Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, June 29th, 2010, 00:01 AST

[00:01:18]

Beirdo:

OMG, why won't sound work?

[00:01:31]

Beirdo:

time for a reboot, I think I messed something up :)

[00:12:29]

dmz:

howdy y'all, quick question..i have an old tuner that is no longer part of my myth setup but it is still listed as an inactive tuner; how can i remove it the box is no longer there so i can't use mythtv-setup

[00:13:09]

wagnerrp:

either ignore it, or use 'delete all entries' or whatever its called

[00:13:20]

wagnerrp:

with the latter, youll have to add back your cards

[00:13:32]

wagnerrp:

note that all your channels will be stored with your sources that will be unaffected

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt take you more than a couple minutes to add your cards back

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Beirdo:

arggh

[00:17:11]

Beirdo:

can someone PLEASE tell me what "Audio output device" should be?

[00:17:25]

Beirdo:

ALSA is now working elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

ALSA:default?

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Captain_Murdoch:

nice... I'm hacking up a version of iamlindoro's libmythui theme chooser and have it downloading a list of 'downloadable' themes from a website, downloading the themeinfo.xml file for each listed theme, downloading the preview image for each theme,and then if you choose one, it downloads a zip file and uses some Qt code I found to extract the new theme into ~/.mythtv/themes/ so it's available for use.

[00:19:26]

Beirdo:

nope, not workin

[00:20:28]

Beirdo:

can not find card 0

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Beirdo:

but mplayer liked it jsut fine

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Beirdo:

hahaha

[00:22:48]

Beirdo:

perms.

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Beirdo:

forgot to add me to audio group

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** wagnerrp slaps Beirdo around a bit **

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Beirdo:

that's just shameful

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Beirdo:

it let me... ON the console only

[00:25:17]

Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

muuuuuuch better

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Beirdo:

I feel sheepish

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Beirdo:

I even remember thinking about that earlier

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

playback is looking OK now

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Beirdo:

for now :)

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Beirdo:

OK, playback of 720p looks fine.

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Beirdo:

let's capture a 1080i

[00:36:02]

Hal-Emmerich:

Alrighty

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Hal-Emmerich:

on the last step

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Beirdo:

way to go, udev

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Beirdo:

it put the hdpvr as /dev/video0 this time

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Beirdo:

I HATE you

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Beirdo:

there we go

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Beirdo:

now no changing again!

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wagnerrp:

heh... apparently ohloh thinks some of my code is in the language 'IDL/PV-WAVE/GDL'

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dmz:

heh i just found an irc log from 2009–11 where i resolved an issue i'm having now..(ie google found 'my' chat in response to my searching to solve a problem i solved before)

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dmz:

damn short term memory

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Beirdo:

udev to the rescue

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Beirdo:

OK... 1080i looks fine

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wagnerrp:

i cant find the commit that ohloh thinks is IDL

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Beirdo:

after I made the stupid cards symlink to /dev/video-hdpvr0, video-ivtv0, video-ivtv1

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

thou shalt NOT reorder my capture devices!

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wagnerrp:

although apparently no one uses IDL

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, it gets confused at times

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wagnerrp:

as with our 300 mis-recognized lines, we have four developers in the top 25 users

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Beirdo:

wow

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

I'll have to catch up

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Beirdo:

I think the IR transmitting can wait a little longer :)

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Beirdo:

let's work on a weather map script

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

39% idle... with 1080i H.264 playback...

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Beirdo:

and a commflag

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wagnerrp:

what processor/bitrate?

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Beirdo:

I think this will do just fine :)

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Beirdo:

Pentium D 2.8GHz

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Beirdo:

dual core...

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Beirdo:

and... default bitrate

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Beirdo:

so not sure ;)

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wagnerrp:

must be running the commflagger at the lowest priority, where it puts sleeps in

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Beirdo:

I didn't teeak it

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Beirdo:

106% CPU on the mythcommflag

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Beirdo:

7% for the frontend

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

my shoulder hurts

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Beirdo:

my arms, legs and brain hurt ;)

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wagnerrp:

its like ive got a nerve pinched in the joint

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Beirdo:

oooh, sucky

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Beirdo:

mine's just from general aching from overuse moving stuff on the weekend

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Beirdo:

and the brain... well... too much thinking

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i havent done crap all day, theres no reason for it to just suddenly start hurting in the past hour

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Beirdo:

that's suboptimal

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Beirdo:

so even with all the whining the backend is doing about my H.264 video having decoding erros, the video card/vdpau is happy with it

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wagnerrp:

!seen gnome42

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MythLogBot:

gnome42 was last seen 52 days 12 hours 51 minutes 58 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

!seen kde42

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MythLogBot:

kde42 has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

sorry, couldn't resist

[01:34:28]

Beirdo:

ell 4$ shell gjhurlbu@firewall 192... U Ubuntu 10.04 22! 2d14h 0.16

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wagnerrp:

eew

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Beirdo:

que?

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wagnerrp:

weird random text

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Beirdo:

I think I bumped the right mouse button

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Beirdo:

that's part of the byobu status line

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Beirdo:

on my ssh connection

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Beirdo:

byobu = screen + extras (used to be screen-profiles)

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wagnerrp:

im taking my hurting shoulder and going to bed

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Beirdo:

night

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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Beirdo:

stupid mythweather expects a series of images for "animated maps"

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Beirdo:

wunderground gives an animated GIF

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Beirdo:

fugh

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Beirdo:

so for the exact second... you will be getting static maps only

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

while I figure out the best way to tackle that

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Beirdo:

anyone who follows checkins... there are new static weather maps available (US only)

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justinh:

you dare give mythtv's ui animated GIF support! ;-)

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justinh:

actually nah to heck with that – it'll be a good laugh to see people theming with animated GIFs

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, I don't know what to do about them

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justinh:

you could split em with imagemagick ;)

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Beirdo:

I think I can get tricky and just pull down timestamped ones that make the animation

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Beirdo:

I really really really don't want to add imagemagick as a requirement :)

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

until such a point as it becomes absolutely necessary

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justinh:

wasn't the old weather.com one animated GIF which was processed by myth?

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Beirdo:

for image layering or something

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

they sucked down individual frames

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Beirdo:

myth did the animation as best I can tell

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justinh:

nah I know myth did the animation but I thought it might've split an animated gif already

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Beirdo:

it looks like they repeatedly download images

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Beirdo:

which I may just do...

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justinh:

ow

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Beirdo:

like they grab the 6 previous frames or something

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justinh:

at least myth has an animated image class this time around

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that should keep the whining at bay at least

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justinh:

duct tape

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

camcorder came. it's tiny

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KaZeR:

i'm fighting with mythweb on a fresh install. it tries to load a template named 'tmpl', which doesn't exists : modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php

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KaZeR:

anybody ever faced that issue?

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oobe:

mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/iPod/header.php exists on my system which make's me assume it is looking for ../ directory so the links are broken or the mythweb default them is broken

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oobe:

but modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php does not exist

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oobe:

can you load this page http://localhost/mythweb/settings/mythweb

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zoran119:

hi everyone

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zoran119:

mythweb install problems here

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zoran119:

it seems that my <Directory "/var/www/htdocs/mythweb"> does not match

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zoran119:

which causes the setenv statements to fail

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zoran119:

causing the whole thing to colapse

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zoran119:

i have pulled out the setenv statements outside of <Directory> tag (debuging purposes)

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zoran119:

and it worked

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zoran119:

so the only thing i can conclude is that the path inside <Directory> does not match...

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zoran119:

any idea what i'm doing wrong?

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jamiem:

hello :)

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jamiem:

does anyone happen to use scrape for UK listings? I need May/June after I did something very stupid :/

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rileyp:

anyone using nvidia 256 drivers with myth and are their any benifits

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rileyp:

some 3d tv is being broadcast in au lately on a 3d test channel

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ahughes:

hey guys... are there any recommended laptops for myth (austrailan DTV)

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rileyp:

you want one with a nvidia ion video driver

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rileyp:

or nvidia >9200 or bettre

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rileyp:

i think

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rileyp:

not sure3 if nvidia ion laptops are out there

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rileyp:

for example a asrock ion (not a laptop but can do 1080p

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ahughes:

it's the tuner card I am more worried about.

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Hal-Emmerich:

well. I -thought- I had everything working

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Hal-Emmerich:

lol

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rileyp:

best usb tuner is the asus my cinema 3100 for au

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ahughes:

There's a few hdmi+nvidia to work with... but tuner cards makes things a problem.. unless I go USB.

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Hal-Emmerich:

Now my Remote Wonder II isn't controlling video

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rileyp:

ahughes, everyone uses asus a 3100 for mythtv in skippyland

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ahughes:

rileyp, that's seriously cheap!

