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Tuesday, June 1st, 2010, 00:00 AST

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blarney:

wagnerrp: just curious about the provided "PulseAudio:default" option provided, is that a new feature that has been provided recently since 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will enumerate the available devices on your system and list them

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wagnerrp:

rather than providing a number of static defaults as it did previously

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blarney:

ah, I see

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blarney:

previously I had used "ALSA: default"

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wagnerrp:

that should still be listed as available

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wagnerrp:

if not, you can try typing it in manually

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blarney:

right and it is, but I was having trouble getting it to work, which was why I switched to using PulseAudio

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** blarney goes to switch it back again **

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blarney:

wagnerrp: switching back gives me a zillion "NVP(2): prebuffering pause" and choppy sound worse than with PulseAudio :(

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wagnerrp:

well if its any consolation, your problem wont exist in 0.24

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wagnerrp:

not sure what the current solution is though

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wagnerrp:

ive never run a distro that uses pulse, so its never been something ive had to contend with

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blarney:

it was working fine on the old hardware

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blarney:

but I switched back to using "ALSA:default" and now I don't get any messages from Pulse but I do get those prebuffering errors

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DeadliestSnatch:

Where can I find mythlink.pl?

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wagnerrp:

on the wiki

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DeadliestSnatch:

I must be blind as a bat...

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl

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DeadliestSnatch:

whoops

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DeadliestSnatch:

forgot to ssh to my backend

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DeadliestSnatch:

:-X

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wagnerrp:

oh, guess its still in the repository

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . /mythlink.pl

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k-man:

for what its worth, i got mythtv running nicely through pulse audio last night

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k-man:

it was fairly trivial to get runnin

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k-man:

.23 fixes

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blarney:

wagnerrp: seems my issue seems to have been the CPU profile, somehow in upgrading the database it got switched (I think) from "Normal" to "CPU+"

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nobody88:

Hi,my Mythtv is unable to record shows sometimes. It say's that it is recording, but no files are created. When I choose Watch TV, it says that it's recording, when I go to the Media library, I and choose the title currently being recorded, I get: The file for this recording can not be found.If I cancel recording or let it finish and schedule a new one, then the same thing happens all over again. But if I choose to watch livetv instead of scheduli

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nobody88:

ng a recording, then everything works and the corresponding .mpg file is created.After watching LiveTV, recording a show is also working...The logfiles don't show problems...

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justinh:

try mythbackend -v record

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nobody88:

i did

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dibbz:

do you have multiple tuners?

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nobody88:

no only one

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dibbz:

how long does live tv take to appear on your tv

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nobody88:

hmm

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dibbz:

like, is it having lock issues

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nobody88:

I think 2–3 sec

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dibbz:

or does it take abnormally long to lock etc

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dibbz:

hm not long

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dibbz:

i get bad recordings when one of my tuners is crap

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dibbz:

and live tv picks a diff tuner

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dibbz:

id delete all the chans in mythtv-setup and scan again, just to be cool

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nobody88:

but I only have one tuner

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dibbz:

yeh i was just saying

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dibbz:

id check the path for recordings

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dibbz:

too

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nobody88:

if I do an new scan, then my recording informations are broken. right?

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dibbz:

how so

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dibbz:

nah the channel names should remain the same

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nobody88:

yes but the id is another

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nobody88:

but I will try later...

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Jay2k1:

hmm

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Jay2k1:

just thinking

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Jay2k1:

scheduled recordings go to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings by default

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Jay2k1:

live tv to /var/lib/mythtv/livetv

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Jay2k1:

perhaps a permissions issue in the recordings folder?

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nobody88:

hmm

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nobody88:

mom

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Jay2k1:

so that when you start live tv and then press record, the show is recorded in the live tv folder...

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Jay2k1:

...which works, but normal scheduled recordings don't?

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nobody88:

I have a look

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nobody88:

one moment

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nobody88:

where do I find the path where live tv recordings are stored

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nobody88:

?

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Jay2k1:

as i said, usually /var/lib/mythtv/livetv

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Jay2k1:

you could as well look in the database

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Jay2k1:

or, even easier, go to the webinterface

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Jay2k1:

it should be there somewhere

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nobody88:

I changed the path sheduled recordings but i'm not sure with live tv

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Jay2k1:

did you try /var/lib/mythtv/livetv?

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Jay2k1:

if there are recent files in it, it'll be it

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nobody88:

there is nothing

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Jay2k1:

can you access mythweb?

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nobody88:

no

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nobody88:

i didn't set it up

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Jay2k1:

i wonder if there's a need to set it up

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Jay2k1:

anyway, if you enter the IP of your myth machine in a browser and nothing is found, it's probably not working

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Jay2k1:

you need to access the db in another way i guess

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justinh:

oh no. I just participates in a swindle. son in-law of a guy who works here wanted 2 audio leads making up. From what was basically £50 a metre ribbon cable & crappy polythene RCA connectors with 'tellurium copper' conductors. What a douche

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nobody88:

i have access to the database

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Jay2k1:

or you do `find /* -type f -iname *.mpg` and look for the paths of the files...

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Jay2k1:

ok

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Jay2k1:

justinh can you help me on where to find the path to livetv in the db?

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justinh:

no

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Jay2k1:

i don't have access to my machine atm

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nobody88:

and I know where my sheduled recording are. and I thin k live tv is also stored there, but I'm not sure

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justinh:

everybody should *know* where recordings are stored

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Jay2k1:

heh

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justinh:

default ubuntu/mythbuntu installs set the default storage group to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings IIRC

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Jay2k1:

well, what should be and what actually is is often different

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justinh:

/var/lib/PFFT

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Jay2k1:

yeah it's about livetv though

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justinh:

otherwise the user would *know* because they *set* it

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Jay2k1:

usually on ubuntu it's /var/lib/mythtv/livetv afair

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Jay2k1:

in this case, though, it's not

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justinh:

the default is to keep everything in one group AFAIK

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justinh:

or if it's not it should be

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nobody88:

ok the default storage group I set to /srv/media/mythtv

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nobody88:

so livetv is also there?

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justinh:

by default the livetv SG is the same as the default group

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nobody88:

so it there is not the problem why livetv is working and sheduled recordings not always

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Jay2k1:

the easiest way to find out is start watching livetv and look for a newly created file in there i guess

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justinh:

thinking back, this isn't a file permissions issue

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justinh:

it's more likely a tuner problem

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justinh:

i.e. it's not being initialised properly all the time. sounds like drivers

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justinh:

you never said what kind of tuner it is, and whether or not you've tried it with other programs

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nobody88:

i tried is with other progrms.mplayer

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nobody88:

no problem

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justinh:

so what sort of tuner is it?

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nobody88:

its a Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146

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justinh:

since when can mplayer user dvb devices natively? :-O

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justinh:

*use

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nobody88:

it can

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justinh:

what – as in mplayer /dev/dvb/dvr0 ?

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nobody88:

mplayer dvb://channel name

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justinh:

meh

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nobody88:

but could it be a driver problem if livetv is always working?

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justinh:

possibly not, but it's hardly likely to be a permissions issue if recordings *sometimes* work is it?

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nobody88:

is livetv doing someting different than sheduled recordings. does livetv wait longer for signal than sheduled recordings

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nobody88:

?

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justinh:

by default, I don't know

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justinh:

of course users can mess with those settings & royally screw things up :)

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nobody88:

mythbackend is running as root. so no permission problem

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

why is mythbackend running as root?

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justinh:

that's wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

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nobody88:

I know

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nobody88:

but at the mom its running as root

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nobody88:

I will change it, if everything works

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justinh:

this ubuntu install has been freaked with some hasn't it?

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nobody88:

ubuntu install?

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justinh:

not ubuntu?

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nobody88:

fedora

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** justinh wonders why noobs can't choose a more suitable noob distro... **

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nobody88:

I'm not noob I'm troubleshooting;)

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somethinginteres:

hi all, I am wondering if there's a way to set schedule options for every program across the board rather than on an individual basis? Right now I need to set each program to record 5min early 10min late and I'd sure like to speed things up :)

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justinh:

course there's a way

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Jay2k1:

you can prefill these fields

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Jay2k1:

i just don't remember where it was

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Jay2k1:

i think somewhere in frontend setup

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somethinginteres:

I'll have a look once more

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justinh:

hmmm. it's a setting for TV. for recordings

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justinh:

nor where could it be? hmmmm

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somethinginteres:

I found it in "Recording Priorities"

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Jay2k1:

thing is, i remember there were two places with settings that sounded like this, but one of them was completely different

[05:52:18]

justinh:

ruh? shouldn't be in there

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Jay2k1:

that was pretty confusing

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justinh:

WTH is it doing in there? :-O

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somethinginteres:

no idea :)

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somethinginteres:

I guess that's how I missed it :P

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** justinh deletes concept-wide **

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justinh:

bah!

