Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 9th, 2010, 00:06 AST

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iamlindoro:

f'ing users list with the making me resubscribe

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aliby:

Any idea why my mythbackend is recording shows on the wrong channel? Just started happening tonight. Livetv shows the correct show on the correct channel...

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: lets face it, since you wrote a quarter of the available themes, you no longer have creative control

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Do I get a 25% vote?

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wagnerrp:

sure, the rest of the mythtv users get a (75/50000)% vote

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

have to be democratic, even weighting

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wagnerrp:

only some 16k people have to vote against you for it to be so

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I am sure I will catch hell for the response, but someone had to call it like it is

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wagnerrp:

seriously... if people spent all that time bickering about things they have no authority over, and contributed something, imagine where mythtv would be today

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iamlindoro:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

thinking back, i think i actually started contributing after one such discussion

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wagnerrp:

something about complaining that your 'export to mythvideo' patch blocked the UI for 10s to 100s of seconds while waiting for the file move

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wagnerrp:

you saying something along the lines of 'well why dont you fix it'

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[R]:

that's what she said?

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[R]:

haha

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sphery:

aliby: does LiveTV show the correct listings on the correct channel? I.e. did your cable move things around and Schedules Direct doesn't know it, yet

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, amusingly I actually have a pretty simple way of making the UI not block on that if I ever went back to it, but it just seems silly to think of doing so with all the planned changes

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: so youve not had any instances of jamu/miro seizing up after that patch?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, correct, haven't seen it since

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wagnerrp:

ok, im about to do a big block of commits

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wagnerrp:

just wanted to check first

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hvr3:

hi all people, good morning

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hvr3:

i just installed myth 10.04 and have working my hvr3000 under kaffeine, but cant find channels on myth

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sulx:

myth 10.04?

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sulx:

i tough 0.22 is newest...

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hvr3:

mythtv 0.23 under mythbuntu 10.04

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hvr3:

i can tune channels with kaffeine, but with myth i cant tune or import channels.conf

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hvr3:

i cant understand why the card works under kaffeine and not on mythtv

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gbee:

So it seems that there is proof that Linux users are happy to pay a fair price and more generous than Windows users, who'd have thought? This comes from the Humble Indie Bundle offer, where they are offering 5 cross-platform games worth $80 at any price you chose to pay, after 71K people have taken up the offer, the averages per platform stand at Win: $7.18 Mac: $9.73 and Linux: $13.93

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gbee:

so Windows and Mac users are greater freeloaders than Linux users :)

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jarle:

hvr3: try starting mythtv-setup from console and look at the output.

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hvr3:

i think is anything of adapter0, on olders version have to create a simlink and create an adapter1

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AndyCap:

gbee: depends on the product. Ed Hamrick of vuescan has about 2% of the sales on linux. http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz.5.497526.21 But i guess that reflects the use of linux on the "desktop" :)

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gbee:

I don't think there's as much demand for a scanning app on linux, there are already lots of free ones which do the job, VueScan probably doesn't offer enough beyond what's already available or features which are only of interests to the professional or keen amateur photographer and they will likely be using something like a Mac anyway

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AndyCap:

2% isn't horrible, and he's still doing the linux version. :)

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gbee:

but IMHO the figures from HLB suggest that if you have the right product, something which isn't available for linux or which is of significant quality then linux users given the choice are quite happy to pay twice as much as Windows users

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oobe:

暂离

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gbee:

"Absence from"

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oobe:

did you just translate it

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oobe:

i didnt know what it meant

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oobe:

i just copied and pasted it

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oobe:

i have 2.1 speakers and if i watch anything in internal player that has 5.1 audio it only plays some sounds usually just the background noise but all the speaking and stuff is left out

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oobe:

so as a work around i re encode the audio

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oobe:

is there a better way

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oobe:

im talking about mythvideo btw

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oobe:

not mythtv recordings

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AndyCap:

oobe: tell your amp you only have 2.1?

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oobe:

this is on my pc it doesn have an amp

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oobe:

i plug the speakers straight in to the pc

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AndyCap:

So something like this? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5351

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oobe:

similar in the sense its only mp4 files with 5.1 sound

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oobe:

but the sound isnt distorted

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oobe:

i can just hear the backgroun music and sound effects

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oobe:

no voice

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oobe:

or echod effect voice

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oobe:

it sounds how is would meant to sound if i had 5.1 with out the back speakers plugged in

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AndyCap:

oobe: I'm not familiar with the setting, but the bug mentions a setting for audio setup?

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

yea i tried a few things with audio settings

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oobe:

i dont think it would be a common problem

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oobe:

its only some files i have come across

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oobe:

and like i said i have a work around

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gbee:

oobe: that's the google translation, which could be accurate, but probably isn't

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oobe:

oh ok

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AndyCap:

oobe: what's the max audio channels?

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oobe:

I'm not sure what you mean

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oobe:

i have 2.1 speakers

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AndyCap:

in General settings. Audio

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oobe:

and i use sterio in mythtv-setup / general settings

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oobe:

actually i just deleted one of the last files that caused that problem so i have no way of testing

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AndyCap:

meh, the windows clips had wma pro audio.

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Guest11863:

i have dvico remote

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Guest11863:

i cant get it to wake my pc from standby

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Guest11863:

it works prior and after

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Guest11863:

I have enabled the usb port in /proc/acpi/wakeup

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Faithful:

how do i use a subs txt file in the video player?

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ver:

Faithful, the easiest way would be to name it the same as the media file, but with the extension changed to .sub

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Faithful:

and it will pick it up?

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ver:

yeah if you have mplayer setup as the player it should

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Faithful:

oh, no inbuilt...

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Faithful:

how do I turn them on?

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ver:

no clue in that case

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Faithful:

thanks for your help

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bergqvistjl:

hi guys, i'm using mythbuntu x64 Lucid and ive accidentally just deleted all groups in both my normal user and the mythtv user. Can someone (preferably with a clean mythbuntu lucid install), list all the groups in those two users for me please?