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rileyp:

they are more sensistive than the cheaper ones

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rileyp:

no I use leadtek gold tuners

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ahughes:

I was looking at hauppage, which are x3 to x4 the price

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rileyp:

$33 dollars each I have 3

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wagnerrp:

rileyp: you want one with some-recent nvidia graphics

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wagnerrp:

you do /not/ want one with an ION, as that implies that you also get an Intel Atom with it

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wagnerrp:

ahughes: ^^^^, an ION only refers to the combination of an Atom with a 9400M

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rileyp:

Im good wagnerrp I have asrock ion and I was suggesting a laptop with ion or nvidia >9200 graphics

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rileyp:

which would be 9400?

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ahughes:

wagnerrp, I won't go anywhere near atom!

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wagnerrp:

erm... got you and ahughes mixed up

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rileyp:

I know hes talking about tuner cards....

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rileyp:

but he asked about laptops

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ahughes:

rileyp, so you are au?

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wagnerrp:

no, he asked for a laptop, and you recommended an ION

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rileyp:

geelong

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wagnerrp:

im saying he /doesnt/ want an ION

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ahughes:

kewl, rileyp ... adelaide here.

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rileyp:

yes I know you think not powerfull enough

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ahughes:

no balls!

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rileyp:

to run FE and BE

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wagnerrp:

no, not powerful enough for something i would want to use as a personal laptop

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ahughes:

I wanna encode e.t.c.

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rileyp:

but I have a single core atom BE with 4 tuners! and I made 8 recordings tonight at once!

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rileyp:

and they played fine!

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ahughes:

anyway... so the 3100 is dual tuner or single?

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rileyp:

on my asrock FE

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wagnerrp:

rileyp: sure, but waiting on those scheduler runs sucks hard

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rileyp:

its a single tuner

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ahughes:

I can live with that... does it change channel fast rileyp ?

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rileyp:

wagnerp i let it run 24/7 it transcodes in the we hours of the mrning whilst nothing is being recrdded

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rileyp:

no tuners change fast in myth

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ahughes:

bugger. thats what I like most about playtv

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rileyp:

thats the way it is.

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rileyp:

the idea is to record every show you want then watchthem at your leisure

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ahughes:

msy have em for $59.

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ahughes:

rileyp, that's a good concept.

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rileyp:

yes another popular tuner is the dntv tinytwin which is a dual tuner but!

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ahughes:

honestly, I just want something that will work out of the box with myth... I aint got time for stuffin round

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rileyp:

I think some peeps had probs with a tuner going missing or something

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rileyp:

ahughes thats it asus a3100!

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ahughes:

best damn advice I have had yet, thanks rileyp

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ahughes:

I guess the wake function has nothing todo with usb either? that's a myth+bios thing right?

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rileyp:

the leadtek gold tuners i use are $33 each but I have seperate antenna for myth on my shed

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rileyp:

these tuners will not dissapear on you afetre a wake and wakes are good with linux as its from bios!

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rileyp:

the only thing wake has to to do with usb is setting up your remote to wake up your frontend

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rileyp:

ahughes, http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/MythTV_Hardware

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ahughes:

"these tuners" which ones, all?

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rileyp:

shows about the asus tuner

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rileyp:

these are the asus ones sorry

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ahughes:

thanks heaps!

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rileyp:

np

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rileyp:

i just installed nvidia 256 glx and now I have no tv playback after a reboot

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PeaceKeeper:

Can I check (via firewire) that my Cable Box is on?

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PeaceKeeper:

Stupid thing turns off about one a week and I miss recordings on my HD-PVR :(

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keith4:

PeaceKeeper: plugreport should be able to tell you, no? or maybe the firewire primer script?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jarod's hiding... ;-)

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PeaceKeeper:

keith4: Humm I am not sure. I will look into that

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: I dunno, but I had an instance last week where my two QIP7100 boxes were completely non-responsive – I had to un-plug the power to reset them... Maybe I could have known sooner with a monitoring script running 'plugreport'??? i dunno... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

PeaceKeeper: They were both on, and 'locked' on a channel, but would not respond to the remote or the front panel buttons at all....

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Hal-Emmerich:

Got it. After all that work

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Hal-Emmerich:

the thing finally works

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Hal-Emmerich:

lol

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PeaceKeeper:

I found a little program called mythprime but I am not sure how to use it yet.

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PeaceKeeper:

It is by majoridiot (his nic not my observation)

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PeaceKeeper:

I found sa3250cmd on google code that seems to work. i will confirm later (works on more that just a sa3250 too)

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Beirdo:

yay for creating a new bug... for myself.

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keith4:

PeaceKeeper: there's a firewire section in the wiki. just google "mythtv firewire primer"

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PeaceKeeper:

keith4: Ok, thank you :D

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gizmobay:

How can you tell if a patch has made it into mythtv?

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Beirdo:

gizmobay: use the source, Luke!

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wagnerrp:

turn off the computer, feel the code

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Beirdo:

OK, that just sounds perverted

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yay! #8623

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Beirdo:

I bugged myself.

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jams:

gbee..drove past a place named biggbee pizza. Are you creating a fallback plan for your retirement?

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Beirdo:

mmmm, pizza

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jams:

hmm he must be busy working in the back of the shop

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gizmobay:

I'm looking at the source but I'm not seeing the patch in either trunk or fixes.

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gizmobay:

I guess not all patches make it into mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

did the patch get a ticket?

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gizmobay:

yes, #8267

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wagnerrp:

is the ticket closed as fixed?

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Beirdo:

yes

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gizmobay:

yes, 32 hours ago.

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wagnerrp:

the the patch is likely in mythtv

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Beirdo:

35 hours ago by jya... "Fixed since merge of hd-audio branch"

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Beirdo:

so maybe the issue is gone due to other code changes?

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gizmobay:

ahh, I see

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wagnerrp:

or the code it was supposed to fix has changed sufficiently to render the ticket irrelevant to mythtv

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what I was thinking

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Beirdo:

although, if it's still a problem on 0.23-fixes, maybe that was premature to close?

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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gizmobay:

I noticed the issue a long time ago. Thought it was just my setup and not a bug.

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gizmobay:

Converting the vids to a different sample rate fixed my issue so I don't have any other vids to test

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wagnerrp:

well resampling things is never ideal

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gizmobay:

yeah it was the only way to fix it. I think it was 42000 that didn't work so I resampled to 48K

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wagnerrp:

interesting, the FCC is going forward with its home network IPTV stuff

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wagnerrp:

time to start the email flood to lobby for a conditional access system rather than DRM?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: good luck with that.

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont understand the argument for DRM

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand how it could ever be construed as good for the public

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Beirdo:

you think they care about the public?

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Beirdo:

they care about the pork barrel.

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wagnerrp:

no, but i think the law makers are supposed to

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Beirdo:

they care about the payoffs that they deem to not be bribes.

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wagnerrp:

from the actions of the fcc, they dont seem to be getting any of those funds

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wagnerrp:

i /really/ dont understand how cablelabs has been able to skate past the FTC and antitrust proceedings

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wagnerrp:

same with macrovision

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wagnerrp:

i mean the moment any of that stuff became federally mandated, it should have been seized under eminent domain

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wagnerrp:

as it stands, those companies have a federally mandated monopoly

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wagnerrp:

how does that work?

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caelor:

I've been trying to diagnose an issue I've been having with 0.23-fixes (ubuntu lucid, avenard repos). I have a master backend with a dual tuner DVB-T card, and mysql server, and a slave backend (wake on demand) with a DVB-S tuner. It idles, and even records some things without any issues, but about 2 or 3 times a day, the mysql server reports connection aborted (error reading communication packets). The backend (with -v database) repor

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caelor:

lost connection to mysql server during query (preparing an insert into recordedseek), and then keeps reporting Mysql Server Went Away. At that point, ny mythweb request that involves the tuners (e.g. status, upcoming recorders, etc) hangs, and I need to restart myth on both the backends in order to get a usable system. I'm at a loss as to how to diagnose further, and whether it's a mysql thread crash (and how to get more logging into t

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caelor:

or a myth issue, or a combination of both. The need to restart bugs 8606 and 8585 "feel" like they might be related. Does anyone have any pointers or suggestions for me?

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wagnerrp:

i think were missing a bit of the question there

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wagnerrp:

please break your messages into smaller chunks

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wagnerrp:

so IRC doesnt do it for you, and truncate large sections of text in the process

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caelor:

no problem. 1 moment.

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caelor:

've been trying to diagnose an issue I've been having with 0.23-fixes (ubuntu lucid, avenard repos). I have a master backend with a dual tuner DVB-T card, and mysql server, and a slave backend (wake on demand) with a DVB-S tuner.

