Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, May 21st, 2010, 00:00 AST

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k-man:

Wicked: which country are you in if you don't mind me asking?

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Wicked:

im in the north east usa

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wagnerrp:

which is why he was asking about recording from comcast

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k-man:

oh, ok – missed that bit

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k-man:

just saw the hdhr bit

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k-man:

i love the hdhr

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k-man:

you know what would be cool, is a custom y splitter that would go into the two antenna sockets on the back of the hdhr

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k-man:

all nice and neat like

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k-man:

ooh.. it's on special in australia for only $249.95!

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wagnerrp:

just make a pair of custom fit coax cables, such that when both connected, they bend in the direction you want it to

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wagnerrp:

thats awfully expensive...

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k-man:

wagnerrp: that's australia for you

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wagnerrp:

its normally like half that over here

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k-man:

that is AUD btw

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k-man:

yeah... also ours is the DVB-t version – not sure if that makes any difference

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wagnerrp:

i know, but i didnt think the exchange rate was that off

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wagnerrp:

doubt it

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k-man:

but all IT stuff doubles in price as it arrives here

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k-man:

no, its not exchange rate related, its importers wanting to line their pockets related ;)

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wagnerrp:

well you are on the other side of the world

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k-man:

yeah, the price of living in paradise i guess ;)

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k-man:

what is the simplest way to move a recorded movie from recordings to mythvideo?

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k-man:

preferably through the front end only

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py

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Wicked:

sphery, doing that did not seem to help. mythtv is still seeing the wrong guide info for NECN....no idea why its always necn.

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Wicked:

and its also not getting guide info the channels where i have set xmltvids for

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Wicked:

yea...im back right where i was...infact im prob worse off...ive missed recordings and now none of the channels i had setup are listing data :|

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Wicked:

oh well...got 30 days before i need to put in for a return on this.....ill give it another day or two....

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks for the link – have you tried it yourself?

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k-man:

is there any sort of guide to settup up and configuring that script that you know of?

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iamlindoro:

He wrote it, ideally he's used it

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wagnerrp:

k-man: just set it up like any other user job

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wagnerrp:

run "mythvidexport.py --mformat='some string'" to set the output format

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wagnerrp:

'-p' to print the current format

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wagnerrp:

and '-f' for a list of supported variables

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wagnerrp:

should all be detailed if you run with '--help'

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks

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k-man:

is it in .23 by default?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but removed in trunk

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k-man:

removed from trunk? how come?

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wagnerrp:

most of contrib got shuffled off to the wiki

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k-man:

ok

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jamesd_:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hdtv.png

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k-man:

yeah, saw that a few days ago, its very true

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k-man:

anyone ever moved over from .debs of mythtv to built from svn mythtv?

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clever:

k-man: people do it all the time, i did it on my 2nd day of using myth

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clever:

the debs gave me 0.18

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k-man:

clever: any tricks, traps or issues i should be aware of?

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k-man:

oh.. i'm running the marillat .debs of .23 currently

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clever:

its just a normal upgrade, you just need to get it compiled

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clever:

once its compiled its pretty much the same as an apt-get update

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

so i can apt-get remove mythtv, then make install the newly compiled and it should just work?

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clever:

pretty much

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clever:

except that ubuntu may try to 'help' and remove the auto-startup scripts on you

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

ok, i'll watch for that

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k-man:

i recently reinstalled mythtv due to a system failure

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k-man:

i'm still not entirely happy with my new install

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k-man:

just don't get enough time to work on it

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EruditeHermit:

hey, when scanning ATSC channels, is it important to increase the timeout for the scan?

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[R]:

are you missing channels?

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EruditeHermit:

yes

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EruditeHermit:

and I also am getting timed out, no signal a lot

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[R]:

are you sure you pick them up?

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[R]:

are you sure you are scanning the correct channels?

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EruditeHermit:

well I don't know really

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EruditeHermit:

I get some of them

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EruditeHermit:

not all

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EruditeHermit:

and it takes really long to lock onto them

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EruditeHermit:

do I just need a better antenna?

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[R]:

possibly

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EruditeHermit:

do indoor antennas just not cut it?

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[R]:

depends on what kind of signal you're getting

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[R]:

where it is

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[R]:

and what kind of antenna it is

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EruditeHermit:

its near the window on a shelf

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[R]:

and what frequency its at

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[R]:

and what obstructions there are

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EruditeHermit:

no obstructions other than the walls of the house

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EruditeHermit:

and neighbouring houses outside

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[R]:

so not no obstructions

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EruditeHermit:

its got 2 telescopic antennas and one ring

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EruditeHermit:

and an amplifier

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EruditeHermit:

brb

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EruditeHermit:

[R], many of the channels that were found give errors when trying to view them

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EruditeHermit:

do you think its just a weak signal?

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[R]:

"give errors" you say?

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[R]:

there is a signal strenght meter somewhere

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[R]:

F7 or something in livetv

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EruditeHermit:

failed to initialize video output

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[R]:

what is the full backend and frontend logs

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EruditeHermit:

http://pastebin.com/MPy3qehU

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EruditeHermit:

is the frontened

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[R]:

#

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[R]:

2010-05–20 23:40:58.422 VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XvMC surface.

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[R]:

did you tell it to use xvmc?

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EruditeHermit:

nope

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EruditeHermit:

where is that set?

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[R]:

in the frontend settings

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[R]:

um

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[R]:

Playback Profiles

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[R]:

under "Playback"

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EruditeHermit:

ah that fixed it

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EruditeHermit:

hmm

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EruditeHermit:

seems to have low FPS

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EruditeHermit:

jerky

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[R]:

whats your cpu usage look like

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EruditeHermit:

20–30%

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EruditeHermit:

on many cores

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EruditeHermit:

hmm

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EruditeHermit:

so is standard ffmpeg the best when using an ATI GPU?

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[R]:

"best"?

