Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 30th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Mipsalawishus:

argghh....

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Mipsalawishus:

anyone awake right now?

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wagnerrp:

!seen anyone

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MythLogBot:

anyone was last seen 1637 days 10 hours 55 minutes 26 seconds ago

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Mipsalawishus:

hahaha

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Mipsalawishus:

well, i'm having a newbie problem right now

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Shadow__X:

Mipsalawishus: normally you ask your question and wait patiently to see if someone answers

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Shadow__X:

but, i may be of some assistance

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Mipsalawishus:

how do i get mythtv to see the videos in the video directory that i point it to?

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Shadow__X:

you add it into the frontend

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Mipsalawishus:

i've checked the path several times

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Mipsalawishus:

but it still says that there's no files

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zzpat:

is that the same path on the frontend?

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Mipsalawishus:

yea

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wagnerrp:

actually, you add it to the backend

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup

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Mipsalawishus:

i even checked the web backend

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wagnerrp:

storage group setup

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wagnerrp:

add the necessary folders to the Videos storage group

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wagnerrp:

and restart the backend

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Shadow__X:

whoops sorry about that

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wagnerrp:

note that you will have to go into the 'm' menu and hit 'scan for changes' before anything will show up

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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Mipsalawishus:

"m" when in the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

when in mythvideo

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Mipsalawishus:

okie – one sec, i'll try that

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Mipsalawishus:

sweet

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Mipsalawishus:

i must have tried every other key on my keyboard xcept that one

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Mipsalawishus:

lol....

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Mipsalawishus:

<--tard

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Mipsalawishus:

one other question i had is if i can queue up tv playback, like a channel playlist. i don't have a tuner installed right now to test, but that's something that would completely rock in my book. being able to queue up videos and channels for playback.

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wagnerrp:

videos and recordings, yes...

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Mipsalawishus:

but not tv?

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wagnerrp:

how would you queue livetv?

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Mipsalawishus:

what i had in mind was someway for it to change to another channel at a given time

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wagnerrp:

you can record at a given time

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Mipsalawishus:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

and then play it at your leisure

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Mipsalawishus:

i have a project that i'm needing to set something up that can switch channels at certain times, like switch to one channel for the news, and then to another for a tv show

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wagnerrp:

so manage that externally using the telnet socket

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket

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Mipsalawishus:

i was looking at that earlier and thought about doing what i'm needing through a cron job

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Mipsalawishus:

but didn't know if the telnet socket would let you affect the frontend, like in channel surfing

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Mipsalawishus:

sorry if i'm a complete newb and throwing some weird ideas around

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wagnerrp:

see the 'play' functions

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Mipsalawishus:

oh damn – how did i miss that?

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Mipsalawishus:

too many tabs open earlier i guess

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Mipsalawishus:

this will work perfect

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Mipsalawishus:

scripting this to work right might be a chore though

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wagnerrp:

not much demand for scheduled livetv sessions

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Mipsalawishus:

yea – lol

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Mipsalawishus:

i know, after looking everywhere i started to give up hope

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Mipsalawishus:

but the telnet socket will work perfect for what i need

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Mipsalawishus:

a few cron jobs with the right scripts will get this project working perfect

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Mipsalawishus:

i have to setup a couple of big screen tvs in different parts of a building for employees to watch when on break, but also to play some HR powerpoints that will be converted to mpegs and also anything else that comes up fro mtime to time. our HR dept is not tech savvy nor would they want to be changing the channel every few hours.

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wagnerrp:

so they will be recordings?

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Mipsalawishus:

just the occasional video

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Mipsalawishus:

but most of the time live tv

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Mipsalawishus:

the mythweather would be good to jump to from time to time as well

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Mipsalawishus:

i'll play around with the telnet socket and get a good feel for how well it will work.

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duanemoody:

what's the first thing I need to check on an IR that isn't working on a PVR-150 (besides unplugging and replugging it)?

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I have tracked down WHY my weather maps don't update on the screen even though a new one's been downloaded

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Beirdo:

now to determine the correct way to fix it ;)

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Beirdo:

gotta wait 15min to see if this fix worked

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wagnerrp:

cant manually flush it?

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Beirdo:

the problem is...

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Beirdo:

when newData is signalled, if the screen is prepared already, it won't re-prepare teh screen

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Beirdo:

which is fine for text, as it overwrites the text

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Beirdo:

but it doesn't img->Load() again

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Beirdo:

sooo...

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Beirdo:

for now I'm testing it always re-preparing the screen on reload

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Beirdo:

err... on newData

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Beirdo:

make sense? :)

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Beirdo:

it took me a while to trace down the MythUI-ness

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Beirdo:

as it was doing a GetChild, and I couldn't find where it ever created the child... it's in the theme XML load... of course :)

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Beirdo:

maybe I shouldn't be singing this song... ranting and raving and carrying on... maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong.... Naaaaahh. I'm an <BLEEEP>!

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wagnerrp:

i never understood why on tv, they bleep 'hole'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, seriously

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Beirdo:

OK, that did not work

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Beirdo:

BUT I found another bug

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oooh, mythweather, you annoying pile of junk

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Beirdo:

Denis Leary is so funny at times

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Beirdo:

and now... I wait another 15min

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Beirdo:

oh BLARGH

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Beirdo:

I see the source of THAT bug

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Beirdo:

now how to accomplish THIS? :)

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Beirdo:

It's not easy being cheesy...

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Beirdo:

OK, bugs averted

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Beirdo:

new bug created

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the images now update... BUT...

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Beirdo:

the screen that's currently being displayed... gets hosed

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Beirdo:

that's a paddlin

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zoran119:

can anyone shed some light on the following error

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zoran119:

Tried to write myth://Coverart@192.168.1.8:6543/0076276_coverart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 178). 1

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Beirdo:

oh fun... QImageReader can do animated GIF, it seems

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you up?

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Beirdo:

heh. oh wait, it's 4am there

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justinh:

Beirdo: you might be able to read animated gif with Qt but displaying it will probably have to mean pulling each frame out to individual images

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Beirdo:

yeah, it means a change to libmythui to allow it

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Beirdo:

unless I wanna hack it locally, which I don't really wanna do

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justinh:

you could have used qt for the whole lot but for the fact there's more than one painter

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Beirdo:

QImageLoader will load up animated images, and is able to sequence through them

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zoran119:

no one knows?

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Beirdo:

butI don't want to hack it in, I'd like it added into libmythui

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Beirdo:

no one knows what?

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justinh:

Beirdo: do you know about the flipbook animation class?

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Beirdo:

nope

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justinh:

Beirdo: well, it takes a sequence of images (sequentially named files) & displays them in order

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Beirdo:

I don't want that :)

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Beirdo:

I want a single animated GIF being deconstructed

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jya:

gizmobay: re: ticket #8267 ... I closed the ticket because that whole part of the ALSA code code completely rewritten. The patch attached wasn't used and it wasn't relevant with the new code...

