Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, June 6th, 2010, 00:08 AST

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I need to apologize to my HDPVR. It appears it wasn't malfunctioning. It was the cable company.

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mcl0vin:

where can i find the channel editor

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lajoie:

Anyone know why I am getting Internal Server Error when trying to watch recordings through mythweb? Error in Apache Log:http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1877745

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kormoc:

lajoie, I know why. You didn't follow the docs setting up the mysql permissions

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Am I doing something wrong that current trunk's upcomign recording page doesn't show channel names any more?

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kormoc:

Hrm, they're working for me... Did you switch cache engines?

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iamlindoro:

I don't know what that is, so I bet not?

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iamlindoro:

:)

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah, let's see... at the latest revision? Are you getting them anywhere else (listings/details)?

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iamlindoro:

on upcoming and recorded, they show as "-"

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iamlindoro:

Also empty on schedules

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kormoc:

Settings -> MythWeb -> MythWeb Defaults -> cache_engine

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kormoc:

it should say Cache_Static?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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kormoc:

What php version?

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iamlindoro:

PHP 5.3.2–1ubuntu4.1 with Suhosin-Patch

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kormoc:

I wonder if it's the Suhosin stuff

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kormoc:

I'm kinda doing some wacky stuff so that php 5.2 works right

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iamlindoro:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

I am not php savvy so it's just the stock Ubuntu 10.04 stuff

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kormoc:

check your php.ini file (in /etc) for a line like extension=suhosin.so and comment it out and restart apache and give it a go?

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iamlindoro:

hmm, no string "suhosin" anywhere in my php files

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iamlindoro:

perhaps it's not dynamically loaded?

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah, that's likely what that means

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** kormoc ponders **

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iamlindoro:

and a loacte for suhosin returns nothing

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iamlindoro:

er locate

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iamlindoro:

It's definitely not the end of the world, it's perfectly usable without them

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iamlindoro:

and I don't care what channel things are on :)

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kormoc:

I'll install ubuntu in a vm and see if I can dupe

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kormoc:

Welp, to bed with this guy

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Beirdo:

night then

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haffe:

Hmmmm.

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haffe:

That can be interpreted in a number of ways :)

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Beirdo:

uhhh, yeah. getout of the gutter ;)

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Beirdo:

oh wow

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Beirdo:

50k scoville is decently hot

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Beirdo:

but I want hotter! :)

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jarle:

Is there a log for this channel?

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justinh:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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test4:

lil question pleasr, who should run mythbackend ? my user, or the user mythtv, or .. we don't care ?

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test4:

(local instal, 1 pc)

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Dassu:

mythtv

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iamlindoro:

test4, It does not matter-- any user who has permissions to use the video hardware, database, and storage can run MythTV

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test4:

ok.. but my question was about mythbackend process, because it doesn't run automatically when starting (ihere ..on my pc) so i had to run the process, but i m noy sure i can run it with my user test4 ..

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test4:

oh .. but i'm reading it's better to close the backend during setup .. so .. forget the question ..

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Dassu:

4

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iamlindoro:

test4, I am referring to front and backend processes

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iamlindoro:

There is no reason any user cannot run them, so long as they have sufficient permissions

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test4:

ok thanks :)

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peque:

Hey guys – I have 3HVR-4000 DVB-S/S2 + DVB-T tuners here in denmark – But having problems about scanning for DVB-T channels

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mellery1:

Hello, has anyone had mythfrontend issues on lucid lynx possibly after a recent update? I now get the following error when trying to start mythfrontend – mythfrontend.re[14062]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f37b1507710 sp 00007f378e9a62b0 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.6.2 [7f37b1254000+a50000]

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Cubber:

I have a mceusb based remote, I followed the instructions here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#MCE_Remote and I get output when I use ipw however it does not work in mythtv, the documentation does not state any mythtv specific configuration. Is it just supposed to work?

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Cubber:

oh wait missed this "You will also need to install an lircrc file"

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Cubber:

what does that file need to contain?

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iamlindoro:

There's an lircrc on that page...

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Cubber:

doh! thanks

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test4:

hello, please, 2 things : -1- considering that my box can send analogic format in output, i should be able to receive it with an analogic tuner like my BT 878 video pinacle pctv stud [bttv] ... am I right ?

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test4:

-2- the function of the irblaster is to change channels ? true ?

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zimdba:

I'm trying to load my capture module with "# modprobe cx88-dvb" However, I get the following in the dmesg output: cx88xx: Unknown symbol ir_codes_pixelview_table

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zimdba:

a whole series of those. Am I missing a library when building the cx88-dvb module?

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justinh:

nah the function of an ir blaster is to shoot birds out of the sky with beams of high powered infrared light

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AndyCap:

justinh: are you sure you built that thing right?

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iamlindoro:

Shouldn't have boosted the signal with uranium

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justinh:

shouldn't it go BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT... PEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW when you use irsend ?

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zimdba:

I downloaded the latest v4l-dvb, then did a make, make install

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** iamlindoro tries to decide what random thing to poke at today **

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test4:

with infrared ? damn .. amazing what the technology can do !

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test4:

k so it was a yes .. :)

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test4:

that's sad it takes me so much time to understand what u say (in english ..) because it's really funny :) , after understanding what IR means and what a blaster is ..

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test4:

anyway .. I don't give up . dang .. i had love to know why my card isn't receiving any signal of my box, if they r connected using svideo, and if the box is supposed to send 'something' analogic ....

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smithna:

Hi, anyone try and compile svn today? I am getting an error from videodlg.cpp — "videodlg.cpp:3931: error: ‘data’ was not declared in this scope"....

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iamlindoro:

smithna: videodlg.cpp:3931 is a blank line

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iamlindoro:

Did you make distclean/svn up/remove installed libraries and includes/install myth itself first?

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slickrick:

anyone have experience with nfs root? i am trying to upgrade my nfs root frontends and having some problems, wondering how to get additional debug information after initramfs is loaded.

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wagnerrp:

he could be referring to svn release-0-17-fixes

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iamlindoro:

smithna: What's more, in that function the variable "data" doesn't even exist any more, so it sounds like you have some broken/not up to date source

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smithna:

iamlindoro: Yes, I did

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iamlindoro:

smithna: Well you missed some part of the above, that's a promise ;)

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iamlindoro:

as the line you quote is blank

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iamlindoro:

and data no longer exists in that function

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smithna:

I checked the version I have in my svn folder — it was updated today.

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smithna:

I'll remove it and try again...

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iamlindoro:

smithna: Then your course is modified in some way and you need to undo any local changes

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iamlindoro:

er source

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wagnerrp:

svn status, svn diff, svn revert...

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, reproduced the bug FYI, I'll have a fix soon :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: The channel ID one?

[12:41:11]

iamlindoro:

cool

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kormoc:

Aye, it's actually just a php 5.3 issue rather then a security patch one

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iamlindoro:

ahh, cool

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iamlindoro:

Thanks for looking into it

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smithna:

iamlindoro: You're right, it's a blank line...

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iamlindoro:

shocking ;)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Heh, timely, #8536

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kormoc:

ha

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iamlindoro:

guy even removed his channels, yikes

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kormoc:

yow

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iamlindoro:

"I'm a power user! I can track trunk all I want and OH MY GOD SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING OH CRAP OH CRAP"

[12:49:31]

** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

so who's going to be the big 25k?

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iamlindoro:

I personally think trunk having the occasional breakage is great

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I am!

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kormoc:

%s/am/did/

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** wagnerrp throws a parade **

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iamlindoro:

CRAP

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iamlindoro:

I was so trying :)

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iamlindoro:

I got in 25001

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** iamlindoro sighs, sets his sights on 50000 **

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** kormoc laughs **

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iamlindoro:

the one time I don't have truckloads of pending patches...

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iamlindoro:

I had to write one just to get it committed and I still missed it

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haffe:

Arrrrgh.

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kormoc:

Just save up 25,000 patches!

[12:52:28]

haffe:

It's too hot to eat.

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kormoc:

haffe, add more hot sauce?

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haffe:

Would that help with the outside temperature+

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wagnerrp:

yes

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iamlindoro:

yes, comparatively speaking

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haffe:

Hehehhe.

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wagnerrp:

makes you sweat more, and the evaporation cools you down

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kormoc:

Yup

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haffe:

Hmmmm.

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haffe:

I rarely sweat.

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haffe:

Maybe thats the problem.

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kormoc:

Get hotter hot sauces

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wagnerrp:

thats because you dont eat enough hot sauce

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iamlindoro:

put on weight

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iamlindoro:

you'll be sweating like a hooker in church in no time

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haffe:

iamlindoro: Allready tried that.

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haffe:

I am not really inclined to gain the 150 pounds I managed to lose.

