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Wednesday, May 12th, 2010, 00:01 AST

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mcl0vin:

howdy folks

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mcl0vin:

anyone got audio sync issue

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wagnerrp:

running pulse audio?

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mcl0vin:

well i thinks i am the one causing the issue

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wagnerrp:

does this only happen in livetv?

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: i couldn't get audio out of the box

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wagnerrp:

well thats not audio-sync, thats just broken audio

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: you are right

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mcl0vin:

audio in is good , but i can't get it in my amp

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wagnerrp:

you know its recording properly?

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wagnerrp:

you can take a recording, and play it without problems on a second computer on which the audio works?

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mcl0vin:

yes

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wagnerrp:

analog or digital output?

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mcl0vin:

and while watching live tv, if i plug head phone , i can hear on one side

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mcl0vin:

i am using wintv-hnr-1600 card

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wagnerrp:

if you only hear one side of a pair of headphones, its because your headphones are broken, or you dont have them plugged in all the way

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wagnerrp:

since youre using headphones, i assume youre using analog output?

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: [wall-coax] going to STB , from STB s-video to my WinTv-HVR-1600, then for the Audio i am taking it from STB RCA to Audio -in in my WinTv-HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

output... output...

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wagnerrp:

you already said the recordings were fine

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: my headphones are just fine , i use them all the time, they are for my itouch

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: , oh shoot, now i listen to it closely , its only one channel

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wagnerrp:

so no problem then?

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mcl0vin:

i only listen on the left channel

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mcl0vin:

left speaker

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wagnerrp:

so the headphones are broken?

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mcl0vin:

no

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: this is what i am using for audio http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en& . . . 0CEsQ8gIwBA#

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mcl0vin:

you there

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wagnerrp:

plugged into the green port on your sound card?

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mcl0vin:

yes

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wagnerrp:

have you checked the audio levels in alsamixer?

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mcl0vin:

there is alot of controls and i can't seem to overlay the mixer with my frontend

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wagnerrp:

you have a keyboard plugged in?

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mcl0vin:

yes

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mcl0vin:

i still didn't setup my remote or channel changer

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wagnerrp:

ctrl+alt+f1

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mcl0vin:

ok,and

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wagnerrp:

login as the same user as you were before

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wagnerrp:

and run alsamixer

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mcl0vin:

ok

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mcl0vin:

hold on

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wagnerrp:

to get back, you probably want alt+f7 or alt+f8

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: but how do i change the values please

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wagnerrp:

arrow keys

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mcl0vin:

not working for me

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mcl0vin:

like i want to increase from 70% to 80% for example

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k-man:

nice work on getting .23 out the door

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wagnerrp:

its been ready for a month, its been waiting on external stuff

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k-man:

i knew it was more or less ready as I've been using the RCs – but what was it waiting on?

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wagnerrp:

stuff out of our control

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wagnerrp:

logistical issues

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

i see

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wagnerrp:

so flash is getting SOC now

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k-man:

SOC?

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what that will mean to linux which has no support for SOC

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wagnerrp:

selective output control

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wagnerrp:

i.e. HDCP only

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k-man:

oh... that

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k-man:

hmmm... that is nasty

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[R]:

wagnerrp: more stuff that wont work on linux!

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wagnerrp:

i mean honestly... who cares

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wagnerrp:

are there actually people concerned that someone is going to set up a fake X server to capture video coming out of flash, just for the purposes of capturing some crude, low bitrate, low quality video?

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: forget the audio

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wagnerrp:

basically, that means any monitor older than 2–3yrs is worthless for flash

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mcl0vin:

i will play with it over the weekend

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wagnerrp:

and any tvs from about the same time

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: can you help me setup the remote please

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wagnerrp:

i dont really have experience with LIRC

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wagnerrp:

my remote driver came with all the IR codes baked in

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wagnerrp:

and i just pulled someone elses lircrc to start from

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wagnerrp:

and that was all several years ago

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: my screen got those two letter box ( two black vertical lines, kinda scqueezing the picture

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wagnerrp:

youre viewing 4:3 content on a 16:9 display... thats just what happens

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: but it is the same screen, and when i watch it from stright cbl its fine

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wagnerrp:

you have a widescreen tv?

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mcl0vin:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and this is widescreen content?

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wagnerrp:

your cablebox is letterboxing it for fullscreen standard definition output

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: well it keep changing between commercial commercial

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wagnerrp:

and then it is getting pillar boxed when you display it back on a widescreen display

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mcl0vin:

no fox40 is running that

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wagnerrp:

press 'w' to cycle though myth's zoom modes

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mcl0vin:

this zoom not 16:9

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mcl0vin:

right

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mcl0vin:

is my WinTv-HVR-1600 consider to be an lirc remote

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wagnerrp:

you have the one with RCA audio inputs?

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mcl0vin:

oh the capture card...no without RCA

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wagnerrp:

yes, the IR input on the hvr-1600 should work with lirc

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wagnerrp:

there are two versions of the 1600, the one with RCA audio inputs does not have an IR input

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mcl0vin:

mine came with a cable with to IR sensors and at the end where it plugs it looks like 3.5mm audio jack

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mcl0vin:

it's like a Y cable 1)IR Transmitter(Blaster) and the 2nd is Receiver

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mcl0vin:

ans i don't know how to set them up

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wagnerrp:

you want the 'hauppauge' module for lirc

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wagnerrp:

and you want to search for someones lircrc config for a 'hauppauge gray'

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mcl0vin:

ok

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: how do i exit that zoom screen

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mcl0vin:

please

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wagnerrp:

'w' cycles through all available modes

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wagnerrp:

and 'esc' terminates playback

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sulx:

hmm anyone getting galleryutil.cpp:469:50: error: ‘MythGetPixelAspectRatio’ was not declared in this scope

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sulx:

23 fixes

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achew22:

I was just on mythtv.org and it says that new in .23 is "Blu-ray disc and disc structure playback" but there isn't any more information in the release notes. Does anyone have a commit number or link to a ticket or something?

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highzeth:

achew22: you should read the 2nd paragraph one more time, nowhere does it say that is implemented in .23

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achew22:

Oh! on .24. Gotcha!

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achew22:

I very much misread that one. Sorry.

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highzeth:

=)

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stuartm:

sulx: you shouldn't be seeing that with -fixes, a broken trunk maybe

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stuartm:

it relates to a change made only in trunk

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sulx:

yea...first tough galleryutil.cpp is wrong but then found out that util.h is really missing that function

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stuartm:

sulx: mis-matched plugins/libs

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sulx:

removed svn checkout and redownloaded and now its correct

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stuartm:

I forgot to bump the api version for that commit

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EvilGuru_:

My system currently runs Mythbuntu 9.04 (0.21) — how hard would it be to bring it up to modern standards?

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EvilGuru_:

I've had bad experience with upgrades in the past

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Dassu:

hard is a relative term. personally I wouldnt waste my time on things that i dont need

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EvilGuru_:

Well, some of the distributions which I run the frontend on are dropping Qt3 support and 0.21 with it, so I am in some respects being forced to

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bjd:

mmm

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bjd:

if you back up the debs and the database I'd thought it'd be fairly easy to rollback

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EvilGuru_:

bjd: I'd kind of like to install fresh (I keep the recordings on another partition and the database on another system)

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stuartm:

EvilGuru_: it shouldn't be hard at all, but that said, we don't have the power to see the future and no-one can guarantee that you won't run into some corner case bug because you have that odd combination of hardware/software

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EvilGuru_:

I have some time in June so I'll give it a ago

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bjd:

Personally, I'd JFDI.

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bjd:

altho I'd use ubuntu and not mythbuntu

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EvilGuru_:

Is there a big difference? As my current system was ubuntu => aptitude install mythbuntu

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EvilGuru_:

(I wanted LVM so had no real option but to go for an alt-ubuntu install)

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stuartm:

EvilGuru_: the hardware requirements of 0.23 are to some extent higher than they were for 0.21 (as is the nature of software advances), so don't leap blindly

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EvilGuru_:

stuartm: It is a reasonable system, 2.4 Core 2 and 9600GT

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stuartm:

mostly memory which is used by fancy themes containing/displaying lots of images

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stuartm:

cpu usage may actually have declined

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EvilGuru_:

With any luck there will be VDPAU support somewhere

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justinh:

can hardly believe I'm now a full 2 versions behind

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stuartm:

EvilGuru_: since 0.22

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stuartm:

justinh: you dirty laggard

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justinh:

sad to report I have no pressing need to upgrade. everything just works & I can get by without any new features

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EvilGuru_:

VDPAU may be nice if I ever get around to Freesat

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justinh:

I won't be banking on hardware decoding if/when I ever get HD

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justinh:

throw cpu cycles at it, have a big noisy fugly box in the cupboard under the stairs, run HDMI etc in from the livingroom :)

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pak0:

hi all people, good morning

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pak0:

i think i finally found the problem with my dvb-t and af9015 chipset

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oobe:

look http://www.screenjunkies.com/category/free-tags/dexxxter

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oobe:

i didnt notice dexter marketing using puns

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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KeeperoftheKeys:

Hi

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KeeperoftheKeys:

I think I ran into a bug with the script/binary that handles "Scan for Changes" in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

cant help you if you dont explain your problem

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stuartm:

script, cute

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wagnerrp:

well jamu and the python bindings are both scripts that perform scanning

[08:41:45]

wagnerrp:

but considering the (very limited) text string he gave, im assuming thats not the case

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dad:

dad@mythserver:/usr/bin$ sudo ./mythrename.pl --link /home/dad/Documents/video/recordings/

[08:42:08]

dad:

DBI connect('database=mythconverg:host=localhost;port=3306','mythtv',...) failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/perl5/MythTV.pm line 348

[08:42:08]

dad:

Cannot connect to database:

[08:42:20]

dad is now known as Guest81650

[08:42:29]

Guest81650:

Im having trouble getting mythrename to work

[08:42:40]

wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

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Guest81650:

karmic 0.22

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wagnerrp:

your permissions are just not set up properly

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Guest81650:

thats karmic and myth 0.22

[08:43:35]

Guest81650:

thi have put mythrename in usr/bin

[08:43:50]

Guest81650:

on webpage guiding thet\ey say usrr/localbin

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Guest81650:

thats /usr/local/bin

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Guest81650:

but that dir is empty??

[08:44:31]

Guest81650:

so i put in usr/bin wher all other procs are

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wagnerrp:

why are you running sudo?

[08:44:52]

Guest81650:

i just tried sudo

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Guest81650:

as without i get same

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Guest81650:

hang on chcking

[08:45:27]

wagnerrp:

then both your current user, and root, do not have the necessary database config files set up

[08:45:35]

Guest81650:

dad@mythserver:/usr/bin$ ./mythrename.pl --link /home/dad/Documents/video/recordings/

[08:45:35]

Guest81650:

DBI connect('database=mythconverg:host=localhost;port=3306','mythtv',...) failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/perl5/MythTV.pm line 348

[08:45:35]

Guest81650:

Cannot connect to database:

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wagnerrp:

run it as the same user that runs mythtv, namely user 'mythtv'

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Guest81650:

ho exactly do i run it as mythtv

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wagnerrp:

su – mythtv

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Guest81650:

How sorry

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Guest81650:

but when i su mythttv it asks for password

[08:46:39]

Guest81650:

and mythbuntu install

[08:46:40]

wagnerrp:

or copy ~mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml into your own home directory

[08:46:44]

Guest81650:

so I dont know

[08:47:17]

wagnerrp:

the problem is that you are simply not providing mythrename (now mythlink) the credentials to access your database

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wagnerrp:

so it is failing back to its internal defaults

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wagnerrp:

which are wrong

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Guest81650:

mythrename get the credentials form mysql.txt

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Guest81650:

from sorry

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wagnerrp:

then that file is wrong

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wagnerrp:

if your mysql server is running, and something is failing to connect, its a permissions problem

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Guest81650:

mythtv works fine i log in as dad

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wagnerrp:

either you have not set up any premissions at all, or you have given it the wrong credentials

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Guest81650:

yes its a permission problem no doubt

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Guest81650:

wagner is mythlink a newer file?

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wagnerrp:

mythlink is the replacement in 0.23

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Guest81650:

Ah ok

[08:50:28]

wagnerrp:

its basically mythrename with the capability to rename files stripped out

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Guest81650:

so i stay with mythrename

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Guest81650:

I have installed the modules as well

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Guest81650:

perl

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Guest81650:

one in synaptec

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Guest81650:

or pu\ython whatever it was

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wagnerrp:

if the frontend works and mythrename.pl does not, then they are pulling their credentials from different files

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Guest81650:

5 front ends work

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wagnerrp:

by default, everything will pull from ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu has a wrapper around mythfrontend, which may be redirecting it elsewhere from that folder

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Guest81650:

XML Parsing Error: no element found

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Guest81650:

Location: file:///home/dad/.mythtv/config.xml

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Guest81650:

Line Number 1, Column 1:

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wagnerrp:

maybe /etc/mythtv/config.xml or /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml

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Guest81650:

problem with config.xml as above

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Guest81650:

that was contents of config.xml

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Guest81650:

so how do i make new config.xml

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wagnerrp:

delete the old one, run mythfrontend to generate a new one

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Guest81650:

simply by running mythfrontend

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Guest81650:

any frontend

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Guest81650:

even fe on be?

