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Wednesday, June 2nd, 2010, 00:10 AST

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squidly:

hmm.. doing a change to my scheduled direct lineup does not change the channels in myth (ie I added a couple of channels)

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[R]:

theres an option to mythfilldatabase to do it

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squidly:

ahh got it

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squidly:

yea for some reason I could not get it with the mythfill database from the setup

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Kazan:

its amazing how many problems stripping Pulse off a system will fix :D

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squidly:

Kazan: lol

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Kazan:

i'm not kidding

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squidly:

Kazan: I know.. I strip pulse out of all my boxen as well

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Kazan:

the volume controls in mythfrontend weren't working right, in any application other than mythtv there was a high pitched squeel in the background, etc

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squidly:

save my work one.. but then I dont care about sound there really

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Kazan:

stripped out pulse, everything magically works

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Kazan:

oh.. and Hulu Desktop = win

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Kazan:

good job on hulu actually making a linux edition

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squidly:

oh nice

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squidly:

now if only we can get that integrated with myth

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: because I'm lazy and would like to use hulu to myth as well

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squidly:

wagnerrp: i'm mostly kidding.. I know it wont really happen

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squidly:

i just would like it for my fiancee's reality tv junk

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wagnerrp:

i mean... 'why do you need to use hulu desktop'

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tent/hulu.py

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squidly:

wagnerrp: oh sweet

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I thought there was something like that before.. but anywho I guess I'm just tired

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jya:

wagnerrp: your statement about pulse support in myth is now completely outdated ; pulseaudio output code was completely rewritten, and is mostly working fine with pulse

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, yes... the user was still on 0.23

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Kazan:

yup. i'm running stable

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Kazan:

WAF drops preciptously when you run trunk :D

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wagnerrp:

it really hasnt been too bad the past two cycles

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jya:

Kazan: mythtv suspends pulse, only if you are using an audio device different to Pulse:... or ALSA:pulse

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Kazan:

well i've removed pulse from my system entirely (yum remove'd)

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Kazan:

and magically all my troubles disapeared!

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jya:

wagnerrp: your comment above was about trunk... you wrote "the existing 'support' in trunk is merely the ability to disable it and hit ALSA directly"

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jya:

which is completely incorrect now... and even in 0.23 is so

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jya:

0.23 has a pulse output support, pretty crap one, but still there, and pulse server isn't suspended then

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wagnerrp:

ah, if i did say trunk, i meant -fixes

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jya:

would be accurate with 0.22-fixes :)

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jya:

Kazan: Master adjusts "front"

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jya:

and only front on most system unfortunately...

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wagnerrp:

0.23 will use trunk? i thought you had to specify that 'EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE' or something environmental variable to prevent it from being halted

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jya:

wagnerrp: in 0.23 EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE, prevents suspending the pulse server

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jya:

so myth would be using pulse ALSA support

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jya:

it looks like alsa, it smells like alsa, but really, it's pulse :)

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jya:

but there is a PULSE:default available in the output settings

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jya:

which uses the native pulse output

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jya:

but it's pretty bad, incorrect use of the APIs which cause massive A/V sync issues

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Kazan:

when i removed pulse "Master" in myth started altering "Master" in alsamixer

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was less of 'support' and more of 'well let you run mythtv with horrible a/v sync if you really want'

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jya:

Kazan: what you wrote doesn't make sense

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jya:

wagnerrp: yes, that's if you use ALSA:blah

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jya:

if the pulse server is running

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jya:

then while myth thinks it's using the alsa APIs

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jya:

in fact it's using the pulse ALSA compatibility layer

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jya:

pretty aweful

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Kazan:

jya: when pulseaudio was installed on my system, and i had mythfrontend set to use the "Master" mixer channel for volume control, it would adjust "Front" not "Master" (according to alsamixer)

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Kazan:

when i "yum remove"'d pulse it started using "Master" as it was told

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jya:

Kazan: because when you have pulse running, you are using their ALSA compatibility layer, and not alsa

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

i also saw a small decrease in CPU utilization, that was expected

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jya:

so in 0.23, you can.

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jya:

use ALSA, OSS natively, and this will suspend pulse if it's running

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Kazan:

or you can just yum remove pulseaudio :D

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jya:

or use ALSA/oss compatibility layer, with pulse running if you set EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE

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jya:

or use pulse natively by using Pulse:default in the audio settings

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jya:

in trunk, it currently is exactly the same as 0.23

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jya:

except that the Pulse native code got rewritten, and is now working properly

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jya:

but in all other cases, it behaves like 0.23 (e.g. suspends pulse or not)

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jya:

but yeah, if your system is exclusively for mythtv, there's absolutely no incentive to use pulse

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jya:

pulse only makes sense if you would be running other piece of software producing sound, and you want all to work at the same time

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jya:

pulse opens the audio card in one way, and this never changes... Myth and ALSA, will open the audio card depending on what you are playing, and let you enjoy HD codec

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aliby:

Any idea why mythvideo would start to play a video but then just sit there and do nothing?

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aliby:

(like the video is paused when it really isnt)?

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[R]:

anything on the frontend output?

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aliby:

Let me look

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aliby:

[R] – http://aliby.privatepaste.com/ff349d9a46

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[R]:

thats mplayer

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[R]:

if mplayer is having problems, you need to fix mplayer

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aliby:

Ok

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aliby:

[R] – fixed by switching to internal player. Thanks for the help

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k-man:

apparantly, some media playing devices have this feature where, for instance, on your pc/mac/noteboot/iphone or whatever device, you look at a video then you have an option to "view on the media player" and it plays it on your TV. even the ps3 has something like that apparantly – it would be cool to come up with a way for mythtv to do the same thing

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oobe:

k-man, mythtv is already specifically designed to play media on the tv

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oobe:

its name implies this

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iamlindoro:

not to mention Myth already has exactly that functionality in MythWeb

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k-man:

oobe: of course i know that – the feature i am suggesting is providing a way to, select a video on your PC and easily get it to play on your TV via mythtv

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iamlindoro:

already doable...

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k-man:

iamlindoro: ok, i'm not familiar with that

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iamlindoro:

"Play Recording on Frontend" in the recording detail screen in mythweb

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k-man:

iamlindoro: oh that's very cool, didn't know that

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iamlindoro:

which of course presumes you have enabled the network control port for all your frontends, and they are running

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oobe:

yea also telnet interface now supports it iirc

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iamlindoro:

has always supported it

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oobe:

oh ok

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k-man:

but as a more generic case, it would be cool if there was a way to "play" any video file – and also video from web sites like youtube directly from your notebook

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iamlindoro:

and a pony, I presume

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k-man:

a pony?

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iamlindoro:

yes, I assume you'd also like a pony

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oobe:

I want one those things that allows me to travel back and forth in time and teleporting

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iamlindoro:

a tardis

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k-man:

look, i'm not critisising mythtv, i love mythv – i also think its valid to talk about ideas and what would be cool

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k-man:

if you don't like my idea you can just say it doesnt work for you – but there is no need to rubbish it

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iamlindoro:

k-man, We have an excess of idea men, and to be honest the listing of nice-to-haves without knowhow to make it happen, or willingness to learn is exasperating

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iamlindoro:

k-man, Thus our general irritation at people who list off all the things they would love like a christmas list

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k-man:

at what point did i say i was unwilling to learn? and fair enough its exasperating, but this is a general discussion channel, if you find it annoying, just ignore it

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iamlindoro:

Now if you turn up with patches, your ideas become a lot more compelling

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iamlindoro:

Actually, this is a user support channel

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k-man:

so its not for general mythtv related discussion?

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iamlindoro:

k-man, Just as you get to express whatever wild fanciful idea you may have about how MythTv should blend your socks, I get to express why ideas are generally about as useful as a four-headed dog

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k-man:

iamlindoro: regarding patches, i totally understand and agree – but surely some discussion about a possible feature is required before even thinking about patching – as for example, i was unaware of the mythweb feature you pointed out to me

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iamlindoro:

k-man, Which is why you got an answer to that one

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iamlindoro:

k-man, but making up random features that have no technical feasibility whatsoever is another thing

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iamlindoro:

such as "it should... play random videos! Or whatever I tell it to from youtube!" It sounds a lot like the "oooh, shiny!" school of design

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k-man:

iamlindoro: well.... ok, not quite what I mean, but i take your point.

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k-man:

but i'm not sure its entirely impossible

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iamlindoro:

Anything is possible, but as I said, we have a proponderance of idea men-- and your ideas are taken a lot more serious when you start turning up with code that achieves them

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iamlindoro:

99 out of 100 people who want to compel us to implement their features are "idea men." We get sick of it

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iamlindoro:

So don't take it as an insult, take it as a challenge-- I'd love to have you implement a neat feature-- if you think I'm wrong and that it's valid, useful, and possible, then put your code where your mouth is ;)

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iamlindoro:

and then the *next* time you have an idea, we start to take you seriously :)

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k-man:

iamlindoro: i hear what you are saying and i understand it, but i just felt a little like rasing an idea that occured to me was not to be done here

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[R]:

iamlindoro: what does your code taste like? mine tastes like cotton candy

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iamlindoro:

tastes like walty shame-tears

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iamlindoro:

er salty

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

i'm so upset that my first myth patch was like 3 lines

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iamlindoro:

k-man, Again, don't take it as an insult, take it as a challenge-- I am happy to be proven wrong and find that you intend to follow your idea to its conclusion and deliver on it

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k-man:

im not insulted

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iamlindoro:

but if I'm right, and all you want to do is try to convince someone that a new toggle-switch on myth MythBox is something they should implement, then better not to have that discussion at all

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k-man:

ok, but going back to my original point, all i was trying to say was this concept was cool and had anyone thought of it? seen it or used it on anything?

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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k-man:

iamlindoro: ok, i vote we stop discussing this now

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iamlindoro:

ooh, me too

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iamlindoro:

the motion passes

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k-man:

how about that weather then? :)

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k-man:

iamlindoro: fwiw, i'm very slowly working on a minor patch to fix the MythCenter theme on 4:3

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oobe:

anyone know where i can find win32 binaries for mythfrontend

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oobe:

i seen someone make them before

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oobe:

i just want to install it inside a vm for curiosity sake

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[R]:

curiosity?

