Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 23rd, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Beirdo:

jamesd_: bah humbug

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Beirdo:

NFS can maintain bandwidth just fine. you just need to tweak it

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pennstatejoe74:

i only know through fdisk – not familiar with the details of the other things you're referring to.

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, just what i have seen... i don't have any nfs issues between solaris and esxi ( peeks of over 80MB/s) solaris to solaris nfs works great as well.. its just that linux doesn't play nice with solaris nfs.

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wagnerrp:

pennstatejoe74: primary partitions are just the four partitions designed into the BIOS way back in the 70s

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Beirdo:

jamesd_: what settings on the Linux mount?

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wagnerrp:

if you want more than four partitions, it has to be handled through logical partitions and the operating system

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Beirdo:

you HAVE to tweak it

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wagnerrp:

your boot must be on a primary partition

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wagnerrp:

everything else doesnt make much difference

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, i have tried rsize=wsize=8192 works okay if i force vers=2 but that isn't really friendly with mythtv hd recording.

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Beirdo:

vers=3

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Beirdo:

why the heck would you force 2?

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wagnerrp:

momentary insanity

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jamesd_:

because it works better... i will give it a try next time... iscsi is working so damm smoothly i'm not changing it... if it aint broken don't fix it.

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Beirdo:

I had my window sizes at 16k and vers=3 and it would saturate 100mbit ethernet in both directions

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Beirdo:

3 works better than 2.

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Beirdo:

but if iscsi works for ya, go with it ;)

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pennstatejoe74:

having boot on a raid array was a problem for me a few months ago... something about Grub2... didn't research it too much, just been having boot on a non raid partition. is there a work-around to allow Grub2 to be installed onto a RAID array?

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wagnerrp:

have the RAID handled by your BIOS/controller

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Beirdo:

or point grub at one of the 3 mirrors

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Beirdo:

although be sure to learn how to use grub if THAT mirror dies :)

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pennstatejoe74:

so wagnerrp, you're suggesting setting up a hardware raid array just for boot

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Beirdo:

OMG, I need a beer

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pennstatejoe74:

and Beirdo, how do I do what you suggested?

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wagnerrp:

no, hardware raid is expensive, and nearly all firmware (hard or soft) based raid solutions require dedicated disks

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wagnerrp:

im saying there is no real good solution

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Beirdo:

you tell grub that the root is the /dev/sda1 or whatever underneath the md0 or whatever

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jamesd_:

wonders why anyone would use 3way mirror for mythtv, sure its a pain, but mirroring should be fine and its not all that io intensively that the 3way mirror helps any.

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wagnerrp:

jamesd_: hes got three disks, i was suggesting he not use raid5 for root

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wagnerrp:

and if he only did 2-way, he would end up with an extra unused partition

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wagnerrp:

may as well toss it into the mirror

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Beirdo:

which he could add to the mirror... or have a HUGE pile of swap

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Beirdo:

heh

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pennstatejoe74:

Berirdo, if I point grub2 to the underlying drive, it would then mirror to the other 2 during sync, is that right?

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jamesd_:

put it in a storage pool... or just keep it around as a hot/cold spare disk...

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Beirdo:

well, no. You need to actually INSTALL it to one drive, but set the root to a drive... I dunno

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Beirdo:

you may need to install grub on all 3 drives

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wagnerrp:

jamesd_: i was coming up with a reason why one might want to partition BEFORE raiding

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wagnerrp:

if you wanted to have two different types of raid on the same disk

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna go get a beer

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

too much thinking for a Saturday

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pennstatejoe74:

agreed!

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wagnerrp:

jamesd_: hypothetical situation, and one that probably shouldnt be used anyway

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** Beirdo pours out a 7 Seas Ballz Deep **

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Beirdo:

Double IPA from Gig Harbor... 16oz of 8.4% :)

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Beirdo:

yummy beer

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wagnerrp:

ugh...

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Beirdo:

ugh what? :)

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Beirdo:

you don't like hops?

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** wagnerrp tries to come up with a way of reorganizing the bindings without running into circular imports **

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Beirdo:

here, have a pint.

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Beirdo:

Alcohol is your friend.

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wagnerrp:

sadly, python has no concept such as 'prototyping'

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wagnerrp:

i cant just have a header circlejerk

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Beirdo:

yeah well.. python... oh never mind :)

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jamesd_:

tosses a few sam adams boston lager in the freezer to enjoy in a bit.

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Beirdo:

Sam Adams isn't bad for a kinda mega-brew

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

how low can beer go before it freezes?

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wagnerrp:

i know weve got some liquor in the deep freeze

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Beirdo:

BTW, most beer should NOT be drunk ice cold

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Beirdo:

Umm, I think most freezers will freeze anything under about 30% alcohol.. eventually

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wagnerrp:

beer with flavor should not be drunk ice cold

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Beirdo:

40% (like vodka) can live in the freezer indefinitely

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** Beirdo agrees with wagnerrp **

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wagnerrp:

beer without flavor... well its debatable whether that should be drunk either

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wagnerrp:

but at least when cold, its more palatable

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pennstatejoe74:

What do you all think about this as my final configuration... Using my 3 1.5 TB HDD's – 50 GB Raid 1 using 2 hdd's (for/ root – ext4), use the other hdd as my swap. Then 300 GB RAID 5 using 3 hdd's (for /home – ext4), remaining space partition as a RAID 5 array using 3 hdd's as xfs for archives. Then with my 2 750 GB drives, make a small 5 gb raid 1 for /boot as ext2, then a 250 gb raid 1 parittion in ext4 for mysqldb, the remaining space as

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Beirdo:

most beer that is "supposed to be" drunk ice cold is that way as the flavor is definitely not Scottish

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Beirdo:

as if it's not Scottish... it's Crrrrap!

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wagnerrp:

bonus points for obscure michael meyers movie reference

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Beirdo:

movie and SNL :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, this IPA needs to warm up a touch, but should be cold, but not fridge cold in my opinion

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wagnerrp:

the local hoffbrau makes some nice microbrews

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Beirdo:

I forget where ya are, but I'm definitely impressed by the beer supply here in Seattle :)

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wagnerrp:

cincinnati

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Beirdo:

ah yes

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Beirdo:

glad that the midwest area is starting to get real beer :)

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jamesd_:

milwaukee... yes we have good beer.... just not anything by miller or budwiser unles you are making beer batter fish or beer bread.

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wagnerrp:

most impressive thing ive seen was some place up in Ann Arbor, Sherley's?

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wagnerrp:

had like 150 microbrews on tap

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

that's always a good place to be at then

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wagnerrp:

one of the few times ive ever managed to get wasted on beer alone

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Beirdo:

hehe, I used to do that in my living room

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Beirdo:

but I brewed my own IPA...

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wagnerrp:

wheat beer just goes down so easily

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Beirdo:

it was stronger than this one...

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Beirdo:

it was about 10% alcohol.... and I bottled it in 1L bottles

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wagnerrp:

ein mass

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Beirdo:

so if I drank the whole bottle in one sitting, it was about the same as drinking a 6-pack of swill... in 15min

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jamesd_:

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/710/2940 leinkugel dark on tap, a local bar has it for less than $2 a glass... good deal for a decent beer....

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

I have decided... sports + HDTV is a good match

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jamesd_:

its no fun to pay $5+ a bottle for a beer.... there are much better ways to have a good evening... captain and coke for one...

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[R]:

sports are stupid

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Beirdo:

whatever

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Beirdo:

I'm a geek and I still like sports

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, yeah hd and sports rock.. can even make golf cool... watching the individual blades of grass move...

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Beirdo:

just not to play em

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Beirdo:

yeah...

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Beirdo:

Golf still puts me to sleep though

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Beirdo:

but today I watched hockey, Indy 500 qual.. baseball...

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i enjoy playing sports, but i was never much one for watching

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wagnerrp:

ill only go for the company

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jamesd_:

imax movies on bluray disk rock with a 1080p tv.... undersea was totally engrossing to watch... even better when i get to 10 blu-ray disks a week to watch for free since son works at blockbuster...

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Beirdo:

btw, wagnerrp... The Reds' closer buggered up again... -4 points for me :)

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Beirdo:

at least he didn't lose it this time

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Beirdo:

he's on my fantasy team

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wagnerrp:

what do you expect from a team that had to bench one of their pitchers, because he trashed his wrist playing Guitar Hero

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

true nuff

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Beirdo:

I do like to go to games. It's fun for me

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wagnerrp:

of course our football team loses players who try to jump onto fast moving vehicles

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Beirdo:

nothing better to do in Cincinnati?

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jamesd_:

going to games is too expensive... after tickets, parking, food and drink it gets hard to justify...

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wagnerrp:

i think he was in WVa at the time

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Beirdo:

jamesd_: dunno about Brewers games, but it's pretty reasonable here in Seattle

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Beirdo:

and was in Philly too

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Beirdo:

and in Toronto when I lived there

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wagnerrp:

tried to jump into the back of his (ex?) girlfriends truck as she sped off, tumbled backwards, tumbled out, cracked his skull open

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: nice job. some people just don't think

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, take 2 people to a brewers game ... tickets $15 each.. parking $20... that is $50 before food/drink for 2 people...

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Beirdo:

no way to get there without driving?

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Beirdo:

I never count parking as I never drive to a game :)

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wagnerrp:

wow, i think we pay $6 for valet

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, bus's but its painful... adds an extra hour each way...

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Beirdo:

make-out time if you are so lucky

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wagnerrp:

and $15 for tickets on the first baseline

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jamesd_:

not on super packed busses..

