Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, May 13th, 2010, 00:01 AST

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kalelme:

wow thx work perfect

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kalelme:

lol

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kalelme:

3 days

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kalelme:

very very thx

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dougt:

if I have a recording named something like /var/lib/mythtv/recording/7750_20100506130000.mpg, and I create a transcoding next to this file like 7750_20100506130000.flv (or whatever), when the recording gets deleted, will it also clean up the .flv file?

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Captain_Murdoch:

dougt, no

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wagnerrp:

for the moment, myth will only recognize one file per recording

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wagnerrp:

you can however write you won system event job to clean up any matching files at the time of deletion

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dougt:

ah, that is perfect.

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dougt:

that is the system event stuff in 0.23?

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, multiple-files-per-recording is another feature being slowly worked on. (still in concept stages, no actual code other than a proof of concept test I did a while back)

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Captain_Murdoch:

and even then, if Myth doesn't know about teh .flv, it wouldn't delete it. it won't delete using wildcard filenames.

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Captain_Murdoch:

currently the only place we delete like thatis the png preview pixmaps and that's because they have different sizes in the filenames.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch is single-handedly coding up a number of cool things to go in for .24 and .25

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dougt:

Go Go Captain_Murdoch !

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JohnQ:

I seem to get some stuttering when playing back hdtv whcih was recorded on the hdpvr... my cpu should be more than up to the task (Athlon 64 X2 6400+)... anyone have suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

no, probably marginal on that processor

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JohnQ:

Does turning down the bitrate help much?

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wagnerrp:

linearly

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wagnerrp:

by that i mean that the power required for decoding scales almost linearly with bitrate

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wagnerrp:

with all other settings remaining the same

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JohnQ:

Gotcha

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JohnQ:

Default settings are pretty high bitrate iirc...

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wagnerrp:

dont know off hand

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wagnerrp:

thats an old 939 chip, right?

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sphery:

GT220

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sphery:

or better

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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JohnQ:

Not sure which chip youre talking about :-)

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wagnerrp:

the 6400+ is an old 939, first generation athlon64

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JohnQ:

I dont think so...

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JohnQ:

One sec.

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wagnerrp:

no, seems its a second generation AM2

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JohnQ:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athl . . . roprocessors has good info

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JohnQ:

Its 3.2 Ghz

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JohnQ:

I would have thought it would be sufficient..

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JohnQ:

It seems to be the beefiest thing my mobo will take too.

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JohnQ:

Oh well, I guess I'll just turn down the bitrate and see what happens.

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iamlindoro:

or try selecting a much simpler deinterlacer

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iamlindoro:

ie, with that processor and HD-PVR, you should almost definitely be using "Slim"

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JohnQ:

Where's that setting live?

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JohnQ:

Ahh

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JohnQ:

Slim

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JohnQ:

Kay

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback Settings, page 3

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iamlindoro:

it's a good first step before changing recording profiles, anyway

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JohnQ:

Excellent. I'll try that (It was set to CPU++)

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iamlindoro:

yikes, definitely don't want that :)

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JohnQ:

That seems to have fixed it.

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JohnQ:

mythfrontend is still at "105% CPU", but no stutters...

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JohnQ:

You are my hero.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I was just saying that a little vdpau would go a long way

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iamlindoro:

enjoy ;)

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JohnQ:

I dont think my video card supports vdpau...

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JohnQ:

I wish it did...

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sphery:

JohnQ: that's why I said, "GT220"

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sphery:

i.e. get one :)

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JohnQ:

Ah

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sphery:

but if what you have fulfills your needs, no worries

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sphery:

now that you have it usable

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JohnQ:

I think with "Slim" my problems are gone... so I think I am happy.

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JohnQ:

But if it comes back, I will definitely consider it.

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JohnQ:

Thanks a load everyone!

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JohnQ:

Night.

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iamlindoro:

Slimness is good for us all

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Pwen:

hi all. I have just updated my mythvideo to the latest version packaged by Mythbuntu, and in addition to doing a Jamu mass update, one of these (or both) have combined to make the "Watch Videos" menu nonfunctional on my Myth install.

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Pwen:

by nonfunctional I mean that when pushing enter to open the video interface, nothing happens. the same is not true for livetv, or the options menus, or listen to music etc.

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Guest2753:

is theer a config for lirc when myth isnt running?

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Pwen:

oh, maybe I should check the startup output: Plugin mythvideo (0.23.20100429–1) binary version does not match libraries (0.23.20100404–1)

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Pwen:

wonder how I can fix that?

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clever:

recompile/install the plugins

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Pwen:

clever: I will try an aptitude reinstall, but I suspect this is the fault of a Mythbuntu package maintainer

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clever:

yeah, if its a binary package then its the packagers fault

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clever:

HE needs to recompile it and make a new package

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clever:

(or she)

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Pwen:

coolio. well, thanks. Ill have to bug them about it in #ubuntu-mythtv ^_^

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dad__:

hi

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dad__:

i want to from a script clear the screen

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dad__:

when i swap from mythtv to xbmc

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dad__:

i use a script to swap from xbmc to myth programmed to a buton onmy remote

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dad__:

when i switch the desktop comes up for about 2 seconds while xbmc or myth is being killed

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sulx:

why not start myth/xbmc switchscript directly upon X

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sulx:

I just launch mythfrontend from xinit

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emanuelez:

hmm.... I finally found a channels.conf file in a format that MythTV actually parses (DVB-S). but after the parsing it comes p with hundreds of conflicting channels... any hint?

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martin-lb:

I'm having newbie issues with EPG. I can watch all channels, the mythfilldatabase is done but no EPG is available. If I look via the web interface the xmltv-id corresponds to the XML epg feed, but the channel number field is empty on some channels and "_701" or some other number on others

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martin-lb:

Any hints on what to do next?

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emanuelez:

how do i delete all my current channels

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emanuelez:

?

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dad__:

martin-lb, it depenps on what epg you are using

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dad__:

are you using eit

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dad__:

obvisousltyt not

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martin-lb:

dad__: Nope, downloading from the internet via v_grab_se_swedb

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martin-lb:

running mythfilldatabase --manual now.. but not sure what to put in the "Choose a channel number (just like xawtv)" field

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dad__:

have you set a cron job to get your xmltv data

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martin-lb:

i did a manual 'mythfilldatabase' which downloaded stuff, it took a few minutes.. so I think the data is downloaded, but not mapped correct

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dad__:

do you use a prgram to retriev xmltv data or is collected with myth (*i dont know idf it does this as I use a seperate program to collect my xml data

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dad__:

if its not mapped correctly open the back end and select each channel and check the settings on each channel

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dad__:

on wher it gets its dat from you wil have to choose from a list hopefully

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martin-lb:

Well, the problem is that I don't really know what to do with the settings ;)

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martin-lb:

I've opened the web gui

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dad__:

nah open the back end

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martin-lb:

and I'm looking at the channels configuration

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dad__:

and go to channels

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dad__:

mythweb wont have a clisyt of xml channeld that havebeen downloaded

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martin-lb:

I've got "xmltv-id", channel nummber, shortname, longname etc

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martin-lb:

ah, ok

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martin-lb:

hang on..

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martin-lb:

I'm in the channel editor

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martin-lb:

I can see that it has found icons for some of the channels

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emanuelez:

i got the importing of channels.conf to work but now mythtv find so many channel dependencies and wants me to find a number for each one of them... hundreds! any hint?

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emanuelez:

i got the importing of channels.conf to work but now mythtv find so many channel dependencies and wants me to find a number for each one of them... hundreds! any hint?

[07:35:47]

emanuelez:

i got the importing of channels.conf to work but now mythtv find so many channel conflicts and wants me to find a number for each one of them... hundreds! any hint?

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Jay2k1:

hmm, so i can't use mythtranscode to cut out commercials of hd recordings (h.264) apparently... any hints how to do that? from the storage point, it's more important than ever, because hd eats up so much more space...

[08:02:46]

wagnerrp:

HDPVR recordings are smaller than previous recordings off digital tuners

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Jay2k1:

uhm, 2hrs sd is between 2 and 3 gb, my hd recording which is 2h3m has 12gb

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Jay2k1:

and it could be 9 removing pre-roll, post-roll and comms

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emanuelez:

i got the importing of channels.conf to work but now mythtv find so many channel conflicts and wants me to find a number for each one of them... hundreds! any hint?

[08:08:45]

Jay2k1:

skip them

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emanuelez:

cancel all?

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Jay2k1:

yes

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Jay2k1:

that's what i did anyway

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emanuelez:

then I only get a handful of channels out of the almost 3000 that the channels.conf contained

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Jay2k1:

i went through the first 20 or so and realised it's only doublettes

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wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: that same recording from a digital tuner would be 14–16GB

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Jay2k1:

what you mean, digital tuner?

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Jay2k1:

i'm talking about dvb-c all the time

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wagnerrp:

there are tuners for dvb-c

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wagnerrp:

even ones with CAMs usable for conditional access systems

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Jay2k1:

yeah, i have such a card, a knc one

[08:11:26]

christi_p:

Hey, I've an odd problem with my mythtv sound. I want to get mythtv sound output via hdmi to my tv. Therefore I chose the setting "ALSA:hdmi" in the general settings. It works for my music but not for livetv and recordings. What am I making wrong? ;)

[08:11:37]

wagnerrp:

and its recordings will be larger than that of the HDPVR

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Jay2k1:

w/o cam though, as my cable provider does not encrypt free channels

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Jay2k1:

HDPVR? i am talking about "normal" dvb-c-channels and hd channels on dvb-c, of which there are a few here

[08:13:12]

Jay2k1:

so its perfectly logical that the hd material is larger than the non-hd stuff

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wagnerrp:

oh, usually the only people asking about cutting h264 recordings are HDPVR users

[08:13:24]

wagnerrp:

my mistake

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Jay2k1:

well, i only just noticed it is h.264 because i wanted to cut it, using the lossless method

[08:14:15]

wagnerrp:

all HD over here is mpeg2, meaning 13–18mbps, as opposed to HDPVR recordings which will be 10–13mbps

[08:14:28]

Jay2k1:

ah

[08:14:43]

Jay2k1:

well, i guess that's why they air in h.264 here ;)

[08:15:11]

Jay2k1:

also, the channels i am talking about are 720p

[08:15:47]

wagnerrp:

anyway... youve got the same problem as all the HDPVR users, as they cannot clip their recordings with mythtranscode either

[08:16:04]

Jay2k1:

anyway, their schedule is a bit off quite often, because they have some live shows that extend their scheduled air time often

[08:16:10]

wagnerrp:

this thread may be of use... http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40885

[08:16:37]

Jay2k1:

so i need to add about 30 minutes post-roll, so you can imagine the final recording is way larger than it needs to be, especially if there are commercials in it

[08:17:57]

christi_p:

Hey, I've an odd problem with my mythtv sound. I want to get mythtv sound output via hdmi to my tv. Therefore I chose the setting "ALSA:hdmi" in the general settings. It works for my music but not for livetv and recordings. Does anyone have a hint?

