Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, May 22nd, 2010, 00:01 AST

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beata:

and haray for regex

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Beirdo:

raw garlic can be quite overpoweringly spicy :)

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Beirdo:

but oh so good

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beata:

hmm running jamu.py on a myth snapshot of today i get the following error after jamu finishes. Exception SystemError: 'error return without exception set' in <bound method BEConnection.__del__ of <MythTV.MythBase.BEConnection object at 0x1334ed0>> ignored

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wagnerrp:

harmless bug with the object destructor, can be ignored

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beata:

roger

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beata:

just makin sure im not spinning my wheels, if i have spdif out to a av system. I should be able to get 5.1 out right?

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Beirdo:

OK this looks retarded

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wagnerrp:

only compressed in AC3 or DTS

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beata:

when i enable either or or both, i only here loud static

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Beirdo:

watching Fox... in HD... a commercial went to 4:3 with a letterboxed 16:9 commercial in it

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Beirdo:

way to go

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Beirdo:

so I had a black framed commercial

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beata:

wagnerrp, from what i can see my av recv should support ac3 or dts

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[R]:

Beirdo: those are the bgest

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Wicked:

hmmm...i added a new user job.....using the mythlink.pl...is there a way to enable that user job on all rules? will be very tedious to have to enable this job for every single recording rule

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iamlindoro:

Why not just cron it for 5 and 35 after the hour? Or assign it to the "recording started" event in the event manager?

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Wicked:

both very good ideas which i had not thought of.....ill have to look into the even manager

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Wicked:

would prefer that route over a external cronjob :)

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

i cant seem to find the docs for that

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Wicked:

is there any kinda wiki entry for the event manager?

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Wicked:

im not fiding it via google or the wiki search

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events

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Wicked:

ah. the wiki search box...i searched for "event" and did not see that

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beata:

hmm how does mythweb work with multiple storage groups for video?

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Beirdo:

does it?

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wagnerrp:

theres only the one storage group, 'Videos'

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Beirdo:

mmm

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beata:

multiple directories for Videos

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wagnerrp:

mythweb only works with local content

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Beirdo:

so nice to have a TV again

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23, it will use the Videos storage group, but only for folders defined on that host

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beata:

aye i have 2 folders defined for that group, but i have to manually create a symbolic link in mythweb/data to one of my folders defined in videos

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont know why that is

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beata:

so when I click on a video not in that folder i get a 404

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt be, as the code no longer needs access from those folders

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beata:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

the mythvideo storage group support in mythweb needs some work

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beata:

got ya not a big deal for me anyways was just curious

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Wicked:

ok so i added a new system even for the recording started...do i need to enable anything or will it just start doing its thing?

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Beirdo:

what's the preferred ATSC tuner these days (preferrably dual)

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Beirdo:

HVR-2250?

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justinh:

dunno :)

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justinh:

eep. not even 8.15am & I'm theming.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

happy Saturday

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Beirdo:

just past midnight here

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justinh:

http://imagebin.ca/img/8EettR.jpg&n bsp;– needs new icons & crap

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Beirdo:

crap is overrated :)

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Beirdo:

yer off to a good start

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Beirdo:

although you may want a smidge more clearance above the preview :)

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justinh:

aye

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Beirdo:

definitely better than I'd be able to do

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justinh:

really needed the variable button size stuff to pull the group list off as I always wanted to :)

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justinh:

I think I *am* going to support all the fanart things but not on the main pages.. like put em on info sections instead

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Beirdo:

cool

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justinh:

for uk tv, there are quite a few shows which don't have the artwork so dedicating areas to them would mostly be a waste of space

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justinh:

but best of all, there only seem to be iamlindoro's themes & this one which scale to a 4:3 aspect & don't get messed up

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Beirdo:

oh, man. working ATSC is so nice

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Beirdo:

after non-working for so long, especially

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Beirdo:

and I'll have DirecTV in about 8h

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justinh:

woot

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justinh:

hmm now I'm wondering if the programme info widget can actually display images

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Beirdo:

and I have a pretty good IPA in the fridge

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Beirdo:

and some good smoked salmon...

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Beirdo:

life is good, all things being considered

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justinh:

sure it'll be a breeze to add images to that widget

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Beirdo:

sounds like yer having fun

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justinh:

heh yeah. slicing my time between decorating the nursery (used to be the computer room where the backend lived) & everything else.

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Beirdo:

nursery?

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Beirdo:

I'm assuming for a child, not trees

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justinh:

if I can finish the theme & hack a bit more UI code before the boy is born I'll be content for a bit

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justinh:

yeah due on July 19

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Beirdo:

I guess congrats are in order

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Beirdo:

OMG, my legs are not taking the transition from sedentary slob to someone who is walking daily too well

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justinh:

thanks. kinda freaks me out to think it's actually going to happen

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justinh:

mustn't forget I have to sort out my UPS monitoring today too. had to spend 2 nights this week fixing mythtv – one to fix the backend, one to do the frontend

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Beirdo:

fun times

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justinh:

fs corruption took out tables & a bunch of files

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Beirdo:

oh jeez

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Beirdo:

that's never fun

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justinh:

not 'recorded' though, thankfully. and only one recording (in progress) was lost

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justinh:

heh the power went out a few times last Monday

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Beirdo:

yuck

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I'll be heading for bed after this show...

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justinh:

I have housework to do. wanna get it done before the sun hits the lawn ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that's just not my life anymore... in so many ways

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Beirdo:

1) apartment... 2) Seattle – rarely sunny.... 3) no lawn as apartment :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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clever:

i need to mow the lawn for the first time this year

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justinh:

where I live you can generally count the number of sunny days in a month on one hand. one finger in some months

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justinh:

we're gonna have a high of 27 today apparently

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[R]:

i think it was over 90 today

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justinh:

I wish everybody went metric

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justinh:

90 is pretty hot for UK peeps, I do know that :)

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[R]:

all i want to do is fix the chapters in this mkv, why does mkvmerge suck so much

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justinh:

I think I'll stick to using other containers

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clever:

getting up to 26 these days here, sometimes more

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justinh:

don't need subs & junk :)

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[R]:

i just have video audio and the chapters

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[R]:

so i thought i was gonna go on a date this afternoon... although the girl is being a little flaky... think i'll finally get to finishing that patch

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justinh:

hmmm code vs afternoon delight. afternoon delight always wins, when available

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[R]:

well shes the one that was pratically begging me to ask her out "oh i have no plans as of now!"

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[R]:

like seously... who says that

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justinh:

prolly means "until I get a better offer"

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[R]:

rofl

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justinh:

it was bad enough being single before web 2.0. hate to think what it's like now

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achew22:

Does anyone know what causes Graphite to change colors?

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justinh:

er.. random background colours?

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justinh:

I thought that was supposed to happen

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achew22:

so it is just random?

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justinh:

if I remember right it is yeah

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justinh:

you could stop it either by editing the theme xml (dunno which one) or renaming files

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achew22:

my roomate has been tracking it for 2 or 3 days writing down the color and the recording state trying to figure out if they are related. I think I'm going to let him finish his survey

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justinh:

lol

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achew22:

:)

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achew22:

is it possible for a theme to change based on recording state?

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justinh:

interesting, but I don't think so

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justinh:

some elements can change based on certain states – which is how recording/transcoding etc icons & text work

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achew22:

are there conditionals in the theme files?

