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Sunday, May 16th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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mzb:

hmm, I've now installed miro to /usr/local ... but mirobridge still can't find it

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** mzb reads the error output with _both_ eyes this time **

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wagnerrp:

bah... $1 only works for new domains, not renewals

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mzb:

...error(locale not initialized)

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wagnerrp:

got me hooked, and now theyre cranking up the price

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mzb:

but my locale settings are as per the wiki

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wagnerrp:

used to be $8, now its a whole $10/yr

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mzb:

ie: LANG=en_AU.UTF-8

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wagnerrp:

$10 to them, $20 to SD, people are bleeding me dry

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wagnerrp:

ill have to pack lunch three... no, four days this year

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mzb:

just odd ... miro works fine

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: its a conspiracy

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Bumblebeebat:

Can anyone help me out, I love Mythtv and have been using it for a year or two. I bought two HD-PVR's and connected them to my two Starchoice HD (satellite service in Canada) boxes (connected via component/optical). Everything is awesome except for one small thing. The audio stream always (about 60%-70% of the time) drops halfway through recording an movie. This typically happens while recording a movie with a 5.1 track. I have tried updating the

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Bumblebeebat:

firmware. I have tried adding a laptop cooler. Nothing seems to work. I am about ready to pull my hair out. If anyone can help me I would be so happy. Apologies if I do not know proper IRC etiquette, this is my first time using.

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mzb:

failing on "gtcache.init()"

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Bumblebeebat:

I have not seen that error

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wagnerrp:

mzb: got a line number?

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** mzb deletes his code **

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wagnerrp:

mzb: were you the one who wrote the pre-postroll stuff for X10?

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mzb:

err, yes

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mzb:

328: gtcache.init()

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wagnerrp:

ever get a chance to migrate that to the event system?

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mzb:

not yet ... I have to finish the computer room first (all the X10 stuff is unplugged)

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mzb:

however I _do_ plan to do that

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wagnerrp:

ah, just curious to how well it worked

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mzb:

I can show you a video ;)

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wagnerrp:

i mean the event system stuff

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wagnerrp:

(if you had done so)

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mzb:

ah

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mzb:

ok, thought you meant how good the effect is

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wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell almost no one is using it, although it is fairly new

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wagnerrp:

only one new script added to the category... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts

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** wagnerrp apologizes for the shameless plug for new scripts **

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wagnerrp:

:P

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mzb:

ok, I get the idea ... should be fairly trivial to get that up and running

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mzb:

should be able (allowed) to get that done in <month)

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mzb:

she's worked out that "her" loune will be computer/junk free once the computer room is finished ;)

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mzb:

s/lounge

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mzb:

hmm ... I've tried exporting/unsetting LC_ALL to no effect

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mzb:

when miro is started, I note: 2010-05–16 14:22:58,144 INFO Language: [('LC_ALL', 'en_AU.UTF-8'), ('LANG', 'en_AU.UTF-8')]

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mzb:

then unset LC_ALL and get: 2010-05–16 14:23:57,243 INFO Language: [('LANG', 'en_AU.UTF-8')]

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wagnerrp:

no rush, was just going to suggest putting it up there if you already had it working

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wagnerrp:

well either way, it should access [0]

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wagnerrp:

i doubt that would make a difference

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mzb:

yep, just making sure

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mzb:

I've changed some settings in preferences (for the sake of it), and now downloading a small video

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wagnerrp:

so you have the miro python bindings installed, its just failing when trying to initialize them?

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mzb:

I guess so

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wagnerrp:

run that command locally

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wagnerrp:

open 'python' in the terminal

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wagnerrp:

and run 'from miro import gtcache; gtcache.init()'

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mzb:

ah ... errr ... ok

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mzb:

File "usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/miro/gtcache.py", line 47, in init

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mzb:

Exception: locale not initialized

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mzb:

err

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mzb:

doesn't exist

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mzb:

(no leading /)

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mzb:

(if that counts)

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wagnerrp:

odd... it should have the leading /

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wagnerrp:

but obviously it exists or else python couldnt have loaded

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mzb:

probably my hack of the Makefile

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wagnerrp:

nah, thats completely independent of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

unless you hacked up the Miro makefile

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mzb:

yes

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wagnerrp:

even still, Miro probably couldnt cause that

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wagnerrp:

since youre not touching Miro, just python

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mzb:

I changed prefix = /usr/local

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mzb:

and --root=/

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mzb:

ps: I am ssh =X'd into the box

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mzb:

got it

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mzb:

prior to gtcache.init you need: from miro.plat import utils

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mzb:

utils.initialize_locale()

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bcgrown:

hi everyone

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Nixon:

<everyone> Hello bcgrown!

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bcgrown:

wut

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bcgrown:

hi everyone?

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wagnerrp:

dont mind him, just a bot

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bcgrown:

lol

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mzb:

2010-05–16 14:45:50,383 – mirobridge – INFO – The environment test passed !

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mzb:

maybe my microbridge is a bit old ;)

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** mzb vows to update mythboxen if/when recordings stop! **

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bcgrown:

is anyone else using 0.23 able to enter a year when importing (ripping) a CD? it's always blank when I do a "scan cd" even though the other metadata is found. if i try to enter the year, my cursor gets "stuck" in the year box

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iamlindoro:

bcgrown, The stuck issue was fixed even before .23 was officially released, you need to update to current fixes (or at least to the release)

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bcgrown:

i'm on mythbuntu 10.04 and an apt-get upgrade doesn't show any mythtv updates

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iamlindoro:

because 10.04 went out with a pre-release

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iamlindoro:

install mythbuntu's auto-builds and update/upgrade

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bcgrown:

from what i've read, the auto-builds sometimes break things in a major way. i don't want that to happen...

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iamlindoro:

you've read reports from morons

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bcgrown:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Or people who did something stupid by setting themselves up to upgrade to trunk

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iamlindoro:

the auto-builds *only* contain the bug fixes that we apply to MythTV

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bcgrown:

ok

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bcgrown:

do you know if there's also been a fix for the CD ripping screen complaining about permissions when it shouldn't?

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't sound like a myth bug to me, sounds like a config issue

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bcgrown:

but the thing is, i've ripped a whole bunch of CDs to the exact same idr

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bcgrown:

*dir

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bcgrown:

no complaints

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iamlindoro:

I've ripped many many CDs in myth, never had an issue with permissions-- but my config is correct too ;)

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bcgrown:

what's wrong with my config then? which user needs write permission to the output dir?

