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Saturday, May 8th, 2010, 00:03 AST

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silverdulcet:

bcgrown: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/418595

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silverdulcet:

bcgrown: some people seem to use it with 0.22 and have no problems, but definately heed the warning in that thread, backup your DB and check your logs for problems. Also realize that you might not see problems till later.

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bcgrown:

sounds like it's not worth the trouble

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bcgrown:

what happens if i just delete the files and some of them happen to still be in the db?

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dan__t:

Are there any HDMI capture cards?

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dan__t:

or did i just make that up

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wagnerrp:

yes there are, and they are worthless to us

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bcgrown:

dan__t: none that are within reach of a normal person's budget

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bcgrown:

afaik

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wagnerrp:

actually avermedia has one for $80

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bcgrown:

oh

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wagnerrp:

and i think the blackmagic one goes for $150

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bcgrown:

why are they worthless then?

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sphery:

bcgrown: don't delete outside of Myth

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown, dan__t: because they will not accept HDCP content

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bcgrown:

ah

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wagnerrp:

and you will not find a digital out that is not using HDCP

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sphery:

bcgrown: go into Watch Recordings and change the filter to LiveTV then just go through and delete each file

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sphery:

er, each recording

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bcgrown:

sphery: that's what i was doing

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bcgrown:

sphery: mythbackend wouldn't delete them from the DB because it couldn't find the files

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sphery:

you're not deleting properly, then

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sphery:

what exactly are you hitting

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sphery:

bcgrown: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F

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bcgrown:

"Delete"

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bcgrown:

what else is there

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sphery:

the Delete key?

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sphery:

or the D key

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bcgrown:

the "Delete" button in mythweb

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sphery:

or MENU|Delete

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sphery:

oh, you're using MythWeb

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sphery:

/that/ is your problem

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sphery:

mythweb can't delete recordings when the files don't exist

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bcgrown:

but mythweb says i have 11 livetv recordings and there are 19 in my livetv dir

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sphery:

well go through mythfrontend and delete all the live tv

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bcgrown:

gotta wait to see if the canucks will score twice in the last minute

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bcgrown:

lol

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bcgrown:

ugh

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bcgrown:

i'm gonna cey

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bcgrown:

*cry

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dan__t:

So I should give up on trying to use HDMI right from my cable box eh

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dan__t:

Hey look at that, Fedora on my 40" TV. That's new.

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bcgrown:

where is the option to display/hide livetv in the Watch Recordings screen?

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sphery:

MENU|Change Group Filter

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sphery:

in 0.23-fixes, you might have to hit MENU 2 times if you're in the list of shows instead of the list of titles

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bcgrown:

i don't get livetv in that list

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bcgrown:

ah never mind

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bcgrown:

it's group view, not group filter

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sphery:

MENU|Change Group View and enable LiveTV

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sphery:

no, it's both :)

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bcgrown:

umm.. not on my pc

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bcgrown:

anyways... there isn't a "delete all in group", is there?

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bcgrown:

i hope there isn't actually

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bcgrown:

that would be dangerous

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sphery:

MENU|Add this group to the Playlist , MENU|Playlist Options|Delete

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sphery:

but it won't work if the files are missing

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bcgrown:

ah, well i didn't have that many to do

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sphery:

as it won't prompt for missing files and it won't delete recordings if files are missing unless it prompts and gets confirmation

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bcgrown:

that didn't delete *any* of the files in my LiveTV folder though...

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bcgrown:

and they're all old too. i must have changed the storage ettings a while back

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wagnerrp:

sphery: did you see that? i swayed someone away from virtual machines!

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sphery:

nice!

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bcgrown:

what's so bad about VM's?

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wagnerrp:

whats so good about VMs?

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bcgrown:

i can run windows software on linux without rebooting

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wagnerrp:

so?

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bcgrown:

or resorting to wine

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sphery:

what's so bad about using a hammer to cut a board in 2?

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bcgrown:

(which doesn't work)

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sphery:

(wrong tool for the job)

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bcgrown:

bad analogy

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sphery:

these are users trying to use VM's to host different parts of Myth on the same physical host

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bcgrown:

well that i dont get

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wagnerrp:

VMs are only worthwhile is you /need/ to run different operating systems

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dan__t:

Now, all I need is an IR blaster, and I'll be happy.

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wagnerrp:

if you dont, there are other, better solutions

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bcgrown:

no argument there

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sphery:

wagnerrp: .append("and you don't have multiple physical machines")

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wagnerrp:

been reading python? or is that QT syntax as well?

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bcgrown:

trying to back up the important config from /etc/ before i reinstall... what else should i save besides /mythtv/ and /lirc/ ?

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sphery:

bcgrown: database backup-- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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bcgrown:

sphery: well yes of course, but i meant in terms of config files

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wagnerrp:

i know QT has similar syntax when dealing with strings, but i dont know what the specific one is for appending to one

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sphery:

also Qt, I think

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sphery:

http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qstring.html#append

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bcgrown:

Does MythWelcome also store its config in the database?

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sphery:

yes

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dan__t:

hrm... i don't have enough stuff here to make an IR blaster.

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bcgrown:

dan__t: there are sometimes really cheap ones on ebay

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dan__t:

Yea got two on the way

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bcgrown:

i mean... it's just an led isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: and a handful of chips to drive it, yes

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: right, i'm thinking of the MCE blaster

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bcgrown:

the drivers are built into the receiver

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dan__t:

i got an MCE remote today

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dan__t:

It came with a receiver.

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dan__t:

But if I use that, I have no receiver for my MCE remote that belongs to my frontend

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dan__t:

So its an HVR-1600 card, seems to be working well.

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dan__t:

I mean it loads fine now, very well indeed.

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bcgrown:

btw, stupid IR trick: your cell phone camera can probably see the IR from your remote

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dan__t:

Now I just need to send some video to it :)

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bcgrown:

they don't bother to put IR filters in

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dan__t:

nope.

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wagnerrp:

dan__t: most webcams with IR filters can see the IR from a remote just fine

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dan__t:

Guess the hauppauge ir dongle thing could be used as a blaster.

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dan__t:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 – it doesn't see the device, it doesn't exist, blah blah

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fleers:

I know this is OT here, but what of this "FCC allows cable, satellite companies to block copying of movies" news?

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fleers:

"selectable output control" and the ability to turn off STB output?

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wagnerrp:

movies that are within 90 days of original release, and are not yet available on disc, are eligible for SOC

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wagnerrp:

so content that has previously not been available is eligible

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wagnerrp:

s/has/was/

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wagnerrp:

you have not lost access to anything

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fleers:

ok, so I can continue to record Hogans Heroes :-)

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wagnerrp:

you just cant use new services they want to provide

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fleers:

got it, thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

the fear is that this will set a bad precedence to allow SOC waivers for a broader range of content

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fleers:

yeah, I see the 'foot in the door' angle

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wagnerrp:

but in and of itself, this has no affect on mythtv users

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bcgrown:

...unless they want to record the aforementioned movies

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bcgrown:

(via hdpvr)

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: those movies previously would not have existed for mythtv users to record

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bcgrown:

well, the would not have existed for anyone

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wagnerrp:

so nothing gained, nothing lost

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bcgrown:

so everyone else gains new movies, mythtv users don't

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bcgrown:

new movies gained, new movies lost

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wagnerrp:

unless you want to shell out for an HDFury

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iamlindoro:

The point is that Cable companies don't get movies in less than 90 days, and don't get them before the optical media-- so nothing at all is lost. It's only the precedent that is worrisome

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bcgrown:

my db backup is about 14MB, does that sound right?

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wagnerrp:

how many recordings?

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bcgrown:

25

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wagnerrp:

seems a bit big

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bcgrown:

and a whack of schedules

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wagnerrp:

how many channels?

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bcgrown:

probably 100 schedules, and hrmm... maybe 100 channels or so? haven't counted

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wagnerrp:

recording schedules dont make much different

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wagnerrp:

neither do recordings

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J-e-f-f-A:

My db backup is only 644MB

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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wagnerrp:

and while oldrecorded continues to grow, thats not very much either

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wagnerrp:

the two biggies are the guide data, which is fairly static in size

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bcgrown:

my channel listings are also doubled since i have one source for analog channels and one for digital

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wagnerrp:

and the seekdata, which scales based off your number of recordings

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bcgrown:

though the analog guide data has a lot less channels

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bcgrown:

but anyway.. "seems a bit big" makes me feel better than "that's way too small" :)

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wagnerrp:

but its 14MB, who cares about that much space

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bcgrown:

oh i don't care about the space

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bcgrown:

i just want to make sure i've done it right

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wagnerrp:

even at 644MB, who cares about that much space

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wagnerrp:

although im sure that takes a LONG time to decompress and insert

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bcgrown:

^^ see above

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J-e-f-f-A:

bcgrown: For comparison, I've got 906 rows in my channel table, 19261 in my oldrecorded, etc... I've been running myth for years, and have 1451 recordings and 200+ videos online right now... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

videos dont take much, neither does oldrecorded

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wagnerrp:

but those 1451 recordings (with seekdata) are killer

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ver:

meh, perspective. my pvr only has 1.5tb, and it fills up fast.

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and the guide data for 906 channels...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, two weeks of that, probably some 300–400k shows

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine how long your MFD runs are

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markl_:

what time zone are you guys in?

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markl_:

mountain here

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wagnerrp:

and your scheduler, must take half a minute

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: hehehe... select count(*) from program = 482294 ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

markl_: Eastern. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: lot of half-hour shows then

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markl_:

a night owl eh

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wagnerrp:

what? the day is still young

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: probably — Dish "Top 250" – and OTA ATSC, and an IPTV stb.

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J-e-f-f-A:

markl_: Occasionally on the weekend... ;-) But I'm getting old, so I can't do it all the time anymore...

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bcgrown:

markl_: pacific

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: it takes mythfilldatabase about 25 minutes to run on my system... ;-)

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dan__t:

Hrm this frontend keeps trying to hit 127.0.0.1, thinking that is its backend.

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dan__t:

And that who;e "Could not connect to the master backend server" thing repeats.

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sphery:

dan__t: if you have more than one host, you can't use 127.0.0.1 or localhost anywhere in the config

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sphery:

run mythtv-setup on all hosts and in General settings set the hostnames and ip addresses correctly

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dan__t:

oh really.

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dan__t:

ok.

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bcgrown:

copying 88GB at 19MB/sec :(

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wagnerrp:

so slow...

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bcgrown:

external 2.5" USB drive

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bcgrown:

lots of little files

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bcgrown:

makes me sad

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dserban:

bcgrown, in bc?

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bcgrown:

how'd you guess?

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dserban:

lol

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dserban:

interior/coast?

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dserban:

it's cool that someone else runs myth... "nearby"

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wagnerrp:

dserban: figure theres at least several dozen myth users in any major metropolitan area

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bcgrown:

i am not at liberty to divulge specific location information

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dserban:

:o lol, that's fine

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bcgrown:

not that it would be hard for you to figure out

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dserban:

wagnerrp, I'm not in a major metro area

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dserban:

bcgrown, already did

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bcgrown is now known as abgrown

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abgrown:

ha! now what, sucka?

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dserban:

Address: 300–112 E 3rd Ave.

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dserban:

City: Vancouver

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dserban:

StateProv: BC

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dserban:

:o liar!

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abgrown:

haha

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abgrown:

nice try

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pturban:

confused?

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abgrown:

nope

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abgrown is now known as bcgrown

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pturban:

vancouver anyway i messed up when I copied the addy

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bcgrown:

congratulations, you found my isp's address

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wagnerrp:

dserban: theres several people in here from the BC/Vancouver area

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dserban:

generic enough to answer my query no?

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bcgrown:

yep

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wagnerrp:

and several more in the seattle area (including a couple devs)

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dserban:

wagnerrp, ahh, wasn't aware

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bcgrown:

does anybody have an estimate of mythtv's userbase?

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bcgrown:

obviously it would be hard to get an accurate count

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wagnerrp:

most estimates put it somewhere in the 10s of thousands

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bcgrown:

not bad

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dan__t:

Hah, ok, things are working well now.

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dan__t:

I'm pumped.

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dan__t:

So playing around with DVD options, seems I need to run mythfrontend from the machine that has an optical drive

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dan__t:

Can I queue up a copy of the family's home movies from the backend server itself? do i always need to fire up mythfrontend, on the backend, to do that?

