Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010, 00:12 AST

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Beirdo:

... another bug bites the dust...

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k-man:

Beirdo: what are you working on?

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Rebecca:

well, i found a place that sells USB DVB-T captures that should be compatible.. ill probably buy a couple and see how they go. they are so cheap that if they don't work then i havn't spent much.. and if they do i'll get a couple more

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k-man:

Rebecca: which ones are you getting?

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DarthFrog:

Hello folks.

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DarthFrog:

Is anyone else having troubles with MythVideo? All I get is: sh: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution

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achew22:

Is there a way to super prioritize first showings of episodes over recurring things. i.e. new futurama gets a +99 and is recorded the 1st second it can be over the tonight show?

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sphery:

achew22: make a normal recording rule for Futurama that is "New episodes only" (or a custom/power recording rule that's First Showings only) and give it +99 priority

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achew22:

Okay

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sphery:

achew22: then do a search for Futurama and find an episode that's not matched by the other rule (i.e. a rerun) and set it up as a any time on any channel rule for the title, and give it -50 priority

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sphery:

i.e. 2 recording rules--one for each priority

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sphery:

achew22: or, if you want to get fancy, create a Power Priority rule

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achew22:

power priority rule?

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sphery:

achew22: where the Power Priority allows you to adjust the priority of a match of any existing recording rule

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sphery:

so you could have First Showings match at +20 priority

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achew22:

Ooh... how do you do that?

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sphery:

(adds 20 to existing prio)

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sphery:

I forgot where it is...

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achew22:

teach me sensei

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clever:

DarthFrog: sounds like a ` ' or " in the filename that is messing with things

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sphery:

Try Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings then scroll "up" a couple times from the bottom and look for something like priorities

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sphery:

that might be it... if not, it's somewhere under Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

OK, now to go find me a contact for weather.com

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k-man:

compleetly off topic but, i heard that this new 3D TV thing basically has to half the resolution of the video so they can effectively get 2 seperate images into the stream

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Beirdo:

heh

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k-man:

but i would have thought that there could be good compression between the two images because they are going to be very similar to each other...

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k-man:

but maybe there is a reason they don't implement it that way? who knowS?

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k-man:

i also heard that no manufacturers have really agreed on a way of transmitting these 3d images, so you might by a "3D" tv today and tomorrow they might all agree on a different standard and your TV won't be able to play them

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k-man:

this info is all from the Tech Talk Radio podcast

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DarthFrog:

clever: Thanks for your reply. But it happens with all videos on the local mythfrontend. Remote mythfrontend plays the same videos fine.

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DarthFrog:

I'm right now in the process of doing a system upgrade (karmic -> lucid) on the local machine to see if that solves the issue.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v sphery

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Beirdo:

Who made the Blue Abstract theme and are they on IRC?

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oobe:

I seen him on the mythtv-dev mailing list before talking about getting his theme added to the wiki

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oobe:

so you could look him up that way

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oobe:

this is what i meant actually

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oobe:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7145

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Beirdo:

ahhh, thanks

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Dassu:

:) Woot apparently no need for Mplayer anymore in mythvideo as Internal supports external subtitles and h264

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Dassu:

next gonna remove qt3 and more space for me :)

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justinh:

Dassu: good, cos external player support is going South soon anyway

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justinh:

as for the space removing qt3 will free.. pfft. Maybe enough for a few minutes of video :P

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blizzard_:

Question, im getting alot of error messages like these:

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blizzard_:

2010-06–22 13:06:40.957 ERROR when trying to delete file: GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/snowball/5640_20100606170000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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blizzard_:

at some time I was moving files around on my own before I discovered how stuff worked

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blizzard_:

can I run some kind of cleanup script? ie "if datafile missing, clean metadata"?

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mzb:

is there a way of scheduling the backend to restart?

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mzb:

(when it's not busy, for eg)

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wagnerrp:

not through mythtv, no

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wagnerrp:

you could specify a system event to trigger when it goes idle

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mzb:

I've been naughty (again) ;)

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wagnerrp:

that removes itself from the database

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mzb:

just realised that I had some storage groups wrong ... so I .. um ... changed them in the db

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** mzb flogs himself raw **

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mzb:

I can't run mythtv-setup because it would cause undue angst

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mzb:

is it likely that the backend will eventually realise? :))) ... or should I do a proper restart and/or mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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wagnerrp:

why cant you run mythtv-setup?

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mzb:

she's recording+watching

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wagnerrp:

so

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mzb:

(her birthday tomorrow, so now is really not a good time;)

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wagnerrp:

so you fix it in mythtv-setup now, and you restart the backend later

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mzb:

err ... I thought that mythtv-setup required the backend to be stopped?

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wagnerrp:

it requires the backend to be restarted before a number of the changes it makes will take effect

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wagnerrp:

it will warn you if the backend is running when you start it

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wagnerrp:

but it in no way requires the backend be stopped

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mzb:

ah, ok ... thanks

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wagnerrp:

... unless youre running mythbuntu

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

no

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wagnerrp:

which wraps mythtv-setup, and their wrapper issues the shutdown of the backend prior to it starting

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mzb:

k

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mzb:

done ... no changes made ... I'll keep an eye on it

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mzb:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

well that was a disappointing response from the double episode thread....

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justinh:

if you're on ubuntu just run mythtv-setup.real :)

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justinh:

I do. I hate all that namby-pamby mothering it does

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justinh:

ach well. time to head over to the place where a DVR is being vibration tested. it died as soon as they powered up the field coil for the motor which drives the shake bed

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wagnerrp:

this guy has been doing this kind of spam for the last month... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13312 . . . ml#post52676

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wagnerrp:

is that just to get links to his site picked up by google?

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wagnerrp:

or do you think hes actually getting clickthroughs?

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el_duerino:

Hei guys, anyone having experience with HD TV without vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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el_duerino:

I own a dual core intel PC with somewhat 1–2 Ghz, 2G RAM and a older NVidia Device withut vdpau support

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wagnerrp:

between 1 and 2GHz... theres a big performance range in there

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el_duerino:

despite the fact, that HD will push one CPU around 80–100%, i think it should be possible to watch HD without stuttering

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el_duerino:

PC is around two years old

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wagnerrp:

so what is your processor?

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el_duerino:

hmm, machine if off currently (no recordings running) and I am not at home

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el_duerino:

I think it must be more like 1,5–2 GhZ

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wagnerrp:

you dont know what the machine is?

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el_duerino:

Not the processor speed

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el_duerino:

(exactly)

[08:23:41]

wagnerrp:

but you dont know what the processor is either

[08:23:48]

wagnerrp:

intel has made several dual core lines

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el_duerino:

arrr, I see; you need more detailled information, du you?

[08:24:32]

wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

theres a big difference from an old Core Duo running at 1GHz, and a Core2Duo running at 2GHz

[08:25:01]

wagnerrp:

considerably more than double the power

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el_duerino:

Core2Duo

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wagnerrp:

what is the content youre trying to decode?

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el_duerino:

recordings from local channels (Das Erste HD, germany)

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wagnerrp:

codec? bitrate?

[08:26:52]

wagnerrp:

basically, im trying to gage whether your processor should be capable of decoding the content without assistance

[08:27:11]

wagnerrp:

a 2GHz Core2 should be able to handle just about any HD mpeg2 you throw at it

[08:27:26]

wagnerrp:

1.5GHz? youre getting a bit low for some high bitrate DVB-T content

[08:27:44]

el_duerino:

Well, its DVB-S2

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wagnerrp:

if its h264, is it sliced or not?

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el_duerino:

Sliced?

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wagnerrp:

a 2GHz Core2 will probably handle around 10mbps per core of h264

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wagnerrp:

if its just a single slice, it will only be able to use one core for decoding

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el_duerino:

how can I find out these values?

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wagnerrp:

start playback, open up `top`, press '1' to display a split view of each execution core

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el_duerino:

ok

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wagnerrp:

if youre running full load on one processor, and no load on the other, it is not content that can be multithreaded

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el_duerino:

Yeah, that sounds logic

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el_duerino:

which parameters can I toggle to improve playback? Just the deinterlacers?

[08:30:39]

wagnerrp:

deinterlacers should be run on a separate thread, so i doubt that would affect anything

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el_duerino:

the only thing I realized was that playback runs a bit smoother when switch to "none" deinterlacer

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wagnerrp:

what playback profile are you using?

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wagnerrp:

if youre using anything but 'Slim', give that a try

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el_duerino:

I tried several, without a difference (except switching off the deinterlacing)

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el_duerino:

I think its currently "High"

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wagnerrp:

what is 'High'?

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el_duerino:

i'm not sure about ne real name; sounds like it was the opposite of your suggestion

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el_duerino:

;-)

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EvilGuru:

Does anyone here have a Nova-T-500? I ask as an issue I've had with it for a while is that it breaks when I reboot my system

[08:37:34]

EvilGuru:

In that I need to shutdown my system and turn it on again (to force a firmware reload)

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el_duerino:

So, is it possible to claim ( i know its hard ) to say that, with a 2GHz Core2Duo Machine, most of HD content should play smooth?

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wagnerrp:

it will have trouble with single sliced h264, and bluray content

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EvilGuru:

el_duerino: My 2.4 Core 2 has trouble with some H.264

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el_duerino:

ok, got the point

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el_duerino:

I think I have to buy a new graphics card...

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wagnerrp:

presumably your board has a PCIe slot

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wagnerrp:

new graphics cards can be picked up pretty cheaply

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el_duerino:

i just bought a tevii s470 PCIe

[08:42:28]

wagnerrp:

i think both of my 8400s were ~$30

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el_duerino:

so its kinda full

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wagnerrp:

replace your existing graphics card

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el_duerino:

its onboard

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wagnerrp:

unless its onboard graphics

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el_duerino:

Dumb question: Are there dirrerent PCI-e Slot sizes?

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wagnerrp:

yes, x1, x2, x4, x8, and x16

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el_duerino:

between two PCI and one (2cm long) PCIe slot there is another one

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wagnerrp:

x2 is fairly uncommon

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el_duerino:

x2 is the short one?

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wagnerrp:

and supposedly you can have x32, but ive never actually seen one

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wagnerrp:

x1 is the short one

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el_duerino:

which one is used by the nvidia cards?

