Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 25th, 2010, 00:01 AST

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drdelaney:

i was wondering if anyone could help with some weird issues i am having on a gentoo based mythbox with thumbnail images not showing up in mythweb

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drdelaney:

anyone?

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wagnerrp:

generally you wait more than 30 seconds for a response before getting impatient

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drdelaney:

i can play the arogant game too, but i was just asking and not freaking out.

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wagnerrp:

im not being arrogant, im simply stating that there are not always active people in this channel, and those that are active may have no idea what your problem is or how to solve it

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wagnerrp:

ask your question, wait around, maybe go idle and do something else, leave it on overnight

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wagnerrp:

if after an hour or two with no response, new people will have shuffled in, others who dont check the backlog may have become active again, youll get a fresh audience for your question

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drdelaney:

perhaps i just need a fresh mind with some sleep. ill try tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

right after i tell him to leave the computer logged in overnight to see if someone responds....

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wagnerrp:

people just dont listen

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Shadow__X:

:)

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Shadow__X:

some people rather do what they planned to do all along

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wagnerrp:

then why waste our time?

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Shadow__X:

thats not the a question i can answer

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wagnerrp:

you see? this is why people who try to help the community get jaded so easily

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh yeah i see and agree its rediculous

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mahr83:

do either of you know apache, it is failing to start, "invalid command Order"

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Shadow__X:

i know google

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Shadow__X:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apache+invalid+command+order

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wagnerrp:

try in #apache, or maybe the channel for your distro

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wagnerrp:

looks like an improper install

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wagnerrp:

missing some apache module

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wagnerrp:

your distro channel should be able to help you resolve this

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wagnerrp:

hah... study has shown that the google consumed some 4.8M man hours above average, during the day that it had the pac-man doodle, resulting in some $120M in costs to companies due to lost productivity

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Shadow__X:

awesome

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mahr83:

thanks, I'm thinking along the same lines, just dont know what to fix.

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mahr83:

thanks, turns out that my /etc/make.conf apache2_modules list was wrong, i was using foo-1 and the format was foo_1

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mahr83:

maybe a change from an old format... was a pretty outdated machine, anyways thanks for the help

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[R]:

blah

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[R]:

i havent worked on my patch at all today

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Tanthrix:

Bah at linux audio.

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Tanthrix:

I now recall why I've never attempted to do 5.1 surround sound with myth before.

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Tanthrix:

Killing pulseaudio once and for all helped, but now when I do speaker-test I get front right / front left over analog, and rears over digital fronts

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justinh:

I'm not looking fwd to configuring digital sound on my 0.23 setup

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Tanthrix:

justinh: You aware of any good alsa docs on setting up surround?

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Tanthrix:

For instance, lots of references to speaker-test out there. Not a damn thing about what to do when "LEFT FRONT" comes out of "REAR RIGHT"

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justinh:

I won't be using analogue

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justinh:

in the past it's all just worked (tm) by setting myth to use the right devices

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justinh:

oh I mean I WILL be using analogue for conventional stereo, but surround will be digital only

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Tanthrix:

That is what I'm working towards, but right now digital doesn't work

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justinh:

and hopefully sending pulse back to the dark ages where it came from

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Tanthrix:

Doing speaker test on iecdoes nothing, while surround51 does fronts on analog, rear on digital fronts, and center / sub on nothing

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justinh:

s/pulse/retarded\-audio\-daemon/

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Tanthrix:

It's all garbage

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justinh:

not that I've ever tried to do digital surround on windows, mind

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, I guess I haven't either

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Tanthrix:

but I have done digital out, with ease

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justinh:

tick checkbox, restart, er.. reinstall drivers, restart, tick checkbox, restart..

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justinh:

yeah me too

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Tanthrix:

It's funny how much linux in general has advanced in some ways (especially myth, ivtv, etc..) yet sound is still complate crap

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justinh:

I keep saying I WILL PAY MONEY to get good audio support into linux

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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justinh:

club together, hire competent devs for a year. sort it out once & for all!

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justinh:

competent devs who don'

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justinh:

who don't give a stuff about people who want bluetooth headsets to work ;)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

Well, at least I got pulse removed tonight. I have accomplished something

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justinh:

heh

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Tanthrix:

Took ubuntu-desktop along with it

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Tanthrix:

hope I didn't need that

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justinh:

it's a harmless meta package, so they say

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Tanthrix:

everything is working fine thus far

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justinh:

this fascination with pulseaudio has to stop

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justinh:

at least until they make it work properly

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Tanthrix:

I don't get it

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Tanthrix:

it seems like everyone hates it

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justinh:

muh, but you get in-duh-vidual application vol controls, like wot winduz 7 has

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justinh:

except that you've got to open audio preferences to get to it. nasty

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Tanthrix:

"Low-latency operation[citation needed] and support for latency measurement" heh!

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justinh:

I think there has to come a time when linux audio has to stop pandering to people who have devices without hardware mixing

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Tanthrix:

"When first adopted by the distributions PulseAudio developer Lennart Poettering described it as "the software that currently breaks your audio"."

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justinh:

like no hardware mixing, no simultaneous audio

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Tanthrix:

This is putting a stink upon what should otherwise be an extremely happy purchase of new speakers.

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Dar1us:

or it could just mix it in the kernel and stop changing APIs..

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justinh:

alsa is no more! welcome to asla! NO! don't use asla, use SALA! Pah! SALA sucks, you need LASA! etc, ad infinitum

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justinh:

grr. this hardware designer bloke is annoying. "connect the other end of L53 to any convenient 3v3 point". what a ***k

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justinh:

er no. YOU have the design tools, YOU can tell me where the nearest 3v3 point is to the device I'm wiring to

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justinh:

doesn't help that the PDF schematics I've got don't actually contain any text

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lapion:

Hello, If I am watching a show being recorded, if I exit does the recording stop ?

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highzeth:

lapion: is that a recording you scheduled, or something you watch via livetv? if the first, it will not stop, if the latter it will(unless you press R, then it will record the current livetv session)

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lapion:

I scheduled the recording, and I wasn't watching the screen while the recording started so I did not answer the dialog box, so I do not know what option was selected from the dialogbox however the channel was changed.\

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lapion:

on a seperate system I see that the tuner is watching live TV

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highzeth:

so you got 1 tuner in your system(s)?

[06:25:07]

lapion:

that last is under the tuner status

[06:25:15]

lapion:

yes

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highzeth:

there is a setting somewhere that will allow livetv to take over scheduled recordings, sounds like you triggered that via the dialogue box

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lapion:

highzeth, yes I have only one tuner

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lapion:

I was not looking at the system so it took the default option

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highzeth:

I dont know what the default option is, rarely watch livetv and got enough tuners to not have to worry about it. So you should decide what it most important, schedules or livetv and set your options accordingly. =)

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lapion:

now I am afraid to exit the live view, because the last time all I found was what was recorded up to the moment I exited

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highzeth:

if you are in livetv and want the current channel recorded, press R

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justinh:

only one tuner? not even worth having mythtv!

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lapion:

well I have no tv..

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justinh:

if all you want to do is watch TV, personally I'd use something else. one tuner certainly won't leave you much room when scheduling recordings

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lapion:

too bad current status of tvcard drivers don't allow the duo card to watch dvb ( only 3 free to air channels) and the analog tuner of my dual tuner card..

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Dar1us:

I wrote off the analogue part of mine

[06:31:43]

Dar1us:

but I didn't see much point in it anyway

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Dar1us:

dual DVB is enough forme :)

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highzeth:

lapion: errr you sure thats a driver issue and not the tuner having a shared demod?

[06:32:27]

lapion:

I have analogue cabel, and digital free to air is limited to 3 ( albeit very good ) channels

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lapion:

nope I have in the past watched both cards at the same time with 2 apps

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highzeth:

oh analogue, missed that part

[06:34:44]

highzeth:

Dar1us: yeah, there has come quiet a few nice dual dvb tuners lately

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lapion:

however if I try the same under mythtv I get very distorted signal on analogue even if the digital is not activated

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highzeth:

I can only speak for dvb-s(2), there is nothing on dvb-t I cant get on dvb-s, so not been an option

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Dar1us:

anyone experienced myth ignoring key input?

[06:36:30]

Dar1us:

but the mouse and IR still work

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lapion:

you can alt-tab

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Dar1us:

I've tried clicking on the window, no change..

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lapion:

it happens if you use channel browsing and change a channel and then edit the channel

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lapion:

turn off channel browsing

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Dar1us:

I find it happens watching movies & live TV with the internal player

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Dar1us:

I wouldn't really care except my IR receiver is only detected 30% of teh time :(

[06:39:24]

lapion:

hmm lirc is a different problem

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highzeth:

ugh, flakey IR is no fun, you can say whatever you want about MS products, but atleast their MCE remotes(and receivers) are solid

[06:42:12]

Dar1us:

well this one was solid before I upgraded :)

[06:42:16]

Dar1us:

software issue

[06:42:23]

Dar1us:

not LIRC, the IR code for the tuner doesn't see it

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Dar1us:

although LIRC _is_ annoying

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highzeth:

hmm thats ubuntu latest & 'greatest'?

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Dar1us:

9.x

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Dar1us:

might try 10

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Dar1us:

if I can stomach the thought of more time finding what APIs are broken :(

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lapion:

Dar1us, I sometimes have problems with remotes while pl/tl lamps are heating up

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highzeth:

I have seen others report having issues with LIRC post lucid upgrades. I have upgraded my BE's that run ubuntu, but the FE's are still on Jaunty. They work, I dont fanzy breaking them. =)

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lapion:

Dar1us, what vga-card does your system have ?

[06:45:46]

lapion:

Dar1us, if not i915 or newer don't even go there..

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lapion:

that is if your vga card is and Intel

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lapion:

intel card i8xx are flaky

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justinh:

meh. what FUD

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justinh:

all intel crap is flaky

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highzeth:

they push out some decent CPU's & NIC's

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justinh:

I meany GPUs

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justinh:

*meant

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highzeth:

then dont say *all* ;)

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justinh:

I like my intel CPUs

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justinh:

hate integrated graphics

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lapion:

I have one i965 have not had any problems yet

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highzeth:

concur

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justinh:

the intel linux drivers have improved lately but they still underperform compared to others

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lapion:

onl;y the i855 is displaying strange behaviour..