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jya:

finally decided to switch everything to video storage group...

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jya:

in the existing settings of mythtv/mythvideos: should I just make all fields empty?

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[R]:

yup

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jya:

lile "Directories that hold videos"

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jya:

do I just make this field empty?

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[R]:

all of them

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[R]:

they all have storage group equivs

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jya:

ok... the help states "this directory must exist" ; so was ensure if I could just delete it all

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jya:

hoping this will increase the performance of my frontends over my old setup using NFS

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jya:

damn slow to see all coverart showing up

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jya:

can only scroll about 1–2 per seconds in the list

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justinh:

whoah mythweb has a 'play on frontend' doohickey now? coooooooool. Ahem. if you like that sort of thing :)

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[R]:

justinh: wagnerrp told me its been there for a while

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[R]:

i thought it was awesome when i found it

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justinh:

I've not had a good poke around in mythweb for ages

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justinh:

with the recent improvements I made to my remote config & the other improvements in mythfrontend – not to mention the backend hardware upgrade – I don't really use mythweb much anymore :)

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oobe:

i switched back to network shares after a small amount of time using SGs

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jya:

hum... so much for the hashing of files bit ... all my beautifully crafted metadata is gone :(

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jya:

no more icons , fanart, or metadata

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jya:

hum, hopefully a rescan was all I needed

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jya:

ohhhh, it's all back

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jya:

really cool... didn't take too long to scan my 5TB of data !

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[R]:

it doesnt scan the data...

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jya:

sure, but it readjusted my database path very quickly

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jya:

so you guys run jamu at night automatically or something ?

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[R]:

i think its supposed to be run from cron

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jya:

that's why I meant by "at night automatically" :)

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[R]:

its in cron.hourly, daily, and weekly in ubuntu

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jya:

what ? can run a cron whenever you want ...

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[R]:

?

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jya:

crontab -e

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jya:

edit your cront

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jya:

that's it..

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justinh:

I found something funky with cron on my latest ubuntu install

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jya:

hum... much faster to display fanart with VS, much faster than via nfs ...

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jya:

very cool

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[R]:

was it not caching them with nfs?

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[R]:

cuz with groups it caches them

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jya:

not sure what it was doing

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jya:

but going up and down in my backend

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jya:

even locally

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[R]:

~/.mythtv/themecache

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jya:

could go about 2 entries per second at best

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[R]:

should be caching the fanart and such

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jya:

now it's much faster

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jya:

and that's locally

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Jay2k1:

heh, i found "play in frontend" in 0.22 already, but it never worked for me

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Jay2k1:

does it work for anyone of you?

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[R]:

works fine for me

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[R]:

is network control enabled in your frontend?

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justinh:

sigh. removing ffmpeg packages is gonna break SO much :(

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justinh:

ah what the heck

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justinh:

gah fricking ffmpeg, changing commandline options again. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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jya:

is the wiki on Jamu still up to date?

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sid3windr:

if a link in the installscript for windows does not work, should I file a real bug about it or just poke someone?

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justinh:

gah. knew I shouldn't have gone with such a cheap host

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justinh:

name resolution is very very slow at this time of day :-\

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justinh:

so... one more try with their tech support & if I get no satisfaction I'll be moving

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deegan:

What host are you using, i can sell you nameserver hosting. :)

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justinh:

one.com

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justinh:

don't thin kit's just the nameserving at fault

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deegan:

well i work at http://www.space2u.com so if you have a change of heart you can always move your stuff here. :)

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justinh:

they restarted the server yesterday & it solved the problem.. and today boom... it's off again

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justinh:

deegan: oof. too expensive

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justinh:

why do so many hosts charge so much for mysql? It's not that big a hassle is it?

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bjd:

can be

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bjd:

couple of poorly designed tables and badly written queries

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deegan:

how much is much? i never really think of it, i just run everything at home instead the only thing i dont run at home is the DNS which i have here at work instead.

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justinh:

yeah well another day of this & I'll be going back to the host I used to use – £50 a year for php, mysql, 1 Gb/day bandwidth & godknows how much webspace

[05:31:49]

justinh:

meh. "we are having problems with that server"

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justinh:

yeah I bet they are

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justinh:

ruh? newtonheathdtc.co.uk resolves to 193.202.110.177 and yet... put that IP address into a browser and...

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justinh:

well, better get the site ready for moving to a new home. I'm not putting up with this crap

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RDV_Linux:

jya: Yes the Jamu wiki is up to date. I updated it right after 0.23 was officially released. What are you trying to do?

[06:57:40]

jya:

was just trying to configure it to run as a cron and first update all metadata of my files

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RDV_Linux:

jya: As in Mythbuntu there are three regular cron jobs (-MW) to download TV and Movie images for the Watch Recorded Screen; (-MV) to maintain the metadata in MythVideo for videos that have a reference number (-MJ) A weekly clean up of graphics that are not used anymore.

[07:16:45]

jya:

does it get all the info such as the location of the files etc from the myth database?

[07:19:34]

RDV_Linux:

jya: Yes for video's already in the DB through a scan but it also reads the local BE video path from the DB and would insert those videos if you use the interactive options (-MI) or (-MR) which finds and inserts the required reference number from TVDB or TMDB.

[07:20:18]

jya:

how do you get files in the database? do I manually have to start a scan in mythvideo, or is there an option doing so ?

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RDV_Linux:

jya: The option (-MR) to load the video with a reference number the do a (-MV) run to download the images and metadata is the best method.

[07:22:26]

jya:

allright... So pretty much, I don't have to worry with the jamu.conf and can directly run the 3 various cron job ...

[07:23:12]

corrr:

does anyone have a terratec cinergy c or similar? I'm having driver issues in a new lucid install. not really a mythtv issue but I'm not sure where to turn

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RDV_Linux:

jya: That is fair to say. The conf file mainly deals with the language option and bridging gaps between EPG data and the variance in TVDB. Example "V" vs "V (2009)"

[07:24:30]

jya:

ok.. just to show that I got it right :)

[07:24:37]

jya:

run jamu with -MR first

[07:24:42]

jya:

fix the stuff manually

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jya:

then run -MW and -MV option

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corrr:

I'm getting this dmesg output: http://dpaste.com/202147/ http://dpaste.com/202148/

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RDV_Linux:

jya: What are you fixing manually? Yes you have the process correct.

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jya:

i mean for videos not in the database right now... in case it's doesn't know which title to pick up

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RDV_Linux:

jya: From that I assume manual input of the TVDB or TMDB reference number?

[07:27:08]

jya:

nah

[07:27:18]

jya:

manual for me is like it doesn't know between A and B

[07:27:21]

jya:

so I choose B :)

[07:28:34]

RDV_Linux:

jya: Ok so during the -MR option you can select the reference number from a list or input it instead.

[07:28:58]

jya:

ok... similar to the python script I wrote/modified many moons ago

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RDV_Linux:

jya: I only get concerned when I hear the word manual as Jamu will happily override manually input metadata as it always reflects what id on the TVDB or TMDB source. If you want jamu to ignore a specific video then set the reference number to eight nine (99999999)

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RDV_Linux:

jya: or on the conf file set a subdirectory to be ignored.

[07:31:53]

jya:

as long as jamu reuse the name I've already entered in the metadata

[07:31:56]

jya:

it should be fine

[07:32:21]

jya:

I have many files for which the file name makes no sense, but the name in the meta data is correct

[07:32:43]

jya:

so if jamu reuse that names in the metadata it should be fine instead of trying to guess from the file name

[07:32:47]

justinh:

oo the website came back up for about 10 minutes. I really need to get some money out of the committee & switch hosts

[07:34:09]

RDV_Linux:

jya: Jamu uses the reference number as god, with the TVDB and TMDB. So if you want to manually enter anything then enter the refernece number (even IMDB). Changint the movie name or TV title will mean nothing to jamu,

[07:34:15]

jya:

RDV_Linux: if there's no metadata or if the title in the metadata match the name of the file, then jamu can then do a match from the file name

[07:35:10]

jya:

problem really is that I've maintained my metadata quite well all those years...

[07:36:21]

RDV_Linux:

jya: If you do not have a reference number jamu will use the file name. That is it. As it says in the wiki if you manually maintain your metadata Jamu is not for you as Jamu maintains your metadata according to what is on TVDB and TMDB.

[07:36:28]

jya:

so while I don't mind jamu searching for the data and replacing what's there... I know that if it's trying to guess the title from the file name, it's going to take me forever to redo it all

[07:36:52]

jya:

hum... ok

[07:37:09]

jya:

may have a dry run first and see how it goes ... hopefully this will be a one off thing

[07:37:12]

jakkarth:

mysqldump -A >backup.sql

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jakkarth:

jamu.py -s

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jya:

the first time I did it, it took me a few days to tag all my files

[07:38:25]

xand:

but I want a silly truncated list wasting my terminal space :(

[07:38:26]

RDV_Linux:

jya: Please back up first but a dry run or the suggested -s (simulation) option addition (-MRs) would be the best approach.

[07:40:56]

RDV_Linux:

jya: Jamu was really only meant to get metadata for large collection when 0.22 was released. After that I expected people to use MythVideo's (w) key to update newly added videos. I also expected Jamu to be obsolete by now.

[07:41:26]

jya:

oh, I manually do it from the interface

[07:41:38]

jya:

that's what I do most of the time now

[07:42:23]

jya:

but there are still time where I download my TV series automatically, and I like those to get automatically added

[07:42:53]

RDV_Linux:

jya: If that is the case maybe all you want from Jamu is the -MW option to get images for your recorded programs and -MJ to clean those images up when they are not needed anymore.

[07:44:20]

RDV_Linux:

jya: Good luck I hope you find something of use in jamu. Just be aware of its limitations.

[07:45:01]

jya:

Don't worry, if there's something I don't like, will probably send you some patches...

[07:45:16]

jya:

been running the find_metadata.py for a while now

[07:45:29]

jya:

does tmdb still use the same tag# as imdb?

