Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 10th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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sphery:

bcgrown: your profile groups are corrupt, you should reset them as above

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bcgrown:

how's it corrupt? i didn't change it. unless the settings are retained in the database and got jumbled

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sphery:

just trust me, it's corrupt

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sphery:

how is unimportant

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sphery:

it's a long story and not worth retelling :)

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sphery:

I will say it's not your fault, though

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bcgrown:

haha

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bcgrown:

is there still an equivalent of the crop filter? it didn't seem to work when i tried

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bcgrown:

sometimes i get a couple pixels of garbage on the edge of my frame

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bcgrown:

s/pixels/lines

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sphery:

don't know if that works with vdpau

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iamlindoro:

rather than using a crop filter, just overscan playback by 1 or 2 percent

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iamlindoro:

that will work with all decoders, be less costly, and fill your screen

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

yeah

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bcgrown:

except for the auto-zoom doesn't work because of those lines. i.e. when a program is broadcast letterboxed

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iamlindoro:

auto-zoom doesn't work with VDPAU at all

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bcgrown:

that explains why it hasn't been working...

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bcgrown:

:(

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dougt:

what happened to the custom filters for vdpau in the front end? Have the moved from Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback

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bcgrown:

no they're still there

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iamlindoro:

nope, still same place they've always been

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wagnerrp:

do custom filters even work in vdpau?

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iamlindoro:

the vdpau ones do

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wagnerrp:

oh

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iamlindoro:

ie, the filters prefixed with "vdpau"

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iamlindoro:

but only those

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iamlindoro:

in theory you could do software decode and vdpau render, but that would defeat the purpose for most people

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bcgrown:

too bad. i was excited to watch inverted hockey

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dougt:

i don't see it. I am using svn truck.

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iamlindoro:

you should switch from truck to trunk, I bet it's there ;)

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dougt:

heh.

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dougt:

yeah, i am on trunk. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Second page when editing a playback profile, nothing has moved in years

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iamlindoro:

filters are still set there

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bcgrown:

dougt: s/on t/d ?

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bcgrown:

is Picture-Beside-Picture gone in 0.23, or maybe just in VDPAU?

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wagnerrp:

which one of the ubuntu guys wrote their theme?

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iamlindoro:

gbutters,

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iamlindoro:

minus the comma

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iamlindoro:

I already prompted him on the ticket in -theming, though

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wagnerrp:

ah, so you have... was wondering why an hour later you hadnt yet closed it

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bcgrown is now known as bcgrown-afk

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown-afk, PBP is not supported by VDPAU, but is still invoked the same way as ever

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iamlindoro:

(by hitting the TOGGLEPBP binding)

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bcgrown-afk:

it doesn't show up in my menu. would it just use software rendering then if started it with the TOGGLEPBP binding

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bcgrown-afk:

?

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bcgrown-afk:

not that PBP or PIP are much use, they're just fun to show off sometimes

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't show up in the menu

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iamlindoro:

it's invoked through the binding

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iamlindoro:

and you need to be using softwware decode and display to use it

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iamlindoro:

meaning not VDPAU

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bcgrown-afk:

ah

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bcgrown-afk:

it used to show up in the menu... 0.22+sw rendering

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iamlindoro:

so use software rendering

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bcgrown-afk:

you overestimate the amount that i care about pip/pbp :)

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sulx:

how come PiP works in my 0.23 setup with vdpau?

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bcgrown-afk:

sulx: pip does, pbp doesn't

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sulx:

or is pbp different thing

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wagnerrp:

eek! hes typing telekinetically!

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sulx:

right

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bcgrown-afk:

wagnerrp: this bluetooth interface to my brain has come in really handy

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bcgrown-afk:

but i have to disconnect for now!

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** iamlindoro really, really hates it when people change nick for status **

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wagnerrp:

would the bindings be considered 'mythtv' or 'plugins'?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv IMO

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wagnerrp:

chris listed himself under plugins with the perl bindings

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wagnerrp:

meh... doesnt really make any difference

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** wagnerrp prods sphery to join in the fun **

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iamlindoro:

probably worth removing the artificial distinction anway

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iamlindoro:

anyway

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iamlindoro:

I say remove the two headings

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iamlindoro:

especially as many/most of us work on both and having two entires would be wrong

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iamlindoro:

entries

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wagnerrp:

the 'other major contributers' are ones without commit access?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

im also going to move anyone with no commits in... one year? to the inactive roster

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wagnerrp:

bah

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wagnerrp:

you edited it, and theres conflicting edits

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iamlindoro:

Just override mine, I'll re-edit

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wagnerrp:

no need

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wagnerrp:

would this be better in a table? it just looks messy as it is

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iamlindoro:

Probably would, but I doubt anyone looks at it much

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dougt:

this zbox has been quite a time sink.

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dougt:

not sure it is possible to run a myth fe on it.

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bcgrown-away:

are there any plans in the far future to include tivo-like recommendations in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

requests? sure... plans? not so much

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bcgrown-away:

so there is some demand for it? i obviously don't know much about how mythtv works, but it seems like it wouldn't be overly complicated to interface with one of the existing recommendation sites assuming their TOS allowed it

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wagnerrp:

got any examples?

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bcgrown-away:

of sites?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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bcgrown-away:

there was a couple posted on reddit a while back, i'll see if i can find them

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bcgrown-away:

http://lab.rolisoft.net/tv/

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wagnerrp:

if sites exist that we could interface with, it might be a day or two of hacking to put together a script to do so

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wagnerrp:

maybe a week with someone who knows the UI to make a full (but basic) plugin

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bcgrown-away:

that's the one site, i have no idea if it's set up for that sort of thing

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wagnerrp:

looks promising

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bcgrown-away:

here's another: http://www.jinni.com/

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wagnerrp:

they even have an API

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bcgrown-away:

i'm always going through the listings and thinking about how great it would be if myth could just learn what i like and record that

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bcgrown-away:

mixing the gf's choices and mine would really confuse it though! ha

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wagnerrp:

looks like the second would would violate the 'Use Restrictions' clause of their TOS, subsection 2

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wagnerrp:

you could set up separate recording groups for your, her, and shared content

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wagnerrp:

then just map against yours and the shared

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[R]:

yours and hers mythtv

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[R]:

i think you have an idea there

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bcgrown-away:

i read someone's comment once that said he sets a recording group for his wife's soaps and changes the playback speed to 1.3x so she gets through them faster. joking i think, but pretty funny

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bcgrown:

i'd be willing to help with a recommendation script, but i don't know how much i can do

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bcgrown:

i am learning C. kinda familiar with Bash

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bcgrown:

C++ scares me

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: for that first site, i could probably whip together something in a couple hours

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wagnerrp:

sites that provide APIs are great

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[R]:

is there any gotchas with pvr 150's on ebay? or are all they are supported?

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wagnerrp:

should all be supported

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: where do i send the caffeine pills to get it started?

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[R]:

what analog/digital cards are supported?

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ver:

[R], i'm using pvr150s, and they're the most reliable and fiddle-free cards i've used.

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ver:

one is a kworld brand, the other is i believe geniatech

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bcgrown:

[R]: seconded. i'm using the pvr-usb2, which is a usb-connected pvr150

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[R]:

i said digital

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[R]:

150 is analog only

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ver:

pvr250 or higher

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wagnerrp:

the only card to use for digital and analog is the HVR-1600

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ver:

you mean ATSC?

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[R]:

thats the impression i was getting from ivtv and linuxtv, tahnks wagnerrp

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[R]:

what about usb atsc tuners

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[R]:

from talk in here... it seems like most are crap

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wagnerrp:

HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

(for digital and analog)

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wagnerrp:

those limitations are simply because i cannot recommend anything other than an IVTV card for analog

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[R]:

what about digital only

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bcgrown:

hvr-1950's analog tuner isn't supported, is it?

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wagnerrp:

im sure theres plenty... not aware of any particular ones off hand

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wagnerrp:

the 1950 shows up as a pvr-usb2

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

i must be thinking of the 2250

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wagnerrp:

correct, no linux analog support for the 2250

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wagnerrp:

but thats a pcie device, not usb

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bcgrown:

i think it's bedtime :)

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ver:

HVR950Q still doesn't have atsc support on linux does it?

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wagnerrp:

the 950 isnt good for anything else

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wagnerrp:

its a framegrabber, dont want it for analog

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ver:

works fine on analogue

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[R]:

my dad was like 'i would never record two things at once'

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[R]:

then i tried to explain to him how much my mom would complain if she wanted to record something and he wanted to watch the stupid news

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ver:

i hate your dad so much.

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[R]:

lol

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ver:

nah i had to explain the same thing to my mother in law

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ver:

i made them a mythtv box as a gift last yearish and at the time i got a reaction of a regifted stinky cod, but the next day they couldn't shutup about it, heh

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justinh:

stupid news? tell them not to watch Fox, then :D

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justinh:

heh according to the wiki I've never contributed a bean to mythtv. I CBA to correct that since that isn't going to change anytime soon

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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Dibblah:

Where?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythDevelopers

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justinh:

no need to edit it. I'm happy either way. Just think it's funny

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Dibblah:

5 more months and Chutt goes onto the inactive list. Heh.

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justinh:

well that was frustrating. trying to install CPLD programming software from xilinx – they really seem not to trust anybody

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justinh:

register this, enter all these details, then trudge through a very slow install process. they should be taken out

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TheFrozenSnow:

hmm guess its to early, any one here?

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TheFrozenSnow:

hi

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justinh:

people are here. folk generally don't respond to non-questions though

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TheFrozenSnow:

ic,

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justinh:

so if you have a question related to mythtv, just ask. don't ask to ask :)

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TheFrozenSnow:

its relateing to schedules direct qam andosd schedule but im just thinking of the best way to word it to make since lol

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justinh:

osd schedule?

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oobe:

just a quick question if schloompy was a real word what would it mean?

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justinh:

it would mean I'm in the wrong channel & should quit

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

see theres a word for everything

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TheFrozenSnow:

im trying to add xmltv id's to channels that are from a different source, bcast to digital. in frontend the schedules are not updated to reflect the id of the channel i want it to show

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TheFrozenSnow:

is there more that needs to be adjusted

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justinh:

ruh? you've got more than one '

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justinh:

er.. more than one 'video source' ?

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TheFrozenSnow:

yes

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justinh:

so you should set up a new lineup on SD & use that

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justinh:

you can't mix lineups between video sources

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TheFrozenSnow:

yeah thats the issue

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TheFrozenSnow:

SD doesnt have the line up to reflect the tha channels i have all in 1 source

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justinh:

e.g. if you had OTA & cable, you'd need to set up them both on SD

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TheFrozenSnow:

the cable company added ota and cable to there digital source the info is there but in different lineups

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justinh:

different lineups need different video sources. different video sources need different SD lineups

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justinh:

AFAIK you can set that up easily with SD

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TheFrozenSnow:

your saying i need to set each digital card to a different lineup then?