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highzeth:

gaining weight is hard

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kormoc:

highzeth, LIES!

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highzeth:

do tell

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, and I have such trouble with this ridiculously large penis

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kormoc:

Mmm... Bacon...

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highzeth:

check

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iamlindoro:

I already did, it's huge

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wagnerrp:

problems wearing shorts?

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iamlindoro:

problems wearing pants

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iamlindoro:

on multiple levels

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iamlindoro:

har har

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iamlindoro:

anyway

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highzeth:

oh well, loosing weight is easy peasy atleast

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iamlindoro:

So Amy Pond-- Hot companion, or hottest companion?

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wagnerrp:

you know, i keep hearing these ads on the radio telling me i need to improve my thickness AND wdth

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wagnerrp:

t be honest, i didnt know there was a difference between those two terms

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, maybe they mean skin thickness. Like... grow your own contraception

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kormoc:

highzeth, lies! Bacon calls in the night!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I fully ate a POUND of bacon last weekend

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kormoc:

Mmm... So tasty

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iamlindoro:

peppered bacon from my actual butcher nom nom

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highzeth:

nahh, its dead easy, empasize on dead. Try chemo

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: on the radio too? I'm so glad radio advertising hasn't sunk to the level of average spammers. :)

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kormoc:

highzeth, chemo?

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highzeth:

yeah, you'll loose weight in no time

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iamlindoro:

+therapy

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wagnerrp:

poison yourself with anti-cancer drugs to lose weight

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highzeth:

usually, you dont have much choice wagnerrp

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, well, thickness is just overall diameter, width is just one axis, think oval

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** smithna wonders how many caskets highzeth has carried — they are darn heavy **

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kormoc:

highzeth, erm... I think you need to write a book about this super easy diet you have discovered there

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AndyCap:

kormoc: the cancer diet? I'm sure it's going to be a killer.

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highzeth:

*golf clap*

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wagnerrp:

screw cancer, just get yourself a nice tapeworm

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highzeth:

refreshing to see people joke about cancer, usually its just the people who got it/been through it that dare to do such =)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: So should I close #8536?

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kormoc:

hey now, I'm joking about cancer drugs, thank-you-very-much

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, just did :)

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iamlindoro:

ah, cool

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wagnerrp:

i had a grandpa who went through it like four times

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wagnerrp:

it was finally the dementia that did him in

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iamlindoro:

We could totally get tickets under 400 with a little work

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iamlindoro:

Not bad down from 650-something a few months ago

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iamlindoro:

427 right now

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kormoc:

I want to get my skin done today and then back on some bug fixes

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iamlindoro:

Bah, close a ticket and some dbag opens another at exactly the same moment

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extasy:

My mythbackend refuses to start and in mythbackend.log I get this error 2010-06–06 17:51:16.500 mythbackend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [24836] www.mythtv.org

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extasy:

2010-06–06 17:51:16.562 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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extasy:

2010-06–06 17:51:16.612 Using configuration directory = /.mythtv

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extasy:

2010-06–06 17:51:16.662 Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME

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extasy:

2010-06–06 17:51:16.712 Failed to init MythContext, exiting. Any Idea what I can do?

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Beirdo:

!trout extasy pastebin

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** MythLogBot slaps extasy with a pastebin trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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sphery:

ummmm... "set the environment variable HOME"

[14:39:34]

extasy:

where and to what?

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sphery:

extasy: let me guess, you're using Mythbuntu, and your Mythbuntu is using upstart

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iamlindoro:

ding ding

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sphery:

if so, #mythbuntu and have them fix their broken configuration :)

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iamlindoro:

and moreover, the release packages, not autobuilds

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iamlindoro:

where one can only presume they have fixed that stuff

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Beirdo:

upstart--

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sphery:

well, the release packages wouldn't have told him HOME isn't set (we had a bug)

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sphery:

so he has a relatively recent 0.23-fixes

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extasy:

sphery, okej

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sphery:

but mythbuntu needs to fix it and somehow get upstart to set HOME to something reasonable

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extasy:

is there a quick fix to get my backend started?

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sphery:

we will refuse to run myth applications in an environment without a HOME set (because using /.mythtv is bad)

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sphery:

export HOME=/home/mythtv ; mythbackend -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -d

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sphery:

i.e. don't use the broken upstart stuff to start it

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sphery:

start it manually

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sphery:

(funny enough, I'm pretty sure that at least in trunk -d is broken and we daemonize even without -d)

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sphery:

maybe not...

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sphery:

I have to test it again

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iamlindoro:

not last I used it

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iamlindoro:

I had to run a backend a few weeks ago from the command line, pretty sure I didn't get a daemon

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sphery:

ah, ok

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sphery:

(so not last you didn't use it, you mean)

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

I've been away for too long, so I'm probably mis-remembering

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iamlindoro:

!salmon sphery semantics

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** MythLogBot connects with the head of sphery with a semantics salmon on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

Beirdo: so have you heard from our boy Jimmy nutron, lately?

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iamlindoro:

of course not

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sphery:

or did our highly-motivated guy to work on Perl bindings give up

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iamlindoro:

he's yet another of the 99 out of 100 people who say they are going to contribute and then spontaneously combust

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Beirdo:

sphery: haven't heard squat

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sphery:

:(

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Beirdo:

big surprise

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sphery:

well, on the bright side, I was thinking about embedded MySQL today...

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Beirdo:

ewww

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sphery:

With the design I have in mind, it would actually be easier to rewrite the bindings after the embedding--because all the direct SQL will be different

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sphery:

anyone who wants direct DB access will be SQL

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Beirdo:

should change the mythproto stuff to use google protobufs :)

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kormoc:

sphery, %s/SQL/SOL/?

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Beirdo:

that would nicely enforce its use

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sphery:

kormoc: heh, yeah, kind of a loose reference, there

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sphery:

Beirdo: the biggest issue I have now is the network protocol for transferring data--haven't any idea how to do it

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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extasy:

Thank you sphery it now works like it should!

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Beirdo:

yeah, that might prove a bit problematic with protobut

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Beirdo:

hehe

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extasy:

Should I take it up with the mythbuntu team that something is missing?

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Beirdo:

protobuf.

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sphery:

I was just musing on the idea of JSON or whatever... Maybe using MythXML as the primary data interface (assuming cdev gets his work in someday)

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Beirdo:

stupid fingers

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kormoc:

sphery, Beirdo, Drizzle uses protobuf as their replication on the wire data transmission, so I wouldn't see why we couldn't

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Beirdo:

oooh, nice

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Beirdo:

we'd at least have some example .proto files

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sphery:

extasy: I don't know upstart, but somehow the Mythbuntu guys need to make sure that mythbackend is executed in an environment with a proper HOME directory specified. I don't know if they would do that in their wrapper script (don't they still have a mythbackend and mythbackend.real?) or what, but it needs set somewhere.

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sphery:

Other option is setting it in the environment which upstart uses to start mythbackend (the script or the binary--whatever it's starting)

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** sphery googles protobuf **

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sphery:

and it takes me to google... strange and circular

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Beirdo:

I think it's high time for me to go make coffee

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sphery:

I don't know. Protobuf may work for Google, but we have a much more complex environment than Google.

[14:52:06]

Beirdo:

hahah

[14:52:19]

sphery:

(I'm channeling all the decision makers at the companies I do work for...)

[14:52:37]

Beirdo:

I'm contemplating using it for beirdobot too

[14:52:50]

sphery:

wonder if the license would work for us

[14:52:52]

Beirdo:

sphery: then they are really retarded if they think that

[14:53:30]

Beirdo:

yeah, I think so.

[14:53:30]

sphery:

yeah, far too many people who believe that building custom code works better than using some already-built framework "because we have such a complex problem/environment/data requirements/..."

[14:53:36]

Beirdo:

it's GPL-compatible

[14:53:58]

Beirdo:

oh, and Google's environment is just SO simplistic

[14:53:59]

Beirdo:

tards

[14:55:08]

Beirdo:

anywho... coffee

[14:55:16]

sphery:

yeah, that was the kicker--since Google is passing so much data so much...

[14:55:47]

Beirdo:

and has more servers than likely the rest of the companies in the USA combined

[14:56:02]

sphery:

so basically, we'd have protobuf libs in MythTV's distribution and just mention in the README/License info that MythTV is licensed under the GPL with the exception of libmythprotobuf, which is BSD?