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[R]:

blarg... i spent all that time regenerating the mkv, and myth doesn't even use the chapter name

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justinh:

yeah there you go.. Graphite/backgrounds/background1.png background2.png background3.png

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achew22:

I'm looking at MythUI Theme Development right now and I don't see anything on there about that

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achew22:

justinh: the best part of this is that my roommate is a psycology major and he just finished a class where they spent a month on perceived trends

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justinh:

achew22: I dunno if it's documented (I'd expect it to, iamlindoro did a good number on the wiki) – but where a directory is specified for an imagetype filename mythui will use a random image from there

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justinh:

here we go

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justinh:

"The filename attribute can *also* be a directory name (which must end in "/"). This will select and display a random image from the directory. The directory can be relative to the theme directory or absolute path. "

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achew22:

so you don't have to explicitly define /ThemeName/bgs/background{1,2,3,4,5}.png you can just say /ThemeName/bgs/?

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justinh:

yes

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achew22:

are the options/settings pages rendered through mythui?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

but if there's only one image I expect it'd be more efficient to specify the whole filename

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achew22:

are they hard coded?

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

actually plugin setting pages are mythui – well for mythui'd plugins they are anyway

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achew22:

and there are no plans to change that?

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justinh:

but main setup stuff isn't, and never will be

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justinh:

plan is to move to web-based setup pages

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justinh:

no gui needed

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achew22:

AARGH

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achew22:

thats what I wanted to do to contribute this summer. Write a mythUI parser that rendered the setup pages for a browser

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justinh:

background for qt-based paged is defined in qtlook.txt

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achew22:

is that going to be a web server written in QT?

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justinh:

achew22: well, the main man isaac has kyboshed converting setup to mythui saying he wants it to be web-based – but so far nobody has even looked at it AFAIK

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justinh:

achew22: there's already a web server of sorts in mythbackend

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justinh:

that's what you see on 6544 – and also what the upnp server kinda is

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achew22:

If I showed up with some code do you think I could get Isaac to take a look?

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achew22:

the webserver of sorts serves the status page, right?

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[R]:

justinh: there is a ticket for it

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[R]:

and i was looking at it yesterday

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[R]:

i wanted to talk to daniel about it

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achew22:

[R]: do you have a link or ticket #?

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[R]:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8262

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[R]:

hes already got a basic renderer

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justinh:

heh didn't think anybody'd started it yet

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justinh:

achew22: I'd say if you wanted to do anything with it, have a word with daniel, or fight with [R] over who gets to do it ;-)

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[R]:

lol

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achew22:

Well I just wanna do something that I kind of understand and I'm WAY more comfortable with web stuff than QT

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justinh:

I dunno, we wait for ages for something to be started then people are queuing up to work on it

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achew22:

[R]: I'll race you.... ready... GO!

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[R]:

achew22: the actual code that does the stuff is all C++/QT...

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achew22:

[R]: I'm aware but at least its rendering into HTML and not into MythUI which is entirely new to me

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achew22:

[R]: if you looked at it, do you have any idea how that code intends to deal with input cards and cross linking them?

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[R]:

cross linking?

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achew22:

Input source is dependent on capture cards

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achew22:

it only looks like "General" has been put in the XML

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achew22:

and I don't know how "Capture cards" would be put in there or would it be custom code?

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justinh:

so? it's only gonna be doing in html what's rendered to screen in fugly boxes now

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achew22:

agreed but the xml defines a schema and validation rules for the renderer and I don't know how those would be extended to describe the "Input sources" page

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justinh:

get stuff out of the db, present choices as select boxes/dropdowns/checkboxes, submit changes

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achew22:

look at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/8262/settings.xml it only defines <config> for the "General"

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achew22:

which is definitely interesting

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[R]:

obviously its not everything...

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achew22:

Yeah, I'm curious if you have any idea how you would define the cross relations in XML like that

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justinh:

you don;t

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achew22:

Okay

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achew22:

so there is custom code to deal with that

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justinh:

the qt gui stuff doesn't validate anything either

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achew22:

doesn't it in some sense because you can't enter "pancake" in a number field?

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justinh:

it gets lists of stuff from the db, or hard-coded lists & presents choices that way

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[R]:

achew22: like i said... the code that actually DOES the stuff is C++/QT

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justinh:

it could validate after input, before making changes

[05:05:48]

justinh:

like any form on the web

[05:06:17]

justinh:

but I think even html allows a few types of entty box

[05:06:23]

[R]:

no

[05:06:26]

[R]:

javascript does though

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achew22:

[R]: yes but the output is HTML instead of some UI framework. I have taken a bunch of C++ classes and am comfortable (ish) in it. I have also taken a bunch of classes on HTML and done web dev in general. I haven't done anything ever with QT's UI stuff which is what I think of when I think of QT

[05:07:16]

justinh:

qt ui stuff is easy & quick. which is why it's so butt ugly

[05:07:43]

justinh:

blown up to 10 foot nterface size, even more ugly

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achew22:

justinh: depends on how picky you are. If you use HTML5 (whatever that means) the <input> tag has been extended to support "email", "range", "color", "number" and a few more

[05:08:10]

justinh:

yeah well there you go

[05:08:15]

justinh:

plenty of scope

[05:08:55]

justinh:

anyway validation will still be done wherever. you don't seriously expect anybody to code stuff which'd allow somebody to be that retarded do you? ;)

[05:09:36]

achew22:

lol "Many settings pages have very little error checking. You can easily screw things up..." – from MythWeb

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achew22:

my favorite warning ever

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justinh:

yeah that's cos they were never intended to replace anything – hence the amount of effort that went into them & that warning

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achew22:

I know why it is that way, it just makes me smile whenever I see it

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justinh:

it was kind of an invitation for somebody to come along & polish it but nobody ever did

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achew22:

Okay, I think it is bedtime for me

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[R]:

i tell you what... writing REAL oop code is so nice

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[R]:

i deal with this fake oop stuff at work all the time... its so nasty

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achew22:

[R]: fake oop like prototypal inheritance?

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[R]:

fake oop like it's C and we do stuff that makes it seem like we have objects

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[R]:

but not really

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achew22:

Ah, using the weird struct stuff

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achew22:

but it is so fast ;)

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[R]:

and tremendous overhead in the name of cross platform portability

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justinh:

but these are setup pages. we no need performance ;)

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achew22:

I hope there isn't any "fake-oo C" code in the myth core

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clever:

every page of settings in the entire UI is init'd and told to find/set defaults on startup

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clever:

even for mythbackend

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clever:

that just doesnt make sense

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justinh:

gah blummin nut docs!

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justinh:

gonna have to buzz out the connector on my ups to see what pins do what

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justinh:

whoops. pulled the wrong plug

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justinh:

anyhoo, nut is now worky :)

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justinh:

aand the myth database backup cron is worky too. 3 days worth of gz files in the dir.

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justinh:

phew. no more disasters like monday was.. well after I take an image of / anyway

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justinh:

and I think there'll be no more diskless frontend malarkey

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Jay2k1:

there's no automated db backup?

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justinh:

I setup a cron job to do it

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justinh:

scripts are provided now though. very capable ones too

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dustybin:

this script is great: http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/

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justinh:

hmmm seems you can count the number of decent touchscreen driven music players on one hand

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rileyp:

Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/inuseprograms.MYI'; try to repair it

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rileyp:

How i can fix this?

