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wagnerrp:

is the mythhello plugin not compiling for anyone else?

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RobertLaptop:

Anyone able to get lirc_i2c to work on mythbubuntu?

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lwizardl:

hi

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lwizardl:

anyone know how to access the service menu screens on a DCT6200 ?

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lwizardl:

all the ones i read online aren't working for me

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lwizardl:

i'm trying to bring up the white screen with all the details up

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hot_wheelz:

any ideas on how to fix this failed to reinitialize video output i'm running 10.04 btw

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justinh:

hot_wheelz: probably not enough info to go on

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hot_wheelz:

justinh how about this I set the tuner to open on demand then say watch tv it thinks about it then i get the error?

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justinh:

hot_wheelz: still not enough information by a long shot. It'll help more if you provide mythfrontend log output in a pastebin

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justinh:

it could be something as 'simple

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justinh:

er.. as 'simple'

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justinh:

er.. as 'simple' as not having proper video drivers set up & working

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hot_wheelz:

i'm using the Proprietary ati driver this tuner worked fine on my laptop with ati chip

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ekka:

hi all

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ekka:

may i ask here ?

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ekka:

haloo

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ekka:

anybody here ?

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xand:

just ask your question

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ekka:

have gadmei tv tuner can be used in mythtv?

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justinh:

does it work in linux? THAT is the question

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justinh:

if she no worky on loonix, she can no be used in mythtv

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ekka:

gadmei work fine in linux with tvtime

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ekka:

but i want to use mythtv

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justinh:

if the tuner works in linux, it should work in mythtv just fine

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justinh:

but for what it's worth I would avoid that type of tuner card

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justinh:

and instead, buy one which does *digital* TV or at least has onboard video encoding & audio capture

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ekka:

i know

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ekka:

but digital TV doesnt work fine in here, because its still in experimental

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justinh:

the type of tuner card (framegrabber) is 'fine' if you only ever want one TV tuner. If you'd like to use more than one tuner (to record or watch more than one thing at a time) it gets sticky. Since most framegrabber cards don't capture audio onboard, you'd need a soundcard per tv tuner too

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justinh:

and configuring that will be a pain in the backside

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justinh:

I wouldn't wish that on anybody, not even dustybin

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ekka:

thanks

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ekka:

but i just want to watch with mythtv and maybe can be integrate with xbmc

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drindt:

my mythweb is running at the backend server, and when i want downloading a movie then it told me: 17403_20100511042900.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host. it seems that its not recognized the storage folder...

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drindt:

my mythweb is running at the backend server, and when i want downloading a movie then it told me: 17403_20100511042900.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host. it seems that its not recognized the storage folder...

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c00p:

I am in AU – Trying to work out the best video capture card for me – Wanting a DVB that can also take a Composet video in from my Austar box .... Does such thing exist

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c00p:

getting lost on the wikis

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k-man:

c00p: dunno if that exists but i doubt it- i would suggest get an HDhomerun for DVB-T reception and get that box all the US people get for the composite in from your austar box – i think its the hdpvr or something

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k-man:

how do store the system volume so its the same after rebooting?

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justinh:

k-man: with alsa, alsactl store

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justinh:

c00p: I'd avise you get separate cards for digital & analogue capture

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justinh:

*advise

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oobe:

avise sounds right to me

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justinh:

I started out with just one tuner but soon realised that wasn't going to be enough

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oobe:

k-man, i dont know if its been fixed but myth didnt support the hdhomerun dvb-t version last i heard

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c00p:

ok thanks guys

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justinh:

having separate cards for analogue & digital makes config much simpler, and can save headaches with scheduling

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c00p:

can mythtv do live streaming – like a Slingbox ?

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justinh:

bleugh

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justinh:

no

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oobe:

yea that is true not only are the analogue compenents of hybrid tuners cheap and nasty most can only use 1 tuner at once

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k-man:

c00p: and i advise that you don't bother with usb dvb tuners, nor internal ones, just get an HDHomerun or two

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c00p:

do I really want a seperate box – was looking for all in 1 ...

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oobe:

there is no need for a HD homerun

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oobe:

you will find many dvb-t pci and pci-e tuners to choose from

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justinh:

I agree. Unless you *absolutely* need a network tuner, stay away. For one thing they're expensive

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justinh:

and for another thing, there's nothing wrong with PCI tuner cards

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oobe:

check out linuxtv.org

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oobe:

it always needs updating but its a good starting point for choosing hardware

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c00p:

yeh reading it and getting lost with which card I want ...

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oobe:

basically when i buy hardware i start with whats available in shops i would actually use

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justinh:

what I'd do is find out which cards are available to buy where you are, then check the linuxtv.org wiki

[07:36:04]

oobe:

then check its compatability

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c00p:

all I want to do is get HDTV and a composet feed from a satalite box and hopefully be able to stream it around the house – e.g. to my apple tv running xbmc

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justinh:

oobe is smart too :)

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c00p:

is that possible ?

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oobe:

great minds

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justinh:

c00p: then mythtv may not be for you

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c00p:

buggar

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c00p:

nw

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oobe:

it is possible

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oobe:

but livetv is not the prefered way

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oobe:

its better to record a show using a scheduler

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justinh:

sure it's possible, but you'd not be using mythtv optimally

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k-man:

in my experience with usb and pci tuners, i found it hard to get reliable reception and reliable usb. with the usb tuner i had, i found the usb sybsystem would crash from time to time and require a reboot to fix

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justinh:

k-man: sure – it depends on the hardware. some pci cards are just USB devices on a bridge

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k-man:

with the pci and usb tuners, i found reception quality varied across them all, and in the end it was too hard to get all channels recieving correctly on all tuners

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k-man:

once i switched to hdhomerun, all the problems went away

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c00p:

Guess it's not for me – I am not interested in recording show – more keen on being able to watch live TV (sports) where ever I am if I have bandwidth

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k-man:

that's my experience – others may have other experiences that differ

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justinh:

but the HDHR is a very high price premium just to guarantee reception quality

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k-man:

c00p: mythtv is not really what you need then

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oobe:

also bandwidth may be an issue over some networks with HDTV

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justinh:

c00p: live tv is such an artifact from the last century. it's *way* better to record more than you'd ever want to watch & have a real choice of stuff to watch

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k-man:

justinh: true – but once you buy a card and find its not working for you, thats wasted time and money – just get the best and be done with it

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k-man:

i can't tell you how much time and money i wasted on those other tuners fiddling around trying to eek out good reception

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justinh:

HDHR is one heck of a premium product though

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justinh:

KER-CHING!

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k-man:

justinh: yeah, it is, and its rock solid

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c00p:

justinh: But if I just want to stay in my computer room and use one of my multiple displays to show live sport only avaliable from my Pay TV that I only have in another room how do I do that ?

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oobe:

does hd homerun dvb-t work with myth yet

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justinh:

c00p: use er.. something else

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justinh:

oobe: AFAIK it does, yes

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k-man:

oobe: yes floorlessly

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oobe:

cool

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c00p:

rightio ... Will look around to see if there is something better for me then

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k-man:

c00p: i think there is a product called slingbox that might do what you want

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c00p:

yeh it does but wanted to have a linux box that could do it so I could use it to do more

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c00p:

ta

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justinh:

be cheaper to buy a long HDMI cable & distribution amp for HDMI

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c00p:

lol

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justinh:

if *all* you wanna do is show output from a STB in another room. yikes

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oobe:

c00p, for somthing as simple as streaming livetv you should just use vlc

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c00p:

and have the ability to change channel which I have heard people have got working with myth through the serial int

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justinh:

c00p: seriously man, mythtv will be more hassle than it's worth for your use case

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oobe:

it would work over you lan as long as you have the bandwidth and it supports any lirc supported remote

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oobe:

check out vlc

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justinh:

all the value in mythtv is in recorded media IMHO

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justinh:

well recorded/ripped media

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oobe:

yes

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oobe:

totally

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oobe:

i hardly ever watch livetv

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oobe:

infact i only do it to quickly test things on occasion

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justinh:

if you're only after live streaming it's not worth putting the time & effort in IMHO

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oobe:

justinh, i think he should use vlc

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oobe:

c00p, you should use vlc

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oobe:

that is what i think

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oobe:

there is a thread where someone had 2x dual tuners streaming to 4 different displays using vlc

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c00p:

yeh vlc looks simple and effectve

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c00p:

thanks

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oobe:

haiku

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c00p:

http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/how-to . . . t259354.html

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oobe:

it will work on windows or linux

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oobe:

but it will always work better on linux

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c00p:

yup – have used linux for year ...