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EruditeHermit:

best picture quality with lowest CPU usage etc

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[R]:

isn't htere like 2 options

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[R]:

and the help pretty much explains it all

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justinh:

check the output of mythfrontend -v playback

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justinh:

while playing stuff back, obviously

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justinh:

and yeah standard ffmpeg is generally the best choice for everybody these days

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justinh:

but YMMV

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justinh:

btw for best performance with ATI you may need to use ATI's own driver not the open source one

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justinh:

oh and you should probably try different video playback profiles. the default (cpu+ IIRC) isn't optimal for everybody

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justinh:

I wish there was an easier way to try out different profiles, deinterlace methods & video renderers but there isn't

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droid:

Hey hey

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Jay2k1:

a key binding would be nice

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[R]:

maybe like a test video

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[R]:

and it plays it with one setting

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[R]:

and asks you what you think

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[R]:

then plays it with another one

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justinh:

Jay2k1: what – like [Next profile] or something

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[R]:

then asks you what you think

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Jay2k1:

or some kind of "test mode" you can enter and then use arrows to cycle through profiles

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[R]:

then when its all done, does it all over

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droid:

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[R]:

kinda like "number 1, number 2" at the eye doctor

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Jay2k1:

justinh: yes

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justinh:

Jay2k1: not an awful idea :) Now code it all up & have a patch ready by this time tomorrow :-P

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Jay2k1:

uh

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Jay2k1:

sorry

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** justinh laughs **

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Jay2k1:

next week i'm on vacation, have to finish quite some stuff here

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Jay2k1:

this day's already scheduled :P

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justinh:

just joshing with you. I'd love to do loads of stuff but simply don't have any time

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Jay2k1:

i know, i don't even know python

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justinh:

speaking of which.. time to drive to work

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Jay2k1:

well, i once saw one in a zoo

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Jay2k1:

perhaps you have 30 more seconds

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Jay2k1:

just a question, while watching live tv, menu -> zoom, what's that foer

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Jay2k1:

is it supposed to actually zoom into the picture?

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Jay2k1:

i can only move the picture left/right/up/down (nvidia card)

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Jay2k1:

and now that HD works due to a new card with vdpau, i wanted to zoom in a bit but i just shifted the picture up heh

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[R]:

i don't think you can do zoom with vdpau

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Jay2k1:

well, before i had default cpu+ with onboard geforce 6150 or so

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Jay2k1:

same results

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simonckenyon:

did anyone notice that this logitech googletv box has an HDMI-in port?

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justinh:

yeah, but I strongly suspect it's not any kind of recorder

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justinh:

probably only does overlays on top of the input signal

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justinh:

I doubt Dish would want anybody to get in on recording their service -and Dish have been mentioned in all the press coverage AFAIK

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simonckenyon:

would that not entail doing HDCP to unscramble the signal to do the overlay?

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justinh:

more than likely yes

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justinh:

but that's a no-brainer for an HDMI receiver

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simonckenyon:

the box is running linux – so maybe there will be some drivers

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justinh:

I very much doubt that too

[04:36:03]

justinh:

the unfettling is done inside a chip.

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justinh:

the chip will use a key given to it by a processor – with google's ID

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simonckenyon:

well it might make a nice frontend

[04:37:03]

justinh:

assuming that's approved by the device on the other end it'll then get nice HD video squirted into it

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justinh:

the whole thing about HDCP is that it's not the host processor's job to do the encrippling. I mean STB CPUs aren't up to the job. As far from it as you can get, usually

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justinh:

what I got from the stuff I read about the GoogleTV thing is that it'll *control* a set top box to allow you to watch what it finds for you. Which compared to a PVR is completely lame :)

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justinh:

what this thing undoubtedly *is* though, is the first 'real' convergence device of any note

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justinh:

but at CES there was a lot of talk of 'TV 2.0' where people 'interact' while watching teevees. i.e. tweet, facebook etc while watching telly – and a good few devices are coming along to allow you to do that. even built into the tv itself. The whole idea leaves me cold

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justinh:

they're still hopelessly clinging onto the idea that live tv is where it's at :-\

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justinh:

although some outfits are touting watching on demand tv together with friends in other locations. No thanks to that either. I watch stuff when *I* want to watch stuff

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simonckenyon:

i was looking at the box from a mythtv perspective – can we use the hardware in any meaningful way as a) a frontend or b) a recording device for HD or c) both of the above

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justinh:

well, maybe. maybe not. maybe the OS will expose any HD decoding hardware. Or maybe not

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justinh:

as in HD playback decoding hardware

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justinh:

wonder how much of the 'HD NMT' stuff out there already uses broadcom gear. Not seen anything about dismantled/hacked NMTs yet

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simonckenyon:

NMT?

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justinh:

network media tank

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justinh:

is the boxee box available yet? that's ripe for the plucking. And a re-casing

[04:46:54]

justinh:

definitely a re-casing :D

[04:47:21]

justinh:

hey maybe the google tv thing uses a nvidia gpu

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justinh:

in which case, we already have drivers :)

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simonckenyon:

i have to agree – it looks interesting for about 30 seconds and then you go – and how do i stand it up straight

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simonckenyon:

the google box is intel only

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justinh:

maybe they were coming from a 'nothing is going on top of our box, our box is king of the castle' stance ;-)

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simonckenyon:

so we would need vaapi support in myth

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justinh:

that'll come

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simonckenyon:

bit like sky boxes

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justinh:

we need vaapi to actually work first

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simonckenyon:

well i cannot find any motherboards with nvidia chips (seeing as how they exited that market) so i need vaapi to work so i can use intel or more likely ati

[04:50:01]

** justinh laughs **

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justinh:

ati. don't anybody hold their breath now

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justinh:

prove me wrong, ati. come on!

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simonckenyon:

for integrated gpu it is the only realistic option – intel isn't and i'm not sure i want to go down the atom route

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justinh:

I thought there were motherboards with like GT220 onboard now

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justinh:

I still think there'll never be any true replacement for software decoding

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simonckenyon:

i was not aware of that – will check

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justinh:

hardware offload is nice but has disadvantages

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simonckenyon:

i suppose i had better go and do some work

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justinh:

my wife was telling me she was talking about mythtv at work yesterday – telling co-workers how it crashed on Monday & I had to rebuild it. Oh, so you lost all your recordings? We lose our recordings quite a lot from our Sky+ box, they said. Then wife took great pleasure in saying "oh no, every last recording was intact"

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Jay2k1:

heh

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Jay2k1:

such coworkers are worth a lot

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justinh:

I worry about that. One day they're going to want one too

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Jay2k1:

actually, you should look at it from another point of view

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Jay2k1:

my g/f wanted to buy a hdd recorder in the first place

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deegan:

justinh, start charging by the hour. :)

