Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Beirdo:

yeah, but if that's what it takes to have TOS-friendly data

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Bhaal:

Oh nice... I like the xscreensaver-command -watch command ...

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Bhaal:

After discovering this I can setup ir events to turn my LCD and amp on/off with the screen blanking...

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Bhaal:

Of course finding the IR receiver on the TV will be fun...

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Bhaal:

Although if I just shoot a IR LED from the top of the TV it should be picked up, they are pretty bright...

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nickbp:

hi, im unable to get mythtv to connect to my mysql instance, it complains about permission denied. i checked the users table in mysql, even manually updated the password entry to match, and its still complaining

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nickbp:

im wondering if i can just skip the whole thing and use sqlite instead

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Beirdo:

no you can't

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sphery:

nickbp: MythTV only works with MySQL. We have plans for the future to convert MythTV to use an embedded MySQL database--so this whole issue of MySQL setup doesn't come into play for users. Unfortunately, until that's done, you'll have to get MySQL properly configured and working to use MythTV.

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nickbp:

well mysql isnt turning out to be the best thing in the world to set up

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Beirdo:

I really don't understand how people can have SO many problems setting up mysql

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Beirdo:

but... *shrug*

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nickbp:

nickbp> im wondering if i can just skip the whole thing and use sqlite instead

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Beirdo:

no

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nickbp:

er wrong copy

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sphery:

nickbp: note that MySQL permissions are based on username, password /and/ host. You need to set all 3 up properly and without overlaps (for IP address/hostname) for it to work

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nickbp:

2010-06–22 22:22:39.543 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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nickbp:

QMYSQL: Unable to connect

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nickbp:

Database error was:

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nickbp:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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nickbp:

thats from mythfilldb

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nickbp:

how can i see what credentials are being ussed

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Beirdo:

please don't paste more than 1–2 lines into IRC. That's what pastebin.com is for :)

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nickbp:

im able to log in manually just fine

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sphery:

try connecting using the mysql command-line client: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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nickbp:

yeah thats fine

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nickbp:

does this program not have any debug output

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sphery:

if that doesn't work, then fix MySQL. If it works, you need to fix MythTV configuration (i.e. every single config.xml and mysql.txt on the entire file system)

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nickbp:

'fix mysql'

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nickbp:

mysql is up, filldb is apparently using the wrong credentials

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Beirdo:

did you configigure using a hostname (other than localhost) for the backend and database?

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nickbp:

i cant tell what filldb is trying to use

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nickbp:

no

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nickbp:

note the @'localhost' above

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sphery:

fix MythTV configuration (i.e. every single config.xml and mysql.txt on the entire file system)

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nickbp:

ill see if ubuntu shat out some extra configs in some obnoxious location

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nickbp:

oh hey 4 copies of the same file,

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justinh:

language

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nickbp:

i wonder which one is being used...

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justinh:

one in /etc/mythtv

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nickbp:

is there a way to tell with some sort of debug output?

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justinh:

one in each user's home dir (who has ever run mythfrontend)

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nickbp:

ie, have mythtv say "this is the file im using"

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justinh:

mythtv uses the one in ~/.mythtv

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justinh:

AFAIK it doesn't look anywhere else

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sphery:

nickbp: read the log output of any myth app... where it says, "Using configuration file: "

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justinh:

I think mythbuntu creates the one in /etc/mythtv when you install it

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justinh:

O for an embedded database! No more of these questions :)

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nickbp:

or just use sqlite

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justinh:

no, sqlite just can't keep up

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nickbp:

banshee is totally happy managing a billion or so song entries in there

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justinh:

no good for mythtv. it's been tested already

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nickbp:

yet it couldnt keep up with 20 channels?

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justinh:

it's not just 20 channels

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justinh:

you should see the big scheduler query. it's huge

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justinh:

sqlite can't cope with it

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nickbp:

well, maybe thats the problem

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justinh:

no, the problem is users who don't pay enough attention when installing mythtv on distros which try to help them

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nickbp:

yeah because everyone should be fully versed in installing database servers when they want to tune to ABC

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sphery:

nickbp: you /are/ using Mythbuntu, right--you're not doing something silly like trying to install MythTV onto plain Ubuntu, right?

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nickbp:

this is bunters desktop 10.04

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sphery:

because there's no reason not to use Mythbuntu

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justinh:

nickbp: no, it *tells* you what the db credentials are when you're installing it, if you opt to let *it* generate passwords for you

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justinh:

but like I kept saying to them, that stuff is far too easily dismissed by the user installing it

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justinh:

if you want them to take any notice, keep it onscreen for longer. Much longer

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nickbp:

so i just switched from windows 7,

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sphery:

If you use Ubuntu and install MythTV on top of it, you have to completely reconfigure Ubuntu to work properly with MythTV (including things like setting up the DB). If you use Mythbuntu, it's all been done for you already by people who spend a great deal of their free time keeping up with MythTV development and learning how to properly configure MythTV.

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nickbp:

and while WMC wasnt the best thing in the world

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justinh:

sphery: it's still possible to screw up a mythbuntu install by taking your eye off the ball for a second :)

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nickbp:

it didnt involve learning SQL to get it configured

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sphery:

If you use Ubuntu and then set up MythTV, you are basically taking on the full responsibility for spending "a great deal of [your] free time keeping up with MythTV development and learning how to properly configure MythTV"

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justinh:

nickbp: moaning isn't going to make anybody wanna help

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sphery:

justinh: but if nothing else, starting from plain Ubuntu is a mistake--it's /much/ more difficult than starting from Mythbuntu

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nickbp:

im just pointing out a poor design decision

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justinh:

nickbp: it was a necessary design decision which funnily enough has suited mythtv just fine for a long time

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nickbp:

is there some other app i could use if i just want to watch live tv

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sphery:

nickbp: and in the end--if you do everything properly when installing MythTV onto plain Ubuntu--what you'll end up with will be Mythbuntu (just that it took you a hundred+ hours to get there)

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justinh:

it wasn't actually until ubuntu came along that we have had myriads of users in here whining about mysql

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justinh:

and they're *all* ubuntu users. funny, that

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sphery:

nickbp: and if you just want to watch Live TV, you /should/ be using a different app

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nickbp:

such as?

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sphery:

MythTV is not designed for just watching Live TV

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sphery:

so you want something like xawtv, tvtime, kdelive (or whatever they call it) or ...

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sphery:

basically a TV app, not a DVR app

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justinh:

when ubuntu installs mysql it gives you an option to set your own root password or not. if it generates one it tells you what it is & where it's stored in plaintext

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sphery:

er, kdetv, it seems

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justinh:

same thing when the myth packaging installs mythtv when it generates the mysql mythtv user

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sphery:

kdenlive is a video editor :)

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nickbp:

yeah i checked the configs, they all have mysql:mysql for credentials

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nickbp:

er

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nickbp:

mythtv:mythtv

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sphery:

06.23 01:23:07 < nickbp> Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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sphery:

oh, yeah, was just saying that's not mysql

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justinh:

and if a user just sits there pressing ENTER while it installs – not bothering to read what it's telling them it set the passwords to.. er... we end up here

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nickbp:

logged into the mysql server and manually changed the password to mythtv

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nickbp:

(logged in at "localhost" too)

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nickbp:

so not seeing what else could be the problem here

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nickbp:

it could be maybe qtsql or whatever is just throwing a generic error for something unrelated to the login

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sphery:

or it could be that you haven't "fix MythTV configuration (i.e. every single config.xml and mysql.txt on the entire file system)"

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justinh:

I dunno why the ubuntu packages have this fixation with making mysql secure for mythtv anyway

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nickbp:

yeah whod want their rdms to be secure

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justinh:

because er... maybe very few people put theirs out over the internet

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justinh:

for LAN use, a password of 'mythtv' would be sufficient – and very easy for everybody to remember

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Beirdo:

and mythtv@localhost is secure to all but localhost

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Beirdo:

and if they got onto the host, yer hosed already

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justinh:

precisely

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sphery:

scott/tiger

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nickbp:

welp i may just reformat and try mythbuntu

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justinh:

to my knowledge there's been ONE guy with this problem this year who wasn't using ubuntu or debian packages

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nickbp:

since reformatting is turning out to be easier than installing this

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nickbp:

yes blame the users

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justinh:

no I blame the packaging

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sphery:

I truly believe that Mythbuntu is the way for a *buntu user to get started with MythTV. I think you'll find it much easier and you'll be much happier with the end result.

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justinh:

get started AND finish. No mythtv distro should be seen as any sort of stepping stone :)

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sphery:

that said, though, MythTV isn't designed for Live TV watching--it's designed to record shows for you to watch at your convenience--so MythTV may not be what you're looking for

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nickbp:

i had once configured this a few years ago, i remember internal db being a High Priority back then too

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nickbp:

(2007 or thereabouts)

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sphery:

and, yeah, finish, too--no reason stop using Mythbuntu

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justinh:

will you stop whining please?

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nickbp:

no this is quite aggrivating

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sphery:

it was decided that we should hold off the embedded DB work until you came back and finally learned how to configure MySQL.

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nickbp:

there isnt sufficient debug output to see what mythtv is actually breaking on

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justinh:

there are plenty of users who don't find themselves tripped up by *buntu's installer

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sphery:

if you can figure it out, we can get back to work on the embedded MySQL

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nickbp:

sorry i mostly just know postgres

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justinh:

in this kind of case the 1st thing I ordinarily ask is whether or not the user can log in to the mysql server using the credentials they *think* should work

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nickbp:

yeah, again no problem there

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justinh:

so the problem is *every* *instance* *of* *those* *config* *files*

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justinh:

check/change em all as sphery said many moons ago

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justinh:

myth doesn't look anywhere else. if it finds one in ~/.mythtv/ it'll definitely use that

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justinh:

in ubuntu's case I'd verify that the config files aren't actually just symbolic links to the files in /etc/mythtv

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justinh:

this deal is starting to irk me so much I might even look at doing something about the installer stuff. stop this random password junk right here, right now. bad practise it may be, but if it saves us in this channel having to scrape up every single user's problem...

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nickbp:

alright i ended up just finding all instances of those config files and rming them

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nickbp:

that got it to resume working

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justinh:

riiight. so instead of checking the files you just flattened it with no regard for the consequences. well done :-\

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justinh:

good luck

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nickbp:

there, setup went fine, scanned channels etc

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nickbp:

and its tuning

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nickbp:

the video is around 200ms slower than the audio though

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Beirdo:

wooohooo

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Beirdo:

have running internal firewall

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Beirdo:

complete with IPv6

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justinh:

cool

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justinh:

oh great. cable suppliers have come back to me saying they can use alternative parts to save money – they've given me part numbers but not told me who they're manufactured by.. and google isn't returning any results for the part numbers :-\

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

imagine that... dhcpd works better when you actually START it

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yudi1:

does mythtv cause ubuntu not to suspend?

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justinh:

why would anybody want their system to suspend when they're watching TV?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

context please!

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Jay2k1:

to save more energy?

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Jay2k1:

or remind them they have other things to do and should already get their a.. up? :>

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justinh:

*con* *text*

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justinh:

frontend? backend? que?

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AndyCap:

justinh: is that what you get on your cell from nigerian scammers?

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yudi1:

not when watching, ubuntu 10.04 does not suspend anymore, just hangs, only change I made was to install mythtv

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justinh:

yudi1: more context... like er... doesn't automatically suspend... or what?

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justinh:

otherwise it's like saying "help, since mythtv, ubuntu does not"

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justinh:

and we're like "does not WHAT?"

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justinh:

then we get another tiny titbit of info and we ask another question.. until somebody gets bored

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yudi1:

justinh, sorry, no when I hit suspend, just black screen, had to hard reboot, just wondering whether mythtv is causing this, vista does this,

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justinh:

mythtv shouldn't be causing that

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yudi1:

ok

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justinh:

I've always had mixed results getting suspend to work on various hardware on ubuntu

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justinh:

always different levels of failure kinda mixed results

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yudi1:

it used to work flawlessly until yesterday. I never like to reboot, always suspend. just trying to find the culprit

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justinh:

what kind of suspend are you trying?