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rileyp:

Driver error was [2/126]:

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rileyp:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement

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rileyp:

Database error was:

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rileyp:

Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/inu

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Guest96297:

Hi. My television is broken. it asks for a home variable

[08:24:22]

Guest96297:

Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME

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Guest96297:

no, the answer is not to put "export HOME=/home/user" to the init script

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Guest96297:

unfortunatelly not

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kilmarnock:

I use Ubuntu karmic, latest update for mythtv 0.23 where it got broken

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kilmarnock:

the question is: where can I put the HOME variable for mythtv-backend finds it? Any hint welcome

[08:32:12]

lapion:

Since a reinstall the frontend cannot connect to the database from remote anymore, anyone have any tips ?

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Wolfeyes:

Hi All

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Wolfeyes:

Is anyone here a lawyer in Canada?

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anyone kicking around today?

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Wolfeyes:

Yeah me but I am trying to find a lawyer from Canada?

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justinh:

lol

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Wolfeyes:

mcl0vin, you come from Spin?

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cleith:

Anybody know how to stop myth 0.23 from using pulseaudio?

[09:03:57]

rileyp:

yes remove it

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rileyp:

open synatic and seach for things with pulse

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rileyp:

remov ethem all

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cleith:

anything less drastic?

[09:04:55]

rileyp:

yes just choose from menu in mythfrontend alsa

[09:05:11]

rileyp:

its in the advanced /general menu

[09:05:22]

cleith:

alsa:default gives me no sound

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rileyp:

about 4th or 5 or 6 page

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rileyp:

is alsa installed?

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rileyp:

are you using hdmi

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rileyp:

if alsa is installed are they unmuted

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cleith:

no hdmi

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rileyp:

open from a terminal screen alsamixer

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cleith:

alsa installed

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rileyp:

and check alsa is not muted

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rileyp:

alsamixer

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rileyp:

you unmute them ny pressing m

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rileyp:

check master and pcm are unmuted

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rileyp:

and adjust volumes

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cleith:

under alsamixer I only see one master volume for card pulseaudio. do I have to disable pulseaudio first?

[09:09:18]

rileyp:

probably I dont know i just removed pusle altogether which made alsa default

[09:09:56]

rileyp:

are you using ubuntu?

[09:10:44]

cleith:

fedora 12

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rileyp:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449

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cleith:

any way to use pasuspender with myth 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

pasupender?

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cleith:

supposed to temp disable pulseaudio and give access to an app

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cleith:

but doesn't seem to work for myth

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does that all on its own

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wagnerrp:

no need for any external application

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cleith:

how?

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wagnerrp:

by disabling pulseaudio all on its own, with no need for an external application

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cleith:

if i set "alsa:default" in 0.23 i get no sound

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wagnerrp:

have you compiled mythtv with pulseaudio 'support'?

[09:36:21]

wagnerrp:

which gives it the ability to disable pulseaudio

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cleith:

from rpmfusion – yes

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cleith:

i think

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wagnerrp:

check your frontend log, it should say something about disabling pulseaudio when it starts

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cleith:

seems to disable pulse but then i get no sound using the same config as 0.22.

[09:45:44]

cleith:

anything else change?

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ThisOtherGuy:

Hi all

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wagnerrp:

audio subsystem got a bit of an overhaul

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cleith:

hmmm

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cleith:

what could i check for if i use alsa:default

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cleith:

and have no sound

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wagnerrp:

see 'aplay -l' and '-L' to figure out what the proper devices are

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ThisOtherGuy:

can anyone help me with this weird mythweb issue: I have two back to back shows, when I choose "never record" on the first one it works, but when I choose "never record" on the second one it adds another row to the oldrecorded table for the first one

[09:50:05]

cleith:

wagnerrp: ok, how do i make use of that info in myth

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ThisOtherGuy:

this is in trunk 24739

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wagnerrp:

cleith: pastebin it

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cleith:

wagnerrp: ?

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wagnerrp:

www.pastebin.com

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cleith:

are you able to see that

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wagnerrp:

only if you give me the link to it

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cleith:

http://pastebin.com/sWDnLDqH

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wagnerrp:

what about -L?

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wagnerrp:

youre running these with pulse disabled, right?

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wagnerrp:

so the application can actually access ALSA beneath

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lapion:

hi, whenever I start livetv-viewing I get bpounced back out..

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lapion:

this happened after I cleared the osdcache dir..

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wagnerrp:

lapion: do recordings work?

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lapion:

I have nothing currently recording

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to determine why the recording is failing

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lapion:

2010-05–22 15:48:07.596 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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wagnerrp:

pastebin the whole thing, not just some line you may think is important

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lapion:

http://pastebin.org/265384

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lapion:

well I am going to up the verbosity, and post more from the frontend

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wagnerrp:

backend, backend

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lapion:

http://pastebin.org/265404

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mcl0vin:

good morning

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lapion:

morning

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wagnerrp:

lapion: you have a bad default channel

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lapion:

I changed it several times

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup, the card input, and set the default channel to one the card can actually tune

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mcl0vin:

hmmm this is the 3rd time my mythtv box freez ,the HDD LED stay steady and i am forced to power it down then back up

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AndyCap:

mcl0vin: way want to talk to people using your distro about how to debug kernel crashes/hangs.

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justinh:

maybe it's time to junk that PC Chips motherboard

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justinh:

put it on the fire with all the framegrabber tuner cars

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justinh:

*cards

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mcl0vin:

way to go

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lapion:

wagnerrp, thtat seems to be the problem, somehow mythtv cannot tune most of the channels anymore

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lapion:

maybe channel profile probelm./....

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mcl0vin:

AndyCap: since you are an expert , can you explain to me the difference between both?

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AndyCap:

mcl0vin: I'm about as far from an expert as you can find.

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AndyCap:

mcl0vin: anyhow, if you're unlucky there's no output from the kernel to give you a clue about what went wrong, if you're lucky you'll be able to capture some crash messages, dumps, or something that may give you some clues

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justinh:

a good place to look will be in the system log, then the kernel log, if there is one

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justinh:

logs can be found in /var/log on some distros

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Dassu:

Is there a way to delete all recordings with no files at once?

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AndyCap:

Dassu: the mythorphans.pl or what it's name was is a (contributed?) script

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AndyCap:

Dassu: sorry myth.find_orphans.pl

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AndyCap:

Dassu: probably not a good idea : Warning: This script is deprecated. It has not been updated in line with changes to the main mythtv programs.

[10:49:12]

AndyCap:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl

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Dassu:

well, I'm using 0.21

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Dassu:

AndyCap: thanks

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kiall:

Heya – I've been doing some digging to find out if MythTV has support for Sky UK's "OpenTV EPG" – I've found some code claiming to get the EPG for dreambox's .. but nothing for MythTV .. any suggestions?

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mcl0vin:

AndyCap: justinh : hahahahah i found what is the problem without even looking at any log

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mcl0vin:

omg

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mcl0vin:

it is my 3 yrs old! hahahah he was pounding on the keyboard ...when i asked him what are you doing...he said 'am cleaning the keyboard for dad!' :)

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lapion:

wagnerrp,strangely enough only a handfull of channels are available to mythtv

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bradd_:

is anyone else having issues displaying fanart for recorded programs?

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cleith:

Thanx for the help all. Later.

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lapion:

for some reason the backend can not tune most channels anymore..