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oh wow, now THAT is sweet

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Beirdo:

like first level?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, usually 5–10 rows back

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wagnerrp:

perfect foul ball territory

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Beirdo:

dang, I gotta go to a Reds game :)

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wagnerrp:

i think thats some special student discount though

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Beirdo:

you have to be "special"? :)

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Beirdo:

sorry

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

valet parking is about half a mile away at the montgomery inn (upscale barbecue)

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Beirdo:

either way, going to games is a 3 times a season type of thing for me.

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wagnerrp:

fridays, they have free appetizers before the game

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jamesd_:

and really its much better experience to buy ticket to the 300 club (currently called the metavante club) for $3 each.. nicer view, and big screen tv's inside a controlled environment but does add like $1 each to drink prices but better choices.

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wagnerrp:

(with the assumption you buy drinks)

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Beirdo:

not really worse than ging to the movies

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Beirdo:

now, basketball... is a waste of money

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Beirdo:

and most NHL games too

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wagnerrp:

i heard our team just wont the <small>minor league</small> hockey championship cup

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Beirdo:

of course, ballpark beer is a waste of money (and crap beer)

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Beirdo:

nice

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jamesd_:

now football in wisconsin would be fun... but never felt rich enough to go to a game... scalped tickets are $75 each on game day.... parking is probably $20.. its been 15 years since greenbay home game hasn't sold out...

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Beirdo:

gack

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Beirdo:

I've never been an NFL fan

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wagnerrp:

ECHL or something, caught the mention watching the news at the restaurant tonight

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Beirdo:

but I might learn... I can see the stadium where the Seahawks play from my balcony

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Beirdo:

less than a mile from here, I think. next door to where the Mariners just lost

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pennstatejoe74:

back at 12:20 AM, I posted a proposed configuration for my 3 1.5 TB drives and 2 750 GB drives. Anyone have any thoughts?

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Beirdo:

too busy drinking

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pennstatejoe74:

lol

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pennstatejoe74:

i saw that

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Wicked:

pennstatejoe74, my thoughts?...send them to me.

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Wicked:

:)

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pennstatejoe74:

the drives? haha

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Beirdo:

50G of swap will be massive overkill, I think

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pennstatejoe74:

but again... back to that question of what to do with that extra space b/c of using a raid 1 and a raid 5 on the same physical drives

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Beirdo:

I dunno :) I'd just throw it in the mirror, personally. Swap will do also, but hat's a lot of swap

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pennstatejoe74:

how much swap is recommended? should i make a small raid 0 (stripping) on the 750's for swap?

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Beirdo:

Hmm, Lost in HD is kinda cool too

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Beirdo:

generally, you want about as much swap as RAM (approx)

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Beirdo:

standard UNIX-wise

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jamesd_:

and actually having that much swap can kill peformance.... swap should be at most 2x ram... and that is usually over kill unless you are doing a multi-user shell box... with 100's of users...

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Beirdo:

or at least in the same range

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pennstatejoe74:

so i got 8 gigs

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pennstatejoe74:

of ram

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Beirdo:

I would carve off like 3G from each drive for swap in its own partition, no RAID

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pennstatejoe74:

okay, so i put it on the 750's. is it good/bad to do it on a raid 0 array??

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Beirdo:

or just 4G on each 750G :)

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wagnerrp:

no, independent swap

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pennstatejoe74:

so i can define multiple partitions for swap?

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wagnerrp:

'swapon <partition>'

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Beirdo:

yes. and if you mount them with the same priority in fstab, the OS will stripe automatically

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Beirdo:

essentially

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pennstatejoe74:

cool!

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pennstatejoe74:

it's sad that I'm so excited to have learned that – at 1am on a Saturday

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pennstatejoe74:

250 GB in raid 1 on a ext4 partition seem appropriate for mysqldb?

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Beirdo:

I doubt you will ever fill that

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Beirdo:

if it's primarily for myth anyways

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wagnerrp:

250MB is almost more appropriate

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Beirdo:

I woulda said 4G or so

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wagnerrp:

mine is running some 320MB or so

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Beirdo:

just to give growing room

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pennstatejoe74:

wow – really!

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wagnerrp:

4GB should be enough for all but the largest of myth systems (read: sphery's)

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pennstatejoe74:

good to know.

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Beirdo:

and likely mine (hopefully)

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Beirdo:

I am mentally at about 5 tuners

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Beirdo:

heh

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pennstatejoe74:

better to have that on raid 1 with my active recording partitions, or raid 5 with my archives?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youve got a long way to go, hes at like 1400 recordings and several months worth of video

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I have about 500MB of old ones...

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

pennstatejoe74: thats all up to you, most people dont deem recordings of sufficient worth to keep on redundant drives

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Beirdo:

but yeah, I hear ya

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wagnerrp:

my recordings are to non-redundant drives

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wagnerrp:

anything i actually do want to keep, i clip the commercials out of, and move over to mythvideo on my array

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pennstatejoe74:

right, recordings would not be on the raid 1

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pennstatejoe74:

but I would have my 2 750 GB drives – with a small raid 1 partition for /boot and a raid 1 partition for mysqldb, and then independent swap partitions on each drive, and independent recording partitions

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wagnerrp:

with 8GB of memory, swap of is of limited worth

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pennstatejoe74:

is it better to have the mysqldb on the other drives, the raid 5 drives with root, home, and recording archives?

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pennstatejoe74:

you mentioned the i/o was a concern with the db

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sphery:

My DB is only a little over 500MiB

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wagnerrp:

sphery: dumped to text and compressed

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: should always do swap. better than OOM

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xris:

pennstatejoe74: i/o is more an issue with drives than partitions....

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pennstatejoe74:

and best to separate that partition onto a different physical drive

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sphery:

heh, that's full mythconverg directory of binary files

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Beirdo:

although 8G takes work to OOM on

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wagnerrp:

oh? then where am i getting 382MB used by my database

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xris:

I use a raid1 for OS, and then independent non-raid partitions for recordings (since I don't care about those as much)

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wagnerrp:

oh, 50MB in a log file, 100MB in an error file

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wagnerrp:

...heh

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sphery:

only about 86MiB for my DB backups compressed with gzip

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pennstatejoe74:

i'm thinking my db may be better off on my raid 5 – due to fail-over protection plus, since that will be for root and archives, it will have less activity during active recordings, since those will be going onto the 750's

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Beirdo:

some part of me STILL wants a large (like 10TB) RAID, but I'm just insane sometimes

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wagnerrp:

my log file's starting date is 070520

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wagnerrp:

three years of SQL logs

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wagnerrp:

(and three days)

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pennstatejoe74:

happy belated birthday to your db

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Beirdo:

blargh

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lucas_:

the closed caption script on the wiki is awful, so I rewrote it

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lucas_:

and now I'm thinking, where do I go from here

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Beirdo:

get a beer

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lucas_:

aside from mythtranscode, are there scripts already made to query the database for cutpoints / metadata / so on

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lucas_:

and call mencoder / transcode / whatever to reencode the video to, say, H.264 MP4 w/MP3 audio and those extracted subtitles

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

nuvexport

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Beirdo:

edxcept it doesn't do subtitles

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lucas_:

I'm talking just MPEG-2 -> MP4

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lucas_:

the NUV files are nowhere to be found on my system, maybe they're temp

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Beirdo:

whatever.

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Beirdo:

anyways, back to Castle :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

mythcommflag -c CHANID -s STARTTIME --getcutlist

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lucas_:

yep, that's how I'm doing it in the script

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Captain_Murdoch:

so you meant "aside from mythcommflag" then, not mythtranscode. :)

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lucas_:

but there's so much other useful data stored in this database. program title, synopsis, series name / episode number, actors

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Captain_Murdoch:

use the perl or python bindings for that.

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lucas_:

probably a bunch I'm not even aware of

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lucas_:

was just wondering if someone else had written a script that extracted all that stuff for tagging purposes so that I wouldn't have to hunt it all down

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lucas_:

the commercial detection works like a charm

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SubJimbo:

Hey guys, Does anybody have a DigitalNow TinyTwin USB Tuner that is working in the 0.23 release of MythTV (Windows Port)?

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SubJimbo:

The tuner works fine with W7MC & is detected by windows, But No joy when trying to get it up for MythTV.

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justinh:

mythbackend on windows won't support non-network tuners. So there

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justinh:

you can only use networked tuners with mythbackend on windows – in theory. Which means networked tuners might not even work with mythbackend on windows. YMMV

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SubJimbo:

Ahh no problems, Thanks for your help :)

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justinh:

if you want to use PCI or USB tuners with mythtv it has to be on linux

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justinh:

actually you only need the backend to run on linux. that's a *real* linux system not a VM. Nobody here would recommend running mythbackend in a virtual linux machine either :)

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okolsi:

friend is having problems with MySQL, three MythWeather tables are corrupt/broken

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justinh:

and mysqlcheck can't fix them?

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okolsi:

no.. it gives "incorrect information in file", same result if you try to truncate table or delete all from there

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okolsi:

we thought howabout dropping the tables.. but does MythWeather create them automatically afterwards..?

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justinh:

ouch.

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justinh:

possibly. but it might be safer to uninstall mythweather (only) then drop the tables, then reinstall the plugin. I *think* the plugin will create the tables automagically on first run

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okolsi:

aa.. that's right, but how does one "uninstall" one particular plugin?

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justinh:

depends how it was installed

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justinh:

if using packages, use your package manager

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okolsi:

I think compiled from sources..