[14:56:18]

sphery:

yeah, I've heard that Google has more servers than the rest of the Internet

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sphery:

http://gizmodo.com/5517041/googles-insane-num . . . s-visualized

[14:56:56]

Beirdo:

Yeah, licensing-wise, I think that would work. not sure the exact workding required

[14:57:04]

sphery:

cool

[14:57:29]

sphery:

if the PTB is ok with that, it sounds like a nice approach (and better than anything /I/ could invent :)

[14:57:36]

Beirdo:

but if you look at the GPL-compatible license list, pretty sure that the modified BSD licence is good

[14:57:46]

sphery:

cool

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kormoc:

It is which is why google uses it

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Beirdo:

yup :)

[14:59:01]

sphery:

I heard they just changed the WebM license to standard BSD because of such concerns

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sphery:

so, reading the quick example for protobuf, it looks really nice

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ugliefrog:

is therer away to reset the frontend window...i made it to small now i cant get back to the apperance to change the size

[15:00:36]

kormoc:

sphery, yeah, it's like a typed json, which is really nice imho

[15:01:10]

sphery:

ugliefrog: mythfrontend -geometry 1280x720

[15:01:21]

sphery:

ugliefrog: unless "it" is not actually the windo (but a font or ...)

[15:01:38]

ugliefrog:

sphery, ill give it a try thank you

[15:01:44]

sphery:

just restart it with the -geometry

[15:02:11]

sphery:

and how many kids ask their math instructors, "What good will geometry do me in the real world?"

[15:02:35]

iamlindoro:

Stop being such a square

[15:02:43]

iamlindoro:

sphere-y

[15:02:48]

sphery:

heh

[15:03:28]

sphery:

It's hip to be square.

[15:03:42]

sphery:

(I just heard some Huey Lewis and the News earlier today)

[15:03:54]

ugliefrog:

sphery, ty...that did the trick :)

[15:04:01]

sphery:

excellent

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sphery:

enjoy

[15:04:05]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Wow, where do you have your time machine hidden?

[15:04:19]

sphery:

I think it was one of those LOST things--it was on the radio

[15:04:24]

iamlindoro:

Can I get a ride in your Delorean?

[15:04:25]

sphery:

but from when?

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Beirdo:

I kinda miss the 80s

[15:05:21]

sphery:

yeah, me too

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sphery:

iamlindoro wasn't old enough to remember them, though :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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** iamlindoro was born in the 70s, suck it **

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iamlindoro:

I just *act* like a child

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Beirdo:

hehe, don't we all...

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[R]:

iamlindoro: you're old :P

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Beirdo:

I was born in the early 70s

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Beirdo:

so...

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sphery:

early for me, too

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[R]:

so are you!

[15:07:13]

sphery:

I think I'm very close to the same age as Beirdo

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Beirdo:

sounds like

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought BSD was one of those use-it-however-the-f---you-please licenses

[15:07:58]

sphery:

yeah, I just don't know how to mix it into a GPL project

[15:08:05]

sphery:

I've only mixed GPL + GPL

[15:08:10]

** iamlindoro wonders if any of the users actually read the mythtv.org announcements **

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: other than the advertising part... but that's not in the modified one protobufs has

[15:08:12]

wagnerrp:

meaning you take it, and relicense it GPL

[15:08:23]

sphery:

ohhh

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crgky127:

whats the worse that could happen if i try to install the frontend from a lucid repo on a hardy machine?

[15:08:59]

sphery:

well, I don't care how we do it, but protobuf seems it might be a great way to get what we need

[15:09:02]

wagnerrp:

the universe implodes

[15:09:10]

Beirdo:

hmm, not sure that that's completely kosher, wagnerrp but... something along the lines

[15:09:18]

iamlindoro:

Bet the #mythbuntu guys would know much better than us

[15:09:31]

Beirdo:

hardy!?

[15:09:31]

sphery:

I know they would know better than me

[15:09:33]

Beirdo:

OMG

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[R]:

iamlindoro: stuff on mythtv.org should be posted to the ml too

[15:09:45]

sphery:

I didn't know the hardy boys were still around

[15:09:45]

Beirdo:

I doubt you CAN run it

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you darn kids

[15:10:05]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i remember the BSD guys bitching because some linux devs did effectively that for some wireless drivers

[15:10:09]

Beirdo:

libc is way older on hardy... but yeah #mythbuntu would know better

[15:10:14]

wagnerrp:

and due to the terms of the license, there wasnt a thing they could do about it

[15:10:22]

crgky127:

thanks Beirdo ill ask em

[15:11:47]

Beirdo:

for the licensing part, I'd want to confer with people who know better than I

[15:11:50]

Beirdo:

:)

[15:13:20]

sphery:

+1 on the smart people consult

[15:13:36]

Beirdo:

for beirdobot, I'm not too worried

[15:13:48]

Beirdo:

but mythtv's different :)

[15:14:09]

sphery:

yes, the last thing we need are licensing problems

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Beirdo:

now what I'm trying to determine is how to make a protobuf definition with like: message type and the equivalent of a C union of payloads

[15:18:22]

Beirdo:

I think I can do it with nested types and making the payloads optional... but require more research

[15:21:26]

** wagnerrp suspects hell need to start reading up on protobuf as well **

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Beirdo:

heh, you should be good in python though :)

[15:22:05]

Beirdo:

google is python-friendly

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kormoc:

[25006] is http://www.flickr.com/photos/kormoc/4670641717/sizes/l/ for those of you tracking -trunk

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im sure its little more than 'import protobuf'

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Nice!

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wagnerrp:

the problem is all these nice little data structures ive built around managing the database

[15:22:52]

kormoc:

I tested it in chrome and firefox, other browsers might show rendering glitches, so let me know if you find any

[15:23:02]

Beirdo:

kormoc: definitely looks nice

[15:23:35]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, defining the .proto files will be the fun part (as always)

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Beirdo:

but it would require all 3rd party abusers to really use the protocol :)

[15:23:56]

Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the .proto files will compile into c++, c and python code, so the c++ devs will write your data structures for you

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wagnerrp:

ooh

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: http://www.clearblueeasy.com/ You guys even have the same color scheme! ;)

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kormoc:

heh

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Beirdo:

we'd have to be sure that the PHP and Perl protobuf support works, though :)

[15:26:20]

wagnerrp:

bah, screw them... :)

[15:26:33]

Beirdo:

ummm

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Beirdo:

them includes mythweb :)

[15:26:45]

Beirdo:

so...

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wagnerrp:

dont make me get the snake

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I like the recorded program page *very* much

[15:27:08]

wagnerrp:

Snakes on a Beirdo

[15:27:14]

iamlindoro:

The little masked images and channel icons in bubbles are niiice

[15:27:45]

kormoc:

:)

[15:27:49]

iamlindoro:

wonder if the highlight of the preview image could be more shapely...

[15:28:18]

iamlindoro:

Heh, recorded detail screen is a little unhappy in Chrome

[15:28:30]

sphery:

kormoc: very pretty

[15:28:47]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, ooh? in what way?

[15:28:55]

kormoc:

sphery, thanks :)

[15:29:07]

iamlindoro:

single column straight down the page, the recording options overrun the blue bubble off the right

[15:29:15]

kormoc:

Hrm

[15:29:24]

kormoc:

What chrome version/platform?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think you'll be ok--the new approach will be more like what you're doing than what the C++ is doing. Only difference is you'll have to remove the SQL and use other ways of getting/changing data.

[15:29:35]

kormoc:

I might be using something that only works in the beta builds

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iamlindoro:

5.0.375.55, OS X

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but the other ways will likely map very closely to what you have

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kormoc:

I'm on the same and it's looking fine here, hrm

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ill also have to figure out a way to grab and compile those .proto files from within the main source tree

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, screen shot?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yup, shouldn't be hard though

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wagnerrp:

obviously youve never had to deal with the obfuscated mess that is py-distutils

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

if you want to do basic stuff, it works great

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wagnerrp:

if you want to do something more complicated, outside the original purview of the module, there be dragons here

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: http://www.fecitfacta.com/clearblueeasy.png

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, well, the backend folks will compile the .proto files into python for you, you'd just import them and use the ones shipped, no?

[15:32:58]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i figured i would compile them at install time

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wagnerrp:

or build time rather, when python goes through and byte-codes everything

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, ahh, I see

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, can you press+hold shift and hit the refresh button and see if that fixes it?

[15:36:37]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: does not

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kormoc:

ahh, found it

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kormoc:

svn up

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kormoc:

forgot that div was added after my last layout commit

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iamlindoro:

it seems happier-- the details go right, recording options left, yeah? Flash player at bottom?

[15:37:56]

kormoc:

yeah, that page is a mess and that's the best I can do right now

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iamlindoro:

cool

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kormoc:

once it stops recording the flash player moves up and is inline with the details

[15:38:21]

kormoc:

I figured so few people use the flash player while it's recording that it won't be too much of an issue

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iamlindoro:

ah, yeah, I like that

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Beirdo:

I guess I'll have to get over my irrational hate for Flash :)

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kormoc:

(the details page took longer then skinning everything else)

[15:39:53]

kormoc:

%s/longer then skinning/longer to skin then/

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kormoc:

But yeah, and suggestions on improvements are welcome as would getting better genre colors, as I only lightened up the few that were horrible

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iamlindoro:

what was previously purple became brown, that's the only one that jumps out at me as disliked

[15:41:25]

iamlindoro:

especially as my favorite shows tend to have been the purple ones :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

What category was purple before?