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oobe:

cause windows is for tards

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c00p:

get paid to do it ...

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c00p:

just never looked at myth etc.

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justinh:

I looked at myth just to be a dumb VCR & accessed recordings via XBMC on an original xbox. I soon found that way too limiting, with just one tuner etc

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oobe:

gl c00p

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c00p:

ta

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justinh:

whee my first paid website commission is up & running :)

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justinh:

thankyou Wordpress.. couldn't have done it without ya. Well I *could* have, but it'd have taken months

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kslater:

wow, so quiet for a release day

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clever:

everybody is too busy waithing on apt-get upgrade to know its borked

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drindt:

my mythweb is running at the backend server, and when i want downloading a movie then it told me: 17403_20100511042900.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host. it seems that its not recognized the storage folder...

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markl_:

is today the day? cool

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markl_:

maybe a lot of people have been using the pre-releases too?

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justinh:

I thought yesterday was the day, according to mythtv.org :)

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wagnerrp:

yesterday was the day it got released

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wagnerrp:

today is the day the unwashed hoards of slashdot descend (or ascend from the basement if thats more appropriate) onto the server

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justinh:

think I'll definitely refrain from reading comments on 'teh sitez'

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wagnerrp:

'boohoo, my AIW 9800 and usb framegrabber are both common as dirt, and not supported by mythtv'

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wagnerrp:

werent the AIW cards comparatively rare anyway?

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justinh:

not rare enough

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justinh:

s/mythtv/linux/ anyway

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wagnerrp:

yeah, he said mythtv

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justinh:

I *hate* how linux's problems become issues with mythtv

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tzanger:

heh

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wagnerrp:

there was someone else complaining about all the text files they had to edit to get mythtv working

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justinh:

yeah blame the app, not the lack of drivers in the OS

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justinh:

I think people go on slashdot just to FUD

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justinh:

spread FUD

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wagnerrp:

well FUD you too

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justinh:

I think it should read the user's mind, and.. predict the future.. and.. make me coffee!

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justinh:

funny thing is, if you wanna do mildly complex stuff with even XBMC, you must dig out a text editor

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justinh:

well, always was the way in the past. dunno if they got rid of the need for that just yet

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tzanger:

justinh: you mean it doesn't do that YET? jesus christ what the hell have you guys been so busy with. honestly I think you're just saying you're working and instead screwing around on youtube

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tzanger:

oh wait that's what my wife syas

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** justinh thought the videos of him screwing weren't around on youtube **

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wagnerrp:

no, youtube deletes that kind of content, so it got put on youporn

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justinh:

yeah that's right, I set up a camcorder & assemble Ikea flat-pack furniture

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tzanger:

haha

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oobe:

yay svn is being hammered

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wagnerrp:

that laundry day youve been putting off suddenly becomes imperative when you put on your last clean pear of underwear

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: inside out

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wagnerrp:

its really not too bad, load average on the server is only 0.5

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wagnerrp:

trac itself is just having issues

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wagnerrp:

trac does not like parallelism, at least not when running with a sqlite database

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stuarta:

trac has been kicked

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johnnyj:

is the issue with trac something that donations could assist with – is its hosting relating?

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johnnyj:

s/ing/ed

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stuarta:

trac is shit

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the server is plenty powerful, the problem is just trac

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stuarta:

we've recently upgraded the server

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wagnerrp:

the wiki is running on the same physical server, and is having no issues what so ever

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johnnyj:

i have friends at a couploe hosting companies and I'm not above pulling in favors

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stuarta:

hosting isn't the issue

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stuarta:

it's trac itself

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stuarta:

gets its knickers in a twist when too many people try and use it simultaneously

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johnnyj:

i've not run it – i've only run svn and usually collabnets RPM's for it

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stuarta:

it's fine with low concurrency

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iamlindoro:

"Can you expect usability from a program, which latest version's most important improvements are "new event system" and "brand new Python bindings"."

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iamlindoro:

what a bunch of d-bags

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johnnyj:

good morning iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Morning

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iamlindoro:

Of course he chooses to ignore the UI (read:usability) stuff

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stuarta:

damn users, bunch of clueless nitwits....

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stuarta:

:-p

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johnnyj:

no good dead goes unpunished

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johnnyj:

deed

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johnnyj:

man I need my pills today

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iamlindoro:

Most demoralizing of all is the fact that the things we've been hammering for the past six month at least (if not a year) are usability and polish issues, with major projects underway addressing consistency and setup

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iamlindoro:

But from reading /. you would think we had just released .21 Mk III

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johnnyj:

iamlindoro: where are you reading this?

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iamlindoro:

/.

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johnnyj:

oh – the comments?

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** j-rod only reads /. comments for laughs **

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j-rod:

people are stupid, film at 11

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johnnyj:

this just in

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j-rod:

"zomg, I used it 3 years ago, and it couldn't wipe my arse for me!"

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j-rod:

-> ergo, rag on it for all eternity

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iamlindoro:

I mean, I think that I am fairly realistic about Myth's shortcomings-- but at least I'm trying to help get something done about it

[10:44:03]

oobe:

i think any software that wipes bottums would be real impressive a guy wrote software that reads brain thoughts and controls wheelchairs for quadraplegics

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j-rod:

complaining is way easier

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johnnyj:

iamlindoro – here here

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johnnyj:

i think many people confuse bitchy with witty

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iamlindoro:

When we get the UI, consistency, and setup stuff worked out, we'll pick up new users-- It's just the mindless, ceaseless complaining about versions two years+ old that is killer

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skd5aner:

I see wagnerrp snuck a comment in there ;)

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johnnyj:

lets just not expect even those new users to be overly positive in their critique either

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skd5aner:

or two

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iamlindoro:

I mean, a guy posted this: http://shishnet.org/ufufuf/inconsistent.png

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iamlindoro:

That's .21 or earlier-- so relevant to .23 how?

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AndyCap:

oh, myth's on slashdot?

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iamlindoro:

Not that I don't agree that screenshot is inconsistent, but MythUI has been in public releases for over a year

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iamlindoro:

er... sorry, six months, two releases

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skd5aner:

hehe, I know it's only a 1, but funny none the less – http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164 . . . cid=32166896

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skd5aner:

ha – the parent is even funnier – http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164 . . . cid=32166834

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skd5aner:

I wish you guys would quit trying to trick me into buying your product, what is this? A subsidiary of "The Video Professor"?

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iamlindoro:

janneg made a good point that simply dropping the preceding 0. would clarify the serial nature of the releases

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skd5aner:

I just love the "marketing department" part of it

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iamlindoro:

I read those as facetious

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iamlindoro:

I don't think any of them were implying that there was a marketing department

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: got a link to the above quote?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt see it in there earlier

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, found it

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MrKeuner:

hello, I cannot see the mouse pointer in mythtv frontend. Is it not supposed to be used?

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wagnerrp:

it is hidden by default

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: the links I just posted above

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wagnerrp:

you have to go into the frontend settings and specify that you want the mouse enabled

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164 . . . cid=32167264

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MrKeuner:

wagnerrp, OK, no problem if I won't need to use it

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MrKeuner:

wagnerrp, will I need to use it?