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wagnerrp:

the backend handles all recording and file management duties

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wagnerrp:

the frontend handles all playback duties

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dan__t:

i understand.

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dan__t:

I understand that, too.

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wagnerrp:

are you talking about using mythvideo to rip dvds?

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dan__t:

So I can't throw a family movie in the backend server itself, which is not my frontend in this case, and use *a* frontend to go tell that backend to do its thing?

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dan__t:

yep.

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wagnerrp:

no, that has to be performed on the frontend

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dan__t:

er backend

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dan__t:

that has to be preformed on the backend

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dan__t:

so i can't be as lazy as i want

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo only exists on the frontend

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wagnerrp:

so mythvideo's dvd ripping capacity only exists on the frontend

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dan__t:

oic

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dan__t:

How does that content find its way back to the backend?

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont really know

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wagnerrp:

never used mythvideo's dvd ripping

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dan__t:

np

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dserban:

via the network protocol

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dan__t:

figured, just curious.

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dan__t:

thanks.

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wagnerrp:

dserban: no, not so much

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dan__t:

Kinda bummed that my blasters didn't come today

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wagnerrp:

the network protocol supports reading from anywhere, but can only write to the root of a storage group

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dan__t:

I can't actually test watching real TV on this setup.

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dserban:

wagnerrp, no? I thought sg's were the target

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dan__t:

Well I guess I could.....

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dan__t:

I could just change the STB to one channel. And watch like CSI all night. But that's boring.

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wagnerrp:

that works fine for artwork where you dont need to put it in a folder tree

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wagnerrp:

but for ripping, im sure it requires at least local file access

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dan__t:

Its a lot of data, that's why I just assumed it only happened on the backend.

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dserban:

hmm it's been ages for me ... .20 since I did a rip via the frontend

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dan__t:

How do you normally do it?

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waxhead:

anyone running a diskless mythbuntu frontend?

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waxhead:

I'm having a heck of a time getting the nvidia driver installed and running... the nouveau driver removed...

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waxhead:

I have black listed the nouveau driver too

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bcgrown:

ok i am not waiting for these last 15,000 files to get copied... good night folks

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wagnerrp:

whats with the using one account to open another account on the wiki?

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bobboau:

I have a compatability problem between a new mythbuntu server I just set up and all my mint 8 desktops, mythbuntu uses version 0.23 mythtv, while mint only has version 0.22, installing from source is an option filled with pain, suffering, dependency hell and lack of any update support. is there a way i could maybe install the front end from the 10.04 ubuntu repos or something? mint is effectively 9.10

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wagnerrp:

if you have myth installed, you should already have all the dependencies you need

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wagnerrp:

installing myth should be nothing more than a './configure; make; make install'

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bobboau:

yeah, it complains about qmake, then after I install that in complains about freetype, haveing the front end installed via repos does not install the source dependencies and I do not see a source package in the repos.

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bobboau:

maybe I missed it though...

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jstenback:

anyone else here seeing choppy playback on an ION system and the new drivers (195.x)?

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jstenback:

works wonderfully here with driver version 190.53, but none of the newer ones seem to work

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jstenback:

using VDPAU

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jstenback:

if I disable the deinterlacer in myth, 1080i content plays back "ok", but with Temporal 1x, which works fine with the old driver, is completely unusable

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dan__t:

welp. i'm not happy. this is a drag.

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dan__t:

welp time to get drunk and throw this box away.

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dan__t:

thanks anyway for the help guys. 'night.

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bobboau:

is there a way to configure the front end to not completely take over the interface (i.e. run in a window)? ideally a way to toggle between the two modes while running.

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wagnerrp:

yes, no

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wagnerrp:

'mythfrontend --windowed'

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wagnerrp:

or set it as the default in the appearance settings

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gbee:

does anyone know of a decent xml+dtd validator?

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gbee:

I've been using www.xmlvalidation.com but it's choking on my parameter entities

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gbee:

and it doesn't give enough information for some errors meaning you spend ages looking for an issue which is apparently _somewhere_ in a large xml block

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Cervera_AFK:

hey, i started getting an error while trying to wach livetv:

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Cervera_AFK:

"error: mythtv is using all inputs"

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Cervera_AFK:

"but there are no active recordings?"

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Cervera:

anyone knows about this problem?

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bobboau:

ok, I think I've got everything working except it seems to be stuck in slow motion, I've tried useing 'u' and 'j' to change playback speeds and it says it's playing at normal speed, and fast forwarding kills the sound, right now everyone sounds like a go'uld

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Cervera:

now, if i restart the backend, error dissapears, but i still can't access the card. just throws me back into menu

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Cervera:

where can i find backend logs?

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oobe:

Cervera, possible issue is you need to setup your video sources for each input in mythtv-setup

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oobe:

you can check your backend logs at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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Cervera:

well, here's the log: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/zBt3JKfA

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Cervera:

guess i messed up the database when i tried to change settings in my ecternal grabber

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Cervera:

external ^^

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Cervera:

and one more problem: mythweb stopped working today, it's running on apache2? where can i find a log for troubleshooting that too?

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xris:

Cervera: wherever you told apache to log to?

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bobboau:

ok, my playback is in slow motion, I'm fairly sure it's not simply playing back in slow motion, I have a seperate front and back end.

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Cervera:

xris – i didn't i use the mythbuntu distro it had a mythweb option in mythbuntu control panel. just enabled it

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Cervera:

and it worked for some time

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Cervera:

up untill electricity went down and computer restarted

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oobe:

well that would be why your database is having problems

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Cervera:

what ways do i have to edit channels list? mythweb stopped working, and through backend gui it's frustrating

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oobe:

mythweb is most likely not loading cause the database is screwed

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Cervera:

oh

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Cervera:

that explains

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oobe:

if you have a good backup system in place for mythconverg

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Cervera:

so – fix db -> both problems solved

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oobe:

should do yes

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Cervera:

oobe: i prefer rebuilding databse

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oobe:

i would check if you have any recent backups of your database

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oobe:

Cervera, you should still backup

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Cervera:

i use an external xml for EPG

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oobe:

and mythbuntu packages setup a cronjob that does that for you

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oobe:

so?

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Cervera:

i didn't configure the channels right in there

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Cervera:

so backups wont help

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oobe:

well not if you only have backups of a poorly misconfigured system

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Cervera:

i mean restoring old backups nw

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Cervera:

i'

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Cervera:

ll try rebuilding

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oobe:

how do you mean rebuild

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Cervera:

well, yesterday somebody helped my here figure out how to make channel listings (i'm out of the us)

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Cervera:

i have to use mythfilldatabase --file

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oobe:

ok well that wont help then

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Cervera:

okay..

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Cervera:

so, what happeded that messed up the database? the only thing i changed (for starters) was the website the grabber used

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Cervera:

now, the database seems to be fine enough for me to see the EPG from frontend

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Cervera:

oobe: can you give me a lead on how to fix the db?

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oobe:

i would consider looking for any system backups then looking for docs on restoring the database

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Cervera:

okay

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Cervera:

oobe: are you sure it isn't better to build the database from scratch? it still doesn't hold anything, except garbage from tests

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oobe:

look if you feel that way

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** Cervera doesn't realy know how to rebuild the db either **

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oobe:

you can just drop the database and start from scratch

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Cervera:

:/

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oobe:

which is easier if you havent used mythtv much and are just learning and dont have loads of recordings and preferences saved

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oobe:

but that usually isnt the case

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Cervera:

i have only ONE recording and it's a test too

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oobe:

that is why there is a system for backing and and restoring

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Cervera:

okay okay, i'll restore

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oobe:

which is completely different to scanning in channels etc.

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Cervera:

lol

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oobe:

you can just drop the database and start again if you like

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oobe:

but if you do expect to redo every single thing you have already done

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oobe:

if you wanna look for backups there might be some in /var/backups/

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Cervera:

ls /var/backups/

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Cervera:

dpkg.status.0 group.bak gshadow.bak passwd.bak shadow.bak

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oobe:

also check if you have cronjobs setup in /etc/cron.weekly i.e this file /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database

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oobe:

no i guess you dont have that option anyway

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bobboau:

when myth plays in slow motion or fast forward does it disable sound by default?

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oobe:

locate mythconverg.sql

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oobe:

bobboau, yes

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oobe:

it doesnt play sounds when it ffwd

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oobe:

i dont know about slow mo

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Cervera:

oobe: where should i look? /etc?

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bobboau:

ok, so that means the fact that i can hear sound while playing means that my slow mo problem is not simply the player playing in slow motion

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oobe:

i just told you before

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oobe:

<oobe> locate mythconverg.sql

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oobe:

<oobe> also check if you have cronjobs setup in /etc/cron.weekly i.e this file /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database

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oobe:

if you dont have a cronjob setup to backup the database then its unlikely that you have any backups

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oobe:

unless you did it manually which you didnt

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Cervera:

i saw that, i meant where can i find mythconverg.sql except in /var/backups/?

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oobe:

no where if you havent backed up the database

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Cervera:

well /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database exists

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oobe:

open it read it

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oobe:

see where the backups are meant to be saved

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oobe:

check that location

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Cervera:

i'm in ssh, so, what keyword should i use for grep?

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Cervera:

oh, it's small, sorry

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oobe:

that is in my old file BACKUP="/var/backups/$DBNAME.sql.gz"

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oobe:

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oobe:

i wouldnt bother using grep its not a big file

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Cervera:

here it is: /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl

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Cervera:

and i have mythconverg_restore.pl in there too

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Cervera:

what do i do with those files?

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Cervera:

oobe ^^

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oobe:

thats a script to backup your database

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Cervera:

well i guess it didn't backup anything yet (it's only 2 days old)

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Cervera:

weird thing is that fronend can access the database for previous recordings, epg, scheduled recordings

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benh:

Hi folks !

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benh:

anybody has experience setting up myth backend to grab udp streams ?

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benh:

I'm using "network recorder" and trying to make up a m3u file

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benh:

something simple for now, basically along the lines of

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benh:

#EXTM3U

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benh:

#EXTINF:0,2 – ABC 1

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benh:

udp://239.193.0.2:8208

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benh:

but when I do a "scan" with that, it seems to hang

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benh:

all controls in mythtv setup are grayed out like it's doing the scan... but nothing happen, I have to kill it

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benh:

this is the mythbuntu version btw, so 0.23.0+fixes24158–0ubuntu2

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benh:

I verified that otherwise, things work, ie, vlc udp://@239.193.0.2:8208 works

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benh:

ok, so it didn;t like the content of my m3u (doesn't like blank lines)

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benh:

and it hangs when it thinks there's 0 channels in there :-)

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benh:

now, I need to figure out if it can strip out whatever data comes up in the first few scanlines of the stream

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benh:

there's some program guide data in there I think but myth doesn't seem to have the option to do EPG on network streams

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benh:

either that or it's some other text crap, anyways, should be reasonably standard stuff

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Cervera:

hey, where can i find the sql folder that holds mc.sql? just dropped my db and want to create a new one so i can import a backup

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poppeye:

hi, i'm working on a new mythtv setup, and i think i almost have it all going (had some troubles with the mysql database setup). but when i run the frontend it says cannot connect to backend is it running? So i looked at the system logs and it is continuously reporting this message:

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poppeye:

May 8 08:13:49 tim-desktop init: mythtv-backend main process (3974) terminated with status 254

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poppeye:

May 8 08:13:49 tim-desktop init: mythtv-backend main process ended, respawning

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gbee:

kill the init script, then run mythtv-backend from the command line

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poppeye:

i'm sorry, could you help me with the commands to do that from the command line/

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gbee:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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gbee:

mythbackend

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gbee:

alternatively you could look at the backend log to see why it was failing to start

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oobe:

they messed with init.d in *buntu now it uses upstart

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oobe:

which respawns a process once its killed

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gbee:

tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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oobe:

service mythbackend stop should work

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gbee:

oobe: the init script still works

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oobe:

maybe /etc/init.d/mythbackend still does too

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oobe:

yea i wasnt sure

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oobe:

it somtimes didnt for me

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oobe:

was all messed up with symlinks

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poppeye:

ok, thank you. by the way, i typed mythbackend and the backend started right up

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Cervera:

where can i find the sql folder that holds mc.sql? just dropped my db and want to create a new one so i can import a backup

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iamlindoro:

!trout users google your bug idiot

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** MythLogBot slaps users with a google your bug idiot trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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iamlindoro:

or at least, google the error message...

