Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 9th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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wagnerrp:

i like the layout, but pastels arent for me

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** wagnerrp goes back to fixing the bindings **

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Pluribus9:

Thanks all for you bindings help.... Works better than I expected :-)

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, all that grabber stuff is RDV

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Pluribus9:

True, but you DID help me :-) (and in a way that didnt require a full rebuild again of myth... It is already nightly)

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wagnerrp:

i should set up a nightly snapshot and rebuild...

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Pluribus9:

That is pretty much what I do after the wife heads to sleep (so that I can fix it before morning if it breaks)

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wagnerrp:

i should really figure out why i have to uninstall the previous myth before building the next one

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wagnerrp:

!seen decke

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MythLogBot:

decke was last seen 42 days 7 hours 36 minutes 27 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

im not running trunk for production

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Pluribus9:

I have to... That or dont use the internal player.

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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Pluribus9:

Yeah the hdaudio merge fixed it for me.

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wagnerrp:

aac issues?

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Pluribus9:

Yup.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i just ended up reripping all the content i had with aac

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Pluribus9:

All my videos are H264/AAC (over 500 movies at the moment)

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wagnerrp:

kept the video, just muxed in the original audio

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Pluribus9:

Mine is even more messed up... I also MUST use libfaad :-(.

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Pluribus9:

But as of now, all my videos (except one) play well enough for me (Cant attest to thier "correctness" so I wont try) The one is just damn broken in a way that kills ffmeg.

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Pluribus9:

er ffmpeg.

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Pluribus9:

vlc plays it fine, just need to re-encode it with a newer codec.

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Pluribus9:

Ok all, thanks again for your help... /me wont get bitten by that one again :-)

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Beirdo:

yum

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Beirdo:

yup, it's toooo spicy hot, but I like that soup I made ;)

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justinh:

hur hur hur. these television-x titles are getting more amusing

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justinh:

c*m dog millionaire, anyone?

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justinh:

reminds me I need to patch the programme finder to only show visible channels

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justinh:

or do I? I dunno if it's intended behaviour or not

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justinh:

also reminds me I was going to look at fettling searches some more and look at ways to improve the custom recording rules setup

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justinh:

something I feel I'd use much more were it not about virtually entering mysql with a remote

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test4:

hi, I got trouble with colour trying to watch tv .. mythbackend returned an error : NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec, and the file dev/video0 is empty ; it is normal or what should contain this file ?

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test4:

Unknown video codec *

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justinh:

unknown audio codec? somebody hasn't set up their recording profiles I think

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justinh:

but that has nothing to do with your framegrabber card not getting colour video

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justinh:

if you're not getting colour video in any other application (which if I remember right you're not) then it's either a hardware or a driver problem. Not a mythtv problem

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test4:

ok i gona chack the recording profile (anyway) :)

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test4:

i think u right this is a driver problem ..

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justinh:

I think it's time you found out how to use the v4l2ctl command

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test4:

v4l2 would help a lot .. yes

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justinh:

for one thing it'll tell you which video input settings are being used

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justinh:

and for another thing it'll let you change the input settings

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test4:

i remember before i had v4L and V4L2 (think it was on dev/video)1, and it was working ...

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test4:

one last thing justinh please, is it possible a driver (v4l) works well using television port, and doesn't works using composite/svideo port ?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

though that can sometimes be down to the driver not autodetecting the card type properly

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justinh:

most analogue tuner cards have an input matrix & the driver links video inputs on the chip to physical sockets – if this is wrong all kinds of problems can occur

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test4:

thanks

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test4:

have a good day

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test4:

I'm on v4l2ctl command ;)

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test4:

well .. yes it's the same with every soft bad colour ... damn driver

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justinh:

so er.. what is the driver identifying the card as.. and what card actually *is* it?

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test4:

bt878 pinnacle pctv card

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test4:

and driver is bttv -v4l/v4l2 driver module for bt 848/878 based cards

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test4:

(pinnacle pctv studio pro)

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test4:

it *is* a >> http://picpaste.com/bt878.jpeg

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test4:

(and pilote=driver in french)

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justinh:

I wouldn't believe what the equivalent of lspci says

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justinh:

gah. why the heck hasn't my domain been updated yet?! How can it take more than 24 hours for a .co.uk to propagate?

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test4:

>lspci says> 01:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)

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justinh:

heh well maybe things really are taking that long to propagate. pfft

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justinh:

using nslookup I set the server to the new host's ns.. then lookup my domain & it's there. but not on my home ISP

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Jay2k1:

i still see the old site too

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justinh:

I can't help thinking there was something the old host had to do & hasn't

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Jay2k1:

i mean this is really very long

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Jay2k1:

on my control panel i can set the ttl to 10 minutes, 1 day or 1 week

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justinh:

heh

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Jay2k1:

so when i know that i'll have frequent updates, i can just lower the ttl

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justinh:

wha? set debug in nslookup & the ttl on the new host isn't changing

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justinh:

set at 10800

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justinh:

this is madness

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sid3windr:

justinh: what's the domain name?

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justinh:

newtonheathdtc.co.uk

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sid3windr:

the nameservers for the domain are set to one.com

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sid3windr:

at .uk tld

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justinh:

I know

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justinh:

I need the new host to force an update

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justinh:

they're giving me this "it'll take time to filter through" crap

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justinh:

and the actual host won't deal with me cos the account is through a reseller :-\

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justinh:

I'm never doing this again

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sid3windr:

well

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sid3windr:

you can wait all you like for dns updates and ttls as long as the nameservers are wrong at .uk themselves... :p

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test4:

bye :)

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justinh:

sigh. seems like I have to get nominet involved after all

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>> hi babes

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>> the tag for heart is "HEARTINTERNET"

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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sid3windr:

hi babes!

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justinh:

> >>>> when I moved from Fasthosts to Heart I had to

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justinh:

> >>>> change the ips tag to Heartinternet via the fasthosts control panel

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justinh:

> >>>> then

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justinh:

> >>>> go to

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justinh:

> >>>> heart and add the domain to my account through my customer control

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justinh:

> >>>> panel

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>> So that should be it I hope...

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>> I was out most of today, but will be on the

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justinh:

> >>>> computer most of tomorrow if there are any issues

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>> hugs

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>> jo

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>> x

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

> >>>>

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justinh:

jees

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justinh:

ahem

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justinh:

myers. well...

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justinh:

and irssi.. cheers... " Pasting 5 lines to #mythtv-users. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel" it said

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jduggan:

hugs

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jduggan:

jo

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jduggan:

x

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jduggan:

justinh and jo

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jduggan:

sitting in a tree

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jduggan:

=]

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justinh:

not biting

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justinh:

lol I wasn't even on this screen panel when I accidentally pasted that

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justinh:

the top of the text is in the other one. wth

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justinh:

ugh. James Corden in this week's Dr Who. Another reason to cancel it

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sphery:

"I'd much rather see full UTF-8 support in MythTV"??? What are we lacking?

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justinh:

ze funny acczents?

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sphery:

Might be... Other than some broken columns using utf8_bin collation and maybe some compose support, I don't know of any utf-8 issues.

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justinh:

hrm. my domain is already under heart internet.. so maybe this really is a case of waiting. man, this is incredibly lame

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deegan:

You should have switched to us instead, ;)

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justinh:

everybody always says that

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justinh:

and so far every other web host I've used has sucked one way or another

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justinh:

yay finally! nameservers have changed

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test4:

nice

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justinh:

it'll just take a bit for things to propagate now

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aroth:

hi. i have set up mythtv on a multimedia pc. i want to hide the mouse cursor only during video playback, but show it in the rest of mythtv

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justinh:

awkward

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sphery:

aroth: I think some users use a non-Myth program to do that type of thing

[10:03:16]

justinh:

though nowadays you can add an event to trigger the hiding of the mouse

[10:03:19]

sphery:

they tell Myth to leave it visible then use the other program to hide it when appropriate

[10:03:26]

sphery:

exactly--easy with events

[10:03:49]

aroth:

that's sounds great. but which program do i need?

[10:04:10]

sphery:

aroth: unclutter

[10:04:13]

sphery:

had to look it up

[10:04:59]

sphery:

I think with that, it will be hidden only when not in use (which, presumably, will include during video playback)

[10:05:48]

wagnerrp:

apparently most americans think an increase in mileage from 20mpg to 30mpg is just as good as one from 10mpg to 20mpg

[10:05:52]

sphery:

http://unclutter.sourceforge.net/

[10:06:27]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh

[10:06:27]

sphery:

that's sad

[10:06:45]

aroth:

thx

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justinh:

but it's an increase of 10!

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sphery:

I wouldn't be surprised if many of those same people think that a change from SPF 30 to SPF 50 is as effective as a change from SPF 10 to SPF 30

[10:07:57]

justinh:

I wouldn't be surprised if most of those same people died of skin cancer

[10:08:03]

sphery:

heh

[10:08:25]

sphery:

(laughing at the cause-effect relationship, not the idea of someone dying)

[10:08:50]

justinh:

natural selection at work

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wagnerrp:

oh, you know youre laughing at people dying, i know of your common solution to problems

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sphery:

:)

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justinh:

proper selection I mean.. not just survival of those with the biggest gun

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justinh:

wagnerrp: bah. fires are a much better way for them to go anyway :)

[10:10:18]

wagnerrp:

but thats a couple minutes of intense pain and suffocation

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wagnerrp:

rather than months of poisons

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justinh:

I won't feel a thing

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre referring to the cost on the rest of society for their care

[10:11:38]

justinh:

petrol is way cheaper than chemo drugs too

[10:12:03]

justinh:

er.. I mean right now it is. might not be for very much longr

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aroth:

another question: is there a way to play audio cds (without ripping them first)?

[10:14:20]

justinh:

yes

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aroth:

justinh: great. how?

[10:15:43]

justinh:

whoah what happened to it?

[10:15:57]

justinh:

I guess the answer is now 'NO'. lol

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sphery:

So, I guess some people find it too difficult to come to #mythtv-users to ask questions...

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justinh:

ahhh

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justinh:

it's moved

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justinh:

play music.. all my music.. and then the 'from cd' menu option

[10:18:02]

justinh:

so it seems anyway. I'm not actually at my machine & I don't have an audio cd in the drive anyway

[10:18:30]

justinh:

playing music from CD.. heh that's quaint. Like watching TV as it happens

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aroth:

ok, i will try this

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aroth:

it would be great if there's an entry in the main menu called 'play Audio CD'

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justinh:

there used to be

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aroth:

but i haven't found it or maybe i'm blind

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justinh:

reminds me. wonder if ffmpeg ever fixed seeking in flacs

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blizzard_:

I've noticed on places that some folks are using NFS for sharing the recorded file to mythtvfrontend instead of getting it feeded from port 6543.... How to I set up the NFS part to accomplish this? mount it in a hard defined location on the frontend host where the frontend will check by default?

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: why do you think you need to?

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justinh:

myth protocol beats NFS for performance apparently

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blizzard_:

ok

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blizzard_:

my client buffers between shows

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wagnerrp:

justinh: there are claims on both sides of that argument

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blizzard_:

(want to get rid of that)

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justinh:

get rid of the wireless then

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wagnerrp:

blizzard_: what do you mean?

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justinh:

go wired

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sphery:

blizzard_: if you do want NFS, you just need to mount all recordings file systems at the exact same absolute path on all MythTV machines

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blizzard_:

and XBMC as frontend takes 5–8 secs or more for channel change (xbmc problem, i know)

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justinh:

ah

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blizzard_:

not using wireless

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justinh:

then your 'buffers between shows' problem is also XBMC related

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sphery:

i.e. mythserver:/path/to/recordings needs to be mounted at /path/to/recordings on all frontends... Which means that you'll need different paths for different file systems on different backend machines

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blizzard_:

oh, ok

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justinh:

why do so many people seem to want to see all their shows as One Big Long List (tm) ?

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** sphery doesn't have a clue if that works with XB-I-fake-your-protocol-MC\ **

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blizzard_:

dunno

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justinh:

need to start trouting people who admit they use xbmc as a frontend

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justinh:

it's not supported here

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blizzard_:

yap

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blizzard_:

but 5 out of my 6 frontends are mythtvfrontends =)

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wagnerrp:

s/tv//

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justinh:

so is this 'buffering' issue on all the frontends or just the xbmc one?

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wagnerrp:

mythtvfrontend is some 3rd party windows application

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justinh:

if you mean that in livetv there's a gap on show boundaries then maybe your backend is underpowered

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blizzard_:

just: dunno, im using the frontends to view recorded material, gf uses the xbmc one for "zapping around"

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sphery:

OK, so it's official. I'm in love with: http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/

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sphery:

Thanks to Apple for getting it press by actually using it in Safari 5

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justinh:

was just about to ask if that was the one apple are also in love with

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sphery:

yeah, they basically took it, removed options, then added it directly into the browser (not as a bookmarklet)

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justinh:

sphery: ooo that might be nice for mythbrowser

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I'll have to see if we can trigger it... I don't know MB too well

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you mean it lets me get rid of all those sites with plain white backgrounds?

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sphery:

yeah, I'm using the Inverse style and it's /soo/ much better

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gbee:

:P

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wagnerrp:

ooh, even better

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sphery:

(Inverse style/Small font size/Extra Narrow margin--can read an article without all the scrolling)

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wagnerrp:

i was using Novel

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sphery:

wouldn't be that difficult to modify the fonts/colors, etc.

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blizzard_:

sphery: that readability site was really nice

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sphery:

and it's Apache-licensed, so...

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wagnerrp:

you know, you read faster with narrow columns

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sphery:

really?

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sphery:

guess it makes sense from a "getting lost in the line" standpoint

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sphery:

and scanning the eyes...

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sphery:

might have to have another wide margin one

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wagnerrp:

that, plus the text is nearly all within the readable cone of your eyes, do yeah, you dont have to scan

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wagnerrp:

thats why magazines and newspapers are all multiple narrow columns

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wagnerrp:

it takes up more room, so is actually more expensive for them to print

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wagnerrp:

but its more efficient to read

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jya:

is php >= 5.3.0 a requirement for mythweb now ?

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jya:

pretty annoying

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jya:

don't feel like updating my machine just for mythweb ...

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wagnerrp:

you cant get 5.3 on your current install?

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sid3windr:

debian stable is 5.2

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sid3windr:

s/is/has/

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sid3windr:

so I kind of concur ;/

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sid3windr:

what is requirement "now", myth .23, or after that?