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justinh:

I'll just have to put up with the stupidbuntu-cut-off-text theme

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justinh:

please wai

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justinh:

watch rec...

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justinh:

wonder if anybody's ever gonna bother making new watermarks for all the missing ones

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Jay2k1:

when all the rest works fine perhaps heh

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justinh:

no, it's just one of the themes which doesn't coincidentally scale well to a 4:3 aspect

[06:18:36]

justinh:

a 4:3 aspect I'm forced to stick to because intel video drivers don't allow wide modes with tvout

[06:19:20]

Jay2k1:

i was gonna ask about this anyway

[06:19:38]

Jay2k1:

i have a 16:9 crt tv, i'm running on s-video out on 1024x768

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Jay2k1:

using mythbuntu-wide

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Jay2k1:

is this the correct way?

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justinh:

not in my exp...

[06:20:07]

justinh:

because mythbuntu-wide cuts off te...

[06:20:38]

justinh:

notice that the ellipsis it cuts text off with occupy more space than the characters it cut off would :D

[06:20:51]

justinh:

I *love* that irony

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justinh:

but running wide themes at non-wide aspects.. YMMV

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somethinginteres:

random Question – does mythtv accept donations?

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justinh:

no wide theme is knowingly designed to look ok on a non-wide screen

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Jay2k1:

heh yeah

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justinh:

somethinginteres: I do

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Jay2k1:

it's quite funny, i smiled at that a few times too

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somethinginteres:

;)

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Jay2k1:

well as I said it *is* a wide screen, its just i don't use a widescreen resolution due to analog output

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Jay2k1:

i might try 1280x720 but i'm not sure that would work

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justinh:

Jay2k1: oops. s/screen/resolution/

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Jay2k1:

i think i can only choose 1024x768 and 800x600 anyway

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Jay2k1:

ah ok

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nobody88:

is it possible to change the size of the box which shows the plot of a movie in mythvideo? Because I'm never able to see the whole plot.

[07:42:11]

justinh:

yeah you edit the theme

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justinh:

there's no setting for 'size of the box which contains the plot of a movie'

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nobody88:

so I have to change the source and compile?

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justinh:

no you edit THE THEME

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justinh:

themes are constructed from XML files

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justinh:

see $prefix/share/mythtv/themes/

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nobody88:

ah ok

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nobody88:

thanks

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justinh:

where $prefix is either /usr/ or /usr/local/

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nobody88:

yes i know

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nobody88:

thanks

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justinh:

video-ui.xml is likely the place you'll need to look btw

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nobody88:

I'm already there;)

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Jay2k1:

careful with updates then

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nobody88:

I know. I will make a new Theme MythCenterCustom or something if it's possible

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justinh:

mythcenter? bleugh

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Jay2k1:

i like it as well :x

[07:50:45]

justinh:

what's there to like? :-O

[07:51:29]

** lyricnz notices his mythbox got updated to 0.23 – never noticed, hahahah **

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lyricnz:

binary packages ftw ;)

[07:52:09]

justinh:

lyricnz: dangerous

[07:52:38]

lyricnz:

yeah, true.

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justinh:

one day stuff will break – and you won't know why. You'll likely not know how to fix it either

[07:53:21]

lyricnz:

I have a buildable source tree here, I just don't use it at the moment. Too Much Hassle.

[07:53:38]

lyricnz:

Worst case I'll restore the DB, and roll back the RPM

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lyricnz:

or swtich to my own build

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justinh:

compared to auto installing updates which have the potential to cause untold breakage? LOL

[07:54:18]

lyricnz:

it's not auto installed – I just didn't notice mythtv when I ran the updates last week

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lyricnz:

It's been running 0.23 branch since Feb

[07:55:37]

lyricnz:

just svn and rc's

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justinh:

that's less bad I suppose

[07:56:36]

lyricnz:

I was very paranoid at 0.22->0.23

[07:56:47]

lyricnz:

Had experienced trouble a couple of times in the past with that kind of thing

[07:56:59]

lyricnz:

Multiple frontends wanting to update schemas, or whatever

[08:01:40]

lyricnz:

I know this is a linuxtv question, but anyone recommend a decent multi-tuner setup for DVB in AU? I have two slightly different versions of dvico dual digital, which don't seem to cohabit nicely

[08:02:20]

sid3windr:

heh, I just did .21 to .23 this weekend and didn't have any issues almost

[08:02:28]

sid3windr:

except constant segfaulting of the frontend on startup

[08:02:35]

sid3windr:

but after 50 tries it started and is still running

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sid3windr:

:p

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Jay2k1:

yay, hansenet

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justinh:

sid3windr: did you see any problems with the recorded table?

[08:05:14]

justinh:

look in mythfrontend output btw

[08:05:30]

rockhound:

hi everyone ...

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Jay2k1:

hi rockhound... you from hh?

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rockhound:

anyone using acpi wakeup

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rockhound:

Jay2k1: yes

[08:06:04]

rockhound:

why?

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Jay2k1:

so am i

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rockhound:

well thumbsup

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rockhound:

;-)

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Jay2k1:

oh and i use the bios rtc wakeup

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sid3windr:

justinh: recorded table? not that I know :)

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sid3windr:

why?

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justinh:

sid3windr: I had issues with it not having done the schema update right for whatever reason

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rockhound:

Jay2k1: is there a way that I can run my setwkaup up script via a regular mythshutdown? ...

[08:07:00]

justinh:

it was missing a field

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sid3windr:

ah hmm, seems to work ok for me

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rockhound:

I sometimes turn the thing off via regular menu shutdown but I would like it to set the wakeup time

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Jay2k1:

rockhound: sure you can... somewhere in the setup you can set a command it should use for shutdown

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rockhound:

make sens?

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dibbz:

lyricnz: sony playtv works aparently or hdhomerun

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justinh:

sid3windr: cool. that'll save me investigating it further then :)

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rockhound:

Jay2k1: that is only if it shuts down via idle timeout

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rockhound:

I have that working

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sid3windr:

justinh: put it down to "matrix glitch" ? :)

[08:08:11]

Jay2k1:

rockhound: and you mean by pressing esc in the mythtv main menu? or using mythwelcome?

[08:08:12]

justinh:

sid3windr: put it down to the db was almost totally FUBAR more like ;)

[08:08:20]

rockhound:

main menu

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Jay2k1:

ah... well, i use mythwelcome

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sid3windr:

oh right :p

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rockhound:

Jay2k1: need to try that out ...

[08:09:28]

rockhound:

so you have a seperate front and backend?

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Jay2k1:

if you want the machine to wake up itself and then shutdown automatically afterwards, i think mythwelcome is what you want

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Jay2k1:

no, combined

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justinh:

sid3windr: my recorded table ended up missing the bookmarkupdate column

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rockhound:

I will be back later

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Jay2k1:

<.<

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k-man:

anyone had problems with pulseaudio working for a while then failing until the daemon is restarted?

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justinh:

w00t! my pack of mega huge stickers for the nursery wall have arrived

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justinh:

k-man: I would never have a problem if pulseaudio just crawled into a hole & died

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k-man:

justinh: is it that bad?

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justinh:

yes

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k-man:

what makes it s obad?

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k-man:

so bad

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justinh:

no idea

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Jay2k1:

heh

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justinh:

it tries too hard, and fails on almost every level

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lyricnz:

die pulseaudio die

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justinh:

not low enough latency, not easy enough to configure.. and definitely not enough control over it

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lyricnz:

how many fucking layers does linux audio need? Sheesh!

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justinh:

language

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lyricnz:

sry, the state of linux audio over the last 10 years just drives me CRAZY

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justinh:

like PA gives you this per application volume control thing.. but it's accessed from PREFERENCES?! :-O

[08:15:27]

justinh:

OSS4 had the right idea IMHO, but they never took off cos they hated freedom. Or something

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justinh:

trying to be all things to all people is where PA is going wrong I think

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k-man:

as far as i can tell, pulseaudio does the same thing as jack

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justinh:

not quite

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k-man:

well, my limited experience of pulse audio is, it was difficult to work out how to configure it, but once i did, mythtv and mpd played nice. but 24 hours or so later pulseaudio seemed to fail to output so i had to restart the daemon

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justinh:

having a common sink for everything is a brilliant idea

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justinh:

havign configs you can switch between on the fly is also a brilliant idea

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justinh:

BUT...