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lapion:

I thought I t might have something to do with the channel/frequency tables, however debsums couldn't find anything wrong with mythtv's installed file md5sums

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sphery:

more likely it has something to do with the input connections configuration

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justinh:

kiall: no mythtv doesn't support it. because it's NOT open

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sphery:

i.e. anything in your configuration from video source to channels to input connections itself

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justinh:

it's propriatary crap which any project without a clever lawyer shouldn't even think of supporting

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justinh:

I need booze. ice cold booze

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justinh:

found a use for my old vinyl record shelves, only they need reassembling.. and it's a tad warm to be doing physical work :)

[11:43:44]

lapion:

sphery, I tried scanning and got a lot of duplicats, and they don't tune in the frontend as well

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justinh:

do you mean in mythfrontend or on a different machine?

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justinh:

lapion: ^^^

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lapion:

nope on the same system\

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justinh:

look in your backend log. as usual

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justinh:

just saying they don't tune is no use to us

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lapion:

http://pastebin.org/265404

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lapion:

the do tune in scan mode.. however not in viewing mode

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sphery:

5

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sphery:

2010-05–22 16:18:39.928 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel

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sphery:

yep, broken input connections

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justinh:

so, you've likely not associated any inputs with a video source then

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sphery:

lapion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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justinh:

like somebody already said. *read* :)

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GreyFoxx:

New extension?

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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justinh:

mmm booze :)

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Beirdo:

for me, booze is AFTER the DirecTV dude's done.. he should be here in 20min or so

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Beirdo:

after that, I will see what I wanna do for the day... likely watch TV :)

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beata:

when using jamu.py or even w to grab metadata should it update category or genre?

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RDV_Linux:

beata: Yes as long as the TMDB or TVDB has that information for the specific video

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sphery:

beata: I /think/ it will only update category/genre if you don't already have a value in there (i.e. if it's at the default)

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sphery:

so if you had stuff in there first, it may not

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beata:

ok, i see its updating genre but not category

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beata:

however my videocategory table is empt

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beata:

y

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wagnerrp:

beata: the grabbers will update your genres, but the category is a value you set on your own, one category per video

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Beirdo:

grab this... :)

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Beirdo:

DirecTV dude on his way...

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wagnerrp:

bob ross is so depressing

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[R]:

they still show that stuff?

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wagnerrp:

no matter how good you ever get at your job, you will never be able to make it seem to mockingly simple as he does his

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

'now lets mix some brown, and some amber, and *dab* *dab* *dab* here we have a happy tree'

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[R]:

didn't he die?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, like 15 years ago

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

DirecTV++

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Beirdo:

heh

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famished:

is there a way to move recordings from one mythtv install to another?

[15:06:38]

famished:

i setup a new mythtv backend and would like to migrate my existing recordings to it

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famished:

i would rather not transcode them to avi or something else but actually migrate them to the new "backend"

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wagnerrp:

backup your database on the old one, restore it to the mysql server on the new one

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wagnerrp:

are you changing the hostname of your backend?

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famished:

yes

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famished:

so the whole backup and restore does not work

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famished:

:-/

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wagnerrp:

yes it does

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wagnerrp:

see the backup and restore tool on the wiki

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famished:

ip and name etc... are all changing

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wagnerrp:

it has a function to go through and update the hostnames

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wagnerrp:

ip is irrelevant, only the hostname

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famished:

hmm... well i already have the new one running and do not want to override it as it works better than the old one

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famished:

the old one has some odd settings that i would like to not have to hunt down to change

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famished:

is there another way to migrate them?

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famished:

http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html

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famished:

does that actually work?

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famished:

ie... just backup the "recorded" information for db migration?

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wagnerrp:

its fairly crude, i dont know what all is required for proper migration

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famished:

i am not sure of the db format

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famished:

right

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famish:

sorry... hit the wrong key

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famished:

sigh

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famished:

not my morning for keystrokes ;-)

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Beirdo:

oooh.

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Beirdo:

hockey in HD

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Beirdo:

yay yay yay

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Beirdo:

indy 500 qual in HD too

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[R]:

does AMC censor its movies?

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AndyCap:

[R]: isn't it MPAA that does that?

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[R]:

AndyCap: huh?

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AndyCap:

isn't AMC a theatre chain? and wouldn't they just use the MPAA ratings?

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[R]:

i'm talking about the channel...

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AndyCap:

ooh

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wagnerrp:

some, but not much

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[R]:

some is too much

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[R]:

i really need to get this movie on dvd

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[R]:

i thought i had at one point, but i can't find it, so i probably didnt

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wagnerrp:

i assume they censor, i could be wrong

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[R]:

they have commericals, so right away i'm sure its gonna be cut

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt be sure of that

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[R]:

i dont want to be disapointed though

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wagnerrp:

FX often does things uncut, but then theyre also like 4hrs long

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AndyCap:

which movie is it?

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[R]:

The Secret of my Success

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[R]:

interesting... looks like Spike is playing all 6 star wars movies...

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wagnerrp:

what is there to censor in that movie?

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wagnerrp:

a few suggestive scenes maybe

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

[R]: http://www.amazon.com/

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[R]:

theres some good swears

[16:15:12]

AndyCap:

oh my, a long time since I've heard that name

[16:15:12]

wagnerrp:

maybe ive just always seen the censored version

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sphery:

they'll have the movie on DVD :)

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[R]:

sphery: yeah, i know

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[R]:

ffs... star wars on spike is 3 hours

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[R]:

thats like an hour of commericals

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AndyCap:

Haha, reminds me of 8mm descriptions.

[16:17:53]

AndyCap:

Though we are no longer able to offer this title as a full length feature we feel sure that this skilfully edited 90 minute version will satisfy you

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AndyCap:

which of course makes me concerned about the films advertised as just "edited" :)

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wagnerrp:

in the 'edited for TV' version of Blade Runner, Harrison Ford is shooting walkie-talkies at care bears

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[R]:

HAHA

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AndyCap:

hmm, maybe I should watch another movie from the era of "the secret to my success" Innerspace. :)

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AndyCap:

Hmm, wonder if one could find an algorithm for stupid anti-piracy dvd ad skipping

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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sphery:

those ads can't legally be skipped

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AndyCap:

when one plays a dvd, detect the you are a thief commercials they are so fond of annoying paying customers with.

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sphery:

skipping them would be a violation of the DVD-CCA license

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AndyCap:

sphery: along that line the whole Import DVD function is quite suspect. :P

[16:34:05]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: many unlicensed (illegal) players will skip those

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sphery:

AndyCap: well since Myth only imports unencrypted DVD's... I don't see the problem

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wagnerrp:

and AnyDVD will detect, remove, and create a newly mastered virtual DVD without them

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sphery:

now if you've modified your MythTV/system to allow use with encrypted DVD's, that's not our problem

[16:35:04]

AndyCap:

sphery: should I file a bug if Myth doesn't respect the unskippable flag?

[16:35:06]

AndyCap:

:>

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sphery:

wagnerrp: makes me wonder how AnyDVD maintains a license with DVD-CCA

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sphery:

(or maybe they don't :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do they?

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AndyCap:

sphery: by moving to antigua

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sphery:

that may be the case

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sphery:

just ignore it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they have a 'Banana Republic License'

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AndyCap:

Oh, a nasty bug in MythDVD.. I was allowed to fast forward

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sphery:

that's likely to be removed

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sphery:

if you're talking about the ffwd in stuff such as the anti-piracy screens

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sphery:

it causes problems

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[R]:

theres code that says "if this is an antipiracy screen, enable ffwd"?