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gbee:

*sigh* some idiot techie has disabled ssh access to my shared hosting

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Beirdo:

oh wonderful

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** gbee files a ticket and waits **

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Beirdo:

make sure it contains the appropriate abuse :)

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FlyOnTheWall:

is there any way to set the internal player keybindings so that enter would pause/play instead of (un)setting bookmarks?

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FlyOnTheWall:

I have little use for bookmarks, but I use pause a lot

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FlyOnTheWall:

I can't find where keybind settings anywhere

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Beirdo:

well, I'm off to go do some laundry

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FlyOnTheWall:

enjoy

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gbee:

FlyOnTheWall: Setup > Edit Keys

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ctmjr:

Hi i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction am running release-0-23-rc1 and the problem is my program guide list the channel lineup in an erratic manner it list channels 4, 24, 67.... in myth-setup i set it to list channels by number, but it does not help am getting my line up from schedules direct and scte65scan to map the channels

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FlyOnTheWall:

gbee, that's where I first had a look, but there was no clear place there

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FlyOnTheWall:

the video keys don't list a pause button

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iamlindoro:

TV playback

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FlyOnTheWall:

and setting something there overwrites the "select"-key setting in the global settings, which is what enter is by default

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FlyOnTheWall:

hm..

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FlyOnTheWall:

ok

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FlyOnTheWall:

it worked

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FlyOnTheWall:

thanks

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FlyOnTheWall:

was afraid it would unbind the select key if I picked it from there

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FlyOnTheWall:

thanks very much gbee and iamlindoro

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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ThisOtherGuy:

I recently saw a new setting in trunk for not scheduling back to back on the same card – but I can't find the setting in the UI – can anyone help me?

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dfletcher:

hmm, once in a while IR blasting fails in my system. it misses a digit and borks the recording. anyone else think --count=3 or 4 on irsend would fix this?

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** dfletcher tempted to just try it **

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sphery:

probably the best way to find out

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sphery:

might also be that you need to increase the inter-digit sleep

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dfletcher:

yeah already tweaked that a bit it's already taking 2+ seconds to do 4 digits

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dfletcher:

this box seems stupid sensitive if I go too high it times out

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dfletcher:

but I'm just remembering what I know of remotes. when you hit a button, you probably send that code 5 to 10 times for the once that the box actually picks it up and uses it

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dfletcher:

so I thought count might help

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ThisOtherGuy:

I found it – it was in Set Recording Priorities on the Frontend

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ezzieyguywuf:

ok guys. I'm ready to install mythtv on my gentoo box. I still need to go by best buy (or what have you) to get one of these cable cards. I'd like to get some suggestions on one that is supported well in linux, is affordable, and handles hd content. I will be buying 2.

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ezzieyguywuf:

no? nothing?

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sphery:

ezzieyguywuf: best bet is probably http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/

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sphery:

but remember you can only get unencrypted cable

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sphery:

if you want to get the encrypted channels, your only option is analog capture

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sphery:

so you'd use the Hauppauge PVR-150 for standard def or the Hauppauge HD-PVR for high-def.

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dan__t:

hi.

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dan__t:

schedulesdirect, please let me pull schedules at more than 60k/s

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dan__t:

i dread mythfilldatabase.

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wagnerrp:

dan__t: why?

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wagnerrp:

it runs in the background, without any human interaction

[13:18:23]

dan__t:

Because it takes 15 minutes to download?

[13:18:24]

wagnerrp:

it usually runs late at night

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dan__t:

mythtv told me to run it, so i ran it.

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wagnerrp:

and youre pulling content from 2 weeks out, not anything particularly time imperative

[13:19:12]

wagnerrp:

youre not running mfd EVERY time you run mythtv-setup are you?

[13:20:25]

wagnerrp:

you only need to run mfd manually if it is the first time ever running it on a new system

[13:20:41]

wagnerrp:

or if you added new sources or channels, and want to get guide data for them now

[13:23:17]

clever:

start something up

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clever:

oops

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dan__t:

haha i didn't know

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TheAsp:

dan__t: if i tell you to give me $1000, will you do it? :)

[13:24:52]

wagnerrp:

i even think the popup says something like 'if this is your first time running myth, you should run mythfilldatabase'

[13:24:58]

wagnerrp:

i thought it was something to that effect

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TheAsp:

yeah, i think so

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dan__t:

Well seeing as there's nothing to tell me not to do it....

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dan__t:

oh well.

[13:27:53]

dan__t:

now I know,.

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dan__t:

I got video to work now, I'm watching Flinstones.

[13:28:16]

wagnerrp:

think its safe to assume someone talking about 'downloading 1080 H.264 video' for use in mythtv is talking about some ill gotten/

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dan__t:

heh

[13:30:42]

wagnerrp:

does anyone actually offer 1080p video that isnt either behind some TOS saying 'no downloads', or encrypted?

[13:33:19]

TheAsp:

aren't some of revision3's shows 1080p?

[13:33:40]

dan__t:

wow this is awesome

[13:33:48]

TheAsp:

nope, 720p

[13:33:49]

dan__t:

kinda pixelated and no sound but i can work on that

[13:35:09]

dan__t:

So when I go to play a recording, it sits at the start screen with the big number 1 and "Playback starting somegarbledcharacters", it doesn't go any further.

[13:35:26]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: maybe some creative commons movies?

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wagnerrp:

i thought you said it was pixelated

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dan__t:

live tv is, now i'm tlaking about recordings.

[13:38:27]

dan__t:

hrm guess it locks up completely.... when i alt-tab out, then back in, mythtv doesn't redraw its window

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FisherPrice70:

Hey has anyone had any problems with browsing by genre or category in MythVideo?

[13:41:54]

dan__t:

ah well, not wasting another saturday on this.

[13:41:59]

dan__t:

cya guys on monday, thanks again for the help!

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bcgrown:

when do I want primary partitions and when do I want logical?

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wagnerrp:

you can have four primary partitions on a disk, you can have as many logical partitions you want on a disk

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bcgrown:

ok, i only want 3 partitions: OS, swap, and recordings

[13:46:05]

wagnerrp:

if you have no need for more than four partitions, no sense using logical

[13:46:11]

bcgrown:

should i make them all primary?

[13:52:36]

bcgrown:

the mythbuntu setup by default sets every partition after the 1st one as logical.. is it trying to tell me something?

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wagnerrp:

nope, they just do it that way rather than have extra code to do it differently if there are more than 4 partitions

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wagnerrp:

its pretty moot, since fdisk and that form of partitioning are obsolete

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bcgrown:

hrmm.. now that i think about it.. should i have separate partitions for /, /home, /usr/local/, /var ?

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wagnerrp:

if you want, most people dont bother

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bcgrown:

hm

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bcgrown:

i never have either but since i have to wipe the whole system i may as well get it right this time

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wagnerrp:

my server has a buttload of partitions, primarily because the partitions are dynamic, and the filesystem im using will resize on demand

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wagnerrp:

my linux machines are all just /boot, /, and swap

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bcgrown:

what filesystem does that?

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bcgrown:

xfs?

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wagnerrp:

zfs

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bcgrown:

solaris?

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wagnerrp:

bsd

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bcgrown:

ah... dynamically resizing partitions would be nice

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wagnerrp:

it only has worth because i can manage, and more importantly snapshot them, independently

[14:05:05]

bcgrown:

what fs do people normally use for /boot?

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bjd:

zfs++

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wagnerrp:

has to be something your bootloader understands

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wagnerrp:

which usually means ext2

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wagnerrp:

you can get by with something else

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wagnerrp:

but its such a small partition

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bcgrown:

ext2 is probably the safest though, i'm guessing?>

[14:06:24]

wagnerrp:

and used so infrequently

[14:06:40]

wagnerrp:

better to just use something safe/reliable/whatever

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bcgrown:

and for my recordings partition.. the default seems to be ext4, but i've read that some people trust xfs more... what to do?

[14:08:58]

wagnerrp:

xfs is just well known

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wagnerrp:

while ext4 is fairly new

[14:09:14]

wagnerrp:

i just use zfs for that as well

[14:11:22]

bcgrown:

last i read zfs wasn't well supported on linux. has that changed?

[14:11:36]

wagnerrp:

no, support through FUSE only

[14:11:42]

wagnerrp:

and thats not likely to change any time soon

[14:12:04]

wagnerrp:

linux doesnt really like having one program handle that many vertical levels

[14:12:16]

wagnerrp:

it wants to separate things out into separate programs

[14:12:27]

wagnerrp:

which has advantages and disadvantages

[14:12:57]

wagnerrp:

theyre developing their own btrfs, which is supposed to have many of the same capabilities of zfs

[14:15:31]

wagnerrp:

supposedly, its coming along pretty nicely

[14:15:38]

wagnerrp:

should be a great file system once stable

[14:15:41]

wagnerrp:

but thats a long way off

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bcgrown:

hrmm.. reading some forums and stuff. not helping me decide!

[14:16:45]

wagnerrp:

xfs, jfs, ext4... they all have their individual quirks, but should probably all be fine for recording storage

[14:17:07]

bcgrown:

eenie meenie miney moe

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wagnerrp:

some of the bigger distros have moved over to ext4 as their default FS, so its got to be fairly stable

[14:17:30]

bcgrown:

yeah i think i want to use ext4 as it seems to be the most common

[14:17:39]

bcgrown:

is 2GB for /var enough?

[14:17:45]

wagnerrp:

xfs and jfs are far more common among myth users

[14:17:51]

bcgrown:

and 200MB for /boot?

[14:17:53]

wagnerrp:

just because theyre much older

[14:17:58]

wagnerrp:

200MB should be fine for boot

[14:18:37]

wagnerrp:

2GB SHOULD be plenty for var

[14:18:51]

wagnerrp:

but a number of distros tend to use them for things that IMHO are out of place

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bcgrown:

eh, i'll make it 4 to be safe

[14:19:07]

wagnerrp:

gentoo uses /var/tmp as its compile sandbox

[14:19:33]

wagnerrp:

ubuntu stuffs all sorts of crap into /var/lib, including webroot and mythtv storage

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bcgrown:

yeah, i've changed mythtv storage to another partition though

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wagnerrp:

i was used to partitioning off 2GB or so for var

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wagnerrp:

but i had to stop that when i started using gentoo

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bcgrown:

i have filled my hd with logs before, so now i want var to have its own partition

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wagnerrp:

because when i would compile things, it will fill var and cause all sorts of havok

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wagnerrp:

if you filled your partition with logs, youre doing it wrong

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wagnerrp:

you should have log rotation in place

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bcgrown:

eh, my cpu cooler was installed wrong and i was getting a temp error every second or so

[14:21:34]

bcgrown:

so it's a good thing it happened lol

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wagnerrp:

there was someone several months ago complaining about that on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

he wanted to know how he could suppress that warning so it wouldnt continue to fill his logs

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bcgrown:

o_o

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ezzieyguywuf:

are all the USE flags mentioned http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV REALLY needed? it seems rather superfluous

[14:28:27]

ezzieyguywuf:

sphery: a belated thanks for the link.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: normally when you compile, the most you might use is '--enable-proc-opts'

[14:28:48]

wagnerrp:

gentoo does its own thing

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ezzieyguywuf:

sphery: an I will be using a cable box to decrypt. is the Hauppauge HD-PVR the de facto analog capture card?

[14:29:11]

sphery:

heh, good way to put it

[14:29:28]

sphery:

ezzieyguywuf: it's the only one that will do HDTV for Myth

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gbee:

ezzieyguywuf: ./configure --enable-proc-opts; make; make install ... that's all you _need_

[14:29:54]

ezzieyguywuf:

sphery: good to know. is a good card to have? I could forego hd (I guess) for stability/utility

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wagnerrp:

IVTV cards (pvr-150/500/1600) for analog SD, HDPVR for analog HD

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sphery:

It's not bad. It's USB, though

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sphery:

and, yeah, the SDTV versions wagnerrp mentions are good and much cheaper

[14:30:19]

ezzieyguywuf:

gbee: hrm. I guess all that other crap is just for, I dunno, "other"?

[14:30:43]

sphery:

ezzieyguywuf: it's to "optimize" your build to the point that it may not work

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gbee:

ezzieyguywuf: unfortunately gentoo types are obsessed with tinkering in ways that tend to be unnecessary and break things

[14:30:49]

ezzieyguywuf:

sphery: good, but not better? and usb? really? interesting...

