a script to do it

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Cervera:

sphery – if I name channels as in the EPG you think it'll work?

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stib:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

Cervera: the name/callsign should be irrelevant

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sphery:

just a display thing at this point

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Cervera:

okay, so what is the connection between the two?

[17:24:05]

gbee:

Cervera: xmltvid

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sphery:

Cervera: I think you need to set the xmltvid for each of your channels, manually, then re-run mythfilldatabase --file

[17:24:29]

sphery:

use mythtv-setup or mythfrontend or MythWeb channel editor

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sphery:

gbee is faster than me

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** gbee took a shortcut **

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Cervera:

it's a long list, i think it's best to use just a text based editor. where is the file located?

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sphery:

no file

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sphery:

use MythWeb if you want a "text-based editor"

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Cervera:

talking about xmltvid

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sphery:

no file, use MythWeb if you want a "text-based editor"

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Cervera:

sorry, what's mythweb?

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sphery:

It's a web-based interfact to MythTV

[17:26:19]

sphery:

should be a separate package

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sphery:

interface, that is

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Cervera:

meaning i can access it from?

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Cervera:

ssh?

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Cervera:

http?

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sphery:

from a web browser

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sphery:

yeah, http

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sphery:

You have to install MythWeb

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Cervera:

okay, port? p/w? where's that configured?

[17:27:23]

Cervera:

(of course)

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sphery:

wherever your distro configures it

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sphery:

do you have the package installed?

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Cervera:

mythbuntu it is, BTW

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Cervera:

i'll check

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sphery:

if so, try: http://<your_backend_hostname>/

[17:28:03]

sphery:

or http://<your_backend_hostname>/mythtv/

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sphery:

or backend IP if you don't have name resolution

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iamlindoro:

http://<your_backend_hostname>/mythweb/

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sphery:

or that one...

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sphery:

trust iamlindoro--he knows far more about *buntu than I

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iamlindoro:

A dubious distinction

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sphery:

then go to settings (the key/wrench icon), then TV in the left nav colum, then the Channel Info tab

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Cervera:

well, it's installed

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Cervera:

and works as http://<hostname./

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sphery:

iamlindoro: don't we have a ticket for http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288183.html ?

[17:31:44]

Cervera:

so, i'm in the web interface, but first, where can i find what are the xmltvid's i need to insert?

[17:31:56]

Cervera:

i mean, the xml file is huge

[17:32:07]

sphery:

Cervera: by reading the XML file :(

[17:32:07]

Cervera:

any tips?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: not that I know off the top of my head

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Cervera:

any keyword for using grep?

[17:33:22]

Cervera:

OOH OOH! ON NEED! the xml is already listed in the web interface

[17:33:29]

Cervera:

just c&p

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sphery:

Cervera: http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat

[17:33:57]

sphery:

Cervera: if you're saying the xmltvid is already populated, then there's nowhere to copy it to

[17:34:22]

Cervera:

well, it's populated, but no channum assigned to it

[17:34:36]

sphery:

Cervera: but basically, the xmltvid in mythweb's channel settings page has to be identical to the id in, for example, <channel id="I10436.labs.zap2it.com">

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sphery:

as shown at http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat

[17:34:58]

sphery:

channum/callsign/description/name/... are all irrelevant at this point

[17:35:13]

sphery:

you'll need to fix them eventually, but they won't affect whether things show in the UI

[17:35:36]

sphery:

but while you're at it, you might as well fix channum, et. al.

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Cervera:

sphery huh?

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Cervera:

sphery – go slow on me here

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Cervera:

lemme give you two examples i have there

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sphery:

sounds good

[17:37:49]

justinh:

hahaha. searching for images I can use on this new site – looking for 'dog jumping' & the search result came back with "nothing found. did you mean dog dumping?". yeah right

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'd be worried to look at those pics

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Cervera:

justdave: LOL

[17:39:03]

justinh:

yeh. it's not that kind of site

[17:39:46]

justdave:

lol

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iamlindoro:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/fcc-will-l . . . tputs-kinda/

[17:41:26]

justinh:

can anybody spell class action lawsuit? ;-)

[17:41:45]

Cervera:

sphery: i have one listing that goes:

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Cervera:

sourceid:0 channum:<blank> xmltvid:cnn

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Cervera:

and another that goes:

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Cervera:

sourceid:1 channum:1 xmltvid:<blank>

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Cervera:

both need to be merged

[17:41:58]

gbee:

c-l-a-s-s- -a ...

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sphery:

Cervera: that info coming from where? MythWeb channel editor?

[17:43:21]

Cervera:

yeah, gaveyou two lines

[17:43:37]

sphery:

Cervera: then the problem is... wait for it... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[17:43:44]

Cervera:

now i'm guessing i'll be needing sourceid 1 and not 0

[17:43:59]

Cervera:

because the unnamed is what i see in the frontend

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Cervera:

LOL, okay, okay, i'll peek into more than the title...