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justinh:

if by implementing these things you add unpredictable latency & crap.. WTH is the point?

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Jay2k1:

rockhound: http://blog.jay2k1.com/2010/02/21/building-a- . . . thbuntu-910/

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Jay2k1:

this is how i did it

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wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: too late, he left

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rockhound:

Jay2k1: I have been with myth for 6 years now ... 3 in full production (aka house residents all using it) ...

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wagnerrp:

oh, he came back

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Jay2k1:

:)

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rockhound:

the idle timeout works fine ... but upon manual shutdown it does not come back up

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rockhound:

and yes, I am back ;-)

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Jay2k1:

wow, six years

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Jay2k1:

well, from the beginning i wanted my machine to auto shutdown&wake up

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Jay2k1:

so i went with mythwelcome

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Jay2k1:

if i want to shutdown the machine, i just exit mythfrontend, ending up on mythwelcome which then waits 60 seconds and powers off

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Jay2k1:

60 seconds being my idle timeout

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** lyricnz might almost have 10 years of mythtv **

[08:23:34]

lyricnz:

8 anyway

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lyricnz:

must be 8

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wagnerrp:

8 is more reasonable, it hasnt been around for 10

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Jay2k1:

so if the machine wakes up, it just starts mythwelcome, records, and is able tp shitdown afterwards

[08:24:06]

k-man:

i have 20 years of mythtv

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rockhound:

i am on mythbuntu aswell ... with jya builds of mythtv ...

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Jay2k1:

make that shutdown

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lyricnz:

haha

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rockhound:

anyhow

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rockhound:

never used mythwelcome

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wagnerrp:

k-man: what... did i just get done saying?

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rockhound:

I thought it was only for fridge-TV-sets

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wagnerrp:

now i want you to go up to the chalkboard, and write 100 times, 'mythtv has not been around for 20 years'

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Jay2k1:

the downside of that way is, when you push the power button and go get a coffee while it boots up, and you're gone just a bit too long, it'll power off itself after 60 seconds :P

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yeah, i just wanted to boast

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rockhound:

aka mythfrontends

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k-man:

i've been using myth since .16 i think

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k-man:

maybe .15... no i think it was .16

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rockhound:

Jay2k1: that just kills it for me

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Jay2k1:

humm?

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Jay2k1:

you could always set the idle time higher

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rockhound:

the being gone too long part

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wagnerrp:

rockhound: im sure you can adjust those timeouts

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wagnerrp:

or, you could always put it in standby instead of completely offline

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lyricnz:

I never even had a recording device to start with, then finally got a pvr-350, which was kickass

[08:26:49]

rockhound:

wagnerrp: okay ... but is mythwelcome the only alternative to getting the timer script to execute on shutdown?

[08:27:07]

wagnerrp:

spend a couple dollars a year in power, get near instant startups

[08:27:16]

wagnerrp:

rockhound: mythwelcome doesnt do much of anything

[08:27:25]

wagnerrp:

all the intelligence is in the backend

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rockhound:

wagnerrp: knew that

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Jay2k1:

there's a setting in mythwelcome that it'd start the frontend automatically when it's booted manually, and that it does not start it when it has booted itself for a scheduled recording... now with 0.23 i didn't try yet but in 0.22 this didn't work for me

[08:27:37]

wagnerrp:

it shuts down and sets the timer as it pleases

[08:27:55]

wagnerrp:

the problem is that mythfrontend connects to the backend in a manner that prevents the backend from shutting down

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rockhound:

okay okay ... but I would love the backend to execute my setwakeup script upon every shutdown

[08:28:23]

wagnerrp:

mythwelcome only exists to exit out of the frontend, but still provide an IR controllable menu to allow you to get back into it without a keyboard/mouse

[08:28:31]

rockhound:

that must be doable

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Jay2k1:

a propos, when i shutdown now, the backend keeps respawning

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k-man:

is there a list somewhere of when the different versions of mytht were released?

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rockhound:

Jay2k1: that is the upstart script

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rockhound:

there is a respawn statement inside

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Jay2k1:

ah

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rockhound:

k-man: tried wikipedia?

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rockhound:

;-)

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wagnerrp:

k-man: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags

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rockhound:

or that ;-)

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rockhound:

hmm ... I may be describing in error what I am trying to figure out

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Jay2k1:

so you use acpi wakeup but always have to shutdown manually?

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k-man:

nice thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

looks like 0.16 was 09/10/04

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rockhound:

I use acpi wakeup which is activated correctly when the backend hits its timeout (like no recording in the next 2 hours) etc ... but I often times shutdown the main rig via menu which does not process the setwakeup script ... so no acpi time is set and the damn thing does not turn on in time for the next recording

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wagnerrp:

0.17 was 02/11/05

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wagnerrp:

0.18 was 04/15/05

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wagnerrp:

02/11/06

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wagnerrp:

09/11/06

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rockhound:

wagnerrp: we get it ;-)

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** wagnerrp stops **

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k-man:

ah those were the days

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k-man:

when i first installed mythtv, you had to manually add the channels to the db for DVB

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rockhound:

of ugly frontends

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rockhound:

;-)

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rockhound:

damn too late

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justinh:

0.14 ahh I knew it well

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haffe:

How is the situation now a days. Are DVD-romplayers regionfree or is there still the mess with reflashing them and all that?

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justinh:

software players ignore region codes

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justinh:

so region settings are irrelevant

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haffe:

Ok.

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justinh:

since you have to resort to methods illegal in most parts of the world just to play a DVD in linux – it doesn't matter much#

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Jay2k1:

oh. that might explain why myth dvd playback always failed on my box

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oobe:

according to smartctl and seagates websites a HDD which I have had no problems with for the past 2 years is running firmware with known bugs and suggests i should upgrade it anyone know if its riskier to upgrade my firmware than it is to leave it.

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wagnerrp:

what hard drive?

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wagnerrp:

and firmware

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oobe:

ST31000340AS with SD15

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Jay2k1:

oh that "all of a sudden, bios won't recognise it any more" bug?

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oobe:

there are loads and loads of threads with ppl having problems

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Jay2k1:

has to do with some internal error counter iirc

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oobe:

but i havent had a problem

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oobe:

im only looking into it cause i had another drive die that wasnt all that old

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wagnerrp:

yeah, theres some internal 6-bit counter or something

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wagnerrp:

and if it loops over to 0, and you shut down, the drive is shot

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oobe:

yes Jay2k1 that bug

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Jay2k1:

exactly

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oobe:

should i be worried

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Jay2k1:

i don't know if there's an easy way to read out that value

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wagnerrp:

well that puts it at about a 3% chance of death on each reboot

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Jay2k1:

but now that it's been quite some time since discovery of that bug, i'd say it's pretty safe to update the firmware

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oobe:

i actually have enough space to backup the contents unplug my other drives and install the new firmware

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oobe:

so i guess its safe

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Jay2k1:

when they first released an update, they took it back shortly after because it was bugged as well or so

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oobe:

i just worry i might brick it

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wagnerrp:

between his own drives and ones he bought at work, iamlindoro lost like 20 drives through that bug

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Jay2k1:

well, i guess the chance it'll die some day is bigger

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Jay2k1:

20 drives? holy fu..

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oobe:

I guess i been lucky cause i only found out about it recently

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wagnerrp:

you can always wait around and ask his opinion

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wagnerrp:

im sure hell have a very strong one

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oobe:

and not through any poor experience

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Jay2k1:

haha

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Jay2k1:

i'd go for backup then update

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oobe:

problem is if i search for ppl who have issues with my model and fw i can find them but if i search for ppl with issues upgrading to the latest best version i can find that too

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Jay2k1:

:/

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oobe:

i dont think anyone has bricked it though

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oobe:

ok i will do it

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oobe:

thanks i wasnt sure if i should ask this here

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oobe:

you guys have been helpful cheers

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Jay2k1:

keep your thanks until you have flashed it ;)

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j-rod:

whomever said "fedora might compiel [sic] with some stupid patches" is, well, stupid.