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend, on that machine, with that username

[08:54:51]

wagnerrp:

or, copy it from another machine that you know has a valid file

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KeeperoftheKeys:

Were my previous messages received?

[08:55:58]

wagnerrp:

you said you had a problem, didnt explain what it might possibly be

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Guest81650:

wagnerrp, Holy shit batman you have done it again!

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Guest81650:

its working

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Guest81650:

so now do i addi t to cron?

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wagnerrp:

just a note, that language is not permitted in this channel

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Guest81650:

and user tasks

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Guest81650:

ok sorry

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wagnerrp:

the old normal way? 'crontab -e'

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wagnerrp:

but im sure ubuntu has its own special GUI way of managing cron

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Guest81650:

thats sound familiar

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wagnerrp:

usually best to run that a couple minutes after every half hour

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Guest81650:

yes i have alarm bells ring in brain crontab -e

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wagnerrp:

KeeperoftheKeys: since your internet seems to be terribly unreliable, i suggest you try the mailing list rather than IRC

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wagnerrp:

odds he was able to read that before timing out?

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Guest81650:

what a awesome ping time

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wagnerrp:

thats not ping

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Guest81650:

oh

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wagnerrp:

it just means the server tried to update his client with new messages

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wagnerrp:

and after 276 seconds with no response, it dropped him from the server

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Guest81650:

well crontab is done

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Guest81650:

I prob dont need it in usejobs do I

[09:15:41]

Guest81650:

if i doit every half hour

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Guest81650:

userjobs

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Guest81650:

if its running every half hour i dont need it in user jobs do i?

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Guest81650:

as al my recoding start 5 min early of th ehour anyway

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Guest81650:

so it they will appear

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wagnerrp:

userjobs are tasks designed to run through myth's job queue

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Guest81650:

sorry fo rths shocking english

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wagnerrp:

usually triggered for a specific recording

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Guest81650:

yes i was reding to add it to user jobs but i dont see the point

[09:18:05]

wagnerrp:

mythrename can run as a userjob my only updating a single recording, and only when you actually record

[09:18:16]

wagnerrp:

rather than the brute force half-hour refresh of cron

[09:18:33]

wagnerrp:

but considering it takes all of about a second to run, it doesnt really matter

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Guest81650:

will that affect recording on my wee single core atom with 3 tuners

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wagnerrp:

ouch

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Guest81650:

lol

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Guest81650:

it works good

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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Guest81650:

i just dont transcode

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wagnerrp:

or commflag

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Guest81650:

yes i do commflag i have it run between midnight and 4 pm

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Guest81650:

when im awy or sleeping

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wagnerrp:

i assume your frontends are more beefy?

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Guest81650:

but commfalgging in australia isnt so good

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Guest81650:

Asrock ion is main one used

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wagnerrp:

you can run a 'mythjobqueue' on your frontends to offload processing to them

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Guest81650:

and 3 desktops

[09:21:21]

wagnerrp:

but if youre using ALL atoms, youre just out of luck

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Guest81650:

othersm are desktops with power but i honestly havent botherd

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Guest81650:

does file size decrease dramatically?

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Guest81650:

how can i log with a real name it always gewt sad with me and gives me a silly guest user name

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Guest81650:

peter

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like something you should ask in #ubuntu or #mythbuntu

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Guest2753:

ymlinks are made and work on BE

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Guest2753:

<Guest2753> They mount on th e FE but the symlinks dont worl

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Guest2753:

<Guest2753> work

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Guest2753:

<Guest2753> symlinks are made with mythrename

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Guest2753:

wagnerrp, can you help me with this one

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stuartm:

what's with all the 'Guest's

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bjd:

MS Comic Chat :D

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wagnerrp:

same guest

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Guest2753:

err it was a cut and paste

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stuartm:

oh, both the same guy

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Guest2753:

from another forum as i entere the myth deb forum oops

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wagnerrp:

Guest2753: when you use symlinks, you need to have the actual file to link to

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wagnerrp:

those are dereferenced client side

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wagnerrp:

you either need to mount the recording folders over NFS as well

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wagnerrp:

or mount the symlinks over CIFS, where dereferencing is done server-side

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Guest2753:

its mounted with samba

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Guest2753:

ahhh I thnk i know what your saying

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wagnerrp:

then you need to go into the server and disable 'unix extensions' to force dereferencing to be done server-side

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wagnerrp:

in the [global] group on your smb.conf

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Guest2753:

i need to mount the symlink folder and the actual recording folder

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wagnerrp:

you need a 'unix extensions = no'

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wagnerrp:

that will force the server to feed the client the actual file, rather than a symlink

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wagnerrp:

fifth time's the charm?

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Guest2753:

editing smb.conf now

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wagnerrp:

hmm... one of my frontends is not responding

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wagnerrp:

guess it crapped out when i my backed (iscsi target) crashed a couple days ago

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** J-e-f-f-A cheers as Amazon delivered his HD-PVR yesterday... ;-) **

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skd5aner:

who controls the main page of the wiki?

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wagnerrp:

wikiops

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skd5aner:

and, who, is a wikiop?

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wagnerrp:

theres some page that will show you, looking for it

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop

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skd5aner:

thanks

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jya:

just upgraded to latest trunk, tiny fonts now ... deleted themecache, same issues... Is this a known problem ?

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stuartm:

which theme?

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stuartm:

if it's a theme which hasn't been updated for the font definition changes in trunk then that could explain it

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jya:

mythbuntu theme

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jya:

upgrading the theme right now...

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rah:

I get the following error with 0.23-fixes svn:

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rah:

../../configure: line 4253: libs/libmythdb/mythconfig.mak: No such file or directory

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rah:

../../configure: line 4324: libs/libmythdb/mythconfig.mak: No such file or directory

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rah:

rah@myrtle:/usr/local/src/mythtv-stable/mythtv/bld/myrtle$

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rah:

hmm

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rah:

mythtv doesn't support out-of-tree building

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rah:

pfft

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jya:

course it does ...

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jya:

i compile mythtv completely outside a repo checkout

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] Anyone got experience/knowledge of IP SMS-C gateways?

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rah:

jya: my error would seem to contradict your claims

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jya:

I guess, I wasn't compiling mythtv all those times :)

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wagnerrp:

if by 'no out of tree builds', you mean everything in <branch>/mythtv must be compiled within the mythtv folder, you are correct

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jya:

wagnerrp: ?

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jya:

wagnerrp: just look at the ubuntu -dev package

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jya:

sorry, my bad, i see what you mean

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wagnerrp:

jya: the only thing i can think hes trying to do is check out <branch>/libs/libmythdb directly, and try to compile it without configure

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wagnerrp:

but then i dont understand why you would want to do that in the first place

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jya:

me neither...

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wagnerrp:

rah: are you trying to implement one of those shared libraries in your own program or something?

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rah:

no, I'm just trying to compile the tree

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Dibblah:

It's an out-of-tree build. I understand the issue, but no, Myth does not support it.

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rah:

from a directory that isn't the mythtv source directory

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Dibblah:

You must build inside the source directory. Qmake sucks.

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Dibblah:

I had lots of "why would you want to do that" comments from the qt guys – AFAIK, no projects using qmake support out-of-tree builds.

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Dibblah:

I hacked up a patch that allowed it some time ago, but it was waaaay too hackish.

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Dibblah:

You had to literally fool qmake.

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wagnerrp:

what would doing that get you though?

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jya:

Dibblah: why would you want to do that? :)

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: Build two different packages from the same source tree with local overlay changes, for example.

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Dibblah:

It's also the way most autoconf packages are "recommended" to be built.

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: ok, so you would only have to duplicate the changed folders, rather than the whole tree

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Dibblah:

Also helps with ccache coherency.

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Dibblah:

But like I said, qmake sucks.

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jya:

also rather much cleaner to have all your object files outside the source tree

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rah:

pfft

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Dibblah:

rah: Your patch will be welcomed, if it doesn't suck as much as mine.

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Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1295

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jya:

4 years.... :P how long did it take you to find this ticket ?

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sphery:

What's the policy on deleting stuff from the FAQ? I think http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ings_Time.3F should go.

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skd5aner:

I would think factual info should stay, non-factual info should be changed or go

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skd5aner:

I hate FAQs that have really old info that's not relavent to the current

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sphery:

that being info that seems years out of date

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sphery:

after all, Qt 3.3.4

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sphery:

And, anyone who actually believes that underpowered, er, I guess they call them "low powered", frontends/backends are a good idea should really update http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . y_choices.3F

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** wagnerrp wonders what it is Tom Dexter 'watches and then deletes' from MythVideo **

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Dibblah:

jya: It took a while :(

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sphery:

Dibblah / jya / rah : See, also, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3568

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johnnyj:

sphery: did you get any word from whatisname on kde and xdg?

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sphery:

I tested myself

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sphery:

the CVS version works

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sphery:

I have a patch that just disables xdg-screensaver if its version is < 1.0.2

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sphery:

for KDE users only

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johnnyj:

nice work

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sphery:

I haven't decided whether to apply it or not

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sphery:

it makes the extremely clean and simple class much uglier

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johnnyj:

interesting

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sphery:

(granted, only for KDE users--and only until we can remove that code, when most distros ship a KDE4-compatible version)

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sphery:

but it's a patch with +86 lines or so--in a class that was around 140 total

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johnnyj:

yikes

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sphery:

yeah :(

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sphery:

Still better than a setting, though :)

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emanuelez:

hello, is there a developers IRC channel?

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dougt:

#mythtv

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johnnyj:

sphery: ha – you and the settings

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emanuelez:

thank you

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wagnerrp:

emanuelez: you sure like to be different....

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wagnerrp:

most people go into the developer's channel asking for user support

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emanuelez:

wagnerrp: well, I'm a user of course, but the error I ran into is kind of weird so I started to look into the code and found something that does not convince me so I guess the devs might know :)

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johnnyj:

many of them are in here

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wagnerrp:

it was a joke

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wagnerrp:

most people go to the dev channel, and we send them here, you came to the user channel and we sent you there

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emanuelez:

yeah... sorry i didn't get it immediately. my excuse is a sleepless night :D

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emanuelez:

well... i might ask here as well i guess :) I'm trying to import a channels.conf file from myth-setup and I get a "Failed to parse '%1'" error. But looking at the stdout it looks like the channels are imported correctly.

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emanuelez:

any hint?

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wagnerrp:

most people just use myth's scanner

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sphery:

+1 for using MythTV's scanner

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sphery:

mythtv-setup has a scanner for a reason

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sphery:

and it actually provides all the information MythTV needs to tune channels (and channels.conf does not)

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emanuelez:

i see... u mean "Full Scan (Tuned)"?

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wagnerrp:

do xmltv providers usually give a seriesid?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: not usually, but we make one up

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wagnerrp:

im just looking for a way to tell series from non-series

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emanuelez:

in that case I have to find the frequency number. lyngsat didn't help me with that yesterday...

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sphery:

emanuelez: where are you in the world? Is there a frequency table for your region?

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wagnerrp:

to get a list of what the user wants to watch, to feed to the recommendation website

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wagnerrp:

denmark

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sphery:

wagnerrp: don't rely on seriesid or programid for that

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emanuelez:

or maybe i messed up with my digseq settings

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sphery:

emanuelez: oh, so this is satellite... I don't know much about satellite

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sphery:

note, also, a patch for disecq just went in trunk

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S is about all I know about DVB-S (the existence of the page :)

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup walks you through the scanning

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emanuelez:

ah nice... well... the UI failed on me during the disecq so I'm not sure it took the right stuff in :) maybe I should check the xml file :P

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emanuelez:

sphery, yeah... i followed that

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sphery:

which, based on your comment about Lyngsat and the tuned scan, it seems you did read... yeah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: category_type is not stored for record rules, and subtitle is not reliable either

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sphery:

TTBOMK, category_type is also a provider-specific value

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wagnerrp:

well mythweb uses that for searches

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sphery:

and, yeah, subtitles sometimes end up in titles or description

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sphery:

are you looking for an interactive way of figuring it out or for a "one size fits all"

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sphery:

the mythweb searches are interactive--if the user gets nothing, they'll go search again

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wagnerrp:

i was hoping for a one-size-fits-all

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sphery:

but if this is for some metadata type automated thing, I don't know of a way

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wagnerrp:

something that would automatically do all this in the background

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sphery:

I'd recommend a mail to the dev list to see if anyone has a suggestion

[12:08:29]

sphery:

ah, recommendation engine... I see

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wagnerrp:

perhaps have a couple automated solutions, and then allow the user to edit the list on their own

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sphery:

that might work

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wagnerrp:

im planning a 'blacklist' for things

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sphery:

like the examples in the custom rule editor

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sphery:

yay, Adobe is enabling HDCP and broadcast control flags for Flash

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emanuelez:

how do i start a fresh mythtv.setup session?