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wagnerrp:

there should be a notch in the center

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EvilGuru:

Usually you will only see x1 and x16

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wagnerrp:

forward of the notch is command connections, all PCIe slots have that same thing

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EvilGuru:

Although electrically, for the x16, anything goes

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wagnerrp:

behind the notch (the smaller side on an x1, larger on x16) are the data channels

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wagnerrp:

youll have between 1–16 on a slot, and the slot will be larger or smaller accordingly

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wagnerrp:

x1 and x16 are very common

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wagnerrp:

x4 is somewhat common on higher end boards

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wagnerrp:

and x8 are common on servers and workstations

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wagnerrp:

graphics cards are usually x16

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el_duerino:

cool, that may fit

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wagnerrp:

but any PCIe card will use any PCIe slot that it can physically fit into

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el_duerino:

you mean, I can also stick the DVB-S2 card in the larger slot (without a hammer)?

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EvilGuru:

With PCIe 2.0 x1 graphics cards become a little bit more practical than before

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wagnerrp:

a PCIe x1 card will fit in any PCIe slot of any size

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el_duerino:

good to know; and you are happy with a 8400 ?

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wagnerrp:

works fine for me

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AndyCap:

Why people just couldn't go with 16x connectors all around eludes me. :P

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wagnerrp:

takes up too much room, where are you going to put the various other chips and headers

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wagnerrp:

of course they only take up slightly more room than the old PCI slots

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el_duerino:

So, thank you very much for your great help!

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Quite a few of the higher end i7 boards sport 4–5 16x slots (although not all run at 16x)

[09:02:03]

wagnerrp:

right, theyre also a lot wider than the cheaper boards

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el_duerino:

is the g210 comparable with the 8400?

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: in case you didnt notice, i did backport that 'mythpython --version' back to -fixes

[09:26:45]

wagnerrp:

so it should be available to everyone

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wagnerrp:

and anyone who doesnt have it, you can tell them to upgrade

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: saw that this morning. For both of use I hope it accomplishes the intended goals.

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sid3windr:

there are 9600s that don't support VDPAU?

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wagnerrp:

arent supposed to be

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wagnerrp:

one of the devs permanently damaged a video card by using a one of the pre-release 180.x drivers

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wagnerrp:

normal output works, but VPDAU fails with all sorts of garbage on screen

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EvilGuru:

sid3windr: I think it is either bad hardware or a software oversight

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EvilGuru:

Also, does anyone have any idea why the menu button on my Antec remote causes the menu to just flash

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EvilGuru:

So appear and then disappear as if someone pressed esc right after

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el_duerino:

the is a paremeter in lirc which sets the time between two button presses

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el_duerino:

maybe its to short and one press in intrepreted as two by your lirc server

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EvilGuru:

I'll take a look with irw

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el_duerino:

its in the .conf file four your kemote

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PeaceKeeper:

When trying to watch recordings in mythweb I get an error about the stream not being found. Where is the best place to look for this error?

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PeaceKeeper:

I have read online and the INSTALL of mythweb, still no luck

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** iamlindoro thinks Allen is a little upset about his audio page being renamed **

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justinh:

OMG what next? A mission statement? http://mythtv.org/wiki/Maintainers :-)

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** wagnerrp should make a "Rays Python Documentation" **

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johnnyj:

there's Php bindings?

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wagnerrp:

kinda sorta

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wagnerrp:

they exist, but solely in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

someone would need to split them out and spruce them up

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johnnyj:

oh- yeah – i guess they would

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wagnerrp:

thats basically how the perl bindings came into being, split off of nuvexport

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johnnyj:

and then python just to spite me

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johnnyj:

right? right?

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justinh:

who in their right mind would use php for anything but web stuff?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why they would spite you

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justinh:

hmm prolly the same reason they might use perl or bash script to do real jobs best left to proper code...

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johnnyj:

justinh – my last job was a dev firm that had a php product and they used php cli everywhere

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

takes all sorts

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wagnerrp:

i can understand php cli if youre using it for background stuff on a php-based website

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johnnyj:

they had it in the init.d scripts

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johnnyj:

the crontasks

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wagnerrp:

for instance, cacti runs its poller daemon in php

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johnnyj:

post-commit hooks

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iamlindoro:

I am almost tempted to remove the ex-allens-audio page since it's not relevant to any current version of myth anyway

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justinh:

is that the impenetrable 'digital audio howto' thing?

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justinh:

if I'm ever gonna copy a config file verbatim I expect a really good explanation of what it's doing. In English, not ALSA speak

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justinh:

there's pulseaudio... and ALSA.. and it seems.. nothing inbetween

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justinh:

wish linux audio could be a little more like ASIO.. configuring that is pretty easy

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iamlindoro:

I'd like to know why Allen's audio page has troubleshooting info for XvMC

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iamlindoro:

but oh well

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justinh:

heh I always thought audio was at the root of all the problems I had with xvmc

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justinh:

since I only really ever had issues with recordings when they had AD streams

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dustybin:

i have installed easystroke on my joggler, when i launch mythfrontend, the terminal says: gesture: left gesture: right etc, however, mythtv doesnt do anything, how can i make mythtv use gestures?

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iamlindoro:

Myth's gesture support is not hooked up to anything

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iamlindoro:

if you want to use some gesture support, it will need to all be third party tools that emulate keystrokes

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** Beirdo makes a gesture towards his TV... nope, didn't work **

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** justinh makes a gesture towards dustybin **

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: You just think so, it took sincere offense-- it'll crash during an important recording

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i have installed easystroke, that emulates keystrokes

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iamlindoro:

it's just biding its time

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: hmmm, good point

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: then you should configure it and get support from the easystroke people

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dustybin:

aye up :D

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Beirdo:

the HDPVR is supposed to arrive today, BTW

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justinh:

dustybin: another loon wanting to run mythfrontend on that inadequate hardware had to resort to making a flash-based actionscript overlay for mythfrontend. Not nice

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Beirdo:

so I planned to work from home, and then I wake up with a splitting headache... bah

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justinh:

time that'd be better spent improving mouse/touchscreen support in mythtv IMHO

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dustybin:

justinh: i had tv running on my joggler for 2 hours, no problems at all

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justinh:

especially now the OSD is mythui'd

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dustybin:

cpus were about 30%

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yahoo! ;-) (HD-PVR) — I <3 my HD-PVRs... ;-)

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johnnyj:

what's the menu sequence to get into playback profiles again?

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** Beirdo is self-medicating with coffee and tylenol **

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justinh:

sacrifice goat, wait til it's done bleeding, smear yourself completely in the blood, pick up the remote...

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justinh:

or utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback – and playback profiles are on like the 3rd page or so

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Beirdo:

and don't forget to make curry with the goat after. yum

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johnnyj:

with the goat, or from the goat?

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Beirdo:

same diff

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dustybin:

2010-06–22 17:41:54.557 Gesture: Up

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

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Beirdo:

Gesture: middle finger, right hand

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Beirdo:

oh wait. :)

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justinh:

that's twice this week there's been somebody hankering for better touch support in mythtv. if only they had the time or inclination to dabble in a bit of code

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wagnerrp:

fist behind elbow, other fist raised

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Beirdo:

heh

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johnnyj:

justinh – thanks

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Beirdo:

up yer kilt, laddie!

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

I wish this headache would die

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justinh:

awww black lab no like the blazing sunshine

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Beirdo:

aww

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PeaceKeeper:

J-e-f-f-A: Did you reload?

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PeaceKeeper:

J-e-f-f-A: I got my systems (beside mythweb streaming and prv-150 lirc on backend) running great... I small tweak to the limits.conf on my zotac ion and hd-pvr plays back nice too.

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: No actually... :-( Was copying 500GB drives to 'new' 1TB drives and it took much longer than I had expected... :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: I didn't even get myself up on 0.23-fixes :-( But at least I did end up getting my 1TB drives in, and worked out adding an additional hdd controller, so now I've got the ability to connect up to 12 SATA drives, and at this time have 11 physically in the box. ;-) MuWaHaHa!!!!

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dustybin:

I GOT EASYSTROKE WORKING WITH MYTHTV!!!!!!

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** J-e-f-f-A cheers as it appears his son FINALLY has a job!!!!! (I was ready to beat him sensless...) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: careful, this is a family channel!

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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dustybin:

:o

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wagnerrp:

easystroke?

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dustybin:

gestures

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dustybin:

i can now finger my way around mythtv

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PeaceKeeper:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I had a gilrfriend like that once....

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wagnerrp:

right, you just map those gestures to commands

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PeaceKeeper:

Where do the .flv from mythweb go when you try to stream? I am trying to troubleshoot a "stream can not be found" error

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: I'll have a few hours tomorrow night, I think I'll tackle an upgrade then.

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wagnerrp:

across the network

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: they're streamed, so no physical file on the system.

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PeaceKeeper:

Oh, well darn. Now I am not sure where to look.

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: probably the http logs

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wagnerrp:

the web server needs read access to those files on the file system

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dustybin:

i am now changing channels with my finger :D

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PeaceKeeper:

J-e-f-f-A: I see the access, but I do not see an error there. GET //mythweb/pl/stream/1774/1277168400.flv HTTP/1.1 is all I see

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PeaceKeeper:

wagnerrp: You mean the recordings dir right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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cipher42:

is the username and password in the general settings the OS user and pass or mysql user and pass?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: mysql

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cipher42:

so you don't even need an account with those credentials on the server?

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PeaceKeeper:

wagnerrp: I think id does. But I did notice all the recordings are owned by root. Is this normal?

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cipher42:

no

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: No, it's a mysql userid and password. You could run your frontend/backend as "user123" and have mysql's user be "anything987" if you wanted to..

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cipher42:

should be owned by mythtv

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sphery:

are you sure it's not accessing and still downloading, but your MythWeb host is slow enough that it's taking much longer than real time to transcode to FLV on the fly (i.e. meaning it will have to wait for a while, downloading and buffering, then will play 'til the buffer runs out, then will pause to buffer more or exit (depending on several factors))

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sphery:

i.e. I can't do FLV viewing with my recordings because my MythWeb host can't transcode my MPEG-2 HDTV to garbage-quality Flash in real time

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm

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sphery:

might be interesting to use a wget or something and watch the file it outputs--even with a: watch ls -l 1277168400.flv

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PeaceKeeper:

My recordings are owned my root, how would I know if it is taking to long?

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sphery:

are these HDTV recordings? If so, what CODEC? and which processor on your MythWeb host

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm they are HDTV and they are hvr-2250, hd-5000, and hd-pvr

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PeaceKeeper:

the processor on the host is a dual CPU, but I can not remember the ghz

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PeaceKeeper:

I will look in a sec

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: cat /proc/cpuinfo

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sphery:

So that's US, right? If so, it would be MPEG-2. Most dual-core systems should be relatively-close to real-time when transcoding those. So if you do try the wget approach, you should be able to see the file size growing.