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Jay2k1:

and whenever something goes wrong with the myth box, i fear she might think "if only we had just bought the goddamn recorder and everything would've been fine"

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Jay2k1:

that way she knows to value it :)

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justinh:

my wife would lose arbitrary skipping, and timestretch.. and very intelligent scheduling

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Jay2k1:

but i have to say she admitted a few times that she loves all the features she got

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Jay2k1:

she can even listen to her favourite radio station again, i added webradio to the main menu

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justinh:

at first my wife told people "it's like rocket science & I don't understand a bit of it"

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Jay2k1:

(which is annoying when updates come)

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Jay2k1:

heh, i have the feeling sometimes the scheduling is too intelligent or something

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Jay2k1:

it's so complex that sometimes i lose it :x

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justinh:

wonder how whoever it is is getting along with mythmusic

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Jay2k1:

sometimes i think "hmm, why doesn't it record that show? oh, it's a re-airing/aired earlier." yes, it aired two days earlier too, but at that point myth said the same

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justinh:

I still need to configure audio on my frontend. passthru etc. god only knows what pulseaudio has done to the device names etc

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justinh:

and mythnetvision... haven't the faintest clue about that yet. Oh and SGs

[05:01:35]

justinh:

might aswell try the fanart bandwagon for a while too

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justinh:

get on the JAMU train

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Jay2k1:

simonckenyon there are boards with gforce 8100/8200/8300

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simonckenyon:

Jay2k1: i know – but they are getting thin on the ground and i want to see a clear way forward while still using amd cpus

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justinh:

awww Bbciplayer.py needs trunk

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Jay2k1:

i want to see a board with a decent gpu, sp/dif optical&coaxial, gb lan, hdmi+dvi+s-video, in mATX

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justinh:

s-video? lol

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justinh:

very much doubt you'll see that these days

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Jay2k1:

remember, i'm still on a crt tv

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justinh:

me too

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Jay2k1:

i was glad i could find a geforce 8400GS with a tv-out

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justinh:

optical/coax is no big deal

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Jay2k1:

and it was even under 30 bucks

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Jay2k1:

well, mostly they have a pin socket on the board, but rarely directly bui

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simonckenyon:

Jay2k1: http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2tv/circuit.html

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Jay2k1:

i have a vga > composite cable

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Jay2k1:

i once tried to make it work with windows on a hp laptop but i failed

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justinh:

man, the mythbuntu theme doe...

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Jay2k1:

i wonder if there's even a slightest chance under linux

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justinh:

(sn't half truncate loads of text)

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justinh:

updating site maps. this could...

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justinh:

please wai...

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justinh:

loadi...

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justinh:

arghh. piece of f...

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justinh:

I wanted to go with arclight but the text is too small for my wife. I like it & can read it without straining too much but I was outvoted

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Jay2k1:

nobody but me seems to prefer mythcenter :x

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justinh:

but mythbuntu, the one she favours most... still needs work IMHO

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Jay2k1:

small fonts are a problem on the few people still on crt

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justinh:

no, they're clear enough

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justinh:

they're really for bigger screens

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justinh:

like if you're closer to the screen you can read em

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justinh:

I dunno if it'd have been readable with the version of the intel driver I used to use on the frontend though

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Jay2k1:

crt's just don't have the sharpness

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justinh:

it looks like a veil has been lifted, now

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justinh:

not that it looked bad before, but now.. it's like woah

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Jay2k1:

heh, woah, i had that moment yesterday when i saw football (soccer) in HD the first time

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tassbur:

hi, i've just have a sugestion for the tunning.

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tassbur:

the devs can add a combo with diferents method of tunning

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tassbur:

default: like now, the same, with no difference

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tassbur:

kaffeine: using the method of tuning of kaffeine

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tassbur:

dvb-apps: using a-t-s-c/zap, method of tuning

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tassbur:

for the scan, it can use, s-c-t/scan on one hand

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tassbur:

and in the other hand it can use w_scan

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tassbur:

with this, when someone have a problem with a method it can use another one,always within myth.

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tassbur:

i think this will improve stabilitiy, usability, and it reduce efforts on livetv plugin, reusing things that just exits and do well job

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tassbur:

in fact, that methods is the normal way one test, prove, and in many cases see tv

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tassbur:

why don't use that inside myth to benefit all?

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tassbur:

well, what about with my sugestion?

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tassbur:

anybody has anything to say?

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tassbur:

is ok?

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tassbur:

are here some devs?

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justinh:

what about coding it yourself?

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justinh:

it's all very well coming here with half-baked ideas, but expecting other people to do your bidding is mightily unrealistic

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tassbur:

i'm not a coder

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tassbur:

i'm just a user making suggets

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justinh:

well,I can count on no fingers the number of user suggestions not backed up with code that have made it into mythtv

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tassbur:

what i can't understand is thar anybody say nothing about

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justinh:

oh plenty people whine about livetv, but so far nobody has come forward with code

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justinh:

*code* makes a difference in this project, because the developers have lives & their own motivations

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justinh:

I think that's completely fair

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justinh:

some don't, but that's their problem

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tassbur:

if i could, really, i'll do .......

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justinh:

we hear that a lot

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tassbur:

but i'm really new to code (i'm learning now)

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Jay2k1:

well, it's reasonable if users state their suggestions and ideas, can't see anything wrong with that, but i guess there's so much to be done already that suggestions and ideas stand pretty much at the very end of the line

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justinh:

but look at it from the perspective of somebody who develops code for a project who also has bills to pay, children to bring up...

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justinh:

and also has their own itches to scratch in the code

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bjd:

jeez justinh, he was just making a suggestion

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justinh:

yeah & I'm explaining why not to get disappointed if it doesn't happen

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tassbur:

no, i'm just expect some feedback, even if i say some really crazy, it's ok, no problem, but i want to know why ...