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bergqvistjl:

anyone?

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ver:

heh, well... the easiest way would be to reinstall the .deb which provides /etc/group

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bergqvistjl:

no, ive got that, i just need to know which of those groups the mythbuntu install applies to my user and the Mythtv user

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bergqvistjl:

sorry if i worded the initial question badly, basically both my user and the mythtv user are now not members of any groups

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bergqvistjl:

because i accidentally removed both the users from all their groups

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bergqvistjl:

so all id want someone with a clean-ish install of mythbuntu Lucid to just list the groups that they are a member with, and then do the same for the mythtv user as well

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Faithful:

Ok I got subs now... how do I delay them???

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bergqvistjl:

ok well ive decided to just re-install mythbuntu on a spare HHD and note down the groups it adds the users too, and then add them to the other install

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TauPan:

hi... I've discovered that mythtv streams video and music via upnp, but for some reason I can stream the video and audio to a windows 7 box fine, but vlc on linux only sees the video... hm, I guess this is a vlc question after all

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jarle:

Is there some settings in mythweb where I can set the default recording settings for a new recording (I want subtitle then description as default dupe check), or will I have to manually edit the code?

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TauPan:

hm... with djmount I only see playlists in the Music directory but no files like in the Video dirs

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TauPan:

(I use 0.23~rc2–0 from debian)

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GreyFoxx:

Upnp is unfortunately not so universal :/

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TauPan:

I wonder why playing video from linux via upnp works, but music doesn't. mythfrontend of course can play the music, but I can't run mythfrontend on the box in the living room

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jarle:

so how do I change the dupe method from "description" to "subtitle then description" for my recording-rules, guess I need to change record.dupmethod for the entries?

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv itself doesn't use upnp for streaming. The problem you are likely running into is that the clients don't like something in the xml being returned by the music related portion of the upnp code

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GreyFoxx:

taup: There are many exceptions and customizations in parts of the upnmp code to support specific clients

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GreyFoxx:

so I'm never suprised when one and works yet others don't :/

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seanthegeek:

Hello. I have a SA (now Cisco) 83000HD DVR. Assuming the firewire port is fully working can I control the box and use both of its tuners? Would I even need tuner cards?

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Faithful:

Hey where can I find what the keyboard bindings are in mythvideo internal player

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TauPan:

GreyFoxx: can you name a linux console based upnp client that does work?

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TauPan:

hmmkay... now I found a somewhat convoluted combination that works... I can mount the upnp share with djmount and then nvlc can actually play the playlists

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TauPan:

not even mythfrontend can play music from upnp, it seems

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gbee:

mythfrontend doesn't act as a upnp client, MythTV only acts as a upnp server

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clever:

gbee: doesnt it use upnp to find the mysql name/pw/addr at one point?

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gbee:

SSDP, which upnp is based upon but it's not upnp

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gbee:

well the discovery part of upnp utilises SSDP, to be more accurate, but it's the bit which comes after the discovery that defines upnp

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clever:

ah

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drindt:

i have this problem here: http://pastebin.com/6NJzS2SP client takes a lot of time to display data from backend... someone can please help me with that?

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wagnerrp:

seanthegeek: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: yes, you could use a client such as djmount to mount a upnp path, at which point you could use that content in MythVideo with browse mode

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wagnerrp:

oh, seems you found djmount, nevermind

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seanthegeek:

wgnerrp: Do you know if the Hauppauge HD-PVR can cake advantage of multi tuners on an STB?

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wagnerrp:

seanthegeek: one HDPVR can record one analog stream

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wagnerrp:

i have only ever heard of one or two satellite receivers that are actually capable of playing back more than one stream at a time anyway

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wagnerrp:

never any for cable

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wagnerrp:

they may have multiple tuners for DVR purposes, but they only ever output one video strea

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wagnerrp:

m

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seanthegeek:

wgnerrp: ah, are the IR drivers included in the kernel by now?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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wagnerrp:

if youve got firewire access to your STB, there is no need for IR

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wagnerrp:

just use firewire to change the channels

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lvdave:

hi! I've just installed mythtv on ubuntu 10.04, all the v4l2-ish drivers seem to be loaded, but I can't seem to get any /dev device.. I've done the lspci thing, created a udev rule, it seems to run but no /dev/video0 or whatever it calls it.. The tuner card is Hauppauge PVR150..

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt have to make udev rules, or mess with drivers, or do ANYTHING for a PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu should just automatically detect it and do whatever is needed to set it up

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lvdave:

hmm.. so there *should* a /dev/video0 there? I assume thats what I put into the capturecard config?

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wagnerrp:

is there no /dev/video0?

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lvdave:

no there isnt

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wagnerrp:

is the device showing up in lspci at all? should be an entry for a CX23416

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lvdave:

lspci shows a Conexant Systems Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio controller..

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wagnerrp:

that is not a PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

that chip is used for pci-express, which the 150s are certainly not

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lvdave:

thats weird.. I bought the card at frys and it was listed as a hauppauge pvr150.. now it *does* have a 1 lane pciexpress

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lvdave:

now it *was* in a whitebox OEM version I believe..

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wagnerrp:

could you run 'lspci -vvv' and pastebin the result?

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wagnerrp:

just past the URL to the page in here

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lvdave:

ok

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lvdave:

http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/RKFsMfn3

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wagnerrp:

ok, look at the box again

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wagnerrp:

are you sure it doesnt say 'HVR-1250'?

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wagnerrp:

because thats what card you have installed

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lvdave:

Ok... As I said it was an OEM "systembuilder" type.. Guess frys miss-marked it.. is it better or worse than a PVR150?

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wagnerrp:

neither

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wagnerrp:

the PVR150 is a hardware mpeg2 encoder for analog capture

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lvdave:

does it work with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

the HVR1250 is a digital tuner for ATSC/QAM

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wagnerrp:

theyre for two completely different purposes

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wagnerrp:

they dont compete with each other to be better/worse

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lvdave:

ner also

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lvdave:

It works fine in Win7 media center on my analog cable connection.