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: the HD-PVR recordings will probably not stream unless you have a really, really fast processor!!!!

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Beirdo:

1THz?

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) **

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sphery:

ah, yeah, HD-PVR would be MPEG-4 AVC/H.264... That name is way too similar to HDHR

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** J-e-f-f-A has both. ;-) **

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sphery:

for some reason, I see the HD and the R and kind of miss the middle whenever I read about one of them

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and they say advertising doesn't work.... I'm finding myself drooling when I just opened an email from "Papa John's"... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

youre looking at having to use an i7 in turbo mode to manage streaming of HDPVR content

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sphery:

maybe that makes me medialexic

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to give firefox a list of downloads that it does sequentially?

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sphery:

would an i9 handle it without any OC'ing?

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sphery:

maybe an i11

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cipher42:

how do i get rid of the unknown decoding error?

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cipher42:

b picture before any references

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok thank you :) I will look into it later... Work is calling :(

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think you need to use a download manager add-on to get the ability to easily make it sequential downloads (though you can set max downloads in about:config)

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sphery:

or were you more interested in the command-line to use?

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wagnerrp:

just have a list of some 60 or so files to download

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wagnerrp:

and i dont want to start them all up at once

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sphery:

which would be a: firefox -remote "openURL(http://hostname/path/to/file)"

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sphery:

wget/curl FTW

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sphery:

I've used DownThemAll in Firefox for some Windows users I know

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sphery:

which is different from the shopping add-on, DownTheMall ;)

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sphery:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/201/

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive used that before at home

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why mathworks wont just provide one big archive

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wagnerrp:

no... ive got to download each individual module independently

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wagnerrp:

oh for 50mbps fiber....

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sphery:

they want to give you the opportunity to use some math... Click download, watch progress, estimate end time (knowing that browser-provided estimates are useless), so that you know when to come back and click the next link

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sphery:

and then they trac to see how efficient you were

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sphery:

though a wget or curl script would make you look like a

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sphery:

math genious

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wagnerrp:

i would just download everything all at once, but it barfs if you do more than four at a time

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sphery:

yeah, I often limit the number of concurrent downloads because it tends to be more efficient for large files

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sphery:

especially when server rate- or connection-limits you

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sidh:

Greetings

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sidh:

i used debian.mentor sources and patches for having the 0.8.6 version of lirc, but once the deb packages are installed , it fails on startup because it tries to load the modules from /lib/modules/2.6.32-5–686/kernel/ubuntu/lirc/ (that doesn't exist on debian)

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sidh:

do youthink i should create that directories and re create the .deb ?

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sphery:

Any *buntu users here? Which Qt version is in 10.04?

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sidh:

sphery: in the ubuntu package repository you could have the info iirc

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_abbenormal:

sphery, try dpkg -l qt*

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sphery:

thanks... I found it. It's 4.6.2

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DarthFrog:

Qt 4

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DarthFrog:

I have one videos storage group and only one video file in that directory. When I try to play it, I get "sh: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution". Yet when I use a remote frontend, the file plays. Anybody have any idea what might be going on? There are no ' or any special characters in the video filename (Snowcake.avi).

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EvilGuru:

As an aside: would it be possible for the backend set-up program, after one has configured input cards, to offer to write some udev rules the freeze the current /dev/ allocations for those cards?

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

yeah it would be possible alright. with patches

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justinh:

though you'd have to make sure the user mythtv-setup runs as has privileges to do that. eeew

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justinh:

surely better to give distros a good kicking til they stop mucking up such things so readily

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iamlindoro:

DarthFrog: You have configured some sort of script or something to be your video player on the frontend that is failing

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iamlindoro:

and the script is broken, or the command you have put in is

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DarthFrog:

iamlindoro: Hmm. It's Mythbuntu and I've not customised it.

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justinh:

bearing in mind that no external app will work with storage groups

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iamlindoro:

all the same :)

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DarthFrog:

The thing is, this is new in the past couple of days.

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iamlindoro:

You may not have realized it, or whatever-- it's not an assignment of blame, just a statement of fact

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DarthFrog:

Oh, I realise that.

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DarthFrog:

And the standard question, what did you change? :-)

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iamlindoro:

because the fact that the playback attempts to spawn a shell alone is enough to be sure that the frontend in question does not have default settings

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iamlindoro:

as default settings are the internal player for which no shell spawning is necessary

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justinh:

unless he's got the Israeli edition of mythbuntu with all that lovely sudo shell stuff hard-coded in :)

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DarthFrog:

Now there's a good place to look, the player assignments. And, BTW, I'm in Canuckistan. :-)

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justinh:

mythyoutube: sudo wget http://the.video.url/foo.whatever; sudo playthefile; sudo rm thefile

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iamlindoro:

Didn't those guys far predate mythbuntu?

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justinh:

maybe, maybe not

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justinh:

they were doing awful things in code, I do remember that much

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iamlindoro:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/heliocreek/

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DarthFrog:

<- has a new hero. iamlindoro FTW!!! :-)

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iamlindoro:

DarthFrog: What'd it end up being?

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DarthFrog:

iamlindoro: Thank you for your observation, it was a bingo.

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iamlindoro:

cool

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DarthFrog:

I must have had a finger fumble when I was on the player settings page. The first player listed was internal'.

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DarthFrog:

Removing the extraneous ' was the solution.

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iamlindoro:

cool

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iamlindoro:

glad you got it figured out

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DarthFrog:

With your help, many thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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justinh:

heh no activity on heliocreek for a while. another 'friendly' fork bites the dusticles

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** iamlindoro kicks Canon **

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iamlindoro:

I wanna new camera, announce the 60D already

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wagnerrp:

thats a rather appropriate name

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wagnerrp:

its the '60D' camera

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wagnerrp:

it will 'bring new life' to your photographs

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** EvilGuru is still waiting for the 38DD **

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justinh:

joggler-cam ?

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wagnerrp:

no, i dont think you would be jogging with two of those

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iamlindoro:

Not that I don't encourage people to try

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** justinh imagines some kind of scaffolding arrangement **

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justinh:

reminds me I need to go camera shopping. viddy-o and still.. dunno whether to compromise & get a cam which does both or what

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EvilGuru:

Some of the higher end ones do quite good 1080p

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justinh:

don't need/want HD

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that's the goal-- no point upgrading to a 50D when the 60D will do 1080p/60 with all my fancy glass

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EvilGuru:

If you have cash to burn the EOS 5D is very nice

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iamlindoro:

Could spend a bit more an get a 7D, but meh

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justinh:

can't edit HD on my laptop.. something of an oversight on my part

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justinh:

mpeg2 hd yes. whatever these cams produce.. nah

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** EvilGuru is still waiting for Intel to support H.264 decoding on the X4500 **

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justinh:

heheh. happy waiting

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justinh:

you might aswell wait for proper HD decoding on ATI in linux too

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Or that, my laptop has Intel + ATI combo

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iamlindoro:

Whelp, lucky for all of you Mark K exists

[14:26:35]

iamlindoro:

and opened a tracking ticket for VAAPI support last night, including his initial work

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iamlindoro:

(for you ATI owners, anyway)

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iamlindoro:

and poulsbo folk

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** EvilGuru would be surprised if ATI ever released the specs for the UVD **

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iamlindoro:

They won't, but you don't need them to

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iamlindoro:

just need their binary driver and VAAPI

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sphery:

and a 32-bit distro, of course (or at least a multilib distro with 32-bit X)

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iamlindoro:

XvBA supported via VAAPI

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sphery:

after all, why would AMD (of all companies) support x86_64 (formerly AMD64)? ;)

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AndyCap:

EvilGuru: I think I saw some vaapi activty for intel x4500 recently.

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EvilGuru:

Be interesting to see if it gets anywhere, as Wikipedia claims that the version in my laptop supports H.264 decoding

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justinh:

wish my laptop supported playing video synced to refresg

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justinh:

*refresh

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justinh:

stupid crap

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justinh:

intel suck

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johnnyj:

what's the vdpau capable pcie card du jour ?

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sidh:

ok it seems compiling lirc from latest stable release and start the service works

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Sad thing is that their recent hardware is not too bad, but their drivers are...awful

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justinh:

johnnyj: gtx 220 / whatever prolly

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sidh:

but when i reboot and run mode2 -r -d /dev/lirc0, nothing happens when i press remote buttons

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justinh:

pointless getting all the VDPAU part C stuff if you've a CPU that can eat divx & all that junk anyway

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EvilGuru:

One possible reason for the newer cards is that they provide a virtual ALSA device

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EvilGuru:

as opposed to using an S/P-DIF passthrough cable from your motherboard

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justinh:

arghh why did Panasonic move to their own battery pack? Love my DMC-LZ1 cos you can put any ole junk battery in it

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johnnyj:

ok there's a million gt220 cards

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johnnyj:

wow

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EvilGuru:

johnnyj: And they will almost all be exactly the same (PCB and chip wise)

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justinh:

bleh even canon are doing it. wanna pocket-ish sized camera that takes ordinary batteries. been extorted out of cash for spare batt packs before

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justinh:

and if I *do* go HD camcorder, not bothering with one of those daft pocket ones. they're all plagued by shaky images with stupid cmos sensor roll

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justinh:

ugh. touch screen interface

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sphery:

wagnerrp: OK, now I'm convinced that your read on the backstory of the double-episode was exactly right

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iamlindoro:

derr ;)

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EvilGuru:

justinh: If you happen to reside in the UK you might want to consider buying your camera sooner rather than later

[15:01:38]

wagnerrp:

sphery: just look at the filename

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wagnerrp:

'.720p.mkv'

[15:01:55]

wagnerrp:

who would actually /want/ to put that garbage into their own file names

[15:01:59]

wagnerrp:

who would care

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sphery:

I guess in my naivete, I just wanted to believe.