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justinh:

could be related to mythbackend using a video device at the time you go into suspend mode

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justinh:

only thing I can think of really

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justinh:

in which case you'd have to make sure mythbackend is being stopped before going into suspend

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justinh:

and that it's restarted when coming out of suspend mode

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yudi1:

different qts, I need to move the storage directory to an external drive, do you think it will be fine, now its in default location – /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. I only have 10gb for filesystem, it fills up pretty quickly, I have a 1tb drive planning to create a xfs or jfs around 200GB, will it cause any issues.

[03:50:41]

yudi1:

I will try stopping mythbackend and suspend, that should tell

[03:51:29]

yudi1:

is this command right, service mythbackend -stop

[03:53:35]

justinh:

no idea. I've just been using "sudo stop/start/restart $thing"

[03:54:26]

justinh:

in the olden days we had to use /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

[03:54:39]

justinh:

but since upstart it's more like sudo stop mythtv-backend

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yudi1:

it says – stop is not supported for upstart jobs

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justinh:

using the service command here says both mythtv-backend and mythbackend aren't recognised as a service

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justinh:

indeed service --status-all isn't listing anything mythtv related here

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yudi1:

it might not list but it is running, because when i start setup it asks for permission to stop backend first

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justinh:

I'd figure that if it's not listed in the services list, it ain't a service

[04:01:02]

justinh:

confusing

[04:01:13]

justinh:

there's a conf file in /etc/init

[04:01:27]

justinh:

but --status-all isn't listing it all even though it's running

[04:01:36]

justinh:

I don't understand this upstart stuff

[04:02:04]

yudi1:

The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart

[04:02:06]

yudi1:

job, but -stop is not supported for Upstart jobs.

[04:02:08]

yudi1:

rv@rv-laptop:~$ service --help

[04:02:10]

yudi1:

Usage: service < option > | --status-all | [ service_name [ command | --full-restart ] ]

[04:02:12]

yudi1:

rv@rv-laptop:~$ stop mythtv-backend

[04:02:14]

yudi1:

stop: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.57" (uid=1000 pid=2558 comm="stop) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Stop" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))

[04:02:15]

yudi1:

rv@rv-laptop:~$ restart mythtv-backend

[04:02:17]

yudi1:

restart: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.58" (uid=1000 pid=2560 comm="restart) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Restart" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))

[04:02:19]

yudi1:

rv@rv-laptop:~$ service mythtv-backend -restart

[04:02:22]

yudi1:

Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)

[04:02:23]

yudi1:

utility, e.g. service mythtv-backend -restart

[04:02:27]

justinh:

OI

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yudi1:

The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart

[04:02:29]

yudi1:

job, but -restart is not supported for Upstart jobs.

[04:02:31]

justinh:

use a pastebin next time

[04:02:32]

yudi1:

this is what I am getting

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yudi1:

sorry mate

[04:02:45]

justinh:

sudo stop mythtv-backend

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yudi1:

thanks, worked

[04:03:40]

yudi1:

I am new to irc, how does paste bin work

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justinh:

you open a web browser, go to mythtv.pastebin.ca, paste your chunk in there.. then post the URL here

[04:04:48]

justinh:

any more than 3 lines, use a pastebin. the channel topic says so I think

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yudi1:

ok, so every channel has ***.pastebin.ca, right?

[04:05:35]

justinh:

you can have anything.pastebin.ca

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yudi1:

cool

[04:06:08]

justinh:

we don't like flooding here

[04:06:21]

justinh:

wish IRC clients had auto pastebin use

[04:06:40]

justinh:

the clients with flood protection are more annoying

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justinh:

we get some idiot posts his whole log.. 20,000 lines of it.. and his client pastes it 2 lines at a time with a second pause inbetween each paste

[04:07:58]

justinh:

thankfully doesn't happen very often :)

[04:08:13]

yudi1:

I am really new to all this, was a windows user, just moved to linux. such a steep learning curve. will try to read up on freenode faq.

[04:08:38]

** justinh wonders how people end up in IRC in this day & age anyway **

[04:09:57]

yudi1:

back to myth, what playback profile do you suggest best suits my system, my sys is c2d 1.8Ghz, nvidia gforce go 7400. I am not getting good results with the default

[04:10:02]

justinh:

it's almost as old as the internet itself and apparently still going strong

[04:10:16]

justinh:

with what sort of content?

[04:10:19]

justinh:

SDTV?

[04:10:26]

yudi1:

HDTV

[04:10:27]

justinh:

mpeg2 HD? h.264 HD ?

[04:10:50]

justinh:

in europe – or generally just outside the US/Canada HDTV is h.264

[04:11:04]

yudi1:

I think it is mpeg2, it's australian free to air TV

[04:11:06]

el_duerino:

Hey guys, anybode ever having issues with nvidia X driver, leading to a error message running with lower graphics mode?

[04:11:14]

justinh:

yeah I think it's mpeg2 in aus

[04:11:48]

yudi1:

Iused to use vista MC, worked great, did not stress my cpu much, but mythtv – when I use high quality – it kills my cpu

[04:11:56]

justinh:

el_duerino: I had that issue on my new backend. turned out I needed to add a boot config to reserve more er.. thingies.

[04:12:13]

justinh:

yudi1: so don't use high quality. 'normal' should work fine

[04:12:49]

el_duerino:

justinh: "thingies" ?

[04:12:50]

justinh:

el_duerino: I'll have a dig & see if I can find what I had to change

[04:13:08]

justinh:

I can't remember this stuff. it's stuff no mortal should ever have to edit just to make a VGA card work

[04:13:17]

el_duerino:

justinh: yeah, that would be great; i have this effect after upgrade to mythbuntu 10.04

[04:13:21]

justinh:

it was a kernel option of some kind

[04:14:09]

justinh:

ahh yes

[04:14:16]

justinh:

had to increase vmalloc

[04:14:49]

justinh:

found an obscure thing on some random bloke's blog where he mentioned he'd had the same problem & putting "vmalloc=256MB" fixed it for me

[04:14:55]

yudi1:

internet search says aus tv is PAL BG, is that right? I tried setting it to NTFS and PAL, no difference.

[04:15:27]

justinh:

el_duerino: in /etc/default/grub I changed GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash vmalloc=256MB"

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justinh:

then updated grub. fixed the problem & after that the nvidia driver worked

[04:15:55]

justinh:

stupidest thing ever

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justinh:

yudi1: not NTFS, NTSC... and you shouldn't be messing with that – it'll make no difference anyway

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yudi1:

what decoder and video renderer should I use, i don;t think vdpau is supped by Gforce go 7400

[04:17:13]

yudi1:

yep I was goin to say ntsc

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justinh:

yudi1: no it isn't supported by the 7400 IIRC, so you shouldn't be using the 'high quality' playback profile at all since that's set to use VDPAU

[04:17:52]

justinh:

yudi1: if you've installed the restricted nvidia driver the NORMAL profile should work fine

[04:18:07]

justinh:

and if you've not installed that driver you *should*

[04:18:37]

yudi1:

no I am using Normal, installed restricted, opengl support activated, but not sure what decoder and video renderer is best

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justinh:

yudi1: just install the restricted driver & go with NORMAL

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justinh:

that should be enough

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el_duerino:

justinh: thanks, I hope this helps; this issue happens not every time, just every 20–30 boot. My wife is getting really pissed-off

[04:19:38]

Bhaal:

Hey quick question... Will the old mythstream just completely refuse to work with 0.23 or is it just not supported anymore?

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justinh:

if it's not, run mythfrontend with the option -v playback then capture the output from that, pop it in a pastebin

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justinh:

Bhaal: who cares? it sucked anyway

[04:20:15]

el_duerino:

bhaal: I think ist removed, there is a new plugin for playing streams

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yudi1:

I should keep the defaults you reckon, tried that. playback had jitter, tear, noise, pixeleted

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justinh:

Bhaal: mythstream is/was a 3rd party plugin which relies on somebody keeping it up to date

[04:21:00]

justinh:

AFAIK mythstream hasn't been updated for a long time. last working version was for 0.21

[04:22:02]

justinh:

its last maintainer said he was working on making it work with 0.22 but after that.. nothing

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justinh:

and yes, it's pretty much been made obsolete with mythnetvision anyway

[04:23:13]

Bhaal:

justinh: I know... but MNV at the moment crashes although I was asking baout that earlier and there is something about a totem plugin that is causing thta which I will try and explore... But mythstream was just useful coz there were quite a few scripts out there for it...

[04:23:16]

justinh:

apart from internet radio streams – but they'll in all likelihood be supported in a future version of mythmusic

[04:23:39]

justinh:

Bhaal: well, let me just say that unreported crashes are crashes which never get fixed

[04:23:54]

justinh:

s/never/seldom/

[04:23:58]

Bhaal:

justinh: streaming music isnt such an issue, but streaming video is, I used it a lot for TEDTalks for instance...

[04:24:29]

Bhaal:

justinh: Ahhh, and mythbuntu says "Do not send bug reports for mythnetvision"

[04:24:30]

Bhaal:

:)

[04:24:37]

justinh:

so?

[04:24:42]

justinh:

means do not send reports to THEM

[04:25:00]

justinh:

doesn't mean you can't try to get a decent backtrace & submit a meaningful bug report

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Bhaal:

But I was speaking with beirdo and wagnerrp and they mentioned something about some totem plugins which they figured out were causing the crashes...

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justinh:

dunno what totem would have to do with it but...

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Bhaal:

justinh: I will explore other suggestions first...

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yudi1:

now I am trying for rez -1280 720 Decoder- standard XvMc max cpu -2, renderer – xvmc-blit, deinterlacer – none, and for rez 00 – same again, picture is jagged not smooth, cpu load is around 30%

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justinh:

the fact MNV relies so heavily on flash... not MNV's fault mind...

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justinh:

yudi1: wth are you using xvmc for? you don't even need it – not that it'll work on your card. not that it was ever worth a light

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Bhaal:

justinh: Yeah I know...

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justinh:

if the NORMAL profile isn't working, then something else is wrong. do what I said & get output from mythfrontend -v playback

[04:27:01]

justinh:

you know? SO WHY TRY IT?!

[04:27:10]

Bhaal:

err

[04:27:17]

Bhaal:

I was referring to MNV

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justinh:

oops. sorry. got my wires crossed

[04:27:39]

Bhaal:

:) I know, all good

[04:27:40]

justinh:

ahem

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Bhaal:

hahaha

[04:28:17]

justinh:

get really ragged off when people come in here asking for help & we suggest stuff for them to try & they just blunder on doing their own thing regardless

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yudi1:

easy dude, I was not sure that was directed at me

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justinh:

well it was

[04:30:38]

justinh:

just try the 'normal' playback profile. if everything is ok with your video driver it should work okay

[04:30:57]

justinh:

if not there may be clues in the output of mythfrontend -v playback

[04:31:03]

justinh:

or in your X log

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yudi1:

tried mythfrontend -v playback, where is the output file located, not sure what X log means?

[04:33:32]

justinh:

btw any issues like the stream breaking up & becoming pixellated is more likely to be problems with the quality of the received signal

[04:33:51]

justinh:

it outputs to the terminal you run it from unless you specify a log file option

[04:34:05]

justinh:

and by X log I mean the X server log

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yudi1:

ok

[04:34:16]

yudi1:

thanks

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justinh:

usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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justinh:

see the output of mythfrontend -v help

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yudi1:

now do you want me to pastebin the output, it's stopped at using protocol version 56 line in terminal

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justinh:

LOL

[04:36:41]

justinh:

you need to be actually playing stuff back

[04:37:16]

justinh:

like set mythfrontend off with that verbose logging option, then do the stuff you've got problems with...

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yudi1:

ok, this is embarrassing, playing now, just a black screen, just audio

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yudi1:

it's generating lot of data

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yudi1:

this is the pastebin url – http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1889089

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justinh:

sigh

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yudi1:

did I do it right?