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justinh:

if it's built from source, go into the plugin directory & make uninstall, I'd have thought

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okolsi:

yeah.. i'll test that one myself first

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justinh:

you might not actually need to do that as long as mythbackend/mythfrontend aren't running

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justinh:

or hey – he could always reinstate yesterday's database backup – or part of it – specifically the mythweather tables

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okolsi:

yes!! :D I have backups in perfect order, but not sure about him.. :(

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justinh:

he be a foo not to have db backups

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okolsi:

true

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justinh:

grr @ ubuntu. the 'docs' for 10.04 samba say to use /etc/init.d/samba but guess what? ;-)

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justinh:

oh and changing the workgroup name requires nmbd to be restarted as well as smbd. sheesh

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okolsi:

justinh: table drop complained something but did the job and now everything works again :)

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okolsi:

a bit irritating if you weather tables are corrupt (and you don't use that plugin) and that prevents you to use myth at all.. don't know what happened but both MythFE and MythWeb were unusable when those tables were broken

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Pwen:

hi all. a question about mythvideo: I have properly named TV series eps to be "title – [01x01] – subtitle.avi" for example. episode 1 has metadata downloaded automatically, but the rest do not. they are displayed as "title – [" like something isnt being parsed properly. what can I do?

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oobe:

Pwen, i prefer to name things with no spaces and no [ or ) in them

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oobe:

i dont have any problems then

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Pwen:

oobe, hmm, I was hoping you wouldnt say that because I have literally done hundreds of episodes :(

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Pwen:

sigh :p

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zzpat:

sed is your friend

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Pwen:

I am not well enough versed, guess I might have to be

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oobe:

yes sed is good

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oobe:

also if your prefer gui option there is a program called bulk rename which comes with xfce

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oobe:

if your gonna use sed i would cp the directory first in case you make an error

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Pwen:

yeah

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Pwen:

all my eps are on a nas with no gui so its going to have to be sed

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Pwen:

could have thought of better ways to spend my sunday evening tho

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Pwen:

so oobe you just have "Title 01x01 Subtitle.avi" ?

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Pwen:

or "Title – 01x01 – Subtitle.avi"

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justinh:

the rename command rocks :)

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Pwen:

hmmm regex

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Pwen:

not really good at that either haha :p

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oobe:

Pwen> or "Title – 01x01 – Subtitle.avi" << this will work

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oobe:

its the brackets that stuff you round

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oobe:

having said all of the jamu may work on it without haveing to rename

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cleith:

Hello

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ecksii:

Good morning

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ecksii:

I'd like to run a pretty simple MythTV setup with One Backend and three Frontends. One Frontend will be on the backend server (just so I can check things out) The other two will be remote. Is it appropriate to put the address 0.0.0.0 in the setup of the backend server instead of 127.0.0.1?

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wagnerrp:

ask a question, leave if you dont get a response _immediately_

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oobe:

lol

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oobe:

is it possible to use 0.0.0.0 instead of loopback even thought niether options would ever work

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what that would do

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oobe:

well he wants to use remote fe's

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wagnerrp:

so you specify the address you want mythtv to listen on

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oobe:

oh 0.0.0.0 is loopback aswell

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oobe:

i didnt know that

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wagnerrp:

no, 0.0.0.0 is everything

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oobe:

yea that is what he has to do but he is gone and niether would work

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

maybe 0.0.0.0 would work then

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oobe:

how do you mean everying

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wagnerrp:

it means you listen for all available traffic, everywhere, on that port

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oobe:

i just pinged it and i got a reply from 127.0.0.1

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

that might work then

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wagnerrp:

allows you to pick up traffic from multiple subnets, if its a multi-homed server

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wagnerrp:

no, it would not work

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oobe:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

youve got the master and local IPs

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will only run as the master if those two are the same

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wagnerrp:

remote boxes connect to the master by whatever the master ip is set to in the database

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wagnerrp:

so if you have the master listening on 0.0.0.0, the remote machines will try to connect to 0.0.0.0

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wagnerrp:

so whether or not the master will work, i have no idea

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wagnerrp:

but the clients and slaves will not

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oobe:

yea i see

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: is this something youve previously encountered/fixes? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/genera/13228- . . . parsing.html

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wagnerrp:

since hes talking about metadata being downloaded automatically, i assume its jamu doing the scanning

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: nevermind

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wagnerrp:

seems that (after i got filename parsing in python working again) the braces are simply not supported

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xand:

that link does not go to what it says it does

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xand:

it goes to http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13228 . . . options.html

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sphery:

xand: it's 13229

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the information in square brackets are purposefully removed

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sphery:

it allows people to put information in the the filename that won't appear as part of the guessed title name (but it seems you know that since you basically said that)

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exelnet:

is mythtv automuting at any point?

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sphery:

mythtv mutes when it forwards, etc

[10:12:41]

sphery:

if you're using Pulse Audio, the mute can stick

[10:12:45]

sphery:

Pulse Audio isn't supported

[10:13:32]

jya:

het :)

[10:13:35]

jya:

yet :)

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exelnet:

sphery: ah ok. well im not using pulseaudio.

[10:14:11]

sphery:

jya: right :)

[10:14:27]

jya:

exelnet: what do you mean by automute ?

[10:14:38]

exelnet:

is there a way to change mute to set the volume to 0 instead of using the mixers mute?

[10:14:56]

jya:

sphery: the audio before wasn't really muted... what it did was play 000000.... instead of the proper audio stream

[10:15:28]

exelnet:

jya: well my gf is having problems since the next morning she wakes up the mixer is mutet... so i wonder why? (maybe she was it herself, but hey... if i say that...)

[10:16:23]

exelnet:

so i thought there might be some function which turns on the screensaver and activates mute

[10:16:24]

jya:

exelnet: you could use the software mixer instead... actually I don't recall what the code does now when you mute

[10:16:35]

justinh:

ahh mythtvtalk.com, the home of the abandoned

[10:17:06]

sphery:

exelnet: sounds like you have something outside of MythTV messing with the audio settings... Like a desktop environment or something that's responding to multimedia keys on the keyboard or whatever.

[10:17:33]

exelnet:

sphery: ok that might be the cause... its mythbuntu after all...

[10:18:47]

exelnet:

maybe the softwaremixer is the solution... :=)

[10:20:03]

jya:

exelnet: yeah, mute is done by lowering the volume to 0

[10:21:03]

jya:

not something I looked into before... I guess we could just stop outputting sound instead of lowering the volume

[10:22:24]

justinh:

I've still yet to setup passthrough on my new frontend install. not looking fwd to the pain I forsee there

[10:24:48]

jya:

why would it be painful?

[10:25:19]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, its not... the square brackets simply get consumed as part of the title and subtitle

[10:26:01]

exelnet:

jya: well normally it would be fine, but since im using an mpd on the same machine its kind of troublesome since mpd cant unmute. but hey, this is more of a mpd problem than a mythtv one

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jya:

exelnet: at this stage, you'll have to use 0.23 and the software mixer if you don't want that changing the volume level or mute affects your overall machine

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okolsi:

jamu question.. I'm seeing following errors/warnings, anything to worry about..? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/nTyvw62H

[10:35:20]

wagnerrp:

did you do a manual backup of your recordings at some point?

[10:36:08]

wagnerrp:

specifically, a manual backup of the 'recorded' table

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wagnerrp:

okolsi: ^^^

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wagnerrp:

...

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sphery:

okolsi: and have you tried running optimize_mythdb.pl

[10:40:19]

wagnerrp:

sphery: hes got a 'recorded' object, that hes trying to pull the respective 'recordedprogram' object for

[10:40:26]

wagnerrp:

but the bindings cannot find it in the database

[10:40:59]

sphery:

Oh, I thought maybe it was a mysql problem.

[10:41:02]

wagnerrp:

which i can only assume means at some point he restored recordings from an old database by only restoring the recorded table, and not any of the other needed tables

[10:41:12]

wagnerrp:

meaning a broken database

[10:41:41]

wagnerrp:

either that, or theres some bug with an ancient version of the (new) bindings

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wagnerrp:

and he is running a very old copy of them, because that DeprecationWarning at the top was squelched long before release of 0.23

[10:42:34]

sphery:

the addition of recordedprogram to the partial-restore instructions was relatively recent (0.21 era?)

[10:43:23]

sphery:

so it's possible he did it according to the instructions on the HOWTO for doing the grep-based restore (which were always broken, anyway) a long time ago

[10:43:42]

wagnerrp:

but it seems well never know

[10:43:44]

sphery:

so, yeah,

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp and sphery: It seems like you guys are handling Jamu questions so well I will not need the help desk staff I now employ. Thanks;)

[10:49:05]

wagnerrp:

can we get their pay?

[10:49:26]

sphery:

well, it seems I was wrong about it, but that's actually common with some help desks

[10:49:44]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: They are all from the local zoo. Do you you work for peanuts?

[10:50:17]

wagnerrp:

that depends? salted? shelled? chocolate dipped?

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: I am using the Comcast model for my help desk. With a little coaching you too can solve no problems and sell the customer something they do not want.

[10:50:48]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'm sure once I got the checklists your guys used, I'd be more effective.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Shell? The shells are all the parts of the peanut you get!

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wagnerrp:

'have you belittled the customer yet?'

[10:51:51]

wagnerrp:

'No: well then do so'

[10:52:02]

wagnerrp:

'Yes: well then do so again, its so much fun!'

[10:52:44]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Sure I randomly give them links to the wrong wiki pages some of which are not even on the MythTV site.

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okolsi:

wagnerrp, sphery: i'm doing mysql optimize every night, and don't remember restoring database.. but cannot be sure

[10:58:59]

wagnerrp:

okolsi: i would still upgrade your bindings and/or jamu

[11:00:23]

okolsi:

wagnerrp: i thought i was running up to date.. bindings should be installed during every build, jamu i'm not sure but i'll check

[11:00:38]

johnnyj:

i have a gdb question in regards to setting a breakpoint

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: Please take wagnerrp's advise ^^^. I have never seen the issue in your pastebin. If you are up to date then you have some issues in the DB.

[11:01:22]

johnnyj:

i'd like to set one in the gdbcommands file for "void ComboBoxSetting::setValue(QString newValue)" – how would that syntax look?