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wagnerrp:

sure, it has an analog framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

but you dont want to use a framegrabber for recording anyway

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wagnerrp:

and besides, there is no linux support for the framegrabber

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lvdave:

ok thanks for your help...

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wagnerrp:

you cannot purchase PVR-150s retail

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wagnerrp:

if you need analog recording, you want a 150, or some other IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

the 150 and 500 are typically only available second hand, ebay, craigslist

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wagnerrp:

or you can purchase a (much more expensive) new 1600

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lvdave:

think I'll go with ebay/craigs.. expensive is not good right now..

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wagnerrp:

$20-$25 is a decent price for a 150

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wagnerrp:

or double that for a (dual tuner) 500

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lvdave:

thats certainly doable...

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wagnerrp:

that 1250 was probably in the $40-$50 range?

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lvdave:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you should have no trouble returning that for a full refund since it was mislabele

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wagnerrp:

d

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lvdave:

well.. I've had it for about a year.. been using it on Vista/Win7.. I decided to try Ubuntu 10.04 when it came out..

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

that 1250 should work great for digital tv

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wagnerrp:

just hook up an antenna and youre set

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lvdave:

I may try that!!

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lvdave:

Thanks for your advice... gotta run..

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KjetilK:

does anyone here have experience with a Cideko Air Keyboard with MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

expecting it to be different from any other keyboard?

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wagnerrp:

or more if the multimedia buttons can be used?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: great, now I have to do the orphan changes...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: :P

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wagnerrp:

hey, you said it first on the wiki, and in the mailing list, and on the IRC channel, and....

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Beirdo:

woohoo. Caddy Shack on TV

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Beirdo:

be the one and only time I watch the Golf Channel, I think

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wagnerrp:

the first one? or the abomination?

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, about the keyboard (I had to run shortly after I posted the message), yeah, I was hoping that the multimedia buttons work, and if they map easily to some key, it should be pretty nice, I would think...

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wagnerrp:

KjetilK: usually all that stuff works with special HID scan codes

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wagnerrp:

so there is little difference between one keyboard and the next, besides which of those it supports

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wagnerrp:

how you actually get those to work with mythtv, i couldnt tell you

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KjetilK:

right

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iamlindoro:

Yay, another piece of metadata to go input for a couple hundred movies at TMDB

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iamlindoro:

There should be a rule where if I implement a new piece of metadata in Myth, I don't have to edit my own movies ;)

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KjetilK:

it seems it is explicitly supported by Linux, but not the multimedia keys

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive got to tweak the bindings for that new field

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KjetilK:

are there any other similar keyboards I should consider buying instead?

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wagnerrp:

most people dont use keyboards with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: got any example movies of what returns tags?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The Hangover, Sin city, Wall-e

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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** Beirdo shakes his fist at his virtualbox setup **

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wagnerrp:

just need to update the dictionary translating from grabber fields to database fields

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Beirdo:

why won't this work, dangit

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Beirdo:

libtool snafu

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wagnerrp:

oh, you did list an example right there in the commit

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wagnerrp:

!trout wagnerrp READ THE COMMITS

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a READ THE COMMITS trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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KjetilK:

wagnerrp, yeah, I've used an MS remote so far, and it does the job, but I can see myself using mythbrowser more with a keyboard, and it also taking more interesting directions if at some point, I can navigate more metadata... :-)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: couple other things looking at cleanup...

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wagnerrp:

any reason to keep mythplugins/mythvideo/videodb around?

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wagnerrp:

and would you like mythplugins/mythvideo/contrib/videometadata moved to the wiki and/or rewritten with the python bindings?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That's one of several files that could probably go

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Last time I did cleanup/ripout I must have found a reason to kepp them for the moment, but let me have another look later and if I can't throw something away outright, I'll let you know re: bindings

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wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, it just pulls all content within a certain folder and marks it as 'adult content' or whatever

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

It's probably fine, just let me get through getting all these movies edited and I'll have another look

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

oh, it generated thumbnails for your videos, i guess it only works on content thats level 4?

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iamlindoro:

It might have done, but it predates the screenshot column so it may need to be rewritten outright

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it uses coverfile

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wagnerrp:

ooh... i could make this really nice

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wagnerrp:

find any files with no screenshot listed

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wagnerrp:

play some games with the backend to get the full path

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wagnerrp:

issue a preview request to the backend with the file path

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wagnerrp:

pull the new image, and dump into the screenshots folder

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wagnerrp:

delete the old location

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wagnerrp:

update the database

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Beirdo:

urgh

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Beirdo:

why must it be politics time in PA when I'm here?

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gbee:

stop adding metadata to mythvideo! I've now got to re-arrange Terra's edit metadata screen and find room for it :/

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iamlindoro:

it's optional :P

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iamlindoro:

Terra's edit metadata screen is already missing a half dozen widgets as it is

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[R]:

does anyone else think widget is one of the coolest words ever?

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gbee:

Beirdo: Pennsylvania, Pulse Audio, Port Authority, Panama?

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Beirdo:

Pennsylvania... seems a local election is soon

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Beirdo:

I'm in Philly for another week.

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Beirdo:

or most of it anyways

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Beirdo:

ahh, libtool issue gone

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Beirdo:

had to autoreconf :)

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iamlindoro:

Blah, can't do any more of these taglines today-- I have to correct as many as I have to add.

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gbee:

I did a few the other day

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dustintheweb:

I'm looking to build a mythTV backend box that also doubles as a general NAS at the home, is anybody else doing this from the same box?

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[R]:

dustintheweb: i think maybe you're the first one to ever think of that

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[R]:

:)

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dustintheweb:

your kidding me right?

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, Yes, he's kidding you-- he's teasing you because probably 90% of myth users use their systems as network attached storage in some fashion

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, So it's like asking, "Hey, I was thinking about exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide, anyone else doing this?"

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iamlindoro:

So we're saying it might be productive to ask a more specific question

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you're smart... what's the incantation to preload LD path again? :) I think I need less beer, kill fewer brain cells.