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wagnerrp:

the power of fedora compiels you

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j-rod:

there's a grand total of three patches in the rpm fusion mythtv 0.23 packages: 1) mythtv svn fixes 2) mythplugins svn fixes and 3) a patch to put the rpm version info into —version output rather than 'exported'

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j-rod:

so the only thing that isn't 100% upstream -fixes is the version output patch

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j-rod:

in completely unrelated news… I've successfully written an ir-core "decoder" plugin that simply passes raw IR data along to lirc_dev, which then passes data along to lircd.

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j-rod:

so my new ir-core mceusb driver has zero lirc-isms in it, but can still output data via /dev/lirc0 to lircd if so desired

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j-rod:

its pretty fucking cool

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j-rod:

can even have simultaneous in-kernel and userspace decode if you're masochistic (or just want to double-check the decoders against one another)

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janneg:

j-rod: just include a VERSION file with the information you want or patch it if you use the official tarballs as source

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j-rod:

janneg: that's basically what I'm doing (I use the official tarballs as a base)

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j-rod:

but I could be Doing It Wrong

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janneg:

j-rod: I wouldn't consider that as patch

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wagnerrp:

speaking of 'Doing It Wrong'....

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j-rod:

janneg: so I'm actually patching mythtv/version.h … setting SOURCE_VERSION="###SOURCE_VERSION###" and stripping out some bits in there I don't need

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j-rod:

and the rpm spec file swaps in something appropriate for ###SOURCE_VERSION###

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wagnerrp:

janneg: do you know of a cleaner way to override the 'uninstall' directive in a project file... http://pastebin.org/297923

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wagnerrp:

that .pro works, but it ends up with two separate 'uninstall' sections in the makefile

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j-rod:

so for example, mythbackend —version -> MythTV Version : 0.23–1.fc12 (r24509)

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janneg:

j-rod: just write 'SOURCE_VERSION="0.23–1.fc12 (r24509)"' into VERSION

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janneg:

the tarballs should already have a VERSION

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j-rod:

oh. damn. haha. now I see where that's done in the script.

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oobe:

yea true Jay2k1

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j-rod:

janneg: I feel dumb now. thank you! :)

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janneg:

wagnerrp: no, I wouldn't bother with make uninstall

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wagnerrp:

janneg: im getting problems with people ending up with multiple installed copies of the bindings, causing conflicts

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wagnerrp:

so i wanted something to be able to flush everything out

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wagnerrp:

i can always just direct people to run 'python setup.py uninstall' directly, on the couple instances it occurs

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justinh:

pfft. we've all been given dvds to watch at our 'leisure' which we'll be tested on later

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justinh:

about how excellent our CEO is. Meh

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justinh:

only they're not really DVDs but autoplay monstrosities

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justinh:

which won't play on my desktop PC cos it's too crap. Heh

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

I hate that. you can't demand respect from people

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j-rod:

respect mah authoratah!

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justinh:

lol

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j-rod:

not sure if that or "screw you guys, I'm going home" is my favorite cartman line

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justinh:

awww my poor duron 1200 desktop machine just can't play 320x240 flash video at all

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j-rod:

ow.

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justinh:

come the time of the test I'll hit em with that

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justinh:

yeah the company is SO good, you can't give me a machine capable of playing your sycophantic DVDs

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sid3windr:

lol

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justinh:

morons, pathetic morons in my employ, stealing my precious money....

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justinh:

ach well. it's hometime.

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janneg:

our president just resigned with "people don't show the appropiated respect to his position" because journalists and politicians critized him

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highzeth:

janneg: didnt he try to do that a few times earlier this year?

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highzeth:

or are you .nl not .be? =)

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janneg:

resign? don't think so. no I'm in BErlin, germany

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highzeth:

oh sorry, somehow I thought you where in the waffle region hehe

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highzeth:

the .be PM resigned atleast twice over a few weeks, thats the way to boost confidence in your politicians

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wagnerrp:

how do you resign multiple times?

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wagnerrp:

he call a 'mulligan'?

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: I quit! (ok, I dont, but I like the attention), NOW I really Quit. etc.. you know, childs play

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superdump:

janneg: what does the german president do?

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superdump:

the bbc claims the job is largely ceremonial

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highzeth:

ahh he stepped down only 3 times, not bad.

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highzeth:

Yves Leterme, you sir are a champ

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janneg:

superdump: yes. he can refuse to sign laws if he has reason to believe that the law is unconstitutional

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superdump:

sounds a bit like the queen in the uk

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superdump:

i think she basically has to sign laws in practice but in theory she can reject them

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highzeth:

Are there any european king or queen with any real power left? Our king is the same, ceremonial and thats about it

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janneg:

superdump: I think the queen is in theory more powerful

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GlemSom:

I've reported ticket 7801 5 months ago. It's now fixed thanks to kormoc! Though, since I prefer not to use trunk atm, I have backported the patch to 0.23, and uploaded the file to trac... Now, I wonder if someone will pick it up, and put it into 0.23-fixes (test it first ofc!!), or will I have to inform someone about the patch? (note, the ticket is now closed, as it's fixed in trunk). Since it's a regression si

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GlemSom:

nce 0.21, I personally think it needs to be put in 0.23-fixes...

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npm:

don't run compiz: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . st&num=1

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kormoc:

GlemSom: Well, it's odd, it's not really a regression. It's more client dependent then anything else. I streamed via VLC and had it setup to retry on early close so it'd do the right thing

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GlemSom:

kormoc, Ohh ok.

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GlemSom:

I just tested with wget and mplayer though

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kormoc:

yeah, it's fixed for stupid players

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kormoc:

but smarter ones will bypass that and just re-request, basically getting the same advantage, just on their end

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GlemSom:

kormoc, nice! :)

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GlemSom:

kormoc, Will it be put in 0.23-fixes too?

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kormoc:

GlemSom: I typically don't bother

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kormoc:

but perhaps after I get the multi-range request stuff in

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kormoc:

sync both over, as that fixes another player problem

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GlemSom:

kormoc, Ok, I guess if a 0.23 users google's for the problem – they'll find the ticket :P

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** skd5aner comes back from 3 weeks of travel to see a bazillion items on -commits **

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, good luck skd5aner

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: how do you get tmdb.py into the new output format? '-X' doesnt seem to do anything

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skd5aner:

:)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: append X to the existing option

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iamlindoro:

-MX for a search, -DX for data

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wagnerrp:

i bet its because im hooking into the API in the old bindings

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Expect the command line to change again once I get MythVideo changes committed though

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iamlindoro:

it'll go back to -M and -D alone, since that will be the only supported style

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that was it... working now

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oobe:

well i upgraded my firmware ok

[13:07:38]

oobe:

seems to be ok

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jarle:

So I need to create a udev rule to get my Nova HD-S2 card to always get connected to a specific adapter, Guess some of you have already done this, or something similar. Got anything to share?

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AndyCap:

jarle: you've seen this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Device_Filenames_and_udev

[13:37:19]

jarle:

AndyCap: thnx, will have a look

[13:40:09]

AndyCap:

jarle: one thing there might be that E: lines from udevadm info can be matched with $ENV{param_name} == in udev rules

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AndyCap:

if I got that part right. :P

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AndyCap:

or maybe not.

[13:42:15]

AndyCap:

No. I'm just on crack

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jarle:

AndyCap: as I have 3 adapters, and I need one of the adapters to have special settings I guess I would go on to create a symlink for this specific card? and then just let the other two cards (automatically?) be assigned 0 and 1?

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AndyCap:

jarle: I think that would work.

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jarle:

AndyCap: I'm a bit unsure if I would be able to lock the one card to any of the 0–2 numbers, or if I need to choose a very high number to prevent possible conflict?

[13:49:43]

AndyCap:

semms they use a high number in the example

[13:50:19]

jarle:

AndyCap: yeah, I think I have seen adapter99 used in different places on the net

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Wouldn't it be a lot, lot faster to just make many changes at once and save with a message of "update from rxxxxx-ryyyyy" ?

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iamlindoro:

You would end up reverting a lot less, too

[13:59:38]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I'm comfortable doing it one at a time. If it's spamming you or others with alerts, then I might be willing to reconsider and doing mass updates

[13:59:58]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Just makes it a lot harder to read the wiki changelog

[14:01:01]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I can do it in batch, but then I have to edit the whole wiki page and not just sections... if you'd really rather me do it that way, I suppose I can

[14:01:25]

skd5aner:

I just like seeing my name in the wiki changelog A LOT! ;) j/k

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Well as it is, every change is a change, and then 50% of them get reverted, so it's just a little messy to those of us also spending time policing the wiki

[14:02:04]

skd5aner:

NP, I only revert maybe 5%-10% of mine at most...