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iamlindoro:

Can't guess, no psychic powers

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bcgrown:

... the same user that runs the frontend, right?

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iamlindoro:

in theory, yes

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bcgrown:

what do you mean "in theory?"

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iamlindoro:

I mean the output of files will require the user of the FE to have write permissions, but that is not guaranteed to be the only thing that is written, nor can I promise without double checking the code that an intermediate directory is not used for ripping, nor can I promise that some other metadata file is not written or may have been written by some other user and stuck there, thus causing permissions errors

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iamlindoro:

so there are too many variables for me to break it down to "your frontend user having write permissions to the output directory is enough."

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bcgrown:

just to make sure i don't screw up, is this what I want: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds ?

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bcgrown:

"activate auto builds" ?

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iamlindoro:

yes, that's what you want

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bcgrown:

ok

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iamlindoro:

I fixed that bug in fixes in r24313, but the autobuilds should give you somewhere around r24678, so even more fixy goodness

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bcgrown:

awesome

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bcgrown:

will the year be grabbed from the metadata after the fix, or do i still have to enter it manually?

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bcgrown:

0.24=trunk? i want autobuilds to update to 0.23, i'm guessing?

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iamlindoro:

correct, their .24 packages follow trunk and then seamless transition to .24 when it comes out, and you want the .23 packages

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bcgrown:

and how safe is the testing ppa?

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iamlindoro:

I couldn't tell you, but to keep it simple I would *just* activate the myth auto-builds

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bcgrown:

ok

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iamlindoro:

since their testing PPA is all their other corollary/non-myth stuff and I could see how *that* would cause problems if it was funky

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bcgrown:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

if you just go for the myth auto-builds, you will only get fixes that we myth devs personally apply to .23

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iamlindoro:

(which makes it a lot easier for us to support you)

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wagnerrp:

the mailing list archives really have some choice threads

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iamlindoro:

Trying to erase something from the internet is beyond silly

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iamlindoro:

Like chasing your own tail

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wagnerrp:

well there are at least half a dozen archives that ive come across

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wagnerrp:

i would hope anyone who came across that wouldnt take it seriously anyway

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iamlindoro:

it sounds like it was written by a crazy person, so yeah

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wagnerrp:

hey, look at that.... my local archive actually goes back that far

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bcgrown:

Do I just use a \ to escape spaces in paths in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

escape for what purpose?

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: have you heard of any problems with mythweb after 0.21 to 0.23-fixes upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb should work just fine

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: so that the path works.. i.e. /my/path/has spaces/

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: I get Error MythWeb now requires use of the Videos Storage Group

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wagnerrp:

that sort of path should work, no escaping needed

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bsterne:

I didn't get many hits searching for that message

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wagnerrp:

and that error says exactly what it means

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wagnerrp:

if you want to access videos in mythweb, you need to use storage groups

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clever_:

which class::function in mythtv deals with loading of the theme?

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bsterne:

wagnerrp: and those can only be added via the frontend?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, there is an open bug against MythWeb for third-level directories and with UTF-8 characters

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iamlindoro:

two bugs, one for each, actually

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wagnerrp:

no, storage groups can only be managed with mythtv-setup

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bsterne:

ah

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clever_:

LoadWindowFromXML looks interesting

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clever_:

LoadBaseTheme looks like the area i want

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bcgrown:

i want to do a scheduled system backup but i want mythtv to be aware of it so that mythwelcome won't shut down the machine in the middle of a backup. should i just write a script to do a mythshutdown --lock/--unlock, or is there a better way?

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Guest83209:

how can i find a modalias for input event9

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Guest83209:

so i acan use my cheapo remote .keyboard in lirc

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Guest83209:

using /devinput

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[R]:

modalias? huh?

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Guest83209:

I wanted to use this code here

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Guest83209:

udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event1)

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Guest83209:

but ubuntu never used udevinfo or its no longer used

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Guest83209:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Snapstream_firefly_min

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Guest83209:

im following this guide

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clever_:

Guest83209: udevinfo has been renamed to part of udevadm

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[R]:

i see nothign there

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[R]:

but what is the point of that command?

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clever_:

i beleive you can just use udevadm info now

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Guest83209:

the point of the command is to look at the input events and then print to screen all the info regarding that event including the modalias of the device which is unique so that i may add a symlink for lirc to use

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[R]:

why do you need a symlink?

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clever_:

udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/input/event1) works fine for me

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[R]:

and what's wrong with /dev/input/by-id or /dev/input/by-path?

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Guest83209:

SYSFS{modalias}=="usb:v1233pE007d0100dc00dsc00dp00ic03isc01ip02" <==== THIS ONE!

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Guest83209:

im looking for a unigue identifier as above

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[R]:

Guest83209: and the point is...

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** [R] still isn't seeing it **

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Guest83209:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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clever_:

ive used it before with udev to detect certain mice and auto-run stuff based on which mouse is connected

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Guest83209:

this is the guide I'm following

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AndyCap:

like say /dev/input/by-id/usb-Gyration_Gyration_RF_Technology_Receiver-event-kbd

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Guest83209:

and Im stuck at the getting the modalias bit

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[R]:

the point of /dev/input/by-id /dev/input/by-path is so you dont have to do stupid nonsense like that

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clever_:

[R]: he is trying to get the details on the device for making a udev rule, for a custom symlink

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[R]:

and i'm still not seeing the point

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[R]:

when udev creates all the symlinks you could possibly want

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clever_:

the guide makes a input/firefly-mini link using udev

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[R]:

which is stupid and pointless

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Guest83209:

I want to make one for my holtek receiver so i can use it in lirc

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[R]:

[01:31:29] [R] and what's wrong with /dev/input/by-id or /dev/input/by-path?

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clever_:

Guest83209: did you try 'udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/input/event1)' ?

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Guest83209:

yes

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clever_:

and does that work?

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Guest83209:

but it did not give the modalias

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clever_:

you should be able to do the same thing with other parameters it listed

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clever_:

i found http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/ as a good guide for getting starte

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clever_:

d

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Guest83209:

info: option requires an argument — 'p'

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clever_:

sounds like the inner command errored out

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clever_:

or you didnt give a valid to -n

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Guest83209:

i used what you gave me including the word path

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Guest83209:

perhaps if i chnage the word path to

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clever_:

by path, i mean the /dev/input/event1

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clever_:

event1 may not even be your ir receiver, it might be event5 or event123456

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Guest83209:

its event 9

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AndyCap:

[R]: get popcorn instead? :P

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[R]:

AndyCap: ?