[08:18:38]

wagnerrp:

christi_p: its only been six minutes

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wagnerrp:

its not that were ignoring you, just no one currently in here knows what your problem is

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wagnerrp:

only thing i can think of is a problem with your audio passthrough settings

[08:19:41]

christi_p:

yep, sorry, I'm just pretty desperate...

[08:20:14]

christi_p:

where can i change these passthrough settings?

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justinh:

bah. anyone ever tried to get people who link to a site to update their links? what a mare. course if I'd been able to convince this club to go to nominet get their rightful domain back..

[08:20:31]

wagnerrp:

frontend setup

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Jay2k1:

hmm, this basically says i have to move the recordings to another computer and manually cut them with some software, i thought maybe there'd be a nice way to integrate with myth... i found this thread

[08:21:31]

Jay2k1:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/345512

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Jay2k1:

that guy uses ffmpeg in two steps. perhaps that method could be used in a shell script which can be run as user job

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Jay2k1:

so i take it it's not planned to make mythtranscode capable of handling h.264?

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justinh:

huh? course it will.. one day... all it'll take is for somebody to implement it

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Dibblah:

The plan is that mythtranscode disappears entirely.

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Dibblah:

Disks are cheap.

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: the purpose is for commercial stripping, not transcoding

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Dibblah:

Only kidding – The plan is to internalise mythtranscode, for stuff like live playback, etc.

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wagnerrp:

works for mpeg2 content, not h264

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Dibblah:

Or was, last time I heard.

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justinh:

could be a way off though. Need iiiiiiiiiiiiinput!

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Jay2k1:

sure disks are cheap, but if you have a combined FE/BE like me, space is limited, also the more disks, the more energy / heat / noise

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justinh:

by that I mean all contributions which aren't whining, posturing or merely *suggesting* are welcomed

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justinh:

muh muh muh

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wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: nah, it just means you need more space, nothing stopping you from spinning them down when not in use

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justinh:

so by that line, small box – you logically can't afford to keep it all :D

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justinh:

you're gonna run out of space sooner or later

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Jay2k1:

i'll surely do :)

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justinh:

heck even people with PB worth of storage are gonna run out eventually

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Jay2k1:

yes.

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wagnerrp:

no they arent

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justinh:

but then the people with PB aren't expecting to house it all in a tiny box under the teevee

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Jay2k1:

so the goal should be to move that point of running outta space as far as possible

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wagnerrp:

there just isnt time to watch that much content in a lifetime at current bitrates

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justinh:

wagnerrp: heh. as if having time to watch stuff was ever an argument against squirreling things away :P

[08:28:35]

justinh:

I know at least 5 habitual copyright infringers whose aim is simply to collect all they can. watching stuff doesn't seem to figure on their agenda much :-\

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Jay2k1:

well, for me it's mainly about recording and keeping good movies which are worth watching more than once, especially as i can now record them with 5.1 sound

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wagnerrp:

at standard 2MB/s broadcast, 1PB is some 17yrs of content

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Jay2k1:

and watching my favourite tv series later, skipping comms

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Jay2k1:

i have 1TB, 200gig free atm, after auto expire it'll be about 500gig

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i knew someone like that, they were very proud when they reached 1000 burned dvds of crap

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Jay2k1:

whatever makes them happy i guess o.O

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wagnerrp:

about a year and a half at standard crappy download bitrates

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wagnerrp:

of course theyll spend most of that time swapping out DVDs

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Jay2k1:

i have once seen someone on the internet with five dual-tuner cards in his box :S

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justinh:

so? I have 3 DVB-T tuners, all turned up to 5 max recordings per card :)

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wagnerrp:

10>>3

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justinh:

nobody said what kind of tuner cards

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justinh:

coulda been pvr500.. or ATSC... those are pretty useless at multirec cos of the way stuff is laid out over there..so I heard

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wagnerrp:

hey now... you can record all of PBS at once

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Jay2k1:

i have one dvb-c card (4 per multiplex afaik) and one dvb-t (same), but dvb-t quality is worse than cable, also they don't broadcast ac3 sound over dvb-t

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justinh:

they don't do that here either. but fwiw, most stuff isn't worth having in surround.. certainly not teevees

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wagnerrp:

what do they use instead? mpeg2?

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justinh:

yup

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Brad-D:

morning gang

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Chiwauwa:

Hi

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Chiwauwa:

I have two KNC One DVB-C capture cards. They both seem to work flawlessly ... when they are detected. From time to time only one of the cards is registered. MythTV reports a problem with tuner 2 under System info. I believe that I've seen something similar on Windows – the driver is not correctly installed. 'lspci -v' is providing the following input: http://pastebin.com/JUAwvaqE so for me it seems like both cards are detected? Anyone with similar

[10:00:08]

Chiwauwa:

experiences /suggestions on how to solve this. I've tried playing around with modprobe but I have limited experience with this and it did not make a difference.

[10:01:50]

Chiwauwa:

I know that this is not a problem with MythTV.

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have an entry in /dev/dvb for your card, thats more an issue for #linuxtv or #your-distro to help with

[10:02:22]

Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp, Thanks.

[10:02:27]

markl_:

maybe dmesg can help?

[10:02:33]

markl_:

sometimes you can find interesting errors there

[10:02:37]

Chiwauwa:

Dmesg only present one card

[10:02:55]

wagnerrp:

maybe try a different slot?

[10:03:02]

wagnerrp:

physical slot on the motherbaord

[10:03:05]

Chiwauwa:

Sometimes is shows two ... that is the odd thing. Might also be an issue with the card

[10:03:32]

Chiwauwa:

I only have two PCI cards. Also tried to assign static IRQ in the bios but these seems to overridden by something else

[10:03:42]

Chiwauwa:

PCI slots

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Chiwauwa:

I was just thinking that if lspci -v shows the card then I might be able to get it up and running when the system is up and running and detecting that only one card is present

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Chiwauwa:

Ok, thank you for your help on this.

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johnnyj:

does anyone know how fast gossamer-threads updates their archives to match the users list?

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wagnerrp:

maybe half hour to hour behind. why?

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Chiwauwa:

Ive now been playing with MythTV for the last couple of weeks. I must say that I'm very impressed with it. Looked at it 5 years ago and went with the MS solution (MythTV at least for me required too many command line exercises from time to time) at that time. Then came DVB-C and the problems with DVB-C support in MS. Have then been trying out MediaPortal for 6 months but for me the releases bacame more and more unstable, so I thought why not try M

[10:11:39]

Chiwauwa:

ythTV again – I have no issues with a lot of configuration if the system is stable afterwards and this seems to be the case with MythTV. All three systems have theire advantages/disadvantages but I think that I will stay MythTV for now :-).

[10:11:42]

johnnyj:

i was gonna link to it and ask sphery his opinion on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/436207 and I noticed the last message isn't present

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johnnyj:

it's no big deal, just curious

[10:12:28]

wagnerrp:

you can always use the official archive

[10:13:09]

wagnerrp:

see the link at the bottom of any email

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Chiwauwa:

Just wanted to give some positive feedback on MythTV.

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johnnyj:

Chiwauwa – glad to have ya

[10:14:50]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users is updated in real time

[10:15:16]

johnnyj:

wagnerrp – thanks

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sphery:

johnnyj: it seems mostly random when it's updated

[10:17:35]

sphery:

and that guy is using KDE

[10:17:43]

sphery:

and the screen door is his screensaver

[10:17:49]

sphery:

and the problem is the bug in xdg-screensaver.

[10:18:10]

wagnerrp:

sphery: does gossamer subscribe? or do they just scrape pipermail

[10:18:24]

sphery:

I'll be updating trunk to just disable xdg-screensaver for all KDE users, then submitting a patch to freedesktop for xdg-screensaver.

[10:18:48]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure. I just know that their updates seem to come at random times throughout the day

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sphery:

maybe they just do the digest mail :)

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wagnerrp:

isnt that only once a day?

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johnnyj:

sphery – sweet – so I'll leave replying to the thread to you?

[10:20:30]

sphery:

sure

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any opinion on #2782?

[10:24:32]

wagnerrp:

personally, i dont know whether thats actually a good idea

[10:25:00]

wagnerrp:

all it checks is CPU load, so if the load is low because youre doing a disk intensive program

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wagnerrp:

such as moving stuff around, or commercial clipping, or rebuilding the seek table

[10:25:25]

wagnerrp:

adding additional jobs would be a bad thing

[10:26:04]

wagnerrp:

similarly, if those jobs are intentionally running at less than full speed, such as the lowest priority on the commflagger, adding additional jobs would be a bad thing

[10:28:14]

wagnerrp:

i only ask since im working on reimplementing the jobqueue

[10:28:28]

wagnerrp:

maybe add some additional database flag for a job saying it is allowed to autoscale

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm actually against that--especially the implementation there. I think Captain_Murdoch had some ideas for a cleaner implementation--which is why it's a 3-yr-old, unapplied patch.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: see, also, the thread on list: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/240415#240415

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Heh, from that thread: "I have > 480 hours of TV (including commercials) to catch up on..." back when life was simple. Now I have, "1409 programs, using 6.2 TB (1 month 29 days 3 hrs 43 mins)"

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wagnerrp:

big tv

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sphery:

it's "juuuuuuust right"

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iamlindoro:

You mean the message from that smug mtdean guy?