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sphery:

Cervera: i.e. you need to delete all video sources, then create a brand new video source, then go to input connections and connect that source to your tuner's input, then use the mythfilldatabase --file to create the channels, then go back into the input connections and change the starting channel

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Cervera:

"then create a brand new video source" – there it asks me to scan for channels – i shouldn't use that, i guess, (just making things clear)

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sphery:

right, ignore the scan butt

[17:49:47]

sphery:

button

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sphery:

sorry

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Cervera:

teehee

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Cervera:

BRB

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** sphery hopes iamlindoro doesn't kickban me **

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iamlindoro:

whoops, I missed

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sphery:

heh

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Cervera:

sphery – okay did all up to mythfilldatabase --file (without exiting backend setup, and using no grabber for source)

[17:55:43]

Cervera:

now, i'm yet unable to change starting channel

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sphery:

Cervera: ok, you've exited the Input Connections page, right?

[17:56:10]

Cervera:

yes

[17:56:14]

sphery:

you need to exit that page then go back into it

[17:56:19]

Cervera:

did it

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Cervera:

doesn't do the trick.

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sphery:

when you go back into it, it says Please change...

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sphery:

right?

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Cervera:

yes

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sphery:

and there are no channels listed?

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Cervera:

no

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sphery:

and you used source ID 0 when you did the mythfilldatabase --file right?

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sphery:

er, source ID 1

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sphery:

not 0

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Cervera:

erm,

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Cervera:

i htink not. just a sec

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sphery:

if you have sourceid 0 stuff in there, you should repeat the process, but use source ID 1

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sphery:

i.e. the whole Delete all video sources part

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sphery:

Cervera: check out the current view using the MythWeb channel editor

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bollyman:

anyone know where i can find vbox (cat's eye 150 tuner) drivers for linux? no info through google searches

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Cervera:

what's the command to input it to sourceid 1? i didn't tell it a sourceid

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sphery:

bollyman: all we support are those supported by V4L-DVB: http://linuxtv.org/wiki

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sphery:

Cervera: mythfilldatabase --help

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sphery:

--file <sourceid> <xmlfile>

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sphery:

I /thought/ it failed if you didn't specify any sourceid

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sphery:

guess not, though

[18:00:07]

sphery:

(pretty sure it does in current trunk, at least)

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Cervera:

well it's in source id 0

[18:00:39]

sphery:

0 is broken

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Cervera:

k

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sphery:

so delete all video sources, then new vid source, then connect input, exit input connections page, then mythfilldatabase --file 1 <filename>

[18:01:06]

sphery:

...

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sphery:

too slow

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sphery:

one of these days I'll be first to answer

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery wake up old man

[18:02:38]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a wake up old man trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[18:03:16]

iamlindoro:

bollyman: If such drivers exist, they are under the auspices of the linuxtv project-- www.linuxtv.org, #linuxtv here on freenode

[18:03:33]

iamlindoro:

bollyman: If you find nothing there, then it is likely there is no linux support for your device

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sphery:

hey, I got that one first!

[18:04:10]

sphery:

though you explained it better

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Cervera:

sphery: now it's on sourceID 1

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Cervera:

after deleting everything first

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Cervera:

BUT, still writes down that annoying thing "please add..."

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bollyman:

sphery, iamlindoro: thanks. it's not on the list.

[18:08:13]

sphery:

and when you go to Please Add... and hit left/right, does it choose actual channels?

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sphery:

Cervera: ^^^

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Cervera:

no...

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sphery:

Cervera: try exiting mythtv-setup, then re-entering

[18:09:49]

sphery:

no need to run mythfilldatabase when it tells you to

[18:10:33]

Cervera:

doesn't help

[18:10:56]

Cervera:

i shouldn't try the scan or import buttons right?

[18:11:26]

Cervera:

erm, i'm looking now at mythweb,

[18:11:33]

Cervera:

channums are empty

[18:11:37]

Cervera:

that's okay?

[18:12:00]

Cervera:

id is 1, but nums empty

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** Cervera looks at the clock: 01:15 AM already here! **

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Cervera:

^^ almost

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Cervera:

<nudge>

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sphery:

add some channnums... that may prevent that combobox from being filled

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wagnerrp:

huh huh... sphery said butt

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sphery:

heh

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ver:

been a while since i've said 'woot', but there it is.

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Cervera:

sphery – works!

[18:54:31]

Cervera:

still here?

[18:55:12]

sphery:

Cervera: great!

[18:55:16]

sphery:

glad you got it

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Cervera:

now, i found a channel change script

[18:55:39]

Cervera:

and it works on command line

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Cervera:

but not on mythtv

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Cervera:

brb

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sphery:

which script?

[18:55:52]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts ?

[18:55:55]

sphery:

or different

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sphery:

might need the full path to the script in your mythtv input connection

[18:57:18]

sphery:

(but definitely need something in there--if you haven't already added it there)

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Cervera:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/xgvA9YXN

[19:00:10]

Cervera:

this is the script

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ver:

dserban, how did you setup your blasters with 6 receivers? only 1 of my 3 cards has a blaster on it :/

[19:01:11]

Cervera:

and i put the path: /home/tv/changechan

[19:01:47]

sphery:

and you really called your remote "yes" in the lircd.conf?