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justinh:

dunno if it's drivers or just lame hardware though

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lapion:

might be overheating.

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lapion:

un cooled laptop chipsets

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justinh:

nah mine's cooled

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justinh:

plus intel has always performed very poorly at gl etc

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lapion:

justinh, what intel chipset do you have ?

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justinh:

got 2, can't remember what either of them are. they're both crap & relatively new

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justinh:

used to have a frontend with i815 inside & had to use IEGD to make it work. nasty

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justinh:

they're all ok til you try & do video playback – then you have to become a magician to stop the video tearing

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justinh:

and don't even think about using gl video rendering

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justinh:

not even at SDTV resolutions

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justinh:

it's funny but on my frontend machine I've got to use a resolution of 800x600 because the intel driver can't do widescreen modes *and* use tvout

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justinh:

so mythtv has to be told it's a different aspect

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lapion:

How do I start postprocessing of shows ?

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lapion:

everyone's afk ?

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justinh:

probably more like watching idly as people as questions they can find answers to in the docs or wiki

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EruditeHermit:

hello, can I ssh-tunnel my mythtv to a computer with mythfrontend not on the same lan (i.e. somewhere on the internet)

[07:39:25]

justinh:

you could but you wouldn't be very smart to do so

[07:39:40]

EruditeHermit:

how come?

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justinh:

even SDTV needs a few megabits upload speed

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Dar1us:

EruditeHermit: easier to run the frontend on that machine and have it connect to the backend

[07:39:59]

Dar1us:

and much more efficient

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Dar1us:

that way it only sends around mpeg2 streams rather than raw video

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justinh:

easier, but no more smart

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EruditeHermit:

Dar1us, wait, run the frontend and backend on the same machine?

[07:41:02]

EruditeHermit:

how does that achieve the goal?

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justinh:

EruditeHermit: no he means put mythtv out over the VPN & use a remote mythfrontend

[07:41:16]

EruditeHermit:

yeah that is what I wanted to do

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Dar1us:

EruditeHermit: huh? no

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justinh:

anyway, still NOT a good idea

[07:41:31]

Dar1us:

EruditeHermit: run the front end on what you want to view it on

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EruditeHermit:

yeah

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Dar1us:

oh not on the same lan I see

[07:41:46]

Dar1us:

well you could

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Dar1us:

I imagine

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justinh:

you will need upload speed at home of at least > 4Mbit/sec realistically

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EruditeHermit:

yeah

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EruditeHermit:

lets say I have that

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justinh:

then it's STILL not something smart people would do

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Dar1us:

shouuld work..

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justinh:

get a slingbox instead

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EruditeHermit:

won't I have the same problem with slingbox?

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Dar1us:

although it might be a bit tricky sine I think the front ends connect directly to the mysql server

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justinh:

EruditeHermit: sling devices can adapt to changing conditions

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Dar1us:

slingbox is geared to do it

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Dar1us:

in theory mythweb could do it but the player is a bit lame

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justinh:

with mythtv you get what you record

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Dar1us:

although there are links to stream files

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Dar1us:

but you can't transcode on the fly or anything

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justinh:

and anyway.. come on..place-shifting? ROFLMAO

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EruditeHermit:

hrm?

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Dar1us:

http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/

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Dar1us:

justinh: why not?

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Dar1us:

its a cool idea

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justinh:

no it's not a cool idea

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Dar1us:

kjust because _you_ don't want it doesn't mean it's dumb

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justinh:

yes it does!

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EruditeHermit:

that looks awesome

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justinh:

either way it's not something we endorse or support here as a general rule

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justinh:

it's not an intended use case of mythtv

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Dar1us:

?!

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** Dar1us wonders who "we" is **

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justinh:

the channel regulars & the project as a whole AFAICT

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EruditeHermit:

hrm

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EruditeHermit:

I'll check out the streaming plugin

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justinh:

mythstreamtv is an unsupported 3rd party plugin

[07:46:52]

EruditeHermit:

but as to the original question

[07:47:01]

EruditeHermit:

just curious how I could ssh tunnel it

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justinh:

yes you CAN do it, but it's not a very good idea

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Dar1us:

right so that's why mythweb has an flv trancoder and links to streamable video..?

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justinh:

you can find out how to ssh tunnel stuff elsewhere

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justinh:

Dar1us: experimental & unsupported

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EruditeHermit:

well I know how to ssh tunnel ports

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justinh:

EruditeHermit: so tunnel mythtv's ports & mysql through it then

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EruditeHermit:

so if I tunnel 6543 6544 is that enough?

[07:48:06]

EruditeHermit:

then I set mythfrontend to look at localhost?

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Dar1us:

EruditeHermit: try it and see

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EruditeHermit:

what port is mysql?

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justinh:

no, mythfrontend will want to see mythbackend at its IP address

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justinh:

3306 IIRC

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Dar1us:

run lsof on the frontend proc and see :)

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justinh:

so you've already got problems, making mythfrontend see the backend at the right IP address

[07:49:55]

justinh:

and the mysql server

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justinh:

if you can work around that it might work

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EruditeHermit:

well I don't want to open those ports to the web

[07:51:16]

EruditeHermit:

so I thought if I forward the correct ports to my local machine

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EruditeHermit:

then I could point mythfrontend to my local machine

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EruditeHermit:

and it would work

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justinh:

well it wouldn't

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EruditeHermit:

am I misunderstanding?

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justinh:

say your backend lives on a LAN IP of 192.168.1.100 right?

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EruditeHermit:

why would I have to point it to the real IP of the backend

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EruditeHermit:

ok

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justinh:

because that is what is stored in the settings

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justinh:

or maybe it works properly with hostnames now I don't know, but it never used to

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justinh:

mythfrontend looks in the database to find out where the backend is

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justinh:

so it goes in the database, finds the backend IP is 192.168.1.100 & tries to connect to it. Uhoh

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EruditeHermit:

so you are saying because the backend has an IP in its mythtv-setup the frontend has to match that IP?

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justinh:

if hostnames now work you could maybe get around it

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EruditeHermit:

hrm

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justinh:

I wouldn't bet my house on it though

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EruditeHermit:

even with hostnames it would be a similar problem

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EruditeHermit:

let us say my backend is on X

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highzeth:

you could have setup a vpn and tested your pipes by now, why bother with ssh tunnels?

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EruditeHermit:

my frontend is Y

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justinh:

that's the other thing.. encrypting that much traffic is gonna be a load

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EruditeHermit:

so VPN is a better option?

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justinh:

better option is not to bother :P

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EruditeHermit:

let us say it was for fun and not necessarily as a real solution

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EruditeHermit:

just to test that it is possible

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EruditeHermit:

and that some day it might be practical

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justinh:

weird way to have fun

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highzeth:

yes its possible, and yes it works fine if you got a good pipe & good route between

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EruditeHermit:

I should have that

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EruditeHermit:

and it would be a really cool thing to try

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highzeth:

so why not just try?

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justinh:

anyway being a hermit, I'd have thought you only have the ONE place.. and you never leave it

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EruditeHermit:

highzeth, you are suggesting try the VPN?

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justinh:

the irony ;-)

[07:59:19]

EruditeHermit:

I tried the ssh tunneling but it didn't work so well

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EruditeHermit:

justinh, thats why I have to bring things to me!

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highzeth:

EruditeHermit: in this scenario, absolutely

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justinh:

the story, it changes constantly. first ask if ssh tunneling is possible, then say you've tried it already. meh

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highzeth:

heh yeah

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EruditeHermit:

well I just tried forwarding those 3 ports

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EruditeHermit:

and then changing it to localhost in frontend

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EruditeHermit:

but then we ran into the mismatch between frontend and backend settings

[08:02:53]

EruditeHermit:

which I am not sure there is an easy way to solve

[08:03:02]

EruditeHermit:

so VPN might be a better solution

[08:05:41]

EruditeHermit:

ah I have to go

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EruditeHermit:

thanks for the suggestions

[08:05:58]

EruditeHermit:

I'll try them again a little later

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wagnerrp:

justinh: no... no hostnames still

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wagnerrp:

so tunneling through ssh is a poor option because encryption on all that data throughput is a tough task

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wagnerrp:

instead using a VPN solution (which encrypts) would be better?

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** wagnerrp fails to see the logic **

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** justinh fails to see the logic in placeshifting **

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justinh:

if ever I'm not at home it's generally cos I have something better to do than watch teevees :)

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justinh:

and anything 'cool' has absolutely ZIP to do with computers

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wagnerrp:

there is that too

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justinh:

I see enough of them when I'm at work or home. I don't wanna see em when I go out!

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lapion:

set\

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lapion:

ooop

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lapion:

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lapion:

Ok the recordings I made are not moved to recording folder, what's wrong ?

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xand:

moved? they get saved straight there

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lapion:

hmm not if the recording starts while viewing live-tv

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be suprised if there was any code that moved between storage groups

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lapion:

I set e recording,

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justinh:

what difference does it make where the file is?

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lapion:

and while watching livetv the system went into recording mode, only it did not save the file in the recording folder

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wagnerrp:

correct, it saved it in the livetv folder

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justinh:

livetv IS a recording

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wagnerrp:

since thats where it was originally stored to

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justinh:

if you specify different SGs for livev & general recordings yes it'll store them in different places

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wagnerrp:

all setting it as a recording did was flip a few flags on the backend

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k-man:

whats the key to bring up the program guide when watching a recording?

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** justinh renames the channel to #mythtv-people-who-can't-be-arsed-to-read-the-manual **

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wagnerrp:

lapion: you can submit a ticket, but all it will do is get closed as a feature request

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wagnerrp:

its not a bug, its intended behavior

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lapion:

yeah but the next program, which I set for recording, ( back to back on the same channel ) was not kept but expunged

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k-man:

justinh: ok, good point

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wagnerrp:

were they overlapping?