[07:45:37]

jya:

if so should be quite straight forward

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RDV_Linux:

jya: As of 0.23 tmdb.py can use either IMDB or TVDB reference numbers. Jamu also recognized both but always converts your IMDB numbers to TVDB numbers when they exist.

[07:47:45]

jya:

Am I to worry there?

[07:47:45]

jya:

2010-06–02 21:45:55.876 Python Database Connection: Using connection settings from /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml

[07:47:46]

jya:

! Error: Getting recordedprogram table record: DBData() could not read from database

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jya:

config.xml seems good to me

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RDV_Linux:

jya: What options are you running? Jamu does not write anything to the recordedprogram table.

[07:49:50]

jya:

./jamu.py -MW -s

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RDV_Linux:

jya: Pastebin all the output. Jamu is trying to get your EPG data to download images that is why it is reading that table.

[07:51:14]

jya:

oh, it's not finishing ...

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RDV_Linux:

it is expecting a matching recordedprogram record for every recorded table record.

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jya:

http://pastebin.com/uSdYA90H

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RDV_Linux:

looking

[07:52:06]

jya:

then it's doing something

[07:52:20]

jya:

not sure what :) Ctrl-C isn't responsive

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RDV_Linux:

next time run with -MWV where "V" is verbose and you can actually see what is going on.

[07:55:15]

RDV_Linux:

jya: I just checked the code. If you get that error it is as I wrote above a missing match to a recorded table record but processing just continues.

[07:55:36]

jya:

ok...

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jya:

does it cache anything with -s or will it redo the whole thing from start?

[07:57:14]

jya:

see simulation download http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/165921-1.jpg ; that URL gives me a 404 error

[07:57:23]

RDV_Linux:

jya: -s fakes out all downloads of images and db updates no caching. With the -MWV option I would not bother with the -s option as it does not update the database at all.

[07:57:37]

jya:

doesn't it ?

[07:58:19]

jya:

how does it display the right data in the recording screen ?

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RDV_Linux:

jya: options to do with MythVideo update the db but not -MW. There is a built in image hunt for the Watch Recorded screen that uses the EPG title and matches against specific image file names.

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jya:

i see...

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jya:

cool

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justinh:

killall firefox

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justinh:

duh wrong screen

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jya:

RDV_Linux: it ended prematurely with http://pastebin.com/kCJ8Gxsr

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RDV_Linux:

jya: You must be running trunk. That is a message from the python bindings. There is no issue at all. Part of the message says "ignored". You would see that message as the last line from any trunk Jamu run.

[08:30:10]

jya:

so it's completed

[08:30:43]

jya:

cool... looks awesome

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RDV_Linux:

jya: Correct it looked like it worked fine. I would love to see that message go away but I do not control that.

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jya:

I'm surprised you haven't got commit access yet

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k-man:

how do i turn off all commercial flagging?

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k-man:

tye

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k-man:

oops, the "play recording on frontend" option in mythweb doesn't actually give me a link to click on, do i have to enable something to make that work? i just enabled the telnet interface on the frontend, do i need to restart mythweb or the backend before it will work?

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justinh:

you need to restart the frontend when you enable the remote telnet thingy

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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Nixon:

<all> Hello ThisOtherGuy!

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ThisOtherGuy:

boo nixon!

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lapion:

hello

[11:00:18]

jakkarth:

lapion, hi!

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lapion:

hi jakkarth

[11:01:12]

lapion:

I was wondering if it is possible to make the cuts made on a recording permanent

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wagnerrp:

yes, by transcoding

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lapion:

now I have a file that will not transcode..

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lapion:

so I decided to cut a bit..

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wagnerrp:

why wont transcoding work then?

[11:14:55]

lapion:

seems like only on this recording..

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johnnyj:

i'm still having problems getting the transcoding wrapper stub program to do anything

[11:15:53]

johnnyj:

but i've resigned myself to reading more about python

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: to be honest, that script was a shot in the dark

[11:16:13]

wagnerrp:

but what about it is not working

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lapion:

the log file says that I should set up recording profiles.. but it should take one of the default profiles

[11:16:58]

johnnyj:

wagnerrp – no output at all

[11:17:35]

wagnerrp:

could you pastebin your copy of it?

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – sure thing – 1 sec my desk phone rang

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Heads up that I have committed the changes to the tvdb API to add the new XML output mode, which again touches setup.py, please feel free to smack me if I did anything wrong to it

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lapion:

let me tail the logfile to see whats up

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wagnerrp:

looks good from here

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wagnerrp:

the only 'problem' is ive got to manually resolve with my local changes

[11:23:27]

** wagnerrp grumbles... **

[11:23:31]

wagnerrp:

:P

[11:23:34]

iamlindoro:

heh

[11:23:42]

iamlindoro:

It'll all be so worth it ;)

[11:24:05]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/autometa.ogg Behold the glory!

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wagnerrp:

this one is actually slow enough to tell whats going on

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iamlindoro:

yeah, the ogv sucked, stupid gtkrecordmydesktop, istanbul better

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wagnerrp:

no metadata for buckaroo banzai?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, That's a good thing

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iamlindoro:

the movie title is "Buckaroo banzai across the eighth dimension" and I have my file as "Buckaroo Banzai"

[11:29:08]

wagnerrp:

same here, pretty sure it picked up on it with the old style

[11:29:09]

iamlindoro:

The name matching is done by measuring the transform distance from string a to any of the available options

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wagnerrp:

ah

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iamlindoro:

so the transform distance from A to B in that case is very far

[11:29:34]

iamlindoro:

and falls outside the threshold of the default name matching

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lapion:

http://pastebin.org/301249

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iamlindoro:

So you would either a) increase name matching permissiveness to filthy whore mode and get all sorts of error, or b) just do the few it doesn't get automatically with "W"

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iamlindoro:

There *is* a DB setting to set name matching permissiveness, but that would be a transform of like 30.. the single metadata grabs still work the same, you get a list to choose from

[11:31:45]

wagnerrp:

will that background update continue if you exit out of mythvideo?

[11:31:54]

johnnyj:

wagnerrp – sorry for the delay – http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1876022 is my copy of the transcode wrapper stub.py

[11:32:29]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: no, the thread's parent is the mythvideo window

[11:33:11]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: got somewhere that lists the optional inputs for mpg2mkv?

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johnnyj:

oh duh...

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – that's a wrapper for Handbrake – http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1876028

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wagnerrp:

so it outputs nothing? it doesnt echo the source and output?

[11:39:08]

wagnerrp:

right.. it wouldnt

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wagnerrp:

that gets pulled into the bindings

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wagnerrp:

if you changed it to 'print task.command(....'

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wagnerrp:

it would output what youre looking for

[11:40:20]

wagnerrp:

as indicated by the name, that class was intended to access grabber scripts

[11:40:32]

wagnerrp:

where you want the response from the command

[11:40:55]

wagnerrp:

so the output of the 'command' method is the response through stdout

[11:41:44]

wagnerrp:

anyway, just call handbrake directly... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1876032

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johnnyj:

oh great – thanks

[11:46:20]

wagnerrp:

you *might* have to put in the full path to HandbreakCLI

[11:46:26]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if python will find it on its own

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johnnyj:

yeah – svn post commit hooks have that issue too

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johnnyj:

which are about all the python i've ever handled

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jarle:

kormoc_afk: How does mythweb check if a show is still recording? I have a show that mythweb will show as "still recording" even if the recording ended long time ago...

[11:55:07]

iamlindoro:

I would guess they're checking the inuseprograms table

[11:55:14]

iamlindoro:

could be wrong, it's just a guess

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keith4:

i just put another disk in my backend, and added it as a new storage group. is there any automated way to re-balance storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

clever: what ever happened to that one you were working on

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keith4:

what would be involved in that, database-wise?

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iamlindoro:

If they're on the same host, nothing

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keith4:

really? awesome

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iamlindoro:

And presumably you've added it as a new path in the same storage group, rather than as a new SG

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wagnerrp:

just move them, and mythtv will be able to find them

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keith4:

iamlindoro: uh.... maybe?

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wagnerrp:

storage groups can have multiple defined paths each

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to make a new storage group for each new drive you install

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keith4:

i didn't know it searched them all. kinda figured there was a path in the db somewhere

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keith4:

okay, so if i added it as a new path for the same SG, it will be fine. if i added a new SG, it won't?

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wagnerrp:

searches for recordings will fall back to any available storage group on that host

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iamlindoro:

they'll just be less efficient

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wagnerrp:

so as long as it is a defined folder, it should find it

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wagnerrp:

but its preferred, and much cleaner, to keep it in the same SG

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keith4:

excellent. do i have to keep thumbnails and recordings together?

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – that didnt work either but I need to wait to re-enable jobs logging

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: run it manually from the command line

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johnnyj:

how do i determine the args?

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johnnyj:

chanid and start time?

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wagnerrp:

chanid and starttime

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keith4:

wait. if myth doesn't know/care exactly where the files are, how the hell does mythrename know where to symlink things to?

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wagnerrp:

or find the id of the failed job, and run it again

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wagnerrp:

keith4: it implements a search for the file

[12:35:13]

wagnerrp:

it searches through the available directories in the storage group to find it

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keith4:

ah

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keith4:

so, ignoring the directory names... did I do this correctly? http://pastebin.com/NnHfz3aN

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wagnerrp:

dont know, it doesnt list storage groups

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wagnerrp:

what about 'select * from storagegroups;'

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keith4:

k

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keith4:

http://pastebin.com/RCgkDLAx

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wagnerrp:

looks good

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keith4:

great. thanks!

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johnnyj:

can mythvcommflag not gen a cutlist on it's 1st pass?

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wagnerrp:

no, it does not generate a cutlist, only a skiplist

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johnnyj:

so if you want a cutlist you need to re-run it with --gencutlist?

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wagnerrp:

the devs do not consider the commercial detection to be sufficiently accurate to immediately build a cutlist

[12:45:37]

wagnerrp:

if you want a cutlist, you should go into edit mode, load the skiplist, and confirm the cuts

[12:46:02]

johnnyj:

this is a friend asking me – admittedly a friend that needs to join the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

answer is still the same

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iamlindoro:

Why, nobody knows anything on the mailing list

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iamlindoro:

maybe a half dozen non-idiots

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iamlindoro:

And four thousand screaming mongol dillweeds

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johnnyj:

i sent him to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/291403#291403

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wagnerrp:

yes, thats retarded

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wagnerrp:

hence the big 'WARNING' at the top of the page

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wagnerrp:

gah...