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caelor:

It idles, and even records some things without any issues, but about 2 or 3 times a day, the mysql server reports connection aborted (error reading communication packets). The backend (with -v database) reports lost connection to mysql server during query (preparing an insert into recordedseek), and then keeps reporting Mysql Server Went Away.

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caelor:

At that point, any mythweb request that involves the tuners (e.g. status, upcoming recorders, etc) hangs, and I need to restart myth on both the backends in order to get a usable system. I'm at a loss as to how to diagnose further, and whether it's a mysql thread crash (and how to get more logging into that), or a myth issue, or a combination of both

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caelor:

The need to restart bugs 8606 and 8585 "feel" like they might be related. Does anyone have any pointers or suggestions for me?

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caelor:

(hopefully better)

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wagnerrp:

8585 is not related, 8606 may be

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caelor:

ok. My guess on 8585 was based on the recordedseek insert containing a date, so was something of a shot in the dark.

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caelor:

I thought 8606 might explain the mythweb "hang", but not the mysql connection failure itself.

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wagnerrp:

8606 is a deadlock in the mythtv code caused by the mysql connection dropping

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caelor:

I'm guessing the recording thread tries to reuse the same mysql connection (which went away), rather than attempting to reopen. It would seem that if the slave is left, it completes the recording, but the overall system remains in the deadlocked state, presumably because of 8606

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wagnerrp:

you may be suffering some different, but related ill effect also by the connection dropping

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caelor:

yes. Could you give me any pointers to diagnose the root cause of the connection drop?

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wagnerrp:

no clue, i dont deal with the code internals much

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sphery:

caelor: are you using MySQL 5.5?

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sphery:

oh, wait, wagnerrp said it's not related, so I guess not

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sphery:

(not important, that is)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, nothing to do with mysql time issues

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caelor:

mysqld Ver 5.1.41–3ubuntu12.3-log apparently

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sphery:

caelor: yeah, so #8585 is definitely not the issue

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caelor:

ok, that's one less thing to complicate things then!

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sphery:

caelor: OK, so mysql has timeouts... Some have reported that Qt-MySQL drivers don't properly reconnect after timeout on some distros (yours included).

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sphery:

caelor: So, can you edit /etc/my.cnf (or /etc/mysql/my.cnf or whatever) and modify wait_timeout and interactive_timeout . If you set them to very large values, and notice that MythTV runs for much longer, that's likely the issue. If you want quicker feedback, set them to small values. Both are set using seconds and both default (if not specified in my.cnf) to 8hrs (28800 seconds)

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caelor:

Yes, I'd seen reports of timeout issues. I'd set the following values to try and rule that out: conf.d/mythtv.cnf:connect_timeout = 2592000

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caelor:

conf.d/mythtv.cnf:wait_timeout = 2592000

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caelor:

conf.d/mythtv.cnf:net_read_timeout=120

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caelor:

conf.d/mythtv.cnf:interactive_timeout = 2592000

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wagnerrp:

thats a long timeout

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sphery:

and with those values it still happens

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sphery:

yeah, 720 days :)

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caelor:

I've not noticed any change in frequency with those

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sphery:

er, 720 hours

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wagnerrp:

s/days/houts/

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sphery:

30 days

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caelor:

yep ;) I was being extra-cautious!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you know how to change permissions of a file in the repository?

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sphery:

so if that's not the issue, then it may be the "drivers give the wrong error message and it's completely unrelated to losing the DB connection" issue

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sphery:

caelor: do you have logs around the time when a "lost connection" was first reported?

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caelor:

possibly. I had a nice working single backend system under jaunty, and rolled the system forward to lucid, reinstalled myth from scratch and added the slave backend all at the same time. Which with hindsight might have made it harder to track down!

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caelor:

@sphery: backend, or mysql?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: meaning the executable permission?

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sphery:

caelor: mythtv logs--so backend, I guess

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wagnerrp:

specifically to turn executable off

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caelor:

certainly. Any suggestions on a good place to post?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, you need to modify the svn:executable property on the file

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sphery:

svn propset svn:executable ON /path/to/file

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sphery:

then commit it

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sphery:

or OFF for off :)

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wagnerrp:

they both enable it

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wagnerrp:

the OFF, it does nothing

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sphery:

ah, yeah, to remove, it would be:

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sphery:

svn propdel svn:executable /path/to/file

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sphery:

ON or anything else turns the property on (so OFF turns it on :)

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wagnerrp:

ah, thanks

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sphery:

I learned something new, too--never had to remove exec from a file

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sphery:

so thank you :)

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caelor:

@sphery: how much of the log do you require, and where is the preferred place to post?

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sphery:

caelor: maybe 30 lines or so before and after the first error... please paste to http://mythtv.pastebin.com/

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caelor:

@sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/HWhAMsa5

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sphery:

caelor: I'll look in a minute--I got a phone call

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caelor:

no problem, real life comes first!

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brikp:

anyone up for a backend hardware question?

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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Beirdo:

BANG

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gizmobay:

You got me

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** wagnerrp collapses **

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brikp:

HDHomerun for tuner. mini-system for front end (ion and all that). ATSC HD. What would be a good hardware config for a backend? processor/ram?

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gizmobay:

Can you pause a custom record rule or only delete it?

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wagnerrp:

any decent AMD dual core would do

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wagnerrp:

or a bit pricier a Core2 or i5 dual core

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brikp:

i have a P4 2.66mhz, if I add ram and decent HD will that gove me any love?

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wagnerrp:

that wont even run linux

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brikp:

really? lol, why not?

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wagnerrp:

thats slower than my first computer back in the '80s

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wagnerrp:

now if you really mean a 2.66GHz P4, that will do fine as a backend, if a bit power hungry

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brikp:

lol, Ghz, YES

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wagnerrp:

you want at least 512MB of memory, 1GB or better would be preferred

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brikp:

it has 512 but can be upgraded to 3G RAM

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brikp:

2G i mean

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wagnerrp:

512 should be fine

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brikp:

really? that would be cool

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brikp:

how about disk? should I add a sata controller?

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brikp:

and fast disks?

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wagnerrp:

PATA is plenty fast

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wagnerrp:

but i wouldnt buy new PATA disks

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brikp:

its IDE now :(

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wagnerrp:

if you need more hard drive space, get a controller card

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wagnerrp:

IDE == PATA

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wagnerrp:

or better, just get a new backend

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brikp:

ahh, thanks, i thought i was techie but i guess not

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brikp:

a new backend, whole system?

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wagnerrp:

swapping out the guts for a decent dual core AMD would be $150-$200

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wagnerrp:

i did so for $160 last spring, but memory prices have gone up a bit since then

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brikp:

any built systems that would be good? I dont want to tinker tooooo much

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brikp:

and any comments on a "Zotac MAG HD-ND01" as a front end?

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johnnyj:

brikp: check if your local pc store has bare bones or open box returns

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brikp:

good idea, my P4 is an older bare bones

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sphery:

caelor: OK, that ("Lost connection to MySQL server during query") is not the error message that you get when the drivers get confused and give a bad error ("MySQL server has gone away"). So, since you got a real error saying there's a connection problem before you got the "MySQL server has gone away" errors, I'm guessing that the "MySQL server has gone away" errors are real.

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sphery:

caelor: and from that error, "Lost connection to MySQL server during query," I'd guess it's most likely a network issue.

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sphery:

is this wifi or something?

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brikp:

so I guess, given that i'm doing HDHomerun and a separate front end the backend doesnt need to be high end? If i'm going to put money into it is it best to go for RAM or Processor?

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caelor:

nope, wired. And according to ifconfig, there's been no networking issues (errors, framing, etc) on either box

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

I'm definitely out of ideas--but when you figure it out, I'd be very interested to know what it is.

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caelor:

:) I'll be sure to let you know. Unfortunately, at the moment, it's kind of a show stopper for me. I'm almost considering setting up a replicated mysql server on the slave... but I suspect that may be a whole new can of worms

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wagnerrp:

brikp: if you buy a new processor, youll need new memory

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wagnerrp:

and any processor you buy for it (excluding Atom and Via garbage) will be plenty for just about anything you may want to do with it

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johnnyj:

any multi core proc excluding atom, I would say

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johnnyj:

i don't know about via either

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sphery:

caelor: ok, another question--can you pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'show variables like "%timeout%";'

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caelor:

sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/0tFzMMiP

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brikp:

okay, so consensus is to upgrade mobo, processor and RAM or get a new box altogether for backend (versus adding RAM, sata controller and disks to my P4 2.66ghz)?