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tassbur:

that's alll

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justinh:

well, putting different ways of watching tv into the code will not be easy, and likely will not be welcome

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justinh:

better ways of scanning would always be welcomed, if there are real problems with the scanner

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justinh:

w_scan etc are crap & go about scanning the wrong way IMHO

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justinh:

what would improve mythtv's scanner is using *wizards* where we *know* stuff will be

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justinh:

scanning the whole band of frequencies takes too long

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tassbur:

well, last night, i was seeing livetv, when it become plenty of artifacts and glitches

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justinh:

but doing it that way will take a lot of effort, and a lot of input – but will be *totally* worthwhile

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justinh:

artifacts & glitches are problems with the signal not mythtv

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tassbur:

femon -H say me: BER 378764

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tassbur:

and so on

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justinh:

yup. bad signal

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justinh:

if your bit error rate is that high, nothing will improve playback

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tassbur:

i changed to kaffeine and i could see the tv perfect

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tassbur:

femon -H say me: BER 0

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tassbur:

all night

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justinh:

that doesn't sound very likely

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tassbur:

in the say channel

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tassbur:

with the same installation

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justinh:

still doesn't sound likely

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justinh:

myth won't be doing anything kaffeine doesn't do, and vice-versa

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justinh:

unless of course the scanner has put incorrect frequency information into the database & the tuner is having problems keeping alock

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tassbur:

with dvb-apps, the same

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tassbur:

perfect, with no BER error

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justinh:

that can happen sometimes, but if the devs don't hear about it they cannot fix it

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tassbur:

this is because i make that suggest

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justinh:

so use a different app to scan & compare the frequencies with those in dtv_multiplex

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tassbur:

they are the same

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tassbur:

i check that

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justinh:

so it must be something else wrong then

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justinh:

maybe tuning parameters

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justinh:

e.g. using auto when it could be using something else

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justinh:

or maybe kaffeine uses auto when mythtv does something else

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justinh:

see, without further information we're all just shooting into the dark

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tassbur:

what do you want?

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justinh:

I can't debug the problem for you

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Cool_C:

hello folks. when editing meta data there is an option for unique player comand for the file. is there a way (any variable) to specify the default command PLUS whatever i write there. so, i want to enter for example, $defaultcommand -aid 1

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tassbur:

no

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tassbur:

i say, what logs do you need?

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justinh:

you need to look at more parameters & see what, if anything, mythtv is doing differently

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tassbur:

what can i see?

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justinh:

well, femon can report what parameters are used I think

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justinh:

Cool_C: no, and external players are going byebyes soon

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tassbur:

femon says signal strengh: the same / BER / UNC / CARRIER LOCK

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Cool_C:

hmm, better not upgrade then :)

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Cool_C:

the internal suck compared to mplayer

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justinh:

why?

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justinh:

if you have problems with the internal player REPORT THEM

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justinh:

problems which don't get reported DO NOT GET FIXED :)

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Cool_C:

well, seem slower, with less options and cant handle as many file formats

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Cool_C:

i may be outdated in my experience though, havent tried it in a while

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bjd:

I find the internal player more than adequate

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justinh:

internal player can handle as many formats as ffmpeg can at the time it was last synced into mythtv's code

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GreyFoxx:

the internal player rocks and it's nice having a consistant interface/osd/remote commands

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justinh:

which is a *lot* of formats

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justinh:

and if it's slower than some other player maybe you have it configured wrongly

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justinh:

:)

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Cool_C:

for example, with the internal player, can i specify different audio channel / language when a file has multiple?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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justinh:

it'll always try to play one labelled with the language preference you've set but you can ask it to use a different one

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GreyFoxx:

Just bring up the onscreen menu, and select the audio track you want

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Cool_C:

ok

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justinh:

tassbur: I think looking at the other parameters in dtv_multiplex might help

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justinh:

try to compare those with whatever other apps use – not just the frequency

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tassbur:

that's what i didn't see, the other parameter of the table, i assume it would be fine

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beadle:

certain shows, like FOX's Fringe, have inserted frames that seem to mess up "All Commercial Skip Methods" plus "Strict Commercial Detection". I unclicked Strict and re-ran the remove_commercials script and the result file is much larger but haven't reviewed it yet. Are there any other suggestions to handle this?

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justinh:

tassbur: when I said mythtv isn't doing anything differently to other apps I meant with regard to playback. It seems there *may* be differences in how mythtv is tuning the dvb streams – and that's why you should look at the tuning parameters in dtv_multiplex

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justinh:

tassbur: by the way did you scan entirely in mythtv or did you import a .conf file from a different program?

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tassbur:

justinh: if i scan enterely i didn't find any channel

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tassbur:

later i import a channels.conf

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tassbur:

and i don't have epg

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tassbur:

so later i would be back to scan, but at this time, multiplex by multiplex

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tassbur:

well, in that case i have epg but i can't see anything

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tassbur:

and the last was. scan with one card (hvr-4000), dvb-t

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tassbur:

and assing the same source to the other card (td-500), to the 2 adapters

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tassbur:

the first time i did this, works fantastic

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tassbur:

but, an update, and all go to.......

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tassbur:

and when i did the same procedure, nothing change at all

[08:16:57]

tassbur:

i didn't see anything

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tassbur:

kaffeine was, simply, one prove for someone desperate

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justinh:

what sort of dvb is this btw? dvb-t? dvb-s?

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tassbur:

dvb-t

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justinh:

wha? autowidth never made it?

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justinh:

duh yeah it did.

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johnnyj:

i tried to find this on the list but I didn't see it – when running the FE on my MBE I see this in the logs: Failed to create OpenGL painter. Check your OpenGL installation.

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justinh:

probably haven't got the right video card driver installed

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johnnyj:

im using nvidia's 195.36.24 and i've got nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8300] (rev a2)

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johnnyj:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-195.36.24.html indicates it's supported

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johnnyj:

hmm...

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justinh:

what you've installed & what you're *using* can be 2 entirely different things

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tassbur:

justinh: thanks for your advices, see you later

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wagnerrp:

anyone here know their way around makefiles?

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JEDIDIAH__:

does mythtv pay any attention to return codes from the channel change script?

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wagnerrp:

only for success or failure

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JEDIDIAH__:

well that would be the idea

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JEDIDIAH__:

nonzero for failure?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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JEDIDIAH__:

thx

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wagnerrp:

is this guy just trying to stir up trouble? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/289418.html

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justinh:

and slowly but surely, he starts to understand <minsize>

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justinh:

rats! I DID lose a recording in the crash after all

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justinh:

but it was the 3D episode of Chuck. lol

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wagnerrp:

in sweet glorious blurr-o-vision

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justinh:

Chuck vs the anaglyphs

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Essobi:

that doens't sound good

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justinh:

I'd already watched/deleted it 1st time around. it was in-progress when the power went out

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justinh:

oh man, mythui is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

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wagnerrp:

ui? or osd?