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: Does ALL Netvision links crash for you? I think the comments on the Totem plugin are mostly misleading. I was the one that reported that issue with links from a Netvision grabber that has never been released, The highest likely hood if the Flash plugin is not working with MythBrowser.

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Bhaal:

I will try again shortly and get back to you

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: Right now there are NO Netvision grabbers that provide links other than to Flash videos. Some grabbers provide links that can be used to download video non-Flash files. Direct video playback in MythBrowser is exclusively through a Web page and/or Flash.

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: Unfortunately some people have Flash working in Firefox but not MythBrowser which is confusing. I have heard of people reinstalling Flash then reinstalling to get things working.

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Bhaal:

RDV_Linux: ive tried reinstalling flash a number of times now...

[08:41:39]

Bhaal:

Or do you mean for me to reinstall the flash plugin, and THEN to reinstall mythbrowser?

[08:42:27]

RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: I solely mean the Flash plugin that is used by both Firefox and MythBrowser.

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Bhaal:

Hrm... Well its still crashing mythbrowser

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: See is you can get any FE logging info on the crash. If you ended up making a ticket it would be on MythBrowser and not on Netvision (see wiki), but this is likely a Flash plugin issue. Others have had this same problem which they have subsequently resolved.

[08:45:32]

Bhaal:

any tickets on that which i can see?

[08:45:32]

RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: Even iamlindoro had this problem when he first started Netvision,

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: I do not think anyone ever created a ticket. Please check the FE log to make sure that the flash plugin is the problem, I hate problem determination based on assumptions,

[08:47:15]

Bhaal:

Hrm... Maybe its a resolution problem? I am running a large res on a 42" LCD

[08:47:29]

Bhaal:

RDV_Linux: will dop

[08:47:31]

Bhaal:

do

[08:47:59]

RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: Are you running trunk?

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Bhaal:

RDV_Linux: no, this is mythbuntu 10.04

[09:00:52]

Bhaal:

I miss the old mythstream dammit

[09:00:57]

Bhaal:

:)

[09:01:11]

RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: Did you check the FE log?

[09:01:33]

Bhaal:

nothing I could see, its complaining about GLIB insertion failures, but thats all

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Bhaal:

Hrm

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Bhaal:

"I am using Arch. Your post helped me think it over. I had new installation of mythbrowser with flashplugin 10.1.53/686i it did the same. After sucessfull downgrade to flash 10.0.45/686i it is working now."

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Bhaal:

http://guide.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p= . . . ;postcount=4

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Bhaal:

Okey, that solved that problem but now i have no sound with flash, might need the older flash pulse package

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: The sound issue may be that ALSA has some other program locking the audio output. I daily need to close Firefox if it has played a flash video and often reset ALSA. Try a reboot (just to make sure) then immediately try a Netvision video to see if the audio plays.

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Bhaal:

The frontend in question here is mythtv only its not a desktop

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Bhaal:

Im assuming its pulse audio

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Bhaal:

or not

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Bhaal:

pulse isnt installed

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu doesnt install palse

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wagnerrp:

pulse

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: My comment is about Flash not playing well with ALSA and it seems that the audio output gets locked. I have seen this happen between Flash and any other program that uses audio. I just gave you an example.

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Bhaal:

RDV_Linux: yah... I tried upgrading, now that doesnt even work, although I dont think I tried playing any video the first time I was stuffing around days ago...

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Bhaal:

in firefox I mean

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Bhaal:

Anyway, given up now, and hoping for a proper streaming plugin to show up... I would prefer mplayer or something was doing the streaming...

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wagnerrp:

MNV is capable of using the internal play for streaming of any content that explicitly provides direct download links to content

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wagnerrp:

but since nearly all these sites use flash video, it was designed around using mythbrowser and flash

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: ??streaming?? or playing post video file download.

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Bhaal:

So, writing a plugin that would grab the rss feed for TED Talks and transform it into direct links to flash files would work?

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wagnerrp:

well... playing post download i suppose

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Bhaal:

bah

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Bhaal:

:)

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Bhaal:

I just want to be able to stream the stuff...

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: Playing Ted flash links would work

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wagnerrp:

that particular aspect hasnt gotten much thought, since nearly everything uses flash

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Bhaal:

RDV_Linux: sure, brings up the whole webpage

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, boxee behaves in exactly the same manner

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: There are many ways to get full screen autoplay of Flash. It just takes work. I have done that in the majority of grabbers I have submitted.

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Bhaal:

RDV_Linux: Just wish I could get audio, and then I would either figure one out for TED talks or ask you nicely to make one :)

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RDV_Linux:

Bhaal: ;)

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Bhaal:

however ... mplayer is much better/smoother at playing flash videos then flash itself is...

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wagnerrp:

as is the internal player

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wagnerrp:

but the websites arent set up to facilitate that

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wagnerrp:

and often, its against the terms of use for them

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wagnerrp:

then for things like Hulu, and more complex flash players

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wagnerrp:

there literally is no video file to download

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Bhaal:

Okey, so if I could get direct links to video files, is there any way i can stream them with myth?

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Bhaal:

the rss feed for ted talks provides an mp4 media:content url...

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wagnerrp:

i think the current plan is to add special handling in the backend

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wagnerrp:

have the backend start a background download, and make a ringbuffer available to the frontend as with livetv

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wagnerrp:

there's an opinion among a number of the devs that the backend is underutilized at current

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wagnerrp:

and theyre trying to push as much as makes sense onto the backend

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Bhaal:

Which that does yes...

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Bhaal:

Ah well... Im off to bed...

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Bhaal:

I wish I was a decent programmer and could help out with this stuff

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EvilGuru:

What user does mythfilldatabase run as when it is run automatically?

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wagnerrp:

whatever user is running mythbackend

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johnnyj:

and a full glass of water + the entire britta pitcher spill directly into my ergonomic keyboard – Happy Wednesday everyone!

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EvilGuru:

crazy, the mythtv user needs to write to /home/freddie/.mythtv

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wagnerrp:

meh... open it up, let it try out... good as new

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wagnerrp:

EvilGuru: that means for some reason, the mythtv user thinks $HOME is /home/freddie

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wagnerrp:

did you run mythbackend manually, after doing 'su mythtv'?

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Kind of right, as all of my config files are there

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EvilGuru:

As from mythbuntu the frontend runs by default as freddie, so having mythtv think freddie is its home is probably what I want

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wagnerrp:

as long has 'freddie' owns the storage and tuners

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wagnerrp:

usually, that means you'll have to put freddie in the 'video' group

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: You saw that Mark has already started work on VAAPI, right?

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iamlindoro:

ie, he has a working proof-of-concept patch and a task ticket open on it

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iamlindoro:

(this is re: your post of a few moments ago)

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danlench:

good day all, what command do i use to test my tuner card in mplayer. thanks

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wagnerrp:

danlench: would have to ask in #mplayer for that

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iamlindoro:

you're welcome

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iamlindoro:

haha

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wagnerrp:

glad to be of assistance

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danlench:

i keep getting an "mythtv is already using all available inputs" error even on a cold start.i would like to test my tuner card to ensure it is working properly. does anyone have any ideas how to do this? thanks

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wagnerrp:

digital or analog?

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danlench:

anal

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danlench:

og

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danlench:

prv-150

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danlench:

pvr-150

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oof...

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wagnerrp:

nothing like some spam flood for lunch

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wagnerrp:

danlench... seems to have left again

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johnnyj:

i need to toss a PVR-150 out – it randomly records static instead of audio on the rca input but I guess I'm sentimental

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wagnerrp:

i still say they should tear off the tuner, and remarket it as a capture card

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skd5aner:

johnnyj: send it to me, I'll use it

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yates:

what hardware do i need to watch hddvd on a mythtv system in full hd?

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wagnerrp:

you cannot watch hddvds in linux

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skd5aner:

it'll go to a good, loving home

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yates:

that sucks

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johnnyj:

skd5aner – a farm with some cows, and room to run free?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will play the EVOs on the HDDVD disks

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yates:

what are "EVOs"?

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wagnerrp:

but you must decrypt and extract them prior to playback

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yates:

do hddvds have component video outputs?

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yates:

YCrCb?

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wagnerrp:

no, HDDVDs are a little plastic disk

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skd5aner:

johnnyj: yea, something like that ;)

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wagnerrp:

they do not ouptut video

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wagnerrp:

and YCrCb is the not the traditional consumer component video

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yates:

composite video?

[12:58:17]

yates:

no.

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yates:

what do you call YCrCb?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp with all his technicalities

[12:59:01]

yates:

skd5aner: oh, is that what you call them? ;)

[12:59:05]

skd5aner:

yates: HD-DVD players probably do have a component out, totally depends on the player I suppose

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wagnerrp:

YCrCb is a format generally only used in professional video editing gear

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wagnerrp:

consumer component video is YPrPb

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wagnerrp:

HDDVD players typically have component outputs, which you can capture with an HDPVR

[13:00:37]

wagnerrp:

but thats not how you want to do it

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wagnerrp:

find some program that can decrypt the HDDVD

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yates:

"some program"?

[13:01:07]

yates:

like what?!?

[13:01:09]

wagnerrp:

and then just 'cat' the two EVO files on the disk together and stick it in your MythVideo directory

[13:01:13]

wagnerrp:

i use AnyDVD HD

[13:01:28]

wagnerrp:

apparently there are some freeware linux tools for HDDVD

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yates:

is AnyDVD HD legal?

[13:02:54]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/High_Definition_Disk_Formats

[13:02:58]

wagnerrp:

in Antigua, sure

[13:02:59]

yates:

not that this would stop me...

[13:03:05]

johnnyj:

yikes

[13:03:10]

wagnerrp:

love them banana republics

[13:04:23]

yates:

wagnerrp, skd5aner: thank you.

[13:04:32]

johnnyj:

is it possible to point the failsafe xorg to my actual xorg and thereby start X even if my monitor is powered off?

[13:04:52]

wagnerrp:

failsafe? actual?

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dustybin:

its official, my joggler running mythtv frontend woke me up at 6:30am this morning, a script launched BBC1 news

[13:05:03]

dustybin:

:D

[13:05:23]

dustybin:

i turned my head, and i was watching the news

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yates:

is there any talk of integrating Netflix'es online shows with MythTV

[13:06:20]

wagnerrp:

cannot be done

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yates:

cause they don't have a linux player?

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – if my lcd is powered off when I restart gdm then I end up in failsafe mode

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: Hey, that video tree remember thing isnt there anymore :( not in 0.23 anyway

[13:07:16]

johnnyj:

i often power the lcd off since it doesn't ever power down on it's own – i'm guessing this is part of why it was such a bargain

[13:07:18]

wagnerrp:

cause they use silverlight, and moonlight doesnt have the necessary DRM bits to make it work

[13:07:30]

yates:

silverlight – puke

[13:07:33]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: nvidia?

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dustybin:

surely a dual core atom 1.3ghz can handle SD

[13:07:42]

johnnyj:

wagnerrp – yeah

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dustybin:

i need to figure out why im getting pre-buffer pauses

[13:08:07]

wagnerrp:

capture the EDID, and manually feed it into the driver when you start X

[13:08:46]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Analog_Sound_DVI_to_HDMI

[13:08:47]

Bhaal:

Anyone know what happened to the option "remember position in video tree" in 0.23 ??

[13:08:58]

wagnerrp:

just dont do the bit where you modify the EDID block

[13:09:50]

johnnyj:

wagnerrp – wow that's handy – thanks

[13:09:51]

wagnerrp:

looks like this one is slightly more exactly what youre looking for... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Nvidia-cards_and_no_pi . . . efore_the_TV

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johnnyj:

nice

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johnnyj:

does anyone care if I add the term failsafe server to this wiki so it's easily found in my case?

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wagnerrp:

why are you running GDM?

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

is this machine used as a desktop?