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wagnerrp:

ive just never much liked P4s

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sphery:

caelor: on your master backend is the database on the same file system as you're using for recordings?

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caelor:

no, different physical drives (sda1 (os drive) for db, sdb1 for recordings)

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brikp:

any thoughts on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173001 (Zotac MAG HD-ND01 NVIDIA ION) for a frontend?\

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caelor:

slave backend mounts recording directory over nfs, to the same mountpoint on the slave

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

I'm not sure, then

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caelor:

sphery: I think I'll have to try re-wiring the infrastructure then, in case it's switches or cabling. Interesting that the stack isn't reporting problems though

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sphery:

yeah, it may not be that, but I don't see any mysql bugs that would cause that in current mysql

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sphery:

and don't know of any specific issues with mythtv mysql usage that might cause it

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caelor:

neither. But I've spent several days on this and drawn a blank from googling and hunting through bug databases, so I thought I'd finally ask for help!

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sphery:

heh, well we appreciate your researching, first, and I only wish I could have been more help

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sphery:

wagnerrp: we need iamlindoro around to reply to Ed W's post.

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sphery:

you wouldn't happen to know what his plans are for that, would you?

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wagnerrp:

not off hand

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caelor:

sphery: it's ok, thanks for your time and the insights you could bring. I'll try and find a long cat5 cable, and run it into the same switch as the MBE. Once I fix it, I'll let you know what I trace it to.

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wagnerrp:

i think its all waiting for the videofile stuff

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sphery:

hmmm... I think he had mentioned it before

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sphery:

I just don't know what his current plans are

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sphery:

and, yeah, that makes sense

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sphery:

I'll send a "teaser" response for him

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gizmobay:

Can you pause a custom record rule or only delete it?

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johnnyj:

sphery: that multi-bookmark ui feature sounds shinyh

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johnnyj:

s/yh/y

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sphery:

heh, yeah--I just have to get around to doing it

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sphery:

oh, and I will need some help with the UI, so if you're still itching for a project at that time... ;)

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johnnyj:

it was the UI code and the popup dialogs that sparked my interest in contributing – so definately

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

as that's the part I'm clueless about (not to mention the whole UI design stuff)

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johnnyj:

not that I'm formally learning C++ I really appreciate what QT gives us

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johnnyj:

s/not/now

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justinh:

ROFLMAO. We now have a dog-shaped hole in the voile at the patio doors. Door is open thought the doggy, so let me just go right through there. Whoops

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wagnerrp:

voile? that like a screen door?

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Beirdo:

it's open now

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justinh:

voile is like a net curtain

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caelor:

sphery: ok, so a little bit of routing of a new cable, and the SBE is now plugged into the same switch as the MBE. Doing a test recording now. Hopefully it resolves the issue. Will post back in about 24 hours with results, either way. Thanks for your help earlier.

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sphery:

caelor: good luck--hope it works

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caelor:

(and wagnerrp, thanks for your help too)

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caelor:

sphery: thanks. Me too, it's been really bugging me!

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: do you know the MythVideo image selection order off hand?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Can you be more specific? Are you referring to the trunk only image picker?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, trying to get this metadata importer to function as closely to mythvideo as possible

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: What you get returned from both ttvdb.py and tmdb.py is multiple images per type but always in highest to lowest rated by their respective community.

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wagnerrp:

so just pull the first of each type then?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: and you will get the highest rated. ttvdb is slightly trickier as you will get season specific poster and banner if you called ttvdb with a season specified.

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wagnerrp:

i thought there was something special in there to get the proper season for coverart, and ... yeah that

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RDV_Linux:

the only trick is adding the desired season number

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wagnerrp:

when searching for a specific episode, dont you always have to set the season number?

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RDV_Linux:

If season specific images do not exist then the image will fall back to the series highest rated.

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RDV_Linux:

both a season AND episode number

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wagnerrp:

right, but im just saying, wouldnt it always get the proper season then?

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RDV_Linux:

specials have a season number of 0 (zero)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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willebanks:

good day all

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willebanks:

does anyone know if it is possible to record tv shows by connecting a computer to the video out cable of a vip1200 uverse box

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wagnerrp:

sure

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

note that only the last option, that 'analog capture' pertains to you

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

record all episodes on this channel of Deadliest Catch...

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Beirdo:

bad idea

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Beirdo:

this weekend is a marathon again

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Beirdo:

Saturday from 6am to 7pm solid, it would be recording

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Beirdo:

then Sunday 8am-4pm

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rileyp:

I installed nvidia 256 drivers last night now I have no tv playback in myth (seems to be a problem with vidpua) as playback works if I choose slim rather than vidpau normal as the playback method

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rileyp:

the driver seems to of installed ok In using karmic I added the vidpau lauchpad ppa and keyring and everything went smooth I have done a reboot and still no vidpau in myth!

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sphery:

Heh, Farmville is the reason for the Firefox 3.6.6.

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sphery:

I'll be skipping that upgrade.

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sphery:

rileyp: I can't help you (I don't use VDPAU), but at least from the *buntu side, you might find someone helpful in #mythbuntu. I thought I'd heard that the 256 drivers, when in alpha/beta were known to not work with Myth's VDPAU.

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sphery:

If that's the case, you'll need to either stick with Slim (not VDPAU Slim, but plain Slim) or downgrade drivers.

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sphery:

haven't heard anything about the 256 drivers since they were released, though

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sphery:

(but it's usually smart--on your MythTV box--to wait until you see it's all clear for the upgrade when a major nvidia driver version change occurs)

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zoran119:

hey i keep getting the following error

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zoran119:

2010-06–30 08:20:37.902 Coverart download finished: Tried to write myth://Coverart@192.168.1.8:6543/0322420_coverart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 178). 1

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zoran119:

anyone know what the reason might be?

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sphery:

bad grabber data

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sphery:

you'd need to see what the grabber is reporting as the coverart and then figure out why it's a redirect and why the redirect isn't followed

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sphery:

some of the grabber gurus might be able to help you, but any diagnosis you can do beforehand would be very welcome

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zoran119:

sphery: have to go to work... will check in when i get back...

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zoran119:

sphery: thanks

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rileyp:

sphery you are probably correct maybe Im getting excited.... I thought it was all good with 256 drivers obiviosuly not....

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rileyp:

Ill rol back to 195 cheers rileyp

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Zathras:

Hi. Dunno if this is a v4l or myth issue. But when I try to record with Myth I the attempt fails. In log: Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() faile

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rileyp:

sounds like a operrator issue

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rileyp:

I have to go to work...

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rileyp:

bye

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Zathras:

ivtv-tune (set stuff) followed by cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/t.mpg works fine

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simcop2387-lap:

anyone have any idea how well the PCI (not express) versions of the nvidia 8000/7000 series work for mythtv and vdpau? i'm curious if they'd have enough bandwidth for doing 1080i/720p very well or if i should go instead for one of the AGP 6000 series that can handle mpeg2 vdpau but not much else

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rileyp:

Zathras, you need to much more specific if you want help you cantjust jump on and saymy tuner wont work why

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Zathras:

rileyp, it is the first thing in the log. Don't have much more, I can tell it is a PVR350 PAL but don't know what other info is needed

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rileyp:

for vdpau support you need 9400> or greater I think

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wagnerrp:

no, anything 8-series

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wagnerrp:

(or better)

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Zathras:

ivtv seems to work as it does so manually from cli

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wagnerrp:

(except the original 8800 cards)

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rileyp:

wagnerrp, Really thats great to know thanks

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Zathras:

filerights seem to be ok too on /dev/video*

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sphery:

Zathras: sounds like you configured an ivtv card as a V4L card

[18:41:27]

Zathras:

I have 2 cards (1 ivtv and 1 4vl (bttv))

[18:42:20]

Zathras:

how can I check this? (it used to work with myth 0.21 (now on 0.23) but I must confess I played with settings so I might have borked up somewhere up the road

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sphery:

in mythtv-setup, Capture Cards

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sphery:

make sure the ivtv one is set up as an MPEG encoder (might say something about PVR-x50, too... I don't remember the words)

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sphery:

also note that if you don't configure it not to do so, the video device nodes will tend to flip flop order on reboot

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simcop2387-lap:

wagnerrp: from what i read in the nvidia readmes the 6200s support it for mpeg1/2 only which would be fine for me (hdhomerun)

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sphery:

so you may have one card ivtv and one v4l, but when you rebooted, they switched order, and now they're wrong

[18:43:53]

sphery:

if so, you need to fix your system config

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sphery:

using either udev or the module's device node option

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simcop2387-lap:

wagnerrp: i'm just wondering if the PCI cards can handle the bandwidth for vdpau i honestly don't know this is for an older system that doesn't have PCIe

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sphery:

simcop2387-lap: 6200 suppors XvMC--which is garbage

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Zathras:

according to mythtv-setup: [mpeg: /dev/video0 ] [ v4l: /dev/video1]

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sphery:

simcop2387-lap: you need an 8x00 or better for VDPAU (which is useful)

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Zathras:

this is correct afaik

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sphery:

Zathras: and remember /dev/video* can change order...