[15:02:32]

sphery:

and since there wasn't any 1337 ripper name in the file name, I figured, maybe he did just name it that

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sphery:

but, the "read little effort" (which transcoding is not) was enough to convince me

[15:04:09]

sphery:

I wouldn't be surprised if the only real effort involved so far was remembering to strip out the 1337 ripper name from the file name

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justinh:

EvilGuru: I've got til January :) And no, it'll be nabbed before the month is out. baby coming

[15:06:30]

justinh:

god, I keep going on about that

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iamlindoro:

sphery: more likely, simply from the e-mail

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iamlindoro:

in reality, the file still likely has it

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sphery:

iamlindoro: oh, yeah, that's what I meant... stripped it from the pasted file name, not from the real one

[15:07:39]

iamlindoro:

heh, yeah

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EvilGuru:

justinh: bad time for babies as well, from what I got of the budget

[15:08:20]

justinh:

is there ever a good time if you look at them from a purely fiscal viewpoint? :-O

[15:08:40]

wagnerrp:

depends on whether youre on welfare

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Beirdo:

yawn

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EvilGuru:

depends if you can put them up on craigslist or not

[15:08:56]

Beirdo:

still feel like CRAP

[15:08:57]

justinh:

done all the sums, and even without the convoluted tax credit business we'll cope – so any more is a bonus

[15:09:18]

Beirdo:

oh, and my little firewall box can not do monowall

[15:09:32]

wagnerrp:

what box is that?

[15:09:38]

Beirdo:

freebsd doesn't do the network drivers... moving on to smoothwall or shorewall

[15:09:39]

justinh:

wagnerrp: with any luck the govt is on the brink of making people on benefits work :D

[15:09:53]

AndyCap:

justinh: oh, no, the poor people

[15:09:53]

wagnerrp:

certainly not our government

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Beirdo:

The little foxconn Atom box... arrived today

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EvilGuru:

best way to get them back into work is to get us out of the world cup

[15:10:22]

wagnerrp:

why would it not run monowall? lack of drivers?

[15:10:28]

Beirdo:

correct

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justinh:

they should give people rewards for shopping benefit fraudsters too :D

[15:10:38]

Beirdo:

freebsd doesn't see either the wireless or wired

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Beirdo:

go freebsd

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Beirdo:

at least not the version used in monowall

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Beirdo:

archaic software FTW

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BLZbubba:

dos 3.3 0wnz

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justinh:

bloody heck. I can afford the camera iamlindoro wants :-O I think my bank account is broken

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iamlindoro:

hah

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Beirdo:

wonder where my other USB dongles went

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iamlindoro:

well, theoretically can afford it, anyway, it will probably be another 30–60 days to be able to get one

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justinh:

seriously.. it's like my salary has been going in the last 2 months but nothing has come out.. only it has.. everything is being paid & I'm still *way* in the black

[15:19:56]

justinh:

oh well. this'll be the last time this happens in my life so I'll cherish it

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok I recorded a show from a pvr-150 and I still can not stream :( Can not find .flv

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Hey, that's exactly what's been happening to my bank account for the last 10 years!!!!

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justinh:

haven't been feeling especially tightwaddish lately either

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Oh wait, you're 'way in the black'.. woops, i'm always on the edge between red and black... ;-)

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Malard:

hi, i'm trying to change the internal dvd player to VLC because it seems to have very choppy playback of the first scene then hangs on many dvd's. i've tried putting "vlc %s vlc://quit" as the command line (excluding quotes) and vlc fails to play saying, unable to play %s

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Malard:

it seems mythtv isnt swapping out %s for the path, what should it be?

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iamlindoro:

Malard: The DVD player path will never change, why would oyu need a variable?

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iamlindoro:

vld /dev/dvd or whatever

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iamlindoro:

er vlc /dev/dvd

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iamlindoro:

%s is filenames in the file player settings, not device paths

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Malard:

ah okay

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Malard:

ty, i was wondering if it used the same command line for ripped dvd's

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iamlindoro:

no, it does not

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Malard:

cool

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Malard:

ty

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iamlindoro:

ripped DVDs are just another file extension

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iamlindoro:

np

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PeaceKeeper:

.mpg does not exist... on trying to download in mythweb too. maybe that is a lead :D

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bwallen:

What is a good frontend that's easy to use (read: wife friendly)? I was thinking maybe an appletv? Are there any other such small boxes that would work?

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PeaceKeeper:

not recognized in any storage groups directories for this host.

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justinh:

wow that's funny. streaming works here. must've configured mythweb correctly or something

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PeaceKeeper:

fixed :D chmod 775 /home/mythtv fixed my streaming

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PeaceKeeper:

justinh: Sorry I was typing that the sametime you replied.

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PeaceKeeper:

It even streams my hd-pvr recording decent

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justinh:

well it will, but is dependent on your backend's cpu being able to transcode content fast enough

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justinh:

I had my athlon 800 machine at a linux expo serving to 3 frontends and flash streaming a few years back. only SDTV mind

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justinh:

that show was a laugh... well at least the social part of it.. emptying the bar of Jack Daniels. Ahh those were the days

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PeaceKeeper:

Can i change the aspect of flowplayer to 16:9. I see I can change the width, but it still seems 4:3

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justinh:

I just had a 16:9 show in 16:9 here

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PeaceKeeper:

humm maybe this was not 16:9 let me try another. thx

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PeaceKeeper:

That was it :D Thank you for your help

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bwallen:

I'm thinking of buying a used laptop with DVI out to use as a frontend. Is this a good idea?

[16:04:07]

justinh:

bwallen: depends

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bwallen:

justinh: just on the hardware specs you mean? I want it to play HD recorded from an over the air signal

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justinh:

mpeg2 HD?

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justinh:

any recentish CPU should cope just fine

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bwallen:

I don't know if it'll be mpeg2. I'm just planning right now, so I don't know which capture card I'll end up getting

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justinh:

if you're in the US or canada it'll be mpeg2

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justinh:

anywhere else it's likely to be h.264 – then you're looking at 2.4Ghz dual core

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justinh:

as a minimum... ish

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skd5aner:

or VDPAU

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justinh:

yeah but how many used laptops are gonna have that? :)

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bwallen:

damn, this just got expensive

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sphery:

"[mythtv] Regarding EIT" Wasn't that the one with Harrison Ford?

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iamlindoro:

very obscure

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sphery:

heh

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** iamlindoro ands sphery some Mallowmars **

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sphery:

I can't help it. I have to let these strange thoughts out or they build up.

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iamlindoro:

er hands

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sphery:

heh--now /that/ is obscure

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iamlindoro:

See? I see your obscurity and raise you a passing reference

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Users not taking the time to understand priority, aisle five

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iamlindoro:

(and instead claiming it's broken)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I think my mop is broken. It never helps clean up the mess.

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sphery:

only gets 100 more people involved and yelling at me

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iamlindoro:

Someday you'll get to be a bagger

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iamlindoro:

but for now

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iamlindoro:

CLEANUP ON AISLE FIVE

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bwallen:

I wish someone would make a commercial mythfrontend

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sidh:

is there another chan than #lirc for troubleshoot a remote problem ?

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kormoc:

bwallen, if you want to pay me money to get myhtfrontend, feel free

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justinh:

oh people have dabbled in commercial frontends

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justinh:

and indeed backends

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justinh:

which is why people now have to pay the nice people at Schedules Direct $20 a year

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sphery:

iamlindoro: there, I'll now get a bunch of "well, you could just tell us instead of holding out" replied

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sphery:

replies, that is

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iamlindoro:

heh

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justinh:

and be sure to pay the nice mpeg lot a license fee... and macrovision.. and frauhoffer or whoever.. and countless more who'd be likely to sue yo backside

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bwallen:

all that just to watch some tv.... guess I'll have to not be lazy and do it myself

[16:20:36]

justinh:

yeah I talked to a good few greedy business types at a linux trade show a few years back who all salivated at the prospect of selling a mythtv box – but strangely when the reality of the situation was pointed out to them they all suddenly lost interest

[16:20:49]

sphery:

Mythbuntu is pretty darn close to a commercial mythfrontend's usability/ease of install (especially for those who are already *buntu-aware)

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justinh:

sphery: tis not, IMHO. installer fails without fail on my frontend. have to manually partition

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sphery:

i.e. go with a MythTV distro--there's absolutely no benefit to starting with a different distro (say, Ubuntu) and just adding MythTV to it (to get, what in the end turns out to be just a badly-configured Mythbuntu)

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sphery:

justinh: ok, maybe I should say, "as close as you're likely to find" ? :)

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justinh:

heh

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sidh:

sphery: does mythbunthu still use pulse-audio ?

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justinh:

it doesn't matter. mythfrontend still disables it :)

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sphery:

all I know is that they've made it so that it gets out of the way when appropriate if it's still there

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sidh:

;)

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sidh:

i read that only the BETA version use mythtv 0.23, so do you think BETA is stable enough to use it ?

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sidh:

oh it has been released

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EvilGuru:

Anyone else seen tis: http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-car . . . a-and-intel/

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

43 pages?!

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EvilGuru:

Although I consider his final scores questional (same gen cards with same drivers getting different scores)

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wagnerrp:

they are using a monitor that supports 42-bit color

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wagnerrp:

for a card that supports 24-bit color

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wagnerrp:

and a compressed video stream that supports 12-bit color

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wagnerrp:

thats right folks! all of your recordings and optical media is only 12-bit

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Kind of, it does make a difference

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justinh:

heh. CD is only 14 bit

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EvilGuru:

As sure you've only got a 24-bit range, but how that range maps to actual colours on screen is important

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wagnerrp:

not 16-bit?

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EvilGuru:

justinh: CD is 16, Sony won that one, IIRC

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justinh:

sure I read a techy paper back in the day that said it was basically 14 bit

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EvilGuru:

sRGB and Adobe 1998 will have different mappings from a 24-bit input, so having a 14-bit LUT is important for reproduction

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justinh:

ahh we're both right

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wagnerrp:

huh? you can set your extents to whatever you want

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justinh:

phillips initially used eight to fourteen modulation

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wagnerrp:

24-bit color make no difference to the range, only the variability within that range

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Right. But that range needs to be mapped to intensities inside the monitor

[16:34:10]

wagnerrp:

you can certainly get full sRGB/Adobe'98 color space out of a 24-bit output

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EvilGuru:

So if you want a monitor to be able to reproduce sRGB/Adobe it needs to work with a range > 24-bits

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wagnerrp:

and you can do it with 24-bit internal color handling as well

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EvilGuru:

At least, internally

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why

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justinh:

EvilGuru: point being, all these 'guru' sites peddle inane amounts of BS

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justinh:

and all to placate 'philes'

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Colour spaces map values to wavelengths. Since sRGB and Adobe are different mappings from [0,255] => wavelengths you have # wavelengths > 256 hence need to work with a range > 256 internally

[16:39:08]

wagnerrp:

still not understanding why

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wagnerrp:

your colorspace or gamut is just your output range

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bwallen:

would an nvidia ion play mpeg2 hd?