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wagnerrp:

would fit about 6 of mine in it

[10:39:22]

iamlindoro:

That guy is always poking his nose in

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johnnyj:

someone gave him half credit today on the list

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johnnyj:

made me chuckle

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iamlindoro:

50% is still an F=

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iamlindoro:

er F-

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johnnyj:

i could just imagine the red marker and frowny-face on the paper

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iamlindoro:

See me after class

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Comments? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:Mythadder.py

[10:42:24]

iamlindoro:

Specifically, whether anyone should be using the .22 version of that guy's script with .23?

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iamlindoro:

(ignoring the fact that nobody should probably use it at all)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: sometimes you have to give an F- with a smiley face... http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/random/651_9_91_2007.jpg

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wagnerrp:

i was looking at that, dont know what would have changed between 0.22 and 0.23 to break that

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iamlindoro:

I am trying to figure out what the thing on the right is

[10:43:54]

iamlindoro:

ninja star?

[10:44:07]

iamlindoro:

or just an "x" for "wrong-o"

[10:44:47]

iamlindoro:

I like that he associated the correct ninja turtle with the correct weapon, guy knows his TMNT

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johnnyj:

i think that's a Zero with a slash through it – the mark of a computer nerd

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wagnerrp:

he means the weird squiggly X on the right

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** iamlindoro calmyl teaches johnnyj right from left **

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iamlindoro:

calmly

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johnnyj:

i always skip just the 1 line of text that was important

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wagnerrp:

ill have to download this script to get the line numbers

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wagnerrp:

if only there was some way to make that easier to do...

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johnnyj:

speaking of – in the web view of trac ios there a way to NOT get the line numbers when I copy and paste?

[10:48:08]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: unterminated ()

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iamlindoro:

LOG(LOG.IMPORTANT, e.args[0]

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iamlindoro:

cursor = db.cursor()

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iamlindoro:

at least, knowing nothing about python that's my guess

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: click the plaintext link at the bottom

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that would do it

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, RE: #2782, if we monitor idle time, we'll take into account I/O wait which is a little helpful. my plan was to allow the user to specify the # of jobs or let the system decide. some people may just want to let the system run full-bore during the early morning hours processing jobs.

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sphery:

Wait a minute... mythadder.py? A python is a non-venomous snake, and, therefore, by definition is /not/ an adder. Has wagnerrp been doing genetic engineering experiments, again?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: No, no, it's the innocuous british kind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackadder

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: My biggest requirement is that it allow jobs to run even if there's 0 idle time. I run BOINC/SETI@home on all my Myth boxes.

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johnnyj:

way better than mister bean

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, so set it to run X jobs. :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: ah, yeah, with your description, I guess that's how I'd do it. Using the same setting, with maybe a negative value for auto?

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iamlindoro:

Just as long as the buttonlist/dropdown says "auto" instead of -1 ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, or '0' for auto. don't remmber if I put that in my patch or not.

[11:04:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, that's handled by Qt already. not sure if libmythui has such a feature.

[11:04:41]

johnnyj:

um – is an ASRock 330 an atom proc ? and if so – is that enough to run dual FE/BE on in 1080i w/o issues?

[11:05:16]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: cool... just making sure we don't get a new setting. :)

[11:05:18]

j-rod:

yes, the asrock boxes are dual-core atom-330 procs

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j-rod:

64-bit

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, we already do something similar for the scaling during transcoding. set the height to X and the width to auto and the aspect ratio is preserved and width calculated automatically. ditto for setting height to auto and width to X.

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** j-rod has a white asrock ion 330 pro box at home now **

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: I was actually just referring to the UI friendliness of -1 versus "auto" :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, no. that's one of my issues with his patch, that it got rid of the ability to specify only X jobs max. I might only want to dedicate 1 cpu to jobs.

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, I tried to use the infinity sign but couldn't find it on my keyboad.

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johnnyj:

that's the symbol of the STO

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: I am doing a quick run through trac and trying to make some tough decisions about some of these ancient tickets-- can I close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1116 ?

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iamlindoro:

If someone actually does work on it, great, but until then it's basically a FRWOP

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** sphery hopes "[mythtv-users] OT: Cancel Comcast contract without penalty?" makes it work **

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johnnyj:

i didnt event read that one

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johnnyj:

did i miss out?

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, 1116 can go away.

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sphery:

no, I just hope he's able to convince them that their service-level changes are reason for termination of the contract.

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iamlindoro:

Thanks

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, might want to ref the changes to the backend status page

[11:20:40]

iamlindoro:

I might want to, but I might be too lazy to do so

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sphery:

and I am planning to make those same changes available in frontend status page

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sphery:

give me a second

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wagnerrp:

frontend status page?

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wagnerrp:

you mean the info center stuff?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6589

[11:21:24]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

once we store the directory a file is located in, we can do some more logic on the space pages since righ tnow we'd have to search for each file to find out where it is located at.

[11:22:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I realize it's not what xris wanted, but it's at least available, now. And, eventually should be available even in mythWeb

[11:22:39]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, but we'd also have to store file system info, too, if we want to break it out

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sphery:

i.e. which dirs are on the same file system

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iamlindoro:

I really want to know how I manage to find new tickets every time I comb through trac

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iamlindoro:

because I have been all up in this thing like a proctological exam

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iamlindoro:

but still, more tickets

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johnnyj:

iamlindoro someone is feeding them after dark

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wagnerrp:

well to be fair, that was a FRWOP by a dev

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sphery:

though that might happen with MythFileSystemWatcher

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery,we have the hostname, if we had the dir, we could easily check that against the master's copy of host:dir to fsID table.

[11:24:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

since all that info comes from teh master anyway.

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sphery:

didn't know that was kept around

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sphery:

cool, though

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Captain_Murdoch:

not kept around, just in memory.

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sphery:

yeah, I meant kept around in memory

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Captain_Murdoch:

well, not in db that is. :) it's available if need be.

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sphery:

I thought it was discovered on each use

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wagnerrp:

higher number is lower priority, right?

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Captain_Murdoch:

MainServer has a fsIDcache that is a QMap of "host:dir" strings to fsIDs. we use that so the fsIDs are consistent in the logs

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wagnerrp:

(higher 'nice' that is)

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Captain_Murdoch:

might need to check that actually, I'm not sure if it has all we see when we find dups. that is checked each time I know, but I'm not sure if we push the new host:dir -> fsID relationship into the cache when we determine it.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp.

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johnnyj:

would it be appropriate to add separating the recordings from the OS/DB on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause ?

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sphery:

johnnyj: yeah

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ezzieyguywuf:

so, I'm told that in my area, if you pay for cable but don't have a box, you can still pick up a lot of the channels, i.e. usa.

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ezzieyguywuf:

does this mean that I could get a cable card for my comp and record shows off of these channels?

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ezzieyguywuf:

and potentially capture hd streams digitally as well?

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: would there be any reason to not bake the jobqueue commands as soon as they enter the queue, rather than runtime?

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wagnerrp:

im just trying to find a way to decouple the jobqueue from recordings, and thats all i can think of

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wagnerrp:

i guess i have no choice but to leave that information around, as i have to mark that recording as in use when the job starts

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fru:

have run into a problem talked about hereee almost 2 yrs ago

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fru:

mythbackend in a tight loop, using 99% cpu

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clever:

ive had that on ocasion too

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fru:

select and ioctl, ioctl doing FIONREAD

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clever:

mine hasnt happened for several months

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fru:

clever, right u had described this problem and what led me here

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clever:

let me see what FIONREAD was for

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fru:

u were going to #define DBG printf("%s:%d %s\n",__FILE__,__LINE__,__func__)

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clever:

yeah i put that near the define for VERBOSE so i can use it everywhere

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clever:

on ocasion, svn barfs because of a DBG; and cant merge the file on its own

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wagnerrp:

fru: what version are you running?

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wagnerrp:

i havent seen that problem since probably 0.21

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fru:

i am on 0.22

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fru:

in the time it took me to get a new pc and install .22 I see .23 is out

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fru:

I was setting UPnP to work with PS3 and I hadn't added a multicast route

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clever:

i know my problem is in the upnp area

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clever:

i beleive what was happening is that select/poll said the socket was ready for a read (because it was closed)

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johnnyj:

can we add deleting the old libs to the README for the svn checkout?

[12:01:52]

clever:

and then when a read() returns 0 bytes, it wrongly goes back to polling it again

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fru:

I think what happened is that either FFWD on a movie or playing an mp3 and then switching to playing a game on PS3 may have triggered

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clever:

in my case, it was simply closing the tcp socket when the backend didnt expect it

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fru:

like mythbackend didn't like the way the cnxn was closed

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fru:

yeah

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clever:

my slow CPU may have made it worse, causing timeouts on the client to make them give up and close it

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fru:

my system was still usable, maybe the new kernel scheduler? I built a 2.6.3.33

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fru:

so it sounds like the prob is still lurking and may be in .23 also

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clever:

ive got a trunk thats just a few weeks behind .23, and i havent seen the problem at all in months

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clever:

though i havent actualy checked the problem file to see if it was changed

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clever:

let me see which file it was

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fru:

ok, I'm new to myth and have no idea how to upgrade, as I said I just got it working after months of new HW, etc.

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fru:

httprequest.cpp?