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dustintheweb:

lol ok, fail on me then. What rabbit hole should I go down then? is there a best practice that someone suggests?

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, That's still kind of vague-- what is it you want to know?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, LD_LIBRARY_PATH= I think

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Beirdo:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

np

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Beirdo:

not sure how that fell outta my head

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iamlindoro:

Beer is slippery

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dustintheweb:

I would like to know the best (as in most common) setup for making a mythTV backend box double as an @ home NAS

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Beirdo:

yeah, that must be it

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[R]:

dustintheweb: the 2 are completely independent have nothing to do with each other

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, There is no such thing-- the two functionalities are divorced from one another-- Myth performs one function, the core SAMBA/NFS/whatever functionalities of the OS provide the other

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dustintheweb:

my NAS uses would be file storage & backup

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dustintheweb:

ok, so if I install mythTV backend on a box, does it have to be dedicated to that task?

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iamlindoro:

No

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[R]:

the magic of linux

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[R]:

it supports multitasking

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[R]:

isn't that awesome?

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dustintheweb:

very

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dustintheweb:

what do most people do to accomplish this?

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dustintheweb:

the multi tasking of Myth & NAS

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[R]:

run mythbackend

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[R]:

and run nfs and/or samba

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, There's nothing to do-- I take it from the questions that you may be a new linux user?

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dustintheweb:

I am a newb with a capital EWB

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, It's like asking how to run Microsoft Office and share printers on windows at the same time

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iamlindoro:

There's no special interaction for multiple services to run on a given linux box-- you set up myth, you set up file sharing, and you're done

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dustintheweb:

ok, makes sense – I just wanted to make sure it was possible. I was under the impression that a myth backend box had to be dedicated to that purpose

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iamlindoro:

nope, not at all

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dustintheweb:

is there any downsides to running those two types of tasks at the same time? can they interfere w/ each other (netwrok bogdown, etc)?

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pyther:

hi

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pyther:

is it possible to enable dpms

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: there's LD_PRELOAD too if you want to load one lib first. (man ld.so)

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pyther:

mythfrontend disables it, and if you kill mythfrontend it won't reenable it

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, If you are maxing out disk IO, or CPU, or network bandwidth, sure

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[R]:

pyther: xset... and why are you killing mythfrotnnend

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, but myth is going to use relatively trivial amounts of network bandwitch and on any modern system the liklihood of that actually happening is fairly slim

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iamlindoro:

er bandwidth

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pyther:

[R]: thanks, because it was hanging

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pyther:

I think the seek time stuff in the db is all messed up :-/

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pyther:

I have to see what happen with the next few recordings

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pyther:

I had an power outage the other day while myth was recording a show

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dustintheweb:

what makes nfs better/worse than samba?

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[R]:

dustintheweb: its a real filesystem vs a microsoft hack

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dustintheweb:

which one is the hack, samba?

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[R]:

samvba

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dustintheweb:

do most people go nfs?

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[R]:

depends on what they want to do

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[R]:

and how lazy they are

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iamlindoro:

dustintheweb, If you need to share with windows systems, you will likely want to use Samba. If you only intend to share with linux systems, you will probably want NFS. Each has its advantages

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dustintheweb:

ah, so is it fair to say that samba is the more flexible approach?

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[R]:

you can so nfs from windows

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[R]:

i.e.

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[R]:

[01:50:31] [R] and how lazy they are

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iamlindoro:

no, not really, NFS has a great deal more flexibility in certain ways

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iamlindoro:

I would only explicitly suggest Samba for use if you need to share it with windows and windows-sharing-compatible devices

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dustintheweb:

I have mostly windows machines in the home, but if NFS will work with the windows boxes, I'll go with it – are you saying it won't work at all w/ windows, or that its just not as easy

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iamlindoro:

It is possible to mount NFS shares in windows

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dustintheweb:

by the sound of it though, it's not that easy

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iamlindoro:

These are not particularly topical in this channel, though, it might be best to ask these questions in the channel of whatever distro you are running

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dustintheweb:

what distro is mythTV based on?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv isn't based on a distro

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iamlindoro:

It sounds like it might be the right time to look up what MythTV actually is before going further ;)

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iamlindoro:

MythTV is a suite of applications, not a distribution/OS/what have you

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dustintheweb:

lol, I've been following mythtv for years now – never dug down into it until now though

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dustintheweb:

oh nice

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dustintheweb:

so it can be used independent of a linux distro

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dustintheweb:

specifically

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dustintheweb:

so lets say I install FreeNAS on a box, are you saying Myth will play nice w/ that?

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[R]:

myth doesnt care about other things you install

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dustintheweb:

if that is the case, what distro do most people install myth onto?

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[R]:

whatever distro they like

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dustintheweb:

is there a favorite in the community?

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[R]:

all of them

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dustintheweb:

you have been helpful, thanks for answering the questions.

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dustintheweb:

I'll learn more & come back w/ more later

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c00p:

Hi, I am trying to work out the best hardware to use for a mythubuntu box to capture video from my Satalite TV box so I can stream it around my house ...

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c00p:

anyone got any good reccomendations or articles / tutorials online I could read?

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RobertLaptop:

I have a diff mythubuntu question. I have been running mythubuntu for some time but had a lot of problems when I upgraded to .21 so I kinda skipped .22 but now I am having hardware problems and bought a new system so now I have to upgrade. Are then any know issues with the latest using PVR-150 specifically lirc_i2c?

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Cervera:

Hey, i need a bit of help. i think something's wrong with my db, fresh installation now

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Cervera:

i recieve an error while trying to watch livetv

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tank-man:

do we have to guess at the error message? :)

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Cervera:

writes: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?

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Cervera:

no, it just takes time to type

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Cervera:

and the log: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/X6xBH4a7

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Cervera:

(backend)

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tank-man:

did you add an input during initial setup?

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Cervera:

yeah, worked on previous installation (that was my first test) untill i tucked up too many things

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Cervera:

(including dropping the database)

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tank-man:

did you add an input for the current installation during initial setup?