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wagnerrp:

you could have 2-bit color, and still encompass the entire range

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justinh:

point being, people have more interesting things to do with their lives than read 43 page 'reports' :D

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Right, but sRGB and Adobe have different physical ranges

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justinh:

though I'd still rather do that than watch a 3 hour film

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wagnerrp:

yes, and all you have to do is make your display capable of the extents of those ranges, and your golden

[16:40:55]

wagnerrp:

it makes no difference how many points you can hit within that range

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Precisely. And to support both the crystals need to have more than 256 possible states

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wagnerrp:

thats your color resolution, and it has no bearing on your range

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wagnerrp:

yeah... i dont see why

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justinh:

distill down to "For now, KitGuru can state clearly that ATI’s Radeon HD 5000 series cards offer the best HD video reproduction quality available in the market."... but they don't say *except if you want to use Linux

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: The greenest green in the Adobe space is 'greener' than that in sRGB

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wagnerrp:

uh huh, so you set that as your peak green value, and youre done

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EvilGuru:

then you'd fail to support sRGB

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wagnerrp:

you support more than sRGB

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wagnerrp:

you have enveloped sRGB

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EvilGuru:

which is bad, as that is not sRGB

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Beirdo:

need blank cd! dangit

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dustybin:

the frontend works on the joggler, but there are quite a few random pauses, i think thats due to overheating

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EvilGuru:

when selecting a colour space you need to hit it perfectly for it to be meaningful

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** J-e-f-f-A drops a blank cd in the mail for Bierdo. **

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wagnerrp:

oh, so you are specifically looking for a monitor that has a button to let you flip between different exact color spaces

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EvilGuru:

yeah

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Beirdo:

hehe

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EvilGuru:

most of the higher ends ones allow you to do so

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wagnerrp:

see, now thats completely different

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EvilGuru:

which is why internally the monitor needs to work with a 10- or 14-bit LUT

[16:45:16]

wagnerrp:

they actually need a look-up-table?

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wagnerrp:

you cant just define a simple curve-fit to describe the response of the crystals?

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justinh:

yeah so they can do all the stupid colour mangling they do

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Since it is only a few values a LUT is probably quicker/cheaper

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm guessing they need a LUT since the light output is probably not linear.

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EvilGuru:

Then you've got the nasty 6-bit TN-film monitors, those things burn my eyes

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wagnerrp:

meh, for a $2700 monitor, you could afford to spend a couple bucks on an FPGA

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wagnerrp:

want to flip to a new colorspace? bake a new discrete transform into the chip

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wagnerrp:

2 seconds later, and you dont have to diddle around with the excessive bit scales

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EvilGuru:

£2700 is a lot, my 3008WFP only cost me £800 some time ago

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dustybin:

my joggler is using VDPAU for video!!!

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dustybin:

wtf

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EvilGuru:

Still I would like to know how ffmpeg and friends perform in that test

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EvilGuru:

At least so far as deinterlacing and scaling go

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wagnerrp:

your joggler is not using VDPAU for video

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justinh:

been said that if you need test gear to spot quality differences you need to GET A LIFE

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wagnerrp:

its failing through to the Xv rule at the bottom of the list

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skd5aner:

hehe

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Beirdo:

sphery: this little box has atom D510... dual core, hyperthreaded. Linux sees it as 4 CPUs :)

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** dustybin fiddles with Beirdo box **

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Beirdo:

Max TDP 13W

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Beirdo:

perv

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EvilGuru:

1996 called, they want their CPU back :P

[16:59:58]

wagnerrp:

wait... i thought you were male

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Beirdo:

get over it, this is a Q1'10 processor

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sid3windr:

lol

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EvilGuru:

(At least I think OOE came in 1995–1995.)

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Beirdo:

and does VT-x

[17:00:55]

Beirdo:

and is 64-bit

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Beirdo:

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43098

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EvilGuru:

And is so crippled it needs special dispatchers in glibc to work around some of poor instructions

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sidh:

Beirdo: i wish yu you won't have the bad experience i had with intel D945GCLF2 intel's atom MB and his shitty S-VIDEO output

[17:02:00]

Beirdo:

language...

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wagnerrp:

i dont see VT-x in the supported list

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EvilGuru:

That, combined with a lack of out of order execution and a limited number of ALUs make it a poor chip

[17:02:30]

Beirdo:

ah, I went cross-eyed, you are right

[17:02:40]

Beirdo:

bah

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wagnerrp:

not that i would run virtualization, much less on such a platform

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Beirdo:

it will make an excellent firewall

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wagnerrp:

yeah, shouldnt be any problems with that

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Beirdo:

now stop with the blid hate :)

[17:03:23]

wagnerrp:

maybe a bit overpowered

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EvilGuru:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/917801 . . . m_processors

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wagnerrp:

a whole 13W for a firewall? tsk tsk...

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Beirdo:

yeah hehe

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Beirdo:

shame on me

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Beirdo:

but... I need blank CD to install smoothwall

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

grr.

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Beirdo:

I'm almost feeling well enough to go get hosed by Walgreens for a couple

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EvilGuru:

Beirdo: smoothwall? Is that related to shorewall?

[17:07:11]

Beirdo:

don't think so

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sidh:

Beirdo: go with PF

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Beirdo:

I may try shorewall

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Beirdo:

can't

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Beirdo:

Freebsd (at least in monowall) has no drivers for the NIC or the wireless

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sidh:

PFSense is a good starting point if you need web based administration

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sidh:

Beirdo: are ou joking ?

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Beirdo:

no I'm not joking

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Beirdo:

I installed monowall, and it didn't see either interface

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec

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sidh:

what kind of hardware ?

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Beirdo:

Realtek 8171 for wireless

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Beirdo:

Attansic 1063?! as ethernet

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Beirdo:

using atl1c Linux driver

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Beirdo:

Atheros, I think

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sidh:

well atheros is quite well supported on FreeBSD

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sidh:

depends however on the chips

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Beirdo:

of course

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i would say part of the problem is monowall is an 8MB installer

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sidh:

i've bought very good atheros mini pci nic for my laptop

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wagnerrp:

its probably specially designed for a couple platforms

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

and has all the other drivers stripped out

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Beirdo:

yeah, the installer may just suck, true

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Beirdo:

but with neither interface available, what to do?

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sidh:

Beirdo: if you have one hour , give try to pfsense

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wagnerrp:

for example, ive got 25MB of kernel modules on my (stripped down) freebsd install

[17:15:39]

wagnerrp:

ive got 250MB of kernel modules on my stock install

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Beirdo:

still dunno if the Realtek 8171 will work in FreeBSD though

[17:17:08]

wagnerrp:

hmm... seems when i strip out the debug symbols, its only 43M

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wagnerrp:

but still, thats FAR more than the 8MB for the entire system monowall gives you

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

8171? not heard of that model

[17:18:44]

Beirdo:

well, the sticker on the box says Realtek 8191SE

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sidh:

Beirdo: Realtek provide very bad drivers in general

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Beirdo:

but lspci says 8171

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** wagnerrp rants a bit more about not having FIOS **

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Beirdo:

OK, explain to me which image to grab :)

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Beirdo:

the 1g, 2g, etc... is that drive space or memory?

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wagnerrp:

i assume disk space

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ive got no problem running my fairly stock bsd install on my 256MB firewall

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sidh:

intel NIC , sangoma, 3com are far better performant

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Beirdo:

well, I have a 160GB drive in there

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wagnerrp:

i think it uses like 50MB of actual memory

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sidh:

Beirdo: for pfsense go with the embed image

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Beirdo:

yeah too bad, it's built-in ;)

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sidh:

128 MB iirc

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wagnerrp:

and the rest is taken by BIND and disk cache

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Beirdo:

I don't see an embed image

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Beirdo:

ftp://reflection.ncsa.uiuc.edu/pub/pfSense/downloads

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Beirdo:

the first US mirror I found

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sidh:

maybe i had to make it myself from a iso

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sidh:

i check the wiki

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Beirdo:

unless those 1g, 2g, etc are embedded images

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Beirdo:

I'm not doing CompactFLASH

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Beirdo:

there's a real SATA 2.5" drive in there

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sidh:

http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/HOWTO_Install_pfSense

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sidh:

ahhh ok sorry i use soekris net5501

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sidh:

with CF card and syslog-ng

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Beirdo:

I used openbsd with pf for quite some time

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Beirdo:

as long as aiccu will work, all is good

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sidh:

Beirdo: yes if you don't need web based admin (that 's bad) openbsd is the royal way

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Beirdo:

but I don't feel like using OpenBSD right now

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

FreeBSD is bad enough

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johnnyj:

ha

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johnnyj:

the list is discussing the analog hole again

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Beirdo:

survey says.. the 4g in the filename is the image size when uncompressed to disk

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Beirdo:

lets see if it will boot...

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Beirdo:

blinky cursor, noting more

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Beirdo:

nope, not booting

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wagnerrp:

i dont like how people call it a 'loophole'

[17:39:13]

wagnerrp:

its not a loophole, its just recording what comes off your cable box

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wagnerrp:

youre just continuing to do the same thing youve done for decades

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** Beirdo shakes his head at pfSense **

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Beirdo:

unless I just installed some customized garbage image, it won't even boot

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wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever used any of those

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, I like the idea of installing via dd

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Beirdo:

but it ain't workin

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Beirdo:

ugh, nap time

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EvilGuru:

Ugh. WD can be stupid sometimes. My new Caviar Green disk parks the heads after 8s

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EvilGuru:

At this rate (1500 cycles over three days) the drive will be on its last legs in a couple of years

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sphery:

EvilGuru: WDIDLE3

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sphery:

Note, also, that I'm not recommending that approach. Any consequences of your choosing to do so are your own fault. :)

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dustybin:

my joggler will switch on BBC1 at 6:30am

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dustybin:

30 6 * * 1–5 /home/joggler/alarm.sh

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dustybin:

mythtv frontend alarm clock ftw :D

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EvilGuru:

I wonder why the designed a drive like that? Surely they must know that a high load count causes death

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EvilGuru:

It wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't put the root partition on it, however, it is unlikely that root will go for more than 10–15s without a write

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** sphery tends to expect that the designers/manufacturers of a drive know more about the drive than I do **

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sphery:

in other words, I have a feeling if they designed it that way, it's not going to be a problem

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EvilGuru:

sphery: The spec sheet lists 300,000

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dustybin:

my joggler keeps pausing because of LOTS and LOTS of these

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dustybin:

2010-06–22 23:07:27.758 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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dustybin:

2010-06–22 23:07:27.758 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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dustybin:

am i right in thinking that this has nothing to do with my graphics?!