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TheFrozenSnow:

as in 1 card has cable 1 has ota and 1 with digital

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, Thats what I did.....I have 2 tuners, I set one for analog and one for digital in SD, so each time it pulls listings from SD I get both of them populated, then I made a change in the front end so everything was all one big listing in the guide

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TheFrozenSnow:

ok, this is the problem with that for me. the channels added are listed as ex. channel 45 shows as 45_5 on digital side which they dont have any info on at SD

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dewman:

so go make a listing for digital on sd, modify the channels that you know you wont get, then go back into the backend setup, delete all your video sources and re-add. I messed with this on my system for days trying to get this right.... =)

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TheFrozenSnow:

hmm, i guess im translateing the problem wrong, so lets see if this helps. if i created an imaginery channel say 98888 and i want to have this channel show the info for a channnel that exists say channel 2, how would i go about doing this.

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, You know....I am not sure how you would do that.

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dewman:

wait,

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dewman:

as long as that channel exists IE you have a xmltvid then you should be able to create the channel call it chan two then map that channel with the xmltvid

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dewman:

maybe?

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TheFrozenSnow:

i tried to add the xmltv id to the channel and that doesnt work, it ignores that data for some reason

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TheFrozenSnow:

like theres more that needs to be changed to make it work right

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dewman:

yeah I am not sure then. You might have to wait until one of the ops show up...

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TheFrozenSnow:

the real problem is its difficult to explane in words lol

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dewman:

I have a pretty stock setup, the wife wont let me make changes that could break the system... =)

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TheFrozenSnow:

yeah if the wife doesnt have american idol to watch im dead meat

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dewman:

lol

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dewman:

I hear ya...

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TheFrozenSnow:

Random quetion, did they make a hulu plugin yet?

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TheFrozenSnow:

i see a bunch of old hacks but nothing official

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, I am not sure, tried it once standalone and didnt really care for it.

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TheFrozenSnow:

thanks for trying to help dewman :)

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dewman:

TheFrozenSnow, Your welcome. Sorry I wasnt much help.... =)

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Nidhoegger:

hi, i try to watch DVB-T television. mythtv-setup finds all channels, i run mythfilldatabase after it. now when i try to watch in the frontend, nothing happens. i started through command line and saw: "failed to get pginfo"

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Nidhoegger:

what can that be?

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TheFrozenSnow:

im just guessing at best, but when you start watch tv does it crash?

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Nidhoegger:

no

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Nidhoegger:

it shows "please wait..." for about 5 sec and returns to the main menu

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Nidhoegger:

i created a log of mythtv-setup: http://dpaste.com/192766 one of mythfilldatabase: http://dpaste.com/192768 and one of mythfrontend when starting tv: http://dpaste.com/192769

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Nidhoegger:

hope that this gives more info and sb could helf me

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TheFrozenSnow:

sounds like the setup needs adjusted again

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Nidhoegger:

ive deleted all video cards and readded and rescanned all channels

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TheFrozenSnow:

ill take a look quick

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Nidhoegger:

thank you!

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Nidhoegger:

an idea of mine: can i drop the database mythconverg, delete the .mythtv folder and start over with all settings? would that help?

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iamlindoro:

You pastebinned every log but the relevant one-- mythbackend

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TheFrozenSnow:

it looks like you dont have anywhere to record the tv at

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iamlindoro:

You have misconfigured something on the backend and the backend log will tell you what

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Nidhoegger:

iamlindoro, where will i find it?

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iamlindoro:

wherever you set it up to log, or wherever your packager decided to put it

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iamlindoro:

I'll randomly guess you're using ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

in which case /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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iamlindoro:

Want to see a log from backend startup through an attempt to use TV, not just the last 100 lines

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iamlindoro:

meaning you should truncate the log, restart the backend, try to play TV, and then pastebin the whole thing

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Nidhoegger:

http://dpaste.com/192775

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Nidhoegger:

more than 100 lines i couldnt post

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TheFrozenSnow:

storage directories possibly not set up

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that is probable, that or a permissions problem

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iamlindoro:

but you need to paste more than that to know for sure

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iamlindoro:

use mythtv.pastebin.com

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iamlindoro:

Though at this point TheFrozenSnow is probably correct, either the your storage groups are not set up, or the backend user does not have permissions to write to them

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Nidhoegger:

i stopped the backend now, deleted the log, started the backend and tryed to watch tv. heres the complete log: http://dpaste.com/192778/

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Nidhoegger:

i use btw 0.22

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iamlindoro:

2010-05–10 15:29:25.231 SG(Default) Error: Group 'Default' wants to use directory '/home/user/mythtv/', but this directory is not writeable.

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iamlindoro:

Curse these plain english error messages

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TheFrozenSnow:

chmod it

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iamlindoro:

so either that directory does not exist, or the backend user has no permissions to write to ti

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iamlindoro:

/home/user sounds wrong

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iamlindoro:

sure you don't mean /home/mythtv/ ?

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Nidhoegger:

i use mythtv as user "user"

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Nidhoegger:

cause gentoo messes a bit around with the mythtv user.

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Nidhoegger:

can i somehow change the backend user completely to user?

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iamlindoro:

You could, or you could give whatever user you have running the backend permissions to write to that dir

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iamlindoro:

Personally, I would just chmod it or put your recordings somewhere more universally accessible

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TheFrozenSnow:

are you familiar with chmod?

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Nidhoegger:

the user that is running mythfrontend has write permissions, but the backend runs as mythtv i guess (at least if i lsof the dvbt device its used by user mythtv)

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Nidhoegger:

TheFrozenSnow, yes

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iamlindoro:

Nidhoegger, The backend does the writing, so that's what need permissions to write to the directory

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Nidhoegger:

can i change the user so that the backend is running as "user"?

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iamlindoro:

You can, though you are just as likely to exchange one set of configuration issues for another

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TheFrozenSnow:

mysql issues but yes

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iamlindoro:

BTW, "user" is a horrible user name

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Nidhoegger:

iamlindoro, i know ;) but im not very creative

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iamlindoro:

anyway, yes, you can, you just need to edit your init script-- but I advise against it as you don't seem very familiar with all this

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iamlindoro:

you are very likely just to cause more misconfigurations, whereas you can simply fix your permissions on the dir and be working

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Nidhoegger:

i now added a group called mythtv and gave the group full permissions to /home/user/mythtv and added the user "mythtv" to that group

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iamlindoro:

You said you're familiar with chmod, so you're exactly one command line away from a working myth system, why are we still talking about it?

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Nidhoegger:

i think that should do

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iamlindoro:

restart the backend and find out

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Nidhoegger:

not working

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iamlindoro:

pastebin backend logs

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you didn't modify permissions properly

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Nidhoegger:

i now chmodded it 777. working

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Nidhoegger:

thank you!

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Nidhoegger:

and while were at tv: i habe a hybrid TV Tuner with analog and DVB-T. DVB-T is working in mythtv, in analog, i cant scan for channels

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Nidhoegger:

i got the card working in tvtime, how can i get it working in mythtv?

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Nidhoegger:

the analog part is reckognized as /dev/video0 (v4l), the DVB-T has another device name

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TheFrozenSnow:

maybe ill try my question again lol. if i make an imaginary channel up say 888888 and add the xmltv id to a known channel to it, what else needs to be done so the front end displayes the lineup info for that xmltv id

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TheFrozenSnow:

oh you have to set up you analog card in the dvb card since its 1 card basicly

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TheFrozenSnow:

ill rephrase that lol, in the card selection for your dvb card you need to add to it the analog card with in in its setup

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Nidhoegger:

so instead of /dev/video0 ill write /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 ?

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TheFrozenSnow:

actually yes but in reverse

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Nidhoegger:

so i need to set /dev/video0 for the dvb-t card?

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TheFrozenSnow:

wait, is this 1 card doing both analog and digital

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Nidhoegger:

its a hybrid tuner for analog and dvb-t

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Nidhoegger:

Medion saa7134

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** sphery loves how Google's Web History is an opt-out service... **

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TheFrozenSnow:

then yes setup the digital side first then add the analog to it

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Nidhoegger:

okay, so ill set /dev/dvb..... as the analog device! thank you!

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sphery:

Therefore, to tell Google not to display things they think I might want to see based on my search history, I have to have a cookie from Google--which allows them to better know my history

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Nidhoegger:

i will come over to you and give you a hug if that does the job, im trying now since a week to get this piece of **** to work

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TheFrozenSnow:

sounds like a MS issue lol

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user__:

it say it cant open dthe device, when i say instead /dev/video0 i can switch between inputs (tv, composite and svideo)

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Nidhoegger001:

but i dont understand why the scan button still is greyed out

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sphery:

what version of MythTV?

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TheFrozenSnow:

what card is it?

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sphery:

analog scanning doesn't work in 0.22, so if you need to do analog scanning (meaning you are /not/ in the US), you should upgrade to 0.23-fixes

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TheFrozenSnow:

yep

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sphery:

If in the US, you don't do analog scanning (but based on your description of the capture card, I'm assuming you're not in the US)

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wagnerrp:

is mythweb's 'percent of time spent recording' hosed?

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wagnerrp:

i should have some 8–10%, but i have 0, same with someone's recent post on the mailing list

[11:03:01]

wagnerrp:

does recording priority have any effect on autoexpiration order?

[11:03:57]

janneg:

wagnerrp: depends of course on a setting, default is iirc just time

[11:04:45]

wagnerrp:

janneg: ah, would have to make sure to check for that

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wagnerrp:

one of the users pointed me at http://lab.rolisoft.net/tv/ yesterday

[11:05:48]

wagnerrp:

i got an API key this morning, and im looking into whipping up a proof-of-concept script to send in a list of shows, and get back a list of recommendations

[11:05:55]

janneg:

and the percent of time spent recording is here too 0%

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wagnerrp:

ideally to automatically set to record at -10 or so

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wagnerrp:

i was a bit concerned about the 1000 request per day per API key

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wagnerrp:

was expecting to have to set up some web application on services to proxy requests

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wagnerrp:

but apparently we can just ignore it

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wagnerrp:

maybe its divided by the number of recorders you have?

[11:11:55]

janneg:

wagnerrp: 'Percent of time spent recording' is 'correct' for me, it's diveded by the number of tuners which is a large number for me

[11:12:01]

wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

so its meant to be a duty load on the tuners themselves

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janneg:

seems so, not that is a meaningful number with multirec

[11:16:48]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just thought that

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janneg:

but computing the time spent recording without counting multiple recordings twice... is probably to complicated to be worth the effort

[11:17:51]

janneg:

+o

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sphery:

wagnerrp: It was broken with the fix for http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5262 to appease users--they wanted the broken approach.

[11:19:53]

sphery:

not that trac is accessible right now, but... :)

[11:20:07]

iamlindoro:

blame me!

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iamlindoro:

Also, blame RDV_Linux

[11:20:20]

wagnerrp:

janneg: nah, you could just pull distinct videodevice/hostname from capturecard

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sphery:

iamlindoro: quit killing trac

[11:20:43]

wagnerrp:

track killed by a few hundred kb of scripts?