[16:38:00]

AndyCap:

was thinking of myth not having implemented the "You're not allowed to skip this" flag.

[16:38:07]

AndyCap:

but my test may have been flawed

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wagnerrp:

[R]: im guessing something about myth not properly handling the funky single image mpegs

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

dvds are such complicated beasts

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sphery:

AndyCap / [R] : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/428813#428813

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sphery:

where Stanley is pretty much the DVD playback maintainer

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** wagnerrp is still baffled by upnp searches months after implementing them in the python bindings **

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NightMonkey:

Hi all. I seem to have lost my local channels (at leas the low numbered ones). I think my fix was to truncate channel,channelgroup, credits, people, program, channelscan, channelscan_channel, programgenres, programrating.

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NightMonkey:

But, when I run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --refresh-all, it misses low-numbered channels (like 2, 4, etc.).

[17:12:03]

NightMonkey:

I have successfully purged and re-added in the past, but it has been a while since I did it... :/

[17:12:16]

NightMonkey:

I'm using Schedules Direct.

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NightMonkey:

Am I going about this correctly?

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NightMonkey:

I also verified that the channels are still listed in my SD listings.

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** wagnerrp is having good fun with generators **

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[R]:

wagnerrp: gas?

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wagnerrp:

list

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[R]:

they're making a car by hand

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[R]:

amazing

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pjcrux:

hello all, have a problem when scanning channels in 0.22 on Fedora 12. After a certain channel (it's different each time) the channel says "no lock" scan stops. The card is a PVR-500 on analog cable in the US. I tried changing the broadcast setting to US-Cable but still the same result. Any ideas?

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sphery:

pjcrux: you never scan for channels on analog capture cards in the US

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sphery:

pjcrux: do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

NightMonkey: to fix your issues, do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

direct DB editing isn't supported

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sphery:

and the approach shown in the post works properly

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pjcrux:

ok thanks sphery

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kilmarnock:

mythbackend fails to start

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kilmarnock:

"Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME"

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kilmarnock:

what can I do?

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kilmarnock:

(it starts from command line)

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bjd:

what does "echo $HOME" return when you run it as the user mythbackend runs as?

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sphery:

kilmarnock: fix your init script so it properly sets the HOME environment variable

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sphery:

kilmarnock: talk to the #mythbuntu people to see how they want to handle it with upstart

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kilmarnock:

echo $HOME --> /root

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sphery:

kilmarnock: the problem is that it's not set in the environment starting mythbackend--the init/upstart environment

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kilmarnock:

I tried to do "export HOME=/root" in the init script, but it does not react to it

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sphery:

what distro?

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sphery:

ubuntu?

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kilmarnock:

ubuntu

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sphery:

talk to the folks in #mythbuntu

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sphery:

kilmarnock: see, also the whole thread at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/431273#431273

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sphery:

basically, though, the distro needs fixing because MythTV is working properly (and you now have a recent enough version that you get a proper error message)

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squish102:

how can i tell if my recording has a 5.1 audio stream?

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kilmarnock:

I tried the softlink before

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kilmarnock:

I even copied it there

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sphery:

kilmarnock: I'm not saying that the solutions there will work--as that's using a different repo

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sphery:

kilmarnock: I'm just saying that it discusses the issue and presents more info

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sphery:

that might be useful when you, er, ask the folks in #mythbuntu

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kilmarnock:

I know. But I thought its just a proggie

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sphery:

since *buntu needs to fix their config :)

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kilmarnock:

its not the original repo, it comes from launchpad

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squish102:

and if it is recorded in 5.1 is there anything i need to do to mythfront end? I'm playing over hdmi

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lapion:

sphery, you there ?

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sphery:

yeah

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lapion:

sphery, I solved the problem, you see, when I was setting the channels information for the I neglected setting channel-num and freq id

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Beirdo:

Watchin Barnyard (on DVD). hehe

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sphery:

lapion: this is when it locks up the UI on 2nd channel when using the frontend channel editor?

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lapion:

thanks to mythweb ( all that time I was looking into mythnet)

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lapion:

No that wasn't the lockup problem, rather the bounce-back problem..

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lapion:

the lockup problem is solved by not using browse-mode

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sphery:

don't remember that problem... bounce back to ?

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lapion:

When entering live viewing mode I got bounced back to the menu

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

I see... Yeah, without freq id, that would prevent proper tuning/channel change

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sphery:

glad you got it

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sphery:

and I'll keep that in mind for when someone else sees that issue

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sphery:

thanks for the update

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lapion:

do you use browse mode ? otherwhise you can check if the edit-channel-freeze problem only arises when browse is active/used ( directly from osd-menu

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iamlindoro:

He doesn't use live Tv, so doesn't need browse mode ;)

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lapion:

okay, thanks for your help sphery, all little bits and pieces of information got me on the right road

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lapion:

maybe you can check iamlindoro ?

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iamlindoro:

I don't use live TV either

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sphery:

lapion: yeah, I don't have a system where I can test the channel editor problem.

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sphery:

I may eventually look into it, but it will be a while

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EvilGuru:

I am looking to get myself a DVI-S/S2 card. However, there appear to be few, if any, PCI-e options. Is the Hauppauge Nova still the best PCI bet?

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Thanks for the pointer. Should mythbackend be stopped when running mythtv-setup to delete a source?

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sphery:

NightMonkey: yep

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sphery:

and keep mythbackend shut down until you've finished re-adding it and reconfiguring input connections

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Thanks. Doing the Right Thing(tm), now. :)

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squish102:

]\]

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sphery:

:)

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[R]:

why does no one make a simple device that you plug something into and it connects to a computer via serial port and its a simple computer controlled on/off...

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Beirdo:

go for it

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iamlindoro:

because computers haven't had serial ports since we all wore animal skins :)

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[R]:

than usb port

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[R]:

whatever

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[R]:

i know how to make one... but i'd rather just buy something

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iamlindoro:

Think that kind of thing was just leapfrogged by wireless/X11

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iamlindoro:

er X10

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[R]:

but i dont need wireless

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[R]:

and x10 is super expensive

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iamlindoro:

Then I revert to bierdo's answer-- you asked why, those are the answers

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iamlindoro:

tethering everything to the length of a serial cable is of limited use, and X10 matured before anyone else thought of doing it, it's undeniably more elegant, price aside

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[R]:

theres the ecostrip... but thats expesive and i dont need a full power strip

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[R]:

i still need to finish the code on my PIC for my ir device

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[R]:

grr, so much time and so little to do

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[R]:

wait strike that, reverse it

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[R]:

:)

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

anyways.. I hope to resume work on my 4-way IR box... especially now that I have 3 DirecTV receivers :)

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iamlindoro:

kinky

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Beirdo:

so my current plan...

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Beirdo:

1 HDPVR, 2 PVR-250, and something for ATSC

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

likely HVR-2250 or something

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[R]:

i'm debating the merits of getting an analog tuner... but i just dont record enough off analog channels to merit it

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Thanks again. Re-adding channel icons was a bit of a bear, but it's all better now.

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sphery:

NightMonkey: great... "soon" I should have a patch to make channel icons easy to restore

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iamlindoro:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

*gasp*

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iamlindoro:

HAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa

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iamlindoro:

You kill me, sphery

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iamlindoro:

soon

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iamlindoro:

HA!