[19:02:49]

sphery:

why are you doing special things for channel 26?

[19:03:11]

Cervera:

of rourse

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Cervera:

it works from command line

[19:03:48]

sphery:

and is the tv user running mythbackend?

[19:03:57]

Cervera:

yes

[19:04:01]

sphery:

if not, it probably can't read the /home/tv directory (or its contents)

[19:04:46]

sphery:

look at backend logs to see if it says anything about why it can't run it

[19:04:58]

Cervera:

yes

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Cervera:

where can i find the log?

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sphery:

/var/log?

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Cervera:

i'll check

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iamlindoro:

what the

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iamlindoro:

what in the hell

[19:08:26]

iamlindoro:

Why would you write a channel changer you only wanted to work from midnight to 5 AM?

[19:09:06]

iamlindoro:

porno channel with a pin code of 0000?

[19:09:26]

iamlindoro:

but..

[19:09:28]

iamlindoro:

wait, what the

[19:09:35]

iamlindoro:

you have a remote named yes, with a key called yes?

[19:09:40]

iamlindoro:

this is all sorts of broken

[19:10:39]

sphery:

looks like the channel change will go in all the time, but from midnight to 5 it does something else, too

[19:11:17]

sphery:

seems it's a mod'ed version of: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Change-channel-lirc.sh

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Cervera:

LOL, i copy pasted it from an israeli forum. the other thing it does at night is exactly parental code i think for channel 36?

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Cervera:

the sat provider's name is "yes" (go figure)

[19:17:51]

Cervera:

and so they have a "yes" button

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Cervera:

http://www.yes.co.il/images/sidermote.jpg

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Cervera:

well, however you look at the script, it works from command line, and not from backend

[19:20:38]

sphery:

probably permissions, but would need to see the log to know

[19:20:40]

Cervera:

and no error on the logs, it seems to think it changes channel because the osd changes

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bollyman:

I have a Sony MCE remote, "rm-mc10" (RC6), is there a way to tell if it will work with mythtv?

[19:21:05]

sphery:

so the script is succeeding

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wagnerrp:

hehe... blasting 'yes yes' is only allowed to happen between 0–5am while the kids are asleep

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Cervera:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/mjXw3q3J

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sphery:

Cervera: chances are you need to fill in the frequency ID in mythtv's channel editor

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Cervera:

wagnerrp – LMAO

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sphery:

where freqid is the identifier you use to tell the STB to tune the particular channel (generally channel number)

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Cervera:

sphery erm – oops?

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sphery:

so probably you need to set it to the same value you have in channum

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Cervera:

i'll do that, thought freq was for internal tuner

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Cervera:

damn, mythweb didnt start after reebot, what command do i use to run it on server?

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wagnerrp:

you dont run mythweb, you run apache

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Cervera:

reboot*

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wagnerrp:

mythweb is merely a webapp run through apache/php

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Cervera:

uses apache, okay (don't laugh, i don't know all that)

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Cervera:

how can i make sure it's running?

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wagnerrp:

ps ax | grep httpd

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Cervera:

returns 2271 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto httpd

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Cervera:

that's it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that's so bsd

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wagnerrp:

oh? what is it apache2 on linux?

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sphery:

no, I mean the ps ax

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sphery:

you're full of BSD

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wagnerrp:

well... uh... your full of gnu

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sphery:

from a real ps's man page: To see every process on the system using BSD syntax:\nps ax

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iamlindoro:

Alternately, from a real man's ps page

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sphery:

heh, that too

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sphery:

I'm a ps -efw man, myself

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clever:

i sometimes use 'ps -eH x'

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clever:

the tree helps to see what ran what

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clever:

oops, my new Qt prog is leaving defunct's

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sphery:

clever: GUI program that runs external processes through QProcess?

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wagnerrp:

do you live in a barn? did no one ever tell you not to leave the pipes open?

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sphery:

http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5990 if you are doing things right

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sphery:

if not, do things right :)

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clever:

sphery: its a cli daemon running php to decode something

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clever:

via QProcess

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clever:

it might be something i'm doing wrong, i delete the QProcess if there is a timeout

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clever:

QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running.

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sphery:

I haven't been able to repro the issue without a GUI (i.e. no event thread)

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clever:

i do have an event loop in the main thread

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sphery:

heh, that would be different

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sphery:

ah, if you have an event loop, you can likely trigger that bug

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clever:

the app does exist, it just takes longer then if (!myproc.waitForFinished(5000)) { sometimes

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clever:

i'll just mod it to not give up

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sphery:

are you killing it properly?

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clever:

nope

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clever:

sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qdxCLw7J

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clever:

qscript is great for making the app flexible without recompiling, could be very usefull in a mythtv theme

[19:36:43]

dan__t:

Hrm, still need to find a remote before I hit up Fry's on the way home.

[19:36:44]

clever:

let the script in the theme control parts of how the ui behaves

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sphery:

there's hope of including qscript support in themes, but no one has gotten motivated

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sphery:

has been talked about many times, though

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clever:

ive thrown together 2 deamons using it and it has helped make them massively stable and go together alot faster

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clever:

errors arent as fatal as in c++ and i can reload the code at run-time so i dont loose state

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sphery:

clever: looks like you need some myproc.close() in there

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

what is the main class for the themes, which is only created once in the process?

