Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 6th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Dassu:

:(

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simcop2387-lap:

wagnerrp: its in a separate package, but yea i think its in the "system" set for staying always installed

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wagnerrp:

nope, didnt come in my stage3

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, does mythnetvision work on your x86 gentoo?

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wagnerrp:

no, i dont run mythtv on x86 gentoo

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Chicago:

Does it work on your 64bit?

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wagnerrp:

last time i tried it a couple months ago

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Chicago:

cool

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

model= parameter for the module...

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Beirdo:

wonder what the options for that are

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simcop2387-lap:

defaults

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simcop2387-lap:

i can't find any i set anywhere

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Beirdo:

I think I need a patch

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Beirdo:

ummm, asound.conf... goes where?

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simcop2387-lap:

Beirdo: /etc

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Beirdo:

k

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simcop2387-lap:

you can also call it .asoundrc and put it in $HOME

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Beirdo:

thanks

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Beirdo:

let's try this... I think I found the model= parameter to set

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

now only rear speakers working

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Beirdo:

BUT it created the other mappings

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Beirdo:

now it's just a matter of mapping them to the right plug... or moving em

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Beirdo:

all but center and LFE

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Beirdo:

I think it might be sending those out the front

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simcop2387-lap:

yea the mapping is fun :)

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Beirdo:

I don't get it :)

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Beirdo:

so close

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Beirdo:

but I just don't get it ;)

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simcop2387-lap:

it took me a while of tweaking it to get it right

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simcop2387-lap:

for the table ones, you've got ttable.N.M V; N is the output channel, M is the input channel, usually 0 and 1 for stereo input, V is the volume of that mapping, for each output channel it should add up to 1 i believe (it might scale it as needed i don't remember)

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simcop2387-lap:

finding out which ones are the output channels is the fun part, once you do that you can use that same pattern to make a proper "surroudn51" that maps things correctly for your card (or even to multiple cards if you take the time)

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Beirdo:

got it

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simcop2387-lap:

:)

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Beirdo:

and put in a stereo->5.1 upmix for use by stuff like mpg123

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Beirdo:

now to reconfigure myth :)

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Beirdo:

next battle

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simcop2387-lap:

Beirdo: spdif makes things nice to do :)

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Beirdo:

I'm sure

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simcop2387-lap:

but i can't do that for normal speakers + headphones like i do on my desktop

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Beirdo:

when I get a receiver, I'll consider it :)

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Beirdo:

for now... this should do well

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simcop2387-lap:

that "toall" device in there is very useful to be able to just switch them by adjusting the volume on the speakers :)

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Beirdo:

once I make myth happy

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Beirdo:

well, I have a 5.1 speaker set

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Beirdo:

and the board will do 7.1, it seems

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I guess I could plug in side speakers

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

blargh

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simcop2387-lap:

?

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Beirdo:

mplayer likes it fine

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Beirdo:

mythtv... nope

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Beirdo:

2010-07–05 22:26:24.081 ALSA, Error: No playback configurations available: Invalid argument

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Beirdo:

Que?!

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simcop2387-lap:

try adding a "plug" device to let alsa change the format as needed?

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simcop2387-lap:

if you don't have it already

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simcop2387-lap:

mplayer will try to match what the device can do itself since it has to handle all kinds of them

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simcop2387-lap:

i don't know if mythtv is as flexible

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Beirdo:

I used your file, and created "pcm.surround" based on plugger

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Beirdo:

how can I override surround51?

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mzb:

it's been a while since I ran mythtv-setup on a new machine

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mzb:

I'm not getting any fonts

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mzb:

I can see empty boxes, but no chars

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mzb:

I've got msttcorefonts installed

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mzb:

what am I missing?

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mzb:

doesn't seem to matter which theme

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mzb:

(defaulting to Tera)

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mzb:

I also use: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1

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Beirdo:

simcop2387-lap: speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 works

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Beirdo:

and -Dsurround51

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Beirdo:

try to use it in myth, super quiet, and I'm not sure it's right

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mzb:

(btw, this is using ssh -X)

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Beirdo:

using ALSA:surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0

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Beirdo:

as selected from the picklist

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simcop2387-lap:

try dropping the :CARD=...

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Beirdo:

http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/1895333

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simcop2387-lap:

Beirdo: is surround51 a plug device going into the "route" device?

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simcop2387-lap:

as much as i hate resampling audio sometimes its unavoidable if you run into that kind of thing

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Beirdo:

errrm

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Beirdo:

it's the same as your toall

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Beirdo:

but mapping the inputs, and named !surround51 to override (as far as I can tell)

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simcop2387-lap:

put a simple; pcm.!surround51 {type plug; slave.pcm realsurround51} pcm.realsurround51 {theotherstuffhere}

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simcop2387-lap:

with a newline instead of the l

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simcop2387-lap:

bah ;

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simcop2387-lap:

can't type today

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simcop2387-lap:

i ran into strange issues too with them before i did that, like it didn't like some formats, but the plug type will "just make it work"

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simcop2387-lap:

it'll do that by resampling, reformatting (8->16 or 16->8 etc) as neccesary

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

no playback configs available

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simcop2387-lap:

hmm

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simcop2387-lap:

i'm not sure why its not working, it works on mine like that...

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simcop2387-lap:

this is one area i don't like about alsa, its so flexible that its annoying

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Beirdo:

http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/asoundrc

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Beirdo:

that's what I'm using

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simcop2387-lap:

well it all LOOKS sane

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Beirdo:

jya: you around?

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simcop2387-lap:

try changing the couple "channels 8" to 6 and see what happens?

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Beirdo:

2010-07–05 22:57:02.017 Opening ALSA audio device 'surround51'.

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Beirdo:

ALSA lib pcm_params.c:2150:(snd1_pcm_hw_refine_slave) Slave PCM not usable

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Beirdo:

I can't. It won't work

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Beirdo:

oh, you mean in the mixer?

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simcop2387-lap:

i'm just guessing at this point :)

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Beirdo:

OK, failing differently

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Beirdo:

now I hear a faint crackling

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simcop2387-lap:

i struggled with it for a while when i got mine going running into strange issues until it started working

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wagnerrp:

apparently the UK government has put up a website which allows users to specify and vote on laws that they would like to see repealed

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wagnerrp:

there are currently several threads about repealing the various laws of thermodynamics

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simcop2387-lap:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

way to make them not take the site seriously

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wagnerrp:

and of course the comments that refusing to repeal them can only end in chaos

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Beirdo:

now front right and front left are missing

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wagnerrp:

'calculations would be much easier if PI was exactly equal to 3'

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wagnerrp:

didnt some state actually pass that into law?

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Beirdo:

if I tell the mixer to have 8 channels, my front channels are back in speaker-test

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wagnerrp:

nah, that was apparently an april fools joke

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simcop2387-lap:

i think it was ohio

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wagnerrp:

alabama

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mzb:

answer to my issue was create mysql.txt with settings for the db

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wagnerrp:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/aprilfool/

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wagnerrp:

the left-handed whopper was pretty good

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wagnerrp:

i still dont understand the purpose of mysql.txt

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i mean we were supposed to move to config.xml

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wagnerrp:

the perl bindings use config.xml

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wagnerrp:

i rewrote the python bindings to use config.xml

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Beirdo:

why the BLEEP is this trying to open it 2 channel?

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Beirdo:

I told it to upmix to 5.1!

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv seems to ignore it and continue to hit mysql.txt

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Beirdo:

BAH

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: apparently burger king had thousands of people come in to restaurants and ask for the left-handed burger

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wagnerrp:

and far more ask for the normal right-handed version

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simcop2387-lap:

i wouldn't have been able to keep a straight face that day if i was working there

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

why is this crappy settings code not letting me tell it that surround51 is 5.1!

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simcop2387-lap:

hmm

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Beirdo:

upmix, you prick!

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Beirdo:

that's it. time to svn up

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Beirdo:

biggest pain ever :)

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simcop2387-lap:

heh

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simcop2387-lap:

yea i haven't run into that just yet simply because i'm just using it to upmix everything, so it might be that there's other strange issues going on when you want to switch

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Beirdo:

quite likely

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Beirdo:

thanks for the leg up though, it really did help

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wagnerrp:

heres a good one.... 1708, a man posts a prediction that some astrologer would pass away on a certain day followed by another blurb confirming his dead

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wagnerrp:

april first when the (supposedly dead astrologer) left his house, people thought they were seeing a dead man, because of course everything in the papers was true

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wagnerrp:

put the astrologer out of business, because he couldnt shake his reputation for being dead

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simcop2387-lap:

hehe

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

people are stupid

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Beirdo:

even 302 years ago :)

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simcop2387-lap:

ok for some reason the slave backend isn't autoexpiring things like it should be to free up space and its getting itself in trouble

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Matt1:

Have any of you got lirc for windows media center remote control to work?

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Matt1:

using the gnome front end it did not detect the receiver

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Matt1:

Is anybody here?

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

almost got it

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

have it working with 2->5.1 in the .asoundrc file

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simcop2387-lap:

heh

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Beirdo:

I stripped it right down

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Beirdo:

removed the dmix completely

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jya:

Beirdo: yes?

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Beirdo:

Oh, I'm having massive issues trying to get mythtv to like my ALSA setup with 5.1

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Beirdo:

I may have just fixed it, but I'm not sure

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simcop2387-lap:

fun with the route plugin in alsa

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jya:

Beirdo: reading your alsaconf stuff.... pfff. what a complicated setup, why bother with all that ?

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Beirdo:

it's a LOT smaller now

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

YAY, and working

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Beirdo:

upmixing in myth now

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jya:

Why do you even bother with a asoundrc config? why don't you let myth do all the work?