[11:01:40]

wagnerrp:

as mentioned, if you were up to date, you shouldnt be getting that warning at the top

[11:02:32]

okolsi:

oh my.. was it so that jamu was in svn at some point but not anymore?

[11:02:45]

wagnerrp:

jamu is still in svn

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okolsi:

svnversion jamu.py gives: 'jamu.py' not versioned, and not exported

[11:04:11]

okolsi:

hmm.. local svn problem or something

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Is there a chance okolsi has a python dependency issue?

[11:05:07]

wagnerrp:

in the version hes got, the only dependency there is is mysqldb

[11:05:54]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: He is saying he uses trunk and if that is the case then some old version of things may be revealing itself.

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[11:07:01]

okolsi:

downloaded latest jamu from Trac and diffing it to one in /usr/local/.. shows those are identical

[11:07:30]

sphery:

okolsi: also, make sure that bindings /are/ being installed... we now do a check to see if you have all the prerequisites and refuse to install if not

[11:07:49]

wagnerrp:

okolsi: what happens when you run python, and run 'import MythTV; MythTV.__version__'

[11:09:24]

okolsi:

wagnerrp: it just echoes the line.. probably doing something wrong..

[11:10:10]

wagnerrp:

pastebin exactly what it outputs

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: Did you go into python first?

[11:11:04]

okolsi:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/8ZhCFu2C

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wagnerrp:

no quotes

[11:11:28]

okolsi:

:D

[11:12:05]

RDV_Linux:

okolsi: Here is what it should look like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/438367/

[11:13:00]

okolsi:

okay, something wrong then: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/1aSKEXyg

[11:13:29]

wagnerrp:

so youre running an old version of the bindings

[11:13:51]

wagnerrp:

at some point prior to when i started adding versioning

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okolsi:

make install seems fine: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/2GW8jLAw

[11:15:31]

okolsi:

I'll re-run jamu now that I manually installed bindings, just in case..

[11:15:53]

wagnerrp:

try 'rm -r /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV*', and then make install again

[11:18:06]

okolsi:

okay.. now the install did lot more

[11:18:32]

okolsi:

and now the version test works :)

[11:18:48]

okolsi:

thanks guys.. it was some old cruft in there..

[11:21:50]

okolsi:

too happy too soon.. so now i really have latest bindings but still get those db error lines with jamu..? something wrong with the DB?

[11:24:29]

okolsi:

what would be the problem with 'recorded' table..?

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: As I have never seen this before from Jamu I do think this is a DB data issue. I am not knowledgeable to help further.

[11:25:59]

wagnerrp:

okolsi: it means JAMU is requesting an entry from the recordedprogram table that does not exist

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okolsi:

wagnerrp: how can i dig deeper? where does that request for non-existing entry come from..?

[11:27:59]

wagnerrp:

every entry in recorded should have a matching entry in recordedprogram

[11:28:04]

wagnerrp:

you seem to have some that dont

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okolsi:

okay, at least row counts are equal

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wagnerrp:

i would have to see a backtrace to get a batter idea of whats going wrong

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okolsi:

adding more debug prints to jamu now shows which 4 programs cause the error

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: Are they old or recent recordings?

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okolsi:

RDV_Linux: old recordings, there really seems to be mismatch between these tables, have to figure out exactly what

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RDV_Linux:

okolsi: In a way I think that is good news. I suspect you will be able to fix it if the number is really only 4 recordings.

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sphery:

For any trunk users, don't worry... All is well.

[11:44:40]

sphery:

If you happen to look at the MythWeb listings for tonight and see "No Data" for Lost episode The End (after LOST episode The Final Journey), it's just a MythWeb display issue. It won't affect the scheduler or anything.

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sphery:

and for those same trunk users, if you upgrade to r24808 or higher, it all works, again

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highzeth:

hmmm getting a nasty error randomly on recordings after .23-fixes r24710; "max resync size reached, could not find sync byte", playback ends, can skip over it and continue watching. Edit & transcode of said recordings ends up with footage up to that err.

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sphery:

highzeth: what was your previous version (since [24710] is unrelated)

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highzeth:

sphery: 24542

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highzeth:

its not a err that you can skim through to detect, since all is/looks a-ok if you dont hit the above resync size err. Been going through recordings from the last days. Different satelites, diff BE's, diff channels, 5 recordings so far.

[12:44:48]

highzeth:

same channel I watch 3 recordings, 1 was affected. never came across this one before

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sphery:

I'm wondering--based on the lack of any really important changesets between r24542 and r24710 ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-23-fixes ), if something else might have changed

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sphery:

the specific file where that error message occurs hasn't been changed since [24262] ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . mat/mpegts.c )

[12:47:03]

highzeth:

well, I jumped from .22-fixes r24035 to .23-fixes r25452, but it didnt occur till I upgraded to r24710. Im not sure where to dig further

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sphery:

how long were you using 0.23-fixes r24542? Is it possible that it just never hit a recording that triggered the issue?

[12:48:02]

sphery:

(based on how often you're now seeing them)

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highzeth:

10 days, the recording schedule has been pretty consistent the last years.

[12:50:51]

sphery:

not sure what it might be

[12:50:58]

highzeth:

makes two of us =)

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sphery:

might want to ask on the users list if others are seeing it

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sphery:

would be nice to find a common thread

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highzeth:

yeah, its so randomly on both channels, programs, be's and sats, its a odd one

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highzeth:

I'll go through more recordings to see, just such a pita since you actually have to watch em back to back heh

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justinh:

meh. no source code for the IRK! thingy eh :(

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wagnerrp:

hehe... 'gravity inducer'

[13:04:17]

wagnerrp:

forget apply and their childish accelerometers, the aPad can alter the local gravitational field

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wagnerrp:

apple

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lucas_:

oh man

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lucas_:

m -> video scan -> progressive

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lucas_:

all problems with jerky playback are gone

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PsychoI3oy:

my google fu fails me; i'm trying to hook up a pchdtv5500 through composite input but can't figure out where/how to get sound

[13:31:19]

PsychoI3oy:

i've got video recording off composite, and jerry-rigged a rca->female3.5mm to hook to the blue 3.5mm jack, but I'm guessing that's not right

[13:31:51]

PsychoI3oy:

should I be feeding sound to the soundcard instead?

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PsychoI3oy:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/364236 that describes my problem and setup but has no solution, heh

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nichos:

hi all, I'm not sure what happened, I've been using myth for about a month and now I'm unable to skip ahead or back, in live or in recordings

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PsychoI3oy:

nichos, sounds like one of the tables for seeking is messed up

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nichos:

sql tables?

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pjcrux|zzz:

what would cause a channel to not recognize the video signal? basically I can record from channels 2–50 but anything above 50 is static on my analog cable.

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PsychoI3oy:

nichos, /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/something/somewhere/optomize_db.pl can fix that

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nichos:

psy thanks

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nichos:

ill give that a shot

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PsychoI3oy:

nichos, lemme find the actual script

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PsychoI3oy:

perl /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl

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lucas_:

pjcrux|zzz: one too many splits?

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PsychoI3oy:

pjcrux|zzz, comcast messing with you too?

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pjcrux|zzz:

no mine is time warner

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pjcrux|zzz:

i refer to them as crime warner

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PsychoI3oy:

i get digital cable thanks to comscat

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PsychoI3oy:

not that I want it

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PsychoI3oy:

well, crap.

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PsychoI3oy:

i can record audio off the cable box if i plug it into the line-in on the soundcard, but i have to turn off the capture from the cd, which is where the other tuner is plugged in

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PsychoI3oy:

grr

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lucas_:

how are user jobs invoked? I'd like to run mine after cut points are set

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PsychoI3oy:

lucas_, same as transcodes or other jobs, usually after the recording finishes

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lucas_:

is there a way to set it to run at a different time?

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PsychoI3oy:

well, commercial flagging is a 'job' but it can start as soon as it starts recording

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nichos:

PsychoI3oy that did it!! You saved me much headache! Any idea on causes? Should I put this in a cron overnight?

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PsychoI3oy:

nichos, it happens from time to time, sometimes the com flagger hangs or a glitch in the video throws something off

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PsychoI3oy:

i don't think a daily cron job would hurt much

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PsychoI3oy:

though I haven't seen too many issues more than once a month

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nichos:

can't have it go down when my GF wants to watch one of her shows;) maybe a weekly cron

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PsychoI3oy:

heh

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justinh:

PsychoI3oy: you do know that you need a soundcard per tuner of that sort don't you? Unless you can find a soundcard whose inputs appear on entirely different devices – i.e. more than one independant capture path

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PsychoI3oy:

justinh, right

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nichos:

one last thing – is there any way to defer comm flag until 5 hours, or a set time (2am, etc?) It causes thrashing when we try and watch right after a recorded show has finished

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justinh:

or unless you ditch the framegrabber cards & get proper tuners instead

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justinh:

or unless you swap them for cards with onboard audio capture. some do have it

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PsychoI3oy:

justinh, but the pchdtv5500 has its own audio input jack on the back and doesn't need an internal cable if i run through the RF

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PsychoI3oy:

but plugging into said autio input jack just gives static

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justinh:

I'd have said it doesn't do its own capture then

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PsychoI3oy:

it shows up as its own device in alsa

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PsychoI3oy:

it's /dev/dsp1

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justinh:

I think only phillips saa devices do

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justinh:

of the framegrabber types I mean

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PsychoI3oy:

but i'm trying to hook the cable box in via composite so i can put an anenna on the typeF for HD

[13:53:45]

justinh:

fwiw I wouldn't bother doing both on one card

[13:53:51]

** PsychoI3oy stabs comcast in the face **

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** nichos joins in the stabbing **

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PsychoI3oy:

been doing analog and HD off cable until 3 days ago

[13:54:34]