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Cervera:

good night all – 3:00 AM here

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clever:

somewhere i could stick a QScriptEngine

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bollyman:

On first time install of Mythtv, in trying to playback a dvd the video is very jittery, and apparently slow. using internal dvd player on a desktop. What did i do wrong?

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clever:

sphery: dont remember it off the top of your head?

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sphery:

no, sorry

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sphery:

MythThemedMenu, MythMainWindow, ...?

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clever:

found them, myththemedmenu.h and mythmainwindow.h

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dan__t:

Ok, off to Fry's

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dan__t:

We'll give this guy a shot – http://www.frys.com/product/5390958?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

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wagnerrp:

bit pricey

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dan__t:

Really?

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wagnerrp:

i got my MCE remotes for ~$25

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dan__t:

According to Google, its alright.

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wagnerrp:

remote, plus receiver, plus one blaster

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dan__t:

Hrm... will "any" version 2 MCE remote work? I believe that's what I got from the wiki

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dan__t:

And I see no talk about a version 3

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dan__t:

Ah well, maybe they'll have some more at the store. I can price match with the droid heh.

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wagnerrp:

why NULL, why???

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Beirdo:

NULL this

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dan__t:

Alrighty, thanks for the tips, have a good one.

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wagnerrp:

i really hate how you cant use standard syntax in mysql when using NULL

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Beirdo:

heh, so don't use NULL :)

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sphery:

but that is standard according to SQL, right?

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sphery:

just not "the same as non-null" right?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what am i to use instead?

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sphery:

could use the string "NULL" :)

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Beirdo:

umm, declare the field as NOT NULL and leave em blank?

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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wagnerrp:

im doing manipulation of recordedmarkup

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Beirdo:

oh

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sphery:

still would need to use "IS NULL" or "IS NOT NULL" in queries

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

its not up to me whether that stuff is NULL

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Beirdo:

true nuff

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Beirdo:

sphery: nah, if the fields are defined NOT NULL, there is never a NULL in there

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sphery:

WHERE whatever = NULL would be nice

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wagnerrp:

s/nice/absolutely amazing/

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Beirdo:

but messing up a database just to get around mysql being stupid...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

oh, you said NOT NULL... for some reason, I read that as DEFAULT NULL

[19:56:22]

wagnerrp:

but no... ive got to have special handling when dealing with the setting stable for global (NULL hostname) options

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sphery:

so speaking of mysql, thoughts on auto-repair crashed tables versus making InnoDB tables mandatory?

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wagnerrp:

now i need special handling in the markup tables for NULL fields

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wagnerrp:

what does that 'data' field do anyway?

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sphery:

and are crashed tables actually impossible with InnoDB?

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Beirdo:

doubt they are actually impossible, but I'm not the expert

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** wagnerrp points sphery at kormoc **

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Beirdo:

kormoc would be a good person to ask if he's on

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Beirdo:

aye :)

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wagnerrp:

!seen kormoc

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MythLogBot:

kormoc was last seen 15 days 23 hours 16 minutes 1 second ago

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Beirdo:

wow

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sphery:

yeah, I wanna talk to kormoc, but ^^^

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sphery:

he left me... :(

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Beirdo:

you could email him

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sphery:

I've been eating chocolate ice cream like you wouldn't believe

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you could drive over and kick him onlie

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

not right now I couldn't

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sphery:

yeah, go kick him for me

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Beirdo:

I'm in Philly :)

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sphery:

oh, long drive

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wagnerrp:

so

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wagnerrp:

that just means it will take a couple days

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Beirdo:

so it's closer for you :)

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sphery:

might have to wait 'til you get home

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

still farther for me :)

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wagnerrp:

i think you could make it in... 36 hours

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Beirdo:

I dropped him a message in a chat window where he's "away"

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Beirdo:

so... who knows

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Beirdo:

he's been having some hell weeks at work

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wagnerrp:

its 27 from here to reno

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how far past reno seattle is

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Beirdo:

a long way

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I thought you were west coast... I guess I was thinking of iamlindoro

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beata-:

hmm I wonder if getting the latest alsa will fix my surroundsound issues

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beata-:

why is sound such a pia

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sphery:

beata-: simple answer: ALSA

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clever:

sphery: myththemed menu gets made a couple of times

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clever:

i'll go with the other

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wagnerrp:

ugh... NULL strikes again

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wagnerrp:

i cant use an 'executemany', because different deletes may have different where statements

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wagnerrp:

because some may use NULL, some may not

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sphery:

clever: others would know better what to use... I just threw out a couple of wild guesses :)

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clever:

sphery: yeah, i'll take a closer look at the other one now that its been narrowed down

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wagnerrp:

why is it that when i try to rewrite something better/cleaner/faster... it just ends up being LONGER

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I know the feeling

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, recordedmarkup.data is a hack by some Robert M guy for storing resolution in the DB: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19149

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wagnerrp:

robertm... the bane of my existance for making me deal with these damned dirty NULLs

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** wagnerrp shakes his fist like a Charlton Heston **

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wagnerrp:

huh.... something is working that /shouldnt/ be working, because i havent programmed it yet

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wagnerrp:

ive got a bad feeling about this

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clever:

its psycic!