[14:02:21]

skd5aner:

not to say others might not revert, I suppose

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skd5aner:

is it an issue if I have the wiki page open for editing for a long time then? Won't that prevent others from editing the wiki if they try?

[14:03:08]

wagnerrp:

no

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iamlindoro:

I think you will be much more efficient if you do 100 revisions or so per save

[14:03:26]

wagnerrp:

the wiki will automatically try to merge as much as possible

[14:03:32]

iamlindoro:

And way, way less likely to revert anything

[14:03:38]

wagnerrp:

and if it fails due to a conflict, it will complain

[14:04:01]

wagnerrp:

at which point you will have to resolve the conflict manually

[14:04:04]

skd5aner:

haha, 100... might be a stretch, but I can definitely reduce it probably by 10x, at least to start, fair enough?

[14:04:37]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I'm not saying *you* make 100 changes, I am talking about walking through 100 of *our* changesets per save

[14:04:49]

iamlindoro:

Which might be 20–25 entires at most

[14:04:50]

skd5aner:

yea, I know...

[14:05:25]

skd5aner:

ok

[14:06:03]

skd5aner:

fair enough... I suppose you'd like to not be so granular when diving through the changelogs to see when something changed

[14:06:17]

skd5aner:

wiki changelogs that is

[14:06:43]

iamlindoro:

Ultimately it's fine to do what works for you, it just seems a little (lot) suboptimal to do one at a time

[14:07:38]

skd5aner:

anyone mind explaining to me what this changeset means in relation to the DTD files recently created? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2010-May/067297.html

[14:07:57]

skd5aner:

what's the difference between the DTD and XSD, and when is one used versus the other?

[14:08:54]

wagnerrp:

document type definition, vs. xml schema definition

[14:09:55]

iamlindoro:

http://weblogs.asp.net/rchartier/archive/2006/03/21/440782.aspx

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skd5aner:

thanks, just found that article via google when I asked here

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: yeah, known 'problem'

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wagnerrp:

it only happens when youre terminating python

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wagnerrp:

which means it wont actually print a backtrace for me to figure out whats going on

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wagnerrp:

but the worst that could happen is some connection left hanging

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wagnerrp:

i dont want to close it 'wontfix' since it should be fixed... but its not even trivial priority at the moment

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dustybin:

its time to say goodbye to my backend, been using it since .18

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dustybin:

my new home for my backend will be a intel i530 :D

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jarle:

AndyCap: after reading a bit it seems like using the adapter_nr for the dvb card module is a better option than using udev for this after all..

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AndyCap:

jarle: hehe, yeah, if you only have one card perhaps

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AndyCap:

one card of that type..

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jarle:

AndyCap: yes, and you could also use this to group similar cards (based on the dvb driver used), al cards with one driver has adapter 0–3 and another group has 4–6 for example

[14:37:15]

** jarle is wondering if it really is normal for mythfrontend to us 1,2GB of memory?? **

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** kormoc thinks jarle isn't using pmap to figure that out **

[14:39:07]

jarle:

kormoc: this is top's VIRT number..

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kormoc:

jarle: so you're looking at all the mapped memory, which includes on disk mapped .so libs and similar

[14:39:45]

kormoc:

jarle: so yes, that's completely normal and not real memory usage at all

[14:41:33]

Beirdo:

kormoc: thank you for the reminder about pmap :) That will come in handy again in debugging. I blame the beer for killing the brain cells that knew about it.

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jarle:

kormoc: I have 2GB in my combined be/fe (running 1080P xfce desktop), and it is right now using 350+ MB of swap

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AndyCap:

kormoc: http://www.fpaste.org/75vy/

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AndyCap:

not that I'm complaining. :P

[14:44:35]

AndyCap:

just 770M with lock stock and libraries

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kormoc:

jarle: and I have 4 gigs of ram with 2.2 gigs free and 500 megs of swap used

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kormoc:

AndyCap: pmap -d `pidof mythfrontend` | tail -n 1

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kormoc:

jarle: swap doesn't always indicate that it's out of ram

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kormoc:

jarle: the RES column in top is close to real memory usage

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AndyCap:

kormoc: device format is?

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jarle:

kormoc: yeah, I know -/+ buffers/cache I have 765MB free RAM..

[14:46:28]

kormoc:

AndyCap: hrm? device format?

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AndyCap:

here we go mapped: 669468K writeable/private: 397140K shared: 156672K

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AndyCap:

Doh. I typoed the 770M bit. sorry. :)

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kormoc:

AndyCap: so it's really using almost 400 megs of ram :)

[14:47:09]

kormoc:

woah

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jarle:

kormoc: pmap shows me quite a few "anon"

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kormoc:

your shared is huge

[14:47:47]

kormoc:

AndyCap: I only have 5 megs shared, 150 seems high

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kormoc:

jarle: use the same command line I gave AndyCap

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Beirdo:

is that due to libmythtv, etc being shared between frontend/backend?

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kormoc:

Beirdo: nah, that's in the mapped, shared is SHM

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Beirdo:

Oh. Duh :)

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Beirdo:

it really is a supplemental Monday for me

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jarle:

kormoc: mapped: 1240076K writeable/private: 572604K shared: 84376K

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kormoc:

jarle: so your real usage is ~650 megs of ram, that's not that bad at all

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kormoc:

writeable/private + shared == real memory usage

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kormoc:

I still wonder why the shared is so high

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** Beirdo is wondering what mythtv is putting into shared meme **

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kormoc:

pmap -d `pidof mythfrontend` | grep shmid

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jarle:

I keep seeing this when I quit the frontend: "Error in my_thread_global_end(): 7 threads didn't exit" Is this something I should look into, or is this normal?

[14:52:00]

iamlindoro:

normal/known issue with Qt

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jarle:

iamlindoro: not causing zombie/runaway processes?

[14:52:49]

iamlindoro:

no

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jarle:

iamlindoro: good

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iamlindoro:

well, it causes some defunt processes that are reaped when the parent is closed

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: the toMap related commits, do you mind if I combine those as one item in the release nots under the Misc Theme Development sections, or would you prefer to keep them independant line items under MythVideo and MythNetvision respectively?

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iamlindoro:

ie there will be several defunct mythfrontend profecces, but when you close the FE, they will disappear

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iamlindoro:

so it's irrelevant

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: They should be independent items

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skd5aner:

ok

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: They are large changes to both plugins

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skd5aner:

np, wasn't sure if you wanted them generalized and rolled up, or specified to each plugin – will keep them seperate

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iamlindoro:

They also work slightly differently so having them independent will allow people to track any issues with them-- there's one bug with them I'm aware of in MNV that Ineed to fix, but it's minor

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rockhound:

is it normal behavior that all recordings are saved in mpg using DVB in 0.23? ... i am missing nuv ... ;)

[14:59:58]

justinh:

rockhound: yes it's normal, since about 0.18 or so

[14:59:58]

skd5aner:

yes

[15:00:08]

rockhound:

ok

[15:00:12]

rockhound:

wow

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justinh:

they were always mpeg anyway, just with the .nuv extension

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jarle:

It seems like the "delete and re-record" button in mythweb doesn't work like it used to? Several times I've had to make it forget the old recording from the frontend manually after having used "delete and rerecord" in mythweb. Anybody else seen this?

[15:00:56]

rockhound:

am playing around with mythnuv2mks ... and just wondered why it was still called nuv2mks ... but anyhow

[15:01:15]

skd5aner:

jarle: yes, I think I've seen that a couple months ago...

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justinh:

mythnuv2whatnow? :-O

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rockhound:

hold

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jarle:

skd5aner: something that has been fixed?

[15:01:44]

skd5aner:

jarle: had to use the frontend, which is what I normally do anyway... so I don't usually hit that button in mythweb

[15:01:45]

rockhound:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythnuv2mkv

[15:01:56]

skd5aner:

jarle: to the best of my memory, no

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justinh:

wow. does it add group names & generate torrents too?

[15:02:37]

jarle:

skd5aner: possibly some db-changes that mythweb isn't handling correctly?