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wagnerrp:

trunk

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sid3windr:

ok :)

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** wagnerrp is glad to be on a source-based OS **

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sid3windr:

debian is also source-based – it's not like people type in machine code in a hex editor you know :>

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wagnerrp:

its package based

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wagnerrp:

the package manager uses pre-compiled binaries

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sid3windr:

:)

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** gbee is glad to be on an OS which isn't stuck in the middle ages **

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to just working on a source tarball

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wagnerrp:

you can probably stick with an older version of mythweb

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jya:

wagnerrp: I install using daily build packages ...

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wagnerrp:

after the programinfo stuff, but before the latest batch of updates

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jya:

found a code that emulate the requred get_called_class in php 5.2

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jya:

cool that works

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jya:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.get-called-class.php#93799

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jya:

may be worth adding this code in mythweb too

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ^^^

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gbee:

the 8 month old Mandriva 2010 release included 5.3.1

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jya:

Ubuntu 9.10 is 5.2.10

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jya:

and people gave me crap for not supporting ALSA < 1.0.15 !

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wagnerrp:

5.3.1 wasnt even released 8 months ago

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jya:

released like 3 years ago

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wagnerrp:

but the 5.3 branch is almost a year old now

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kormoc:

sid3windr, There's got to be alternative packages for your box

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kormoc:

sid3windr, but yeah, you can use a pre 25000 revision of mythweb just fine

[11:30:35]

sid3windr:

probably – I wasn't the one complaining btw ;)

[11:30:47]

sid3windr:

backend is dedicated so I could install backports without too many issues

[11:30:55]

sid3windr:

but I'm not running trunk so I have some time ;)

[11:31:28]

kormoc:

ooh, who's complaining?

[11:31:52]

wagnerrp:

personally, im excited about 0.24

[11:32:08]

sphery:

kormoc: thread at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/439546#439546

[11:32:42]

kormoc:

ahh

[11:33:12]

gbee:

wagnerrp: entirely possible it launched with 5.3 and 5.3.1 was included as an update since, I wouldn't have noticed

[11:33:29]

wagnerrp:

with the PI refactor, rather than just tacking on new values, were going to be fielding support for all these third party applications that do no protocol version checking and will arbitrarily break

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sid3windr:

PI?

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wagnerrp:

programinfo

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sid3windr:

yea I just figured it out :>

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sid3windr:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

the primary data structure passed between frontend and backend for identifying a recording

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sid3windr:

I was wondering if you wouldn't leave that for release 3.14 :]

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wagnerrp:

might be good time for some evangelizing and 'do it right next time!'

[11:36:12]

wagnerrp:

if only there were some database changes to go along with it for all those programs that hit the database without checking schema

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sid3windr:

that's doable.. just prefix everything with "myth"

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sid3windr:

:D

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wagnerrp:

?

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jya:

kormoc: I'm complaining too :P ; added this http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.get-called-class.php#93799 to MythBase.php

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jya:

problem solved

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sid3windr:

change the schema renaming all columns ;)

[11:39:26]

wagnerrp:

could change basename to filename

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wagnerrp:

one little change that would screw up so many programs

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sid3windr:

:)

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

[11:58:22]

ThisOtherGuy:

I just upgrade to ubuntu lucid and the latest in trunk and now I get no video when I try to watch something – can anyone help? here's the error: http://pastebin.com/4rXLeyy1

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Saviq:

ThisOtherGuy: nvidia drivers?

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ThisOtherGuy:

Saviq: is there anyway to check they're installed properly?

[11:59:37]

Saviq:

check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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Saviq:

and *buntu has this restricted modules tool – ask in #ubuntu or similar

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Saviq:

btw, hi all, can someone explain to me why, when importing this XMLTV file http://pastebin.ca/1879828, the title for programme with starttime 20100610000 gets prepended with the tiltle of the previouse programme and a colon?

[12:01:22]

Saviq:

so "Szlakami Wielkiej Brytanii" becomes "Wojownicy : Szlakami Wielkiej Brytanii"?

[12:02:12]

Saviq:

and it's like that for every first program of the day (starting ~0600) on all channels

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justinh:

hmmm silly database export from my old host. should've put the IF NOT EXISTS in the CREATE TABLE bits

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Jay2k1:

:S

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justinh:

success!

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justinh:

whatever I'm charging this club.. it ain't enough

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justinh:

heh and after I spent ages figuring out how to customise a WP theme to show posts from a given category in a page, Wordpress come out with 3.0 which allows this kind of thing

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** wagnerrp is baffled **

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wagnerrp:

getting a failure in some code

[12:57:48]

wagnerrp:

but when i actually try to reproduce it, it works fine

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justinh:

better than my code. compiles fine, never does what I want

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justinh:

! OMG I want a saving scheme like at my wife's work! Double yo money :-O

[13:10:47]

justinh:

put money away every month & then at cashin time, said cash buys shares at a fixed price

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wagnerrp:

so its a stock option

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justinh:

yeah, great return though

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wagnerrp:

kind of

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wagnerrp:

a stock option mean youve paid for the option to buy a certain number of stocks at a certain price

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subone:

How do I unhide the mouse cursor? It seems to work to click menus and such, but I cant see the cursor

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wagnerrp:

if at the end of the option, the price has doubled, you can buy at the stated price and double your money, if it has bombed, you can let the option lapse, and then youre only out the cost of the option

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wagnerrp:

subone: its in the general section in the frontend settings

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kormoc:

subone, uncheck the "Hide the mouse cursor" option in the settings?

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subone:

not seeing that option

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I may owe you another apology

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, ooh?

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subone:

Utilities/Setup>General> not seeing that on any page of that

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wagnerrp:

maybe appearance?

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kormoc:

subone, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . een_settings

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kormoc:

Hide Mouse Cursor in MythTV

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kormoc:

(checkbox)

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subone:

kormoc, found it ty

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, do you remember when I was talking about channel changing? You were the one who said I should use Firewire.

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, yeah?

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subone:

now can anyone recommend a way to send remote commands to mythtv using an android phone over bluetooth/wifi or shellscript/phpscript run from web page

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kormoc:

subone, use the remote control module in mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet#Used_By

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

My SA3250HD, after they upgraded the software from Passport to Mystro(Time Warner cable stuff), refused to reliably do Firewire Channel changing anymore

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subone:

kormoc, ill look into that ty

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wagnerrp:

subone: see that link

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But last week, I discovered my problems with the HDPVR were actually with the SA3250 and swapped it for the newer SA4250HDC.

[13:26:55]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

So, I decided to, because of your insistence, try channel changing with it.

[13:27:22]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

And after a bit of googling and hacking the code of the channel changing program, it seems to work now.

[13:27:29]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

So, I've decided to apologize.

[13:27:33]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Or at the least, thank you

[13:27:40]

subone:

and finally, how do i tell mythtv where my media files are (avi/mpeg/etc)

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kormoc:

subone, look at the mythvideo entry on the mythtv wiki

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, you're quite welcome and glad it's working for ya

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subone:

ty

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subone:

is there anyway to run mythtv fullscreen above gnome-panel?

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wagnerrp:

fix your system

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wagnerrp:

specifically, turn off compiz

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subone:

fix my system? other programs seem to have no issue fullscreen

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Azelphur:

Hi, Just imported a DVD with mythtv, it saved it into the videos directory, all good. Only problem is it won't play in MythTV

[13:31:18]

Azelphur:

VLC plays it fine, though

[13:31:31]

Azelphur:

MythTV also appears to play the original disk, it's just the iso it won't have

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I attribute it to the box change. But either way, I'll keep you posted. Hopefully, it won't crash. If I try to run firewire_tester, the whole thing locks up and has to be rebooted. But simple channel changing does.

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur, are you using storage groups?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I miss when I used to be able to get every channel over firewire.

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: yup

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, Yeah, I had a box that would die with firewire_tester but went a year with channel changing without any issues

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wagnerrp:

specifically http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Disadvantages

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kormoc:

Azelphur, patches welcome!

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I just was reluctant to give up the 3250 because it took a complaint to the local regulatory authority to get it when it was the only box they had with enabled firewire ports.

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: The only stuff that page appears to say about dvds is to import them exactly how I did

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Azelphur:

looking at the mythfrontend output in terminal, it appears to be trying to open /dev/dvd, even though I'm trying to play the imported dvd

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kormoc:

Azelphur, "ISO/VIDEO_TS/BDMV Playback does not presently work in Storage Groups."

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Azelphur:

ah

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Azelphur:

hopefully it will do soon :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

One day last summer, TW switched their box software and suddenly Firewire streaming was dead and I had to rush order an HDPVR. I swear sometimes they are toying with me

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johnnyj:

for mythweb does it matter if i use mpm-prefork or worker?

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kormoc:

johnnyj, no

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all – can anyone help me with this on Ubuntu Lucid: http://pastebin.com/7wdqrVdH

[13:56:05]

achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: have you installed the nvidia driver?

[13:56:17]

ThisOtherGuy:

I keep trying but I think I'm doing it wrong

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achew22:

what are you doing?

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ThisOtherGuy:

apt-get install nvidia-185-modaliases

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achew22:

I assume you have a GUI working becuase you're installing nvidia drivers. Have you tried the "Restricted drivers" option in the system | administration menu?

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ThisOtherGuy:

I did have the gui working, but vdpau wasn't working, so I tried uninstalling and reinstalling and now I can't even get to X

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kormoc:

you need to enable multiverse, universe, and restricted drivers and install nvidia-drivers iirc

[14:00:02]

achew22:

nvidia-drivers (as a package) hasn't been available for some time (12+ months)

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ThisOtherGuy:

kormoc: can you tell me how to do that from the command line – here's what my sources.list looks like: http://pastebin.com/isAXRU22

[14:00:28]

ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: is there another package I need?

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kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, I'm not a ubuntu guy by any means, so no. I'd wager #ubuntu could tho

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johnnyj:

yikes that's a busy channel

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: your best bet is "nvidia-current"

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ThisOtherGuy:

#ubuntu referred me to #ubuntu-x which seems empty

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – it appears your multiverse is enabled already

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achew22:

after you have nvidia-current installed you can do a sudo nvidia-xconfig which should configure X for you automagically

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achew22:

Sorry, that was @ ThisOtherGuy

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ThisOtherGuy:

I have nvidia-current installed; nvidia-xconfig isn't a valid command is there something else I need to install?

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johnnyj:

if it were me – i'd use 'sudo aptitude' and mark the nvidia-current for re-install

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achew22:

you should probably install nvidia-settings I think that provides xconfig

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kormoc:

johnnyj, he has no gui at all

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** Beirdo is feeling grouchy **

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johnnyj:

aptitude uses curses

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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johnnyj:

the shell outside of x can handle it

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achew22:

you can also "sudo aptitiude reinstall packagename"

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achew22:

that doesn't even require curses

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johnnyj:

achew22 – i was looking for that

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Beirdo:

or apt-get install --reinstall package

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achew22:

that works too

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: are you sufficiently confused yet?

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Beirdo:

or #mythbuntu :)

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kormoc:

or emerge nvidia-drivers

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Beirdo:

not that we're busy right now :)

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** kormoc shifty eyes **

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achew22:

just go get the RPM for nvidia and alien it into .deb and dpkg -i that sucker

[14:06:25]

Beirdo:

hahah

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johnnyj:

i've actually been getting the bin file from nvidia and installing it manually until this most recent BE re-install to lucid

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achew22:

it turns out the guy who wrote VDPAU goes to my local LUG. I bet he is sorry he ever told me that he was that guy.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

the guy?

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** kormoc blinks **

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achew22:

yeah apparently 1 guy wrote the VDPAU extension for linux

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** dustybin starts a nice clean fresh slackware install for joggler **

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kormoc:

I disbelieve

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johnnyj:

achew22 either he's lueing or I owe him a pizza

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johnnyj:

s/u/i

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achew22:

I think it is a matter of porting the stuff they did in windows to linux more than anything else

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: you still with us?

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johnnyj:

he's already watching tv

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: yup, i'm running "apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current" now

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achew22:

cool beans

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** ThisOtherGuy is rebooting **

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johnnyj:

oh he is new

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achew22:

does anyone have mirobridge working reliably?

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johnnyj:

heh – my new SSD os drive on my MBE = boot ups in <7 seconds

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Beirdo:

you are going for the anti-power-savings MBE?

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achew22:

johnnyj: do you turn it off when you're not recording?

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ThisOtherGuy:

I'm in X! but it seems to be using the "nv" driver not "nvidia"

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achew22:

that's kind of a step forward

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johnnyj:

achew22 – i dont yet – i might if I can ever decipher the wake stuff in bios – but it's a dual purpose machine

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: does aptitude show nvidia-current show that it is installed?

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achew22:

johnnyj: I looked at that and it seems pretty crazy

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johnnyj:

lets 'lsmod |grep -i nvidia'

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johnnyj:

see if it's loaded

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johnnyj:

you can also check dmesg

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achew22:

johnnyj: the one that would be killer for me would be if I could get my remote to turn on my FE. In windows 7 if you just hit the power button on a winmce remote and the machine is off it will turn on and go into windows MCE. Does anyone know how they do that?

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johnnyj:

achew22 – mines a low power revo – I just leave it on

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kormoc:

achew22, usb wakeup

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achew22:

kormoc: how come it doesn't do it when I nuke windows (on the same machine) and install ubuntu?

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kormoc:

achew22, because you didn't enable it?

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RDV_Linux:

achew22: Yes I have Mirobridge working reliably.

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achew22:

RDV_Linux: how do you get it to flag the recordings as watched so that they can expire so that you can get new ones?

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achew22:

kormoc: windows can enable the usb bootup option in the bios?

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kormoc:

achew22, yes

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: dpkg -l | grep nvidia-common shows the package as "ii"

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kormoc:

achew22, and it registers which usb devices to allow it to wake up

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: yes lsmod now shows the driver

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achew22:

kormoc: Can that be done from inside the bios?

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kormoc:

achew22, no

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achew22:

kormoc: so how do you add an item to the list of USB devices that can wake the machine?

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RDV_Linux:

achew22: Once they are marked as "watched" in the "Watch Recordings" screen they will expire according to Miro's expiry in X amount of days.

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – hooray – edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use nvidia instead of 'nv'

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kormoc:

achew22, by following the linux usb wakeup setup instructions?