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wagnerrp:

did you have a pre-roll set on the next recording?

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lapion:

nope they where not overlapping

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wagnerrp:

then it should have recorded

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wagnerrp:

unless you kept livetv open

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lapion:

and no I did not set pre-roll

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wagnerrp:

in which case livetv may have pre-empted the recording

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lapion:

I kept live tv open..

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wagnerrp:

unless you had multiple tuners that it could use instead

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lapion:

live tv has a lower priority set

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lapion:

single tuner..

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lapion:

the first program it did keep, only the second one got erased

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lapion:

er delted

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wagnerrp:

erased? or never recorded in the first place?

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wagnerrp:

it only would have deleted the file if you ran out of room and it had to autoexpire something

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lapion:

well only got saved during live recording

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lapion:

nope have space

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lapion:

how do I set up postprocessing ?

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justinh:

what kind of postprocessing? user jobs? read the manual

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justinh:

transcoding? read the manual

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justinh:

commflagging? read the manual

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justinh:

a pattern emerges

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justinh:

when you've read the instructions & you have questions about it, then ask here

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lapion:

Well I found options for transcoding all thru the menus, even though there was no mythtranscode installed, so am I wrong to make an asumption ?

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justinh:

mythtranscode is built-in

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justinh:

but it won't work until you configure the transcoding profiles. the wiki docs say that I think

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k-man:

ok, refering back to my stupid question before, i'll ask it properly now... when i bring up the Program Finder by pressing # while watching a recording it seems to show it but under the current recording, so i can't actually see it

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k-man:

anyone else had that problem? could it be caused by the window manager?

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justinh:

there's no video window for the program finder

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wagnerrp:

i remember something about that being fixed months ago

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justinh:

the programme GUIDE, sure

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justinh:

but not the FINDER

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k-man:

justinh: what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: hes saying the UI comes up /under/ the currently playing video

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wagnerrp:

so he cant use it

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k-man:

wagnerrp: exactly

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k-man:

and you access the finder by pressing #

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wagnerrp:

there was some issue with the guide some time back

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wagnerrp:

i thought it got fixed

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wagnerrp:

are you running 0.22?

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k-man:

no, .23-fixes from svn

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k-man:

and i just did an svn update

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justinh:

shouldn't myth exit the player & bring up the finder if you do that though?

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justinh:

since there's no live video widget for the programme finder

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justinh:

or maybe there is a live video thingy for it now

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justinh:

pfft. what do I care? I don't even use live tv :)

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k-man:

justinh: fwiw, i used to use this function in .22 and it worked fine

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k-man:

its not live tv, its while watching a recording

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justinh:

wouldn't it exit the player though?

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k-man:

no, it doesn't (or at least didn't in .22

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justinh:

no idea what 0.22 did. never used that either

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k-man:

actually, it doesn't in .23 either

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justinh:

so does it even pause playback?

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k-man:

yeah, pauses, and then resumes once you press escape

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justinh:

ah ok. was gonna say.. that'd be annoying :)

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k-man:

so – can anyone confirm if it happens on their system?

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justinh:

yeah happens here on my base ubuntu 0.23 out of date -fixes

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k-man:

ok, so its a bug?

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justinh:

might already be fixed in -fixes

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justinh:

this is an old package. new by 10.04 standards but not actually up to date

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justinh:

I remember seeing a ticket about something like this a while back

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k-man:

no, i just installed fixes from svn

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k-man:

like an hour ago

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justinh:

from the output of mythfrontend it's playing video, then I hit # & it loads schedule-ui.xml twice, then it reports more about video playback

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justinh:

ah that's why, my schedule-ui.xml doesn't have the progfind window yet :)

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justinh:

so, looks like something is happening in the wrong order

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justinh:

or at the wrong time

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k-man:

justinh: what theme are you using?

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justinh:

over my nx session I can see the finder momentarily if I click on the screen

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justinh:

k-man: my own theme, which I am 'not' doing, and I will never release

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k-man:

oh, ok

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justinh:

that's weird. mouse clicks are actually working underneath the paused video

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justinh:

just checked. it's not a theme issue

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k-man:

thats good, its a bug!

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justinh:

the mythui port of the osd might just mop this one up

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iamlindoro:

It's very likely. It fundamentally changes all of that

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iamlindoro:

ie, the rendered video is done through a MythUI painter so window ordering should be as consistent as anywhere else

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justinh:

has anybody with intel video tested the branch yet?

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justinh:

might have to take it for a spin, in the name of research

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justinh:

s/research/self-interest/

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iamlindoro:

I have intel video, but have only tested it on my development system, which is nVidia

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justinh:

aww rats I don't have a spare system anymore

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justinh:

need a bigger laptop hdd so I don't have to rely on rubbish wifi nfs

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wagnerrp:

would an i810 suffice?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: if it works on there....

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wagnerrp:

surely intel video hasnt improved much in the last decade

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justinh:

I tried the gl video renderer on my i945(ish) frontend the other day. it sucked as bad as watching over VNC

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BLZbubba:

the intel 3d does a decent job on xscreensaver and compiz. and that's about it.

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justinh:

ah wait that was prolly before I disabled the other output with xrandr. maybe it'll be better now

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k-man:

justinh: what's the eta on the mythui port of the osd?

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justinh:

you get tired of messing with playback profiles

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justinh:

k-man: same eta as everything else. when it's ready!

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k-man:

justinh: course!

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wagnerrp:

argghhh

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justinh:

prolly in time for 0.24 though :)

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wagnerrp:

i think ive got an organization im happy with, and there it is, another circular dependency

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** wagnerrp longs for C-style prototyping **

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wagnerrp:

or just decent importing

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k-man:

justinh: just tried bringing up the program guide using S and that has the same problem too

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justinh:

remind me never to go to nick rout's house for a dinner party. playing music when you've got guests round... oof

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wagnerrp:

they play rob zombie, as their eat the neighbors

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justinh:

just another example of how music is undervalued these days. background drizzle. Meh!

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k-man:

so regarding that bug, should i raise a ticket? what do you think?

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justinh:

I think it's home time

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k-man:

ok well, its bed time here

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k-man:

night all

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akel:

hi

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akel:

why i don't be able to perform channel scan?

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akel:

someone can help me?

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akel:

i use mythbuntu 10.04

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akel:

s2–360 dvb card

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akel:

i see channel whith mplayer

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akel:

bun i don'see with mythbuntu

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akel:

can you help me?

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akel:

i read guide tu setup

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akel:

anyone online?

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wagnerrp:

205 people are

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lapion:

some live-tv copy-protections schemes are soo easy to deafeat

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** iamlindoro checks ammo **

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akel:

anyone help me?

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iamlindoro:

lapion: I suggest reading the channel rules before going any further

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lapion:

I am not going any further into it..

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iamlindoro:

And please refrain from any such remark in the future

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iamlindoro:

as even that is a violation of our rules

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lapion:

oik

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akel:

anyone of 205 people can help me?

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wagnerrp:

akel: not many people in here use DVB-S, far fewer use S2

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wagnerrp:

ask your question, wait for a response, ask again in a couple hours if none has come

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wagnerrp:

or ask on the mailing list

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highzeth:

akel: how far did you get in setting up the tuner, source & scanning for channels?

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akel:

highzeth:I configured capture card — video source ---> input connection

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akel:

then diseq

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akel:

and then channel scan

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highzeth:

does it come up with a error as soon as you hit the scanning screen?

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akel:

yes

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akel:

i try to import channel.conf

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highzeth:

try to add a valid transponder & check the box that say something along the lines of discover/autoadd new transponders

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akel:

the channel.conf is filled whith command scan hotbird>channle.conf

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akel:

i try it

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akel:

i receive the message anyone channel...

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highzeth:

emm not sure I follow you, you tried to add a single transponder before the scan?

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wagnerrp:

have you actually tried scanning in mythtv? or just try to import a channels.conf?

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akel:

i try to scan in mytv

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akel:

how ai set the trasponder?

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: I had a similar issue, unless it was fed a valid transponder on the said satelitte, it would instantly show a general error

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akel:

where i can read howto set a valid trasponder?

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akel:

in my try i set defalt setting for scan...

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highzeth:

akel: gimme a few, I need to fire up the setup, cannot recall the naming used

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highzeth:

hotbird, 13E right?

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akel:

yes

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highzeth:

ok, so full scan (tuned), frequency: 11054000

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highzeth:

polarity horizontal

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highzeth:

symbolrate 27500000

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highzeth:

FEC 5/6

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highzeth:

leave rest as-is and try

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akel:

ok thanks

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akel:

i try it tonight ...

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akel:

i now not are in my house

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akel:

...sorry for my bad english

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highzeth:

no worries, good luck

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akel:

where i can find you?

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highzeth:

you take left at the first turn, follow the moon for ~10 hours, Im the geezer laughing on the left side of the road

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highzeth:

or here ;)

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akel:

-:)

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akel:

thanks

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akel:

have you some link ...howto s2 whith hotbird....

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highzeth:

as long as it locks on the above transponder it will search for any other on hotbird, incl S2

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highzeth:

or did you mean something besides scanning?

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akel:

no at this moment i want only see some channel...

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akel:

whith command mplayer dvb://"RAI1" i can see the video very well

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akel:

i don't be able with mythtv

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highzeth:

well, follow the approach of adding a working transponder before the scan, and you should get lock & loaded perty fast

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akel:

ok

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highzeth:

http://www.lyngsat.com/hotbird.html you can find the various transponders there. The one I used above is for ZDF (among others), but any other FTA will do the job

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johnnyj:

oh – I am happy to report I came home yesterday and found my other half watching recorded content

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johnnyj:

it seems the nasty browsing habit may be on the decline

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wagnerrp:

how could a FUSE filesystem possibly be faster than NFS

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justinh:

johnnyj: what does it say now? get better hardware NOOB! ? ;-)

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oobe:

i have a small problem where i scanned for changes on my remote frontend while my shares wernt mounted and i lost all my metadata

[12:55:19]

oobe:

what is the best way to get the metadata tables only out of my last good backup

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oobe:

i ask this cause if i restore the whole thing i will have to restore the recordings

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justinh:

maybe the new db restore script can do induh-viddy-yall tables

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johnnyj:

justinh – i reflected on 'quit being so cheap!'

