Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, July 1st, 2010, 00:04 AST

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Beirdo:

oooook

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Beirdo:

tis barfing on the provided lircd.conf

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Beirdo:

grrrr

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Beirdo:

is lirc known to be .... bitchy... with 64 bit?

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Beirdo:

why yes, it is

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Beirdo:

crap

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Beirdo:

lirc--

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jya:

Beirdo: Never seen any difference with lirc between a 64 or 32 bits machine

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Beirdo:

try using raw codes that use all 32 bits :)

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Beirdo:

urgh!

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Beirdo:

so I'm hacking it :)

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Beirdo:

got it working

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Beirdo:

w00t

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Beirdo:

lirc_t should be unsigned int, not int

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Beirdo:

that fixed it

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Beirdo:

now I need a channel changing script that AIN'T /bin/true :)

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** sphery wonders what happened to all the channel change scripts in the wiki **

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts is all we have left

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Beirdo:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Change-channel-lirc.pl

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Beirdo:

somehow it's not linked

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Beirdo:

but search found it.

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sphery:

yeah, what's up with that

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Beirdo:

and I'm tweaking it to my liking

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Beirdo:

not sure

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sphery:

says it's in the cat

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Beirdo:

maybe it's the .pl?

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wagnerrp:

i see 14 in there

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wagnerrp:

how many do you expect?

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sphery:

hmmm

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** wagnerrp reminds sphery to log in **

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sphery:

it's the whole not-logged-in-user-versus-logged-in

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Beirdo:

gah

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Beirdo:

k

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sphery:

we have to fix the cache regeneration

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wagnerrp:

is that only a problem on category pages?

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wagnerrp:

can we just have it not cache category pages?

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sphery:

don't know about the "only" part but the rest is true :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

was also a problem with the nav bar--which seems wrong, too

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sphery:

there' purged the cache

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Beirdo:

hmmm, need to tweak ownership on /dev/lirc0

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

OK, no I don't

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** sphery tries to remember what to purge for the nav bar... **

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sphery:

there... I think I fixed it all

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sphery:

for today, at least

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

next update and not-logged-in-users are out of date, again

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sphery:

amazing how many new script categories there are after purging the cache

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

is that an admin-only task?

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sphery:

I did it as a logged out user, even

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sphery:

just add ?action=purge to the URI

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sphery:

then say OK

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wagnerrp:

good to know

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sphery:

I think as a logged in user it would only purge the logged-in-users' cache

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sphery:

but I don't know my mediawiki, so...

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Beirdo:

ahhh, I have a channel changing script ready

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Beirdo:

now to add it to the setup

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sphery:

and now you can see 13 scripts even without logging in: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts

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sphery:

much better than the 3 useless ones that were there before

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** Beirdo is happpppy :) **

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Beirdo:

tis workin

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Beirdo:

now I have... ONE working capture device :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

yay! congrats

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Beirdo:

the two backup ones (PVR-250) will need IR transmitters as well

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Beirdo:

which can wait

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Beirdo:

but now I can record whatever the heck I want... as long as I have no conflicts :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you are a jamu pro, right?

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Beirdo:

is the -MW mode safe to run in a cronjob?

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Beirdo:

or does it go interactive?

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wagnerrp:

no, but i can guess

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wagnerrp:

arent you running ubuntu?

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Beirdo:

I think someone said that mythbuntu does some of it in a cronjob.

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Beirdo:

I don't do mythbuntu

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Beirdo:

I run trunk

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

but yes, ubuntu 10.04 is the distro under the hood

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Beirdo:

I think I'll just try it :)

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sphery:

So, I was running 0.21-fixes with the smart-preview-pixmap patch because I needed to test it on a huge number of recordings. I just recently upgraded to 0.23-fixes, and I can tell I don't have that patch applied--I have a ton of bad previews.

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wagnerrp:

yes, -MW should be usable for cron

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Beirdo:

K, thanks. :)

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Beirdo:

I'll worry about mythvideo stuff later

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#Scheduled_and_Recorded

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Beirdo:

well, I have no videos in mythvideo

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Beirdo:

hence not worrying right now :)

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Beirdo:

* */12 * * *

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Beirdo:

I think twice a day should be fine for my uses

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Beirdo:

errr

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Beirdo:

0 */12

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Beirdo:

otherwise it'd be 120 times

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that would be so retarded

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Beirdo:

time to start loading up some programming

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Beirdo:

mythweb is a bit funky in the recording schedules page for me

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Beirdo:

it's double-showing a show, and missing another

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Beirdo:

the joy of using trunk I guess

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justinh:

heh showed some pics of the new theme to a non-believer – they think it looks very similar to their own freeview pvr UI. Didn't notice the artwork then

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justinh:

bleh. jamu got the metadata for the US version of life on mars

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wagnerrp:

heh, yeah

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justinh:

and er.. is Gene Hunt really played by Harvey Keitel?!

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wagnerrp:

thats one of the pre-programmed exceptions

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wagnerrp:

yep

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justinh:

!#

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Beirdo:

#!

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justinh:

this, I've got to see. somehow

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Beirdo:

#!/bin/true

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

it was a pretty good show

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wagnerrp:

right up until the last ten minutes or so of the last episode

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justinh:

I've not seen the end of S1 yet

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wagnerrp:

then they went and ruined the whole thing

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justinh:

or indeed anything past episode 3

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wagnerrp:

of ours? or yours?

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justinh:

ours

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wagnerrp:

ive heard yours has a similarly abysmal ending

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justinh:

seen 2 series of Ashes To Ashes though

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justinh:

hmm. so if Life On Mars has an exception in jamu.conf how come I'm seeing the US version of the fanart in my recordings?

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wagnerrp:

its pulling it for both

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wagnerrp:

since there are multiple entries for 'Life On Mars', the config file forcefully maps it to the US version

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justinh:

ah

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, it would give up and do nothing

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justinh:

right. so I just had to look it up myself, get the show id & add it to jamu.conf. simples!

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justinh:

should probably do that for another thing I've seen it mess up

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justinh:

Rich Man, Poor Man subtitle: Ben Dover Straightens != Irvin Shaw's 'Rich Man Poor Man'

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justinh:

wonder if this Project Canvas thing is going to include support/an API for artwork

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justinh:

be pretty nifty if it did

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justinh:

hmm, they could also promote shows with that too. I really hope they do some outside the box thinking on this

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Beirdo:

wow. Captain_Murdoch rules

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I guess I'll have to start messing with using MythDownloadManager support now :)

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Beirdo:

via MythUIImage. ahhh

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justinh:

ruh-roh. I can see that being misinterpreted ;)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I was thinking it would be ready to try for the weekend if I were lucky

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Beirdo:

seems it's committed

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Beirdo:

now between gbee and Captain_Murdoch ... maybe I'll see animated GIF support in there too... and I can really fix the animated maps too

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Beirdo:

when things get moving, man can they sometimes move fast :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Happy Canada Day...

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Beirdo:

and good night

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** justinh adds a polite note to the doggy training club website reminding people it's run by volunteers in their spare time. i.e. if you don't get an immediate response to yer email, do not flood them with repeat emails, idiots **

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Beirdo:

as a coworker said (in a different context)... stupid git

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

thank you Linus for making our lives more entertaining

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Beirdo:

night

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justinh:

I've been appalled by the sheer lack of manners in the emails we get. and the sheer stupidity – everything is on the site and yet folks still ask for the info which is right there in front of them on the first page. grrr

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justinh:

night Beirdo

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blizzard_:

2010-07–01 12:07:59.673 MythSocket(7ffbd0062e90:56): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (941 errors)

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blizzard_:

what does that mean?

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blizzard_:

got an even flow in myu logfiles

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blizzard_:

restarts the backend process and I get rid of the message for a couple of hours, up to one day

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justinh:

last time I googled that for you the result was inconclusive but everybody getting it seems to be running ubuntu's pre-release 0.23 packages

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blizzard_:

ok

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blizzard_:

im running debian

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blizzard_:

version 0,23

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justinh:

yeah but I'm saying the '0.23' packages were actually from before 0.23 was released

[06:17:26]

blizzard_:

yap

[06:17:36]

blizzard_:

v0.23 debian stable amd 64

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blizzard_:

frontend is running ubuntu tho

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blizzard_:

but the error messages are from the debian backend

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justinh:

mythbackend --version. let's see

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blizzard_:

http://pastebin.org/369980

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blizzard_:

its the only IO against 2TB sata2 drive

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blizzard_:

without fragmentation

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justinh:

older than -fixes then by the look of it

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blizzard_:

mm

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blizzard_:

possible

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blizzard_:

stable goes stable and only patched for security reasons more or less

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blizzard_:

-fixes

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blizzard_:

is there a changelog?

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justinh:

you can read the commits log

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7793

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the-FoX:

what does the message "swScaler: vdpau_h264 is not supported as input pixel format" on mythfrontend mean?

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the-FoX:

i am using version 0.23, video 1080p stutters, before in 0.22 it works great :(

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the-FoX:

there are also messages like that: "myth_sws_img_convert: Cannot initialize the image conversion context"

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the-FoX:

anyone can help me figuring out the problem?

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rileyp:

has anyone got a hd-pvr working with 0.23

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justinh:

not you, would be my first guess :)

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rileyp:

Im not trying to just intersted to know Hi Justinh

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justinh:

of course people have got those things working :)

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justinh:

unlikely there'll be any in here taking into account what time of day it is

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rileyp:

these devices such as the hd-pvr etc connect to to the myth pc via firewire?

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justinh:

usb2

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rileyp:

ah ok

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metalfan_:

hi

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rileyp:

and its detetcted as say a s hd home run or a hd-pvr etc and trhat is the capture card you add in myth

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metalfan_:

ive just found mythvideo installed it and it shows up in mythfrontend. ive added a directory that contains some movie files..but after that they are not displayed below "watch videos" – why is that?

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rileyp:

you need to scan for changes press w

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justinh:

rileyp: no, not detected. like no other capture devices are 'detected' by mythtv. the user *adds* them

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metalfan_:

rileyp, where, it does nothing in the "watch videos" window

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justinh:

and scanning for changes can be instigated by pressing MENU (M on the keyboard) and selecting the 'scan for changes' item

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justinh:

simples!

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rileyp:

yes ok as long as they are in dmesg they will appear as /de/frontend/blah blah under teh nominated device under capture cards

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rileyp:

press m in the watch videos folder

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rileyp:

then scan for changes

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rileyp:

Does that sound better Justinh

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justinh:

not really

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justinh:

you only repeated what I just said, and added wrongness :)

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rileyp:

i didnt read what you typed before I hit return......

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justinh:

shout out the words faster, or hire a faster secretary

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rileyp:

i just thought about it a bit longer w is to update the pictures etc

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rileyp:

Is it true to say you can only record 1 channel at a time with a hd-pvr connected to a cable box in mythtv?

