Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, June 15th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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wagnerrp:

NTSC is only 480 lines of video, period

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: :\ perhaps I have a significant deal to learn about video capture devices

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wagnerrp:

(technically there are an additional 45 lines of non-video data)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: 480 lines of interlaced video...

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TheMaverick`:

kormoc: I thought the AIW 8500DV was capable of digital?

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wagnerrp:

TheMaverick`: sure, it has a firewire port

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wagnerrp:

it can pull digital video at higher resolutions over firewire

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high-rez:

sphery: No? Pfft.

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wagnerrp:

but its not capturing anything over firewire

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wagnerrp:

consider firewire to be similar to USB

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high-rez:

sphery: I can't even find where it's defined. :)

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wagnerrp:

its just an interconnect that you use to connect to digital video cameras

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sphery:

high-rez: mythtv/libs/libmythdb/mythsystem.cpp

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high-rez:

huh mythdb

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high-rez:

i wonder if I could just kill -stop mythtv-setup until wget finishes :)

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: so it's the actual tuner, not the coax input?

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wagnerrp:

what is?

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sphery:

high-rez: what are you trying to do?

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: the limitation

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wagnerrp:

TheMaverick`: yes, the tuner is limited to 480i

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wagnerrp:

it would be pointless for the tuner to be capable of anything better than 480i, because there are no signals it could receive that would be better than 480i

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high-rez:

sphery: Tribune is so slow at the moment that mythtv-setup is timing out the wget before it returns my lineups (i just want to populate my lineup)

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wagnerrp:

480i is the limit of NTSC broadcasts and cable transmissions in the US

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high-rez:

sphery: So I click "retrieve lineups" and wait and wait and wait. Tribune sends 25k of data almost immediately – then nothing for about 50 seconds...

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high-rez:

sphery: But myth_system appears to be timing out before that 50 seconds is up. :'/

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wagnerrp:

no idea why it would behave that way, it returns within a couple seconds for me

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: Ok. I guess I was confused by this website: http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/ati-al . . . g=mncol;rnav

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TheMaverick`:

says it has digital video capture

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sphery:

high-rez: for me it gets in without issue

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Do you have maybe a small lineups? I have a raelly big lineup.

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wagnerrp:

yes, it can connect to firewire devices

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sphery:

high-rez: are you sure your account/username/password are working properly?

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high-rez:

sphery: i can login to the web interface fine. Additionally, I took a tcpdump and opened it in wiresharl – and it apepars to be fine...

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sphery:

high-rez: or perhaps you're using a bad proxy and don't have proxy settings specified?

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wagnerrp:

TheMaverick`: it does not have a digital tuner, the extent that it supports 'digital capture' is that it has a firewire port that it can use to connect to other devices that can capture video

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wagnerrp:

TheMaverick`: for instance, you could use it to connect to a firewire-equipped cable box

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sphery:

TheMaverick`: I think you need to be looking at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD . . . e_facilities

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high-rez:

sphery: i'm not using a proxy and I have two ISPs here – and if I set my gw through the cable modem is the same result as through the dsl..

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sphery:

i.e. the "No"s

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wagnerrp:

and over that firewire link, you could capture the full 720p or 1080i digital stream that the cableco is transmitting

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wagnerrp:

however the internal tuner and capture support offered by that card is limited to 480i

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: gotcha. that helped

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high-rez:

sphery: Really, for sure, it's not my ISP(s). :)

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wagnerrp:

and any other device offering NTSC tuning, or composite/svideo capture will be similarly limited to 480i

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TheMaverick`:

sphery: I'll give it a read. Thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

you will only get something better than 480i if you are capturing over component video, or if you are using a digital tuner that captures the pre-compressed mpeg2 stream from the cableco

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: so I guess it's going to be a bit difficult to accomplish capture without a cable box, since stuff has moved to digital

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sphery:

high-rez: can you pastebin the mythtv-setup log output at default verbosity

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high-rez:

sphery: ok

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wagnerrp:

TheMaverick`: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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TheMaverick`:

wagnerrp: tyvm, I've got a good bit of reading to do

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cabl . . . Simulcasting sounds strange... "analog digital cable television is provided right along side digital cable television"???