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I should just finish it now to spite you

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iamlindoro:

by all means

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iamlindoro:

play right into my hands

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ive not noticed any new backend commands to play with for the metadata stuff

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wagnerrp:

have those not gone in yet? or did i just miss them? or is it not going to work that way?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The one and only addition to the BE so far is actually via MythXML, not the proto

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wagnerrp:

ah, so new mythxml commands to play with

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iamlindoro:

http://mythbackend:6544/Myth/GetInternetSearc . . . v&Page=1

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wagnerrp:

although thats just for the webpage hosting isnt it

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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iamlindoro:

Because all of MNV is XML-based, and MythXML serves it up natively, it's the logical choice to proxy all the MNV searches/etc. thgrough

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pyther:

Hi does anyone know why I migh get static on my left headphone while watching stuff in mythtv? Audio outside of myth seems to work fine...

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iamlindoro:

also, it's easier to get away with than swelling the protocol

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pyther:

I am using 0.22-fixes and oss, this is an issue that just started happening maybe a few days ago

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sphery:

pyther: have you tried switching Audio output device /and/ Mixer device to "ALSA:default" (no quotes, case-senstive)

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pyther:

sphery: no and I would really perfer not to have to use alsa

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wagnerrp:

XFi card? or just dont like alsa?

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pyther:

I have an audigy 2 value card and I just think oss sounds better

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pyther:

It's really bizarre that it just started happening

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NightMonkey:

Isn't OSS emulated in the kernel, as a frontend to ALSA?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

there ARE oss-style dev nodes running through ALSA

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wagnerrp:

but you can run OSS instead of ALSA

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Ah, I see. There's two options, one emulated, the other the real deal. My bad.

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jams:

pyther- was myth or oss updated in the last 2–3 days?

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to PulseAudio which exists only as a frontend to ALSA, or some other 'proper' audio system

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jams:

maybe disable internal volume controls within myth. And of course verify that oss works fine by running osstest

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pyther:

osstest seems okay, but I'm not sure the sample that is being played is all that clear

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sphery:

pyther: OSS4 isn't supported

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sphery:

if you're really using OSS, I'm guessing you need to add proper OSS4 support :)

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sphery:

we'd /love/ it, btw

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pyther:

sphery: but shouldn't it use the legacy oss crap

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pyther:

and shouldn't it work?

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sphery:

well, if channel mapping or anything differs, there might be problems

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sphery:

I can't tell you--I've never tried OSS4 with Myth

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pyther:

it was working fine before just a few days ago :-/

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sphery:

Only other thing I can suggest is that you should make sure you haven't enabled the Mute audio channels independently setting

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sphery:

but I doubt if you had one channel muted, that it would carry over from playback to playback

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jams:

pyther- the output from osstest contains no static

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jams:

it's a very clear piano track

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pyther:

jams: hmm bugger

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pyther:

I bet it is this stupid 2.6.34 kernel that is causing me greif

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pyther:

or maybe it is just the card that is going :-/

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jams:

check your connections

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jams:

got one cable that doesn't like to be touched. Any movement will cause static or left/right will go away for a bit.

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wagnerrp:

the (detachable) cable for my headphones are getting that way

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wagnerrp:

if i bend it in the wrong direction, i lose one channel

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wagnerrp:

ive got a spare sitting around somewhere, but i dont remember where off hand

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pyther:

gah

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pyther:

it's these stupid ass speakers :(

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pyther:

the headphone jack is shit :(

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wagnerrp:

no profanity in this channel

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pyther:

sorry

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justinh:

no profundity either, generally ;)

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wagnerrp:

are you calling us shallow?

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wagnerrp:

im going to have to go buy something shiny to console myself now...

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NightMonkey:

Do most folks run MySQL for myth with innodb these days?

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sphery:

no, MyISAM

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sphery:

MySQL defaults

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sphery:

only InnoDB is generally for MythWeather

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Because MW is so chatty?

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[R]:

i need a cron that will run missed jobs

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[R]:

i can't think of the name

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wagnerrp:

missed jobs?

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[R]:

like if the computer was off when it was supposed to run

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wagnerrp:

jobs run as soon as the resources are available to run them

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wagnerrp:

or you mean stuff external to mythtv

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[R]:

not myth's jobs... cron jobs

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wagnerrp:

anacron?

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sphery:

NightMonkey: because MythWeather was a partially-implemented built-from-scratch project done as part of the Google SoC, and the guy who wrote it used foreign keys and no one has cared enough to make it work without InnoDB

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[R]:

my box is using anacron

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[R]:

but it hasn't been run the daily cron

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NightMonkey:

[R]: fcron.

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[R]:

NightMonkey: ah... thats it

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sphery:

basically, it was a guy who didn't have a lot of experience with the rest of Myth, so he did things his way

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Interesting that it was accepted into MythTV officially.

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NightMonkey:

[R]: In case you don't have this: http://fcron.free.fr/

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[R]:

NightMonkey: thanks

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NightMonkey:

Reminds me that I need to put fcron on my laptop.

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[R]:

well i figured out why my daily cron hasn't been running

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[R]:

ubuntu's default scripts require anacron installed to do that... and its not installed

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[R]:

but it runs the hourly cron w/o it

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wagnerrp:

someone want to tell this 'Outbreak Monkey' that comskip.exe IS mythcommflag?

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Captain_Murdoch:

supposedly not much anymore.

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Captain_Murdoch:

used to be

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wagnerrp:

its diverged pretty far from its origins?

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sphery:

outbreak monkey?

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wagnerrp:

wiki

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sphery:

is this on the -users list?

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

nice of him to not just patch mythcommflag, too

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, guy supposedly rewrote mostof it and has a closed sourceverison now even I think with more enhancements.

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wagnerrp:

im just looking at the types 4 and 5

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wagnerrp:

which are the same defines used for mythcommflag

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wagnerrp:

which only make sense with mythtv because the markup is used for other things

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Captain_Murdoch:

originally I had a makefile for the comskip code that made it run under Linux, but I haven't messed with it inyears. I did get some ideas back from him andthat's why I switched to the weighted block-based algorithm it currently uses.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, How did he manage to close source it? Or is it just that nobody cares to pursue it?

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Captain_Murdoch:

he rewrote it and now uses some windows dlls for his decoding. hewas usinglibmpegfor the openversion atone point.

[21:07:11]

** Captain_Murdoch needs to get his space bar fixed. **

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Captain_Murdoch:

might be open sourcestill,but has aclosedsource dll or something I think.

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wagnerrp:

so its basically a completely new program, and the fact that it uses the same types for start/stop are about the only remaining similarities?

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f0urtyfive:

Hey... whats the best way to "update" my channel list?

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f0urtyfive:

I recently lost a bunch of stuff to encryption...

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think he rewrote it in C. beenyears since I looked it though.

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sphery:

http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/ for the site

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Captain_Murdoch:

the current mythcommflag code is hardly like anything that existed back when he made a copy. I thinkit's even a different guy working on it now.

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sphery:

looks like it's open, but those who donate get "personalized access code to the Comskip Early Access download area where bugfixes and improvements will be first available"

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sphery:

"The Comskip version available in the Early Access download area is able to process HD MPEG2 recordings at double speed"

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sphery:

wonder how long that's been/going to be the case :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: having a couple of similar defines was enough for SCO's lawsuit :)

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wagnerrp:

well we know how well that went

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I believe thatthe 'early access' area is that paid area that gets you a licensed mpeg decoder and that's why it's faster.