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wagnerrp:

MrKeuner: no, mythtv is designed to be used with a keyboard or remote

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iamlindoro:

MrKeuner: No, the Myth UI is designed for remote use-- You can run it with a keyboard and run parts of it with a mouse

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MrKeuner:

cool thanks

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janneg:

touchscreen support (which probably increases mouse support) is slowly worked at

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skd5aner:

Ahh, don't worry – /. readers basically think everything sucks, almost all myth users really appreciate what is in .23

[11:00:46]

wagnerrp:

you know... its not worth responding to an AC

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: especially to a comment that's currently rated 0

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wagnerrp:

someone should give this kilbo person a cookie

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: so youre an AC these days now too?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I don't have a /. login

[11:05:05]

wagnerrp:

oh? i thought i remember seeing comments of your name during the 0.22 release

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... Maybe I made one then

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johnnyj:

did we already laugh at http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10/05/11/ . . . cid=32166992 ?

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iamlindoro:

I honestly didn't try my normal login combinations

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johnnyj:

"Basicly I replaced the whole of MythTV with 1000 lines of php and.."

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** skd5aner launches do-release-upgrade, here goes nothing **

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johnnyj:

so instead of helping with myth, which is open source, he writes his own – reminds me of another php dev I know

[11:06:54]

wagnerrp:

yeah, guess i was wrong

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johnnyj:

we should ask him to open his source up

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wagnerrp:

the guy who did the same thing with perl never did

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if i should link in that thread

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iamlindoro:

The truth is MythTV is still the de facto Linux DVR option by virtue of there being nothing that comes close to the feature set-- but that lead is being chipped away in other areas like usability-- the whole being greater than the sum of its parts and all that. If we address the usability/setup issues, even with the current UI, we will have extended that lead by a good deal

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johnnyj:

brb

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iamlindoro:

And to be clear, I think the current UI is getting quite good, just saying even without adding animation/GL effects/all that

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bob___:

I just set ub a mythbuntu (10.04) backend, how do I get flash streaming to work? does it work with live tv?

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wagnerrp:

you have to enable it in mythtv, and no

[11:19:38]

wagnerrp:

it only works with recordings, and it was only intended as experimental

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wagnerrp:

unless someone writes up a patch to do it themselves, flash streaming in mythweb will not support livetv in its current form

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skd5aner:

mbe is up to 10.04, not issues with the upgrade :D

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I don't suppose you know anything about checking python deps in configure?

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wagnerrp:

i could add some code checks to do so, sure

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wagnerrp:

if you want, i could whip up a patch and put it on trac for janneg to review

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Just looking at making MNV not build without the deps

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: But yeah, we probably need them all over-- for the bindings, for MythVideo, etc.

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wagnerrp:

for me, thats MySQLdb and lxml

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wagnerrp:

and for the most part, lxml isnt needed

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iamlindoro:

lxml needed in MNV now

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wagnerrp:

i mean for the base bindings

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I'm just noting it's needed there too

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wagnerrp:

i only use lxml for the wikiscripts stuff

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eniac:

Does mythtv support the scrapping of subtitles automatically ?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

i assume you are asking if it can pull subtitles from off the internet

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eniac:

yes

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eniac:

that's what I'm asking for

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eniac:

since I hate xbmc I want something else

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eniac:

and that's one key feature for me

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can use the subtitles embedded in recordings, or those pulled off the DVD when you ripped it

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: this is all thats really needed for the check... http://pastebin.org/222064

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eniac:

ic, even mythvideo does not support such a feature if I'm correct ?

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo supports external SRT files, yes

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skd5aner:

I think mythweather will build without some it's deps too, but that's perl right?

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wagnerrp:

although its the opinion of the developers that you shouldnt be using those anyway

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Any chance of seeing that in context? (ie, maybe you want to do it for core configure and I can get something figured out for MV and MNV?

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wagnerrp:

just mux in the bitmapped subs when you do your dvd rips

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wagnerrp:

save yourself the (considerable) time necessary to OCR them to SRT

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, looking into just how to pull that off

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wagnerrp:

my configure-fu is not good

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Can you offer any insight on how to add python dep checks to configure?

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iamlindoro:

My googling so far isn't much help

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dougt:

my zbox works great. ignore my comment yesterday/this last weekend.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro, janneg: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8444

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: cool

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sphery:

why do people on /. have to come out to say how terrible MythTV is every time we have a new release

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johnnyj:

and good morning

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sphery:

johnnyj: nice work on the xdg-screensaver stuff!

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johnnyj:

sure thing – I appreciate the on going help with it and the other patches

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sphery:

I made a few minor changes, but none to anything of substance (just logging and got rid of some extra stuff from the X11 "template" you used)

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sphery:

and, in case you didn't notice, it went in last night

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johnnyj:

i did – i got the commit email – thanks

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PeaceKeeper:

Nice work on the new release. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

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sphery:

if you're running trunk, you'll likely have to remove any patch you've applied before svn up'ing

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sphery:

any xdg-screensaver patch that is

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sphery:

then merge any additions after the fact

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** johnnyj isn't running trunk **

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sphery:

cool, then you'll just pick it up when you upgrade

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johnnyj:

or keep my patches

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sphery:

johnnyj: feel free to download the applied changeset and apply it to 0.23-fixes. It should apply cleanly.

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sphery:

then you can test to see which parts of your code I broke.

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johnnyj:

that one was pretty easy compared to this dummy tuner

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sphery:

heh, yeah, that's a bigger one

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johnnyj:

i had it workine and decided I needed to implement it differently and now I'm struggling to get it working again

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sphery:

that just means you're doing it right :)

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johnnyj:

something to do with the way the player for it loads

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dj_segfault:

Hey. I need to do an "emergency upgrade" from Ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 (video problems after a crash). Does the MythTV version in 10.04 use the same API, or am I going to have to upgrade my back end at the same time?

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johnnyj:

great name

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skd5aner:

you will have to upgrade both... 9.10 contains a different version than 10.04

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dj_segfault:

johnnyj: You talking to me? Thanks.

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dj_segfault:

AAHHHHRRRGGG! Ok, thanks.

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dj_segfault:

But they're definitely incompatible?

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skd5aner:

dj_segfault: I'm doing it as we speak, no issues on my end

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sphery:

definitely incompatible

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skd5aner:

yes, the protocol versions have changed

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dj_segfault:

Suckage abounds. Thanks.

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sphery:

and the database schema

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sphery:

and the binary version

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sphery:

(and) protocol is not the most important of the three

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skd5aner:

yea, but would definitely stop myth from going any further if they're out of sync

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dj_segfault:

OK, thanks all.

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skd5aner:

sphery: I made that change to xorg.conf regarding the composite setting

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skd5aner:

sphery: still see the behavior though :(

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sphery:

ah, don't really know anything about vdpau, so I don't have any other suggestions

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skd5aner:

np – the wiki made it sound like it was the solution

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sphery:

skd5aner: IIRC there were also settings in nvidia-settings that--when not set properly in combination with X.org settings--would cause issues.

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johnnyj:

i haven't seen the version mismatch error in a long time – is that a friendly popup?

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sphery:

johnnyj: don't know. I'm going to play with that. I heard it causes a tiny font to get used in the main menus/popup so nothing is readable.

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johnnyj:

oh well you cold copy the timezone mismatch code or we could create a friendly quit popup class

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johnnyj:

if we're gonna be doing more of them

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johnnyj:

possibly a warning on the upgrade too that you'll be needing to do ALL systems if you continue

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johnnyj:

let's face it not everyone does their homework

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janneg:

iamlindoro: check for python module dependencies? I think we check already for python to allow --python=python-3.1415...