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clever:

bufferedsocketdevice.cpp i think

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fru:

ok, there is probably online source, svn or so? I will check that file

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clever:

might be httprequest.cpp too

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clever:

svn.mythtv.org, browse source, its under libs/libmythupnp/

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fru:

ok, will check both

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, you mean apply the matches when the job is put in the queue? some values might change before the job is run, so it needs to be done at runtime. (ie, user moves file so recording is in a different dir is just one example, but there are probably others I'm not thinking of right now)

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clever:

fru: if you want to see the actual areas i was interested in, http://ext.earthtools.ca/upnp_patch.patch

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fru:

clever, thanks

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fru:

clever, u know if a bug was filed or should a bug be filed? don't know how things work around here

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resno:

is there a wiki page which lists frontends with higher waf? i cant find how to get to the listing.

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sphery:

frontends?

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sphery:

You likely want Manage Recordings|Schedule Recording|Program Guide

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iamlindoro:

WAF is most directly tied to your ablility to configure and manage myth, not which case you buy :)

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sphery:

note that you can change Menu Themes, or create your own

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resno:

iamlindoro: my wife wants a "cute" looking device

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resno:

in my case it has a direct correlation

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iamlindoro:

https://www.mybedazzler.com/Default.aspx?mid=523535

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iamlindoro:

You need one of those, then

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sphery:

lol

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resno:

ha nice

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sphery:

resno: I vote for the "put it in a different room where it's invisible" approach. Nothing more beautiful than nothing.

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johnnyj:

resno i was going to ask if she couldn't just throw a doily on it like everyone else

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resno:

sphery: wires would be running all around, not good

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sphery:

Only electronics in my viewing room are my TV and my speakers

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iamlindoro:

resno: Not at all, you don't have to run them down the hallway :)

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sphery:

all around?

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resno:

and i cant drill holes in the walls

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iamlindoro:

My backend is in the computer closet, the only things visible are beautiful, clean aluminum wall plates

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sphery:

shouldn't be much in the way of wires--and they could go directly through the wall to your TV

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sphery:

as it is, with it in the same room, you have /all/ the wires in the room

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resno:

sphery: apartments dont like holes in the walls

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johnnyj:

resno: the Revo can be mounted to the back of the Tv or as in my case, obscured by it completely

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sphery:

Mine are a in another room with just a direct run to the TV

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resno:

johnnyj: is the revo "strong" enough?

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johnnyj:

as a frontend only – sure – when properly configured with VDPAU

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resno:

i was interested in a like a dell zino, but it seems like no one recommended it

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johnnyj:

resno: though you will need to add a stick of ram to it – but that's pretty cheap

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resno:

johnnyj: i was interested in the revo, and it looks nice. but i read it doesnt do hd video like hulu, etc well

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johnnyj:

hulu != MythTv

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resno:

yea, that i know

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iamlindoro:

and HD flash != HD real video :)

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resno:

its a great thing flash doesnt do vdpau

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resno:

id get a mac mini, but i cant stomach the price tag.

[12:40:35]

johnnyj:

i made the mistake of adding comments to that effect on the Adobe issue tracking site and now I'm spammed every time some other person has the same idea

[12:41:05]

resno:

yea, thatll do it

[12:41:16]

resno:

and i imagine they get spammed with that alot

[12:41:21]

highzeth:

http://file.ohhh.no/lucid-1337-packages.png I have a feeling this is gonna be a great day, 404 & 1337 in the same dist-upgrade?!

[12:41:35]

johnnyj:

but my revo FE plays the mythnetvision grabbed Mtv music videos just fine

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johnnyj:

if that helps

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resno:

johnnyj: hmm, and its not all that expensive. thats an idea

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johnnyj:

I have one of Larry Ellison's NIC computers I've been considering moding into a FE system some day

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johnnyj:

who is Orpah?

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ThisOtherGuy:

I accidentally volunteered to update the wiki

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resno:

johnnyj: a big talk show here

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resno:

in the USA

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: sounds good... i assume whenever the recorded/videometadata refactor goes through, i would simply update it to track a file id?

[12:48:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

possibly yeah, haven't thought through that far.

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johnnyj:

can someone comment on possible reasons for invalid programinfo ? http://pastebin.com/7rgvU3dE

[12:51:24]

johnnyj:

this is using a dummy tuner and dummy channel

[12:51:31]

sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: was that you? If so, thanks for volunteering! :)

[12:51:52]

sphery:

(the guy who liked mythcal?)

[12:52:21]

ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: yeah that was me – I didn't realize I was volunteering – learning how to add a page to the wiki now :P

[12:52:32]

sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: cool... you're in the right place to learn

[12:52:45]

sphery:

Just do a search with the name you want to use for the page

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sphery:

so, if you want it to be mythcal.py , just search for mythcal.py , then click the link to "create this page"

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ThisOtherGuy:

k

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wagnerrp:

or just type it in manually

[12:54:31]

sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: then you'll want to use this as a basic template: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/yY8Zj2Qr

[12:54:39]

sphery:

wagnerrp might have some updates/recommendations for it

[12:55:20]

wagnerrp:

ive got no opinion on mythcal, but if you intend to update it, i can advise as to using the bindings

[12:55:25]

wagnerrp:

... when i get back from lunch

[12:55:27]

sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: Though I could have uploaded it myself, I wanted someone with more of a vested interest to do so--also someone who has verified it's working, etc.

[12:55:33]

sphery:

so, I really appreciate your doing this

[12:55:47]

johnnyj:

sphery: you just enjoy imposing your will on others

[12:55:52]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I meant more about updates/recommendations for the wiki template :)

[12:55:57]

sphery:

johnnyj: yeah

[12:56:02]

sphery:

and, speaking of which,

[12:56:07]

johnnyj:

...which is understandable

[12:56:11]

sphery:

I'm going to remove the xdg-screensaver support :(

[12:56:18]

johnnyj:

i saw that coming

[12:56:37]

sphery:

Unfortunately, distros/DE's don't care to support it, so it's more trouble than benefit.

[12:56:42]

johnnyj:

i've been delicately disinvesting myself from it

[12:56:54]

sphery:

well, I still very much appreciate your doing the work

[12:57:02]

sphery:

and it was a good learninge experience

[12:57:07]

johnnyj:

doesn't getting rid of the timer for people on Gnome good enough ?

[12:57:43]

sphery:

and, now, when some armchair dev comes in and tells us, "Well, Hulu Desktop just uses xdg-screensaver and it just works. You guys should get a clue," we have something to point them at.

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sphery:

well, it seems that all distros are installing xdg-screensaver--even distros that use screensavers that don't work with xdg-screensaver

[12:58:25]

johnnyj:

so help me with this invalid program info

[12:58:39]

sphery:

and there's no way to know if xdg-screensaver works--except just noticing it doesn't

[12:58:42]

sphery:

so...

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johnnyj:

no worries – was a good experience

[12:59:12]

sphery:

and it was good code

[12:59:14]

sphery:

I loved it

[12:59:32]

sphery:

and I was anxiously awaiting the day when I could delete the hack that's ScreenSaverX11

[13:00:18]

johnnyj:

...so on to this invalid program info.....

[13:00:26]

johnnyj:

http://pastebin.com/7rgvU3dE

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ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: the page is up: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcal.py – it's really just a copy of his README file but should be a reasonable enough start

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: looks good. Thanks.

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ThisOtherGuy:

np

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** mag0o begins setting up his hd-pvr **

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johnnyj:

YAY

[13:48:54]

sphery:

yay?

[13:48:59]

sphery:

excited for mag0o ?

[13:49:06]

wagnerrp:

he just saw a video of zora

[13:49:12]

wagnerrp:

zora has been a bad bad girl

[13:49:15]

johnnyj:

yeah

[13:49:18]

sphery:

Zora the explorer?

[13:49:27]

wagnerrp:

zora the 831st

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johnnyj:

i wish i meant 'yay – i know why my pginfo is null or invalid

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johnnyj:

but i'm on -v record and i'm going through it

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johnnyj:

the OSG has data for programs when I change channels

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wagnerrp:

so this 'mythnetvision troubleshooting' thread... is there actually a question in there?

[14:08:26]

wagnerrp:

seems like he solved his own problem, and decided to tell the world of it

[14:10:34]

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's a combination list server/wiki/FAQ

[14:12:04]

mag0o:

Ooo, video

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sphery:

wagnerrp: MythNetVision helps those who help themselves.

[14:13:46]

sphery:

maybe he's saying you need to add a check for the Flash plugin in configure :)

[14:14:26]

wagnerrp:

isnt that a runtime dependency?

[14:14:32]

highzeth:

http://cp.ohhh.no/p/m2ad78cea can anyone shed some light on that one?

[14:15:52]

wagnerrp:

for some reason, you had the bookmarkupdate column before you were supposed to

[14:16:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, they all are :)

[14:16:42]

wagnerrp:

schema updates arent transactional are they?

[14:16:55]

sphery:

nope

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sphery:

thus why the mention of someone's re-trying an upgrade (that they don't know what had already been done) without restoring a pre-upgrade backup always makes me cringe

[14:18:08]

wagnerrp:

so its possible the 'UPDATE' calls failed after the table was altered

[14:18:17]

wagnerrp:

ah

[14:18:39]

sphery:

oh, more likely that's the other problem

[14:19:06]

highzeth:

hmm *scratches head* I sourced a dump of the db(.22-fixes) before upgrading the myth packages which I removed pre distro upgrades

[14:19:09]

sphery:

highzeth: I'd bet you restored a 0.21-fixes database onto a pre-populated 0.23-fixes database or some such

[14:19:32]

sphery:

i.e. the distro gave you a myth database and you restored on top of it without dropping the DB

[14:19:34]

highzeth:

dropped & sourced that is

[14:20:00]

highzeth:

negative, care to make another bet? =)

[14:20:21]

sphery:

Ok, guess that was a different column

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highzeth:

as I said, I removed mythtv packages(where running jaunty) before the ->karmic->lucid upgrades since backend had a dependency on upstart-job and I didnt want such an accidental hickup to occur. So much for precautions I guess

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sphery:

it was default_authority

[14:21:38]

sphery:

so, yeah, back to wagnerrp's theory

[14:22:01]

sphery:

or someone hacked your DB before you upgraded if you're saying there wasn't an upgrade failure

[14:22:09]

sphery:

or you had 2 different machines upgrading the DB at the same time

[14:22:28]

sphery:

which "can't" happen (meaning that I don't care to fix the cases where it can)

[14:22:34]

markl_:

my 0.22 to 0.23 upgrade toasted my mythtv db

[14:22:43]

markl_:

admittedly i was using a pre-release version

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sphery:

it still shouldn't have

[14:23:06]

wagnerrp:

markl_: the database should be consistent in all cases, even when using trunk

[14:23:07]

sphery:

maybe some plugin schema, but the TV schema should have been fine

[14:23:45]

wagnerrp:

unless you patched in your own schema changes separate from the official schema revisions

[14:23:54]

highzeth:

sphery: I did remove myth packages on all BE's, and did the distro upgrades, this is the first occurance of me pulling myth back into the MBE. Shut down any FE access while doing it

[14:23:55]

Digital-Pioneer:

Soooo... mythtv 0.23. The only way I've found so far to edit the menus is to edit /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/mainmenu.xml ... Now that's dirty, I shouldn' need to edit files in /usr to reconfigure things. Is there a better way to do this?