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AndyCap:

instead of trying to convince them of the greatness of /dev/input/by*/*

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Guest83209:

/dev/input/by-id$ stat -c "%N" /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control*

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Guest83209:

`/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-kbd' -> `../event9'

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Guest83209:

`/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-mouse' -> `../event10'

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Guest83209:

`/dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-mouse' -> `../mouse2'

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Guest83209:

dad@mythserver:/dev/input/by-id$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event9

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Guest83209:

> udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event9

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[R]:

AndyCap: haha

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AndyCap:

Guest83209: so give /dev/input/by-id/usb-Twinhan_Tech_Remote_Control_1111111-event-kbd to lirc and be done with it?

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clever_:

you forgot the ), so all hell broke loose

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clever_:

when the prompt suddenly changes to >, something is wrong, dont ignore it and keep trying the same thing

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Guest83209:

thats from hours ago i worked out i was missing the ) :D

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Guest83209:

Andycap If i just use that id in lirc that will work every time?

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clever_:

Guest83209: thats the whole point of by-id

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Guest83209:

ok then thanks very much

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Guest83209:

Is there a way i can halt the receiver from producing keyboard inputs or do i need them for lirc

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Guest83209:

to work.

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AndyCap:

does lirc open the input device with O_EXCL?

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Guest83209:

atm lirc is not configured until i work out how to and if what im thinking is possible

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mots:

hey, I currently have a homeserver (linux) which shares a lot of movies/tv shows using smb and 3 xbmc boxes that access that data

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mots:

now I'd like to get live tv, is it possible to install a tv card in the server and then stream to the clients using mythtv and xbmc's myth protocol?

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Chiwauwa:

wagnerrp: Promised to give an update. Got the set up with a master/slave backend up and running. Added one (of two) capture card to the new machine and configured it as a slave backend (will become the master backend later). The original backend/frontend is now the master backend (with the other capture card) and I have the database running on my NAS (to make it less vulnerable to disk crashes). It took some time to get it right ... mostly gettin

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Chiwauwa:

g rid of the 127.0.0.1 entries :-) ... learning by doing.

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Chiwauwa:

I have one queston though. I do not fully understand how the channels are linked to the capture cards. In MediaPortal a dialog is available to link channels with cards, but I do not see where this is managed in MythTV- The channelse are linked to my capture card on the slave backend – how I do not fully understand. i created the capture card, the video source with the same name as on the master backend and linked those in the input section. What i

[06:25:08]

Chiwauwa:

s it on the backend that linkes the existing channel scan (from the master backend) to the new capture card. My only guess is the video source (due to the naming), but that doesn

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Chiwauwa:

doesn

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Chiwauwa:

doesn't seem to be right to me?

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marcuy:

hi all, any help with setting up a Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI video tuner on Ubuntu??

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Guest83209:

is it a leadtek dtv1000s

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Guest83209:

mrcuy

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Guest83209:

marcuy

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Guest83209:

if it is then

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Guest83209:

marcuy, http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /942269.html

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Guest83209:

I had a leadtek card which has the coneexant chip and i had it working

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Guest83209:

marcuy, read that post from go to woe and yours will to.

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jolaren:

Mythweb's flash recordings only play for 3 seconds then stops ;/ Gosh

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Dassu:

Personally I would never prefer flash :(

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jolaren:

Dassu: I use it on my cellphone mostly

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jolaren:

and the kids netbooks

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jolaren:

I got it workin now tho

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jolaren:

Still the database recovery from last night made me loose 200 episodes (or not loose since they are still in recordings) but they aren't listed in MythTVFrontend, can I remove these somehow?

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jolaren:

Or add'em

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Jay2k1:

humm.. i'm no expert but i guess since you don't have the meta data anymore, it'll be next to impossible

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Jay2k1:

all you have is the recording date and the channel id from the filename

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Jay2k1:

doesn't mythtv backup its db regularly?

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Dassu:

AFAIK there is a script for that. Don't remember the name though

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Jay2k1:

i mean, you'd need the program info from all these air dates, if that's available somewhere you could script it

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jolaren:

Jay2k1: it does

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jolaren:

or mine did one a week

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jolaren:

i records loads tho ;p

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jolaren:

note-to-self backup db more often

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jolaren:

perhaps I can use "sort by date?"?

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jolaren:

in the recordings folder

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jolaren:

and remove?

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jolaren:

didnt work but was worth it

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sphery:

jolaren: they play for 3 seconds then you hit the end of the transcoded recording--i.e. your MythWeb box is too slow to transcode in real time or your player started playing before the transcode was sufficiently far ahead.

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sphery:

so sometimes you can start playback again seconds later and be good

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sphery:

or, if your MythWeb box is to slow, you can just never use Flash

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sphery:

note that transcoding in real time is more processor intensive than playback, too

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sphery:

and there's no VDPAU accel for it

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jolaren:

I reinstalled mythweb, that did the trick sphery

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sphery:

or starting playback again a second time worked :)

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jolaren:

No, it did not

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jolaren:

I had to purge it

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jolaren:

and re-install it

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jolaren:

my next project is to try and get the recordings not listed in mythtv away from my recordings folder

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sphery:

jolaren: also, to remove the recording files that aren't listed in Watch Recordings, you can see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl

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jolaren:

haha

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jolaren:

find orphans:D

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cleith:

Hell

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cleith:

Hello

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mcl0vin:

howdy folks

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mcl0vin:

i have setup mythtv backend on ubuntu box, can i setup a frontend in windows box

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mcl0vin:

?

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unixSnob:

sure.. the front end can be anything.. even a proprietary media box

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unixSnob:

i think even a sony playstation will work for a front end

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mcl0vin:

unixSnob: were can i get the installer please?

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marcuy:

any help with setting up a Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI video tuner on Ubuntu??

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: what is the tuner name?

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: it should be auto detected with ubuntu

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: 'lspci |pastebinit'

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** stuartm waits to see how many complaints he receives for the wiki changes **

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, http://pastebin.com/nhdLrwqF

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I've tried with tvtime, but without luck yet..

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: when you say no luck, what do you mean? in the frontend , can you watch livetv?