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johnnyj:

yes it is

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dustybin:

2010-06–23 18:12:37.093 NVP(1): prebuffering pause

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dustybin:

why oh why oh why

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dustybin:

the CPU isnt over powered, im attached wired

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wagnerrp:

because youre on a 1.3GHz Atom?

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: surely thats enough for SD

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wagnerrp:

one would think

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dustybin:

BBC1 is now on

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dustybin:

Cpu0 : 32.0%us, 5.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 61.1%id, 0.0%wa, 1.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st

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dustybin:

Cpu1 : 30.2%us, 2.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 67.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, since going to 0.23 all remote clients (mythweb on my webserver and frontend on my desktop) have lost their channel icons

[13:14:23]

Beirdo:

figuring a Celeron used to be ample for SD (like Celeron 800)....

[13:14:35]

EvilGuru:

But, on my mythtv system (that running the backend) the icons are fine

[13:14:45]

wagnerrp:

that celeron 800 is probably comparable in power to an atom 1.3

[13:15:03]

Beirdo:

not even close

[13:15:21]

wagnerrp:

you know how those general programs love their branch prediction

[13:15:24]

Beirdo:

Atom 1.3GHz is a lot more powerful, even if it's not a full P4, etc.

[13:15:42]

Beirdo:

having used both... trust me, it's better

[13:15:43]

Beirdo:

heh

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sid3windr:

atom 1.6GHz ~ P3 1GHz

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Beirdo:

right.

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sid3windr:

with added fast cpu instructions of course

[13:16:01]

EvilGuru:

sid3windr: Sounds about right to me

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sid3windr:

sse3 etc

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dustybin:

i think i know what the problem is

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Beirdo:

and Celeron 800MHz < P3 1GHz

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sid3windr:

yup

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wagnerrp:

i recall seeing some benchmark a while back comparing an Atom to a 1Ghz mobile celeron

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wagnerrp:

the celeron beat it hands down

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dustybin:

when my joggler gets too hot, the CPU downclocks to 800

[13:16:33]

wagnerrp:

although it was an allendale (core 2) based celeron

[13:16:35]

dustybin:

i might need to fit a heat sink

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: was that the atom 1.1GHz Z510 by chance? :P

[13:16:44]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: celeron is too unspecific of a term.

[13:16:49]

wagnerrp:

believe it was one of the desktop versions

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sid3windr:

uses like, 1W, but is completely useless

[13:16:52]

Beirdo:

the Celeron 800 was a P3 Celeron

[13:16:59]

dustybin:

im going to put a powerful fan behind my joggler and try again :D

[13:17:00]

Beirdo:

at least the one I had

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sid3windr:

yup

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sid3windr:

p4 started from 1.6GHz or so

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Beirdo:

the 1GHz mobile Celeron are P4

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Beirdo:

IIRC

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: might want to pry off that plastic heatsink first

[13:17:43]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm happy with my D510 firewall :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Shadow__X:

yeah first gen p4's even came with rambus woohoo

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sid3windr:

rambus is a company, perhaps you mean rdram? ;)

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Shadow__X:

sid3windr: yeah whoops my oversight

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wagnerrp:

no, the memory was actually that expensive

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wagnerrp:

each purchased stick bought you a 1% share of the company

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Shadow__X:

heh yeah it was expensive and you had to install it in pairs

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Shadow__X:

but it was pretty fast especially for the time

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EvilGuru:

The whole netburst thing was something of a failure

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: why would your computer come on without your monitor being on?

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** iamlindoro gets the sneaking suspicion that he is going to end up modfying the South Africa MUG page himself **

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – I turned the lcd off before leaving home this morning and I have since restarted the display manager, in my case, gdm

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wagnerrp:

why not use DPMS and just have the monitor turn itself off

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp – that's not seeming to work

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dustybin:

how can one switch a monitor off via command line?

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wagnerrp:

`xset` and the dpms modes

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dustybin:

ace :D

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: thats works :D

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dustybin:

xset dpms force off

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Beirdo:

for those looking for PCI cards that should be able to do VDPAU...

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Beirdo:

http://www.sparkle.com.tw/product_detail.asp? . . . p;sub_id=332

[13:37:41]

Beirdo:

mine should show up in the next couple days

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wagnerrp:

i never liked sparkle

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wagnerrp:

bought one, worked for a couple days and crapped out

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Beirdo:

yeah well, if you want PCI...

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wagnerrp:

had to send it back for a replacement

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wagnerrp:

one of these... http://www.sparkle.com.tw/product_detail.asp? . . . p;sub_id=239

[13:39:09]

wagnerrp:

very weakly mounted heatsink

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johnnyj:

wow that gts 250 has a massive heat sink

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Beirdo:

ick

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wagnerrp:

i can only imagine i put too much load on one side, and crushed the side of the GPU die

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: the high end cards for the last couple years have all had similar heatsinks

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johnnyj:

but with a name like Sparkle...

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Beirdo:

?!

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Beirdo:

what's with the ban line removal?

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wagnerrp:

flood spam

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Beirdo:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

check your backlog

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dustybin:

DPMS kicks butt, the best screensaver in the world

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wagnerrp:

i would expect their mascot to be http://simpsoncrazy.com/content/pictures/onetimers/MrSparkle.gif

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johnnyj:

ha

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Beirdo:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

ironically.. the /only/ screensaver in the world

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Beirdo:

!seen jams

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MythLogBot:

jams is here and has been idle for 1 minute 50 seconds

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Beirdo:

OK :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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jams:

yes i'm present

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Beirdo:

I hadn't seen ya around, and then the ban lines :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

those so called 'screensavers' that just display crap on screen, theyre not saving anything

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Beirdo:

never mind

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jams:

yeah i was removing the ban, high-rez was being annoying

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Beirdo:

he needs to fix his client :)

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Beirdo:

looks like the rejoin to irc needs some pacing

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Beirdo:

gets kicked off the server for flooding... rejoins, the rejoins flood the server... lather rinse repeat

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Beirdo:

stupid IRC client

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johnnyj:

now i want to go home early and turn my lcd back on – i'm so impatient

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dustybin:

johnnyj: dont worry i can do it for you

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dustybin:

xset dpms force on

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wagnerrp:

i dont think that will pop an arm out of his computer to hit the power button

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johnnyj:

maybe if i had a Finglonger

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johnnyj:

or a few in sequence

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** iamlindoro would like to make an arm pop out of dustybin's computer and hit something **

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johnnyj:

nice

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johnnyj:

i'd be happy to employ dpms since the power button is obtuse and slow to respond – I'll never buy another bargain lcd – ever

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, the mythcenter theme seems to have lost the 'watched' icon

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wagnerrp:

since what version?

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Well, it appears as if the icon has moved to the left of the list (checked with anyother system)

[14:14:37]

EvilGuru:

However, the icon does not display as the grid/list of programs is clipped (too wide)

[14:14:51]

EvilGuru:

And have had no luck reducing the font used used for the list

[14:15:40]

EvilGuru:

It seems as if Media Library => Watch Recordings is not affected by changing the font sizes

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wagnerrp:

im saying what version did you upgrade from?

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EvilGuru:

Oh, 0.21 where it used to live with all of the other icons

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wagnerrp:

MythCenter was rewritten for the new UI, and basically amounts to some images wrapped around the theme defaults

[14:18:02]

wagnerrp:

the font settings are largely a placebo with the new theme engine

[14:18:10]

wagnerrp:

i dont think they actually do anything

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, as they appear to be a couple of point sizes too large

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EvilGuru:

At least for the non-widescreen version, the widescreen one works fine

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dustybin:

i can see the problem

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dustybin:

for ages and ages, the CPUs are around 30%, playback is fine

[14:22:11]

dustybin:

then suddenly the CPUs hit 70/80% then the pausing starts

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: http://freddie.witherden.org/drop/mythtv.jpg is what I get with widescreen

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Beirdo:

hey, if anyone's in Ottawa, how was the quake for ya?

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jst:

Does anyone know how to set up a HVR-1800 or HVR-1250? Should I configure the card as type DVB?

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dustybin:

i am now playing a video file using mplayer, no pauses at all, the CPU is consistant

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wagnerrp:

DVB, yes

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jst:

wagnerrp, that's strange... that's what I thought. It won't let me select /dev/video1 or /dev/video2... (0 == HDPVR, 1 == 1800 or 1250, 2 == 1800 or 1250).

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wagnerrp:

/dev/video1 and /dev/video2 are not DVB devices

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jst:

Those are the only devices I have.

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jst:

apollo:/dev$ ls video*

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jst:

video0 video1 video2

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wagnerrp:

thats fine, none of those are DVB

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jst:

I installed the latest v4l-dvb drivers, too.

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wagnerrp:

DVB uses /dev/dvb/*

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jst:

Ohh.

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dustybin:

how much RAM does the frontend require?

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jst:

apollo:/dev/dvb$ ls

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jst:

adapter0

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jst:

Should it have more? That doesn't seem right.

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wagnerrp:

you should have one per tuner

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jst:

Okay, then something is seriously wrong. lspci shows two 1250s, but one is actually an 1800.

[14:36:10]

jst:

Can someone make sense of this? http://pastebin.com/SnfJdZdb

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jst:

Going to restart, brb.

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** wagnerrp wonders just what percentage of mythtv users are running mythtv on their primary computer **

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** EvilGuru runs his frontend on his primary computer **

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EvilGuru:

mainly because my family prefer the picture the Sony TV gives as opposed to what myth feeds it through HDMI

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dustybin:

everything works on mythfrontend apart from watch tv and videos

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wagnerrp:

what does that leave?

[14:44:59]

** dustybin fingers mythmusic **

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wagnerrp:

a bunch of low CPU menus

[14:45:15]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: mplayer plays video no problem at all

[14:45:20]

wagnerrp:

and music playback which could be handled on any first generation pentium

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dustybin:

i could swap from internal

[14:45:42]

dustybin:

can mythtv use mplayer to play back tv ?

[14:45:47]

wagnerrp:

no

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

i entered mplayer instead of internal player but i did not see mplayer appear in TOP

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iamlindoro:

There's nowhere to "enter" mplayer for TV

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iamlindoro:

TV was, is, and always will be Internal, and Internal only. There's no setting.

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EvilGuru:

As an aside: when did Myth get MHEG support? Just noticed it now. Neat

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: what about for mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: .20 or .19ish

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: MythVideo isn't TV

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dustybin:

i know, but at least i could watch videos on it

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: I'd never noticed it. Might have to go and re-scan all of those alternate stream DVB channels

[14:53:34]

dustybin:

xvmc only works on nvidia cards?

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvmc

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wagnerrp:

s/only works on nvidia cards/shouldnt be used ever/

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dustybin:

there used to be a option where you put the mplayer command on mythvideo

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dustybin:

i cannot find it anywhere

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J-e-f-f-A:

"XvMC could be extended in the future to support the same processes as the newer competing hardware video acceleration API's like VDPAU, XvBA, and VAAPI:"... Yeah, right....

[15:01:17]

dustybin:

my god

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dustybin:

if i manually blow behind my joggler

[15:01:29]

dustybin:

the tv plays fine for ages

[15:01:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

Sounds like it's overheating...

[15:01:40]

dustybin:

as soon as i stop, and leave it for a while, it cracks up

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dustybin:

yep

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wagnerrp:

sounds like its in a bad mood, and you need to make it happy

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs. **

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** dustybin carrys on blowing joggler **

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iamlindoro:

sounds like someone is trying to use a fancy remote control as a frontend

[15:02:02]

iamlindoro:

oh, whoops, someone is

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wagnerrp:

a remote control, with a plastic heatsink

[15:02:24]

iamlindoro:

yup

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wagnerrp:

i seem to recall telling im to pry that thing off hours ago

[15:02:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

If I had a Joggler, I'd set it up as the ultimate MythTV Status LCD display... ;-)

[15:03:48]

wagnerrp:

apparently theres a tennis match going on at wimbledon currently, that has been going on for almost 9hrs

[15:04:03]

keith4:

myth frontend running on a joggler?!

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keith4:

... why?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: and the players haven't passed out yet?