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oobe:

this thread gives me the idea for what tables i should do

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oobe:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13011 . . . ta-only.html

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** wagnerrp is glad to have helped **

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pak0:

good evening

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pak0:

i have my remote working, and i have removed all lirc entries under synaptic, is a remote from hvr 3000 on devinput

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WE WANT TO ASK YOU!

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nimpy:

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nimpy:

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\ L \ OR

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nimpy:

_\ R \__ HARDLY CHATTING?

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nimpy:

( \ e )

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nimpy:

\___\_z_/ (note the tiny testicals)

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nimpy:

*** irc.hardchats.com ***

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nimpy:

DON'T BE A PENIS LIKE LoRez

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nimpy:

Join hardchats today!!!

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oobe:

anyone know what tables i need to backup and restore for mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

you didnt get them from that thread?

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wagnerrp:

isnt that what the 'G' stands for?

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Dibblah:

Hrm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwjPRBAFrU

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Dibblah:

External touchscreen support.

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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wagnerrp:

seems to be struggling with it

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wagnerrp:

anyway, hes running some external mouse application that translates to keyboard commands?

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oobe:

wagnerrp, yes i did but it didnt seem to work

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: Yes.

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Dibblah:

Hence "external"

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oobe:

i keep getting this error ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 34: Duplicate entry '1' for key 'PRIMARY'

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pimn:

WE WANT TO ASK YOU!

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_\ R \__ HARDLY CHATTING?

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sphery:

oobe: out of context, that error means nothing

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sphery:

i.e. what else does it say

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oobe:

that is all it says

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wagnerrp:

you are trying to insert data into the table, without dropping/creating first

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you drop/create, at the very least, you should truncate

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Dibblah:

The other possibility is UTF-8 corruption... Again.

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sphery:

if truncate, also hope that your chema definition is correct

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sphery:

oobe: we don't know what's saying it, or what's happening or ...

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wagnerrp:

since its 'duplicate entry 1', im better hes got an existing videometadata.intid or videocast.intid

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wagnerrp:

or videocategory/genre/country.intid

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wagnerrp:

and then you still have to make sure you set your auto-increments properly

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oobe:

yes

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oobe:

i trying to restore those tables over a backup

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oobe:

its trying to overwrite existing tables

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oobe:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is how i used to resolve things like this but it doesnt appear to work anymore

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oobe:

http://pastebin.com/3KyudiG9

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oobe:

looks like i have to choose between loosing yesterdays recordings or all my metadata

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sphery:

oobe: why are you trying to just insert rows into your existing DB?

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wagnerrp:

hes trying to recover his mythvideo tables

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sphery:

we only support full restores and a "limited" partial restore to a completely blank database

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sphery:

ah, I must have missed some info in scrollback

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sphery:

but, yeah

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sphery:

and note that mythvideo metadata is re-creatable

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: You are going to have such a backlog of changes ;)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: what is that curly thing next to your nick

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wagnerrp:

the '@' sign?

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dustybin:

yep

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wagnerrp:

that symbol is one of great power

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iamlindoro:

It says I'm armed and dangerous

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dustybin:

eeel

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dustybin:

k

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johnnyj:

so i added a user job

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johnnyj:

and I used mythweb to add it, restarted the backend and a day later it's still saying queued

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wagnerrp:

did it get assigned to a backend that is no longer running?

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johnnyj:

i've only ever had the one backend

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johnnyj:

but how would i tell?

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iamlindoro:

Forever queued is a sign that you added the job but didn't tell the backend it was allowed to run User Job "x"

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johnnyj:

that sounds right – where is that done?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

General

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wagnerrp:

its a local setting, so you have to run it on that backend

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johnnyj:

i can't use mythweb and set JobAllowUserJob1 to 1 ?

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iamlindoro:

Don't change DB setings in MythWeb

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iamlindoro:

There is never a case where that is a good idea

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johnnyj:

um – it's listed on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs

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iamlindoro:

You should remove it :)

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iamlindoro:

mythweb does no bounds or value checking whatsoever-- it's a great way to end up with a horked DB

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wagnerrp:

porpoise hork

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wagnerrp:

only a month until that starts back up

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wagnerrp:

of course it will get horrible ratings again, and get canned

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wagnerrp:

because Neilson doesnt give boxes to people that matter

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iamlindoro:

Which show?

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wagnerrp:

futurama

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iamlindoro:

ahh, yeah, forgot it was coming back

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wagnerrp:

only show ive ever heard the term 'hork' on

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wagnerrp:

'people that matter' being those who watch the shows i want to watch

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, then you need to figure out how the nielsen boxes communicate with their masters.

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wagnerrp:

if only i knew someone who had one

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wagnerrp:

today in the news.... kentucky man gets 25yrs for computer crimes against Nielson Inc., he was reported as saying 'I just wanted Better Off Ted to get a third season'

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johnnyj:

ha

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oobe:

awesome

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oobe:

now i know how to fix this the next time this happens

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wagnerrp:

nightly backups?

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oobe:

i alread do that

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wagnerrp:

then why would you risk loss of recordings?

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johnnyj:

keeping nightly backups?

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oobe:

or else I wouldnt have a back up to restore with

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oobe:

i think i already explained the problem

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oobe:

i hit scan for changes on my frontend while the share wasnt mounted

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oobe:

it deleted all my mythvideo meta data

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oobe:

and it could not be recovered

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wagnerrp:

but why couldnt you just use the backup?

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oobe:

i think its not that hard to imagine a scenario where this happens

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oobe:

cause i have already recorded 5 things since that morning

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oobe:

so anyway

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oobe:

i fixed it using nuvexport

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wagnerrp:

thats not fixing anything, thats transcoding recordings

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oobe:

i exported the recordings and then used the .sql files after restoring that mornings backup

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johnnyj:

understanding this transcode wrapper stub isn't leaping off the page at me

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oobe:

actually its fixing everything and not transcoding anything at all

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oobe:

option 11 in nuvexport

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wagnerrp:

nuvexport allows dumping and reinsertion of metadata?

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oobe:

it dumps an sql file for the recording

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** wagnerrp should get pickling working in the python bindings **

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: what do you want to know?

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – evidently more about python

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wagnerrp:

you can run 'transcode_stub.py %JOBID%' or 'transcode_stub.py --chanid %CHANID% --starttime %STARTTIME%'

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wagnerrp:

it will find the local path of the recording (or error if it cannot)

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wagnerrp:

and then run the provided command on that file

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wagnerrp:

taking care of whatever database actions are necessary to make mythtv use the new file

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johnnyj:

and this part:

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johnnyj:

##############################################

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johnnyj:

#### probably need to adjust this one too ####

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johnnyj:

task.command('%s' % infile,

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johnnyj:

'%s' % outfile)

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wagnerrp:

you need to adjust what is given to your external transcoder

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wagnerrp:

right now, those are the inputs needed by 'cp'

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wagnerrp:

all it does is cp the existing file to the new filename

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johnnyj:

are the words infile and outfile comments of some sort?

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wagnerrp:

no, thats string substitution

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wagnerrp:

python's version of printf

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johnnyj:

oh

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johnnyj:

ok great – thanks

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Jhinta5:

hi all need some help here. with sasc-ng or is that bad carma?

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GreyFoxx:

Bad

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Jhinta5:

:( ,, just for the info why is that?

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stuartm:

very bad ju-ju, lifetime ban and trip to the seventh circle of hell (probably)

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wagnerrp:

Jhinta5: because softcams are used far more often than not for content theft

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wagnerrp:

and even if you are using it for content you have a right to, their use is almost certainly in violation of your ToS

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iamlindoro:

Jhinta5: Because we don't want to hear about *anything* that could be even PERCEIVED as illegal and NO we don't want to hear about how it's legal where you live

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stuartm:

9 times out of 10 it's being used to illegally access services to which the user does not have a subscription, of the 1 in 10 who use it for legimate subscriptions they are still breaking laws or contracts with their providers

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iamlindoro:

and if you say "it's legal where I live" then I will ban the crap out of you

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iamlindoro:

on principle

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stuartm:

and there are _legal_ alternatives

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stuartm:

e.g. HD-PVR

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stuartm:

well in most cases, not all

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Jhinta5:

totely agree with you all just to bad for the once that do use it farly but,, i'm on my own on that any way

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Jhinta5:

lol i kan only say i live in holland :D

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iamlindoro:

Very very much appreciate that response

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Jhinta5:

kan=can

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iamlindoro:

We'd help if we could, but we can't, and we can't allow discussion of it, but having someone be understanding about it is very appreciated

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Jhinta5:

but about this

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Jhinta5:

got a pct74e

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Jhinta5:

xbmc frontend

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wagnerrp:

we also dont support the use of xbmc as a myth frontend

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Jhinta5:

the guid , does it take time or i'm i missing somthing

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Jhinta5:

hmm ok

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wagnerrp:

if you need help with that, you need to get it from them

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Jhinta5:

i see i get the point

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wagnerrp:

we didnt write it, we dont use it, so we wouldnt be very much assistance with it

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Jhinta5:

true

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wagnerrp:

besides which, it ignores database schema revisions, which is considered 'bad behavior'

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Jhinta5:

hmm oke wel new to linux dvb windows like a charm just want to spred my horizon

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Jhinta5:

but just like many say READ

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Jhinta5:

:)

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justinh:

kills the channel whenever someone says that word. 'Read'

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dibbz:

mornings

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dibbz:

my backend has been expiring stuff only 1 day old

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dibbz:

out of the blue

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dibbz:

if i look at the record table there is nothng inconsistant with the maxepisodes or autoexpire rows

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jamesd_:

is your disk full?