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, no luck = blue screen with (no signal) message

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unixSnob:

mcl0vin: afaik, you must compile it. i have not seen a one-click Windows install for the front end

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unixSnob:

IOW, you're in for some pain

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: well, how are you connected to the TV

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mcl0vin:

unixSnob: nah, i will just stick to linux :)

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unixSnob:

even better

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, coaxial cable

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: hmmmm, you are trying to be lazy , regarding the Audio :), do you have an s-video i like using them, but anyways

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mcl0vin:

check and see if your tuner is capturing video

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mcl0vin:

easy way IMO 'cat /dev/video0 > videofile.mpg' then play that

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mcl0vin:

this will give you an idea what could be wrong

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mcl0vin:

marcuy: i am sorry , my experince with MythTV is only 2–3 days , my system isn't still fully up

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, sorry but the cable doesn't fit into svideo, how do u say to connect them? (I'm a little novice with video stuff sorry)

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** mcl0vin please tell me you didn't just unhook the coax cable and tried to fit it in the s-video slot? **

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, lol

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I didn't

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I don't have any tv close to me to try to connect svideo source

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mcl0vin:

weeh, coz if you did , boy you have a long road ahead

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, I just have the cable

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marcuy:

mcl0vin, and the pci video card

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cleith:

How should I set the audio prefs in 0.23 for Fedora 12 (pulseaudio)?

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cleith:

Later

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** wagnerrp hates old people **

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wagnerrp:

theres a four lane road near my house, and 'some people' were too incompetent to stay within the (not very) narrow lanes

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wagnerrp:

so the changed it to two very wide lanes, a huge turn lane, and no passing

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wagnerrp:

speed limit is 35, even a semi should be able to go 50

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wagnerrp:

i get stuck behind some old man going 25, slowing to 15 in the turns

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clever_:

wagnerrp: dont worry, one day you can be the old person and pass it on to the youngins!

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magius_pendragon:

I've recently switched distributions and noticed that my keyboard doesn't work when watching livetv after the first channel change.

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fartywarty:

magius_pendragon, that is a bug that was common in .22

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fartywarty:

reguardless of distro afaik

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fartywarty:

it used to happen to me too

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fartywarty:

seems ok in .23

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magius_pendragon:

fartywarty: saw a 4 yr old bug for .19, but not for .22. I wonder if I was using .23 in my old distro...

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fartywarty:

probably not

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fartywarty:

do you know what version you are using now

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magius_pendragon:

I don't watch livetv much, so I may not have noticed, just was trying to make sure both tuners worked since I switched over

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magius_pendragon:

right now? 0.22_p23069

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fartywarty:

ok

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magius_pendragon:

dunno about what was in my old distro

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fartywarty:

the bug isnt effected soley by watching livetv

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magius_pendragon:

?

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fartywarty:

didnt you export your database from your old distro

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magius_pendragon:

yes

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magius_pendragon:

but some udev stuff changed around, so I had to recreate the cards

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fartywarty:

i spose its possible you had .21 and upgraded the schema when you installed .22

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fartywarty:

thats not important

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fartywarty:

what i mean is there is more than one way of trigger the keyboard unresponsiveness then just livetv usually anything will trigger it

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fartywarty:

i havent had that problem in .23 and dont know of the status of it I saw a ticket but didnt follow it

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magius_pendragon:

fartywarty: it's only happening in livetv right now. I could move around in my recordings just fine

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magius_pendragon:

and the version in my old distro was... looks like 23562–2 ... so it might be 0.23

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fartywarty:

no it wouldnt be

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fartywarty:

you cant downgrade your database schema

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fartywarty:

anyway im off

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fartywarty:

check your logs if you like it may be somthing unrelated

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stuartm:

you can't downgrade, but a backup will have been created when you upgraded

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magius_pendragon:

stuartm: okay, but I'm not sure how this helps

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magius_pendragon:

think I'm narrowing down the problem

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wagnerrp:

clever_: i surely hope were not driving 50yrs from now

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oobe:

maybe they will have vehicles controlled by our minds that levitate and also go really fast and stuff

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oobe:

but they still make a version with an impressive broom broom sound for meat heads

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wagnerrp:

oobe: no, im more concerned about geriatrics going 15mph in a 35mph no-passing-zone

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oobe:

yea

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oobe:

but also being about to teleport would be cool

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** wagnerrp wishes people would stop trying to repurpose horribly underpowered systems as servers and media playback **

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iamlindoro:

yeah, if your system has the word "plug" in it, give up

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magius_pendragon:

I found out the keyboard input is only breaking on one of my cards. If I remove it, the other works. If I readd it, it only stops after i try and 'y' to the affected card

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[R]:

i really hate how the hdpvr acts all stupid if its not getting a signal

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mcl0vin:

how do i know which /dev/video* is related to my capture card

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[R]:

mcl0vin: dmesg

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[R]:

how many devices do you have that you have multiple nodes though?

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mcl0vin:

[R]: i have WinTV-HVR-1600

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mcl0vin:

but my mythtv sometime it works and most of the time it doesn't!

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mcl0vin:

i mean when i try to watch liveTV

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: what's it doing when it doesn't work?

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 will only have one useful dev node

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: are you talking about it locking up after you change channel once?

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wagnerrp:

usually /dev/video0

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: when i do 'cat /dev/video0 > fiile.mpg i can view it using vlc

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mcl0vin:

but when i go to watch TV it will display "please wait..." then it goes back to the FE main menu

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mcl0vin:

!paste

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Nidhoegger:

mcl0vin, i had the same prob

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Nidhoegger:

check the backend log

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mcl0vin:

check it for what thu , this is my first Mythbox :)

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mcl0vin:

my BE log http://pastebin.com/1TFa2eQC

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: where did you tell the backend to put the recordings?

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magius_pendragon:

wait, scratch that

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magius_pendragon:

it says you have no valid capture cards

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Nidhoegger:

did you do -> mythtv-setup to configure your cards?

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mcl0vin:

yes , and that is why i am here now , because i dont know what went wrong

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: was the backend running when you ran mythtv-setup? it should throw a warning if it is

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mcl0vin:

magius_pendragon: i am not sure

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sphery:

any PHP gurus around?

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sphery:

anyone know why you'd use &= with an object, like $program =& new Program($row);

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sphery:

er, =&, that is

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[R]:

its a reference

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[R]:

like in C

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mcl0vin:

magius_pendragon: what you suggest it do

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sphery:

[R]: ahhh... wanna come into #mythtv to answer any follow on questions that danielk may have

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magius_pendragon:

mcl0vin: 1) make sure the dev nodes exist. 2) make sure the backend's stopped. 3) try mythtv-setup again. I assume you've found instructions about setting up the HVR? Make sure to do both input cards and connections whenever you delete inputs.

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mcl0vin:

magius_pendragon: !) what do you mean by node? 2) how do i stop it "kill -9"? no i don't have instruction on the HVR setp, can you point me to a link

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sphery:

[R]: BTW, thank you very much for your help. Both danielk and I--who are both out of our element in PHP--appreciate the help.