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iamlindoro:

Also appears the tuner label is not being used

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kormoc:

which page?

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kormoc:

I might have display:none them awhile ago, this skin has been kicking around for awhile

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iamlindoro:

I take it back, purple because another color

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iamlindoro:

purple became lavender

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iamlindoro:

Brown became either darker brown or it's just more jarring in the pastels

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kormoc:

nothing got darker

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iamlindoro:

"The Good Guys" is the upcoming recording that shows it, so maybe comedy?

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kormoc:

comedy is blue

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iamlindoro:

btw, upcoming recordings is the page I meant

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kormoc:

if you open up the details page on it, it should give you the category listed

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iamlindoro:

no labels on upcoming, just color green

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kormoc:

ooh, heh

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iamlindoro:

Action

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kormoc:

yeah, that turned brownish

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kormoc:

actually, that stayed exactly the same

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kormoc:

What about the second one from the left on the first row on http://www.colorhunter.com/tag/pastel/1 ?

[15:46:36]

kormoc:

or the last row even

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iamlindoro:

I like the last one in the first row, or the one you picked

[15:47:30]

kormoc:

last one it is :)

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iamlindoro:

neat site

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iamlindoro:

very neat site, actually

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kormoc:

Yeah, I use it a fair bit

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wagnerrp:

you give it a picture and it returns a color palette to use?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, svn up, should have tuner names back

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iamlindoro:

Sometimes it's hard to pick a color palette for a theme, being able to give it a piece of art and show you good color choices is neato

[15:49:49]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

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Beirdo:

sounds like a great tool for the themers

[15:49:58]

iamlindoro:

sure do, thanks

[15:53:20]

iamlindoro:

In fact, I was thinking of using the color palette from Van Gogh's Starry Night as the basis for a theme (ie, a little more yellow and richer blues, less black than Arclight) and this is a neat way to get suggestions

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Beirdo:

oooh, that sounds cool

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iamlindoro:

Ooh, I picked a good colo, action looks nice now :)

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sphery:

you're hosting your MythWeb at a co-location hosting provider?

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wagnerrp:

using nginx!

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

wow, kormoc is actually going through and doing all the task/enhancement tickets he created specifically because some user asked "What can I do to help?" just before disappearing.

[15:59:04]

sphery:

Guess he didn't think kormoc would actually give him a list of choices

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

Yeah, I figured he'd disappear but wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt

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wagnerrp:

that'll teach you

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sphery:

btw, kormoc, why are you still doing new PHP code for MythWeb? Aren't you in the process of converting it to Python, like you were told to?

[16:01:41]

kormoc:

ooh, for sure, but until that masterpiece is done, I'll appease those silly php users

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

oh sweet, clean blue doesn't look too bad in ir

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kormoc:

*ie

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dustybin:

can mythweb be hosted on a remote server?

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wagnerrp:

no, not really

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wagnerrp:

you would need to provide it sql and proto access

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wagnerrp:

which have never been recommended over the internet

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

im going to take some pictures of my new boxes

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slickrick:

does anyone know if nvidia has a video card with hdmi out AND audio similar to the ATI radeon hd cards.

[16:23:46]

slickrick:

i have been waiting for one to upgrade one of my mythfrontends to straight hdmi.

[16:24:02]

wagnerrp:

all of the GT series with HDMI do

[16:24:22]

slickrick:

hdmi or do they have audio on board or passthrough audio?

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wagnerrp:

onboard i believe

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slickrick:

so far all the ones i saw had passthru. ie 9600GT says "audio input for hdmi: spdif"

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wagnerrp:

right, the previous units only had a digital header for passthrough, i believe the GT series have onboard audio

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kormoc:

slickrick, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Analog_Sound_DVI_to_HDMI

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wagnerrp:

not what hes asking

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kormoc:

meh, it talks about what nvidia cards support at the top

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kormoc:

we don't have a good page for it all in one do we?

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slickrick:

i see this card and it says "audio input for hdmi: internal" http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-465-us.html

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slickrick:

massive tho for my little frontend.

[16:28:02]

wagnerrp:

you dont want a 465

[16:28:02]

slickrick:

i guess they do exist.

[16:28:06]

wagnerrp:

massive overkill

[16:28:10]

slickrick:

yeah tell me about it.

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haffe:

Hmmmm.

[16:28:17]

wagnerrp:

a 210/220 should do fine

[16:28:30]

haffe:

For some reason I feel an urge to dig out my old NES.

[16:28:40]

slickrick:

ah!

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Pluribus:

slickrick: Look at the GT-220 I run it with HDMI audio currently

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slickrick:

thanks wagnerp. looks like the 220 has it.

[16:28:51]

slickrick:

sweet.

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slickrick:

Pluribus: hows it working for you?

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Pluribus:

I only do stereo at the moment, but it works well. You MAY need to upgrade your alsa drivers if it doesnt work (Fedora 12 still doesnt ship new enough so I have to patch every kernel update, but otherwise it works great)

[16:31:04]

Pluribus:

It is nice to have only one cable from my FE to the TV :-)

[16:31:38]

slickrick:

yeah, thats what I am thinking.

[16:31:46]

slickrick:

I may give one of these a go.

[16:32:01]

Pluribus:

They are fairly cheap and you can get them fanless.

[16:32:44]

slickrick:

will it support vdpau?

[16:33:02]

Pluribus:

FYI: If you need to upgrade the ALSA drivers, it is fairly painless from the ALSA website.

[16:33:22]

slickrick:

what version of kernel are you running in fedora 12?

[16:33:28]

Pluribus:

Yup, VDPAU is the reason I chose that card.

[16:33:32]

slickrick:

(i don't use fedora)

[16:33:43]

slickrick:

sweet ... I found a nice fanless one. looks like this is it.

[16:33:47]

Pluribus:

2.6.32.12–115.fc12.i686

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justinh:

pfft. that junk they called The Virtual Revolution won a BAFTA. Meh

[16:34:42]

slickrick:

i use ubuntu, 10.04 at the moment. kernel is 2.6.32–22. i'll probably need to upgrade alsa as you suggest.

[16:36:47]

Pluribus:

Get the video working happy first. Remember VDPAU requires the nvidia binary driver, not the nenew one.

[16:37:02]

wagnerrp:

nouveau

[16:37:06]

Pluribus:

er neuveuo (spelling one)

[16:37:12]

Pluribus:

Thanks wagnerrp :-)

[16:37:28]

slickrick:

Pluribus: yeah, i figured that out a while ago when i was trying to compile nplayer from source with vdpau support.

[16:37:41]

slickrick:

i only use the binary driver right from nvidia now.

[16:38:01]

Pluribus:

Cool, just making sure.

[16:38:14]

dustybin:

this is my frontend box:

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dustybin:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5505251/frontend.jpg

[16:38:43]

dustybin:

this is my new backend / server:

[16:38:45]

dustybin:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5505251/backend.jpg

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slickrick:

Pluribus: thanks for recommend, gonna pick one of these up and give it a shot. i want to go hdmi from one particular frontend to my receiver and then from there to my display.

[16:39:52]

Pluribus:

I REALLY need to get away from stereo someday... maybe convince the wife for our anniversery :-)

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slickrick:

Pluribus: the only way to get WAF on that one is to make sure you do all the wiring in wall.... otherwise wires on the floor are a no go. =]

[16:41:27]

sphery:

wagnerrp: didn't you and Captain_Murdoch just fix this or some similar issue with the events stuff: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3720#comment:15

[16:41:36]

sphery:

i.e. is the user using an old rev?

[16:41:49]

Pluribus:

Agreed, my family room though has a drop ceiling so it will make life easier.

[16:42:10]

slickrick:

Pluribus: then you have no excuse!

[16:42:54]

Pluribus:

LOL, except that I just spent $700 fixing the backend after a power spike killed my UPS, the server power supply and one of my tuners :-(

[16:43:16]

Pluribus:

Wife was NOT amused.

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Pluribus:

Did I say that I now hate my local power company.

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slickrick:

surprised your ups didn't protect your great. ... i'd contact the manufacturer, they usually have equipment replacement warranties for that sort of thing.

[16:45:05]

slickrick:

er, great=gear

[16:45:22]

Pluribus:

One the upside, I now have two 1500 VA UPS, to replace the one 2200 VA, a brand new power supply and a HD PVR-121 :-)

[16:45:27]

Pluribus:

er 1212

[16:46:17]

Pluribus:

The UPS was an ANCIENT 2200 that the company that founded "American Power Conversions" BEFORE the rename to APC.