[09:06:31]

justinh:

yes

[09:07:02]

justinh:

and to record more than one, you need multiple cable boxen & HD-PVR

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rileyp:

and the channel has to be selected by ir blasting the stb

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justinh:

myers

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rileyp:

?? myers

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justinh:

YES

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rileyp:

ok Im gettting a small grip on this and its all a little sad for those that have cable

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justinh:

no, the cable companies are what makes it all a little sad for those that have cable

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rileyp:

I suppose the fact that cable channels repat shows often allows one to record most show that one would want anyway?

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justinh:

dunno, there's nothing on cable worth paying for over here

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justinh:

if you don't want to watch wall to wall straight to disc movies & sports...

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rileyp:

Well i agree in australia it over priced for reruns of 1950 -90 shows

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hashbang:

justinh: the good stuff makes it onto Terrestrial eventually

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rileyp:

with a bit of sport thrown in

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blizzard_:

justinh: ah, tnx. seems like you've found my defect =)

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justinh:

blizzard_: what – that you can't put the error message into google & click 'search' ?

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blizzard_:

ticket you posted describes it very well

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justinh:

;-)

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blizzard_:

haha

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blizzard_:

well, I did a lot of googling

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blizzard_:

but seems like you googled the right spots =)

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justinh:

I copied the text you pasted & googled that

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blizzard_:

all I got was that they experienced it with wireless, with lotsa IO on disk etc... =/

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blizzard_:

google favours you ;)

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justinh:

I have no answer to that

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, why do some drivers report the inverse signal strength, so 100 – signal

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justinh:

just because they can!

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justinh:

nah – it depends how the signal level is monitored on the card apparently

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justinh:

sometimes it's the voltage of the automatic gain control in the tuner. other times it's something else

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justinh:

so more gain = less signal = bigger number

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justinh:

or not

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J-e-f-f-A:

EvilGuru: Because from what I understand, there's no 'standard' on how it has to be reported by the card. It's the driver's responsibility to convert that to a 'human readable' value...

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justinh:

yeah driver devs I've spoke to on the subject have implied they can't standardise how it's reported because it's not measured a standard way

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justinh:

seems daft to me though. work one way or the other – not both

[10:27:26]

justinh:

the user needn't have to know how the numbers work. they'd only ever be a general indication at best anyway

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justinh:

so make 0000 worst & FFFF best .. ah but no

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justinh:

dunno if anybody's actually sent patches to correct it.. be interesting to see what'd happen

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Dassu:

what is the status on embedded mkv subtitles on 0.23

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wagnerrp:

bitmapped subtitles work just fine

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Dassu:

in other words subs dont always work

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wagnerrp:

when you rip your dvds, if you just multiplex in the bitmapped subs straight off the dvd, without going through the tedious OCR process, they work fine

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bobodan:

hi guys ... does anyone uses minimyth as frontend and mythbuntu 10.4 as backend?

[10:52:59]

bobodan:

i've got some problems with the database sheme ... ;(

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wagnerrp:

should work just fine

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wagnerrp:

assuming the two are running the same version of mythtv

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bobodan:

oh i tried ...

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wagnerrp:

run 'mythbackend --version' on both

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bobodan:

thanks i will do that ... ;)

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bobodan:

trying to find that little bug ... :D

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bobodan:

oh I'm sorry ... it works ... tryed it last night with an error ... maybe the goblins does it work .. ;)

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sphery:

Beirdo: Heh, seems I was right about #8630. Glad markk commented on it.

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wagnerrp:

soon theyll be asking for built in support for rar archives... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13403 . . . ng-nzbs.html

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degrade:

Does anybody knows whats the board that has largest number of inputs?

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degrade:

I'm building a ultra recording system.

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wagnerrp:

board... as in capture card?

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degrade:

wagnerrp: yeap

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degrade:

like hauppauge, or any other similar

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wagnerrp:

ive seen some CCTV DVR cards with as much as 16 inputs

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** sphery just saw a 16-way MPEG-encoder board with GNU/Linux drivers **

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sphery:

but, yeah, it's for CCTV

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degrade:

uau

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sphery:

Bluecherry

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sphery:

don't even know if the drivers are V4L or not (if not, useless for MythTV)

[11:43:36]

degrade:

wagnerrp: works with hauppauge?

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure it didnt do audio, or at least didnt do 32 channels of audio

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degrade:

sorry

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degrade:

works with mythtv?

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sphery:

http://www.bluecherrydvr.com/2010/06/16/bluec . . . -driver-gpl/

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degrade:

wagnerrp: I need audio and video :|

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sphery:

again, if it's not V4L, it doesn't work with MythTV

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wagnerrp:

no clue, just providing the hypothetical 'largest number of inputs'

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sphery:

if it is V4L, it could be made to work

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degrade:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

what you likely want is PVR-500's for SDTV

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wagnerrp:

if you want usable, youre probably looking at a dual tuner card

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sphery:

yeah, 500 is dual tuner

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wagnerrp:

or theres a handful of dual tuners for digital

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wagnerrp:

the -500 is the only one you would want to consider for analog use

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sphery:

right, but digital only for unencrypted digital, too (as the only encoder for HDTV is a single-input)

[11:45:12]

degrade:

let me see PVR-500

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sphery:

which is what wagnerrp just said :)

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degrade:

wagnerrp: I will record 64 inputs

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sphery:

on the bluecherry: "While we have a few features we still plan to add to the driver along with the Video4Linux API, but it's close enough that we feel comfortable releasing the driver to the community"

[11:46:06]

wagnerrp:

WTF are you going to do with 64 inputs?

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wagnerrp:

i hope youre not planning on any single computer being able to manage that

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sphery:

degrade: you'll almost definitely need to a) use a bunch of backends due to PCI limitations and b) figure out how to make the scheduler scale to that level yourself :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and what quality??? ^yeah.

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degrade:

wagnerrp: A company that do clipping ins hiring me to build this system.

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wagnerrp:

doesnt Sage build systems specifically for that purpose?

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J-e-f-f-A:

what is 'clipping ins' ?

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** sphery wonders how much of the consulting fee wagnerrp will be getting... **

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degrade:

J-e-f-f-A: DVD quality (~4M)

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degrade:

wagnerrp: Sage?

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degrade:

J-e-f-f-A: A way to sell pieces of videos to companys

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degrade:

companies

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wagnerrp:

no, snapstream

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J-e-f-f-A:

degrade: Yeah, ok... /me thinks you need to look into commercial security monitoring DVRs...

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wagnerrp:

http://www.snapstream.com/enterprise

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wagnerrp:

exactly what youre looking for

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sphery:

ah, yeah, snapstream

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sphery:

was looking for that link in my logs

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degrade:

nowadays I'm doing this with 8 inputs, distributed in 2 servers with two inputs boards (hauppauge)

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degrade:

wagnerrp sphery thanks

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degrade:

the question is

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J-e-f-f-A:

So you already have two systems with two PVR-500's each working now?

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degrade:

I've made a php system that the users it's able to edit (cut only) the pieces of the whole video that he wants to get.

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders what this has to do with MythTV... **

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degrade:

integrated with mythtv... that's why in interested to do this with mythtv

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sphery:

Yeah, I'd think you'd want to just use a less-resource-intensive scheduler

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wagnerrp:

mythtv was designed as a personal use DVR

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sphery:

i.e. if you're always recording 64 channels, use dd

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wagnerrp:

it was never intended for the use scenario your talking

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degrade:

wagnerrp: Yes, but I've made a professional use of it :)

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wagnerrp:

and so we have no experience on how it will function

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wagnerrp:

on that scale

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J-e-f-f-A:

ie: like a kick-a** teevo, not what you want to use it for...

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sphery:

"mythbackend still eats memory" ;)

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degrade:

wagnerrp: that's why I'm here... trying to figure out a solution :)

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sphery:

dd

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degrade:

sphery: May be, the question is, the memory isn`t the problem.

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sphery:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/recordings/channel-6.mpg bs=4M

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wagnerrp:

well that snapstream will probably go exactly what you want... for a price

[11:53:15]

sphery:

I'm saying at 64 inputs the scheduler will likely be the problem

[11:53:20]

wagnerrp:

if you want to adapt mythtv to do it, youve got a lot of work on your hands

[11:53:32]

sphery:

the question is whether you or the snapstream is more expensive

[11:53:41]

sphery:

:)

[11:53:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and it sounds like he doesn't want to record them with Myth, but import clips generated by this 64-camera DVD-quality recording system into MythTV...

[11:54:00]

degrade:

wagnerrp: lol, the price it's expensive.

[11:54:18]

sphery:

did you find a price posted?

[11:54:21]

sphery:

I've been wondering

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degrade:

wagnerrp: Mythtv works well for a cheapest price :D

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degrade:

http://www.snapstream.com/enterprise/buynow/default.aspx

[11:54:47]

wagnerrp:

sphery: youve got to give contact information for a real price

[11:55:01]

wagnerrp:

they just say 'starting at $12K'

[11:55:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

... so you've been paid lots of $$$ to deliver a system, and you figure the free, open-source MythTV is the best use of that $?

[11:55:43]

sphery:

yeah, likely when you get 64-inputs, it's not $12K times (64 / <4 to 10 tuners>)

[11:55:48]

degrade:

J-e-f-f-A: Why not?

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degrade:

J-e-f-f-A: This is the way, geting a good money with this project I'm able to help the project with founds... As I do in other projects.

[11:57:33]

degrade:

As I told you, I've made a system that works with 8 channels...

[11:57:46]

wagnerrp:

i wonder where snapstream sources their capture cards, theyre just using -500s

[11:57:54]

degrade:

It's working for 3 years,

[11:57:59]

degrade:

without problem

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wagnerrp:

degrade: as sphery mentioned, the problem is the scheduler does not scale linearly

[11:58:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

degrade: so now you want to expand it to 64? And what's mythtv's role again?

[11:58:38]

degrade:

snapstream sounds good... but Image the price, 6*12k (or more)

[11:58:50]

wagnerrp:

8x the tuners is going to consume far more than 8x the power

[11:58:59]

sphery:

degrade: likely when you go above the base, the price drops per tuner

[11:59:08]

degrade:

wagnerrp: Yes, but I'm able to record in a separeted way.

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sphery:

i.e. you contact them and they give you a proper quote

[11:59:31]

sphery:

and all scheduling is done by a single system

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degrade:

sphery: Hmmm.. yes

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degrade:

sphery: I`ll do this

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sphery:

(2 are involved if you have MySQL on a separate host)

[12:00:06]

degrade:

thank you guys, I'm do some research.

[12:00:06]

degrade:

i'll do.

[12:00:27]

degrade:

sphery: Yes...

[12:00:38]

sphery:

degrade: it's not that we're saying we wouldn't appreciate someone with funds helping improve MythTV--mainly that this isn't really what MythTV is designed for

[12:00:50]

wagnerrp:

they dont give a price for their 50-tuner demo box

[12:00:50]

degrade:

I'm my actual system it's all separeted, I've made a centralizer

[12:00:57]

justinh:

wonder why nobody is ever convincing enough when people want to do stuff mythtv isn't suited for

[12:01:01]

sphery:

and, likely, cron + dd would be a much-lower-resource approach for the do-it-yourself box

[12:01:09]

sphery:

and infinitely scalable

[12:01:17]

justinh:

no matter what anybody ever says, no-one is ever convinced :)

[12:01:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Well, I get the impression he's doing recording via another method, then extracting clips that he wants to import into MythVideo... but still...