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justinh:

it was funny last night when I pressed info to bring up the menu to delete a show & didn't get the menu

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justinh:

I was like "whut? who the f..." then I remembered

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wagnerrp:

thats right... you just recently upgraded from 0.21

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justinh:

yeah who the ...ahem. me, that's who. lol

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justinh:

wagnerrp: not seen mythui osd yet

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justinh:

I've enough to keep me busy getting 'concept' to a state where we can use it at home before I play with trunk again

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wagnerrp:

didnt you write some crap for the new UI? i didnt understand how you had never seen it

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justinh:

oh I'd seen it, but there was stuff I wanted but never got working in my code bashing

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wagnerrp:

all the opengl animation stuff, that wasnt done on trunk/0.22?

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

and it's still waiting in the wings

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justinh:

and it's not animation as such... it was only beginning to flesh out painter effects

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wagnerrp:

this is just the first time youre actually sitting down to use the new UI?

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justinh:

not just use it. theme it :)

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wagnerrp:

ah! theres the difference

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justinh:

I like arclight but my wife doesn't

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justinh:

and mythbuntu c... t... of...

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justinh:

the rest either have horizontal menus my wife hates, or else doesn't like the colour of

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justinh:

so I figure rather than spend time customising something, pick up where I left off with 'concept' – which was kind of my plan all along – I just needed motivation. and nothing motivates like not having something you want

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justinh:

and since the <minsize> tag came along I can take it more or less where I always wanted to go with it

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justinh:

I might even find time to patch mythbuntu's theme to make netvision-ui.xml wide aspect proper. seems all bunched up

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: forget an 'h' there?

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Dibblah:

I can has slidey animation? ;) ;)

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justinh:

Dibblah: I wishes

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GreyFoxx:

Sure you can .... just have it slide within a long image with plenty of transparent space :)

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GreyFoxx:

same static image size and location, it just looks like it slid over :)

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mcl0vin:

good morning folks

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mcl0vin:

i have a quick question

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mcl0vin:

my audio is all at left channel , i tried 2 different out put in my PC

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mcl0vin:

the way i am getting audio is from STB RCA to 3.5mm going into my capture card Audio in ...any help please

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wagnerrp:

push the 3.5mm plug in all the way

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Beirdo:

mcl0vin: you sure your capture card has stereo input?

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Beirdo:

if so, you sure you have a stereo plug hooked up to it...

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: its all the way in

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mcl0vin:

Beirdo: i will have to check on that ...it is a Hauppage WintTV-HVR-1600

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Beirdo:

OK, it should be stereo, I'd think. some older ones only had mono, but that's recent hardware

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Beirdo:

but check the plug itself just in case :)

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Beirdo:

other than that, it might be a playback mixer thing (balance all the way to the left, perhaps?)

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mcl0vin:

let me check

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Beirdo:

mmm, coffee

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: my new TV is in Seattle according to Fedex :) YAY

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mcl0vin:

btw my kido love the fact that he can watch clifford the big red dog over and over again

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mcl0vin:

^^thanks to mythtv :)

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Beirdo:

shipped overnight from Phoenix

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Beirdo:

Amazon++

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mcl0vin:

it was the cable

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mcl0vin:

good thing i had another one

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mcl0vin:

okay doky i have 2 more questions and i think my box will be working at rate of 100%

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mcl0vin:

:)

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Beirdo:

cool

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mcl0vin:

i have mounted a new 80GB HDD to my mythbox at '/storage', i would like to use it for LiveTV, and Recordings...i don't know how to do that! can someone please show me how?

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Beirdo:

sometimes it's the most "obvious" things

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mcl0vin:

so do i just 'mkdir /storage/livetv' and use that path?

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mcl0vin:

or link '/var/lib/mythv/livetv' to /storage/livetv

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Beirdo:

well, I gotta head to work. I'll let wagnerrp help :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

let me help? i was in the car driving

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: you can record things where ever you want

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wagnerrp:

you just have to tell mythtv where that path is

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mcl0vin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

of course IMHO, people how store everything and the kitchen sink in /var are _wrong_

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mcl0vin:

why?

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wagnerrp:

because /var is for variable files, stuff thats supposed to change continually during operation of the system

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wagnerrp:

recordings are recorded once, and then left there indefinitely

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wagnerrp:

there used to be a time when you only allocated a couple hundred MB to var

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wagnerrp:

and if you ever exceeded that, its because you didnt set up logrotate

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GreyFoxx:

yeah. I don't know where the current trend of storing everything, sql data, general storage and so on in /var came from

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GreyFoxx:

use to be pid runs, pipes, dhcp leaes files, lock files and logs. nothing elese

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iamlindoro:

/home was already filled up with porn

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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johnnyj:

was it porn or .porn ?

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johnnyj:

i prefer the term: .stuff

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wagnerrp:

because its hidden?

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johnnyj:

i'm just being silly

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johnnyj:

but yeah

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: ++ . I hate that distros put too much junk in /var that shouldn't be there.

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justinh:

muhhhhh /var is variable data, yada yada. I don't go for that either

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justinh:

anyway I don't want my database or config stuff to be variable. I want it to stay put ;)

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justinh:

sigh. I have about a zillion popups to customise

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justinh:

thank $deity for inheritance eh

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wagnerrp:

so... jedidiah already has a user account on the wiki, so this 'jedidia13' is not him

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wagnerrp:

i give 3:1 for spam from that in the next 4 hours

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mcl0vin:

how do i get mythtv control my STB

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johnnyj:

what's your STB ?

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johnnyj:

i use Firewire on my Motorola DCX-3200

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johnnyj:

others use an IR blaster – either way call an external channel change script

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** justinh uses mythtelekenesis **

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johnnyj:

justinh – i was using that, but it's no longer supported on my older hardware

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iamlindoro:

oh, look, me is back

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** johnnyj is reading a history of C++ **

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J-e-f-f-A:

HA! /me just saw Google's home page today... ;-) Let it sit there without doing anything for about 30 seconds and see/listen what happens... neat!