[16:11:53]

[R]:

yeah, i'm decent with php, if you need a little help i could try

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[R]:

but can't make any promises

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sphery:

well, we can always use help

[16:12:58]

sphery:

I'm not trying to volunteer anyone in particular, but would love to have someone give the PHP objects a proper wagnerrp'ing (i.e. clean them up the way wagnerrp cleaned up the Python bindings).

[16:13:36]

[R]:

yeah, i dunno if i could start with something that big

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sphery:

yeah, that's the down side--it would be a huge project

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[R]:

i do love mythweb though

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wagnerrp:

im finally there, im a household name

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sphery:

having a strong PHP bindings base would make MythWeb much nicer, too :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep... congrats

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and you're a verb also

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wagnerrp:

can you make/install php modules in php?

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wagnerrp:

or do they have to be compiled as source objects?

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wagnerrp:

shared objects

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8467 seems rather far-reaching consequences for MythNews to impose on a system

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[R]:

wagnerrp: there is cpan like stuff for php, that you can install systemwide i belive

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sphery:

Wonder if that guy is getting some Flash-crash-the-display-driver issue

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sphery:

as I don't see how MythNews could kill network, keyboard, ... (kernel, it sounds like)

[16:21:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: have you updated past r24694 to check to see if Python bindings still work?

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sphery:

there was data removed from programinfo

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wagnerrp:

not yet, i looked at the changes and gave danielk an update patch for python

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wagnerrp:

but i never actually tested it

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sphery:

ah, cool

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wagnerrp:

bindings_python no? guess i dont have lxml installed in my trunk jail

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wagnerrp:

i cannot seem to find any p5-net-upnp packages for freebsd

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mcl0vin:

now when i try to watch live tv, i get this error "Error:MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"

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drindt:

i run into that problem http://pastebin.com/DgtuBd3z, but when i manually delete this file its vanished, only mythtv can't delete it, what can i do?

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kalelme:

hello

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kalelme:

a single question is posible view avi+str

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wagnerrp:

str?

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kalelme:

sorry srt

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kalelme:

movie.avi + movie.srt

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can use external SRT files of the same name as the file it is accessing

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kalelme:

i try but no see the sub

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wagnerrp:

't'?

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drindt:

i run into that problem http://pastebin.com/DgtuBd3z, but when i manually delete this file its vanished, only mythtv can't delete it, what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

man... x264 /REALLY/ didnt like minority report

[18:24:16]

wagnerrp:

all that film grain, video dropped to 3.5GB

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wagnerrp:

of course that is half the size of the mpeg2

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sphery:

wagnerrp: You should use xvid. I heard that xvid looks really pretty. It's not huge like MPEG2.

[18:30:57]

wagnerrp:

the only reason im even bothering transcoding them is my desktop doesnt seem to like VOBs for some reason

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wagnerrp:

or mpeg2+ac3 remuxed to mkv

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wagnerrp:

'i dont have nearly enough background to participate in this discussion, but im going to go ahead and paste a bunch of garbage into the mailing list anyway.'

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wagnerrp:

...

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[R]:

sphery: that's what she said?

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wagnerrp:

oh wow... interlaced DVD

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wagnerrp:

thats awful

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[R]:

so i don't know why everyone freaks out about isos and storage groups

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[R]:

you can use both of them

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[R]:

i have a local nfs mount for my isos ontop of the storage group for my regular stuff

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wagnerrp:

yer takin ar external players

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[R]:

no, internal

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wagnerrp:

because people are panicky idoits?

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

isn't there a command to quit the frontend from the network control?

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[R]:

i can't seem to find oen

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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[R]:

well i guess i could send a series of key presses

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wagnerrp:

crap... the individual VOBs were all TC'd independently

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wagnerrp:

im going to have to re-rip this thing

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[R]:

does anyone else like Marla Sokoloff?

[19:04:49]

wagnerrp:

she looks familiar, but i dont recognize anything ive seen her in

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[R]:

never saw Sugar and Spice?

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wagnerrp:

no

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[R]:

or Dude Wheres my Car?

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wagnerrp:

saw it, only vaguely remember bits and pieces

[19:06:24]

wagnerrp:

something about aliens and special necklaces

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[R]:

i'm watching it for the first time

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[R]:

its pretty stupid

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kalelme:

wagnerrp: thx work perfect

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[R]:

wtf

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[R]:

since when do splitters just randomly go bad

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mzb:

RDV_Linux: http://openpaste.org/en/21625/

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mzb:

^^ got it running ... to a point, but a couple of exceptions and then it seems to do nothing

[20:00:09]

RDV_Linux:

mzb: looking now

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mzb:

thanks

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mcl0vin:

now when i try to watch live tv, i get this error "Error:MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"

[20:01:57]

wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: that means your backend is not configured correctly

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wagnerrp:

see your backend logs for more information

[20:02:54]

mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: i am looking at it as we speak , but i still didn't build that troubleshooting skill with MythTV

[20:04:33]

RDV_Linux:

mzb: You are using "Miro Bridge version v0.5.7" with Miro v3.0.1, only with Mirobridge v0.5.8 and higher supports Miro 3.x

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mzb:

doh!

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mzb:

ok, thanks

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: I also suspect that you may have a hung python process or more. You will have to kill those

[20:05:45]

** mzb announces to the females that the system is going to be updated _NOW_ **

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mzb:

I do have a permanently running python process, but nothing seems to be hung

[20:07:30]

mzb:

(for pywii wii remote)

[20:07:56]

mzb:

updating now

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: It would either be mirobride or democracy which is Miro's processing name

[20:08:33]

mzb:

k

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mzb:

nope

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RDV_Linux:

mzb: Sometimes you get a hung process sometimes not it all depends on where the issues happens when MiroBridge is interacting with the Miro BE

[20:09:59]

mzb:

# pgrep "miro|demo|py"

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mzb:

#

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mzb:

this *could* be further confused by running on Debian Squeeze

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** mzb trots downstairs to watch the paint drying in his little white room while mythtv rebuilds **

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mcl0vin:

2010-05–16 13:44:11.421 Backend exiting, MainServer initialization error.Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit

[20:18:32]

mcl0vin:

2010-05–16 13:44:19.545 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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iamlindoro:

So you're trying to start an instance of the backend with another instance running

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[R]:

if i know the tv db id of something... and mythvideo doesnt want to play nicely... how do i make it use that particular id? i tried usnig jamu but that was a fail too

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mcl0vin:

iamlindoro: well it asked me if i want to shutdown the BE and i said yes

[20:22:57]

mcl0vin:

i think its time to restart the box

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin, You are talking about mythbuntu stuff, we never ask to shut down the backend

[20:23:18]

iamlindoro:

So you'd have to ask them about their random script voodoo

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: Through Mythvideo you can edit the meta data an input the proper reference number that way.