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – then 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: thanks – that seems to be working now

[14:19:26]

ThisOtherGuy:

now I'm back to my original problem

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ThisOtherGuy:

can anyone help with this: http://pastebin.com/Egu77YjC

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ThisOtherGuy:

did I compile against the wrong libs? or missing something run time?

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johnnyj:

libvdpau1 and libvdpau-dev ?

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – dpkg -l | grep vdpau

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kormoc:

lib vd paul? That's a rough library if it's purpose is to give vd to paul

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johnnyj:

kormoc – +1

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johnnyj:

kormoc – oh ha – I meant +1 to the joke

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: http://pastebin.com/PzVhdDcs

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – sudo apt-get install libvdpau1 libvdpau-dev

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj – from the Nvidia Vdpau Team PPA?

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johnnyj:

uh... i'm not sure who's hosting it

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johnnyj:

that's just the pakage name

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ThisOtherGuy:

k

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: done

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: did you compile myth yourself?

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johnnyj:

so try to start mythfrontend

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: yes

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johnnyj:

yikes – why?

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: same error

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achew22:

if you're in Ubuntu why not just use the packages?

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ThisOtherGuy:

I like using trunk with my own patches

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achew22:

did you do "sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv"

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: no – I get from svn

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achew22:

no, build-dep meets all the build dependancies

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achew22:

it goes and gets libraries and stuff for you

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – mythfrontend --version

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johnnyj:

can you pastebin that?

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: http://pastebin.com/vwU30Ek5

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: isn't that just against what version is in the repo?

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: yeah but the dependencies for myth don't change frequently

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – if vdpau1 and vdpau-dev were not present when you compiled then I'm pretty sure you need to recompile

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy and this time pay attention to the output of ./configure

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achew22:

if those weren't there it couldn't have linked to them

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: k – I'll rebuild; I did check configure and it did say it was ok

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achew22:

it said vdpau was enabled?

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ThisOtherGuy:

yes

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achew22:

or did it say that it was okay to build?

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ThisOtherGuy:

vdpau was enabled

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achew22:

hrm...

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy I would be surprised if a library was enabled when it wasn't present

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: you should try the build-deps thing just to make sure there are no more unmet dependancies that are hard to track down

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johnnyj:

indeed

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ThisOtherGuy:

k – will do

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ThisOtherGuy:

hmmm – same error

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ThisOtherGuy:

lemme try rebooting

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ThisOtherGuy:

is there any way to tell that vdpau is working properly outside of myth?

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achew22:

you compiled and installed myth in 3 min? did you do a make clean?

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ThisOtherGuy:

no – I just installed the build-deps

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achew22:

well after you install build-deps you have to recompile

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achew22:

then reinstall

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ThisOtherGuy:

k – will do

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achew22:

RDV_Linux: I didn't have "Automatically mark a recording as watched" so it wasn't ever expiring old recordings. That was my problem

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RDV_Linux:

achew22: That would do it;)

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achew22:

RDV_Linux: as usual, it was all my fault :)

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RDV_Linux:

achew22: It just feels better to blame the script;)

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achew22:

Now I just have to worry about the LCD clock on the front of the box that is off by 6 hours and 17 minutes.

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: same error

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ThisOtherGuy:

http://pastebin.com/0dC7L937

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy can you run lspci please ?

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: http://pastebin.com/RqQT4Bcc

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johnnyj:

oh ok – nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT] (rev a2)

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ThisOtherGuy:

is that bad?

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ThisOtherGuy:

it was working fine under karmic

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johnnyj:

I was making sure you even had an nvidia card

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johnnyj:

please run ./configure again and pastebin the output

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ThisOtherGuy:

I also checked that it was plugged in :-)

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: http://pastebin.com/BvTB1HV4

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johnnyj:

and so where was your mythfrontend --version output?

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wagnerrp:

apparently amazon 3–5day shipping takes one day

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp i love it when that happens

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: http://pastebin.com/0svNms3G

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wagnerrp:

order it monday, ships tuesday morning, on my porch getting rained on curently

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johnnyj:

ooh not good

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johnnyj:

i ship to my work for that reason

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wagnerrp:

does html5 even have a facility for audio playback?

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – please pastebin the output of 'dmesg | grep -i nvid'

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ThisOtherGuy:

k

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_audio.asp

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: http://pastebin.com/3nMmGt9z

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wagnerrp:

you just hear people talking about video, but nothing about audio

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – what happens when you run nvidia-xconfig?

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johnnyj:

does it report you are or aren't using the nvidia drive?

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: http://pastebin.com/zJVsbNAK

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johnnyj:

whoops – i meant nvidia-settings – you should double-check what it did to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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johnnyj:

it may have removed your Option Composite disable if it was present

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: np – I swapped the files back

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ThisOtherGuy:

nvidia-settings pops up a dialog

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johnnyj:

ThisOtherGuy – I'm stumped – how muvh video ram does this card have?

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dustybin:

where do you mount your mythtv recordings drive?

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iamlindoro:

in my computer

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: /mnt ?

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: 512MB

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dustybin:

according to this: /mnt : Mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem

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dustybin:

http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.txt.gz

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dustybin:

a mythv recordings drive is not temporary

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achew22:

dustybin: I put mine in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/drive-{1,2}

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ThisOtherGuy:

is there any way to check that vdpau is working outside of myth?

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dustybin:

achew22: interesting..

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I use /var/media/drives/1/recording

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blizzard_:

vpdau rocks!

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achew22:

dustybin: I think you can pretty much put it wherever you want. If you wanted it in /dev/ you could probably do it in /dev

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dustybin:

achew22: im a purist, it needs to be correct

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achew22:

you just referenced a manual on where to put things. Can't you look in there?

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dustybin:

achew22: the funny thing is, the FHS is unclear where to mount permanent file system

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iamlindoro:

of course

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iamlindoro:

but he wants to talk about knowing anything

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** dustybin shuts up **

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achew22:

dustybin: why would iamlindoro be the person to ask? The omega of this question?

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dustybin:

i didnt ask him

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achew22:

"iamlindoro: /mnt ?" sounded like you were asking him

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: according to the FHS, the 'proper' place for mythtv recordings would either be in /home or /srv

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achew22:

I didn't read the scrollback so I can see that you did ask the room first

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iamlindoro:

achew22: I didn't ask him anything

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iamlindoro:

he said that

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iamlindoro:

oh, sorry, now I am the one with egg on my face

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iamlindoro:

I read the comment with my name out of context, hah

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iamlindoro:

haha

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kormoc:

/ignore is the answer

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sphery:

kormoc: he didn't see that--he has you on ignore ;)

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kormoc:

:P

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dustybin:

/srv/mythtv sounds excellent :D

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – can anyone help with this: http://pastebin.com/2u4iYAZQ

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dustybin:

google shows a lot of people using that already

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achew22:

dustybin: in reality I put it in /var/lib/... because that's where I put it the first time. I don't know why I did it that way the first time but I did. And as malcom gladwell would say "I've been lining up behind myself" for a long time now

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dustybin:

ok

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RockHound:

hey everyone

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RockHound:

I have read the jamu wiki but I am still a lot on the blind side ... all I would like to do is have Jamu search for "Scrubs" when the recording is called "Scrubs – Die Anfänger"

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RockHound:

is there an easy solution?

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kormoc:

look at the jamu-example.conf file for the title override section

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: I don't know VDPAU, but I'd guess it's a problem with your video driver installation

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ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: that'd my guess but I'm at a loss – here's what I get in myth: http://pastebin.com/0dC7L937

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achew22:

ThisOtherGuy: have you tried using mplayer?

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achew22:

mplayer -vo vdpau "/path/to/file.mpeg"

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: note that sometimes the "helpful" nvidia installer uninstalls the open-source libvdpau library from your system (so you'll need to re-install libvdpau after installing the nvidia drivers if you used the nvidia installer and it did that)

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: I'll try that

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sphery:

if you're using packages, you'd have to ask packagers/users for help

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ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: I'm using the lucid nvidia-current package

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ThisOtherGuy:

achew22: here's the error in mplayer: http://pastebin.com/pSbM0LkS

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cipher42:

is ddclient not working for anyonelse since 10.04?

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cipher42:

oh crap, wrong channel, sorry!

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wagnerrp:

RockHound: you set in the jamu config file to hard-code 'Scrubs – Die Anfänger' to a specific ttvdb ID

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sphery:

ddclient has been working for me since as recently as 3min ago. I don't remember any problems in October, either. (Yes, I realize I'm talking to myself. :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: So you've got it working on 10.06.09 then

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wagnerrp:

october of 2004?

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johnnyj:

i had a day last week ddclient wasn't working – not sure if it was dydns related or not – I updated manually and it started working again

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sphery:

had it working in both 2009 and 2004 :)

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sphery:

yeah, forgot that 10 was the year... :)

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marc-us:

+sperry, I wanted to thank you for your help yesterday. My net connection tanked before I could finish

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sphery:

marc-us: you're welcome... hope you got things working

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Cool_C:

hello! using 0.22. when browsing videos only coverart is displayed, not screenshots, even if there is no coverart. can't seem to find any option about it, so is it configurable in the theme, or in source code?

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dewman:

hey there, I am pretty sure my cable provider has shuffled some channels on me (I am not on comcast) in order to get those channels back, should i just resan the channels or do I need to delete all the sources and start over?

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wagnerrp:

just rescan, mythtv will automatically update any named channels

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wagnerrp:

unnamed channels, you will have to fix manually

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dewman:

wagnerrp, danka....

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Saviq:

hi all, any idea why my programmes' titles end up being 'Title of a previous programme : Current title' for all programmes that start first on/after 0600 hours?

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justinh:

Saviq: yeah maybe your epg data provider is broken

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sphery:

Not that I would ever recommend (or not recommend) them, but: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . =TSD-1000AS3 . 1TB HDD for $39.99 after rebate.

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sphery:

though I'm more likely to get a 2TB for ~$105

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Beirdo:

scambate

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marc-us:

+shpery, I have enough info now to write my own cron job to do this for me unattended

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sphery:

yeah, read carefully--and note that the place usually has very high shipping to make up for their low prices

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

marc-us: cool... ideally we'll get it fixed eventually

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sphery:

marc-us: the problem is probably that your HD-PVR starts recording before the STB has settled, so it records garbage that we can't properly parse, so the preview generator goes crazy

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sphery:

if you delay the start of recording until the STB settles, you probably won't have any problems. To dealy start, you'd need the patch John P. made.

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sphery:

(from #6719 )

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marc-us:

I plan on doing that but I'm a little inept at compiling and building. I think I would have to apply the patch to the code and recompile right?

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marc-us:

all that make-build and install stuff will require a dedicated couple of hours of learning before my attempt.

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sphery:

right, which might be a challenge

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sphery:

if you're using packages, you might be better off sticking with the cron job until we get it fixed for real

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sphery:

that way you don't mess up your system

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sphery:

or make it so you can't switch back to packages later

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ikrabbe:

Hi, I have a nvidia twinview setup and want to view the movie on one screen

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marc-us:

Agreed but I'm beginning to get tired of packaged systems

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marc-us:

for this very reason

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ikrabbe:

but the movie size is scaled against the whole size which is quite wide and not that high

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sphery:

well, I have to say that the amount of time the packagers spend learning about MythTV compilation/installation is that much time you don't have to spend if you use packages

[16:15:15]

ikrabbe:

so I have a small horizontally overscaled video display

[16:15:23]

sphery:

I only use source because I'm actively developing MythTV

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marc-us:

True, as I learned while patching lirc to use the pvr-150 emitters years ago

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iamlindoro:

I use source because I'm a l33t h4xx0r and OMFG IT BROKE YOU JERKS

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achew22:

iamlindoro: did you do mirobridge?

[16:17:14]

marc-us:

I'm going through a WAF battle and this last "fix" will help with the war

[16:17:28]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: and "HOLY COW I'M TOTALLY GOING SO FAST OH F***

[16:17:30]

ikrabbe:

Is there a way to have that correct in mythtv 0.22?

[16:17:35]

iamlindoro:

achew22: I committed it, I did not write it

[16:17:48]

iamlindoro:

Doug Vaughan wrote it

[16:17:51]

achew22:

iamlindoro: nevermind then

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achew22:

well Iguess it is a more generic question. Can mp4 be handled by myth?

[16:18:14]

wagnerrp:

yes

[16:18:16]

iamlindoro:

the container? of course

[16:18:26]

achew22:

When I try and play ted talks from the RSS feed which come as mpeg4 I get an AV sync error

[16:18:31]

achew22:

and I don't exactly know what that means

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iamlindoro:

what version of myth are you on?

[16:18:43]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like .22 with VDPAU

[16:18:53]

achew22:

.23 from ubuntu repos

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marc-us:

I was hoping that if I patched the source, I might have better luck running two hdpvrs. It was not a pleasnt experience before and I swear its related to the stb changing res and scan rates

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iamlindoro:

are you on *current* .23 or what they call .23?

[16:19:15]

achew22:

let me do a version

[16:19:20]

iamlindoro:

ie, are you running their auto-builds, or just whatever they shoveled out with 10.04

[16:19:27]

achew22:

10.04

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achew22:

24158

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iamlindoro:

Then it's not .23

[16:19:43]

achew22:

really?

[16:19:46]

marc-us:

So, all this has been actually very good. Learning the grep and awk stuff is incredible

[16:19:46]

iamlindoro:

really

[16:19:55]

iamlindoro:

you are on a version of trunk that predates .23 by many weeks

[16:20:01]

** Beirdo hands iamlindoro a trout... go find the mythbuntu guts :) **

[16:20:06]

Beirdo:

guys rather

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achew22:

thats a dirty trick

[16:20:16]

achew22:

I wish I had known that

[16:20:25]

achew22:

are the auto-builds stable?

[16:20:28]

achew22:

er... stable enough

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iamlindoro:

So just install their auto-builds repos and get to actual .23

[16:20:39]

iamlindoro:

they're far more stable than pre-realse trunk

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achew22:

sounds good

[16:21:13]

** Beirdo swings a trout... **

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: to be fair, we told them to go ahead and release with 0.23, since 0.23 would be out long before 10.04

[16:21:57]

Beirdo:

yeah, but still

[16:22:02]

iamlindoro:

achew22: In short, VDPAU can't handle all resolutions-- and TED talks come in some odd ones

[16:22:10]

Beirdo:

they shouldn't have CALLED it 0.23 until it was 0.23

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justinh:

give up on that argument

[16:22:24]

iamlindoro:

so myth needed a workaround to drop back to software decode for resolutions it couldn't handle

[16:22:31]

achew22:

iamlindoro: does that mean that going to .23 for real will fix it?