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zoran119:

Beirdo: the solution to the following error

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zoran119:

Tried to write myth://Coverart@192.168.1.8:6543/0076276_coverart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 178). 1

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Beirdo:

the current code already does the equivalent of that

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Beirdo:

zoran119: no cluew

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justinh:

zoran119: that's more likely a problem with the artwork service you're using

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Beirdo:

justinh: the problem I have is that it seems I can NOT get individual previous frames from wunderground

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zoran119:

justinh: it's just tmdb.pl

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Beirdo:

which sucks

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justinh:

ach

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Beirdo:

and I don't want to use perlmagick

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zoran119:

justinh: stock... no changes to it

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Beirdo:

that's a monster of a new dependency

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justinh:

Beirdo: maybe a new class to split the image

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I could do that.

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justinh:

zoran119: so tmdb are moving stuff around

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justinh:

Beirdo: then pop the images into a form like the flipbook animation class does & use that for display

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Beirdo:

we'll see if gbee is up for adding support in MythUIImage first

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justinh:

six & 2 threes I think ;)

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zoran119:

justinh: maybe i can hack the script to follow redirects...

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Beirdo:

if not, I can make mythweather do it as a "processData" step

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justinh:

zoran119: maybe you should get onto tmdb & get them to sort out their API

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zoran119:

justinh: that sounds scary

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justinh:

zoran119: our scripts follow tvdb & tmdb APIs – if stuff is broken that's *their* fault

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justinh:

one of the APIs changed recently if I remember right – meaning 0.21 & 0.22 won't work anymore

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justinh:

so if you're not already using mythtv 0.23 that'll be why

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justinh:

and no, you can't use the scripts from 0.23 with anything older

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zoran119:

justinh: that sounds like fun

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justinh:

well it depends which version you're running

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benny_:

Hello! yesterday I tested r25198, and I got some really interesting audio effects when turning on up-mixer to 5.1

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justinh:

trunk?

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benny_:

like DVB channels transmit only 2-channel audio, the up-mix convert the sound to just a lot of noise

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justinh:

crap in, junk out

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justinh:

so which version are you actually using?

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justinh:

0.23-fixes or trunk?

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justinh:

that revision number means nothing

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benny_:

for DVB channels that transmit more then 2-channel audio (Dolby Digital) it works OK.

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benny_:

I'm using 0-24-trunk

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justinh:

there is no 0.24

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benny_:

well, trunk-25198

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justinh:

so file a bug

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benny_:

MythBuntu names it 0.24.0~trunk25198–0ubuntu0~mythbuntu1

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justinh:

mythbuntu is wrong :)

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justinh:

they keep doing that, saying "muh, we've gotta call it something"

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benny_:

well, sorry – that's I called it 0.24 :$

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justinh:

my solution would be to not try to upmix 2 channel audio, because it's pointless :)

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benny_:

Ok – I can fill in a bug

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justinh:

include the output of -v audio in the ticket

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benny_:

well, the problem is that if I uncheck the upmix

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benny_:

all channels got 2-channel audio

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benny_:

even the channels that transmit in 5.1

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justinh:

for that I'd just use passthru :)

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benny_:

well, how do I enable just raw passthru in MythTV now ?

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benny_:

a lot of things has changed in the audio engine

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benny_:

i don't find a way to just enable passthru ...

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justinh:

have you tried reading the docs?

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justinh:

or the wiki?

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benny_:

sure I have,

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benny_:

if not anything have changed in the docs last week

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benny_:

... the point is, I can live without the upmix – it's even better

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benny_:

but plz, dont "downmix" the 5.1 to 2-channel audio

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benny_:

I was not like that in previous trunk revisions

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benny_:

I think, I have almost test them all

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justinh:

I don't think I had to change my audio settings. stereo audio goes out over the soundcard analogue.. and anything surround gets passed through

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justinh:

if you want everything passed through I think all you have to do is set the output device to whatever the SPDIF on your soundcard is called

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justinh:

aplay -L to find that out

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benny_:

my audio device is set to ALSA:iec958

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benny_:

I have only a digital connection from computer to receiver

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justinh:

I think you need to set the speaker setup to 5.1 in mythfrontend

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benny_:

the speaker setup is set to 5.1, and "DTS" and "Dolby Digital" checkboxes are set

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justinh:

anyway maybe the weird sound is a bug with upmixing.. I dunno much about the new audio setup stuff myself

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justinh:

time to get ready.. it's a long drive to the beach

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benny_:

well, here in Gothenburg

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benny_:

it's raining,

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benny_:

like usual ...

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benny_:

I'll fill a ticket in track

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Beirdo:

jya: sounds like you have a bug coming your way :)

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jya:

it does :)

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Beirdo:

fun times, eh?

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jya:

justinh: why would it be pointless to upmix 2 channels audio ? there are plenty of stations actually sending pro-logic matrixed audio ... the upmixer works brilliantly on those

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jya:

benny_: what do you mean enable just passthru ?

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Beirdo:

wow, we're keeping ohloh busy lately. many commits.

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jya:

BTW, I don't think mythbuntu is wrong in calling it 0.24~trunk ; that's what the ~ means ; pre-0.24... then you get + when it's branched but not officially released, and then – when it's official... good way to numbering thing if you ask me

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benny_:

well, I've created ticket #8627 – trying to explain my experience

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benny_:

I agree, why would upmix be pointless ?

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jya:

Personally, I also like that audio that is identical in left and right channel go to the center channel, make it much easier to follow dialogues

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Beirdo:

I think calling it 0.24 anything is dumb. It confuses things.

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Beirdo:

0.24 isn't due for what, at least another month?

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jya:

why? it will be 0.24 at some stage. so pre-0.24 (which is what the ~ stands for)

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jya:

just like freebsd

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jya:

the day the FreeBSD 8 branch became official

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jya:

everything trunk became FreeBSD 9

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Beirdo:

well, then we'll let you explain to many many users that 0.24 doesn't exist

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jya:

but you know then they are referring to trunk

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Beirdo:

they should use a better scheme that doesn't use an invalid version number

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benny_:

well., whatever blame the MythBuntu – they call it 0.24

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jya:

benny_: don't use Fastest

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Beirdo:

for all they know, we may choose the next version to be 1.0

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Beirdo:

we won't, but how do they know that immediately after 0.23 is released?

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jya:

use best

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benny_:

jya: why not? – Ok i'll try other setting when I'm back from work

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jya:

benny_: because I know what's behind the code :)

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jya:

you won't get anything interesting with fastest, and best, isn't that much slower.. all it does is introduce a very slight audio delay

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benny_:

jya: well, if the code is that bad,. remove it, or lets' try fix it :)

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jya:

the default is best for a reason...