[15:02:44]

skd5aner:

jarle: but then again, I haven't really checked either

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rockhound:

I just want some mp4/aac conversion ... so neverd bothered

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rockhound:

to check

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kormoc:

mythweb doesn't hit the DB directly for deletes

[15:03:04]

kormoc:

we ask the backend to do it

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kormoc:

it might be erroring out and we're not gracefully handling it

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kormoc:

you'd have to check the backend logs

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jarle:

skd5aner: just now it happened to me the second time and then I started thinking...

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skd5aner:

kormoc: I tried it once, shortly after I upgraded to .23-fixes (before release), and I'd hit the "delete + re-record" button and nothing would happen... jarle, is that what you're seeing?

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justinh:

1.5 TB HDDs are like ooo... so little now.. and people still bother transcoding? yawn

[15:04:34]

jarle:

kormoc: I'll try grepping the backend log (for delete maybe?)

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skd5aner:

justinh: yes ;)

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kormoc:

for the recording that you're attempting to delete

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jarle:

skd5aner: I am trying to delete and rerecord a 0-byte recording

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rockhound:

hehe

[15:05:37]

skd5aner:

justinh: but, I would like a way to "losslessly" transcode h264 material, to remove commercials and such

[15:05:45]

kormoc:

that'd be why

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kormoc:

we don't have zero byte recordings correctly in mythweb

[15:05:53]

skd5aner:

jarle: yes, it was the same for me... 0-byte recording

[15:06:05]

jarle:

skd5aner: the file is deleted, but the next time the show is on it says it was previously recorded

[15:06:16]

kormoc:

it shouldn't even get deleted

[15:08:10]

jarle:

kormoc: I currently get several 0-byte recordings, and I haven't picked up on this problem until recently...

[15:09:19]

skd5aner:

kormoc: so, if I have a 0-byte recording, and it shows up in my recordings list on mythweb, and I hit delete + re-record, is that known to be broken?

[15:09:36]

jarle:

kormoc: I haven't checked if the file is actually deleted, but it is removed from the list of recordings anyway...

[15:10:08]

skd5aner:

I almost always use the frontend to delete+re-record when that happens, but was trying it from mythweb one day when it never worked... the item just stayed in the list if I remember correctly

[15:10:11]

kormoc:

the known behavior is that it'd disappear from the recording list but will reappear on a refresh and would be there in mythfrontend

[15:10:37]

skd5aner:

kormoc: ok, right – I think that's the behavior I saw

[15:11:12]

skd5aner:

kormoc: why does mythweb struggle with 0-byte recordings?

[15:11:18]

kormoc:

jarle: on a refresh, it should show back up

[15:11:45]

jarle:

guess I'll use the frontend to delete failed recordings from now then. However I really like mythfrontend for a quick and easy way to see which reordings failed..

[15:12:01]

kormoc:

skd5aner: because normal deletes fail, so we have to trap that specific failure and try with a different delete command

[15:12:08]

jarle:

should be: I really like mythweb..

[15:12:14]

skd5aner:

jarle: that's what I do anyway :)

[15:12:33]

skd5aner:

kormoc: ok, gotcha – was just curious. I suppose we don't need to submit a bug report then?

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kormoc:

yeah, it's known and on the list :)

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skd5aner:

good deal!

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skd5aner:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2010-May/067450.html – heh, nice

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jakkarth:

Hi, I'm on 0.23 and I'm having some trouble getting folders and files to store (more) correctly. While files starting with The are properly treated (the is ignored), folders do not seem to be treated the same way. Also, Roman numerals do not appear to be handled. Is there a configuration option for these things that I have missed?

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I see this in pmap output from my code... you have any clue what is allocing these whacks of memory: http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/1875541

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Beirdo:

8MB chunks with 4kB barriers.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: what are you talking about, the earth is flat

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kormoc:

Beirdo: what code? Are you attempting to allocate a larger chunk and it's getting split up?

[15:27:34]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: nuh uh – I see a hill outside of my window as we speak!

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Beirdo:

this is in my mud code, and not to my knowledge.

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skd5aner:

;)

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Beirdo:

and certainly not mallocing (or otherwise) many megabytes of ram

[15:28:12]

Beirdo:

just wondering if you'd run across such stuff before

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kormoc:

Beirdo: c/c==?

[15:28:23]

Beirdo:

ansi C

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kormoc:

hrm

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Beirdo:

unless of course one of the shared libs does it to me

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: use the proper coordinate frame and you will see it is not the land that is hilly, but simply your mind that is unable to see past the transformation matrix

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kormoc:

I have seen it before, I just can't remember where, but I remember it was a really good reason

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Beirdo:

like libmysqlclient :)

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kormoc:

that actually might be it

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kormoc:

if you're doing multiple connections

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skd5aner:

there is no spoon

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Beirdo:

hmm. mysql buffers or something... that could be

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Beirdo:

but 88MB of excess memory allocation. hehe

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Beirdo:

that's why I was wondering... there are 11 blocks of 8MB each total

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Beirdo:

anyways, something else for me to track down :)

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kormoc:

I'm actually thinking I ran into that with glibc's network code for some reason

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Beirdo:

oh, that could be. this is listening on a TCP port.

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** J-e-f-f-A loves FiOS TV and the HD-PVRs. ;-) **

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Beirdo:

oh hell.

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Beirdo:

11 of em?

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** Beirdo hangs his head... Oh the shame **

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Beirdo:

there are 12 total running threads

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Beirdo:

betcha those are thread stacks

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kormoc:

that'd make sense

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Beirdo:

need to shrink those a bit. 8MB stack per thread is a bit excessive

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Beirdo:

2010-Jun-01 12:42:38.247051 Default thread stack size: 0x00800000 (8388608)

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Beirdo:

yup. bingo

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Beirdo:

yay. much better

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jakkarth:

Can anyone point me towards where the title sort for the gallery view in mythvideo is in the code?

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iamlindoro:

jakkarth: What are you trying to do?

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jakkarth:

Hi, I'm on 0.23 and I'm having some trouble getting folders and files to store (more) correctly. While files starting with The are properly treated (the is ignored), folders do not seem to be treated the same way. Also, Roman numerals do not appear to be handled. Is there a configuration option for these things that I have missed?

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jakkarth:

My goal is to either find out there is a config option, or failing that, modify the code so that folders are sorted the same way files are.

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jakkarth:

beyond that, possibly handle roman numerals better.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: do you know offhand if there's a fix for the hdpvr's 720x480 4x3 recording aspect ratio?

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iamlindoro:

videofilter and videolist handle the filter/sort options and tree building, respectively

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I honestly hadn't heard of it, so I just don't know

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jakkarth:

iamlindoro, thanks, I'll start there!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I've never recorded off of it in 480

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iamlindoro:

jakkarth: np

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: Yeah, my direct receiver's 4x3 output gets recorded by the hdpvr as 720x480 with a PAR of 9:8 or somesuch nonsense

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kormoc:

which plays back find in vlc/mplayer but myth doesn't seem to respect the PAR value

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iamlindoro:

jakkarth: Those sound like worthwhile improvements, if your changes are clean (I would prefer that sort options be added to the video filters dialog) then please feel free to submit them and I will have a look

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: That sounds like a potential issue in avformatdecoder, janne might be interested

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jakkarth:

iamlindoro, glad to.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: how does ffplay behave?

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kormoc:

haven't tried that one, I'll take a look

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kormoc:

720x480 [PAR 8:9 DAR 4:3] is the ffmpeg identified values

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iamlindoro:

jakkarth: Since the "the, an, a" ignoring stuff would likely apply to almost any view/sort mode, it might be worth making that a separate checkbox rather than adding more sort options... roman numeral handling we should likely just do by default

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janneg:

kormoc: please upload small sample

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janneg:

kormoc: that looks correct

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kormoc:

ffplay plays it correctly

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kormoc:

janneg: one sec, I have a 15 meg file here that shows it

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jakkarth:

iamlindoro, I was expecting to find a list of the, an, a etc that were being explicitly ignored in videolist.cpp, since the files are correctly sorted that way, but I don't see one.

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jakkarth:

iamlindoro, never mind, found it in metadata.cpp.

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iamlindoro:

jakkarth: yeah, sorry, was AFK

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iamlindoro:

(and continue to be in and out)

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kormoc:

janneg: weird... It's working now... it was broke a few months ago but I updated to head last night and it's working fine, sorry for the noise

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janneg:

np

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: I modified the 6200ch program to have an optional inter-character delay value, so now my channel change takes less than 1 second. I'm going to update the wiki with my changes either tonight or tomorrow. 10ms works great for me – the program was hardcoded to 500ms (1/2 second!) before...