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dustybin:

i swapped to /dev/dsp, seems ok now

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dustybin:

nn

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dustybin:

*bed

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EvilGuru:

With 0.21 I used to run the frontend in a window. Sometimes I used to move the window about. With 0.23 if I move a playback window and then exit the playback the menu window snaps back to where it was before I moved it

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EvilGuru:

As if playback and menu's use two different windows internally

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Rebecca:

k-man: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Leadtek_Winfast_DTV_Dongle_Gold <- one of them

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Rebecca:

which is being sold by MSY for 35au$

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Beirdo:

pfSense also doesn't see the interfaces

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Beirdo:

** Beirdo makes rude gestures towards FreeBSD **

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nichos:

hi all, i've been having nothing but problems with my HVR-2250. I've done a few re-installs and I continue to have issues. I keep losing my device. That is, when I go to setup and select DVR, sometimes adapter0 is avail, sometimes not

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nichos:

ive had it working, but then it will myth frontend & backend will crash while watching TV, and the cards are gone.

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nichos:

Here's the relevent dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/DFddwF77

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Beirdo:

spank comcast

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wagnerrp:

comcast? whats that?

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wagnerrp:

oh, were you referring to Xfinity?

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Beirdo:

ugh, blah!

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Beirdo:

Smoothwall's too old to support this either.

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Beirdo:

fuh!

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna download a lucid ISO and do shorewall

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Beirdo:

bite me, prepackaged crap

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

seems nichos needs a new card

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nichos:

hi all, im having so many troubles with my hvr-2250, what would be a good alternative to it? One that's fully supported? I'm looking at the hvr-1250

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sphery:

nichos: best I can offer is:

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sphery:

!url devices

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword devices

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sphery:

er, what did he call it

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sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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sphery:

nichos: there it is... ^^^

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sphery:

I'm sure some other people have opinions, so you may want to hang out and see what others say

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nichos:

thanks

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nichos:

im looking at the myth wiki and on the 2250 page it says it's not supported, but on the matrix page it says it is

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** nichos is willing to buy a new card, since his GF is very unhappy the TV is down **

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv wiki says analog on the 2250 is not supported

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wagnerrp:

digital works just fine

[20:45:39]

wagnerrp:

for myth's purposes, consider a 2250 to be two 1250s tied together

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nichos:

i keep having all kinds of propblems with it

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nichos:

sometimes it works, sometimes it drops out and crashes the backend and front end

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nichos:

when it works ive been very happy with it, but it seems very unstable

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt be crashing the backend, it cannot crash the frontend

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nichos:

well, if the backend goes down, won't that take out the front end?:)

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wagnerrp:

no, the frontend will just drop back to the menu and complain that the backend is offline

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nichos:

well, here's what i get from dmesg: http://pastebin.com/DFddwF77

[20:48:54]

nichos:

then i look at mythtv setup and there are no cards available

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nichos:

sometimes a reboot will fix it, sometimes not. There's pages of this stuff on ubuntu forums but nothing solid

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nichos:

i know the module is in it's infancy

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nichos:

which is why im considering a new card

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wagnerrp:

not really, the driver module has been around for about a year now

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nichos:

Are you using it?

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wagnerrp:

no

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nichos:

ive tried so many things, mythdora, mythbuntu, ubuntu, all end up with this problem

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nichos:

i know it's not myths problem

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Beirdo:

heh

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nichos:

should myth be stable enough to use as your main TV source?

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wagnerrp:

should be, yes

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Beirdo:

so you likely have a driver issue or hardware issue, so you change the software layer. Interesting choice.

[20:54:21]

nichos:

beirdo – cheapest and readily available

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Beirdo:

understood :)

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** Beirdo waits impatiently... come on, you stupid lucid ISO **

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wagnerrp:

at least you dont have hiccups

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** wagnerrp waits impatiently for them to stop **

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Beirdo:

ick

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nichos:

BOO

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Beirdo:

I do still have a high-grade headache though

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nichos:

if it were a driver issue, where to start?

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wagnerrp:

maybe in #linuxtv

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wagnerrp:

!seen stoth

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MythLogBot:

stoth was last seen 12 hours 18 minutes 4 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

likely at the driver page

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wagnerrp:

or that guy

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Beirdo:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Beirdo:

:)

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nichos:

saa7162 devices (will be supported)

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nichos:

infancy i say! :P

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wagnerrp:

(hic)

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Beirdo:

http://www.steventoth.net/blog/products/hvr-2250/

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wagnerrp:

(hic)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: put down the beer :)

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wagnerrp:

i swear, i havent been drinking

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wagnerrp:

i get them often after eating

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nichos:

thanks for the info guys

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wagnerrp:

but usually i can stop it within a couple

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Beirdo:

good luck, nichos

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wagnerrp:

but this ti-(hic)-me they just keep going

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nichos:

ty

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Beirdo:

I intend to get one of those myself a bit later

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I usually get them after drinking Coke, etc too fast

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wagnerrp:

wait... are they done?

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Beirdo:

hic

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wagnerrp:

i think they are

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Beirdo:

hic

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curtlee:

wagnerrp: How can I get mythtv to not SD when I am recording HD on my pchdtv 5500?

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curtlee:

*not recorde SD

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wagnerrp:

set the preferred input to be your 5500

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wagnerrp:

or remove all your tuners, and add back the 5500 digital input first

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curtlee:

sorry, i didn't discribe my problem well

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curtlee:

I removed the SD channels that are the sames as the HD channels

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wagnerrp:

or set the matching channels over your analog tuner as hidden, so mythtv will not even try to use them

[21:09:31]

wagnerrp:

if the channels dont exist, mythtv cannot possibly record off them

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curtlee:

my problem now is that while mythtv is recording HD channels, it will also try recording different shows in SD. The SD recordings are just trash.

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wagnerrp:

if youre using the analog side of the 5500 as well, make sure to put the two into an 'input group', so mythtv knows it can only use one at a time

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curtlee:

oh, so I can just set them both to the generic input group?

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wagnerrp:

no, the 'generic' group is a place holder

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wagnerrp:

doesnt do anything

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wagnerrp:

you need to create a new group, and add them both to it

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curtlee:

okay, thanks so much

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yates`:

are the multicore systems like the AMD Phenom X2 a good choice for a software-encoding-based system?

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yates`:

can a mythtv system play hd dvds?

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wagnerrp:

none of the software encoders employed by mythtv support multi-threading

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can play the EVO files from an HDDVD, but it cannot directly handle the directory structure or decryption of an HDDVDD

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yates`:

wagnerrp: but can't you encode multiple streams using one encode per process?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if myth will do that

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wagnerrp:

but assuming it does, audio is trivial to encode

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yates`:

i'm confused about encoding: when is it done? there are no more analog OTA channels. if ATSC, then it's already encoded. if dvd, it's already encoded.

[21:59:44]

wagnerrp:

correct, digital broadcasts, dvds, other optical media... its all pre-encoded

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt do anything

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wagnerrp:

just copies the compressed data

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yates`:

when would an encoder ever be used in current-day systems?

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wagnerrp:

if youre using an ancient framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

they cost next to nothing to produce

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wagnerrp:

so many companies throw them onto their digital tuners

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yates`:

like playing an old VHS or somesuch?

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yates`:

S-video into the tuner card?

[22:01:21]

wagnerrp:

more likely capturing off a cable or satellite receiver

[22:01:37]

wagnerrp:

of course thats assuming youre using a framegrabber, rather than MPEG encoder or HDPVR

[22:02:11]

yates`:

framegrabber? is that a function that decodes/stores NTSC frames?

[22:02:21]

Beirdo:

mmm, my own iced latte's better than the one from Starbucks :)

[22:02:25]

wagnerrp:

a framegrabber is a very simple analog tuner card

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wagnerrp:

that simply makes the raw video frames available at a location in memory

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wagnerrp:

which mythtv then has to go, copy, and encode in real time

[22:02:52]

yates`:

wagnerrp: what is the input?

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Beirdo:

it grabs frames... hence the name :)

[22:03:09]

yates`:

s-video?

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wagnerrp:

they may or may not provide an audio capture mechanism, many require you to use the line-input on your sound card

[22:03:14]

wagnerrp:

analog

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wagnerrp:

so NTSC, PAL, svideo, composite....

[22:03:46]

wagnerrp:

there are some framegrabbers that do component and HDMI, but neither of which are supported by mythtv

[22:03:59]

Beirdo:

no response from weather.com yet

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the concept of real-time encoding of HD content is madness

[22:04:25]

Beirdo:

I give them to the end of the week... if nothing, I pull out the weather.com maps

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yates`:

wagnerrp: that was going to be another question: why does encoding have to be real-time? sure, it might be NICE, but not really necessary if you're willing to wait, right?

[22:05:14]

Beirdo:

ummm

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Beirdo:

if it's not real-time, you miss frames

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yates`:

not if you're storing them on HD

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wagnerrp:

yates`: mpeg2 is typically compressed to 80:1 or better

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Beirdo:

real-time means that it can capture the frames as fast as they come in

[22:05:44]

wagnerrp:

h264 generally runs 150:1 or better

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yates`:

yeah, but why couldn't you spool it to disk, then encode it at your leisure?

[22:06:07]

wagnerrp:

standard definition video would be on the order of 25MB/s to capture raw

[22:06:16]

Beirdo:

ummm, because it would be huge

[22:06:18]

wagnerrp:

thats a huge amount of disk space to use

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yates`:

1920x1080x3x60?

[22:07:02]

Beirdo:

HD raw would saturate the drive bandwidth and PCI bus, etc, would it not?

[22:07:19]

yates`:

3 bytes per pixel? 8-bit rgb?

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wagnerrp:

HD raw is on 1.5gbps

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wagnerrp:

technically, its only 1.5 bytes per pixel

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yates`:

4:2:2?

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wagnerrp:

4:2:0

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wagnerrp:

no, thats not right... how much is it..

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Beirdo:

124Mpixels/s

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Beirdo:

so if it's 1.5bytes/pixel...

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Beirdo:

186MB/s

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Beirdo:

good luck finding drives that can do that on an ongoing basis

[22:09:30]

wagnerrp:

no, 12-bits per pixel, thats right

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yates`:

point noted

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yates`:

so that's why you need real-time.