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** wagnerrp needs to fix ntp on his laptop **

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johnnyj:

so if I accidently started up mythcommflag with no args

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johnnyj:

and it started processing a seemingly random previously recorded program

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johnnyj:

and I killed it when I realized what I had done

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johnnyj:

now there's an entry in my jobqueue table saying that it's searching for logo in this program

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johnnyj:

is there a preferred means of cleanging this job from the queue?

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Captain_Murdoch:

keith4, you don't want /mythtv/group1, /mythtv/group2, /mythtv/group3 to be mount points _AND_ Storage Group directories though. you want to make a subdir below the mount and set that subdir up in the Storage Group. That way if the drive is ever unmounted, MythTV won't record to the mount point itself and fill up your root hard drive. so, mount on /mythtv/group1 and put make a subdir /mythtv/group1/recordings and put tha

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Captain_Murdoch:

t subdir in the Storage Group.

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keith4:

Captain_Murdoch: oh, no worries. the underlying directories are root:root 770

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keith4:

but you make an excellent point

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Captain_Murdoch:

so in your case you'd just have failed recordings :) since the recorder wouldn't be able to write to the dir. :) if the SG dir doesn't exist, then MythTV will use another dir, that's another reason for using subdirs on mounted filesystems.

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – i determined the job id but then i run that script manually I get nothing – not even usage

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wagnerrp:

haha... i always forget something

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keith4:

Captain_Murdoch: true. it hasn't been a problem (... yet)

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: see the change to the script on the wiki

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johnnyj:

ha

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: "jerky jerk", eh? :)

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – woo hoo – it appears to be running

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wagnerrp:

yeah... uh... my bad

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tank-man:

couple capacitors went kaput on my video card, all that time looking at logs for nothing

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Digital-Pioneer:

OK, got an irritating little GUI glitch on mythfrontend. I'm using the Mythbuntu theme, with a modified menu theme, and when I'm browsing the menus, the highlighted item disappears instead of the normal selected effect. Any idea what could cause that? Perhaps I broke something in the XML? But what?

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Digital-Pioneer:

All my modifications are in ~/.mythtv/themes and I have reinstalled mythtv-common to make sure I haven't screwed anything up in there.

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wagnerrp:

menu theme alterations do not affect the operation of the UI

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wagnerrp:

some time prior to 0.23, there was a change in the theming engine, which required all the themes to be updated to match

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wagnerrp:

if you were using the updated engine on an older theme, you would see that issue where the highlighted item was invisible

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Digital-Pioneer:

wagnerrp: OK, so my theme is outdated? Can I just run some script on it to update it?

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wagnerrp:

update it the same way you got it the first time

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Digital-Pioneer:

wagnerrp: apt?

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: I like people to get their credit :)

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Digital-Pioneer:

wagnerrp: OK, not sure how to update it. It came packaged, and all my packages are up-to-date. :\

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: yeah, I hear ya, just found the description of yourself amusing ;)

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iamlindoro:

I felt bad :)

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justinh:

eew what happened to opendns? :-O

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Jay2k1:

why not make your own

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justinh:

yeah I used to use a dns caching thingy on my old backend

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justinh:

dnsmasq that was it

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Jay2k1:

yeah that's a fast caching only dns

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Jay2k1:

i use bind though, i don't forward, i resolve myself

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** justinh wonders what use resolving internet addresses yourself is **

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johnnyj:

oh yeah? I fold my own tcp packets by hand

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wagnerrp:

justinh: lets you redirect local stuff internally, rather than having to use a hosts file

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justinh:

wagnerrp: absolutely zip all use for me then

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wagnerrp:

justinh: thats the only use ive personally got for one

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skd5aner:

!seen gbee

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MythLogBot:

gbee was last seen 12 hours 25 minutes 36 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

!seen stuartm

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MythLogBot:

stuartm was last seen 2 days 2 hours 30 minutes 55 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

can always check the user list first

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skd5aner:

I did

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NIklas__E:

is there any easy way to install mythtv 0.23 in gentoo?

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wagnerrp:

'emerge mythtv'

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NIklas__E:

wagnerrp: it only install 0.22

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wagnerrp:

so unmask 0.23

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dustybin:

migrating a backend + server onto another box was a _MISSION_

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dustybin:

my room has never looked messy

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dustybin:

*so

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dustybin:

there was dust everywhere, electronics, fans, hard drives, mobos, everywhere

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Jay2k1:

justinh: means your internal dns server does not forward non-cached queries to another DNS (opendns, google, your ISP) but asks for the authoritative servers itself

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dustybin:

but now its finished... dustybin presents the new mythtv backend:

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dustybin:

Hostname: server – OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 – CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2933.263 MHz) – Processes: 203 – Uptime: 52m – Load Average: 0.14 – Memory Usage: 137.91MB/3702.39MB (3.72%) – Disk Usage: 188.81GB/1077.54GB (17.52%)

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RockHound:

Jay2k1: thx for the tipp towards mythwelcome ... works perfectly

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Jay2k1:

i.e. for en.wikipedia.org it asks root server, from there it's being told to ask the server responsible for org., from there to wikipedia.org. and so on

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RockHound:

I am missing the current time on that screen though

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wagnerrp:

they make quadcore i3s?

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Jay2k1:

then look in the upper right corner, RockHound :)

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RockHound:

nope ... not with arclight theme

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RockHound:

or I am blind

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Jay2k1:

ah well

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Jay2k1:

i use mythcenter-wide

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RockHound:

been there ... ;-)

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Jay2k1:

so you increased your idle delay now? :)

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RockHound:

nope ... just setup the right command via mythshutdown

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Jay2k1:

no i mean, to prevent early shutdown after boot

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Jay2k1:

when i switch on the machine, i have to wait until welcome is there and then start the frontend within 60 seconds, or the machine will power off itself again

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – wow that first attempt is still running

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RockHound:

if I switch it on manually, mythwelcome starts mythfrontend immediately which prevents the shutdown

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: what did you expect? h264 is very intensive to encode

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justinh:

Jay2k1: IMHO the big difference is that my ISP's DNS is terribly slow at times. caching really helps

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Jay2k1:

for queries you use regularly, yes

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Jay2k1:

for new ones, it doesn't make stuff faster if your isp's is slow

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Jay2k1:

RockHound and if it powers itself on automatically to record a scheduled show, the frontend is not started?

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Jay2k1:

i know you can configure welcome to do so, but it never worked reliably for me

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RockHound:

Jay2k1: yes, that has worked for me in my tests today

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Jay2k1:

sometimes it powered on at 3am to record and stayed on all night because it started the FE... when i turn it on the next time to watch a recording, FE is not started and it goes down again

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Jay2k1:

well, i'm curious if it'll work for you

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RockHound:

I will watch this

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Jay2k1:

if yes, i might give it another try

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Jay2k1:

my previous tries were on 0.22

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Jay2k1:

i even tried to do it with a shellscript

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – this is a 30 min file recorded on my hdpvr in 720p – it's a triple core AMD/2 at 2.5Ghz

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wagnerrp:

youre doing h264 to h264?

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Jay2k1:

but i'm glad you like mythwelcome anyway :)

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – i was under the impression that the command i was using for handbrake would result in a smaller file when using mkv

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johnnyj:

does the container make no difference?

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wagnerrp:

last time i tried to transcode my ATSC recordings, it was 1080i60 mpeg2 @14mbps to 1080p24 h264 @6mbps

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wagnerrp:

took me like 4hrs on a 2.2GHz C2D

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dustybin:

do you think mythtv should implement a database-free way of transfering recordings. ie, imagine you had a hard drive of recordings, all you would need to do is plug it into a new fresh mythtv box, and it would read a file in the recordings directory then fill the database up automatically

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – good to know

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: that 2.2GHz C2 is slightly less powerful single threaded than your 2.5 AMD

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wagnerrp:

you likely cannot decode that HDPVR recording in real time on that processor

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wagnerrp:

so youre running 'detelecine'... which should just be dropping frames on 720p content

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liminal:

hello

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liminal:

hi again wagnerrp

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liminal:

ive installed mythtv within ubuntu lucid lynx

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wagnerrp:

-q20, multi-hex blocking.... youre probably going to be running ~8fps on that encode

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liminal:

but i am having trouble connecting and filling my database

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liminal:

ive installed mythtv sucesfully before within ibex so im not sure what im doing wrong this time

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wagnerrp:

nah, closer to 6fps

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liminal:

http://pastebin.com/0yrytdKz

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liminal:

this is what i get when i run fillmythdatabase

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RockHound:

some recordings are named differently in germany and I would really like to have the cover she-bang fetching work for those aswell. Can I somehow save the real name of the recording somewhere?

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kormoc:

cover she-bang fetching?

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RockHound:

kormoc: hehe ... i meant that for example in the arclight theme, the recordings have a coverart or fanart picture as a background

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iamlindoro:

It's the collected works of William Hung

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iamlindoro:

Didn't he cover She-Bang?

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RockHound:

rofl

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RockHound:

do you guys know what I mean?

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wagnerrp:

no... we dont

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iamlindoro:

presume he was asking how to have Jamu download artwork for his german-language recordings

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iamlindoro:

which means he hadn't read the Jamu wiki to do title:inetref mapping

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kormoc:

I was wondering if he was attempting to embed a script into his message and get me to execute it

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders what he just came back to... is this really #mythtv-users ??? ;-) **

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A: of course it is she-bang bin bash newline cat etc passwd pipe mail blackhat at blackmarket dot org

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J-e-f-f-A:

There... updated the 6200ch program on the wiki to have my optional inter-digit delay parameter. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: hehehehe...

[17:11:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I forget – are you on FiOS TV too?