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Jay2k1:

so i recorded a show on dvb-c with ac3 5.1 audio and play this recording. i have surround sound. then there's a commercial block, mythtv skips a few minutes but not to the end of the block, so i fast forward a bit. i resume playback and dang, surround is gone, i have stereo.

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Jay2k1:

menu -> change audio reveals an mp3 2.0 stream and an ac3 2.0 stream

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Jay2k1:

but the third one, ac3 5.1, is gone

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Jay2k1:

i exit the playback and then continue watching it, surround is back

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Jay2k1:

0.23-fixes

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Jay2k1:

seems to be a bug i guess?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: is there anything you'd like me to add to the release notes regarding r24745/47?

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jakkarth:

iamlindoro, I have achieved victory with minimal effort.

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jakkarth:

QString lhs_comp(Metadata::TrimTitle(lhs,true));

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jakkarth:

QString rhs_comp(Metadata::TrimTitle(rhs,true));

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jakkarth:

in metadata_path_sort's second private sort function.

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jakkarth:

folder names are now sorted consistently with file names, and still grouped at the front.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux, iamlindoro: what was i supposed to do with the MNV stuff in the bindings?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: You mean the bindings that provided RO access to the old mnv tables?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, looks like those tables are completely gone now

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Correct they are gone but have been replaced but more generic tables. You could provide equivalent access to those tables ("internetcontent", "internetcontentarticles")

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wagnerrp:

im not seeing what code actually generates those tables

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wagnerrp:

oh, its in the main dbcheck now

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: That's just polish for external players in MythNetvision-- I haven't even tested it, but someone was writing a grabber to use it so I did a little work on it.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Correct, those are now in the main dbcheck, with the interts/gets in netutils.cpp

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iamlindoro:

er inserts

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: would you like me to omit, for the time being then?

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: you still just need read-only?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: You can just call it "improved external player support in MythNetvision" or osmething

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iamlindoro:

since it probably basically didn't work at all before

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skd5aner:

ok, thanks... on a tangent to that, aren't the myth devs moving towards eliminating or discouraging "external player support"?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Right now I have no specific use for those bindings that is why I only mentioned RO access for general bindings completeness.

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

im also going to add a method into mythxml to pull the getinternetsearch page

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j-rod:

man. I can't wait for the fallout when people move to 2.6.35...

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j-rod:

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.vid . . . frastructure

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: If Myth could internally play more streaming content, I would do so, but since we basically don't, it's an option I need to offer for now for MNV to work with more sources

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j-rod:

that should make it slightly less pain tho

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: That said, if I manage to write an http ringbuffer before anyone implements external players in a script, the tag may/will disappear

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: congrats

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: cool

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j-rod:

still need to wire up xmit support, but w/those patches, ir-core can pass raw IR to a 100% unmodified lirc userspace

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j-rod:

so my ir-core mceusb driver can do both in-kernel decoding and lirc decoding, without having *any* clue about lirc at all

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** wagnerrp wonders how j-rod is communicating from 6hrs into the future **

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mag0o:

it's a new kernel driver he wrote, allows time shifting

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mag0o:

;)

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: um… wha?

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** j-rod checking clocks... **

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wagnerrp:

those posts, are listed as just before 11pm

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wagnerrp:

(its just before 5pm here)

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j-rod:

UTC

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wagnerrp:

yeah yeah future boy

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j-rod:

(I'm assuming)

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j-rod:

it *is* the future

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe in this universal time mumbo jumbo

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j-rod:

mce remotes that Just Work right out of the box w/zero config :)

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j-rod:

on a more devious note, this also lands lirc_dev in the upstream kernel, if all goes well...

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j-rod:

(well, not really devious)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is there any mechanism to enumerate MNV grabbers on the backend?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yep, MythXML GetInternetSources

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iamlindoro:

no options necessary

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dibbz:

think i got to the bottom of my backend expiring new recordings first

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dibbz:

--printexpire is sorted by recpriority

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Then you can use the contents of the <command> tag in that query to build a GetInternetSearch query if you like

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iamlindoro:

(for those where <search>true</search> that is)

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: r24768, "simplify/speed up search for MNV" – was that a significant speed increase, or more of a code refactor? Wanted to get a better understanding if it was a usability improvement, or more internal mechanics that wouldn't really be noticed?

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skd5aner:

If it's something a user would notice, then I think it's probably worth a mention in the release notes, but if it's just a refactor with marginal performance gains, I might leave it off the main list

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: There is probably a significant speed increase from those changes, but not one which I benchmarked

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iamlindoro:

In that the same document doesn't need to be read in four times, anyway

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: ok, sounds like I'll put it in the release notes then, thanks

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It seemed perceptibly faster to me, but then maybe I was looking for it

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wagnerrp:

for 'tree' grabbers, do you leave the Query blank? or is there another command?

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iamlindoro:

The query grab isn't done through MythXML

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iamlindoro:

There just wasn't a need for it for my puposes, though I could easily add it

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iamlindoro:

because the backend has an application that does the grabbing and direct DB insertion, I didn't need a method for the plugin to call it

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wagnerrp:

tree grab?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, sorry, tree grab

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wagnerrp:

ok, ill filter for ones that support searching only

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skd5aner:

#6291, was closed and locked, but I think it's likely related to #7366 and fixed in r23020

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skd5aner:

probably that guy's problem

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skd5aner:

not the OP, but "Darius"

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iamlindoro:

As both are closed, it's moot

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skd5aner:

yea, np – just as far as I've caught up so far and thought it sounded familiar

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skd5aner:

hmmm commercial flagging is now called commercial detection eh? So now will mythcommflag be renamed to mythcommdetect to ensure there isn't a mismatch in terminology?

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iamlindoro:

doubtful

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iamlindoro:

since the user doesn't directly interface with the command line usually

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iamlindoro:

commercial detection is a phraseology change for the benefit of non-technical users-- if you are accessing the command line, you are not the target audience

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skd5aner:

gbee: you around?

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skd5aner:

I guess it's a little late his time

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skd5aner:

not to mention he's not in this room

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tweek__:

so, mythtv's database seems to contain everything you'd ever want to know about a TV program when using schedulesdirect

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tweek__:

except for the episode / season number

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tweek__:

there's a raw episode code production number, which can be meaningless hex codes for some studios

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tweek__:

and there's a few program IDs that look like they should be able to be looked up on the internet somewhere

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tweek__:

but I can't find where

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FredYerkes:

Hello – Any suggestions for not all "recorded programs" showing up in MythWeb? I've tried tweaking the php.ini to no avail...

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skd5aner:

FredYerkes: you can filter by program

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FredYerkes:

skd5aner: I can see program when I filter, but the last one that shows using the "All recordings" filter is back on the 18th of May

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skd5aner:

I thought you were asking how do you NOT show all recordings

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: r24818, I see that was initially committed to .23-fixes, will that also be put into trunk (or maybe it already has?)

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, ive got a big re-org coming, so that patch would not directly apply

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skd5aner:

thx, I'll disregard :)

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achew22:

Do any of the DishNetwork boxes have firewire out on them or do you have to IR blast them? I googled it and the latest information I could find was from early 2007. Does anyone have any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

i think some of the older ones have serial

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kormoc:

2007 isn't that long ago

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achew22:

True that it isn't that long ago but in 2.5/3 years they may have come out with new ones that have firewire

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wagnerrp:

why would they want you to use firewire?

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY reason cable companies do is because theyre required to by law

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achew22:

I assumed that they were subject to some similar regulations

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kormoc:

they are not

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Beirdo:

we only wish

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Beirdo:

headaches suck, BTW

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skd5aner:

Is pulseaudio going to be "officially" supported now after JYA merged the hdaudio branch?

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skd5aner:

Obviously, ALSA is prefered...

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jya:

skd5aner: I'm not sure what "officially" means really ; everything in myth has always been a best case effort. Pulse works much better than it used it ; av-sync is *much* better than it used to be ; there is still a delay , but at least it's constant... Would need to implement the ability to save the time delay per channel and I think it would be fine for most...

[20:04:34]

jya:

there are still issues in pulse itself ; like the issue people have reported that you pause or seek, then you get static

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jya:

the bug seems to be in the default resampler code.. Changing the default sampling rate from 44.1kHz to 48kHz seem to works for everyone

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tweek__:

according to who you ask, pulse is already supported

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tweek__:

rpmfusion's package for mythtv has a pulseaudio output option, and it works great ... for analog video anyway

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: and who would claim that?