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iamlindoro:

janneg: wagnerrp got a ticket up, I'm stealing ideas from it to do the MNV checks-- thanks

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wagnerrp:

janneg: 8444

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: just for you: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164 . . . cid=32171312

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adent:

Hello all

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adent:

I am in the planing stages of setting up my system, does anyone know of any issues with comcast ?

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wagnerrp:

adent: just that comcast is shutting down analog cable

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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adent:

wagnerrp: thanks

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janneg:

wagnerrp: can be solved simpler and without tmp file

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wagnerrp:

sure, i could just <<EOF directly into 'python'

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janneg:

already done

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AndyCap:

congratulations on 0.23. :)

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janneg:

wagnerrp: I think there's no need to print the boilerplate check_py_lib code

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wagnerrp:

whatever you think is best, i was guessing my way through that

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iamlindoro:

Well whatever you guys decide on let me know, since I'm mimicing the code in plugins ;)

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johnnyj:

sphery: i'm looking for a decent tutorial on the gdb

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janneg:

iamlindoro: [24573]

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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sphery:

johnnyj: best I can recommend is http://sourceware.org/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb/ , though it's obviously not a quick read. I really haven't gone through any others, so I don't know of any good ones.

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sphery:

I'm sure there's some out there that would be helpful, though

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johnnyj:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~gilpin/tutorial/ was too brief

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johnnyj:

so thanks, anything is good

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AndyCap:

johnnyj: install archer? :P

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johnnyj:

which is...?

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johnnyj:

swing and a miss with google on Archer

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sphery:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Archer , probably

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AndyCap:

johnnyj: a more c++ friendly branch of gdb. http://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/ProjectArcher

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johnnyj:

interesting – thanks

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johnnyj:

i think the tricky part of working on adding a tuner type is not having an actual tuner present to compare the experience of setup with

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johnnyj:

so im adding debug statements and recompiling

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: So the plugins configure doesn't have all the extra gear to specify a specific python executable-- think I need to port all that over, or think I can just pass it "python" ?

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iamlindoro:

(it works fine that way, just don't know if it's okay)

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wagnerrp:

is any of that stuff compiled into the binary?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux would know

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iamlindoro:

but I think the answer is no

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wagnerrp:

i mean the mythtv binary

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iamlindoro:

in fact, I'm sure it is as all I do is copy over the python files during make install

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wagnerrp:

stuff like '--python=PATH'

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iamlindoro:

nope, not that I'm aware

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wagnerrp:

i mean normally, you would pull that in through the config.mak

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wagnerrp:

but theres no guarantee that it exists when compiling the plugins

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wagnerrp:

i suppose you can just make the assumption that the python executable picked up in the search path is the one you want to use when running the plugins

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Well, here's what I've got http://mythtv.pastebin.com/CS6HvFz3

[14:07:56]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'm just not sure whether hardcoding "python" is okay, though cross-porting all that other stuff seems equally ugly

[14:09:24]

wagnerrp:

oauth? thats a new one

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iamlindoro:

Vimeo has required it since the beginning

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wagnerrp:

hmm... guess ive just not run MNV on this machine

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iamlindoro:

Or just don't care about Vimeo :)

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wagnerrp:

anyway.... xml, urllib, and urllib2 are all first party libraries

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wagnerrp:

they /should/ be installed in a standard python install

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iamlindoro:

Sure-- but can't hurt to test, yeah?

[14:11:32]

wagnerrp:

suppose not

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iamlindoro:

I just don't want to put any insane behavior past our users

[14:12:20]

iamlindoro:

So I'd rather test everything than make assumptions that will surely be wrong with some morons out there

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wagnerrp:

does bourne have bitwise operators

[14:12:49]

iamlindoro:

I'm mostly following the syntax found elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

So for consistency's sake I was doing this

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wagnerrp:

something like 'if not $mythbindings & $pcurl & $plxml & $pxml'....

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wagnerrp:

or maybe just use one variable, rather than multiple

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wagnerrp:

since youre already printing out whats missing

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qfx:

morning

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: There is undoubtedly room for improvement, but if I do it here, I have to do it everywhere else all over this configure

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wagnerrp:

fair enough... syntax should work fine

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wagnerrp:

id change the name of one of the imports just to check

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iamlindoro:

It definitely works, my only reservation was just dumping python in to the check_python_lib

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iamlindoro:

I did

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iamlindoro:

Thanks for having a look

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qfx:

I'm trying to build from tar file for 0.23 and get this error:

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qfx:

Error! QtWebkit headers not found

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wagnerrp:

qfx: then you need to install them

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iamlindoro:

qfx: So you're missing the QtWebKit development libraries

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qfx:

I can find libQtWebkit.so in /usr/lib, or am I looking for the wrong file?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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qfx:

I tried PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH ./configure

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iamlindoro:

it's complaining about headers

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iamlindoro:

not the lib

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wagnerrp:

you may need the 'dev' package instead

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wagnerrp:

libraries are needed to run, headers are needed to compile

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qfx:

Right

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qfx:

OK, I'll check the rpms for the dev package

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: just reading through the email as to what spurned on all this

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I assume you found it :)

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wagnerrp:

i just hadnt checked email yet today

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which... busy day on -users, 77 emails in the past 12 hours

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iamlindoro:

Man, the -users .23 thread has totally derailed

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wagnerrp:

you mean LVM support wasnt added in 0.23?

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hmm... i should put some logic into the python MV scanner to skip VIDEO_TS folders

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wagnerrp:

ooh... problem with the bindings on the list

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wagnerrp:

this is python, i know this

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, obscure Jurassic Park reference FTW

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wagnerrp:

that? obscure?

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iamlindoro:

I think, somewhat

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iamlindoro:

the average person wouldn't know it

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wagnerrp:

whats this 'mythverbose daemon' in the dvb-c cam thread?

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i_is_cat:

i thought she said it was unix based.. i guess i'll have to watch it again

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wagnerrp:

she said 'this is unix, i know this'

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i_is_cat:

ya that sounds like the words that were used

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wagnerrp:

it was some 3D demo file manager SGI whipped up

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wagnerrp:

not actually intended for meaningful use

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i_is_cat:

sure was cool looking for the time however..

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wagnerrp:

it just had the standard POSIX directory structure

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wagnerrp:

rather than the normal A:\ C:\ D:\... of dos/windows

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sphery:

wagnerrp: good question on mythverbose daemon... I couldn't translate what the guy wants/why he can't just log out the required log level and use a log watcher to react

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wagnerrp:

hmm... i dont know this

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wagnerrp:

the official installer works, but thats an issue in ubuntu/mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

no wonder theres so many emails, another ION speculation thread

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emanuelez:

Hello. I have a dual feed sat system, on Astra and Hotbird. I was able to scan both satellites fine and stored everything in channels.conf. When i try to import that in mythtv-setup I get an error "Failed to open: %1". any hint?

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wagnerrp:

'will this ion work any better than the dozens of other identical machines?'

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i_is_cat:

no, if they are *exactly* the same, the ion will work worse

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i_is_cat:

;)

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wagnerrp:

if im escaping a URL, would i want to use '%20' or ' ' for ' '?

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iamlindoro:

the former

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sphery:

why not + ?

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iamlindoro:

I am not aware of + being an acceptable escape for " " ?

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sphery:

in HTTP is is

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wagnerrp:

well i have to escape out a bunch of characters

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wagnerrp:

easier to just handle them all the same

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sphery:

not using some HTTP URI-escaping lib?

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wagnerrp:

seems URL escaping and HTML escaping is different

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wagnerrp:

dont know of one for URIs

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wagnerrp:

i guess i was just using it to escape too late

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sphery:

Yeah, URI's have much stricter requirements

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wagnerrp:

the system wants arguments 'show[]=show1&show[]=show2&show[]=show3&...'