[15:04:45]

wagnerrp:

somehow no

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dustybin:

even the program guide is pretty handy to have on the joggler

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johnnyj:

J-e-f-f-A: I was on a conference call like that early today

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wagnerrp:

seems they have to be up by 2 matches in order to actually win

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wagnerrp:

theyre currently tied at 51 matches each

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johnnyj:

jeez

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: Yep, been there, done that. ;-) At my prior company I was frequently on long client conf calls, and a few days when I worked from home, I learned that my Vonage line would automatically hang up at exactly 4 hrs...

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** J-e-f-f-A does NOT miss that job!!!!!! **

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johnnyj:

J-e-f-f-A: i had some lenghty nightime calls here until i persuaded them that our F5's were overpaid and underworked

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: do you have a link on that game?

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/index.html

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Unfortunately, whoever wins is out tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

on account of being unable to raise their arm

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, no kidding.

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iamlindoro:

Epic, but adios

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dustybin:

i have just dismantled the joggler, removed the internal wireless, put my tiny usb storage inside it

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dustybin:

its now slightly open with a big fan behind it

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dustybin:

mythtv is playing tv smooth so far :D

[15:45:49]

dustybin:

Cpu0 : 29.7%us, 1.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 67.6%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 1.0%si, 0.0%st

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dustybin:

wow :D

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dustybin:

Cpu1 : 29.4%us, 4.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 65.9%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st

[15:46:02]

EvilGuru:

dustybin: Are you deinterlacing?

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dustybin:

yes

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justinh:

DjMadness: you're flapping again

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dustybin:

before it was hitting 70

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dustybin:

now it says

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dustybin:

Adapter: Virtual device

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dustybin:

temp1: +41.0°C (crit = +100.0°C)

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DjMadness:

justinh: flapping ?

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: Can it handle yadif?

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dustybin:

ill test hold on

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justinh:

pinging in & out of channel

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justinh:

EvilGuru: no it can't

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dustybin:

the video is smooth

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dustybin:

the CPU usuage has gone up

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dustybin:

Cpu0 : 58.7%us, 3.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 34.4%id, 0.0%wa, 2.3%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st

[15:49:09]

dustybin:

Cpu1 : 59.4%us, 1.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 39.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st

[15:49:21]

dustybin:

temp1: +41.0°C (crit = +100.0°C)

[15:49:32]

dustybin:

as long as the temp is low, its fine!! :D

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dustybin:

i will need to do a heatsink mod to it

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** dustybin watches world cup on joggler :D **

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dustybin:

i now have a spare usb port on the side :D

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sphery:

"Then I did understand the priority scheme correctly, and the priority scheme is broken."

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sphery:

Says a guy who refuses to read the HOWTO's description of how priority works

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro

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justinh:

hmmm can I be bothered to do any theme work or should I just shop around for camcorders some more.. hmm

[15:58:59]

dustybin:

http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=CPU_Heatsink_Replacement

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justinh:

dustybin: muh muh muh joggler muh muh muh joggler muh muh wibble

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dustybin:

justinh: its rock solid

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dustybin:

there must be another way to cool the CPU instead of chopping up all that plastic

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dustybin:

how about a mini fan

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stuarta:

get a huge heatsink?

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dustybin:

stuarta: that means cutting plastic

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dustybin:

and losing a speaker

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stuarta:

real heatsinks are made from metal!

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dustybin:

stuarta: http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=File:Newone.jpg

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stuarta:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

'if i intentionally trip, i can just lay here on the court for a bit'

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justinh:

real heatsinks are actually attached to the things they're supposed to be dissipating heat from

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dustybin:

i would like a nice silent fan inside it

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stuarta:

aye. like the CEO's head?

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justinh:

I prefer embedded in :)

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dustybin:

ive turned the fan off a minute ago

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dustybin:

temp1: +51.0°C (crit = +100.0°C)

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sid3windr:

crit = 100? o_O

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justinh:

if it gets to 100 deg C, it sets off a brownian motion source & generates infinite probability

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EvilGuru:

my laptop sometimes get to 100C

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justinh:

and all this, is if you *believe* what lm sensors says. it's not always right

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EvilGuru:

justinh: coretemp is usually close to perfect

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justinh:

maybe so. voltages are usually way way WAY off though

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dustybin:

the fan has been off for a while, no overheating so far, the screws are undone

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EvilGuru:

justinh: I thought that they were not too bad nowadays?

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EvilGuru:

vcore often seems wrong due to vdroop, though

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justinh:

depends on the setup I suppose

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justinh:

efnet? sounds sweary

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Beirdo:

it is a fairly curse-inspiring network... or was last time I used it

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sid3windr:

effing net!

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sid3windr:

:p

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jams:

efnet is one of those shady areas of the net that people fear and preach about

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stuarta:

it's the lawless wild wild west

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** J-e-f-f-A has NEVER heard of a Plastic heatsink until now.... Plastic *insulator* – YES, Heatsink – NO! **

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justinh:

well plastic conducts heat.. just not as well as metal ;)

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johnnyj:

score: Torrent of H2O: 0 – MS Ergonomic Keyboard: 1

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Beirdo:

torrents are not appreciated here... read the FAQ :)

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Beirdo:

!url faq

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword faq

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Beirdo:

huh? I removed that one!

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johnnyj:

Score: MythLogBot: 1 – Beirdo: 0

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Beirdo:

Ahhh, it's there but disabled

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Beirdo:

heh

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johnnyj:

yikesImighthavesplokentoosoononthiskeyboard

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Beirdo:

!url faq

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MythLogBot:

faq: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC

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Beirdo:

there we go

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i think if you download a 'torrent of water' onto your computer, the problem will solve itself

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

yeah, most likely would :)

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Beirdo:

ZOT!

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sid3windr:

download, unload, .. ;)

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Beirdo:

stream...

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sid3windr:

:D

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johnnyj:

deinterlace

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johnnyj:

stupid manufacturing – had to use 2 differnt screw sizes

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dae_:

Hi, is it a known bug that I'm unable to switch channel during LiveTV on my HVR-1300 card using the cx88_blackbird driver? The backend crashes (segfault), due to issue reading the mpeg from from the cx88_blackbird driver after a channel switch. I see various old posts and error reports in this regard, but I'm unable to figure out if the issue should still be present?

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stuarta:

i think my video card is dying

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stuarta:

:(

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Dassu:

:( My GF6800le died on my box

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Dassu:

already

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Dassu:

:( Had to go back to the GF2

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Dassu:

sleep now ->

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drindt:

my backend can not connect to database, mythsetup can properly connect where is my issue? here is the log for you http://fpaste.org/OPsb/ thanks for all hints

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Bhaal:

Anyone know what happened to "remember position in video tree" in 0.23?

[18:34:29]

oobe:

and .22

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oobe:

it broke in .22 and no one has fixed it yet

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sphery:

drindt: Fix /every single/ config.xml and mysql.txt on the entire file system. Use find or locate to find them all.

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drindt:

sphery: thats the second time i had this problem, so i searched all the files and found no issues

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Bhaal:

oobe: Ahhh, I jumped from 0.21 to 0.23 ...

[18:38:24]

Bhaal:

Its somewhat annoying for me as I have an extensive video collection...

[18:39:25]

oobe:

yes i used to love it

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oobe:

i use a patch that semi restores the functionality

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drindt:

sphery: i had overseen the first line in the file under /etc :D thanks for your hint again

[18:40:31]

oobe:

i used to like switching between gallery and listings to swap content i was watching then return to where i was in listings but i cant do that anymore

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** sphery is glad he re-enabled the code that tells users which config directory it's using **

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oobe:

the new patch remembers where i was in gallery

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sphery:

and good job running an actual recent version (as it's makes things much easier than using the pre-0.23 version that ships with many distros)

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drindt:

sphery: :) tell me please the default storage folder is /var/lib/mythtv ?

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sphery:

only mythtv-setup can tell you... Storage Directories section

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sphery:

that's a per-system config (but I will say that's where many distros put it)

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kingkaeru__:

anyone here running xbmc as a frontend for a mythtv backend?

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** sphery runs mythfrontend as the frontend for mythbackend **

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kingkaeru__:

me too sphery

[18:49:10]

kingkaeru__:

but the mythfrontend UI kinda sucks donkey balls for non livetv type stuff

[18:49:28]

sphery:

kingkaeru__: thanks for the compliment

[18:49:46]

iamlindoro:

I am suddenly filled with a deep, sincere urge to answer any and all queries from you

[18:49:54]

iamlindoro:

Are you single? I like those pants

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kingkaeru__:

sorry...:/

[18:50:16]

iamlindoro:

In related news, we don't provide any support for third party frontends here

[18:50:24]

iamlindoro:

you will need to seek support from the distributors of those softwares

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sphery:

And it's not like we aren't trying to make it better. Unfortunately, there are those who don't think we should drop support for 1998-era harsware.

[18:50:45]

kingkaeru__:

totally not asking you to stop development

[18:50:51]

kingkaeru__:

and the mythtv backend is awesome

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sphery:

kingkaeru__: besides, if you configure new MythTV properly, the mythfrontend UI is very nice.

[18:51:08]

kingkaeru__:

indeed, it works great – i use it now and have been for years

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drindt:

sphery: thank you

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sphery:

what I'm saying is that current mythfrontend has much of the capabilities that xbmc has

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kingkaeru__:

yes it does

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sphery:

and most users who complain don't go to the trouble of enabling said UI-bling features

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kingkaeru__:

can you link said bling features?

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sphery:

and then there's the whole range of features mythfrontend has that xbmc doesn't

[18:52:19]

kingkaeru__:

or provide a searchterm i could use to google?

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sphery:

search the mythtv wiki for information on metadata

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kingkaeru__:

k

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sphery:

same for lists, etc.

[18:52:50]

kingkaeru__:

perhaps i just havent looked into it enough

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kingkaeru__:

right now i have basically two systems running

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kingkaeru__:

xbmc and mythtv

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sphery:

and you'll want to use a reasonable Theme, too--i.e. don't use MythCenter-wide, use Arclight instead or whatever

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kingkaeru__:

xbmc is used for video files and mp3's

[18:53:33]

kingkaeru__:

like music videos and songs

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kingkaeru__:

myth is used for tv

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sphery:

anything designed before mythui is a bad choice (and seems to only exist because the same people who don't want change are "fixing" it)

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Bhaal:

oobe: Im guess that patch you spoke of before will only work when patching the source?

[18:54:43]

oobe:

yes thats the only way

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sphery:

Yeah, current 0.23-fixes and better mythfrontend is great for TV and videos. Music is still being converted to the new stuff/improved.

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oobe:

you patch a pre compiled binary thats for sure

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oobe:

well i guess you could but who would make such a short lived and unuseful thing

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kingkaeru__:

the arclight theme is impressive

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kingkaeru__:

first time i've ever seen/heard of it

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Bhaal:

oobe: :)

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oobe:

Bhaal, do you want a link to the thread the patch comes from

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kingkaeru__:

i think it would increase mythtv's image if it was default

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kingkaeru__:

*used as the default theme

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oobe:

Bhaal, http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7425

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Bhaal:

oobe: Nah, got that link.. But Im running mythbuntu and dont really feel like installing the source, It inevitablly will end in tears...

[18:57:07]

oobe:

ok

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Bhaal:

oobe: I used to build mythtv from source back in the day before the dists picked it up...

[18:58:00]

Bhaal:

But not anymore, I need something that I can setup and it stays running, I guess I can deal with issues like this till the next version

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oobe:

Bhaal, are you a freenode staffer

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Bhaal:

If I have a broken system when my kids are at my place every second week then they will be unhappy, which will make me unhappy...

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Bhaal:

oobe: used to be, hence the emeritus

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oobe:

ok i wasnt sure

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oobe:

i didnt know what that meant

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Bhaal:

emeritus: adj : honorably retired from assigned duties and retaining your title along with the additional title `emeritus' as in `professor emeritus'; `retired from assigned duties' need not imply that one is inactive [syn: {retired}] [wn]

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sphery:

kingkaeru__: fully agreed about making Arclight the default... Maybe I'll push that one for 0.24.