PsychoI3oy:

they (were) broadcast(ing) the local HD channels in QAM256

[13:54:34]

nichos:

it's comcast customer apreciation day here in jax today – they have a thing going on downtown

[13:54:40]

justinh:

awww. welcome to how it is in the UK :)

[13:54:52]

PsychoI3oy:

nichos, it's comcast customer shafting day tomorrow in Denver

[13:55:03]

justinh:

we can't capture cable without resorting to analogue input via a STB either

[13:55:28]

PsychoI3oy:

i have a 4 foot tall antenna I was using until I found the QAM signals

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nichos:

hehe, the event probably requires a 2 year contract and will start about 4 hours after they schedule it to start – it may go in and out too

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PsychoI3oy:

nichos, heh heh heh

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PsychoI3oy:

bleh

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PsychoI3oy:

between losing HD and my IR blaster sucking on the DTA box, this sucks

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justinh:

but digital is better! (for the content providers)

[13:57:10]

justinh:

just tell them to go stuff their bills where the sun doesn't shine & invest in OTA

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PsychoI3oy:

yeah, cause they can overcompress SD and cram 6 channels in the space of 1 analog

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PsychoI3oy:

I only get 4 channels OTA

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justinh:

really? heh

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nichos:

thanks again for your help psych

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PsychoI3oy:

well there's others but I don't watch anything on them

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nichos:

cheers

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PsychoI3oy:

nichos, np

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justinh:

TV is overrated anyway :)

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PsychoI3oy:

justinh, i'm starting to think that

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justinh:

especially US network TV

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PsychoI3oy:

eh, i have favorite shows

[13:58:14]

PsychoI3oy:

though everything's winding down for the summer

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PsychoI3oy:

bleh

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** PsychoI3oy plugs back in through the rf **

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justinh:

if they're not disabling alternative methods for using their content they're cancelling stuff left right & centre

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justinh:

we're lucky in the UK.. most channels give a series the benefit of the doubt much more readily

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justinh:

or unlucky, if you want free to air HD

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lucas_:

'lucky in the UK'

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lucas_:

yeah, how are those BBC police working out for you

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

anyway there's precious little I want to watch on pay TV so we do without – and the providers lose our money :)

[14:02:21]

justinh:

if it was more open or their own systems were better – maybe we'd go back

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lucas_:

you've never run into anything remotely like this? http://vidya.dyndns.org/stuff/tv_license.jpg

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justinh:

all the stuff about the BBC 'encrypting' HD is just FUD. Nothing a few lines of code couldn't get round – and legally too

[14:03:45]

justinh:

lucas_: so?

[14:03:56]

justinh:

somebody has to pay for commercial-free teevees

[14:04:20]

justinh:

I agree the TVL lot are heavy-handed but hey, they work for the UK government

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lucas_:

'heavy-handed'

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lucas_:

elsewhere, this would basically be called extortion

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justinh:

it's not extortion

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lucas_:

'you don't have a TV license? then you're a criminal'

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justinh:

the proportion of people who don't own & use TV receiving equipment is VERY small

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justinh:

besides, UK gov is doing much worse than the tv licence stuff

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justinh:

try this – stopping & searching people – and confiscating equipment – when they take photos in public places

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lucas_:

http://vidya.dyndns.org/stuff/havealife.jpg

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lucas_:

yep, very small population – as they're all too happy to remind everyone

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justinh:

and going by the number of receivers sold vs the number of licenses.. they know who's likely to own a telly

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justinh:

when you buy TV gear you're put on their database. no way around it unless you buy 2nd hand

[14:09:29]

justinh:

yes it's a little invasive – but hey it's not the big ID card scheme the last govt wanted to bring in

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justinh:

talk about breaches of civil liberties

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justinh:

oh and govt sponsored snooping.. tapping phones & putting people under surveillance... when they're applying to send their kids to certain schools – to make sure they live where they say they do

[14:10:44]

justinh:

so if you think the TVL is BS, you don't know anything about things here

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justinh:

it's the *least* we've got to worry about

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lucas_:

yeah, it's not enough that there's cameras in every street corner and mall cops that use them to perforate some unarmed dude's head with about a dozen bullets in the middle of a crowded subway in broad daylight with almost nothing done about it

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justinh:

if I didn't have a telly & I got one of those letters I'd gladly show the buggers around my house to see for themselves. wipe the smug grin off their faces

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justinh:

s/almost//

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lucas_:

now they're going up in houses of 'undesirables'

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lucas_:

just seems completely bizarre to me

[14:13:08]

lucas_:

well, I mean

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justinh:

funny, and all the while their own statistics prove they don't reduce incidence of crime

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lucas_:

you are on #mythtv, you have a cap card

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lucas_:

those count, right?

[14:13:27]

justinh:

nor do they help solve crimes really either

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justinh:

I have er... about 6 in this house

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justinh:

3 are in use right now :)

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lucas_:

here in the US traffic light cameras are being more-or-less openly used as revenue sources

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justinh:

and the last one I bought, I was told I'd have to go on the register

[14:14:35]

justinh:

I nearly told them to shove it but remembered I *do* have a licence

[14:14:49]

justinh:

you know back in the day, before TV – they made you have a *radio* licence right?

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justinh:

and it allowed you to use a radio but only to listen to approved stations

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justinh:

we're a funny lot, us Brits

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lucas_:

maybe it's just the way things have always been

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justinh:

The only ones of us who go mad about liberty & justice are complete & utter headcases, most of em

[14:16:26]

justinh:

everybody else is alright Jack, so they don't give a monkey's

[14:16:54]

justinh:

I mean – it wasn't ME or anybody I know who got gunned down on the tube that day. Phew. Forget about it then

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justinh:

anyway I'm starting to think there are 2 sides to every conspiracy theory. what if the nuts really are just making it all up to get attention? ;-)

[14:18:29]

justinh:

where was I.. oh yeah. taking xbmc off my Joggler cos it locked it up good & hard

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: that MythTV.__version__ doesnt exist until trunk of a couple weeks ago

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wagnerrp:

its not in 0.23

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: woops thanks

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xoritor:

when i setup 2 backends can i tell them to have different local storage directories?

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xoritor:

i am guessing if i setup /srv/mythtv/default on each of them they will each use their local storage?

[15:17:51]

xoritor:

same for all of the other storage groups

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xoritor:

and if a show is not on one host it knows that it should get it from a different one?

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[R]:

huh?

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xoritor:

[R], me?

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[R]:

you're the onhly one talking...

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xoritor:

didnt know if someone was talking before me...

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xoritor:

didnt want to assume

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xoritor:

just trying to figure out storage on multiple backends

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xoritor:

and how the frontend knows where to get the shows from the backends

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[R]:

the db says which storage group its in

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[R]:

also what host its recorded on

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xoritor:

and i am guessing each "host" has its own information and so it will know if a show was on host1 get it from host1's storage group

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xoritor:

is there any way as i scale this to have a particular frontend "prefer" a particular backend?

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[R]:

the db says what backend the show was on, so if you ask for the show on the correct backend, it'll find it locally

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[R]:

if not, it'll compalin

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justinh:

ho ho ho. who'd have thought it? I've got a upnp device here which actually works with mythtv! :-O

[15:24:02]

xoritor:

ie... weighting for better hardware

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justinh:

xoritor: no you can't. not right now

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xoritor:

so if you have say 3 lower end backends and one kick @$$ backend

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xoritor:

justinh, ok thx

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[R]:

how could the frontend prefer the backend

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xoritor:

it would be cool to give them connection weighting in the db

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[R]:

where the file is determines what backend its gonna use

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justinh:

no it wouldn't help

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xoritor:

yea true

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justinh:

it *might* help, say if a frontend can't play HD, to filter out HD shows so it can't see them

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xoritor:

dont have much practice with multiple backends

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xand:

2010-05–23 20:16:25 < xoritor> when i setup 2 backends can i tell them to have different local storage directories?

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xand:

why would they be connected?

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[R]:

xoritor: its just streaming files... its not rocket science

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** xoritor is probably really overthinking it **

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Captain_Murdoch:

justinh, that may come with the multiple file support. another goal is to allow you to have both HD & SD versions of a recording and either auto-play the correct one or ask the user which one to play so they can play SD on slow frontends and HD on fast frontends.

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[R]:

xoritor: lets put it this way... hwy are you setting up multiple backends

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xoritor:

nice

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xoritor:

distribute load of comflagging, recording, and disk i/o

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justinh:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah I know that's on the drawing board, but like the mythmusic rewrite it's all behind closed doors & nobody hears about it much ;)

[15:28:20]

xoritor:

plus i have hit my limit of number of drives i can hold in the master

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[R]:

so you setup a nas or something

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[R]:

what kind of recording are you doing that there is "load"

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justinh:

yeah keeping everything you ever record is gonna cost you in HDD space :D

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Captain_Murdoch:

justinh, that's cause I'm working on something else right now. the multi-file may come in 0.25 though if I can get this other feature done for 0.24.

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xoritor:

never got good performance with nas stuff...

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[R]:

and commflagging can be done with mythjobqueue

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justinh:

xoritor: even HD is only like a few megabits/sec

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wagnerrp:

justinh: except for the email trawling for ideas about 5 months back

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justinh:

any NAS should be able to keep up with that, even split a few ways

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justinh:

I might be about to set off writing a music player app for touchscreen linux

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wagnerrp:

ooh, a ticket for me to fix

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xoritor:

1080i/720p with 4 shows recording and all of them comflagging as it records kills stuff

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[R]:

xoritor: like i said... you can do commflagging with mythjobqueue on any computer

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xoritor:

[R], sure but my thought is to turn it into another backend adding some more drive space while distributing the comflagging load and the recording load at the same time

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[R]:

[12:28:41] [R] what kind of recording are you doing that there is "load"

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xoritor:

its not the recording that is load

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xoritor:

its the comflagging that is load

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[R]:

[12:31:03] [R] xoritor: like i said... you can do commflagging with mythjobqueue on any computer

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xoritor:

like i said i am just setting it up as another backend which will encompass mythjobqueue also

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[R]:

whatever

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[R]:

your overly complicating things

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xand:

given recording uses no load (unless you have nasty analog cards) you can just one machine?