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high-rez:

sphery: -v all ok ?

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sphery:

are they trying to say "unencrypted"?

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sphery:

high-rez: maybe--depends on how much extra garbage there is

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sphery:

default verbosity would be ideal (as all of the datadirect-related log output is in -v important,general

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sphery:

oh, maybe they're just saying "analog" and shouldn't have the extra "digital" in there...

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high-rez:

ok its running, will take a coup[le mins to timeoput here

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sphery:

thanks

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sphery:

high-rez: you didn't--by any chance--compile MythTV yourself, did you?

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oobe:

http://is.gd/cPDbP

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high-rez:

sphery: did infact compile myth myself..

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high-rez:

s/did/i did

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high-rez:

I mean, i got a little help from the folks at gcc and make

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sphery:

high-rez: if we don't get enough info, I may have you change a define so we can see the wget output

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high-rez:

I can't take all the credit. :)

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TheMaverick`:

sphery: where might I look to see if other cards I have are supported?

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sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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high-rez:

well i can see the wget output on the terminal...

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ebah:

so mythtv requires the backend even just to watch live tv?

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high-rez:

i mean the little line moving back and forth.

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TheMaverick`:

sphery: ty again

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sphery:

high-rez: you get stdout, but not stderr and you don't get the actual command line we're using

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high-rez:

Hmm

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high-rez:

Wow

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high-rez:

It's not just the lineup name – but its the actual program data that cmae down

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high-rez:

it appears

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high-rez:

A ton of sql inserts: 2010-06–14 21:22:22.670 MSqlQuery::exec(DataDirectCon) INSERT INTO dd_genre ( programid, class, relevance) VALUES ('MV002501010000', 'Documentary', '0')

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high-rez:

When I go to fetch the lineup – should actual program data be in there ?

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high-rez:

I thought it would be one of two possible values.

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high-rez:

(the two lineups I have on my account)

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kormoc:

ebah, yes

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kormoc:

high-rez, nah, we populate the channels and all that at the same time

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high-rez:

Hmmf

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high-rez:

ok

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sphery:

high-rez: if you mean when you hit the "Retrieve Lineups" button, that should be tiny--I get 1.37KB of data

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high-rez:

sphery: I get >100kb

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high-rez:

and yes thats hitting retreive lineups

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sphery:

something isn't working right, then

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kormoc:

sphery, I get a full dump too

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high-rez:

Now, for full disclosure? I am running trunk.

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sphery:

I'm testing on trunk

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kormoc:

I only run -trunk

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kormoc:

-fixes is for those stable loving sissies!

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sphery:

high-rez: do you have any .wgetrc files on your system?

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high-rez:

sphery: Nope – the read_timeout for wget is 900 seconds...

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sphery:

I'm thinking that your wget isn't using cookies or something, so we're not sending the request properly

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high-rez:

sphery: I have a packet capture of the transaction. It appeared corect for the most part.

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sphery:

I'd still like to see the log output

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high-rez:

yeah i'm restartging with proper verbosity now

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sphery:

and if you'd like to change libs/libmythtv/datadirect.cpp line 21 to "#define SHOW_WGET_OUTPUT 1" (no quotes--i.e. enable SHOW_WGET_OUTPUT), you may get a better idea what's happening if it is a wget issue

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kormoc:

sphery, btw, re backend locale, my locale is "en_US.UTF-8" and it looks like myth is only seeing the en_US part of it

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kormoc:

2010-06–14 21:29:54.596 No locale defaults file for en_US, skipping

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kormoc:

is that expected?

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, that's the locale, the charmap/codeset info is stripped off, but Qt uses is properly.

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sphery:

unfortunately, Qt doesn't give us access to info on which charmap it's using--all I can get is the name "System", which is completely useless, especially with the complex algorithm they use to determine what the System setting is

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high-rez:

http://pastebin.ca/1883368

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kormoc:

sphery, okay, so that ticket that I can re-produce isn't related to the BE not in utf-8 mode then, correct?