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** Beirdo gives justinh the evil eye... **

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Beirdo:

:)

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iamlindoro:

achew22: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24315/br . . . e-0-23-fixes

[16:22:47]

iamlindoro:

yes

[16:22:51]

iamlindoro:

fixed in 24315

[16:22:59]

justinh:

Beirdo: they say "muh, we gotta call it *something* "

[16:23:09]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: technically, it wasnt trunk, it was the 0.23-fixes branch

[16:23:16]

iamlindoro:

actual .23 release was 24509, fixes is at r25605

[16:23:36]

wagnerrp:

it was just well prior to tagging for actual release

[16:23:42]

Beirdo:

we gotta call them something too, but that may not be polite at times, depending on how many lusers complain about their builds :)

[16:24:07]

achew22:

iamlindoro: should I activate the testing PPA?

[16:24:28]

iamlindoro:

achew22: Don't think so-- that're their software tools, not ours, so I can't tell you anything about their quality or stability

[16:24:32]

iamlindoro:

er that's

[16:24:59]

iamlindoro:

just be sure to pick .23 when prompted and not .24 or whatever it is they call what's actually trunk

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Beirdo:

why can't they call trunk 0.23.1 or something?

[16:25:52]

Saviq:

justinh: no, the XML is fine, see http://pastebin.ca/1879828

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** Beirdo shrugs **

[16:26:38]

Saviq:

the title for starttime 20100610000 becomes "Wojownicy : Szlakami Wielkiej Brytanii"?

[16:26:53]

achew22:

iamlindoro: do you know how often they update the auto-builds?

[16:26:59]

Beirdo:

it's all Polish to me

[16:27:04]

iamlindoro:

whenever there is a change

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iamlindoro:

to the fixes branch

[16:27:29]

Beirdo:

hey, Chrome... wake up!

[16:27:29]

iamlindoro:

with builds being done nightly when eligible

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achew22:

so i'm going to have to constantly update myth now?

[16:29:10]

iamlindoro:

achew22: I don't understand the question-- why would you have to update anything?

[16:29:20]

iamlindoro:

you run the updates, you're in charge

[16:29:24]

achew22:

true

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iamlindoro:

if you don't want to update, don't update

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iamlindoro:

that said, since you are tracking a branch with only critical bugfixes, you'd think you'd want to

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achew22:

are they tracking .23-fixes or head?

[16:30:40]

wagnerrp:

both

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wagnerrp:

there are builds for each

[16:30:53]

iamlindoro:

if you chose .23 when prompted, it's .23 fixes

[16:31:03]

iamlindoro:

if you chose .24 or whatever they decided to put there, it's trunk

[16:31:04]

achew22:

so on .23 I would only get an update when there is a backport of a bugfix?

[16:31:09]

iamlindoro:

correct

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justinh:

why can't they just call trunk *trunk* ?

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achew22:

because they are trying to be user friendly

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justinh:

doing that then they shouldn't be making packages of bleeding edge code :)

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wagnerrp:

have two separate lines of packages, mythtv and mythtv-dev

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** justinh isn't setting out to make new friends at canonical **

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wagnerrp:

and the -dev line never needs naming

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wagnerrp:

just a revision number

[16:35:14]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Because they flow their trunk package into the next releases -fixes

[16:35:21]

iamlindoro:

they track trunk until the branch, then cut over

[16:35:29]

justinh:

I dunno why they even bother. you want newer, build it yerself

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Beirdo:

because... how does trunk sort with 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: that happens automatically?

[16:35:45]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

you dont just stay on with 0.25 at that point?

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iamlindoro:

correct, you do not

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achew22:

sounds like a good reason to me

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justinh:

sounds retarded to me. like it's a big hassle to build trunk from source

[16:38:19]

wagnerrp:

justinh: for people with their Atoms and Vias, it is

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justinh:

let them eat MOARCPU :)

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

small CPU is good... as it means low TDP :)

[16:39:36]

justinh:

well yeah but it's good to have a *capable* CPU lying around

[16:39:37]

Beirdo:

but I compile on an atom, it's not that bad

[16:40:03]

Beirdo:

so it takes a while... so what? Chill and watch TV while it compiles

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wagnerrp:

the dual core version probably only takes an hour

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Beirdo:

about that

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Beirdo:

:)

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justinh:

heh yeah. I built stage1 gentoo on an 800Mhz athlon once

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Beirdo:

that's my fitpc box

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justinh:

that was a nice couple days feet up time

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Beirdo:

dual-core Atom... the GMA500 part hopefully will be getting a bit of love soon

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gbee:

I'm pretty impressed how fast compiling on my Atom is and it's a first gen, bottom of the range one

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wagnerrp:

id be interested to hear how well that runs the opengl painters

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Beirdo:

yeah, we shall see :)

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gbee:

sure it's not nearly as fast as my other machines, but it's better than you'd think from such a weedy CPU

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Beirdo:

it's the vaapi part that will be the fun part

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: love from who?

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Beirdo:

from me

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kormoc:

gbee, how long?

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: you're probably the only one left in that case. :P http://mjg59.livejournal.com/123618.html

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Beirdo:

meh

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kormoc:

-trunk on my core2duo mac min takes ~ 25 minutes to compile

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Beirdo:

Moorestown will be cool though, IIRC it has hardware ENCODING in the chip too

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gbee:

kormoc: never timed it exactly, did a full clean compile last night and I don't think it was more than 30 minutes at most, but I won't swear to it, the perceived time was low and that's all I can say

[16:46:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: xfs_fsr takes a LONG time to run on 500GB disks that are 97% fragmented!!!!!

[16:46:29]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, you don't say? ;)

[16:46:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[16:46:53]

Cool_C:

when browsing in mythvideo only coverart is displayed, not screenshots, even if there is no coverart. is this possible to change? where/how?

[16:46:56]

gbee:

wagnerrp: mine handles the gl painters just fine, but it's got a small, low-res screen (1280x600)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Should I be running them in a cron job on a regular basis – say weekly or even daily?

[16:47:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

(once I get 'caught up' that is...)

[16:47:37]

wagnerrp:

gbee: with what GPU?

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iamlindoro:

Cool_C: The artwork shown is (mostly) set in the theme. IIf you are hoping to have a fallback behavior, you will need to modify code

[16:49:23]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, Aye, and there's a duration option, so you can set it to run a hour nightly and it'll just run for an hour and then stop and continue where it let off the next night

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, I saw that – defaults to 2 hrs.

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gbee:

actually, I can't swear that the ccache cache was empty, so you might take what I said with a pinch of salt – it was previously running a version from just after the 0.22 release, so ffmpeg won't have changed which would knock a substantial amount of time off the compile

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Cool_C:

iamlindoro: thanks. can you tell me where in the theme/which file?

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iamlindoro:

video-ui.xml

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Beirdo:

huh?! netflix is screwed in the head

[16:52:02]

iamlindoro:

you will only be able to go screenshot-only, though, as I mentioned

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gbee:

wagnerrp: some Intel POS, whatever was in the Acer Aspire One

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achew22:

iamlindoro: thank you. TED's looking really good as we speak.

[16:52:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

On a different note, tried to get my Living Room frontend (that only my wife uses) setup with an 8600GS – but 1080i H.264 plays for 1 sec, pauses for 1... even with vdpau enabled... Although come to think of it, that card may only have 256MB. :-(

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iamlindoro:

achew22: np

[16:52:33]

Beirdo:

they haven't seen the movie arrive yet, but they sent one anyways?

[16:52:34]

Cool_C:

so, if it's either one of them, why have two different categories at all?

[16:52:39]

Beirdo:

gbee: likely GMA500 then

[16:52:56]

Beirdo:

that's what's in my Aspire One (11")

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Beirdo:

and in the fitpc

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Beirdo:

err, fit-pc2

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Beirdo:

to be more specific

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Cool_C:

is the screenshots used for something else? if not it seem redundant

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iamlindoro:

Cool_C: sorry, what?

[16:54:18]

iamlindoro:

Screenshots are screenshots, coverart is coverart

[16:54:24]

iamlindoro:

some themers display all relevant pieces of artwork

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Cool_C:

so you can display multiple images per file?

[16:54:50]

iamlindoro:

yes

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Cool_C:

ah. i see

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gbee:

Beirdo: GMA 950

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iamlindoro:

Alternately, you sould do the community oriented thing, go find the missing artwork, and upload it to the relevant metadata source

[16:56:40]

iamlindoro:

and then everybody wins, and you can pull it in and complete your metadata in a couple days

[16:56:43]

gbee:

well that's what some digging suggests, I've not booted it up

[16:56:54]

gbee:

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/embedded/945gse/

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Beirdo:

gbee: ahh, a less crappy intel ;)

[17:03:53]

gbee:

heh, someone selling new A110 for £8, versus my £220 18 months ago ... curse of the early adopter, better hardware came out almost immediately and it's lost it's entire value in almost no time :/

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kormoc:

$8?

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what happens

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gbee:

kormoc: some random site on google, I didn't check out the validity, but it sounds about right :)

[17:06:16]

kormoc:

that's absurdly cheap, can't get a watch for that much

[17:06:44]

iamlindoro:

8? Not 80?

[17:06:44]

gbee:

agreed, the raw materials are probably worth more

[17:06:57]

iamlindoro:

or 180?

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kormoc:

I'll buy a dozen at $8 each

[17:07:38]

kormoc:

($8 + $199 processing and handling)

[17:07:52]

iamlindoro:

heh

[17:08:25]

kormoc:

Act now and we'll double your order for free! (Just pay processing and handling)

[17:09:10]

kormoc:

gbee, got a link to the $8 one?

[17:09:56]

gbee:

http://www.afterdawn.com/products/product_det . . . gb_ssd_linux

[17:10:02]

gbee:

£8

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wagnerrp:

for 20 sheets of photo paper

[17:10:40]

gbee:

I don't actually see a buy link anywhere

[17:10:43]

gbee:

wagnerrp: ?

[17:10:49]

wagnerrp:

10x15cm, premium glossy

[17:10:50]

iamlindoro:

gbee: wow

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wagnerrp:

thats what youre buying for £8.99

[17:11:14]

wagnerrp:

photo paper

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kormoc:

gbee, yeah, they screwed up

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kormoc:

sphery, hey, do you have a good patchset example for adding a new setting?

[17:17:21]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: adding a setting to a mythui settings page, or to an old Qt style one?

[17:17:23]

wagnerrp:

is it possible the 'people' table was never converted to unicode?

[17:17:37]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, to the scheduler settings page in mythfrontend

[17:17:45]

iamlindoro:

k, so that's Qt style

[17:17:51]

sphery:

kormoc: there are no new settings. We've exhausted that resource. Didn't save any for the grandkids.

[17:18:10]

kormoc:

sphery, I'd be perfectly happy having it a hidden sql only toggle, but I doubt others would :P

[17:18:17]

sphery:

heh

[17:18:52]

sphery:

I just copy one of the existing settings classes (i.e. a checkbox or textbox or whatever) from globalsettings.cpp (frontend settings) or backendsettings.cpp (mythtv-setup)

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sphery:

should be pretty straightforward once you find one that's similar to what you need

[17:19:21]

kormoc:

Snazzy

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kormoc:

I want to get my 'Reduce priority by number currently recorded' patch in

[17:19:51]

kormoc:

but I doubt folks would like it hardcoded on :P

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sphery:

kormoc: no need to do anything more--next time you start up mythbackend or mythfrontend, the setting will be stored to the DB (either on a per-host or global basis--depending on your setting type)

[17:20:31]

sphery:

I think you could do that without a setting

[17:20:35]

sphery:

you could make a custom priority

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sphery:

and maybe make it an example clause....

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kormoc:

hrm?

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sphery:

and I know you--of all people--would be ideal for creating the SQL for it :)

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kormoc:

Well, I still want a priority, it's just that it's reduced

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sphery:

see CustomPriority::loadExampleRules() in programs/mythfrontend/custompriority.cpp around line 176

[17:21:54]

sphery:

right, custom priority is meant for modifying prio on the fly

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kormoc:

Huh, I don't know if I've ever known about such a thing, I'll peer at it

[17:22:58]

sphery:

see, like, Prefer a host for live sports with overtime (complete example) for an example that's pulling in info from a couple tables

[17:23:04]

kormoc:

wow

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kormoc:

Why don't we have this in mythweb?!?!

[17:23:21]

sphery:

there's no limits to the lengths I will go to kill new settings! :)

[17:23:26]

** kormoc glares at that lazy kormoc **

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Jay2k1:

so i watch liveTV, and suddenly a movie starts that i'd like to record. i press the "rec" button and myth tells me that it's recording it. in mythweb backend status however, i only see it as "watching liveTV" but not as "recording". now if i exit live tv, will myth continue recording or cancel it?

[17:23:45]

sphery:

well, the MythWeb developer has been "busy with real life" for the last couple years or so, so ...

[17:24:24]

sphery:

kormoc: I have to admit I'm being lazy, too--I've wanted to take the Previously Recorded screen from mythfrontend and add a page to allow the same management from MythWeb.

[17:24:41]

sphery:

Every time I start, I get all lost in the handlers and templates and skins... :)

[17:25:09]

** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

sphery, what functionality is missing?

[17:25:29]

sphery:

I just hate using Previously Recorded to manage my 12071 records in oldrecorded

[17:25:36]

sphery:

we don't have one...

[17:25:41]

sphery:

or did it go in after 0.21?

[17:26:39]

sphery:

kormoc: ah, seems we don't have one in MythWeb... Previously Recorded = oldrecorded (recordings history) not "Recorded Programs" = recorded (current recordings)

[17:26:49]

kormoc:

ahh

[17:27:07]

sphery:

I started to think that you had done it since 0.21 (I'm still on 0.21-fixes for production--about to upgrade now that the season has ended)

[17:27:18]

kormoc:

I don't think so

[17:27:37]

sphery:

yeah, I don't see one in there, yet, so it still needs doing

[17:27:40]

justinh:

sphery: you wouldn't like my idea to use regex to extend recording times then

[17:27:57]

kormoc:

I need to keep poking at these classes here, but in theory, we should have a much simpler way of handling that in the near future

[17:28:09]

sphery:

justinh: heh, yeah, that one I don't think we could even do with a Custom/Power Recording Rule

[17:28:35]

justinh:

if title like "%dr%who%" ...