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dibbz:

nah

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dibbz:

just found t atrac ticket that might be it

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dibbz:

i'

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dibbz:

ll run my backend with -v too

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dibbz:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7936

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iamlindoro:

No ubuntu style "me toos," btw

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iamlindoro:

since that will just get the ticket locked

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sphery:

OK, gotta say that the Trac fixed-width column is annoying

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sphery:

makes it near impossible to read long logs inserted directly into comments

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sphery:

which, as the case may be, is not the way to attach them

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sphery:

iamlindoro: do you know if it's possible to edit actual comments or just the summary?

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... I know you can delete comments, but I've never tried to edit them

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iamlindoro:

don't think so

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sphery:

ok

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sphery:

just curious

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sphery:

dibbz: do you have any 0-length files at all in your recordings directory?

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sphery:

dibbz: find /path/to/recordings -size 0 -print

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sphery:

"Max required Free Space: 11.0 GB w/freq: 15 min" heh

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wagnerrp:

11GB? isnt the default 10?

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sphery:

default is 1, IIRC

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dibbz:

i do

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sphery:

yeah, 1GB

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sphery:

dibbz: you do have 0-length files?

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dibbz:

i look at the --expirelist and they are at the top

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sphery:

dibbz: can you write some random data into each one of them and see if that fixes the problem

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dibbz:

hmmm

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dibbz:

actually, i dont, only in the expirelist

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dibbz:

the filesystem has no 0 byte files

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sphery:

so, wait, you're saying that you have files that MythTV /thinks/ are 0 bytes?

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sphery:

(i.e. you've used one of the broken scripts that insert recordings into your DB?)

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dibbz:

correct

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dibbz:

i had a broken tuner

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dibbz:

i dont use any broken scripts

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dibbz:

mythhweb is it

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dibbz:

MythTV AutoExpire List (programs listed in order of expiration)

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dibbz:

Entourage: "Exodus" 0 MB Mon Mar 8 22:30:00 2010 [ 0]

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dibbz:

Nine News Saturday 0 MB Sat Mar 13 18:00:00 2010 [ 0]

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dibbz:

Entourage: "The Abyss" 0 MB Mon Mar 15 22:30:00 2010 [ 0]

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sphery:

ok, let's do this...: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET filesize = 12345 WHERE filesize = 0;"

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sphery:

dibbz: ok, I just meant that myth.rebuilddatabase.pl does bad things like not provide appropriate filesize info

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dibbz:

ah cool

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dibbz:

well there is 900gb of other stuff it can expire etc

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sphery:

actually, let's make it something > 1MiB ... mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET filesize = 1234567 WHERE filesize = 0;"

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sphery:

or, if you've already ran the other, then: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET filesize = 1234567 WHERE filesize = 12345;"

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dibbz:

ok done

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sphery:

OK, then when you get a chance--in between recordings--please restart the master backend (ideally all backends/frontends) and see if it starts expiring properly

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sphery:

if so, then please make a comment on the ticket describing your findings (that won't be a "me too" if it's providing more info, so it won't get the ticket locked :)

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dibbz:

np's

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dibbz:

all done

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sphery:

thanks for the testing

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sphery:

more information makes it /much/ easier to diagnose

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dibbz:

thanks, all good

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sphery:

and it's much easier to ask someone to do these types of tests here in IRC than on Trac :)

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sphery:

dibbz: one other thing... you said you "had a broken tuner"--so do these files actually exist

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dibbz:

they dont

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sphery:

dibbz: if not, that's probably the real problem... oh

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sphery:

we need to touch them...

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dibbz:

it was a reception problem and i wired up a new antenna

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dibbz:

blew away the channels and rescanned

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sphery:

mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) FROM recorded WHERE filesize = 1234567;" | tail -n+2 > $HOME/touch_files

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dibbz:

i havent had any bad recordings yet

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sphery:

if you run that, you should get a file $HOME/touch_files that will make files for those

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sphery:

if you run it from within the recordings dir... so cd to that dir, then: sh $HOME/touch_files

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dibbz:

done and done, thanks

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johnnyj:

I can't get the sound bite of Mom yelling "porpoise hork" out of my head

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sphery:

dibbz: ok, the next test you can do is if it still messes up, try writing some random garbage into the files so they're not 0-byte files

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sphery:

try it as it for now and see if that cleans things up

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sphery:

but if it doesn't, then might want to try putting info in

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dibbz:

if i do that it'll prolly go on an expire fest

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justinh:

akura 31.5" full hd.. roflmao. who ever heard of a 31.5" tv?

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sphery:

probably actually an 80cm screen, so it comes out strange looking in inches

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wagnerrp:

for all i know, my 32" could only be 31.5"

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wagnerrp:

do we actually have an internal firewire channel changer?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was all done with external scripts

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wagnerrp:

s/scripts/compiled code/

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iamlindoro:

Nope, for any recognized FW box it'll do the channel change too

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dibbz:

maybe they are just honest compared to the rest

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wagnerrp:

honest?

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** j-rod just stumbled into a new x58 board and core i7 940 proc... **

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wagnerrp:

just laying on the side of the road? must have fallen off a truck?

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dustybin:

i have ordered parts for new server :D

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j-rod:

might be time to replace the old first-gen c2q

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for the "DVR's aren't ideal for channel surfing" comment... it needed to be said

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sphery:

heh, c2q and old in the same sentence... My definition of old differs from j-rod's :)

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wagnerrp:

'i dont wanna wait for a keyframe to start playback. bring on the blocky mess!'

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j-rod:

heh

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xand:

dustybin: unpossible.

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dustybin:

hey?

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xand:

that you ordered hardware

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dustybin:

I ordered a INTEL i3 530 2.93GHz Dual-Core 1156 4MB/L3 HT and a GIGABYTE GA-H55-UD3H H55 together with 2x SEAGATE 7200.12 500GB

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dustybin:

this will be new mythtv backend + other stuff

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dustybin:

i will slowly build up storage space with SEAGATE LP 5900.12 2TB

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xand:

I need to build a new mythtv box

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xand:

to replace my pentium 4

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dustybin:

xand: thats exactly what im doing, i been using a p4 3.2 for years

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xand:

it works fine and is quiet, but it's not great as a frontend

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dustybin:

im using a frontend/backend combo, running out of space for disks and pci cards etc

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dustybin:

no good for HD either

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dustybin:

my new box will be backend only, i will use a low powered atom box for a HD frontend

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lapion:

hmm all dutch online guides have a bug, all shows listed after midnight are listed as being part of the day that just passed at midnight

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lapion:

and if the script you are using doesn't compensate for this, it's allmost impossible to record shows crossing the midnight boundary

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lapion:

the xmltv script

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Wicked:

hmm i switched from ubuntu to fedora and im now trying to recompile 0.23-fixes svn...but im having some issues with the make commands still looking in the wrong places for qt...ive tried "make clean" and distclean...but it fails saying it cannot find qmake...ive got all qt4-devel stuff installed.

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Wicked:

i think its still looking where ubuntu kept those things.....and cant figure out how to change that....short of rm -rf'ing the dir and re checkout svn

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dibbz:

maybe delete config.cache

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miffteevee:

Wicked > im no expert but i think there are some arguments to pass when doing ./configure

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miffteevee:

try the help and look for include-dirs perhaps :)

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miffteevee:

"./configure --help" i think

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dibbz:

you'd expect autoconf to be doing that on a dist such as ubuntu

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dibbz:

id jsut delete the source and check it out again

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sphery:

Wicked: you'll need to do a: make distclean && find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R .

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dibbz:

might buy an eyetv

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dibbz:

to replace my crappy tuner

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dibbz:

hdhomeruns are $265 in australia, i have one, but i feel ripped off considering they are $79 us..

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dibbz:

eyetv

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dibbz:

no whats the playstation one

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dibbz:

playtv

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jamesd_:

dibbz, do the ones in austrailia get delivered by a kangaroo or a koala bear perhaps just comes with a case of prawns to thron on the barbee...

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dibbz:

hehe

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dibbz:

that cobber is having a lend of me, fair dinkum, blue.

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dibbz:

must have been a kangaroo, wombats usually take 2 weeks

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Wicked:

sphery, i ended up just rm -rf'ing the folder and re checked out svn. thanks for the response though :)

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Wicked:

miffteevee, i tried a few but none worked. was easier to just rm -rf the folder and re check out svn

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Wicked:

hmm...just notice that mythtv appears to be hung while compiling.. http://pastebin.com/CaNVUzW2 ...it has not changed from that in over 5 mins.....

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Wicked:

never seen that error before

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Wicked:

or had mythtv just stop compiling

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clever:

if it stops, the prompt will come back

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miffteevee:

check out "top" to see if its idling or working on something

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** sphery wonders if someone is messing with -O settings **

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Wicked:

well...its still doing its thing.

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Wicked:

i can see cc1plus using cpu

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Wicked:

but its hung on that....its been close to 10 mins and it has not resumed anything

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Wicked:

just that last error

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janneg:

Wicked: iso639.cpp takes a long time to compile especially if memory is limited

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clever:

Wicked: that isnt an eror

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Wicked:

4 gigs of ram

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Wicked:

on a core2duo

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Wicked:

ive compiled mythtv many times...but its never done this

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clever:

errors have the word 'error' in them

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clever:

are you using -j ?

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Wicked:

and i was just wondering if anyone in here might have seen this

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Wicked:

yea -j2

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Wicked:

which ive compiled mythtv fine before

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clever:

then that command may have already finished

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clever:

the 'hung' command may be 20 pages up

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Wicked:

ah i see

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janneg:

Wicked: you may haven't noticed it before

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clever:

the last one you see is the last one you started

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janneg:

tv_rec.cpp also takes ages

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clever:

yeah there are a few that cripple my distcc network

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clever:

the distcc server times out, so the client tries to do it localy, crippling itself

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Wicked:

yea...ill let it go a little further...but i have never had mythtv do this while compiling.

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Wicked:

and i just switched from ubuntu to fedora....so could be something related to that too

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clever:

-j has no idea of how much ram a compile takes, so some spots i have to stop and -j 1

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Wicked:

ah.