[17:11:42]

kormoc:

I used to be, moved downtown and thus no fios :(

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kormoc:

I'm on directtv now

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J-e-f-f-A:

:-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

I probably should have added a 'revision log' section on the 6200ch wiki page... hummm

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** J-e-f-f-A is really impressed at the massive amount of development being done on Myth currently... So many awesome things being done... ;-) **

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dustybin:

when i compile mythtv i get this error:

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dustybin:

MMX disabled on x86

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dustybin:

do i need to turn on MMX via the BIOS ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: Gee, what are you trying to compile it on a 486?

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dustybin:

ERROR: MMX disabled on x86, MythTV will be very slow.\n\tDisable this check with --enable-disable-mmx-for-debugging

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dustybin:

Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

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dustybin:

not that old

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: I'd check the BIOS – it's probably in there. ... I just can't remember the last time I'd see a machine without MMX support!

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dustybin:

im using a slackbuild

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dustybin:

i just changed the arch to i686 instead of i486

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dustybin:

seems to be ok now!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that could do it... Did you 'force' it to i486 before?

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dustybin:

the slackbuild has ARCH=i486 in the script

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dustybin:

*had

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dustybin:

i changed it to i686, now its compiling without warnings / errors

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: the i5 processors may very well not support MMX

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wagnerrp:

the EM64T architecture does not have those units, and they are disabled in 64-bit mode

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wagnerrp:

why are you compiling 32-bit anyway?

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: this is a frontend, different box, its a p4 2.8, my mini HP / COMPAQ D530

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dustybin:

this is my backend:

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dustybin:

Hostname: server – OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 – CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2933.263 MHz) – Processes: 212 – Uptime: 2h 28m – Load Average: 0.04 – Memory Usage: 194.68MB/3702.39MB (5.26%) – Disk Usage: 188.75GB/1077.55GB (17.52%)

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dustybin:

this is my frontend

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dustybin:

Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

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justinh:

well, looks like I'll be changing web hosts after all. more work for me! :)

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justinh:

so long one.com, you bucket of lameness

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clever:

wagnerrp: which one i was working on?

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wagnerrp:

script to balance recordings between storage groups

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clever:

ah, its still got some bugs but i can paste up a copy

[18:01:32]

wagnerrp:

just thought of it since someone else was wanting to do the same thing

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** Beirdo yawns **

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clever:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/index.php

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Beirdo:

url fail

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clever:

the central loop needs to be rewriten, its still using if's to find the fullest drive, when i could be using a sorted array

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clever:

lol

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wagnerrp:

well this is frightening...

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clever:

http://pastebin.ca/1876272

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clever:

forgot that pastebin doesnt go directly there

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wagnerrp:

ohio supreme court upholds a ruling that a cop's word is good enough for a speeding conviction

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** wagnerrp wants to see the NIST certification for that officer's eye ball **

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: move outta oHIo

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wagnerrp:

'the officer is trained, certified by a training academy, and experienced in watching for speeders'

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ohio sucks... I got a speeding ticket driving through that state in 2004...

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wagnerrp:

f--- that, the cops around here cant even manage to stay in their lane on a straight road

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clever:

wagnerrp: another bug that i think is just my fault, inuseprograms keeps filling up with dead preview_generator's

[18:06:23]

Beirdo:

'the officer is drunk and wouldn't know a speeder from a donut'

[18:06:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

They 'pounced' on me, since I had a camp trailer and out-of-state plates – the other 20 cars around me were going the same speed... ugh...

[18:06:50]

clever:

i think its because i somehow compiled the video codecs with sse so they now crash on the master backend and leave the table unclean

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, you dont speed through central ohio without a detector

[18:07:24]

Kazan:

anyone know why my TV is able to tune some analog channels, but my PVR-500 isn't able to tune those same channels....

[18:07:27]

wagnerrp:

period

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: you remind me of a line in Liar Liar

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: an eyeball-detector?

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wagnerrp:

Kazan: your TV has a digital tuner?

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Beirdo:

stop breaking the law... <censored>

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Kazan:

wagnerrp: they're analog

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Kazan:

wagnerrp: the TV reported them as analog

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: heheheh... Oh well... It was a $150 ticket IIRC... that hurt...

[18:08:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, it can hurt... don't get caught next time :)

[18:08:35]

wagnerrp:

Kazan: the channels are not listed by schedules direct, so mythtv doesnt know they exist to tune

[18:08:45]

Kazan:

they're listed in SD

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Kazan:

it is attempting to tune them, but is gettin static

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clever:

wagnerrp: it also doesnt put anything into inuseprograms, so myth itself may try to expire the file and only delete one of the 2 copies (mid-move)

[18:09:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Anyways, it's after 6pm.. time to head home! ;-) ttyl.

[18:09:18]

wagnerrp:

i need to put stuff for that table into the bindings...

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clever:

during the move, its probly not safe to even read the file

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clever:

since it might read from the origin which will be deleted soon

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clever:

ive had mythtranscode do the same and the frontend just up and stoped playback

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GuyCanada:

hey guys im loking to build a mythtv pc for myself and i dont know how to tell if i need digital or analogue input and im also looking for a car that will "just work"

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GuyCanada:

normally i dont mind messing with linux stuff but in this case id really like my card to work without much effort

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Beirdo:

a car that will "just work"? Better buy a Honda

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GuyCanada:

beirdo, card

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GuyCanada:

sorry

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Beirdo:

you would have to know what the heck you are trying to capture from

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Beirdo:

we don't know

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Beirdo:

sorry if I'm a bit grumpy... frigging headaches

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GuyCanada:

okay well it would jstu be a regular cable TV cable that im capturing from

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GuyCanada:

i can find out what im capturing later im just looking for cards that will work

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Beirdo:

no, you need to know what kind of signal you are capturing to know what cards will be able to capture it

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Beirdo:

"regular cable TV" doesn't mean much... analog? digital?

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GuyCanada:

ahh i see, i figured the cable would only carry one or the other didnt know the same type of input could carry analogue or digital, lets assume its digital cable

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GuyCanada:

what would be a good card assuming digital capture beirdo

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kormoc:

Is your digital encrypted?

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i_is_cat:

is there a working mythmovies script for canada? :S i just noticed that feature and it would be super cool if it worked for me

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iamlindoro:

good timing, it was deleted from svn yesterday

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i_is_cat:

:O no way

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iamlindoro:

yup

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GuyCanada:

hey kormoc, i dont know what my input is how would i find out?

[20:05:55]

i_is_cat:

well that sucks for me :S

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: if you hook up a QAM tuner, do you get your channels or do you need a cable box?

[20:07:32]

tweek__:

I've got this awesome Perl script that queries mythconverg to automatically transcode MPEG-2 source media to MPEG-4 H.264 / AAC

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tweek__:

with commercial cuts automatically applied (assuming the user has flagged them already with mythfrontend, which is damn easy to do)

[20:08:13]

kormoc:

tweek__: nuvexport and watch your language?

[20:08:13]

tweek__:

extracts closed-captions as subtitles with ccextractor and embeds them

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iamlindoro:

congratulations, you've invented nuvexport

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iamlindoro:

except nuvexport actually uses the bindings like a proper script ;)

[20:08:37]

tweek__:

and uses AtomicParsley to embed MP4 metadata pulled from mysql

[20:09:15]

tweek__:

figured nuvexport would just work with nuppel video, whatever that is

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iamlindoro:

you were mistaken

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tweek__:

and besides this way I have control over the entire process

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tweek__:

and nothing is broken

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iamlindoro:

which differs from nuvexport how?

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kormoc:

tweek__: nuvexport patches are always welcome

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GuyCanada:

kormoc, i have a cable box but i can get channels by plugging the cable directly into the tv, just no guide i believe

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Beirdo:

if something in nuvexport is broken, you can put in tickets, patches :)

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iamlindoro:

nuvexport works fine so long as you use the version of ffmpeg it is targeted against (just as you would need to do for any consumer of ffmpeg of mencoder)

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GuyCanada:

also Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1100 has analogue and digital input and says both are supported on the wiki, can i go wrong with something like that?

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kormoc:

well, to be fair, he mentioned a few things that nuvexport could use

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Beirdo:

yeah, he did. :)

[20:11:07]

tweek__:

I don't see anything in here about captions

[20:11:13]

tweek__:

those are very important to me

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iamlindoro:

Probably addable to nuvexport in what, a dozen lines?

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kormoc:

you could always help improve the official tool

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tweek__:

yeah, way to rain on my parade. I spent two weeks making this, and 'it can be added in a dozen lines to something we already have'.

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iamlindoro:

and then you're helping the community instead of fragmenting it-- and we could never endorse your script since it does direct SQL hacking

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iamlindoro:

We're just suggesting that the official tool (which has official developer support) might be a better place to direct the effort-- by its nature, nothing that directly accesses the DB will ever be officially supportable

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kormoc:

tweek__: way to rain on our parade, we've spend years developing nuvexport correctly and we get a new script rather then enhancements

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kormoc:

it works both ways

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tweek__:

is there anything I can say in this channel that doesn't get turned into snobbish comments from the developers

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tweek__:

anything -at all-

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xand:

does nuvexport deal with multiple audio tracks properly when using mencoder?

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tweek__:

I mean, I know it's freenode

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tweek__:

but good god

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kormoc:

tweek__: if you take things so personally, then no

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Beirdo:

xand: it does if someone bothers to tell us what you want it to do :)

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kormoc:

tweek__: and why are you telling us about it if you don't want feedback?

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xand:

Beirdo: mencoder itself often chooses the wrong audio track when presented with a mythtv recording

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xand:

mencoder/mplayer

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Beirdo:

besides mencoder isn't used much. mainly transcode and ffmpeg

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tweek__:

mencoder -oac libfaac is broken, at least on my system.

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GuyCanada:

kormoc, i have a cable box but i can get channels by plugging the cable directly into the tv, just no guide i believe

[20:15:11]

GuyCanada:

also Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1100 has analogue and digital input and says both are supported on the wiki, can i go wrong with something like that?

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: you sure it's digital?

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: would be great if it's non-encrypted and digital, don't know about the analog side

[20:15:50]

GuyCanada:

well its eastlink digital cable the service is called as far as i know

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Beirdo:

GuyCanada: you in Halifax-ish?