[14:31:03]

ezzieyguywuf:

gbee: which distro do you run? if you don't mind be asking

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ezzieyguywuf:

*me

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sphery:

the PVR-1500/500 are SDTV only

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sphery:

ezzieyguywuf: a great choice for MythTV is any of the MythTV distros--Mythbuntu, MythDora, LinHES

[14:31:30]

ezzieyguywuf:

I'm gonna forego all the USE flags and see how things go.

[14:31:56]

wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: dont enable/disable things, just leave your USE variable empty

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gbee:

and the average gentoo tinkerer doesn't really understand what they are doing, it's no surprise that the most support requests related to broken builds come from Gentoo users (well ignoring the OSX/Windows builds)

[14:32:00]

wagnerrp:

the defaults should work fine

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sphery:

only down side--for those who aren't used to Ubuntu, Fedora, and Knoppix, respectively--is learning the new distro

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gbee:

ezzieyguywuf: I use Mandriva, although I'm in the minority here, most popular is Ubuntu followed by something like OpenSuse or Fedora

[14:32:36]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: yea that's what I'm gonna try

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ezzieyguywuf:

bare-bones system

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ezzieyguywuf:

I used to use ubuntu and changed over to gentoo

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sphery:

note that compiling with only --enable-proc-opts is /not/ a bare-bones compile

[14:32:59]

sphery:

it's a proper compile :)

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ezzieyguywuf:

sphery: lol. I dunno what --enable-proc-opts is, but I assume that the ebuild will do it for me. would you mind explaining what it does for me?

[14:33:27]

sphery:

using a ton of --enable/--disable flags is a "I'm smarter than the configure script which was designed by the people who actually wrote MythTV" build

[14:33:34]

wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: normally configure goes through, tests your system, and figures out on its own what it wants to do

[14:33:51]

wagnerrp:

gentoo forcefully overrides most of those checks, and specifies things manually

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FisherPrice70:

Hey has anyone had any problems with browsing by genre or category in MythVideo?

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sphery:

ezzieyguywuf: it just tells configure that you want an optimized build. The configure script chooses the most-appropriate arch/cpu/tune options

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sphery:

the Gentoo e-build does it their own way--and often chooses wrong

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gbee:

ezzieyguywuf: it just enables processor specific compiler optimisations, though don't get any grand ideas that things will run 10x faster and use 50% less CPU, we're talking milliseconds here or there

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sphery:

and creates non-working or, at the least, slower builds in the name of "optimization"

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wagnerrp:

it chooses the arch that the user has specified in their make.conf, which may not be valid for use

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ezzieyguywuf:

sphery: I'm familiar with ./configure . I'm also comfortable with an ebuild taking a ./configure, and modifying it if necessary. not all programmers are created equally you know.

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wagnerrp:

for instance, a while back there was some issue with the value gentoo would specify if you were running a 32-bit system

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wagnerrp:

caused it to fail on some of the hand coded asm in ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

hah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you should check out that gentoo wiki page

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ezzieyguywuf:

plus, its better than a precompiled binary that I would get from apt-get etc... I'd rather have the option of re-building with different USE flags than having to wait 6 months for a different package

[14:37:07]

wagnerrp:

specifically the warning at the top

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FisherPrice70:

My Browse by Category was working, but now :S it's not

[14:38:17]

FisherPrice70:

it's frustrating

[14:38:30]

FisherPrice70:

there's no errors in the frontend log

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FisherPrice70:

and none in the backend

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sphery:

wagnerrp: which page?

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wagnerrp:

http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV

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sphery:

FisherPrice70: in MythVideo?

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ezzieyguywuf:

wait, if I use an analog capture card, can I still record two shows at once?

[14:41:12]

wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: if you have /two/ analog capture cards, sure

[14:41:18]

FisherPrice70:

sphery: yeah, mythvideo

[14:41:34]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: but I'd need two cable boxes right?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to record two things at once, yes

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ezzieyguywuf:

poop.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, "I only had warnings within personal*.MYI files..." Funny since there are no mythconverg.personal* tables

[14:42:16]

ezzieyguywuf:

and the ONLY way to get access to all the channels is to use a cable box right? because even if I had a cable card, it wouldn' be able to decode the signal properly?

[14:42:17]

wagnerrp:

i was more looking at the 'follow these ungodly lengthy instructions for the few commands needed'

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sphery:

yeah

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FisherPrice70:

ezzieyguywuf: unless you have a card with two tuners

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wagnerrp:

seems the gentoo types only actually want to learn

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wagnerrp:

they just want to copy-paste

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sphery:

exactly

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ezzieyguywuf:

now, what if my cable box has a coax out. can I assume that sends a decoded cable signal out, and then split it, and then send it to two cable cards on my comp?

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FisherPrice70:

ezzieyguywuf: sometimes a tuner card will allow you to record two shows, as long as they come interlaced from the same channel

[14:43:19]

ezzieyguywuf:

FisherPrice70: I don't want to be bothered by that restriction

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FisherPrice70:

ezzieyguywuf: though I don't know how it works with a cable modem.....

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wagnerrp:

FisherPrice70: i dont think you mean what youre saying

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FisherPrice70:

wagnerrp: well, it depends on the teminology, I don't know if I have it right

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sphery:

ezzieyguywuf: right, there's no cable card support for *any* tuners supported in V4L-DVB, though, so Cable Card isn't an option, now.

[14:44:23]

wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: you do not want to use the coaxial out of a STB

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FisherPrice70:

I have a tuner card with two tuners for DVB-T

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sphery:

ezzieyguywuf: so you'll need one STB and one analog capture card for each concurrent recording you wish to have on "premium" channels

[14:44:40]

ezzieyguywuf:

I don't know what v4l-dvb is or stb

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FisherPrice70:

I can record up to 4 shows at a time....

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wagnerrp:

it will not be digital, it will at most be a remodulated RF signal with the video output of the STB

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sphery:

STB = set-top-box

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wagnerrp:

you will have much better quality just pulling off the svideo output

[14:45:13]

ezzieyguywuf:

svideo output of the STB?

[14:45:16]

sphery:

V4L-DVB = the APIs that provide driver support for GNU/Linux capture devices: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki

[14:45:19]

wagnerrp:

yes, the cable box

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sphery:

and if you have a "free" DTA that only has RF-modulated output, you might want to just get the rental STB, instead

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wagnerrp:

interlaced video means that at 60fields/sec, each field only contains the data for half a frame

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ezzieyguywuf:

ok. so I'll need two STB and two analog capture cards. hm this is getting rather tricky...

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wagnerrp:

digital broadcasts are not interlaced

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wagnerrp:

theyre just compressed mpeg streams

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, and the link to the instructions /skips/ all of the description/information about what is broken on their systems

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FisherPrice70:

yeah terminology is probably wrong

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wagnerrp:

and they may contain multiple compressed streams in one broadcast

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FisherPrice70:

that's more right probably

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wagnerrp:

often called a 'multiplex'

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: look for a dual-tuner analog card like pvr-500

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dewman:

ezzieyguywuf, if I can get a system up...anyone can.... =)

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ezzieyguywuf:

bcgrown: dual-tuner?

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners can then pull one or more channels out from those streams simultaneously

[14:47:33]

wagnerrp:

allowing you to record multiple things from one tuner

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: the pvr-500 has two tv tuners so it's basically two cards in one. allowing you to record two analog channels at atime

[14:48:07]

ezzieyguywuf:

but it can only tune to basic cable right?

[14:48:14]

ezzieyguywuf:

not to encrypted channels?

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bcgrown:

yes, analog cable only

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wagnerrp:

unless those encrypted channels are routed through your STB

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ezzieyguywuf:

thats like, channels 1–25 :-P

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FisherPrice70:

wagnerrp: I expect that the cable tv channels won't work that way

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wagnerrp:

at which point you use the STB as an external tuner, and capture off the svideo output

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: yes. precicely

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ezzieyguywuf:

er, sp

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: is there really no other way to do it?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

you can thank/firebomb cablelabs for that

[14:49:47]

FisherPrice70:

tis a shame really

[14:49:51]

ezzieyguywuf:

rats. how does TiVo do it?

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: some STB's have a firewire output but most places in the US have it disabled

[14:49:59]

wagnerrp:

tivo uses cablecards

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ezzieyguywuf:

what is a cablecard

[14:50:19]

Wicked:

so what do you guys think about http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/07/fcc-hands-hollywood.html ?

[14:50:19]

ezzieyguywuf:

and why can't I put one in my computer

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wagnerrp:

the cablecard is all the modular decryption package that the STB normally contains

[14:50:35]

wagnerrp:

you can put one in your computer

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bcgrown:

i've done a fresh install of mythbuntu... do i need to run mythtv-setup before i restore my database backup?

[14:51:06]

wagnerrp:

and again, thanks to cablelabs, you can only use one on a system that provides a complete protected video path from the RF input all the way to your display

[14:51:23]

wagnerrp:

at no point can the content be encrypted in accessible memory on your system

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FisherPrice70:

sphery: any thoughts on my question?

[14:51:31]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: but at least that way, I only have to have ONE STB to get twe streams, right?

[14:51:34]

wagnerrp:

and that just doesnt bode well with mythtv, linux, or open source in general

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wagnerrp:

s/encrypted/unencrypted/

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I couldn't analog-out then analog-in it?

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: one STB is going to have one analog output

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand how you can make that into two streams

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sphery:

FisherPrice70: I missed the question

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I thought we were talking about the cable card, in my computer

[14:52:42]

ezzieyguywuf:

I must have misunderstood something.

[14:52:46]

sphery:

I was working on a patch for MythTV on another screen

[14:52:47]

ezzieyguywuf:

I g2g now though, I'll be back later

[14:52:59]

wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: cablecard support in linux/mythtv would be fantastic

[14:53:04]

wagnerrp:

but it will never happen

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sphery:

FisherPrice70: ah, the browse mode...

[14:53:13]

FisherPrice70:

sphery: ya

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sphery:

I didn't reply to that one because I don't know MythVideo

[14:53:22]

FisherPrice70:

kk

[14:53:24]

FisherPrice70:

np

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sphery:

I'd guess, though, that your metadata changed and you no longer have categories specified.

[14:53:33]

wagnerrp:

for the simple fact that cablecard requires that your PC not actually have access to the decrypted content

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sphery:

are you running any 3rd-party scripts to insert metadata

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FisherPrice70:

weird thing is, I've got heaps...

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FisherPrice70:

nope, no 3rd party

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sphery:

i.e. other than things like Jamu and tmdb.py...

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FisherPrice70:

nope

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FisherPrice70:

I'm using the mythvideo interface

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: TiVo runs linux, but can use cablecards because they offload the entire decryption/decoding/output pipeline to a dedicated series of hardware, and the linux system never has access to the content

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wagnerrp:

they just issue commands to the decode hardware

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sphery:

FisherPrice70: then perhaps you've turned on the "don't use metadata, just look at the filesystem" mode and so you've disabled the metadata browse modes

[14:55:11]

FisherPrice70:

???

[14:55:17]

FisherPrice70:

where's that?

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wagnerrp:

'm' menu

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sphery:

somewhere in mythvideo settings

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sphery:

or there

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wagnerrp:

enable/disable browse mode

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sphery:

wagnerrp: knows mv much better than I

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wagnerrp:

you want browse mode disabled

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FisherPrice70:

I think I've found it

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wagnerrp:

browse mode means it works off a transient image of the folder tree

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FisherPrice70:

don't know when I did that

[14:56:05]

wagnerrp:

rather than that stored in the database

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FisherPrice70:

yeah confirmed, I don't know when or why I did that

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FisherPrice70:

:S

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FisherPrice70:

thanks

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FisherPrice70:

I've just upgraded to mythtv 0.23

[14:58:43]

FisherPrice70:

it's pretty nice

[14:58:51]

FisherPrice70:

I think it's better than 0.22

[14:58:58]

wagnerrp:

thats the hope

[14:59:42]

FisherPrice70:

for the first time in two years I was adventurous and had two remote front ends working... one on my kubuntu machine, and one working off of the livecd

[14:59:53]

FisherPrice70:

did that yesterday

[14:59:58]

FisherPrice70:

worked like a charm

[15:01:01]

FisherPrice70:

question, does MCE have the ability for remote front ends?