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Beirdo:

that'd be crazy talk :)

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benny_:

I don't know but got the feeling that "Fastest" was the default option

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jya:

fast has some use ... but it can sounds crap depending on the content

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jya:

benny_: if the source audio is 5.1 , then having upmix checked or not make no difference

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jya:

it won't downmix to stereo

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jya:

if when you uncheck upmixer , you always get stereo, the reason is that the source was stereo, plain and simple

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Beirdo:

ccache is my friend :)

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Beirdo:

especially when running trunk

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MaverickTech:

Hi there

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MaverickTech:

I have a MythVideo in MythWeb question, if anyone can help

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MaverickTech:

since upgrading to 23 (using MythVideo storage groups), the URL's in MythWeb for Video's are malformed...

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MaverickTech:

e.g. >> http://x.x.x.x/mythwebx/video?path=%2FSeries% . . . ticaSeason+4

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MaverickTech:

at the end of the URL, 'GalacticaSeason+4' should be 'Galactica%2FSeason+4'

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MaverickTech:

seems to only affect directories nested more than 2 deep

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bsdosxdev:

A message from BIKCMP: Can anyone tell me how many times these high and mighty evolution scientists have already backpedalled and changed their version of the truth to fit some new finding? I've already lost the count... pathetic, really.

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AmigaX86computer:

A message from BIKCMP: Can anyone tell me how many times these high and mighty evolution scientists have already backpedalled and changed their version of the truth to fit some new finding? I've already lost the count... pathetic, really.

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sunosCode:

A message from BIKCMP: Wee! Look at me! I'm a faggot masochist with my faggot masochists' OS! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! I can't play WMVs! Ain't I cool!

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HubBicycle:

A message from BIKCMP: Im in the middle east. Middle eastern people may have dark skin like a grl.......face it bitch...ur a motherfuckin dick suckin man hoe!!!!!!!!!.........ur a faget ass punk pussy lil girl......ur da gayest person ever........go to hell bitch!!!!

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plan9ObamaNeuro:

A message from BIKCMP: I wish that i was Vegeta from dragonball z. Once while stoned i tried to do a kamehameha and im sure my hands got hot. Im planning on picking a fight and while the adrenaline is flowing, im going to turn super saiyan and punish my opposition. Goku is stronger but Vegeta is cooler, im 38 with two kids.... my kids are weaklings, my wife left me and i like the way womans shoes make my calves look.

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PhpterrySco:

A message from BIKCMP: I am the world's foremost expert on sticking people's treasured items into my urethra. I have 'gauged' it to the point where I can almost wedge a piece of celery in there, though no one treasures celery. If anyone can beat this, I'd like to suck their dick!

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tabmow_Bell:

A message from BIKCMP: My Band, although composed of 2 flute players, and almost soothing at times, is comparable to the sound of Kenny G, but our music holds messages of hate, genocide, and anal sex. We played the title track off our album, "Hitler was the World's True Leader", which talks about killing Jews and acheiving Nazi ideological clarity.

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Mquin_Sparchub:

A message from BIKCMP: Ah yes, the Nazi's come to play. Wonderful, the only thing more ignorant than a homophobe is a racist. Well god help you my brother, because if your Hitler youth ass ever steps foot in GA, I will find you myself.

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Sposato_obama_Nu:

A message from BIKCMP: Your hands are filthy, covered in vast amounts of fungi, bacteria, and viruses. Underneath your fingernails is even worse. Also, the stove is on.

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Gnuguinea:

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wagnerrp:

my stove is on? uh oh

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caelor:

sphery: a quick follow up on my issue yesterday – it's looking promising (putting the SBE on the same switch as the MBE, rather than through multiple). Several recordings today, and no deadlocks.

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caelor:

I do however still have aborted connections logged by mysql whenever the SBE goes to sleep, and some reported by localhost, but they don't seem to cause deadlocks. I'm guessing there's some connection being closed cleanly somewhere.

[10:41:45]

sphery:

caelor: Great. I hope it continues to work.

[10:41:54]

caelor:

thanks, me too.

[10:42:10]

sphery:

for the aborted connections when the SBE goes to sleep, you can have your sleep script shut down the backend before sleeping and start it after sleeping

[10:42:44]

sphery:

or you can use the new automatic remote backend shutdown features in 0.23-fixes and above (to have your master backend tell your remote backend to sleep and wake when required)

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caelor:

yes, I'll look into that. It's probably a config issue. I'm just happy to have it working!

[10:42:54]

caelor:

that's what I'm using

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sphery:

oh, but you're having it sleep instead of shut down?

[10:43:29]

caelor:

but IIRC, the shutdown command may not trigger all init scripts to go down.

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sphery:

if so, you should just need to modify the scripts

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caelor:

nope, shut down, wake on lan

[10:43:57]

caelor:

by "sleep", i was being guided by the messages in the backend log ("GO TO SLEEP")

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caelor:

that's likely to be another issue, and one I should be able to look into offline rather than using up your valuable time. Thanks again for all your help.

[10:45:07]

sphery:

hmmm... maybe killing the backend doesn't cleanly close the connections... since the only way to close the backend is killing it, ...

[10:45:25]

sphery:

I've been considering putting an approach in that allows calling a shutdown command for the backend

[10:45:50]

sphery:

anyway, glad it's working for you

[10:46:05]

sphery:

thanks for mention of the abandoned connections

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caelor:

yes. But that's starting to venture into the realms of "feature request", given it works fine for now, and there's the possibility of embedded mysql on the horizon, it may not be worth following.

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caelor:

no problem, it's a small thing to give back to a project I've found very useful for quite a few years now!

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sphery:

heh, yeah, from that standpoint, my time may be better served just doing the embedded MySQL that I keep saying I'm going to do. :)

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wagnerrp:

so... woman lets child run around the neighborhood naked, google streetview car drives by, woman gets on soap box proclaiming how evil google is for photographing her child naked

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caelor:

yeah. Although I have a sneaking suspicion that the backend protocol may require significant extending as part of that, and hence also border on the other milestone of addressing that.

[10:50:28]

sphery:

caelor: Yeah, I'm looking at using Google's protobuf for the data-access protocol. Once that's in, it's quite likely the backend protocol would be switched to protobuf, too. Meets our requirements for lightweight, fast, and "standard".

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caelor:

hmm protobuf had somehow slipped past my radar, but a quick look is impressive. It looks also like it would make adding language bindings more trivial too.

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sphery:

haven't looked into that aspect of it

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sphery:

some of the other guys in here recommended protobuf to me--I agree, though, it's impressive

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youre the resident baseball expert, why is this a double and not a foul ball... http://deadspin.com/5576040/

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caelor:

yeah, that shouldn't be an objective, but may be a pleasant side-effect.

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caelor:

I shall continue to listen in on -commits and -dev with interest! It's nice to see the pace of development.

[10:55:12]

jams:

wagnerrp- it landed fair then bounced out of play. it's a quirk of baseball rules

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sphery:

caelor: Oh, I see you mean computer-language bindings... I was thinking translations/i18n/L10n stuff... So, yeah, that would be a nice benefit to using protobuf. And it supports Python (for Python bindings) and there are 3rd-party libs for Perl (for Perl bindings) and PHP (for MythWeb), so the must-haves are covered. But all the additional languages would also be nice building blocks for additional bindings.