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sphery:

I started a patch to output the charmap info after the locale info message, but Qt won't give it to me. I'm considering a hack that outputs the info Qt uses to determine the charmap, then if we need to determine what's happening, we'll see the raw data it uses

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sphery:

kormoc: sounds like it's not

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high-rez:

i'm gonna delete and re-add my lieups

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high-rez:

who knoiws

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kormoc:

kk

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sphery:

though the UTF-8 is a workaround for a Qt bug that I'm still hoping to get a chance to find

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sphery:

high-rez: except for the large amount of data, that looks right

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sphery:

high-rez: don't know why it's pulling too much data--I'd love to see the output with SHOW_WGET_OUTPUT defined (if you do pastebin it, make sure you scrub out the username/password which will likely appear multiple times in the log)

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high-rez:

sphery: If you've got wireshark handy I can give you more than that :)

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sphery:

amazing how many people are hacking tmdb.pl so they don't have to upgrade from 0.22-fixes to the much-more-stable-and-much-more-featureful 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

high-rez: I don't know the exact details of what SD is expecting, but I would recognize wget error output :)

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sphery:

i.e. looking at the raw data, I wouldn't know if it's wrong or right

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high-rez:

Aha

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high-rez:

:)

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high-rez:

Well I think i figured out the videosource table

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high-rez:

So I'm probably ok without actually figuring out what the problem is ;)

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high-rez:

(mythfilldatabase appears to be grabbing content for me now that I manually updated it)

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sphery:

well, that won't help out anyone else... :)

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Pwen:

0.24+fixes all the way! anything else is for chumps! :p

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kormoc:

there is no 0.24 or 0.24-fixes yet :P

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high-rez:

sphery: Alright I'll recompile her ;)

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sphery:

thx

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high-rez:

should just be a make after editing the file – no need to recompile everything else right ?

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sphery:

right

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rhollan:

Has anyone seen DVD imports always overwrite all entries in the list with the LAST DVD imported?

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rhollan:

I also saw /dev/dvd deleted

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rhollan:

what is going on?

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high-rez:

sphery: Nice my password is disploayed now ;)(

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high-rez:

was just about to paste that line

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high-rez:

:)

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sphery:

high-rez: yeah, that's why I said, "(if you do pastebin it, make sure you scrub out the username/password which will likely appear multiple times in the log)"

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sphery:

note, also, the "multiple"

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wagnerrp:

if you pastebin it, they will come

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kormoc:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/20 . . . -the-zombies

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: apparently a number of websites take the 'konami code'

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wagnerrp:

including php.net

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kormoc:

huh

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rhollan:

anyone have experience with ripped DVDs?

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sphery:

how do you get it to work?

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sphery:

need flash or something?

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high-rez:

sphery: see pm

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, just javascript

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kormoc:

sphery, nope, just javascript

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sphery:

maybe the auto-find-in-page is killing me

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rhollan:

I cant rip DVDs (and yes, l have libdvdcss), all entries in the list cause the LAST DVD ripped to play

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rhollan:

what gives?

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wagnerrp:

rhollan: it may be no one currently in here uses myth's dvd ripping faculty

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wagnerrp:

please way more than 8 minutes before asking the same question

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wagnerrp:

w/way/wait/

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rhollan:

sucks to be me, I guess. They rip fine, but the menu system causes the last one ripped to be selected for any of them when playing back. I figured someone must have seen this

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sphery:

kormoc: so, yeah, accessibility.typeaheadfind kills Konami codes in the browser

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kormoc:

ahh

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rhollan:

Ah! I think I see what's going on: frontend runs as one user, backend as mythtv, and frontend creates ripped DVDs... so backend can't delete them

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high-rez:

What file extension should a bluray disk be dor myth to play it ?

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high-rez:

e.g. it's an .iso rip – but myth tries to play it as a dvd...

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wagnerrp:

what version of myth are you running?

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high-rez:

0.24 (trunk)

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wagnerrp:

should just be iso

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high-rez:

Huh. It tries to use libdvdread etf

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high-rez:

libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.