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Beirdo:

because the sound card needs me to map the outputs

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jya:

upmixer in myth is going to be greatly superior

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Beirdo:

the upmixing in myth does me no good outside of myth though :)

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Beirdo:

the mapping for 5.1 surround does though

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simcop2387-lap:

jya: he'

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simcop2387-lap:

he's got a funky mapping

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jya:

is there anything to do outside myth though :)

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simcop2387-lap:

mplayer :)

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jya:

would be much easier to just connect your speakers differently

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simcop2387-lap:

and maybe "You Don't Know Jack"

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jya:

and not have to do any remapping

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Beirdo:

yah, use the connection on the front for one of em/

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Beirdo:

don't think so

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Beirdo:

there, updated the asoundrc

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Beirdo:

I'll try simplifying some other time, this is now working.

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Beirdo:

BTW, the audio setup screens need work :)

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jya:

something not even trunk doesn't do

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jya:

it won't manage plug device properly...

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jya:

too many options available

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I'm using trunk :)

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simcop2387-lap:

any easily way to mass "undelete" the recordings?

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jya:

when I say properly, I mean it won't show in the list of device

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jya:

often alsa won't report the size of the buffer either

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simcop2387-lap:

they're just in the deleted group

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Beirdo:

yay, alsa

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Beirdo:

anyways, it's behaving now, thank GOD

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jya:

what was wrong before?

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Beirdo:

the funkiness, I think

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Beirdo:

myth would reject alsa

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Beirdo:

meanwhile, mplayer was happy

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Beirdo:

so it's something we are asking for that they don't or something, I guess

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jya:

Beirdo: if you selected surround51 in the list provided, it would be the real pcm device

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jya:

not the plug one

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jya:

[reading your log now]

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jya:

missing too much info there... you would have had a previous error

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Beirdo:

yeah, look at the asoundrc now :)

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Beirdo:

oh, and trying to find out how to turn the outputs on... dang

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Beirdo:

model=5stack to the driver module

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Beirdo:

and I'm pretty sure it's 7.1 capable

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Beirdo:

but I have 5.1 speakers

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jya:

on my box

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jya:

surround5.1 reports 8 channels available

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simcop2387-lap:

Beirdo: i think i got lucky i didn't have to do any of that

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jya:

my guess is that surround51, surround60 and surround7.1, surround40, all points to the same physical device

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jya:

Beirdo: I still think that simply changing how you connected your speakers would have been easier...

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simcop2387-lap:

in my case i used the route plugin to make an up mixer so i can just switch for my headphones easy, while still having some programs go only to the headphones (sip/skype)

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Beirdo:

jya yeah, but that wasn't possible

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jya:

because you want the pink cable to go with the pink connector :)

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Beirdo:

as one that it seemed to want to have as the default was on the front of the PV

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jya:

?

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Beirdo:

PC

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Beirdo:

I tried every combination

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simcop2387-lap:

jya: maybe he's using spare speakers and things to make a 5.1? i've done that :)

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

it's a Dell 5.1 speaker set

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Beirdo:

anyways, it shoulda been easier :)

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Beirdo:

but it wasn't... thankfully it WORKS now

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simcop2387-lap:

and i'm off to bed

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jya:

good.. that all that matters in the end

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jya:

once it's configured

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jya:

you don't need to worry about it...

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jya:

If you ever get the chance to test 7.1 analog

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Beirdo:

not sure that the subwoofer's getting much of the upmix though

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jya:

I couldn't find any reference to what channel order ALSA use for those

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Beirdo:

yeah, I could try setting up a spare set of speakers as side

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jya:

so I made up something that seemed logical

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jya:

but with alsa, you never know

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Beirdo:

umm, speaker-test -Dsurround71 -c8

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Beirdo:

it should tell ya

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jya:

internally, myth now entirely works with WAV / SMPTE order

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jya:

for analog output

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jya:

have to do 7.1 SMPTE -> ALSA

[03:25:47]

jya:

I don't use analog..

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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jya:

my testing so far has been using my ipod headset

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jya:

plugged in one of the back connector

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Beirdo:

oh jeez

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jya:

not the most convenient way of testing

[03:26:43]

Beirdo:

I do have 5.1 analog running now.

[03:26:44]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

7.1 wouldn't be too hard

[03:27:18]

Beirdo:

although, honestly... my recordings are in stereo

[03:27:23]

jya:

i need to code a test mode, sending pink noise to each channel

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Beirdo:

the HDPVR gives stereo... as does the pvr250

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jya:

I extracted the pink noise generator from speaker-test already

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jya:

doesn't the hdpvr sends out via spdif ?

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Beirdo:

once I get an HD Homerun for OTA, I may get some non-stereo :)

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jya:

it doesn't pass surround ?

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Beirdo:

its INPUT is stereo (as I have it hooked up)

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Beirdo:

component video, stereo sound

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jya:

ah ok...

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Beirdo:

so it's more for movies later :)

[03:29:39]

Beirdo:

and because the speakers are nicer than the crappy little tincans I was using

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Beirdo:

the volume currently leaves something to be desired, but there's a knob for that

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jya:

i need to redo the volume control completely

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jya:

going to completely remove what's currently there

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jya:

volume from myth should always work

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

this is borked

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jya:

without the user knowing what master , opcm etc is

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Beirdo:

I'm only getting front and center

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Beirdo:

no wonder it doesn't sound loud :)

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Beirdo:

just went into alsamixer and started muting things

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jya:

so if using a given alsa device, use the mixer allocated to that device automatically..

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jya:

and activate software control if using passthrough or re-encoded AC3

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Beirdo:

actually...

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Beirdo:

center and right, I think

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jya:

front and center should easily have 90% of the information

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Beirdo:

wha?

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Beirdo:

no they shouldn't

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Beirdo:

rear has... none

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Beirdo:

LFE... none

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Beirdo:

and it sounds like left... none

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jya:

if using myth upmixer

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jya:

there's no LFE

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Beirdo:

ummm

[03:36:14]

Beirdo:

so 5.1 is 5.0?

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jya:

yes

[03:36:28]

Beirdo:

and this is better somehow?

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Beirdo:

I think I'll use the alsa upmixer then

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jya:

well, it's coming from stereo :P

[03:36:54]

jya:

the upmixer in myth

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Beirdo:

right

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jya:

is more in line with DTS-ES one

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jya:

quality-wise

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jya:

it's not using fixed weight value like you've done here

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Beirdo:

I don't care about perceived quality... if most of the speakers are silent, there's no point, is there?

[03:38:07]

jya:

you should definitely have left + right + center very clearly

[03:38:13]

jya:

surround not so much

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Beirdo:

any thought of doing surround decoding?

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jya:

for most TV show

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jya:

the center is likely going to be the loudest

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Beirdo:

quite likely, yes

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Beirdo:

but I would expect the LFE to be used, and the rear speakers...

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jya:

if you check libmythsurround

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jya:

elprocessor.cpp

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Beirdo:

let me go check

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jya:

you have some coefficient you can play with

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jya:

a tad more weight is given to the center channel

[03:39:47]

jya:

you can easily change it

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Beirdo:

OK, there's front left

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jya:

try this one

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jya:

this sample I mean

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Beirdo:

and absolutely nothing in rear

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Beirdo:

either speaker

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jya:

getting the link

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jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/media/videotest/channelsPLII.mpg

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jya:

this is a Pro-Logic II sample

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jya:

so stereo

[03:41:23]

jya:

but with alsa upmixer

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jya:

sorry myth upmixer

[03:41:39]

jya:

you'll get discrete 5.0 channel

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jya:

best way to check if everything is working ok

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Beirdo:

OK, one sec

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jya:

http://www.avenard.org/files/media/videotest/audiotest/

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jya:

you'll find AAC 5.1, DTS, AC3, WMV, mono test sample

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jya:

for full discrete test

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jya:

make sure the upmixer quality is set to best

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jya:

the 6chan48kpink

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jya:

is a file sending pink front left, rear left, center etc

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Beirdo:

OK, it's using rear from that file

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Beirdo:

I guess I'd expect an average TV show to use the rear speakers some

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jya:

funnily, i've had the best upmixing result during ads

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jya:

they usually have better mastered audio

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Beirdo:

and I would definitely expect the LFE to be used :)

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jya:

the LFE gets a bit.. but it's not discrete

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Beirdo:

I would think that a straight-up mix of left/right, then LPF would be what most people would expect

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Beirdo:

add some attenuation perhaps

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jya:

Beirdo: I reused the libmythfreesurround library

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jya:

Foobar played with the weight factor a bit

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jya:

but ultimately, nothing was change there

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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jya:

I doubt we would achieve better result though

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jya:

it's a very good upmixer..

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Beirdo:

well, I'll see how it treats me

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

but it does seem to be working

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Beirdo:

I need to record something with surround

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Beirdo:

heh

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jya:

Beirdo, you could always try this to test the upmixer

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jya:

myth incorporates a downmixer now

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jya:

it's using the pro-logic II matrix coefficient to downmix

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jya:

so if you set myth to output stereo

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jya:

play a 5.1 audio

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jya:

records the audio output from myth with an alsa plug

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jya:

then play back that stereo file, with myth configured in 5.1

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jya:

see what you get :)

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Beirdo:

this will sound SO much better once I have everything set in place

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Beirdo:

unfortunately... rear... requires wires across the floor

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Beirdo:

so lame

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jya:

I got a Yamaha soundbar for that reason

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Beirdo:

yeah well.

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jya:

with kids running arround... couldn't be bothered with high quality speakers anymore

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Beirdo:

later I'll upgrade

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jya:

and in a small room

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jya:

amazing what the yamaha can do

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Beirdo:

Ill run em across the floor, maybe drop an area rug on top

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jya:

I have a YSP-4000, they have 7.1 soundbar these days

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Beirdo:

even though... it's carpeted

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Beirdo:

heh

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jya:

I got rid of my surround speakers in my living room

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jya:

when one got knocked off once again

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Beirdo:

heh

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jya:

and the nice rosewood got damaged again

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Beirdo:

well, I'm once again single... so...

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jya:

:)

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jya:

that's the upside of being single !

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Beirdo:

yeah, there are definite advantages :)

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jya:

sometimes I wish I was... just so I can watch something comfortably

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Beirdo:

the flippin mess I have right now... is cool.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'll be tidying it soon enough.