[12:02:05]

sphery:

degrade: and for breaking the shows up into pieces, you can do that with dd... just kill one dd and start another at the appropriate times (thus cron)

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J-e-f-f-A:

64 tuners?

[12:02:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

eek... and I thought I was doing good with 6 on one box...

[12:02:38]

degrade:

I now that the main idea of this project isn`t to earn money. the idea it's another... This actitud to contribute with opensource projects it's a personal actitude that I've.

[12:02:44]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: 6 in dual-tuner devices?

[12:02:56]

sphery:

i.e. so 3 physical devices?

[12:03:00]

degrade:

sphery: Nowadays I'm using mythtv and ffmpeg to snap, all it's working perfectly

[12:03:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: No, a pair of HD-PVRs and 2 HDHR's... ;-)

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degrade:

J-e-f-f-A: :)

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justinh:

if all you're doing is continuously recording 64 sources at the same time you don't even need a scheduler

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wagnerrp:

with a couple days of effort, you could set up a recording daemon that would manage all the tuners in a single box

[12:03:39]

degrade:

Does anybody using USB cards?

[12:03:46]

wagnerrp:

run it on multiple boxes, store it to a shared SAN

[12:03:47]

sphery:

ah... was wondering... with PCI limitations just wondered how you fit it all

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degrade:

justinh: Yes... I don`t need a schedulers.

[12:04:13]

wagnerrp:

by the end of a week, you could tie in guide data, and have a crude web page up for access

[12:04:18]

sphery:

justinh: +1

[12:04:24]

justinh:

when do the people advising you get paid? ;)

[12:04:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Oh wait, I've got a 7th tuner... a PVR-250 with an IPTV STB feeding it... ;-)

[12:04:41]

sphery:

and even if you want it broken at the top of the hour, you can cut it with cron or whatever

[12:04:55]

degrade:

wagnerrp: With PCI i've the limits ... and with USB?

[12:04:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

my paypal account is.... send.me.the.money@paypal.com ... ;-)

[12:04:59]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: heh, nice

[12:05:06]

wagnerrp:

with USB, you have much worse limits

[12:05:12]

wagnerrp:

USB sucks for bulk data transfer

[12:05:16]

sphery:

especially on reliability (IMHO)

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justinh:

and not just per port

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wagnerrp:

and the recording devices will be far more expensive

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degrade:

J-e-f-f-A: lol

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sphery:

USB3 will be much better--without the polling

[12:05:38]

wagnerrp:

better and cheaper to just buy more recording computers

[12:05:52]

degrade:

wagnerrp: throuhtput

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sphery:

but I'll still stick with reliable over USB

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justinh:

besides, say you find a motherboard with 5 or 6 PCI slots.. that's 2x PVR500 cards per slot... 5 or 6 machines

[12:06:06]

wagnerrp:

what about throughput?

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** J-e-f-f-A bought a USB3/SATA6 combo card but it didn't like his 'puter so it went back to the store... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... sata3/6Gbps card... ;-)

[12:06:52]

wagnerrp:

PCI has several times the realistic throughput of USB2

[12:06:54]

degrade:

justinh: Yes, this is the idea...

[12:07:08]

justinh:

so just do it already. you don't want mythtv for this

[12:07:10]

sphery:

yeah, new tech into old is always a challenge

[12:07:33]

sphery:

I have a PCI SATA card that doesn't like my new 2TB WD Green HDD

[12:07:42]

sphery:

(works fine with my 2TB Seagate)

[12:07:46]

degrade:

justinh: Using DD or something like?

[12:07:51]

wagnerrp:

you can pick up industrial motherboards that have modern processors with lots of PCI slots

[12:08:00]

justinh:

degrade: using whatever. you're the one being paid to do it

[12:08:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

... or even PCIe -> 4x PCI slot adapters... (a 'toaster' sized external box)

[12:08:43]

degrade:

justinh: sorry

[12:08:46]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: but those are hugely expensive

[12:09:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: but cheaper than the Snapstream... ;-)

[12:09:14]

wagnerrp:

less expensive than just buying more servers to hold the cards

[12:09:26]

wagnerrp:

erm... less expensive to just buy...

[12:09:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[12:09:50]

sphery:

especially if servers are chosen appropriately for low-power usage

[12:10:04]

sphery:

(though the capture devices will still eat a lot of juice)

[12:10:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Let me guess... you want to run these on ATOM processors too? ;-)

[12:10:14]

** justinh wonders if there's an IRC channel where he can ask people how to do his own job... **

[12:10:15]

sphery:

as would 64 of anything

[12:10:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: +10 !!!!

[12:10:46]

sphery:

I wish the IRC channel told me that my computer was frying yesterday before it finished frying...

[12:10:57]

justinh:

oof

[12:10:58]

johnnyj:

sphery: what happenned?

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degrade:

justinh: What's me problem? I'm doing something wrong? or illegal?

[12:11:33]

Dassu:

:(( it is always as sad to see your friend burning to death

[12:11:55]

johnnyj:

sphery: you know they run on smoke

[12:11:57]

sphery:

johnnyj: I blew the dust out of the system, brought it back in, exploded a HDD image, started X, and smelled something cooking. About a minute later, I realized it was something in the computer that was cooking when my entire system locked up then the mobo died...

[12:11:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I had a hdd do that over the weekend... puff of white/grey smoke came off of the control board, and I thought "That can't be good!"...

[12:12:21]

sphery:

seems the moral of the story is never take away the dust your CPU heat sink has carefully gathered over the last year

[12:12:28]

johnnyj:

indeed

[12:12:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

... At least it was just one of a 200GB mirror pair, so I didn't lose anything, but *ugh* – that was my OS/DB mirror raid set!!!

[12:13:13]

johnnyj:

y'all don't know from dust – I live in Texas

[12:13:55]

sphery:

then while trying to figure out whether I burned up the mobo or the CPU, I swapped CPUs with another system, and seems I bent a pin on one of the CPUs--which resulted in breaking the CPU.

[12:13:58]

johnnyj:

you have to blow the air duster in one hand and have the vacuum wand in the other...

[12:14:14]

justinh:

degrade: no unsoliticed PMs please. It's bad IRC manners

[12:14:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've cleaned dust from friend's PC's before and gave them a ziplock baggie full of what was removed... Pretty nasty when the pc was in the home of a couple of chain smokers...

[12:14:36]

sphery:

moral of that story is don't do CPU swaps when something just blew up because you may get careless

[12:14:49]

johnnyj:

oh! – reminds me of a recent SATA snafu

[12:14:51]

wagnerrp:

you couldnt bend the pins back?

[12:14:54]

sphery:

(bent pin -> broken pin -> broken CPU)

[12:14:58]

justinh:

degrade: but yes, in public... when you say you're doing something for an employer and want help – it kind of goes against the grain – open source or not

[12:15:07]

sphery:

it broke when I was bending it back

[12:15:19]

wagnerrp:

ah, whoops... WARRANTY!

[12:15:26]

sphery:

these 1200+ pin CPUs are very touchy

[12:15:27]

johnnyj:

J-e-f-f-A: make it 3 chain smoers and a large dog

[12:15:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I've done that once or twice... but not for the last few years...

[12:15:38]

johnnyj:

J-e-f-f-A: (not at my house)

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sphery:

heh, well, it's not the manufacturer's fault

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wagnerrp:

1200?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: once I repaired a cpu by carefully soldering a new 'pin' on there... ;-) That was delicate work.

[12:16:19]

sid3windr:

woah

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: heh I had to do that on a Sparc CPU once. nasty

[12:16:25]

johnnyj:

they are serious about the 'Z' in zif socket

[12:16:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

(think a little spiral on the top of the wire, soldered to what was left of the broken pin.)

[12:16:46]

justinh:

we didn't use ZIF sockets :-\

[12:17:07]

johnnyj:

not properly anyway 9-)

[12:17:17]

wagnerrp:

i dont know whats with all of your weak crap processors

[12:17:31]

wagnerrp:

ive yanked out 939 chips at work by their heatsink before, no damage

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degrade:

justinh: My apologizes, I'm not this kind of person as you mentioned. If I'm being incovenient I won't ask more about this. However I thought that this channel, opensource or not, was to help any kind of problem and persons.

[12:18:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

The pin that broke was probably aluminum or something, with gold plating... aluminum snaps easy.

[12:18:06]

sphery:

anyway, the real slap in the face is that newegg had a Regor 250 + pretty nice no-graphics mobo (perfect for mythfrontend box) for $79.99 combo after $20 MIR and had a promo code "MBTEN" for 10% off ($7 off)--making it $72. Of course, when I put the stuff in my cart, the promo worked fine. When I clicked to check out, the "expires June 30" promo code was invalid. They should really say, "Expires sometime on June 30th after 8pm but before midnight ...

[12:18:13]

sphery:

... EDT."

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sphery:

I want my $7

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johnnyj:

degrade: no there's a couple rules

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johnnyj:

sphery: those ba$terd$

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sphery:

er, $73

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** sphery can't do math without his burned up computer **

[12:20:10]

sphery:

it's still a good deal without the $7, but I feel like the kid in those bank commercials where they promise one thing and give the kid something else

[12:20:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: They make these things called 'calculators' if your briain is malfunctioning... Heck, most cell phones have one built-in now too... ;-) hehehehehehe

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johnnyj:

i love those commercials

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sphery:

heh

[12:20:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

what are these things called "commercials" you guys are talking about?

[12:21:00]

johnnyj:

one of the few I wind up seeing since I watch morning news (although not actually live I often forget to hit skip)

[12:21:07]

sphery:

they're the things that play in the background when you go to get food from the kitchen

[12:21:14]

johnnyj:

exactly

[12:21:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, I guess that's what happens when my box flashes "Skip 3:34"

[12:21:49]

sphery:

They put a time limit on my snack runs...which is pretty important for getting through the show.

[12:22:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: your 'pause' button is broken? ;-)

[12:22:10]

sphery:

if I pause then skip, I might spend too long in the kitchen

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

[12:22:23]

johnnyj:

i had to start recording Morning Express with Robin Meade since if I didn't Star Trek TNG would end up getting recorded when I wanted to use that tuner

[12:22:32]

sphery:

come back with a nice slice of freshly-made cheesecake 4 hours later

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johnnyj:

which is actually great since I can start recording at 5am and get up at 615 and have plenty of queue'd prog to skip the commercials

[12:23:08]

sphery:

lol, that's an interesting way of reserving a tuner :)

[12:23:42]

sphery:

oh, and to make the newegg thing worse... they have a new 10% off mobos code--MBJULY that's for this month

[12:23:52]

sphery:

but the combo deal isn't valid anymore

[12:23:55]

johnnyj:

well it actually trained the other half to start expecting to skip commercials and the live tv is getting less and less popular

[12:23:56]

sphery:

so I can't cancel

[12:24:11]

sphery:

johnnyj: cool, a success store

[12:24:14]

sphery:

story

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Call them – they'll probably honor that...