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justinh:

psst. anybody wanna join my top secret new club? PM me. LOL

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justinh:

good grief. morons complaining to UK broadcasters about the noise the Vuvuzella makes on the footbeh audio track

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justinh:

"I thought I was being attacked by a swarm of wasps!"

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kormoc:

I was getting attacked by a swarm of wasps but I thought it was the tv... whoops

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justinh:

a lot of talk about whether or not broadcasters can filter it out. they've been watching too much CSI again

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justinh:

and the broadcasters saying they can't even EQ it out cos it'll affect the commentary. LOL. Yeah like all the sound comes from one mike

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kormoc:

You just enable the "Wasp Swarm" filter and all is well

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justinh:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you can chop out bands, but youll have to cut a fairly wide swath

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justinh:

just run all the audio through Cool Edit Pro

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wagnerrp:

and youll have to cut several of them for the various tonal frequencies

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wagnerrp:

someone needs to do that, and show people just how awful it would sound

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justinh:

thousands of notches, likely. not all vuvuzella sound the same

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justinh:

I couldn't sleep last night so had a read of Andy Quested's blog. He's the head tech honcho at BBC HD

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wagnerrp:

the sound is more a function of the player, not the instrument

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wagnerrp:

and the players are untrained waifs

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justinh:

people still whining about the quality (or lack of) BBC HD.. so the BBC invited a group of them to HQ to compare encoders with source material

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justinh:

wagnerrp: honk if you wanna go faster?

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wagnerrp:

well thats interesting

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wagnerrp:

i just managed to get caught on a channel that went offline

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wagnerrp:

so i cant get back into livetv to change the channel

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justinh:

that's some functionality I'd change too

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justinh:

default channel should mean just that IMHO

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justinh:

not 'the first channel we ever tune to but then we'll forget forever'

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justinh:

could pick the first channel which exists on that source instead – and if people *Set* a 'default channel' then always tune to that first

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justinh:

always reminds me of an outcry a long time ago when breakfast TV was introduced.. 'the BBC, being channel 1 will win the ratings war by default'. heh

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Caesar:

Hi, can anyone tell me what the deal is with the MythFlix plugin and 0.23?

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Caesar:

I see references that the plugin has been merged with MythTV instead of being a third-party thing, but I can't see it in the build of 0.23 I'm running

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justinh:

wasn't it removed because nobody loved it?

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justinh:

it was only ever a queue manager thing anyway

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Caesar:

Yeah, that's all I used it for

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justinh:

and no use to anybody outside the US

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wagnerrp:

mythflix was first party, never third party

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Caesar:

Oh?

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Caesar:

So it just got dropped?

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wagnerrp:

and none of the devs used it, or had any desire to update it for qt4 and the new ui

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justinh:

yeah it was an official plugin from day one

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Caesar:

Ah I see

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wagnerrp:

so it was dropped from the repository

[02:25:08]

Caesar:

That's a shame

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wagnerrp:

not much of a loss

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Caesar:

I liking being able to look at my queue without having to reach for a laptop

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justinh:

dropped doesn't have to mean permanent if somebody wanted to take it up

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Caesar:

s/liking/liked/

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justinh:

same goes for the other dropped plugins

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wagnerrp:

make it a link in mythbrowser

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Caesar:

wagnerrp: the UI was a bit nicer than just bailing out to a web browser

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justinh:

well no point moaning about it :-) It's gone – til somebody scrapes up its remains & fixes it all up for mythui & qt4

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wagnerrp:

the plan was that if anyone were to port it forward, it would become a generic use queue manager

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wagnerrp:

rather than just one to use with netflix

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justinh:

still need to set about making that general info display plugin I was thinking about once

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justinh:

eek. starting to have a to-do list again

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sidh:

Greetings

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p3nis:

hi

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sidh:

I have made a good part of the job in mythtv settings on debian squeeze, but i can't troubleshoot this error : DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1, I use a Hauppauge Nova TD 500 (dvb-t dual tuner), any idea ?