[11:20:50]

sphery:

it finally came up--but it took forever

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janneg:

wagnerrp: still misleading in the case of multirec

[11:21:31]

wagnerrp:

janneg: well its a misleading value regardless if you have ever added or removed tuners from your system

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sphery:

yeah, and really the original approach is better

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'm still trying to figure it out, but I think it doesn't like commits of many files, or it may be binary commits

[11:21:39]

iamlindoro:

since translations tend to kill it too

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sphery:

as the original is more meaningful (even if not that meaninful)

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sphery:

note, also, the reporter :)

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sphery:

s/reporter/squeaky wheel/

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wagnerrp:

screw udo, it /should/ be 284%

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sphery:

I agree

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sphery:

I was upset that kormoc had to cave in to popular demand

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sphery:

er, maybe not even popular so much as "vocal"

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sphery:

I'm sure we could convince kormoc to let us revert that change :)

[11:23:50]

sphery:

on the grounds of, "The original approach is more meaningful--especially in multirec configurations"

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wagnerrp:

i mean who really cares how much the backend load is

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** iamlindoro senses a retarded ticket coming out of this **

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sphery:

though udo was complaining about the multirec

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wagnerrp:

that value should be more indicative of how much time YOU have to spend WATCHING all that recorded content

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sphery:

that ticket /was/ 5262

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sphery:

he complained until we broke something so he wouldn't be offended by 284%

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sphery:

wagnerrp: completely agreed

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wagnerrp:

if you record 3 channels all-the-time, they you have a value indicative of just how ridiculous that is

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sphery:

iamlindoro, the MythTV releases midwife

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sphery:

wagnerrp: next time we see kormoc, we'll have to pounce to request permission to revert

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iamlindoro:

ugliest midwife ever

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sphery:

now that I know I'm not the only one

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sphery:

iamlindoro: didn't you guest star on The Practice?

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sphery:

sorry that they're likely cancelling it

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sphery:

(sorry for you--not for me :)

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iamlindoro:

ha

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I can tell you for sure he won't change the definition of Live TV: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288440.html

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sphery:

"When LiveTV is all there is, most of the time?"

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johnnyj:

so the frontend mythvideo playback of ts_video folders as dvd's when properly mounted over nfs (or otherwise) is pretty slick

[11:47:11]

johnnyj:

thank you thank you

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sphery:

j-rod: be careful, you'll end up with lungs like this: http://whyquit.com/joel/cancer.jpg (from http://whyquit.com/joel/Joel_02_17_smoke_in_lung.html )

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j-rod:

I suddenly have a craving for beef jerkey

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

how can he possibly call that livetv if hes not watching it?

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johnnyj:

blech – so glad I quite smoking – like 19 months ago

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you mean he doesn't watch 7 channels of Live TV simultaneously?

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wagnerrp:

does he actually have three frontends running, actively using livetv?

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wagnerrp:

if not, how can he possibly call that livetv

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i dare say you have more code in the repository than most devs with commit access

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I sure hope most of it is documentation ;)

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wagnerrp:

suggestions for the name of this tool for recording recommendations?

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iamlindoro:

Anything but Myth*

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iamlindoro:

by which I mean, I hate myth prefixes and wish I could rename everything :)

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wagnerrp:

like... mythnetvision?

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iamlindoro:

Yep, wish I had broken the mold with that

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: are you writing a recommendation engine?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

im using one found at http://lab.rolisoft.net/tv/

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skd5aner:

meaning, you are using the service to integrate recommendation function within myth?

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wagnerrp:

well... external script for the moment

[12:19:06]

wagnerrp:

more of a proof of concept to see how it works

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skd5aner:

I see... interesting

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wagnerrp:

iron out the details before trying to write a full plugin

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GreyFoxx:

5~

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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skd5aner:

have you talked with the developer, RoliSoft, about the potential for myth to be a consumer of the service? Just reading thorugh the about page now

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skd5aner:

API limitations and such

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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skd5aner:

If your POC is successful, and it eventually takes that next step, I'm that mythtv could send a lot of traffic thier way

[12:22:25]

skd5aner:

just wasn't sure if you had any conversations with the folks who run the service or not – just curious

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wagnerrp:

i emailed him last night, got a reply this morning with an API key and notice that the 1000-query limit wouldnt apply to us

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skd5aner:

ah, cool – yea, exactly what I was wondering

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wagnerrp:

i guess the assumption is that were not providing a service using his API, were having our users access his service directly

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wagnerrp:

having his name associated with a major project would bring more attention to it than our use could harm

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skd5aner:

mythopine ;)

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wagnerrp:

opine?

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skd5aner:

"To state as an opinion"

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skd5aner:

"suggest" or "recommend" sounds too basic ;)

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Shadow_U:

myth-suggest would be closer

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wagnerrp:

technically, this wouldnt be recommending anything

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skd5aner:

what would be the output/use case then?

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wagnerrp:

it would add recording rules to automatically pull in shows you might light

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wagnerrp:

like

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skd5aner:

I would have figured that'd be called a "suggestion" or "recommendation" engine, per other commercial DVR methods of doing similiar things

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wagnerrp:

i should call it something like 'coercion'

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skd5aner:

You like gunsmoke and bonanza, so here's another western you might like, I'll go ahead and record it for you... right?

[12:32:43]

wagnerrp:

basically, same thing tivo has done for years

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skd5aner:

yup, that's what I was thinking of too

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skd5aner:

mythdiscover

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wagnerrp:

no, i like just 'coercion'

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** cesman recalls such a thing existed years back **

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wagnerrp:

cesman: yeah, there have been a number of failed attempts over the years

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cesman:

here it is... http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/suggest.html

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wagnerrp:

and a handful of requests for similar things on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

but all of them ran off their own recommendation engine

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wagnerrp:

or something collaborative between users

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wagnerrp:

or simply pulled a list of recommended recordings off some guy's blog

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wagnerrp:

thats the /hard/ part

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skd5aner:

hehe coercion would be kinda funny

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wagnerrp:

using someone else's system, and just writing a plugin around it is comparatively easy

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skd5aner:

coercion – use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.

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skd5aner:

haha – YOU WILL WATCH THIS!

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wagnerrp:

well thats what its doing, its forcing shows onto your recording queue

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dougt:

in the python binding, a recording filename is something like:

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dougt:

print r.filename

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dougt:

myth://192.168.1.100:6543/1736_20100320113500.mpg

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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dougt:

is there a way to go from that myth url, to a file path?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23? not exactly

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dougt:

wagnerrp: i am on trunk.

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wagnerrp:

you can 'ftopen(r.filename)' to get a file object for it

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, ive got a 'findfile(file, sgroup)'

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dougt:

wagnerrp: do you have a wiki doc for the new features?

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wagnerrp:

so you would do findfile(1736_20100320113500, 'Default'), and it would return the storage group entry that contains it

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.com/wiki/Python_bindings/Upcoming

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wagnerrp:

although that one isnt listed there

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** dougt drools... **

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dougt:

wagnerrp: i think you might want to have an attribute on the recording object that just hands you back "1736_20100320113500" so that you can use it directly with findfile.

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dougt:

(or is there a better way)

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wagnerrp:

well it returns the storage group that contains the file

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dougt:

r.storagegroup == default

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wagnerrp:

so you can just do fname='1736_20100320113500.mpg'; findfile(fname, 'Default').dirname+fname

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wagnerrp:

sorry for the delay, wireless kicked out

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wagnerrp:

also if you want, ive got a regex in ftopen for parsing out that URI

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wagnerrp:

its myth://[group@]<hostname>[:port]/path/to/file

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dougt:

yeah.. figuring we could make it easier for the user of the binding.

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wagnerrp:

huh... apparently at some point i recorded Zombie Strippers

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall watching that

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dougt:

you might be better off.... as a human being... for not watching that.

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dougt:

:P

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sphery:

yay, lzlib went 1.0 final, so now maybe lzip and plzip can finally replace xz

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sphery:

(plzip being a "massively-parallel" version of lzip)

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** sphery wonders how long he should wait before committing a change to DB schema **

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iamlindoro:

sphery: There are numerous changes to the schema already, go for it

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sphery:

yeah, this would be the first for TV schema

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sphery:

but I probably will do it

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iamlindoro:

doooo ittttt

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janneg:

I would wait a couple of days

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iamlindoro:

Or that ;)

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dougt:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.org/218349

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iamlindoro:

Udo,

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iamlindoro:

What you describe is like naming your Dog "Pussy-Cat" then expecting

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iamlindoro:

it to stop chasing sticks and start using a litter box.

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

best

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iamlindoro:

line

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iamlindoro:

ever

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iamlindoro:

I'm going to print that and put it up on the wall of my office

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tzanger:

iamlindoro: what's that from?

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iamlindoro:

The users list

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trumee:

anybody running mythtv with a touchscreen?

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trumee:

i have a joggler (atom N270) and would love to try mythtv on it

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trumee:

atm i am playing mythtv recordings via upnp

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trumee:

seems not, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2010-March/067993.html

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Jay2k1:

hi, i have a new dvb-c card (KNC ONE) and i'm trying to set it up. however, when doing a channel scan, i get 0% signal strength and 0% SNR

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Jay2k1:

so first i'd like to check if the card is broken, but i can't seem to find a transponder list for my cable provider

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wagnerrp:

dougt: whoops

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dougt:

wagnerrp: :-)

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dougt:

wagnerrp: do you want a patch for that, or is that something you will fix up?

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wagnerrp:

patch for what?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: were you going to make a patch for mythburn.py to remove the end-of-list comma? another user is saying that may not be the problem and the end result may be unplayable, so it would be useful to have something to test

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wagnerrp:

sphery: have they tested http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . _comma.patch ?

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wagnerrp:

remember when i asked whether 10 minutes was quick enough for 'cranking out a patch in a couple minutes'

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sphery:

oh, I didn't notice because there was no e-mail notification

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sphery:

sorry... I should have looked more closely

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sphery:

there, I added a comment requesting info

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iamlindoro:

trac spammer

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sphery:

I was thinking you meant, "I'll have the patch for you in 10mins," and then you got busy with other stuff.

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wagnerrp:

dougt: the first traceback listed there, ive already fixed

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wagnerrp:

the second traceback, thats the wrong line number

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wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

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dan__t:

Got my IR blasters today.

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dan__t:

So it dawned on me this morning that my cableco provides cable cards

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dan__t:

So I guess the next logical question is, are there any cablecard adapters that work well?

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iamlindoro:

you can't use cablecard at all

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iamlindoro:

no drivers in linux, never will be, and will never have myth support

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iamlindoro:

You can only use cablecard in windows, and only with Windows own DVR software

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dan__t:

oh ok.

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wagnerrp:

i thought they had some API that third party programs could hook into for playback

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dan__t:

So I really do need to get an HD PVR

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: For copy-free

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sphery:

that will work

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sphery:

or you can use PVR-150 or PVR-500 or HVR-1600\

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sphery:

(but standard def)

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dan__t:

Yeah, I want HD.

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johnnyj:

HDPVR is well worth it – IMO

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dan__t:

I've done my homework heh.

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wagnerrp:

oh, i thought WMC would handle all playback, and the programs were basically just providing their own UI

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dan__t:

So how does MythTV "see" an HDPVR? What kind of device does it show up as?

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sphery:

not getting cable, using OTA only, and buying those cable-only shows you want to watch on DVD is worth it – IMO :)

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sphery:

How can you change the industry if you won't refuse to pay them?

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johnnyj:

dan__t : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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johnnyj:

sphery: i can't stand hard copy

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dan__t:

Oh, like a generic h.264 capture card

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sphery:

hard copy?