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** Captain_Murdoch does a 'svn co' of the code to look atlater. **

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bcgrown:

anyone here manage to get game emulators working well with a gamepad and remote?

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wagnerrp:

i used to, like 4 years ago

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Captain_Murdoch:

comskip.c still mentions that it is based on my code.

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wagnerrp:

havent in some time

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wagnerrp:

looks like it requires you run the script on the machine hosting the sql server

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: ever use snes9x? the button config from snes9x-gtk doesn't seem to transfer over to the command-line snes9x

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wagnerrp:

nah, it was some old DOS games

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** wagnerrp debates a python version on the talk page **

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bcgrown:

hrm

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bcgrown:

i tried zsnes but it's 32-bit only and i couldn't find a binary

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wagnerrp:

so compile from source?

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: doesn't support 64-bit

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wagnerrp:

so use the 32-bit version?

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bcgrown:

dunno how to compile it

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bcgrown:

for 32-bit

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wagnerrp:

use the cross-compile tools

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bcgrown:

*whoosh*

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bcgrown:

yay, found a 64-bit deb

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: how did you map the remote keys to your emulator(s)?

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wagnerrp:

dont recall, it was years ago

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wagnerrp:

sphery: re 24799, the python bindings update automatically to fit new table definitions... :P

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sphery:

wagnerrp: lucky!

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i try to manually reconcile some change, to exactly what was changed on the commit, and svn barfs

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bcgrown:

anyone good with lirc configs? i can't make irxevent send commands

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pennstatejoe74:

looking for some advice on optimal software RAID configuration for my first mythtv machine. My first experience with linux was in December and since then I've had several "trial" installs of Ubuntu – trying to find optimal configuration. I want to run RAID 5 for the stability

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pennstatejoe74:

i have 3 hdd's, each identical 1.5 TB

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wagnerrp:

for recordings, you want independent drives, for archival, raid5/6 works fine

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: i've seen you say that before, but how can you make equal use of multiple drives with myth? don't you need to define specific criteria for what goes into each storage group?

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wagnerrp:

you just add a directory on each drive into the storage group, and mythtv will balance between them during recording

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bcgrown:

ah

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bcgrown:

cool

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pennstatejoe74:

partition scheme is as follows – each drive has 250 gb set aside for /root (ext4), 400 gb for /home (ext4), and the rest (850 gb) for recordings (mounted to /var/lib/mythtv) and that is in xfs.

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wagnerrp:

you can add multiple paths to a single storage group

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wagnerrp:

thats why theres that tall window, rather than a single line

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wagnerrp:

250GB is massively over spec for root

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bcgrown:

right

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pennstatejoe74:

since each drive is partitioned like that – it yields double the capacity when I put them into RAID 5

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Beirdo:

oooh, baseball in HD now ;)

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wagnerrp:

even if root contains your whole system install, youre still only taking a couple GB of files

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Beirdo:

or I coulda gone to the game...

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

400GB is massively over spec for home

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pennstatejoe74:

okay, good to know

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bcgrown:

pennstatejoe74: i agree with wagnerrp, your root will never fill 250GB

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wagnerrp:

your root should never fill 20GB

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wagnerrp:

and thats only if you install a crap ton of applications

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bcgrown:

pennstatejoe74: i have mythbuntu, and a bunch of extra apps installed, and my root still is <5GB

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pennstatejoe74:

well the actual array is double those capacities

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Beirdo:

dang, baseall looks great in 720p

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wagnerrp:

my mythtv boxes have a 4GB root partition

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wagnerrp:

pennstatejoe74: that simply makes it twice as unnecessary

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pennstatejoe74:

so I have 500 for room, 800 for home, and 1.7 tb for /var/lib/mythtv

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Beirdo:

the commercials look like crap though :)

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bcgrown:

pennstatejoe74: why do you need 400GB for home

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wagnerrp:

what do you intend to store in home?

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bcgrown:

Beirdo: does 720p make baseball more or less boring? ;)

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Beirdo:

pr0n

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wagnerrp:

thats a lot of porn

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Beirdo:

baseball doesn't bore me.

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wagnerrp:

certainly the largest collection ive ever heard of

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pennstatejoe74:

apparently I don't. Just didn't know any better :-D

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bcgrown:

pennstatejoe74: it really depends on what you plan on putting there

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Beirdo:

and the Sens already choked out of the playoffs, so I am not TOO interested in hockey

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pennstatejoe74:

none the less, i've been having some stability issues with my configuration

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bcgrown:

Beirdo: i lost interest after the Canucks bombed :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I was glad to see the Flyers beat the Bruins

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Beirdo:

but that's a hate/hate more situation, and I was in Philly at the time

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pennstatejoe74:

so I have physical drives A, B, and C... each with 3 partitions on them (1 for root, 2 for home, and 3 for media)

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pennstatejoe74:

i build my arrays using mdadm – command such as: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/A1 /dev/A2 /dev/A3

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Beirdo:

bcgrown: but the Canucks are kinda my "home" team I guess now, but I will stay a Senators fan regardless

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pennstatejoe74:

strike that....

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Beirdo:

even if Seattle gets NHL, the Sens will stay my #1 team, with Seattle at #2 :P)

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pennstatejoe74:

should be: mdadm – command such as: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/A1 /dev/B1 /dev/C1

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wagnerrp:

pennstatejoe74: right now, ive got a pair of mirrored 250s running my server, a trio of independent 300s for recordings, and then anything i want to keep, i shuffle off to a slew of 750s in raid6

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you keep your recordings on independent drives (or mirrors), and your database on a completely separate drive (or mirror)

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Beirdo:

anyways, watching the Mariners game that is in play about a mile from me

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Beirdo:

in pretty HD :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv likes having plenty of IO, and you can always spin down drives when not in use

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pennstatejoe74:

why would that be advisable? I'm looking for the redundancy offered by RAID 5 and the confidence of knowing that I can withstand a single HDD failure

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wagnerrp:

the database wants a lot of IO during recording

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wagnerrp:

if it gets caught in contention because of other tasks, you will have problems

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pennstatejoe74:

I don't have alot of flexibility with my hardware configuration due to $$, but I could add two 750 GB hdd's to the backend

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wagnerrp:

multiple separate recordings would ideally be recorded to separate partitions for fragmentation prevention, and on multiple independent spindles to limit seeking

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pennstatejoe74:

maybe I should add those in a RAID Mirror and run the DB off of those?

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wagnerrp:

now in practice, one modern hard drive should easily have plenty of capacity for simultaneously recording half a dozen shows simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

your setup will work, im just listing myth's ideal setup, price, power, and ports not withstanding

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pennstatejoe74:

the stability problems I referred to earlier were that I was having 1 and sometimes 2 drives fail, for no known reason.... I would then get all sorts of errors and had to reboot to the rescue broken system on my install CD

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pennstatejoe74:

that happened to me over and over and over... I've gotten very good at running mdadm commands to fail our the drives, stop the array and then force rebuild.

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wagnerrp:

if you keep dropping drives, you have hardware issues you need to resolve

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pennstatejoe74:

I'm doing a new install now, and I'm hoping to prevent that from happening again. I was thinking maybe it was an issue with the 3 drives staying in sync with all the I/O

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wagnerrp:

lack of power, or maybe a flaky drive controller

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bcgrown:

pennstatejoe74: i don't think software is your problem

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pennstatejoe74:

pint taken... i did replace the PSU and upgraded to 850 watts from 750

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pennstatejoe74:

also switched out SATA cables

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wagnerrp:

what hardware do you have in there?