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p3nis:

did you create a video source for that tuner

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sidh:

yes

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justinh:

it's just a warning. doesn't mean much

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justinh:

it says that for any DVB device that doesn't have a DiSEq attachment

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justinh:

if you're having problems scanning or something else – that isn't the cause of the problem

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sidh:

ok i saw another problem that could be the cause, i investigate

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sidh:

thanks

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Beirdo:

I hate Windows

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Beirdo:

however... Top Gear is on BBCA

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and they are about to launch a Reliant (?) Robin as a space shuttle

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Beirdo:

oook

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justinh:

classic episode

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justinh:

blatant fakery, but immense fun

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Beirdo:

I've never watched this show before, but I gotta say, I like it

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justinh:

hey I just figured out why Christopher Ecclestone left Dr Who

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Beirdo:

cars, British humour... and fun

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justinh:

read something on BBC News where he's quoted as saying "conditions the cast & crew had to endure".. and now I'm thinking.. BARROWMAN

[03:56:35]

justinh:

John Barrowman is reportedly fond of whipping his tackle out at every available opportunity

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Beirdo:

oh, splendid

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justinh:

and in other news, a school in England has banned skirts because it 'places girls at risk'. Yay, way to turn everyone into a victim already

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Beirdo:

oh god

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Beirdo:

wear underwear, you sluts

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justinh:

heh

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Beirdo:

so the report on Bloody Sunday is today? This should be an interesting day

[04:03:39]

Beirdo:

OK, reboot time for my crappy Windows laptop

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Beirdo:

be back hopefully shortly

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justinh:

overzealous troops? nah

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justinh:

troops will be troops, yada yada. end of findings

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Beirdo:

yay, that helped

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Beirdo:

sound works... vpn works...

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justinh:

grr I dunno why I bothered putting any info on the dog training website about how to join when people are emailing to enquire about how they join

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Beirdo:

now if I can get IPv6 running on WinXP :)

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justinh:

if only I could get this connection to my home to be persistent

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justinh:

I wouldn't care but when freenx loses the connection everything running in it dies too

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justinh:

hmm maybe there's an option for that

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Beirdo:

screen

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

already using that for my ssh terminal

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Beirdo:

good :

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Beirdo:

VNC doesn't do that, does it?

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justinh:

no it doesn't kill whatever was running in it til you kill the server

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justinh:

but for some reason vnc isn't working

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justinh:

I get a blank desktop & nothing else

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Beirdo:

oh how I hate Windows

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justinh:

blank as in .. just the background image

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Beirdo:

odd

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Pwen:

hi all. what is the best method to automatically transcode recordings to other formats? inbuilt mythtranscode or nuvexport?

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Pwen:

and by 'best' I mean most straightforward to setup, with presets?

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justinh:

not mythtranscode

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justinh:

if by 'other formats' you mean stuff that isn't in mythtv's own format

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justinh:

s/format/container/

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justinh:

lol. I've been tasked with downgrading HDMI & USB cables in our units to see what effect it has

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justinh:

quote 'use rubbish cable'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

windows sucks. now it wants another reboot to uninstall ipv6 so I can reinstall it?

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justinh:

not looking fwd to soldering cheap wire onto male & female HDMI connectors mind

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Pwen:

justinh: mainly for xbox360, so avi with divx – I should use nuvexport?

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justinh:

apparently HDMI certified internal cables we use are too heavy & can pull cards out

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justinh:

Pwen: eew. avi sucks

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jduggan:

justinh: still working at the place that makes dvrs for cctv etc ?

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justinh:

as does transcoding anyway

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Pwen:

I know. but its for the technologically challenged people in my house.

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justinh:

jduggan: aye

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justinh:

why can't the xbox360 play mpeg ?

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justinh:

ah wait. it's not "can't" is it? It's WON'T

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Pwen:

I'm not sure, I dont know anything about xboxes

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Pwen:

he can add the recording as is to his windows media library, but trying to play it on the xbox gives a blank screen

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Pwen:

IIRC the recording straight off the air is mpeg2, yeah?