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tweek__:

I mostly mentioned it because the one thing I'm missing from my metadata is the episode number / season number

[20:16:16]

GuyCanada:

beirdo, cape breton

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GuyCanada:

beirdo * ^

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tweek__:

it transcodes H.264 that iPods can play, which is great, but they tend to sort by episode / season numbers

[20:16:40]

Beirdo:

nice. Dunno if GreyFoxx is awake, but he may have the same provider

[20:16:49]

GuyCanada:

oops i thought is pelled it wrong the first time srry

[20:16:52]

tweek__:

how does nuvexport do metadata? seems like there's so many different ways to go about it

[20:16:57]

Beirdo:

heh.

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GuyCanada:

kormoc ^ sorry forgot to add your name up there

[20:17:56]

GuyCanada:

beirdo, was that to me? greyfoxx may also be on eastlink? that would be helpful

[20:18:21]

Beirdo:

he may be. Last I heard, he was in the Halifax area. Anyways...

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kormoc:

tweek__: it uses the perl language bindings to get metadata

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tweek__:

is there some sort of mythtv module in CPAN?

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kormoc:

no, it's not in cpan, it ships with the backend

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kormoc:

as it's tied to the backend version

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GuyCanada:

cool, well thanks for the help. hopefully ill be able to figure it out

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GuyCanada:

what would be the difference if my input is incrypted or no? would it need different cards?

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: the *only* legal way to get the encrypted channels would be a hdpvr

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GuyCanada:

kormoc, ahh i see well i have no hdpvr so it musnt be encrypted

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

that's a card for myth to use

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GuyCanada:

kormoc oh well, i can use a tv without a setup box and get channel, jsut not use the guide

[20:24:13]

GuyCanada:

so

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kormoc:

that would say it's not encrypted, yes

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GuyCanada:

would a hdpvr card be worth getting anyway tho?

[20:24:44]

kormoc:

I like mine

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GuyCanada:

would it work for non encrypted stuff adn then if i never needed to use it with an encrypted signal i would be ok for instance?

[20:25:24]

GuyCanada:

i see, what card do you use and did it work "out of the box" or minimal effort kormoc?

[20:25:34]

Beirdo:

I'll be getting one sometime soon myself :)

[20:25:39]

kormoc:

I have a hdpvr, and I think it's pretty simple, aye

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kormoc:

requires a semi-hefty machine to play it back on tho (or something like vdpau)

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GuyCanada:

heafty in waht manner kormoc?

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kormoc:

it's h264, that's a lot of cpu power if you don't offload it

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iamlindoro:

gross tonnage

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kormoc:

that as well, those bits are dense

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GuyCanada:

the box im workign with right now i dont have a graphics card for yet so i can splurge a bit there, bpu is only 1.8 ghz tho

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GuyCanada:

cpu*

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kormoc:

1.8 ghz in what cpu family?

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iamlindoro:

386sx

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iamlindoro:

x 18

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kormoc:

ooh, overclocker eh?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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GuyCanada:

ahh its a pentium 4

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i_is_cat:

i use a p4 1.6ghz for my frontend

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kormoc:

yeah, that's a bit old for anything HD

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i_is_cat:

but i dont do hd

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i_is_cat:

yet..

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Beirdo:

without vdpau, gonna be a bit hopeless for HD

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GuyCanada:

if i werent using it for HD would it be fine and able to support the HDpvr?

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GuyCanada:

whats vdpau?

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kormoc:

I wouldn't know

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iamlindoro:

GuyCanada, not a chance

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Beirdo:

if you're not doing HD, why buy an HDpvr? ;)

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i_is_cat:

lol thats why i dont have one

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GuyCanada:

well i dunno im trying to figure out what i AM going to do, i may do some HD or in the future

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iamlindoro:

ah, "weren't" yeah, no point if you're not gonna do HD

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GuyCanada:

im trying to figure out how to go about this machine ahah

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** kormoc eyes a second mac mini **

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GuyCanada:

i dont mind replacing the CPU but i wont if i dont have to

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iamlindoro:

GuyCanada, As a rule, MythTV is not a cost saving measure

[20:30:41]

iamlindoro:

it's a way to spend way, way, way more on a DVR, not less.

[20:30:55]

GuyCanada:

i see

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iamlindoro:

You get the luxury and flexibility that we all desire, but it is not the bargain option

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GuyCanada:

perhaps ill just get a pvr then

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kormoc:

GuyCanada: if I was you, I'd pick up a pvr150 and use that

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i_is_cat:

probably for the best.. lol

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kormoc:

*happauge pvr 150

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i_is_cat:

i have a pvr150 it works great

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kormoc:

they're cheap, great for that level of cpu power

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i_is_cat:

and it was cheap.. $60

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kormoc:

and no big deal to upgrade later if needed

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GuyCanada:

i thought i reado n the myth wiki that the 150 isnt supported?

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i_is_cat:

if he doesnt have a decent video card he might want to think about the 350 if its available.. since it has the tvout port..

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kormoc:

that's not correct at all

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kormoc:

we've dropped pvr 350 output support

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i_is_cat:

oh well then.. i'll take that back

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GuyCanada:

well ill be getting a new graphics card anyway the current one only has vga out

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i_is_cat:

then get a pvr 150.. its cheap, sets up super simple and has great sd picture quality

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GuyCanada:

THANK YOU ahah thats all im looking for, whats sd picture tho

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kormoc:

Standard Def

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kormoc:

it won't do HD

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GuyCanada:

ahhh wonderful

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GuyCanada:

thats fine

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GuyCanada:

that sounds like what i want

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i_is_cat:

and if you get a boxed version it usually comes with the mceusb ir blaster which lets you control your tv or other device..

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GuyCanada:

thats excelent that sounds like what i want

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GuyCanada:

so will it save me money if i picked up the machine from an enviro depot for 20 bucks and all i need is the tuner card and graphics card

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GuyCanada:

what kind of output would be best for the graphics card? still hdmi even tho im using standard def?

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wagnerrp:

do you have a TV that takes HDMI?

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GuyCanada:

yeah my tvs take hdmi

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wagnerrp:

do you have a video card that outputs HDMI, or lacking that, DVI?

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GuyCanada:

im goign to replace the video card

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GuyCanada:

currently its only VGA

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GuyCanada:

thats what im wondering, what pricepoint will be nescessary for the video card

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wagnerrp:

well you wont be able to replace it with anything worthwhile

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GuyCanada:

and what outputs would be best

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wagnerrp:

not on an old P4 that only supports VGA

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wagnerrp:

erm... AGP

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wagnerrp:

and its an old 478 P4, so its not like you could buy a new 775 board for it

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GuyCanada:

ok well will standard def recording and vga output look at laest as good as standard def tv not runnign through the pc?

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GuyCanada:

or would i be best to run seperate cables for the tv adn the pc and use the pc only for recording and not watching

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wagnerrp:

well youre adding another analog->digital->analog in there, so it will never look as good as a tuner on the tv

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GuyCanada:

ok but reasonble looking

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GuyCanada:

ahaha maybe i should jsut buy a pvr

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tweek__:

these 'bindings' seem to assume rather heavily that mythtv is installed, this script is eventually intended to be run on a FreeBSD server without it installed

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tweek__:

but then, who knows, no documentation

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tweek__:

unless you count the guide on how to install DBI

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Beirdo:

tweek__: the bindings bind the script to mythtv

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Beirdo:

of course mythtv is expected to be installed

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the_true_justice:

hi for all i am trying to install encore usb ENUTV-2 model of the chip TM5600 it is compatible with linux or not and tnx !!!

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tweek__:

all I'd want / need is the ability to query the MySQL database for information about recordings

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tweek__:

and maybe the ability to copy the recordings using NFS or something

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tweek__:

but, no, that's 'a quick hack' or some nonsense and the preferred approach is to use something that hasn't been updated in a while, isn't really used in many places, has little documentation and all-but-requires a full MythTV installation

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the_true_justice:

hi for all i am trying to install encore usb ENUTV-2 model of the chip TM5600 it is compatible with linux or not and tnx !!!

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Beirdo:

tweek__: you gonna keep whining, or do you plan on actually contribute? :) nuvexport has been updated a bit recently

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Beirdo:

and if there were more hours in the day, would be again soon

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: neither the perl nor python bindings require mythtv to be installed locally

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tweek__:

well, if this is any indication of how long the script would last on the wiki if I were to post it after ... well, why the hell is it checking for configuration files every other line

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wagnerrp:

all they need is that config.xml to figure out where the database is

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: for what its worth, the python bindings are maintained pretty actively

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tweek__:

I like python better anyway

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Beirdo:

oO

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wagnerrp:

sphery: got any tips for handling access to innodb tables?

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tweek__:

would be nice to run this on Windows, and maybe use some of the same stuff to transcode MS-DVR files, extract metadata from them, ... commercial cut would be a bit weird

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Beirdo:

Windows?!

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Beirdo:

ugh

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tweek__:

yeah, you know, that thing that does all of this out of the box for you

[21:01:21]

wagnerrp:

been running into some problems with people using those sorts of tables with jamu/mirobridge

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wagnerrp:

does it now....

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tweek__:

and works with every cap card out there, basically

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

so go use Windows

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tweek__:

I dual-boot, I'd like to record from Fedora too if that's okay with you

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wagnerrp:

mythtv expects its going to have dedicated access to the hardware, to be able to use it whenever it pleases

[21:02:45]

wagnerrp:

youre not going to be very happy using it in a dual boot environment

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Beirdo:

I sense more complaining in the future

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

what gives you that idea? the sustained complaining in the near past?

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tweek__:

you're talking about ACPI timers on a HTPC-type setup? I don't use this like that

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: yeah, that would be a good indication, I would think

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tweek__:

do you guys always ask for 'contributions' from people while insulting them

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tweek__:

or trying, anyway

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wagnerrp:

have we ever asked for contributions?

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tweek__:

do I have to scroll up and copy-paste?