[12:24:42]

johnnyj:

we are both looking forward to multiple bookmarks, btw

[12:24:59]

sphery:

I've been trying to decide whether to call them... I'll go for it.

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degrade:

thank you guys...

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** J-e-f-f-A *whew* **

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sphery:

I guess if it works, I'll have to send $3.50 J-e-f-f-A's way

[12:25:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehehehehe... ;-)

[12:25:41]

johnnyj:

don't you have to subtract what your time is worth on the phone call?

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sphery:

heh, not today... I can't do myth dev (my myth dev box is now repurposed until I get the parts), and can't work on the project I was working on, so I won't be accomplishing much.

[12:26:50]

** J-e-f-f-A still doesn't understand what he was building that required 64 channels of DVD-quality recording that could be exported to MythTV... **

[12:27:10]

sphery:

though I'm considering rebooting into the dev box and doing local dev on it... which would be the first time I've ever done that.

[12:28:35]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: I think the company sells information to other companies, like, "Yes, the commercial you paid for aired at 6:23pm and was aired properly without overlays or ..." or maybe sells clips for news stories or whatever so the news channel doesn't have to deal with that part?

[12:29:06]

sphery:

at least that's what I think the users of that snapstream box do with it

[12:29:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Humm... ok... just seems odd...

[12:29:42]

sphery:

yeah... I agree

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johnnyj:

i didn't even read all of it

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johnnyj:

im supposed to be getting alot done at work today so I can goof off tomorrow but I keep running into issues that other teams have to handle – days like this make me miss being the only admin

[12:31:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, you're right, more like 900+ for pins... :)

[12:31:32]

johnnyj:

well – they make me miss having root access

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sphery:

still, lots of pins

[12:32:06]

wagnerrp:

the opterons and core-i chips are all 1k+, but core2 and amd consumer stuff is stull under

[12:32:12]

johnnyj:

if you bend a bunch of them you can use a drivers license to line them back up

[12:32:33]

sphery:

yeah, I didn't know for sure where it was at, but it looked like a lot

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: companies can buy *real* video archival machines for the kind of app he was after

[12:33:00]

justinh:

but they ain't cheap

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sphery:

wonder if the BGA is more or less reliable than pins for CPU switching...

[12:33:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I figured as much...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you cant switch chips with BGA connections

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sphery:

not a big deal--only the first time I've ever broken a pin since 1990, so...

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wagnerrp:

not without thermal blankets and a heat gun

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sphery:

I thought they used a BGA design for one of the Intel chips and had some spring-based connection to allow removal/reinsertion

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wagnerrp:

BGA, ball grid array... youve got balls of solder on that get soldered onto a contact point on the board

[12:35:17]

wagnerrp:

its more or less permanent

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wagnerrp:

thats what DDR2/3 memory uses

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justinh:

consider BGA permanent

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: yeah, and lots of data too... Heck it's probably 1.5MB/sec per tuner at 720x480 MPEG2...

[12:35:36]

wagnerrp:

youre thinking of LGA, land grid array

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justinh:

for all it can be reworked a couple of times, BGA *is* effectively permanent

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sphery:

ah, LGA...

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justinh:

had to rework a CCGA chip once. oh boy. never again, I hope

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J-e-f-f-A:

There was one company that would retrofit Xbox's with BGA celerons with a socket for a PIII chip IIRC – at 1.2Ghz...

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justinh:

half hour job with the right (expensive) gear

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sphery:

heh, cool

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wagnerrp:

there was some company that was hard-jailbreaking iphones like that

[12:38:15]

sphery:

how's that work?

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justinh:

heh I never did get around to upgrading the ram on my egg box

[12:38:18]

wagnerrp:

they would pull off the BGA BIOS chip, reflash it, and solder it back on

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sphery:

just remove some TPA module?

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J-e-f-f-A:

... imho, that would have been great for a myth frontend, if it could have > 64MB ram! (or even > 128MB ram)... ;-)

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sphery:

ah, cool

[12:39:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

(well, for that time period anyways... nowadays forget it with h.264 and mpeg4!!!)

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justinh:

xbox could almost play 720P mpeg2 smoothly

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wagnerrp:

well for that time period, im sure it would have been cheaper to build that 256MB 1.2GHz P3 than retrofit an old xbox

[12:40:08]

justinh:

wagnerrp: true, but the xbox is marginally less fugly than a PC

[12:40:18]

wagnerrp:

thats a matter of opinion

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sphery:

when it first came out the XBox hardware was cheap, but by the time they'd cracked it so you could run Linux on it, it was expensive for the hardware.

[12:40:31]

justinh:

compared to the PC cases of the time..

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wagnerrp:

well... i might agree with that

[12:41:05]

wagnerrp:

of course i still prefer to just bolt the parts right onto the back of the entertainment center

[12:41:12]

wagnerrp:

problem solved, no visible PC

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Hehehe... Yeah... ;-)

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sphery:

I put them in a different room and run cables through the wall... problem solved, no visible (or audible) PC.

[12:42:05]

sphery:

and wow, are my Myth boxes ugly.

[12:42:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Mine aren't ugly, but aren't silent either... ;-)

[12:43:14]

johnnyj:

my revo frontend is entirely masked by the 50" plasma it serves

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johnnyj:

but the STB and HDPVR sitting next to the MBE in the computer room are a little messy but effective

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wagnerrp:

hehe.... can i install mythtv on Damn Vulnerable Linux?

[12:44:15]

sphery:

is that a nickname for DSL?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.com

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sphery:

.org

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sphery:

maybe?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that

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sphery:

heh, so some sort of honeypot distro?

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johnnyj:

it's on the rebound?

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wagnerrp:

hey, maybe CAINE supports image enhancement, that will make my 480i recordings look like 19382p

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sphery:

ah, that explains /usr/share/Alanis_Morissette et al

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johnnyj:

ZING

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think I'll build my next frontend with this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 87-_-Product

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johnnyj:

sphery: who is the one with bad teeth?

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: going to hang it from the ceiling next to your projector?

[12:48:13]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: that looks like some sort of catapult

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sphery:

johnnyj: Jewel?

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johnnyj:

sphery: ha ! /usr/local/Jewel

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** sphery doesn't admit that he likes Jewel **

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sphery:

oops

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Brad-D:

i used to listen to jewel 3–4 years ago

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Brad-D:

she has a great voice

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs... Hehehe... Nah, just was caught off-guard with it's description as being a 'mini-atx' case... and a 'mini tower' too... yeah, right... **

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sphery:

is it some sort of development case?

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sphery:

"Pitstop T60" sounds that way

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J-e-f-f-A:

My son won tickets to a Jewel concert off of the radio a couple of years ago, and even got to meet her as part of the promo... He just went because she's hot...

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sphery:

I didn't say /why/ I like Jewel, but, yeah.

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Brad-D:

haha

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Brad-D:

my old roommates brother did the same thing with jessica simpson

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J-e-f-f-A:

Brad-D: careful, this is a 'family' channel... ;-)

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Brad-D:

haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Look at the pic for that case with it non-assembled... the parts on the bottom-right are laid out like a smiley... hehehe

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sphery:

hhe, I looked at that pic and didn't notice

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sphery:

that's funny

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sphery:

I think building that case would take more smarts than building the computer to put "in" it

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sphery:

(broken CPU pins notwithstanding)

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johnnyj:

sphery: you're on fire today

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johnnyj:

(wait for it)

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sphery:

the fire spread from my mobo!

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johnnyj:

ha ha

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: no, that was his PC yesterday...

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J-e-f-f-A:

^oops, too late!

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sphery:

exactly

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johnnyj:

at least you're in good spirits – which is more thani can say after a loss

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J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: Oh, you didn't know his hands are bandaged up and he's got holes to patch in the walls now? ;-)

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johnnyj:

sometimes I have to sojourn to the anger dome

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justinh:

been a while since I took anger out on anything inanimate. that's why we have IRC

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jams:

so your saying you hit your dog or people?

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johnnyj:

like wilford brimly?

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johnnyj:

( i really shoulda looked up how to spell his name )

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justinh:

jams: no, just newbies who don't listen

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justinh:

they're not people :)

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: no $3.50 for you... They said that promo codes can't be used with combo purchases, so even though it showed the discount in the shopping cart, it would never have applied at checkout.

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justinh:

time once again to do battle with xml

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high-rez:

Are there any trickets to getting nvidia hdmi audio working? E.g. I have a 9500GT card with HDMI – but aplay -l doesn't list the hdmi audio port..?

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Brad-D:

hey guys, would anyone know where I can find recording rules in the database? I restored my database to a new version of fedora. My upcoming recordings are still in tact, but my "recording rules" screen seems to be empty

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justinh:

man, before mythui all my theming decisions were so simple

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justinh:

Brad-D: in your backup of course

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Brad-D:

justinh: right, any idea which table they should be in?

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justinh:

Brad-D: it's a matter of policy here not to tell people how to mess with the db directly

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justinh:

there should never be any need to do that

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Brad-D:

okay, google it is :)

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Brad-D:

i really just want to write a select query to see what's in there

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justinh:

but think about what you said... hmmm. which tables have the word like 'recording' in them?

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RyeBrye:

high-rez: I have an nvidia hdmi card with sound out working. I can't remember the exact voodoo I had to do to get it working, but it can be done with mythtv

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justinh:

darn you, choices!

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: the 8 and 9 series cards did not have audio hardware that was exposed to the system

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wagnerrp:

they only had SPDIF passthrough using a header on the card

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justinh:

crap how spdif 'cannot' do better than 5.1

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wagnerrp:

the GT2xx and later cards all have built in audio hardware

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** RyeBrye used spdif headers **

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wagnerrp:

and you are outputting audio through the digital output on your sound card, rather than anything that would appear to be on your video card

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: oh no kiddin? How about a 210? E.g. I just got the card (9500 GT) and can exchange it for a 210...

[14:14:55]

wagnerrp:

the 210 will actually appear as a sound card, provided you have sufficiently recent ALSA drivers

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high-rez:

I don't think I have SPDIF headers on my mobo – so its a no go :( I saw there was a cable for this with the video card.

[14:15:18]

high-rez:

Man, something told me last night I should have gotten the 210 iunstead of ther 9500 :/

[14:15:21]

high-rez:

For the same price.

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: i would bet you actually do

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wagnerrp:

what motherboard do you have?

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: If I do have a SPDIF header (I'll look again) – is there any advantage to the pure HDMI solution ? E.g. can the SPDIF headers carry bluray audio etc ?

[14:16:32]

wagnerrp:

yes, no

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wagnerrp:

you should have a 9-pin HDaudio connector on your botherboard

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wagnerrp:

which will include SPDIF

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high-rez:

I see. Ok I probably do have that.

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high-rez:

But the HDMI on the 210 can carry higher bitrate audio (e.g. 7.1 dts eac3 etc for bluray?)