[17:28:41]

kormoc:

sphery, this power priority is pretty awesome...

[17:28:50]

kormoc:

justinh, way to kill any indexing :)

[17:28:51]

sphery:

kormoc: cool. I noticed you were doing some more work on the PHP classes. I tried to clean up what I could after the ProgramInfo refactor, but I may have missed some

[17:29:08]

sphery:

yeah, Power Priority is very nice for complex cases

[17:29:45]

kormoc:

sphery, Yeah, finally finishing up the details on a bunch of work and getting it in there, Yay for abstraction

[17:30:11]

justinh:

sphery: well I definitely have some ideas to improve custom rules anyway

[17:30:30]

justinh:

setting em up I mean :)

[17:30:34]

kormoc:

too much cruft, too little time

[17:30:42]

sphery:

kormoc: funny, though, that this came up today--just after I closed a ticket that added a new rule type and told the user to use Custom/Power Recording Rules for it. :)

[17:31:39]

sphery:

justinh: that would be wonderful--that screen is basically useless today. Any long text disappears (longer than the box) and the cursor may/may not be movable and we /really/ need a multiline text edit widget

[17:33:18]

sphery:

justinh: also, you can do the regex match on title with Custom/Power Recording Rules. Changing the start/end times dynamically, though, would be harder. Closest you could get, now, would be to make additional Power Recording Rules for each different start early/end late combo you wanted with some criteria that only matches for the appropriate start early/end late

[17:33:32]

justinh:

sphery: I love the idea of custom rules but can't stand having to look at the sql.. no user should ever have to see a query like that IMHO

[17:34:04]

sphery:

agreed... except that I prefer to keep "the kitchen sink" in there rather than try to fit it in the UI

[17:34:20]

sphery:

having 1300 recording rule types would be... 8-|

[17:34:27]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

naw I was thinking more along the lines of having some sort of selectors to choose the stuff

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sphery:

and you know how our users come up with a ton of things that are only useful to them and expect it to go into myth proper

[17:35:24]

sphery:

ah, that would be cool

[17:35:45]

kormoc:

justinh, sorta like mythweb's?

[17:35:55]

justinh:

typing WHERE program.title LIKE "%foobar%" with a remote is like HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

[17:35:55]

sphery:

When I was testing my patch that added the new power recording rule example yesterday, I found the editor completely unusable

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sphery:

I was editing blind

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justinh:

kormoc: yeah more like that

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justinh:

I'm still not entirely happy with searches in general either. Might have a play with having stuff appear in the list dynamically like in other places.. so long as the lookup time isn't prohibitive

[17:37:16]

** Beirdo waits for the inevitable request to replace mythfrontend with mythweb **

[17:37:30]

tzanger:

oh good lord no

[17:37:35]

tzanger:

Beirdo: are you serious, people ask for that?

[17:37:41]

kormoc:

%s/mythweb/python mythweb/

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Beirdo:

I'm sure someone will

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Beirdo:

again

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

Beirdo: I thought we were switching to XMBC (modified to keep the cavalry from appearing)

[17:38:00]

Beirdo:

oh yes, definitely python mythweb

[17:38:05]

tzanger:

do you kick those people square in the nuts?

[17:38:08]

tzanger:

if not, can I/

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Beirdo:

feel free to get in line :)

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kormoc:

tzanger, Mythweb can do everything mythfrontend can do! Except the opengl! and the QT! and the OSD! and the....

[17:38:50]

Beirdo:

kormoc: get to work then :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

tzanger: there was a mailing list thread a couple years back where someone had done just that

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it already does everything, you just have to tell it *exactly* (in php) what you want it to do, tis all

[17:39:21]

sphery:

kormoc: I heard that with HTML5, MythWeb could do everything mythfrontend can do!

[17:39:26]

wagnerrp:

replaced the entirety of mythtv with some perl script running a web server

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kormoc:

oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

a whopping 1700 lines of it

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kormoc:

h264 multislice decoding in javascript worker threads onto a canvas object!

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wagnerrp:

'i dont need a GUI'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: well, I wish them luck with maintaining that :)

[17:40:08]

wagnerrp:

'i dont need recording priorities'

[17:40:12]

wagnerrp:

'i dont need remote playback'

[17:40:22]

wagnerrp:

'i dont need... common sense!'

[17:40:30]

Beirdo:

'i don't need... mythtv'

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justinh:

yeah and the whole thing could be done in flash too :D

[17:40:52]

justinh:

finally an animated swooshy shiny ui !

[17:40:55]

sphery:

tzanger: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428

[17:40:58]

Beirdo:

people like that should just use cron and cat /dev/video > file.mpg with an ivtv card and leave us out of it

[17:40:58]

wagnerrp:

justinh: with some actionscript? ooh... you could have animated flames

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: thats effectively what it was

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myster:

could we have snow at christmas too?

[17:41:32]

tzanger:

wow. just wow

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achew22:

is there a quick way to mark a lot of recordings as watched?

[17:41:36]

Beirdo:

nothing wrong with doing that, but it's hardly a replacement for mythtv :)

[17:41:49]

justinh:

and if the whole UI is flash, do the video playback in flash too.. then people with intel video won't ever have to worry about tearing anymore.. cos there'll be nothing they can do about it

[17:41:50]

wagnerrp:

achew22: ever used python?

[17:41:52]

sphery:

but, Beirdo , he said, "KISS to all you MythTV developers"

[17:42:00]

Beirdo:

!trout lusers tivo

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** MythLogBot slaps lusers with a tivo trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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sphery:

in other words, the problem is that MythTV is just making things too complex--it's unnecessary

[17:42:21]

achew22:

wagnerrp: Yes. Can the bindings do that?

[17:42:26]

Beirdo:

simple solution... use something else then :)

[17:42:28]

justinh:

achew22: I had a patch somewhere to mark playlists as watched.

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sphery:

no need for a DB--plain text, not even XML, files works fine

[17:42:42]

Beirdo:

oMG

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justinh:

achew22: can't remember if I ever sent it in or if it made it in

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sphery:

Times are in UTC. That is all that is needed.

[17:43:02]

wagnerrp:

achew22: import MythTV; db = MythTV.MythDB(); for rec in db.searchRecorded(<your search terms>): rec.update(watched='1')

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justinh:

oh wait no that was for autoexpiry

[17:43:05]

Beirdo:

hehe

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** kormoc sighs **

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sphery:

btw, Captain_Murdoch's reply is well worth reading

[17:43:56]

kormoc:

I need to delete /var/log on my mythbox

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kormoc:

it never recovered after the logrotate multimillion file rm

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sphery:

that's a lot of files

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kormoc:

sphery, logrotate /var/log/* .log { rotateIfEmpty; } is a bad typo

[17:46:15]

kormoc:

(with compress as well tacked on)

[17:46:15]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, that is a classic response :)

[17:46:29]

Beirdo:

that was JUST before I moved to Puerto Rico.

[17:47:55]

kormoc:

sphery, but yeah, after a 3 day rm -rf ls in /var/log takes a hour and a half still and I have to assume it's due to something being odd with the directory node

[17:48:57]

kormoc:

hshs

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kormoc:

*haha

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kormoc:

ls -l /var: drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 168718336 Jun 9 03:15 log

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kormoc:

something is horribly wrong with that node

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Beirdo:

oh good god

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Beirdo:

yeah, it doesn't automatically shrink directory nodes on rm, I don't think

[17:50:08]

Beirdo:

168MB directory. ouch

[17:50:27]

sphery:

lol

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sphery:

kormoc: quit breaking your MythTV box and get that power priority example committed :)

[17:51:34]

achew22:

power priority?

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sphery:

yeah, adjusts priority for recording rule matches dynamically

[17:52:01]

achew22:

ooh...

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sphery:

he's adding a new example that allows decreasing priority based on how many episodes you already have recorded

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achew22:

so it does learning on how you watch?

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sphery:

that's a different thing--"Automatic Priority"

[17:53:10]

sphery:

it adjusts priority based on how soon after initial airing you watch the show

[17:53:32]

sphery:

custom priority is used to affect priority, for example, if the show is only shown once in the listings

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sphery:

or for movies made after 2008 or ...

[17:54:04]

sphery:

basically things like that

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kormoc:

achew22, mine is for example, you have show A at +2 and show B at +3, there's a marathon of show A and B, rather then having it all show B, it'll record one B, B now is +2 (matching A), record A (A goes to +1) record B (B goes to +1) and so on, evens out the recording rather then being all of one

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achew22:

very cool

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Beirdo:

nice

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tzanger:

that's quite the email thread... wow

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sphery:

tzanger: it was a lot of fun when it was in progress

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sphery:

I think I wrote up at leat 5 replies that I never sent

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kormoc:

Mad Dog Murdoch was the thread winner

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

he should put a picture of him and his soap box race car on the wiki

[17:58:25]

kormoc:

hehe

[17:59:02]

kormoc:

I wonder if the A-Team ever used a soap box car

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sphery:

You can find out in the movie!

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kormoc:

Indeed!

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marc-us:

Thanks and cya guys later.

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keld:

can I watch TV from the internet via mythtv? eg from dr.dk svt.se or bbc.co.uk ?

[18:09:42]

kormoc:

keld, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision

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achew22:

keld: it depends. If the providers provide RSS feeds to unencrypted forms of their material then yes and it is very easy. If they have something like the BBC iPlayer it is more difficult. I don't live in the UK so I can't test it but I've heard that MythNetvision works with BBC's iPlayer and others.

[18:10:19]

Azelphur:

that looks like fun

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keld:

ok, I need to install mythnetvision, and then make grabbers for the stations I want to watch

[18:18:53]

keld:

can I use other players in stead of flash, eg mplayer or vlc?

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eZ:

hi. Can someone helpme ?

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kormoc:

eZ, you need to tell us what you need help with first

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achew22:

ez: ask your question and you will probably get some help

[18:24:26]

eZ:

lol .. i am feeling like a newbie now .. so

[18:24:41]

eZ:

i just upgraded from 0.21 to 0.22 on my gentoo box

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achew22:

ez: everyone has to start somewhere so don't feel bad

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Azelphur:

lol I'm just trying out mythnetvision myself

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Azelphur:

installed it from synaptic on mythbuntu, options like bbc iplayer are missing, youtube is there though :(

[18:25:57]

eZ:

i always used mplayer as alternate player to my local library .. so, after the upgrade, the syntax mplayer -profile tv %s that i used as player on 0.21 now put myth://url@video and a get a error ...

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eZ:

there is a way to remove it and just play the flat filename ? I did not found an option to do that

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achew22:

ez: is there a reason you're sticking with .21 or .22 over .23?

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RDV_Linux:

Azelphur and keld: Read the MNV wiki especially about exiting out of a flash video. It will save you confusion. Flash steals focus.

[18:27:35]

Azelphur:

yea, I read that

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Azelphur:

don't see why we are using flash for youtube though, you can just grab the mp4

[18:28:34]

Azelphur:

my main problem however is that I'm missing iplayer from my list of sources

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eZ:

achew22: yes .. on gentoo the ohter packages, like mythvideo still on .22 ... so I get a lot of confusion because this .. and I do not want to install by myself over the official distro packages ...

[18:29:23]

eZ:

achew22: I just want to use mplayer on .22 whithout the url@ prefix

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kormoc:

Azelphur, as per the wiki page, iplayer is a 0.24 (aka trunk) only source

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Azelphur:

ah

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kormoc:

eZ, you would need to move your videos from the storage group and have them in the old group style, but this isn't something we are going to support in the future

[18:32:44]

wagnerrp:

Azelphur: do you see any link to the mp4? do you see anything that documents were allowed to hit the mp4 directly?

[18:32:57]

eZ:

kormoc: i did not configured any storage group ... i just put the directory on the video settings

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: totem seems to handle it

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eZ:

kormoc: it is all using default choices ...

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: if google specifically allows us to access the video directly, the grabber can be altered to allow for that

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, mp4 are used for the ipod/iphone/ipad, it's a url option and easy enough to use

[18:34:20]

wagnerrp:

but if that is some undocumented thing, only intended for apple devices, its best to continue using flash

[18:34:21]

Azelphur:

I wonder if they do.

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** Azelphur noses around a bit **

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: oh, I just thought of something that certainly isn't undocumented, the youtube html 5 setup :)

[18:35:58]

Azelphur:

would that be viable?

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Azelphur:

http://www.youtube.com/html5

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wagnerrp:

when mythbrowser gets updated to support html5, sure

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if the existing webkit libraries support video

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Azelphur:

cool, but you could just rip the <video> tag out of the page

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Azelphur:

would be pretty robust

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wagnerrp:

again, that depends on the TOS

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Azelphur:

yea, I'll try and find out about that

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: I went and checked it out, while it appears streaming direct from the MP4 is against the ToS, I did find something of use, we could use this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylLzyHk54Z0#t=3m26s

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Azelphur:

Chromeless player, no buttons, all controllable through an API, it could be embedded into mythtv really nicely

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Azelphur:

so, all we'd need to do is map all the api functions to the standard remote functions, then call the chromeless player and fullscreen it

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Azelphur:

in theory :)

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TUplink:

what is the best way to download trailers?

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TUplink:

to play b4 mythvideo

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kormoc:

TUplink, find a source that allows us to download trailers?

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TUplink:

LOL

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kormoc:

it's sorta a requirement...

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TUplink:

the apple thing dosnt work cus its against the TOS?

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kormoc:

yup

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kormoc:

For some reason they don't want folks watching their advertising

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Beirdo:

heh, no mythquicktime on the horizon?

[19:00:59]

TUplink:

lol well Apple dosnt own them and probably makes nothing off of it

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kormoc:

It's not just them, even on the studio's sites, you're only allowed to watch them embedded in the page

[19:03:19]

Beirdo:

TOS... Tons of Stupidity

[19:03:28]

Beirdo:

but nonetheless, we need to behave

[19:03:41]

Azelphur:

behaving is boring :(

[19:03:47]

Beirdo:

true.

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Azelphur:

we should totally just build usenet streaming with a nice search engine straight into mythtv

[19:04:12]

Azelphur:

problem solved (tm)

[19:04:12]

Azelphur:

xD

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skd5aner:

re: Movie trailers, this looks interesting – http://api.internetvideoarchive.com/

[19:04:34]

skd5aner:

haven't read the details yet

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kormoc:

Azelphur, that's hardly following the TOS

[19:04:46]

Azelphur:

obviously :)

[19:05:12]

Azelphur:

kormoc: did you notice my youtube idea that wasn't violating the ToS?