[10:59:02]

sphery:

jams: My Fair Landing... :)

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caelor:

sphery: sorry, I hadn't spotted the ambiguity in my statement, yes I meant computer-language bindings. That might go a way towards addressing the concern raised in the recent dev thread about embedding the DB, and access to external scripts.

[11:01:28]

sphery:

actually, had I been more in the computer mindset, I'm sure I would have understood. I'm just thinking about other stuff, now.

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caelor:

that's fine. :) I should probably stop distracting you (I'm guessing it's working hours in your timezone).

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wagnerrp:

never stopped us before

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sphery:

heh, true--this is more interesting than work

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wagnerrp:

'HDBaseT'?

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wagnerrp:

why couldnt they just use 10GBaseT

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sphery:

is that really meant to be "high definition"?

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sphery:

if so, that's taking it way too far

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sphery:

"HD Radio" was bad enough

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wagnerrp:

unidirectional 8Gbps for video, plus 100BaseT

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sphery:

oh... so some weird mutt.

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wagnerrp:

so its actually far far short of 10GBaseT

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justinh:

jya: okay yeah maybe prologic – but straight stereo.. I've heard my receiver attempt to make surround out of stereo & it's awful

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wagnerrp:

mine causes funky volume oscillations

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justinh:

can't believe this. a friend of mine has just suggested I tell Amazon my camcorder never arrived. They'll apparently just send another one out. Had no idea he was so immoral

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xand:

don't you have to sign for delivery?

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justinh:

nope

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xand:

o.O

[12:35:46]

justinh:

and never had to sign when it arrived the other day

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justinh:

they shouldn't use 'first class post' for items worth that amount of money

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xand:

indeed

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justinh:

then again I'm not sure that shipping method is any less secure than the useless couriers over here

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justinh:

Citylink et al

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Dassu:

Is internal mythtv player able to play embedded mkv subtitles?

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justinh:

when my HT receiver was delivered they left a card, so I rang the depot who suggested they could redeliver the next day and leave it outside. oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

bitmapped subs, yes

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betolley:

My comcast has started converting over to digital byt has not completed yet. If i choose the digital cable feed in schedules direct it does not link the channels to the digital frequencies how do i do this?

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wagnerrp:

mouse over the channel on the schedules direct page to pop up the xmltvid

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wagnerrp:

then go into the channel editor and set the xmltvid for that channel

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Shadow__X:

is grabbing meta data in mythtv .23-fixes using storage groups in a os x frontend supported?

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Shadow__X:

also am i correct in thinking that if using storage groups i do not need to manually define the video directories in the frontend. I switched from locally mounted to storage groups and priviously had them manullay entered since then i have removed them and left them blank

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i dont know why it wouldnt be

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wagnerrp:

should work fine, as long as you have the python pre-reqs

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh ok how do i check if i do

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wagnerrp:

try running the grabber manually

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Shadow__X:

in mythvideo?

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Shadow__X:

on my be/fe metadata images come up but on my fe only the informatation is shown no images

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wagnerrp:

the images should be pulled from the backend if you are actually using storage groups

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i know i setup the storage groups in the be

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Shadow__X:

uh i fear i am being dense

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ecc:

anyone using a sony bd/ps3 remote with mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm... how long has the mythweb recorded page had 'paging' support??? ;-) (now to figure out how to enable it!)

[15:25:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

found it! ;-)

[15:27:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

That's much better... recorded page set at 100/page loads in just a few seconds now instead of 20–30 seconds... (1524 recordings!) ;-)

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wagnerrp:

it has paging?

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wagnerrp:

are you using 0.23 or trunk?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep... ;-) 0.23-fixes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Go to the Settings – TV – "My Session" "Page recorded programs: " – I just set it to 100... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

so it does

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wagnerrp:

well trunk will drop the render time of those 1500 recordings to a couple seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

I found it had paging support while looking at the source code to possibly implement an ajax loader for the preview images to speed up the page load..

[15:31:01]

wagnerrp:

(the second time you open it)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Will it ? Cool. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, a lot of time time spent is actually mythweb processing the data in the background

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, it caches that processed data

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wagnerrp:

so in subsequent runs, it can just dump it straight to the browser

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wagnerrp:

an ajax pager would be nice though

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wagnerrp:

one that auto-loads the next page and appends it when you get near the bottom

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, the way I was looking to implement it was to initially load the preview images with an image such as 'preview-loading.gif', and set an ID for each image, then swap them with the 'real' preview image after the rest of the page loads...

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wagnerrp:

the browser through be threading that loading on its own

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: an Ajax pager would be cool too.... ;-) I need to learn more Ajax to accomplish that. ;-)

[15:36:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, but depending on the browser, it's trying to download 1,500 preview images at the same time that it's rendering the HTML, which can be horribly slow...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: One thing I experimented with a couple of years ago was to change all the image paths to 'relative' paths instead of absolute, and that sped up the loading too.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ... by an order of magnitude...

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Shadow__X:

so i dont know if this is expected behavior but i see an image for one movie and i see a good amount of network utilization around 3MB/sec consistenty and lsof shows that mythbackend has images opened does this create a cache?

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Shadow__X:

i am still only seeing one image even after letting it finish

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J-e-f-f-A:

well that's stupid... Google Chrome browser – select "View Source", and it pulls a new instance of the web page, instead of showing you the source for the already loaded page!

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Shadow__X:

heh nice

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: just tried it here and it gives the desired result

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Oh, it gives me the source of that URL, but it pulls it again instead of showing you the source it rendered the page from.

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Shadow__X:

hmm not here

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: ie: pull up the 'Recorded Programs" page of mythweb. Then do a 'view source' on it 1 minute later. You'll notice the time on the 2nd one is different...

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Shadow__X:

oh ok i gotcha now i am understanding

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: IE: I hade the page up from 3:50pm, did a 'view source' on it at 3:55, and the source showed me a page rendered at 3:55...

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Shadow__X:

right

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J-e-f-f-A:

dumb...

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: firefox does that sometimes too, its not just a chrome problem

[16:02:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

(not you, google...)

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kormoc:

Once a preview image is generated, it sits on the backend for use later, so it's never re-generated

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kormoc:

and we set the cache to be aggressively cachy, so it shouldn't even hit the network on a second load

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Shadow__X:

what is dumb is the fact i cant get my os x fe to pull images through storage groups

[16:06:02]

Shadow__X:

kormoc: oh ok if thats towards me

[16:06:12]

kormoc:

and it's not getting all the images at a single time

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kormoc:

only 2 to 4 threads can hit a server at the same time, 1 is for the main page, so it should only pull 1 to 3 images at a time

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Shadow__X:

i am just not seeing what i am doing wrong

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, so with that in mind, I don't know how ajax loading the images would speed it up

[16:08:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: by delaying the image 'pulls' until the page itself had downloaded fully – that's what I was thinking anyways...