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clever:

under normal conditions i can -j5

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clever:

but if i hit tv_rec.cpp, it will cripple every box in the house at once

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Wicked:

i read that -j3 is fine for 2 cores and upto -j5–6 for quad cores

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clever:

beasts like that just need to be broken up

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clever:

distcc will relay the source to a remote box, so you can compile on 5 computers at once

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Wicked:

ah cool

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Wicked:

like a cluster

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clever:

yep

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sphery:

Wicked: I think it's the normal iso639.cpp takes forever + the fact that var-tracking is slow and uses a lot of memory

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clever:

but if the remote end doesnt have enough ram, the client will timeout

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clever:

and then try again localy

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Wicked:

gotcha

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Wicked:

ill just let it sit a bit longer

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Wicked:

maybe go play a bit more red dead revolver

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sphery:

Wicked: so if you haven't been messing with -O (and don't have any specific environment variables specified that provide a -O), it's probably normal

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sphery:

if you do have a -O setting specified, you'll likely get a nice broken build

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clever:

id check ps aux|grep cc1plus

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clever:

and see exactly which file its actualy hung on

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Wicked:

sphery, yea i havent messed with anything related to this other then "make -j2"

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sphery:

in CPPFLAGS or CFLAGS or wherever -O goes

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Wicked:

welp im gonna go play a bit more rdr and wait this out. thanks for all your responses :)

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clever:

Wicked: seen the 3d model bugs?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'm wondering if I can leverage System events on a "read only" basis in my plugin-- namely, I'd like to send a "Internet Content Updated" event when the backend system finished updating content, and trigger a reload of the tree on the frontend when that happens, if the user is in MNV

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iamlindoro:

wondering if it's possible, or even a good idea

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wagnerrp:

why a 'system event' rather than just a normal broadcast event?

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** iamlindoro notes that wagnerrp is fighting tooth and nail against any new system event types :P **

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iamlindoro:

really don't wanna handle them in the bindings, I guess

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wagnerrp:

nothing of the sort, ive fixed that core

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wagnerrp:

code

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wagnerrp:

im just pointing out that system events are sent once per machine

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wagnerrp:

with no control over what process actually receives it

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wagnerrp:

where as something like a 'recording list update', or in this case a 'internet list update' would be sent to everything

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iamlindoro:

Which is something one woudl want, since the internet content updates are no longer MNV specific

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wagnerrp:

but you would want every frontend to receive it, right?

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, you can't guarantee that a FE will receive the event since if you have a BE and FE on the same system, the system event could be only sent to the BE if it's first in the PlaybackSock list on the master.

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wagnerrp:

im saying if you use a system event, and a user has both a frontend and a jobqueue running on that system

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wagnerrp:

theres no guarantee the frontend will be the one to receive the event

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, wagnerrp, so presumably a RemoteSendMessage might be more like what I'm looking for?

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** wagnerrp takes notes, as hes trying to get the jobqueue to do the same thing **

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I believe that should work for what you want.

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iamlindoro:

Basically I'm trying to find a kinder, gentler way to handle first-time configuration of MNV-- trigger the mythfillnetcontent on the BE, and get a message back to update the tree when it finishes-- or maybe even incrementally as each source is updated

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Captain_Murdoch:

that sends a MESSAGE to the master which triggers a MythEvent on the master which is received by the master's MainServer::customEvent() which should turn it into a BACKEND_MESSAGE and sent it out to any connection that said it wanted to receive events when it connected.

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wagnerrp:

so thats what 'MESSAGE' does?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, And for a message that the backend doesn't need to do any handling on, I shouldn't need to touch mainserver.cpp, right? Looks like all unhandled cases get turned into broadcasts?

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Captain_Murdoch:

right.

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iamlindoro:

cool, thanks for the explanation

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iamlindoro:

I'm not completely convinced it's any more friendly to reload the list on the user... but I guess I could have the plugin prompt the user for a tree reload

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iamlindoro:

If MythGenericTree were more conducive to appending content, I could try that, but it's not too great about it

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, "mythbackend --event 'TESTEVENT BLAH'" for testing.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, ah, great tip, thanks

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Captain_Murdoch:

actually, I wonder if that will work for MESSAGE events since I don't think I allowed extra data with --event.

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably won't.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Is is possible to send a MESSAGE with arguments where a single argument has multiple words?

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iamlindoro:

ie SOME_EVENT_NAME 'the name of a feed' SOME_TYPE

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iamlindoro:

looks like it may assume the separator is space always?

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Captain_Murdoch:

what's in the event and how it is processed are up to the sender/receiver.

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, okay, that makes sense.... ah, okay, I see exactly what you're saying

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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Captain_Murdoch:

I have a patch in my tree to modify RemoteSendMessage to allow you to pass in the extra data list as well as part of my MFSW work, but I need to tweak it some before committing that part.

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wagnerrp:

is that a limitation of 'MESSAGE', or a limitation of the exposed calls for it?

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Captain_Murdoch:

exposed calls.

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wagnerrp:

so i could throw something together in about two minutes to allow that (for temporary use)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Sounds like it would be better for me to table this part of it until MFSW goes in

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wagnerrp:

(in the bindings)

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Captain_Murdoch:

backend handler happily passes on everything,but current version of RemoteSendMessage() only takes a QString.

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iamlindoro:

I'm thinking I can send a INTERNET_CONTENT_UPDATED $Type $Feedname

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iamlindoro:

then the receiving plugin can append a new tree branch if it is subscribed but not present

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Captain_Murdoch:

most times it's easier to send a QStringList rather than space separating items on one line. that way you don't have to deal with embedded spaces and your data is already split for you.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I've probably done it both ways though, so take that comment with a grain of salt. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

MFSW will use multiple lines, and lots of them sometimes.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and within the file/dir lines, it will use it's own separator for the metadata for that file or dir and have a prefix on the line to indicate if it's a new file, a deleted file, or an update to an existing file.

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miffteevee:

Im having some basic conf-trouble with mythweb on 0.23-fixes checked out a snapshot after the official 0.23. Running mythbuntu i uninstalled FE, BE, plugins and mythweb. Compiled the snapshot and got all working now except mythweb goes "Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream:" on me :-/

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miffteevee:

googling around I found that mythweb might have some trouble displaying its own error-pages, but I cant seem to find a solution. mysql.conf is ok and I apache seems to be working well too and finds the mythweb-dir. But PHP seems to fail and im a bit confused when it comes to tracking the error down.

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miffteevee:

there are a few recent threads about this error, but most seem to be solved by reinstalling mythweb via mythbuntu and this is kind of a no go for me.

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k-man:

so is it worth raising a ticket on that bug regarding displying of the schedule while watching recorded shows?

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k-man:

or just wait until the osd ui is ported to mythui to see if that fixes it?

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miffteevee:

here is the full error-output: http://pastebin.com/X044Vpwj

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k-man:

miffteevee: are you setting up mythweb?

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k-man:

i had this error last night and it turned out php was not installed on my system

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miffteevee:

k-man > yes

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k-man:

check that perhaps?

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k-man:

apache had libphp installed, but php itself was missing for some reason – is this a debian system you are installing on?

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miffteevee:

it is, the mythweb that comes with mythbuntu has been working fine, its happened when I switched to a compiled snapshot of mythtv (including mythweb)

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k-man:

miffteevee: again, that's exactly what i was doing last night – switched form .debs (on debian though) to compiling it myself

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miffteevee:

i -think- it might have something to do with how it is all being configured by mythtv-common in the mythbuntu package-tree and uninstalling the different mythtvpackages has made it stall somewhere between the database and php/apache

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k-man:

double check php is installed, and that libphp and php-mysql are installed

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k-man:

did you remove all the mytthv packages?

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miffteevee:

ok, I'll check it right away :) ...maybe uninstalling mythweb-package made the php-bindings disappear. Thats actually plausible i think

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miffteevee:

no not all of them, just BE, FE and plugins

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k-man:

miffteevee: what are you trying to do? mix compiled with .debs?

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miffteevee:

no clean compile-version

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miffteevee:

but im afraid i might loose my database if i uninstall mythtv*

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k-man:

miffteevee: you won't, but you should definately make a backup of the db before proceeding just in case

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miffteevee:

yes, and then uninstall all the mythbuntu-packages for mythtv ?

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k-man:

miffteevee: mysqldump -u mythtv -p mythconverg > mythtv-backup.sql

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k-man:

miffteevee: yes

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k-man:

i think trying to leave the packages installed will just cause confusion

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miffteevee:

it seems I've got php5 / php5-mysql /php5-common installed

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miffteevee:

yes, youre probably right :-/ ...it was kind of test with the new 23 and I wanted to leave the 22 behind, just in case (and it works too, im able to switch between them) but the trouble with mythweb made me start uninstalling the various packages

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k-man:

in my case, when i uninstalled the mythtv .debs, i think it uninstalled php

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miffteevee:

but it also reset the bindings for you which is probably what my trouble is all about, right ? (just to see if I understand this correctly) :)

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k-man:

what bindings?

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k-man:

for php?

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miffteevee:

yes

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miffteevee:

how about the libmyth-packages ? should they be removed too ? (libmyth-python and libmyth-perl)

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k-man:

i would remove all packages that are mythtv related i think

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HRearden:

I'm having an issue with jamu and the python bindings. Keep getting an error about not finding DBData. can anyone help?

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wagnerrp:

are you running 0.23?

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HRearden:

yes.

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wagnerrp:

package or source?

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HRearden:

gentoo – source.

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k-man:

miffteevee: basically, apache has a way to "drop in" parts of its config. which is what the .deb of mythweb would do. when you uninstall it, it will remove that bit of config from apache. once you install mythweb from SVN or wherever you'll have to replace that bit of config yourself. mythweb has instructions for doing that in its folder which is what i followed last night and it worked

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wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, the python bindings did not get updated when you updated from 0.22

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wagnerrp:

try doing it manually

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wagnerrp:

rm -r /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV*

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HRearden:

ahh – I deleted my 2.5 cruft, but I see some 2.6 cruft here...