[18:45:47]

Zathras:

yes. But with v4l you can list all TV cards and it too lists /dev/video0 to be the pvr

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simcop2387-lap:

yea i'm apparently remembering which ones support things wrong, guess that leaves me the PCI option only really

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Beirdo:

sphery: udev to the rescue for me :)

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Beirdo:

made it put in symlinks which I then use in mythtv for access

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simcop2387-lap:

either that or a much more expensive whole system upgrade

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Zathras:

ivtvctl --all |less

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Zathras:

dmesg | egrep -i '(ivtv|tveeprom|tuner)'

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Zathras:

euhm

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Zathras:

how does ivtv start counting? I see Tuner-1. Does it not start at 0 ?

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Zathras:

ah. bttv is tuner-2

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Zathras:

sees ok

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Zathras:

*seems

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Zathras:

now running some tests. This appears to be the issue/fix: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IVTV#I_upgraded_my . . . rd_anything.

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opij:

How difficult would it be to make some kind of setup with a core 2 duo 1.7 GHz w/ 2 GB RAM computer connected to a tv somehow (wireless or otherwise) and preconfigure a list of free streams on the internet that I could then flip through with a remote control with the receiver either connected to my computer or connected to the TV?

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zoran119:

how do i get the frontend to use imdbpy.py instead of tmdb.pl for metadata search?

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kormoc:

zoran119, as imdb scripts break the imdb terms of service, you won't get support for them in here

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zoran119:

kormoc: oh... wasn't aware... don't need the script then

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zoran119:

kormoc: thanks

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/352556

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the answer now is.... I intend to be working on that soon.

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Beirdo:

only almost 2 years after it was hinted at

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wagnerrp:

its a shame that after all this time, were still suffering clock issues during DST changes

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wagnerrp:

i say we should drop everything were working on and fix that

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wagnerrp:

god forbid someone lose something they were trying to record at 3AM

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wagnerrp:

everyone knows thats when all the good shows are on

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wagnerrp:

like shopping, and poker reruns

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icebalm:

mmmmm poker

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: technically, you could download their several hundred MB text database, and scrape it locally on your own system

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wagnerrp:

that is still allowed... :)

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Beirdo:

Ouch!

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icebalm:

sounds efficient

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I already suggested a solution for that :)

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Beirdo:

but anyways, it would be a significant change :)

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wagnerrp:

opij: you mean... mythnetvision?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: was somewhat strict rules for the data too iirc

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: nah, you can do whatever you want with the data for personal use

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opij:

wagnerrp: well, i don't know. i'm not sure what that is, though i would google it if you think it's a possible solution

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icebalm:

so I'm planning a new mythtv box, and was about to pull the trigger on a hauppauge hvr-2250 until I saw, in big bold letters "digital recording only", can anyone suggest a PCI-e tuner which works for HD digital and NTSC analog?

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wagnerrp:

opij: http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision

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Beirdo:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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icebalm:

yay, bot replies :D

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opij:

thank you wagnerrp. They describe it as beta but it sounds very alpha to me.

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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wagnerrp:

icebalm: there is no PCIe tuner that supports analog and digital, in north america, and is worth using

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icebalm:

wagnerrp: that makes me sad

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Beirdo:

mythtv is... fairly alpha/beta, really

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opij:

ok

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opij:

is there a better solution

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Beirdo:

and it is ever-changing too

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1600 is the only such card worth using, and it is PCI

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Beirdo:

why would you need a better solution?

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opij:

all i want is to be able to flip through online streams like they're channels

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wagnerrp:

icebalm: everything else that 'supports analog' is just going to have a garbage framegrabber

[20:03:46]

wagnerrp:

the digital side would probably be perfectly fine, but you dont want to record off framegrabbers

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so integrating imdbpy and ftping the data would be good?. :P

[20:04:18]

wagnerrp:

the HVR-1800/1850 would fit your bill perfectly, but there is a driver bug which prevents the analog mpeg encoder from working with mythtv

[20:04:42]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: sure, going to re-get that big file every time you run the grabber?

[20:05:15]

wagnerrp:

i bet if we made that default behavior on mythtv, we could get them to change their terms of use pretty quickly

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: most of my movies are older than 3 months so no. :P

[20:05:51]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: but no artwork

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icebalm:

wagnerrp: yeah I was looking at that one and the 2250

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yeah, I guess eyecandy is the big attraction. :)

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wagnerrp:

icebalm: you have no PCI slots?

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icebalm:

wagnerrp: sadly no, the hardware I was going to use only has a 1x PCIe slot

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you dont want to use one of them for a backend

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wagnerrp:

specifically for its lack of expandability

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wagnerrp:

and depending on the processor, the lack of power

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icebalm:

core 2 duo 2.6ghz

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wagnerrp:

one of the Zotac mini-itx boards?

[20:08:10]

icebalm:

intel

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icebalm:

but yeah

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wagnerrp:

well if youre doing playback, you want something with nvidia graphics

[20:08:55]

wagnerrp:

that core2 should handle anything short of bluray content in software though

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icebalm:

gma 4500HD won't push it?

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wagnerrp:

not yet, talk to beirdo about that

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wagnerrp:

him and/or one of the other devs should be implementing VAAPI in the near term

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wagnerrp:

for now, VDPAU is the only game in town

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AndyCap:

icebalm: 720p does work on my dg45fc but I'm sure I could get better filtering or something with moar cpu or vdpau graphics.

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Beirdo:

VAAPI... yum. markk made patches, but I haven't had a chance to try it for my GMA500 yet

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Beirdo:

he's been working on it lately

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icebalm:

AndyCap: yeah that's the exact board I have and 720p was what I was aiming for

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AndyCap:

icebalm: E8500 @ 3.16GHz

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AndyCap:

icebalm: apart from vaapi not being there yet I love it. :P

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Beirdo:

Ewww, Quassel IRC is Qt based? :)

[20:13:26]

icebalm:

I have an E6300 2.8

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AndyCap:

heh, here I thought it was web-based

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Lexridge:

Hey guys, Am still having that strange mythfrontend startup problem. It is intermittant, but mostly I have to kill it, and restart and eventually it will start LiveTV.

[20:14:06]

icebalm:

AndyCap: are you just using it for the frontend or backend also?

[20:14:13]

AndyCap:

icebalm: frontend only

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Lexridge:

Here is the most verbose logs I can generate: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1892162

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Lexridge:

Someone has suggested a few weeks ago to change the rendering mode to opengl, but that did not make any difference.

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icebalm:

hrm, my situation requires both in one box

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Lexridge:

and it only started AFTER updating to 0.23

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AndyCap:

unfortunately they stopped selling my frontend case

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Lexridge:

Do my logs provide any clues?

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Lexridge:

Anyone? Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

jya: just repeating what others who actually know what changes would need to be made have said

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what did dst have to do with previews, anyway?

[20:35:06]

wagnerrp:

absolutely nothing

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sphery:

heh, ok, so it's not just me that thought so

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sphery:

seems jya isn't here, or I'd back you up

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else... there have been 18 times in the entire existence of mythtv that it even could have caused problems

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sphery:

heh, that's a stat that should be mentioned /far/ more often

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sphery:

wonder if that was the same Robert :)

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wagnerrp:

seems hes running xbmc as a frontend for mythtv... on his xbox

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and I *have* considered making that precise change, BTW

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Beirdo:

but there are so many better things to do

[20:41:24]

Beirdo:

like mythgallery :)

[20:41:34]

Beirdo:

and mythweather... vaapi... beer...

[20:42:40]

Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

Mariners are clobbering the Yankees :)

[20:43:05]

Beirdo:

and (unfortunately) I have both starting pitchers...

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sphery:

and if you're going to change it, you have to change it everywhere--and factor in the problems with relying on MySQL to do the in-DB conversion (as it won't work properly for all our users with all their "varying" configurations), so you'll have to pull every single date/time field out of the DB, and do the conversion yourself and then write it back to the DB

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, only strike i see against him in my ML logs is that he runs xbmc on his xbox, and actually enjoys it

[20:43:42]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, don't think I didn't realize that :)

[20:43:51]

sphery:

and you have to change MythWeb, which is using a combination of PHP code, Perl code (which does in-DB conversions), and utc internally and ...