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[R]:

xand: of course

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xand:

that was a suggestion rather than a question :|

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xoritor:

is there any reason NOT to have multiple backends on multiple machines if i have the hardware (and need more storage space)

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xoritor:

?

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wagnerrp:

the backend is not designed to run tunerless

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xoritor:

i will have tuners in the slave

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xoritor:

and the master

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wagnerrp:

then no, no real reason not to

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xoritor:

so what is the problem with what i suggested?

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[R]:

who said there was a problem

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[R]:

i just said you were overly complicating things

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wagnerrp:

most people just prefer not to have to have extra hard drives and cards in their frontends

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xoritor:

oh... yea... probably... i even admitted as much

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wagnerrp:

or run the necessary cabling to get them tv

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xoritor:

these are backend only backends... the frontends are not backends as the playback of hd video takes too much of a toll on the cpu (no hardware support in them yet)

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xoritor:

:-/

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justinh:

grrr. bloody golf

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iamlindoro:

If it were bloody it'd likely be a lot more interesting

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wagnerrp:

well thats simple enough to fix

[16:47:01]

wagnerrp:

you have to finish the game with the same ball you started with

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wagnerrp:

oh, and the water hazards now have alligators

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that sounds like every single golf course around here

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justinh:

how about the greens have alligators too

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sphery:

yeah, that would be a different sport

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wagnerrp:

were not going to force the alligators there, but we wont feed them, so theyll find their own way there

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sphery:

maybe have a mote full of alligators around each green (and no bridges)

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justinh:

rats. another thing for my to-do list. extend recording time extension outside of mere categories

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johnnyj:

sphery – success !

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sphery:

nice!

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johnnyj:

i factored the "file:" out entirely

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

and the recording, etc. still works?

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johnnyj:

yep

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sphery:

so it's no longer a MPEG type (nor same ID as an MPEG type)?

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johnnyj:

does the settings editor's various pages do this thing to you where if the index value is unset (-1) then you can't edit the field unless you save and re-load the config?

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johnnyj:

it's a formally listed Demo Tuner

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johnnyj:

that uses Mpegrecorder

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sphery:

don't know about the -1

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johnnyj:

i have always had this issue on the starting channel

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sphery:

sounds like it might cause problems with Qt assertions

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johnnyj:

im dumping my deltas to a patch file and then I'll double-check this existed first

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iamlindoro:

I'm not 100% certain daniel et al will be happy with the dummy tuner being a user accessible option

[16:56:14]

iamlindoro:

personally I have no problem with it

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iamlindoro:

just a twinge of worry about resistance to the idea

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lucas_:

so, there's no event or user job that can be set up to fire right after cutpoints are altered?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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Staticwave_Ace:

hello all, I'm having some issues with the hdhomerun multirec, I'm wondering if anyone can help me?

[17:28:13]

justinh:

hmmm.. can progress bars not use shapes?

[17:28:38]

justinh:

ah. no. the wiki says so. stupid me

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GrahamIRC:

can anyone help me with editing recordings? something seems to have changed in 0.23

[17:29:43]

GrahamIRC:

you used to be able to use the up/down arrows to change the skip size of the left-right arrows

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iamlindoro:

And you still can-- editing hasn't changed

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GrahamIRC:

i.e. from 1 frame up to several minutes. but now the up/down arrows just skip 10secs and I cant seem to find how to change the skip size

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iamlindoro:

sounds like a keybinding issue

[17:30:46]

iamlindoro:

works same as always here (with default keybindings)

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GrahamIRC:

looking at the keybindings in mythweb there is no mention of skip size and up/down are listed against "10x skip" or something similar

[17:31:55]

iamlindoro:

Still a keybindings issue-- don't use mythweb for keybindings

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Staticwave_Ace:

okay, well I'll throw out my issue, I've configured each hdhomerun to have 4 tuners on it. Multirec works, but all multirec recordings have no sound, which kinda sucks :-/

[17:31:58]

iamlindoro:

use the frontend

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iamlindoro:

"TV Editing" context

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GrahamIRC:

where are the keybindings in the frontend?

[17:33:44]

iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Edit Keys

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GrahamIRC:

duh, oh yeah!

[17:34:04]

GrahamIRC:

went straight past it in to setup

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GrahamIRC:

hmmm they look the same as mythweb

[17:34:36]

GrahamIRC:

"BIGJUMPFWD"

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iamlindoro:

You have overloaded some keybindings somewhere

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iamlindoro:

meaning you have bound multiple functions to a single key

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iamlindoro:

So you need to figure out where you did that, and undo it

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GrahamIRC:

would that affect the "Actions" that are listed?

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

This is why one would not want to change bindings in mythweb

[17:36:02]

iamlindoro:

the FE will warn you and ask you not to overload keybindings, mythweb won't

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GrahamIRC:

I didn't think I had – worked ok in 0.22 & 0.21

[17:36:48]

iamlindoro:

One way or another, it's a keybinding issue-- and with default keybindings, everything works as it always has-- no easy to way to be more specific than that

[17:37:06]

GrahamIRC:

Is there a "reset to default", it may be one of the buttons at the bottom but for some reason this theme doesn't show the text on the buttons!

[17:37:37]

iamlindoro:

No reset to default

[17:37:58]

GrahamIRC:

Noted about using Mythweb for bindings and I'll be sure to use the frontend in future if I want to make changes

[17:38:40]

GrahamIRC:

ok, so is there some sql I can run to acheive a reset? I'm a bit of sql novice I'm afraid

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sphery:

GrahamIRC: I'm actually working on a reset to default keybindings patch

[17:40:47]

sphery:

but it won't be available until at least 0.24

[17:40:49]

GrahamIRC:

:-D

[17:40:52]

GrahamIRC:

:-(

[17:41:22]

GrahamIRC:

is there anything I can do to achieve the same result sphery?

[17:41:29]

sphery:

for now, shut down the mythfrontend, then: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DELETE FROM keybindings WHERE hostname = 'myhostname';"

[17:41:44]

sphery:

and don't take this to mean that randomly deleting stuff from the DB works :)

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GrahamIRC:

Oh I know better than to do that at least, and I have a daily DB backup run

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sphery:

that's good

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sphery:

backups are very important

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GrahamIRC:

yeah I have a seperate BackupPC server running that backs up all my boxes nightly

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GrahamIRC:

great little package

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sphery:

and you're doing SQL-based backups of the DB, too?

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GrahamIRC:

a dump

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sphery:

as binary backups might be completely unusable (i.e. backing up the mysql directory)

[17:45:54]

sphery:

yeah, a mysqldump is a SQL-based backup

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GrahamIRC:

BackupPC runs mysqldump prior to backing up the myth box

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sphery:

There's also: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore which does some nice things for you (like compression and rotation and stuff)

[17:47:23]

GrahamIRC:

yes I had looked at that and it looks great, but since backuppc does compression and keeps a couple of years worth of backups then I'm not sure it'll add much for me.

[17:49:45]

GrahamIRC:

in fact it does an amazing job – it's showing over 13TB of backups taking 586GB

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sphery:

yeah, SQL compresses nicely.

[17:50:27]

sphery:

Using plain old gzip (which is very fast on SQL), my 500MiB DB backups compress to about 85MiB

[17:50:28]

GrahamIRC:

sure, but that 13TB is all sorts of stuff including data and mp3 and flac

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sphery:

oh, cool

[17:50:57]

GrahamIRC:

it's a great little package – very simple and does the basics of what you need

[17:51:10]

iamlindoro:

that's what she said

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GrahamIRC:

should I shutdown mythbackend before running that sql?

[17:51:30]

GrahamIRC:

rofl@iamlindoro

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sphery:

I need to update http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/DatabaseB . . . ression.html to include a real LZMA-based compression app (lzip and plzip), and then put it on the wiki

[17:52:22]

sphery:

with a little less editorializing, obviously :)

[17:52:36]

sphery:

and cost of drive space has decreased significantly since then...

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GrahamIRC:

it sure has, and yet I always seem to need more

[17:56:27]

GrahamIRC:

just started looking at HD content...

[17:57:52]

GrahamIRC:

Thanks Sphery, that's fixed my editing problem :-)

[17:58:10]

GrahamIRC:

guess I must have changed some bindings many moons ago!

[17:59:38]

GrahamIRC:

Can anyone help me with one other problem I've just noticed? Some of the button text dont show, for example the buttons in Edit Keys and those in the Archive section

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Staticwave_Ace:

GrahamIRC: blame the theme?

[18:00:08]

GrahamIRC:

I was about to, but have tried a few themes now

[18:01:42]

sphery:

likely you've tried a few that all use the default theme fallback for those pages

[18:01:48]

sphery:

Try a *real* theme

[18:01:55]

sphery:

(i.e. Arclight :)

[18:02:12]

GrahamIRC:

metalurgy looks like it shows them

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GrahamIRC:

Arclight shows some of them (not the ones in Edit Keys)

[18:03:48]

Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: WAF says no to arclight

[18:03:51]

GrahamIRC:

looks quite funky, but not sure I can get on with it

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GrahamIRC:

Nothing seems to show the button text in Edit Keys – I wonder what they say :-)

[18:07:30]

iamlindoro:

GrahamIRC, User error

[18:07:54]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: So where's your WAF-approved theme? People complain about Arclight--the *only* complete theme--but they never actually create a complete theme...