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wagnerrp:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . dings/python

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wagnerrp:

cd python; python setup.py install

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miffteevee:

k-man > thankyou :) I've also followed the INSTALL-doc in the mythweb folder and adjusted the mythweb.conf.apache. I've removed all but the libmyth-packages and will try again now.

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HRearden:

something different in the fixes?

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wagnerrp:

no, they got rewritten from 0.22 to 0.23, and if you cannot import 'DBData', then for some reason they did not update for you

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HRearden:

right – I was just going into my existing source directory and doing that instead of re-downloading from svn.

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k-man:

miffteevee: good luck :)

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HRearden:

argh – no luck. Still getting this:! Warning – MythTV python bindings could not be imported, error(cannot import name DBData)

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HRearden:

The modules tvdb_api.py (v1.0.0 or greater), tvdb_ui.py, tvdb_exceptions.py and cache.py.

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HRearden:

They should have been installed along with the MythTV python bindings.

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HRearden:

Error(No module named ttvdb.tvdb_ui)

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sphery:

or those... wagnerrp knows his channels better than me

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HRearden:

wagnerrp – any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hes not in here

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wagnerrp:

HRearden: either youre not loading the python bindings at all, or youre loading an old version of them

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sphery:

yeah, I know... I didn't think it was important enough to say in #mythtv, but wanted to admit you had a better list than I did

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wagnerrp:

yeah... didnt really want to walk someone through a system ive never used in here

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iamlindoro:

I can answer his question

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iamlindoro:

"nobody"

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wagnerrp:

so i differed him elsewhere... :)

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HRearden:

Other things using the python bindings appear to work though... tmdb.py and ttvdb.py

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iamlindoro:

Does not mean you're not using an old version

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wagnerrp:

perhaps you have old versions of those, prior to them being half moved into the bindings

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HRearden:

Right – I've searched my python path though.

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HRearden:

Any way to detect the version of bindings I'm using?

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wagnerrp:

whats the '.egg' file in /usr/libs/python2.6/site-packages?

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HRearden:

only 1 – MythTV-0.23.0-py2.6.egg-info

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wagnerrp:

and in python, 'from MythTV import DBData'?

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HRearden:

that works OK

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HRearden:

Odd.

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HRearden:

wait – it works from the site-packages directory but not when I'm in mythvideo/scripts – jamu – directory

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wagnerrp:

what version does it print when you run 'python'?

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HRearden:

2.6.4

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mahr83:

netstart shows mythfrontend listening on the correct port but i cant use the remote control feature of mythweb

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RDV_Linux:

HRearden: Do a search like "locate MythVideo.py" you may still have old bindings installed and they are first in your system path.

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wagnerrp:

maybe in dist-packages

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HRearden:

no dist-packages at all

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HRearden:

should /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV be in my Python sys.path? right now I just have down to site-packages.

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wagnerrp:

what about.... 'import MythTV; MythTV.__path__'

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mahr83:

does anyone else here use mythweb remote?

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wagnerrp:

in python, lib is a link to lib64

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: can you telnet to that host/port?

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Dar1us:

mahr83: I do occasionally

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HRearden:

AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '__path__'

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HRearden:

So from a python path standpoint – should "MythTV" be in there or not?

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wagnerrp:

my bad... MythTV.__file__

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HRearden:

MythTV.pyc

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wagnerrp:

that file will only exist on the old bindings

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wagnerrp:

but you should have a path

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wagnerrp:

not just a file

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wagnerrp:

unless its importing from the current folder

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HRearden:

yes... it's in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts for some reason

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HRearden:

I take it it should be deleted from there...

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miffteevee:

k-man > no dice unfortunately :/

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k-man:

miffteevee: what happened?

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HRearden:

Oddly it has a relatively current date.

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HRearden:

(2 days ago)

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HRearden:

If I delete it, and re-run jamu, it gets recreated in this directory.

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miffteevee:

after fiddling with a2ensite complaining that the site didnt exist I got it going but the error stays exactly the same

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HRearden:

WTF. I feel like an idiot not knowing a damn thing about Python here...

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miffteevee:

k-man > I think mythweb is trying to report a config-error of some sort (maybe db-connection), if I could figure out what it was I might get mythweb going (and only the display of eventual error-pages will be a problem)

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k-man:

miffteevee: anything useful in the apache error logs?

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miffteevee:

k-man > nothing to report from the apache-logs. If i could get some sort of php-log going it may present a hint of some sort

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k-man:

miffteevee: did you check the config file and update it? in my case it was pretty good but i had to change a couple of the default paths

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k-man:

miffteevee: im sure php can produce a log but i'm no expert on php so i don't know how to do it sorry

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miffteevee:

k-man > I only changed the two <directory> paths at the beginning of the file. And i also updated db-name, user and password to fit my db (which is renamed)

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k-man:

on systems where the FE and BE run on the same machine, it would be cool if you could get to mythtv-setup form the FE

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miffteevee:

k-man > no worry, im just trying everything for what its worth :)

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k-man:

miffteevee: which version of php do you have installed?

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k-man:

fwiw, i installed php5

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squish102:

k-man i'm sure that it is possible. I was calling boxee from in mythtv

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miffteevee:

k-man > ive also got php5 installed, this is really getting to me...

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k-man:

miffteevee: same error still?

[22:15:08]

miffteevee:

k-man > I think mythtv requires the BE to be stopped in order to run mythtv-setup without 2 clients writing to the DB at the same time (both BE and mythtv-setup).

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k-man:

miffteevee: do you have any other php thing installed on that system to make sure php is working?

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mahr83:

no, I cant telent to it, but I can see it listening on port 6547

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miffteevee:

k-man > no, not that i know off... but there is a little php-function that outputs the configuration, i could do a script with just that function i guess

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k-man:

miffteevee: time to go back to first principles. first, make sure apache works for plain html, then make sure basic php works by testing using a test php script. like: http://www.htmlite.com/php003.php

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k-man:

miffteevee: yeah, see the link

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miffteevee:

k-man > thanks, im on it, ill replace the index.html in my mythweb dir with the phpinfo-script and try to load it in the browser

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k-man:

miffteevee: on debian, if you go to http://yourlocalhost/ it has a web "It works!"

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k-man:

i presume ubuntu would be the same

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k-man:

miffteevee: ok

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miffteevee:

k-man > yes, the default site works, but here's news, no output from the phpinfo. Site-title is displayed so its loading but no output from php, time to check the logs from apache once again

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miffteevee:

k-man > and nothing to be found in the log. Perhaps I should do a reinstall of php5

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k-man:

miffteevee: oh, just had a thought

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k-man:

miffteevee: you might need to enable the apache php mod a2en is the command

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miffteevee:

k-man > oh, good thinking! ill try it

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k-man:

miffteevee: and your sure you have installed the apache php mod

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mahr83:

telnet is required for myth remote or is there another way to configure it?

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miffteevee:

k-man > a2enmod reports: Module php5 already enabled

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miffteevee:

k-man > maybe its something to do with the execution-permissions somehow ? all files in /var/www has 777 so it might be apaches own configuration of the different directory-tags that causes trouble

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k-man:

miffteevee: maybe, check the php logs

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miffteevee:

k-man > but I cant find any php logs in /var/log

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k-man:

check apache logs

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k-man:

miffteevee: you might need to seek help on apache/php channels as to why php is not working

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[R]:

mahr83: configure it?

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HRearden:

wagnerrp, any other ideas on python bindings / jamu ?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere, somehow, youre pulling in an old version of the bindings

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miffteevee:

k-man > got it ! moving the testscript from /var/www/ into /var/www/html/ made it happen :)

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RDV_Linux:

HRearden: Until the bindings issue is resolved jamu does not have a chance of working.

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HRearden:

the one we just saw it pull in was from the directory I was in (MythTV.pyc), but that file gets created every time I run jamu

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mahr83:

ssh comes to mind

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[R]:

mahr83: huh?

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miffteevee:

k-man > must be my mythweb.conf that is misconfigured copying the mythweb files to /var/www/html seems to be working

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HRearden:

No one ever answered the python path question – should MythTV be in there or does it automatically look in all subdirectories (i.e. because site-packages is there, MythTV is pulled in) ?

[22:30:50]

miffteevee:

k-man > what an embarrasing error, – I guess i should read up on directory-tags and followsymlinks and so on...

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mahr83:

it seems like mythweb remote is a telnet service, is this incorrect? sorry but its not like there is a lot of documentation on it, I would prefer to use ssh

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[R]:

mahr83: the protocol the frontend remote uses is a plain text tcp protocol

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RDV_Linux:

HRearden: Jamu only uses the bindings and has no logic to install any python libraries.

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[R]:

mahr83: why would you want to introduce pointless encryption into it?

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HRearden:

Understand – I was wondering if the original install of the python libraries was not right...

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mahr83:

why would i would a telnet service running on my machine?

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mahr83:

want*

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[R]:

mahr83: its not a "telnet service"

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[R]:

mahr83: its a tcp socket that accepts commands in plain text

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HRearden:

Argh – There was old crufty stuff in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts (*.py) – got rid of them and am now further.

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mahr83:

but I would need to use telnet to access it from command line then?

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[R]:

mahr83: telnet is one way to access it... yes

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mahr83:

but off the point, why does my mythweb say no frontends allow remote control, and why cant i use telnet to access it? I just get unkown host when i try to connect to the port

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[R]:

mahr83: did you enable remote control in the settings? did you open the port in the firewall (if there is one)?

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[R]:

if you get unknown host

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[R]:

your connecting by dns

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[R]:

when you dont have a dns server that knows that host

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[R]:

try connecting by ip

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k-man:

miffteevee: yeah, the mythweb instructions say to move the the code to /var/www/html, but debian and i guess ubuntu use /var/www for html

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mahr83:

yes, I enabled the remote control in the settings, but telnet to the port does not work, and the mthweb does not see it either

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miffteevee:

k-man > exactly and i've now got an ugly "html" in my url, but cant seem to find any "DocumentRoot" settings anywhere

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[R]:

mahr83: well what is the real error... becuase "unknown host" is from not using the ip

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k-man:

miffteevee: there is a setting in the mythweb.conf file that you put into the apache conf.d directory iirc

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mahr83:

connection closed by foreign host

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miffteevee:

k-man > when running a2ensite it doesnt touch the conf.d dir, it only holds "charset", "localized-error-pages" and "security"

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[R]:

mahr83: and if you run netstat -l --inet on the frontend?