[14:24:23]

wagnerrp:

Digital-Pioneer: put the file in your ~/.mythtv directory

[14:24:54]

Digital-Pioneer:

wagnerrp: Yeah, not sure how exactly I'm supposed to do that... I tried making a ~/.mythtv/mainmenu.xml, no go.

[14:25:11]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont know where exactly youre supposed to put it either

[14:25:19]

wagnerrp:

but i do know the UI will read from there if available

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Digital-Pioneer:

Also tried ~/.mythtv/defaultmenu/mainmenu.xml and ~/.mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/mainmenu.xml

[14:25:41]

Digital-Pioneer:

Yeah, Google told me that much, but that didn't help me so much. :D

[14:26:52]

sphery:

Digital-Pioneer: $HOME/.mythtv/default/mainmenu.xml

[14:27:02]

sphery:

theme name, not dir name

[14:27:21]

sphery:

though it may not work for menus now that we have a defaultmenu dir

[14:27:26]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i guess theres no way to do transactions in myisam, and writing code to revert everything would be excessively complex when you could just dump and recover the database

[14:27:40]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, that's my feeling

[14:28:01]

sphery:

and generally our updates are non-transactional

[14:28:11]

wagnerrp:

that would be easy to accomplish with the backend schema

[14:28:16]

wagnerrp:

since nothing else is supposed o be running

[14:28:26]

wagnerrp:

you just trash the database, and load your backup

[14:28:51]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know how that could be run with plugins, where the backend or other frontends could possibly be running

[14:29:22]

wagnerrp:

i suppose you could specify to the wizard what tables and settings you want to edit

[14:29:50]

wagnerrp:

and have the schemaupdatewizard manage automatic partial backup and recovery

[14:31:33]

Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: Still not having much luck...

[14:31:46]

wagnerrp:

innodb is that much slower for normal operations?

[14:32:39]

Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: I tried ~/.mythtv/default/mainmenu.xml and ~/.mythtv/Mythbuntu/mainmenu.xml (the selected theme is Mythbuntu, and resides in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu)

[14:33:42]

sphery:

Digital-Pioneer: it was probably broken with the move to defaultmenu

[14:34:12]

Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: :( Happen to be able to imagine a workaround?

[14:34:34]

** Digital-Pioneer is sick of editing configs in /usr that get lost on updates **

[14:34:53]

sphery:

Digital-Pioneer: so cp -a /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu ~/.mythtv/ ; mv ~/.mythtv/{defaultmenu,Digital-Pioneer-Menu} ; then choose the new one in mythfrontend settings

[14:35:10]

sphery:

i.e. the defaultmenu name is th eproblem

[14:35:20]

sphery:

so you need a differently-named menu theme to put it in your home dir

[14:35:31]

Digital-Pioneer:

Will try.

[14:35:35]

sphery:

and thinking about it, I'd say it's not so much broken as a good idea

[14:35:49]

sphery:

so I'm glad it got broken that way--as defaultmenu is really meant to be a fallback

[14:35:57]

Digital-Pioneer:

Yeah, that looks quite sane to me.

[14:36:31]

sphery:

also, make sure you have http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24036 or you'll need to make sure you have a complete menu theme

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Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: I've got the binary mythbuntu packages. . .

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sphery:

then the or applies

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Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: And what am I looking for in a complete menu theme?

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sphery:

I'm guessing that using defaultmenu as a template should work

[14:42:03]

Digital-Pioneer:

Yea...

[14:42:51]

Digital-Pioneer:

So I copied defaultmenu to ~/.mythtv, renamed it, but the new name doesn't appear in the frontend's options for menu themes. :(

[14:45:54]

sphery:

ah, yeah, there's that... the theme selector doesn't look in those dirs...

[14:46:08]

** Digital-Pioneer laughs bitterly. :P **

[14:46:55]

sphery:

Choose DVR or classic or mediacentermenu and then rename the dir in ~/.mythtv to that

[14:47:11]

sphery:

guess you have to reuse the name of one that's there...

[14:47:26]

sphery:

I thought about fixing the theme selector, but decided it wasn't worth it since it's going away.

[14:47:43]

Digital-Pioneer:

Going away?

[14:47:45]

sphery:

iamlindoro: speaking of which, what's the status of your new theme selector thing-a-ma-jig

[14:47:52]

sphery:

getting replaced with /much/ better code

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Digital-Pioneer:

Hehehe

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Digital-Pioneer:

Sounds good to me!

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sphery:

/much/ better code

[14:48:29]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I vote for including your theme selector in trunk so it's in 0.24 :)

[14:48:56]

sphery:

and I'll even fix it to look in the $HOME/.mythtv dirs if it was modeled after the current (borken one)

[14:49:04]

Wicked:

whats the general opinion around here for the hd5500?

[14:49:25]

Wicked:

i been looking around at cards and it seems the hd5500 is a pretty nice card.....

[14:50:24]

christi_p:

Hey all, I've quite an odd problem with hdmi sound output. I have an NVidia ION chip and want to get the sound via hdmi to the TV. That's why I chose "alsa:hdmi" in the general settings. It works fine with pure music but not at all with recordings and livetv. Does anyone have a hint what I have to do?

[14:51:50]

Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: Victory!!!! :D

[14:51:50]

christi_p:

When I'm opening a recording the terminal output says: Opening audio device 'hdmi', ch 6(2) sr 192000 (reenc 0)

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Digital-Pioneer:

I put it in ~/.mythtv/themes/mediacentermenu

[14:52:28]

christi_p:

then: Opening ALSA audio device 'hdmi'. After that: Mixer unable to find control PCM2

[14:52:38]

sphery:

Digital-Pioneer: great... sorry for all the false steps in the process, but glad we've got it figured out. Feel free to document the process on the wiki. :)

[14:53:05]

Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: I'm glad to do things correctly finally.

[14:53:42]

Digital-Pioneer:

Now how do you determine which package owns a given file with APT...? I'd like to fix all the xmls I screwed up and make sure everything is in ~/.mythtv now

[14:53:45]

sphery:

yeah, should make things much easier--and, like you, I would never let a user edit anything in /usr

[14:53:46]

johnnyj:

the word of the day is "Wiki"

[14:54:06]

sphery:

heh :) Soon, we'll have a complete resource of all MythTV knowledge

[14:54:15]

johnnyj:

other than you, that is

[14:54:24]

Digital-Pioneer:

All righty then.

[14:54:38]

** Digital-Pioneer stalks through the wiki seeking what he may refine. **

[14:54:44]

sphery:

I wish--did you see how many times I led Digital-Pioneer astray before helping him get to the right place?

[14:55:32]

christi_p:

Could anyone tell me please what this error message "Mixer unable to find control PCM2" means and why it appears when I try to watch a recording and not when I listen to music?

[14:55:36]

Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: Ahhh, but you did get me to the right place. :)

[14:55:42]

sphery:

Digital-Pioneer: perhaps something on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide

[14:56:13]

sphery:

might want to test if the recommended approach ( $HOME/.mythtv/themes/defaultmenu ) works, before changing it, though

[14:56:31]

sphery:

the one recommended by that page, not necessarily "THE" recommended approach :)

[14:56:36]

jarle:

Is there a way to re-run previous entries in the job queue that failed because of mythcommflag was compiled against wrong libs?

[14:56:51]

sphery:

christi_p: which version of MythTV

[14:56:55]

sphery:

and which branch?

[14:57:31]

johnnyj:

sphery: re – leading the wrong way – i'm glad to not be the only one

[14:58:06]

christi_p:

should be 0.23

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sphery:

installed from where?

[14:58:28]

christi_p:

I'm using mythbuntu and I upgraded to the weekly build of 0.23

[14:58:37]

christi_p:

so I think it should be the stable

[14:58:41]

Digital-Pioneer:

Yup, they're gonna make me get an account to edit the wiki aren't they?

[14:58:44]

sphery:

johnnyj: hey, your xdg-screensaver patch was the right way--unfortunately, the distros/DE's don't get it

[14:59:01]

johnnyj:

that's not what i meant

[14:59:06]

sphery:

they'd rather every app have DE-specific code--not to mention code to determine which code to use

[14:59:13]

johnnyj:

you're really worried about me on that revert

[14:59:23]

sphery:

no, I'm really mad at the distros/DEs

[15:00:21]

sphery:

I don't even know why a distro would install xdg-screensaver if it doesn't work with their broken screensaver

[15:00:35]

johnnyj:

isn't it part of xdg-utils?

[15:00:38]

sphery:

s/their/the user's chosen DEs/

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christi_p:

What's really odd, too, is that sound via hdmi works with VLC, mplayer and mythmusic, but not with livetv, recordings and firefox (youtube videos)

[15:00:52]

sphery:

yeah, but you can choose to install/not install any script from it

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johnnyj:

i assume there's something else in that package

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johnnyj:

sphery: so do you just not know about this pginfo issue I'm working on ?

[15:01:37]

sphery:

christi_p: In that case, I don't have any ideas--other than to say make sure you're not using Pulse Audio

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johnnyj:

or were you busy when I mentioned it?