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sphery:

maybe iamlindoro can kickban robertm

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** wagnerrp tries his hand at multiple inheritance **

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wagnerrp:

thats nice...

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Tanthrix:

I don

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Tanthrix:

t like the looks of this: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6466XR2 . . . domesticNews

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sphery:

So is it better to show yyyyMMddhhmmss to users when telling them what date format to use in --help output or to use something like YYYYMMDDHHMMSS ?

[21:04:42]

wagnerrp:

what that article talks about is something that cable companies can already do

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sphery:

Tanthrix: one small step...

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: ^^^

[21:05:02]

wagnerrp:

what the article doesnt mention at all is that this approval is actually to disable analog output

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sphery:

Tanthrix: better description: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/fcc-will-l . . . utputs-kinda

[21:05:33]

sphery:

from iamlindoro , earlier today

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Tanthrix:

I can live with that....if it stayed like that. But there's no chance in hell.

[21:06:21]

sphery:

yeah, give an inch...

[21:06:24]

Tanthrix:

Good thing there are HDCP>Component convertors out there. Too bad they're still so expensive

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sphery:

better thing that I don't care at all about cable tv :)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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sphery:

cable tv is for people who aren't willing to affect change

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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sphery:

if everyone dropped cable tv, the cable co's would change :)

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sphery:

I dropped, but I haven't gotten my 200M friends to do the same

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wagnerrp:

'yeah. cause the analog hole turned out to be such a big risk. oh wait, theres bd rips floating around the internet before the discs even come out. yeah. what's the point of this again?'

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sphery:

so far, I've only succeeded at getting a single person to drop cable

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sphery:

so, thoughts on yyyyMMddhhmmss vs YYYYMMDDHHMMSS in user-visible help?

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hamiltop:

I'm having problems with watching live tv under mythfrontend. VLC will play video from /dev/video0 fine, so I'm pretty sure the card is working fine

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hamiltop:

its a PVR-150

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Captain_Murdoch:

avg user won't know why some letters are caps and some aren't.

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sphery:

makes sense

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sphery:

How do I capitalize 10? !)

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wagnerrp:

and the advanced user can imply which fields are supposed to be minutes, and which months

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wagnerrp:

hamiltop: check your backend logs

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sphery:

just wanted to have a single capitalization for easy grep'ing (allowing us to see when someone uses a wrong one in code)

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, and ones that do have some idea might wonder about those upper/lowercase vs the ones that the date command uses with %Y%m%d%H%M%S

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sphery:

the someone will be revealed soon with an upcoming commit

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sphery:

yeah, since Qt's formatting is different, it makes sense to just make it user friendly in user strings

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hamiltop:

AudioInOSS(/dev/dsp) Error: open failed – Invalid argument

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hamiltop:

that's the first error in the logs

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be using audioinoss

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hamiltop:

k

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be using any form of audio input

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wagnerrp:

im guessing you installed that card as a V4L capture card?

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hamiltop:

yes

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wagnerrp:

no, you want 'IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card'

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hamiltop:

ok

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sphery:

hamiltop: do the capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

then reconfigure with the IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card as wagnerrp mentioned

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hamiltop:

that fixed it

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bcgrown:

I am running Mythbuntu 9.10 now (Myth 0.22) and want to switch to 10.04 to get MythTV 0.23. What do I have to do to keep the same database?

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bcgrown:

I mean, I can follow the backup and restore instructions on the wiki, but it doesn't say anything about changing versions

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wagnerrp:

just install and run 0.23

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will automatically update the database as needed

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wagnerrp:

note that mythtv can only upgrade, not downgrade

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wagnerrp:

nor can it run with a version of the database other than the single one it is programmed for

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bcgrown:

So I can safely do a clean install of mythbuntu, then restore the 0.22 database, and it will be upgraded?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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bcgrown:

awesome

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bcgrown:

Can I also use the 0.22 config from~/.mythtv?

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skd5aner:

yes

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bcgrown:

one more question... Where is the backend config stored?

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wagnerrp:

the database

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

no wonder i couldn't find it :)

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wagnerrp:

everything is stored in the database

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wagnerrp:

except of course the information needed to access the datbase

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bcgrown:

and frontend config?

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wagnerrp:

everything is stored in the database

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bcgrown:

oh neato

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sphery:

heh, "find . ~ -user mtdean" is not the same as "find . ! -user mtdean"

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bcgrown:

thanks wagnerrp, sorry if these are dumb questions

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wagnerrp:

no, just frequently asked ones

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bcgrown:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore <-- this page doesn't make it obvious that the database will be auto-upgraded

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wagnerrp:

perhaps not, its just common mythtv knowledge that it will be auto-upgraded

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sphery:

can anyone tell where the user is going in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7813

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sphery:

I'm lost

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wagnerrp:

insane?