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kormoc:

Azelphur, yup

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Azelphur:

cool :)

[19:05:28]

kormoc:

Azelphur, patches welcome

[19:05:45]

Azelphur:

brb going to university and learning to program well enough to submit a patch to mythtv

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skd5aner:

ahh, here's the TOS – http://api.internetvideoarchive.com/Terms.aspx

[19:08:18]

skd5aner:

might be possible to implement that MNV style with a grabber or something

[19:08:32]

kormoc:

the account stuff might be a problem

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kormoc:

as we won't likely be allowed to ship with a generic one

[19:10:55]

skd5aner:

kormoc: not sure, it does mention "website and application" in the documentation, but I don't really know any details...

[19:11:04]

skd5aner:

kind of nice though, it does TV previews too

[19:11:13]

skd5aner:

games, music

[19:11:22]

kormoc:

skd5aner, yeah, could work, but likely would have to contact them about the open source nature of the project

[19:12:05]

skd5aner:

yup, that is if someone were to take it upon themselves to go down that path :)

[19:12:35]

skd5aner:

their forums don't have a ton of posts on them, so not a lot of info to weed through

[19:13:36]

skd5aner:

eh, they also do adds before playback :/ http://www.videodetective.com

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skd5aner:

another – http://www.traileraddict.com/trailerapi

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skd5aner:

that one is interesting, because it doesn't require an API-key

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coolblue:

hi

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coolblue:

I have a fresh install with ubuntu 10.04 and 0.23. I have made a scan with dvb-s and found about 800 channels via Astra Satelite. Many programs are not decryptable or viewable. When I select one of these channels, the frontend crashes. Is this a normal behaviour?

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kormoc:

they shouldn't have been added if they're encrypted

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coolblue:

okey.. I think it is so as you have said.. but there are channel that can lock, but not viewed, I don't know why. I don't know this senders, because there are in a foreign language and I am new to dvb-s

[19:26:10]

coolblue:

If I select such a channel, I cannot switch back to another. I must kill mythfrontend.real. When I go in, he selects this channel again and crashes again.. its a loop

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wagnerrp:

TUplink: right now, you can pull trailers from Miro, or off the optical media you ripped the movie from

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wagnerrp:

or if you pay for quicktime pro, you may be able to download off apple, i think it is allowed to save streams to disk

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coolblue:

is there a channel info screen? signal, noise, ber, bitrate and so on… like dbox2 neutrino ?

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wagnerrp:

f7 i believe

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coolblue:

no reaction when I press f7 in livetv mode

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think i heard it was alt-f7

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coolblue:

hmm in mythweb… monitor signal quality = alt+f7

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coolblue:

but there is no reaction when I press the combination

[20:08:04]

coolblue:

ah gnome window manage uses this key

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Beirdo:

snicker

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coolblue:

S/N 2.1db is this ok or to low?

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noisymouse_:

I'm having a problem where I've told my backend to run on localhost but when I do telnet localhost 6543 (on the same computer) I get Connection Refused

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noisymouse_:

and I'm also not able to connect from the frontend to the backend

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coolblue:

look in the backend.log

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coolblue:

it could be a mysql connection problem

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coolblue:

wrong pw or so

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noisymouse_:

where do I set the database for the backend?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup

[21:02:40]

wagnerrp:

check your backend log

[21:02:49]

wagnerrp:

it will explain why its not listening on that socket

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noisymouse_:

yeah, I checked the backend and saw it's not connecting to the database

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coolblue:

mythtv-setup is not enough

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noisymouse_:

but I don't see where to change that setting

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coolblue:

go in etc mythtv

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coolblue:

edit mysql.txt and config.xml

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup /is/ enough

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wagnerrp:

it edits those for you

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coolblue:

not on my boxes… i don't know why

[21:04:14]

wagnerrp:

are you running it as the same user that runs the backend?

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noisymouse_:

coolblue: what should I put, those files are empty

[21:04:24]

noisymouse_:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

pastebin the first couple hundred lines of your backend log

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coolblue:

ubuntu: sudo mythtv-setup… it will edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt not in etc

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noisymouse_:

I have to be superuser?

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: thats what it is supposed to edit

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wagnerrp:

and thats what mythbackend is supposed to be using

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coolblue:

but the backend reads in /etc/ when it is started via init.d

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wagnerrp:

the only reason why it would use something else is if your init scripts change $HOME to be somewhere other than your home directory

[21:06:27]

wagnerrp:

in which case they should wrap mythtv-setup as well, to set the proper HOME there too

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noisymouse_:

do I need to restart mythbackend for the changes to take effect?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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coolblue:

I dont know what the init scripts do.. its ubuntu 10.04 and it wans't working out of the box.. I must manually edit these to scripts to get work

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wagnerrp:

consider anything you do in mythtv-setup requires a restart of the backend

[21:09:23]

noisymouse_:

ok, it's still not working, but the backend is now properly connecting with the database (I think

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noisymouse_:

)

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coolblue:

okey :-)

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noisymouse_:

here's my log: http://pastebin.com/Hxn78ga0

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noisymouse_:

do I also neeed to run mythfilldatabase after using the backend (I haven't edited channels)

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coolblue:

wrong pw says the logs

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coolblue:

acces denied

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wagnerrp:

because it cant find the config file, or the backend itself over upnp

[21:12:50]

wagnerrp:

run 'HOME=/etc/mythtv mythtv-setup'

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coolblue:

HOME etc mytv ?? it will generate a .mythtv dir inside mythtv or not?

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wagnerrp:

it alters the HOME path in the environment to the same location your init scripts apparently have

[21:14:32]

wagnerrp:

so mythtv-setup will store the files in the proper location

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coolblue:

hmm

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noisymouse_:

hey, it worked... I think I might file a bug report though

[21:17:08]

wagnerrp:

thats certainly not a mythtv bug

[21:17:17]

noisymouse_:

no, a bug with gentoo

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wagnerrp:

the gentoo init script does indeed reset HOME to /etc/mythtv

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coolblue:

hmm most daemons first reads in /etc/dir than in ~/.dir.

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coolblue:

and when mythbackend is called as root.. it could/should use /etc/mythtv… so I think it is mythtv bug, too

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wagnerrp:

when backend is called as root, it should still read from ~/.mythtv/

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achew22:

coolblue: it should read from /root/.mythtv

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wagnerrp:

its not a bug when its intended behavior

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coolblue:

so the init.d script which starts the daemon should read his config from a home dir?!? thats not linux like.. all dameon configs are in /etc

[21:22:08]

wagnerrp:

no, the init.d script doesnt read anything

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noisymouse_:

I'm having another problem: the video during livetv is squished

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend reads from his home dir

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wagnerrp:

and for what its worth, mythtv doesnt store any config in any file

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achew22:

wagnerrp: my mythbackend is a girl

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noisymouse_:

lol

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wagnerrp:

the /only/ thing it stores outside the database is how to access the database

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wagnerrp:

hmm.... i thought i typed 'its' there

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coolblue:

yes the daemon reads his config itself.. sure.. but it is not usual the daemons read his configs from root home dir, when it is startet via init.d

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wagnerrp:

the reason it reads from its home dir is because you can set a value to override the name it uses for indexing in the database

[21:24:36]

wagnerrp:

by default it uses the hostname

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wagnerrp:

if you specify that value, you can have multiple configurations on a single system

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wagnerrp:

if everything is pulling from /etc/mythtv, that doesnt work

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wagnerrp:

noisymouse_: you could make the case that mythtv-setup should be wrapped similar to how ubuntu does it

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wagnerrp:

or that the ebuild should have some ewarn text to inform the user that they need to set the HOME as such

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coolblue:

okey.. but why I should start multiple backends? you mean multiple frontends… and of cource, whren I start a frontend with user privleges on shell or gnome.. it should use my home dir config, not etc… I only say, the backend should read it from etc WHEN it is startet via init.d

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wagnerrp:

it is, thats why the init.d script resets HOME

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achew22:

coolblue: you may not want to start multiple backends but the devs want to be able to run multiple backends and since they are writing code thats the way it is.

[21:28:15]

wagnerrp:

it all comes down to the fact that its intended behavior

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coolblue:

yes.. but the problem is, mythtv-setup don't use /etc when it is startet via sudo

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wagnerrp:

it may not follow proper procedure, but its not a bug either

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, nothing on my system reads from /etc/*

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wagnerrp:

programs all pull from /usr/local/etc/*

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noisymouse_:

so umm my aspect ratio isn't right

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coolblue:

hmm.. achew22: I think the usability for user should have a higher prioritie as of an developer that have deep knowledge of the system

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: blame the gentoo packagers for screwing things up

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wagnerrp:

if they had just left HOME as it were, there would be no problem

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achew22:

coolblue: It's true that user orientation is a good thing but most users don't blast away their init.d file and try to write their own

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noisymouse_:

4:3 programs display like 16:9 and 16:9 are extra extra wide

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wagnerrp:

noisymouse_: what resolution is your display running at?

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coolblue:

in TV properties setup you can select with aspect ration your tv have, and with auto or manual zoom is the default

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noisymouse_:

1366x768

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noisymouse_:

but I'm using xrandr with a display that's 1920x1200

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wagnerrp:

why arent you running native?

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noisymouse_:

anyway, I set geometry to 1366x768

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noisymouse_:

running native?

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wagnerrp:

native resolution

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noisymouse_:

I have 2 displays, both at native resolutions

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noisymouse_:

the one I use mythfrontend on is 1366x768, the other one is 1920x1200

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wagnerrp:

so then youre probably running with a virtual screen at 4096x4096?

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noisymouse_:

umm, virtual is 3286x1200

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wagnerrp:

with xrandr, you generally run a virtual at much higher than your physical space

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wagnerrp:

so that the system has somewhere to place any additional monitor you add

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wagnerrp:

the virtual space must be defined when the X server is started

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wagnerrp:

and is not changeable

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noisymouse_:

yeah

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noisymouse_:

so is my virtual size messing up mythfrontend?

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wagnerrp:

possibly, i dont know

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noisymouse_:

well it got it almost right by setting the aspect override to 4:3

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noisymouse_:

it's still a little stretched though :/

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

if I didn't have a nasty headache, I might go dig out my old mythbox

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, dig it out?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

it's in a box

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Why?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Why isn't it adding to your life?

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Beirdo:

because it got shipped here from my old home

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Oh

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Beirdo:

and arrived only a few days back

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Beirdo:

:)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Where did you move to?

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kormoc:

moving 5,000 miles is no excuse

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coolblue:

hmm after 10 minutes of looking livetv the livetv stopped… and I get the error message "video frame buffergin failed too many times" Is there anyone that knows what it is?

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kormoc:

especially when it took me 4 months when I moved 30 mile

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kormoc:

coolblue, read the logs and see why it failed?

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

so at that rate, I have a few years :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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coolblue:

kormoc: on client or server?

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Beirdo:

moved from Puerto Rico to Seattle

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kormoc:

coolblue, both

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noisymouse_:

so futurama is coming back on the 24th of june

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coolblue:

oh sorry.. my old problem.. not enough hdd space… okey it was HD :-)

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coolblue:

Is there anyone that have knowledge about hd+ from germany?

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noisymouse_:

hard drive from germany or person from germany who has knowledge of hard drives?

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coolblue:

HD+ Television. not harddisc :-)

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noisymouse_:

ah, sry can't help you

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coolblue:

it have a basic encryption

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coolblue:

for 50 € per year

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coolblue:

I would buy it, when I have a solution to use it with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports use of hardware CI modules

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coolblue:

is it compatible with Smargo SmartReader via USB ?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, we cant use anything like that over here in the states

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wagnerrp:

conditional access isnt good enough for our providers, we need full blown DRM over here

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coolblue:

no problem… you have HDTV with MPEG2 or is it switched over to H.264 ?

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wagnerrp:

all mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

technically ATSC supports h264, but there are no devices that could decode it, so no one broadcasts it

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coolblue:

HD+ in Germany is a think like DRM, too.. The senders could say if you must see the advertisment and they could say if you can record it.. and so on...

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coolblue:

there are enough hardware that supports h264… order it from the EU :-)

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wagnerrp:

ah yes... CI+

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wagnerrp:

no go with that one

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wagnerrp:

youve got the same problem as us... external STB and HDPVR

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, which is clunky.

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coolblue:

parallel with the chat I have read in germanys streamboard and it could eventually work with smargo smartreader

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noisymouse_:

ugh, cannot edit channels while watching them any more?

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wagnerrp:

CI was just a basic CAM, limited you to recording content you were authorized to

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Noisymouse, apparently not. I haven't seen that feature in a bit

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wagnerrp:

CI+ is DRM, restricts the content after you have recorded it

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noisymouse_:

that's annoying

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noisymouse_:

I guess I can use phpmyadmin while watching at least

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wagnerrp:

meaning it will only pass unencrypted content to an authorized device

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wagnerrp:

noisymouse_: better to use mythweb

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coolblue:

drm sucks… because I will see free-TV… the basic encryption sucks… no paytv illegal hack or so.. only free tv :-(

[22:00:16]

Beirdo:

mmmmm, iced coffee

[22:00:49]

wagnerrp:

yes, DRM sucks, it only exists to lock out the paying subscriber

[22:01:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, amen

[22:01:35]

noisymouse_:

wagnerrp: oh nvm, my frontend was just erroring out, I can edit while watching

[22:01:40]

coolblue:

they earn enough money with advertisment.. there is no logic to do a basic encryption over satelite

[22:01:55]

Beirdo:

DRM -> Don't Read Me

[22:02:01]

coolblue:

hihi

[22:02:40]

kormoc:

coolblue, so start your own company and do it right

[22:02:48]

coolblue:

yeah :-)

[22:03:42]

coolblue:

Can I see the bitrate and the resolution of a livetv channel?

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coolblue:

its late… 4 am.. i will go to bed.. goodnight

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dsfwea23:

hey all, can mythtv FE -> BE work across subnets?