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sphery:

since they don't really have encoding support

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sphery:

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2396.html

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Chiwauwa:

Hi

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wagnerrp:

i was escaping too late, so it was doing so on '[', ']', '=', and '&'

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wagnerrp:

throughly screwing things up

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Chiwauwa:

I've been trying to enable VPDAU for video playing on MythBuntu with the latest updates from 'auto builds'. HD TV works with VPDAU. Mplayer works with VPDAU. I've e.g. added Mplayer for mkv and it works fine, but when I switch it back to 'Internal' it starts to stutter. Any suggestions (if possible) where I enable VPDAU for the internal player/videos e.g. mkv. Thanks ... now been searching a lot on the Internet.

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wagnerrp:

you need to tell it to use one of the three VDPAU playback profiles

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Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp: In TV setting I have the 'high quality VPDAU' profile selected. I can't find a similar setting for videos – on a wiki somewhere it was stated that the tv-settings are used ... but that doesn't seem to be the case.

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wagnerrp:

what card do you have?

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Chiwauwa:

KNC-One DVB-C ... but this .... ohhh, just bought a GT220 ... works perfect in mplayer from the shell or when added as player in the 'File type' section.

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wagnerrp:

the Internal player will use the playback settings you defined

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wagnerrp:

and that card should be powerful enough for the VDPAU high profile

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Chiwauwa:

in TV settings?

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wagnerrp:

playback profiles are global for all uses of the internal player

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Chiwauwa:

Ok, hmmmm. Then something else must be wrong because it is set to high and it does have an impact to the VQ when I select a VPDAU profile ... but maybe not all the hw pieces are utilized

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU is all-or-nothing

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Chiwauwa:

Can I see in the frontend log whether or not it selects the VPDAU? I'll try and get back. Thanks

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iamlindoro:

yes, you can see it in the frontend log

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iamlindoro:

But it may be quicker to let us see the frontend log

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Chiwauwa:

2 sec .. and I will get make a trace

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Chiwauwa:

You want me to try to play an mkv file right

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iamlindoro:

We want you to try to reproduce whatever you think the problem is

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iamlindoro:

A log without any problems wouldn't do us much good

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Chiwauwa:

No no :-)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: "Very cool. Do external players work with SGs yet? " Don't give them false hope that they ever will :)

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FinnTux:

any finnish dvb-t users around?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: was that an adequate response?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, works for me

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wagnerrp:

since technically speaking, any program that can accept a myth:// uri will work right now

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Chiwauwa:

Two log files coming. One with mplayer and one with Internal ... the internal states something about VPDAU

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Chiwauwa:

Mplayer log: http://pastebin.com/SbyCgtHb

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Chiwauwa:

Internal log: http://pastebin.com/hLdMN0Gm

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Chiwauwa:

Thanks

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Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp/iamlindoro: With the Mplayer it works perfect but with the Internal a lot of noise is starting within 5 seconds.

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iamlindoro:

Transformers.2007.HD-DVDRip.1080p.DTS.2DVD.x264-CHD/CHD-Transformers-1080p-DiSC2 .mkv

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iamlindoro:

FAIL

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iamlindoro:

Specifically, you fail, Jakob

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sphery:

where's the whale?

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Chiwauwa:

What what?

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sphery:

He's saying we won't help you play your stolen video

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wagnerrp:

Chiwauwa: we only support legally acquired content

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Chiwauwa:

Ohhh, ok. Fair enough

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wagnerrp:

i can tell you that the Transformers HDDVD works just fine in mythtv

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Chiwauwa:

:-)

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johnnyj:

that sounds like vdpaubuffersize is too small

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johnnyj:

but i'm no expert

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sphery:

johnnyj: remember the "we won't help ... play ... stolen video" ?

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Chiwauwa:

Can you point me to some good test files? I'm just trying to get this HD stuff to work ... haven't played with HD a lot before execpt for my TV stuff

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johnnyj:

ok – i'll avoid even vague help

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johnnyj:

sorry guys

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sphery:

thx

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markl_:

i don't think mplayer works with vdpau

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markl_:

at least, not very well

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johnnyj:

sphery: i got past the segfault with dummytuner and now im getting blank playback – this is progess

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sphery:

great!

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skd5aner:

nice, ubuntu had to make it even harder to install nvidia drivers manually in 10.04- http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidi . . . id-lynx.html

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Wicked:

skd5aner, yea. they switched up the way it handles the nvidia driver...but on the other hand...its a one click install to get the latest nvidia driver.

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skd5aner:

Wicked: via apt?

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dougt:

skd5aner: nice... i wished I saw that a few days ago. :-)

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Wicked:

i have *always* manually installed nvidia drivers myself...and was pissed they did that...but now...i dont mind

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Wicked:

skd5aner, yea.

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Wicked:

you can do it via apt

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Wicked:

or

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dougt:

skd5aner: (for beta drivers)

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Wicked:

system -> admin -> hardware drivers

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skd5aner:

wicked: I don't have those controls, running server build

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dougt:

that does a apt-get of nvidia-common, iirc

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skd5aner:

it's apt or nothing for me

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Wicked:

skd5aner, then why use the nvidia driver at all?

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Wicked:

lol

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skd5aner:

because I still run X and a WM

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

aptitude install nvidia-current'

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Wicked:

:)

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Wicked:

err minus the '

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skd5aner:

it's my frontend, but no need to install the full desktop build if it's only ever going to be FE only

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Wicked:

gotcha

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skd5aner:

but, thanks – I'll keep that in mind, and maybe look at how they're handling nvidia driver changes mid-stream via packages

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skd5aner:

In the meantime, I'll blacklist the stuff, and try that way

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skd5aner:

thanks

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Wicked:

im not sure how they are doing the new nvidia stuff. i just know it woudl not allow me to manually install

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Wicked:

id personally use the apt ones...if your having to blacklist modules and stuff to manually install the nvidia drivers...chances are it will bite you in the butt somewhere down the road.

[15:58:51]

Wicked:

but having said this....good luck and let me know

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Wicked:

:)

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skd5aner:

Not sure I would ever need the vga16fb, nouveau (open source nvidia module), rivafb, nvidiafb, or rivatv. I mean, most of those are framebuffers anyway

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Wicked:

ah. i only glanced over that article when i 1st saw it....noticed it was having you blacklist things(didnt really even look at what) and decided...ill just stick with the provided ones from apt

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skd5aner:

btw, just got done and the article did fix the issue and succesfully installed the drivers

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skd5aner:

yea, if you are comfortable with apt, and it meets your needs, then great! But, in the past they've not responded in a timely enough fashion with the version of the nvidia drivers they had for a release

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skd5aner:

maybe that's changed, I don't know

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Wicked:

yea. i agree....and that was my major reason in the past for using the nvidia drivers....nothing kept up with releases.

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johnnyj:

so we add the "file:" just to remove it in mpegrecorder.cpp ? nice

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skd5aner:

ok, found a problem with the 10.04 upgrade, HD-PVR won't init and mythbackend won't launch... let's see what mythtv-setup has to say

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Greek-Boy:

skd5aner is that when going to 0.23 fixes?

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skd5aner:

I was already on .23-fixes

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skd5aner:

this was upgrading from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04

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** sphery recommends the "Delete all capture cards" approach **

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sphery:

of course no one in the thread saying that 0.23 is broken because "all I did was upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 and now none of my capture devices work" will actually take the 30s to do that

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skd5aner:

sphery: say it ain't so

[16:25:01]

sphery:

so I can't guarantee it will work

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sphery:

skd5aner: 30s

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sphery:

delete all capture cards

[16:25:12]

sphery:

create capture cards

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sphery:

connect inputs

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sphery:

done

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sphery:

no channels, no listings, ... affected at all

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sphery:

no recording rules affected...