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: wouldn't it make sense for the wiki to at least mention it in passing?

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wagnerrp:

i know it is mentioned in the official docs

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.3

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skd5aner:

ahhh crap: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/fcc- . . . ries+2%29%29

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skd5aner:

sorry – better link – http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/fcc-allows-soc/

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp, i see... that site layout drives me nuts. if you do a ctrl-f search for something it will highlight words that are hidden underneath the top and bottom bars. in firefox, anyway

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skd5aner:

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bcgrown:

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bcgrown:

how is that in the interest of the public?

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: the industry will not allow showing of early run movies without SoC

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wagnerrp:

so by allowing SoC for this particular case, they are actually allowing new capability to the public

[22:08:46]

wagnerrp:

it is good for the public

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wagnerrp:

this waiver is not a problem

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sphery:

wagnerrp: think we should put some "how to I upgrade my database" type FAQ in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions

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** skd5aner still doesn't buy that argument – slippery slope **

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that it will set a bad precedent that will allow them to enable SoC at other times

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wagnerrp:

or so is the fear anyway

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bcgrown:

I'm not in the US so this doesn't affect me (yet), but is there a definitive source for what equipment has SoC capability?

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wagnerrp:

i would imagine just about any STB hardware has the capability

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skd5aner:

Most cable issued set-top boxes, which you'd have to have to order pay-per-view anyway

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wagnerrp:

perhaps already

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, it would be available through a firmware update

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skd5aner:

Sattellite, etc

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bcgrown:

:( i'm dreading the day my firewire output gets disabled

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skd5aner:

They're not disabling the capability of your TV, just disabling what they are feeding to your TV via any analog channels

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bcgrown:

it's not really any different in my eyes

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skd5aner:

bcgrown: yup, you definitely don't live in the US (at least 99.99% of the US has fairly crippled firewire ports out of their STBs

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bcgrown:

skd5aner, apparently most people's firewire outputs here (Canada) are crippled too

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skd5aner:

bcgrown: definitely no argument from me

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bcgrown:

I happen to be on a smaller, independent ISP

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bcgrown:

I haven't checked premium channels since I don't have them, but my provider says they don't set the 5C flag, but if the upstream content has it set, it will be there

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skd5aner:

I doubt the content itself will control SoC – it'll probably be controlled by the providers via SLA and contract agreements for distributing the content

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bcgrown:

however when i had a free preview of the movie channels and HBO i could record everything

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skd5aner:

anyway – just another day in the world of digital media, and with that I say good night

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bcgrown:

buenos nachos

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sphery:

finally found a place where i can repro that error

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mcur:

Any good suggestions on a micro-atx case that can hold, say, four hard disks?

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mcur:

Thinking about using something like that for a myth backend/backup machine for home

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wagnerrp:

backend only?

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wagnerrp:

mcur: ^^^

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bcgrown:

this one looks nice: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35 . . . dia%20System

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bcgrown:

I have this one: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=23679&v . . . 20Technology and it's decent. it's the smallest micro-atx case I could find but it's only got 3 drive bays (2 x 3.5, 1x 5.25)

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bcgrown:

Anyone know if there is a difference in how channels are tuned over FireWire in Live TV vs scheduled recordings?

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wagnerrp:

should be none

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bcgrown:

Hmm... In live TV I very often get a time out and then "Error opening jump program file buffer." After that the tuner doesn't work until I reboot. As far as I can tell, I've never had a similar problem with scheduled recordings

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jpabq:

bcgrown, mythfrontend does have a 15 second timeout for tuning operations. The scheduled recordings that does not apply.

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jpabq:

s/The scheduled/For scheduled/

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bcgrown:

I think that

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bcgrown:

's adjustable though, right? maybe I just need to increase it

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jpabq:

bcgrown, it is not adjustable as far as I know. You could try http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6719 , although that patch is reported to not work if you use multirec.

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Shadow_U:

you should be able to adjust the timeout in tuner setup

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Shadow_U:

unless i am mistaken

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bcgrown:

i remember seeing an option in the backend setup

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Shadow_U:

yeah it is in the backend setup

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bcgrown:

as far as i know my tuner doesn't do multirec, unless i am missing it

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PeaceKeeper:

I guess I need a analog tuner to record basic cable out of the wall (no digital box). Anyone recommend one?

[22:38:15]

Shadow_U:

PeaceKeeper: i would look into that depedning on area you are most likely better off getting a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

so thats the easy one done, cleaner and working well... only 30% longer

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wagnerrp:

now for the hard one....