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sphery:

now I /definitely/ don't want to use HTML5 video

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wagnerrp:

well ive got /something/ working

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wagnerrp:

it wants me to record lost and flash forward

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sphery:

emanuelez: you mean how do you clear the data in the DB for channels/etc?

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emanuelez:

sphery, yes, channels, LNB and everything

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sphery:

oh, and the Flash DRM is only on Windows--so no playback on other platforms (at least not yet)

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wagnerrp:

or ever

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sphery:

emanuelez: The video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

wagnerrp: well, they might support Mac OS eventually

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wagnerrp:

linux certainly will never support HDCP

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wagnerrp:

dont know about OSX

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markl_:

how's it going?

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markl_:

is 0.23 officially out?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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emanuelez:

arghh.... whan i try to setup disecq the UI does not display the window :(

[12:17:06]

markl_:

who has the ability to change the topic then :)

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emanuelez:

is that what the commit in trunk was for?

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sphery:

markl_: http://www.mythtv.org/ top story

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** wagnerrp pokes sphery **

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** sphery goes to figure that out again... **

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wagnerrp:

heh

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stuartm!~gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust872.leic.cable.ntl.com changes topic to Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. | Play Nice | http://mythtv.org/ | Latest stable release: 0.23 | Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ | US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/

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sphery:

too slow

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sphery:

thx, stuartm

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emanuelez:

any hint about where to find the frequency for the full scan on astra and hotbird?

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stuartm:

lyngsat

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emanuelez:

stuartm, should this page enlighten me? http://www.lyngsat.com/hotbird.html

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emanuelez:

cause it doesn't :-S

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sphery:

emanuelez: just a guess, but isn't that what Freq./Tp column provides?

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sphery:

and maybe SR-FEC for the symbol rate?

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sphery:

emanuelez: if you figure it out, though, feel free to update http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup with an example/better description of where/how to find it

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Vuokko:

Hello!

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Vuokko:

Where mythtv logs it messages? it would be much more easier to start troublshooting after finding error messages

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sphery:

Vuokko: depends on your distro

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wagnerrp:

Vuokko: that depends on how you ran mythtv

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emanuelez:

if it's freq./tp then i would have to do a scan for every package... that would kill me :P

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sphery:

usually they set it up for somewhere in /var/log, though

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wagnerrp:

by default, myth's binaries simply log to terminal

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Vuokko:

I'm running arch linux

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sphery:

emanuelez: I think you just specify one of them, then it tunes that freq, gets the tables, and uses them to find the other freqs

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wagnerrp:

but if the calling function redirects to file (with >) or tells myth to log to a file (with -l logfile), it will be there

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sphery:

^^^ Huge guess, though

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sphery:

based on hearsay

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wagnerrp:

/var/log or /var/log/mythtv is a good place to start

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sphery:

wagnerrp: just what we need: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/05/12/sharp_3d_mobile_cam/

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wagnerrp:

its too small

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wagnerrp:

not wide enough for proper separation

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wagnerrp:

id rather people use /proper/ 3d if theyre going to do it at all

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to nearly all uses of 3d currently where there add the second perspective in postprocessing

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sphery:

yeah, agreed

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sphery:

just hate that 3D is getting so much focus

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markl_:

what screen size is recommended to play these 3d movies?

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markl_:

e.g. is blu ray (1920x1080) enough resolution to do it justice?

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sphery:

IMHO, IMAX or so

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bjd:

heh

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markl_:

yeah it looks great at the imax here

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sphery:

I think the physical size is more important

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bjd:

i love the concept of selling 3D tvs but no content :p

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sphery:

as things are cut off at the sides of the display

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sphery:

so unless it's a "field of view" screen, it's garbage

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markl_:

i want to be able to play some of these 3d concert videos at home

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markl_:

but if i need a 200" screen, that obviously won't happen

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sphery:

well, according to the TV manufacturers, you don't :)

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sphery:

I have to admit I'm extremely biased against in-home 3D TVs

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** stuartm just doesn't get it **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: single perspective omnimax has done far more than any 3D tech ive ever seen (including 3D IMAX) for immersion

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sphery:

Nice. MS Office Web Apps allows people to use MS Office (actually, just some parts--like no charts in Excel) through the Web. If your company buys MS OWA and has GNU/Linux desktops, you have to buy an MS Office license for each GNU/Linux desktop.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Is omnimax the curved dome thing?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

weve got one in the local natural history museum

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sphery:

yeah, I've never seen that, but it would nicely solve the edge-screen issues

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wagnerrp:

its absolutely amazing

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sphery:

see, that's the way it should be done

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Supreme:

hey i need help figuring something out with my directv hddvr box. It has a hdmi output jack, and component outputs, but also composite outputs. The box is set to 1080i resolution, but my question is, could you still use the Composite output jacks, and would that output standard quality or HD quality?

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wagnerrp:

youre actually there, you literally feel yourself moving

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stuartm:

fwiw, 3D won't impress me until it's truely in 3 dimensions, you can step into and move around within it

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stuartm:

look at something from all angles

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sphery:

Supreme: you can only do SDTV with Composite. You need to use Component (and the Hauppauge HD-PVR) for HDTV through DirecTV.

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wagnerrp:

Supreme: HDMI is worthless to us, you can record 1080i component from an HDPVR, or 480i composite with an IVTV card

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sphery:

stuartm: yeah, that would be nice

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stuartm:

and we already have that technology, it's called a play

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Supreme:

o

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wagnerrp:

dirty droppy wireless...

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Supreme:

i'm confused though, so for the hdmi and component jacks, its HD quality, but on the same stream for the composite jacks, directv downsizes it to standard quality than?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

composite and svideo are only capable of 480i

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Supreme:

ya i'm thinking about getting a slingbox

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wagnerrp:

or 576i for the PALs

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emanuelez:

hmmm... some improvement. i got the scanning to start, but it stops after two channels.

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sphery:

uggghhh... slingbox

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Supreme:

but i've been worried about compatibility with the directv receiver, and the difference between standard and high definition quality

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sphery:

down-res and down-bitrate your TV to an unwatchable mess

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Supreme:

like for instance, standard might be passable quality if i used s-video connection

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sphery:

that being my perspective... I'm not speaking for anyone else.

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Supreme:

but than again i don't want to risk the quality not being so great, so thinking about just going with the HD quality one

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Supreme:

well i had a free trial of someone elses slingbox

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wagnerrp:

most people around here who have used a slingbox do not consider it acceptable quality

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sphery:

IMHO, HDTV and a removable hard drive you take with you are the way to go

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Supreme:

looked pretty good to me, HD looked twice as good as SD, and that was only at 1000 kps

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wagnerrp:

1mbps is barely acceptable for SD

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wagnerrp:

much less anything HD

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sphery:

yeah, the cleaner the original, the better it will look, but 1000kbps is pretty poor quality compared to 10Mbps

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sphery:

I'm sure it was still downscaled to a tiny size

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sphery:

just a cleaner source

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wagnerrp:

right, DCT based codecs do not handle noise well

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Supreme:

ya well i was using someone elses slingbox in california. I wonder if i use it on my LAN, if standard quality would look better if i went from 1000 kbps to like 3000 kbs?

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sphery:

why use a slingbox on your LAN

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sphery:

use a /real/ solution, like MythTV

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Supreme:

tv is on the other room, don't have anything in bedroom

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Supreme:

just computer ;[

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sphery:

(or even Windows MCE or whatever)

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wagnerrp:

or another tv for that matter

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sphery:

Supreme: that's what MythTV is all about

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Supreme:

i'm kinda clueless on what mythtv is, was googling it minutes ago lol

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sphery:

Supreme: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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sphery:

see ^^^

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stuartm:

most people just how low standards when it comes to video, why else would youtube/iplayer/hulu etc be so popular? I never thought I'd call myself a videophile, and compared to some I'm not, but the horribly compressed pictures that people accept shocks me

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sphery:

I use MythTV to record all my shows (up to 4 HDTV shows at a time) and then I can watch from any computer in the house, or from the HDTV that's connected to a computer, or can copy the recordings to a hard drive and take with me on business trips

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sphery:

so I /never/ have to watch whatever drivel is on when I"m sitting around the hotel, and I can actually do something while wasting time at the airport/on the plane.

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Supreme:

hmmmm

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Supreme:

so you get a mythtv box, hook it up to your cable box, and change the channel for your program and set a recorder time, and than stream it to your computer afterwards?

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sphery:

stuartm: yeah, the YouTube/iplayer/Hulu stuff is unbelievable to me--especially that they're becoming so popular in the age where HDTV is just starting to come into its own

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Supreme:

can you set the recording channel from your computer?

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wagnerrp:

Supreme: no, you give the mythtv box an IR blaster to contorl the cable box

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sphery:

Supreme: MythTV is software you install on any GNU/Linux computer

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wagnerrp:

and then you tell it to 'record all of this show'

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wagnerrp:

it will handle scheduling on its own

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stuartm:

Windows or OSX

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Supreme:

ah sounds like a slingbox, but just not in real time, hmmmm sounds pretty good

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sphery:

and, yeah, you can use an IR transmitter to change channels on STB, or for some DirecTV units, you can use either serial or (with a hacked-up-cable) USB control to change channels

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wagnerrp:

its nothing to do with a slingbox

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wagnerrp:

the slingbox does not record, it does not schedule, all it does it stream

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Supreme:

well i mean't the whole stream stuff from tv to computer thing

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sphery:

Supreme: MythTV is all about record anything you might possibly want to watch so you /never/ have to watch Live TV (since chances are you'll always have something better recorded)

[12:59:31]

Supreme:

how much does mythtv box cost?

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sphery:

the software is Free and free

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sphery:

the hardware is dependent on what you use

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Supreme:

damn this is kinda what i've been looking for, something to record, but i thought slingbox or dvr were only options

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sphery:

I have 8.5TB of storage

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sphery:

that cost a bit more than a typical 150GB DVR rental from the cable co

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sphery:

I also have 3 computers involved

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wagnerrp:

or the 'super deluxe' 500GB models

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sphery:

I know of at least one person with 22TB of storage for MythtV

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wagnerrp:

mythtv isnt a single box

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sphery:

(I'm actually somewhere in the mid-range of storage)

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wagnerrp:

its a system encompassing one or more boxes

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emanuelez:

full scan only looks in the trasponder i set the frequenfy of :(

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Supreme:

so what do you get to setup mythtv?

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sphery:

Supreme: and MythTV can do the "Record every episode of LOST" type recording

[13:01:15]

sphery:

yes, MythTV is a hobby

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Supreme:

okay thats good, i was mostly concerned about quality anyways

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sphery:

If you prefer the DVR over the hobby, you might want to check out something else, like Windows MCE, Sage TV, or even just TiVo

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Supreme:

but now i'm concerned with what you need to set it up, like what would be the costs of buying the equipment?

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wagnerrp:

thats not true, you can set it up once, and leave it

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sphery:

or I suppose DirecTV is now using its in-house DVR--at least until TiVo sues them like it did Dish

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Supreme:

lol

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sphery:

I still think it's a hobby

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wagnerrp:

Supreme: buying new hardware, a base computer can be had for around $200

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sphery:

maintenance, upgrades, learning what's changed, keeping up

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sphery:

takes time

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wagnerrp:

tack on whatever you want in tuner cards and hard drives on top of that

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Supreme:

o so this would be expensive to do? ;\

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sphery:

Supreme: For me, MythTV's cost was $150 + $100 for a capture card (back in Feb 2004). Since then, I've spent a /lot/ of money on MythTV

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Supreme:

nvm than

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wagnerrp:

$20 for SD analog capture, $40–60 for digital capture $200 for HD analog capture

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sphery:

another reason it's a hobby is because you'll continually add to it :)

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Supreme:

i only wanted to spend $100-$150

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sphery:

$80 – $100 for 1TB to 2TB HDD

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wagnerrp:

Supreme: then you can dumpster dive for old hardware

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emanuelez:

is there a way to scan all the transponders? googling around there seems to be some external script to do that

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markl_:

Supreme: it is cheap if your time is worth $0

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sphery:

markl_: exactly!

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markl_:

if it is fun for you to play around a lot, then mythtv rocks

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markl_:

if you want something that "just works" get a directv hi def pvr

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sphery:

Yep. Since I feel my time is not worth $0, I see it as an expensive hobby.

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sphery:

besides, I keep dumping new hardware into the hobby, so it really has $ cost, too.