[20:43:55]

Beirdo:

the end result is likely worth the pain...

[20:44:02]

Beirdo:

but OMG, what a pain

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sphery:

Beirdo: note, also, I said, "varying" (which is the nice way of saying "broken" :)

[20:44:05]

Beirdo:

it can wait

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sphery:

yeah, lots of pain, not a lot of benefit

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sphery:

something for version 2.0, IMHO

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Beirdo:

I dunno, it will be a lot faster in a fair number of places

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Beirdo:

no conversion to/from unixtime required unless you NEED it in text form

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sphery:

how fasters?

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sphery:

but that conversion can't be that difficult/time-consuming

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Beirdo:

each time it may not be, but we do it many many many times

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wagnerrp:

its the kind of thing i would love to use epoch time, just for simplicity

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Beirdo:

including inside mysql right now

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sphery:

granted, we do it a lot, but a lot of nanoseconds/milliseconds spread over hours of usage is still not a lot of real time

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wagnerrp:

but since the python bindings support going to and from ISO time strings, the existing use is good enough for me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: then we'll get the leap-second nay-sayers

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Beirdo:

and it will take less storage space too

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Beirdo:

screw leap seconds

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Beirdo:

like we care

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

oooh, your recording is off by a second or two... MEH!

[20:46:52]

Beirdo:

but yeah, the pain is significant

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sphery:

space wouldn't be affected, would it?

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Beirdo:

so for 1.0

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sphery:

looking at mysql's storage for datetime

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sphery:

8 bytes

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Beirdo:

yeah, how much space does it take to store a datetime in mysql... in qt... in perl... in python... vs a 32bit int?

[20:47:34]

sphery:

4bytes for timestamp

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Beirdo:

but it's a significant change

[20:48:03]

Beirdo:

and we have so many better things to waste our time on

[20:48:13]

sphery:

timestamp is 4-byte integer represending seconds since the epoch

[20:48:36]

Beirdo:

yes

[20:48:38]

Beirdo:

for now :)

[20:48:45]

sphery:

datetime is 4-byte int for date and 4-byte int for time

[20:48:48]

Beirdo:

it will become an 8-byte integer soon enough

[20:49:03]

wagnerrp:

jya: as per the current discussion, if nothing else, it would mean stripping out the special handling of timestamps throughout mythtv

[20:49:13]

sphery:

is the 2038 issue only with 31-bit ints or 32-bit?

[20:49:18]

wagnerrp:

for what amounts to a very negligible gain

[20:49:26]

sphery:

(i.e. it's only for signed ints, right?)

[20:49:26]

wagnerrp:

thats the 32-bit rollover

[20:49:28]

Beirdo:

32 bit, I think. not sure

[20:49:55]

wagnerrp:

people were excited a couple years back when it hit the 31-bit rollover

[20:50:02]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:50:16]

sphery:

at 31bits, you get 68 years, so it's actually a 31-bit rollover

[20:50:25]

Beirdo:

anyways, we should put the timestamp issue into the "hmmm, maybe some decade" pile

[20:50:29]

sphery:

and the problem is that many software progs use signed int

[20:50:43]

Beirdo:

just too many better things to worry about

[20:50:45]

sphery:

(probably also in the *nix spec as signed)

[20:50:51]

wagnerrp:

youre right, it is signed

[20:51:01]

wagnerrp:

i guess it was the 30-bit rollover

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Beirdo:

heh

[20:51:42]

** Beirdo makes moose antlers with his fingers... **

[20:51:45]

sphery:

jya: also, the conversion of data in the DB would be a challenge to do properly such that it works for all users (regardless of the DB-server-specified time zones--and the fact that many users have their DB servers set to use different time zones than their MythTV servers)

[20:51:53]

Beirdo:

he quitted

[20:51:56]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:51:56]

sphery:

would be easy to do for anyone with a proper setup

[20:51:59]

sphery:

oh, yeah

[20:52:16]

wagnerrp:

he left again

[20:52:31]

wagnerrp:

and beirdo already said that... horray for irc lag

[20:52:32]

sphery:

guess I don't need to say, "But our users like to remind us how important it is for us to let them run with broken setups." :)

[20:52:37]

Beirdo:

I so need beer

[20:52:53]

sphery:

irc lag is actually "sphery's slow reading" in this case :)

[20:53:00]

sphery:

oh, you meant for you... nvm

[20:53:03]

Beirdo:

the nice thing is... if we eventually DID use epoch time, we could not care about timezones as much

[20:53:11]

sphery:

right

[20:53:16]

Beirdo:

but... MEH

[20:53:23]

Beirdo:

oh crap

[20:53:30]

Beirdo:

my catcher is now on the DL?!

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sphery:

but it was a lot easier to write code to verify time zones than to convert to some TZ-agnostic time representation, so I choose the easier approach

[20:53:59]

wagnerrp:

right, if you were were to rework the whole thing, switching to UTC wouldnt get you much

[20:54:53]

sphery:

but then some user could start writing in, "On my master backend, all the times are correct, but when I look at the EPG on the remote frontend, the times are all off by an hour."

[20:55:19]

sphery:

and, "MythWeb shows the right times, but the frontend shows wrong times..." and ...

[20:55:37]

Beirdo:

oh, understood, sphery h

[20:55:42]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yes it would

[20:56:00]

Beirdo:

it standardizes the time to what's used by EVERYTHING in UNIX :)

[20:56:04]

sphery:

then we'll say, "Change your systems to all run in the same time zone," and they'll say, "But, I need to run this frontend in UTC, even though my backend has to run in US Eastern time"

[20:56:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont get that

[20:56:34]

Beirdo:

I do

[20:56:36]

wagnerrp:

why would you want your systems in something other than local time?

[20:56:48]

Beirdo:

it would usually be the other way around

[20:56:56]

Beirdo:

backend in UTC, frontend in local

[20:56:58]

sphery:

then we'll tell them, "Start the mythfrontend process in an environment that specifies: TZ="America/New_York"

[20:57:05]

wagnerrp:

why would you want your backend in anything other than local time?

[20:57:07]

Beirdo:

many many people use UTC for servers

[20:57:29]

Beirdo:

define "local"?

[20:57:35]

Beirdo:

:0

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sphery:

and they'll say, "But the frontend is actually in Washington state and the backend is in New York, so it /is/ using the right timezone."

[20:57:40]

wagnerrp:

the timezone the server exists in

[20:57:50]

Beirdo:

with servers in general...

[20:57:52]

sphery:

meaning--after converting--we'll get the exact same complaints we get now :)

[20:57:57]

Beirdo:

OK, for instance... I'm in PDT

[20:58:01]

Beirdo:

my linode is in EDT

[20:58:09]

Beirdo:

what's local time for that server?

[20:58:13]

sphery:

but 2x per year, people won't have to use start early/end late for recordings that span the DST changeover

[20:58:25]

Beirdo:

PDT is, as that's what the USER's local time is

[20:58:35]

sphery:

but your MythTV systems are all in your house, right?

[20:58:36]

sphery:

:)

[20:58:40]

Beirdo:

but yes

[20:58:41]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:58:43]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:59:02]

Beirdo:

but what if they want to... replicate their database offsite

[20:59:03]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:59:17]

** Beirdo is being a dillhole for the fun of it **

[20:59:18]

sphery:

is there really any reason for the offsite replication to understand the meaning of the times?

[20:59:31]

wagnerrp:

you want the times to make sense

[20:59:32]

sphery:

just like there was never a reason for MySQL to understand the meaning of the characters in our text fields

[20:59:37]

Beirdo:

likely not

[20:59:41]

wagnerrp:

or would you want to record your primetime shows at 5pm?

[20:59:45]

Beirdo:

just heads up though...

[20:59:57]

Beirdo:

the bot will likely switch to UTC at some point :)

[21:00:01]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:00:06]

wagnerrp:

aww...

[21:00:10]

Beirdo:

or to Pacific time

[21:00:13]

wagnerrp:

but its so nice to look at it in my local time

[21:00:13]

sphery:

still, having local times makes it a /lot/ easier to do things like mythcommflag -c 1351 -s '2010-06–29 20:00:00'

[21:00:14]

Beirdo:

or Eastern

[21:00:20]

Beirdo:

right now, it's in AST

[21:00:26]

Beirdo:

year round... Puerto Rico time

[21:00:49]

sphery:

and, yeah, we could convert anything coming in from command line, but basically, right now it's all in the same times...

[21:00:52]

Beirdo:

yes, but converting THAT time to a UNIX time is easy :)

[21:00:54]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:00:56]

sphery:

only problem is that some things convert to unix time

[21:01:10]

** Beirdo shrugs **

[21:01:13]

sphery:

some things = Qt at the low level and PHP, etc.