[14:18:16]

wagnerrp:

the 210 provides true HDMI audio

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wagnerrp:

the older cards only support SPDIF

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wagnerrp:

which is limited to 2mbps

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high-rez:

Hmm. ok.

[14:18:43]

wagnerrp:

which means it can handle AC3, DTS, and 2-channel LPCM

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high-rez:

I see.

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high-rez:

I think I'll just exchange it for a 210 at frys then.

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wagnerrp:

not that the 9500 is a more powerful card than the 210

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wagnerrp:

s/not/note/

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high-rez:

Right, thats what put me over the top with the 9500 – that it coudl do 2x advanced

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high-rez:

I was thinking 'same price: newer card, but appears to be less powerful – older card but can do better deinterlacing'

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high-rez:

(i was on the mythtv wiki at frys last night making that decision : -)

[14:21:29]

high-rez:

It would be nice to have a matrix like the VDPAU features/performance one that included the audio capability of the card (just another column on the wiki)

[14:22:14]

high-rez:

My motherboard has an onboard HDMI – but the card can't do vdpau – so i'm stuck with an addon.

[14:22:30]

high-rez:

(unlike my zotac ionitx)

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** J-e-f-f-A is jealous that high-rez has a Fry's within driving distance... /me cries... **

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mindjuju:

hi, I recently bought a PVR-150 card from eBay, loving it with myubuntu 10.04, then comcast started issuing DTAs (i have the motorolla one), from my research, it seems like i'm stuck. the IR blaster for the PVR 150 doesn't work with the LIRC that is supported by the kernel in 10.04

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mindjuju:

is that right?

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mindjuju:

if so, is there an IR blaster that is compatible that I can use?

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mindjuju:

i've heard mixed signals on the "serial blaster"

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mindjuju:

either homemade or bought premade

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yikes... this is funny – something like this actually happened at my job lately: http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00 . . . 62.strip.gif (/me wonders if Scott Adams has spy cameras hidden here...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mindjuju: if you've got a hardware serial port, then a simple blaster would probably work – if not, a Microsoft Media Center remote receiver has IR blasters that work well... Search flebay for "MCE RC6" for the best matches...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mindjuju: make that "microsoft RC6"

[14:42:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

mindjuju: something like this would be perfect: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Microsoft-Windows-Me . . . em335775e36d <- and as an added bonus, you get a nice IR remote control and receiver too... and about 1/2 the price I paid for mine 2–3 years ago...

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mindjuju:

looking at the link

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm.. some of the remote's keys are labeled in Japenese... well, for $20 it's still a good dleal... There are others, but that's a great, working package...

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mindjuju:

J-e-f-f-A, so quick question, on this link at ebay it doesn't have a trasmitter though, does it?

[14:45:07]

mindjuju:

on that will controll the DTA

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J-e-f-f-A:

(+6 shipping...) – Look at other ones. ^ yes, two.

[14:45:21]

mindjuju:

i'm sorry, i'm still very noobish on this stuff

[14:46:09]

mindjuju:

so is it the black box that I need that will change channel on the DTA?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mindjuju: plus the IR 'eyes' that plug into the back of it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mindjuju: the two cables coiled up on each side of the 'black box' (receiver) are the IR emitters... http://www.redplanettrading.com/ebay/remotes/ . . . view_800.jpg

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** wagnerrp should stop trying to argue with people on gizmodo **

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mindjuju:

ohh, sorry

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mindjuju:

k, i see that

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mindjuju:

so that transmitter should work ok with LIRC, and from there I can get the script that works with the motorolla DTA

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: you are fighting a losing battle

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justinh:

there are no winners on the internet ;)

[14:51:02]

Shadow__X:

hey J-e-f-f-A do you use storage groups,metadata on a os x fe

[14:51:28]

wagnerrp:

trying to explain to people why you cant just have a bluray player just send the compressed video to their tv over 802.11g

[14:52:57]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: no? i thought g was the bees knees. we dont need to stinking n or Gbit

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wagnerrp:

'but bluray is only 50mbps, G is faster than that'

[14:53:10]

wagnerrp:

no, its not

[14:53:15]

wagnerrp:

'well what about N'

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wagnerrp:

not reliable enough, and you cant send compressed video anyway, how would you handle menus

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Shadow__X:

latency issues

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wagnerrp:

'well we could put compressors in the BR player, and decompressors in the tv'

[14:54:00]

wagnerrp:

youre an idiot...

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Shadow__X:

lol

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justinh:

we definitely need GDIAFOIP

[14:56:02]

justinh:

wow. who is setting the compression level on the stuff they upload to thetvdb.com ?

[14:56:20]

justinh:

some stuff looks positively er... well I'd rather have no image than some of these

[14:57:54]

justinh:

there are even pics which are obviously screengrabs somebody hasn't even deinterlaced

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Shadow__X:

justinh: is that Go Die In a Fire Over ip?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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Shadow__X:

thank you indexed beirdo logs

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Brad-D:

when you are playing around with backgrounds, can you cycle the backgrounds with a key? Or do you have to keep reloading mythfrontend?

[15:10:07]

justinh:

eh?

[15:10:35]

justinh:

if you change a background which is defined in base.xml you have to do a theme reload or restart the frontend

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justinh:

otherwise just reload the screen it's defined in

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Brad-D:

i'm using arclight, and i put a bunch of backgrounds in the background dir, and it randomly loads them when i start mythfrontend

[15:10:59]

Brad-D:

gotcha

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Brad-D:

thanks

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high-rez:

Did the OSD switching get moved in trunk? I've been trying to change my OSD – and when I go to playback OSD there's only two screens.

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justinh:

Brad-D: if a directory is specified as the background image filename mythui will select a random one

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wagnerrp:

the OSD got rewritten, im sure theres a lot of changes to how it works

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justinh:

Brad-D: e.g. <imagetype name="background"> <area>0,0,1920,1080</area> <filename>backgroundsdirectory/</filename></imagetype>

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Storage Groups: YES – Metadata: YES – OSX frontend: NO

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: it would seem as if the os x frontend isnt liking the jpg's

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: that seems odd... But I can't confirm or deny...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Maybe you're missing some QT dependency for jpg support or something... (just pulling at straws!)

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: thats what it seems like. I was reading on the -users list and it would seem like on qt4 jpg handling is a plugin and it wasnt compiled with it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I dunno – that was just a guess on my part... but if you saw some hints to that effect in the ML messages, then I guess I might be on the right track...

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justinh:

somebody should tell the-FoX to google his error message. seems like it's even in ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

the fox?

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wagnerrp:

oh, other channel

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justinh:

he was here earlier today. same deal

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wagnerrp:

so i guess hes not actually going to come in here for assistance?

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wagnerrp:

!seen the-FoX

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MythLogBot:

the-FoX was last seen 5 hours 56 minutes 8 seconds ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ya know, I am kinda liking this router that Verizon provided with FiOS.. it's got a pretty capable firewall... and they're not blocking port 80 either... but I've locked it down to just a few 'known' incoming addresses... ;-) So I can now access mythweb from work without an ssh tunnel... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

why restrict it so?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Because otherwise I get hit with all sorts of connection attempts... which at least once I suspect was a DOS that killed me for a while...

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wagnerrp:

i need to stop transferring things over samba

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I have it open on another arbitrary port to the whole world, but most won't do a port scan unless they get a successful connection on a 'known' port...

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wagnerrp:

ive got multiple disks that are under a single share

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wagnerrp:

so ive i move from one disk to another within that share

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wagnerrp:

samba gets hosed, and does it internally

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wagnerrp:

the connection is horrendous until it has finished

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johnnyj:

J-e-f-f-A: i just leave mine requiring the ssh tunnel

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johnnyj:

i need the proxy for at work anyway

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johnnyj:

i pass this instance of chatzilla through it – amongst other things – when i randomly bump up against the corporate firewall

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: blocking all traffic wont do you any good against a DOS

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johnnyj:

ciao!

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caelor:

sphery: hmmm. So my mysql connection lost issue would seem to still be here. It just lasted 48 hours before it re-evidenced, rather than 2 or 3. Still completely at a loss though :( This time it would appear the connection got lost in JobQueue::GetJobCmd(), although the previous 2 messages were to do with RingBuf waiting for data to become available (2 seconds of it)

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caelor:

unfortunately, I think because of bug 8606, it deadlocks my master backend, meaning I need to restart it.

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caelor:

And it would appear that either the JobQueue thread, or the Recording thread doesn't re-establish a mysql connection, so the slave backend also needs a restart

[18:32:18]

caelor:

part of me still suspects mysql as being a possible cause

[18:35:24]

caelor:

sphery: looking through the logs, I did see the duplicate entry for primary key error reported in 8606 on the SBE a short while before it lost its DB connection – any chance this deadlock could cause a timeout on the DB connection for the SBE too?

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sphery:

caelor: could be... In theory, though, a dup key error should just be an error and we should just stop writing that row of bad data into the DB

[18:41:34]

sphery:

caelor: out of curiosity, what storage engine are you using in mysql?

[18:42:10]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Same or different? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/25/nimbula_cloud_os/

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caelor:

sphery: yes. It's just interesting that it took a lot longer to get into the deadlock state, and basically identically fitted the bug report this time. I wonder if my original problem was a composite of 2 problems.

[18:42:27]

caelor:

sphery: MyISAM

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caelor:

with the exception of weatherdatalayout, weatherscreens and weathersourcesettings which report as InnoDB

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sphery:

it is possible that you had 2... with MyISAM, it's the same as what most devs are using, so not a factor of differences in InnoDB locking

[18:43:20]

sphery:

(and, yeah, MythWeather only supports InnoDB)

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caelor:

yeah, it should be stock mythbuntu, although installed from vanilla ubuntu server.

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sphery:

you're not in the US, I suppose (since you're using EIT)?

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caelor:

indeed, in the UK. MBE has a Nova-T 500 recording DVB-T (Freeview), and SBE has a kworld DVB-S card (FreeSat)

[18:46:44]

caelor:

up until recently, I just had the MBE with Freeview, and was running trunk. Had the dish installed, set up the SBE and started seeing these issues, so archived up recordings (Mytharchive native), removed all myth, and reinstalled with 0.23-fixes.

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sphery:

was wondering if you could test stability without the EIT... don't know if that's possible.

[18:47:07]

sphery:

and still have issues on -fixes?

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caelor:

yes

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sphery:

do you have EIT collection disabled on the remote/slave backend?

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caelor:

i'd originally put it down to the risk of running trunk, but figured it was more likely config when it persisted on -fixes

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sphery:

if not, perhaps you could (don't we allow that per-tuner?)

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caelor:

passive EIT on both MBE and SBE

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sphery:

might be worth turning it off on the SBE and see if it's more reliable that way

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sphery:

assuming the MBE would be able to pull EIT data for the channels used by the SBE (i.e. has all sources available to it, too)

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caelor:

will give that a try. If it does address the issue, will have to find some other way of getting listings for the sat channels that aren't common between both sources

[18:49:23]

sphery:

can't swap around capture devices so that the MBE has devices hooked to both video sources?