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Shadow_U:

bcgrown: if you are using a qam tuner yo ushould beable to do multirec

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PeaceKeeper:

Shadow_U: that will get my cable out of the wall? I have a older hd-5000 and HVR-2250

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wagnerrp:

yes, both of those are QAM capable

[22:40:02]

wagnerrp:

you should understand the limitations of digital cable capture first before trying anything

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wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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bcgrown:

Shadow_U, I don't remember seeing any options to enable multirec when I set up my tuner

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bcgrown:

(firewire cable box)

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PeaceKeeper:

I am looking over wiki now. I used to ahve a pvr-250 before, but something happened to it. Now those are all I have left

[22:41:06]

Shadow_U:

PeaceKeeper: this should give you a good idea of what to expect through qam http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels

[22:41:38]

Shadow_U:

bcgrown: to my knowledge multirec is only for qam tuners or the equivilant to a qam tuner

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wagnerrp:

s/qam/digital/

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bcgrown:

Shadow_U, well technically this is a QAM tuner

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Shadow_U:

wagnerrp: yeah thanks

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: multirec is not supported over firewire

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

:(

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Shadow_U:

bcgrown: you want multirec get a digital tuner

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bcgrown:

no use here, everything is encrypted

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wagnerrp:

and its very likely the STBs themselves wouldnt even allow you to record multiple channels in a single stream even if you wanted to rework firewire support in mythtv to allow so

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Shadow_U:

bcgrown: load up on stb's and get hdpvr power

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Shadow_U:

/s/get/harness the

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bcgrown:

Shadow_U, I wouldn't need the hdpvr, just another firewire cable

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PeaceKeeper:

Thank you both :) I think I still need an analog to get all the other channels. (1 – 65)

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bcgrown:

i don't care enough about tv to have a stack of stb's :)

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Shadow_U:

PeaceKeeper: check the site i sent you that would give you a better idea of what digital channels to expect to receive

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PeaceKeeper:

I just did :) thank you. It is missing a lot of channels that I get on my older analog tv set with coax in

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bcgrown:

Shadow_U, I think that site only shows the broadcasted HD channels

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bcgrown:

s/HD/digital

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bcgrown:

broadcasted over-the-air, that is

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Shadow_U:

bcgrown: for me personally it shows all the digital channels i receive regardless if hd or not

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bcgrown:

likely PeaceKeeper will get more channels on cable than by antenna

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PeaceKeeper:

I have antenna now, and the site does a good job of showing me the ones I get OTA, but not via the coax rfom the wall

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bcgrown:

try zap2it.com

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Shadow_U:

PeaceKeeper: it would illustrate the digital unencrypted channels you would get from coax

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm i get every channel between 1 and 75 on coax. those do not show on the site

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mcur:

wagnerrp: Sorry, got a phone call. Yeah, this is backend only. I want something that looks nice, but it doesn't need to fit into a home entertainment system. Just something small-ish and attractive.

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bcgrown:

PeaceKeeper, those are probably analog channels

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mcur:

For comparison, I was looking at this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129044

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bcgrown:

mcur, check out this one: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35 . . . dia%20System

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wagnerrp:

if its a backend only, and you can shove it anywhere you want, why not just get a big case that will handle however many drives you want?

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PeaceKeeper:

Right :) that is what I need to find a analog tuner :)

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PeaceKeeper:

But looks like most are not being mad anymore (?) example:pvr-500

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mcur:

wagnerrp: Cuz I do have a sense of style. :) I've grown to dislike typical huge computer cases

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PeaceKeeper:

madee**

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PeaceKeeper:

ugg made*

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bcgrown:

PeaceKeeper, there are plenty of used ones available. ebay, craigslist, etc

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PeaceKeeper:

Good pointer. I will check that out. thx

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mcur:

I won't really be putting it into a closet or anything, as I want it to be on-switch

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Shadow_U:

PeaceKeeper: you could get something like the wintv=hvr-2250

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Shadow_U:

digitl tuner and analog tuner

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wagnerrp:

Shadow_U: doesnt do analog

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Shadow_U:

2 of each in fact

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wagnerrp:

and its only two tuners, not four

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bcgrown:

yeah, no linux support for ntsc :(

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Shadow_U:

oh right in linux it doesnt do analog in linux

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Shadow_U:

ah whoops sorry i was wrong

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wagnerrp:

it has two hybrid tuners

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Shadow_U:

i really want one of those hdpvrs

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wagnerrp:

each can only tune analog or digital

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wagnerrp:

but not both at the same time

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Shadow_U:

yeah i realised that after the fact

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PeaceKeeper:

Shadow_U: i have a hvr-2250 but the analog is not supported

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bcgrown:

PeaceKeeper: if you're just looking for analog, grab a PVR-500. i don't think there are too many other well-supported dual-tuner cards

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PeaceKeeper:

I found one but the bracket looks funny. Not sure I can make it work

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bcgrown:

i'm guessing you're looking at one of those hp media centre ones on ebay

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wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: you found the HP OEM version

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bcgrown:

you probably could make it work, but the normal pci ones show up often too so why bother

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wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: i believe you can buy a new bracket from hauppauge if it came to it

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm maybe. Not sure what price point I am looking for.

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bcgrown:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& . . . 350328687060

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PeaceKeeper:

a lot of refurbished. but since that dont make them new...