[21:05:15]

iamlindoro:

tweek__, To be honest, and I think I speak for all of us, your help comes at way too high a price

[21:05:16]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not accept money

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iamlindoro:

so speaking officially now, please don't help

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tweek__:

schedulesdirect does

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iamlindoro:

and if at all possible, please don't use MythTV

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wagnerrp:

schedulesdirect != mythtv

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iamlindoro:

schedulesdirect isn't MythTV

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Beirdo:

heh. snicker

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tweek__:

but it's maintained and run by MythTV devs

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iamlindoro:

No, it's not

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Beirdo:

there is some overlap, but it's not like it's a subproject

[21:06:22]

iamlindoro:

There are a couple myth devs among the founding group/on the board-- it is actually directly run by *non* myth devs

[21:06:39]

iamlindoro:

but way to make a service to the community sound insidious

[21:06:57]

iamlindoro:

anyway, again, and I'm asking nicely, please please please go use something else

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tweek__:

not trying, I'm just sick of the 'we don't owe anyone anything, get out of here peasant' attitude

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iamlindoro:

I'll even chip in the $20 "we" lose by losing your "business"

[21:07:29]

iamlindoro:

We *don't* owe anyone anything

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tweek__:

especially yuu iaml

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iamlindoro:

least of all those who are a horrible headache to deal with

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iamlindoro:

I don't owe you the time of day, let alone my countless hours on this project

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: still around?

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tweek__:

that's understood, but do you need to spend more time reminding people about it than actually working on things?

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the_true_justice:

any one can recomend me a good usb tv tuner card for linux and mythtv?

[21:09:16]

tweek__:

hvr 1600

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wagnerrp:

the_true_justice: what type of input

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iamlindoro:

tweek__, You frankly haven't the foggiest idea how much time I've spent or spend working on things-- and if you wanted to pick a "who contributes" fight, you picked the wrong guy

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: what if he wants to record DVB? or PAL? or anything analog HD?

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k-man:

the_true_justice: for analogue or digital reception?

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: not to mention that /card/ is not /USB/

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the_true_justice:

k-man : analogue !!!!

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tweek__:

whoops, didn't notice the USB bit

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wagnerrp:

the_true_justice: we need to know what you want to record before we can recommend something

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wagnerrp:

theres half a dozen different standards to choose from

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jamesd2:

TFW, Error: safe_write(): File I/O errcnt: 2

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jamesd2:

eno: Input/output error (5) <--- needs better error information... like what file or at least filesystem it happened on...

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k-man:

the_true_justice: i think HDHomerun has an analogue version, and personally that's what I would get, but I have the digital version of the HDHR so can't really comment

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wagnerrp:

there is no analog HDHomeRun

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k-man:

the_true_justice: i'd choose something that's not usb personaly, i have had problems with usb tuners in the past

[21:12:24]

k-man:

wagnerrp: hm... i thought there was but i must have thought wrong

[21:12:29]

wagnerrp:

so you want to capture analog tv in... columbia?

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp yap :)

[21:13:25]

wagnerrp:

looks like youre NTSC

[21:13:32]

wagnerrp:

so that would be a WinTV-PVR-USB

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Beirdo:

Colombia?! seriously? nice

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp colombia yap i use NTSC !!!!

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k-man:

the_true_justice: why do you want USB specificaly?

[21:14:29]

wagnerrp:

those are no longer sold retail, but you can usually pick them up used

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the_true_justice:

k-man because i am working on caracol tv station !!!

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wagnerrp:

you either want that or the (much more expensive) HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

there are other cheaper USB tuners, but theyre all going to be framegrabbers

[21:15:29]

wagnerrp:

you dont want to use a framegrabber with mythtv

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp WinTV-HVR-1950 for NTSC, ATSC and clear QAM TV is compatible with linux os

[21:17:21]

wagnerrp:

yes, fully compatible with linux/mythtv

[21:17:37]

wagnerrp:

but also rather expensive, especially if you dont have any digital tv stations to use it with

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GuyCanada:

if i were to get a new in box wintv pvr 150 on ebay but it doesnt come with a remote can a universal remote easily be programmed for a tv tuner card?

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k-man:

the_true_justice: sorry, still don't understand why it has to be a USB tuner as such

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k-man:

is there an analogue equivalent of an HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

GuyCanada: if it doesnt come with a remote, it probably wont come with an IR receiver either, so the question is moot

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Beirdo:

tweek__: if you are still around, I'd still be interested in seeing your script... it could help us add functionality to nuvexport

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tweek__:

according to whoever-it-was, it's not done yet because it uses 'direct SQL hacking'

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Beirdo:

it may not be done, but whatever.

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tweek__:

here's the WIP: http://codepad.org/pXq3Dwsi

[21:20:13]

k-man:

tweek__: i missed it, what is your script's purpose?

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wagnerrp:

yes, its preferred to use the bindings wherever possible, if for no other reason than to automatically pick up the credentials to access the database

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Beirdo:

if you are interested in having the stuff supported in nuvexport... we can see what we can do

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tweek__:

I've got it running on a long queue of video files, it all seems to work out nicely for now

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GuyCanada:

wagnerrp im pretty sure the wintv pvr 150 has anotehr version that comes iwth a remote and i think it has an IR reciever, if it did have an IR reciever would it be programmable with a universal remote?

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wagnerrp:

GuyCanada: that depends entirely on whether the universal remote in question supports the codes used by the IR receiver

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tweek__:

wagnerrp: no, really, thanks for telling me about this perl module, this saves me some work in getting MPG files copied over

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GuyCanada:

thanks wagnerrp, how likely do you think that is? just a ballpark figure or something

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wagnerrp:

i didnt recommend it, i came in to the conversation much after that

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wagnerrp:

GuyCanada: no clue

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GuyCanada:

ok thanks

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tweek__:

k-man: basically it runs FFmpeg and MP4Box and such automatically to transcode media into a format that can be played on your iPod, complete with subtitles, commercial clipping, and iTunes-compatible metadata

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k-man:

tweek__: that sounds cool

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tweek__:

no idea how to do the same for Windows Media Player / explorer, you'd think after five years there'd be some sort of standard tag

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is no metadata standard for video formats

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wagnerrp:

nothing like id3 anyway

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Beirdo:

OK, time for me to finally leave work

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Beirdo:

bleh

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k-man:

can you jump to mythnetvision using the telnet socket interface?

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp this is the best one (WinTV-HVR-1950) or exit more better that is compatible with os because i want capture for tv station and i want to capture a good resolution of image !!!

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp this is the best one (WinTV-HVR-1950) or exit more better that is compatible with linux os because i want capture for tv station and i want to capture a good resolution of image !!!

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wagnerrp:

the_true_justice: the 1950 and the pvr-usb are the only two USB MPEG encoders

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wagnerrp:

MPEG encoder being something that outputs a pre-compressed mpeg stream

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wagnerrp:

rather than framegrabbers, which require a lot of power in the backend, and some hassle to get set up and working

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wagnerrp:

the 1950 is basically a pvr-usb and an ATSC tuner strapped together

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k-man:

my experience with usb tuners is that if anything crashes the USB subsystem, you'll have to reboot before your tuner will work again.... this would happen on my old machine once a month or so

[21:32:08]

k-man:

it maybe better now but imho if you want reliability, i would steer clear of USB tuners

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Azelphur:

Hi, I have a bunch of files, originally called 103 – title (Season 1, episode 3), unsurprisingly mythtv thought this was episode 103, so I changed all the titles to be S01E03 – Title, did a scan for changes, however mythtv still thinks that it's episode 103 instead of 03, what should I be doing to fix this?

[21:33:20]

k-man:

are there ethernet based mpeg encoder capture devices?

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iamlindoro:

Azelphur, reset metadata on the item

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: 0.23 now does file hashing, so it can recognize renamed recordings (and keep the metadata)

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wagnerrp:

either individually reset the metadata as iamlindoro suggests

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the_true_justice:

ahhhhhhhhhhh ok !!!

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tweek__:

what exactly crashes the USB subsystem? only time I run into those sorts of problems is with EMI in embedded scenarios with ... gumstix and such

[21:34:15]

wagnerrp:

or move the whole folder somewhere mythvideo cannot see it, and rescan, to flush them out

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: ty :)

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tweek__:

I'll agree that USB tuners suck though

[21:34:31]

iamlindoro:

or perhaps more simply, just hit "e" on the item, and set the season and episode number manually

[21:35:35]

Azelphur:

I'll take wagnerrp's suggestion, 5 seasons of manual setting, do not want.

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k-man:

tweek__: i never solved what was causing the crashes – but i suspect the usb chipset on that mb was crap... since then that machine has died and i have switched to an HDHomerun for capture....

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tweek__:

there are some scripts on the wiki that query internet TV databases for information like that

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J-e-f-f-A:

tweek__: depends on what kind of USB tuner... the HD-PVR is pure beauty. ;-)

[21:36:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

although it's not really a 'tuner' but an external encoder... ;-)

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the_true_justice:

+wagnerrp i need to buy WinTV-HVR-1950 because i have usb encore enutv-2 and does not work on my linux os !!!

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k-man:

the_true_justice: i still don't understand why it has to be a USB device, can you not use a network or PCI tuner?

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tweek__:

probably has a notebook

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k-man:

he could still use an ethernet tuner.... if one exists for analogue

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the_true_justice:

k-man because i have notebook

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k-man:

the_true_justice: ah ok

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k-man:

where is the code for the telnet socket interface in mythfrontend?

[21:40:48]

[R]:

k-man: like the parser?

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tweek__:

schedulesdirect doesn't provide program info for digital 480p channels that are also broadcast in analog (this happens in WMC7 too)

[21:41:13]

tweek__:

is there a way to tell mythtv to use the analog channel programming data for the digital channels that they mirror?

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[R]:

tweek__: you can set the xmltvid manually in the channel editor

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wagnerrp:

k-man: mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/networkcontrol.cpp

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what kind of handling for innodb tables?

[21:42:27]

wagnerrp:

sphery: more of 'do i bother at all, or just enable autocommit and call it a day'

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tweek__:

thanks, I'll try setting those

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sphery:

well, with a default DB, only the mythweather stuff will be innodb--all the rest myisam

[21:43:27]

sphery:

is there a difference in how they're treated when accessing from python or something?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but this is twice now weve run into problems with JAMU not doing anything

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wagnerrp:

it goes through, makes all the necessary database updates

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wagnerrp:

and then terminates, rolling back all the transactional changes rather than committing them

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sphery:

so this is for users who manually changed the storage engine for those tables?