[16:08:34]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, that won't speed it up at all, the page rendering isn't held up by the lack of images

[16:08:46]

kormoc:

(as it'll render beyond where the images are loaded)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Well, yeah, but the downloading of the images in 'parallel' with the downloading of the rendered HTML page slows down the html download.

[16:10:25]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it shouldn't at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: For example, if I change the preview image to a 'static' image, such as 'loading.jpg', the page loads in a couple of seconds.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: If I turn on the preview images, it takes about 15–20 seconds.

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kormoc:

how much of that time is just image downloads?

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kormoc:

if all you're talking about is purely to get the little load animation to stop sooner, sure

[16:11:38]

kormoc:

but end to end time shouldn't actually change

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: most of it... but the page doesn't render anywhere near as fast when the images are loaded in 'parallel'.

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kormoc:

it makes no difference for me

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kormoc:

are you running faster fox or similar?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: It would probably take the same amount of time overall to display all the images, but the percieved page load time would be faster.

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kormoc:

What template are you using for these tests?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: No – plain Firefox, and tested with Chome and IE on wintel too.

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kormoc:

I wonder if we don't have height/width set on the images

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J-e-f-f-A:

default – and currenly I'm on 0.23-fixes – I hear there's caching improvements in trunk.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: in 0.23-fixes, the icons (autoexpire,cc,stereo,hd, etc) don't have height/width set, but the preview images do.

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kormoc:

yeah, there shouldn't be any rendering holdups at all then

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kormoc:

as the image being there or not doesn't affect the box model if we know it's height/width already

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Is the php code pulling the thumbnail image right from disk if it's available, or is it always calling the backend to provide it?

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kormoc:

it's always calling the backend, which pulls it directly from disk if it's already generated

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J-e-f-f-A:

how 'expensive' is that?

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kormoc:

in my tests, extremely light

[16:25:22]

wagnerrp:

are you pulling over mythxml or mythproto?

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kormoc:

mythproto

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wagnerrp:

so that would be QUERY_GENPIXMAP?

[16:27:26]

kormoc:

yes

[16:29:01]

Zathras:

Hi. I have a failed recording which shows in "recordings" in MythTV-frontend although I removed it through MythWeb. In Mythweb it no longer shows. What can be the issue/how can I tackle this please?

[16:29:26]

Zathras:

*shows as in is listed. Not that it can be viewed

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: would it 'add up' when 1500 are requested?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, http requests add up with that many

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kormoc:

20 milliseconds is 30 seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Humm.. yeah...

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kormoc:

thing is, rendering shouldn't be held up

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kormoc:

I bet you're output buffering or something

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Shadow__X:

so i have storage groups setup. on my fe it pulls up the appriopriate video folders but they still do not display the appropriate images even though it works on the fe/be

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, I have no idea what Firefox/Chrome/IE's algorithms are for what they chose to display/render...

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: GENPIXMAP doesnt actually send you file image does it? it just generates the image, and then you manually pull the video off the filesystem?

[16:36:45]

wagnerrp:

s/video/image/

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: My though is that by controlling the image loading with ajax, it's much more 'predictable'...

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Zathras:

this failed recording is actually in the DB. Is there a cleaner/consistency script?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Because the html page renders in just a few seconds without the preview images, or a single 'static' preview image. – so the percieved page load time would be much faster, with the 'replacement' of the preview images taking 20–30 seconds 'in the background'... ;-)

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, thing is, it shouldn't matter at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Well, yeah, in a perfect world. ;-)

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kormoc:

for me the page renders in under 5 seconds with 800 recordings and then it takes another 20 seconds to load the images

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kormoc:

that's expected behavior and I fail to see why you would see differently

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I donno, I'd have to read the code

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wagnerrp:

that something xris put together?

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kormoc:

I've reworked it a few times, but he did the first, aye

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wagnerrp:

was just trying to reproduce it in the python bindings, so i could time it

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Shadow__X:

on my os x fe when i hit w in mythvideo it says video data query failed

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: seems you actually are pulling the preview over mythxml

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: On Chrome, the page starts to render after 5 seconds, and for the next 53 seconds is rendering in parallel with preview image downloads...

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wagnerrp:

looks like 10–20ms per image across that

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cipher42:

is there a frontend to watch video from mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythweb can provide access to videos and recordings

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I certainly don't see that

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** kormoc ponders **

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: On Firefox locally, it took 40 seconds to render and display the preview images, it didn't render the html first. (I'm not trying to be an arse or be critical btw... please don't take it that way)

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cipher42:

but can you actually watch the video's in your browser?

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kormoc:

that really sounds like it's being buffered

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cipher42:

on the wiki it only talks of managing the recordings

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J-e-f-f-A:

Chrome actually seems to give preference to rendering the HTML page.

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wagnerrp:

no, it only provides access to the files, the flash player does not work on mythvideo content

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Shadow__X:

i am having trouble with storage groups and am not understanding what is going on. The video folders come up as expected in mythvideo but the images do not. information such as director and actor is present.

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Shadow__X:

within mythvideo if i go to edit metadata i can the coverart and fanart jpeg

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: The artwork support depends on the theme implementing it – is it possible you're using a theme that doesn't support it?

[17:05:19]

Shadow__X:

archlight

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J-e-f-f-A:

well, that should work I would think!

[17:05:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

permissions? I dunno... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

777

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cipher42:

how does mythweb know i am using a mobile device?

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cipher42:

different skin on my phone

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: your browser identifies itself as such.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: there's a 'reset template' link on the bottom of the main page – try selecting that if you've switched it to a 'desktop' identification.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: The setting is cached for each logon id (assuming you setup security for mythweb...)

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cipher42:

i did, but it never asked me for credentials

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: then it's not setup right... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: It should prompt you with "This page requires authentication"...

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cipher42:

how would i get the mobile skin back?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: if it pops you right in to mythweb, then the authentication mechanism isn't properly configured. (Or you've already logged in once)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: switch your mobile browser back to identify itself as a mobile device. And once you've setup authentication properly, ceate one id for your mobile device, and another for remote access from a pc.

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cipher42:

how do i identify it as mobile?

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cipher42:

in mythweb config?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: What did you do on your phone to make it appear as a 'desktop' browser?

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cipher42:

reset the template

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, well, then probably disconnect, then re-connect, but don't reset the template this time?

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cipher42:

yea, tried that..

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J-e-f-f-A:

That link was put there because if you accessed the page from a computer after accessing it from your phone, it would be 'stuck' in wap (mobile) mode.

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cipher42:

wait i see it

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: In that case, I'm not sure – the mythweb gurus would though... ;-)

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cipher42:

oh right, thanks

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EvilGuru:

Is there still a huge difference i bit-rate between freeview and freesat SD?