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dan__t:

ok, well, I'll get an hd pvr then.

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dan__t:

composite a/v is still analog, right?

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johnnyj:

sphery: physical disks

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johnnyj:

plus the copy protection that makes it hard to play those disks in linux is really a deterrent to buying them

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johnnyj:

at my house – I just wait for them to come on and record em

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johnnyj:

dan__t: composite a/v is analog, yes

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skd5aner:

trumee: if you're still around, someone has gotten mythfrontend to run on a joggler – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwjPRBAFrU

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dan__t:

thank you.

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skd5aner:

trumee: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010-04-30 – look through there for posts by Azelphur, he talks about getting the gesture support to work on the O2 Joggler, for myth

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sphery:

johnnyj: ah, for the watch & delete kind, like me, you can always watch and dispose :)

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sphery:

and set-top players work fine for playback :)

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johnnyj:

sphery: i actually kept all of the caprica season1 and our house sitter was quite pleased to discover it

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sphery:

but, hey, I'm willing to jump through hoops so that I don't have to send money to my local cable co

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sphery:

and I fully admit I /am/ jumping through hoops

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sphery:

caprica is on my list of things to buy

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johnnyj:

BWAHAHAHAHA

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johnnyj:

my HDPVR made my collection for me

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johnnyj:

and I didn't need libdvdcss or handbreak to watch it

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iamlindoro:

Unfortunately, you are now on the hook to the MPEG-LA for license fees and back payments/penalties

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iamlindoro:

We at the MPEG-LA will enjoy your house, it looks very nice

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johnnyj:

of course syfy runs their stupid graphics at the bottom of it – advertising ghost hunters – will thaty show ever die?

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dan__t:

Good luck with that.

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skd5aner:

come 2015

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iamlindoro:

you wish come 2015

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skd5aner:

thought they announced no licensing fees until they re-evaluate the next go around in 2015?

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skd5aner:

not to say they couldn't be total jerks and apply them retroactively at that time

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iamlindoro:

They announced lots of things, but let me be the first to assure you that they are not abiding by that

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sphery:

skd5aner: only for web video distribution

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: not to matter... h265/mpeg7 should be out by then

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skd5aner:

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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sphery:

not for encoding or decoding

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skd5aner:

web only, I see

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sphery:

MPEG-7 is just metadata, silly

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skd5aner:

heh – h265...

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wagnerrp:

oh? well h265 is still stated for completed draft in 2012

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wagnerrp:

with double the compression efficiency of h264

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sphery:

so, based on the ones I've heard of--MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, MPEG-7--we can posit that the next may be MPEG-13.

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sphery:

that is, if they are actually using the pattern in the series that I've noticed

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skd5aner:

why do people say that h.264 is an "open standard"? I've seen that far too recently lately in articles around the html5/flash debates

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iamlindoro:

The standard itself is open-- anyone can get a copy of the spec

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sphery:

I agree it's open

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johnnyj:

did anyone read where apple said they didnt like flash b/c they wanted an open platform – like Apple's so open and briezy?

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sphery:

it's proprietary

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sphery:

it's not Free

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iamlindoro:

It's just that implementing it requires payment to the relevant bodies

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sphery:

it's not free

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skd5aner:

I see...

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sphery:

skd5aner: see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07/apple . . . _reg_reader/

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sphery:

skd5aner: oops, I mean: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/steve . . . eora_attack/

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AndyCap:

johnnyj: iirc someone said you could substitute apple for adobe in the notes from appel. :P

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sphery:

but, yeah, it all depends on what you mean by open

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johnnyj:

AndyCap: for real

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johnnyj:

i read an article on it using myth news

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iamlindoro:

This "show me your pen^H^H^H stats" thread is getting old

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AndyCap:

moar vWang.

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sphery:

I have written 1023 characters with my pen (I type most everything, anymore)

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sphery:

or did you mean some other pen stats?

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iamlindoro:

show us your statties

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AndyCap:

sphery: yes, your wiretap statistics

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sphery:

the part that's getting old for me is the people saying, "we need more stats for total amount played/watched/in <random recgroup>/of storage used in all of history (even after deleting the recorded entry, which is the only place with filesize)/..."

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iamlindoro:

sphery: the use of the word "need" is the obnoxious part

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AndyCap:

who needs this?

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iamlindoro:

If you want such granular stat tracking, don't make us monitor it, there are tons and tons of linux tools for monitoring that kind of thing

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** AndyCap goes looking for the mailthread **

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skd5aner:

sphery: thx, yea reading both of them now

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trumee:

skd5aner: thanks for the joggler link

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sphery:

the 2nd was interesting because another person made the same argument (using the same meaning for open)

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sphery:

it's a valid point, but the opposite is also valid

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johnnyj:

AndyCap: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/10093314.stm

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johnnyj:

that's the one

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skd5aner:

trumee: np, was hoping you catch it :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, that's the worst part

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, it's all semantics

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trumee:

skd5aner: just ordered a fat usb stick for joggler

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iamlindoro:

You know, some people just make me want to punch them in the face with the entitled stuff

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trumee:

love to have myth running in the kitchen.

[15:29:17]

skd5aner:

trumee: someone mentioned that there's a USB adapter that basically is just slightly bigger than the port that takes a micro (I think) SD card, so it could stay fairly hidden

[15:29:36]

iamlindoro:

As though every decision made in Myth development was an affront to them, and every time their voice isn't heeded, you are somehow violating an employment contract

[15:29:38]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: link?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/ :P

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skd5aner:

heh

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skd5aner:

There's too many reasons I don't hang out there...

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iamlindoro:

It's just frustrating because there are probably one or two dozen non-devs who it is genuinely fun to work with on Myth stuff, even if they're not able to contribute (and many at least try) and 10 trillion absolute dickwads

[15:30:51]

skd5aner:

I'll just take your word for it, doesn't sound too shocking

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GreyFoxx:

Who is being a toad this time ? :)

[15:32:37]

GreyFoxx:

I delete 99% of all -users email unread :)

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skd5aner:

trumee: yup, one in the kitchen and a maybe a revival of mythrecipe ;)

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sphery:

I just use procmail recipes. Works for me.

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: 99% of all users are :)

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** skd5aner hopes he's not one of 10 trillion **

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iamlindoro:

no, you are one of several dozen ;)

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iamlindoro:

And even if you weren't keeping the release notes up to date, you at least act like a human being and not like some atrocious supervisor

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** skd5aner gets the warm and fuzzies **

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wagnerrp:

just dont start handing out TPS reports

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GreyFoxx:

Did you get the memo?

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wagnerrp:

right... well im going to need you to stay late, and get that external playback support for storage groups working

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wagnerrp:

youll probably need to come in saturday too

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GreyFoxx:

*sleeps in all weekend*

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GreyFoxx:

man now I feel like watching that

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wagnerrp:

because... you know it feels good to be a gangsta

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GreyFoxx:

WTF is PC Load Letter?

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GreyFoxx:

*smash*

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sphery:

I want to watch that movie, again. I wish I had it on hard copy.

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skd5aner:

Just watched it last weekend for the first time in like 4 years

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skd5aner:

It was scary how much I could remember and quote, random dialog

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it you had cable, you could record it on comedy central every couple weeks

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

but without, I can get it on DVD--with DVD extras

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skd5aner:

corporate accounts payable, Nina Speaking, just a moment

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sphery:

and without commercials, and bad-quality broadcast or signal issues or ...

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skd5aner:

Yea, I own the Office Space Special Edition, with flair

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johnnyj:

sphery: you're showing them

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sphery:

nice...

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skd5aner:

it is funny how dated some of the things in that movie are getting

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sphery:

johnnyj: was just thinking about you

[15:44:07]

johnnyj:

send them an email that says: This is me, not watching you

[15:44:19]

sphery:

do you have any updates for xdg-screensaver?

[15:44:40]

johnnyj:

sphery: no – it works fine – dunnit?

[15:44:52]

johnnyj:

in fact my update didn't work fine

[15:45:53]

iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1452898&page=3

[15:45:57]

iamlindoro:

See, now here's just what a mean

[15:46:04]

iamlindoro:

(post 28)

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sphery:

hjo

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sphery:

er, johnnyj: just starting to look at it and wanted to make sure you didn't have more

[15:46:53]

johnnyj:

well it is called "Mythtv .23 opinions"

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johnnyj:

what were you looking for?

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sphery:

johnnyj: also, for future reference, easiest way to add new files is to: svn add libs/libmythui/screensaver-xdg.cpp ; then, an svn diff will pick up the new files

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: Then it would help if he were running .23 and not some package from weks ago

[15:47:55]

johnnyj:

and then what to create the patch ?

[15:47:56]

sphery:

nothing specifically, but you mentioned you were working on something

[15:48:00]

iamlindoro:

svn diff

[15:48:17]

sphery:

right, svn diff

[15:48:31]

johnnyj:

specifically how to name the diff / patch file I create?

[15:48:34]

sphery:

makes a single patch, which is easier to work with than multiple files

[15:48:56]

sphery:

svn diff > ~/mythtv-8357-add_xdg-screensaver_support.patch

[15:48:58]

iamlindoro:

It would also help if ubuntu policy allowed them to push out fixes at some regular interval instead of relying on people to enable what would otherwise seem a perfectly optional repository

[15:49:07]

sphery:

exactly

[15:49:26]

sphery:

the "each release is perfect, and you only get security updates" always seemed annoying

[15:49:43]

sphery:

though, from a package management perspective, makes a lot of sense

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LadyBug:

iamlindoro: I am the poster of #28, so what is your problem?

[15:50:16]

iamlindoro:

LadyBug: You are not running .23

[15:50:21]

sphery:

johnnyj: for this one, though, don't worry about it--it's easy enough to handle

[15:50:22]

iamlindoro:

And you're not running auto-builds

[15:50:26]

iamlindoro:

and there are no weekly builds

[15:50:42]

iamlindoro:

so you should get to actual .23 and then try, then post your opinion, in that order ;)

[15:51:38]

johnnyj:

how exciting – you guys expect further stuff from me

[15:51:53]

johnnyj:

I supposed I shouldn't enjoy my weekends off like I just did

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LadyBug:

iamlindoro: I am the poster of #28, so what is your problem

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LadyBug:

Oops.

[15:52:09]

johnnyj:

9-)

[15:52:18]

johnnyj:

somebody nudge her

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LadyBug:

mythfrontend.re[1889]: segfault at 5c ip 00007f574f50f0db sp 00007f572bad9450 error 6 in libmythtv-0.23.so.0.23.0[7f574edfd000+cbf000]

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LadyBug:

What in that says I'm not running 0.23?

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iamlindoro:

LadyBug: The fact that .23 came out this morning, and mythbuntu shipped with packages with a bug that hasn't existed for weeks, which you are describing

[15:53:34]

sphery:

LadyBug: yes, please update

[15:53:36]

iamlindoro:

that's also what tells me you're not runinng the auto-builds, which are nightly, not weekly

[15:53:41]

sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

If you were running auto-builds and had been up to date, you would never have seen your first issues

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iamlindoro:

er first issue

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sphery:

johnnyj: are the only updates to the .2 files the whitespace fixes? Specifically screensaver-xdg.h --you uploaded the wrong .h the 2nd time around

[15:55:58]

johnnyj:

i suspect many of my Ubuntu brethren will install the auto-builds once they figure out how

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johnnyj:

sphery: ah crap – im atually booting up my dev box – 1 moment

[15:56:52]

sphery:

some former-Gentoo user who had never used Ubuntu and I (who have never used mythbuntu) were able to figure out how to enable auto builds, so it can't be /that/ hard :)

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LadyBug:

I have done full manual apt-get update & upgrade earlier today and I am seeing mythtv crash right now.