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pennstatejoe74:

that did appear to improve the frequency of occurance

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bcgrown:

pennstatejoe74: i hate to tell you after you bought a new PS, but you can't trust their ratings: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410

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pennstatejoe74:

board is EVGA 680i with Quad Core 2.4 Ghz, 8 GB RAM, nVidia 8800 GTS

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pennstatejoe74:

psu was 850 watt Zalman

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wagnerrp:

so... sy 40W for the board, 100W for the CPU, 60 for memory, 200 for video, 50 for half a dozen hard drives

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wagnerrp:

that 750W was overkill as it was

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wagnerrp:

not to mention an 8800gts will go completely unused with mythtv

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pennstatejoe74:

the upgrade was more for the quietness of the Zalman which has multiple heatsinks in the PSU

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wagnerrp:

youre talking 'quietness' in a system with an 8800gts?

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pennstatejoe74:

yeah, i realize that card needs to be upgraded... lol

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pennstatejoe74:

especially after my last chat in here last week with you when we discussed the lack of VDPAU support

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pennstatejoe74:

so power doesn't seem to be the issue

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wagnerrp:

at least its an 80plus supply

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wagnerrp:

but its way way over spec unless youre running multiple video cards

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pennstatejoe74:

and I replaced a few SATA cables and found an improvement... instead of often dropping 2 drives, it has only been dropping 1.

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pennstatejoe74:

but dropping 1 is still annoying.

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pennstatejoe74:

so I was looking at some of the mounting options during my new install of Ubuntu 10.04 server x64

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wagnerrp:

dropping any is serious cause for concern

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pennstatejoe74:

and I was curious about "sync" mounting option

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wagnerrp:

i replace a drive when my controller drops it

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wagnerrp:

'sync' means there is no memory cache

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wagnerrp:

you almost certainly do not want that

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pennstatejoe74:

i don't have a raid controller. it's all software raid

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wagnerrp:

point still stands

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pennstatejoe74:

but here's the thing... i have 3 software raid drives (call them 0, 1, and 2)

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wagnerrp:

if youre dropping drives from a raid, either the raid software is garbage, or you have hardware that needs replacing

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pennstatejoe74:

they all exist from partitions of the same 3 physical drives

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pennstatejoe74:

I was finding that it was failing a drive in /dev/md0, but not in /dev/md1 or /dev/md2

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wagnerrp:

why have three separate arrays going?

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wagnerrp:

why not just make one array, and then partition the array?

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pennstatejoe74:

so that leads me to think it wasn't a physical hdd

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pennstatejoe74:

maybe bad software raid config... maybe I'm not going about it properly

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pennstatejoe74:

is that what I should do – 1 array, with multiple partitions?

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wagnerrp:

unless you intend to do separate levels

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pennstatejoe74:

you mean RAID levels, right?

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wagnerrp:

say 3x40GB raid1 for root, and the rest as raid5

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Beirdo:

3x40GB?! Wow, that's quite the mirror

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: well... what else are you going to do with that extra space?

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

might as well

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pennstatejoe74:

why would i want it in raid 1 vs. raid 5?

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Beirdo:

frig! Jimmy Rollins back on DL

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wagnerrp:

because they each have their advantages and disadvantages

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pennstatejoe74:

i want to minimize (or eliminate) downtime for my server

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wagnerrp:

raid5 works best for sequential read/write of large files

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wagnerrp:

raid1 works best for multiple simultaneous reads of small files

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wagnerrp:

so 5 is more ideal for bulk storage of large videos

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pennstatejoe74:

ah

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wagnerrp:

while 1 is more ideal for the access patterns of a root partition

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pennstatejoe74:

so i want root in ext4

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pennstatejoe74:

in a raid 1

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pennstatejoe74:

size – no larger than 40 gb

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wagnerrp:

pennstatejoe74: that depends entirely on what you plan to do with the machine

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wagnerrp:

you may very well have reason to have a larger root

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pennstatejoe74:

then how would you recommend partitioning the rest, given that I would have: 3 1.5 TB drives and 2 750 GB drives available

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wagnerrp:

i would try to scrounge up some old <300GB drives

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wagnerrp:

maybe buy some cheap, single platter 250s or 320s

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pennstatejoe74:

my intentions are to host a webpage and my own email, run mythtv front/backend, run 3–5 virtual machines (not all at once)

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wagnerrp:

mirror them, and use that as root

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wagnerrp:

use the 750s as independent drives for recordings

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wagnerrp:

and 1.5s in raid5 for archive

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wagnerrp:

either way, i would recommend keeping the root and database on a different drive as your recordings

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pennstatejoe74:

okay wagnerrp, thank you for the assistance

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pennstatejoe74:

last question – regarding the database location

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pennstatejoe74:

how do I change that... and is that something I should take into consideration when first installing mySQL or before setting up other SQL databases?

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wagnerrp:

anywhere you want, preferably not on the same partition or drive as recordings, and on a partition you can ensure will never fill up

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wagnerrp:

if you fill the partition housing the mysql database, you /WILL/ lose data

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pennstatejoe74:

what is best file system for database partition?

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wagnerrp:

no opinion

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pennstatejoe74:

and when do I specify the db location? i don't remember ever being asked?

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wagnerrp:

thats up to your distro

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pennstatejoe74:

ext4 for root, and home is good, right? and xfs for the recordings and archive partitions?

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wagnerrp:

good enough

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pennstatejoe74:

boot...? ext4?

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wagnerrp:

you may need a small ext2 boot partition

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pennstatejoe74:

:)

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Beirdo:

personally, I intend to always use a separate partition for mysql databases from now on

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Beirdo:

and likely the same for /var/log

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Beirdo:

tired of having my databases being taken out by runaway log files

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pennstatejoe74:

good advice

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wagnerrp:

ive got my mysqldb on its own logical partition

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pennstatejoe74:

what was meant by "no option" regarding the filesystem on the mysqldb partition

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wagnerrp:

but i havent bothered setting up anything to say it must get a certain amount of space

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wagnerrp:

i didnt say 'no option', i said 'no opinion'

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pennstatejoe74:

oh... so you did... :-!

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Beirdo:

likely ext3/4 for the mysql db partition unless you are a reiserfs lover

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pennstatejoe74:

Beirdo – any opinion on that question?

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Beirdo:

no need for xfs, it's not really huge files

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pennstatejoe74:

i'm not an anything lover yet.

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** wagnerrp is a zfs lover **

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** Beirdo wishes Linux had zfs **

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wagnerrp:

well... just how btrfs comes through in the near term

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wagnerrp:

s/how/hope/

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Beirdo:

I'm considering running OpenSolaris on my eventual fileserver box just for that

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pennstatejoe74:

any difference between what I want to have on physical partitions vs. logical partitions, or does that make no difference at all?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how your logical partitions are handled

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wagnerrp:

if you mean logical partitions in fdisk, makes no difference

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jamesd_:

zfs rocks.. i use a iscsi share 100GB to add some storage to my mythtv box it works great... nfs has issues maintaining the bandwidth needed for mythtv between solaris and linux.

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wagnerrp:

if you mean dynamically sized logical partitions through LVM or ZFS, thats a different matter

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