[16:46:24]

wagnerrp:

sphery: dont recall having to deal with that recently

[16:47:17]

slickrick:

Pluribus: i checked those out, how do you like the 1212? are you recording via component from an stb?

[16:47:30]

wagnerrp:

s/1212//

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[R]:

slickrick: thats kinda the point of the hdpvr...

[16:48:57]

Pluribus:

So far so good. Hardest part was stripping down the lineup. It works identically to any other tuner card you would have hooked to a cable box.

[16:49:41]

slickrick:

Pluribus: i considered it, but went ATSC instead. there are only a couple of channels i wish i had that i can't get via atsc.

[16:49:57]

Pluribus:

I have used it to also pull from the compisite inputs in front to move a few VHS tapes as well... Not TOO bad considering the source material

[16:50:51]

Pluribus:

My Kids and wife watch a lot of discovery HD... which isnt on clear QAM here.

[16:51:21]

slickrick:

you must not be in canada, nothing here is clear QAM here. =(

[16:51:36]

slickrick:

except music stations that'll make you ears bleed.

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Pluribus:

I get like 12 channels in clear QAM here. (Outside Chicago, Illinois here)

[16:52:05]

slickrick:

i might get one to compliment my other tuners so i can get the few channels i am missing from atsc.

[16:53:03]

slickrick:

that's nice, i would have not bothered with atsc at all if i had that. having said that my atsc does work well, but took a lot of work to get it just right.

[16:54:38]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ok, thanks

[16:55:39]

Pluribus:

I live in a bit of a valley, I need to raise my antenna about 15 feet and get a directional antenna rather than my omni if I want to pull video OTA :-( I am in a digital wilderness since we went all digital OTA

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slickrick:

Pluribus: doesn't sound like you need atsc tho?

[16:57:24]

haffe:

Pluribus: I saw a clever antenna hack once.

[16:57:32]

haffe:

An omni hidden in a flagpole.

[16:57:33]

Pluribus:

Nope, for myself I would rather not pay comca$t if I could have avoided it.

[16:57:38]

slickrick:

in canada, all stations are encrypted. the crtc really doesn't do much but absorb tax payer money for no reason. even local channels are encrypted. quite annoying. so i canceled my cable out of spite. =)

[16:57:57]

Pluribus:

ouch

[16:58:28]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i would probably have a better idea WTF was going on had the user pasted it in properly

[16:58:32]

slickrick:

i am in toronto and can see the CN tower from my house, so i just point one antenna at that which is connected to an HDHR and another antenna is pointed to grand island NY and to another HDHR. and bob's your uncle.

[16:59:37]

Beirdo:

slickrick: can you see Buffalo HD?

[16:59:50]

Beirdo:

I know I could from Harbourfront when I lived in TO

[16:59:55]

Pluribus:

It is good that you have a good Line of Sight to both.

[16:59:58]

slickrick:

Beirdo: yeah! i get all buffalo channels except WGRZ.

[17:00:04]

Beirdo:

nice :)

[17:00:11]

slickrick:

but a local channel plays everything WGRZ does.

[17:00:27]

slickrick:

using an antennas direct DB8.

[17:00:38]

Beirdo:

I kinda miss Global and CTV and CBC

[17:00:42]

Beirdo:

how lame is that?

[17:00:42]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah. basically, looks like: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/hPdGiVJq (but that's the e-mail-broken lines)

[17:00:47]

slickrick:

beirdo: where are you located?

[17:00:52]

Beirdo:

Seattle now

[17:01:51]

Beirdo:

now tell me... on Ice Road Truckers, why do they blur out the phone numbers of the trucking companies?

[17:01:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: though looking more closely, that doesn't seem to even be related to the events

[17:02:01]

Beirdo:

you can find them on the Internet so easily

[17:02:06]

sphery:

seems it's just normal remotefile stuff...

[17:02:20]

sphery:

not system events, that is

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slickrick:

Beirdo: Canadian TV is strange like that ... they blur out everything, store names, phone numbers, tshirts with prints on them due royalities.

[17:03:05]

sphery:

Beirdo: I always wonder why some networks blur out the logos of products that paid for product-placement spots in movies

[17:03:11]

wagnerrp:

any idea whats after the '...'?

[17:03:32]

sphery:

no idea... that's all it says in what he posted

[17:03:43]

wagnerrp:

because UPDATE_FILE_SIZE gets spammed for the first few tens of seconds of a new recording

[17:03:44]

sphery:

I'm guessing the logging just truncs at a certain point

[17:03:54]

slickrick:

Beirdo: ever watch Trailer Park Boys? They go to the liquor store (LCBO), Tim Hortons and

[17:03:59]

Beirdo:

well, they aren't blurring the company names

[17:04:04]

wagnerrp:

and the fact that he has all those scheduler reruns seems to indicate he just had a number of recordings trigger off

[17:04:04]

slickrick:

swiss chalet all the time ... but blur out the signs.

[17:04:05]

Beirdo:

slickrick: yeah.

[17:04:10]

sphery:

wagnerrp: so that's probably normal?

[17:04:13]

wagnerrp:

which would make that traffic all normal traffic

[17:04:15]

Beirdo:

I really miss Trailer Park Boys too

[17:04:16]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:04:24]

slickrick:

yeah it was great, :-p

[17:04:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp: not a big deal since the ticket is closed, anyway

[17:04:36]

Beirdo:

actually, their movie is sitting in the DVD player right now (netflix)

[17:04:51]

wagnerrp:

and hes only seeing a crapflood because hes running '-v socket' or '-v backend' or something

[17:05:31]

wagnerrp:

its all the same chanid/starttime though

[17:05:41]

wagnerrp:

and that does seem a bit excessive for a single recording

[17:06:32]

wagnerrp:

sphery: that may have been the discussion you recall... me implementing the UPDATE_FILE_SIZE events into the bindings for file transfers

[17:08:37]

Beirdo:

hah, the trucks say Anchorage, AK and Seattle, WA on em

[17:09:13]

kormoc:

Beirdo, Ice Road Truckers?

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Beirdo:

yup

[17:09:52]

kormoc:

Beirdo, the new season is in Alaska, so would make sense

[17:09:59]

Beirdo:

on History HD right now...

[17:10:14]

Beirdo:

yeah, yesterday they had the runs in Canada

[17:10:24]

Beirdo:

today's a bit further west

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Beirdo:

they are all friggin insane (many of the same drivers too)

[17:12:09]

Beirdo:

so glad that's not my job

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jarle:

Any reason why I would see "EITScanner (7): EIT scan ignoring sourceid" in the log even when I have have enabled active eit scan for my sources?

[17:13:47]

jarle:

I have two cards sharing two sources, and one of thw two cards are set to active scan...

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test4:

finally i am receiving the analogic output of my box on my analogic tv card (pinnacle bttv / V4L) but image is black and white ... any idea someone ? bad driver or what ?

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: comcast still suckin, eh?

[17:24:00]

dustybin:

can myth music stream music from the backend, rather than me mounting nfs volumes?

[17:25:41]

cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anybody understand the effects of composite extension well?

[17:26:24]

Beirdo:

gah, I gotta stop rubbing my eyes after using cayenne pepper

[17:27:14]

Beirdo:

50k scoville + eyes = bad combo

[17:27:47]

test4:

... may be if I let my mythtv open for 10 or 20 min then colour will appear, like with my grandparents' tv ...

[17:28:08]

cleith:

I have a wierd prob. If I disable composite, playback is the smoothest, but then some of the OSD widgets don't work well on top of say the program guide (look corrupted). Anyone know what is going on?

[17:28:57]

cleith:

I use mythbuntu-wide and have the same prob with any OSD theme.

[17:29:54]

test4:

... I still can watch B&W movies

[17:30:14]

cleith:

Without composite OSD popups look fine on video (maybe anything that is refreshing?). Any ideas?

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test4:

... the test match of the all black of newzealand .. heckle and jeckle ...

[17:31:30]

test4:

rusty james ..

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test4:

a chess game ...

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test4:

sic .. i want colours :s

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Beirdo:

test4: how is the TV connected to the mythbox?

[17:35:33]

test4:

svideo

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Beirdo:

thought so

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Beirdo:

and the svideo connection to your video card?

[17:35:57]

Beirdo:

via an adapter?

[17:36:26]

Beirdo:

basically, it sounds like you are getting only half the svideo signal... luma and not the chroma

[17:36:33]

test4:

igot my box connected wia peritel to an adaptator svideo,

[17:36:43]

test4:

svideo cable

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Beirdo:

well, something's borked in the video setup, by the sounds of it

[17:37:02]

test4:

connected to my tv card pinnacle with svideo port

[17:37:32]

Beirdo:

could be a bad svideo cable, a crappy adapter, etc

[17:37:44]

test4:

secam ?