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dsfwea23:

I thought I saw in the logs it was using upnp, which IIRC doesn't work across subnets. :-/

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upgrdman:

i got everything working with mythtv and my pchdtv3000 tuner, played with some setting, restarted, and now i cant watch tv :( stupid me. i don't know what i messed up. i get this error: TV Error: HandleStateChange(): LiveTV not successfully started ... and i can scan for channels successfully so the tuner seems to be working fine, i just cant watch tv

[22:14:59]

sphery:

which you seem to have just found :)

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upgrdman:

:)

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sphery:

upgrdman: my recommendation is to go to Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen and change the Playback Profile group to Slim

[22:16:01]

upgrdman:

the only thing i can think of that i changed was the directories to save stuff to. i set it to /data/mythtv which is on my 2TB drive... and that directory has 777 permissions so i dont think that should be a problem

[22:16:03]

sphery:

if that doesn't help, we'll need to see mythbackend log output

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upgrdman:

ok, i will try

[22:16:31]

sphery:

oh, and please use pastebin.com for the log output :)

[22:18:35]

upgrdman:

changed to slim, still not working :(

[22:18:47]

upgrdman:

where is my myth log?

[22:18:57]

sphery:

probably /var/log or /var/log/mythtv directory

[22:18:59]

wagnerrp:

usually /var/log or /var/log/mythtv

[22:19:09]

sphery:

wow, I was first! :D

[22:19:21]

upgrdman:

:) which log, frontend?

[22:19:22]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i just sat down

[22:19:28]

sphery:

mythbackend first

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sphery:

yeah, that's the only way I can win... when you give me a head start

[22:20:26]

upgrdman:

backend log:

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upgrdman:

http://pastebin.com/gHwbd4zm

[22:20:52]

wagnerrp:

you have no capture cards

[22:20:55]

upgrdman:

hum, line 14 the problem?

[22:21:00]

upgrdman:

just noticed.

[22:21:03]

wagnerrp:

35

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sphery:

we're way below that

[22:21:06]

upgrdman:

weird, i just scanned channels too

[22:21:11]

wagnerrp:

yeah, 14 too

[22:21:13]

sphery:

4513 is the first line of the latest run

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sphery:

you're definitely using a broken Storage Groups configuration

[22:21:36]

sphery:

2010-06–09 19:13:23.545 AutoExpire: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty

[22:21:43]

sphery:

L4533

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wagnerrp:

file permissions

[22:21:52]

sphery:

TFW, Error: Opening file '/data/mythtv/1051_20100609191333.mpg'.

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sphery:

eno: Permission denied (13)

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wagnerrp:

either the directory doesnt exist, or the backend doesnt have write access

[22:22:03]

upgrdman:

drwxrwxrwx 2 upgrdman upgrdman 4096 2010-06–09 19:10 mythtv

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sphery:

yeah--see, you were first

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upgrdman:

that is /data/mythtv

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upgrdman:

and that dir is currently empty

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sphery:

upgrdman: ls -ld /data

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upgrdman:

upgrdman@Farrell:~$ ls -ld /data

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upgrdman:

drwx------ 21 upgrdman upgrdman 4096 2010-06–08 22:25 /data

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wagnerrp:

theres the problem

[22:22:57]

sphery:

that's likely the problem

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upgrdman:

?

[22:23:06]

sphery:

sudo chmod 755 /data

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wagnerrp:

you need execute access for anyone who wants to be able to enter that directory

[22:23:14]

wagnerrp:

thats the 'x'

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upgrdman:

o

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upgrdman:

so the perms for /data/mythtv dont matter if the perms for /data are too restrictive?

[22:23:38]

sphery:

so unless you're running mythbackend as upgrdman, it can't even get to /data/mythtv --let alone try to create a file in that

[22:23:53]

upgrdman:

oh

[22:23:55]

sphery:

exactly... can't use /data/mythtv if you can't even get into /data

[22:24:02]

upgrdman:

silly me :) thanks

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sphery:

y/w... Let us know if you have any other issues

[22:24:44]

dsfwea23:

anyone know if mythtv FE can access a BE on another local subnet? Ie BE 10.0.0.1, FE 192.168.1.1

[22:24:53]

upgrdman:

fixed! thanks everyone!

[22:25:04]

sphery:

enjoy

[22:25:06]

wagnerrp:

dsfwea23: works just fine, if you have proper routing set up

[22:25:17]

sphery:

dsfwea23: and sufficient bandwidth

[22:25:35]

upgrdman:

one problem i have is mythtv is stuck behind my two gnome panels ... i googled and this seems common

[22:25:35]

dsfwea23:

It's lan->wifi (100Mbit N)

[22:25:54]

wagnerrp:

wifi doesnt really cut it for streaming video

[22:25:59]

sphery:

finally learned my lesson--don't try to type faster than wagnerrp, just type the 2nd part of the response first :)

[22:26:01]

upgrdman:

the issues seems to be screen effects but i would prefer not to disable them all, anyone know which one messes myth up

[22:26:05]

dsfwea23:

the WAP has a "upnp" setting, but I read that there was problems with subnets

[22:26:20]

wagnerrp:

hehe

[22:26:47]

wagnerrp:

the 'UPNP' on your router is intended for programs to request open ports

[22:26:51]

sphery:

dsfwea23: we don't use UPnP, but mythbackend advertises itself as a UPnP server for other clients to use

[22:26:56]

wagnerrp:

generally when the router is acting as a NAT or firewall

[22:27:07]

sphery:

so you don't need UPnP

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dsfwea23:

sphery, ah, I see, just noticed it in the logs when I ran the FE

[22:27:56]

sphery:

upgrdman: got a better description of the "screen effects"? is this while using the Slim profile?

[22:28:05]

dsfwea23:

I wish I didn't need wifi, but can't run wire. :(

[22:28:23]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i assume he means stuff like Compiz

[22:28:48]

sphery:

ahhh....

[22:28:51]

dsfwea23:

is there any settings in myth that can help cope with wifi? Like a larger buffer/etc?

[22:28:54]

sphery:

yeah, I'd disable it all

[22:28:59]

sphery:

(Compiz)

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upgrdman:

:/ ok

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upgrdman:

from the program guide, how do i schedule programs? (can i?)

[22:31:24]

sphery:

R

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sphery:

or M (MENU)

[22:31:49]

sphery:

or, if the show's start is >16min from now, Space/Enter (SELECT)

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sphery:

R requires you to hit multiple times until you've selected the desired rule type (all episodes, single record, etc.)

[22:32:27]

sphery:

M is easiest

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sphery:

always works

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rebeltiger:

hello

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rebeltiger:

helloan anyone tell me if mythtv supports the hauppauge wintv 950

[22:33:32]

rebeltiger:

can*

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upgrdman:

if im not watch tv i can schedule recording and do the options that records all showings of a program whenever it comes on, i can do that through the program guide?

[22:34:48]

sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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rebeltiger:

ty

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wagnerrp:

rebeltiger: you really want the 950Q, rather than the 950

[22:35:22]

rebeltiger:

i have owned 950 for years

[22:35:27]

rebeltiger:

unfortunately

[22:35:40]

sphery:

upgrdman: you mean where do you find the non-Live-TV program guide? Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide (or something like that)

[22:35:56]

upgrdman:

exactly

[22:36:10]

upgrdman:

can i do that with watching tv? :)

[22:36:38]

sphery:

I'm loving Beirdo's !url stuff... That was much easier than the Ctrl-N followed by linuxtv.org followed by tab (to select the page from history)

[22:37:11]

sphery:

upgrdman: OK, so to find the in-Live-TV program guide, hit M (MENU), then find Program Guide

[22:37:37]

sphery:

there's another key that goes directly to it--I think S (but M generally lets you find stuff)

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upgrdman:

ya i can get there

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Beirdo:

heh

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rebeltiger:

looks like it SHOULD work.... do i need the card attached via usb on boot or should it work just by hotplugging

[22:38:24]

upgrdman:

but if i am not watching tv, if i press enter while a show is highlighted i can set recording options. pressing enter while watching tv just retunes to that channel instead of letting me set recording options

[22:39:15]

sphery:

upgrdman: yeah, that's what I said above... R, or M (MENU), or, if the show's start is >16min from now, Space/Enter (SELECT). R requires you to hit multiple times until you've selected the desired rule type (all episodes, single record, etc.). M is easiest. always works.

[22:39:41]

sphery:

i.e. use M since you've selected something that's currently airing... then find something about Record this Show or whatever

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sphery:

Schedule Recording... something--should be labelled well enough

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upgrdman:

oh.. i didnt try the edit schedule option.

[22:41:00]

sphery:

that's it... sorry--couldn't remember the name

[22:41:18]

sphery:

I don't do Live TV, so last time I saw it was when I was fixing a bug in it

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upgrdman:

:)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: So, I'm watch the V recap episode, "The Arrival," and Charlie Sheen still hasn't appeared in it? And no Arecibo radio telescope, either.

[22:43:29]

wagnerrp:

ive actually seen that movie....

[22:43:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:43:45]

sphery:

yeah, it wsa pretty good

[22:43:53]

Beirdo:

I've been to the radio observatory... twice

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sphery:

I'm jealous

[22:44:17]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, did you spot any alien radio waves?

[22:44:20]

Beirdo:

and commuted within a few miles of it daily for almost 2 years

[22:44:22]

wagnerrp:

did you get to slide down the side?

[22:44:29]

Beirdo:

hehe, no and no

[22:44:40]

sphery:

all I've done is 5000 classic work units and almost 2.5M BOINC credits for them

[22:44:55]

sphery:

and they never even invited me for a visit

[22:45:08]

sphery:

all I got was this lousy electric bill

[22:45:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jeepers... vdpau is very unforgiving when it comes to atsc signal issues...

[22:45:53]

sphery:

yes, that happens when you're decoding real-world garbage in a kernel driver

[22:45:57]

sphery:

and hardware

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sphery:

but, hey, it's cool that we got the option--just as soon as it was no longer required :)

[22:46:48]

upgrdman:

are the themes for download on the mythtv site the same ones that come with mythtv?

[22:47:04]

sphery:

upgrdman: did you use a package manager to install?

[22:47:13]

wagnerrp:

most of them are available in the myththemes directory

[22:47:25]

wagnerrp:

there are a couple additional 3rd party ones linked there

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upgrdman:

ya, ubuntu's

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hehehe... I hate to say it, but perhaps we need "another' option to only feed vdpau stuff that's not mpeg2... ;-)

[22:47:35]

sphery:

if so, then as long as you have mythtv and myththemes packages, you probably have all of them that are available in MythTV's source distro

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, the idea of adding a CODEC criteria to the Playback Profiles has been floated--unfortunately, it's still not come to the top of anyone's TODO, yet

[22:48:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

understood. ;-)

[22:49:11]

sphery:

(but patched greatly appreciated ;)

[22:49:13]

wagnerrp:

just think of how complex those things would grow

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dsfwea23:

I've got a problem with mythtv locking up ( http://pastebin.com/XExmSKpG ) It locks up when I try to play any of the chapters, dvd menus work though. The same DVD works on other mythth FE.

[22:49:15]

sphery:

er, patches

[22:49:29]

wagnerrp:

would almost require the web setup to do properly

[22:49:52]

upgrdman:

whats the diff between ui and osd themes?

[22:49:53]

sphery:

dsfwea23: you almost definitely need to upgrade to current 0.23-fixes... What's the output of: mythbackend --version

[22:50:01]

wagnerrp:

the UI is the user interface

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sphery:

upgrdman: OSD themes are during playback

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sphery:

heh, part 2 :)

[22:50:20]

upgrdman:

1 theme does not cover both? ok

[22:50:34]

sphery:

upgrdman: not yet! :) In 0.24, it will be a combined theme

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upgrdman:

cool

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sphery:

adding more consistency

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wagnerrp:

is it actually a combined theme? or does the UI theme just suggest an OSD theme?

[22:51:13]

sphery:

combined--no more OSD theme option

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dsfwea23:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/Xd8fhkLF

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dsfwea23:

sphery, using ubuntu 10.04 and 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

hmmm... that's relatively new. I don't remember when the DVD fixes went in

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

What other excitement should I be hoping for in 0.24?

[22:52:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

HD audio.

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dsfwea23:

FE: MythTV Version : 24879

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J-e-f-f-A:

ie: much better/full HD audio support.

[22:53:07]

sphery:

dsfwea23: I'm not sure what it could be, then

[22:53:08]

dsfwea23:

I have the auto builds on the FE with 24879, but another FE with 24158 works

[22:53:27]

sphery:

so 24879 doesn't work, but 24158 does?

[22:53:27]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, Faster, less memory using mythweb with a new skin that (if I do say so myself) looks sharp and a cache engine

[22:53:30]

sphery:

same disc and all?

[22:53:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

GadgetWisdomGuru: bulk metadata update in mythvideo... lots of great stuff.

[22:53:46]

wagnerrp:

previously, mythtv could play HD audio codecs (or the lesser core stream contained within them), now mythtv will actually output at high frequency and bitlevel

[22:53:56]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: lots of good MythWeb stuff--including an awesome new skin and caching support

[22:54:15]

dsfwea23:

sphery, yes. I have hundreds of DVDs that work on the "problem" FE, only stargate season 2 DVDs have problems.

[22:54:16]

wagnerrp:

the caching make it several times faster

[22:54:31]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Much excitement.

[22:54:48]

sphery:

I have Stargate Season 2 DVD's, but don't have MythTV set up to be able to play them

[22:54:49]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Caching makes sense though. The data doesn't change that much on upcoming recordings or recorded programs.

[22:55:03]

sphery:

great show, btw (whichever Stargate show you're talking about)

[22:55:13]

wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: its more that mythweb no longer has to reprocess the whole group on each request

[22:55:28]

wagnerrp:

within a certain amount of time, it simply pulls the cache

[22:55:32]

wagnerrp:

its still all server side

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dsfwea23:

I'm playing them via NFS and mythvideo if it mattes. Both FE are using VDPAU, and ubuntu 10.04.

[22:55:52]

sphery:

dsfwea23: and no storage groups?

[22:56:09]

dsfwea23:

sphery, only for TV, dvds are all done via NFS since they are all ISOs

[22:56:10]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, mythweb wasn't written originally with caching in mind, it's taken a lot of work to get it into a state where we can cache things without having it explode, we're finally there :)

[22:56:21]

sphery:

dsfwea23: hmmm... I don't know, then

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sphery:

might need tweaks for that DVD set

[22:56:31]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, if you, in theory, only spur an update to the cached version when something in the schedule changes, then you could reduce that even more.

[22:56:54]

dsfwea23:

sphery, tweaks?

[22:57:04]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I've never looked how the scheduling system works in that regard?