[19:01:35]

kingkaeru__:

thanks for the suggestion sphery

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kingkaeru__:

i'm building a new frontend right now

[19:02:00]

kingkaeru__:

and the plan was to use mythtv frontend but also try xbmc as a frontend

[19:02:24]

kingkaeru__:

didnt know the arclight theme changed the UI so much

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Bhaal:

oobe: despite not being able to get a streaming solution working I was most happy with my system after last night... I am finally able to suspend my frontend machine, I havent had that working in ages, even changed motherboards to try and get it working...

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Bhaal:

But now in ubuntu 10.04 it works...

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oobe:

awesome

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Bhaal:

So, I set it up to put the amp and lcd into standby and take them off standby when I resume...

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oobe:

what did yuo use to suspend

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you see that skype opened up a (invite only) fully open SDK?

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Bhaal:

The standard pm--suspend, after some screwing around figuring out why that wasnt working (bios was not set to S3) it all goes smoothly...

[19:04:28]

oobe:

oh ok i use that and havent had any problems

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sphery:

wagnerrp: really? that is /very/ surprising

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Bhaal:

oobe: keep in mind I have no tuners or extraneous devices attached, just an MCE remote...

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oobe:

mind you i dont have to worry about peripherals

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wagnerrp:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/06/s . . . -gadgets.ars

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oobe:

mce usb to resume works well on mine

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oobe:

only works with suspend 2 ram though i cant get it to wake from S5

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, and http://blogs.skype.com/devzone/2010/06/skypekit_beta.html

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if there's any sort of restriction preventing use with phone adapters and calling systems

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wagnerrp:

considering those have paying providers

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sphery:

wagnerrp: still looking for the license, but what I've found so far I could live with ("But, SkypeKit won't be opened up to every single use case that developers dream up. For example, our license terms prohibit using SkypeKit for gambling or adult-themed applications."

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Bhaal:

oobe: Ive gone from having a combined front/back to split, and still had endless trouble getting suspend to work without failing... Now I am happy, can save some power...

[19:07:51]

skd5aner:

MythPhone v2, powered by Skype(TM)!

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oobe:

oh well thats different

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oobe:

did you use a guide to get it to resume for scheduled recordings

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sphery:

skd5aner: I'd rather have MythPhone v2, powered by QuteCom, but unfortunately, since you're currently limited to calling only people on the QuteCom network with QuteCom...

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i would hope any revival of mythphone would keep SIP or IAX as their primary connections

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Bhaal:

oobe: I am probably gonna use the hybrid suspend on the off chance the UPS fails or something, I dont mind if I cannot power on from the remote in that case...

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sphery:

though this may change that restriction (in which case QuteCom--being Qt--would integrate /very/ nicely with MythTV code)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea

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Bhaal:

oobe: Its just a frontend, backend with the tuner cards is all in the file server...

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sphery:

and, yeah, standard, non-proprietary is best

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sphery:

even if that standard uses SkypeKit to hook into Skype's network

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I just hope it's open enough that we can build a 64-bit version since Skype doesn't care to

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wagnerrp:

my watch runs linux, can i install mythtv on it???!?!??

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sphery:

I've been considering getting a Linux-powered alarm clock... (Chumby, particularly)

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sphery:

holding off until someone gets MythTV working on it

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wagnerrp:

rather expensive

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sphery:

yeah, that's the real reason I haven't bought one, yet

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wagnerrp:

may as well pick up a joggler off ebay for that price

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sphery:

I've even considered making a DIY linux system

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sphery:

atom-based?

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wagnerrp:

1.3GHz Atom, and some form of intel graphics, 256 or 512M of memory, dont remember off hand

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** Bhaal installs mythtv on wagnerrp **

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sphery:

If I wanted a low power-usage device, why would I get an atom? That's what ARM is for. :)

[19:18:41]

sphery:

I'd even be more likely to go PowerPC.

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sphery:

but I am very biased :)

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wagnerrp:

i wonder why AMDs line (geode) never took off

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wagnerrp:

ive got a geode based firewall

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sphery:

they never really pushed it--they've taken the stance that there's no need for a separate low-power architecture for x86 when you can just make normal x86 CPU's that take very little power.

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sphery:

I think the whole Geode (and Neo) line was something they bought up in the craze of the tech bubble and then realized was more useful for the ideas that could be applied to their main arch's

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sphery:

Their Athlon XP re-works that are very low power were a lot better, IMHO, than compromising on compute performance. And with the Athlon Neo line that brings modern cores and low-power-usage together...

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wagnerrp:

serves me just fine, so long as im not trying to compile anything on it

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wagnerrp:

nice enough for something that runs on like 2W

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sphery:

Yeah, Atom really isn't bad as long as it's used where appropriate.

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sphery:

and in truth, the AMD low-TDP chips (Athlon XP reworks and now the Athlon Neo line) have very similar characteristics in terms of power usage and performance, so...

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sphery:

basically, I like the fact that AMD is just using virtually the same designs for their whole line

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wagnerrp:

ive heard of them, never really looked into them much

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wagnerrp:

i know when i bought my laptop like 9yrs ago

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wagnerrp:

intel was starting to release their ULV processors

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sphery:

heh, yeah, that was a whole different story

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wagnerrp:

and had a midgrade P3 that ran like 0.5W under load

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sphery:

yeah, AMD took a while to get low power--just like Intel took a while to get low-power for desktop/server chips--but I like AMD's approach better if for no other reason than consistency

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sphery:

sure, Intel could go farther with their since they're designing the whole CPU architecture for low power

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oobe:

sphery, linux powered alarm clock?

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oobe:

oh that was a joke

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oobe:

wasnt sure

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sphery:

actually, that's pretty much what Chumby is

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sphery:

a $199 Linux-powered alarm clock

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sphery:

http://www.chumby.com/

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wagnerrp:

thats the expensive one, you can get them as low as $120

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sphery:

(really, the thing I want more than anything is NTP)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, I saw, "Starting at $199.95"...

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sphery:

didn't go into the store, though

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sphery:

ah, yeah, the front page of the store has Chumby Classic and Chumby One both for $119.95

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wagnerrp:

and even the $200 one is really only $150

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sphery:

they need to update that home-page pic

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oobe:

i saw somthing awesome but i cant remember the product name its a open source pda type thing for under $200 all its code is based on linux busybox linksys routeresk style code and is completely open

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sphery:

kind of turns people away

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oobe:

you probably know what im talking about

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wagnerrp:

openmoko?

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oobe:

luckly i could find the link quick http://is.gd/d1bvN

[19:38:31]

wagnerrp:

sphery: seems the cheaper one is actually more capable

[19:38:46]

wagnerrp:

it just doesnt have the italian leather, and flair

[19:38:57]

wagnerrp:

you know, the nazis made the jews wear flair

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sphery:

yeah, cheaper one is newer

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sphery:

has only one USB port, though

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sphery:

and the older one (Classic) is actually $149.95--I misread)

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wagnerrp:

no, front page says $200, store says $150

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sphery:

yeah, after you mentioned $120, I (wrongly) said, "ah, yeah, the front page of the store has Chumby Classic and Chumby One both for $119.95"

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wagnerrp:

oobe: sounds about as capable as the Palm i bought 7 years ago

[19:41:21]

oobe:

yea its not powerful

[19:41:45]

oobe:

but it comes with a philosphy and concept that is unique

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wagnerrp:

well... except for openmoko

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oobe:

ok so openmoko is doing the same?

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wagnerrp:

they made an open source smartphone years ago

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Beirdo:

someone at work has the new iPhone4 and is causing phone envy

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oobe:

that phone on there site looks more powerful than the pda i linked to

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Beirdo:

I'll pass

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Beirdo:

for now :)

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sphery:

oobe: Openmoko was trying to do a completely open hardware and software platform. Unfortunately, they (and their backer, FIC) weren't Google and didn't have Google's money.

[19:50:29]

sphery:

So when Google announced something--and claimed that it was open--they got all the love. Openmoko is, well, an interesting community, now.

[19:50:53]

sphery:

(and that's about all that's left--a community of die-hards who love the idea)

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oobe:

oh well

[19:52:17]

oobe:

are you talking about googles idea for a linux powered notebook or somthing

[19:52:24]

oobe:

i still havent seen that come out

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sphery:

Yeah. I loved the plan--every piece of hardware was required to come with open drivers, and they even made every effort to get the vendor to open the firmware for the components they chose.

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oobe:

whos plan openmoko's or google's

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sphery:

I'm talking about Google's Android platform. It's "open" according to Google.

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oobe:

ok

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sphery:

that plan was Openmoko's. Google's plan is a /lot/ less open.

[19:53:49]

sphery:

even the software isn't fully open.

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oobe:

well if we have to take there word for it then its not really open hehe

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sphery:

and a lot of it is not Free

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sphery:

but since it's free, a lot of people fell prey to Google's marketing trickery

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oobe:

most ppl dont appreciate the difference between free and non-free if they both dont cost money

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skd5aner:

eh, Android FTW!

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sphery:

(And, no, I'm not saying that owning an Android-based phone is bad--I'll likely get one eventually since most other things are dying and it's at least a lot more open than iPhone--but saying that I don't like Google's approach to Andoid. Though I'll admit it's better than other phones with single-vendor closed OSs.)

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johnnyj:

i have completely hosed my nvidia driver somehow

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wagnerrp:

anyone know if the sigma designs chips were over open-spec'd?

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wagnerrp:

i mean certainly it wouldnt be difficult to get mythtv running on an ARM

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wagnerrp:

but it would all be for naught if there was no way to ever get the video decoders running

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, No, they haven't been

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iamlindoro:

no current way to use the DSPs in an open source project

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** J-e-f-f-A <3's his Android phone... ;-) **

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iamlindoro:

And the code linked is *just* the GPL code, not the proprietary stuff on top of it (which you doubtless already knew)

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iamlindoro:

they might as well just mirror the kernel and pretend they are doing you a favor

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iamlindoro:

Since that's basically exactly what they're doing

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iamlindoro:

In other news, yay new futurama starting tomorrow!

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Beirdo:

nice

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yudi1:

I created a 200gb jfs partition on an external esata drive, how do I move the default storage directory to the external drive. Right now it's in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. I cannot find any info @ hoto section, anybody could point me in the right direction

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yudi1:

sorry I meant howto section @ mythtv.org

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wagnerrp:

you dont move it, you just add the new directory to the storage group you want

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wagnerrp:

you can move files freely within any directory listed on that storage group

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yudi1:

I am just watching live tv and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings is filling up my 10gb partition. I just want to stop that

[20:32:28]

yudi1:

I never used jfs before. Do I need to create a folder first and then add it?

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wagnerrp:

format the disk, mount it, make a new folder, and then add that folder to the storage group of choice in mythtv-setup

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yudi1:

formatted the disk using gparted, mounted it, but unable to create a folder, option greyed out, I am using ubuntu 10.04 ext4. do I need to install jfsutils first?

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wagnerrp:

grayed out?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know 'mkdir' could be grayed out

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yudi1:

mkdir: cannot create directory `recording': Permission denied, this is what I am getting

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wagnerrp:

so you need to fix your permissions

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wagnerrp:

`chmod`

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yudi1:

ok, I read some where that /var/lib/mythtv/recordings, and the new directory should have same permissions,

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yudi1:

is that right

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wagnerrp:

they should both be writable by the user running mythbackend

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yudi1:

ok, I never used chmod before, just reading up on it

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wagnerrp:

wow... apparently deus ex 2 was so hated, people have been maintaining deus ex 1 for the last decade

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wagnerrp:

retexture, rebalance, and DX10 support

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wagnerrp:

unfortunately it still looks like late '90s crap, but with dynamic lighting

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yudi1:

wagnerrp, when I do ls -l, this is what come out: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 256 2010-06–24 10:03 mythtv, mythtv is the partition name

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yudi1:

does it mean owner of the partition is root?