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Beirdo:

I have the cabinet ready to house the TV stuff

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Beirdo:

but I'm missing one IR emitter and a USB hub

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Beirdo:

should be here tomorrow/day after

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Beirdo:

and then I travel for 10 days

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

hope I have enough disk space

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jya:

looking at the source code of el_surround.cpp right now

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jya:

I love line like this

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jya:

return 2.464833559224702*x – 423.52131153259404*x*y + 67.8557858606918*x*x*x*y + 788.2429425544392*x*y*y – 79.97650354902909*x*x*x*y*y – 513.8966153850349*x*y*y*y + 35.68117670186306*x*x*x*y*y*y + 13867.406173420834*y*asin(x) – 2075.8237075786396*y*y*asin(x) – 908.2722068360281*y*y*y*asin(x) – 12934.654772878019*asin(x)*sin(y) – 13216.736529661162*y*tan(x) +

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jya:

1288.6463247741938*y*y*tan(x) + 1384.372969378453*y*y*y*tan(x) + 12699.231471126128*sin(y)*tan(x) + 95.37131275594336*sin(x)*tan(y) – 91.21223198407546*tan(x)*tan(y);

[03:59:04]

Beirdo:

floating point!

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Beirdo:

blech

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Beirdo:

heh

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jya:

go debug that :)

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Beirdo:

no thanks

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Beirdo:

gah, I missed futurama

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Beirdo:

while fighting with alsa ;)

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Beirdo:

rescheduled for tomorrow evening

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jya:

I never managed to get hooked to futurama

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jya:

I guess I never watched it carefully enough

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justinh:

it's back on? meh it'

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justinh:

it's prolly only on Sky One here anyway

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Beirdo:

it is on Comedy Central now here

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justinh:

is comedy central FTA over there?

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justinh:

expect it's not. pay tv where they break shows up to show ads are just wrong IMHO

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Beirdo:

heck no

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justinh:

oh man, thunderbird SUCKS

[04:14:33]

Beirdo:

it's normal cable/satellite

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justinh:

scrolling through my emails is like chug chug chug chug...

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Beirdo:

anyeays, bed time

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justinh:

ugh. a script on this page has become unresonsive. WTH is javascript doing in an email client? :-O

[05:00:40]

sid3windr:

making it work

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sid3windr:

:p

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sid3windr:

"work" I mean

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justinh:

I do like thunderbird's dynamically updated search effigy though

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justinh:

and since shifting over 3000 emails into folders again it seems a bit more snappy

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eps_:

I have my digital (dvb-t) card setup and working but I am only getting 62% signal strength from the strongest channel. my antenna is 10* or so off of the correct direction to the transmitter. would this be the cause of my issue?

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eps_:

or would it be more likely that I've mis-configured by card?

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justinh:

mythtv is reporting 62%?

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justinh:

I only believe femon

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justinh:

and even then you have to know how to interpret the numbers. mythtv assumes the driver reports signal level & quality a certain way – which isn't always the case

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eps_:

what is femon?

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eps_:

me-tv also reports almost identical signal data

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justinh:

femon is one of the dvb utils programs

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eps_:

just found it via google, I shall try that

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justinh:

I find that the signal level is actually the inverse of what you'd expect with my card's drivers

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eps_:

I'm wondering what my best course of action would be. the single connection between the antenna and the pc (plug in the wall) is correctly seated and teh antenna is unmovable

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justinh:

i.e. lower numbers == stronger signal

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eps_:

haha oh I see

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justinh:

some drivers differ

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justinh:

the numbers you should *really* be looking at are BER and UNC

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justinh:

Bit Error Rate and Uncorrectable errors

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justinh:

oh and SNR. SNR should be as high as possible (up to FFFF)

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justinh:

BER and UNC should both be as near to zero as possible.

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eps_:

SNR sits between 99 and 100% for most channels

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eps_:

I'll look at BER and UNC now, when I work out femon

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eps_:

FE: Philips TDA10046H DVB-T (DVBT)

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eps_:

status VY | signal 50% | snr 49% | ber 81338 | unc 0 |

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eps_:

should I be running this while changing channels or?

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eps_:

ah yes

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justinh:

with digital TV the concept of channels is out of the window really

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justinh:

ow. bad SNR, and very high BER

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justinh:

your signal is mush

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eps_:

status SCVYL | signal 53% | snr 99% | ber 8122 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK <--- this is on the channel I wish to watch

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justinh:

ber is way too high

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justinh:

you'll be seeing frequent blocking, jumps & all kinds of nasty stuff

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justinh:

am I right?

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eps_:

oh yes, especially while trying to watch the tour de france :P

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eps_:

okay so a bad ber would suggest an issue with the co-ax cable I'm using or with the antenna? (or both?)

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justinh:

so channels on other frequencies perform better?

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eps_:

I'd guess a problem with the connections

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justinh:

it can be interference, or all kinds of things

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justinh:

oh FFS I've got to run environmental tests on a unit I tested 3 months ago because some **** lost the results

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eps_:

status SCVYL | signal 61% | snr 100% | ber 466 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK <--- this is my highest signal channel

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justinh:

that's still not very good

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eps_:

much lower ber but fast action still ends with jaggies

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justinh:

you need to deinterlace the video, then

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eps_:

done, I will see if that improves it

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justinh:

ARGHH. How can I run environmental tests when I don't have any thermocouples?!

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justinh:

Oh well. it's gonna have to wait til I've ordered some more

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eps_:

grab a candle :P

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eps_:

okay so justinh I need to focus more on reducing the ber than on the signal strength? ... could that be caused by the offset of the antenna from the transmitter? (I can't imagine that would cause the issue)

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justinh:

it's always the same. they decide the spec says the machine will run up to 50 degrees C, then we test it & find that the internal temperature exceeds the HDD's max temp rating

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justinh:

and the video codec chip is hot enough to boil water on

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justinh:

eps_: yes. signal quality is king

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justinh:

eps_: experiment – and replacing the coax with better quality cable can't harm either

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eps_:

justinh, you should live in australia. we find out specs are worthless every summer with temps up to 50*c

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justinh:

overall foil screened cable

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justinh:

not the crappy old UHF coax with like 50% screen coverage

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justinh:

and foam insulator in the middle, not the crummy air spaced PVC junk

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map7_:

Has anyone here got a HVR-2200 working correctly with SBS in Australia?

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eps_:

the antenna appears to be a good quality one, it can't go any further towards the transmitter due to a chimney but that isn't blocking it, it should have LOS.

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eps_:

I am using a 10m cheap coax cable from the wall to the pc though

[05:51:50]

eps_:

this cable has plasic (see through) around the copper and wire+foil around that but it is pretty thin compared to normal coax

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eps_:

map7_, do your other channels work?

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map7_:

yes all other channels work

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map7_:

and I can get SBS to work sometimes

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map7_:

once SBS is working if I change channel to channel 7 then back to SBS it stops working

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eps_:

usually SBS are on another broadcasting tower (some times with ABC)

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map7_:

it sits on 'LMs' so i suspect it's not getting signal

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eps_:

LMs is a partial lock I think, me-tv usually picks those up (I'm watching sbs using me-tv now)

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map7_:

but on my other mythtv box I can watch SBS fine and switch between channels

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eps_:

which region are you in?

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justinh:

eps_: try swapping the feed from the socket to the PC

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justinh:

use real coax :)

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map7_:

eps, oak park

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eps_:

justinh, I'll try a shorter length I have, when I can work up the effort to move the whole pc

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map7_:

I've brought some high quality coax

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eps_:

map7_, are you using the mt dandenog or geelong transmitter?

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eps_:

(I haven't lived here long so the spellings might be wrong)

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map7_:

well I'm using the settings in au-Melbourne (which I suspect are mt dandy).

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eps_:

yeah it is

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eps_:

depending on the age that file might be out of date

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eps_:

several channels were 'flipped' late last year

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map7_:

eps are you using a HVR-2200

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eps_:

no I am not

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map7_:

the date on the au-Melbourne file is 10/02/2010 so it should be the new one

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eps_:

yes that sounds correct. what card are you using in the other mythtv box that does work?

[06:00:17]

map7_:

I also have a sometimes issue with channel 9 and have heard that these channels are in a different codec than the rest of the channels is this correct?

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eps_:

I don't know I'm sorry. it is up in qld on the mt kynock transmitter but other than that I do not know

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map7_:

HVR Nova-T single PCI, but it uses an old version of mythbuntu that uses mplayer I think

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eps_:

I think you should look to increase the lock time allowed in mythsetup and also check dmesg for any firmware errors related to your hvr2200

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map7_:

ok thanks I'll give that a go and get back to you

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justinh:

grr. starting to get tired of all these firefox updates now

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justinh:

arghh. stupid. retarded ####ing product!

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map7_:

eps just installed me-tv and I used the same channels.conf for importing the channels. In me-tv I can change between SBS to 7 and back to SBS without problems

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map7_:

so that should rule out a lot of things, the hardware, cables and firmware am I correct?

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justinh:

yup

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map7_:

ok I changed the timeout to 10seconds and the problem still happens with SBS

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map7_:

there are no firmware errors in dmesg

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map7_:

there is however some errors in the mythbackend log

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map7_:

which i've pasted here: http://pastie.org/1032457

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justinh:

looks like you need to rescan

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justinh:

so we've got all these DVRs we sell – and their default setting is NOT to record anything

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map7_:

I've done a few rescans before, but not today with the latest mythtv patches

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map7_:

and now it seems to be working! I'll reboot and see if it works.

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map7_:

justinh, it works after a reboot :)

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map7_:

thanks guys!

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map7_:

I've been fighting this problem for ages

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justinh:

what would rebooting have solved? :-O

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map7_:

rebooting didn't solve it

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map7_:

the rescan, the updates and the extra timeout solved it

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map7_:

I just wanted to make sure that on boot it works

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justinh:

aha

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map7_:

justinh, When I boot my mythbuntu box I get the error 'Could not connect to the master backend server — is it runing? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?' but only for about 10 seconds and then it disappears

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eps_:

map7_, great news :)

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map7_:

is this anything to worry about?