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sphery:

I have booted Ubuntu, but never done anything with it.

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sphery:

LadyBug: did you enable auto-builds?

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iamlindoro:

LadyBug: Then you are *not running auto-builds*

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sphery:

LadyBug: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

and/or the auto-build system is broken

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sphery:

and/or you need to reboot

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johnnyj:

oh crud – i've got a meeting

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johnnyj:

sphery: ill have to get back to that in a moment

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iamlindoro:

because .23-fixes has had the fix for the first issue you describe for several weeks

[15:58:03]

sphery:

(yeah, yeah, *nix, no reboot necessary... just do it)

[15:58:17]

iamlindoro:

And technically speaking, no opinion in that thread is of .23, as it only came out this morning

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sphery:

johnnyj: I'll work off your original one--can fix whitespace myself

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LadyBug:

Mythbuntu repos has been installed for about 6 days now. And yes, I have manually updated since several times even if the automatic system is not working.

[16:01:41]

LadyBug:

I'm currenlty running 0.23.0+fixes24509

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LadyBug:

And now for the crash — apport can't send the error report "Your computer doesn't have enough memory to analyze...and send the error report".

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iamlindoro:

If you don't have enough memory to send a bug report, then that may very well be the cause of any other issues too ;)

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LadyBug:

iamlindoro: 145904k free memory right now (of total 505696k), loads of available swap.

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry if this is a common question, but played a bit more with MNV over the weekend – this time, search on MTV. However, several videos came back and said they couldn't be played in my local, what is the cause of that? Do they block playback of certain videso in the US?

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iamlindoro:

LadyBug: confirm you are trying to run with 512 MB or ram?

[16:09:06]

iamlindoro:

Well... good luck

[16:09:22]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: They might, once it's at that point you're purely at the mercy of MTV

[16:09:39]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: np, wasn't sure if you had experienced the same or not

[16:10:03]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: We're just an aggregator/UI/framework, really-- but as we continue to work on the locale-aware stuff I started last week, it should be less and less possible to see videos you aren't able to play

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I just found it interesting that some videos from a particular artist, would play, and others would not playback just providing a message, something to the effect of not being able to show the video to this location

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LadyBug:

iamlindoro: Has the memory footprint of MythTV changed radically going to 0.22 -> 0.23? I have had this box running just fine for several years.

[16:11:33]

skd5aner:

I saw the commits you did a week or so ago with the local tags

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skd5aner:

anyway – thx

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: MTV provides videos for lots of different locales-- at the moment we don't segregate them... once we do, you will only be presented with playable videos

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Be aware that some of the sites (e.g. MTV) are not consistent with the data that ids which country a video can be played in. Sometimes the channel and the specific video have conflicting info.

[16:12:28]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: that sounds consistent with what I was seeing

[16:12:58]

skd5aner:

It was kind of hit or miss honestly

[16:13:10]

skd5aner:

2/3's played ok, 1/3 didn't

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iamlindoro:

LadyBug: Don't think anyone around here has considered 512 MB an adequate amount of RAM for some time-- Myth's memory footprint may mildly have changed, but remember you upgraded your entire OS, meaning all sorts of new bells, whistles, and memory eaters

[16:14:00]

LadyBug:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html still says 512 is ok.

[16:14:08]

iamlindoro:

The docs are out of date

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iamlindoro:

in many places

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skd5aner:

LadyBug: yea, 512 is pretty low by current standards for a full system – you'd have to specifically try and optimize everything to work well with that ammount of RAM

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iamlindoro:

And again, you upgraded your entire distro, not just myth

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iamlindoro:

meaning you threw all the variables in the blender and hit "puree"

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: while you're around, I saw the announcement in #mythtv earlier, great work on the new grabbers for MNV! (and iamlindoro)

[16:16:43]

skd5aner:

really exciting stuff

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: thanks

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iamlindoro:

I deserve credit only as a collaborator, I build the piano, he plays it ;)

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skd5aner:

that's a great analogy

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skd5aner:

but don't sell yourself short, piano makers are artists too

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johnnyj:

sphery: you sure ?

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johnnyj:

not to mention the piano tuners

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sphery:

johnnyj: there's not much in screensaver-xdg.h... so unless there were substantive changes, I've already fixed the whitespace in it

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johnnyj:

sweet

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sphery:

actually, even if there were substantive changes, I've already fixed the whitespace in it, but if there were no substantive changes, I have no need for an updated version :)

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johnnyj:

i didn't even re-upload screensaver-xdg.h

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sphery:

yeah, looks like you just selected the wrong file to upload

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johnnyj:

i can see where the single file would have been easier

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johnnyj:

i'll do that if I can untangle what I'm doing with this dummy tuner

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sphery:

for you, too :)

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sphery:

I already have it in a single patch

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sphery:

no need to do anything for this one

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iamlindoro:

HA, WOW... looking at the season and episode numbers parsed out by our new Hulu grabber

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iamlindoro:

"Guiding Light" is on season *71*

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sphery:

wow

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iamlindoro:

episode 15483

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johnnyj:

is that content playable now?

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: I don't understand the question

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johnnyj:

ugh – not guiding light – hulu

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iamlindoro:

hulu has always been playable

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skd5aner:

I swear there was something that went into myth in the last couple of years where it was assumed there wouldn't be triple digit seasons or something like that

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johnnyj:

last i asked it was broken

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johnnyj:

the grabber

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sphery:

speaking of the Hulu grabber, I tried using it, but it didn't make my favorite episodes of Supernatural available

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sphery:

can you fix that

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: There has never been a hulu grabber until this morning

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iamlindoro:

sphery: heh

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johnnyj:

oh – there was hulu content coming back from another grabber -

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sphery:

what does it do for the "Watch at CW" type ones?

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: grabber in this context is a MythNetvision grabber-- and it's the one and only a) official and b) legal way there has ever been to aggregate hulu content in myth

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Send you to those sites

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tzanger:

mythnetvision?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice

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iamlindoro:

sphery: eg, some of the family guy content sends you to adult swim's player, etc.

[16:29:38]

sphery:

now if you just make it so that CW doesn't remove episodes (allowing only the 2 most-recently-aired to be viewed online), I'll be impressed

[16:29:58]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, I'll just leverage the awesome power of the consumer... oh wait

[16:29:58]

sphery:

and since Supernatural is getting a surprise season 6, it's actually important, now

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sphery:

can't the cloud fix that?

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: Then you likely remain uninpressed;)

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

tzanger: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision

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sphery:

tzanger: one (of many) great reasons to upgrade to 0.23!

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johnnyj:

but it wont run on my casio watch

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tzanger:

0.23?? I think I'm still on 0.21

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iamlindoro:

Then you're about two years+ out of date

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sphery:

tzanger: the reasons to upgrade are as innumerable as the stars, then

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sphery:

(don't ask what version I'm on)

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sphery:

season ends soon, though!

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tzanger:

iamlindoro: yeah I am about that far behind

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** iamlindoro wonders how long we will be answering the culture shock questions from pre-to-post-Qt4/MythUI port conversions **

[16:34:06]

iamlindoro:

At least another year's worth, I'll bet

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tzanger:

heh

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sphery:

johnnyj: did you do any testing of what happens when you're not running screensaver programs but do have DPMS enabled? I.e. does xdg-screensaver handle that?

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johnnyj:

sphery: no – shall i ?

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johnnyj:

xdg-screensaver does nothing with DPMS

[16:35:46]

sphery:

seems it may... based on a quick grep of xdg-screensaver...

[16:35:51]

sphery:

wow, this is looking more and more cool

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johnnyj:

you will need to instantiate screensaver-x11 if you want dpms logic

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sphery:

I think the actual xdg-screensaver script handles it... grep -i dpms /usr/bin/xdg-screensaver

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sphery:

handling it in resume/reset/suspend

[16:37:44]

sphery:

so... you actually handled a case you didn't know you handled

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iamlindoro:

The best kind

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johnnyj:

sphery: i swear you told me to hack all that stuff out – but I'll take the credit

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johnnyj:

credit monger that I am

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iamlindoro:

You'll fit in just fine here

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sphery:

johnnyj: no, you did hack it out, but xdg-screensaver itself handles it

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johnnyj:

ok – so that's cool

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sphery:

it makes things /significantly/ simpler for myth

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sphery:

basically, it's a bash script that implements everything that screensaver-x11.cpp implements, but much more efficiently

[16:41:25]

sphery:

it's wonderful

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johnnyj:

it's filled with goodness

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iamlindoro:

bash > C++

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

Now if only someone would write a bash script so I'm not forced to use MythNetVision

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iamlindoro:

alas

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skd5aner:

MythBashVision

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iamlindoro:

mm, ascii vo

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skd5aner:

lol – now, a complete waste of time that would be, but I'd always have to show that off to my friends "Look, we can watch the Super Bowl rendered in ASCII!"

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skd5aner:

screw Xv support, OpenGL and ASCII-VO FTW!

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Jay2k1:

did anyone reply to my question? had a disconnect :/

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johnnyj:

i dont see it

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sphery:

skd5aner: aaxine and/or cacaxine

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sphery:

cacaxine gives you color ascii-art

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skd5aner:

is there lib for it?

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sphery:

make a nice 4pt, wide xterm and it's pretty cool looking

[16:49:06]

sphery:

we don't have support in Myth, but just install cacaxine (and it will install cacalib)

[16:49:14]

skd5aner:

well, I knew that much... ;)

[16:49:51]

skd5aner:

you mean, "we don't have support in Myth YET", right? RIGHT?! ;)

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skd5aner:

haha

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: when you get the vdpaucaca backend done

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skd5aner:

I haven't played with ASCII video since 2003

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: What an absurd contribution that would be, I'll start on it today!

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skd5aner:

;)

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skd5aner:

it's fun to say vdpaucaca out load though

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skd5aner:

s/load/loud

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sphery:

skd5aner: the caca software is available from http://caca.zoy.org/ (the lib, specifically, at http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/libcaca ) and aalib is http://aa-project.sourceforge.net/aalib/

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iamlindoro:

especially if you say VDPAU VeeDeePoo like I do

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sphery:

you can use them to make ascii-art of any pic you have

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sphery:

they're actually fun to play with

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: it's funny when I was trying to explain to my wife why I was replacing the video card in the mythfrontend several months ago, I had never had to say VDPAU outloud. I had to think about it

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skd5aner:

said it like VeeDeePah

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iamlindoro:

The podcast folks say "VeeDeePeeAyyYou" which takes all the fun out of it

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sphery:

VeeDeePeeAtYou

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iamlindoro:

VDP@U?

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skd5aner:

lol

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** iamlindoro shudders http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/cox-plus-p . . . ltiroom-dvr/ **

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iamlindoro:

"advanced trio UI"

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sphery:

500GB?