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wagnerrp:

the directory name is 'mythtv', not the partition

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wagnerrp:

and yes, that means root owns it, and everyone else has read-only access

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yudi1:

no it is the partition label, so can I just use sudo chown to change it to my account

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yudi1:

after sudo chown, this is what it looks like, drwxr-xr-x 2 rv root 256 2010-06–24 10:03 mythtv, rv is my account, what does root signify here

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yudi1:

this is the only partition with root in it, every other partition has rv rv

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yudi1:

ok I created a folder in jfs partition, now just add that as new directory?

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yudi1:

now I have two entries under default storage group directories, will mythtv use the new directory or the old one?

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J-e-f-f-A:

yudi1: it will use all that are defined... So you should delete the one you don't want with the "d" key... and copy your files over from the old dir to the new dir.

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yudi1:

I have no recordings in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings, just livetv recordings, so its safe to delete it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

yudi1: I don't know if it matters since it's livetv recordings, but the backend might get confused if it can't find them to expire/delete, so I'd move them over anyways unless somebody else knows better... ;-)

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yudi1:

I just deleted it, and the tv is running alright, but I nothing is being generated at the new location??

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yudi1:

what other locations does it save files to?

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wagnerrp:

only those locations you define in the storage group

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J-e-f-f-A:

yudi1: did you restart the backend?

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yudi1:

no, will do that.

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wagnerrp:

you must restart the backend for changes in mythtv-setup to take effect

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yudi1:

k

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yudi1:

what I want to know is do I need to change all the storage groups or just the default

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wagnerrp:

unless you specify otherwise, recordings will record to 'Default'

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yudi1:

after i deleted default location, did not restart backend, it save all the fresh livetv to var/lib/mythtv/livetv. if I restart will it go back to default

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yudi1:

I mean new location

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wagnerrp:

changes in mythtv-setup will not take effect until you restart the backend

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yudi1:

sudo restart mythtv-backend – right/

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt know

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yudi1:

restarted, no its not using default, still using var/lib/mythtv/livetv, I guess I need to change this as well

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J-e-f-f-A:

yudi1: Umm,, yeah, if you've got a "livetv" storage group, it's going to use that for livetv recordings...

[21:38:51]

yudi1:

it's got quite a few storage groups, – default, livetv, db backup, videos .......... list goes on

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yudi1:

created a new group in livetv, deleted the old one, restarted backend, tv does not play

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yudi1:

is there anywhere else needs updating

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yudi1:

I changed the storage directories and now tv does not start

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yudi1:

any ideas why?

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wagnerrp:

check your backend log

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yudi1:

trying to access http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/, but getting a blank page? using firefox

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yudi1:

Is there any link that I can read up on howto change storage directories

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that happens

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wagnerrp:

pastebin.ca is flakey

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wagnerrp:

which is why the topic now lists to use mythtv.pastebin.com

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yudi1:

could you have a look at this http://mythtv.pastebin.com/3kXrUuzZ, I dont have a clue

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yudi1:

please

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wagnerrp:

i could try, but firefox is being flakey at the moment too

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yudi1:

k

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yudi1:

offtopic qts, do you know how to stop empathy from scrolling the end when I am trying to have a look at old messages?

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i really need to move my user profile onto the domain

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wagnerrp:

line 154 seems pretty descriptive of the problem to me

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J-e-f-f-A:

and 250/251

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Beirdo:

yawn

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J-e-f-f-A:

you can't yawn, it's only 7pm for you. ;-)

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Beirdo:

ugh, blah

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Beirdo:

so? I'm allowed to yawn at 7 :)

[22:15:13]

Beirdo:

some yappy little mutt is going crazy outside

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Beirdo:

yap yap ayap

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Beirdo:

Hike!.... punt!

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J-e-f-f-A:

or if you're down south.... yap yap yap *bang* .. .. ...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I like dogs... but that's an overgrown rat

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anyone around tonight?

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Beirdo:

nope

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cleith:

nice

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Beirdo:

just us chickens

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wagnerrp:

!seen Anyone

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MythLogBot:

Anyone was last seen 1631 days 9 hours 44 seconds ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

^ beat me to it...

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wagnerrp:

seems youre out of luck

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Beirdo:

figures

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wagnerrp:

!seen chickens

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MythLogBot:

chickens has not been seen here

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen luck

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MythLogBot:

luck has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

!seen common sense

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MythLogBot:

common sense has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

you can take spaces?

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** J-e-f-f-A is ROTFLMAO! **

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Beirdo:

for !seen, yeah

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Beirdo:

it takes everything after seen

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wagnerrp:

!seen ROTFLMAO

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MythLogBot:

ROTFLMAO has not been seen here

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yudi1:

wagnerrp, jaffa, thankyou, tv back on, n recording on external drive. I have this setup on laptop and olny watch tv when home, how will mythtv behave with hotplugging tv tuners and storage?

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Beirdo:

hotplugging? I bet it will crash when you yank the plug

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cleith:

I recently switched from VDPAU to Xv and now OSD display has some quirks. Anyone understand why the volume OSD will not appear on the program guide (but will work fine when playing video)?

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Beirdo:

cleith: umm, WHY?

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J-e-f-f-A:

yudi1: it's not designed for hot plugging at all...

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Beirdo:

first off, why would you need to change volume in the program guide

[22:21:19]

Beirdo:

secondly, why would you want to use MORE CPU?

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yudi1:

beirdo, ofcource I will stop frontend but will it be alright

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Beirdo:

yudi1: it's the backend that matters

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cleith:

Beirdo: happy to use VDPAU but after some libXcomposite update (I think) I am getting all sorts of ugliness on fast motion... like blurring around the edges of people... hard to describe

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J-e-f-f-A:

yudi1: I don't think you understand myth's design then... You should run the backend on a 'server'... without hot-plugging things.

[22:23:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

cleith: are you sure that's vdpau, and not the source?

[22:23:43]

cleith:

And since there is still a preview of the video in the program guide, I think it still makes sense to be able to change the volume, no?

[22:23:58]

Beirdo:

ah, I guess

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** Beirdo burps **

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Beirdo:

yummy cream soda

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cleith:

Actually the volume still changes fine, but the OSD does not appear

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yudi1:

jeffa- I understand, just trying to get the best outcome, I am used to vista MC, it had no issues hotpugging. but now I completely moved to linux and would love to have the same feature.

[22:24:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Why would the OSD appear on the program guide screen?

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cleith:

Well VDPAU was working pretty well for me previously (same source) and then after this update it started behaving badly.

[22:25:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

Heck, half the time I'd like an option to turn off the OSD 100%...

[22:26:05]

Beirdo:

booo, Twilight movies...

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wagnerrp:

its nothing to do with linux, and everything to do with mythtv

[22:26:45]

cleith:

Oddly, with VDPAU the volume OSD did appear, but now it does not. Just wondered if anyone understood the logic.

[22:26:54]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not expect you to be adding and removing tuners on a whim

[22:27:10]

wagnerrp:

it expects to be running on dedicated hardware

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cleith:

Different OSD question...

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Beirdo:

my VDPAU-capable card is currently being held hostage in the mailroom of my apt building

[22:28:36]

Beirdo:

I'll get it from them tomorrow

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yudi1:

wagnerrp, so there is no workaround? even if I shut down the backend first

[22:28:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: call a locksmith. ;-)

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Beirdo:

I got enough other crap to do

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J-e-f-f-A:

j/k ;-)

[22:29:24]

cleith:

When playing videos (DVD ISO ripped to hard drive) the OSD is not as well defined or crisp – it's almost a bit blury. Anybody know why that might be? (using "Internal" video player)

[22:29:37]

wagnerrp:

what resolution is your TV?

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wagnerrp:

cleith: ^^^

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cleith:

It is native 1920x1080 and I am feeding it that via DVI to HDMI from a 9500GT

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J-e-f-f-A:

... Isn't the OSD drawn at a much lower res unless you're using vdpau?

[22:31:30]

wagnerrp:

there are limitations of the Xv painter, that the video must be rendered, converted, and composited into the raw video stream

[22:31:49]

wagnerrp:

the side effect is that you are playing low resolution content on a high resolution display

[22:31:57]

cleith:

OSD for live tv or recorded programs looks great though, why the difference?

[22:32:01]

wagnerrp:

it will be rendered at the low resolution, and then upscaled by the video card

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wagnerrp:

switch to the opengl painter

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wagnerrp:

s/painter/renderer/

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Beirdo:

mmmm, HDPVR :)

[22:32:47]

Beirdo:

not TOO much point getting it all hooked up until I have that card in my possession :)

[22:32:58]

cleith:

wagnerrp: can you point me to that setting in 0.23

[22:33:11]

wagnerrp:

playback profiles

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Heheheh... ;-) Unless you want to record something in HD tonight, which you can finally watch tomorrow.

[22:33:39]

cleith:

wagnerrp: Is that instead of Xv, or some complementary setting

[22:33:41]

Beirdo:

there is that

[22:33:47]

wagnerrp:

instead of Xv

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Beirdo:

but then I can't watch TV :)

[22:34:07]

wagnerrp:

opengl is the preferred renderer for anyone with the hardware to support it

[22:34:09]

cleith:

wagnerrp: OK, I'll have a look. Thanks.

[22:34:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: you could, it would just play for 1 second, then pause, then play, then pause, or the video would be all 'notchy'... ;-)

[22:34:47]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:34:59]

cleith:

In terms of settings... is there a "QT style" setting somewhere in 0.23?

[22:35:03]

Beirdo:

OR, I could hook the component OUT on the HDPVR to the TV

[22:35:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

There ya go.

[22:37:46]

Beirdo:

I think my current mythbox would have a cow if I tried to playback recordings from this :)

[22:38:16]

Beirdo:

does the HDPVR support include the IR blaster?

[22:39:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I think Jarod's got it working, but I'm not sure if he's got it stable as of yet – I haven't looked in a while...

[22:39:44]

Beirdo:

hmm

[22:39:53]

Beirdo:

and he's not here today :)

[22:42:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

you must have cheated and queried your bot locally... ;-)

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Beirdo:

nah. irssi tab completion

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee... setting up a new disk for FC13 – should I use the default LVM+ext4 configuration it wants to define???

[22:49:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Well Golly... ext4 seems to be faster than xfs... humm... at least according to what I'm finding so far... like 50% faster in some cases... humm...

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Beirdo:

heeh

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think I'll use 'traditional' partitions, and format them as ext4. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ya think there would be anything to gain by creating a seperate partion for my DB on the same disk as my OS? My backend has one drive (mirrored) for the OS and DB, and seperate drives for Myth 'data'... ;-)

[22:54:51]

Beirdo:

yes

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** J-e-f-f-A 's DB is > 500MB. **

[22:55:18]

Beirdo:

it will keep the DB from getting screwed by something else filling the filesystem

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ok, just wasn't sure if I'd gain anything unless it was on a physically seperate disk from the OS.

[22:55:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

^ Yeah, that's only happened once or twice in the past ??? (4? 5? – can't remember!), but it's cheap insurance!

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Beirdo:

happens to me more often than I care to tell

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cleith:

Anybody know if "QT style" is still a setting affecting themes in 0.23?

[22:58:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

cleith: IDK for sure, but probably not with the MythUI changes...

[22:58:51]

cleith:

J-e-f-f-A: IDK?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I Don't Know

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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cleith:

Ah

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cleith:

I like the Mythbuntu wide theme, but the widgets on settings screens look pretty flat. Any way to spice that up?

[23:00:41]

[R]:

spice?

[23:00:46]

[R]:

they are qt widgets

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[R]:

you go into the settings that much that it bothers you?

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imaginativeone_:

would someone help me with my hardware?

[23:01:38]

cleith:

[R]: latey as I am setting up myth I have been there a lot ;)

[23:01:51]

[R]:

and once you are done... then that's it

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cleith:

s/latey/lately

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[R]:

imaginativeone_: you have to tell us what your problem is first...