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eps_:

no

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eps_:

your mythbackend is starting at the same time as mythfrontend

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eps_:

you really want the backend up and running before the frontend

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eps_:

on my myth computers one takes about 8 seconds and the other 5 seconds and ubuntu does all the staggering for me

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map7_:

is there a way to set priority on startup scripts?

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eps_:

there is but I couldn't work it out when I had a quick look. ubuntu moved to upstart which is confusing. on the old init.d system it's pretty straight forward

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map7_:

yeah I haven't looked much at upstart myself.

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eps_:

I reboot my myth computer roughly once every six months so I don't care enough to fix it

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map7_:

yeah I suppose I shouldn't worry about this one

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map7_:

I'm just building it for my boss and he might ask questions about the error, so I was trying to make it look clean

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eps_:

okay well there are a bunch of people talking about how to do it when you google, I just didn't have the chance to make sense of it

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map7_:

yep I'm reading some now, just wanted to know if it was a startup thing or not

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map7_:

thanks

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map7_:

When setting up a remote frontend what's the difference between saving the 'database details' and the 'backend details'?

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justinh:

you don't put the backend details in

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justinh:

or rather, you shouldn't have to

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justinh:

a frontend can locate a backend by looking at the database

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map7_:

yes it automatically finds them then asks me the question 'save database details' or 'save backend details'

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map7_:

so does 'save backend details' just save the name of my backend I like to connect to on the remote frontend?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

there can be only one master backend

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map7_:

yes I understand. When I start me remote frontend for the first time it finds my backend, I select it, then it asks if I would like to save the details. The options are save database details, save backend details or don't save. what's the difference between saving the database details or the backend details?

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justinh:

I dont remember ever having had to save backend details

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justinh:

database details sure

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map7_:

yeah I've only recently seen this when setting up the new mythtv remote frontends

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justinh:

yet another triumph of the documentation :-\

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map7_:

I suppose I'll just continue saving the database details.

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justinh:

the only changeset I can find relating to it might be http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15618

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justinh:

which is about as clear as mud

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justinh:

do whatever works for you :)

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map7_:

well the database details has always worked and still works for me

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map7_:

but you always wonder what the other option is for

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map7_:

especially when there is no documentation about the other option

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justinh:

for the 5 minutes it'd have taken whoever committed the feature to update the docs, this is silly

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map7_:

oh well I'm just happy I've got my new mythtv build all working with my HVR-2200, EPG through shepherd and a remote frontend over wifi tonight

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map7_:

I think I'll quit whilst I'm ahead

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justinh:

ugh. good luck with the wireless

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map7_:

The wireless is just for my notebook at home, seems to be working nice

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map7_:

Wireless-N mind you

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map7_:

With the end solution all the frontends will be wired

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map7_:

and diskless

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justinh:

I used to have a diskless frontend

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justinh:

pain in the backside

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map7_:

This new system will be replacing a system I built two years ago for my boss which has 6 diskless frontends

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justinh:

stupid sky2 network controller sometimes wouldn't come up at boot

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map7_:

and I use diskless thin clients at work

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justinh:

one boot in 4 would fail. proper pain in the arse

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map7_:

that sounds bad.

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justinh:

so upgraded my laptop's hdd & put the old laptop drive in the frontend :)

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justinh:

now as good as diskless

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justinh:

only without the stupid temperamental NIC

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justinh:

mind, it seems to come up with network everytime now

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map7_:

yeah I've had issues with bad NICs and thin clients

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justinh:

I might use a uSB bootloader in future or summink

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map7_:

I try and stick with intel and realtek chipsets

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justinh:

about time motherboard flash was big enough to put the bloomin kernel on

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map7_:

yeah USB bootloaders are a great idea

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map7_:

i agree

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justinh:

the cheapness of it all. sheesh

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justinh:

imagine what you could do with half a gig :)

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justinh:

oh dear. this isn't good. at room temp, the video codec in this DVR is reaching 71 deg C

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map7_:

wow

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justinh:

they've specced the unit to 50'C

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justinh:

oops

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map7_:

well I'm going to call it a night, thanks again with the problem solving.

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justinh:

np

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justinh:

hahaha HDD spindle temp is 78.7'C

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justinh:

so at 50 deg C... er... whoops

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justinh:

room temp is 23.6.. so... 50 – 23.6 + 78.8 == Just a tad out of spec for a 2.5" HDD. ROFL

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somethinginteres:

hi all. Does anyone know if it is possible to have Myth start the TV viewing and watching recordings on a second monitor (TV) but still keep the GUI to navigate menus and select programs in the guide etc on the main monitor?

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justinh:

Yes. I know it's not possible

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wagnerrp:

set the monitors up in clone mode

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somethinginteres:

OK thanks guys

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justinh:

strange use case if you ask me, but hey hp

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justinh:

*ho

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k-man:

is this channel logged anywhere?

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wagnerrp:

!url log

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MythLogBot:

log: try !url logs... It's log, it's log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood!

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wagnerrp:

!url logs

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MythLogBot:

logs: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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k-man:

damn it! i looked in the wiki and couldn't see it, asked here, now i look again at the wiki and of course it's there

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k-man:

thanks wagnerrp

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clever:

k-man: check the edit log on the wiki, he may have added it just now!

[11:05:42]

k-man:

clever: yeah maybe but i think it was my fault for being blind

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PennStateJoe74:

just saw the hd-pvr has a new driver posted on their support website (6/23/10). anyone know if i should download it/

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PennStateJoe74:

i'm assuming i will need to install it on a windows machine like the previous driver (firmware) upgrades....

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** sphery wonders, "Why zip instead of my favorite compression algorithm..." **

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery commit

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a commit trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

woah! it's iamlindoro!

[11:40:04]

sphery:

I'm so upset with you...

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iamlindoro:

Or a reasonable facsimile

[11:40:17]

sphery:

You disappeared right when I discovered metadata.

[11:40:50]

sphery:

Since you couldn't get the blow-by-blow report of my thoughts, I guess you'll just have to settle for the summary:

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sphery:

8-D

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sphery:

(I love it.)

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iamlindoro:

ha

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iamlindoro:

what did you discover about it?

[11:41:41]

iamlindoro:

and wonder what prompted the discovery

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sphery:

I upgraded to 0.23-fixes (finally), and set it up for MythVideo and Watch Recordings, and it really makes the UI better.

[11:42:00]

sphery:

(thanks for forcing me to admit how far behind I was.)

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iamlindoro:

ahhhhh, well glad you are enjoying it

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sphery:

It's great. Thanks for adding the features.

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iamlindoro:

Aww

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sphery:

I have some family visiting for a couple of weeks, and when I get a chance (possibly after), I'll get the recordedfile schema changes going.

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iamlindoro:

Thanks, I like it too, though hopefully it can be made better/more integrated with some help

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, those changes are probably key

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sphery:

yeah, I know a lot of it is waiting on the schema changes, so ...

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iamlindoro:

Think at this point really doing them right means .25, so no real rush

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iamlindoro:

still would be nice to start on that work early in a cycle to polish it, though

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sphery:

Yeah, 0.24 will be a challenge for that much, but we can get things going before 0.24. We should be able to get the schema in place and then do incremental conversion. Could actually finish the conversion for 0.24, probably.

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PennStateJoe74:

i recently moved to a new house and re-did my setup. one of the things i had to do was take my sata dvd/cd rom drive and connect it via a 10 foot usb cable using a sata to usb adapter. now ubuntu no longer seems to recognize the drive. any suggestions...

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sphery:

anyway, I'll talk with you more about it once I start adding the changes.

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iamlindoro:

sounds like a plan

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PennStateJoe74:

nothing in /etc/fstab about that drive. maybe a udev rule needs to be changed or something

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sphery:

PennStateJoe74: perhaps Ubuntu needs a vision test and glasses to correct near-sightedness

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iamlindoro:

PennStateJoe74: Perhaps #ubuntu might be more topical?

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sphery:

Then it might be able to see/recognize the drive from a distance?

[11:46:51]

sphery:

I agree, though, #ubuntu would likely be more helpful.

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PennStateJoe74:

ok

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skd5aner:

Canada – you are welcome, as I've approved a bazillion of your icons in the last week

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wagnerrp:

how do you hose bash on a system

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skd5aner:

also, thank God for dual monitors

[11:49:22]

wagnerrp:

dont most distros rely fairly heavily on bash?

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skd5aner:

I think ubuntu uses "dash" as it's default shell

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wagnerrp:

died again shell?

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skd5aner:

dash – the Debian Almquist Shell

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skd5aner:

that said, I changed mine to use bash

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** wagnerrp prepares another big commit **

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... "Girls for marriage"... what next...

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justinh:

don't know what the differences are between the various shells. a shell is a shell innit?

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justinh:

apart from the obvious annoyances like colouring ls etc

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wagnerrp:

for terminal use, they can generally be made to behave the same

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wagnerrp:

for scripting purposes, there are some significant differences

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Standerd:

hi

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Standerd:

it's not really a VLC question but #hardware appears locked, and I figured people here would know. I'm a novice who wants to encode a family VHS tape, eg to have it in an AVI or some other digital format. I have a VHS player with a Composite Video Out yellow slot, and a friend has a video card with a Composite Video In video slot. Is this enough to be able to convert the tape?

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wagnerrp:

assuming you have drivers for it

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Standerd:

the video card? yes

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wagnerrp:

however mythtv is not designed for, or optimal for such usage

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wagnerrp:

the capture card

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wagnerrp:

'video card' usually refers to an output card

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Standerd:

oh, I don't have a capture card

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have a card that could capture video, just how do you intend to capture video?

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Standerd:

well...does the fact that the video card have a Video In slot means it doubles as a capture card?