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Jay2k1:

yeah, it's great

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J-e-f-f-A:

Makes me want to put that MAME box together this weekend... ;-)

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johnnyj:

a friend of mine has the giant controller and I've an old tube tv – we've been threatening it for a while

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: Hehehe... I recently acquired a full-size arcade cabinet (empty) for free, and a 22" CRT monitor free also... And over the last 8 years or so I've occasionally ordered Joysticks, Buttons, Track Balls, etc... Just need to 'assemble' it all into a working unit... ;-)

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johnnyj:

we're in an Apt and my other half was adamant that this beast NOT be coming to our home

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: :-(

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sphery:

heh, "I am curious what everyones take on Google TV is. To me it sounds very intriguing especially the part about getting rid of the EPG completely and relying solely on searching for channels and shows." Yeah, because it's easy to search for things that you don't know about.

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justinh:

my take is that it's a google ui to overlay crap on top of live video from a set top box

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

how else can they charge for ads on TV

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justinh:

quick Q about MNV.. is it all like other plugins – per frontend scripts & so on?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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justinh:

I mean if I scanned for stuff on my backend's frontend today will it show up on the frontend?

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justinh:

another machine, I mean

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iamlindoro:

Shared subscriptions only need to be scanned on a single machine

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iamlindoro:

the tree items are not identified by hot, only by source name

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iamlindoro:

er by host

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iamlindoro:

so if you subscribe to the same feeds on both, only one will need to update them

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justinh:

cool. answers my question very well ta :)

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

took me too long to check that the tables had no 'hostname' field...

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wagnerrp:

probably helps to have written them

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iamlindoro:

true

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iamlindoro:

ideally by .24 tree updating will be done in a mythfilldatabase-esque manner, though the exact mechanism for that remains indeterminate

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iamlindoro:

or rather, up for a currently raging debate

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I love duhmocracy

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justinh:

CBA to get samba working yet so just ftp'd some images to my webspace to put on the linux machine to try theme ideas

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** iamlindoro grumbles and does his wiki cleanup on aisle three **

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** wagnerrp goes back to writing an automated tester for the bindings **

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iamlindoro:

ooh, regression testing? I like

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** wagnerrp is a dirty coder with lots of regressions **

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iamlindoro:

We all are

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johnnyj:

since it's almost on topic – do any of y'all read any C++ blogs of note?

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ivor_:

johnnyj: nothing specific but read this today: http://blog.think-async.com/2010/04/bind-illustrated.html

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hume:

hello.... I have a newly installed mythfrontend that has trobles starting – ubuntu 10.04. according to the log, it tries to mount /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, /dev/sdd... why does it do this? there is only /dev/sda on the frontend....? can I stop this?

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iamlindoro:

hume: That doesn't sound like anything to do with myth? Which log are you reading? Sounds like a distro issue

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hume:

mythtv mythfrontend.log. it's an ubuntu in which i installed the mythbuntu-desktop packabe

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hume:

package

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hume:

i mean /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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iamlindoro:

please pastebin the frontend logs

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iamlindoro:

We'll also need to know what "troubles starting" means

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iamlindoro:

crashes? hangs? Smoke?

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hume:

no, it has troubles starting mythtv..:) I try to start myth from the menu, and it takes like 4 minutes before it starts...

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iamlindoro:

Need logs

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hume:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/wHa081x9

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iamlindoro:

No, not just a few lines of logs, the whole thing

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markl:

hmm maybe it is slow connecting to mysql; my system has a similar (but luckily shorter) issue

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iamlindoro:

Doubtful

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iamlindoro:

the timestamps are increasing by 30 seconds on the mount

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iamlindoro:

I already have a workaround for him, just want complete logs first

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hume:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/7AteCH3C

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iamlindoro:

hume: Turn off media monitoring in Utilities/Setup->Setup->General

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hume:

ok

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iamlindoro:

After that, having nothing to do with the delayed startup, you should really enable mythtv package auto-builds with the package here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

select ".23" when asked

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iamlindoro:

Because the packages that came with 10.04 are not actually .23, they are a very very old prerelease

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iamlindoro:

and many critical bugs have since been fixed

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hume:

ok

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hume:

ehm.... seems i did something stupid now.....I choose another theme, the A- something... and now mythtv crashes on startup. how can I manually change theme from outside of mythtv? in the database or in a file on frontend?

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sphery:

hume: mythfrontend -O Theme=MythCenter

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hume:

ok

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sphery:

hume: then go to Utilties/Setup|Setup|Appearance and change it to whatever you want (even MythCenter), then Next through to Finish

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sphery:

hume: then restart mythfrontend

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sphery:

last step being critical

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sphery:

You won't see a change until you restart since you're using a session override

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hume:

ok

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lapion:

Sphery the problem gets solved by simply turning off Browse mode. Maybe someone can try to veryify this by turning on the option ?

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iamlindoro:

It's probably not related to the theme, but to one of the critical bugs I was referring to

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lapion:

sphery, I was talking about the keyboard freeze when editing channel, after switching channel bug

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sphery:

lapion: right, adding that info to the ticket would make it much easier for someone to debug

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justinh:

oh, it SO is caipirihna time

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Moot with -osd merge coming

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** wagnerrp is glad he decided _not_ to stick with trunk this cycle **

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sphery:

unless the issue is not related to the OSD

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justinh:

I was tempted, just to pick up iplayer support in MNV

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jheizer:

Hey all

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jheizer:

Does anyone have a HVR-950 usb stick tuner?

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wagnerrp:

950 or 950Q?

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wagnerrp:

(i dont have either, but theyre very different)

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jheizer:

newegg says 950, but pics say 950q so not sure

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jheizer:

was interested if the remote receiver was built in or a separate receiver

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jheizer:

can't imaging it is RF, but don't see a receiver on the tuner itself unless the cable on the left here is it

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jheizer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.as . . . %20Interface

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jheizer:

just looks like a capped extension cable to me though

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jheizer:

Going to be an upgrade for my Dad's htpc thats just does hulu right now

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jheizer:

he already has a remote and a mini KB, and I need another IR receiver

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jheizer:

has a mini itx board so not sure it is has a single pci or pcie

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jheizer:

why going usb

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justinh:

eew tearing video in MNV :-(

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justinh:

stupid flash. ARGHHH I HATE FLASH!

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RDV_Linux:

justdave: Are you clicking on the full screen flash player button?

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justinh:

clicking?

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: Yes some videos start as Web pages and you can click in the flash window to get full screen rather than full browser window. The "full screen" playback often tears while full browser is ok to very good.