[21:01:15]

Beirdo:

it's all silly

[21:01:18]

sphery:

yeah

[21:01:35]

Beirdo:

"now + 2h"

[21:02:23]

Beirdo:

commflagging of 1080i going at 18fps, BTW

[21:02:38]

Beirdo:

sorry, 1080i H.264 :)

[21:02:48]

sphery:

on Atom?

[21:03:00]

sphery:

or the Atom is your firewall?

[21:03:06]

Beirdo:

Atom's the firewall :)

[21:03:09]

sphery:

ah...

[21:03:11]

Beirdo:

on the Pentium D

[21:03:24]

sphery:

cool--still amazing for that proc

[21:03:26]

sphery:

3GHz or so?

[21:03:33]

wagnerrp:

2.8

[21:03:49]

Beirdo:

2.8 :)

[21:03:51]

sphery:

I've always wondered if it reports frames properly on that--or if it's actually reporting fields...

[21:04:04]

wagnerrp:

fields

[21:04:11]

Beirdo:

hmm, I dunno, that's a Captain_Murdoch question, I think :)

[21:04:12]

wagnerrp:

it reports fields properly on that

[21:04:18]

wagnerrp:

so youre actually running at ~1/3x

[21:04:18]

** sphery wonders if wagnerrp just knows proc capabilities that well or if he heard Beirdo say that before... **

[21:04:34]

Beirdo:

likely remembered from last night

[21:04:45]

sphery:

heh

[21:05:12]

Beirdo:

it's recording me some Deadliest Catch (which I switched to new episodes only)

[21:05:12]

sphery:

good--I would have been worried if he just "knew" that's what a 2.8GHz Pentium D would give

[21:05:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:05:20]

Beirdo:

yeah

[21:05:34]

wagnerrp:

i could have guess beirdo bought the low end P-D

[21:05:53]

Beirdo:

bought?

[21:05:55]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:06:01]

Beirdo:

inherited

[21:06:16]

wagnerrp:

i think the 2.8 was the slowest one they made

[21:06:17]

Imaginativeone:

run away from Primerica

[21:06:21]

Beirdo:

perma-loan/whatever

[21:06:22]

sphery:

My condolences for your loss.

[21:06:27]

sphery:

Hope it wasn't your favorite uncle.

[21:06:29]

Beirdo:

It's a nice box

[21:06:30]

Beirdo:

heheh

[21:06:35]

Beirdo:

no, not like that

[21:06:44]

sphery:

:)

[21:06:47]

sphery:

that's good

[21:06:54]

Beirdo:

yeah

[21:07:06]

Beirdo:

my family's computers are all junk

[21:07:10]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:07:11]

sphery:

so, it's easy to convert to UTC, now, because we have accessors.

[21:07:12]

wagnerrp:

i remember ~5yrs ago, all the tech sites were talking about how great the 2.8 P-D was for the price

[21:07:15]

sphery:

so get right on it Beirdo

[21:07:31]

wagnerrp:

since they were undercutting the price (and performance) of all of AMDs dual core offerings of the time

[21:07:37]

Beirdo:

I'll get right on mythgallery :)

[21:07:54]

Beirdo:

well, after finishing with mythweather

[21:07:55]

wagnerrp:

but apparently with sufficient cooling, it was a great overclocker

[21:07:55]

sphery:

people seem to forget that we use these dates /everywhere/--including in external clients like MythWeb and 2x bindings and ... which all need fixing at the same time

[21:08:10]

Beirdo:

yeah, of course, sphery

[21:08:31]

Beirdo:

but we also reduce complexity of many of those external clients that have to convert too

[21:08:34]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:08:43]

Beirdo:

but yeah, monumental change

[21:09:11]

** Beirdo throws more CPU at the problem **

[21:09:14]

Beirdo:

there, fixed

[21:09:14]

sphery:

the bright side of the change would be: a) it would break a lot of stuff in MythTV trunk during a development cycle, thereby encouraging users to run -fixes and b) it would break all the 3rd-party clients that do bad things with proto

[21:09:36]

Beirdo:

I like protobuf or the like to fix the latter

[21:10:02]

Beirdo:

makes being a protocol nazi easier

[21:10:15]

Beirdo:

and the python bindings should be simple :)

[21:10:34]

sphery:

yeah, if I get a chance to work on the embedded DB right after 0.24 release, I plan to go with protobuf... at that point, using it for the proto would actually make things much simpler (and there wouldn't be any reason not to use it at that point)

[21:10:40]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp and his python... keep it in yer pants :)

[21:10:57]

Beirdo:

nice

[21:11:02]

Beirdo:

that should be fun

[21:11:06]

** sphery doesn't like the snake eggs he finds all over his filesystem from all this python stuff **

[21:11:22]

Beirdo:

I'd rather see perls...

[21:11:25]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:11:30]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[21:11:48]

Beirdo:

and the Everglades are being overrun by Burmese Pythons...

[21:11:55]

Beirdo:

bad snakes!

[21:12:14]

Beirdo:

anyways... :)

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Beirdo:

holy crap. look at the time

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sphery:

like ~/.python-eggs/MySQL_python-1.2.3c1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg-tmp/_mysql.so

[21:12:49]

sphery:

what is that?

[21:12:49]

Beirdo:

I need to go home so I can get cracking on stuff.

[21:12:58]

wagnerrp:

time to go home and start screwing around more?

[21:13:02]

sphery:

something out of: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MySQL_python-1.2.3c1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg , perhaps?

[21:13:03]

Beirdo:

yeah

[21:13:32]

Beirdo:

gotta get animated maps in there so whiners can eat me :)

[21:13:33]

wagnerrp:

why do you have a shared library in your home?

[21:13:48]

Beirdo:

because he has a lot of books... duh

[21:13:49]

sphery:

no idea

[21:14:08]

Beirdo:

and on THAT note... seeya on the flip side

[21:15:19]

sphery:

the tmp in the dir name seems to indicate I can delete it...

[21:15:22]

sphery:

so, there

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sphery:

strange... it's not on the file system I used to clone that system... Only on my frontend system.

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AYarter:

Hey everyone. I've just switched to an HDTV, and I'm having issues getting the mythfrontend to the proper resolution. I've tried to set it manually, and let it autodetect, but the screen is just super zoomed in. Any ideas?

[21:21:19]

opij:

can anyone help me with another possible solution?

[21:21:50]

opij:

i'd like to be able to flip through streams like tv channels on my television

[21:21:52]

Lexridge:

Ayarter, have you tried the screen wizard?

[21:22:05]

AYarter:

I have, but I did it via ssh

[21:22:13]

AYarter:

Refresh my memory as to where I find that again?

[21:22:31]

Lexridge:

I'd have to find it myself, actually.

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AYarter:

Lexridge, Noi difference

[21:30:52]

AYarter:

the mythfrontend says its setting it upo to 800x600, but its set to auto detect

[21:31:03]

AYarter:

And it does just that when I specify resolutions too

[21:31:21]

Lexridge:

it might have something to do with the fact you're doing this through ssh x session.

[21:31:30]

AYarter:

I did this at the machine itself

[21:31:39]

Lexridge:

What is your native screen res?

[21:31:51]

AYarter:

ATM, its 854x480

[21:31:56]

AYarter:

and X is doing just fine with that

[21:32:10]

AYarter:

I've triued everything up to Xx1080, and it always does the same thing

[21:33:08]

Lexridge:

your using a 4:3 monitor I would assume?

[21:34:48]

AYarter:

No

[21:34:51]

AYarter:

16:9

[21:35:02]

AYarter:

Its an HDTV hooked up via monitor port

[21:35:25]

AYarter:

X works fine at 854x480. Just mythtv always wants to start at 800x600

[21:35:30]

AYarter:

even when I manually specify something else

[21:35:37]

wagnerrp:

the VGA port may be arbitrarily and worthlessly restricted

[21:35:42]

wagnerrp:

can you try DVI?

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AYarter:

wagnerrp, I cannot... However, X itself is just fine at that resolution

[21:36:21]

AYarter:

I have no problems with any other windows, emu,lators, anything

[21:36:24]

AYarter:

Only mythtv

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wagnerrp:

no dvi port on the card?

[21:36:47]

AYarter:

Yup. And its a plasma without DVI

[21:37:15]

Lexridge:

and it doesnt have hdmi either?

[21:37:23]

wagnerrp:

old plasmas didnt

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Lexridge:

oh, nm...without dvi on your computer hdmi would not work anyway doh

[21:38:33]

AYarter:

But, now its got the vertical resolution right

[21:38:36]

AYarter:

just not horizontal

[21:38:37]

AYarter:

haha

[21:39:19]

AYarter:

It just keeps autodetecting the resolution. Bah

[21:40:26]

Lexridge:

ayarter, did it ever work right?