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markl_:

i use mythtv to do research/training on network storage protocols

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Supreme:

i have a directv hddvr box, the dvr service isn't activated, but they say they only stream the videos to ur computer

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Supreme:

so idk about that

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markl_:

i'm sure that directv can play hd to your TV

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Supreme:

btw can you get any dvr box, and it'll work with recording from a directv hddvr receiver? and the tivo online guide service is optional?

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markl_:

but if you want to actually rip the videos it is a different story

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markl_:

how are you planning to get a recording off a directv receiver? i think they have tightened that down a lot since the old tivo units

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sphery:

Supreme: for MythTV, listings are pretty much a mandatory requirement

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sphery:

Supreme: however, you don't buy them from DirecTV (for $6–10/mo), you buy a membership to Schedules Direct for $20/ *year* and get free customized listings.

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Supreme:

hmmmm i thought you'd just setup the cable connections and try to dvr from it, didn't know it might not be possible with directv

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sphery:

http://www.schedulesdirect.org/

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Supreme:

okay

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not a VCR, you dont give it times and channels to record

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wagnerrp:

you give it shows to record, so good guide data is a necessity

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sphery:

It's the only source of North American TV listings data usable by MythTV and most other FOSS projects that does not violate copyright or provider Terms of Service

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sphery:

right, it's a "Record every episode of LOST" type thing, not a "Record on Tuesday from 9:00pm-10:00pm on ABC"

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Supreme:

gotcha

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J-e-f-f-A:

... although you *can* do that to, if your heart so desires. ;-) hehehehe

[13:17:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

Remember the "VCR Plus" codes??? ;-)

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

oh look! we can type in some numeric code rather than just the date

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wagnerrp:

what an achievement

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Hehehe... Well, it was easier to type in "12345" on the VCR for some folks.... ;-)

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Nidhoegger:

dor some reason mythtv cant change the volume

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Nidhoegger:

i see the volume meter, its moving up and down but nothing happens with the volume

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Nidhoegger:

like its using the wrong audio device

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iamlindoro:

For some reason you misconfigured your sound settings

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Nidhoegger:

but the only available is the soundcard

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Nidhoegger:

in the settings device is alsa:default and switch is set to PCM

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nidhoegger: ^ bingo. Check your setup for the mixer device.

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iamlindoro:

audio device is only part of the equation-- volume control is handled by the mixer

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Nidhoegger:

over alsamixer i can change

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iamlindoro:

So set MythTV to control the correct mixer in your audio settings

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Nidhoegger:

i also tried master switch, but doesnt work either

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Nidhoegger:

PCM is correct, isnt it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nidhoegger: Depending on your HW, you may have to change it to "PCM" instead of "Main" or vise-versa.

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iamlindoro:

How would I know which is right for your system? I'm not your mom, I don't live with you

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: s/main/Master/

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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sphery:

Nidhoegger: You've enabled MythTV internal volume controls, but you don't have your system set up to allow internal volume controls

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sphery:

If you're using digital output, you can't change the volume with internal volume controls without using some hack like software volume

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Nidhoegger:

i have analog outpzut

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sphery:

then fix the mixer/mixer controls settings

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sphery:

and/or your ALSA configuration to allow volume control

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Supreme:

does anyone know how you can find out what dvr is compatible with directv hddvr, or do you have to use their $6/month dvr service?

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Supreme:

not finding much through web searches

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sphery:

note, also, that if you're using multi-channel PCM (analog) output, you won't get volume control on the vast majority of sound cards, even if you use the Master control

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sphery:

multi-channel meaning more than stereo

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sphery:

Supreme: in here, we only know about MythTV stuff--for which you couldn't use any DVR set-top box

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sphery:

:)

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Nidhoegger:

sphery how do i do that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: You can use MythTV, but not with the DVR features of the DirecTV box – you'd be using it just as a Tuner.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: If you want HD in Myth, you'd need to capture the DirectTV's Component video output with an Hauppage HD-PVR

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sphery:

Nidhoegger: do what? fix the mixer/mixer controls settings? just go into General settings and flip them around to see if any combination works

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Nidhoegger:

yes

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sphery:

Use ALSA:default for Audio output device and Mixer device, then choose either Master or PCM for Mixer controls

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Supreme:

thx jeff

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Nidhoegger:

thats the settings already

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sphery:

well, you have a choice for Mixer controls, so flip it, and if it doesn't work, it's your sound card/ALSA configuration

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J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: Yeah, the 'streaming' feature of your DirecTV DVR is probably encrypted or a proprietary format that nobody has reverse-engineered yet.

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sphery:

where fixing the ALSA configuration is a much bigger challenge

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J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: I'm just switching over to HD myself on Verizon FiOS TV – my only HD to date has been OTA broadcasts.

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Nidhoegger:

alsa is working flawlessly with every other program

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Nidhoegger:

its even working changing the volume with the media keys

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Supreme:

could i just use the hd-pvr to record videos of directv and than copy those to my computer?

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Supreme:

thats the main thing i want to do

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sphery:

Nidhoegger: "its even working changing the volume with the media keys" -> therein lies your problem

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sphery:

ALSA doesn't do that

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sphery:

you're using external volume controls

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sphery:

so do the same for MythTV

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sphery:

disable the "Use internal volume controls" button

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sphery:

checkbox

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sphery:

or, if you're using a sound server, like Pulse Audio, don't

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RobertLaptop:

Hopefully someone can help. I decided to replace one of my backend because the old one is dieing but when I got the new hardware It forced me to upgrade from Mythubutu 8.04 to 9.10/10.4 when I upgraded my front end LIRC stopped working any idea's how to get a Hauppauge Win-to-go the same chip-set as the PVR150 working?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: Myth isn't designed to do that – but you could potentially do it from a command prompt with a simple 'cat /dev/videox >myvideo.mp4' I would think...

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iamlindoro:

It's exactly what Myth is designed to do

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iamlindoro:

he just doesn't understand what the HD-PVR is

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Well, I get the impression he wants to archive stuff already recorded on his DirecTV DVR.

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iamlindoro:

Supreme: the HD-PVR is just a USB capture device-- it doesn't have a hard drive, nor is it an external STB

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iamlindoro:

Supreme: So you would use it to capture directly from the box, which would immediately be a file on your computer

[13:37:45]

iamlindoro:

ie Set Top Box->HD-PVR->Computer, captured in real time

[13:37:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, re-reading what he said, yeah I see what you're saying — Supreme – you'd just record it in 'real-time' to Myth using a HD-PVR. Your DTV DVR would just be a 'tuner' to myth.

[13:38:17]

sphery:

I.e. MythTV /is/ the DVR

[13:38:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Righ.

[13:38:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

t

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Supreme:

oh okay, i wanted a way to record to a dvr without using myth, wasn't sure what dvr would work with directv

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Jay2k1:

wooooo

[13:39:09]

Supreme:

because of this: (markl_) how are you planning to get a recording off a directv receiver? i think they have tightened that down a lot since the old tivo

[13:39:11]

Jay2k1:

new release

[13:39:13]

iamlindoro:

If you don't want to use Myth, you're in the wrong place

[13:39:14]

sphery:

Supreme: You will almost certainly not find a "hardware" DVR that allows you to copy stuff off it to a computer

[13:39:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: Well, Myth *is* my DVR – 4TB of storage, and only limited by my wallet.

[13:39:31]

sphery:

that's the domain of "software" DVR's, like MythTV, Sage TV, possibly Windows MCE, ...

[13:39:50]

Supreme:

oh i didnt know that

[13:40:17]

sphery:

the hardware guys have to put in all sorts of protections to prevent that type of thing to appease Hollywood

[13:40:23]

Supreme:

how cheap could you have mythtv for?

[13:40:40]

sphery:

If you go cheap, you probably shouldn't go with MythTV

[13:40:43]

sphery:

IMHO

[13:40:52]

sphery:

You'd be better off looking at other software DVRs

[13:40:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: Especially if you want to do HD.

[13:41:16]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, Myth is not the budget option, it's the luxury option

[13:41:26]

Supreme:

what would be a software dvr? Software to record a slingbox stream or other stream

[13:41:28]

iamlindoro:

(won't let sphery steal my line today...)

[13:41:31]

sphery:

You can stretch hardware much farther in Windows than in GNU/Linux because hardware manufacturers write drivers to take advantage of the hardware performance

[13:41:41]

iamlindoro:

Supreme: MythTV, Sage TV, Windows MCE are all Software DVRs

[13:41:43]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I still think /I/ have been saying that longer than you!

[13:41:47]

wagnerrp:

as mentioned, mythtv is a hobby, and hobbies are typically not cheap

[13:42:07]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I think I coined the phrase "luxury DVR" in reference to Myth. ;)

[13:42:08]

Supreme:

so what is the hardware part?

[13:42:16]

Supreme:

thats whats confusing me

[13:42:25]

iamlindoro:

Supreme: A hardware DVR would be a DVR provided by DirecTV, Comcast, et.

[13:42:26]

iamlindoro:

etc.

[13:42:30]

sphery:

iamlindoro: one day I'll look up references--to dispute your trademark

[13:42:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Supreme: Capture devices, CPUs, Hard Drives, Video Card, etc.

[13:42:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery: You are such a patent troll

[13:42:43]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: no

[13:42:43]

johnnyj:

ha

[13:42:53]

Supreme:

ah okay

[13:43:13]

Supreme:

a capture device would include the hd-pvr thing u mentioned?

[13:43:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ? He asked what the hardware part was – I thought he meant for MythTV...

[13:43:27]

iamlindoro:

A Software DVR is a suite of software running on commodity hardware to perform DVR functions. A Hardware DVR is a DVR all in firmware/SoC provided by (usually) the service provider

[13:43:31]

sphery:

Supreme: so basically, some hardware you purchase as a DVR is a "hardware DVR", but if you purchase regular computer parts and install software on it, that's a "software DVR"

[13:43:34]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: You gotta read the context :)

[13:43:49]

sphery:

Supreme: really, read: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

[13:44:01]

Supreme:

ok i will

[13:44:10]

** J-e-f-f-A goes back to work... ;-) **

[13:44:10]

sphery:

it will explain the idea of MythTV

[13:44:20]

sphery:

much better than we can do in one liners in IRC

[13:44:31]

iamlindoro:

Maybe better than *you* can do ;)

[13:44:36]

sphery:

heh

[13:44:42]

wagnerrp:

odds on caudill22 being a spammer?

[13:44:51]

** iamlindoro is being a jerkface this morning ;) **

[13:44:56]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: 100%

[13:45:04]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Hey, I think my phrase, "luxury DVR," describes it pretty well

[13:45:17]

** iamlindoro files suit against sphery **

[13:45:26]

iamlindoro:

misappropriation of my IP!

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johnnyj:

i always feel compelled to point out that MythTv is open source

[13:45:40]

Supreme:

just one more question

[13:45:40]

sphery:

iamlindoro: No, I'm using a different IP address from you

[13:45:46]

Supreme:

why did jeff mention the Hauppauge HD PVR?

[13:45:50]

iamlindoro:

sphery: They're allll mine

[13:45:52]

sphery:

you think just because you have masked yours that I don't know that it's different

[13:46:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I was gonna say – "Hey, the old iamlindoro is back!" ;-)

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Supreme:

is that one of the capture devices he was mentioning u needed

[13:46:18]

iamlindoro:

Supreme: Because MythTV requires capture hardware to record television, and the HD-PVR is the option you would choose to record in HD from your set top box

[13:46:30]

Supreme:

alright

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sphery:

Supreme: the Hauppauge HD-PVR is the /only/ capture device that can capture analog HDTV in GNU/Linux--where analog HDTV is the /only/ way to capture HDTV from DirecTV and Dish network

[13:47:39]

Supreme:

so you just need a computer and a hd-pvr. What about a video card, can it be an onboard chipset or has to be a real fancy one?

[13:47:56]

** sphery wonders why Capture Devices isn't listed as a Hardware piece at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview **

[13:48:23]

iamlindoro:

Because Dagmar wrote most of that, and he makes no sense

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sphery:

Supreme: generally, if you have a proper CPU, you don't need much of anything in the way of GPU--nothing like the expensive gaming video cards

[13:49:18]

iamlindoro:

Supreme: If you are hoping to watch HD-PVR captures, you will need a very high end CPU or an nVidia GPU

[13:49:22]

sphery:

most people buy cheap NVIDIA video cards, such as the GT-220

[13:49:27]

iamlindoro:

and I should mention *modern* nVidia GPU

[13:49:46]

sphery:

and, we should mention that the "or" is /much/ better as an "and"

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sphery:

i.e. just because you get a modern NVIDIA card, that doesn't mean you shouldn't get a good CPU

[13:50:23]

Supreme:

k interesting, thanks for all the info guys, bbl

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sphery:

IMHO, Core 2 Duo at 3GHz or better is recommended

[13:51:18]

sphery:

though 2.6GHz or so isn't bad for ATSC only stuff

[13:51:31]

sphery:

with HD-PVR, you'll likely need better, though

[13:52:43]

sphery:

"[mythtv-users] Debian and CDPAU" , so I guess CDPAU is CPU Display and Presentation API for Unix because Debian doesn't like the proprietary nvidia drivers to use it on the GPU?