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skd5aner:

Will do

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sphery:

and connect inputs in order :)

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sphery:

but you've been there before :)

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skd5aner:

a few times

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skd5aner:

It's interesting – all the cards in my MBE worked fine after the distro upgrade, but interestingly enough the HD-PVR is the one that failed... will do delete all

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skd5aner:

ps... HD-PVR was on SBE

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sphery:

hostnames/ip's still the same?

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sphery:

and the distro didn't change "localhost" to "localhost.localdomain" or anything (with whatever name)

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qfx:

Has anyone gotten audio out of a gforce n210?

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qfx:

(via hdmi)

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skd5aner:

sphery /etc/hosts /etc/hostname are both identical

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skd5aner:

before and after

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skd5aner:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/mCkLsN86

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skd5aner:

going to do delete all now, just have to takecare of a few things first

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sphery:

skd5aner: but if hostname itself returns different info (which it can depending on config), it will affect mythtv

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sphery:

but delete all will probably fix it

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Brad-D:

hey guys, i upgraded to .23, and i don't seem to be able to play recordings anymore. I click on one, and it says "Please wait..." and just hangs on infinity. I'm sure it's some kind of pilot error, but any suggestions on where to look?

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iamlindoro:

logs :)

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skd5aner:

ahhh, I see what the problem was (I think)... the card was original /dev/video0, now it's /dev/video1

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: i looked at the mythfrontend -v all log, and the last two rows are: Construct FD_SET, Waiting on select...

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johnnyj:

sphery: so live tv is blank screen but if I go play them back as recordings they have content

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Brad-D:

the other thing that i haven't seen before in the mythbackend logs is a bunch of these: "Updated pathname '':'' -> '1533_20100511161518.mpg'" for the different files i click on

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: Pastebinning the logs is probably going to be faster than trying to talk you through all the things you could look for

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Brad-D:

okay, will do :)

[16:41:38]

Brad-D:

iamlindoro: for mythfrontend.log, is there a verbosity level that you recommend? I don't want to overwhelm you with -v all

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iamlindoro:

normal verbosity is likely to be fine

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: this is packaged, or self compiled myth?

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Brad-D:

self compiled

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iamlindoro:

And you rm'ed the .22 libs, right?

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cipher42:

anybody know how to update my backend db for 10.04

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Brad-D:

i don't think so, i just followed the svn fedora guide. i assumed that "make install" would overwrite everything?

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: ls -l /usr/{,local/}lib/{mythtv,libmyth*} /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv

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iamlindoro:

run that, to a pastebin, please

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Heh, getting a lot of mileage out of the tongue-in-cheek "Just don't OCR your subtitles, then" line, I see ;)

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wagnerrp:

(i actually dont know how to pull the raw bitmapped ones out)

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wagnerrp:

i only ever bothered to OCR once on Letter from Iwo Jima

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/FqxUaEKT

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: See, now that's what you *don't* want, all those naughty .22 libs ;)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: youre getting these emails PDQ for not even being subscribed

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: it seems that legacy libs cause a lot of problems, is it possible in the future that myth could automatically check for them and wipe them out if they exist during an installation?

[16:49:04]

iamlindoro:

Anything's possible, patches welcome :)

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: ahh excellent. any tips on how to get rid of them? Did i miss this in the install docs?

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: rm /usr/local/lib/libmyth*

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iamlindoro:

then do make install again

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iamlindoro:

then restart all myth processes

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johnnyj:

i do 'sudo rm -rf /usr/local/lib/*myth*' and 'sudo rm -rf /usr/local/include/*myth*'

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Brad-D:

cool, thanks

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** wagnerrp uses 'su' like a big boy... :P **

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: Youch, that's asking for trouble

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** skd5aner is lazy and uses sudo -i **

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iamlindoro:

We don't have the linux monopoly on the word "myth" you know

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johnnyj:

well then I'm in trouble

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cipher42:

yea that's just a myth

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markl_:

doh

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cipher42:

boom chick

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: not sure if you saw my question earlier... thoughts?

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iamlindoro:

What question?

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skd5aner:

<skd5aner> iamlindoro: it seems that legacy libs cause a lot of problems, is it possible in the future that myth could automatically check for them and wipe them out if they exist during an installation?

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iamlindoro:

iamlindoro: Anything's possible, patches welcome :)

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: thats what a 'make uninstall' is for

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: exactly... I do the same, but it appears a lot of people either don't keep their source around or don't run make uninstall

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: worked! thanks again

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skd5aner:

I run make uninstall everytime, but... users are lazy

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wagnerrp:

i actually HAVE to uninstall to get mythtv to build properly on bsd

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wagnerrp:

although apparently decke has a fix for that

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: np

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dustybin:

when i press pause, the audio still plays, if i do some forwarding etc, then press play, it takes a while for the audio to catch up, i just compiled latest .23 today

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AndyCap:

oh, crikey, someone has rewritten myth in 1000 lines of php too

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: yeah, even better than the 1700 lines of perl

[16:59:09]

wagnerrp:

obviously php is a better language

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AndyCap:

it must be

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johnnyj:

yeah it's loosely typed and therefore more awesome

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AndyCap:

not so say lossy typed

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Brad-D:

wow arclight is really flipping cool

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wagnerrp:

CDPAU, thats a new one

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: Glad you like it, all I seem to hear about it are complaints ;)

[17:13:15]

Brad-D:

meh, people are losers. There are 10 other themes to use if they don't like it

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skd5aner:

Brad-D: make sure you up your resolution so it's not so pixelated!

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skd5aner:

;)

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Brad-D:

for me arclight is my new choice :)

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AndyCap:

looking forward to 0.23. wonder if my hardware will be able to keep up

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Brad-D:

i think it may not look quite as good as it could, as my resolution is only 1024–768. but i still like it better than the others :)

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wagnerrp:

its no more demanding than 0.22

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johnnyj:

isnt it actually less ?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, mostly concerned about gl performance. but I'll find out if my board's up to it when I upgrade.

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wagnerrp:

what board?

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AndyCap:

intel G45

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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wagnerrp:

intel chips have never been particularly powerfu;l

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skd5aner:

Brad-D: I was just kidding about the "pixelated" comment – just ribbing iamlindoro as that's one of those FAQs he hates hearing

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skd5aner:

:)

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Brad-D:

haha, yeah that would get old fast, i bet

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iamlindoro:

I was fine with it the first couple hundred times

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AndyCap:

hmm, i see they are getting va-api support for it closer

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iamlindoro:

Heh, phoronix got the updated release announcement: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI0MQ

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iamlindoro:

(and I knew outlining .24 was a good idea)

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johnnyj:

you should watermark with with 'this space intentionally left pixelated'

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AndyCap:

johnnyj: is that the adult version?

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johnnyj:

riiiiight....

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skd5aner:

sphery: Had a PVR-250 and the HD-PVR hooked up the SBE, after the upgrade they switched /dev/video0 and /dev/video1. Kind of funny, because some of the settings for audio input for the HD-PVR were specific to a PVR-*50 card before deleting it and re-adding ;)

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sphery:

skd5aner: cool, glad you got it sorted

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johnnyj:

sphery: buh _ i think the livetv issue is b/c im using the dummychannel that the impoirt tuner uses

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sphery:

once you realize what's wrong, you can fix it without delete all capture cards, but I'm of the opinion that it's usually faster to recreate capture cards than to figure out what's wrong :)

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johnnyj:

i need to not use that I bet

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sphery:

yeah, pretty sure the dummy tuner needs normal channels

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sphery:

at least it always did when I used it

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sphery:

johnnyj: so, we have the first confirmed bug on the xdg-screensaver support--it doesn't work with KDE4

[18:05:32]

johnnyj:

no sh1t ?