[15:01:10]

bjd:

fisher price, my first mythtv

[15:01:17]

wagnerrp:

sorta... they have media center extenders

[15:01:22]

wagnerrp:

not exactly the same thing

[15:01:22]

FisherPrice70:

ahh

[15:01:40]

FisherPrice70:

bjd: how long have you used it?

[15:04:09]

sphery:

wow, I feel like a blind pig with a truffle

[15:04:24]

FisherPrice70:

lol, "Ice Age:The Meltdown" is in the "Disaster" genre

[15:04:25]

sphery:

as little as I know about MythVideo, and I guessed the right cause

[15:04:32]

FisherPrice70:

lol

[15:04:58]

FisherPrice70:

see, you must know more about mythvideo than you think you know

[15:04:58]

wagnerrp:

FisherPrice70: sure, its an extinction level event

[15:05:05]

wagnerrp:

FisherPrice70: he doesnt use it

[15:05:07]

FisherPrice70:

lol

[15:05:07]

wagnerrp:

ever

[15:05:11]

sphery:

FisherPrice70: Global Warming

[15:05:24]

sphery:

it was a problem even back at the end of the ice age

[15:05:38]

FisherPrice70:

but it's a deamworks animation :O

[15:05:43]

sphery:

I'm sure someone could fake a hockey-stick graph to prove it

[15:05:48]

FisherPrice70:

I just find it funny

[15:08:33]

FisherPrice70:

so sphery, do you develop for the tv side?

[15:15:09]

FisherPrice70:

wagnerrp: I've noticed that when bookmarking a m4v in mythvideo it can crash... I had friends around when it happened last time...

[15:15:22]

FisherPrice70:

so I couldn't look at the logs

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sphery:

FisherPrice70: yeah, I just do tv stuff--and mainly backend stuff

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FisherPrice70:

sphery: cool, are you one of the main developers, or have you come in later?

[15:27:55]

sphery:

I'm a recent guy

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FisherPrice70:

cool

[15:28:09]

FisherPrice70:

it's always good to have new minds in a team

[15:28:25]

FisherPrice70:

fresh etc

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sphery:

I just hope I do more good than harm for Myth. :)

[15:28:41]

FisherPrice70:

lol

[15:28:44]

FisherPrice70:

yeah

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FisherPrice70:

so do we all :P

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sphery:

heh

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FisherPrice70:

I'm sure that you'll be fine

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wagnerrp:

'recent' meaning hes only been around for a couple years

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FisherPrice70:

I haven't looked at the code... I am a hobbyist programmer

[15:30:03]

FisherPrice70:

how long have you been in the team wagnerrp

[15:30:09]

wagnerrp:

recent

[15:30:15]

wagnerrp:

(couple months)

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FisherPrice70:

oh

[15:30:30]

FisherPrice70:

how long have you used it though?

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wagnerrp:

early january i think?

[15:30:43]

FisherPrice70:

really? this year?

[15:30:47]

wagnerrp:

since early 2006

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FisherPrice70:

oh, k

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FisherPrice70:

wow, that's a long time

[15:31:09]

FisherPrice70:

I only started using it about sept 2008

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wagnerrp:

no, im probably the newest user among the devs (or close to it)

[15:31:42]

wagnerrp:

maybe jya hasnt used it as long

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FisherPrice70:

my LG DVD/HDD was failing and I wanted an alternative before it gave up altogether

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FisherPrice70:

I must say it has been getting more stable

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FisherPrice70:

so, wagnerrp what part of it do you look at?

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FisherPrice70:

mostly

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wagnerrp:

python bindings

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FisherPrice70:

hrm

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FisherPrice70:

question, what's with this new "Event Handler?

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv? or in the bindings?

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FisherPrice70:

is there documentation on it up yet ... mythtv

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sphery:

So, I've only been using MythTV since Feb 2004. Based on the archives, it looks like the first patches I sent in were Jul 22, 2004 (but those were patches to the docs). The first patch for code I sent was Jul 26, 2004.

[15:35:26]

wagnerrp:

theres a page on the wiki for it

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FisherPrice70:

:O

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FisherPrice70:

sphery: recent my a@#$

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FisherPrice70:

that's a long time

[15:36:20]

FisherPrice70:

in the software world

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sphery:

well, it's only recent that I've been able to commit my own patches.

[15:36:35]

FisherPrice70:

lol

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FisherPrice70:

as in the last couple of years right

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sphery:

2H 2009 I got commit access

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sphery:

so coming up on a year now

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize it was that recent

[15:38:26]

sphery:

Seems I'm at 179 commits so far.

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FisherPrice70:

cool

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sphery:

http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors?page=3 . wagnerrp is at 67 ( http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors?page=4 ), but he got commit access a long time after me.

[15:39:10]

FisherPrice70:

is the code starting to get messy? you know how the mess can creep in?

[15:39:22]

FisherPrice70:

just a random question

[15:39:24]

sphery:

robertm got commit access at the same time as me and he's at 652 ( http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors )

[15:39:43]

sphery:

we've actually been spending more time, especially recently, going through and cleaning up the mess

[15:39:50]

sphery:

it's actually my primary focus right now

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hes also been going through and cleaning up a TON of 3rd party stuff on trac

[15:40:06]

wagnerrp:

most of the translation stuff is him

[15:40:12]

wagnerrp:

most of RDV's stuff is him

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wagnerrp:

a lot of my earlier python stuff was him

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sphery:

yeah, that helps his commit count

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FisherPrice70:

sphery: I suspect that cleaning that mess up can be taxing on the grey matter... for me it would be like wtf is that there for

[15:42:59]

sphery:

oh, wait, I was quoting ohloh ( http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv ) numbers. They disagree with svnsearch ( http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/MYTHTV/search ), which gives 734 for robertm, 221 for mdean, and 73 for wagnerrp.

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FisherPrice70:

:O

[15:43:55]

sphery:

seems ohloh is only updated to r24485, but the current one (and the one svnsearch is using) is r24487

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FisherPrice70:

so.. if im right.. the event handler is something the user can use to run scripts or whatever depending on the event

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sphery:

I don't know how we got hundreds of extra commits in those 2 revisions...

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sphery:

FisherPrice70: right

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts

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sphery:

more scripts welcomed

[15:44:36]

FisherPrice70:

do you know if it's used?

[15:44:49]

FisherPrice70:

and what would you use it for?

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sphery:

to run mythlink.pl immediately when a new recording starts

[15:46:13]

sphery:

to run a script when playback starts to dim the lights in the viewing room and adjust the A/V receiver and...

[15:46:44]

sphery:

to run a script to delete transcoded copies of recordings when you delete the actual recording from MythTV

[15:46:49]

sphery:

pretty much whatever you like

[15:47:11]

bcgrown:

there was a problem with 0.22 that stopped something from happening (dvd or iso playback maybe) if storage groups were enabled... anybody know what the specifics were?

[15:47:12]

sphery:

new events can be added pretty easily, too

[15:47:47]

sphery:

bcgrown: no version of MythTV supports ISO playback over storage groups (or use of a DVD drive as a storage group dir)

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bcgrown:

hm

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bcgrown:

spery: how should i set up my storage dirs if i want to be able to play DVDs and ISOs?

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wagnerrp:

FisherPrice70, sphery: not that im trying to downplay his contributions in any manner

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FisherPrice70:

sphery: hrm, I can dig the lights turned down automatically, good idea for my entertainment room when I get it running..... and transcoded copies don't get deleted automatically :O

[15:50:26]

wagnerrp:

were on the better side of two new themes, a new plugin, two completely overhauled existing plugins, and a whole slew of UI patches

[15:51:02]

FisherPrice70:

wagnerrp: for 0.24?

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wagnerrp:

mostly in 0.22 and 0.23

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FisherPrice70:

sweet

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FisherPrice70:

so... what's the new plugin?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you know what the plan is for the release?

[15:51:46]

** sphery proves he's not human, yet again.... Darn CAPTCHAs **

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wagnerrp:

last week, i heard in a week after the new rc if there were no new issues

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FisherPrice70:

lol

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm sure it will be as soon as someone ( iamlindoro :) pushes for release.

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FisherPrice70:

it must be pretty rewarding to read how pple compare mythtv with MCE and come out with choosing mythtv over it

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bcgrown:

I've re-downloaded from schedules direct, updated the channel lists, but there's still 1 channel that doesnt show up in my guide no matter what. It definitely IS in schedules direct. Can I add it manually?

[16:00:23]

bcgrown:

nm found how

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FisherPrice70:

nice chatting with you...

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bcgrown:

downloading updates at 1,875KB/s, got to like that

[16:15:52]

bcgrown:

anyone using miro-bridge?

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RDV_Linux:

bcgrown: What do you want to know about it?

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bcgrown:

RDV_Linux: If Miro fills up my HD, will mythbackend delete the files to make room for TV recordings? (this is what I want)

[16:18:25]

bcgrown:

also, wtf is half of miro's UI in german?

[16:18:51]

RDV_Linux:

bcgrown: Miro is completely independent of MythTV. Miro does remove played videos per its own settings. MiroBridge simply connects Miro videos through symlinks.

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bcgrown:

hrm. I wish Miro had a setting for "use this much disk space" instead of "keep this much space free"

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RDV_Linux:

bcgrown: As far as why it is in german is something I also asked.

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axisys:

anyone here knows where I can find a list of usb capture cards that works with linux ?

[16:31:14]

axisys:

so I can just find a device in newegg and purchase

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bcgrown:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[16:32:06]

bcgrown:

and here: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page

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axisys:

bcgrown: thanks .. let me check it out

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bcgrown:

anyone feel like reading a TOS? seems like the NFB would be ok with a mythnetvision grabber: http://www.nfb.ca/about/important-notices/#sharing

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axisys:

i need to convert vhs to digital.. so I need a V4l or DVB ?

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bcgrown:

axisys: i have the pvr-usb2 and it works well but they don't make it anymore

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axisys:

bcgrown: that wont help :-)

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bcgrown:

axisys: you need an analog capture card that can handle whatever the output of your VCR is (s-video?)

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axisys:

bcgrown: rca

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axisys:

bcgrown: dont know if that it the right term .. or does it called component ?

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bcgrown:

composite

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axisys:

yellow/red/white

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axisys:

bcgrown: h,, microcenter guys were calling it rca

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bcgrown:

yep, composite. yellow=video, red/white = audio

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axisys:

hmm..

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axisys:

bcgrown: thanks .. those kids in microcenter !!

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axisys:

bcgrown: what is rca ?

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bcgrown:

well they were half right

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bcgrown:

RCA is the connector type

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axisys:

bcgrown: oh ok..

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bcgrown:

but component video also uses RCA connectors, and is very different

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axisys:

ok.. so there is composite/component/rca ..

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denjeveln_:

hello all

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denjeveln_:

im soreof a noob =), im upto configuring mythplugins, but i get some error, ok if oast it here?

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axisys:

bcgrown: ok before getting too distracted .. the vcr has composites .. yellow/red/white

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bcgrown:

the older hauppauge pvr cards had composite in

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bcgrown:

not sure of the new ones

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axisys:

bcgrown: so any of devices will work ? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_via_USB ?

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denjeveln_:

Disabling MythZoneMinder. Requires mysql/mysql.h header if i understand that correct, i need some mysql thing?

[16:38:14]

bcgrown:

axisys: most likely. do you need a usb device?

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axisys:

bcgrown: well i will plug it to my laptop .. so either usb or express

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axisys:

express might be too expensive

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bcgrown:

a used pvr-usb2 will probably be cheap: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2

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bcgrown:

if you're going to be carting it around you'll want something smaller though

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axisys:

bcgrown: yeah .. something smaller will do.. easycap almost worked.. but only video.. no audio.. author sais he will fix the audio in the forum.. but no timeline

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: couldn't I duplicate the tivo setup for my linux system?

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bcgrown:

axisys: if your laptop has a mic or line in you can do audio capture, but the quality won't be great, and you'll have to manually put them together

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bcgrown:

not that VHS is a bastion of quality in the first place :)

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axisys:

bcgrown: i think micro center has pinnacle dazzel .. looks like that may work.. however devil is in the details

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axisys:

bcgrown: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . tor_(DVC170) <-- this is the one I am talking about

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drindt:

when iam in the epg menu, i can't go up or down to switch to a different channel, can someone please tell me what is the key for it? and where i can change it? global, tv or something? thanks

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[R]:

is there a script to move recordings?

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FredYerkes:

Other than considering line-ups and prices, is there any reason to choose one satellite provider over another with respect to MythTV? Dish or DirectTV?