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imaginativeone_:

I don't have a problem, per se...I just don't know where to begin

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cleith:

yeah, just thought it might be a simple setting (QT widget theme) exposed somewhere

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imaginativeone_:

my pc is 2.8 MHz

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[R]:

cleith: they removed that and it uses the "windows" style always

[23:03:32]

imaginativeone_:

I have an nVidia GF FX5200/128MB PCI in my right hand

[23:03:36]

cleith:

[R]: ok, thanks

[23:03:44]

imaginativeone_:

what purpose does it serve?

[23:03:50]

[R]:

imaginativeone_: output graphics?

[23:03:58]

imaginativeone_:

thanks

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

2.8MHz/!

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imaginativeone_:

so, the Hauppauge 150 is for input?

[23:04:17]

Beirdo:

they never made em that slow

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[R]:

imaginativeone_: thats a tuner card

[23:04:27]

imaginativeone_:

2.8 GHz

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yes they did!!!

[23:04:37]

imaginativeone_:

sorry about that

[23:04:37]

Beirdo:

no they didn't :)

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imaginativeone_:

aaahhh...

[23:04:51]

Beirdo:

4.77MHz was the slowest PC IIRC :)

[23:04:54]

Beirdo:

anyways :)

[23:05:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: My Timex-Sinclari 1000 was only 1MHz iirc... ;-)

[23:05:05]

imaginativeone_:

the tuner card is for changing channels?

[23:05:15]

imaginativeone_:

what is IIRC?

[23:05:25]

Beirdo:

if I recall correctly

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imaginativeone_:

thanks

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Beirdo:

never mind, I'm being silly

[23:05:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

or 'remember'. ;)

[23:06:05]

[R]:

imaginativeone_: a tuner card is for capturing video and optionally tuning to a frequency

[23:06:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: That Hauppauge 150 is good for capture via S-Video/analog audio.

[23:06:25]

imaginativeone_:

thanks Jeffa

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Beirdo:

and not much more these days :)

[23:06:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Are you in the US?

[23:06:45]

imaginativeone_:

yes

[23:07:25]

imaginativeone_:

so, if I don't need to capture via S-Video, I won't be using the Hauppauge 150?

[23:07:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, then the analog tuner in the 150 is of no use unless you have Cable TV, and your cableco still broadcasts analog...

[23:08:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: It's a great card to capture S-Video out of a set-top-box.

[23:08:02]

imaginativeone_:

can it capture OTA HD?

[23:08:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Nope

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[R]:

you need an ATSC tuner for that

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imaginativeone_:

rats

[23:08:13]

Beirdo:

or unless you are going to capture standard definition TV output from a cable/satellite box

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imaginativeone_:

now I need to get an ATSC tuner...

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: What do you plan to record/play back with Myth? Just ATSC HD?

[23:10:20]

** Beirdo slaps Hauppauge **

[23:10:29]

Beirdo:

stupid blue LEDs. HATE EM!

[23:11:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Did you start your first recording on the HD-PVR?

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[R]:

Beirdo: electrical tape works wonders

[23:11:38]

[R]:

Beirdo: i heard you can open it up and disconnect the light too

[23:11:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Yeah, except that they blast some of them out of the vents on the hd-pvr...

[23:11:58]

[R]:

oh, are those vents? hehe

[23:12:01]

Beirdo:

not yet. looking to see what the wiki says...

[23:12:13]

cleith:

Thanks all. Later.

[23:12:13]

[R]:

the windows driver aparently has the ability to turn it off

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[R]:

i just shove it in a closet

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[R]:

solves all my problems

[23:12:36]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

blue LEDs should be made illegal

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[R]:

i've noticed an increase in them over the years

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[R]:

i'm too paranoid to open up my hdpvr... but i've seen pics with a connector for the light

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Beirdo:

the government protects us from ourselves with drugs... but not from retina-searing blue LEDs

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: perhaps for the ones on the top, but probably not for the ones on the front panel. (which aren't *that* bad...)

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Beirdo:

front panel blue LEDs are easy to fix

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Beirdo:

sharpie

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imaginativeone_:

Jeffa: what is "ATSC" HD?

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imaginativeone_:

to answer your question, I think so...yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: That's Over-the-air HD in the US.

[23:16:34]

imaginativeone_:

ah

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imaginativeone_:

then yes, I plan to record that

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imaginativeone_:

and watch dvds

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: It's MPEG2, so even with the older nvidia card you have, it should work fine.

[23:17:46]

[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: well front panel... thats what the electrical tape is for

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imaginativeone_:

ATSC HD is MPEG2?

[23:18:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: yep.

[23:18:07]

imaginativeone_:

thanks

[23:18:08]

[R]:

even ATSC SD is mpeg32

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[R]:

mpeg2*

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imaginativeone_:

so, once these cards are in, I just install?

[23:18:40]

[R]:

huh?

[23:19:00]

imaginativeone_:

the nVidia and the 150

[23:19:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: How familar are you with Linux?

[23:19:10]

imaginativeone_:

do I need any other hardware?

[23:19:16]

imaginativeone_:

not very

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[R]:

imaginativeone_: the mythtv documentation explains everything you need

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: You'll need an HD-capable tuner for HD.

[23:19:46]

imaginativeone_:

ugh

[23:20:10]

imaginativeone_:

I thought my 150 would be adequate for ATSC HD

[23:20:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Then I'd recommend one of the pre-built myth distributions, such as MythBuntu or MythDora or... LinHES (right?)

[23:20:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: No, we already told you that it is only SD – Standard Definition.

[23:20:55]

imaginativeone_:

aaahhh...

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[R]:

iamlindoro: the 150 only does NTSC

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imaginativeone_:

if the 150 will do anything, that is all I need

[23:21:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/ATSC

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imaginativeone_:

will it "convert" the OTA HD to SD?

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wagnerrp:

!seen iamlindoro

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MythLogBot:

iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 1 hour 10 minutes 54 seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Nope.

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Do you have Cable TV?

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[R]:

iamlindoro: like i've said 20 times... a hauppauge 150 will tune ntsc... thats it

[23:22:17]

imaginativeone_:

so I need a new tuner...

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[R]:

imaginativeone_*

[23:22:31]

imaginativeone_:

I cancelled FIOS TV yesterday

[23:22:34]

imaginativeone_:

so, no.

[23:22:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Why whould you do something crazy like that???

[23:22:54]

** J-e-f-f-A <3's FiOS TV... ;-) **

[23:23:10]

imaginativeone_:

it isn't worth $158.32 per month

[23:23:25]

imaginativeone_:

especially since I watch network tv

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Beirdo:

shuddup :)

[23:23:33]

** J-e-f-f-A is only paying $125/month for TV & 35/35 internet! **

[23:23:49]

imaginativeone_:

NOW you're talkin'

[23:23:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: sorry!

[23:24:01]

Beirdo:

yeah well :)

[23:24:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: FiOS bundle – Internet & Extreme HD.

[23:24:11]

imaginativeone_:

now I have Roku + Vonage

[23:24:27]

imaginativeone_:

+ FIOS internet

[23:24:44]

imaginativeone_:

Jeffa: that's what I requested...never got it

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Well, if you haven't already done so, head over to tvfool.com and see what you can get for over-the-air... (unless you already know that is...)

[23:25:07]

imaginativeone_:

actually, I don't care to have HD

[23:25:16]

imaginativeone_:

yup – did that

[23:25:29]

imaginativeone_:

a local guy will be installing within the next few days

[23:25:37]

imaginativeone_:

an antenna in my attic

[23:25:54]

imaginativeone_:

Washington, DC stations

[23:26:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: I was paying about $160/month for Dish Standard-definition + FiOS internet (15/2) – so switching to FiOS TV with a Bundle, even after adding HD, I'm saving money...

[23:26:29]

imaginativeone_:

wow...Dish is supposed to be the money-saver

[23:27:04]

imaginativeone_:

Amazon VOD is all I need for the new shows

[23:27:25]

imaginativeone_:

OTA for brain-dead viewing

[23:27:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Yeah, well, I could have kept them, but my monthly fees would have gone up by at least $20 a month to switch to HD...

[23:27:40]

imaginativeone_:

ouch

[23:27:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

And FiOS HD is STUNNING!!!!

[23:27:43]

imaginativeone_:

$180

[23:27:49]

imaginativeone_:

that's a car payment

[23:28:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: I wish my car payment was that low... :-(

[23:28:13]

imaginativeone_:

don't get me wrong, HD is nice

[23:28:50]

imaginativeone_:

I bought my sister's 2000 Dodge Caravan for $2000 cash

[23:29:10]

imaginativeone_:

that car runs like a dream

[23:29:19]

imaginativeone_:

electrical problems though...

[23:29:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dish HD is quite impressive too, but they would not offer me anything to compete with FiOS, and i'd been a "Valued" Dish customer for 10+ years...

[23:30:12]

imaginativeone_:

wow

[23:30:50]

imaginativeone_:

Dish is finding out about the value of paying customers

[23:30:56]

imaginativeone_:

the hard way

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: So I'm paying $124.99 for 6 months, then $134.99 for the next 18... still kicks butt, especially with the 35/35 internet... ;-)

[23:31:20]

imaginativeone_:

I know a few extremely dissatisfied former Dish customers

[23:31:43]

imaginativeone_:

Jeffa – yep that is not bad at all

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[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: did you have sync issues with the hdpvr on the dish receivers?

[23:32:14]

imaginativeone_:

they just couldn't fix my account to get me to the right number

[23:32:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: I'm on FiOS HD now – and don't have any.

[23:32:48]

imaginativeone_:

any recommendations for my new tuner card?

[23:32:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: I set my STB's to 1080i for HD content and 480i for SD content, and I believe I forced them to PCM format audio too...

[23:33:02]

[R]:

booo @ pcm

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imaginativeone_:

as you can probably tell, I like it cheap

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: I haven't noticed any sync issues at all though...

[23:33:31]

[R]:

imaginativeone_: both the mythtv wiki and the linuxtv wiki have cards that work... and then you tkae a trip to ebay

[23:33:43]

imaginativeone_:

thanks

[23:33:44]

** [R] hugs dolby **

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Humm... is pcm stereo only?

[23:34:04]

[R]:

i dunno, i always just use dolby

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J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: ... cause I am currently only using myth with 'sterio' speakers... I haven't setup my surround-sound system with Myth yet – Wife has been using that area for 'sorting' for a while and I haven't re-claimed it yet, nor created my 'man cave' home theater yet...

[23:36:00]

** J-e-f-f-A should get busy and do that!!!! **

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[R]:

i just got my sound perfect

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[R]:

sound out the hdmi, then optical from the tv to my receiver

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imaginativeone_:

are there any vendors who do all this for me?

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[R]:

when i first tried it out... it wasn't passing full 5.1... but now its working great

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[R]:

imaginativeone_: all "this"?

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Microsoft... Oh wait, you mean MythTV... nope.

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imaginativeone_:

:-)

[23:38:06]

imaginativeone_:

I can dream...

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J-e-f-f-A:

imaginativeone_: Just buy yourself an ATSC tuner (see the wiki page I linked to ~45 mins ago)...

[23:39:31]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... I forgot about that shortcut. ;-) Beirdo is smart. ;-)

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imaginativeone_:

HVR-2250

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imaginativeone_:

will that work?

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oobe:

awesome

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[R]:

iamlindoro: what does the wiki say about it?

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[23:45:00]

oobe:

new triggers

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oobe:

!help

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oobe:

!list

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wagnerrp:

!salmon oobe

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** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of oobe on behalf of wagnerrp... **

[23:45:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... didn't know about 'salmon' ... ;-)

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oobe:

!salmon some other fish with comical results

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** MythLogBot connects with the head of some with a other fish with comical results salmon on behalf of oobe... **

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Beirdo:

naps rule

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wagnerrp:

mariners drool

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imaginativeone_:

"naps"?

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Beirdo:

umm, Mariners kicked the butts of the Reds well )

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imaginativeone_:

baseball?

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