[21:41:58]

AYarter:

on the crt, yeah

[21:42:15]

AYarter:

when i manually set the res, it honors the vertical res, just not the horizontal

[21:53:20]

AYarter:

doh, totally got it now

[21:53:28]

AYarter:

#FORCE TV OUT was still on for the CRT

[21:53:30]

AYarter:

haha

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

OK, let's see what tonight brings

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AYarter:

does anyone know of a utility like qjoypad that supports key combinations?

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AYarter:

ie, two buttons on the controller is like pressing a single keyboard key

[22:33:55]

opij:

could someone please help me?

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Beirdo:

opij: you were already told the solution available in myth

[22:37:35]

opij:

Beirdo: I don't have the skills to use myth without someone helping me a lot and the solution you gave me was almost alpha.

[22:39:01]

Beirdo:

well, not sure what else you'd want then

[22:39:34]

opij:

someone recommended freevo

[22:39:52]

opij:

another boxee

[22:40:17]

Beirdo:

well, if it isn't mythtv, you won't get significant, if any, help here.

[22:40:20]

wagnerrp:

freevo and boxee have nothing in common

[22:40:25]

Beirdo:

this is a mythtv channel :)

[22:40:30]

wagnerrp:

the have completely separate purposes

[22:41:01]

wagnerrp:

there is no way those two applications could have been recommended for the same task

[22:41:18]

opij:

im sure there's a way

[22:41:18]

wagnerrp:

so the person recommending one or the other needs to be slapped

[22:41:51]

opij:

they same person didn't recommend both of them

[22:42:04]

wagnerrp:

correct, but one of them was horribly off base

[22:42:12]

opij:

which one?

[22:42:18]

wagnerrp:

what do you want to do?

[22:42:33]

opij:

i'd like to be able to flip through streams like tv channels on my television

[22:42:41]

Beirdo:

!url lmgtfy boxee freevo

[22:42:41]

MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=boxee%20freevo

[22:43:14]

wagnerrp:

for accessing internet content, freevo was completely the wrong thing to recommend

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opij:

ok

[22:43:27]

opij:

thanks

[22:43:30]

wagnerrp:

freevo is intended as a DVR software, much as mythtv

[22:43:44]

opij:

boxee doesnt seem to be opensource so i dont like it

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opij:

wagnerrp: does myth tv allow you to do what I described?

[22:45:23]

wagnerrp:

through a plugin, yes

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opij:

but that plugin was described as unstable

[22:46:16]

wagnerrp:

do you want to record tv

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[R]:

of course boxee is opensource

[22:46:33]

opij:

no. i just want to watch it

[22:46:48]

wagnerrp:

if you do not intend to use a tuner card, mythtv is not for you

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opij:

and maybe a tv guide *IF* possible

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wagnerrp:

what good is a guide if youre not going to watch anything?

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opij:

i'd like to be able to flip through streams like tv channels on my television

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wagnerrp:

internet content does not behave like television content

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wagnerrp:

there arent many 'streams'

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wagnerrp:

its all on demand content

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opij:

i disagree

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opij:

ive found many streams

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Beirdo:

oy!

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Beirdo:

you've been told several times the solution via mythtv, please stop asking if you don't want the answer.

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Beirdo:

OK, I need to chill :)

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Beirdo:

sorry.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support internet streams as tuner inputs

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports IPTV in the specific form of RTP/RTSP streams as a tuner input

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opij:

i thought mythtv was for output to the tv as well. sorry. i was mistaken.

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv can output to a tv

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wagnerrp:

as can boxee, freevo, and any of the dozens of other HTPC softwares

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betolley:

I have setup my hauppauge 1600 card. The analog is setup and working. I have scanned using the digital side of the card. It found many unencrypted digital channels. I have renamed them to the proper channel in the names. Should I be able to enter the id# of the analog channels into the digital and have the shows showup for the channels? It is not currently working that way...SHould it?

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Beirdo:

I hope I wasn't too harsh.. it was like talkin to a brick wall.

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[R]:

betolley: "the id"?

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betolley:

channel id

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[R]:

to get listing data you need an xmltv id

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betolley:

That is what I am entering....I am entering the id for the xmltv id from the analog side of the card for the same channel.

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[R]:

and you need to run mythfilldatabase

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Beirdo:

complete gam win, Cliff Lee... he's makin a habit outta this

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Beirdo:

game win

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Beirdo:

7–4 over the Yanks

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betolley:

I use mc2xml to make a xml file for card 1. Do I need to import the same file for the 2end source(digital source)? I tried that and it just imported the analog channels into the system.

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Beirdo:

we do not support mc2xml

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[R]:

wtf is mc2xml?

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Beirdo:

a forbidden piece of software... due to TOS violation

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betolley:

creates and xmltv.xml file that can be imported with mythfilldatabase from the ms legacy media center servers.

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Beirdo:

betolley: if you are in North America, use schedulesdirect

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Beirdo:

!url faq

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MythLogBot:

faq: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC

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Beirdo:

read the section on TOS violations

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betolley:

<--Not asking about mc2xml was asking about adding data for digital data...Just wanted to know if I needed to mythfilldatabase for digital side or if it would read using the xmltv id from the analog side.....

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[R]:

betolley: i told you what you have to do... add the xmltvid and run mythfilldatabase

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betolley:

thnx R

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wagnerrp:

you do not want to use the xmltvids of the analog channels for the digital ones

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wagnerrp:

they are not the same channel

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wagnerrp:

their guide data will not match

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Beirdo:

if you were using schedulesdirect as you should be, this wouldn't be an issue.

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betolley:

How so. Different channel numbers, same show, same call numbers.

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wagnerrp:

different show

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betolley:

I actually came from Windows 7 business with media center on the system.

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betolley:

Playing with myth to see if I like it.

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betolley:

I may go back...or try gbpvr.

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wagnerrp:

microsoft's guide data is only licensed for use with windows media center, not for mythtv or gbpvr or any other xmltv user

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter if you have purchased windows or not

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betolley:

<--Does not want to pay until I see if i was to stay with mythtv.

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Beirdo:

there is a 7-day trial period on SD

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Beirdo:

is that not long enough?

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wagnerrp:

after which... you could probably get another trial

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how they do identification for trials

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Beirdo:

or pay $20, which isn't THAT much money

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Beirdo:

I dunno about you, but I go through more than that a week in coffee.

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betolley:

<--Ready to change subject....So where does myth pull the backgrounds for the shows?

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wagnerrp:

for recordings, it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

certain themes support an image search in the filesystem for artwork

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wagnerrp:

and JAMU exists to pull data for recorded shows externally

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wagnerrp:

something which will be moved into an internal function in the future

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betolley:

? I recorded curious george from PBS for the kids. It has a really high res backround.

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wagnerrp:

are you running mythbuntu?

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betolley:

yea.

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu sets JAMU up as a cron job for you

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Beirdo:

that reminds me...

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Beirdo:

should setup jamu again

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

RDV_Linux: BTW, thanks again for jamu :)

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Beirdo:

seems it needs fixing, BTW

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Beirdo:

it is expecting DBSchemaVer 1254, and trunk is at 1259

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wagnerrp:

how about you install the trunk python bindings

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Beirdo:

how about I did

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wagnerrp:

*hint* *hint*

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

how about you didnt

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Beirdo:

when did it change? :)

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wagnerrp:

oh, couple months ago when the schema did

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Beirdo:

I'm maybe 4–5 days behind.

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wagnerrp:

1255 was before 0.23 was even released

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Beirdo:

I only checked trunk out a few days ago

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Beirdo:

well, this is jamu.py as installed by trunk

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wagnerrp:

and the python bindings installed by 0.23

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Beirdo:

how the heck?!

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Beirdo:

fugh.

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wagnerrp:

did you install the 0.23 packages, and trunk source?

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Beirdo:

It musta been when I backported, but why didn't it do it

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Beirdo:

never

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Beirdo:

but I have 0.23-fixes tree checked out too

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv/bindings/python/

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wagnerrp:

and 'python setup.py uninstall' followed by 'python setup.py install'

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Beirdo:

K, let's see

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Beirdo:

there it goes

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Beirdo:

how odd

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Beirdo:

I did a make distclean and make ; make install between

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Beirdo:

but that's good to know, thanks :)

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Beirdo:

silly computers

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duanemoody:

sup

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duanemoody:

had problems with dual pvr-150 f/b mythbuntu, so I deleted and readded the tuner cards in the setup. Only problem now is the remote isn't working

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duanemoody:

still looking through forums

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