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wagnerrp:

VIVO stuff on video cards is generally poorly supported on linux

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wagnerrp:

!url tuner

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword tuner

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Standerd:

I have access to Windows Server 2008, no worries

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wagnerrp:

then you really should not be asking in here

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wagnerrp:

this channel is specifically for help using mythtv, and can be used for some general linux capture information

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Standerd:

allright, thanks for your time though

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wagnerrp:

but we dont support capture under windows in any form

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justinh:

FWIW in my experience VIVO cards barely even work in windows nevermind linux :)

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Standerd:

I'm nowhere near that far yet, I just wanted to ask around before I install my friend's video card in my computer (so I wouldn't have to unplug, open case, replace vidcard etc for nothing)

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Standerd:

thanks again

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** wagnerrp wonders if other channels get requests for similarly unrelated help **

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Beirdo:

probably

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wagnerrp:

http://gizmodo.com/5580330

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Beirdo:

so my mythbox will get a workout tonight

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Beirdo:

it will be recording solid from 5:30 until 11pm

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Beirdo:

the longest break it gets is 1min

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

as one show is 7:01–8:00

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Beirdo:

oh, no break.

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Beirdo:

the show before is 6:00–7:01

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Beirdo:

thanks, Discovery Channel... at least they are back to back on the same channel

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Beirdo:

ehh

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wagnerrp:

im pretty much empty tonight, just reruns

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dewman:

will scte65scan also pick up the music channels as long as the channels are in clear qam?

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iamlindoro:

scte65scan isn't a scanner, really, it just reads the SCTE-65 tables... so if your provider puts the music channels in those tables, they will appear

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iamlindoro:

ie, if a DTA would get those channels, they'll be in the SCTE-65 tables, and thus will appear in the output of scte65scan

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dewman:

iamlindoro, thanks...

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dewman:

iamlindoro, so if scte65scan shows a bunch of timeouts does that mean that the provider is not using them?

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dewman:

scte-65 tables that is.

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iamlindoro:

If that's all it shows and it doesn't output anything in the end, then correct, no SCTE-65 tables

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iamlindoro:

if your provider has not rolled out DTAs, there is no good reason they would be

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dewman:

ok, so from there the best bet would be to use the scan utility that is built into myth.

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iamlindoro:

yes

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dewman:

iamlindoro, what happened is that my provider moved a bunch of channels around, i was hoping for a simplified way of bringing the channels back in without having to do a lot of hand editing..

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benoit35:

hi all, i have updated to 0.23 branches last day and i can't launch any video since, i'm using qt 4.5.3

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dewman:

iamlindoro, thanks....that helps...

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iamlindoro:

dewman: np, good luck

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justinh:

benoit35: and your logs say what?

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justinh:

and by video what do you mean?

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iamlindoro:

That would be telling

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justinh:

welcome back btw iamlindoro :) Heard you'd taken a break

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iamlindoro:

Slight break, then 9 days in the forest

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iamlindoro:

But thanks

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benoit35:

video = dvd,tv,avi...

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Beirdo:

don't get eaten by a bear

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benoit35:

mythfrontend log : http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1895611

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I'm back, so I escaped that fate ;)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: in trunk... there don't seem to be HD1080i or HD720p icons in the frontend in Arclight.

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justinh:

ooo mythfrontend has taste not playing that disc

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Beirdo:

is this due to the new stuff rolling in that hasn't made it into the themes yet or something?

[14:21:16]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Arclight has them, but it's quite likely the pginfo refactor broke the flags

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iamlindoro:

Think there may be an open ticket on that

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Beirdo:

K. just so you know there is a disconnect there :)

[14:21:47]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8589

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iamlindoro:

So it does appear to have been the pginfo refactor

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justinh:

benoit35: was mythtv all you upgraded? like umm.. did you upgrade the distro too?

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iamlindoro:

danielk should probably check that patch

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Beirdo:

oh look at that :)

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Beirdo:

and another thing (not the theme's fault)

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Beirdo:

the HD icon is bogus

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Beirdo:

it should be determined by the file content, not the listings data (once it's recorded)

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benoit35:

no just mythtv, i'm using a personnal dristro based on lfs and archlinux

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Beirdo:

not the theme's issue :)

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Beirdo:

it's just getting bogus data, and doing what it's told

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benoit35:

i have a message saying please wait and nothing else mythfrontend doesn't respond anymore

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre going into livetv, and your backend is not properly starting a recording

[14:28:20]

wagnerrp:

check you backend logs for errors indicating why

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre in mythvideo, not recordings

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justinh:

can't say I've ever known anybody here have problems getting video to display at all

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iamlindoro:

Unless that someone steamrolled .23 libs over .22 ones

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benoit35:

my backend log http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1895621

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iamlindoro:

yuck, what's with all the high verbosity logs?

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iamlindoro:

Makes them less helpful, not moreso

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iamlindoro:

also the excerpts aren't helpful-- logs at normal verbosity, from start to finish are a lot more likely to be helpful

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you mean those 19ms of data arent enough?

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iamlindoro:

heh

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benoit35:

ok i repost with less information

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wagnerrp:

benoit35: the first post was playing a dvd, the second was watching a recording

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wagnerrp:

are you saying all video playback is failing?

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benoit35:

with normal verbosity, nothing in backend log

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iamlindoro:

We want logs from backend startup

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benoit35:

are you sure i have exited xbmc before

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wagnerrp:

what does xbmc have anything to do with?

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iamlindoro:

not just some random excerpt from when you notice the problem

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benoit35:

full log from startup to crash http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1895623

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benoit35:

wagnerrp : yes all video playback give the same "waiting..."

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benoit35:

wagnerrp : but all is working with xbmc as frontend

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** iamlindoro stands by his "failed to clean old libs" guess **

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benoit35:

and the frontend log from startup : http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1895626

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benoit35:

i have tried to change internal player with mplayer for mythvideo and when i exited mplayer i can't control mythfrontend anymore

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justinh:

death to external players!

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benoit35:

yes but Internal Player fails since update

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iamlindoro:

s/since update/since uncleanly installing .23 libs over .22 ones/

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youve got a lot of unrelated problems going on... i agree with bad libs

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benoit35:

i have no 0.22 lib anymore : http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1895628

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iamlindoro:

You have no .22 libs *in that dir*

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benoit35:

but 0.22 was installed when i have compiled 0.23. is it explain that ?

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

you should've uninstalled any packages first

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** justinh wanders off to try to get blood out of a different stone **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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benoit35:

i have remove all mythtv file, ldconfig say no lib mentionning myth. I try to recompile

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benoit35:

same thing, ihave just recompiling mythtv (no pluguins) and when i launched tv nothing, just waiting

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benoit35:

escape doesn't exit internal player

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benoit35:

revision is 25189

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benoit35:

would you like i tried to compile trunk ?

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dustybin:

i got mythvideo to play .pls radio stream files :D my joggler is now ready to wake me up with net radio :D

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iamlindoro:

I think "got" might be overstating things, since there is nothing whatsoever special about adding an extension and having mplayer/etc play them

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** dustybin doesnt want to get banned so stays silent **

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bjd:

permanently

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bjd:

:)

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: still at UC?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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KungFuJesus:

cool

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KungFuJesus:

my undergrad will be had by the end this coming year :-p

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wagnerrp:

hopefully my grad will be had by the end of the quarter

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benoit35:

iamlindoro: sorry can you see this http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1895673

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high-rez:

So, i'm a bit confused agbout the whole digital out thing with also. Generally speaking, if you want to output to HDMI, should an HDMI device have on channel (subdevice) or many ?

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high-rez:

On my hardware, for example, I understand that due to a bug I have to specify the specific plughw device in order to get alsa to output correctly.

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wagnerrp:

digital... audio?

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high-rez:

Right, digital audio.

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wagnerrp:

that depends on your hardware

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wagnerrp:

some hardware outright doesnt support muxing into HDMI

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high-rez:

Well I have an nvidia onboard hdmi (not in use) and a geforce 210.

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high-rez:

The question is with the geforce 210, how many subdevices should it have ?

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wagnerrp:

some only supports SPDIF over HDMI, and requires you connect the SPDIF headers to your board to pass through

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high-rez:

Mine has four subdevices, but I think I read that its an enumeration bug ?

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wagnerrp:

a GF210 should have onboard hardware, for proper output

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wagnerrp:

i would imagine it would have one audio device per output

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high-rez:

Right, my card has real hdmi audio. But how many subdevices should it have ?

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high-rez:

And if it is supposed to have multiple devices (the hdmi output) – are those devices used for different thnings? E.g. device 3 for ac3/dts, device8 for lpcm ?

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high-rez:

E.g. this is the aplay -l output for my geforce 210: http://pastebin.ca/1895703

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Beirdo:

ALSA.. aaaaaahhhhh!!!

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** Beirdo runs away screaming **

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high-rez:

Alsa drives me nuts :)

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high-rez:

I love how the pc speaker is now an alsa device

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Beirdo:

cat /dev/kmem > /dev/dsp

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that used to be my "go/no go" test with OSS

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high-rez:

I like /dev/urandom better. Its much more random, though not really.

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Beirdo:

if you get silence... your sound ain't workin

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Beirdo:

speaker-test is useful though for alsa

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Beirdo:

I used it a LOT last night

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high-rez:

Yeah speaker test is *grrreat*

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Beirdo:

like Tony the Tiger

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high-rez:

You know Tony the tiger isn't such a good guy any more. Turns out he was shaking kids down.

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Beirdo:

it's grreeeaaaat!

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Beirdo:

oh wait

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Beirdo:

coulda been worse things to do with kids.