[20:24:23]

[R]:

RDV_Linux: i tried that, it also didn't work for some reason

[20:24:37]

[R]:

i went to "Manually Enter Video #"

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: What version of MythTV are you using?

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[R]:

23 fixees

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achew22:

I'm trying to use scte65scan and I have a couple of questions. I have generated the vct.sql file and I'm getting ready to import it. are you supposed to create a video source for the scte program?

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[R]:

http://thetvdb.com/?tab=episode&seriesid= . . . 28&lid=7

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[R]:

2010-05–16 17:24:57.627 Video Data Query: Executing "'/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/Television/ttvdb.py' -l en -D 333128 1 0"

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[R]:

that's what i get from the frontend log

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[R]:

yet i see no metadata

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iamlindoro:

because there is no season 1 episode 0

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: ^^^

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

that did it

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[R]:

no, that didnt

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: I would suspect that your file naming convention for TV shows is not supported by Mythvideo or Jamu

[20:26:50]

[R]:

now it picked up the real season 1 episode 1

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[R]:

this isn't really an episode

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RDV_Linux:

See the wiki for the supported video file naming convention

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[R]:

its under "special" season on tv db

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: Specials in TVDB are all season 0

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[R]:

season 0... ah

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[R]:

still not working

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[R]:

hrm

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RDV_Linux:

[R]: Check that TVDB has the special you are expecting plus confirm the season and episode numbers

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[R]:

oh wait, i forgot to fix the ep num

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[R]:

its season 0 ep 1

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[R]:

that did it

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iamlindoro:

!seen kormoc

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MythLogBot:

kormoc was last seen 25 days 8 minutes 57 seconds ago

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hey, the other guy has stopped

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, Nixon's bot is gone... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ hehehehe

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iamlindoro:

no, he's just not here

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iamlindoro:

!seen iamlindoro

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MythLogBot:

iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 5 seconds

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wagnerrp:

no, hes here

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs... ;-) **

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iamlindoro:

but you're right, he turned it off

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iamlindoro:

previously you had to seen a person whowas present to get a response

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mzb:

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you have your own patch applied

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iamlindoro:

so you need to keep up with commits if you're using trunk

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iamlindoro:

Which actually had special instructions on how to update your patches ;)

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wagnerrp:

or switch to the event system sooner than planned?

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mzb:

don't think I've changed it

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biffhero:

live TV, frontend log: "AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters" — have to restart myth to be able to view anything else.

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mzb:

:) hehe

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iamlindoro:

don't think you've changed what?

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iamlindoro:

Your patch is based on using mythcontext, and mythcontext no longer works the same way, so you need to keep up with commits to know how to adjust, or just don't run trunk

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mzb:

ah ... no, status=M

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mzb:

yeah wagnerrp, you're dead right .... pre-post commands

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mzb:

forgot all about that

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mzb:

iamlindoro: my X10 stuff is currently unplugged ... so my pre-post hack isn't required atm

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mzb:

I'll get around to using events later

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biffhero:

wny would livetv playback not work in myth, but work in mplayer from the same system?

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mzb:

your logs might tell you

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biffhero:

MZB: thanks. mythfrontend.log has the following: AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters. file was "/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1003_20100516174048.mpg"

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biffhero:

I installed mplayer to make sure it wasn't an access or a backend issue.

[21:03:01]

biffhero:

and after that error, I am not able to play any prior TV recordings, nor any .isos which would previously work. Restarting mythfrontend fixes ISOs and recordings.

[21:03:45]

mzb:

there are probably more issues than that single line (wild guess) ... try pasting (see the topic) your logs for that entire time period

[21:04:09]

mzb:

then again, somebody else here might actually be familiar with that error ;)

[21:04:23]

biffhero:

K

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biffhero:

pastebin.ca

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biffhero:

ugh.

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biffhero:

site not coming up.

[21:06:33]

biffhero:

better url in the topic than on the wiki

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biffhero:

AFD error while watchign live TV http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Qr2iQPj4

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[R]:

biffhero: does recordings work?

[21:09:10]

[R]:

what is the error in the backend log

[21:09:19]

biffhero:

[R]: yes, the .mpg file on the backend is OK.

[21:09:32]

[R]:

biffhero: huh?

[21:09:35]

biffhero:

I can open up an xterm and 'mplayer' it just fine. I will go 2xcheck for errors on the backend right now.

[21:09:52]

biffhero:

oh, you mean, "Can I watch recordings?"

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

can you make a recording

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psm321:

hmm, as of 2 or 3 days ago i could still get a lock on my comcast qam channels but most were encrypted (and some were still fine)... today, no lock at all on any channels (!!)

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[R]:

psm321: sounds liek they encrypted them

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biffhero:

I haven't tried to make a recording, the verification that I have done was to go look in /var/lib/mythtv/livetv/ and use mplayer on the .mpg file that my capture card was putting there, but I will try to make a recording right now. thanks for the idea.

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[R]:

what mpg file?

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biffhero:

when I try to watch live tv, the backend starts dropping a file in /var/lib/mythtv/livetv/

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biffhero:

We have a playbackURL(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1003_20100516180507.mpg) & cardtype(MPEG)

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biffhero:

that was from my logs, also at http://mythtv.pastebin.com/Qr2iQPj4

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[R]:

ok, so the backend is actually recording

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biffhero:

yes, it is.

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[R]:

so back to

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[R]:

[06:09:10] [R] what is the error in the backend log

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biffhero:

Checking...

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psm321:

[R]: that was what happened 2 days ago... i dont think any of the encryption standards actually include encrypting the headers and such you'd need to tune into the stream

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[R]:

psm321: huh?

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psm321:

heh n/m... it's only a problem with one of my 2 identical tuners, must be having issues

[21:15:51]

achew22:

has anyone had issues with vdpau in lucid? I installed nvidia-current and it didn't seem to turn on VDPAU at all. It is also running REALLY slow (2fps or lower on just drawing things). Does anyone have any ideas on whats going on?