[13:52:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I once did 720p ATSC on a 1GHz PIII – with Nvidia XVMC... ;-) But it *barely* did it, and I couldn't get a [different] faster system to work as well... must have just been a 'perfect' chipset/etc on that machine...

[13:53:05]

sphery:

heh

[13:53:19]

sphery:

but XvMC should die

[13:53:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah

[13:53:29]

sphery:

and I'm upset that we still support it

[13:53:33]

wagnerrp:

same file?

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janneg:

sphery: I think qwerty typo is more likely ;)

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high-rez:

XvMC should die...?!

[13:54:00]

wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

janneg: heh, yeah... but I thought my theory was somewhat funny :)

[13:54:22]

high-rez:

There's a lot of older video cards doing HD ATSC with it just fine...

[13:54:46]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: any PC from the past five years can do ATSC just fine without XvMC

[13:54:59]

wagnerrp:

and as a bonus, you dont have to deal with all the crap limitations of XvMC

[13:55:11]

sphery:

exactly

[13:55:17]

janneg:

sphery: I don't think debian tries to invent new names for X11

[13:55:30]

sphery:

XvMC puts too many limitations on capabilities

[13:55:51]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: did you compare the machines with the same tile?

[13:56:05]

wagnerrp:

or is it possible you did a ~10mbps file on one, and ~18mbps on the other?

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high-rez:

What really needs to happen is for one of the new standards to win out. vpdau, xvba , vaapi... two too many.

[13:56:24]

wagnerrp:

xvba is a loser, no one uses it

[13:56:56]

clever:

high-rez: wasnt vdpau designed be more of a generic api that any driver could implement?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, It was 24 OTA... It played on the PIII frontend with XVMC with nary a missed frame, but stuttered like crazy even on machines with a better/faster cpu.

[13:57:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: *except* when the OSD was displayed – then it stutered like crazy...

[13:59:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: it was a Dell mini-tower – It's chipset must have been well supported, etc, by the Linux kernel or something, because it worked quite well...

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high-rez:

clever: I think nvidia said anyone could build on the vdpau api. so yeah.

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johnnyj:

i had a PIII deall optiplex that ran .21 (i believe) fantastically

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johnnyj:

although a little loud and ugly

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emanuelez_:

hi again :)

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emanuelez_:

well... I am now able to scan one transponder at a time. i cannot see a way to scan all the transponders in one go and googling around I see there are some scripts to automate the process. any hint?

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iamlindoro:

Neato, Valve officially releasing steam + source on linux

[14:23:45]

iamlindoro:

Can finally play all my half-life/etc. games without Wine :)

[14:24:30]

Jay2k1:

and mac i think

[14:25:14]

iamlindoro:

yeah, mac too, though that excites me less

[14:25:24]

iamlindoro:

(only because it's just less relevant to me)

[14:25:34]

Jay2k1:

i figured :)

[14:25:48]

Jay2k1:

i got a macbook pro at work

[14:26:01]

Jay2k1:

finally i'll have something to do at work :>

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Jay2k1:

last time i read something about that, they said they'll release portal 2 shortly after – for all supported platforms

[14:26:39]

Jay2k1:

so, yay.

[14:27:10]

emanuelez_:

i read somewhere that the mac version was due today... let's see :)

[14:27:15]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like Portal 2 will be the first new game, bu that the linux client will be out by end of summer with support for a fair number of older titles

[14:27:21]

iamlindoro:

Nah

[14:27:25]

iamlindoro:

End of summer

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Jay2k1:

oh that'd be cool

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey All

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Jay2k1:

and you can play all the games you already bought

[14:27:53]

ThisOtherGuy:

I just ran Jamu and got this error – can anyone help out: ! Error: Getting recordedprogram table record: DBData() could not find unique entry

[14:28:44]

Jay2k1:

so, when recording a movie with 5.1 dolby digital ac3 sound and making a cutlist, what'd be the most clever way to transcode it w/o losing the surround sound?

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: What version of MythTV are you running and what version of Jamu (./jamu -v)

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iamlindoro:

Jay2k1: If it's an MPEG-2 recording, you can do a lossless transcode in myth on it to remove the commercials without any quality loss, retaining 5.1

[14:29:58]

ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: trunk 24487; Jamu v0.7.5

[14:31:35]

Jay2k1:

i've seen that option in frontend settings -> recording profile

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Jay2k1:

+s

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Please resync with trunk as there were some bindings changes that fixed issues. Then run Jamu again with the "V" option added and if you still have a problem pastebin the output and supply the link here.

[14:32:16]

Jay2k1:

but although i added a new profile to the "transcoders" group, they won't change when i select "transcode" – i still have only default, auto, high, med and low there

[14:32:20]

iamlindoro:

yes, you would edit one of the transcode profiles, tick the lossless box, set your cutlist, and transcode it from the UI with that profile

[14:32:29]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, you need to edit an existing one

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Jay2k1:

aaah

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Jay2k1:

that explains

[14:32:47]

Jay2k1:

if i rename it, will the new name show?

[14:33:04]

iamlindoro:

Not sure, but I wouldn't do that

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: will do

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Jay2k1:

hmm, ok

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Jay2k1:

room for improvements huh?

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iamlindoro:

There's always room for improvement

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Jay2k1:

:)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: FWIW, their servers have run on linux since the 90s

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yeah, knew that, and there has been unofficial confirmation for a long time that it was coming to linux, just nice to see the plans laid out

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emanuelez_:

should dvb-s full scan automatically scan several transponders? whenever i tried it only took one

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ThisOtherGuy:

anyone have any ideas on why my backend would be killed by the oom killer every 2 days or so? possible memory leak? too little swap?

[14:44:20]

wagnerrp:

how much memory?

[14:47:20]

ThisOtherGuy:

2GB in Ram 1GB swap

[14:47:34]

dekarl:

Evening, I'm playing around with tv_grab_se_swedb, my own epg server and mythfilldatabase. I'd like mythtv to get the epg data and not report "interesting but unhelpful" errors. If I let mythfilldatabase grab data one call per day it inserts the data but complains about an error once it reaches the end of the provided data (15 days, mythfilldatabase likes 21 days) When I turn on "preferredmethod=allatonce" it grabs all availible data, repo

[14:47:35]

dekarl:

Any hints on where to start debugging?

[14:47:40]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be OOMing

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: Make sure you're running 0.23-fixes

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ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: I'm running trunk

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sphery:

that should work, too

[14:48:31]

wagnerrp:

sphery: those issues would only slowly accumulate after each recording

[14:48:45]

wagnerrp:

meaning you had to record a crapton of shows for it to cause problems

[14:48:51]

ThisOtherGuy:

it's been this way for at least the last month or so – a reboot will usually keep me good for another 2–3 days

[14:48:57]

sphery:

dekarl: IRC has a line length limit which you hit at, "data, repo"

[14:49:43]

dekarl:

sphery: stupid libpurple should split it then (another bug to file :)

[14:49:56]

sphery:

TTBOMK, it's already submitted against libpurple

[14:50:14]

dekarl:

When I turn on "preferredmethod=allatonce" it grabs all availible data, reports the amount of updated programs on the console but does not insert the data. (it does trigger rescheduling)

[14:50:53]

dekarl:

should have fixed some typos while copypasting, but you can't have everything

[14:51:02]

sphery:

dekarl: what makes you think it's not inserting the data?

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dekarl:

a) Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-05–12 20:41 and ended on 2010-05–12 20:41. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 2 of 2 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.

[14:51:40]

dekarl:

b) I extended the data to three weeks and still have 2 weeks of data in mythtv

[14:52:06]

sphery:

for a), that's a primitive check, likely defeated by some garbage data in your DB

[14:52:21]

sphery:

for b), does your listings source actually /have/ more than 2 weeks of data (most don't)

[14:52:39]

dekarl:

c) on the last test I let it run for some days and lost one day of data per day...

[14:53:19]

dekarl:

I have up to 14 weeks or thereabout for some channels as I run my own datasource ;) just exporting 2 weeks usually (3 weeks for testing now)

[14:53:30]

sphery:

for a), all it does is see if SELECT MAX(starttime) FROM program yields a larger value after the mfdb run... If you have, i.e., corrupt data that got inserted with a 2038 starttime or something, that will be false for the next 18 years or so :)

[14:54:03]

dekarl:

doh, the max(starttime) combined with DVB-EIT is a good hint, let's see

[14:54:28]

sphery:

yeah, EIT almost always inserts garbage ones

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sphery:

dekarl: you do realize, too, that you can not mix EIT /and/ mythfilldatabase on the same channel, right?

[14:55:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ooh, just getting caught up on -users – I guess I missed the release party! ;-)

[14:55:17]

dekarl:

well, max(starttime) is ~14days

[14:55:49]

dekarl:

sphery: I do see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8324

[14:55:54]

sphery:

dekarl: is mfdb getting OOM-killed? It's extremely memory-intensive when doing more than a day at a time

[14:56:00]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: FWIW most of the release thread is about people random LVM advice, having nothing to do with Myth

[14:56:35]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: and you had to order the party kit at least 3 weeks in advance for them to be able to get it to you in time for release.

[14:56:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: hehehe... I just hadn't realized that the official release of 0.23 had happened. ;-)

[14:56:51]

iamlindoro:

Yep, Sunday (with the announcement on Monday)

[14:57:01]

dekarl:

sphery: it says "mfdb run complete." at the end, so I guess it's not getting some strange oom signal

[14:57:10]

sphery:

My MythTV 0.23 helium-filled balloons are starting to look a little flat

[14:57:21]

sphery:

dekarl: hmmm

[14:57:34]

sphery:

not sure what could cause issues, then

[14:57:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, awesome work. And 0.24 looks like it's going to be a great update too... ;-)

[14:57:55]

iamlindoro:

.24 will bring lots of exciting features, with all the cautions that come with them

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** skd5aner is looking forward to Mark and JYA's work being merged in **

[14:58:16]

iamlindoro:

and foobum's ;)

[14:58:22]

skd5aner:

yes, and foobum :)

[14:58:29]

skd5aner:

credit where credit is due

[14:58:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

^ exactly what I was talking about. ;-)

[14:58:55]

wagnerrp:

but we cant credit him, all we have is an online tag

[14:59:15]

** iamlindoro is perfectly satisfied crediting whatever he wants to call himself **

[14:59:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

LOTS of great development going on... 0.22 got over a big hurdle... ;-)

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skd5aner:

think MNV will no longer be "beta", or is iamlindoro/RDV taking the google approach of unlimited Beta ;)

[14:59:36]

wagnerrp:

didnt you hear, were always in beta

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think it's foobum@mce.windows.microsoft.com

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wagnerrp:

thats what versions <<1 mean

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iamlindoro:

I have several large gates before I would like to call it officially non-beta, and I'm not sure they will happen before .24

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wagnerrp:

we should man up and release 1.0.4.jiggly.2010

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: The latest grabbers have been tried by all of three people and I found two bug over the last two days. They are still beta.

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skd5aner:

jiggly, heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro is possessed by Zuul

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iamlindoro:

Backend should be doing any downloading, and the acquisition/parsing of XML should be done centrally (possibly by adding it to mythfilldatabase) before I want it considered "ready for primetime"

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wagnerrp:

Jiggly Jackrabbit... ubuntu 11.04

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sphery:

wagnerrp: how could they go down from L/M?

[15:01:15]

iamlindoro:

Or do the Dr. Who thing and add apple to numbers

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sphery:

wouldn't it be Niggly Narwhal or something?

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iamlindoro:

24.2010.apple.square.16

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skd5aner:

Niggly, heh

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wagnerrp:

theyre alphabetical? never noticed

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iamlindoro:

ha, really?

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sphery:

have been for several years, now

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iamlindoro:

(that you never noticed)

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sphery:

early ones weren't

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sphery:

Thus Hoary

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iamlindoro:

yeah, there were multiple D's I think

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skd5aner:

haha, yea... it's always aa bb cc dd ee, etc

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wagnerrp:

noxious?

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operat . . . %29#Releases

[15:02:47]

AndyCap:

Perverted Platypus

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wagnerrp:

ive never really paid attention to them

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iamlindoro:

They're already nearly halfway through the alphabet, wonder what they do after Zany Zebra

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dekarl:

sphery: so I'm left with providing 21+ days (as there is no real documentation about how a grabber can report "incomplete data because I don't have more days") and grabbing one day after another, receiving schedule updates only for tomorrow and max(starttime)+1 (default setting)?