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sphery:

wow, what ever would you use all that space for?

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highzeth:

I always think of the band T'Pau when people talk about VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

Looks like a hotel STB

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iamlindoro:

as in, the UI reminds me of the crap hotel STBs hooked up via RF

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sphery:

well, for some users--buying underpowered hardware--VDPAU /is/ the "Heart and Soul" of their MythTV systems

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sphery:

(i.e. they couldn't use MythTV without it)

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j-rod:

mythtv has never looked better than it does w/vdpau on my gt220

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j-rod:

which is in an athlon x2 box w/4G of RAM. (i.e., it doesn't *need* it)

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johnnyj:

vdpau is the Zmodem of today

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j-rod:

though admittedly, I don't think I've actually tried !vdpau on this rig

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sphery:

j-rod: yeah, that's the right way to do it--use VDPAU as a /feature/ of your system, not a single-point-of-failure for your system

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iamlindoro:

Heh, considering how long it takes to fill the DB with MNV items on my powerful systems, I would be amused to know what happens to the ION-backend folks

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** dustybin fiddles with his backend **

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delmar:

Hi everyone. I'm having some issues getting mythtv to drive my Moteck positioner via diseqc 1.2. The card+diseqc setup _seem_ fairly obvious, but mythtv isnt sending the commands. tried mythtv .22 and 0.23. Anyone know much about the diseqc 1.2 support in myth etc? cheers.

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skd5aner:

I still get a sort of tearring/interlaced-like effect via VDPAU when there is text or graphics on the video. I almost never notice it in the video itself, just graphics and text

[17:11:30]

skd5aner:

but other than that VDPAU works great for me with all of my content

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sphery:

Isn't that one of the things that you have to enable/disable Composite extension to fix?

[17:15:17]

skd5aner:

sphery: maybe, no one has really pointed me in any direction to resolve it, and I've almost grown accustomed to it – any advice you have would be greatly appreciated

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highzeth:

sounds like it, disable if so

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sphery:

in nvidia-settings? or xorg.conf or ?

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skd5aner:

It's extremely noticable on the the overlays that NBC does after commercials, start/end of shows – etc

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highzeth:

xorg

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sphery:

but I think there are other effects when you do, so you may close one issue and open 3 others

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highzeth:

not noticed any issues turning it off, mind you the boxes in question are FE's only

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skd5aner:

highzeth, sphery: thanks, I'll play around – is the general advice to have Option "Composite" "Disable" ?

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highzeth:

Option "Composite" "off" under extensions in xorg.conf

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skd5aner:

oh, "off" – thx

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sphery:

highzeth: yeah, I think the issues are only for those using a poor choice of WM (like Compiz or some other desktop ones)

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highzeth:

the tearing you describe I had when it was on

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skd5aner:

wiki says "disabled", but I gotcha

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highzeth:

sphery: yeah, compiz might be touched by that. Ive never had any affection for such =)

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sphery:

that makes 2 of us

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skd5aner:

I don't have compiz...

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sphery:

Flux ftw!

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sphery:

E might also have issues

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sphery:

(Enlightenment)

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skd5aner:

I build ubuntu server addition, basically barebones, no X, so I only install what I need for a basic WM and to get myth up and running

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skd5aner:

doh s/addition/edition :P

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skd5aner:

highzeth, sphery: thanks, this looks like it'll probably fix the issue, appreciate the simple advice

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highzeth:

np

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highzeth:

GVHD is one heck of a thing, itching myself to blood :/

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee

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gbee:

does anyone know of a decent command line xml validator, which works with a DTD and can do batch processing? (apologies if this is the third time you've seen this because you were in the other two channels)

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skd5aner:

in the wiki, there's the {{changeset|r#}} mark up, is there one for trac tickets? like {{ticket|#}} ?

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gbee:

skd5aner: should be, I added it IIRC, let me check the syntax

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skd5aner:

gbee: great, thanks – I was assuming there probably was one, but I couldn't find anywhere that showed all the custom markups that have been added

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johnnyj:

sphery – you softy

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johnnyj:

"***OK, call it subjective..."

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: {{ticket|number}}

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johnnyj:

ugh – I coulda killed him – I recorded Planes Trains and Automobiles for my other half and I got up on Sunday morning to him watching it on live tv – he didnt even notice it was already there

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner, for an example... http://mythtv.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Ticket

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gbee:

skd5aner: yeah, it's just {{Ticket|1234}}

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skd5aner:

thanks guys

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gbee:

and I did remember right, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Template:Tic . . . tion=history

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skd5aner:

Is there anywhere on the site that shows all the custom templates?

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gbee:

no :/ they should have been added to http://mythtv.com/wiki/Templates

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gbee:

and we'd be grateful if someone added changeset/ticket and any others to that page

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skd5aner:

gbee: I will do it

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skd5aner:

at least those two

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skd5aner:

that's a good page to bookmark, thanks

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wagnerrp:

theres lists of 'most linked to' and 'unused' templates on the special pages link

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skd5aner:

another wiki question, is there a "variable" which could be used to always point to a current version, so that it doens't have to be manually updated later on?

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skd5aner:

like "The latest version of mythtv is {{current version}}"?

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mzb:

yeah, it's called "trunk" ;)) ... jk

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skd5aner:

sorry – current "release"

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gbee:

just created a template http://mythtv.com/wiki/Template:CurrentVersion

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gbee:

err http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:CurrentRelease

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skd5aner:

gbee: awesome, thanks ;)

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gbee:

so use {{CurrentRelease}}

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skd5aner:

I updated the Template page too with changeset and ticket

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iamlindoro:

Where is this .23.1 nonsense coming from?

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skd5aner:

I saw that

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iamlindoro:

someone keeps misspelling F-I-X-E-S

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I had renamed the .23.1 release notes page to .23-fixes, but wagnerrp reverted saying 0.23.1 was preferred, I defer to whatever you guys agree on

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iamlindoro:

I am pretty sure he said the opposite

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Release_Note . . . ;oldid=44404

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Release_Note . . . ;oldid=44448

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iamlindoro:

He probably did that because -fixes will never be a release

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iamlindoro:

or rather, it's a moving release

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skd5aner:

I think that was his reasoning

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iamlindoro:

but there is no .23.1, nor any plan to have one

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gbee:

fwiw I'd like there to be a 0.23.1, at least one point release per month if we can sort it out

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iamlindoro:

unless you listen to gbee

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gbee:

:p

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iamlindoro:

gbee: If we do, I'd like it to be less heartache to try to get one out

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iamlindoro:

I have to ask permission of a half dozen people and bug the crap out of them, and it's not fun

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skd5aner:

heh

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gbee:

well the reasoning is that those who only build from source and only understand normal downloads miss out on the benefits of -fixes

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iamlindoro:

Whatever we do is fine, so long as it's consistent

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iamlindoro:

And it would be really nice if we could build some sort of push-button release system

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iamlindoro:

one that more than one person controls

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iamlindoro:

anyway, home

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gbee:

the downloads of the tarballs remains pretty steady, even ~7 months after the release of 0.22, and those are all downloads of a release that wasn't bug free

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gbee:

xris: ^^

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gbee:

I don't know that we need a news item for every point release, just a 'current version' box on the site which also references the changelog

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skd5aner:

gbee: that's logical

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gbee:

which we already have, it's just not updated automatically

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Jay2k1:

god thos´is stuff is difficult

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Jay2k1:

this*

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skd5aner:

gbee: would you mind if I updated the {{CurrentRelease}} changeset to also always link to the latest release notes for that release?

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skd5aner:

s/changeset/template

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gbee:

nope, go for it

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skd5aner:

cool, thanks

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skd5aner:

done – cool, never had created/edited custom templates before

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highzeth:

this is a good time of the year storage wise, sis in-law's reality shows are over, reclaimed ~400G so far.

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rstory:

hi.. I'm having the same problem as someone on the mailing list... ubuntu 9.10 (MythBuntu) system with all tuners asleep and no recordings... any other ubuntu users having issues too?

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skd5aner:

yea, I like when I travel for business, cause then the wife watches a ton of "her" shows

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jolaren:

Anyoen of you managed to view flash recording from a mobile phone?

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liminal:

hello

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liminal:

im trying to install mythtv in lucid 32bit

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highzeth:

8h battery time, lets see if that holds water. 12cell, what a brick

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liminal:

i had it working okay before

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liminal:

but now im getting package errors from the installer

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liminal:

talking about a corrupt file system on theme package graphite

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jolaren:

liminal: I'm runnin myth in 32bits lucid

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jolaren:

define your errors

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liminal:

and a corrupted file system tarfile

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jolaren:

uhm

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liminal:

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mythtv-frontend_0.23.0+fixes24158–0ubuntu2_i386.de b (--unpack):

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jolaren:

Tried removin and startin all over?

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liminal:

corrupted filesystem tarfile

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liminal:

of course. no dice

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liminal:

run a fschk – no dice

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liminal:

should you install the front end or the packend first?

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liminal:

or does it not matter

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dibbz:

filesystem isnt full?

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liminal:

no

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liminal:

my home directory has gigs free

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jolaren:

Anyone used Miro for somethin good? For me It only adds all my mythvideos to the frontend/viewer .. problem is it does this everyday with all the videos .. like 100 videos commin infront of my new recordings, how do I manage this?

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: The MiroBridge wiki describes special controls you put in a config file to override normal Miro processing. But what you describe sounds wrong. Do you have 100 videos in Miro? MiroBridge only reflects what the Miro data base has in it.

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jolaren:

I think I have 80 movies circus that lists everyday RDV_Linux

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jolaren:

It would be okay if they got listed let's say 2010:04:02 .. one time but they get listed everyday.. 2010:04:03, 2010:04:04

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jolaren:

you can see how this creates a hazzle for me

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Is this a collection or have you set them to never expire in Miro?

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jolaren:

This are all my movies from my home

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dibbz:

is your home directory /var/cache ?

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jolaren:

All the kids disneys films etc

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Just so I understand you are using Miro to hold your collection of kids Disney films etc?

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RDV_Linux:

s/you are/are you/

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jolaren:

RDV_Linux: to hold all my movies

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jolaren:

all my dvds

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Why are you not using MythVideo for this purpose?

[19:01:07]

RDV_Linux:

jolaren: I need to understand your situation so I can give the best advise.

[19:01:14]

jolaren:

Well, only reason is mobility.. like havin my kid watch flash frmo the netbook

[19:01:18]

jolaren:

over lan

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jolaren:

thro mythweb

[19:01:51]

jolaren:

(its windows based, the netbook)

[19:01:59]

jolaren:

tried runnin the frontend but to laggy

[19:04:08]

RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Please pastebin the output from a MiroBridge run using the options "-V" and I may get a better picture of you situation. Just reply with the pastebin link here.

[19:05:32]

RDV_Linux:

jolaren: Did you add these videos to Miro your self? It may be that incomplete metadata in the Miro data base is causing issues for MiroBridge.

[19:06:20]

jolaren:

I did not add them manually. I will take a better look tomororw :-

[19:06:29]

jolaren:

Gettin late n workin in 5 hours

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RDV_Linux:

jolaren: OK but to some degree I am unsure considering your requirements why you are using MiroBridge.