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[R]:

mahr83: are you telnetting from the computer running the frontend or another computer?

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miffteevee:

k-man > and then it seems it copys the mythweb.conf file to "sites-enabled"

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k-man:

miffteevee: i don't think you need to use the a2ensite feature as your putting the mythweb code directly in the html folder

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mahr83:

tcp 0 0 *:6547 *:* Listen

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wagnerrp:

no, you want 6546, 6547 is the HTTP server

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mahr83:

tried both

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miffteevee:

k-man > hmmm, good point

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mahr83:

telnet ip 6547

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mahr83:

trying ip

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miffteevee:

k-man > i might be very wrong but i suspect that php only has permissions to be run further inside somehow

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wagnerrp:

6546

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mahr83:

escape chat is ^]

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wagnerrp:

unless you changed it manually

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mahr83:

connection closed my foreign host

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mahr83:

same thing on local machine or laptop

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k-man:

miffteevee: no idea

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jya:

This ipad is so cool. Have to port mythtv to it.

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miffteevee:

k-man > ah, this is what holds DocumentRoot "/etc/apache2/sites-available/default"

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mahr83:

maybe its a permission thing, its not like i run mythfrontend with root priv?

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miffteevee:

k-man > ill try messing around with it, I think Ill be able to make it work now. Thanks a lot for listening and sparring ! I really appreciate it :)

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[R]:

mahr83: as wagnerrp pointed out, its 6546, and the telnet line you just pasted was not that port... also, run it from the computer with the frontend to 127.0.0.1

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k-man:

miffteevee: your welcome

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miffteevee:

k-man > thankyou :)

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: you actually tried to connect to 'ip'?

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HRearden:

wagnerrp et al. – Thx much. resolved.

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mahr83:

only tried ip

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wagnerrp:

i mean you really tried to telnet into 'ip'? thats exactly what you typed into the terminal... 'telnet ip 6547'?

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mahr83:

i cant telnet to the machine now that i started the telnet service, i have vnc, web, telnet,ssh, the only thing that i cant connect to is the mythweb remote

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mahr83:

apache works

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

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wagnerrp:

you were supposed to substitute 'ip' for the address or hostname of the machine you wanted to connect to

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mahr83:

can*, cant type though, especailly not over a slow keyboard over a vnc session

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mahr83:

maybe i broke something on my install of mythtv

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[R]:

[07:52:55] [R] mahr83: as wagnerrp pointed out, its 6546, and the telnet line you just pasted was not that port... also, run it from the computer with the frontend to 127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

meaning, type 'telnet 127.0.0.1 6546' into the terminal

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: what is this 'telnet service' you said you started, hopefully not something provided by your distro

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mahr83:

telnet-bsd

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wagnerrp:

as that would have nothing at all to do with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and generally is not used for anything, since its insecure and ssh exists as a much better and more capable alternative

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[R]:

4 day weekend

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[R]:

i may actually get to finsihing my patch

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PMantis:

I have a conceptual question. I'm planning a rebuild of my myth machine (backend and several frontends). If the storage is all NFS NAS based, would there be a decent benefit to having a virtual master backend (obviously no cards), with slave backends to do the recording?

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wagnerrp:

virtual?

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wagnerrp:

as in run on a virtual machine?

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PMantis:

As in QEMU, VMWare, etc

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PMantis:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to?

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PMantis:

The idea there, is... the virtual host is already on, no more power consumtion.

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wagnerrp:

so run it on the physical host

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PMantis:

Perhaps WOL for the other backends

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wagnerrp:

and mythbackend is not designed to run tunerless

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wagnerrp:

and dont expect to run mythbackend on some underpowered ARM-based linux NAS

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PMantis:

Would bad things happen without a card?

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wagnerrp:

you want a real amount of power behind your backend and database

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PMantis:

LOL, of course not... I transcode lots of HD shows.

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wagnerrp:

the backend doesnt average much usage

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wagnerrp:

but it wants a lot of power for the database and scheduler

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wagnerrp:

and mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

that consumes a bunch too

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PMantis:

So running the master backed without a tuner was never considered, and not recommended?

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[R]:

you said your going to run it in a vm

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[R]:

where si that vm going to run?

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wagnerrp:

if it was considered, it was deemed unnecessary

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PMantis:

On a virtual host.

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wagnerrp:

it will 'work', but is completely untested, and there are some known issues (that i dont know of off hand)

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[R]:

PMantis: yes... and the physical hardware is...

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wagnerrp:

there are some plans to change that, now that mythvideo and hopefully mythmusic are migrating to storage groups

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: Ok, then I'll leave it how I have it now.

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wagnerrp:

PMantis: this is a machine thats going to be running all the time?

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: As it stands, I have my myth server and my virtual host running 24/7. I was considering a way to reduce the electric bill.

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wagnerrp:

so stuff all the tuners and hard drives in the other system, and have it run as the master

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PMantis:

Not including the firewall appliance, 48 port switch, etc, etc

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wagnerrp:

if you want isolation, for security or maintenance concerns, use some sort of sandbox like VServers

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PMantis:

It sounds like what I envision is more trouble than it's worth.

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY reason to run a full virtual machine is if you need different operating systems (and specifically kernels)

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: Basically isolation. I'm sick and tired of having so many services on on host. I upgrade the distro, 28 things break, rather than me worried about 2 services. If I upgrade my DB server, I only care about postgres and mysql, etc, etc.

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PMantis:

s/on on/on one/

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wagnerrp:

look into vservers

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wagnerrp:

i use something very similar on freebsd (jails)

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: How is that different than virtualization? It's that what the 'V' is?

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wagnerrp:

each jail gets its own ip, network stack, file system root

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: Besides the IP part, kinds sounds like a chroot.

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wagnerrp:

but its all done by the kernel, so theres nearly no overhead, no need to simulate hardware or provide a virtual BIOS or any of the other cruft that comes with full VMs

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wagnerrp:

yes, its like a chroot on steroids

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PMantis:

Hmmm

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wagnerrp:

except where chroot merely fakes a new root, containers are designed with security in mind

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PMantis:

I set up my customers with single VMs per service, and I love the maintenance on that.

[23:25:38]

PMantis:

Upgrade, test one thing, move on.

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PMantis:

Similar?

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wagnerrp:

as long as each of those VMs can run off the same kernel, you can just use vservers to do the same exact thing

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PMantis:

Sorry, we're kinda OT here. :)

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mahr83:

lol, shows how much I was paying attention to both of your questions, and no wagnerrp, i wasnt trying 'ip', funny though

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: So, with the same concept of isolation, I was considering how to split myth into "bite-sized" task related containers.

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PMantis:

..and thought it might save power. :)

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wagnerrp:

can you fit the tuner cards into this server?

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PMantis:

I have 3 HDHomeRuns and only 1 active "carded" tuner. Trying to get some others working, and one was a bad choice – no hardware mpeg encoder.

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PMantis:

So, yeah, I could put them in the other.

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wagnerrp:

well if you have HDHRs, then theres no problem

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wagnerrp:

just run your backend and database on the server, and have it connect to them

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wagnerrp:

there are no physical restrictions with a network attached tuner

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PMantis:

But I occasionally have some "blips" in the recorded video, and I'm not sure if it's network related, processor, etc.

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wagnerrp:

could be a 'blip' in the transmission, could be a network hiccup

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PMantis:

That, too. I should rewind and play same thing again to see.

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wagnerrp:

i mean during recording

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PMantis:

Yeah, I understand. if I rewind and it's in the same spot each time, prob recorded that way.

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PMantis:

But... was is an IP network issue with my switch during recording? dunno.

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PMantis:

Ho many people put the HDHRs on a separate network connected to a backend?

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wagnerrp:

i doubt many

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mahr83:

wagnerrp, thanks, I killed my session that was listening on 6567 and changed the port and a telnet worked

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mahr83:

but then it dropped me out.

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k-man:

PMantis: why on a seperate network?

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PMantis:

k-man: I was only considering it to completely rule out network congestion as a possible problem with recordings.

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k-man:

PMantis: what speed network do you have? and how many hdhrs do you have?

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PMantis:

But the HDHRs have 2 tuners on a 100Mbit connection, and that's barely taxed... so it's more of a worry that some other geeky thing (NFS) is hogging too much.

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PMantis:

k-man: I have 3.

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PMantis:

k-man: oh, and a 48 port gigabit Linksys switch

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mahr83:

Thanks for all the help.

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mahr83:

my wife doesnt like all my hard work because there is a small 1/8 inch border of black around the tv.... that and I paused her tv show

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PMantis:

mahr83: Ahhh, the wife test.

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: usually its the other way around, overscaling is common, underscaling is rare

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jamesd_laptop:

mahr83, wait it gets better if she likes it she will have you settting up recording schedules for every show she watches.... and if you have a minor hickup.. she will get pissed it didn't record her favorite show...

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PMantis:

lol

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mahr83:

lol

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mahr83:

nah, she has a spendy smart phone she can blame that

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PMantis:

mahr83: Set up recording schedules that then auto-transcode and feed to her smartphone via RSS so she always has her shows on her phone! That'll impress her. :)

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mahr83:

your not helping

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PMantis:

Heh

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mahr83:

so how do i adjust the scaling?

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wagnerrp:

overscaling, mythtv can fix

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wagnerrp:

underscaling... thats something your video drivers will have to correc

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wagnerrp:

t

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[R]:

myth has a setting to overscan

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[R]:

i set mine to 2%

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mahr83:

aah, thanks, I'll play with that later, just glad I have a fully configured media box, considering I pulled it out of a corner a week ago and the box had not been turned on in over 620 days

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PMantis:

lol congrats mahr83

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