[15:03:04]

wagnerrp:

i just yell at people until they give me a number

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skd5aner:

we're on LL now, next will be MM

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sphery:

Warty Warthog -> Hoary Hedgehog -> Breezy Badger -> Dapper Drake, then they went alpha

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I yell until they mention the distro name

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: since "I'm on 9.10" is obnoxious as hell

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skd5aner:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames

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sphery:

dekarl: unless you'd like to make a patch, that seems about right

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** AndyCap is on 7 of 9 **

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iamlindoro:

and smacks of "I'm on the only linux distro"

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skd5aner:

10.10 will be Maverick Meercat

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sphery:

dekarl: I am planning some changes to how we do Schedules Direct data import

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johnnyj:

i've always considered it Mythbuntu 9.10

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sphery:

but it will likely just make it so it always does all days that are available

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sphery:

skd5aner: I thought it was Meerkat

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johnnyj:

verses Mythbuntu Karmic Kaola

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skd5aner:

yes, typo

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skd5aner:

Meerkat

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dekarl:

sphery: it's hard to come up with a patch if there is no clear target to reach ;) (aka XmltvErrors is missing on the wiki and I couldn't find any archived copy)

[15:04:59]

sphery:

oh, thought maybe some languages spelled it differently from me

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sphery:

target?

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dekarl:

sphery: I could come up with some crude settings hack "try to grab n days with grabber x" but then I don't like to have the user put in static values that should come from the infrastructure

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, the store with all the cheap stuff.

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iamlindoro:

the one where they all wear red

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you can vote for your favorite future names at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames ... Oh, and don't read that if you're at work, as obviously some people don't take it seriously.

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sphery:

dekarl: yeah, you'd want to extend the XMLTV capabilities to tell the app to do something like that, then extend MythTV to support the new one

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dekarl:

sphery: exactly what I was thinking about... but that's not gonna happen in one evening ;)

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dekarl:

sphery: is there any linkage from SD epg ids to the thetvdb grabbing? (they have the SD program ID as reference) could come in handy to add more art to the epg someday

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iamlindoro:

NO NO NO

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iamlindoro:

:)

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sphery:

I think SD programid's are copyrighted

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iamlindoro:

Because we *like* them

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iamlindoro:

And we would never do anything as evil as downloading an EPG worth of data from them :)

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sphery:

dekarl: so how are you getting 14 weeks of listings data? is this some channel you run or something?

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** dekarl thinks along the lines of adding additional data to recorded programs via some strong ID that happens to be around anyway... **

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sphery:

programid is not reliable--as it's mainly a US thing and faked in some other places

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iamlindoro:

dekarl: For recorded, yes, we intend to internalize what Jamu does anyway-- but EPG, probably never

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sphery:

and provided as garbage in others

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dekarl:

sphery: simple, just write a nice mail to each and every channel (in germany every channels seems to have there own press site) then write some converter for each and every channel, then just export to xmltv format and you're done...

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dekarl:

basically I run a copy of swedb (nonametv) for german channels and some shoutcast radios

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dekarl:

but most channels provide "only" about 6 weeks of schedule

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sphery:

dekarl: cool

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dekarl:

and yes, I know about tv_grab_eu_epgdata but that won't help with my shoutcast radios ;) (think laga wrote that one)

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sphery:

Doesn't LAMc mean encrypted?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

sphery: He could try modifying quick-tune options

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sphery:

yeah, I think he needs a new channel scan and quick tune is killing him currently

[15:18:43]

sphery:

but I haven't been motivated enough to send the e-mail

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sphery:

We need to update http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.21

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dekarl:

iamlindoro: how about *one* server downloading the metadata for all users and the epg just looking up some pictures of a) planned recordings b) programs that some user manually opens up the schedule details (so load on demand and show what you got stored already)

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iamlindoro:

dekarl: Still don't think we can justify the huge load even that would put on TVDB-- fancy EPGs that ovver images for shows do them with "show cards" sold by (in the US) Tribune Media Services-- but those images are teensy tiny, not coverat/fanart/etc.

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dekarl:

but that's far into the future as there are way to many synopsis with rights problems (german texts) so I'm pushing back the interface day to day

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iamlindoro:

the show cards are a few hundred pixels on a side, optimized by someone at TMS for download, and they only propagate to the services themselves (ie Tivo distributes theirs, Moxi theirs, etc)... The one theoretical way to do it is for Schedules Direct to purchase the show card service and to provide the download-- but TVDB doesn't have show cards, and they definitely don't have near the infrastructure for DVR users to grab stuff like tha

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dekarl:

stupid question, does the mythtv epg do anything with pictures atm? (I don't have any guide with pictures so I don't know)

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iamlindoro:

No, no picture use besides channel icons right now

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dekarl:

ok, so nothing with pictures without some development anyway. and that's likely to happen once the big pictures are on bittorrent or something similar. (/me checks pictures of the candidates list)

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dekarl:

I'll see what I can do about MFDB and MaxDays then

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iamlindoro:

dekarl: For what it is worth I am very interested in adding show cards to the EPG, but the EPG itself needs a rewrite to be more flexible/scriptable, and we need to find a way to do it without resorting to hacks, and without killing the source of the data (or introducing any unfair hardship without being able to offset it)

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dekarl:

hmm, a mix of the 50kb per preview picture size limit (taken from the ps3 upnp limitations, it's as good as any other artificial limit) and packaging them up with the epg data (about 1MiB per channel per user at 20 programmes a day). quite a bit of traffic for users*channels per country but then it just needs someone to sponsor a server/s3 account

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iamlindoro:

dekarl: It's definitely doable, it's just a logistical feat that needs to start (IMO) with figuring out the "Service" rather than the "display"

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dekarl:

atm I'm <10KiB per channel/day

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kalelme:

hello

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iamlindoro:

emanuelez: I was mistaken, looks like the Mac steam client is coming today

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kalelme:

As they are, something is happening to me and I have not getting how to solve it, I have an encore ENLTV-FM 5.3, I have set up correctly, and it works, the problem I have is that the image quality is very bad, if I see the channel with tvtime, is the right way, at 720x480, but if I see from the mythtv (see tv), but is very poor quality, I tested the quality up in the configuration but the same thing. anyone has any suggestions

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kalelme:

sorry my english

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: portal for mac is online now

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iamlindoro:

So I heard

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dustybin:

Agressive Sound Card buffering has solved my audio problem :D

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wagnerrp:

didnt we remove that?

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dustybin:

its still there

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Shadow__X:

portal is even free till the 24th also lucas arts has some titles available as well

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dustybin:

thankfully

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Extra is gone, Aggressive going for .24

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dustybin:

oh no :(

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux – I still get the error after upgrading and a new one at the bottom – here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/72TS3BcG

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Looking now

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: I have good news and good news. First though you should only use the options "-MWV" to get Watch Recorded images all the other are ignored. Next it worked the last error is actually ignored and is OK. Maybe later trunk bindings will get rid of that message.

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: great – thanks

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ThisOtherGuy:

so I should run -J by itself?

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: The "! Error: Getting recordedprogram table record: DBData()" means there is something odd in your data base recorded table but the error can be ignored. Probably some old cruft. Jamu is only reading that table no writes.

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ThisOtherGuy:

any way to figure out what it is?

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dekarl:

sphery: doh mfdb does not specify the amount of days to grab if I prefer allatonce => default is 5 days for the grabber

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dekarl:

which is wrong according to xmltv docs: The default number of days is 'as many as possible'. => fix grabber (but now I know why it didn't insert new data)

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kalelme:

any have a encore enltv-FM ?

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cervera:

Hey, EPG listing sites i use for my country list programs with prog title like e.g – "Lost – chapter 16" only not in english. the result is that I can't record full seasons, because for myhtv, next chapter will have different title. any thoughts of a solution?

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dekarl1:

there you are :) which country is it anyway?

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cervera:

tee hee

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cervera:

sorry about that

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cervera:

Israel

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sphery:

cervera: You have 2 options. The first is to use Custom Recording Rules (a.k.a. Power Recording Rules) to match on title LIKE 'LOST%'

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sphery:

cervera: the 2nd is to create a program to modify the XMLTV you get from your provider (i.e. move the Chapter into description or subtitle)

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dekarl:

are you using the current tv_grab_il? I saw some changes there, so I'd expect it to work

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sphery:

but modifying the XMLTV should not be done by MythTV--it should be part of XMLTV if you want to make it available somewhere

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cervera:

I think tv_grab_il is dead, using ext. grabber

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cervera:

called MegaEPG (under wine

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cervera:

)

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cervera:

sphery: I like option B

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sphery:

option B is the best if it happens on more than just a couple of programs

[17:46:52]

dekarl:

funny, the latest release notes of xmltv state tv_grab_il as new grabber ;)

[17:46:56]

sphery:

note that the XMLTV guys have some tools for working with xmltv data

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cervera:

maybe it is... can you send me a link?

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fugdnscerd:

trying to compile latest trunk... when i ./configure the it says "bindings_python no" what am i missing

[17:47:41]

cervera:

to be honest, i don't know much about xmltv, especially about what they have here in israel

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dekarl:

umm, that one? http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/Main_Page

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cervera:

dekarl: ooh! you're right! i didn't see that update? there was once a grabber for israel that was quite dead

[17:49:47]

dekarl:

if you're using wine, are you using linux? apt --something xmltv should get you a fresh release

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cervera:

thanks!

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sphery:

fugdnscerd: read configure script (and/or the changesets :)

[17:53:19]

sphery:

such as the one that says it will prevent installing python bindings if you're missing runtime dependencies

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Hey, jerk, why should he read the changesets when he has a channel full of people to translate them to non-threatening language for him? Youv'e got some nerve.

[17:55:14]

iamlindoro:

sphery: How do you expect anyone to play with development code if you introduce actual responsibilities for doing so? You are some piece of work, mister.

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sphery:

heh

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dekarl:

now you scared him ;)

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dekarl:

sphery: thanks for the max(starttime) hint... going from two weeks to three weeks (on 6 channels)

[17:59:56]

dekarl:

Updated programs: 1865 Unchanged programs: 3486

[18:00:04]

dekarl:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-05–12 23:56 and ended on 2010-05–12 23:56. Successful.

[18:02:53]

sphery:

so you had some crazy starttime in there?

[18:02:58]

iamlindoro:

His connection timed out, not my fault ;)

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dekarl:

guess he pulled the plug... no, but droping 5 days of data (xmltv default) on top of 2 weeks doesn't change max(start_time)

[18:04:27]

dekarl:

no I changed the default for "my" grabber and everything works with prefer=allatonce

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johnnyj:

hey someone asked about floods of ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> 'really long filename.mpg' statements recently, what was the casue of that?

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sphery:

johnnyj: changes to ProgramInfo

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sphery:

still in progress/unfinished

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johnnyj:

ah

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stuartm:

it relates to the ProgramInfo update events that were added, it's debugging code, can be safely ignored but may be useful in the event of any reported bugs

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stuartm:

!seen kkuphal

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MythLogBot:

kkuphal was last seen 222 days 1 hour 43 minutes 23 seconds ago

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iamlindoro:

!seen nigel

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MythLogBot:

nigel has not been seen here

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iamlindoro:

guess not

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stuartm:

!seen rkulagow

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MythLogBot:

rkulagow was last seen 1489 days 7 hours 34 minutes 8 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

didnt know mythlogbot had been around that long

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stuartm:

thought I'd seen him at some point

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janneg:

stuartm: probably only in #mythtv

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dekarl:

!seen laga

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sphery:

stuartm / iamlindoro : nigel has come to #mythtv before

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sphery:

maybe not

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sphery:

don't see him in logs

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wagnerrp:

isnt nigel the one doing upnp?

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sphery:

no, that's cdev

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wagnerrp:

nigel isnt cdev?

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** wagnerrp doesnt know these things yet **

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sphery:

nope, CDev is a magician – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/WhosWho

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gbee:

wagnerrp: cdev is dblain, who wrote most/all of the upnp code

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wagnerrp:

ah, dblain, thats who i was thinking of

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sphery:

street magician!

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gbee:

Nigel is responsible for the mediamonitor (detecting when CD/DVDs are inserted and acting upon that), plus the OSX port and recently fixes for the DVB HDHomeRun

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wagnerrp:

this one is just too good not to pass on... http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1650050&cid=32187246

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kalelme:

hello

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kalelme:

something is happening to me and I have not getting how to solve it, I have an encore ENLTV-FM 5.3, I have set up correctly, and it works, the problem I have is that the image quality is very bad, if I see the channel with tvtime, is the right way, at 720x480, but if I see from the mythtv (see tv), but is very poor quality, I tested the quality up in the configuration but the same thing. anyone has any suggestions

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wagnerrp:

tvtime just copies the raw frames into the video buffer, no processing done at all

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv is getting bad quality, and tvtime is not, edit your recording profile

[20:01:18]

wagnerrp:

bump up the resolution, bump up the bitrate

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kalelme:

ok take me a min try this

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oobe:

should take more than a min really

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kalelme:

lol ok ok

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tweek__:

which TV capture card do I buy

[20:54:31]

wagnerrp:

what do you want to capture?