[21:16:02]

psm321:

[R]: so, with encrypted channels, I can tune them, just can't see anything (mythtv's OSD says "LAM" and then "LAMc"). With the problem i'm having wih the one tuner, it never gets to "L"

[21:16:20]

[R]:

sounds like bad hardware then

[21:16:51]

[R]:

achew22: there is no "on" switch for vdpau aside from enabling the proper display profile

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psm321:

[R]: yeah, that or more likely just stuck in a bad state... my ivtv cards get stuck in a bad state every once in a while, this is the first time i've had this sort of thing from a dvb card

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achew22:

[R]: and VDPAU slim is the most kind of the VDPAU profiles?

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biffhero:

[R] the backend logs from attempting to watch live tv are at http://pastebin.com/KsWuvbzJ I wonder if there's something there on line 32, where the back end doesn't tell the front end what sort of decoding to do.

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[R]:

achew22: most kind?

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achew22:

there are 3 vdpau profiles. I assume slim does something that makes it easier for weaker video cards to draw properly?

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[R]:

slim enables the crappiest deinterlacer

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[R]:

biffhero: i see no errors there

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[R]:

biffhero: and if you do make a recording, and then try to watch it... does ti work?

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biffhero:

the livetv recordings (run mplayer on /var/lib/mythtv/livetv/.....) were working properly earlier today.

[21:21:49]

biffhero:

checking one now. the last one expired already.

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wagnerrp:

achew22: what video card do you have?

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[R]:

biffhero: what does mplayer have to do with antyhing

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[R]:

biffhero: does it work in myth

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biffhero:

yes, was able to watch it fine. I will go make a recording now, rather than watch live tv

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achew22:

[R]: 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2) which I was using in Karmic with VDPAU

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biffhero:

and yes, I am able to watch a recording of a currently being recording TV show

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wagnerrp:

no you werent

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wagnerrp:

achew22: i dont know where you got the idea that you were using VDPAU, but that chip does not support it

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[R]:

biffhero: weird... livetv is a little flaky at times

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achew22:

wagnerrp: I disagree. http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_185.18.31.html on the supported products page it has under GeForce 6 series 6150

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biffhero:

[R] : thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

achew22: the current set of drivers support that chip, but that chip does not support VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

trust me on this one

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biffhero:

[R] this gives me a good excuse to get a acer revo 3610. :-)

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iamlindoro:

achew22, your card has no VDPAU support

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biffhero:

wagnerrp: does the acer revo 3610 support VDPAU ?

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iamlindoro:

it is as wagnerrp says

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[R]:

biffhero: not really sure why... but ok

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wagnerrp:

biffhero: if that is one of those ION systems, yes

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iamlindoro:

The earliest cards that support VDPAU are GeForce 8xxx series

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iamlindoro:

and not even all of them

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achew22:

iamlindoro: If you could please go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_185.18.31.html and look at the section titled "GeForce 6 series"

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wagnerrp:

achew22: youre wrong

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iamlindoro:

achew22, Which tells you that the card is suported by the driver

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iamlindoro:

The driver supports it. That does *not* give your card VDPAU capability

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biffhero:

wagnerrp: yes, it has an ION in it.

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wagnerrp:

achew22: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . E/README.txt

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iamlindoro:

achew22, http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html lists the chipsets which support VDPAU. Those chipsets were first introduced two generations after your card.

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wagnerrp:

scroll down to appendix A, and it will tell you what supports VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

three if you want to be picky

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mcl0vin:

how do i get audio

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[R]:

mcl0vin: "get" it from what?

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mcl0vin:

[R]: frm cbl box

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[R]:

mcl0vin: we arne't on twitter... speak in words

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mcl0vin:

[R]: hhahahah, ok. i ve my cbl box, and running s-video to my WinTv-HVR-1600

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[R]:

your 1600 also has sound in

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Captain_Murdoch:

can somebody run a "mythbackend -v help" with 0.22, 0.23, or trunk and tell me whether the "-v" args in the list are printed in quotes or not?

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iamlindoro:

yes, in quotes

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iamlindoro:

though all padded to the same width

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's a qt4 issue then. thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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Captain_Murdoch:

wanted to verify it wasn't something with a patch I'm working on since I couldn't findanything wrong with the patch.

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Captain_Murdoch:

guess I'll try to fix that as part of the patch.

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mcl0vin:

[R]: but i don't know how to get it to work, where can i get the audio from cbl box, no out put except 1 RCA'Red,Yellow,while"

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[R]:

mcl0vin: you need an rca to 3.5mm adapter

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mcl0vin:

[R]: i have it , and i have it connected , but where do you get the output

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[R]:

huh?

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elfMobile:

so my mythtv box is no more... kept freezing last week and today it won't turn on without the mothboard saying "cpu failure" out of the speakers. Debating whether I should fix it or just get a DVR from the cable company so I can DVR HD stuff

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[R]:

elfMobile: you can do hd with myth

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elfMobile:

[R], yeah... but I would basically need a whole new computer. All I have is a Hauppauge dual tuner card and a busted Pentium 4 machine

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elfMobile:

[R], can I record more than OTA channels on Myth?

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[R]:

elfMobile: depends on what your cable company provides unencrypted

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[R]:

you can also use an hdpvr and an hd cable box

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clop2:

for a combine fe+be machine, does 2gb sound too little?

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[R]:

clop2: 2gb?

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clop2:

(i'm thinking of replacing my current fe/be with a new i3, but my old ram isn't compatible)

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clop2:

2gb of ram

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clop2:

ideally it could record 2 hd shows (off the hdhomerun) and do commercial flagging inline with recording

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jamesd_:

wouldn't be one of those low budget quad core amd do a better job... cheaper and quad core so you can do more transcoding on it without breaking a sweat.

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[R]:

i have an hdpvr and a qam tuner and comm flag up to 3 things at once

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[R]:

and i have 2gb

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[R]:

but i have a dedicated backend

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[R]:

depending on how you plan on watching the videos, the frontend doenst really use too much ram

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clop2:

jamesd_, hrmn, i haven't really looked at amd stuff yet, i should probably do that

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[R]:

but then again... i have 2gb on my dedicated frontend

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clop2:

[R], does the frontend memory affect the backend somehow?

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[R]:

huh?

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jamesd_:

sub $100 quad core.. kinda of hard to by pass and if you want to do some virtualization the amd come with the virt extensions even on low budget chips.

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[R]:

what do you mean "the fronteend memroy"

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clop2:

[R], ah nm, i see, you're just saying that you can commflag 3 things but maybe that's because you aren't using that machine as a frontend and hence don't need memory for the playback

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wagnerrp:

virtualization... what for?