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justinh:

I'm not down on all this transcoding & keeping stuff ad infinitum

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Pwen:

I dont want it kept forever, just want it to be transcoded after recording so his xbox can play it, but you raise an interesting point

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Pwen:

myth wouldnt then autoexpire the transcode

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Pwen:

maybe I will have to put this into the 'too hard' basket

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justinh:

user jobs ftw

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Beirdo:

the heck with this... sleep time

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Pwen:

user jobs

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Pwen:

hmmm

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justinh:

seee the wiki

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justinh:

what I can't for the life of me figure out is why, if the machine can already play DVD.. it refuses to play mpeg2

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justinh:

it's not like they didn't pay the license fee

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** justinh disembowels an HDMI cable **

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justinh:

be funny if when I put 2x RJ45 sockets on each end & use ordinary CAT5 cable – if it works over a whole reel

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justinh:

hahaha no way!

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justinh:

hdmi, 1080 working over 10M cat5. unshielded & I didn't pay much attention to the termination really

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Pwen:

"working" is different to "working well" :p

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justinh:

that's with 2M HDMI cable inbetween too

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justinh:

there's a picture with no dropouts

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justinh:

just goes some way to prove how good at compensating the HDMI transceivers are at each end

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justinh:

also shows we don't necessarily have to use certified cable for the short interconnects inside the unit

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justinh:

as for the USB.. I always said we needn't have used board mounted USB connectors & proper 'usb' cables inside the box. sometimes it's as if our designers have never seen inside a PC

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justinh:

oh you mean it's best to put a fan really near the thing you want to cool down?

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justinh:

wth? 'hi-speed' USB cables aren't even twisted pair? heh

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justinh:

I reckon we might have to submit our stuff for EMC re-test if we do go unscreened inside though

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justinh:

interesting. some HDMI over cat5 adapters don't have a powered transmit end. wth?

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justinh:

ahh 5V on the socket

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justinh:

hahaha National Semiconductor are selling digital video to coax converters

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justinh:

as in – send HDMI/SDI over 150 metres of coax

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wagnerrp:

huh... 'Into the Wild Green Yonder' is marked as a new futurama episode

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wagnerrp:

oh, it is new, that was one of the movies....

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wagnerrp:

thats why i remember it

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

our new C6 codec 'only' pulls 1 amp at 3.3V going flat out

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justinh:

put that in yer portable device

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justinh:

encoding 1 channel of D1 video to mpeg4. myers

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wagnerrp:

meh, thats nothing

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wagnerrp:

a giant statue of jesus about 30mi north of me got struck by lightning last night

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wagnerrp:

and burned to the ground

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justinh:

a lot of current for something not doing much IMHO

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justinh:

wow. thou shalt not worship false idols

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justinh:

huhuh uhuhuhuhh huhuhuhuhuhuhuh. lightnin' is kewl. uhhuhuhuhuh

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justinh:

interesting. some internet radio thingies are now coming with a upnp extension that allows you to control them remotely

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wagnerrp:

yeah, render controlpoint or something

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: wow, got a news link or something to it?

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wagnerrp:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100615/NEWS01/306150004

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tzanger:

thanks

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justinh:

wth was it made of?

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justinh:

ah plastic & fibreglass. figures

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justinh:

here was I picturing a stone carving being vapourised

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justinh:

:D

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wagnerrp:

sphery: re [25080], is it possible that error would break GetProgramDetails as well?

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wagnerrp:

its not causing a segfault, its just not working

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wagnerrp:

nevermind

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wagnerrp:

it seems that function only works on episodes existing in the guide

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wagnerrp:

not on existing recordings

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iamlindoro:

That's interesting.. feels like that must be an oversight

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wagnerrp:

its paired with GetProgramGuide, which has an option to just list cursory information on each show

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wagnerrp:

which you can then use GetProgramDetails to get more detailed information for it

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wagnerrp:

i had just mistaken it for an analog of QUERY_RECORDING in the backend protocol, which it is not

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wagnerrp:

there is no similar function over MythXML

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, glad you figured it out.

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sphery:

sorry I missed the question

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** justinh wonders if that guy saw the patched schedule-ui.xml I posted **

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justinh:

rileyp or whatever his name was

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v janneg

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sphery:

I saw it :)

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