[20:54:40]

tweek__:

and does it have to be some bt8x8 that's ten years old and from eBay or some foreign country

[20:55:22]

tweek__:

well, in this place I get mostly analog channels with a couple QAM

[20:56:31]

tweek__:

I live with my parents while attending grad school, they have a digital cable subscription. about two hundred encrypted channels, maybe four or five QAM

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wagnerrp:

encrypted channels are QAM

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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tweek__:

encrypted meaning 'good luck getting these without a cableCARD'

[20:57:51]

devinheitmueller:

tweek__: ... or an HD-PVR.

[20:58:03]

wagnerrp:

as detailed on that page

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tweek__:

you've gotta love the MPAA. Microsoft spends a bunch of time and effort into getting them to agree to something that maybe sort-of will allow legal, safe acquisition of subscriber content

[20:59:05]

tweek__:

and then they force them to sell it only with certain OEMs, with unbelievable restrictions

[20:59:10]

tweek__:

and then they deprecate cableCARD anyway

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devinheitmueller:

tweek__: the OEM restrictions were lifted.

[21:00:28]

tweek__:

that's a relief.

[21:00:38]

wagnerrp:

but youre still restricted to Windows MCE

[21:00:40]

devinheitmueller:

the big issue now is just that nobody sells cablecard capable capture devices.

[21:00:58]

wagnerrp:

and a cableco tech has to come in and authorize the deviec

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tweek__:

I'm not sure that I want to pay $X a month for an extra tuner. I'm assuming that means I'm limited to clearQAM?

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sphery:

Yep

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clever:

wagnerrp: sounds like it would have been better to force every STB to use the cable card

[21:09:58]

wagnerrp:

clever: every STB does use cablecard

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sphery:

MythTV doesn't do encrypted TV, and you need a separate set-top-box to decrypt any encrypted TV for you.

[21:10:01]

clever:

so i could just yank it from a working STB and stuff it into a capture card, like SIM cards on phones

[21:10:03]

kalelme:

wagnerrp: i try some config for RTjpeg and mpeg-4, quality remains poor, it seems two things 1 that he is creating the videos to 720x480 and there's a vibration (so to speak) in the video

[21:10:21]

clever:

wagnerrp: theres no removable card in my STB, though it has an empty slot or 2 its never used

[21:10:34]

wagnerrp:

clever: i bet if you crack it open, youll find one

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sphery:

besides, none of the capture cards support them

[21:10:49]

wagnerrp:

the whole purpose of cablecard was that everything was now using a modular crypto package

[21:10:58]

sphery:

and if they did, there wouldn't be Linux drivers for them

[21:11:01]

wagnerrp:

thats what this big stink over the DTAs and privacy mode has been

[21:11:13]

wagnerrp:

they went cheap by not including that modular crypto package

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clever:

wagnerrp: so in theory, i could rip the card out of an STB and then use it on a pc with a capable card, without having to re-auth it?

[21:11:32]

clever:

just keep paying the bill

[21:11:48]

wagnerrp:

clever: no, because each cablecard has to be authorized against a particular device

[21:12:10]

sphery:

besides, no drivers

[21:12:12]

clever:

ah, its aware of the serial# for its host device or something?

[21:12:29]

wagnerrp:

yes

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tweek__:

there's never any drivers

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clever:

probly wont ever be open-source drivers

[21:13:37]

clever:

protected video paths and open source just dont go together

[21:14:02]

wagnerrp:

and if you try to rev-eng it, and break through the crypto on your own, well then your a terrorist

[21:14:27]

clever:

isnt the law a bit weird in that area, you can rev-eng it for yourself

[21:14:31]

clever:

you just cant ever share it

[21:14:39]

wagnerrp:

can you?

[21:14:49]

clever:

i remember hearing that somewhere

[21:19:12]

tweek__:

well, let's say I don't care about high-def encrypted subscriber content. suppose I want an ATSC / NTSC dual tuner supported in Linux and maybe even in FreeBSD that isn't awful.

[21:19:39]

tweek__:

the two cards mentioned on this page, the A180 and the Kworld 110, don't seem to have decent analog support

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Anyone have any good ideas on how to reset your MythTV attached cable box remotely while away from your install location?

[21:27:25]

sphery:

reset as in power on/off?

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sphery:

should work fine with an IR transmitter

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sphery:

don't know about serial/usb, though

[21:28:54]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Power on/off doesn't always work. I was thinking a full hardware reset.

[21:28:57]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

The scenario was this

[21:28:59]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Away for a week.

[21:29:10]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Recordings were working, but the audio somehow stopped

[21:29:24]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

The only thing that restored it was cycling the cable box, which goes into the HDPVR

[21:29:38]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

The other question is how to monitor if your audio has gone out in the first place.

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sphery:

what do you mean by "cycling the cable box"? Something other than power off followed by power on?

[21:38:03]

sphery:

do you mean actually unplug the cable?

[21:38:29]

sphery:

if so, you could either use something like X10 or even a lamp timer (that shuts it off for 5 minutes every day)

[21:38:53]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: ^^^

[21:41:39]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I thought about X10, but there is no way to poll the status as efficiently. Someone implied you can initiate a soft reset over firewire

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wagnerrp:

2TB WD Green for $94 AMIR

[21:58:16]

tweek__:

get two, because one will fail in a month

[21:58:33]

wagnerrp:

rebate... one per household

[21:58:48]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Tweek__, not a big WD Green fan?

[21:59:02]

tweek__:

well, I just lost two WD Caviar drives in the last six months

[21:59:08]

tweek__:

and I'm told the green ones are worse

[21:59:12]

tweek__:

err, WD Caviar Blue

[21:59:29]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have several.

[21:59:50]

tweek__:

also, is it just me, or is every other god damned page on this wiki of the form 'don't use this card, the driver sucks and the analog support is bad anyway'

[21:59:58]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've used several.

[22:00:04]

sphery:

do we still have a MythMovieTimes?

[22:00:07]

sphery:

I thought it was deleted

[22:00:09]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Tweek__, no matter what happens, everyone hates everything.

[22:00:25]

tweek__:

what don't you guys hate?

[22:00:30]

wagnerrp:

tweek__: watch the language... and yes, there will be someone who hates EVERY card

[22:00:41]

tweek__:

give me something I can run down to Best Buy and pick up

[22:00:52]

wagnerrp:

and the people who hate them seem to have more staying power than those trying to keep such cruft off the wiki

[22:01:05]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, the wiki is an open format.

[22:02:30]

sphery:

guess we do still have MythMovieTimes

[22:03:17]

wagnerrp:

tweek__: the two cards you mentioned are framegrabbers

[22:03:33]

tweek__:

yeah, ideally I'd have an MPEG-2 encoder onboard like the one I have now

[22:03:35]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I should contribute more to the Wiki. One night I went in and rewrote a bunch of sections

[22:03:36]

wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are fine for immediate playback, but suck for recordings

[22:03:41]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv only does recordings

[22:04:01]

wagnerrp:

if you want analog recording, and dont want to spend a lot, pick up a 150 or 500 off ebay

[22:04:11]

sphery:

wagnerrp: are your spidey senses tingling? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288741.html

[22:04:37]

tweek__:

hauppage pvr-150 / pvr-500? I'd prefer a ATSC/NTSC hybrid so that it doesn't become completely useless in two years

[22:05:10]

wagnerrp:

then your options are the HVR-1600, and the .... well thats it

[22:05:13]

tweek__:

there's one embedded in the all-in-one Averatec upstairs, an AverTV 177 Bravo or something. works pretty well in Win7

[22:05:33]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont know if i really want to advertise that option

[22:05:41]

sphery:

heh

[22:05:56]

sphery:

I don't blame you

[22:06:35]

tweek__:

even the HVR-1600 is loaded with caveats. for example, conflict with the Nvidia proprietary drivers

[22:06:36]

devinheitmueller:

It's pretty hard to find cards where *all* aspects of them work well.

[22:06:48]

tweek__:

basically what you're saying is 'every card is awful in Linux, save your money'

[22:06:51]

** iamlindoro blames devinheitmueller **

[22:07:21]

devinheitmueller:

tweek__: you get what you pay for.

[22:07:34]

tweek__:

yeah, that's the usual line

[22:07:37]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, some things work better in Linux because the homegrown drivers are more stable than the manufacturer ones.

[22:07:49]

tweek__:

along with 'patches welcome' and 'you break it, you keep the pieces'

[22:07:55]

sphery:

devinheitmueller: actually, he gets what he pays for /plus/ a ton of driver code that you wrote and gave him for free

[22:07:57]

tweek__:

with the occasional 'YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP ZOMG'

[22:08:43]

devinheitmueller:

tweek__: Yup, you get tens of millions of manhours worth of free code for zero cost, but it won't always do exactly what you want it to.

[22:08:54]

devinheitmueller:

I'll tell you where to send the check.

[22:08:54]

iamlindoro:

tweek__, I'm not sure what you're hoping the reaction would be? Everyone here is a hobbyist doing the work for free in their spare time, not sure what they can do besides their best

[22:09:22]

iamlindoro:

The reality is that most of us work on things up until they become not-fun, or until they work well for our own purposes--

[22:09:36]

iamlindoro:

and things becoming not fun is generally hastened by ingrates and unkind users :)

[22:09:37]

sphery:

the way I see it, you get source code so that when it doesn't "always do exactly what [I] want it to", I can put in a bit of my own time and make it do what I want it to

[22:09:47]

sphery:

but then again, I don't know how this whole FOSS thing works

[22:10:12]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, that is the question I ask. How do I be a kind user?

[22:10:18]

sphery:

After all, I'd never threaten the developer of MythWeb, telling him he better rewrite MythWeb in Python or else.

[22:10:29]

wagnerrp:

sphery: surely not... now get back to work, i demand you rewrite the database backup utility in Lisp

[22:10:36]

iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru, You seem a reasonable type from our limited interaction, so whatever you're doing is fine :)

[22:10:52]

sphery:

wagnerrp: but I'm 3/4 done with the Haskell version!

[22:11:08]

iamlindoro:

Oh, and I should mention that we generally care to go out of our way to help the kind users a lot more readily :)

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tweek__:

just seems weird to have developers and support crews on one side saying stuff like 'it's just a hobbyist project, there's no guarantees at all'

[22:11:33]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I try to be reasonable. I just realize everyone is volunteering and don't want to get on their nerves.

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sphery:

tweek__: when you start paying me a salary, I'll give you a different attitude

[22:12:04]

tweek__:

and users / developers on the other side saying stuff like 'this is the best anything ever and is 100% easy to use and the world needs to adapt to this'

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iamlindoro:

tweek__, But it *is* a hobbyist project, and there *are* no guarantees-- I have no idea how there could be!

[22:12:25]

iamlindoro:

Well, I have an idea, but it's out of most people's price range

[22:12:34]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I got annoyed when I tried to defend MythTV on the HTPCentric podcast and get criticized by some Media Center people because MythTV doesn't honor analog broadcast flags, after I maintained many Linux users would accept some DRM if it got us more content.

[22:12:59]

iamlindoro:

I spend more time on myth in any given week than I do on my paying job-- I figure at the end of the day my best effort is all people are entitled to-- and they're not really even entitled to that

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wagnerrp:

we cant accept DRM, it just doesnt work that way

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sphery:

unfortunately DRM can't accept us

[22:13:29]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that phrasing is better

[22:14:02]

tweek__:

DRM is fine when done right, and good luck getting Hollywood to care about Linux TV when they're too busy trying to quash MCE TV

[22:14:02]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, I meant that Linux users would accept the requirement of some DRM to get the content.

[22:14:02]

wagnerrp:

open source code can simply be recompiled with the bits preventing user access to the content removed

[22:14:06]

devinheitmueller:

The V4L API actually has a mechanism for announcing the presence of Macrovision to application. Of course it's up to the application to respect it (and it is trivial to recompile without it if one desired)

[22:14:20]

wagnerrp:

you simply cannot use DRM on an open source platform

[22:14:23]

wagnerrp:

its impossible

[22:14:37]

iamlindoro:

well, cannot use and prevent its defeat, anyway

[22:14:44]

iamlindoro:

you can add it all you like

[22:14:49]

iamlindoro:

you just can't stop people turning it off :)

[22:15:13]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

What if you plug in a closed source binary blob encoder/decoder into an open-source project?

[22:15:25]

tweek__:

then the Linux kernel devs whine

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Admittedly, that is also probably too easy to bypass and record out the other end

[22:15:37]

tweek__:

and strncmp your kernel module out of everything

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wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: youve got to have a closed source block covering the entire path between the capture card to the video card

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm realistic it likely won't happen. I was making the point that linux users weren't inherently pirates who want to steal every bit of content and torrent it to all their friends.

[22:16:18]

tweek__:

but anyway, all I came here for was a recommendation on a card to purchase

[22:16:31]

wagnerrp:

and then you have to have similar blocks deep in the kernel to prevent the user from simply accessing those spaces in memory

[22:16:37]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Tweek__, if you want all digital, I still love the Silicondust HdHomerun.