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achew22:

iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Sorry. I'm working on a box that has sat at my Dad's house for 2 years without a fresh reinstall. The hardware details are far from my memory. I was using XvMC and I remembered distinctly that the CPU couldn't decode. I have the same situation at my appt. but I have a NVIDIA 9600 in my frontend (it has VDPAU). I got so caught up in needing VDPAU because thats where all my decoding problems have been lately th

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achew22:

at I forgot that I wasn't using VDPAU here. Thanks for telling me to shut up.

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jamesd_:

i thought it was going to get better when i ordered my t6400 intel based laptop, but no virt extensions... it really hasn't blown me away for being a newer chip at the time...

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wagnerrp:

achew22: to be honest, you probably dont want to be using xvmc either

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wagnerrp:

there has been debate whether or not that will be supported at all in 0.24

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achew22:

I'm getting him a nettop with ION for his birthday and thats in a few months. I bet that 0.24 wont be out before then

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wagnerrp:

planned for a couple months

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achew22:

Then I'll get it for him early :-)

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mzb:

RDV_Linux: looking better: http://openpaste.org/en/21628/

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achew22:

does anyone have any experience with ION? Are they able to decode 1080i/720p without too much trouble?

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[R]:

vdpau is made for 1080p

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achew22:

and all ION's support VDPAU?

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[R]:

the definition of ion is an nvidia 9400m

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[R]:

which does

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achew22:

Nifty

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clop2:

how is the power usage on those quad core amds?

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achew22:

is it worth looking at whatever AMD has that is in competition to the ION?

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wagnerrp:

AMD has no competition with the ION

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achew22:

Intel?

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iamlindoro:

ION *is* Intel

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achew22:

I thought ION was nvidia?

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wagnerrp:

ION = Atom + 9400M

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iamlindoro:

Ion is an Intel Atom processor and nVidia 9400

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achew22:

yeah but does intel have any competing IGPs?

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wagnerrp:

none of any real worth

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achew22:

So ION or bust then

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wagnerrp:

do they even have enough power to run the opengl painter?

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

achew22: some people say software decoding is better than hardware decoding

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sphery:

and AMD has explicitly stated that there's no reason to design a CPU that trades performance for power usage when you can get similar overall system power usage with a real CPU

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[R]:

a real cpu... THAT's what she said

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[R]:

HAHA

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clop2:

achew22, for a desktop it seems like an i3 is better than an atom... similar idle power usage but much better performance

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the issue is that it is more robust and provides better support

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[R]:

what crazy person would use an atom for a desktop

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achew22:

Okay, so if I got a Acer Aspire Revo (the $199 one on Newegg I can provide a link) since it has an ION (9400m) then I can expect it to be able to handle TV without too much trouble?

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[R]:

achew22: it'll do mpeg2 and h264

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sphery:

[R]: s/ for a desktop//

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU supports some forms of h264, but i know of half a dozen settings that will all break playback on VDPAU

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[R]:

sphery: haha

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wagnerrp:

im sure VC1 and mpeg2 have similar limitations

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[R]:

good thing i havnet had any probelms yet

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** [R] hugs his ION **

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achew22:

[R]: do you use HDMI off of your ion?

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wagnerrp:

too many reference frames, strange B structures, certain macroblocks... VDPAU will choke on them all

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[R]:

achew22: of course

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[R]:

achew22: what else would i use? vga?

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achew22:

that was a prefacing question for "do you use hdmi audio out?"

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[R]:

nope, i have an audio receiver that i use optical audio with

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[R]:

but i've heard of tons of peple using hdmi audio out with ion

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achew22:

with good success?

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[R]:

well if tons are using it...

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[R]:

why would they be using it if it dindt work?

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achew22:

[R]: people used framegrabbers for years

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achew22:

that doesn't mean it worked well

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wagnerrp:

in case you need it, none of the current onboard nvidia chips have the older analog TV outputs

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[R]:

how does audio not work well

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[R]:

it either works or it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

composite/svideo/component

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wagnerrp:

and neither do any of the GT series of discrete cards

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achew22:

does anyone dualboot into windows for netflix on their ION?

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wagnerrp:

does silverlight use hardware acceleration? or does it choke on the atom too?

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clop2:

achew22, no but i have used hulu on a hp mini 311 atom/ion netbook and it is fine

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achew22:

wagnerrp: http://www.silverlight.net/getstarted/silverlight3/ I think so

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wagnerrp:

Hulu != silverlight

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achew22:

I don't actually know what version of silverlight is the current one

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achew22:

but it says on there "Leveraging graphics processor unit (GPU) hardware acceleration, Silverlight experiences can now be delivered in true full-screen HD (720p+)."

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Beirdo:

mmm, fresh radishes :)

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sphery:

Beirdo: Interested in one of my old TODO's (an nuvexport one--and since I don't use nuvexport...) ? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/349812#349812 + http://wizarth.livejournal.com/22582.html , specifically, it seems that the error message "Found $count files, but no matching database entries" is backwards (and it's $count DB entries and no files).

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sphery:

A quick look at the code seems to say that's the case, but I'd appreciate someone who knows nuvexport better looking at it.

[22:57:27]

sphery:

In mythextras/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm , BTW.

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mcl0vin:

[R]: this is the receiver that i am struggling with , i am using the RCA to 3.5mm from cbl to PC[winTV-HVR-1600] then from PC Audio-out to the back of the Yamaha RX-V461 DVR RCA

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[R]:

mcl0vin: and you can play normal audio from the computer? and if you play a recording with like mplayer, does ti have sound?

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mcl0vin:

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Images/YEC/AV . . . _RX-V461.jpg

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mcl0vin:

yes

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mcl0vin:

but its all 1 channel

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[R]:

huh?

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bcgrown:

i have a script that launches mythfrontend when i push the power button on my remote, or kills the frontend if it's already running. sometimes, but not every time, it also kills mythwelcome. what am i doing wrong?

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bcgrown:

i noticed that the menu option uses "mythfrontend --service" is that the difference?

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bcgrown:

(XFCE menu option to launch MythTV|)

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend does not have a '--service' option

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bcgrown:

"Exec=mythfrontend --service" is what's being autostarted, that's what mythbuntu had by default

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wagnerrp:

thats because youre not actually running mythfrontend

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bcgrown:

oh?

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bcgrown:

what am i running?

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wagnerrp:

youre running some wrapper script they provide

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bcgrown:

aha.. i had no idea

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bcgrown:

i should try adding the service option to my script then

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what the service option does

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bcgrown:

me either, but i know that when i use it, everything works properly :)

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bcgrown:

or not... that gives me a mythwelcome process for every button push

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