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Cervera:

tank-man: yes

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tank-man:

did you scan for channels? (if needed)

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Cervera:

oh, and that error is only after restart. if i "sudo restart mythtv-backend" the message dissapears, but still livetv drops back to menu

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Cervera:

yes. scan was okay

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tank-man:

what kind of video capture device do you have? the log says /dev/video0 doesnt exist

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tank-man:

"Permission denied"

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tank-man:

what are the permissions on that file?

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Cervera:

pvr-150

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Cervera:

hauppage

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Cervera:

log after backend restart (same computer, sone by sudo): http://mythtv.pastebin.com/c0Wv99UV

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Cervera:

done ^^

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tank-man:

do you know how to check the permissions on a file?

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tank-man:

access permissions

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Cervera:

yeah

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tank-man:

are they read and write for the user?

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Cervera:

which files?

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tank-man:

what ever the backend is run as i think

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tank-man:

the /dev/video0 file

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Cervera:

no reason why they shouldn't, fresh mythbuntu installation. no self compiling

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Cervera:

but i'll check\

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Cervera:

wait, chmod is for changing, how can i view attributes?

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bjd:

ls

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bjd:

man ls

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tank-man:

"ls -l /dev/video0"

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Cervera:

-l, i'll check

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Cervera:

crw-rw----+ it's okay

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tank-man:

these are the 2 lines that look like the problem in your log: #

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tank-man:

2010-05–10 00:12:49.508 Channel(/dev/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Permission denied" and 2010-05–10 00:12:49.516 MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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Cervera:

tell me, in the capture cards there's a line for "default input"

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Cervera:

what does it matter, if you later edit each input?

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tank-man:

where is that? in mythtv-setup ?

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Cervera:

wait, i think i found something:

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Cervera:

external tuning program exited with error 127

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Cervera:

maybe the IRblaster script?

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Cervera:

cause the input is composite – no tuning program

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tank-man:

im not familiar with ir blaster setups

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Cervera:

lemme try the script manually

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Nidhoegger:

hi, small question: ive installed mythtv on my gentoo machine, now i have a new user: mythtv. he is blocking the video cards, but i want to run mythtv as user "user" can i change it so the mythtv user isnt blocking the devices?

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tank-man:

Nidhoegger, blocking the video cards how

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Nidhoegger:

if i try to scan for channels as normal user, i get the console output device or ressource busy, so i lsof it to see whats using the device -> user mythtv

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Cervera:

WOW WOW WOW – i'm VERY stupid! i gave the wrong path to the blaster script

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Cervera:

that's it

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Nidhoegger:

for me, if mythbackend is stopped, no one uses the dvb device, if i start it, mythtv users sits on it and i cant watch tv, even when im logged in as mythtv

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tank-man:

Nidhoegger, how are you starting mythbackend?

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Nidhoegger:

initscript

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Nidhoegger:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend

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gbee:

enable 'open on demand' and disable eit scanning

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Nidhoegger:

where do i set this? mythtv-setup? i just can set timeouts for EIT

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Nidhoegger:

working

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Nidhoegger:

thank yozu

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anyone here have mythtv (frontend and backend) playing nicely with gnome-power-manager, specifically, suspend after a defined time?

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cleith:

Had my machine suspend in the middle of a recording the other day.

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Nidhoegger:

how can i tell mythtv to use PAL-BG standart with analog cards?=

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cleith:

Nobody around today?

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ctmjr:

Hi i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction am running release-0-23-rc1 and the problem is my program guide list the channel lineup in an erratic manner it list channels 4, 24, 67.... in myth-setup i set it to list channels by number, but it does not help am getting my line up from schedules direct and scte65scan to map the channels

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cleith:

Bye

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iamlindoro:

ctmjr, In Utilities/Setup->Setup->Tv Settings->program Guide, what is the channel ordering?

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iamlindoro:

(from the frontend)

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ctmjr:

iamlindoro, looking now

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ctmjr:

iamlindoro, thank you that was it it was listing channel icons switched it to channel numbers

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iamlindoro:

np

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jolaren:

I'm havin problems with MythWeb.. It "dissapears" from the web once and a while

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squish102:

what is the best way to move the HD channels up the recording priority?

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oobe:

squish102, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.ht . . . m%20Priority

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wagnerrp:

so final release half an hour ago?

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dan__t:

hi.

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dan__t:

Anyone use a Hauppauge HVR-1600? The "blaster" – what does it look like? Does it have a round end, and an oblong diode, two wires connected to a phono jack that plugs in to the card?

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squish102:

thanks oobe

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dan__t:

I don't remember what came with the box, and I think the "blaster" part was a different cable.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the blaster is the tiny little plastic piece on the end of an 1/8" mono jack

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wagnerrp:

or if youre talking the vanilla 1600

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wagnerrp:

its a 4-connector jack, and the receiver is the larger gray plastic piece

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wagnerrp:

http://www.snapstream.com/images/store/PVR-150_IR_Blaster.jpg

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wagnerrp:

the receiver is the big gray thing, the transmitter is the small black thing

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squish102:

wagnerrp release .23 you talking bout?

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24521

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wagnerrp:

tagged, but not official yet

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wagnerrp:

need to get the tarballs out to mirrors first

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squish102:

now i really really have to upgrade. still on .21 but trying to get like hardware to test the upgrade first (which is its own challenge)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: another US user who wants to scan for channels on his PVR-500 rather than use Schedules Direct

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delmar:

Hi everyone. I'm having some issues getting mythtv to drive my Moteck positioner via diseqc 1.2. The card+diseqc setup _seem_ fairly obvious, but mythtv isnt sending the commands. tried mythtv .22 and 0.23. Anyone know much about the diseqc 1.2 support in myth etc? cheers.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i didnt realize you were such a new dev

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wagnerrp:

when going through the initial rewrite of the bindings, you seemed to know too much about the internals not to be a old dev

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sphery:

I'm good at faking

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iamlindoro:

That's what she said

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

see... now i GET that one

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wagnerrp:

[R] keeps using that, i havent understood it once

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aliby:

sphery: no, my channel lineup has not changed. I've deleted and readded channels to no avail

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sphery:

aliby: was talking about someone else

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sphery:

on the -users list

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Vek:

my myth frontend seems to have decided everyone should sound like mickey mouse. No changes that I'm aware of; it started while I was trying the DVD play feature last night--the DVD slowly sped up and finally got too annoying--but now it's affecting my recorded video as well.