[19:07:49]

jolaren:

Yer, I guess.. Probarbly the easiest solution would be to wipe windows of the netbook

[19:07:52]

jolaren:

not usin it to often

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RDV_Linux:

it may not be the right tool for the job.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: latest commit should fix things

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: thanks. good timing as iamlindoro also had a few MNV commits I wanted to try.

[19:15:46]

sphery:

wagnerrp: were you working with bcgrown (see #mythtv)?

[19:17:16]

wagnerrp:

sphery: in so far as he pointed me at the website yesterday

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

just saw you mentioning some stuff about recommendations, so I didn't know if you were already doing what he was thinking of doing

[19:18:06]

wagnerrp:

pretty much

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Lt_Dan:

good day... can someone point me to the commands for switching my svn repo from 0.22-fixes to 0.23-fixes (i remember seeing a way to switch versus doing "rm -rv" and "svn co")

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Lt_Dan:

of course what i remember was someone going from 0.21-fixes to 0.22

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gbee:

svn help switch

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sphery:

+ MythTV-specific commands :)

[19:29:18]

sphery:

Lt_Dan: and, as you mentioned, update version numbers as appropriate: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/405538#405538

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** sphery should write that up on the wiki **

[19:29:58]

Lt_Dan:

yeah--that's exactly what i remember.. thank you sphery

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sphery:

y/w

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I can confirm those latest commits fixed both issues. Every thing seems good now. Thanks

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wagnerrp:

my cableco has recently been bumping back up the bitrate

[20:11:12]

wagnerrp:

dont know what changed that im no longer getting abysmal 12–13mbps shows

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sphery:

they made bandwidth available by dropping analog channels?

[20:12:03]

wagnerrp:

no, not yet

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wagnerrp:

although thats supposed to happen in august

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sphery:

wow, imagine the bitrate they'll use then ;)

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bergqvistjl:

hi guys, is anyone here using mythbuntu lucid?

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wagnerrp:

is that 10.10?

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bergqvistjl:

10.04

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wagnerrp:

oh... plenty of people using that

[20:21:02]

bergqvistjl:

its just that my apache server doesnt autostart, so i cant use mythweb and the like

[20:21:08]

** wagnerrp wonders why people cant just call it 10.04 **

[20:21:15]

bergqvistjl:

well it is 10.04

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bergqvistjl:

oh i get you

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bergqvistjl:

anyway, the command ive used to start apache manually (when i found out what it was doing was: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start

[20:22:40]

bergqvistjl:

nothing major there, but how could i add it to the list of items to load on startup without it prompting for the password?

[20:22:53]

bergqvistjl:

and exiting when its done (when run in the terminal, it does this anyway)

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** wagnerrp applauds sphery's campaign to rally the community against udo **

[20:25:06]

sphery:

no, just against that change

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sphery:

I only mentioned once who made it get changed :)

[20:25:28]

sphery:

he wasn't the only one in the "vocal outcry"

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sphery:

quite of few of the usual armchair devs piped about about how it must be changed or else

[20:31:00]

bergqvistjl:

is there a mythbuntu specific channel or chatroom?

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iamlindoro:

#mythbuntu

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bergqvistjl:

thanks

[20:37:46]

moodboom:

hey all, i am getting the following error in the mythfrontend log when I start a video (which hangs at "Please Wait...") – anyone know if that's a myth configure problem or system problem? using drivers from ati: "not compiled with any usable video output"

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moodboom:

worked fine for a long time until recently

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iamlindoro:

sounds liek you are set to a video profile your card does not support-- but impossible to know from cherry picked logs-- pastebinned logs would help

[20:42:15]

moodboom:

video profile, i will look into that, thanks (again) iamlindoro :>

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sphery:

moodboom: Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen. Change the Playback Profile group to Slim.

[20:42:35]

iamlindoro:

and I'm sorry, I shoudl say playback profile

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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moodboom:

thanks all, awesome, will try it out

[20:46:28]

skd5aner:

ummm, why is my mythweb all of a sudden in spanish?

[20:46:45]

skd5aner:

how is that even possible

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skd5aner:

?

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wagnerrp:

you set it as such?

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skd5aner:

sorry, Catala

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skd5aner:

well, I'm 100% sure I didn't, in fact haven't been to the mythweb settings page in... um, years?

[20:48:28]

wagnerrp:

google has

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wagnerrp:

what have we told you about securing your server

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wagnerrp:

now mythtv is programmed to record only soaps and porn

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skd5aner:

It is secured, unless something has happened :(

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skd5aner:

I've used htdigest for years

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skd5aner:

since 2005

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wagnerrp:

i know, im joking

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skd5aner:

well, that was my first worry, testing from another subnet now

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sphery:

skd5aner: browser sending the wrong Accept-Language?

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moodboom:

dang it, none of my settings screens are visible (hidden behind menu) – i can see them for a second when i hit esc, before dropping back to menu

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moodboom:

guess i need to change configuration directly in the db...?

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skd5aner:

well, still being prompted for auth... sphery, not sure... I would doubt it?

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skd5aner:

weird none the less...

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I learned my lesson way back in the day, when google did crawl my mythweb site and really screwed up a bunch of stuff

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sphery:

moodboom: what menu?

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sphery:

mythtv main menu?

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sphery:

if so, I think you're running multiple windows or something

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moodboom:

yeah

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moodboom:

seems opengl is flaky about getting the window or something

[20:56:35]

sphery:

or you have a broken Window Manager configuration or something

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moodboom:

maybe

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moodboom:

running fluxbox, using it for a while no prob

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moodboom:

ati and xorg-server havent been playing well

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moodboom:

i should probably turn off opengl

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Pwen:

hi all. I am having a problem with jamu.py crashing.

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Pwen:

File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythBase.py", line 71, in __getattr__ elif name in self.field_order:

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Pwen:

AttributeError: 'VideoTypes' object has no attribute 'field_order'

[21:00:47]

Pwen:

the first line is printed hundreds of times, then the final line is as shown. the command tried was "./jamu.py -l en -MIV"

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you updated the bindings and did not update jamu to match

[21:01:23]

Pwen:

wagnerrp: I use Mythbuntu, which I assume would keep the versions inline, maybe not?

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Pwen:

I am using MythTV 0.23

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Beirdo:

ugh blah

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Pwen:

wagnerrp: I have just found this thread http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . u.py;#433803 and will attemp the solutions found there, will let you know how it goes :) thanks

[21:06:01]

wagnerrp:

i dont know whats in that thread, but i guarantee you that you simply need to update jamu

[21:06:22]

wagnerrp:

having written the code its failing on, i know exactly what the problem is

[21:07:05]

wagnerrp:

and its just that you are running a version of the bindings where i updated some internal variable names, with an old version of jamu that has not been patched for the changes

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edomeda:

hey guys, can anyone tell me what process/command causes myth to schedule programs? I updated and restarted my box and everything seems working except mythweb shows upcoming recordings as blank. My schedules are still in place though.

[21:09:00]

wagnerrp:

you can pass it as a flag when running mythbackend

[21:10:31]

edomeda:

hum... guess more then that broke. It also tells me "Myth is using all inputs, but there are no recordings?"

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sphery:

moodboom: good idea... start mythfrontend with: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

[21:11:39]

sphery:

then you might be able to get to settings to change the settings--including Theme Painter

[21:11:46]

sphery:

or at least playback profile group

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Beirdo:

ThemePainter=rembrandt ? :)

[21:11:57]

Pwen:

wagnerrp: oh ok, how would I manually update jamu?

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wagnerrp:

Pwen: update the mythvideo plugin

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, heh

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Pwen:

wagnerrp: ok, I think maybe Mythbuntu has a problem with that... how can I chek my mythvideo version?

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo wont have changed, but the jamu it contains will have

[21:16:13]

edomeda:

great, upgrade broke lots of stuff. First problem, how do I fix the "Myth is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?" problem when I try to watch tv?

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wagnerrp:

edomeda: that means the backend either isnt running, or it doesnt have access to the tuners

[21:16:54]

edomeda:

I've re-run mythtv-setup, and checked, everything looks correct. And tried running mythtvfilldatabase

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Beirdo:

blargh, why must ubuntu require so dang much memory?

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Beirdo:

126MB virt for mysqld

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Beirdo:

gnome this, gnome that.

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Beirdo:

blech

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iamlindoro:

You know, if Dagmar was still around he'd tell you what a moron you are for having any WM at all ;)

[21:22:16]

iamlindoro:

and that when he started, way before you even HEARD of a computer, he could have coded this linux thing up on punchcards, and that you are an idiot for not being him

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

I'm sure I've been using Linux a lot longer than him

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Pwen:

wagnerrp: ok, this happens when I try "aptitude reinstall mythvideo" – E: I wasn't able to locate file for the mythvideo package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. – looks pretty broken to me?

[21:22:55]

iamlindoro:

I suspect a fair number of us have been

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Beirdo:

OMG, how is havokmud using 32% CPU idling?!

[21:23:06]

Beirdo:

what did I do wrong now?

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iamlindoro:

I heard my MBE going nutso the other day and found that it was using 40% CPU for some screensaver 10.04 had enabled, heh

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: is ubuntu your primary OS for your myth boxes?

[21:25:20]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, basic run-of-the-mill ubuntu is what my MBE runs on, but I have a debian laptop and a fedora system too

[21:25:27]

iamlindoro:

so I'm fairly diverse-ish

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skd5aner:

cool, I was just curious if you ran vanilla ubuntu or mythbuntu distro

[21:25:55]

iamlindoro:

Vanilla for me

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skd5aner:

I've yet to upgrade to 10.04

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skd5aner:

yea, I run the server version, so I get to build up, rather than remove

[21:26:26]

iamlindoro:

though that's not a reflection of my thoughts on myth distros, I think they're great (and particularly appreciate the interference the mythbuntu devs run for us ticketwise)

[21:26:32]

skd5aner:

has worked pretty well, and teaches me what I really need rather than just depending on stuff to already be there for me

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iamlindoro:

Upgrades have been relatively kind to me, always some little thing but no big deals here

[21:27:18]

iamlindoro:

the 10.04 upgrade was very smooth, in fact

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skd5aner:

The last 2 were pretty painless for me, but the upgrade to 10.08 I think it was, went extremely wrong

[21:28:04]

skd5aner:

oops, I mean 08.10

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skd5aner:

or, whatever

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skd5aner:

they have really worked out a lot of the major kinks from years past in the upgrade process, as long as you aren't doing anything too far off the beaten path

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iamlindoro:

upstart seems to be causing lots of issues

[21:29:30]

iamlindoro:

yet another way to the backend to come up before network, or DVB, or before udev has finished, etc.

[21:29:48]

skd5aner:

yuck... hate those kind of "race" conditions

[21:29:59]

dan__t:

So I got my IR blaster all set up, it works!!! hah yeah!

[21:30:40]

dan__t:

So assuming I'm using my cable box, it outputs coax to my hauppauge 1600, that's analog, right. I'm unsure how to use the blaster in conjunction with mythtv scanning those channels.

[21:32:24]

sphery:

dan__t: in the US, you don't scan analog

[21:32:34]

sphery:

dan__t: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:32:36]

dan__t:

oh, ok, i guess that would make sense then eh

[21:33:02]

sphery:

basically, pay attention to the "If you're a (North American) analog user" part

[21:33:18]

dan__t:

Will do, thanks.