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johnnyj:

i wonder why not

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sphery:

and it looks like it may never work with KDE4 (and, funny enough, the freedesktop screensaver dbus interface)

[18:05:54]

sphery:

it's a bug in xdg-screensaver--not your code

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sphery:

basically, freedesktop--the maintainers of xdg-screensaver--created an interface for all screensaver programs to adopt that uses DBus, but does so in such a way that a program like xdg-screensaver can't do the suspending for a different app

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johnnyj:

screensaving seems so simple

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sphery:

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26085 that is the bug

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sphery:

CVS version fixed the easily noticeable issue--that on every xdg-screensaver resume, the screensaver is activated immediately

[18:07:42]

johnnyj:

i've ran kde4 – isnt it a little hefty for mythtv anyway?

[18:07:59]

sphery:

but it sounds like the new code won't ever actually inhibit the screensaver

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sphery:

(because xdg-screensaver runs and says, "Inhibit screensaver", but then it exits, and--since the DBus Inhibit says it will stop inhibiting once the calling process ends, it's not inhibited

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johnnyj:

oh

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sphery:

so I'm just going to disable xdg-screensaver for KDE users--meaning that we once again have no support for KDE screensaver :)

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johnnyj:

ah so for kde4 using dbus we should call dbus directly

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johnnyj:

since it's our process that will not be ending

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

but that means a new ScreenSaverDBUS or ScreenSaverFreedesktop class

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sphery:

and removes /all/ benefit of using xdg-screensaver

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johnnyj:

there's no usecase for xdg ?

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johnnyj:

is dbus always available?

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sphery:

no, just saying that if we still have to have multiple different approaches for disabling screensaver depending on which screensaver is running and which desktop/environment/...

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sphery:

the whole point of xdg-screensaver is to make those decisions and handle everything for you

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sphery:

so xdg-screensaver itself is made useless by freedesktop's left hand not knowing what its right hand was doing

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johnnyj:

ok – well I suppose i can put a dbus screensaver class on my back burner

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johnnyj:

is that what you suggest?

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skd5aner:

sphery: no problem, gave me an excuse to get rid of my virtual tuners. For my use case, caused more problems than they solved for (primarily Live TV). I have enough physical tuners that it's usually not an issue

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sphery:

johnnyj: I don't think it's worthwhile at this point

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sphery:

let's see if stuartm confirms it doesn't work with KDE

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johnnyj:

wouldn't it depend on the screensaver in use, again?

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sphery:

wouldn't what?

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johnnyj:

nm

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sphery:

seems kde-screensaver won't work with xdg-screensaver, but it's possible there's something in current CVS

[18:25:43]

sphery:

he's testing the new version

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johnnyj:

i have to run though

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johnnyj:

I'll check in tomorrow

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sphery:

the whole point of adding the code you wrote, though, was so we could finally remove all of screensaver-x11

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sphery:

So I'm hoping we can get a workable solution

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johnnyj:

i'm open to adding to it or re-writing – no problem

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johnnyj:

seeya tomorrow though

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sphery:

It may involve first trying to execute /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/mythtv-screensaver and then going to xdg-screensaver

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sphery:

would make distros happy (they can include their own script)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: FWIW, python-oauth2 has a dependency on httplib2, which has a function urlencode() -> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/httplib2/0.6.0 + http://code.google.com/p/httplib2/ (I can't find the docs for urlencode() , but it seems it does proper encoding)

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sphery:

so if you're doing a new thing that needs URI-encoding support, using that wouldn't be bad since oath2 (and, therefore, httplib2) is a prereq for MNV

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sphery:

ah, wait, it seems urlencode() is from urllib

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iamlindoro:

which is also an MNV pre-req :)

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sphery:

ah, there... :)

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sphery:

and I'm wondering if it doesn't come with Python, anyway (as I never installed it, but MNV configure didn't complain that I was missing it)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp suggested earlier that it does

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iamlindoro:

I countered that I would rather check each thing as you cannot underestimate the crazy of users

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sphery:

yeah, I'm checking for core modules in Perl, too

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sphery:

besides, packagers break things up for users

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iamlindoro:

like frontends and backends? :)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

So, I'm wondering why--if urllib and urllib2 exist as part of Python, there's a http://pypi.python.org/pypi/urllib3 and http://pypi.python.org/pypi/urllib4

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sphery:

I'll never understand Python

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wagnerrp:

urllib is in python, oauth is not

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sphery:

right, but urllib is where urlencode (really) is

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wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

I thought urlencode was in httplib2

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sphery:

but it's not

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sphery:

the oath has no relevance since it's not httplib2

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wagnerrp:

i actually just did '&'.join(['show[]=%s' % urllib.quote(show) for show in shows])

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mythtimelord:

So I recently set up a remote frontend using an AT3N7A-I micro itx mobo and got it running with the .23-fixes branch with mythbuntu. When i try and play anything weather it is from mythvideo, livetv or a recorded tv show I experience major "prebuffering pause" errors. I have checked the wiki page on these errors and unfortunately these solutions did not work in this case. I then network mounted my backend's videos and attempted to

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sphery:

mythtimelord: IRC has a maximum line length, and you exceeded it at "attempted to"

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sphery:

so no one can see what came next

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mythtimelord:

oh snap >_>

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mythtimelord:

play one outside myth using VLC, and I did see pauses at similar intervals though i did not run VLC from the terminal. The fact that I am seeing these errors outside myth leads me, perhaps erroneously, to believe that there is a linux setting that I am missing that is causing this instead of a myth setting, I am however at a loss as to what setting

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mythtimelord:

that might be. Does anyone have an idea on what may be causing this?

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sphery:

are you sure your system has the resources required to do what you're asking? play back the video, use the network to receive the video, ...

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mythtimelord:

I believe it should the mobo is supposed to be able to handle 1080p and i'm not going above broadcast resolution on anything at the moment, and I am able to stream the content to other computers on my network without issue

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oobe:

2 things you could do to test copy one of the files locally and try to playback

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oobe:

if you get the same problem then it is some kinda of playback configuration issue i.e drivers etc.

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lotia:

greetings all. long time mythtv user in the us using atsc. any uk users on? i'm wondering about dvb-s2 cards etc.

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lotia:

currently use hdhomeruns, any equivalents on the dvb-s2 side?

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mythtimelord:

i can give that a shot

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coffee412:

Evidently I have to change the path to lirc in the frontend of Mythtv. Does anyone know where this is in the frontend?????

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lotia:

also the m-card compliant hdhomerun, i'm guessing no support at all for linux?

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sphery:

coffee412: LIRC Daemon Socket in Utilities/Setup|Setup|General settings

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coffee412:

sphery: Thank you so much!

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: Ok, finally broke down and ordered FiOS TV HD today... Install on the 28th. ;-)

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coffee412:

J-e-f-f-A : Where do you live? I would love to have fios instead of my directtv/comcast deal.

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coffee412:

Gotta leave. Thanks sphery for helping. Made the change and hopefully wife will quit nagging me.

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J-e-f-f-A:

coffee412 Boston area

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Wicked:

im just south of boston and im looking into fios......looked on the site a couple weeks back and it said i was able to fios tv,inet, and phone...but now when i check its only phone and internet...i wonder why they changed.

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Wicked:

as the triple play combo was pretty much the deciding factor on switching

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Beirdo:

call them and ask

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Beirdo:

what do we know? :)

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Wicked:

hehe

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Wicked:

yea i do need to call them and find out.

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Wicked:

would love me some fiber :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: yeah, I"ve got 15/2 now, but after the switch I jump to 35/35!!!! That's "Wicked"!

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Wicked:

ah nice!

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Beirdo:

heh

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Wicked:

i was looking at getting the "middle" plan. had 25/25 inet fios tv and phone...

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Beirdo:

I think they should market 24/7

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Wicked:

hehe

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

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Beirdo:

jsut to mess with people's heads

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J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: when you add the movie pkg, it goes up to 35

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Wicked:

very nice.