[18:49:51]

caelor:

physical location makes that kind of impractical (without adversely affecting the WAF, at least)

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sphery:

:(

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caelor:

(sat cables into the living room, so SBE is int there, and always on boxes aren't especially welcome)

[18:51:12]

sphery:

well, if it's possible to try it with the SBE's EIT disabled for a bit to see if that makes it stable, it would be a very interesting data point

[18:51:29]

sphery:

don't know how important those sat channels are to you

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caelor:

I'll try disabling the EIT on the video source for the SBE

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caelor:

it currently has 8 days of data, so it should be fine for a few days

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caelor:

will maybe also try setting up the RadioTimes xmltv grabber, although last time I tried that (back in the 0.18 days) it was a lot of work

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caelor:

ok, EIT disabled for the FreeSat source, will see how well it goes

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sphery:

*fingers crossed*

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sphery:

good luck

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caelor:

thanks :) Out of curiousity, what's the feeling on 8606? Is it trivial, or invasive?

[19:01:33]

sphery:

I don't know the EIT subsystem at all (I'

[19:01:38]

sphery:

m in the US, so I don't use EIT)

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sphery:

I'm sure one of the EIT experts will get to it in time

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caelor:

fair enough. I'll be crossing my fingers it won't take too long. I've seen enough of the EIT code to back away slowly... :)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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caelor:

So I don't rate my chances at fixing it myself

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sphery:

understood

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caelor:

I dearly wish I could find some way of logging some more debugging data about what exactly causes the connection to abort – it seems very curious that the kernel's tcp stack stats are very clean.

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sphery:

caelor: an issue that I haven't investigates is that the Qt-MySQL drivers seem to get corrupted pretty badly when using a DB object name that's not real--i.e. SELECT * FROM tablethatdoesnotexist;

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, different.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: heh, thought you might have moved to Capetown and got in big with Amazon. :)

[19:10:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

there's about 7 or so "Chris Pinkham"s or so that I've seen the guy in South Africa is in the top 2–3 in google searches.

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sphery:

caelor: so, if the EIT code is generating SQL dynamically--including dynamic table or column names--it's possible it's doing something like that and corrupting the connection

[19:10:38]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: cool... I was just reading that article and my worlds crossed... Wait, this isn't the MythTV mailing list...

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caelor:

sphery: that sounds interesting, and plausible. Luckily, the statement is logged even without -v database, so it should be easy to check

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sphery:

what was the statement?

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caelor:

UPDATE program SET starttime = ?, endtime = ? WHERE chanid = ? AND

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caelor:

starttime = ?

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caelor:

which looks fairly reasonable

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sphery:

those are all standard...

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sphery:

yeah

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caelor:

First occurrence was 01:06am, and it ran all day without issue

[19:13:13]

caelor:

then another instance at 20:11 – same error

[19:13:22]

caelor:

so I'm thinking it could well be a red herring

[19:13:59]

caelor:

one thing that has been noted on the mailing list lately is that the mythbuntu init scripts don't wait on network before starting myth

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caelor:

I wonder if it could be something to do with interrupts or similar as the OS finishes booting

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caelor:

I do occasionally get "no upnp backends found" logged, and then a few seconds later it connects to the MBE, which might suggest a delay in network init

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caelor:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/u3DWAJn5 seems to be the backend log from today where it started to go wrong

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sphery:

does Ubuntu still use a wrapper script for mythbackend?

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caelor:

first time I've seen it having problems with jobqueue as opposed to updating the db during a recording

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caelor:

I'll check.

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caelor:

doesn't look like it.

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sphery:

so /usr/bin/mythbackend is an ELF binary, not a script?

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caelor:

yep. ELF 32-bit LSB exec

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caelor:

the initscript is now an upstart compatible script, so I'll have to learn some upstart before working out how to make it wait on network.

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caelor:

I might just add a hackish sleep 10 in though, to see if that has any bearing.

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caelor:

We'll see if the EIT disabling makes any difference first though

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sphery:

In that case, I can't help you put a "wait for network/DB before starting mythbackend" in there... I don't know upstart.

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caelor:

neither. Sometimes I miss gentoo... and then I remember how much less time I spend compiling these days.

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sphery:

caelor: this is what I use in my script: http://pastebin.ca/1893108

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sphery:

you'd need to edit the location of your config.xml file (first line)

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caelor:

yes. I might put that in a wrapper script, to avoid the upstart problem. Looks like it should work.

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sphery:

that basically trys a mysqladmin ping until it succeeds... If it fails, it sleeps 1s, then 2s, then 3s, up to 60s, then checks once per minute

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sphery:

tries

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caelor:

Hmm, ok. So upstart isn't liking that. I should probably look into it some more tomorrow

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caelor:

interestingly, I'm getting server gone away errors within 30 minutes of a backend restart again now.

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sphery:

wow, that's bad

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caelor:

yes, but makes me suspect mysqld instead, because both backends have been restarted

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sphery:

mysql config is definitely a challenge

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caelor:

it would seem to indicate the problem is either with the db server, the MBE hardware, of infrastructure

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sphery:

would be interesting to see what happens when you replace the distro-provide my.cnf with something like the my-medium.cnf from a MySQL source release

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caelor:

shouldn't be memory – swapping RAM was one of my earlier diagnostic tests

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caelor:

I'll add that to my list of ideas. I don't know how much ubuntu customise it

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sphery:

yeah, that makes 2 of us--though I know of some *buntu users whose MySQL performance is dreadful in comparison to what I get (on lower-powered hardware, even)

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caelor:

yes. I don't recall having these little niggles when I ran a gentoo box. It either was completely broken, or working.

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caelor:

which in some ways, I prefer. I spend less time fixing a completely broken setup than one with minor issues.

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sphery:

was looking to see if there's a my-medium.cnf available from MySQL's site for direct download, but don't see one

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caelor:

I'll have a dig around over the weekend, and try and put one together

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caelor:

there should be a svn checkout somewhere for it

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sphery:

hmmm... they call it my-medium.cnf.sh (even though it's a cnf file, not a script to build on)

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sphery:

one

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caelor:

interesting.

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caelor:

is the mass of config options likely to be an issue for you, if you're looking into the embedded mysql? it would seem it could be tricky to find the sweet spot of configuration.

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caelor:

although obviously would be great to remove problems like this (if all users had the same DB configs, effectively)

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sphery:

I'm thinking it will make things a lot simpler...

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sphery:

basically, a lot of the performance tuning people seem to want to do tends to be overkill (or, worse, actually decreases performance)

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** sphery is trying to figure out how to view code in BZR online **

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sphery:

caelor: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-serv . . . edium.cnf.sh is the my-medium.cnf from the official MySQL development repo

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sphery:

will save a 22MB download

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caelor:

thanks. Several steps ahead of me to find that!

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sphery:

I like a good mystery :)

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caelor:

me too. It just becomes more frustrating when it's something that seems like it should be so simple!

[19:40:06]

sphery:

true

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caelor:

sphery: I should sign off for the evening, but hopefully znc should keep logs for me, so if you have any other ideas, feel free to put them into the channel. I'll check back in tomorrow evening for me, and let you know any progress.

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sphery:

great, thanks for the updates

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caelor:

thanks again for your help. And hopefully the mystery won't take too long!

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i think you would agree with this election... http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/8 . . . 2cf9b52f.jpg

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kormoc:

If only bacon and fries would work together in fatty harmony

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waltm:

I'm having a problem with downloading images from the tmdb script in mythvideo, the log shows that instead of downloading the image it's a html redirect. I'm running .23 +fixes25178 http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1893141

[21:02:38]

[R]:

i think i saw something about that on the ml the other day

[21:02:39]

waltm:

Anyone have an idea as to where to look for the problem?

[21:06:59]

sphery:

waltm: I recommend trying a bunch of other movies, too--it may just be problems with the one you're trying?

[21:09:39]

waltm:

I have 4 I added in the last 2 days, they are all returning the same error. When I go to the address in firefox it does seem to redirect to the image at another address.

[21:09:55]

sphery:

I haven't used it in a couple of days, but when I did, I got images without problems for most--there were just a couple that didn't get images.

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[21:14:46]

sphery:

seems Beirdo was the sole survivor of that one...

[21:15:17]

sphery:

If you're hearing this, you are the Resistance...

[21:15:20]

wagnerrp:

wonder if hes got some script to detect being on the wrong side of splits, and reconnect

[21:15:30]

sphery:

could be...

[21:16:00]

sphery:

I still don't know for sure if there is a "right side" and a "wrong side"... Seems there could be "gray sides"

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

the side you are on is always the right side

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[R]:

that way when the peopel come back

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[R]:

you can laugh merciliously at thekm

[21:17:49]

Lexridge:

If I compile mythtv .23 with vdpau on, what changes does it make, if any, to my nvidia drivers?

[21:17:59]

kormoc:

none

[21:18:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... 0.23-fixes should have options for vdpau interlacers, etc, right?

[21:18:29]

Lexridge:

Well, I am having this exact same problem, and have been for weeks. I need to fix it. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/429373

[21:18:33]

** J-e-f-f-A can't find them... yet I'm using the nvidia driver... humm... **

[21:18:42]

wagnerrp:

not so much 'options', as lets you pick which of the four you want to use

[21:20:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, just seems I can only select "VDPAU Slim" "Normal" or "High Quality", with no entries below it, and if I add one, there's no option for VDPAU, yet I know I'm running the nvidia binary, and I'm pretty sure myth compiled with vdpau support when I built 0.23...

[21:20:46]

** J-e-f-f-A goes off to check... **

[21:22:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... how'd that happen? "VDPAU support no" WT?!?!? ugh... ok, simple fix... just recompile...

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: note that if you use the nvidia driver installer package, it tends to like to remove libvdpau (the FOSS one) from your system--which will break things. I've had to re-install libvdpau after installing the nvidia drivers on every system on which I've installed the nvidia drivers.

[21:24:14]

Beirdo:

mmmm, mexican coke

[21:24:20]

Beirdo:

coca cola rather

[21:25:04]

sphery:

heh,

[21:25:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: On this system I actually had to use an RPM, since it's FC13, and the nvidia 'shell' installer puked that the compiler was a different version, etc... doh!!!!

[21:25:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: ^^^ ah, the good stuff with Cane sugar, eh?

[21:25:31]

Beirdo:

aye

[21:25:48]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: the VDPAU options are editable in the same place they have always been

[21:26:00]

wagnerrp:

you have to hit the 'edit' button on one of the playback rules

[21:26:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, but not if the frontend wasn't compiled with vdpau support... DOH!

[21:26:23]

wagnerrp:

well thats certainly a problem

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wagnerrp:

its enabled by default

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wagnerrp:

meaning you are missing a compile time dependency that made configure disable it

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J-e-f-f-A:

!trout J-e-f-f-A "compile myth with vdpau support, dummy!"

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** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a "compile myth with vdpau support, dummy!" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, I probably compiled it before I got the nvidia driver downloaded on my box...

[21:28:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: like I told sphery – for the first time, the nvidia 'shell' install method didn't work on FC13 – google told me that I could d/l it from rpmfusion, so that's what I did this time...