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Beirdo:

but I digress

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high-rez:

That whole thread was a digression :)

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high-rez:

I wonder if I could just take the pci-id/subid for myonboard audio out of the alsa drivers

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test4:

it works ! now i need a script to change channel

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justinh:

wish alsa came with more useful configs than just plain surround junk

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justinh:

stupid impenetrably documented thing

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

it was a bang-my-head-on-the-wall night

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Beirdo:

it seemed to want to put one set of speakers coming out the front panel, and the rest out the back

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justinh:

I had a kind of working setup for another player to use the analogue rear output, but sometimes it was messing up mythtv audio too

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Beirdo:

so I had to remap outputs

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justinh:

so it had to go

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Beirdo:

but before I went to sleep, I had it working

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Beirdo:

the thing woulda kept me up all night, I bet

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

last time I pulled an allnighter with a computer it was due to alsa

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justinh:

6.30am and I was still no more wise

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justinh:

much prefer staying out sinking JD & dancing til that time, so I stick to that rather than fight stupid audio stuff

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

I do really need to get that working but I just can't face it

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justinh:

I'll go into the attic & dig out my spare USB audio thing since the ones on ebay just fizzled & smoked

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

no smokin the USB devices. There's better stuff available

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Beirdo:

need louder headphones

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Beirdo:

the iPod is not nearly loud enough for me

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Beirdo:

stupid 32ohm headphones...

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Beirdo:

pretty sure I'm losing volume by lowering the current with a higher load impedence

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Beirdo:

AC/DC at least has nice stereo separation on their live album

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justinh:

heh no I just plugged one in, the LED came on – then I fiddled about & played some sound – and then it went pfft. Smoke came out of it

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Beirdo:

no releasing magic smoke :)

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justinh:

then I plugged the other one I'd ordered & it did exactly the same lol

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Beirdo:

you should know... electronics operate on magic smoke...

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Beirdo:

and once you release it, they never work again

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

Beirdo: you need better headphones. sennheiser ftw :)

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Beirdo:

I know.

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Beirdo:

my old Senns finally died after about 12 years of service

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justinh:

actually I got some real cheap JVC in ear ones – they're amazing

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justinh:

best bass I've ever heard

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Beirdo:

I like larger over the ear ones best

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Beirdo:

they have double use... nice sound...

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justinh:

yeah me too but I hate looking like a plank in public ;)

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Beirdo:

and telling others to leave me alone :)

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Beirdo:

this is for at the office :)

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justinh:

arghh I STILL keep pressing INFO to delete a recording

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justinh:

and *I* am the guy who sent the patch in to fix that

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Beirdo:

I could use some decent in-ear ones for the bus trip. etc though

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Beirdo:

with mic

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Beirdo:

iPhone++

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justinh:

heh

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Beirdo:

justinh: and your patch is in, and you still are doing something?

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Beirdo:

Oh, I need to rerip all of Back in Black

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Beirdo:

swishy swishy

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Beirdo:

gotta find that CD at home

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justinh:

heh the patch made INFO bring up programme info & now MENU is contextual :)

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justinh:

didn't start using that code for ages after it was committed. my bad entirely, so the old muscle memory remains

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Beirdo:

the program info (at least on my setup) in the recorded program screen... unusably small font

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Beirdo:

I'm pretty sure I'm still missing something

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

anyhoos.. time for some well needed Zzz

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Beirdo:

3pm... yeah about time for a nap

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

night :)

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Beirdo:

time for AC/DC – Crapsody in Blue

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Beirdo:

I want Animaniacs back... kthxbi

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Brik1:

Hey all – anyone up for a HDHomerun/Schedules direct/channels listing question?? More a concept question versus a particular tech question.

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Brik1:

How does Schedules Direct match up with the channels? Is it by name, channel number (whatever that is) or xmlid?

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Beirdo:

ver needs to invest in some reverse DNS :)

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bradlis7:

I can't seem to get rid of the line of junk on top of certain tuned channels

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bradlis7:

I've tried adjusting scan displacement

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bradlis7:

And when I move the GUI behind the toolbar, it still shows up

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bradlis7:

I'm using the latest version in the ubuntu repos

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Brik1:

bradlis7 – i would love if that was my only issue ;)

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bradlis7:

haha. it's minor, but from my searches, scan displacement should do the trick, and it's annoying that it doesn't

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Brik1:

I have seen that but i'm still trying to sort out guide data and channel listings

[19:02:42]

bradlis7:

@Brik1, I've spent 3–4 days getting it working (at least most of the time), and getting my channels

[19:02:53]

bradlis7:

channel editing is not user friendly...

[19:03:25]

bradlis7:

nobody knows how to fix scan displacement though?

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Brik1:

nope – i sort of was hoping I could find a channels.conf file, i found some guy who did a sql query of his channels, not too helpful.

[19:04:14]

bradlis7:

hm

[19:04:19]

bradlis7:

well, i installed mythweb

[19:04:21]

Brik1:

isnt there a setting for overscan adjustment?

[19:04:22]

bradlis7:

it's slightly easier

[19:04:35]

bradlis7:

"Scan displacement" is overscan

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Beirdo:

umm

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Beirdo:

scan displacement = overscan?!

[19:05:24]

Beirdo:

I think someone is getting confused

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Beirdo:

anyways, isn't there something on the wiki for that?

[19:05:45]

Brik1:

does the appearance wizzzard do anything for you?

[19:06:00]

bradlis7:

that's where scan displacement is

[19:06:03]

bradlis7:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Overscan

[19:06:15]

** skd5aner has lived in too many cities – he can recognize too many local network affiliate icons in the icon editor :S **

[19:06:30]

bradlis7:

it also has vertical/horizontal scaling

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: heh, fun

[19:07:04]

Beirdo:

it's not just displacement. Overscan includes all directions last I heard

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Brik1:

in general playback there is horiz and vert scalling too

[19:07:14]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: I know you mentioned you go in on occasion, I wanted to give you an idea of how I'm tackling them...

[19:07:16]

Brik1:

screen2

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Beirdo:

!url overscan

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MythLogBot:

overscan: http://hd.engadget.com/2010/05/27/hd-101-over . . . l-tvs-do-it/

[19:07:30]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: cool

[19:07:46]

Brik1:

my tv also has a "pixel for pixel" mode

[19:07:58]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: If there's a local network icon, I always pick that one (as long as it's valid... if it's only the generic national network icon, I do not approve it, I leave it as-is...

[19:08:06]

Brik1:

when thats enabled I see the artifacts you describe

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: sounds the same as my methodology

[19:08:20]

skd5aner:

... that way it's there for someone to pick, but it won't prevent them from getting a local network affiliate icon when/if one eventually shows up

[19:08:44]

Brik1:

when its not enabled I get the overscan (cuts off top some)

[19:08:58]

skd5aner:

so, if you go in, you'll probably see a lot of fox, nbc, abc, and cbs icons that technically would work, but if we "approve" them now, then the folks would never benefit if a local icon ever came around

[19:08:58]

Beirdo:

cuts all sides off including the top

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Beirdo:

true nuff

[19:09:56]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: I really do try to validate everything between zap2it/xmltvid, wikipedia, network/affiliate website, and lyngsat, so I hope it goes to good use for folks

[19:09:57]

Beirdo:

if you have nvidia card, I thought there was a way to fix that in the setup of X somehow

[19:09:58]

Brik1:

weird question, is there a way to generate a channels.conf from the winzode HDHomerun setup tool?

[19:10:21]

bradlis7:

@Brik1, but I show toolbars on my screen. I don't want the tv to cut it off, I want myth to do it

[19:10:31]

skd5aner:

If you are looking to lesson overscan, you can use nvidia-settings and modify overscan with the slider... but you must SAVE the settings for them to span x sessions

[19:11:00]

skd5aner:

however, my problem is I have underscan, and the tool doesn't allow you to "grow" the screen to create overscan

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Beirdo:

bradlis7: you want a cropping in playback?

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Beirdo:

I don't think that's supported

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bradlis7:

yes

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Beirdo:

I could be wrong though

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bradlis7:

ok, then what is scan displacement for?

[19:11:45]

Beirdo:

I dunno. For someone else to explain? :)

[19:12:19]

Beirdo:

I'm fine with my setup the way it is, it never was necessary to remove that normally-off-the-screen info

[19:12:46]

Beirdo:

it would be cool if we could leverage it (if it's there) in the commercial detection though

[19:12:51]

skd5aner:

bradlis7: you may be able to do it via xorg.conf, but the nvidia-settings gui doesn't allow you to add overscan, just subtract

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bradlis7:

haha

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bradlis7:

oh ok

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Brik1:

I just found a way to generate a channels.conf from hdhomerun channels database

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bradlis7:

@brik1, how?

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Beirdo:

better question: why?

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skd5aner:

bradlis7: I have the same problem since I switched to a 1:1 pixel mode... I see the CC data lines at the top and bottom, annoying – just haven't gotten around to dealing with it

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Brik1:

found this http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8331 because I cant seem to get an acurate channels listing matc up to guide data

[19:14:43]

Beirdo:

OOK

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skd5aner:

Brik1: in North America, It shouln't be hard – but you do have to go in and manually set up the xmltvid for each channel based on what your lineup is in Schedules Direct

[19:15:07]

Beirdo:

I guess I'll have that fun after I buy one in a bit

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Beirdo:

for OTA capture

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Brik1:

ugh

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skd5aner:

I have the problem with QAM

[19:15:28]

skd5aner:

same as OTA

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Brik1:

i'm gona go play with the HDhr channels listings, wont be watching IRC for a bit, thanks all

[19:16:07]

Beirdo:

have fun

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bradlis7:

my problem with the channels is that each channel was found 4 times, and i had to manually set channel numbers, and then they would never lock on to the channel, so i had to manually delete the ones that didn't work

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skd5aner:

Well, you have to be careful – you can edit channum, callsign, and xmltvid

[19:18:53]

skd5aner:

channum and callsign should match what you see in Schedules Direct

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skd5aner:

Also, my scan turns up a BUNCH of untunable channels – I just know which ones I should expect to see, and either delete or check the rest as unvisible

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bradlis7:

@skd5aner, oh ok... do you use mythweb?