[17:37:57]

Beirdo:

does ANYTHING from the PC come through in color?

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test4:

cable and adaptator are new

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Beirdo:

well, it's not workin

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test4:

bought them together ..

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Beirdo:

so?

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test4:

:s

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test4:

could it b because box send secam and tv card receive nstc , or pal ?

[17:39:47]

Beirdo:

sounds like no chroma... the adaptors are often crappy, especially the composite-svideo...

[17:39:56]

Beirdo:

no idea for secam

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Beirdo:

that's why I ask...

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Beirdo:

does anything from the PC come through in color?

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test4:

sorry but i need a dictionnary (i dont understand come 'through'

[17:41:07]

Beirdo:

do you get any color at all from the PC

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Beirdo:

or is it only the video playback that's B&W?

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test4:

oo I see

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test4:

only tv is B&W

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

then it's probably on the capture side of things

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test4:

i havnt tried to watch other videos with myth yet .. got to try, u right

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Beirdo:

if you are using secam, I assume that you are in France?

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test4:

yes

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Beirdo:

OK, make sure your capture card is configured for PAL

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Beirdo:

or SECAM if it lets ya

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test4:

u might know a french user that can help me ?

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Beirdo:

NTSC will certainly not work

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Beirdo:

not off hand, but I'm sure there are some around

[17:43:45]

Beirdo:

NTSC is mainly used in USA/Canada/Japan/Brazil

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Beirdo:

and other places in North/South America

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Beirdo:

as far as I know, and the rest of the world essentally uses PAL

[17:44:34]

Beirdo:

and SECAM is PAL-related if I recall correctly

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, Yep

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Beirdo:

capturing PAL content in NTSC could well manifest itself as B&W recordings

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justinh:

you can capture composite/s-video SECAM with a PAL device

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Beirdo:

thought so. SECAM's mainly a cabling protocol, kinda, right?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, I'm sorry, my yep was for Comcast sucking :)

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iamlindoro:

(I'm trying to get caught up with everyone)

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Beirdo:

heh. no problem

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test4:

in fact, i was receiving tv chnel without any problem before, when i had cable, and when i was using television port / but now with that box, it's harder, got to pass through peritel, svideo adptator and cable >>lost colour

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test4:

(and i got the same problem with xawtv

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Beirdo:

check if you are doing NTSC?

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justinh:

ahh

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Beirdo:

hmm, need more coffee

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justinh:

svideo adapter is likely where you're losing colour

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justinh:

why not just grab the svideo if your tv card has an svideo input?

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's my first suspicion too, but can't hurt to check NTSC vs PAL for the capture

[17:51:50]

justinh:

svideo doesn't suck as much as composite

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Beirdo:

just close to it sometimes

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test4:

okay ..thanks all for help, got to check that all (pal/ntsc/secam ; adaptator ; config of capture card, output of my cable ...)

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Beirdo:

good luck

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test4:

justinh: i dont get u when u say "grab the svideo"

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test4:

ty Beirdo

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drindt:

seems that myth not process my queue what is containing a lot of commercial flag tasks, what can i do?

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test4:

if i understood well, justinh u want me to use the svideo port of my tv card, that is what i am doing, but i use the adaptator to cnnect the svideo cable to my bow, which only have peritel

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test4:

(man .. i shouda listened more my english teatcher ...)

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wagnerrp:

hes saying the svideo adapter is causing the loss

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test4:

ok.. i gona check with a camera or someting :)

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test4:

tyall & bye

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drindt:

seems that myth not process my queue what is containing a lot of commercial flag tasks, what can i do?

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cleith:

Hi

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cleith:

Anybody know why OSD popups would cause corruption on the program guide when composite off?

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cleith:

No takers, eh?

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cleith:

I'll try again later. Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

or you could stick around for more than three minutes and give someone a chance to answer....

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bjd:

we're clearly failing if we can't type quickly enough

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

rapid fire solutions only

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sphery:

funny part is he waited 12min to even ask the question and only 3 min for the answer

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bjd:

heh

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bjd:

you know what!

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bjd:

one of our bots should graph these timings!

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wagnerrp:

there is no easter bunny? over there, thats just a guy in a suit?

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drindt:

seems that myth not process my queue what is containing a lot of commercial flag tasks, what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

is the backend running?

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sphery:

drindt: likely you have one of 2 problems... either a hung mythcommflag job or a broken DB. First, run optimize_mythdb.pl , then see if there are any (especially-long-)running mythcommflag jobs and, if so, kill them all while mythbackend is running.

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sphery:

kill them all, let mythbackend sort them out

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wagnerrp:

sphery: why do all of your solutions result in murder?

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sphery:

heh, I'm a very violent man

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drindt:

sphery: "ps axw|grep mythcommflag" gives no output, optimize_,,, seems is not a part of the binary fedora distribution

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drindt:

wagnerrp: good that this is a chat only

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bjd:

i dunno, he'll only write SoIP

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bjd:

Stab over IP

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sphery:

drindt: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Period . . . the_Database

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drindt:

sphery: find -name "optimize_mythdb.pl" brings also no output, can you point me to the svn link?

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/25013/branc . . . ze_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

you can also go into mythweb and hit the repair button in setup/DB stuff

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drindt:

sphery: the tables are all ok, and was ok before repairing it and the jobs still queued

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sphery:

then something is stuck

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sphery:

if you have no running mythcommflag jobs (or mythtranscode jobs or user jobs), then it's likely that your backend is messed up and you should reboot

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sphery:

note that a stuck mythtranscode will stop the job queue, too, since usually you only allow one job per host

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sphery:

same thing with broken user jobs

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sphery:

so basically, figure out if it's running any jobs, and if so, kill them while the backend is running

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sphery:

else, reboot

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drindt:

sphery: the problem is become from playing around with "commercial detection during recordings" (or similar wording) because i have to much cpu load during the record and cant watch recordings because of that. and now the commflag jobs are queued the max job was alsways 1

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drindt:

the machine was also rebooted some hours ago

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drindt:

i thougt they should look into the queue (after reboot) and process it

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sphery:

well, unless you set hours during which the job queue is allowed to operate or disabled running commflag jobs on the host or whatever, it should be running them

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sphery:

so look at thost settings for one that you set to disable jobs

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sphery:

or disable them during now

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drindt:

sphery: iam running all on the same host

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drindt:

sphery: sorry but iam not understand what i should do now

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sphery:

basically all I can suggest is that you carefully look at the job queue settings in mythtv-setup to see if you've disabled mythcommflag or all jobs on the host

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wagnerrp:

check the allowed run times as well

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drindt:

i havent changed one of them the values should all be the default from 0.22

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drindt:

'll check it now...

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drindt:

job queue start and end time was both set to 0:00 i guess thats the reason

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drindt:

i have really no idea how that is come... so thank you guys for your help.

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wagnerrp:

default should be 23:59

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drindt:

wagnerrp: yes that was i had in my mind... and it was, but i dunno how that comes...

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drindt:

thank you very much guys

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drindt:

the next days i get a new asus ion will test if myth is made for it :) a eco mythtv project hopefully

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wagnerrp:

eco?

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drindt:

yes dual atom with 1.6 ghz with ~21W nvidia ion ...

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drindt:

supported by vdpau...

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drindt:

my calculation say 29Watts power consumption

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to a ~40W AMD system?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: THATS what she said

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i read on the intel tech specs the process overall consumption should be 21W

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drindt:

maximal

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wagnerrp:

when you get past the marketing for the Atom chips, normal desktop systems have far better performance/watt

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wagnerrp:

and its all moot if you just turn off the system or put it in standby for the 20–22hrs a day youre not using it

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drindt:

wagnerrp: performance is not the scope of my try to increase the power consumption, iam sure that atom does not satisfact in performance per watt

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wagnerrp:

my one AMD frontend costs me all of about $8/yr to run

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drindt:

wagnerrp: i havent achieved all of my wishes with my mythtv system, iam working on the solution to go to standby and wake up via usb hid alarm

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drindt:

wagnerrp: actually i run a sempron 1.6ghz with a 3,5" hd 120G and it consumes ~60W that costs 12EUR per month

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drindt:

and this hardware is plugged on wood just for experiments

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[R]:

wagnerrp: people only watch tv for 2 hours?

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drindt:

looks cruel... first i have to sold out my ps3 :) this is then replaced with the new myth machine

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wagnerrp:

mythtv, on that tv, when you average in weekends, yes

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drindt:

[R]: trust the statistics what mythtv is sending you to the maintainer :D

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[R]:

drindt: what?

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drindt:

just kidding

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[R]:

kidding about what?