[21:29:37]

[R]:

why the hell would you want to use that broken piece of trash .sh script in the first place

[21:29:42]

[R]:

thats a surefire way to break your box

[21:30:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Well, I've been using them for the last few years... Seems less likely to 'break' stuff than RPMs from different sources...

[21:30:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

(ie: dependency issues)

[21:30:20]

[R]:

thats why you install rpms made for your dist

[21:30:23]

[R]:

problem solved

[21:30:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Yeah, but then some stuff is only avaiable from one rpm, some from another... bah... just compile everything from source!!!! ;-)

[21:31:05]

[R]:

lol

[21:31:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: My first couple of myth boxes were all rpm based... and after being in dependency 'hell' a couple of times, I switched to using source for most stuff... ;-)

[21:32:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

And this thing with the nvidia driver [due to some change in Fedora 13 apparently] was the 1st time I'd had any problems with it.

[21:32:32]

wagnerrp:

[R]: oh? ive never had any problems with that bourne script

[21:32:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

I guess that's what I get for running a distribution numbered "13"... ;-)

[21:32:44]

[R]:

wagnerrp: i've seen tons of people totally hose their system with it

[21:33:29]

wagnerrp:

its always been fairly fool-proof to me

[21:33:46]

[R]:

why install some generic crap when you can install somethign made for your dist...

[21:33:49]

[R]:

tahts what i always say

[21:34:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, my biggest thing was figuring out how to get into 'init 3' and back... when I was a total n00b... ;-)

[21:34:23]

wagnerrp:

at least on gentoo, the distro specific package is just a small wrapper around that script

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[R]:

wagnerrp: no

[21:35:38]

[R]:

wagnerrp: the ebuild extracts it and runs makes

[21:35:41]

[R]:

runs make*

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wagnerrp:

what do you think the shell script does

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:36:18]

wagnerrp:

it just checks to see if you have a matching kernel that it can download a module for first

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wagnerrp:

before resorting to building it

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** Beirdo resorts to burping **

[21:37:25]

Beirdo:

ahh. Coca Cola :)

[21:38:01]

sphery:

I'd like to buy the world...

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Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: the latest one didn't even check if there was a matching kernel version to download, it just went on and built it...

[21:38:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

yikes... /me found himself starting to whistle for a minute!!!

[21:39:10]

Beirdo:

hahahaah

[21:42:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh yeah, just did an 'svn up' – forgot that dude "Gavin" made all those changes to mythweather... I just wish weather.com had signed off on our usage of their radar images... :-(

[21:46:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:46:33]

Beirdo:

bite me :)

[21:46:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

Took ya long enough to respond!

[21:46:50]

Beirdo:

we have static weather maps

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Beirdo:

I was off makin a sandwich

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh that's right, your're snort^H^H^H^Hipping coke...

[21:47:44]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:47:52]

Beirdo:

it IS dinner time here ya know :)

[21:50:35]

Beirdo:

time to watch a bit of TV... then mess with mythweather some more

[21:50:36]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:51:19]

Beirdo:

haha

[21:51:36]

Beirdo:

it's recording

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Hey, your work is greatly appreciated... ;-) I'm just 'razzin' ya... ;-)

[21:51:49]

Beirdo:

tis fine, I can take it

[21:52:25]

** sphery made the mistake of thinking it would be easy to fix #8572 (we have a lot of stuff needing changing for Qt4.7) **

[21:52:57]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:53:19]

Beirdo:

I should be a dork and put in a ticket demanding a switch to gtk

[21:53:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:54:16]

sphery:

heh

[21:54:20]

sphery:

assign it to kormoc

[21:54:22]

Beirdo:

nah, how about to libXm

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:54:36]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:54:49]

Beirdo:

but anyways

[21:55:06]

Beirdo:

got some Burn Notice queued up to watch

[21:55:33]

high-rez:

Hmmf. I'm trying to do HDMI Audio – but I get no sound out of my receiver. I've got a card that actually supports HDMI audio this time, unmuted the channels – but still nothing.

[21:55:38]

skd5aner:

SNL sketch – "What... is... Burn Notice?"

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high-rez:

Interesting, in dmesg it shows that it sees my receiver.

[21:55:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Me too, but it's hard to do without VDPAU!!!!

[21:55:58]

Beirdo:

heh, I stopped watching SNL so long ago

[21:56:25]

Beirdo:

got a nice blue glow on the HDPVR

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skd5aner:

eh... people have said that about SNL since the 80s

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Beirdo:

stupid blue LEDs

[21:57:19]

Lexridge:

SNL may suck, but Jimmy Fallon is classic! Especially when he slow-jams the news lol

[21:57:26]

Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

:)

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skd5aner:

see, now I can't stand Jimmy Fallon on late night

[21:57:47]

skd5aner:

but hey... that's just me – to each their own ;)

[21:57:52]

Lexridge:

I used to hate him too, then he suddenly got much better

[21:57:55]

Beirdo:

Dana Carvey... now that's good

[21:58:23]

skd5aner:

choppin' brocolli

[21:59:13]

Beirdo:

and... Mike Myers with "If it's not Scottish... it's crrrap!"

[21:59:18]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: http://www.hulu.com/watch/126486/saturday-nig . . . ce-game-show

[21:59:29]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:00:08]

Beirdo:

I should pick up the keyboard and skip the "It's my money, and I need it now" junk

[22:00:39]

Beirdo:

OMG

[22:00:51]

Beirdo:

HDPVR just stopped recording... and started again

[22:00:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:01:14]

skd5aner:

Beirod: Mine does that if the STB switches resolution mid-broadcast

[22:01:19]

skd5aner:

it keeps working though

[22:01:24]

Lexridge:

Is $174 a good price on an HDPVR? that the Amazon price.

[22:01:40]

Beirdo:

nah, this was switching from Burn Notice... to Royal Pains

[22:01:41]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:01:48]

Beirdo:

but yeah

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wagnerrp:

pretty decent, retail is $200

[22:02:01]

Beirdo:

yeah, decent price

[22:02:09]

Lexridge:

I've been considering getting one so I can finally get my dish hd in the garage.

[22:02:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I don't understand it... even compiled with vdpau support, myth isn't seeing it... what the *bleep*??? /me is confused...

[22:02:15]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: I'm rewatching that SNL sketch, you watching it? makes me laugh

[22:02:32]

Beirdo:

nah... watchin Burn Notice, I tell ya

[22:02:35]

Lexridge:

but until I get this little problem fixed, no point in buying on yet.

[22:02:58]

Lexridge:

*one* that is

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: ./configure say anything useful?

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Beirdo:

likely a too-old version of libvdpau?

[22:03:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: ... confugre says "VDPAU support yes"...

[22:03:55]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[22:03:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

hummm libvdpau... humm...

[22:03:59]

Beirdo:

then it's supported

[22:04:36]

Beirdo:

I seem to remember seeing it whine about an old version on a previous attempt a while back

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J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... mythfrontend isn't detecting it... if I select any of the vdpau profiles, it doesn't have any of the settings, and if I try to add one, there's no option for vdpau... ugh.

[22:05:06]

Beirdo:

?!

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** J-e-f-f-A is confused... I WANT TO WATCH BURN NOTICE, DARN IT!!!!! **

[22:05:23]

Beirdo:

you sure you are running the right mythfrontend? :)

[22:05:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

(without the cpu hitting 100% and pausing every 2 seconds!)

[22:05:34]

Lexridge:

seems many are having my problem with .23. But none of the forums ever comes up with an answer.

[22:05:47]

Beirdo:

forums?!

[22:05:48]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:06:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo... well, pretty sure... let me wipe out the myth binaries in /usr/local/bin and do the make install again...

[22:06:19]

Lexridge:

mailing lists, probably. Just search google for TV: DrawUnusedRects() — end

[22:08:39]

Lexridge:

but I am not using vdpau. My old nv6800 doesnt support it.

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Beirdo:

Dunno, man

[22:09:25]

Beirdo:

my vdpau is happy

[22:09:26]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:09:53]

Beirdo:

never seen that bug come up

[22:10:24]

Lexridge:

It seems I had read somewhere on the mythv.org or the wiki, that something gets changed within the nvidia driver is myth is compiled with vdpau support, and I accidentally did it the first time.

[22:10:32]

Lexridge:

but I cannot find it now

[22:11:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I didn't wipe out the myth libs before doing the make install... hopefully that fixes me up...

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Beirdo:

how would compiling an application change the kernel drivers/

[22:12:43]

Beirdo:

that's ridiculous

[22:13:16]

Lexridge:

I think I found it, actually

[22:14:07]

Lexridge:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU Under Caveats section.

[22:14:51]

Lexridge:

but that seems different for me. I actually have an nvidia card.

[22:15:36]

wagnerrp:

http://failblog.org/2010/05/17/epic-fail-phot . . . acement-fail

[22:16:11]

Beirdo:

sigh

[22:16:27]

Beirdo:

I hope my mythbox has enough disk space for my next trip to Philly

[22:16:41]

Beirdo:

10 days away from home. BAH

[22:16:47]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

pick up a spare?

[22:17:25]

Beirdo:

and it will be nearly 10 days of 12h work days...

[22:17:38]

Beirdo:

hmm

[22:17:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

I think I just found the problem... the rpmfusion nvidia driver is pretty old... 195.36.24 ... and myth doesn't seem to like compiling with it... :-(

[22:17:57]

Beirdo:

I can add a bit more disk, I guess

[22:18:18]

Beirdo:

meh

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high-rez:

Do I need a .asoundrc for HDMI out these days or is this old info ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

yay... got vdpau support compiled successfully on one of the frontends... it's just my FC13 backend that's not behaving, because of the stupid RPM being out of date... no time to troubleshoot tonight... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: I wish I knew! ;-) jya or one of the other gurus would know, but obviously they're 'afk' right now... ;-)

[22:27:29]

high-rez:

Grr :/

[22:28:05]

high-rez:

The whole alsa digital audio etc etc is such a mystery.

[22:28:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: just think of it as a 'learning experience'... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A needs a faster cpu.... **

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** wagnerrp wishes they had this kind of sesame street when he was a kid.... http://failblog.org/2010/05/04/epic-fail-photos-elmo-fail/ **

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Beirdo:

fail this

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sphery:

that was annoying--and the worst part is that I don't know if my fixes are actually correct

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sphery:

you wouldn't happen to be a template guru, would you?

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wagnerrp:

template?

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Beirdo:

not me...

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sphery:

:(

[22:38:57]

Beirdo:

:(

[22:39:27]

Beirdo:

well, I think it's high time to break mythweather again

[22:39:29]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

gonna use the new stuff Captain_Murdoch added

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sphery:

Don't know if the template changes (like those in eventing.h) are valid for T = int as well as T = QString. If not, I have no idea how we're going to fix templates to handle Qt's making QString(0) or QString(NULL) invalid. http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-co . . . qt_4_7.patch

[22:41:32]

Beirdo:

oh, I have to wait another 20min before doing make install :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, I may commit a fix to the lastmodified issue tonight, tracking that down now.