[22:57:09]

wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: that would require a resident daemon to listen for updates from the backend and update the cache

[22:57:18]

sphery:

yeah, the DVD may be doing something that we don't handle, so MythTV's Internal player may need some fixes for it

[22:57:39]

dsfwea23:

sphery, seems very odd that the newer fixes doesn't work and the old one does.

[22:57:42]

sphery:

and who wants to invite a daemon to reside in their system?

[22:57:45]

wagnerrp:

dsfwea23: is this trunk or fixes?

[22:57:45]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, didn't MythTV just get an event system? Why does it need a daemon?

[22:58:00]

sphery:

dsfwea23: yeah... forgot that (it's getting late here :)

[22:58:05]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm speaking theoretically. I've never looked at most of the Myth code.

[22:58:06]

sphery:

so, might just be a bug

[22:58:06]

dsfwea23:

wagnerrp, MythTV Version : 24879

[22:58:13]

sphery:

or could be a config issue...

[22:58:13]

wagnerrp:

dsfwea23: is this trunk or fixes?

[22:58:23]

sphery:

but either way, I don't have any guesses

[22:58:27]

dsfwea23:

wagnerrp, fixes

[22:58:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/Xd8fhkLF

[22:58:36]

wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: the event system just lets you run commands when something happens

[22:58:46]

wagnerrp:

in order for something to update apache's shared memory cache

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wagnerrp:

you would need apache to spawn a thread to listen on the socket for events and update accordingly

[22:59:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, it is Apache's memory cache? I thought the caching was creating static pages.

[22:59:23]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Never mind.

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wagnerrp:

no, its an object cache, not a page cache

[22:59:43]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Okay.

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wagnerrp:

prevents mythweb from having to pull the whole set of content from the backend and process it

[23:00:07]

sphery:

PHP's APC

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, we support multiple engines, APC, SHM, and two forms of memcache, people can write new ones really easily but APC is the recommended one

[23:00:18]

sphery:

http://pecl.php.net/package/APC

[23:00:26]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Never mind then. I misunderstood the design

[23:00:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I thought it was static page caching

[23:01:31]

sphery:

OK, I hate to say it, but FOSS projects where the actual repository (or at least commit messages) aren't publically available is annoying.

[23:01:40]

sphery:

and, yes, I'm talking to you, Nokia

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dsfwea23:

I guess I'll try another autobuild version. :-/

[23:04:26]

sphery:

dsfwea23: might be the same as http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8537

[23:04:49]

dsfwea23:

another problem I had with this FE is the exit & shutdown stopped working. Exit works, but shutdown doesn't. I can't seem to find the options in the config to make sure it's still running sudo shutdown...

[23:05:06]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, that is that stupid copy protection thing whose name escapes me, isn't it?

[23:05:42]

wagnerrp:

if theyre FOSS, there should be no copy protection

[23:06:09]

kormoc:

Anyone running -trunk mythweb, I'm 20% sure that [25070] has regressions in it, so let me know if you find any

[23:06:19]

sphery:

dsfwea23: yeah, that got broken by some changes that Mythbuntu wanted--they wanted http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7749 , it went in, then http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8160 happened , so now http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8291

[23:06:29]

dsfwea23:

sphery, it's region 4 disc, and it never exits, it just goes black screen and I have to kill mythfrontend.real

[23:06:55]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Up in the Air isn't FOSS.

[23:07:29]

dsfwea23:

ah, so that's at least one problem solved. =)

[23:08:08]

sphery:

dsfwea23: so go into Utilities/Setup|Setup|General and change "Halt command" to empty (assuming you're using *buntu)

[23:08:54]

dsfwea23:

sphery, I'm updating, but that was the first place I tried to look. But it seemed like the option was missing in my version. Was there before since I changed it and was using it before an update.

[23:09:06]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: Up In the Air is using one of the "not-a-spec-compliant-DVD" DRM schemes?

[23:09:54]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: like, maybe ARccOS or something?

[23:09:56]

dsfwea23:

installing 0.23.0+fixes25065 now. fingers crossed. :)

[23:10:19]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, that was the name

[23:10:26]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I couldn't remember the acronym.

[23:10:27]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I think it is

[23:10:39]

sphery:

if so, then we likely can't do anything about it...

[23:11:01]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Most likely.

[23:11:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I got rid of my hardware DVD player and had to bring one back because of those stupid protections

[23:11:25]

sphery:

heh, lots of threads on the 'net about how people have problems ripping it

[23:11:35]

sphery:

yeah, hardware player is the way to go

[23:11:50]

sphery:

also means I don't have to commit a federal felony offense (stupid DMCA)

[23:12:14]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, I just bought a $70 blu-ray player at the supermarket. So I'm future proofed.

[23:12:34]

sphery:

nice

[23:12:56]

sphery:

assuming that the vendor of the blu-ray play keeps updating the firmware for new blu-ray keys, that is ;)

[23:13:03]

sphery:

stupid blu-ray DRM

[23:13:44]

dsfwea23:

isn't there a mdk ripper for Linux out?

[23:13:51]

wagnerrp:

mdk?

[23:14:10]

dsfwea23:

sorry, mkv

[23:14:15]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, I agree about the DRM.

[23:14:24]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I realized that afterward

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wagnerrp:

what does mkv have to do with ripping anything?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I should have gone for a name brand

[23:14:43]

sphery:

GadgetWisdomGuru: yeah, looks like it's DRM in Up in the Air

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sphery:

thanks--I'll update the ticket

[23:14:54]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

There's a blu-ray ripper that has mkv in the name

[23:15:00]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Sphery, I remember because I rented it.

[23:15:01]

wagnerrp:

make_mkv

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dsfwea23:

wagnerrp, they were talking about blu-ray

[23:15:36]

wagnerrp:

ripping bluray and multiplexing mkvs are two completely separate and unrelated tasks

[23:15:49]

wagnerrp:

the fact that one software does both is irrelevant

[23:15:50]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But, I'm resigned to the fact blu-ray isn't yet practical for ripping anyway

[23:16:15]

wagnerrp:

oh?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

20–40GB a pop

[23:16:18]

Beirdo:

I hate Windows

[23:16:19]

wagnerrp:

so

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How many blu-rays are you going to rip?

[23:16:37]

wagnerrp:

couple hundred?

[23:16:38]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I know people who have hundreds of movies.

[23:16:59]

dsfwea23:

I have over 300 dvds, but not blu ray. :)

[23:16:59]

kormoc:

sphery, Power Priority looks like it's a static priority?

[23:17:12]

wagnerrp:

youre talking maybe $1.50-$2.00/disk for hard drive storage

[23:17:40]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

That is on top of the cost of the Blu-ray.

[23:17:55]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Do people really rip their whole collection?

[23:18:01]

wagnerrp:

add in a BR-ROM, and a ripper

[23:18:04]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I only rip favorites.

[23:18:05]

sphery:

kormoc: really? ... :(

[23:18:11]

wagnerrp:

its really not a significant price in the grand scheme of things

[23:18:16]

kormoc:

sphery, yeah

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, no. But is there a significant benefit achieved by the cost?

[23:18:44]

wagnerrp:

ive got all 40 or so HDDVDs on hard drive

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kormoc:

sphery, that said, we could extend it to be dynamic....

[23:18:57]

wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: sure, its available right now, anywhere in your house

[23:19:10]

wagnerrp:

what significant benefit is there for ripping your DVD collection?

[23:20:04]

sphery:

kormoc: agreed... wouldn't be too difficult

[23:20:06]

mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: can you show me again please how to add extra file type for mythtv to play

[23:20:29]

sphery:

kormoc: I see what you mean, though--you want the actual priority modification to be dynamic (as well as the matching).

[23:20:35]

kormoc:

sphery, aye

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sphery:

so, yeah, it needs updated

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, I have a database of what I have so I can find it. I honestly am not sure I'd rip my whole collection, which consists of 128 items...some of which are box sets.

[23:21:13]

wagnerrp:

setup --> setup --> media settings --> video settings --> file types

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But this is opinion

[23:21:15]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

What works for me

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sphery:

kormoc: I'd have to think for a while to come up with a good way of doing it. Do you have any ideas?

[23:21:44]

mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: thank you

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kormoc:

sphery, I'm reading the code now and shall ponder

[23:22:38]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have too many movies I haven't watched

[23:22:45]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

When I got a free month of HBO, I cached dozens

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kormoc:

sphery, but I'm guessing just add another text that is run per match on the match-sql result set

[23:22:52]

sphery:

Yeah, I was thinking from a UI perspective...

[23:23:01]

kormoc:

sphery, ahh, just another sql field

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dsfwea23:

sphery, good news, the 25065 fixed the dvd. yay... I still can't find the halt command in the setup/general area.

[23:23:17]

sphery:

kormoc: so compute the offset in SQL?

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sphery:

dsfwea23: nice... glad you tried the update

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kormoc:

sphery, aye, and require that it be a int, added

[23:23:38]

sphery:

dsfwea23: and you're in mythfrontend settings?

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dsfwea23:

sphery, the halt command is still there right?

[23:24:02]

dsfwea23:

sphery, I'm on the FE, I went to setup or settings, then general

[23:24:13]

kormoc:

sphery, or perhaps not added, actual priority, as they can request the priority already and use that in their calc

[23:24:33]

upgrdman:

i have a "streamzap" ir remote and it seems like its linux friendly. dmesg shows it as being registed with lirc. do i need some program to setup my remote, or is that done in mythtv?

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sphery:

dsfwea23: yeah, Utilities/Setup|Setup|General, bunch of screens in on one called, "Program Exit" in a box labelled "Shutdown/Reboot Settings"

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jams:

for what it's worth ignyte does plan on fixing the showtimes missing problem.

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sphery:

kormoc: cool... I think the to-be-added would be easiest for users, though--since they could just submit "1" or "12" or "-5" as a valid int (don't need to know SQL)

[23:26:27]

sphery:

jams: heh, now they tell us :)

[23:26:47]

kormoc:

sphery, agreed :)

[23:26:49]

jams:

guy said it could be a few months but it will be fixed

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sphery:

upgrdman: I think Mythbuntu uses the Mythbuntu Control Center to configure remotes

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dsfwea23:

sphery, I only see "customize exit options", it's not there anymore. It was before because I changed it to use sudo

[23:27:20]

sphery:

iamlindoro: ^^^ "<+jams> for what it's worth ignyte does plan on fixing the showtimes missing problem."

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sphery:

don't know that it's worth bringing back MythMovies, though

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wagnerrp:

sphery, jams: for what its worth, ignyte has proven to be unreliable at best

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sphery:

I know I never used it (other than to see how it worked)

[23:28:20]

wagnerrp:

looking at their site and what they do, i dont even understand why they ran that service in the first place, or where they got the data

[23:28:30]

sphery:

yeah. I think there were some ToS-violating scripts using things like Google, instead, that users were passing around

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jams:

unreliable? it's been top notch here

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wagnerrp:

three times in the past year that theyve gone down for extended periods

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sphery:

jams: do you actually use it through MythMovies?

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jams:

yep

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sphery:

I really thought that most MythTV users would have enough computers with real web browsers or iPhones/Androids or iPads or handhelds available that they'd use them rather than turn on the TV to find when movies play

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dsfwea23:

sphery, I just used mythweb to check, and the "halt command" is correct

[23:31:07]

sphery:

xr is mentioned that he thought it would be a natural addition to MythWeb, instead of mythfrontend

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sphery:

dsfwea23: it has to be blank

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sphery:

dsfwea23: since your system uses DBus to shut down

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dsfwea23:

sphery, oh, then the upgrade removed the setting from the menus. :p

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dsfwea23:

sphery, should have blanked it too.

[23:32:16]

dsfwea23:

should I set it to nothing, or delete the setting?

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jams:

used it almost every week. Wife wants to know what movies are playing, so it's very easy to check showtimes as we eat lunch/breakfast while watching tv.

[23:32:50]

sphery:

dsfwea23: yeah, you're right... it seems it was completely removed for 0.23 because of the "auto" stuff.

[23:33:15]

sphery:

jams: huh, cool... it wouldn't be that hard to bring back

[23:33:51]

sphery:

hardest part is finding someone to maintain it :) (and, really, I think one of the reasons why it was deleted was because it really needed a rewrite-type fixing)

[23:34:15]

sphery:

dsfwea23: set it to nothing (empty string)

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jams:

I will probably keep it around for my own personal usage

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sphery:

dsfwea23: same for RebootCommand

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dsfwea23:

sphery, I set both to blank using mythweb, with the FE shutdown, then ran it after saving settings, still can't shutdown

[23:37:15]

dsfwea23:

it just returns to the myth main menu

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sphery:

dsfwea23: might need to restart for it to pick up the changes--yeah, I realize the irony

[23:38:11]

dsfwea23:

sphery, I did exit and restart myth... it wasn't running when I made the changes

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dsfwea23:

unless you mean the system

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sphery:

restart both the frontend and backend

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sphery:

(on the host)

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sphery:

assumign you're running both

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dsfwea23:

nobody88, just FE on this host

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dsfwea23:

oops, no not nobody88

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sphery:

hmmm... don't know, then

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sphery:

I do that all the time, too--autocomplete regular words

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dsfwea23:

well, until it's fixed in myth, is there a way I could map "power" on my MCE remote to run shutdown outside myth?

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sphery:

irexec ?

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sphery:

but the mythbuntu guys may know exactly what you need to do to make it work in myth

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sphery:

i.e. in #mythbuntu

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dsfwea23:

does the shutdown work for you?

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sphery:

I don't use it

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sphery:

my mythtv user doesn't have permission to shut down the system

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mcl0vin:

when i go to watch videos, it show no no file found

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mcl0vin:

i put my videos in /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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sphery:

M|Scan for Videos

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mcl0vin:

how do i do that please

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sphery:

hit M

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sphery:

then Scan for Videos

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mcl0vin:

hit m where?

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sphery:

in mythvideo

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sphery:

on the page that says no file found

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mcl0vin:

oh okay

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mcl0vin:

then scan for changes

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sphery:

yeah

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mcl0vin:

cool cool

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wagnerrp:

seems ive managed to kill my backend over XML

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

sent a bad request?

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wagnerrp:

bad request that used to work

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

'Myth/GetRecorded'

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wagnerrp:

same call works fine on my -fixes backend

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: how do i edit the avatars

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wagnerrp:

?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: maybe the space vs backend separator issues ([]:[])

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