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[R]:

FredYerkes: how are you going to record?

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bcgrown:

axisys: blank page?

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FredYerkes:

[R]: I was going to invest in an HDPVR

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axisys:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . tor_(DVC170)

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axisys:

bcgrown: ^

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[R]:

FredYerkes: i've seen lots of people saying they get audio sync problems with hdpvr and dish

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FredYerkes:

unless one provided had a nice firewire out, which I doubt

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axisys:

bcgrown: from here http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle

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bcgrown:

FredYerkes: most people in the US seem to be reporting that their firewire outputs are crippled

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bcgrown:

axisys: if the drivers aren't complete then there isn't much you can do

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axisys:

bcgrown: it is pretty hard to find a capture card that will work with linux .. so far :-)

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axisys:

usb capture card that is

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bcgrown:

axisys: as i said, the older hauppauge ones work very well

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FredYerkes:

oh well, maybe I'll stick with ATSC then, I just hate giving my money to u-Verse

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axisys:

bcgrown: but there should be one available to purchase tho.. heh

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bcgrown:

axisys: ebay/craigslist :)

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axisys:

bcgrown: what do I look for in ebay .. will it say it supports linux ?

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axisys:

if i just look for happauge usb capture device that won't tell me if it supports linux

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axisys:

so would be nice if i see a page that will show the device that supports in linux and give you an option to purchase it

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[R]:

the linuxtv website will tell you what devices are supported

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bcgrown:

axisys: those sites i gave you will tell you. but i'm also telling you now, that the hauppauge USB one supports linux. i know this, because i use it

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axisys:

[R]: i had been exploring .. no luck so far

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axisys:

bcgrown: can I buy yours ;-) ?

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axisys:

bcgrown: lol

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bcgrown:

nope

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axisys:

bcgrown: hehe .. i didn't think so

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axisys:

finding one that works is easy.. finding one that I can buy now and works is hard

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bcgrown:

there are plenty around

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axisys:

bcgrown: i have no doubt.. but i have no success yet.. sorry for not presenting an issue that is technical

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bcgrown:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-USB2-V . . . em414f1c9854

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axisys:

bcgrown: hehe.. you have been very helpful .. i tried bidding one last week.. it is very difficult to win.. not have the ebay tricks in my pocket yet.. would be nice if i could just buy one now

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axisys:

seems getting one in your hand is not as easy as finding one in internet to look at .. hehe

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axisys:

bcgrown: this one will work ?

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axisys:

bcgrown: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ht_500wt_956

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axisys:

bcgrown: i dont see any composite input (i hope i am saying it right)

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axisys:

in other words no cable for yellow/red/white

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axisys:

bcgrown: i guess this is not a capture card

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axisys:

or capture device rather

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bcgrown:

axisys: yes, it is

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axisys:

bcgrown: i dont see any yello/red/[white/ inputs

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bcgrown:

it has them

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bcgrown:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/news/hauppa . . . vr_usb_c.jpg

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axisys:

bcgrown: sweet.. how do I confirm that it will work with linux.. i ask that .. cuz I found out wintv-hvr 850 works with linux unless it is model 1200 w/ s/n B175 or something

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axisys:

may be a different s/n of same device may not work ?

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axisys:

or model number..

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bcgrown:

axisys: i've told you about 5 times now that it works

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axisys:

bcgrown: loud and clear.. thanks..

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[R]:

is it just me... or does mytthv only store which storage group a recording is in... and not the location of the file?

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drindt:

when iam in the epg menu, i can't go up or down to switch to a different channel, can someone please tell me what is the key for it? and where i can change it? global, tv or something? thanks

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sphery:

what exactly happens? you can go left/right, but not up/down?

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sphery:

by default, it's the Up/Down arrow keys (mapped to Global context UP/DOWN key bindings--see Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys)

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drindt:

sphery: in global it is defined as you told me, but i go in the osd choose then EPG and in this epg view its only possible to go left and right but not go up with the channel, pgup and pgdown is working as expected...

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sphery:

Do you have an override of UP/DOWN in another context (like TV Playback)?

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drindt:

sphery: not that i know

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sphery:

drindt: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM keybindings WHERE action IN ('UP', 'DOWN');"

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drindt:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/Vtr175Bb

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drindt:

looks ok

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sphery:

yeah, that's good

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sphery:

so, I don't know why it wouldn't work

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sphery:

it definitely works for me

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sphery:

I was doing it for about 45 minutes last night looking for a listing that would allow me to duplicate a reported bug

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sphery:

(but that was trunk, not 0.23-fixes)

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sphery:

though there's nothing really different in 0.23-fixes that should cause issues

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samsung:

hello world

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samsung:

so im havin a hell of a time trying to stream my stb over 1394

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samsung:

all videos sources are in use

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samsung:

i dont even want to record yet

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samsung:

just play

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[R]:

samsung: are you sure the firewire on it works?

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[R]:

are you sure you are trying to play a channel that isn't encrypted?

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samsung:

i get a guid and a raw 1394 in dmesg

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J-e-f-f-A:

...and that it's enabled and not encrypted...

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drindt:

sphery: ok thanks

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[R]:

samsung: that just means its connected

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samsung:

how to test? mythprime isnt a command

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Firewire_Priming_Scripts ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

samsung: and http://www.mythtv.com/wiki/FireWire

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samsung:

brb thnx

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drindt:

is it not possible to burn dvds with recorded stuff on the remote machine controled by a client?

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sphery:

mytharchive only works with "local" files (though some have gotten it to work with NFS mounts)

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drindt:

ok

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drindt:

:(

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drindt:

sphery: is it possible to reset the key bindings? i think here is something wrong, when iam in the mediathek and go to a movie and press the i button for info i cant go back from the info screen with esc or exit on my remote.

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samsung:

ok im back 1394 stb question

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samsung:

i comp[iled and ran firewire tester

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samsung:

i get a no plugs exist on either node error

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samsung:

p2p and broadcast both fail 5/5 tries

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sphery:

drindt: complete reset for a host is: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DELETE FROM keybindings WHERE hostname = 'myhostname');"

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drindt:

sphery: ah ok, i thought the tables are seeded with some default values... thanks

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sphery:

drindt: (make sure you change "myhostname" as appropriate), then restart mythfrontend on that host. You can reset for all hosts by removing the WHERE clause completely.

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drindt:

ye i know mysql :) thanks

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sphery:

they get replaced on mythfrontend restart

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sphery:

normally direct DB editing is bad, but in this case, this will work

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sphery:

I plan to add a "Reset key bindings for <hostname>" button to MythControls.

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samsung:

bump

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drindt:

sphery: i can understand you, i will try this, hope it will help a bit to get my myth more under control

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sphery:

drindt: use xscreensaver

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sphery:

drindt: if you're using gnome-screensaver, there's a bug in gnome-screensaver or *buntu's configuration or something that makes it not work

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drindt:

sphery: and using a script to trigger on/off the screensaver during the run of mfrontend?

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drindt:

sphery: found -> gnome-screensaver-command --deactivate

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drindt:

btw a screensaver is whole crap :) lock station if you left dpms only is enough :D

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seanthegeek:

How do I prevent myth from filling up my drive when I accidentally leave live tv on all night

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ver:

add hard drives! :D

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jarle:

seanthegeek: by default live TV will be deleted automatically after 1 day.

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seanthegeek:

thanks

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drindt:

why is live tv recorded and keep for one day?

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drindt:

when i switched the channel then the recording is not accessible... so why keep then?

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jarle:

drindt: with mythtv there is no such thing as live TV, it is all just recordings, live tv just means that you will watch the show as it records..

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drindt:

seanthegeek: come in and find out? :D

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drindt:

jarle: ok

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drindt:

that will be clearify why the disk is nearly full :)

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jarle:

drindt: stop using live tv, and just record what you would like to see..

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jarle:

drindt: I never watch live tv, I just use the "watch live tv" function when I have to test if a specific channel works as it should..

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Beirdo:

stupid Phillies

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samsung:

hey all where can i get test_mpeg

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samsung:

test_mpeg2

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seanthegeek:

Anyone here have Wide Open West (WOW!) cable?

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drindt:

hm, can i modify the sleep function? i want when the sleep timer is zero that the machine do a poweroff, is that possible?

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sphery:

seanthegeek: also, Live TV is deleted immediately if the recording is less than 2 minutes or if space is needed--i.e. you've filled up your hard drive

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sphery:

so you don't have to worry about it fililng

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sphery:

only time you need to worry is if you fill it with recordings whose rules are marked to disallow autoexpire (you should /always/ have some recordings marked to allow auto-expire)

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[R]:

# Total Space: 2,488,713 MB

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[R]:

i don't think i've ever seen that much space outside of education/corporate world

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wagnerrp:

[R]: correct, mythtv stores the storage group and hostname a recording exists on

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wagnerrp:

but does not store the specific folder/disk where the recording is

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wagnerrp:

[R]: '2,488,713MB' is only 2.5TB

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ezzieyguywuf:

so, what are my options as far as frontends for myth, and what are the recommended ones?

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the ONLY way something like cablecard could be implemented in a general linux system

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cesman:

ezzieyguywuf: mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

is if someone like nvidia put out a version of their proprietary drivers with some sorted of encrypted port

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: wow, picking up where we left off?

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wagnerrp:

you asked while i was away, im responding

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I appreciate that.

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wagnerrp:

something that would allow the tuner card to pass the content directly into the video card

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wagnerrp:

and the video card taking care of decryption in the shader hardware, and the decoding in the VPU

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ezzieyguywuf:

and I guess the tiVo guys HAVE this, via some sort of contract?

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wagnerrp:

and on top of that, they would have to put in provisions such to make that memory protected, such that you could not access it through the normal APIs

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wagnerrp:

the tivo HD systems have implemented something very similar to that

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wagnerrp:

then they paid boatloads of money to cablelabs to get the system certified

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Dibblah:

The HDPVR guys have hinted that CC is not impossible.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: we cant recommend frontend hardware unless we know what your intended purpose is

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Dibblah:

HDHR, sorry

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: not exactly

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wagnerrp:

what we might get out of that is access to the 'copy freely' content

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ezzieyguywuf:

my intended purpose it to watch tv, record shows, and record series on a schedule.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: but what type of tv

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wagnerrp:

analog? sd? hd? atsc? hdpvr? bluray?

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wagnerrp:

is this a frontend only? does it need hard drives? tuners?

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ezzieyguywuf:

46'' sony lcd tv

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ezzieyguywuf:

hd

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ezzieyguywuf:

I dunno what hdpvr is, and I'll use my ps3 for bluray

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wagnerrp:

output doesnt really matter, its more what type of content it needs to decode

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ezzieyguywuf:

so yes, it must decode hd content.

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ezzieyguywuf:

I dunon what you mean by "is this a frontend only". A backend is needed, no?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv operates on a client/server architecture

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wagnerrp:

the frontend handles playback

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wagnerrp:

the backend handles recording

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wagnerrp:

and they connect through the network

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: ah I gotcha. unless, of course, they are both on the same box.

[20:53:33]

wagnerrp:

you can have them on the same machine, you can have them on separate machines

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ezzieyguywuf:

how does that work, streaming hd data over a network. I would imagine it wouldn't work too hot.

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wagnerrp:

you said you wanted a frontend, usually that means you want a dedicated frontend, that would connect to a remote backend

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Guest79819:

my dvico remote isnt working after a suspend

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: is it USB?

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Guest79819:

yes

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I jsut want to know what my options are other than mythfrontend, and what the advantages-disadvantges are. it'll be on the same box as the backend.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the most you will ever see compressed content is around 5MB/s

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wagnerrp:

even 100mbit ethernet can handle that easily

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: you may have to issue a device reset

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ezzieyguywuf:

is there quality degradation due to this compression?

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Guest79819:

yes thats what i want to do

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Guest79819:

a reset resume

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: you cannot GET content at higher than around 5MB/s

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Guest79819:

but... I have no idea how

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wagnerrp:

thats the highest bitrate you will find on a bluray disk

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Guest79819:

the device is still present after a suspend in lsusb

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Guest79819:

but irw does not respond

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: i used to have this small bit of C which would reset whatever device you give it on the command line

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: ah I see. what if I wanted to stream over the internet, say I wasn't at my local network. then it may pose a problem no?