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Beirdo:

shuddup :) I can't get FIOS in Seattle

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Wicked:

i hope their website is being dumb...and that i can get the triple play deal...

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Beirdo:

I have to make do with 7MBit DSL

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Wicked:

right now. my 3mbit dsl envies your 7mbit

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J-e-f-f-A:

and Ill bet they didn't have it i PR either... hehehe

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highzeth:

I feel you pain, our farm is located 100meter from one of the main transport nets connecting south & northern .no. Getting a termination job there, yikes, the costs.

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Beirdo:

yeah, no FIOS in PR last I heard of

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** Beirdo needs a cigar **

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wagnerrp:

well im sure you have at least the one line to the island

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wagnerrp:

arecebo probably has a pretty fat trunk all on their own

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Beirdo:

hehe, there are at least two or three fiber runs to Florida

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Beirdo:

not my problem anymore

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Beirdo:

ain't gonna lose anymore equipment to that crappy power grid either

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Beirdo:

I'm getting mighty mad at virtualbox right now

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Beirdo:

it's insisting on spinlocking instead of using the real pthreads lib in this virtualbox instance

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wagnerrp:

everyone likes spinlocks, especially batteries

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fugdnscerd:

hey guys upgrading from trunk pre 0.23 release to current trunk... anything i need to do for the db or will it be taken care of automatically

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Beirdo:

but only for ONE of my two programs with nearly identical core code

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Beirdo:

I don't get it

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wagnerrp:

fugdnscerd: all handled automatically

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fugdnscerd:

thankx

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fugdnscerd:

*thanks

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sphery:

Any KDE users here?

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Beirdo:

not me

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sphery:

just need someone to run a very quick command for me

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** Beirdo kubuntus sphery upside the head **

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sphery:

specifically: dbus-send --session --dest=org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver --type=method_call --print-reply --reply-timeout=2000 /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.SimulateUserActivity

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Beirdo:

this is taking FOREVER to bootup.

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sphery:

Yeah, was hoping I wouldn't have to download 700MB and burn a CD just to do it

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Beirdo:

I tried virtualbox with nosmp maxcpus=1 on the kernel boot line

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sphery:

guess it makes sense to do it, though

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Beirdo:

and I forgot, I need the utils built for the new kernel. heh

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sphery:

does normal Ubuntu have KDE also on it or do I have to get Kubuntu?

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Wicked:

sphery, you can install it from normal ubuntu

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Wicked:

but if your planning on only using kde...u should just get kubuntu

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sphery:

Wicked: Thanks... I'm not planning on really using either--just planning to boot it to run some kde-specific tests/fix a xdg-screensaver to work with KDE.

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sphery:

So I guess Kubuntu is the way to go

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Wicked:

ah

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Beirdo:

likely so, alas

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sphery:

wagnerrp: some things fake it by sending a bunch of different "files" each with 5min length

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sphery:

or 1-min or whatever

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squish102:

i am going blank. what should i google for? i cannot remember the command to do the following: i have booted livecd, i will mount HD, then i want to "...." so it looks like the hd is my enviroment... eg /root is /root on HD and not livecd

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sphery:

chroot?

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squish102:

THANKS

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GrahamIRC:

lol, is it late there squish?

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squish102:

you know, i was going crazy and googling all kinds of things... i just couldnt remember

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squish102:

i'm so scared of messing up my mythbuntu 9.04, that i am building a like machine and trying to get the important OS files onto it, so that I can test what the upgrade is going to do to my main fe/be

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dick-richardson:

what command does mythtv use when ripping a dvd in 'perfect'? I'd like to duplicate it on a stand alone machine

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sphery:

It actually has its own code that rips the DVD

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sphery:

there are other apps out there you can use

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sphery:

anything from dd to purpose-build DVD ripping apps

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dick-richardson:

sphery: I'm seeing quite a few, just none that are giving me a single .vob file – not a huge deal I can just dd the thing

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sphery:

Perfect should give you an ISO, not a VOB

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dick-richardson:

Ultimately I'd like a single, uncompressed, file with the main title w/o css

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dick-richardson:

perfect gives a .vob – there's an image option that gives an .iso I believe

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wagnerrp:

perfect can give you an iso or vob

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wagnerrp:

(i think)

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wagnerrp:

i know there is some option to give an unaltered vob

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Beirdo:

how about imperfect?

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dick-richardson:

it's that unaltered .vob file I'm after

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sphery:

I don't do DVD's in Myth, so I'm sure I'm wrong.

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sphery:

I just thought Perfect was ISO and then Good was unaltered VOB

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wagnerrp:

dick-richardson: if you want the unaltered vob, youll get half a dozen of em

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sphery:

and then from there it went to transcoded versions

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dick-richardson:

wagnerrp: has that changed? I have a collection of 45+ movies that are all single .vob files in the 4–9GB range

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wagnerrp:

DVDs do not contain files larger than 1GB in size

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, youll have to concatenate them together

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dick-richardson:

wagnerrp: mythtv did that for me – it's that functionality that I'm after

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Beirdo:

why do I actually feel like exercising?!

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Beirdo:

what the heck is wrong with me?

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Beirdo:

just have to lie down and hope the feelng goes away!

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

this is even worse!

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Beirdo:

now it's idling at 70%+ CPU

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Beirdo:

heh

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PeaceKeeper:

Been reading the changesets for libmythui-osd. Sounds pretty cool.

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PeaceKeeper:

Will the OSD be usable outside live tv too? (is confused)

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wagnerrp:

i believe so

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wagnerrp:

i believe that is what mythui has been waiting on for implementing the video and text popup widgets

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wagnerrp:

replacement for 'mythtvosd'

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PeaceKeeper:

That would be a very nice addition. If a OSD could be used outside live tv (maybe even on menus) an plugin could be written to take advatage of that

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PeaceKeeper:

I am thinking like Server Weather Warnings and other notifications like that

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skd5aner:

"Alabama residents were taking a "wait and see" approach to tar balls that washed up on the shore of a popular local beach on Dauphin Island, which government officials have not yet confirmed were linked to the spill."

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skd5aner:

a different kind of tarball :/

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PeaceKeeper:

:(

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RobertLaptop:

This driving me crazy. I had a working lirc_i2c under mythubutu 8.04 then I upgraded to 9.10/10.4 and mythdora 12.23 and it isn't even getting detected.

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wagnerrp:

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164 . . . cid=32174540

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bcgrown:

hello MythPeople

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen MythPeople

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MythLogBot:

MythPeople has not been seen here

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bcgrown:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

(sorry, couldn't resist!)

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cesman:

MythPeople... Isn't that the social networking plugin? ;)

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wagnerrp:

its for people into wizards and witchcraft

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wagnerrp:

they go out into the woods dressed in medieval garb, and cast spells on each other

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** bcgrown resists the urge to make a "robe and wizard hat" joke **

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wagnerrp:

oh, you like to play dress up?

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wagnerrp:

heh... its registered

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bcgrown:

for the last 8 years or so i imagine

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TypoNAM:

is mythplugins 0.23 broken for anybody else under the "stable" SVN repository?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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wagnerrp:

got a compile error you can pastebin?

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TypoNAM:

I keep running into errors such as 'kEventType' is not a member of 'DialogCompletionEvent'

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wagnerrp:

compiling against old headers?

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TypoNAM:

svn update: At revision 24596.

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you didn't install myth before trying to compile plugins

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TypoNAM:

I haven't had to install before in 0.22... :/

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iamlindoro:

yes, you did

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iamlindoro:

you have forever and ever and ever

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iamlindoro:

mythplugins have always compiled against the installed copy of myth, since there were mythplugins

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TypoNAM:

hmmm

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TypoNAM:

indeed installing mythtv 0.23 and then compiling mythplugins 0.23 fixed it. Strange how I was able to just compile mythtv and mythplugins 0.22 and then doing a make install via checkinstall later :P

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