[18:08:07]

iamlindoro:

The array of buttons are they to allow you to see which of multiple keys are bound to an action

[18:08:23]

sphery:

GrahamIRC: yeah, Arclight works great for me--and I've spent a /lot/ of time in Edit Keys with some patches I'm working on

[18:08:32]

iamlindoro:

GrahamIRC, You can bind upt to four-- the blank buttons means there's not four bindings for that action

[18:08:48]

sphery:

4 blank = no keys bound

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Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: mythbuntu theme

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GrahamIRC:

ah gotcha!

[18:09:35]

sphery:

that one is likely pretty close to done

[18:09:39]

sphery:

much better than MythCenter, at least

[18:09:44]

GrahamIRC:

yeah it usually is user error iamlindoro – I've done enough IT support in my time to know that!

[18:10:31]

GrahamIRC:

I've been using the mythbuntu theme, which I like, but it wasn't showing the button text in Archive – Metallurgy is tho so I'll use that for now

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justinh:

mythbuntu theme close to done? when I finish concept mythbuntu's days in this house will be over

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Staticwave_Ace:

so is anyone successfully using multirec with hdhomerun?

[18:12:39]

iamlindoro:

Staticwave_Ace, Lots of people

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sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: what version?

[18:12:42]

** justinh reiterates he likes arclight but the wifey she no likey **

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sphery:

trunk or 0.23-fixes?

[18:12:53]

Staticwave_Ace:

0.23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

It's a digital tuner, Myth hasn't got a whole lot of control over whether your recordings have sound

[18:13:00]

sphery:

justinh: would she likey more with a different background?

[18:13:05]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: should work fine, then

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Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: well, multirec recordings get no sound :-/

[18:13:43]

Staticwave_Ace:

I also sometimes have transcoded stuff with no sound... maybe they're related?

[18:13:46]

sphery:

hmmm... never heard of that happening

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justinh:

sphery: nah. she'd likey with bigger text, no alphapulse... quite a long list actually

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sphery:

like iamlindoro said...

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iamlindoro:

picky

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iamlindoro:

since there's one line of text in the entire UI that uses alphapulse

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, perhaps there's an issue with my transcoding setup

[18:15:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

I thought I had just turned on the default stuff

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justinh:

iamlindoro: the text size was the deal breaker

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justinh:

I was amazed I could read it on an SDTV, and that it even scaled to a 4:3 resolution :)

[18:16:28]

sphery:

yeah, IMHO Arclight squishes nicely

[18:16:48]

sphery:

I do understand the font size, though--on a small CRT-based SDTV, it would be challenging to use

[18:16:52]

justinh:

it gets unsquished again by the tv

[18:16:53]

sphery:

it's designed more for HDTV

[18:17:01]

justinh:

I can read it fine from my chair

[18:17:14]

justinh:

good telly, good eyesight

[18:17:25]

sphery:

maybe it's time to get the SO some glasses :)

[18:17:26]

GrahamIRC:

feels like a lot of wasted space tho with the pixelling things taking over half the screen

[18:17:48]

justinh:

GrahamIRC: it's designed with fanart etc in mind

[18:17:58]

GrahamIRC:

ah

[18:18:01]

sphery:

s/pixel.*screen/background exposedto allow fanart to show/

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justinh:

i.e. there's FA point getting fancy artwork & covering it all in alphablended shapes & text

[18:18:08]

GrahamIRC:

I have lots of that so I will take another look

[18:18:47]

GrahamIRC:

can you change what it shows on other menus where there is no fanart?

[18:18:51]

justinh:

AFAIK it's the only theme which actually bothers to acknowledge the artwork rather than just piddling all over it

[18:19:58]

justinh:

think graphite does too, but to a lesser extent. anyway point is only one person seems to have designed a theme with that in mind. all the others which use artwork seem like an afterthought IMHO

[18:21:08]

justinh:

I've not set up image grabbing on my new system yet, but I will be soon

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GrahamIRC:

yes that's my experience too

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GrahamIRC:

I spent hours grabbing fanart for all my videos so would be nice to see it

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justinh:

and as for some of the actual alphablending.. sheesh some themes could use more opacity

[18:21:53]

GrahamIRC:

and noticed that it seems to show it for TV recordings too

[18:22:15]

justinh:

anyhoo... enough xml bashing & pontificating. bedtime

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GrahamIRC:

g'night JustinH

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Beirdo:

yay. Yankees vs Mets... in HD... both starting pitchers are on my fantasy team... hoping for a really low scoring game

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TugboatCaptain:

so how well does mythtv support bluray?

[20:11:33]

TugboatCaptain:

if it doesn't support it that well, is there an alternative service I can use to buy HD movies?

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[R]:

TugboatCaptain: they just added some initial support for unenecrypted bluray

[20:12:05]

Beirdo:

so much for a no-hitter for the Mets... first pitch, first hit

[20:13:44]

TugboatCaptain:

so is netflix streaming comparable in selection and quality to bluray

[20:13:48]

TugboatCaptain:

?

[20:14:26]

Beirdo:

why don't you try it and tell us? :)

[20:14:44]

TugboatCaptain:

well i haven't made a mythtv box yet

[20:14:48]

Beirdo:

oh :)

[20:15:04]

TugboatCaptain:

i'm considering how i'm going to do it

[20:15:35]

Beirdo:

I haven't tried netflix yet, so I really can't help

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[R]:

you can't stream netflix in linux

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TugboatCaptain:

:(

[20:19:27]

TugboatCaptain:

but I thought there was a mythtv add-on for it

[20:20:45]

[R]:

there WAS a plugin for viewing your queue

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TugboatCaptain:

oh

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TugboatCaptain:

ok so lets see:

[20:23:43]

TugboatCaptain:

mythtv can't play most bluray discs

[20:24:06]

TugboatCaptain:

it can't play encrypted hdtv streams

[20:24:20]

TugboatCaptain:

it can't view streaming netflix

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sphery:

s#mythtv#GNU/Linux#

[20:24:31]

sphery:

the problem isn't here

[20:24:35]

sphery:

it's in the DRM

[20:24:43]

sphery:

and the fact that DRM won't accept GNU/Linux

[20:24:58]

sphery:

Digital Rights Management

[20:25:10]

sphery:

er, actually, Digital Restrictions Management

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TugboatCaptain:

but if it can't do those things, what is it good for?

[20:25:35]

sphery:

and--the worst part is--it only affects us: the people who are trying to use media legally

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[R]:

TugboatCaptain: watching tv... thats what myth is for

[20:25:47]

sphery:

TugboatCaptain: well, let's see, what is Myth*TV* for...

[20:25:50]

sphery:

Oh, TV

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sphery:

TugboatCaptain: I am not recommending doing so because it may be a federal felony offense--depending on where you live--but some people just buy BluRay discs, then use AnyDVD HD on a Windows machine to rip the content to an unencrypted backup file that MythTV can play without problems

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sphery:

Please consult a lawyer to see if local laws or restrictions make such behavior illegal in your area

[20:27:38]

TugboatCaptain:

i'm in the US where there's this thing called the DMCA

[20:27:43]

TugboatCaptain:

so yeah I think so

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TugboatCaptain:

it's illegal

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sphery:

As far as streaming netflix, you'll need something else--like a $49(???) Roku box

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sphery:

TugboatCaptain: then in that case, you'll never be able to legally play BluRay discs on a GNU/Linux box (just like playing an encrypted DVD is a federal felony offense in the US)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anydvd hd is perfectly legal for use within the US

[20:28:47]

sphery:

TugboatCaptain: So, set-top-box Blu-Ray disc players are the way to go... PS3 or whatever

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wagnerrp:

sony fought that for us in the 80s, and no judge will overturn that for the purposes of fair personal use

[20:29:20]

wagnerrp:

it IS illegal to distribute the software to do so

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sphery:

no, that's *not* covered under fair use

[20:29:25]

sphery:

it *should* be

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sphery:

but it's not currently

[20:29:43]

sphery:

because it involves breaking the DMCA--which is not allowed under fair use

[20:30:04]

wagnerrp:

i thought there was some clause in there for inter-compatibility that allowed individual users to break it for personal use

[20:30:12]

sphery:

The Librarian of Congress has been trying to get the appropriate parties to allow an exemption, but is lacking the ability to do so

[20:30:17]

sphery:

nope

[20:30:22]

sphery:

only proposals for such

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sphery:

DMCA needs to die

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sphery:

or at least the fair-use clause needs to be added

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wagnerrp:

anyway TugboatCaptain, no open source software will /EVER/ be legally licensed for use with any DRM scheme

[20:32:12]

Beirdo:

it needs disembowlment

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sphery:

Wendy S. has a great discussion of the problem--basically that the LoC is lacking the power to do what needs done, and the rest of the government was bought off

[20:32:17]

sphery:

http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2009/0 . . . earings.html

[20:32:27]

sphery:

lots of other interesting stuff at http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/category/copyright/dmca

[20:32:34]

wagnerrp:

doesnt she pop in here occasionally?

[20:32:40]

Beirdo:

yup

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sphery:

Next DMCA anti-circumvention hearing should be in May 2012....

[20:33:06]

sphery:

so, start pushing your lawmakers

[20:33:29]

Beirdo:

start bribing now...

[20:33:34]

sphery:

yeah

[20:33:54]

sphery:

really, thought, the anti-circumvention hearing probably won't be the place it has to finally be fixed

[20:34:06]

sphery:

it will need to be fixed by Congress, I think

[20:34:35]

Beirdo:

even more bribing... great

[20:34:36]

sphery:

fortunately, though, no one has (as yet) challenged AnyDVD HD

[20:35:11]

sphery:

though maybe if someone does--and if the company makes enough money or gets bought by Google or MS beforehand--it will finally fix the whole problem

[20:36:05]

Beirdo:

heh. Google BluRay?