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Guest79819:

oh how I would love that

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wagnerrp:

i used to use it for resetting my MCEUSB after coming out of stanby

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wagnerrp:

but i cant seem to find it right now

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wagnerrp:

last time i looked, it only took a couple minutes of googling

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, that would be so good

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Guest79819:

I have seen the mce reset resume script

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: mythtv will stream to anything with proper access (backend and database) and bandwidth

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ezzieyguywuf:

I see.

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wagnerrp:

most people dont have the internet bandwidth to do so

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wagnerrp:

nor do they want to make their backend and database available over the internet

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ezzieyguywuf:

I'll get this thing up and running then come bug you guys some more.

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/NTXTqEyp

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ezzieyguywuf:

I'll probably be going the two STB two analog capture card route, just fyi.

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wagnerrp:

so back to your requirements... what do you want to playback?

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tank-man:

lol, i remember you could put in some text (that was also in mythweb) and you could find backends thru google

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ezzieyguywuf:

though, the point was for this to be cheaper than getting a hddvr box from my cable provider, and this may end up being more expensive, as I'll be paying for two boxes instead of one...

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, I have 80gb dl a month

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: I want to play back recorded tv shows. some of which will be in hd.

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: contrary to what some people say, MythTV is not a 'bargain' DVR

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: recorded from where?

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: yea. recorded via analog capture

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wagnerrp:

recorded by analog capture, in hd.... so you need an hdpvr

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: what is an hdpvr

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Guest79819:

wag just a quick one with regard to hd playback is a gb switch required to stream from be to fe

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wagnerrp:

which means youre either using VDPAU, or you need somewhere around a 2.5GHz Core2, or 3GHz Athlon64 for software decoding

[21:01:46]

wagnerrp:

Guest79819: as mentioned, the most you will EVER see for the highest bitrate content available (bluray) is around 5MB/s

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wagnerrp:

and 100mbit network will handle that perfectly fine

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ezzieyguywuf:

according to /proc/cpuinfo I have 3.06Ghz Pentium 4. will that not work?

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wagnerrp:

digital broadcasts are closer to 2MB/s

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: not even close

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ezzieyguywuf:

:-/ well damn.

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ezzieyguywuf:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

because netburst was a terrible architecture

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ezzieyguywuf:

what is netburst?

[21:03:22]

wagnerrp:

P4

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ezzieyguywuf:

I see.

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ezzieyguywuf:

so. I'm screwed then. I got my fiancee in on the "lets do mythtv" bandwagon, but now I'll have to tell her our computer is not powerful enough.

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wagnerrp:

a P4 will be plenty powerful for the 4–6mbps SD mpeg2 an IVTV card will put out

[21:05:11]

wagnerrp:

its probably capable of the full 19mbps HD mpeg2 an ATSC tuner will put out

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ezzieyguywuf:

yea. but I want/like hd content

[21:05:33]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: so what are you telling me it can't do

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, this is what i thought i read I just wanted to confirm

[21:05:50]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thanks for that

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: read through that, it will explain all the problems with recording from comcast (or any other US cable provider)

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ezzieyguywuf:

ok.

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, //www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/2010-02/msg00689.html">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv . . . sg00689.html

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the tuner card and firewire will be putting out mpeg2 at a maximum bitrate of ~19mbps

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, has a reset resume for mce remote

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wagnerrp:

the hdpvr will put out h264 at a maximum of 13.5mbps

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wagnerrp:

the h264 content is vastly more intensive to decode than the mpeg2 content

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ezzieyguywuf:

wtf is a hdpvr man, I dunno what that is.

[21:10:02]

wagnerrp:

read the page

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Guest79819:

ezzieyguywuf, If you dont know what a high def personal video recorder why are you here

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: i was thinking of something more generic

[21:12:12]

wagnerrp:

Guest79819: the 'HDPVR' is a specific product, an HD component capture box, connected over USB

[21:12:45]

Guest79819:

wagnerrp, yes I know id have to modiythat code with things i dont know how to do...

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ezzieyguywuf:

hrm. I'm so confused guys.

[21:14:04]

ezzieyguywuf:

I thought that mythv was going to do all my recording

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, ok so they have taken a mnemonic name and called there product that.

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ezzieyguywuf:

btw, /me is still reading the page

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: the page will explain all

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Guest79819:

ezzieyguywuf, arent you lucky

[21:15:22]

ezzieyguywuf:

why am I lucky?

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Guest79819:

let me guess the product hdpvr is capable of high def pvr functions

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wagnerrp:

yes, it is capable of recording HD analog content to the connected PC

[21:16:07]

wagnerrp:

its an analog capture device

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Guest79819:

ezzieyguywuf, cause your still reading page

[21:16:16]

ezzieyguywuf:

lol

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Guest79819:

wag ides on search terms for googling this code to reset resume

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, ideas on search terms for googling this code to reset resume

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Guest79819:

Ill do the searching

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wagnerrp:

this looks right... http://mark.info/?l=linux-usb&m=121459435621262&w=2

[21:18:10]

wagnerrp:

i would just put that at the end of my standby script

[21:18:18]

wagnerrp:

so when it came out of standby, that was the next function called

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, Server not found

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, cant seem to load page

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wagnerrp:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=121459435621262&w=2

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iamlindoro:

"If any theme were created like "your friends" work it would be completely non-functional and therefore of little value to anyone."

[21:22:52]

iamlindoro:

Way to miss the point, moron

[21:23:03]

iamlindoro:

what a d bag

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thanks got it!

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, do i put this before or after the esac in my /etc/pm/sleep.d/99lirc-resume.sh

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wagnerrp:

Guest79819: i have no idea what that script might be

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wagnerrp:

you have not specified what distro it came from

[21:29:02]

wagnerrp:

and regardless, i dont use that distro

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wagnerrp:

however 'esac' indicated the end of a case statement

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wagnerrp:

s/case/switch/

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, it a smal script to get remote to wake after standby

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Guest79819:

wag ill link you now

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wagnerrp:

thats ok...

[21:30:27]

wagnerrp:

youre better asking that question in your specific distro channel

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/Aa11mUJS

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thats the script many people use with mce remotes etc but usualy add modules to load and unload as well

[21:35:25]

wagnerrp:

thats the script many people use on your distro

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wagnerrp:

has nothing to do with anything i use

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wagnerrp:

i cannot advise further

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thnaks so much for your help!

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Guest79819:

Ill try after the esac

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bcgrown:

Schedules Direct has the listings for 2 of my channels mixed up. Can I just switch their XMLTVIDs to correct the problem for now?

[21:36:55]

sphery:

bcgrown: yes, change the xmltvids until SD fixes the listing, then change them back

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sphery:

bcgrown: you may need to do a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

[21:37:13]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: so you're saying my computer can't decode the h.264 content?

[21:37:17]

wagnerrp:

if you havent done so, you may want to file a ticket against SD to inform them of the change

[21:37:34]

wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: no, your computer is perfectly capable of decoding h264 content

[21:37:46]

wagnerrp:

im saying your computer cannot decode h264 at the bitrate the HDPVR outputs

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: yep already let them know

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: and that mean swhat exactly.

[21:38:23]

wagnerrp:

that your computer cannot play hdpvr content

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wagnerrp:

its about half as fast as it needs to be to play full bitrate content off an hdpvr

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ezzieyguywuf:

so it can decode it, but can't play it?

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wagnerrp:

you can decode h264 just fine

[21:39:57]

wagnerrp:

but you can only decode at somewhere around 5–6mbps in realtime

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ezzieyguywuf:

I see.

[21:40:09]

ezzieyguywuf:

it would look ishty on the screen

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wagnerrp:

dont correct yourself

[21:40:37]

wagnerrp:

vulger language is not allowed in here

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ezzieyguywuf:

sorry.

[21:41:27]

wagnerrp:

well you didnt actually say it, so i was just informing

[21:41:29]

ezzieyguywuf:

so, hdmyth is out of the question for my setup then?

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wagnerrp:

no, your system will play HD mpeg2 just fine

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: hm. I'm guessing transcoding the h.264 to mpeg2 would be just as computationally intensive as streaming it? maybe even more so?

[21:43:08]

wagnerrp:

considerably more so, and mythtv does not have the ability to do that anyway

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: so I wouldn't be able to record hd content via an hdpvr then. I could only watch mpeg 2 hd content that I got from elsewhere?

[21:44:05]

ezzieyguywuf:

or that I recorded and then compressed (I'm guessing it's compression) to mpeg 2?

[21:44:12]

wagnerrp:

you could watch hd mpeg2 that you got over firewire, or from a digital tuner

[21:44:33]

wagnerrp:

that page should have detailed what you could expect to receive over that

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ver:

caveat; vdpau improves decoding performance, is this enough wag?

[21:45:13]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: yea, but the digital tuner would only grab unecrypted signals, and from what I read firewire support is still not at 100% based on what STB I have. given my luck, I probably don't get good support :-P

[21:45:29]

wagnerrp:

ver: except hes on an ancient p4, probably socket478 one that would have to use a PCI card

[21:45:33]

ver:

what is your STB model?

[21:45:42]

ver:

oh, well... there's your problem

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ezzieyguywuf:

hm. I've had many misconceptions about what myth can do for me. I thought it would be a viable replacemnte for the hd-dvr I rent for $10/month from my cable company. wagnerrp: its a "Scientific Atlanta Exlporer 8240HDC"

[21:46:42]

ver:

bah, nasrac

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ezzieyguywuf:

ah, ver^^ there is my STB model

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ezzieyguywuf:

er, ver ^^

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: it IS a viable replacement, but make no assumptions that it will be a CHEAP viable replacement

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ver:

well, if you use a phenom 9230 or somesuch with 3gb of ram, you can decode several HD streams simultaneously. raid5 8 1TB sata disks together for storage, and you'll blow any DVR out of the water.

[21:47:55]

ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: at the very least, I was hoping that the initial cost would pay for itself over its lifetime, given the $10/month savings. I was obviously wrong.

[21:48:14]

ver:

well if you want high def you pay for it

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ver:

otherwise you'd have a DCT700 STB

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ver:

which, if you DID, a p4 would be very capable of handling without issue

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wagnerrp:

ezzieyguywuf: mythtv offers many advantages over retail DVR systems, price is not one of them

[21:49:05]

ezzieyguywuf:

dunno what a DTC700 is. I'm wondering if I should be so picky about this whole hd thing. I was super stoked about replacing my cable-companie's dvr box with myth

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: it's low-end STB

[21:49:25]

ezzieyguywuf:

but sd on my 46'' just doesn't look good to me, at least not coming out of my cable companie's box.

[21:49:38]

ver:

actually i'm playing with some DCT2244s and a DCT6200 and i'm curious if anybody has managed to coerce the mpeg-asi as a mythtv input?

[21:49:59]

ver:

ezzieyguywuf, the brutal truth is that DVR has better specs than your old P4 :/

[21:50:16]

ezzieyguywuf:

:-P I see.

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ezzieyguywuf:

wait, what was the other option wagnerrp? 2 Ghz dual core?

[21:51:08]

ezzieyguywuf:

I got that on my laptop :-P

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ver:

you could optionally invest in a PCI MPEG4 decoder card, if they still make those somewhere, which would effectively banish all CPU overhead invested in decoding it.

[21:51:24]

wagnerrp:

other option?

[21:51:44]

wagnerrp:

you dont want a 'decoder card'

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ezzieyguywuf:

wagnerrp: you said a while back that I'd need a "dual core" some Ghz or a "64 bit" some other Ghz

[21:51:57]

wagnerrp:

if you want to go the hardware decoder path, you want an nvidia video card

[21:52:08]

ezzieyguywuf:

no, I'm fine with a decoder card.

[21:52:28]

ezzieyguywuf:

I think its got a nvidia video card

[21:52:32]

ezzieyguywuf:

yea, pretty sure it does

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wagnerrp:

to play back HDPVR output in software, you either need a 2.5GHz Core2, or a 3GHz Athlon64

[21:52:35]

ezzieyguywuf:

GeForce something or other

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wagnerrp:

multi-core makes no difference

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bcgrown:

ver: I have a DCT6200 and FireWire output works nearly perfectly for me

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ver:

do the RIVA/TNT lines support vdpau?

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ezzieyguywuf:

oh, I took "Core2" as dual core. my bad.

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ver:

bcgrown, very nice. have you played with the ethernet interface on these?

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wagnerrp:

to play back HDPVR output in hardware, you need a Geforce 8000-series or better

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wagnerrp:

you /can/ get them in PCI form

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bcgrown:

ver: no. As far as I know it's not enabled

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ezzieyguywuf:

hm. lemme check what I have.