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christi_p:

I uninstalles pulseaudio, so this shouldn't be the problem

[15:02:17]

sphery:

johnnyj: I know that programinfo updates seem to be a mess right now, so I wasn't surprised, but I figured I wouldn't be much help.

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christi_p:

Is it maybe possible to get the sound from myth to Jack and from Jack to the hdmi output?

[15:02:26]

sphery:

is it related to your dummy tuner config patch?

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johnnyj:

unfortunately

[15:03:04]

johnnyj:

im stepping through tv_rec.cpp – I'm sure i'll find it

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sphery:

Might be worth asking Captain M about it sometime when he's around. He wrote the dummy tuner code and he's most likely to know if there's an issue in it right now.

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johnnyj:

well it works when you use MPEG as tuner type and have device starting with file: – so it's likely some workaround I've not discovered and modified to expect a tuner named DUMMY

[15:05:16]

johnnyj:

but I'll lurk around for Captain M and see, thanks

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christi_p:

sorry for asking again: is it possible to get sound from myth to jack and from jack via hdmi to the TV?

[15:08:13]

Helliana:

My tv capture card went out, so i don't actually use the mythtv backend anymore but still use mythvideo and other plugins

[15:08:29]

Helliana:

however, i keep getting the "Could not connect to the backend server" message over and over every few seconds

[15:08:37]

Helliana:

is there any way to disable that message?

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johnnyj:

Helliana – run a BE instance

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Helliana:

johnnyj: how do i got about that?

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johnnyj:

run the mythbackend

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** sphery thinks users on the -users list are having issues understanding that if they want to use Flash in a 64-bit app, they need 64-bit Flash **

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Helliana:

well.. i guess thats an easy enough fix

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sphery:

Helliana: while MythTV used to support running mythfrontend without a running mythbackend, we've lost that support (and the developers who think it's important haven't noticed it, yet, so they haven't fixed it)

[15:11:10]

sphery:

so, yeah, run a mythbackend

[15:11:21]

sphery:

make sure you do the mythtv-setup to configure the backend first

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Wicked:

hmm. do i have my terminology right...i have comcast cable..and im looking to get a tv card that can capture ota hd content(unencrypted of course)....i would want a card capable of ATSC?

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christi_p:

sphery: you said I should check that no program uses pulseaudio. How can I check if ALSA is my default? (It should be the default since I put "ALSA:hdmi" in the settings, but I don't know how to definitely check that (I'm quite a n00b =D ))

[15:12:10]

sphery:

Wicked: yep, ATSC is the OTA in the US

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Wicked:

thanks sphery. :)

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Helliana:

sphery: thanks. Yah, i just updated and noticed the message didn't go away, use used to only display once when the frontend first loaded

[15:12:49]

sphery:

christi_p: you'd have to look at your ALSA configuration and your distro's underlying config. If you removed Pulse, that's probably not the issue.

[15:12:53]

Helliana:

no biggy though, simple fix.

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sphery:

Helliana: yeah, if you'd like to do a patch to make it so it doesn't keep repeating, I'm sure a lot of people would be happy

[15:13:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wohoo... got one HD-PVR in, just ordered a 2nd one and a 2nd HD-HomeRun... ;-) I'll be all set for my FiOS HD install... hehehehehe

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johnnyj:

didn't someone already submit a repeat log message patch?

[15:13:55]

johnnyj:

or are we taking about the popup?

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Captain_Murdoch:

johnnyj, /msg me and describe what you're trying to do and what issue you're running into and I'll take a look at it.

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Helliana:

i was talking about the popup,but i don't know what patches have been sumbited.

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Captain_Murdoch:

johnnyj, at the question that is. :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: The big picture view is that he's trying to make it so you can actually set up a dummy tuner through the GUI. I don't know details, though, so I'll let him get that to you.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, ok, thx.

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sphery:

I thought it would be very helpful--even just for people playing with mythtv before deciding to set it up.

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Digital-Pioneer:

sphery: Well, the wiki instructions were pretty reasonable, but they didn't (I think) properly stress the fact that you can't override defaultmenu, so I made some small mods to this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_develop . . . e#Setting_Up — just in case you're curious. :)

[15:17:18]

sphery:

though as someone whose dummy tuners aren't currently working, it would even be helpful for me :)

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sphery:

Digital-Pioneer: thanks

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Digital-Pioneer:

:)

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sphery:

looks good

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: what is the 'args' field in the jobqueue used for? i dont really see any purpose for it

[15:18:26]

wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, its only used by mythtranscode to talk to itself

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christi_p:

sphery: okay alsa is the default. the default device is hdmi. do you think an upgrade to the latest 0.24 could solve my problem?

[15:19:21]

wagnerrp:

there is no 0.24

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sphery:

christi_p: I'm sure there's a way to fix it on 0.23-fixes--I just don't know that way (I don't use HDMI)

[15:19:50]

sphery:

You're more likely to find someone who can help on the mythtv-users mailing list

[15:20:49]

christi_p:

hm, okay, so I'll try to get help there... many thanks anyway!

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wagnerrp:

are 'prebuffering pauses' actually a problem? or is that a case of us being more verbose than necessary and scaring people as a result?

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RyeBrye:

talking about sound output? I use hdmi out and I think I have my audio out set to /dev/dsp or something but can't remember for sure

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christi_p:

hm, one moment, I'll try that one

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: you shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

those are the old OSS outputs

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RyeBrye:

I suppose I could check my settings table to see what it is I'm using :P

[15:22:29]

wagnerrp:

direct file access to the ADCs

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wagnerrp:

'cat' a file to them to get awful noise

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wagnerrp:

or a wav to listen to it

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christi_p:

I just don't get why it's working with mythmusic but not with TV.

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RyeBrye:

audio output device: /dev/adsp

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Digital-Pioneer:

Your Linux computer can make music! Just run `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp`

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wagnerrp:

music being a relative term

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christi_p:

When I user /dev/adsp I don't get any sound at all

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christi_p:

neither with music nor with TV

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wagnerrp:

you can say its art, but i can call you a fool

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, args was put there to begin with for future expansion, so that field would get passed right to the job, but I don't think I ever used it for anything. I think I did look at a possible use for the file migration job I was working on at one point.

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christi_p:

terminal says: "AudioOutput Error: WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/adsp"

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wagnerrp:

ok, ill just leave it in then

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christi_p:

but I don't use it actually =)

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** RyeBrye shrugs **

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Digital-Pioneer:

wagnerrp: Ahh, you've never taken music appreciation have you? I tell you, once you finish a class like that, you'll love listening to urandom. ;)

[15:26:48]

wagnerrp:

Digital-Pioneer: why? because the teacher makes you listen to such utter tripe that urandom is a work of genius?

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Digital-Pioneer:

wagnerrp: Well, some of that, but also the decent music that you listen to again and again trying to answer questions on it until you hate it. :)

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christi_p:

ryebrye: which mixer do you use? Now Myth tells me that it can't open the "default" mixer

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RyeBrye:

I think alsa on that machine

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christi_p:

hm, also unable to open mixer: 'ALSA:default'

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Dibblah:

Jogglers on sale again. Ah, bollix.

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: the joggler with its glorious plastic heatsink?

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Dibblah:

Yes, indeed. But for an Atom + GMA500 + 512Mb of RAM, £50 is a steal.

[15:32:02]

wagnerrp:

even better if beirdo gets his vaapi support working

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christi_p:

ah I think I got a step further: I still have no sound but myth is only telling me one error: "Mixer unable to find control Master 1" How can I get Myth to find this?

[15:41:17]

christi_p:

Yeah finally got it! A simple mythtv restart made it find this mixer =)

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christi_p:

thanks for your help!

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highzeth:

3/4 BE's dist-upgraded, 1/5 satellites re-scanned, xmltv id's, icons & FE's to go, ETA.. ohhh boy =)

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highzeth:

if this had not been a hobby...

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highzeth:

our local proxy sure has had its hands full today

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wagnerrp:

local proxy?

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highzeth:

local/lan, wouldnt have been alot of wasted bits over the wan pulling same packages etc

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highzeth:

s/wouldnt/would/

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt call updating a couple machines off a shared package repository 'hands full'

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highzeth:

compared to its usual load, I would

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wagnerrp:

but its trivial load either way

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highzeth:

not on the p3 its currently on, been about to move it to one of the other boxes, but couldnt be bothered yet

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wagnerrp:

is it just a package repository? or are you running CVS on that thing or something? or are you talking about a SQUID box?

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AndyCap:

apt proxy cache?

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highzeth:

squid yes, package & content filtering on a few pc's

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AndyCap:

speaking of poulsbo, is there meaningful development of the drivers happening?

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wagnerrp:

drivers?

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wagnerrp:

oh, for poulsbo

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clever:

highzeth: if its debian based you might get away with nfs sharing /var/cache/apt/

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clever:

thats where apt stores the packages after downloading

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wagnerrp:

there is intention, but no meaningful development yet

[15:55:19]

wagnerrp:

have to wait until the dev in question gets back into town and settled

[15:55:22]

wagnerrp:

he recently moved

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: oh, no, not va-api, the drivers.

[15:55:49]

wagnerrp:

so not mythtv related?

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AndyCap:

not any more than if buying GMA500 for mythfrontends is a good idea or dead end. :P

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Wicked:

hmm. so im having a hard time deciding on what card to get....im considering these cards. the pcHDTV HD-5500, a hd homerun, or a hauppauge hvr-2250.....does anyone in here have experience(good or bad) with these cards? or does anyone know of any show stopping bugs or problems with any of them?