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Beirdo:

and yes, nearly 1.5gbit/s

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wagnerrp:

anyway, mpeg2 is not easy to multi-thread

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wagnerrp:

and h264 would require an inordinate amount of power to do in real time

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Beirdo:

I want a terahertz processor to do it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

youre talking about needing a pair of those 12-core i7s

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oobe:

but does that really equivalent to a terraherts

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oobe:

i mean not all application will use multi threading

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

h264 will run one thread per slice

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wagnerrp:

so if you run 24 slices, you can use all 24 cores

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wagnerrp:

not thats getting a bit excessive

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** Beirdo slices his hard drive **

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wagnerrp:

because youre effectively encoding 24 independent videos

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wagnerrp:

so your efficiency drops off

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yates`:

[R]!

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yates`:

from #fedora?

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[R]:

omg... someone is in 2 channels at once... what is the world coming to

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** yates` claps **

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Beirdo:

you said the f-word

[22:13:33]

Beirdo:

heh

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yates`:

fedora you

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Beirdo:

I could use a fedora. They are nice hats.

[22:14:13]

Beirdo:

thanks :)

[22:14:17]

yates`:

soo..., anyway, for my uses, i won't be doing encoding.

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[R]:

i should get a fedora

[22:14:32]

yates`:

i tip my fedora

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wagnerrp:

ok henry

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yates`:

[R] == henry?

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yates`:

oh wow

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yates`:

hi henry

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[R]:

wagnerrp: henry?

[22:15:18]

wagnerrp:

henry jones junior

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[R]:

whos that?

[22:15:29]

wagnerrp:

...

[22:15:44]

[R]:

oh... indiana jones

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[R]:

never saw it

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

indiana? we named the dog indiana

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yates`:

harcore fenton mud!

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yates`:

mudd

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yates`:

is the ext4 file system appropriate for mythtv? (the back-end, i guess)

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[R]:

appropriate for what

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oobe:

ext4 probably not for recordings

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oobe:

it would be ok for / or /home if you dont keep your recordings there

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oobe:

but i would make / ext3 its still more dependable

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yates`:

that's the whole idea! what's the problem with using ext4 for recordings?

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Beirdo:

did they change the installer in lucid?!

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oobe:

it cant read write large files as well as xfs

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[R]:

Beirdo: i think it gets updated eveyr version...

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Beirdo:

I haven't even seen a menu

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oneman:

If anyone is interested in alpha testing network controlling FiOS TV STB"s please message me

[22:19:27]

yates`:

ok, well, gotta run – thanks everyone fro the answers/education

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yates`:

nite [R]

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Beirdo:

I't sitting there with some funky icons at tha bottom of the screen, that's it

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[R]:

oneman: you mean there is a device that has a network port that isn't marked as "for future use" that actually does something?

[22:20:10]

oneman:

[R]: correct

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[R]:

wow

[22:20:19]

[R]:

congrats to verizon

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oneman:

do you have FiOS?

[22:20:31]

oobe:

damn he left before i could say not to put recordings on the same paritition as /

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[R]:

nope

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[R]:

i've gots the cox

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[R]:

haha

[22:20:42]

oneman:

I really need testers

[22:20:49]

oobe:

heaps of ppl who dont know much about linux make / massive and keep all there files there

[22:21:04]

oneman:

I've done something really cool here I think, but I can't find any testers, its fusterating

[22:21:25]

[R]:

i dont recall seeing anything on the ml

[22:21:28]

[R]:

when did you post it?

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oneman:

I didn't

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[R]:

and you wonder why...

[22:22:01]

oneman:

I didn't want to attract not technical or nefarious folks quite yet

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[R]:

lol

[22:22:45]

oneman:

perhaps this whole thing is a bad idea

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oobe:

or a good idea but who knows since you havent told us what it is

[22:23:31]

[R]:

being able to reliably control a cablebox is never a bad idea

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oneman:

Its the ability to control FiOS HD STB's via an IP network

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Beirdo:

there it goes

[22:24:48]

oobe:

thats a good idea

[22:25:00]

oobe:

but i guess its only useful for those who use FiOS

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oneman:

correct

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oobe:

"Better make it six, I can't eat eight."- Dan Osinski, Baseball pitcher, when a waitress asked if he wanted his pizza cut into six or eight slices

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oneman:

I have reversed the protocol and am the only person in the universe outside of verizon that knows how it works

[22:25:40]

oneman:

'

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[R]:

oneman: uh... that's doubtful

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oneman:

however I can't find a single tester

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oneman:

;P

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[R]:

oneman: well when you don't post on the ml... what do you expect

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oobe:

what if there is a parralell universe

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[R]:

people will magically figrue it out

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[R]:

and be knocking down your door to get it?

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oneman:

its effectively true, if somewhat dramatic

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[R]:

oobe: what if? dude... go watch scifi... haven't you ever heard of the multiverse theory?

[22:26:51]

oobe:

sort of

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[R]:

oobe: where theory==fact

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oobe:

he did say universe

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oobe:

that implies infinite expansion of ridiculous theories

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you mean SyFy?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: no, i mean scifi as the genre

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wagnerrp:

actually, they had the 'What if?' as their ad campaign for years

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

!seen kormoc

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MythLogBot:

kormoc is here and has been idle for 6 hours 22 minutes 59 seconds

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wagnerrp:

you around?

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Beirdo:

ugh!

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Beirdo:

this now the hacked-up external CDROM setup made... won't work

[22:43:11]

Beirdo:

I'm gonna throw something soon

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wagnerrp:

PXEboot?

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Beirdo:

FINE. I'll remake my USB stick to boot lucid

[22:44:05]

wagnerrp:

ubuntu actually already has a mechanism for PXE-based installs

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wagnerrp:

makes a nice pxelinux menu, and takes you straight into a graphical installer

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Beirdo:

yeah, but I dpn't have it setup

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Beirdo:

and the DHCP server's the DSL modem, so it will be... impossible

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Beirdo:

without a lot of changes :)

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jya:

anyone heard of the vdpau performance with the nvidia 320M ? it looks like it has 48 shaders.. so should be good for advanced 2X in HD ...

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sphery:

Why is it that when a user focuses in on what they think is happening and completely ignores what is actually happening, it's a bug in MythTV?

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sphery:

jya: as long as you're around, I had closed #4976 only because some user reported it fixed. We've since gotten another report that it may not be fixed: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4976#comment:26 . Since it's audio-related, I thought you'd be better qualified to decide whether it's a bug or working as designed. Thanks.

[22:56:06]

Beirdo:

OK, on the USB stick it went right into X... odd stuff

[22:56:13]

Beirdo:

anyways, I can install

[22:56:22]

jya:

sphery: seems to be more avfd related at a first glance

[22:56:48]

sphery:

well, either way, it's way outside my AOE

[22:57:05]

jya:

I saw another bug report, it seems that some of the hack previously in place got removed since the OSD merge.

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jya:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8596

[22:57:46]

sphery:

ah

[22:58:24]

jya:

sphery: maybe I should clarify.. the only thing I worked on, is playing the audio stream that is being fed to the audio class. Selecting which tracks, detecting which tracks to play, the format they are in etc... it's all part of avfd ...

[22:58:50]

jya:

8596, ffmpeg seems to report 0 audio tracks, when there are two

[22:59:07]

sphery:

yeah, I understood what you meant

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jya:

I can have a look though ...

[22:59:39]

jya:

hopefully the samples are still available

[22:59:40]

sphery:

anyway, I have no idea if it is a bug or not, so I was hoping someone else who knew if it was would open it

[22:59:43]

jya:

that was 2 years ago

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sphery:

yeah, old ticket

[23:00:22]

sphery:

another reason why leaving it closed and opening a new one may be better

[23:00:49]

sphery:

anyway, I've deleted it from my tickets folder, so I'm washing my hands of it (one way or the other :)

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wagnerrp:

anyone have any idea how the WOL mythtv stuff works?

[23:01:24]

wagnerrp:

it should have to store a MAC address somewhere, but i cant find anywhere that it does that

[23:01:28]

jya:

janne is probably the one best to look at it (for 4976)

[23:01:29]

sphery:

Note that I'm not passing it off on you. I've just come to the conclusion that it's probably best left closed even if there is still an issue (just to get a clean ticket without all the discussion)

[23:03:15]

jya:

I wonder though if it could be related to a change I put in trying to solve problems with AC3 tracks going from 2->6->2->6 etc...

[23:04:02]

Beirdo:

creating filesystem for /var.... 120G ;)

[23:04:03]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:04:20]

Beirdo:

I expect my firewall to have plenty of logs

[23:04:36]

jya:

it doesn't rescan the audio now ... Mark Spiel gave me something to try, but none of his various attempts fixed all issues. one one is fix, another one appear

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Bhaal:

Hey guys, quick question, in 0.23 when I am in MythVideo, it no longer remembers the last position I was in, always reverting to base directory... What happened to the setting for this?

[23:08:18]

Bhaal:

Its quite annoying as I have all my TV shows and movies layed out in a neat directory tree based on show and season...

[23:08:25]

wagnerrp:

i remember something along those lines, but i thought it was an external patch on trac

[23:08:27]

Beirdo:

ah come ON, don't install openoffice on my firewall

[23:08:36]

Beirdo:

serves me right for using ubuntu :)

[23:08:42]

Bhaal:

Hey Beirdo hows things?

[23:08:48]

Beirdo:

not too bad

[23:09:01]

Beirdo:

trying to get my new firewall box installed...

[23:09:16]

Beirdo:

the headache's at a dull roar, so that's good

[23:09:26]

Bhaal:

ubuntu server instead of ubuntu desktop might save you some unwanted openoffice issues :)

[23:09:30]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:09:32]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/LG_42LD450 ... whats this about it running linux, and using ffmpeg software decoders for playback?

[23:09:40]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know, but I'm stupid :)

[23:10:02]

Bhaal:

Beirdo: I will have a different view of you if you can answer my question :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo has been a bit out-of-the-loop as far as mythtv goes for the past several years

[23:10:42]

Beirdo:

heh. I haven't looked into the mythvideo changes yet :(

[23:10:50]

Beirdo:

mythweather, I can answer

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: would you mind helping with my question then?

[23:11:18]

Bhaal:

Beirdo: hahahaha got an australian script for mythweather for 0.23 ?

[23:11:48]

Beirdo:

you should be able to get SOME data from the yr.no scraper

[23:11:55]

Beirdo:

or wunderground

[23:12:16]

Bhaal:

Nah, I want the bom.gov.au sat images and stuff...

[23:12:17]

Beirdo:

I added both, but I'm not sure it it was before 0.23 release

[23:12:28]

Bhaal:

Having the radar would also be full of awesome

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Beirdo:

heh. If you know of other sources....