[19:22:07]

skd5aner:

bradlis7: yes, typically – althouh sometimes I leverage phpmyadmin too

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bradlis7:

good idea

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skd5aner:

but mythweb works good for that task, just be careful – it's always a good idea to back up your database (or at least your channels table) before going in there

[19:22:56]

skd5aner:

dinner is here, so good luck

[19:24:05]

bradlis7:

thanks

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skd5aner:

if you ask me, this is the one thing that truely "sucks" about mythtv... yes, I said it! Trying to get scanned digital channels aligned to listing data is way overly complicated for the average user

[19:24:29]

skd5aner:

but, that's my only major complaint... so :)

[19:25:11]

bradlis7:

yeah, it's still great overall though

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Beirdo:

so don't scan? :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo ducks and runs **

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bradlis7:

manually add? :)

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Beirdo:

not sure how else you'd sanely do it other than scanning

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bradlis7:

lol, yeah

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, sucks about mythtv as opposed to any other DVR? Every single hobbyist DVR has the same issue, there's nothing we can do about it

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, So the blame is misplaced

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's a nature of the beast

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bradlis7:

someday, i may have to dig into the workings of DTV channel tuning, but for now, I'll just suck it up and use the interface. By the time I learn, they'll have it working anyways

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Beirdo:

why can't you bums update the package tracking already!?

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Brik1:

cross your fingers, the tingamabob at http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8331 generates an sql script which will load all your channels for you. Seems it did its thing, i am running mythfill now.

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Beirdo:

oh you guys will love it once the database is embedded

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Brik1:

is mythtv getting an embeded database? Whats wrong with mysql?

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Beirdo:

the plan is embedded mysql

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Beirdo:

ease of setup, etc

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Brik1:

ahh, okay – seems fine as is. I would rather see a better scan for channels

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Beirdo:

I'm sure that will be worked on

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Beirdo:

one way or the other

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iamlindoro:

The scanner is fine, it's the UI/user experience you don't like

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iamlindoro:

scanner is excellent, even

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clever:

embeding mysql means you no longer have to fuss with getting the mysql perms right and keeping mysqld online

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Brik1:

while i'm making suggestions – how about a better end user gui experience? think xbmc.

[19:59:59]

wagnerrp:

how would you improve the gui?

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wagnerrp:

other than animation and other flash

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Brik1:

lol, i need more time with it. I just havent had the wow factor like I have when watching demos of xbmc

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Beirdo:

buh

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wagnerrp:

well im sure iamlindoro would put together a similar 'wow' video with mythtv

[20:01:23]

wagnerrp:

but a video doesnt make either a good user experience

[20:01:32]

wagnerrp:

s/would/could

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Beirdo:

just like trailers don't make a good moview

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Beirdo:

s/w$//

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Beirdo:

sed FTW

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Brik1:

i'll hold my tounge until I get more time with it. I just got my channels and guide listings correct. It only took me about 6 hours of effen around.

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Brik1:

off to the other room to play, thanks all

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wagnerrp:

the setup is a known usability issue

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wagnerrp:

but youve got to trade off ease for configurablility

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Beirdo:

as always... tradeoffs

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

any every time we try to remove anything to make things simpler, the non-contributing users come out of the wood works with their antiquated systems complaining why they need feature X or option Y

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wagnerrp:

clever: the bigger issue with embedding mysql is that the database would now be under the control of mythbackend

[20:10:15]

wagnerrp:

and when you have control over all access to the database

[20:10:31]

wagnerrp:

theres a lot of stuff you can now do so far as maintenance and recovery

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wagnerrp:

as it stands, mythtv is just one more user of the mysql server

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mythgallery always run in 'browse' mode?

[20:29:36]

wagnerrp:

there are no database tables that it scans to are there?

[20:36:18]

clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, you could easily lock the db safely and backup the entire thing with little fuss

[20:36:52]

wagnerrp:

that all falls apart if the database crashes

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clever:

automatic incremental backups could help with recovery

[20:40:01]

clever:

though depending on the cause, it could go down the exact same code-path and just crash again

[20:42:34]

dmz:

quick question; where does myth save the background pictures used in theme view of recordings (ie each show has it's own background image)? one is corrupt & I need to remove it

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wagnerrp:

wherever you told it to store background pictures in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

recordings down actually support artwork

[20:57:20]

wagnerrp:

specific themes pull artwork from where it expects it might be through mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

s/down/dont/

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dmz:

ah, no wonder i couldn't find it, i wasn't expecting it in mythvideo

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MaverickTech:

speaking of mythvideo, I have problem with mythvideo on MythWeb

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MaverickTech:

I am using storage groups now, on 0–23, but if I go more than 2 directories deep in the tree, then the URL's are messed up

[21:12:13]

MaverickTech:

e.g. >> http://blahblah/mythwebx/video?path=%2FSeries . . . ticaSeason+4

[21:12:40]

MaverickTech:

there should be a %2F between +Galactica and Season+4 :(

[21:13:58]

wagnerrp:

urls?

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wagnerrp:

oh, mythweb

[21:14:13]

wagnerrp:

right, mythweb is a bit borked as far as mythvideo goes

[21:14:16]

MaverickTech:

yah :)

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MaverickTech:

not losing any sleep over it, I can repair them manually if I am trying to do something on myhtweb

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simcop2387-lap:

anyone know if an hdhomerun can capture multiple channels that are on the same "frequency" (e.g. they're all subchannels as some places call them)

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simcop2387-lap:

and how many it can do

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dmz:

hmm, if my settings for directories that hold movie posters / screenshots / banners is all blank where would it dump them?

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wagnerrp:

why do you expect to dump them in there?

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wagnerrp:

s/why/what/

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dmz:

i'm trying to find where my frontend is storing the recordings background images; i have one that's corrupt & need to reget it

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wagnerrp:

clear your theme cache

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/themecache

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wagnerrp:

just delete it

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dmz:

got it, thanks

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dmz:

it's the fanart

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dmz:

l

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wagnerrp:

some people dont seem to understand the phrase "the cat's out of the bag"

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Captain_Murdoch:

simcop2387, yes, mythtv supports that, search for 'multirec'. I record multiple programs off a single clear-QAM frequency on my cable using my HDHR.

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wagnerrp:

that got added for DVB cards in 0.20.0? and for the HDHR in 0.22

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[R]:

SWEET

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[R]:

when did trac become a mail order bridge catalog?

[21:56:11]

wagnerrp:

?

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[R]:

did you not see 8644 when it went on the mailing list?

[21:57:04]

[R]:

#8644: Girls for marriage

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wagnerrp:

i recall someone saying that phrase, but had no idea what they were talking about

[21:58:07]

wagnerrp:

seem to have missed that email

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[R]:

4:11am pst this morning

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wagnerrp:

i seem to be missing a lot of email from the mailing list

[21:58:24]

wagnerrp:

not sure whats causing it

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simcop2387-lap:

Captain_Murdoch: any idea how many they usually support that way?

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Captain_Murdoch:

theoretically as many as your cable operator or TV station crams into one frequency.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think there might be a hard-set limit on the setting,but I can't recall what. might be 6 or something, but I really don't recall.

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wagnerrp:

5 last i heard

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simcop2387-lap:

Captain_Murdoch: i'm setting up a neat setup, comcast has a channel on my unsubscribed cable that has SD versions of all the local networks, so i'm using one tuner hooked up to that, and one to an antenna for HD (which isn't a big deal for me, i need to upgrade things to play that back properly anyway), so i'm going to now be able to record all the networks at once if needed :)

[22:12:08]

wagnerrp:

arbitrarily set in mythtv, due to hardware limitations of the filters on many tuner cards, and the inability of the scheduler to scale to dozens of tuners

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simcop2387-lap:

with this i'll have 8!

[22:13:23]

simcop2387-lap:

i'll theoretically be able to record 8 things at once

[22:13:42]

simcop2387-lap:

but only if they're all on JUST the right configuration

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[R]:

theres 8 good things on at the tsame time?

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simcop2387-lap:

dunno

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simcop2387-lap:

hmm now its all the guide data

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high-rez:

What's the best way to play adobe flash from inside of myth? If I install adobe flash player will it work with mythweb ?

[22:25:07]

wagnerrp:

what good would mythweb do?

[22:25:24]

wagnerrp:

and how would you install the flash player on a web server?

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Its a livetv stream embedded on a web page.

[22:26:37]

high-rez:

(foreign language for my wifes relatives who are here at the moment : -)

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wagnerrp:

when it comes to flash, the best move is not to play

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wagnerrp:

besides that, you can use mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

and depending on the content, mythnetvision

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high-rez:

Is there a way to verify it'll play in netvision? I'm looking at the page soruce at the moment.

[22:27:38]

wagnerrp:

MNV just pulls up pages in mythbrowser

[22:27:53]

wagnerrp:

and unless youve got an RSS feed, or want to write your own grabber

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high-rez:

I just have one static link that I want it to pull :)

[22:28:08]

wagnerrp:

the best option is to just add the link to mythbrowser

[22:28:11]

wagnerrp:

and open it that way

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high-rez:

Alrighty. I'll give it a try. I thought I remembered a long time ago flash was playing in mythweb for me, but for some reason right now its not :/

[22:28:54]

high-rez:

(cnn.com at least)

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high-rez:

will have to play with it I guess.

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high-rez:

I shouldn't have any ptroblems with 10.1 no ?

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Beirdo:

I need a mythbeer

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wagnerrp:

adobe has never really released a stabile version of flash for linux

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wagnerrp:

s/for linux//

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simcop2387-lap:

they've released reasonable beta quality versions occasionally

[22:44:10]

simcop2387-lap:

those are usually phased out quickly

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high-rez:

s/for linux/for any platform/g

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wagnerrp:

they release garbage

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wagnerrp:

i havent had a browser crash in the last several years that i havent traced back to some site running flash

[22:45:50]

wagnerrp:

its astounding how much more stable firefox is with some form of flash blocker (or flash simply not installed)

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[R]:

the new firefox is supposed to run them in a separate little dealy though

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wagnerrp:

that just means ive got a separate process to kill, and then refresh the pages to restart it

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Beirdo:

this Futurama is SUCH a keeper

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Beirdo:

dissing the iPhone and Apple... FTW

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simcop2387-lap:

:)

[22:53:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hey Beirdo... I'm getting "disabling MythWeather; missing DateTime::Format::ISO8601" – even though the module is installed... /me is confused...