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tim:

i have a question: i compiled mythtv rev 25225 on windows – now everything is fine on my pentium pc .. but i cant use it on my amd pc .. what do i have to do to compile it more generic?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: any ideas why my images arent working?

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: check your frontend logs

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wagnerrp:

tim: chances are you compiled it with some specific '--march' that is preventing it from running on anything other than that one specific architecture

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wagnerrp:

perhaps some SSE2/SSSE optimizations

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the compile script took care of all the runtime dependencies on your one machine, but you are missing something on the other machines

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: thnanks by any chance do you know where the os x logs are

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wagnerrp:

no clue

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wagnerrp:

depends on the command line you used to run it

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tim:

win32-packager.pl is writen something about ./configure (...) --cpu=pentium (...), should i delete this?

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wagnerrp:

!seen xebozone

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MythLogBot:

xebozone has not been seen here

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Shadow__X:

6/30/10 6:12:10 PM[0x0–0x30e30e].net.psychosis.MythFrontend[6403]2010-06–30 18:12:10.918 Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Fanart@192.168.0.8:6543/19913_fanart.jpg

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Shadow__X:

does that mean the images wont scale correctly

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Shadow__X:

?

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sphery:

pretty sure it means the image won't load, so it can't scale, either

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wagnerrp:

that movie has a plot keyword 'sommer'

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wagnerrp:

someone needs to be shot over that

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kormoc:

it's a sommer romance movie?

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sphery:

when it comes to plots on TMDb, sommer good and some aint

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wagnerrp:

... apparently that someone is german

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Shadow__X:

heh

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kormoc:

DOS ET GOOTEN!

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sphery:

So today's lesson: computers like dust

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wagnerrp:

silly europeans, movie keywords are for english users

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wagnerrp:

the non-english language sections havent been implemented yet

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sphery:

Corollary to today's lesson: if you blow the dust out of a computer and you smell something cooking after turning it back on--and you're not cooking--it's a good time to shut down the computer

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Shadow__X:

agreed

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kormoc:

mai datas

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Shadow__X:

but what do i do to fix the fact non of my images are loading

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sphery:

fix your SG configuration

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sphery:

probably?

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wagnerrp:

addendum c: computers dont like snakes... http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-snake-pc2.htm

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

when that snake wakes up...

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Shadow__X:

sphery: how do i know whats wrong with it i have looked at logs and didnt see anything

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wagnerrp:

does that file exist in the Fanart storage group folder on machine 192.168.0.8?

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** sphery is glad that wagnerrp rescued him **

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sphery:

(I don't know how to go about diagnosing the issue)

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** wagnerrp escapes... to dinner **

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** sphery goes back to looking for a replacement motherboard **

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Shadow__X:

yes it does

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sphery:

and which machine is requesting it? same or different?

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Shadow__X:

different, the fe/be works with the images. every other fe doesnt

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sphery:

and 0.8 is running the backend?

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sphery:

and the user running mythbackend has permissions to the file and every directory leading up to it

[18:27:00]

Shadow__X:

0.8 is the backend yes and i believe so but i will double check

[18:27:32]

sphery:

make sure you check the backend logs for errors, too

[18:27:43]

sphery:

(and the frontend logs--both, really)

[18:32:14]

Shadow__X:

yeah this error cant help sg(videos) want to use my movie dir but this directory is not writeable

[18:32:32]

Shadow__X:

how do i give just that user write permissions

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Beirdo:

man chmod (assuming you aren't on 'doze)

[18:33:25]

Beirdo:

and chown if necessary

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: nope not on windows and i would rather just add it to the group

[18:33:43]

Shadow__X:

i already have permissions the way i like it

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Beirdo:

you still need to use chmod to give permissions

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Shadow__X:

really? even if everything is for example 774? and i were to add it to the group

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Shadow__X:

wouldnt the permissions be inherited

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Beirdo:

774... is using chmod

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Beirdo:

and 0774.

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Beirdo:

:)

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Shadow__X:

those are already set

[18:35:05]

Beirdo:

and the user's in the group owning the dir?

[18:35:25]

Beirdo:

after adding them, you have to log out and back in for it to be effective

[18:36:06]

Beirdo:

i.e. probably have to restart the backend or whatever after logging back in

[18:36:19]

Beirdo:

id -a

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Beirdo:

tis your friend

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: yup

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clever_:

.

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: i added mythtv to the appropriate user group as a secoundary group

[18:51:34]

Shadow__X:

and i am still getting the error on the frontend

[18:52:17]

Beirdo:

did you stop the backend, log out, relogin, restart the backend?

[18:52:38]

Beirdo:

and if the same machine is doing the frontend, probably can't hurt to bounce it too

[18:53:55]

Shadow__X:

Beirdo: i logged out but since i upgraded the nvidia driver i rebooted

[18:54:18]

Beirdo:

heh, well that would certainly restart things

[18:54:23]

Shadow__X:

yes

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Beirdo:

dunno right now

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Beirdo:

gotta go anyways

[18:54:38]

Shadow__X:

ok well thank you for the help

[18:54:51]

Beirdo:

good luck

[18:55:02]

Shadow__X:

thanks seems like i need it :)

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psm321:

hi everyone

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psm321:

what is the current "state of the art" with u-verse? is there anything beyond ir blaster and record the output from the box?

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Rebecca:

hey peoples

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Rebecca:

so, my myth frontend is going well.. and it's time for me to build a backend based on an ATHLON II X2 235e/ 2.70Ghz/ 2M/ AM3/ 45W CPU

[19:33:50]

Rebecca:

would that be sufficient to do HDTV commercial detection in a timely manner?

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Shadow__X:

well i know why i keep getting issues with storage groups and metadata

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Shadow__X:

the build of fe that i am running cant view .jpg

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Shadow__X:

on os x

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** Beirdo makes an Amazon Fresh order. **

[20:15:58]

Beirdo:

there. groceries to be delivered tomorrow after work. Muhahah

[20:16:26]

wagnerrp:

wait.... what...?

[20:16:33]

Beirdo:

you heard me :)

[20:16:48]

Beirdo:

Seattle++

[20:16:52]

wagnerrp:

i thought all those companies died out in the 90s

[20:16:56]

wagnerrp:

shortly after they opened

[20:16:59]

Beirdo:

Amazon died?

[20:17:01]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:17:06]

Shadow__X:

i think even shoprite had a pilot program with that

[20:17:25]

Beirdo:

I'm pretty sure they only offer this service in Seattle though

[20:18:20]

Beirdo:

We currently offer home delivery to a limited number of Seattle neighborhoods in the following zip codes:

[20:18:24]

Beirdo:

yup :)

[20:19:41]

Beirdo:

and for the automobile-challenged... :)

[20:21:13]

jams:

peapod is still delivering groceries. webvan is the one that went under.

[20:23:02]

xand:

all the major supermarkets do online ordering/delivery here

[20:26:04]

Brad-D:

that's cool. For some reason i thought they all went out of biz too

[20:26:57]

Beirdo:

there.