[21:53:28]

wagnerrp:

but youre much better off getting one PCIe or onboard

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ver:

bcgrown, rats, my 6200s don't have firewire on em ;/

[21:53:53]

wagnerrp:

if you need to buy a PCI video card to get VDPAU, its just time to upgrade your computer

[21:53:54]

ezzieyguywuf:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3)

[21:54:01]

bcgrown:

the dct6200 would be a great machine if the cable companies used all its capabilities

[21:54:03]

ezzieyguywuf:

I'm guessing that too is too old?

[21:54:07]

bcgrown:

it can be a pvr, cable modem, etc

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bcgrown:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Supported_Cards

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ver:

cable companies don't disable those interfaces

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ver:

motorola does

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bcgrown:

it's a little bit of both i imagine

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ver:

nah i'm a cable guy

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bcgrown:

ah

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ver:

the boxes are totally programmed from ROVI/Motorola

[21:55:53]

bcgrown:

ver: then why are you asking me aout its outputs? :)

[21:56:10]

ver:

because i have a bunch that i wanna setup on my mythbox of course

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bcgrown:

"a bunch" nice!

[21:56:32]

ver:

well, probably only 3

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ver:

the other ones i have are old 2244s but they only have composite or modulated outputs

[21:57:03]

ver:

(which are surprisingly good quality, but i'd prefer to retain digital quality)

[21:57:16]

bcgrown:

are the ethernet ports ever used for anything?

[21:57:19]

ver:

but my 6200s are just as lame, they have the red/green/blue plugs

[21:57:48]

ver:

i dunno, but the moto om2000s use them for configuration and can pass the data to multiplexers and things

[21:57:58]

ver:

so i'm curious if there's a way to get the mpeg-ts data out of it

[21:58:19]

ver:

my initial assumption is 'no' due to the drm nature of mediacipher though

[21:58:36]

ver:

but if it works on firewire, then maaaybe...

[21:59:11]

ver:

oh jeez this is a 5100, nevermind. what a piece of trash, how'd this get into my house.

[21:59:28]

** ver burns it, then smashes it with hammers, then puts it in a woodchipper. **

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bcgrown:

anyone know if i can disable the menus fading in/out when i use opengl for the GUI?

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pyther:

Hi

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pyther:

RingBuf(myth://10.20.1.12:6543/1551_20100508205900.mpg): Waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available...

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pyther:

does that mean my recording is corrupt?

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sphery:

no, it means your recording is unavailable

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pyther:

when trying to seek it says there are 255 hours

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sphery:

check backend log files--likely a recording issue

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sphery:

ah, that may be some corruption in it, then

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sphery:

might want to repair seektable

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

[22:14:47]

pyther:

sadly it was working just fine and then cut out, I was recording while watching :-/

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sphery:

make sure you do preparation, too

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sphery:

might also just need to exit/restart

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pyther:

the frontend?

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sphery:

no playback

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pyther:

ahh ok

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sphery:

just exit playback and start again

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pyther:

that didn't work

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pyther:

even cloesd out of the frontend

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sphery:

don't know then

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pyther:

can I run mythcommflag and optimize_mythdb while I have a recording in progress?

[22:16:39]

sphery:

don't do it on the actual recording that's in progress

[22:16:46]

sphery:

but if you do it on another recording, it's probably fine

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ezzieyguywuf:

is there an alternative to renting a box from my cable-provider? Can I buy one from somewhere else, or is there no guarantee that it would decrpyt the particular encrypted signal that I am getting from my provider?

[22:17:41]

pyther:

ok, it is just really bizare that it was working and the crapped out

[22:20:15]

pyther:

probably not good if I get the waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available while runnig mythcommflag :-/

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: it has to be programmed by your cable provider. they may or may not do it for you if you buy a box elsewhere. they also claim that other companies' boxes won't work, but i don't entirely trust them

[22:21:18]

ezzieyguywuf:

bcgrown: ah I see. but assuming I buy the same brand box they gave me, I can take it to my cable provider and have them program it for me?

[22:21:25]

ezzieyguywuf:

well, and same model

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: you

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: you'd have to ask them that question

[22:22:17]

ezzieyguywuf:

I'm feeling a lot like the first paragraph in http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9793

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bcgrown:

When I go to exit mythtv-setup it tells me "Unable to create file blahlah blah – directory is not writable?" for a couple of my dirs. but these dirs ARE writable, and all owned by user "mythtv," so what's its problem?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, any idea how mythbuntu people got MythVideo schema 1033 in their ".23" package? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288302.html

[22:23:55]

wagnerrp:

no idea

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: i don't know how that person managed to take 9 months to set up a mythtv box that didn't work

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh, well that's likely to cause all sorts of fun..

[22:25:22]

ezzieyguywuf:

bcgrown: well, I'm only a week in so :-P. and he goes on to say that he had no problem getting myth going for an SD setup, but its hd that gave him all the trouble.

[22:25:58]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: i've had no problem with HD, really. however if you don't have a firewire output and don't get unencrypted channels, the hdpvr is really your only option

[22:26:05]

bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: (for HD)

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ezzieyguywuf:

yea. well plus apparently my processor isn't powerful enough to stream hd content :-/

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bcgrown:

ezzieyguywuf: that's an easy fix

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ezzieyguywuf:

bcgrown: lol, get a new computer. easy when you're not on a budget.

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ezzieyguywuf:

oh yea, or get a hardware decoder

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bcgrown:

or settle for SD

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ezzieyguywuf:

yea, but sd looks so bad on my tv

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bcgrown:

sell hdtv, get free sdtv on craigslist

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bcgrown:

problem solved :)

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ezzieyguywuf:

Now, what if sd looks so bad on my tv because of how my box streams it. maybe myth can make it look better. sounds like a long shot.

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ezzieyguywuf:

oh posh, I'm not gonna do that.

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bcgrown:

myth won't make sd look any better

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bcgrown:

worse if anything

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pyther:

sphery: thanks, the mythtranscode command on that wiki page fixed the problem

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sphery:

pyther: great.

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wagnerrp:

v-sync is handled automatically when using Xv isnt it?

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ezzieyguywuf:

so, wicd-curses says F10 will save my changes, but alls it does it pull up the File menu in my terminal emulator!

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ezzieyguywuf:

help!

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ezzieyguywuf:

er, sorry wrong channel

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sphery:

wagnerrp: generally the drivers will handle it

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sphery:

with Xv

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sphery:

AFAIU

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you have the 'flush mythvideo' thread handy?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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sphery:

that's what my Namoroka history is for

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wagnerrp:

namoroka?

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sphery:

Firefox 3.6.x when you don't accept the "All-your-Firefox-name-are-belong-to-us" license

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sphery:

which, incidentally, breaks a surprising number of websites

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sphery:

(websites developed by clueless developers, that is)

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wagnerrp:

ah, im just building a bookmark folder for this stuff

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wagnerrp:

my history doesnt last that long

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sphery:

such as www.redbox.com: "XML Parsing Error: not well-formed"

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sphery:

they have invalid XML that they send (XHTML), so, rather than fix it, they simply look for Firefox in the User-Agent string, and if it's there, they send (the proper) HTML content type, instead of (wrongly) claiming to be sending xhtml)

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sphery:

so, what are they doing wrong: a) xhtml errors, b) claiming to have xhtml-compliant code when they don't (by sending an XHTML content type), c) invalid browser detection (using Firefox, not a proper Mozilla-based detection--which, admittedly, would be about 2000 lines of code), and d) not fixing the issue, but sweeping it under the rug by covering up the symptom

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sphery:

that said, they are /not/ the only one--as I mentioned, a surprisingly large number of websites do the same

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sphery:

sorry, just had to vent

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anyway, i ask as i was responding to that person on the ML who is running too new a mythvideo schema

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sphery:

especially since Mozilla claims to be the one that wants to "unite" the Web and prevent fragmentation

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wagnerrp:

technically, they could have simply reverted with a couple commands....

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sphery:

but they force me to have a broken browser because of their stupid trademark/license

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wagnerrp:

... but i wasnt going to tell them that

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

I looked at the update, and I can see the commands that would be required, but because it was not an "ignorable"/idempotent change, I planned to reply the same--with the link to the drop MV schema post

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you just drop the three unnamed indexes, and drop the schemaver

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bcgrown:

i had a user job to export recordings to an iPhone suitable format. now that i upgraded to mythbuntu 10.04, ffmpeg doesn't support libfaac anymore?? what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

four commands

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: use ffmpeg's internal aac encoder?

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: hmm i didn't know it had one

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wagnerrp:

it will decode (some) aac, i assumed it would encode as well

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you think we can create a 'feature request' type in trac that would auto-close itself?

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, that code is in c

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, do i need to compile it for linux

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: the results from "ffmpeg -formats" say it has "libfaad," is that an equivalent?

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wagnerrp:

C wont run until you compile it

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bcgrown:

D A libfaad libfaad AAC (Advanced Audio Codec)

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wagnerrp:

faad is a decoder

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bcgrown:

oh

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, you linked me earlier on about a usb device

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

correct, if its C, you have to compile it before it will do anything

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, any hints on how to do that?

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wagnerrp:

compile?

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

man cc

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: no encoding available :(

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Guest79819:

cheers

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sphery:

don't they have packages for that

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wagnerrp:

probably 'cc usbreset.c -o usbreset' would do it

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bcgrown:

anyone know if iPhones can play videos that use mp3 audio?

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sphery:

oh, this is not the libfaad question...

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, you are a pure gem!

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, dad@mythfront:/usr/bin$ ./usbreset

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Guest79819:

Usage: usbreset device-filename

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, do i just put usb0

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Guest79819:

or simular

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wagnerrp:

probably the full path

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wagnerrp:

lsusb lists my receiver as bus 004, device 002

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wagnerrp:

so it would be /dev/bus/usb/004/002

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Guest79819:

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0fe9:9010 DVICO

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Guest79819:

so ill try it thanks

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wagnerrp:

is that the receiver? or your tuner card?

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Guest79819:

receiver

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Guest79819:

tuner card is on BE 30 metres away :D

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wagnerrp:

big house

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Guest79819:

no its in shed

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Guest79819:

big yard

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Guest79819:

cat5 on fence back to house

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wagnerrp:

not buried?

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Guest79819:

sudo ./usbreset /dev/bus/usb/002/003

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Guest79819:

Resetting USB device /dev/bus/usb/002/003

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Guest79819:

Reset successful

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Guest79819:

omg

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Guest79819:

it works

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, nah not buried to far to dig

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, thnakyou so much

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Guest79819:

wagnerrp, it works

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Guest79819:

now I only need to work around the sudo

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wagnerrp:

if that command is being run by your init scripts, sudo should be unnecessary

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wagnerrp:

if youre running it manually, you can adjust your udev rules to give your user full rights to that device

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wagnerrp:

and then sudo would be unnecessary

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Guest79819:

could I just call the script from rc.local

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wagnerrp:

if that gets called when you come out of standby

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wagnerrp:

i doubt it does

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Guest79819:

Im not sure If not i can call it from that other scriptrpt

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Guest79819:

I use

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Guest79819:

what country you from wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

US

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Guest79819:

late night

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wagnerrp:

nah, not even midnight

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Guest79819:

thanks very much again hope to see you on here again some time

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Guest79819:

Its 130 pm here in australia

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Guest79819:

sunday

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know if 'SELECT <field> WHERE ....' takes considerably longer than 'SELECT COUNT(field) WHERE ....'

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sphery:

don't know

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sphery:

try an EXPLAIN?

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wagnerrp:

in sql

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wagnerrp:

ill just do a count, its only one more line to do it instead

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GregFrost:

hi. Does anyone know of a tool for patching mpeg2 headers to correct the aspect ratio?

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GregFrost:

The MOD files of my JVC everio camcorder are recorded in 16:9, but the aspect flags are not se correctly so myth and mplayer squish them during playback.

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GregFrost:

I can force mplayer to a specific aspect, but I want to use the internal player (because of the deinterlacing).

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wagnerrp:

well i ended up adding 40 lines to one class, but i remove another 70 from another class

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wagnerrp:

so net improvement i guess

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GregFrost:

I have successfully used DVDPatcher on windows but want a Linux solution.

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wagnerrp:

i should probably backup before using this

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wagnerrp:

i fear it has the potential for disaster

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