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Vek:

any idea what might have gone wrong and/or how to fix it?

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levander:

I've gotta WinTV card in my MythTV box. But, when I 'lspci', it's not showing up in the output. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

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wagnerrp:

what 'WinTV' card specifically?

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levander:

wagnerrp: That's what I'm trying to verify. I believe it's a 2250, but I' mnot positive.

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dustintheweb:

does anyone have a link to a parts list for a mid-high end myth back end box?

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dustintheweb:

looking for suggestions :D

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levander:

RF is short for "radio frequency"?

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levander:

Specifically, in this sentence: There is talk of being able to use a cable or satellite STB's RF output to capture HDTV sourced from cable or satellite. This CANNOT be done! Cable & satellite receivers for the home do not & cannot remodulate HDTV signals to ATSC/QAM. If channels are encrypted on cable/satellite – that's how they stay.

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levander:

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wagnerrp:

any RF (rg-6 coax) output they may have would be standard definition NTSC

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levander:

ah, okay, thanks

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dustintheweb:

no suggestions for me?

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: you have to provide the scenario you intend to install for before we can recommend anything

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levander:

dustintheweb: sorry, i'm not familiar with various hardware configurations and what it takes to run what with Myth

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dustintheweb:

I'm just basically wanting to know, for a back end box, what cpu / ram specs I should be looking for

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wagnerrp:

right we cant yet tell you

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dustintheweb:

don't want to come up short umph wise, and I don't want to break the bank

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dustintheweb:

what are you running wagnerrp?

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levander:

dustintheweb: They need info like "how many frontends"? "What will your video source be? cable? pirated video? what?"

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wagnerrp:

1.8, 2.0, and 2.6 GHz athlons

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dustintheweb:

ram?

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wagnerrp:

2GB, 1GB, 2GB

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dustintheweb:

ok cool, so you think 2gb is plenty for you?

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wagnerrp:

more than

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dustintheweb:

is that back end + front?

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wagnerrp:

however we cannot recommend a CPU until you tell us what you intend to do

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levander:

dustintheweb: yes, front and backend on the same box, or 2 different boxes, 2gb is plenty

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: did you read some of that guy's posts?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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dan__t:

lirc_pvr150: cx18 i2c driver #0–1: no devices found

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dan__t:

i give up.

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dan__t:

just waiting for my blasters to show up tomorrow.

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wagnerrp:

a pirate... AND absolutely retarded

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dustintheweb:

right now, I'm building a file server/ myth back end combo box. front end will come later. I just want to make sure that on the myth side of things, that the processor/ ram I throw into it will keep things smooth. A scenario for me would be: recording 1080 movie from cable onto the backend, streaming another 1080 movie from that drive at the same time, and maybe basic file transfers from the same box.

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dan__t:

dustintheweb, I picked up an Intel Ion-based machine the other day as a frontend, its working pretty well.

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dustintheweb:

It's just my wife & I on a small network

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: if you intend to record HD from cable, please read http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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dustintheweb:

yeah I'm thinking ion for the front end

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I was the one who corrected his nonsense way back when, just forgot he existed until now

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dustintheweb:

thanks wagnerrp, I'm familiar w/ that – it doesn't list specs though

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: no, but it lists the difficulties of recording digital cable

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dustintheweb:

right, :) I'm aware

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dustintheweb:

it'd mostly be antenna, etc

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wagnerrp:

still need to know what your usage scenario would be

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wagnerrp:

recording off ATSC? recording off an HDPVR? one frontend? multiple frontends? any bluray content?

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wagnerrp:

any need for transcoding? commflagging?

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dan__t:

Ok, looks like I need to look in to getting an HD PVR real soon...

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dan__t:

That could be fun.

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dustintheweb:

it will be 1 front end to begin with, no more than 2 in the foreseeable future. I'll be doing mostly ATSC, maybe cable when/if I can get something to come through. Transcoding into mpeg-2, Not sure about commflagging

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levander:

dan__t: I'm looking at that now. $200 seems steep for something like that...

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wagnerrp:

ATSC already is mpeg2

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levander:

I'm almost half thinking about just going with my cable companies crummy DVR.

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dan__t:

Yea it does.. and considering I'd need two of them, not sure its worth it.

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Shadow_U:

being able to record premiums in hd seems worth it to me

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dustintheweb:

so, any thoughts on a backend cpu for that scenario?

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Shadow_U:

2 quad core xeons at the least

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wagnerrp:

oh, certainly!

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** dustintheweb facepalm **

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wagnerrp:

... no, the backend really does next to nothing with digital tuners and hardware encoders

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levander:

dan__t: Any idea how much renting an HD cable box from your provider is? Last time I looked, you buy the HD channels, you get the HD cable box (which is a DVR) for free.

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dustintheweb:

its like 10$ a month w/ a package

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wagnerrp:

you need enough power to do a fairly quick schedule run, through the backend and database

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wagnerrp:

and thats about it

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dan__t:

I have the HD box, just no pure digital way to get that content in to MythTV. That's what I want.

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wagnerrp:

any halfway decent dual core processor (not atom, or some other low power POS)

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dustintheweb:

so, would a 1.6ghz dual core fit the bill?

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dan__t:

I'm real happy with this Atom frontend

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dan__t:

I've said that a few times heh

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levander:

Sucks that Comcast turned on privacy mode. I'm almost as lost now as I was when I first used Myth.