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wagnerrp:

the existing 'support' in trunk is merely the ability to disable it and hit ALSA directly

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wagnerrp:

anything more than that is something you shouldnt have been doing

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tweek__:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora#Sound_setup

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tweek__:

and it doesn't seem to be disabling pulseaudio, pulseaudio has direct control of the sound coming from mythtv

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wagnerrp:

uh huh... and mythtv 'works with pulseaudio' by disabling it

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wagnerrp:

for the duration that mythfrontend is active

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tweek__:

if pulseaudio is disabled that's news to the rest of the audio applications running on fedora that use it while mythfrontend is up

[20:11:00]

tweek__:

maybe they have some sort of patch

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green_d44:

Hi, I was told to ask here if I have video capture questions — I need to find a video/audio capture card similar to this one – http://www.provantage.com/ads-technologies-us . . . 7ADST055.htm – that will work out of the box on Ubuntu. It needs to be under $75. I just want to record video/audio from my Xbox 360, I don't need anything too fancy. Any suggestions?

[20:12:07]

tweek__:

analog capture cards are going to be out of date rather quickly, because everything's broadcast in digital aside from some cable TV stations these days

[20:12:24]

tweek__:

that thing doesn't even really have a tuner

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: that doesnt mean mythtv is capable of using digital capture at all times

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wagnerrp:

green_d44: you want a PVR-150 or 500

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wagnerrp:

you can pick them up for ~$20 on ebay (double for the 500)

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green_d44:

can that record video and audio through RCA/HDMI?

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wagnerrp:

composite (RCA) and svideo, yes

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wagnerrp:

nothing can record anything worthwhile off HDMI

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tweek__:

you will not generally find something that can capture HDMI and output it to whatever, the whole point of HDMI is to prevent that stuff

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wagnerrp:

no, the whole point of HDCP is to prevent that stuff

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wagnerrp:

there are a handful of devices that will capture HDMI

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wagnerrp:

but none of them will do HDCP

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green_d44:

I was looking at hauppage cards earlier, but I heard that many of them can't record audio. I need to have audio recording, otherwise having a capture card is somewhat pointless

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tweek__:

pvr-150 / 250 / 350 will have audio support

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green_d44:

If I'm going to have to worry about HDCP, composite is fine.

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tweek__:

even in freebsd I believe

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wagnerrp:

hauppauge makes a couple capture cards for closed circuit security systems that may not support audio

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wagnerrp:

but the 150 and 500 will support audio just fine

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wagnerrp:

you dont want a 250/350

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green_d44:

What software do I need to use to capture the video/audio once I get the card?

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green_d44:

(In Linux, that is)

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tweek__:

support for the pvr150 and so on is already in the linux kernel

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wagnerrp:

'cat'

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wagnerrp:

the PVR cards will show up as '/dev/video0'

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tweek__:

pick any number of TV viewers (tvtime, xawtv, mythtv, etc.) once you have /dev/video* working

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wagnerrp:

'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg' will output an mpeg stream ready to use

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wagnerrp:

v4l2_ctl will let you adjust the bitrate and quality of the output

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wagnerrp:

as well as select the capture input you wan tto use

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green_d44:

What are the differences between the PVR models? Will the 150 do everything I need, or are the 250/350 preferrable?

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tweek__:

he said 150, probably a good reason for that

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wagnerrp:

the 500 basically has two 150s on a single board

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wagnerrp:

the 250 and 350 are much older, dont worry about those

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green_d44:

Thanks for the help! I just opened up my PC case, and I have an extra PCI slot in my Dell — the 150 seems to be exactly what I need! Thanks! :)

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Kazan:

so.. when i adjust the volume in mythtv w/ it set to ALSA:surround51 why is master turning up but surround,center and lfe turning down

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Kazan:

not in equal proportion either

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tweek__:

where in the MythTV database can I find the episode / season numbers for recordings?

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iamlindoro:

You cannot, since no such information is available/stored

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tweek__:

or failing that, something I can join against some other database to get it, that isn't merely series name / episode title

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tweek__:

EP002960010116 <--- these IDs -have- to be significant somehow

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

just what schedules direct gives us

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tweek__:

ah well, I can live without em

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NightMonkey:

Hrm. How does Program Details figure out episode #?

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

recordings have no episode number

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wagnerrp:

there is a value given by the listings provider that may include the season and episode number

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wagnerrp:

but it should be considered completely arbitrary

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wagnerrp:

not good for anything other than duplicate matching

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Kazan:

gawd the people in #pulseaudio are freaking dense

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iamlindoro:

mwah... mwahhhhaahahaha.... MWWAHAHAHAAHAH http://www.fecitfacta.com/autometa.ogv

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iamlindoro:

Ah, or perhaps better since most browsers will actually play it inline: http://www.fecitfacta.com/autometa.ogg

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wagnerrp:

bleh... trying to figure out why my calls to the xml server arent working

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wagnerrp:

im hitting my -fixes backend

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Kazan:

mythtv suspends pulse, right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Kazan:

k

[23:12:17]

Kazan:

in mythtv i get perfect audio right now

[23:12:28]

Kazan:

outside of mythtv i get a high pitched background squeel

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Kazan:

bad thing is mythtv's volume slider isn't bein very effective

[23:14:15]

Kazan:

intersting.. alsamixer shows it adjustin the wrong channel

[23:14:22]

Kazan:

i've told it to use "Master" but its adjusting "Front"

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Kazan:

trying to tell mythtv to use the PCM as its master volume makes the volume controls completely ineffective

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RyeBrye:

y

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RyeBrye:

woops, wrong window

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DerekCB:

can some one please help me

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DerekCB:

I have the HTC HERO

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DerekCB:

?

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Kazan:

that's a phone

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Kazan:

this isn't a phone channel...

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wagnerrp:

we cant help anyone who doesnt explain their problem

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DerekCB:

i am trying to hook my htc hero to the computer using internet share and i keep getting a error 67 code i just spend 20 mins on the phone with some dumb a** Bit** who couldnt evern talk ( she was like wispering)

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wagnerrp:

yeah... thats out of our purview

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wagnerrp:

we support mythtv only

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DerekCB:

anyone know a chat room here that can help

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wagnerrp:

##htc?

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DerekCB:

whats mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is mythtv, see the topic

[23:28:13]

wagnerrp:

why did you choose here to ask a question, if you had no idea what it was?

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[R]:

ROFL

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** wagnerrp goes off to #apache for answers about feminine hygiene **

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wagnerrp:

i mean indians know about such things dont they?

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[R]:

lol

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Kazan:

lol wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

what with the indian hair tampons and all...

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Shadow__X:

isnt there a script that monitors if mythfrontend is running and if it isnt it automatically starts it

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[R]:

you need a script for that?

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[R]:

while true; do mythfrontend; done... thats all i need

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login

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wagnerrp:

[R]: thats what we call a script

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Shadow__X:

:)

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[R]:

it doesnt monitor if itts running though

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[R]:

it starts it

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high-rez:

do { `/usr/local/bin/mythbackend'; } while(1); ?

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wagnerrp:

frontend

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high-rez:

change backend to frontend and put the script in your xinitrc ;)

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[R]:

what shell syntax is that?

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wagnerrp:

bash

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wagnerrp:

do...while loop

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high-rez:

or even perl

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[R]:

bash has do while?

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[R]:

what will they think of next

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wagnerrp:

i thought it did

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[R]:

i've never heard of such a thing

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high-rez:

bash even has auto complete.

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wagnerrp:

i used something a while back that has a do...while

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Shadow__X:

the reason why i asked is because if i build a mythtv setup for someone i would want it to handle mythfrontend crashes as it happens every once in awhile especially with some recorddings

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wagnerrp:

and it wasnt perl

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wagnerrp:

what did i use that had do...while

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wagnerrp:

php has one, but i dont think thats what i was thinking of

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wagnerrp:

although the above is _almost_ php syntax

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high-rez:

Shadow__X: A do/while script will do what you want while you want it.

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** wagnerrp prefers the inittab approach **

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[R]:

oooo

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[R]:

shell script in php

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[R]:

i love it

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Shadow__X:

thanks guys

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feed_me_seymour:

Good evening... anyone have a moment to answer a quick lirc question pertaining to the PS3 BD remote?

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