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highzeth:

clever: nahh, its an old RH install on that one. It will be moved to one of the main servers eventually, just not a big need =)

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clever:

highzeth: redhat probly has similar directories for the packages

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clever:

i can see a few problems with squid, such as limited control of whehn the packages expire and having a seperate copy on each end system when they could be shared (save space)

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** j-rod just mirrors the entire package repo, nfs mounts it to all boxes, and points repo config files at that, rather than urls **

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j-rod:

rather than urls on the web, that is — the local ref is an url too

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wagnerrp:

clever, highzeth: right, i just use a NFS shared package repository all my machines pull from

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johnnyj:

i found out today that there's no direct command to extract files from rpm's using rpm

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wagnerrp:

they only download new if it doesnt exist there already

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johnnyj:

Score: Deb's 2 – RPM's 0

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive always done that with gentoo but never thought to do it with ubuntu, should look at it more

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clever:

the systems are allready overly dependant on eachother, why not make it a bit worse!

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wagnerrp:

this is with gentoo, but i assume other distros an do similar

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AndyCap:

johnnyj: rpm2cpio not working for you?

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johnnyj:

it did

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johnnyj:

after I read all of the man for rpm and then googled to see there was another command for extracting an init file from an rpm

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Wicked:

:o no one has anything to say about any of those cards

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johnnyj:

Wicked: what will you be recording ?

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Wicked:

well i get cable from comcast....and id like to be able to get some hd tv going from ota hd

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Wicked:

right now im using a comcast stb going to a pvr-150 via svideo...but would also like to get some hd content....but i dont think i will be going hd cable soon...and i dont have the money to buy a hd-pvr(though i know this is the best hd option_

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emanuelez:

hello. should full scan be able to jump from one transponder to the other in dvb-s mode?

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j-rod:

egad. no openssh-server even installed by default on umbrowntu?

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mindjuju:

greets all, I did some research some time ago on the mythtv.org website, and it seems like i read to NOT install mythbuntu, but to install the OS, and then mythtv

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mindjuju:

but now that i'm ready to install, i can't even find instructions on what to do

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mindjuju:

can somebody point me in the right direction

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wagnerrp:

dont know why it would have said that

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu is perfectly fine to use

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mindjuju:

well, truth told, maybe it wasn't on mythtv.org website then, i was doing a lot of reading on setup and visited several sites

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wagnerrp:

are you comfortable with ubuntu?

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mindjuju:

yup

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wagnerrp:

then mythbuntu is a good choice

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johnnyj:

Wicked: hdPVR is all i use

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johnnyj:

well, I have the HDHR but only for local channels

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Wicked:

yea. im basicly trying to decide between the hdhr and the pchdtv hd5500

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phamilton:

I'm having some trouble setting up IPTV

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phamilton:

heres my m3u file

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phamilton:

http://pastebin.com/nZHSCerL

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wagnerrp:

anyone in here netboot?

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phamilton:

the streams play fine though vlc, but mythtv-setup can't scan the channels

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phamilton:

and mythbackend loads 23 channels but Errors with GetChanInfo(2) failed

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phamilton:

anyone have any idea?

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: not any more

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wagnerrp:

roll-your-own? or distro provided?

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johnnyj:

i was using the ubuntu provided solution

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wagnerrp:

still have the files around?

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johnnyj:

no sorry

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wagnerrp:

just curious...

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wagnerrp:

the roll-your-own ones i have at home are ~5MB for the kernel and initrd combined

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johnnyj:

i think i used this method : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto

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wagnerrp:

the ones at work generated by suse are 22MB

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering if that excessively large size is whats causing our tftp scalability issues

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: looked into chainloading gpxe?

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wagnerrp:

and using that to pull an image off http?

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AndyCap:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

ive considered it, and tinkered with it at home

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wagnerrp:

these are all commodity compute nodes, not sure if we could burn it onto the ROMs

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AndyCap:

haven't had any problems with 80MB images with tftp, but you're probably booting more than one machine at a time?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its the scaling issues

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wagnerrp:

when bringing the cluster back online after a power outage

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wagnerrp:

or to bring another rack online for increased load

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wagnerrp:

we have to do it slowly

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: chainload, not replace the onboard rom

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: but I guess you could do that too and void your warranty. :P

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wagnerrp:

or else a significant portion will fail to boot

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mindjuju:

so quick question on the proper setup, I was hoping that i could put the recording computer in the basement. It's a P4 with 1G ram and a pvr150 cap card. what i was hoping to do is have the recording computer transfer everything it records to a network drive where the rest of the family computers / etc, can pick it up and view it. at the same time though, i was hoping that the fmaily computers could interface with the recording computer and s

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mindjuju:

is all that possible?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: haha, ugly hack, use different timeouts in pxelinux config for the ip's or mac adresses.

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: theres no problem once its in pxelinux, it will just keep retrying until it gets the image

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wagnerrp:

the problem is getting pxelinux in the first place

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: aha.

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wagnerrp:

im assuming the load caused by all the initrd downloading means the onboard rom cant even pull pxelinux

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phamilton:

mindjuju: thats' simple enough

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phamilton:

I'm running a similar setup

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: ok, so all the nodes could get pxelinux simultaneously if nobody were loading large images?

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mindjuju:

cool!

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Kew:

Hey, im having a problem with the "Play with trailers" option in mythvideo – it will not start :( But the "Play trailer" option is working, any clues?

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phamilton:

make sure it's a wired network though

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mindjuju:

so phamilton, do i need to have the full blown mythbuntu running, or is there a server install

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mindjuju:

phamilton, it's wired

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wagnerrp:

mindjuju: you cant either record to the P4, or otherwise put the PVR-150 in the existing home server?

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mindjuju:

have xbmc and comps distributed throughout the house

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: thats my completely unbased assumption

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I would try gpxelinux and use http.

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Kew:

I have searched the web endless, with no result :(

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mindjuju:

wagnerrp, i wanted to keep the family file server seperate from this, so to answer your qustion, i could

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mindjuju:

i'm just reading now about xbmc and mythtv, looks like they are already connected

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wagnerrp:

mindjuju: basically, if you have one server already, no reason to run a second (assuming the existing server runs linux)

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wagnerrp:

xbmc and mythtv are in no way connected

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phamilton:

mindjuju: I run it all on debian

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has an openly documented protocol

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mindjuju:

what about performance though when recording a show and playing back a show on a seperate device

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wagnerrp:

xbmc has a plugin designed to use said protocol

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mindjuju:

wagnerrp, sorry, let me clarify, yup, that's what i meant, they aren't connected as software, but they can be used together

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mindjuju:

that's what i meant

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mindjuju:

sorry for confusion

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Kew:

I am running a mythbuntu install. Using a backend with frontends setup. So Im using Storage Groups for the trailers etc.

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wagnerrp:

but it will also access the database with no schema checking (bad thing)

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wagnerrp:

recordings with a PVR-150 are trivial, its basically a 500KB/s copy to disk

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Kew:

Any1? :((

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phamilton:

mindjuju: that works fine either through mythfrontend, or mythweb will stream it through .asx files, and vlc will recognize UPnP as well.. there are plenty of ways to get access to recordings

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wagnerrp:

similarly, such a low bitrate transfer across the network is trivial for any 486 or better

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mindjuju:

hmm, so playback and recording at same time should be no prob then

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wagnerrp:

no, not at all

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wagnerrp:

now if you had a framegrabber instead of an mpeg encoder, that would be different

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wagnerrp:

mindjuju: do these machines you have scattered around the house run linux?

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mindjuju:

fileserver is ubuntu 8.04LTS, 2 winders xp and 3 xbmc (on Xboxes)

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wagnerrp:

eew... xbox

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fru:

is there a plugin/cgi/module for mythweb that will drop me to a shell on the backend?

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wagnerrp:

no one wants to run on those these days, neither mythtv nor xbmc

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mindjuju:

they make good dual purpose, play xbox games AND watch movies

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wagnerrp:

fru: no

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fru:

I am using lighttpd

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fru:

darn

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wagnerrp:

old games and standard definition mpeg2 or mjpeg movies

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mindjuju:

but ya, i noticed that xbmc has ported to every OS now

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phamilton:

anyway... i've got a question of my own. Does anyone know how to tell mythtv that the IPTV signal is not MPEG2. It's MPEG4 and mythfrontend keeps crashing

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Kew:

Anyone who can confirm if the "Play with trailers" option is working under 0.23??

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wagnerrp:

phamilton: mythtv shouldnt care

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iamlindoro:

Yes, play with trailers works fine, used it yesterday

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wagnerrp:

Kew: it should work, assuming you have a trailer defined for that movie

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iamlindoro:

He means the randomized trailer playback-- works fine

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phamilton:

yet it keeps creating .mpg files for the recording

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Kew:

wagnerrp: The "Play trailer" option is working, but not the "Play with trailers". :(

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wagnerrp:

phamilton: thats because they are mpeg files

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Kew:

I really cant get the hang of this, espac. because the "Play trailer" is working just fine...

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wagnerrp:

phamilton: mpeg2ts is used almost everywhere you have broadcast digital video, regardless of what kind of content is muxed in

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wagnerrp:

dvb/atsc use it, most iptv use it, dvd, hddvd, and bluray all use some variant of it

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wagnerrp:

mp4 is rarely used outside of video downloads

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Kew:

wagnerrp, any ideas ?

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johnnyj:

yay – I found a sql statement returning an empty resultset

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mag0o:

yay, video from the hdpvr. now to build the blaster module

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J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: Ah, you're switching to HD too... ;-) I have one HD-PVR in my possession, the 2nd on the way. ;-)

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Kew:

Hey. I have a problem. When running the "Play with trailers" option in mythvideo. The frontend tries to run the trailers local, but they are located at the backend. What can be wrong?

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iamlindoro:

Kew: Play with trailers only supports local storage-- I can be upgraded to support SG, but... dang it

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muns:

hello all has anyone gotten an wintv-hvr-1600 w/remote to work properly using mythbuntu 10.04? or can figure out why after loading the frontend all the chans are nothing but static, i can change chans via keyboard but all look the same

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Kazan:

so i just updated from -22-fixes svn to -23-fixes svn. the selected menu option in front end disapears instead of being highlighted

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muns:

is there a fix for this problem?