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wagnerrp:

an atom is a terrible frontend or backend

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wagnerrp:

an ION is an adequate frontend, but not great

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dan__t:

First Atom I've ever owned. NVidia Ion makes things look real nice apparently.

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wagnerrp:

commflagging takes a lot of power, maybe 30–50% more than normal decoding

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dan__t:

I got this board because I wanted HDMI output onboard.

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levander:

The FCC with their failed tru2way are a bunch of idiots.

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt have to happen in real time unless you want it to

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dustintheweb:

wagnerrp, what would you consider a half decent dual core processor?

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dan__t:

wondering how many people have just ripped the QAM cards out of their cable boxes and used them somehow in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

transcoding requires a lot more power, not something you can do in real time

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wagnerrp:

dustintheweb: any core2, i3/5/7, or athlon64

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wagnerrp:

dual core p4s need not apply

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wagnerrp:

but you cant buy those anymore anyway, so it doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

if you want transcodes and commflags to go faster, you need more power

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wagnerrp:

but its not really necessary

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wagnerrp:

now the frontend needs a lot of power for decoding

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dustintheweb:

is transcoding/ commflagging a backend process?

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wagnerrp:

its a jobqueue process, and each backend runs an instance of the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

or you can run mythjobqueue on the frontend, or any other machine you have available

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wagnerrp:

the frontend needs to handle all decoding

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wagnerrp:

that same core2/i3/i5/i7/ath64 will have no trouble with ATSC

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wagnerrp:

but you need at least a 2.5GHz core2, or 3GHz ath64, to handle that HDPVR content

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dustintheweb:

yeah, I'm planning on a much beefier front end

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can offload it to an nvidia GPU using VDPAU (as the ION platform does)

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wagnerrp:

1GB should be decent for a backend, but more memory gets you more disk cache

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wagnerrp:

never bad

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wagnerrp:

consider 1GB bare minimum for a frontend

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wagnerrp:

its fine for standard def or minimal themes

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levander:

The wiki just says they're working on support for the HD DVR. Did that work every complete?

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wagnerrp:

but one with a lot of artwork is going to consume a lot of memory

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dan__t:

Says it works as of 0.22

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wagnerrp:

levander: yeah, like a year and a half ago

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dustintheweb:

ok, so knowing what I'm dealing with now (backend only) – would you say an i3 w/ 2gb ram would get me where I need w/ some furtureproofing wiggle room?

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wagnerrp:

any i3 should make a nice backend

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dustintheweb:

that's what I needed to know

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dustintheweb:

thanks

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dustintheweb:

was just going to go for an old p4 dual

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Shadow_U:

dustintheweb: not only is a dual p4 setup a power hog it is also slow

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dustintheweb:

its a good thing I came here first then ;)

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dustintheweb:

is anyone here running an i3 or greater?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: feeling bored? I'd bet you could crank out a patch in minutes to make mythplugins/mytharchive/mythburn/scripts/mythburn.py not include a trailing comma on the list of chapter times to post to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8438 for user testing.

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sphery:

(and then--after being exposed to the MythArchive python, you may get the "rewrite in Python bindings" bug :)

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iamlindoro:

or the "cured of ever wanting to touch anything again" bug

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ten good enough?

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sphery:

did you catch the bug?

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wagnerrp:

probably... maybe....

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wagnerrp:

ive never used mytharchive

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sphery:

hehe :)

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sphery:

yeah, that's it's primary problem--none of the devs really have much use for it, so it doesn't get lots of love

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sphery:

its

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sphery:

http://www.tv.com/whats-been-renewed-whats-be . . . nd_the_web;8

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sphery:

Better Off Ted... I want that miracle

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wagnerrp:

'couger town... for better or worse, it has fans'

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wagnerrp:

thats certainly a glowing review... :)

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sphery:

Supernatural ... Will be back, but without show creator and showrunner Eric Kripke.

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sphery:

woah... that's unexpected

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sphery:

as even the show creator thought this was its last season

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wagnerrp:

'ncis... automatic return unless cbs makes the biggest mistake in broadcasting history'

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I liked that one

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sphery:

The Cleveland Show ... Two words: Seth MacFarlane.

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sphery:

I deleted the entire season having only watched one episode (the Family Guy crossover)

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sphery:

Seth or not, it wasn't worth the time

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sphery:

one for iamlindoro: Dollhouse ... You can't spell Whedon without D-O-N-E. Kidding, kidding.

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** cesman also enjoys Ted **

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sphery:

think an e-mail from you and one from me will be enough to convince them?

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sphery:

Heroes ... Rumored to get a 13-episode final season.

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sphery:

Chuck ... It's prospects going back and forth; we're guessing it returns.

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sphery:

If Heroes comes back and Chuck doesn't, I'll be /very/ upset

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** cesman gave up on Chuck long ago **

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sphery:

I like Chuck

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wagnerrp:

so the jay leno show is cancelled, and all theyve got left is the SNL dropout

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wagnerrp:

their late night lineup is going to be awful

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sphery:

SNL dropout?

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sphery:

they've still got The Tonight Show with Conan^H^H^H^H^HJay Leno

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wagnerrp:

jimmy fallon

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sphery:

heh, I never knew he was SNL alum

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wagnerrp:

oh, so hes still got the show, they just renamed it back

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Dassu:

^.^

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wagnerrp:

sphery: he wasnt an alum, he was a dropout

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wagnerrp:

the only funny thing he was part of on that show was 'moar cowbell'

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

Jay is back to his original show in his original time slot

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wagnerrp:

he had several years of additional garbage

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sphery:

but The Jay Leno Show (in the 10:00 time slot) is cancelled)

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wagnerrp:

so heroes is coming back for a fifth?

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sphery:

or is that a 9th?

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sphery:

with all those 2-chapter seasons and such

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bcgrown:

what are everyone's thoughts on vdpau deinterlacers? the wiki seems to say Temporal 2x is better, but Bob 2x looks better to me

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Teevo:

Hello people.

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bcgrown:

hello

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wagnerrp:

bob is a very simple filter, that does nothing more than double the lines in each field

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Teevo:

I have a problem, which appears to be common.