[20:27:05]

Beirdo:

I just added an AeroPress to my order

[20:27:12]

Beirdo:

so tired of office crap coffee

[20:29:35]

** sphery thinks #8630 just totally undoes the work markk has been doing on video rendering **

[20:30:16]

Beirdo:

well, then he might be a good person to judge the quality of it

[20:30:30]

Beirdo:

he has OSX, no?

[20:31:15]

Beirdo:

if we are using Qt wrong, it should get fixed if it's affecting stuff

[20:31:17]

sphery:

don't know for sure

[20:31:32]

Beirdo:

K. I dunno either :)

[20:32:21]

sphery:

I think the guy is saying that QTimer's aren't necessarily super reliable for timing (because of the whole sleep/timer accuracy thing)

[20:32:44]

Beirdo:

yeah, and it seems to be causing issues in his setup

[20:32:54]

sphery:

but one of the big requirements of the new OSD is that it's drawn in the UI loop, so video rendering has to be drawn in the UI loop

[20:33:16]

sphery:

so since that's a single thread, we can't create a new one or we leave the UI thread

[20:33:36]

Beirdo:

ahhh

[20:34:55]

sphery:

that's my simplified understanding of it all, so I won't be commenting on it

[20:34:58]

sphery:

I'll let someone else

[20:35:08]

Beirdo:

yup

[20:35:28]

Beirdo:

markk/gbee/whoever would know better than I for that stuff for sure

[20:35:30]

sphery:

unfortunately, though, it's not likely to make Mark happy if my read is right (i.e. "all that work you did--let's undo it")

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Beirdo:

heh

[20:35:45]

Beirdo:

he can just say "no" and close it

[20:36:15]

Beirdo:

and maybe we can look for a better way to fix it, etc.

[20:37:04]

Beirdo:

wow

[20:37:15]

Beirdo:

I can get a hard drive with my groceries?!

[20:37:18]

Beirdo:

Amazon++

[20:37:54]

Beirdo:

or an iPAQ 111 Classic

[20:38:02]

Beirdo:

snicker

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sphery:

Beirdo: you blew one up, too?

[20:48:06]

Beirdo:

yeah

[20:48:13]

sphery:

heh

[20:48:15]

Beirdo:

my Sempron 2800 is toast

[20:48:24]

sphery:

I'm thinking it's the mobo on mine

[20:48:46]

sphery:

I stuck the CPU (a 5050e 45W--one that's too precious to lose) in my dev box and am running on it right now

[20:48:51]

sphery:

so... I /think/ it works

[20:48:57]

Beirdo:

I think it's the mobo/ram/cpu... not sure which

[20:49:14]

sphery:

when I try to boot the mobo in the other system, I get nothing--no video, no video BIOS, no POST...

[20:49:19]

sphery:

not even a beep

[20:49:45]

Beirdo:

HEY. You leave my computer alone!

[20:49:48]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:49:54]

Beirdo:

mine's the same

[20:50:03]

Beirdo:

toasty borked...

[20:50:39]

sphery:

I blew the dust off the CPU HS/Fan and the PSU HS/Fan, then when I plugged it back it, I ran it for a while in console (exploding an image onto the hard drive), then rebooted, started up X, was getting things going, and I smelled something cooking. Didn't think much of it until my computer locked up.

[20:50:55]

Beirdo:

ah crap

[20:51:04]

sphery:

can't figure out what would have toasted it...

[20:51:11]

sphery:

dust getting somewhere it shouldn't?

[20:51:21]

sphery:

power connector partially unplugged?

[20:51:26]

sphery:

coincidence?

[20:51:30]

Beirdo:

we need to get a trebuchet and launch our dead computers at Microsoft HQ

[20:51:37]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[20:51:48]

sphery:

Mine just turned 1yr old 2 weeks ago

[20:51:52]

Beirdo:

wow

[20:51:55]

sphery:

yeah :(

[20:51:58]

Beirdo:

mine was... 6–7 years

[20:52:10]

Beirdo:

so more of a nuisance than anything

[20:52:12]

sphery:

no visible signs of damage to mobo

[20:52:19]

Beirdo:

yours still under warranty?

[20:52:23]

sphery:

I tried a new PSU with the same mobo and had the same result

[20:52:26]

Beirdo:

or 2 weeks out?

[20:52:49]

sphery:

3yr Manufacturer Limited Warrantee for parts and 2yr for Labor

[20:52:55]

Beirdo:

heheh

[20:52:57]

Shadow__X:

Beirdo: dont forget about the qt jpeg issue on os x

[20:52:57]

Beirdo:

worth a try

[20:53:09]

sphery:

but it was a cheap mobo ($55, but I'd assume there was a $10 to $20 MIR on it)

[20:53:11]

Beirdo:

Shadow__X: I don't have OS X

[20:53:24]

sphery:

and buying one new will get me up and running in < 1wk

[20:53:25]

Beirdo:

well, I DO, but not a machine to run it on

[20:53:30]

sphery:

trying to do the RMA...

[20:53:38]

Beirdo:

good luck :)

[20:53:40]

Shadow__X:

i gotcha

[20:53:44]

Beirdo:

I'm gonna head home.

[20:53:51]

Beirdo:

got mythweather to break...

[20:53:55]

Beirdo:

or mythgallery

[20:53:56]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:54:06]

sphery:

heh, cool

[20:54:08]

sphery:

later

[20:54:11]

Beirdo:

mythgallery needs some... breakage.

[20:54:20]

sphery:

I promise to stop breaking computers if you do, too

[20:54:33]

Beirdo:

some flickr and picasa breakage, in particular

[20:54:36]

sphery:

nice

[20:54:48]

Beirdo:

hehe, I promise to try to stop breaking em.

[20:54:50]

sphery:

gonna really get some use out of CM's work

[20:55:06]

Beirdo:

Yeah, I can't wait until that's in there working well

[20:55:19]

Beirdo:

mythweather can use it, so can the gallery

[20:55:23]

Beirdo:

big time

[20:55:33]

Beirdo:

and so can the icon importer

[20:55:34]

Brad-D:

have any of you guys installed HDpvrs latest firmware update?

[20:55:44]

Beirdo:

mine's 0x12

[20:55:52]

Beirdo:

dunno what's latest

[20:56:06]

Beirdo:

nor have I looked at how to update it :)

[20:56:11]

Brad-D:

looks like they released a new one 6/23/2010

[20:56:35]

Beirdo:

fun

[20:56:37]

Brad-D:

yeahi've been having some problems with my hd-pvr, because my cable provider likes to send audio a little after the video something, and it freaks the hdpvr out

[20:56:42]

Brad-D:

hope this solves it

[20:56:42]

Beirdo:

anyways... home :)

[20:56:46]

Brad-D:

night!

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Shadow__X:

anyone run a os x fe here and have metadata working?