[22:16:57]

wagnerrp:

basically, theres a LOT of work you have to do to make a good effort to block access

[22:16:58]

tweek__:

I can't do all-digital. the majority of the stuff I'm interested in is analog NTSC

[22:17:14]

wagnerrp:

and all youre going to end up doing is severely limiting the capability of your product

[22:17:16]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

You still get analog? Lucky you.

[22:17:18]

wagnerrp:

its not worth the effort

[22:17:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

wagnerrp, I agree with you.

[22:17:37]

devinheitmueller:

tweek__: the HVR-1600 isn't a bad choice. The drivers have about 1000 hours of engineering behind them.

[22:17:46]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I was trying to defend the honor of the Linux user as a good citizen

[22:18:09]

devinheitmueller:

The only known issue is if you're on a 32-bit platform you might need to set a kernel startup option to work around a bug in the Nvidia driver.

[22:18:31]

tweek__:

64-bit.

[22:18:44]

tweek__:

no other major show-stoppers?

[22:18:44]

devinheitmueller:

tweek__: then you shouldn't have any problems (assuming a relatively recent distro)

[22:19:12]

devinheitmueller:

(in the interest of full disclosure, I put a couple hundred hours into the card so I might be considered biased)

[22:20:13]

devinheitmueller:

It will get harder and harder to find analog cards which are well supported. There are fewer people using them and it just isn't worth the effort.

[22:20:32]

devinheitmueller:

(analog tends to be *significantly* more work to write the drivers for then digital cards)

[22:20:56]

devinheitmueller:

... which is why there are lots of hybrid cards out there where only the digital half of the card is supported under Linux.

[22:21:00]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Devinheitmueller, digital is superior. Just harder to get content.

[22:21:30]

devinheitmueller:

GadgetWisdomGuru: you're preaching to the choir.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

One of these days, the cable company will chase me entirely to OTA antennas and flash video(which I dislike for a whole other reason)

[22:24:29]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Whole other discussion.

[22:25:07]

tweek__:

it's weird that Apple of all companies is leading the fight against Flash

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wagnerrp:

why is that weird?

[22:25:31]

wagnerrp:

thats directly in line with everything theyve done in recent history

[22:25:44]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But HTML5 would help us as Linux users, so...

[22:26:25]

wagnerrp:

html5 would help them keep full control over their products

[22:26:34]

wagnerrp:

rather than some 3rd party API being involved

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I wonder what we could do with it.

[22:27:14]

wagnerrp:

theyve always threatened or litigated their way into full control of their platforms

[22:27:24]

wagnerrp:

you can only run OSX on their hardware

[22:27:40]

wagnerrp:

you can only run programs purchased through their appstore

[22:27:44]

sphery:

and if the rumors about Apple Gianduia are true, they're using this to kill an industry before they try to take it their way

[22:27:45]

wagnerrp:

etc....

[22:27:57]

tweek__:

well, it's beneficial to non-Apple users too, and that's what is weird about it

[22:28:09]

sphery:

i.e. kill Flash, replace Flash, then they own the industry

[22:29:07]

tweek__:

one other thing before I run out and look for this card

[22:29:28]

tweek__:

does MythTV / XBMC / -something- play nice with MC recorded TV?

[22:29:42]

wagnerrp:

mc?

[22:29:48]

wagnerrp:

windows MC?

[22:29:49]

tweek__:

Win7 Media Center

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sphery:

tweek__: for another reason why Apple may be pushing HTML5 (and why it won't end up helping others): http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source . . . amp;gs_rfai=

[22:29:58]

wagnerrp:

only if the content is not encrypted

[22:30:10]

wagnerrp:

and anything cablecard is going to be stored to the disk encrypted

[22:30:27]

sphery:

and only if MythTV can get local file system access to the content

[22:30:38]

sphery:

i.e. MythTV doesn't play UPnP

[22:30:46]

tweek__:

don't have a cableCARD, but I noticed the .ms-dvr or whatever files are basically MPEG-2 with captioning and such added

[22:31:25]

iamlindoro:

MPEG-2 doesn't need msdvr to include captions, it includes those coming frmo your broadcaster

[22:31:44]

iamlindoro:

msdvr is just a remux into ASF container, and adds DRM

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sphery:

so that you can UPnP it on your XBox 360

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wagnerrp:

god knows freely broadcast content needs DRM

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sphery:

DRM = Digital Restrictions for Microsoft

[22:33:13]

wagnerrp:

have to support that copy flag, no matter the costs

[22:33:58]

tweek__:

they got screwed hard

[22:38:03]

kalelme:

I've been thinking that my problem might be the way that myth makes tuning of channels, which may be different than it does tvtime. since the image vibrates, even if I give the menu M is vibrating

[22:39:20]

iamlindoro:

playback profile -> Slim

[22:39:33]

tweek__:

where was that 2TB WD Green drive?

[22:39:55]

tweek__:

maybe it won't fail as fast if I don't have it on all the time, who knows

[22:40:14]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

How much recording storage memory do you all have, out of curiousity?

[22:40:50]

wagnerrp:

900GB, plus another 5.5TB archival

[22:40:55]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: someone in here has 22TB

[22:40:58]

sphery:

I have 8.5TB

[22:42:42]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm have serious terabyte envy here

[22:42:56]

wagnerrp:

sphery and i are middling installs

[22:42:58]

ver:

32mb usb drive

[22:43:08]

ver:

... i only record a commercial, then i'm done.

[22:43:09]

sphery:

that would fill up fast

[22:43:14]

sphery:

heh

[22:43:22]

tweek__:

I have a 300GB raid-1 in my server, and that's pretty much it

[22:43:26]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have under 3TB

[22:43:37]

ver:

750mb storage here.

[22:43:40]

ver:

er, gb

[22:43:41]

ver:

heh

[22:43:57]

tweek__:

http://tinyurl.com/yk3z84r

[22:44:13]

sphery:

yeah, 750GB isn't bad.

[22:44:36]

sphery:

with today's prices, you should probably start around 750GB or 1TB or even just go for the 1.5TB or 2TB

[22:44:51]

sphery:

I started with 160GB

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tweek__:

this is almost too good to be true

[22:45:11]

tweek__:

I buy $80 WD Caviar Blue drives, 300GB, from Best Buy for $80

[22:46:18]

wagnerrp:

can you still get 750s?

[22:47:11]

sphery:

9 models at newegg

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tweek__:

this bhphotovideo store sells the HVR-1600 too

[22:49:47]

tweek__:

any differences between the various models? white box, etc.

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Gav88in:

So, I accidentally added ~3tb of recordings to MythArchive's create DVD list.

[23:10:57]

Gav88in:

I have no idea how to remove them, besides one by one, which sounds a bit tedious.

[23:11:05]

Gav88in:

I'm wondering: does anyone here have a good idea?

[23:15:50]

tweek__:

why don't you just hunt down the record list in the config data

[23:16:11]

tweek__:

I mean, I don't know anything about MythTV but that's what I'd try

[23:16:34]

sphery:

Gav88in: I know there's some way to do it, but I have no idea how

[23:17:02]

Gav88in:

sphery, heh. presumably, since burning does it. i'm guessing it's a database operation.

[23:17:06]

sphery:

did you try using D (as it would be faster than removing each through the menu)

[23:17:15]

sphery:

no, there's a way in the UI

[23:17:28]

sphery:

I remember Paul telling someone how to do it on hte -users list once

[23:17:37]

sphery:

but I haven't been able to find that post since then

[23:17:38]

Gav88in:

ah. ok, it's not in the keymap in the UI

[23:17:48]

Gav88in:

D is no good, my list is so long that "scanning files..." takes a while

[23:17:51]

sphery:

yeah, it was something that seemed rather hidden

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Gav88in:

i'm in an O(N^2) hell

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Gav88in:

perhaps i put a weight on my D key, and go to bed!

[23:20:03]

sphery:

heh

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tweek__:

marge, I just tripled my productivity

[23:20:16]

sphery:

that was a good episode

[23:21:36]

Gav88in:

oh, this is good

[23:21:41]

Gav88in:

from recordingselector.h, I show you:

[23:21:50]

Gav88in:

header for the recording selector interface screen

[23:22:02]

Gav88in:

(entire description text in the header)

[23:22:04]

Gav88in:

heh

[23:22:40]

tweek__:

whoever first said 'the source is the documentation'

[23:22:47]

tweek__:

and got other people to start parroting it

[23:22:50]

tweek__:

really needs to be shot

[23:23:38]

wagnerrp:

obviously youve never used python

[23:24:00]

tweek__:

oh, it's easy to make unreadable python

[23:24:18]

wagnerrp:

throughly documented python code is basically its own `man` page

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sphery:

Sweet... Going through my e-mails marked as TODOs in mythtv-users, I just found one that's OBE

[23:25:00]

sphery:

(on 2 counts, actually)

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Gav88in:

OBE?

[23:25:22]

sphery:

Overcome By Events

[23:25:35]

sphery:

no longer have to fix the problem because of other changes

[23:25:39]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/313146#313146 is the post

[23:26:05]

sphery:

basically, a bug in the mythrename that got moved to the bindings

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Gav88in:

ah.

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sphery:

but since the bindings removed the buggy code usage and mythrename doesn't really exist, now...

[23:26:42]

Gav88in:

btw, nice to see you sphery. i have a new job now, i have been busy.

[23:26:52]

sphery:

nice, congrats

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JonathanM:

any one have any experience with MythBuntu and a HVR-1600? It won't detect any channels on either tuner, and yes it is plugged in ;)

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[R]:

JonathanM: "detect"?

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sphery:

Gav88in: btw, you look to be a factor of 11 older, now

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sphery:

seems time flies

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JonathanM:

when it does the channel scan on the myth tv backend setup

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[R]:

analog scanning is pretty broken

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Gav88in:

yeah, that'll happen.

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sphery:

JonathanM: North America?

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Gav88in:

88 is the luckiest of silent numbers to put in your name

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sphery:

JonathanM: if so, don't scan for channels on analog

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JonathanM:

yeah but it's plugged into a comcast cable line that works

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sphery:

on digital scan should work fine

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[R]:

JonathanM: and? that's still analog scanning

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sphery:

but I /highly/ recommend that you upgrade to current 0.23-fixes

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[R]:

unless you are attempting QAM scanning

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sphery:

JonathanM: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 has a bit of info on getting channels set up in North America

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[R]:

which will most likely fail on comcast

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sphery:

JonathanM: and for Comcast, you likely need http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

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sphery:

for the digital side

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JonathanM:

<[R]> I'm just trying to record the freebie comcast channels (analogue) or watch them

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[R]:

which brings me back to

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[R]:

[08:28:28] [R] analog scanning is pretty broken

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sphery:

which brings me back to

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JonathanM:

[R] would a different version of mythbuntu fix the analog scanning or a different kernel / driver or something?

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sphery:

JonathanM: if so, don't scan for channels on analog

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sphery:

I.e. you /never/ scan for analog channels in North America

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sphery:

JonathanM: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

you're doing it wrong

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sphery:

don't scan for channels

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sphery:

don't scan for channels

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JonathanM:

ok i'll read the thread sphery

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sphery:

don't scan for channels

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sphery:

:)

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JonathanM:

thank all of ya'll for the help

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JonathanM:

just not really sure how to go about doing the backend setup in 10.04

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sphery:

if nothing else, read the paragraph, "If you're (a North American user) using an analog source: Do /not/ scan for channels."

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sphery:

Where "DataDirect" = "Schedules Direct" = http://www.schedulesdirect.org/

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Gav88in:

well, i'm stuck!

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JonathanM:

ok one side note

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JonathanM:

is there a way on the console to have it change the "Channel" of /dev/Video0

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JonathanM:

so i can cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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[R]:

theres some v4l control apps

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sphery:

v4l2ctl

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JonathanM:

ok i'll google that one

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JonathanM:

thank a lot!

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Gav88in:

RTFS reveals: DELETE FROM archiveitems; oughta do what i want

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Gav88in:

i can't find a key or menu binding that gets me there though

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Gav88in:

and this, sir, is why i'm paid the big bux

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kalelme:

wagnerrp: thx for all the problem was the video explorer, i set to progresive and the video are work perfect

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kalelme:

is posible set this option for the fault?

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kalelme:

default

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kalelme:

:P

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iamlindoro:

no, you just worked around it, you turned the deinterlacer off

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iamlindoro:

You just need to choose the correct playback profile (as I mentioned several hours ago)

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sphery:

kalelme: no, the problem is that you're using the wrong playback profile settings... You should go to Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen and change the Playback Profile group to Slim

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page 3

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iamlindoro:

playback profile->Slim

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sphery:

so, I was half slower than you and half faster...

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sphery:

don't know how to score that one

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iamlindoro:

I say I win

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

At most we get a zero-sum

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Gav88in:

if you ask me, you're both winners.

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** Gav88in hands out stickers. **

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