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bcgrown:

Well that's what analog TVs were meant to do. Why do we need to do anything else?

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wagnerrp:

no, thats not what analog tvs were meant to do

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bcgrown:

oh sorry i misread your comment

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Teevo:

HD MKV files freezing during playback.

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Teevo:

I want to change it from the internal player to an mplayer code I found... but I think I put it in wrong.

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wagnerrp:

no you dont

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wagnerrp:

Teevo: what codecs/options did you use when you made that video, and what is your processor and video card?

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: "Shows one field followed by the other displaced vertically, requires the display to be capable of twice the framerate as the source" sounds like regular analog CRT deinterlacing to me...

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Teevo:

Oh I have no idea... I have a bunch of files.

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wagnerrp:

and... how did you encode them

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Teevo:

They are all different. One plays fine, the others don't. I didn't encode them.

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** iamlindoro checks ammo **

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wagnerrp:

meaning... you acquired them illegally through some random source on the internet?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, tell us.

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: awfully quick to jump to conclusions

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** iamlindoro 's eyes narrow **

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: no, thats the correct conclusion 99% of the time when someone has MKVs that they did not themselves produce

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Teevo:

Lol – I bought a couple of Bluray discs, and I don't have a bluray player yet. I'm jumping the gun by downloading the bluray rip.

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iamlindoro:

Well either you encoded them, in which case you know how you did, or you got them legally in which case you can point us at where to get them and find out ourselves, or the third option, in which case you get no help :)

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wagnerrp:

we cannot help you with playback issues with illegal content

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wagnerrp:

even if you have the actual bluray disk in your posession

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bcgrown:

if he's bought the disks it's not illegal outside the USA, i believe. except in countries that have DMCA-like laws

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Teevo:

Well how about helping me configure MythTV to playback using the mplayer for mkv file types?

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown, It's illegal in this channel, no matter where one lives

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: bob is whats called a field doubler, it takes the one field of data you have, and copies it one pixel up or down depending on whether its upper or lower

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wagnerrp:

that process can causing some content to 'bob' up and down with each frame, hence its name

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

i never noticed that. seemed to be slightly less motion blur with Bob

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wagnerrp:

analog tvs kind-of do something similar, they only display every other line, but the image blends together in our vision producing a full frame

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wagnerrp:

they actually dont do anything, its just an illusion

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bcgrown:

i know

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Teevo:

I have gone to Settings > Video Playback > File Types and changed the default player for mkv files to mplayer but now it doesn't play at all.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, its possible bob could look good with some content

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bcgrown:

funny how we're still adapting to the limitations of the obselete CRT :)

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wagnerrp:

but generally if you can run something that performs an intelligent blend like temporal, it will look better

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wagnerrp:

Teevo: if you want to rip those BR discs, we can help you play that content

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wagnerrp:

but we cannot help you with some arbitrary content you pulled off a torrent site

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bcgrown:

What's the status of BR ripping on linux anyway? Are most discs possible now?

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Teevo:

Why? What's the difference?

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wagnerrp:

decryption needs to be done on windows with anydvd or makemkv, but mythtv can play it from that point on

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wagnerrp:

Teevo: because you did not pay for the right to use that content

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wagnerrp:

and you were not otherwise authorized by the owner of it

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Teevo:

Yes I did, I bought the disk.

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wagnerrp:

yes, you bought the disk, you can do whatever you want with the content on that disk for personal use

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wagnerrp:

you cannot do whatever you want with someone else's copy that you found on the internet

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Teevo:

Yep, so I got someone else to encode it for me. What's the difference?

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dougt:

anyone have any luck with a Zotac zbox?

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wagnerrp:

did they come to your own, rip your disk, and encode it for you?

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iamlindoro:

The difference is that you won't get any help here, and that you are about to get kicked

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wagnerrp:

s/own/home/

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Teevo:

yep.

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Teevo:

All I want to know is some code.

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iamlindoro:

Please feel free to keep it up though, it's been practically days since I kicked anyone

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Teevo:

I think I'm missing the file command that is required by MythTV – I don't really want to debate legalities.

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iamlindoro:

Teevo, we don't want to help you in *any* fashion with illegally obtained content-- even within the context of myth use

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iamlindoro:

so you are probably going to need to seek help elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

My thoughts exactly (Re: Useless)

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sphery:

well, we /know/ there's no way that someone who would steal video content with no intention of ever buying it would /ever/ lie about having purchased the disc, so I'm sure he had the discs, too

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sphery:

after all, lots of people go out, buy BD's of their favorite movies--long before buying a drive/Blu-Ray player

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sphery:

just so they can download illegal copies of movies without feeling guilty

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iamlindoro:

"<Teevo> Oh I have no idea... I have a bunch of files." --> "<Teevo> Lol – I bought a couple of Bluray discs, and I don't have a bluray player yet."

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iamlindoro:

One of these is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong

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sphery:

bunch > couple

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bcgrown:

2010-05–08 14:02:39.913 FilterManager: Failed to load filter 'colorspace', no such filter exists

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sphery:

Usually Google does conversions automatically, but not this time: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source . . . amp;gs_rfai=

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bcgrown:

but it does exist: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstffmpegcolorspace.so

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bcgrown:

unless that's a different one?

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sphery:

bcgrown: if that's a MythTV message, MythTV doesn't use any gstreamer stuff

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bcgrown:

hm

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: most of us dont even know such filters even exist

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wagnerrp:

i hadnt actually heard about them until last week

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sphery:

and in mythtv, you may want vdpaucolorspace

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sphery:

or just remove the whole colorspace thing from your filters

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bcgrown:

what is mythtv complaining about then? i'm just using the default vdpau slim profile and it had that in there

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sphery:

and you have a broken playback profile

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wagnerrp:

if youre using VDPAU, you want to use one of the premade ones

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sphery:

bcgrown: Do the instructions for resetting: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles# . . . ofile_groups

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wagnerrp:

Slim, Normal, or High, depending on your card

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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