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Kazan:

i don't know what your problem is.. came after you

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muns:

hello all has anyone gotten an wintv-hvr-1600 w/remote to work properly using mythbuntu 10.04? or can figure out why after loading the frontend all the chans are nothing but static, i can change chans via keyboard but all look the same

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Kazan:

do the channels work in another program?

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muns:

like what program?

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Kazan:

xine, mplayer

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Kazan:

that sounds like you either failed to scan channels properly, or you don't have signal actually comin to the card

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Kazan:

or you're using the wrong input on the card

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muns:

this is same cable that i unplugged the tv from

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muns:

mplayer i've done that and same issue well i've done cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/mplayer.mpg and played it and same issue nada

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muns:

[ 12.705732] cx18–0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPEG (64 x 32 kB)

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muns:

so i know video0 is thre

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muns:

well in backend i'm using the schedulesdirect.com listings and i fetch the chans and fill the db and watching the chans it is all fuzz

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Kazan:

you need to do a channel scan

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Kazan:

and make sure you're using the right input from the card.. because isn't that a dual input card?

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Kazan:

and tune the card to a channel you have once you've channel scanned

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muns:

ya dual input card which i'm tryin analog side first

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muns:

analog chan scanning goes sooo quick no chan locks or nada

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muns:

not sure if analog scanning is broken or not but doesn't have a lock, but the qam/clear digital side has locks but says timeouts and such

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muns:

using the default us-cable for the scan and still nada

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muns:

could there not be analog anymore in cable companies or somethin?

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muns:

i'll retry the digital side and see if anymore luck with scanning

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Wicked:

hmm. i just found a forum post stating that comcast has very recently(may 5th) stopped broadcasting anything in clear qam? http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.ph . . . cb7612e8dd5e

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muns:

wonder if my company is same lol

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muns:

cuz i'm not getting nada and bout to call tigerdirect and get my money back lol

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: not comcast, just the local franchise owner of that poster

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Wicked:

hmm ok

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Wicked:

well i saw several posters

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Wicked:

http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.ph . . . cb7612e8dd5e

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wagnerrp:

several franchises are independently making the transition

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muns:

i get like lots of QAM-64 Channel 70 — Timed out, 12 possible channels i get lots of these when it locks onto a channel

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Wicked:

and im this close > < to buying a card for qam stuff...im thinking it may be a bad idea

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wagnerrp:

what good would that do?

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Wicked:

?

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wagnerrp:

a QAM card

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Wicked:

maybe im wrong.

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Wicked:

i was looking at either hdhr or the pchdtv hd5500

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Wicked:

which i thought where qam capable cards

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wagnerrp:

they are

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wagnerrp:

but dont expect that to allow you to record digital cable

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muns:

my hvr-1600 is ATSC/QAM clear/ and Digital Cable tv

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Wicked:

so i guess the good with would do is i would be able to record qam streams

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Wicked:

anything in "the clear"

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wagnerrp:

correct, which for 98% of users means the local broadcast channels

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Wicked:

yea. i was hoping to get some stations in hd

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wagnerrp:

local broadcast stations in hd... but you can get that with an antenna anyway

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Wicked:

according to the hdhr site there are a few 720/1080 feeds

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wagnerrp:

sure, the local broadcast channels

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Wicked:

yea. i just have a pvr-150 now and cannot do anything hd

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muns:

hell i'm hoping to get this darn card to work soon

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Wicked:

hmm. anyone know about the hdhr cablecard?....i assume it wont work with linux

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR engineer who submitted a patch in here a couple weeks ago seemed to indicate otherwise

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Wicked:

orly. that would be huge if it would work with linux

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wagnerrp:

no, not really

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wagnerrp:

if it can be made to work, it will only be for 'copy freely' content

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wagnerrp:

so basically anything you can expect to get over firewire off a cable box

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Wicked:

:(

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klk:

so I'm watching a standard def 4:3 recording on my 16:9 tv. if I cycle through the stretch options, "horizontal stretch" stretches in both directions

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klk:

so it ends up chopping off the top/bottom of the image

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Wicked:

if i got a dual tuner hdhr....and hooked it up to my network...would i be able to have mythtv record from it...but at the same time watch tv from a 2nd computer on the 2nd tuner?

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wagnerrp:

sorta... buy why?

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wagnerrp:

just run the frontend where ever you want tv

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Wicked:

so i could record a tv show in mythtv(my server) and be able to watch livetv or w/e from my desktop

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Wicked:

well the frontend is a bit more then i would want to casually watch livetv on the desktop.

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wagnerrp:

or you could record a show on the backend, and stream a second show from the backend to mythfrontend running on your desktop

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wagnerrp:

mythtv expects dedicated access to hardware

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jya:

has anyone experienced this with recent trunk? using vdpau, when the OSD is displayed, it often cover the whole area, slightly greyish hiding the whole picture...

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wagnerrp:

if you are actively using the first tuner on the HDHR when mythtv goes to record using it

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Wicked:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will outright fail

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

thats what i was wondering

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend has no failover on tuners

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Wicked:

seeing how the hdhr is on the network..i was no idea how it would work...if it would lock the hdhr to something or if it would support mulitple connections at the same time

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Wicked:

err. typed out 2 different thoughts there hehe

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wagnerrp:

the official HDHR quicktv application would see the first tuner in use and locked, and use the second

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Wicked:

*i had no idea how it would work

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would just find the tuner locked, and fail to record

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Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

so technically it can do what i want...just mythtv wont play nice with it

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Wicked:

thanks for clearing that up for me :)

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wagnerrp:

its the same thing with using a cable box at the same time mythtv is trying to use it for analog or firewire capture

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Wicked:

yea

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highzeth:

is anyone able to add/edit transports under .23-fixes? Its showing a 'blank' screen here, title & frame only.

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psm321:

is comcast clear qam (for dta channels) dead everywhere?

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psm321:

wow, i'm 2 versions out of date now :)

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psm321:

hmm, i dont see any talk of it on the mailing list

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psm321:

how can i tell whether it's some sort of tuning problem or my channels are now encrypted?

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dherde:

Good Evening.. In ubuntu karmic, I am trying to get my nvidia-190 drivers to activate for my myth setup, but It fails saying "SystemjError: InstallArchives Failed" Has anyone run across this?

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dherde:

Guess not.. Well Good Night

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psm321:

how can i temporarily disable some tuners without removing them completely from the setup?

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sphery:

psm321: you should really remove them. on the bright side, removing capture cards will not affect channels or video sources, so it's really easy to re-add them later.

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sphery:

if you want to disable all of them, though, just start mythbackend with the --nosched argument (check --help, but I think that's it)

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psm321:

sphery: will that work on a slave backend?

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psm321:

what i really should do is go through and figure out which channels are encrypted now (its not quite all of them) and remove the others

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psm321:

well what i really should do is cancel comcast, but i dont know if i can bring myself to do that :)

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sphery:

psm321: yeah, just use mythtv-setup and hit D on any capture cards that you want disabled

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psm321:

thats delete right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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psm321:

it took me some finagling to give the cards the tuner IDs i wanted when i set them up... dont necessarily want to mess with that until i've figured out what i'm doing longer term

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing defined for a tuner card in mythtv that cannot be recreated in under two minutes

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kc:

psm321: Comcast is rolling out encryption to all non ota channels in different areas over time. I was not impacted until a month or two ago where others were encrypted for several months now.

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wagnerrp:

kc: not quite

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wagnerrp:

comcast is run by a number of independent franchises

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psm321:

kc: looks like it happened all at once for me. except i still have the same channels that are still in analog also on clear qam

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wagnerrp:

each franchise has to apply for their own waiver to enable privacy mode on the DTAs

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psm321:

wagnerrp: are you sure about that? i never heard that before

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kc:

wagnerrp: right, they need to apply per franchise, but eventually they will all be encrypted

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kc:

I have no doubt in that

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kc:

psm321: re: all at once. Yea, I could get most standard def channels via clear qam. One day they encrypted all but the locals (and travel channel for some reason)

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kc:

I opted to buy an antenna

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Nixon:

I can't get mytharchive to work it terminates ffmpeg with an interleave error everytime? any ideas?

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kc:

Anything I would normally watch that is not on the locals I can get via hulu.

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psm321:

kc: yeah i used to get all the DTA (regular basic) channels

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psm321:

kc: now, they are all encrypted except the same channels i still have in analog

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psm321:

kc: i like to have my mythbox as one-stop tv shopping though... plus i'm crazy and like to collect/keep stuff

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psm321:

kc: i suppose i should work on a plugin to make hulu a "tuner" source :)

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wagnerrp:

or

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kc:

psm321: I am the same, but for $78 less, I can deal with just watching certain shows via hulu and not storing them

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wagnerrp:

you use MythNetVision

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would never support hulu as a tuner source anyway, as the TOS do not allow download for long term storage

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kc:

Agreed. s/hulu/mythnetvision & hulu

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wagnerrp:

or download in any manner besides their own authorized programs

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psm321:

wagnerrp: i dont have to publish my plugin :)

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wagnerrp:

well have fun breaking RTMPe

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psm321:

wagnerrp: hmm, i wonder how some of the commercial guys get away with it without lawsuits

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wagnerrp:

they pay to license the content

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Kazan:

i'm hoping someone gets the Ceton InfiniTV 4 working in linux w/ the Cablecards in it

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Kazan:

mwahahaha

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wagnerrp:

hehe... nigel made a funny

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Kazan:

that would be epic sweet

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wagnerrp:

Kazan: not a chance

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wagnerrp:

cablelabs would never authorize even binary drivers for linux

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wagnerrp:

because there is no mechanism to have a secure video transfer to the video output in linux

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wagnerrp:

which only leaves reverse engineering

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wagnerrp:

anyone who would actually stand to gain from such tech, also lives in a country where developing and releasing such drivers bring criminal charges

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psm321:

if it did happen (i know it won't), i might be able to overcome my philosophical objection to paying per tuner in favor of the more pragmatic approach

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psm321:

wagnerrp: http://www.playon.tv/ is the one i was thinking of

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wagnerrp:

dont know how they get away with that, i doubt theyre in any way compliant

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