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jst:

Simple question... If I make and install v4l-dvb drivers, then upgrade my kernel, can I simply "make install" the compiled drivers, or do I have to make rminstall, make, make install?

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Rebecca:

anyone?

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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jst:

What, my question? Seems like a pretty straight-forward one. :)

[21:40:53]

wagnerrp:

yes, a 235e should handle ATSC perfectly fine

[21:41:03]

Rebecca:

so, my myth frontend is going well.. and it's time for me to build a backend.. im thinking on based on an ATHLON II X2 235e/ 2.70Ghz/ 2M/ AM3/ 45W CPU. would this be sufficient for commercial detection in a timely manner?

[21:41:10]

Rebecca:

ahhh, cool

[21:41:41]

wagnerrp:

australia.... well thats different

[21:41:56]

wagnerrp:

it will handle commercial detection of HD mpeg2 in real time just fine

[21:42:10]

wagnerrp:

HD h264 may not work so well

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wagnerrp:

but it should still be relatively fast

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Rebecca:

should I be looking at a quadcore for the h264?

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether your broadcasters encode with slices

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wagnerrp:

if they dont slice the content, more cores wont make a bit of difference

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Rebecca:

wagnerrp: okay. interesting

[21:50:10]

wagnerrp:

that 2.7 A2 X2 should be able to handle maybe... 12mbps CABAC H264 per core

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Rebecca:

wagnerrp: so, doing commflagging in realtime is only important if i want to watch a show (and skip commercials) as soon as it's finished recording right?

[21:51:10]

Rebecca:

if im not in a hurry to watch something after recording, so the backend has ample time to commflag then, realtime isn't critical is it?

[21:51:32]

wagnerrp:

realtime commercial detection is only important if you want to watch a show as it is recording, and dont want to use the '<num> rightarrow' hotkey to skip manually

[21:52:17]

wagnerrp:

if you start playback immediately after the recording has finished, the commflagger will probably keep ahead of playback

[21:52:47]

Rebecca:

ahhhhhh, awesome

[21:53:02]

Rebecca:

okay, ill give the ATHLON II X2 235e/ 2.70Ghz/ 2M/ AM3/ 45W CPU a truy

[21:53:06]

Rebecca:

try*

[21:53:14]

Rebecca:

it's cheap and low power :)

[21:53:31]

Rebecca:

http://www.fudachi.com/product_125_27.php

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ^^^ may want to consider importing

[21:54:01]

Beirdo:

bleh

[21:54:18]

Rebecca:

Beirdo: ?

[21:54:29]

Beirdo:

oh, just a general statement :)

[21:54:35]

Rebecca:

ok :)

[21:55:00]

Beirdo:

time to relax a touch and then look at fixing/breaking mythweather some more

[21:55:59]

Beirdo:

hope gbee gets a chance to think about the animated gifs :)

[21:57:11]

Beirdo:

and I feel like getting snarky on the -users mailing list too

[21:58:01]

Beirdo:

YAY.

[21:58:10]

Beirdo:

Mariners shut out the Yanks 7–0

[21:58:39]

Beirdo:

a complete-game 2-hit game for Felix Hernandez

[21:58:44]

wagnerrp:

but... its the Yankees

[21:58:55]

wagnerrp:

they pay good money to win all those games

[21:59:00]

Beirdo:

he and Cliff Lee both... they are doing a LOT of complete games :)

[21:59:39]

Beirdo:

yah, dude... it's the Yankees! I love to see em lose

[22:00:03]

Beirdo:

they are 47–20. Mariners are 33–44

[22:00:30]

Beirdo:

but I guess the Yankees are asleep again

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: clearly the mpeg4 container, audio, and video codecs are dependent on mjpeg

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

what a totally ridiculous answer

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Beirdo:

Moooooo

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

Dirty Jobs... they got a cow with a hole in it (surgically) for studying how it digests food

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wagnerrp:

a hole that goes into one of its stomachs?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

just insanity

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Beirdo:

]hahah

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Beirdo:

he just stuck a camera in there

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Beirdo:

"Oh God, don't light a match!"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

heh, then they had camels humping

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Beirdo:

OOOK

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Beirdo:

what a fun show

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wagnerrp:

Lucasfilm ltd has filed a cease and desist order to Wicket Lasers to stop selling a 1W blue laser that looks vaguely like a light saber

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

George Lucas needs to get over himself

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wagnerrp:

of course a portable 1W laser is going to need a bit of girth for the batteries to power it

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wagnerrp:

and at that size, you may as well techie it up a bit

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wagnerrp:

and... instant lightsaber

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subone:

Everytime I start a video, no matter what application I use to play it, the screen goes black for a moment before it plays. Also, when I play a dvd the screen goes blank for a moment every time the chapter changes. Any help?

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wagnerrp:

what video card?

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subone:

Ati radeon 2600

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wagnerrp:

using the fglrx drivers?

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subone:

Prop drivers

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Beirdo:

propeller drivers?

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subone:

Proprietary?

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Beirdo:

so fglrx

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subone:

? Drivers downloaded from ati website

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Beirdo:

dunno the answer. nvidia is generally recommended anyways

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subone:

Why? I thought nvidia and ati were both pretty piss poor

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wagnerrp:

nvidia stuff works great

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wagnerrp:

dont know where you heard otherwise

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Beirdo:

maybe on ATI's site?

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wagnerrp:

ati stuff has only become decent within the last year or so

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wagnerrp:

youre actually lucky they even still support an ancient card like the 2600

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subone:

Ancient? It just came with my system. Dual head ati radeon hd 2600 xt for my dual screens... can you recommend something better?

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wagnerrp:

no, just a bit of commentary about how quickly ATI drops official support for even relatively new stuff

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Beirdo:

subone: sure... nvidia 9500 GT

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Beirdo:

I'm quite happy with mine

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Beirdo:

well, until there animated GIF support available... I think I'm done with mythweather for the moment

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subone:

Huh?

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Beirdo:

huh what?

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Beirdo:

maybe I should finish getting my hdpvr configured...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so I can record arbitrary channels

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Beirdo:

ooooh!

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Beirdo:

ubuntu, you putzes

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Beirdo:

no HD-PVR IR Transmitter support in lirc?

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Beirdo:

sigh

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[R]:

Beirdo: theres a ton of patches you gotta do to make it work

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Beirdo:

patches to what?

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[R]:

the kernel and lirc

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Beirdo:

the wiki seems to say that it's in lirc proper

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[R]:

where does it say that?

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Beirdo:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD-PVR

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Beirdo:

go to the bottom

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[R]:

yeah, i just glanced it

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[R]:

and it says you need patches

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[R]:

excetp for fedora

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Beirdo:

oh, I scrolled too far down?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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hot_wheelz:

correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there an auto backup feature in mythtv 0.23?

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hot_wheelz:

If so where can i find more info on it pls?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will automatically back up the database prior to upgrades of the schema

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can call the backup script it uses manually in a cron job

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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hot_wheelz:

Thx

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