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: The tearing is often site/connection dependant.

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justinh:

nah this is flash sucking on intel video

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wagnerrp:

so when you find a bug is still occuring, obviously you have to update each and every duplicate ticket with identical information

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justinh:

RDV_Linux: on intel video hardware, almost without exception flash video tears when played by adobe software

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Is that ^^^ a new rule?

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: To bad.

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justinh:

they know about it apparently. they just don't seem to care much

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: referring to recent trac traffic

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mcl0vin:

[ 13.636653] tveeprom 1–0050: has no radio, has IR receiver, has IR transmitter

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mcl0vin:

i have compiled lric_0.8.6 and 0.8.7perl

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mcl0vin:

but still can't get my remote to work

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olskolirc:

I had a really cool page from mythtv.org on how to set it up from beginning to end

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olskolirc:

can someone find that for me please?

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olskolirc:

I had a really cool page from mythtv.org on how to set it up from beginning to end

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wagnerrp:

why do people never check the archives before posting...

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wagnerrp:

seriously, three completely separate threads about the google tv?

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wagnerrp:

do people think theyre the first person to have seen the device?

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wagnerrp:

'hey guys, look at this insider information i got from google'

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wagnerrp:

ive got archives from this last poster all the way back to march of last year, its not like he just signed up for the mailing list to post that

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iamlindoro:

I like the guy who "broke the news" about VP8

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iamlindoro:

very, very vaguely

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iamlindoro:

http://i.imgur.com/4AFTe.png

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iamlindoro:

Someone should respond with that ;)

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, the person using x264 is an idoit

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wagnerrp:

profile 4.0? wtf is that?

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iamlindoro:

It's one of the AVCHD profiles

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wagnerrp:

profiles are named, levels are numbered

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wagnerrp:

unless they decided to redefine that whole system for avchd

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt put it past them to do so

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iamlindoro:

Well, I understood it to mean High, Level 4.0

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wagnerrp:

i dont think theres any reason to use more than 3.1 for DVD content, certainly not 4.0

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wagnerrp:

arent most hardware decoders only designed for up to 4.1?

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iamlindoro:

Well, nothing said DVD, and it was a joke ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i get it

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wagnerrp:

well by 'dvd content', i mean anything compressed to 480p or less

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wagnerrp:

i recommended setting up Squid to the aussie complaining that his kids kept re-watching the same youtube videos and blowing his download cap

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wagnerrp:

although i wonder if that would technically violate ToS

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wagnerrp:

since youre downloading the content with something other than their official flash player

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wagnerrp:

and storing it for long term use

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wilberfan:

Jeez, I just did a dist-upgrade on my debian testing install...and it uninstalled a buttload mythtv stuff (probably all of it), and now it won't re-install it because of myriad "unmet dependencies". Anyone else run into this??

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wilberfan:

[muttering]

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wilberfan:

wonder why the repo(s) have 0.22 AND 0.23 stuff listed...?

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dashcloud:

hi, I just got a 40 in LCD and the SD channels show up distorted- the people look too sharp; someone else it looked like a soap opera picture- what is this effect and is there any way to lessen it?

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beata:

when you scan for metadata on mythvideo, how does it determine if its looking at a movie or a tv show?

[21:26:19]

iamlindoro:

if (Season == 0 && Episode == 0) movie = true;

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beata:

makes sense

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beata:

still cant get my audio to work correctly though. I get sound but only out of 2 speakers. using spdif

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mcl0vin:

hmmm this is the 3rd time my mythtv box freez

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mcl0vin:

the HDD LED stay steady and i am forced to power it down then back up

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beata:

another stupid question in mythvideo i have series/season1 series/season2 if for whatever reason there is no metadata for season1, but there is metadata for season2. if im in the base mythvideo view i get no coverart for the series folder. is that correct behaviour?

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wagnerrp:

series and seasons do not have metadata, only individual videos

[21:59:49]

wagnerrp:

based off a couple criteria, mythvideo will do an image hunt for images for the seasons and servers among their child videos

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wagnerrp:

s/servers/series/

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beata:

yea sorry i ment series/season1/files.avi have metadata

[22:00:34]

wagnerrp:

the parent directory will pull images from any children files

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beata:

thats what i thought it should do

[22:01:00]

wagnerrp:

the grandparent directory will pull images from any grandchildren files, if the name of that directory is the same as the title of the grandchild files

[22:01:53]

wagnerrp:

in order for the title of a video to be properly set to work as such, it must have been scanned after upgrading to 0.22

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beata:

so for example I have Castle with 2 subfolders season1 and season2. Season2 videos have metadata but season1 does not. At the root level when looking at Castle, i get no cover. inside the castle folder i see coverart for Season2 and nothing for season1 (as expected). But i did except for the parent Castle folder to get the Season2 cover

[22:04:26]

wagnerrp:

are the videos titled 'Castle' or 'Castle (2009)'?

[22:04:48]

wagnerrp:

note that is the title in the database, not anything related to the filename

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beata:

i just looked in the db it is castle 2009

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beata:

so if I renamed the folder to Castle 2009, it would work as expected

[22:05:18]

beata:

interesting

[22:05:29]

wagnerrp:

or you retitle all your videos to 'Castle'

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beata:

inside the db right

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beata:

wagnerrp thanks for all the info btw

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

get 17 channels OTA with a clothes hanger

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Beirdo:

I think I'll be buying ATSC tuners

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Beirdo:

but Fox is being craptacular

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wagnerrp:

beata: yes, this could be done with a single sql command 'update videometadata set title="Castle" where title="Castle (2009)";'

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wagnerrp:

but as always, take the necessary precautions when tinkering with the database

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wagnerrp:

ive got a spider bite... or something... on the back side of my arm

[22:21:58]

wagnerrp:

swollen to about the side of a lemon

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wagnerrp:

size

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Beirdo:

gack

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ThisOtherGuy:

Hi all

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ThisOtherGuy:

can anyone help me resolve this: deleteSelected("America's Next Top Model":"Chubby Bunny") — failed delete candidate: 0 in use by freshertv (Unknown)

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ThisOtherGuy:

I don't know why it thinks it's in use

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Beirdo:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

and... you get that from mythtv?

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ThisOtherGuy:

yup

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** wagnerrp has never seen that before **

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wagnerrp:

what program?