[21:33:52]

dan__t:

Very cool.

[21:33:52]

skd5aner:

sphery – the guy who has written a -users email for ever possible scenario already, and has all the links as macros

[21:34:39]

** sphery wonders how many times people will ask why the percent of time recorded stat is wrong **

[21:34:47]

sphery:

I've only answered it 2 or 3 times in the same thread

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sphery:

seems it's not enough

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skd5aner:

Mike "The-guy-who-has-written-a-users-email-for-every-possible-scenario-already- and-has-all-the-links-as-macros" Dean

[21:35:06]

skd5aner:

that's better

[21:35:15]

sphery:

heh

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skd5aner:

alright, the wife is calling... time to watch me some 24

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sphery:

yay, my svn up worked--even with the release traffic

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, that works fine if you're using svn+ssh

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iamlindoro:

We're back door men here at the MythTV project

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sphery:

yeah, I was actually using http... I only svn up once in an http working copy, then tar it, then explode it when I need a clean one, and do all work in the http one. When I want to commit, I explode a clean copy, then svn switch it. That way, I can never accidentally commit from the wrong one and never accidentally leave any garbage in there that gets committed.

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sphery:

of course, saying that is just tempting fate

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sphery:

at least this time, the person asking about the percentage found one of my answers... Just read in order and hadn't gotten to the answer, yet, I guess.

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dan__t:

I'd use ivtv-tune to change the tuner to a specific channel right

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edomeda:

wagnerrp, thanks. Kernel update caused a slight change in the header format (2.6.31–20 -> 2.6.31–21) and made the module not run correctly.

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edomeda:

wagnerrp, seems the upcoming recordings appeared after I fixed the tuner problem.

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edomeda:

one last question though, how do I enable myth to be able to record more then one channel from the same multiplex? I've got a dual tuner and only three multiplexs, so in theory, I shouldn't I be able to record from all channels on the same multiplexs at once?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will already default to two virtual tuners

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edomeda:

is there a way to tell if I have those/am using a virtual tuner to record a show?

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edomeda:

I've named my tuners DVBT1 and T2, but only see those listed int he listings

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dan__t:

Ok, I can stream.... static.

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dan__t:

heh

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dan__t:

How else can I change the channel of the card itself, aside from using ivtv-tune?

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dan__t:

Stuck in RPM dependency hell.

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aliby:

For some reason mythtv is not changing to the correct channel when recording. It always records on TLC. This is a new change as of a few days ago. Any ideas why this might be?

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dan__t:

Ok, well, got it all to work as well as it probably ever will.

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dan__t:

I didn't think about how I'd also have to see the set top box display at the bottom. So I change the channel, mythtv thinks the channel is changed, when in reality a few seconds later it actually initiates the channel change via ir blaster channel change script. I understand the buffer, I've read that.

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dan__t:

Welp. Its been a fun project, thank you all very much for the help.

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dan__t:

I learned a lot. And I mean a LOT.

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bcgrown:

where are the "always start recordings x min early/ end x minutes late" settings? i couldn't find them in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: in regards to that recommendation plugin, ive already got an API key for the site

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: awesome, i did too. i didn't realize you were going to work on it

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sphery:

bcgrown: no idea which of 3 similarly described, but completely different settings you're lookign for

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Pwen:

wagnerrp: thank-you from before. All I had to do was sudo aptitude remove mythvideo && sudo aptitude install mythvideo, it fixed up some problem with it and now jamu is working!

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bcgrown:

sphery: i'm looking for the one that affects all recording schedules

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sphery:

none does

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bcgrown:

sphery: how was i able to set it then?

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sphery:

one set affects all schedules created from this point forward (pre-fills values)

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sphery:

one set affects open-ended recordings

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sphery:

one set affects only a specific rule

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sphery:

I have a feeling you're looking for the one that most people abuse

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bcgrown:

well when i check my schedules in mythweb the "start early" and "end late" fields are all zeros, but all of my recordings still start a minute early and end a minute late

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sphery:

"Time to record before start of show (in seconds)" and "Time to record past end of show (in seconds)" in TV Settings|General

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bcgrown:

yes!

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sphery:

but they don't affect all schedules

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sphery:

or, really, don't affect all recordings

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bcgrown:

those are the ones

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bcgrown:

thanks

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sphery:

and--even with the recent changes that users think will solve all their problems--won't work the way users think they will work

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bcgrown:

oh?

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sphery:

because priority comes into play

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/435318#435318

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sphery:

you have to set priority properly--it's not an "automatic soft padding"

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sphery:

and when people /also/ abuse channel and input priorities (or HDTV priority or custom priorities), that becomes a challenge

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bcgrown:

what do you mean by abusing them

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sphery:

but, on the bright side, now that we have the change that users think will magically solve all their problems, they can start to use it and realize that things are more complex was obvious when the armchair developers were saying it's an easy fix and all we have to do is...

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sphery:

basically, channel and input priorities are evil and should almost /never/ be used

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sphery:

people usually use them because they don't know how to properly configure their systems

[22:46:26]

sphery:

or because they're too lazy to do it right (after they're told how--thinking that a 30s job will take longer than 30s) and so they mess with things until the one case they're looking at works, and assume they just "fixed" everything

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sphery:

but, hey, I'm a bit jaded when it comes to the whole priority/"soft-padding"/... discussion

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bcgrown:

if i want one tuner to always be used for livetv (if available), is there a better way than giving its input a higher priority?

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sphery:

input priority has absolutely no effect on Live TV tuner selection--ever

[22:48:26]

sphery:

but giving it a higher input ID (i.e. connecting its input last) will actually make it the "preferred" Live TV tuner when you also enable the setting, "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings"

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sphery:

and that's the right approach

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sphery:

but you leave the input priority at 0

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sphery:

the same as all other input priorities

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bcgrown:

ok. now about the tuner numbering... if i do a "delete all" will that reset them back to 1 and 2

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

the capture card portion of that

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sphery:

so, yes

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sphery:

delete all capture cards (but not delete all capture cards on <hostname>) will reset IDs

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sphery:

and that's the 30s reconfig I mentioned

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sphery:

if you don't delete all video sources, you won't lose channel/listings info

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sphery:

so just do the capture card portion to reorganize inputs

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aliby:

sphery I think you had attempted to my question re: Mythbackend recording on the wrong channel. My apologies but I never did get to see your response & am still having the same problem.

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aliby:

*attempted to answer my question

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sphery:

actually, I didn't know what might cause that

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sphery:

other than a problem with external channel change script or channel configuration

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sphery:

is it /really/ every single channel?

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aliby:

Ah ok... even weirder, It's a WinTV PVR 500 card which has two tuners built into one card... and one tuner works just fine. The other stays stuck on channel 13

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sphery:

might be a hardware issue, then

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sphery:

have you tried a power off, wait for 30s, then power on

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aliby:

Nope, but I can

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wagnerrp:

power off... AND unplug

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sphery:

sometimes the hardware needs a hard boot to reinit properly

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sphery:

ideally, power off, AND unplug, AND hit the power button a few times while unplugged

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aliby:

Yeah, will do so

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wagnerrp:

we have a server at work that the onboard intel NICs will get hosed, and it takes an unplug to fix

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sphery:

but, yeah, as long as you're doing it unplugging to drain all caps is a great idea

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aliby:

Shutting down now, will unplug and mash power/reset button in a sec :p

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: anything I can do to help get the recommendation plugin started? i had a look at the plugin dev guide and it was a little overwhelming. i'm not sure where to start

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wagnerrp:

right now, im just messing around with the API itself

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wagnerrp:

TBH, ive not done any myth UI code either

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wagnerrp:

for starters, im just going to have the plugin enable/disable the grabber, and manage a blacklist of stuff you dont want recorded

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wagnerrp:

run the actual program in python

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bcgrown:

ah, i was going to say C++ is a little beyond me but other languages or the xml menu stuff i might be able to handle

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wagnerrp:

eventually, ill stick the caller into the housekeeping routines, run it once a week, calling an external grabber

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wagnerrp:

final hope, i rewrite the jobqueue and move the housekeeping stuff in there instead

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wagnerrp:

(had already been planning that for a while)

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wagnerrp:

but for now, im just trying to get a feel of what data i should send to the API to get meaningful results back

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bcgrown:

i don't know if you got the same info, but the dev of that site asked that a unique ID be added so he can tell how many mythtv users are connecting. it sounded not unreasonable

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats not a problem

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wagnerrp:

just pull a bit of /dev/random on the first run, and shove it into the database

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wagnerrp:

pull it from there from then on

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bcgrown:

he also said that an "i don't like this show" option is planned for the recommendation list

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wagnerrp:

could even have that as part of the database setup (going to need one of those for the blacklist)

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wagnerrp:

that can be added in later as needed

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bcgrown:

> If you're writing the plugin already, you can start with the "I don't like it" button on it, because it will be a simple &exclude[]=show_name option in the URL, and it will be available soon.

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bcgrown:

sounds pretty simple

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aliby:

sphery and wagnerrp — looks like reboot/poweroff may have done the trick

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sphery:

aliby: great...

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sphery:

enjoy

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aliby:

sphery yep. Fixed.

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aliby:

:D

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aliby:

Now I have to go find 24 online since it didn't record. Drat.

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sphery:

heh, and deal with the abomination that is Hulu or the network website

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sphery:

and Flash

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iamlindoro:

I heard you can do that in Myth now

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sphery:

and potentially a windows-only activex-type layer

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ok, so what about the hulu-redirects-to-network-website-that-only-plays-in-windows?

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sphery:

you go there and get the same thing you'd get in Firefox?

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sphery:

IIRC CW is windows only

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sphery:

I /think/ Fox is (isn't 24 Fox?)

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iamlindoro:

24 playing fine here :)

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iamlindoro:

right this very second in fact

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sphery:

oh, maybe not windows only :)

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sphery:

works here, too--at least the commercial before it does

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sphery:

aliby: for what it's worth: http://www.fox.com/watch/twentyfour

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bcgrown:

lucky US residents, get to watch everything online

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iamlindoro:

You can do iPlayer if you're in the UK ;)

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bcgrown:

nope

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bcgrown:

i can't get either

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iamlindoro:

Where are you?

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bcgrown:

on the WORLD-wide web. a different one than those sites, obviously :)

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iamlindoro:

K, guess I can't make any suggestions for you when information requires dental work ;)

[23:27:05]

iamlindoro:

Bah, you're in Canada, there's lots of options for you

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so try Supernatural

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iamlindoro:

write grabbers for the STV online source

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iamlindoro:

er CTV

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sphery:

We're sorry, but only the following operating systems are supported at this time: * Windows XP or Vista * Mac OS X 10.3 or greater

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aliby:

sphery – only problem is that it wont be available till tomorrow on Fox's website

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, sucky

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iamlindoro:

sphery, It's a purely artificial limitation, of course

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sphery:

that's why I had to buy an episode of Supernatural for $2 on XBox Live

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bcgrown:

iamlindoro: you may have not be able to tell, but i'm not that bothered by my lack of access.

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown, Well you did refer to us as lucky, so you're sending mixed messages

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