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bcgrown:

if you have lots of spare pci slots it might be cheaper to get two pvr-150's

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PeaceKeeper:

I am in US :) but thx

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PeaceKeeper:

I have 3 pci open

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bcgrown:

they ship worldwide

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PeaceKeeper:

I was hoping for one cable in with pvr-500 to keep it clean

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bcgrown:

i have the wintv pvr-usb2 and it works well. it's basically an external pvr-150

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bcgrown:

pvr-500 = 2 x pvr-150, i think

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PeaceKeeper:

Looks like that on the wiki

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bcgrown:

the picture quality isn't great but then analog cable always looks like crap on LCDs anyway

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wagnerrp:

mcur: personally, ive grown quite fond of hotswap

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wagnerrp:

i dont think i would build another backend without that

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mcur:

wagnerrp: Do you have failures that often?

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wagnerrp:

or at the very least, some sort of sideways mount like seen in the lian-li towers

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wagnerrp:

in the last ~4yrs of running hardware raid with hotswap bays.... i think ive replaced 4 drives

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mcur:

How many disks in the array?

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wagnerrp:

11 between two arrays

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mcur:

Ahhh, gotcha

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wagnerrp:

now that was first started with 300s, now running 750s

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wagnerrp:

were i still running the original drives, i would probably have had a lot more failures

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mcur:

*nods*

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bcgrown:

what are you doing to your drives

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bcgrown:

to make them wear out so fast

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wagnerrp:

filling them, and needing more space

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mcur:

11 drives is a lot, it's not surprising that half have failed over 4 years

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mcur:

A little unusual, yes, but not unbelievable

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wagnerrp:

i replaced them any time the raid card kicked them out

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wagnerrp:

which may have been just an ignored blip by most people

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PeaceKeeper:

so is a pvr-150 or pvr-250 better?

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wagnerrp:

150

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok :)

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bcgrown:

Wiki: This product has been rendered obsolete by the Hauppauge PVR-150.

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PeaceKeeper:

I saw that :) I just was not sure if it was better.

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bcgrown:

Do you need a remote? Some of the Hauppauge tuners have a "Media Center Edition" that includes a MCE remote and IR receiver

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bcgrown:

makes setup a lot easier

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PeaceKeeper:

No I have that covered.

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bcgrown:

ah ok then you can go for the cheapest one

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dan__t:

So, way cool. Got a MythTV frontend built tonight.

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dan__t:

In my "server", I have two hauppauge pvr cards. unfortunately I can't tell them apart once the machine is up.

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bcgrown:

Why do you need to?

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bcgrown:

I mean, doesn't the backend setup tell them apart somehow?

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silverdulcet:

you can name them differently.

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silverdulcet:

but unless they record different sources it doesn't really matter.

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dan__t:

Sure. I just want to know which card is in this slot, which card is in that slot.

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dan__t:

Researching device IDs now

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: if youre using the tuner, it doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

if youre capturing off an STB, it very much matters

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silverdulcet:

in that case, most cards have module options that you can set which tuner is the first tuner, and which is the second.

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dan__t:

Yeah, they're different cards, I need to configure them properly.

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bcgrown:

why can't I delete livetv recordings from mythweb?

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bcgrown:

on recorded programs i hit delete, it disappears, then if i reload the page they're back again

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silverdulcet:

dan__t: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/430222

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dan__t:

Hot.

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silverdulcet:

dan__t: that thread lists how to check if your cards module supports specifying which tuner card is which, and then how to do it.

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bcgrown:

2010-05–07 20:44:44.540 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/videomatic/1171_20100219063842.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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bcgrown:

err.. if the file doesn't exist, why do i want the metadata?

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dan__t:

Very cool, thank you very much.

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wagnerrp:

because its an orphaned file, something is wrong

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wagnerrp:

rather than arbitrarily delete it, its leaving it there for you to correct the problem

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dan__t:

I'll just use one for now, just to get things working.

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: if the file actually does exist,but is on a currently disconnected drive

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wagnerrp:

you deleting the metadata would resulted in an orphaned file, possibly consuming several GB of space

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bcgrown:

so.. how do i delete the metadata

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dan__t:

mythtv-setup doesn't like being ran through remote X displays it seems

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bcgrown:

since I know for sure that the file doesn't exist

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wagnerrp:

dan__t: it likes it just fine

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dan__t:

I must be missing qt bits

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wagnerrp:

dan__t: QT is only needed by the client

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wagnerrp:

its a code library, not something sent over X

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dan__t:

mythtv-setup is a component of the backend though, isn't it?

[23:52:22]

wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup is the X client

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dan__t:

oh

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: there is a script in contrib to remove orphans, however it is obsolete, and has not been maintained in some time

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if it currently works properly

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bcgrown:

le sigh

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silverdulcet:

wagnerrp: I read a thread that said it probably isn't a good idea to run it on 0.23

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bcgrown:

silverdulcet: i'm on 02.2

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bcgrown:

er.. 0.22

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silverdulcet:

bcgrown: it didn't work for the person on 0.23, not sure about 0.22.

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dan__t:

so... mythtv-setup is ran by a client, that connects to a backend, to configure it and stuff?

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bcgrown:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl that doesn't fill me with confidence

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bcgrown:

i think i have a bunch of orphaned files in my LiveTV dir too, is it safe to delete them?

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bcgrown:

i can live with the orphan db records, but i want my 17GB back

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