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ThisOtherGuy:

trying to delete something via the frontend

[22:25:02]

ThisOtherGuy:

immediately after pressing the delete button

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ThisOtherGuy:

in pbb

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ThisOtherGuy:

hmmm – pressing play and then deleting while playing seemed to work

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Beirdo:

pbbbbbbtt!

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beata:

wagnerrp: was the spider radio active?

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ThisOtherGuy:

cool – thanks all!

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ThisOtherGuy:

gn

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mcl0vin:

Beirdo: you are back

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mcl0vin:

:)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

anyone have a PVR-250 nearby?

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wagnerrp:

150 good enough?

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Beirdo:

just trying to remember exactly what analog inputs are on the backplate... mine are en-route from PR, and I'm ordering new cables from monoprice :)

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Beirdo:

probably

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wilberfan:

anyone using mythtv with debian? I'm having dependency problemos...

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Beirdo:

in particular... the audio... it's 1/8" stereo, not RCA, right?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: http://www.google.com/images?q=PVR-250

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Beirdo:

now why the heck didn't I think of that?

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

the vanilla ones are 1/8", the MCE ones are RCA

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Beirdo:

blargh

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wagnerrp:

at least thats how it is with the 150s/1600s/1800s/etc...

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Beirdo:

I forget which ones I have :)

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Beirdo:

I guess I'll order cables AFTER the tuners are here... at least those cables

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wagnerrp:

you can always pick them up for $5 at the local radio shack

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Beirdo:

or even less from monoprice if I can wait a few days

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wagnerrp:

there gets a point where convenience outweighs cheapness

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Beirdo:

for sure

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wagnerrp:

besides, you dont just have boxes of that stuff laying around?

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Beirdo:

sure

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Beirdo:

somewhere between here and PR

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

'what kind of sick bit-- takes all the stereo cables???'

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Beirdo:

nahhh.

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** wagnerrp has to go watch True Lies now **

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Beirdo:

OK, buying one HDMI cable for the fitpc... and 2 sets of component...

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrlSuv9uNk

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Beirdo:

I will be needing either very long coax or to run multiple backends

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wagnerrp:

antenna on one end, cable on the other?

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Beirdo:

nah, directv receiver on one end, jack on the other ;)

[23:03:05]

Beirdo:

the building has distributed DirecTV, but I'm fairly sure it will only work one per jack without me buying switching gear, but even then I need 2 jacks active

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Beirdo:

only one drop per room is the problem

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wagnerrp:

not sure how you would have distributed dtv, unless they run their own cable headend

[23:04:05]

wagnerrp:

unless they really just have that much hardware mounted on the roof

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Beirdo:

they have a massive distribution box (for MDU)

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Beirdo:

two dishes...

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wagnerrp:

doesnt each receiver need its own LNB?

[23:04:36]

Beirdo:

then switch all apartments to one or the other based on requested polarity

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

you just can only capture one polarity at a time?

[23:05:02]

wagnerrp:

so you need one for each polarity for each satellite?

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Beirdo:

it needs that as there's two polarities, and switching's done by DC voltage on the feed line

[23:05:18]

Beirdo:

you can only receive one at a time per receiver

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Beirdo:

so at the other end of each drop, it just needs to switch that drop to a dish that's always at that polarit

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Beirdo:

y

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Beirdo:

I used to run a very small version of that at home ;)

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Beirdo:

but here it distributes to like 100 or so apartments

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Beirdo:

or maybe more, I dunno :)

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Beirdo:

I have 3 drops in a 2BR apt

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Beirdo:

so likely 500–1000 drops coming from 2 dishes

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Beirdo:

I wanna go see the distribution room, but that will never happen, I'm sure

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Beirdo:

so now I have to determine HOW I wanna cable it :)

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Beirdo:

need to consider an ATSC antenna too

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wagnerrp:

hehe... iphone users have the blood of poor chinese workers in their hands

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Beirdo:

like we didn't know that

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wagnerrp:

its youre fault theyre dead

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Beirdo:

no, it's Apple's fault

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wagnerrp:

youve taken their soul, and they have no choice but to sacrifice themselves by jumping off buildings

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Beirdo:

I woulda bought it regardless

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wagnerrp:

the amazing thing is that all these suicides getting publicity, and the per capita rate is actually LOWER than the national average

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Well, and users of probably hundreds of other consumer electronics items-- it's not JUST iPhones made in that factory

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iamlindoro:

just the one the media decided to latch on to

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wagnerrp:

well yeah, they dont have 350k users dedicated solely to making iphones

[23:16:10]

iamlindoro:

Odds are fairly good most of the droid phones are made in that same factory

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wagnerrp:

crack open your computer, and i guarantee theres at least half a dozen foxconn parts in there

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iamlindoro:

Kind of what I was getting at

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iamlindoro:

there's been no indication that this worker even assembled iphones

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Beirdo:

jeez, all electronics uses foxconn nearly

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Beirdo:

so... how many ATSC drops should I plan on, I wonder :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why the media even latched onto this one

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Beirdo:

because they are bored of oil spills

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wagnerrp:

i mean the national average suicide rate in china is 20–25/yr/100k

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Beirdo:

bet it's a lot higher in Seattle

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wagnerrp:

over 300k people housed in the dormitories of that plant, and what... 8? in the past several months?

[23:25:35]

wagnerrp:

heh... the US has a lower rate than Canada

[23:25:57]

wagnerrp:

we kill you before you get the chance to commit suicide

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Beirdo:

well, and Canada winters are more depressing

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Beirdo:

meh, I'll order the cables later

[23:32:49]

Beirdo:

or at least some of em

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Beirdo:

heh

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beata:

hmm thetvdb dosent have this show

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iamlindoro:

Good news!

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beata:

well not in english anyways

[23:55:45]

iamlindoro:

That means you get to add it!

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iamlindoro:

And get a warm feeling from having helped the community

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wagnerrp:

horray for contributing

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beata:

ha

[23:56:09]

wagnerrp:

what show?

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beata:

Seven_Days

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iamlindoro:

Don't laugh, I'm 100% serious

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iamlindoro:

the stuff doesn't get put up there by itself, it relies on us to do it

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wagnerrp:

they have it... just not in english, oddly

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beata:

yea

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wagnerrp:

i caught some reruns of that on spike a while back

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wagnerrp:

but i never remember it actually being on the air

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beata:

its a decent show

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