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drindt:

i know persons they utilize the tv like a heater

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[R]:

what you said made no sense

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jduggan:

i understood what he was saying

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[R]:

what?

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drindt:

my english is very poor as you can read

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jduggan:

he was implying myth callback with statistics of viewing habbits

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[R]:

oh, lol

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wagnerrp:

we have no such thing

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drindt:

jduggan: or is my english not so bad as i imagine :)

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drindt:

wagnerrp: thats what i sayd "just kidding" :)

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drindt:

or is myth certified for windows 7?

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drindt:

:D

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wagnerrp:

as soon as microsoft starts returning our calls

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[R]:

haha

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kormoc:

I guess I shouldn't have written "With love -MyhtTV Project" in flames in their yard then... whoops...

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drindt:

kormoc: i would like as you a question, why is mythweb adding the file extension like .mpg twice?

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kormoc:

where?

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drindt:

i saw in the code that this is only happen when the original file is no .nuv file

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kormoc:

it shouldn't happen

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drindt:

Die letzten Tage von Krakatau.mpg..mpg

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drindt:

my system isnt recording .nuv files, just .mpg

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kormoc:

Where? Raw downloads? asx? and what version?

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drindt:

sorry for not explaining, i think its the raw download the button beyond the asx

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I record into mpg files as well and I'm not seeing it. What version?

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drindt:

rpm told me "mythweb-0.23–1.fc12.i686" cant find version number in mythweb

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kormoc:

hrm

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drindt:

you can point me to the trunk version i can replace the download pl script to test the latest version if you find that useful

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dewman:

!wolfie

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drindt:

kormoc: you can point me to the trunk version i can replace the download pl script to test the latest version if you find that useful

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kormoc:

there's no difference that would cause that

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whitejs:

when I run mythfrontend on a new install of debian lenny the fonts are so tiny as to render the configuration gui unuseable. Did I miss a dependency on the default font or something?

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drindt:

kormoc: ok

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drindt:

iam not really experienced with perl, but i will look, probably i can see something...

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drindt:

thank you guys for the informations, have a good night. cheers

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whitejs:

I manually created a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt pointing it to the backend database and the fonts are now normal sized.

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whitejs:

weird

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kormoc:

sphery, wagnerrp, iamlindoro, If you guys want, cache_apc should be really painless to enable and is showing pretty solid speeds (popups from 2.5 seconds to 600 ms on my box)

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wagnerrp:

in -fixes or trunk?

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kormoc:

trunk

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wagnerrp:

i guess theres no reason why i couldnt have a separate trunk mythweb install on the same server

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wagnerrp:

although i really need to get some recordings on that trunk backend for testing

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nope, no reason why not

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kormoc:

(right now)

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** wagnerrp gets to it... **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I assume when I have apc installed that it should show up as a cache option?

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wagnerrp:

apc is... php module?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, yes

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

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iamlindoro:

hmmm

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kormoc:

should be in your package manager

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iamlindoro:

what does it look for? I have it installed and enabled TTBOMK

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kormoc:

and would just need to bounce apache to get it to show up

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wagnerrp:

seems youre a 'yes man' tonight..

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, it should show up as cache_apc in the option list

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iamlindoro:

yeah, not there, will try another apache reload and maybe clear my local cache

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I check for apc_add existing, but I'm going to switch that over to apc_fetch (functions)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, any way I can perform the check manually to see what it does?

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iamlindoro:

ie the equivalent of manually doing an "import" in python or something

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kormoc:

<?php echo phpinfo();

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kormoc:

put that into a file and browse to it

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kormoc:

you should have apc showing up in there if it's enabled

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iamlindoro:

got it now

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iamlindoro:

just had to bounce apache again

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iamlindoro:

That is a nice little speed bump!

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kormoc:

We cache for 5 minutes figuring that's pretty safe

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wagnerrp:

anything i should be enabling on this? mmap? semaphores?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nopers

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Just for my own understanding, can you explain how the cache mechanism works?

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iamlindoro:

and pardon if that's a dumb question

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kormoc:

certainly and no worries

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kormoc:

So when we load up the program data for a show, it's pretty expensive to do all the database/backend calls to get the data and to put it into the data structures

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kormoc:

so we do all the work to get the object together and we store it assembled into memory and when we go to create it again, we check the memory for a pre-assembled object and if it's there, we use that rather then re-assembling it again

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iamlindoro:

ok, I see-- so how does it manage to speed up the initial load of a given popup?

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iamlindoro:

I figured that data was loaded on-demnad

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kormoc:

Sure, but we just loaded it to display the main page

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kormoc:

the program object is the same for the popup as it is for the listing's page

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kormoc:

So to view the listings page, we created all thousand programs already

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kormoc:

and then for the popup, we just re-use the ones we created for the listings page, as they're the same data

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kormoc:

Does that make sense?

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iamlindoro:

It does, though I didn't think I had gone to the listings page already:)

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iamlindoro:

though I guess it's the same with upcoming/recorded

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, makes sense, thanks

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kormoc:

exactly, the same :)

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kormoc:

np :)

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wagnerrp:

this could take a while... it wants to reinstall php

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** kormoc raises an eyeborw **

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wagnerrp:

which probably means it wants all the other little includes too

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wagnerrp:

(package manager)

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kormoc:

that's kinda absurd

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kormoc:

but fair 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

wait... no...

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wagnerrp:

im trying to install this on the base system, which doesnt have PHP installed anyway

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wagnerrp:

ive got apache shoved off in a container

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wagnerrp:

cant actually tell if its working, i never added any channels to this system

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kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

tried adding them, but i cant get mythtv-setup to run

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wagnerrp:

so... im rebuilding a newer version of trunk

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mcl0vin:

what could cause my keyboard vot to work

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mcl0vin:

*not

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mcl0vin:

after i start the pc and it loads mythtv

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tank-man:

its not pluged in

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mcl0vin:

then it stops

[22:19:22]

tank-man:

does mythtv have focus?

[22:20:01]

mcl0vin:

tank-man: it should

[22:20:27]

tank-man:

does numlock/caps lock work?

[22:20:31]

mcl0vin:

but none work..ctrl+alt F2

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squish102:

does mythtv have any kind of slingbox capabilities? id like to stream something i'm recording to my pc at work.

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[R]:

you can stream over mythweb...

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tank-man:

what is slingbox

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mcl0vin:

u don't know dling box

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mcl0vin:

*sling

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mcl0vin:

:)

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mcl0vin:

tank-man: lgthfy :P

[22:23:16]

mcl0vin:

its like mythtv

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squish102:

ok, mythweb it is then

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tank-man:

if you have the bandwith, you can just setup a frontend at work

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mcl0vin:

you plug in the box at one location, and you watch it some way on the other side TCP/IP

[22:25:02]

squish102:

is the webpage one better, or the asx stream one?

[22:25:18]

mcl0vin:

so the whole mythtv box freez

[22:25:27]

squish102:

i only have 35k upload

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wagnerrp:

35kbps or KB/s?

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squish102:

whatever is slower

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tank-man:

yea, slower than dialup

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squish102:

time warner cable

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wagnerrp:

35kbps is pathetic

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kormoc:

squish102, you would need to use the flash streaming with that upload

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre looking at maybe 1mbps total download speed with that

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mcl0vin:

what is flash stream

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squish102:

ok, thanks

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wagnerrp:

are you sure you dont mean 35KB/s? (280kbps)

[22:28:04]

mcl0vin:

there is no bytes in speed

[22:28:13]

mcl0vin:

it is all bits

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mcl0vin:

well from a cisco point of view

[22:29:09]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I'm wondering about upcoming recordings in clean blue-- the recordings themselves use a fixed width but the Display/Filter bit at the top is centered according to the relative width

[22:29:15]

squish102:

just tested my line. dl = 12.11 Mb/s and ul = 0.36 Mb/s

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mcl0vin:

ppl always get excited ...i have 6 MB at home

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats about the right ratio

[22:30:01]

wagnerrp:

your download speed is actually limited by your limited upload

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squish102:

it actually sucks so bad. try uploading some video to youtube

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at mcl0vin **

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wagnerrp:

TCP requires about a 35:1 ratio

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sphery:

kormoc: you're making me recompile php way too often

[22:30:38]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah? What bout it?

[22:30:46]

kormoc:

sphery, hehe, sorry

[22:30:51]

sphery:

you should tell me about all these php options you plan to take advantage of in the future :)

[22:31:29]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Just thought it felt odd that the controlled for a specific screen wasn't centered in relation to the things it is controlling-- but that said, as a myth themer, I know how many things are just artistic decisions-- so either way :)

[22:31:31]

kormoc:

Uhh, let's see... Reflection, SPL, mysqlnd...