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wagnerrp:

supposedly

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how they would end up with innodb otherwise

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sphery:

I'd say enable autocommit

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wagnerrp:

where each 'execute' command automatically issues a commit

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sphery:

ttbomk, we don't do any commit/rollback in the C++ code, so I wonder if the Qt drivers handle non-committal differently.

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sphery:

yeah, if the python drivers or the DB is rolling back uncommitted changes for Python, then I guess autocommit would be the way to make it work like the rest

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sphery:

(unless, of course, these people have actually broken their DB's for even the C++/Qt code :)

[21:48:16]

wagnerrp:

heres the first time it showed up back in february... http://mythtv,org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /281958.html

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sphery:

heh, mythtv,org :)

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k-man:

wagnerrp: thanks for the pointe

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k-man:

r

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wagnerrp:

and it was someone who had intentional forced mysql over to innodb

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wagnerrp:

as you can tell, its a whopping one line

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sphery:

yeah, users have done that to "optimize" the DB

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sphery:

so now we're stuck working with it

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wagnerrp:

by making it... slower?

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sphery:

(another reason I need to get the embedded DB stuff going)

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wagnerrp:

i mean if youve not actually designed the program to operate transactionally, it does nothing but slow things down

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wagnerrp:

but users know best, eh?

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[R]:

the customer is always right!

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[R]:

:)

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sphery:

yep!

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wagnerrp:

no, the customer is wrong and an idoit

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wagnerrp:

groups of customers are always right

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wagnerrp:

but no one cares about the individual

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[R]:

lol

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: got another fun problem, every now and again the frontend locks up while I'm scanning for metadata, I killed it, and now I'm in a fun situation where the episodes it was trying to download metadata for, it refuses to download metadata for them anymore :(

[22:00:13]

Azelphur:

so no cover art, the description seems to be ok though

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wagnerrp:

probably because those files already exist, theyre just either empty or incomplete

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Azelphur:

I tried hitting reset metadata, shouldn't that delete the files?

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** wagnerrp hands that one off to iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

no, reset metadata does not delete the files

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Azelphur:

how would I go about purging that then?

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iamlindoro:

rm filename

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Azelphur:

iamlindoro: yea, but where are they stored?

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iamlindoro:

in the directories you set for them

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Azelphur:

I never set one, so it'll still be the default

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wagnerrp:

there is no default

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wagnerrp:

if one was set for you, your distro did so

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** Azelphur blames mythbuntu **

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Azelphur:

found it.

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tweek__:

wow you weren't kidding, the python bindings have actual documentation

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the_true_justice:

tnx for help +wagnerrp k-man tweek__ have a good night !!!

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tweek__:

I didn't do anything but suggest a non-USB card, but hope your TV works out

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den0ts_:

http://flowplayer.org/forum/5/42450

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den0ts_:

anyone know how to fix that?

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den0ts_:

im trying to get mythweb streaming to android 2.2 with flash

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nils_:

den0ts_: appears to be some authentication thing

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nils_:

den0ts_: the apache error log, digest is an authentication method

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nils_:

den0ts_: some browsers don't support that very well

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wagnerrp:

den0ts_: it all boils down to that being a feature request

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wagnerrp:

den0ts_: if you disable the apache login, does it work?

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sphery:

not to mention the fact that the MythWeb Flash streaming is an unsupported proof-of-concept that's disabled by default and can only be enabled on a page with a big red warning saying it's not expected to even work and take it as it is

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Pluribus:

Sigh, any know a relatively painless way to delete a whole of duplicate entries from mythvideo? (I suspect they got added when I doing the initial move to storage groups.) Scanning for changes does kill them.

[22:49:33]

Pluribus:

er whole mess of duplicate entries.

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sphery:

and does not kill them?

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Pluribus:

Nope, the dupe entries have different intid's but same hash

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sphery:

I'd recommend you remove all directories from your videos storage group and from your mythvideo directories list and then rescan

[22:51:01]

sphery:

then put the directories into one or the other (local dir list or storage groups), and rescan again

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sphery:

i.e. clear it out by removing all dirs with the files from mythvideo config

[22:51:31]

sphery:

then put dirs back and scan to actually find them

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Pluribus:

I assume it will kill all my metadata then? :-(

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

w

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sphery:

or jamu

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highzeth:

den0ts_: I do think mythdroid got something cooking for streaming in its latest 'trunk', not tried it myself, so cant say how well it works

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Pluribus:

That is what I was afraid of... Lots of videos that arent on tmdb :-( Guess I live with it for now and write an exporter for the metadata...

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highzeth:

den0ts_: http://mythdroid.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/mdd/mdd

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: is one entry populated and the other empty?

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Pluribus:

In some cases yes, but not most. Although it looks like one is usually better populated than the rest.

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Pluribus:

Most are pure duplicates except for the intid. (which causes them to show up twice)

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wagnerrp:

if you know a bit of python, you can pull all the entries into a list, sort by hash, and then pick which one to keep and delete the other

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wagnerrp:

could be done in <30 lines

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Pluribus:

Only worry is what other cruft will be left in the DB. The nuking the storage group will cause it to purge it all. (at least it SHOULD) which is really the better choice, I just cringe at redoing the metadata.

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sphery:

Pluribus: how about this totally crazy idea... add the other videos to TMDB (assuming they're not home videos or something)

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iamlindoro:

sacrilege!

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iamlindoro:

Information just wants to be free (for me, and provided by others!)

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sphery:

heh

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tweek__:

the next time someone tells me 'your information wants to be free', I think I'm going to rummage through their credit card statements and commit identity fraud

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Pluribus:

What would be cool is a script like jamu but in reverse :-) I think I will just save the videometadata table so i can see exactly what tmdb doesnt have.

[23:40:29]

wagnerrp:

Pluribus: push information back onto the data sites?

[23:40:52]

Pluribus:

If thier API permitted it, why not? (Granted most dont)

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wagnerrp:

batch updating like that is a bad idea

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tweek__:

just to clarify, these unique program IDs in the mythconverg database

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wagnerrp:

are completely arbitrary

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tweek__:

they can't be found in tmdb or imdb or zap2it or anything useful

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Beirdo:

mmmm, beer

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wagnerrp:

zap2it, yes... as they are the source of those unique program IDs

[23:42:48]

wagnerrp:

more specifically, tribune media services

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Pluribus:

I can see why an unattended batch upload would be bad, but why would it be bad to allow an interactive upload of data? (IE – the movie doesnt exist on the remote site, allow you to upload, Isnt that pretty much how the CDDB got built?

[23:45:11]

wagnerrp:

Pluribus: pushing new content to the sites through mythvideo would be great

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tweek__:

I thought cddb was an interface to a bunch of various CD information databases

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iamlindoro:

which presumes you wrote all the content you are pushing

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wagnerrp:

but you would have to be careful of just what data you sent, lest you overwrite something you shouldnt

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tweek__:

and that most of them (the one jaikoz uses especially) are filled with all sorts of junk

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wagnerrp:

and there is the legality issue too

[23:46:20]

wagnerrp:

for instance, you couldnt push your listings data onto TMDB/TTVDB

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wagnerrp:

you could, but it would put those sites at risk

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Beirdo:

beer... the cause of and solution to the problems of humanity

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Pluribus:

The listing data is a no brainer... we pay tribune for it effectively, I was mainly wondering about TMDB TTVDB would be harder due to the metadata pollution from the other sites the data is pulled from.

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: no, you pay for your personal use of that data

[23:48:35]

wagnerrp:

you do not pay for the right to republish that data

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Pluribus:

That is what I am saying...

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Pluribus:

We pay for the right to use it NOT publish it.

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tweek__:

what's to stop someone from looking data up on various other sources, or just making it up, and sending it

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wagnerrp:

the agreement you sign when you register an account to say you wont

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I heard a rumor (but haven't checked) that some people are starting to add TMS programid's and seriesid's to ttvdb. AIUI, the TMS series/program IDs are proprietary and copyrighted, so...

[23:50:04]

wagnerrp:

and hopefully, the rest of the community to clean up garbage and infractions

[23:50:19]

Beirdo:

and my trout....

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

Anyway, until I can find someone who knows more about the legal/ToS status of using those IDs outside of the TMS data, I'm afraid to look at ttvdb

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YeOldeBanneHamme:

better

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Beirdo:

heh

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Pluribus:

Yeah, the TV data is pretty rough. I stick with schedulesdirect. Works great for me.

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Pluribus:

LOL

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sphery:

and technically, we don't pay for listings

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sphery:

we pay SD for a membership and one of the free perks of membership is TV listings data

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wagnerrp:

i dont see anywhere to add that to either site, unless theyre repurposing the IMDB or production code

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sphery:

cool, I hope that's the case

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sphery:

(that it's not on the site/not being used outside of TMS listings)

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wagnerrp:

it would be great if we could use them, would make migrating recordings to mythvideo much easier

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

as well as supplementing TMS data with that from ttvdb/tmdb

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wagnerrp:

for recordings

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sphery:

might need a community-created unique id

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just what we need... more ids ;)

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sphery:

we could use NNTP to distribute them

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sphery:

maybe the cloud...

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Beirdo:

OMG, like anyone knows how to use nntp these days :)

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** wagnerrp last used the nntps back in '98 **

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Beirdo:

be nice if the mailing lists were nntp instead

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Beirdo:

tin FTW

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wagnerrp:

no, before that... i was still on dialup when i last used those

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Beirdo:

recompiling mythtv after the weekend's flurry

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275717#275717

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sphery:

that whole thread was fun

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sphery:

not quite "rewrote MythTV in Perl" fun, but still fun

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

!seen baylink

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MythLogBot:

baylink was last seen 198 days 6 hours 1 minute 27 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

that recent?

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ive EVER seen him around

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Beirdo:

I see him on twitter a lot

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

!trout Beirdo fail... whale...

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a fail... whale... trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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