[22:42:09]

Beirdo:

OK. sounds great

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Beirdo:

I like that we have better support for grabbing images off the web :)

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sphery:

I heard the web is a fad.

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Beirdo:

that's gonna make my proposed gallery changes a LOT simpler

[22:43:40]

Beirdo:

the cache has a finite maximum size in bytes or anything like that?

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sphery:

heh, my mythweather is disabled... so I need to fix deps so I can see if I have it compiling with Qt4.7

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Captain_Murdoch:

default is 50MB but it is settable if we want to make a new setting. :)

[22:44:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

50MB is the Qt default.

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

that should work well for gallery use

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Beirdo:

I just don't want to have it suck down like terabytes of images :)

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Beirdo:

well, gigabytes

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so it does FIFO, least used, or some other algorithm, I guess

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Beirdo:

when it's full that is

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Beirdo:

ah crap

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Beirdo:

it didn't change channels while I was at work

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Beirdo:

this is not Good Eats.

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Beirdo:

this is NCIS

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Beirdo:

and I can't delete it because it's doing commercial detection on it

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Beirdo:

that's... unfortunate :)

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Beirdo:

I think I need to tweak my changing script a wee bit

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Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, yeah, I haven't explored the caching algorithm much yet. not sure if it's FIFO or LRU.

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sphery:

no wonder DateTime::Format improves time zone handling--it has 10M dependencies

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: as long as it works :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

you can stop that commflag job and then delete.

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Beirdo:

oh?

[22:52:51]

Beirdo:

why didn't I think of that :)

[22:52:58]

Beirdo:

delete and allow re-record...

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Beirdo:

and put it to delay longer between channel digits

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Beirdo:

5 more minutes left on the current recording

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J-e-f-f-A:

should I be concerned that 'tv_play.o' is taking over 10 minutes to compile on my Athon 64 X2 6000+ ??? Jeepers, usually the whole compile is only 15–20 mins tops... it's been over 30 mins already...

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Beirdo:

don't sound right to me

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: yeah, I just started over... did a 'make distclean'... and started it all over... seems to be flying at the moment, we'll see what happens in a few... ;-)

[22:58:40]

Beirdo:

OK, scheduled a show at 8.

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Beirdo:

on a different channel... it better like me this time

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: you didn't try your channel change script out with "Tuner Test" mode (aka "Live TV"?)

[23:00:09]

Beirdo:

yeah, I tried it a couple times, but who knows, I was likely on an edge case

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high-rez:

Interesting. If I specify ALSA:plughw:2,8 it works. So card 2 device 8 appears to be LPCM out.

[23:05:48]

high-rez:

not sure why specifing the HDMI device isn't working though :(

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Beirdo:

OK, the scheduler's borked

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Beirdo:

I tell it "record this specific showing"

[23:07:02]

Beirdo:

it decides... nah, I'll record it later tonight

[23:07:08]

Beirdo:

bit me. do it NOW

[23:07:14]

Beirdo:

bite me rather

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high-rez:

I'd rather send the encoded stream to the receiver :/

[23:08:34]

Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

this was an IR fail

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Beirdo:

the IR transmitter thingy fell off the receiver

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

nothing a little electrical tape can't fix

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Captain_Murdoch:

figured out my issue. I hard-coded a URL in the test theme chooser so the same image was being used multiple times on the screen at the same time. the download manager code uses the URL as the key in a table though, so subsequent requests would overwrite the first's info. so I now serialize requests for the same URL. better that way anyway since subsequent requests should come out of cache.

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Beirdo:

hehe

[23:14:58]

Beirdo:

yay, that works MUCH better

[23:15:45]

Beirdo:

I put the emitter right at the receiver... and electrical taped the wre right to the receiver

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Beirdo:

I will not trust the crappy adhesive

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: so is that fix gonna get a new commit, or is it just in your testing area?

[23:17:33]

Beirdo:

oh man, no more Glee. Why did I pick that as a test recording?

[23:17:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, getting ready to commit in the next half hour or so. won't affect you much, but will require a make clean since I changed the class a little.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK.

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Beirdo:

I'll stop the compile then

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Captain_Murdoch:

need to strip out all my debugging comments,make sure itstill works, copy to my pristine tree, test compile there, think up a commit message, then commit. :)

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Beirdo:

ahh

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Beirdo:

make clean is always fun

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Beirdo:

I'll just watch TV in the mean time

[23:19:22]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, not sure I like #8631

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sphery:

I'd like it more if it made the data available and allowed themers to choose which to display

[23:22:54]

sphery:

the seek stuff taking it into account is obnoxious, though

[23:23:03]

sphery:

I now that 3/4 of the program is 45min

[23:23:08]

sphery:

after cutting it's what?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I'd prefer to see frame number available too :)

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Beirdo:

especially in the editor

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sphery:

it is

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sphery:

check out Arclight's editor

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Beirdo:

oh? one sec

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sphery:

that being in trunk, though, as there's no Arclight OSD in 0.23-fixes, TTBOMK

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

I do trunk

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Beirdo:

I like

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mnjay1:

I'm looking for a way to disable fan art backgrounds either completely or for specific folders, any ideas?

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Beirdo:

heh. dropped the keyboard on the floor... and it started playing

[23:27:15]

Beirdo:

it seems the enter key got bumped

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Beirdo:

mnjay1: ummm, use a different theme?

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Beirdo:

I think there's a background image you can overwrite

[23:28:10]

Beirdo:

and just not download the fanart

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Beirdo:

i.e. disable the download from the cronjob if you have one, or just stop running jamu by hand

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Beirdo:

w00t!

[23:29:07]

Beirdo:

DirecTV has Trailer Park Boys!

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Beirdo:

in HD

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J-e-f-f-A:

They have What?!?

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** J-e-f-f-A googles... **

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Beirdo:

it's on 101

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

Trailer Park Boys FTW

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high-rez:

Man, linux audio is just such a mess :/

[23:30:26]

Beirdo:

right, GreyFoxx?

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high-rez:

jeff: So I think I got it working. It seems if I just tell it to do LPCM on ALSA:plughw:2,8 – i'm all good. Just told it I have 7.1 channels – though I'd really prefer to send the encoded audio to the receiver. But oh well :/

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jya:

high-rez, you have a nvidia GT2XX by any chance?

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: that's cool.... some day I'll upgrade to a 7.1 receiver and work in that stuff too... ;-)

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high-rez:

jya: I do have a 2XX. It's a 210

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jya:

it's a bug in the alsa drivers, upgrade to the latest alsa and 256.xx nvidia drivers

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high-rez:

jya: I'm running trunk. Using the auto-detect stuff it finds the NVidia_1:HDMI device (it's _1 cause I also have a HDMI on mobo)

[23:35:17]

high-rez:

Latest alsa == trunk ?

[23:35:22]

high-rez:

I'm running .23 on alsa

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jya:

there's a howto page on the xbmc site

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high-rez:

Not such a recent version of nvidia drivers though

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high-rez:

No kiddin ?

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jya:

currently, the audio device isn't properly detected by alsa

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high-rez:

Interesting. I see it sees it as like 4 separate devices on the card.

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jya:

you have to give ssome parameters to the kernel driver for you to only see one device and not 8

[23:36:32]

jya:

or 4

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high-rez:

Yeah, it's 4 devices.

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high-rez:

But even if I plug it at the right plughw device – if I tell it the device can do Dolby Digital and DTS in addition to LPCM...

[23:37:19]

high-rez:

The audio turns into static. If I say just LPCM the audio is fine.

[23:37:22]

jya:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=HOW-TO_set_up_HDM . . . %2C_or_GT240

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high-rez:

What i'm not at all clear on is, is an .asoundrc still needed these days?

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jya:

usually not

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jya:

and certainly not if all you are using on that machine is mythtv

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high-rez:

Should AC-3/DTS/EAC3 passthrough work fine ?

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jya:

E-AC3 won't

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high-rez:

That's not such a big deal I guess.

[23:38:42]

jya:

there's no passthrough working other than plain DTS and AC3 in linux yet

[23:39:14]

high-rez:

I guess that's not a big deal – decoding EAC3 doesn't seem to take much CPU. I assume there's no advantage in letting my receiver do it ?

[23:39:48]

jya:

not really... except that you won't have a cool E-AC3 light turning out on the receiver

[23:40:13]

jya:

but at this stage, decoding E-AC3 and sending multi-channel LPCM is the only way possible

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high-rez:

I think its interesting that all of the supported modes on my receiver are presnted to linux. :)

[23:40:50]

jya:

what do you mean?

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high-rez:

I'll pastebin it

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high-rez:

http://pastebin.ca/1893216

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high-rez:

That.

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high-rez:

Even sees my receiver model #

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high-rez:

Pretty nifty

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jya:

what it reports is what the gt210 supports

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jya:

not what your amp does

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high-rez:

Ahh ok

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high-rez:

I thought it was getting all that from the amp – since it was able to get the amp model #

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jya:

unfortunately, that info doesn't get back over hdmi

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jya:

not with 1.3 at least

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high-rez:

i see

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jya:

it sees the "monitor" data, from the EDID

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jya:

interesting that it sees AC3 as 8 channels

[23:45:26]

jya:

AC3 can't do 7.1...

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high-rez:

Heh, bug ? :)

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high-rez:

Woh, I went to type bug and "bing" came out. Freudian slip.

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jya:

I'm guessing the reason you can do AC3 and DTS passthrough and that you hear static instead, is because of the ALSA bug

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jya:

you can't do I mean

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high-rez:

are the devices differnet? E.g. card 2 device 3 is used for encoded audio where card 2 device 8 is meant for LPCM or something like that ?

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jya:

would probably work if you selected another device but hw:3,8

[23:47:26]

jya:

normally, the device hdmi is a plug device to the right output

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jya:

two things I can imagine here..

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high-rez:

I see. And alsa figures out the actual hardware to route it to?

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jya:

1- it's an ALSA bug, and it sees more device on that video card that there really is

[23:48:23]

jya:

2- the new code that configure the output for non-audio (e.g. AC3 or DTS passthrough) is buggy

[23:48:51]

jya:

I hope it's not #2 ...

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high-rez:

So how many devices should this piece of hardware actually have? Is therea different device for LPCM than for encoded data streams (like ac3) ?

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jya:

so will be interesting to see once you have ALSA working properly and you only see one audio device on that card

[23:49:17]

jya:

it should have one

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jya:

hdmi that's it

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high-rez:

Alright. Well I'll get it fixed and report back then. got the latest 256 driver. I already have the .23 alsa drivers that the xbmc page said I should be using

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jya:

if you read the XBMC wiki page

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jya:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=HOW-TO_set_up_HDM . . . %2C_or_GT240

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jya:

the give which device to use for which brand and what's known to work

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jya:

but from their list, it seems that if LPCM is supported, then so will DD and DTS

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jya:

I need to get myself one of those cards to try out

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** Beirdo patiently waits for Captain_Murdoch to finish :) **

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah,almost there. :)

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Beirdo:

cool

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