[20:36:16]

wagnerrp:

the googleray

[20:36:17]

sphery:

heh, yeah, might be bad for YouTube :)

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Beirdo:

BluTube

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sphery:

besides, how can Google put ads on top of Blu-Rays... Oh, yeah, that's Google TV. :)

[20:36:52]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:36:55]

Beirdo:

I want one.

[20:37:01]

Beirdo:

because I like new toys

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sphery:

I want my... I want my... I want my MythTV.

[20:37:26]

Beirdo:

that too

[20:37:33]

Beirdo:

soon :)P

[20:37:39]

Beirdo:

but at least I have TV now

[20:37:41]

sphery:

MythTV provides all I need.

[20:37:58]

sphery:

just got your cable hooked up?

[20:38:05]

Beirdo:

DirecTV

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sphery:

or uverse or fios or satellite or ...

[20:38:07]

Beirdo:

yeah :)

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sphery:

ah, cool.

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Beirdo:

watching Mets vs Yankees in HD :)

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sphery:

starting to get settled in?

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Beirdo:

bit by bit.

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sphery:

cool.

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Beirdo:

baseball in 720p is nice

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sphery:

I wouldn't want to watch it in anything less :)

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Beirdo:

I could deal with it in SD if I had to, but this is so much nicer

[20:40:27]

Beirdo:

the tech that came out was actually helpful this time

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sphery:

that's unusual

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Beirdo:

so all 3 receivers are on one drop (SWM FTW)

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Beirdo:

yeah, it surprised me too

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Beirdo:

using the HD receiver on the TV directly right now... the two standard are for backup recording :)

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sphery:

cool

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Beirdo:

and I think I'll get an HVR-2250 for OTA

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Beirdo:

dual ATSC

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Beirdo:

5 tuners should be a good start

[20:42:22]

Beirdo:

OTA works nicely here, I get 17 channels on a coat hanger ;)

[20:42:37]

Beirdo:

so with a real antenna, it should be good for the locals

[20:43:08]

Beirdo:

YAY. Halladay lost.

[20:43:09]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

you mean, "YAY. LOST holiday!"

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Beirdo:

no... Halladay's on my dad's fantasy team, and this week's matchup has him against me.

[20:44:33]

Beirdo:

so seeing him lose is a good thing :)

[20:44:39]

Beirdo:

sucks for the Phillies, but meh.

[20:45:20]

Beirdo:

ESPN should give me batting points for pitchers in the NL

[20:46:29]

Beirdo:

but I'm glad... low scoring game so far... both starters are on my team, so I don't wanna see a pounding, thanks :)

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pennstatejoe74:

i'm preparing for a new ubuntu install. got some great advice here last night on partitioning scheme.

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pennstatejoe74:

quick question regarding setting up raid

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pennstatejoe74:

i'm partitioning ahead of time using gparted

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pennstatejoe74:

i want to have a raid5 array

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pennstatejoe74:

before i made 3 partitions on each disk, and the set up 3 raid 5 arrays

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pennstatejoe74:

i learned this isn't the best way, and that I should set up 1 raid5 array, and then partition that.

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pennstatejoe74:

question is... how do I do that?

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pennstatejoe74:

in gparted, I'm guessing i would setup 1 big partition as "unformatted) on each of the 3 drives and set the raid flag

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pennstatejoe74:

then create the array in terminal using mdadm commands

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pennstatejoe74:

let it sync, then reboot

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pennstatejoe74:

then i'd be able to make the partitions I want using various filesystems??

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pennstatejoe74:

just don't want to waste 2 days, letting this thing run, and sync, and format and find that I did it wrong.

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Beirdo:

OK, Sabathia... stop blowing the game!

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Bernmeister:

Having an issue with the exporting (via Optical Disks -> Archive Files). I have a recording and it has a cut list and has also been transcoded. If I view the recording within Myth the cutlist is observed (no commercials). However the exported recording still has the commercials. Any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

Does it have a cutlist, or a skiplist?

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iamlindoro:

it can not have a cutlist and still skip commercials-- a cutlist is manually applied

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Bernmeister:

iamlindoro: I think it has a cutlist (there's an icon of scissors appearing under the recording). Don't know what a skiplist is.

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Bernmeister:

iamlindoro: I manually created the cutlist myself. So when I say "it skips the commercials when I view the recording" what I mean is the cut out bits that I did myself are not showing on the recording but do show when I export/archive to file.

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Beirdo:

sphery (or others): any preferred brand of BluRay player?

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, i like sony, they invented the technology or at least a large part of it.. and you get find there low end players for $150 or less if you look.

[22:12:41]

Beirdo:

Yeah, I'm kinda wondering about Samsung as well, but Sony's high on the list so far

[22:13:42]

Beirdo:

I'd kinda like one with builtin wireless, although I'll probably buy a wireless bridge anyways

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, since you are allready going to have wired networking for best myth peformance... why not just go with wired.... wireless rarely keeps geeks happy in stable computer setups...

[22:15:29]

jamesd_:

wireless is for laptops and ipod touches..

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Beirdo:

wireless is perfectly fine.

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Beirdo:

my internet connection is only 7mbit/860k anyways

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Beirdo:

and the BluRay would be to connect to the internet, not myth

[22:18:50]

Beirdo:

internal network is not the issue

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jamesd_:

i guess i just have bad combination.. my "N" class wireless has too many errors even when i'm in the same room with the wifi router... so i always prefer wired if decives that don't move.

[22:19:34]

Beirdo:

well, I don't want ugly wires to trip over

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Beirdo:

I might run one up and over the doorway later though

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jamesd_:

but bluray player is right next to your mythfront end i would assume... so not even an extra cable and you may have a xbox 360 or ps3 at the same location....

[22:20:12]

Beirdo:

yeah, but the mythbox will be connected to the internet via wireless

[22:20:24]

Beirdo:

as the DSL modem is not where the mythbox will be

[22:20:33]

Beirdo:

although I MIGHT run a cable later

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wagnerrp:

a single system?

[22:20:47]

sphery:

Beirdo: I don't even have a BluRay player. I'm boycotting Blu for now because of the DRM. :)

[22:20:48]

Beirdo:

for the moment, there is no system :)

[22:21:09]

Beirdo:

but the TV, the DirecTV receiver... both have ethernet

[22:21:22]

Beirdo:

so I will be dropping in a switch anyways, and bridging it to wireless

[22:21:37]

Beirdo:

or running that cable up and over the door

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Beirdo:

wish they sold beige cat5 ;)

[22:22:21]

Beirdo:

maybe I'll find a box of it, who knows

[22:22:31]

jamesd_:

i love bluray because my son works at blockbuster (10 free rentals a week) , and picture is just so damm awesome... i even watched both toy story movies on bluray and the picture differences blow me away... even makes wizard of OZ amazing after seeing it on dvd and tv numerous times.

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jamesd_:

Beirdo, they probably have it on ebay...

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Beirdo:

I'm not gonna shop on ebay though. too many idiot snipers

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Beirdo:

and bend-over shipping

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Beirdo:

I may look though. hehe

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jamesd_:

i don't bid on autions i do buy it now... sort by lowest shipping+price ... better deals that you find anywhere else usually...

[22:26:21]

jamesd_:

hmm you can buy the beige bulk cable.. but only one guy sells premade cable with it and he has 10x 7ft cables... so not an option.

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Beirdo:

being able to stream netflix, etc on the BluRay player can be sweet

[22:26:45]

Beirdo:

I don't want premade cables

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Beirdo:

I wish I knew where my crimper is though :) may have to buy a new one

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jamesd_:

about $100 for 1000ft box of beige.

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Beirdo:

beige matches the walls better than blue

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jamesd_:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Indoor-Outdoor-UV-Protect . . . em1c0ce04be7

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Beirdo:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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Beirdo:

or I can do that

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Beirdo:

cheaper cable, cheaper shipping

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jamesd_:

yes... beige is a custom color... so and is indoor/outdoor cable so more than normal.

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Beirdo:

and they have crimpers for $5 too

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jamesd_:

i should learn how to make cables... its not hard just tedious and when you are building out stuff i hate adding another variable to the mix "did i make the cable right, is it flakey"

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I used to be able to make a cable in about 30s

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Beirdo:

not too tedious, really

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wagnerrp:

not bad

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wagnerrp:

i think i paid 140 for my kft of cat6

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Beirdo:

comes with making so dang many of them

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Beirdo:

nice

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wagnerrp:

but its stranded, i hate stranded

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Beirdo:

yeah... solid's about the same price

[22:36:23]

Beirdo:

stranded's more pliable

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Beirdo:

so easier to run along baseboards and around corners and all

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wagnerrp:

solids less pliable

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wagnerrp:

so worthwhile to de-twist and use for cable ties

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

true there

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wagnerrp:

im serious, ive spent about 30ft of that box on cable ties

[22:37:29]

wagnerrp:

i use that stuff for everything

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya

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wagnerrp:

get a box cutter and strip the sheath

[22:38:13]

wagnerrp:

chuck one end up to a cordless drill

[22:38:17]

wagnerrp:

and depress the trigger

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wagnerrp:

~5m per 100ft of cable ties

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

I'll use nylon cable ties, I think

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wagnerrp:

s/5m/5minutes/

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Beirdo:

but that is cool

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jamesd_:

and its getting to the point where every decent electronic device would like network connectivity.... reciever, bluray, game console, TVs(wont be long) migth as well just put a small switch in the tv rack.

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wagnerrp:

a number of TVs will already act as a UPNP player

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Beirdo:

mine will

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Beirdo:

it has ethernet

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Beirdo:

I'm going to have a switch anyways. Just a matter of how I wire that to the DSL modem, really

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bcgrown:

anyone know of a cheap USB fm tuner that can be controlled via command line in linux? don't need any tv capabilities

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