[23:12:50]

Beirdo:

well, the weather.com maps are quite likely going to disappear soon

[23:13:01]

Bhaal:

Beirdo: I havent even looked at Mythweather yet, but will in the next couple of days and have a play around with it...

[23:13:09]

Beirdo:

as we seem to be violating TOS. I have a request out to them

[23:13:17]

Beirdo:

heh

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Bhaal:

to bom?

[23:13:40]

Beirdo:

trunk has a few fixes that I will be backporting to 0.23-fixes soon

[23:13:47]

wagnerrp:

Bhaal: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7425

[23:14:20]

Beirdo:

all of the themes needed tweaking... and there were some silly bugs

[23:14:59]

Beirdo:

I'm giving them to the end of the week to respond... at which time I will disable the scrapers if I don't hear back

[23:15:23]

Beirdo:

or if they say no we can't use the maps

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: hrm, thanks, I will go looking for it tonight

[23:15:44]

Beirdo:

so if you know of providers of radar and other weather maps... with TOS we can work with...

[23:15:48]

Beirdo:

I'm all ears

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Bhaal:

Beirdo: Hrm, could we have access to the scripts to implement privately anyway?

[23:16:38]

Beirdo:

the scripts are in SVN

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Beirdo:

for now ;)

[23:16:42]

wagnerrp:

once something is in the repository, it will never be deleted

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Bhaal:

Beirdo: I ask coz I have the radar perm open on my browser at home, so I dont have to load the page each time

[23:16:53]

wagnerrp:

you can remove it from future revisions

[23:17:05]

wagnerrp:

but you can always specify a specific revision and pull it out

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Beirdo:

it may get deleted from the newer revisions, but the old one's there forever

[23:17:10]

Beirdo:

yup

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Bhaal:

Beirdo: ok

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Beirdo:

I hope we can find maps we can use without effectively using a parrot and a peg-leg

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Bhaal:

I dont use svn .. pure mythbuntu ... back before all the dists came out I used to roll my own ... and still did that for quite some time, but it started dying during multiple upgrades andf stuff so I gave up

[23:18:31]

Beirdo:

heh

[23:18:36]

Beirdo:

no problem

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wagnerrp:

theres some weather applet in gnome that displays radar images

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Beirdo:

reaaallly

[23:19:02]

Beirdo:

wonder where they scammed them from

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Beirdo:

and if they have permission

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Bhaal:

And this latest mythbuntu has been the first one ever to install with almost no problems... The only thing that has issues is Mythnetvision ... it crashes when loading a page...

[23:19:34]

Bhaal:

And I really really miss mythstream

[23:19:45]

Bhaal:

What happened to the dev on it? author gave up?

[23:19:47]

wagnerrp:

sounds like some issue with one of the plugins totem loads

[23:19:58]

wagnerrp:

mythstream was never an official plugin

[23:20:06]

wagnerrp:

so you would have to find them elsewhere

[23:20:10]

Bhaal:

wagnerrp: i know, but it was pretty decent

[23:20:31]

Beirdo:

WOW that thing boots fast

[23:20:52]

Bhaal:

Beirdo: 10.04 ?

[23:20:55]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Bhaal:

yes, yes it does

[23:21:12]

Beirdo:

on a dual-core Atom (shows as 4 CPUs :) )

[23:21:19]

Bhaal:

Shortest startup time ever that I have had for Mythbuntu

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Bhaal:

Beirdo: ASRock?

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Beirdo:

and I have the bios' LONG boot on

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Beirdo:

nope, Foxconn

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wagnerrp:

there was some issue with something totem did, causing some module to be loaded by mythbrowser

[23:21:42]

Bhaal:

ahh okeys

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: Ahhhh, tell me more :)

[23:22:01]

wagnerrp:

whatever it was, it was incompatible with mythbrowser, and led to it crashing on opening

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wagnerrp:

thats all i remember

[23:22:21]

Beirdo:

niiiiice

[23:22:22]

wagnerrp:

there was some chatter in here a couple days/weeks ago

[23:22:26]

Bhaal:

damn hehe okeys, thats gives me something to look at at least

[23:22:30]

Beirdo:

it sees eth0 AND the wireless

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wagnerrp:

might want to search through beirdo's logs

[23:22:40]

Beirdo:

firewall, here we come

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Bhaal:

yah

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Bhaal:

Beirdo: where are you physically?

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Bhaal:

as in location

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Beirdo:

Seattle

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Bhaal:

Ahhh okeys, for some reason I thought you might have been in .au ...

[23:24:24]

Bhaal:

<-- failing memory

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Beirdo:

no, I was in Toronto

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Beirdo:

then Puerto Rico

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Beirdo:

now Seattle :)

[23:24:53]

Bhaal:

hahaha

[23:25:08]

Beirdo:

and I really like it here

[23:25:10]

Bhaal:

Sounds like my antics back in the day over moving all over the country side

[23:25:22]

Bhaal:

When I was somewhat younger

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Beirdo:

heh

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Bhaal:

Now I only move if I have to

[23:25:36]

Beirdo:

well, I'm not terribly young anymore

[23:25:42]

Beirdo:

but yeah, I kinda had to

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Bhaal:

age?

[23:25:56]

Beirdo:

36.5

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Bhaal:

*phew* you not making me feel old...

[23:26:06]

Beirdo:

to the day actually

[23:26:15]

Bhaal:

haha I was waiting for you to say 26 or something hahaha

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sphery:

Happy Half-birthday!

[23:26:22]

Bhaal:

hahaha

[23:26:23]

Beirdo:

heh, no

[23:26:27]

Beirdo:

thanks, sphery :)

[23:26:42]

Beirdo:

I was a winter solstice birth :)

[23:26:48]

Bhaal:

nice

[23:26:50]

Beirdo:

shortest day of the year FTW

[23:26:56]

Bhaal:

Indeed!

[23:27:11]

Bhaal:

Im only shortly behind you on 34

[23:27:14]

Beirdo:

I got hosed for Christmas gifts as a kid

[23:27:23]

Beirdo:

now I just don't care

[23:27:43]

Bhaal:

Wow, my typing has gone bad...

[23:27:47]

Bhaal:

s/shortly/slightly

[23:27:50]

** sphery submits a credit card application **

[23:28:02]

Bhaal:

sphery: DENIED

[23:28:06]

sphery:

d'oh

[23:28:08]

Bhaal:

hehe

[23:28:26]

sphery:

and here I though Beirdo was finally going to buy me that new Myth box I've been wanting

[23:28:27]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i think you were the one who tracked down the MNV/totem thing

[23:28:33]

Beirdo:

hahah

[23:28:48]

Beirdo:

I finally have a firewall to work with...

[23:28:54]

Beirdo:

lucid FTW

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Paul was the one who actually looked into--I just guessed without looking that it was some plugin

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Beirdo:

I guess I'll look at using shorewall on top of it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: why, do you have more info?

[23:29:24]

Bhaal:

sphery: can you point me at anything on the intertubes for that?

[23:29:40]

Bhaal:

sphery: No, I have the problem with it crashing when loading ANY page...

[23:29:42]

sphery:

oh, for Qt-WebKit crashing due to evil plugins?

[23:29:44]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do you intend to use mythweather to disseminate hate, narcotics, body parts, or to run a nuclear facility or life support machine?

[23:29:56]

sphery:

Bhaal: nope... Only thing I can recommend is uninstall the bad plugin

[23:29:58]

Beirdo:

ummm, not that I know of

[23:30:13]

Bhaal:

sphery: hahaha, ummm, thanks... I think

[23:30:14]

Bhaal:

L(

[23:30:15]

Bhaal:

:)

[23:30:46]

wagnerrp:

bah... nevermind

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: wrong answer?

[23:31:02]

wagnerrp:

i thought i had found a compliant API with yahoo maps

[23:31:02]

Bhaal:

HAHAHAHA

[23:31:08]

Bhaal:

Yes, yes he is! all of the above

[23:31:10]

wagnerrp:

but they dont actually provide the weather data

[23:31:14]

Beirdo:

hah

[23:31:23]

** Beirdo kicks Yahoo in the nuts **

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Bhaal:

brb

[23:31:37]

Beirdo:

there. how's that for disseminating hate?

[23:31:44]

wagnerrp:

well.. maybe they do

[23:31:47]

sphery:

that will put a couple extra exclamations on Yahoo!

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wagnerrp:

http://developer.yahoo.com/maps http://developer.yahoo.com/weather

[23:32:19]

wagnerrp:

i dont see anything in their TOS that would prevent us from using it

[23:32:26]

wagnerrp:

just more of the same 'credit us somewhere'

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

You wanna make me a ticket with the URLs so I don't lose it?

[23:34:02]

wagnerrp:

will do

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Beirdo:

Thanks :)

[23:38:44]

sphery:

wagnerrp: kormoc would love this (the bacon-related part: http://www.thinkgeek.com/edm/20100622.shtml )

[23:39:01]

wagnerrp:

that the cease-and-desist?

[23:39:03]

sphery:

yeah

[23:39:40]

sphery:

a TV station in DC area may have aired a story about it on tonight's 11:00 news (WUSA9)

[23:40:09]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: nevermind, seems their 'image' support is to provide a yahoo logo you have to show

[23:40:33]

Beirdo:

hmm?

[23:40:54]

Beirdo:

so the attribution's a flippin image?

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wagnerrp:

yahoo's

[23:41:10]

wagnerrp:

it would only be good for current conditions, not forecasts or images

[23:41:26]

Beirdo:

oh?

[23:41:36]

Beirdo:

as we need to display a yahoo logo?

[23:41:42]

wagnerrp:

maybe

[23:41:47]

wagnerrp:

they provide a link to one

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Beirdo:

I think we can live with it if we have to

[23:42:07]

Beirdo:

will need work to get it to behave, of course :)

[23:42:21]

wagnerrp:

only if they provided something of substantial worth above the existing grabbers

[23:42:55]

Beirdo:

well yeah

[23:44:20]

Beirdo:

hmm

[23:44:30]

Beirdo:

my DSL modem's getting confusled

[23:44:51]

Beirdo:

it just gave my new firewall the same IP as it gave the DirecTV receiver

[23:44:57]

Beirdo:

err, no

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Beirdo:

the TV

[23:45:00]

Beirdo:

crap

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: if you want to toss in some image libraries and do compositing, how about http://radar.weather.gov

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Beirdo:

that could be done, I guess

[23:55:44]

Beirdo:

perlmagick is fun

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wagnerrp:

not as clean as the commercial radars though

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