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iamlindoro:

er controller

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wagnerrp:

anyway squish102, you dont even want to try streaming content

[22:32:06]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, ahh, it's purely layout weirdnesses on some of those pages, I didn't really feel like modifying all the other themes to make everything center properly yet

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sphery:

I wish whitejs stuck around

[22:32:13]

mcl0vin:

kormoc: in networking u don't say Mega byte per second, you say mega bits / second

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sphery:

I need him to tell me how to repro that issue so that I can fix it

[22:32:37]

wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: you can say whatever you please, so long as you make it know what youre referring to

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, just wasnt sure whether the skin as a whole is meant to be fixed width (a la upcoming) or relative (a la recorded)

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, it was more the fact that you think people get excited about 6MB

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wagnerrp:

i would get excited over 48mbps service

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, hrm, good question, I haven't really thought too much bout that

[22:33:54]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I just signed up for 100/100

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wagnerrp:

ooooh

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, pondering if I should upgrade to the 200/200 when they offer it in a few months

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squish102:

kormoc what isp offers that?

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kormoc:

squish102, condointernet.net

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iamlindoro:

I want 100 symmetric!

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iamlindoro:

maaaan

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wagnerrp:

id be content with 10 symmetric

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the price really got to me, $60 a month after tax and all fees

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iamlindoro:

I'd be content with current speed with 24 hours of straight uptime

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wagnerrp:

20 would be better, 40 would be perfect

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squish102:

kormoc lets hope that is the future (although it looks to be going the other way)

[22:38:41]

kormoc:

squish102, as more fiber starts getting cheaper, it'll pop up more and more

[22:38:55]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, That's almost certainly less than I'm paying now-- lucky!

[22:39:04]

kormoc:

but yeah, this was a total jackpot, move out of fios area and I was very sad and then a few months later, jackpot!

[22:39:41]

sphery:

100Mbps for $60/mo after taxes and fees?

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

and here I am stuck with my 7.5Mbps/1Mbps

[22:40:23]

wagnerrp:

and here i am stuck with my 4.5Mbps/.75Mbps

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mcl0vin:

what could cause my box to freez so often now

[22:40:49]

[R]:

i've got like 12Mbps

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sphery:

wagnerrp: explaines why it took you longer to send than me :)

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[R]:

you guys have super crappy connections

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kormoc:

25/15 to 1.5/768k to 100/100 :)

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah... and there's FIOS available less than 100yds away

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sphery:

and I'll bet they allow you to run servers on that, too, right?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh damn

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kormoc:

sphery, yes, and they'll give me a full subnet (/24) of static ips for free as well

[22:42:22]

kormoc:

with full rdns control to boot

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, AT&T Uverse is available just down the road from me, but they tell me, "We were not able to find that address," (which, I presume, means that I'm not in their covered area).

[22:42:35]

wagnerrp:

they have full C-blocks to give?

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sphery:

nice

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

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[R]:

thats why we are unning out of ipv4

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[R]:

because of nonsense like taht

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wagnerrp:

and here i am thinking im special with my /29

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kormoc:

[R], I might have 253 servers in my condo!

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[R]:

lol

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kormoc:

[R], actually, renting another apartment and a few connections of theirs would be cheaper then coloing...

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** kormoc wonders the legality of getting 30 amp drops installed **

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

kormoc: ah, apc is a separate source package, not part of php, so I just have to compile one little thing

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kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

makes it much easier :)

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mcl0vin:

http://pastebin.com/1LKmmVfV can someone look at my dmesg maybe they can help me please

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mcl0vin:

can mythtv burn a show to dvd

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squish102:

mcl0vin look at the menu option in fronetend called 'archive'

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squish102:

'atchive files'

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mcl0vin:

i dont see that option

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kormoc:

Install MythArchive

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mcl0vin:

kormoc: how please

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kormoc:

I just run emerge mytharchive, but YMMV

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I can't seem to find anything on this. Is there any way to change the default directory for channel icons that isn't under the current users directory?

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wagnerrp:

icons are always stored under the mythconfigdir, where ever that is

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to change it?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I don't like having systemwide configuration data under a user's home directory?

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wagnerrp:

but its typically not system-wide

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Aren't channel icons a system, not a user setting?

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wagnerrp:

usually you just have the one user running mythtv

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, they're backend wide?

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, they're streamed from the backend

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wagnerrp:

the backend stored them under its own configdir

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wagnerrp:

and if the frontend doesnt find them locally, it will pull them from the backend

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I like to keep mine in the structure with the fanart, banner, etc storage groups.

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kormoc:

So symlink?

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kormoc:

Write a patch?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If I'm the only one who thinks it makes sense, no point in putting in a change.

[23:17:22]

wagnerrp:

i somehow seem to have lost my mouse cursor

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kormoc:

The backend manages them, reads and writes them, it seems to make sense for the backend to own them

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, put out some cheese

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I agree with that. That's why having it under a home directory doesn't make sense to me. But as I said, if it makes sense to everyone else, it isn't worth me seeing it doesn't.

[23:18:41]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, so just symlink it to where you want it

[23:18:43]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Over the weekend I rebuilt the whole backend, so I'm looking into a bunch of things I've been ignoring for a few years.

[23:18:51]

wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: consider it more like an icon cache

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wagnerrp:

those are just locally cached versions of the ones owned by the frontend

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wagnerrp:

like how your theme images are a locally cached (and scaled) version of the masters

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, this is on the backend.

[23:20:09]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've just been using the old CLI icon script with the icondir option to put it where I want

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wagnerrp:

youre not running the frontend as the same user as the backend?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm not running them on the same computer

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

The backend is on the file server.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have separate frontends.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

backend is completely headless

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I also shut the frontends off when not in use

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kormoc:

I'm so confused as to why this matters so much, you can symlink them into where you want, it doesn't matter where your frontends are...

[23:21:48]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, that is what I was saying. It doesn't matter much

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If no one but me likes it the way I like it, then I won't bother trying to propose any sort of patch.

[23:22:19]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

No point.

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wagnerrp:

its been proposed a couple times to move icons to a storage group

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, I'd be for that.

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wagnerrp:

but no one got up the motivation to actually do it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It would make sense for me, if only because I think that all the media should be managed identically, and I think of the icons as akin to the banners and such

[23:23:19]

wagnerrp:

so it has remained

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, so what's wrong with just symlinking them to where you want?

[23:24:02]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, nothing. I just wanted to know if there was a way to change it under the current system.

[23:24:09]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

If there isn't, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing

[23:24:14]

wagnerrp:

bleh... teach me to go 40 minutes in a game without saving...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

As I said, it isn't an issue.

[23:25:02]

wagnerrp:

and thats why no one has bothered to 'fix' it

[23:25:14]

wagnerrp:

no real gain, for a not insignificant amount of work

[23:25:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

As I said, if no one but me doesn't like it, then I won't worry.

[23:25:31]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have a lot of ideas that aren't mainstream

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wagnerrp:

im not saying people dont like it, or dont think it should be done

[23:26:16]

wagnerrp:

more that no one wants to do it themselves... very low priority

[23:26:17]

mcl0vin:

got errors when archiving

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Okay.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll just move on to my next problem, which is more important.

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, congratz?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How to best reorganize my mythVideo directories for the storage group.

[23:26:48]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But that isn't something I need input on

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mcl0vin:

hahahgaha

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, the same way they are now?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I previously only had the MythVideo stretched on one drive, yet the recordings were on three. So, I thought I'd stretch the MythVideo storage group to more space

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I hate running out of space because I didn't allocate enough to one over the other

[23:30:37]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

And I brought back an additional 750GB...

[23:31:42]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I did find the remote option you mentioned though.

[23:31:47]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Am going to have to try that out.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, caching frontend scans now, if you want to double check that it's better

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and we shouldn't be shipping .pyc files, right?

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wagnerrp:

right, those should be built by the end user

[23:52:15]

wagnerrp:

did i let one slip in?

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kormoc:

We have one in the netvision tree somewhere

[23:52:34]

kormoc:

so I doubt it was you

[23:52:45]

kormoc:

but we can setup svn ignores so they don't slip in in the future :)

[23:52:53]

wagnerrp:

i dont think there should be any python left in the netvision tree

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kormoc:

/trunk/mythtv/programs/scripts/internetcontent/nv_python_libs/vimeo/vimeo_data.p yc

[23:56:27]

wagnerrp:

i was under the impression all that stuff got moved to the frontend

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** kormoc shrugs **

[23:57:17]

wagnerrp:

oh, that is in the frontend... nevermind

[23:59:00]

wagnerrp:

hehe, iamlindoro make a whole commit just for that one file

[23:59:30]

wagnerrp:

OH!... i think that holds the API key

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

special case

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wagnerrp:

and its supposed to be some key we dont disclose

[23:59:46]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that pyc is supposed to be there

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