[22:53:15]

Beirdo:

that reminds me... gotta charge my 3G

[22:53:28]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: ummm, you sure?

[22:53:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

I just installed it via CPAN, yeah...

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Beirdo:

do: perl -MDateTime::Format::ISO8601 -e 0

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Beirdo:

does that give error?

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high-rez:

ABGP has made firefox a fantastic experience.

[22:54:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ugh, maybe it didn't install due to some dependency... I answered a bunch of questions with "yes", but just did the install again, and it's prompting me to install dependencies again... ugh...

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high-rez:

s/ABGP/ABP

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

that would do it

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Beirdo:

the check that configure does is tries to use ${LIBRARYNAME}

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Beirdo:

so... perl didn't think it was installed :)

[22:56:06]

Beirdo:

and that's no surprise if it failed install :)

[22:56:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah... "Can't locate DateTime/Format/ISO8601.pm in @INC".... ugh...

[22:56:56]

Beirdo:

right

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** J-e-f-f-A shakes his fist at CPAN and hopes it behaves this time... ;-) **

[22:57:52]

Beirdo:

"these eyePhones are phones too!"

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Beirdo:

dissing Twitter pretty hard too

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ok it worked the 2nd time around.... Is that normal??? (ie CPAN not really installing a module...)

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simcop2387-lap:

and soon a uk citizen!

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Beirdo:

not what I normally have seen, no

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J-e-f-f-A:

Because this is the 2nd or 3rd system that has given me headaches about installing perl modules... but this time it worked the 2nd time around...

[23:00:54]

Beirdo:

weird

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simcop2387-lap:

J-e-f-f-A: that is weird, if you ever run into more trouble with it, try us in #perl there ought to be someone who can help you figure it out

[23:01:45]

simcop2387-lap:

either me or any of the other 500 people in there

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Beirdo:

unless you mistakenly said not to install a dependency, of course

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: The only thing I did differently the 2nd time around was typed "yes" to all the prompts, intstead of letting it default and press 'enter'...

[23:04:28]

Beirdo:

hehe, odd

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J-e-f-f-A:

simcop2387-lap: Thanks btw... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks he may finally have his systems all up 99% ... just have to re-do my mythweather screens now... ;-) **

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TUplink:

im getting this error when trying to download video info from TMDB 2010-07–06 23:16:20.513 Fanart download finished: Tried to write myth://Videos@192.168.15.240:6543/1824_fanart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 220). 1 any idea what it means?

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TUplink:

like maybe what folder on the backend it would be trying to write to?

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momelod:

greetings channel.

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wagnerrp:

it means mythvideo needs some fixin' due to changes by themoviedb.org

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TUplink:

ok....

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TUplink:

not a backend issue then?

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momelod:

quick question. how to i tag videos for archiving? when i go to add videos to the archive none of my videos show up in the list of files to archive.

[23:25:21]

wagnerrp:

the archive? meaning mytharchive?

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momelod:

wagnerrp, precisely

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wagnerrp:

never used it

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momelod:

u should, its an awesome feature

[23:26:31]

momelod:

i've used it before.. but its been so long... :)

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momelod:

easiest way i've found to date to convert multiple vids w/ different sources to a standard dvd

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wagnerrp:

never found a need to do so

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momelod:

for the life of me tho i can not remember how i did it :D

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momelod:

wagnerrp, proof of good software.. u never use it to its full abilities :)

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wagnerrp:

isnt that usually called 'bloat'?

[23:29:09]

wagnerrp:

nah, i wont call mytharchive bloat...

[23:29:22]

wagnerrp:

it only makes sense that mythtv be able to burn stuff to dvds

[23:29:31]

wagnerrp:

just never personally had a reason to do so

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momelod:

i suppose if it ran things in the background that eat up memory it would be concidered bloatware. but if the option is there for advanced functionality with no impact on performance if u dont use that feature... u cant call it bloatware

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wagnerrp:

its called 'feature bloat'

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momelod:

its called whip cream

[23:30:36]

wagnerrp:

its when you have features that none of the active developers have reason to use

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wagnerrp:

so it stagnates, and stops functioning

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wagnerrp:

or otherwise eats up time that could be spent elsewhere

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momelod:

but its modular.. so i have to disagree

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momelod:

regardless, its excellent software in it's current state. unfortunately the documentation isn't available for those of us 'end users' to be able to use it :)

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wagnerrp:

my biggest complaint about both mytharchive and mtd is that theyre not run through the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, the jobqueue would really need to be expanded and generalized to support them

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momelod:

agreed, but as i said im an end user and "beggers cant be choosers" so im just happy it works at all

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momelod:

..if i could only remember how :)

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, ive got a task open to work on that

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wagnerrp:

i should probably bump it to 0.25, and start working on it

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wagnerrp:

if i wait too long, Capt'M will get through his current todo list and snag it for himself

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

oh we can try to keep him occupied

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momelod:

kudos

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momelod:

i love the software

[23:41:09]

momelod:

u developers kick ars

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momelod:

just wish i could contrib

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Beirdo:

only each others'

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wagnerrp:

why cant you?

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momelod:

i cant even figure out how to add a video file to an archive...

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Beirdo:

you'll get there

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momelod:

thanx Beirdo

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** wagnerrp got commit access by rewriting a chunk of code sufficiently large that no one else wanted to maintain it **

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Beirdo:

heh

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** momelod is a bottom feeder **

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Beirdo:

and trust me, there are more of those

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wagnerrp:

although what i wrote at the time was crap, and ive replaced about half of it in the past couple months

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Beirdo:

hehe

[23:44:29]

wagnerrp:

but hey, its a learning experience

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momelod:

if it works it aint crap

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momelod:

gimme commit access, ill show u crap :D

[23:44:55]

wagnerrp:

no, it was crap

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wagnerrp:

but thats what you get with no real formal training or experience

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Beirdo:

ohh, we've seen crap

[23:46:02]

wagnerrp:

my 'intro to c++' was little more than some hello world and basic terminal IO

[23:46:05]

Beirdo:

I get to see a bunch of it at work...

[23:46:29]

Beirdo:

and ou shoulda seen the crap at my former employer... and the one before that

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momelod:

is all this crap keeping myth from releasing 1.0? i've been using it for like 3 years..

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Beirdo:

and people got PAID to write that crap

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momelod:

maybe u guys have way too high standards

[23:47:04]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv is keeping mythtv from releasing to 1.0

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Beirdo:

hehe

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momelod:

perfectionists :)

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[R]:

whats this obsession with version numbers

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wagnerrp:

its still in active flux after 9yrs

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[R]:

just drop the 0.

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[R]:

and call it version 24

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wagnerrp:

if you want, do what [R] just said

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[R]:

thats what i do IRL

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momelod:

i was only trying to point out the very high standards of the development team.. sorry if it didnt come across that way

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wagnerrp:

no, its nothing to do with high standards

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Beirdo:

we should jump from 0.xx to 3.0 just to mess up the packagers

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Beirdo:

especially the ones that presume to know our next version number

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high-rez:

Hmmf, is there a reasonable opensource replacement for adobe's flash ?

[23:48:54]

wagnerrp:

just lack of motivation to release it as such

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[R]:

high-rez: define "reasonable"

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high-rez:

'works a little bit'

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[R]:

does a little bit include youtube?

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high-rez:

(which is more than flash is really working for me right now)

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high-rez:

yeah

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[R]:

then no

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high-rez:

oh and works with mythbrowser

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momelod:

i thought utube wasnt flash anymore? h232

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high-rez:

god i can't wait for html5 to kill flash

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[R]:

momelod: you mean h264? thats a codec... not a method for displaying video

[23:50:02]

wagnerrp:

it will never kill flash

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momelod:

u and steve jobs :)

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Beirdo:

kill steve jobs?

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momelod:

[R], i stand corrected

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Beirdo:

that would solve some marketing issues

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Hey man, i can believe there is a god all I want even if the evidence says otherwise!

[23:50:39]

momelod:

no, steve jobs is also waiting for flash to die

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: the html spec group would never support any form of DRM on content

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Beirdo:

yeah, so my iPhone won't suck so bad as a web browser

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wagnerrp:

which means there will always be a nitch for flash, or some other form of plugin that does support DRM

[23:51:31]

wagnerrp:

at least until DRM dies a slow, horrifyingly painful death

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[R]:

people will always need control

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wagnerrp:

no, people will always want control

[23:52:20]

wagnerrp:

theres no reason they should have that control

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** momelod tried to control his bladder **

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wagnerrp:

of course i could be considered prejudice

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wagnerrp:

i do see a need for license control (DRM) on high end software

[23:54:54]

wagnerrp:

well great, now my whole world outlook is shot....

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[R]:

omg i hate license control

[23:55:14]

[R]:

flexlm is the bane of my existance

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wagnerrp:

hehe

[23:55:27]

wagnerrp:

luckily all you have to do is change the MAC address

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[R]:

floating license!

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[R]:

i got a floating license for Codewarrior

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[R]:

and i ran the license server on my desktop

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wagnerrp:

the program not releasing the licenses after you close it or something?

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

i would have to keep restarting the server

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wagnerrp:

heh

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** momelod spoofs **

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[R]:

i would run it on my desktop to do main development... and then on a computer in the lab when i was debugging

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wagnerrp:

we were trying to run a license manager on our master server, which was using quad bonded gige

[23:57:20]

wagnerrp:

well whenever we restarted the machine, the ordering of the NICs would get shuffled around

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wagnerrp:

so the MAC of eth0 would change

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wagnerrp:

and the license server would refuse to run

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[R]:

thats what udev is for

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wagnerrp:

we just moved it over to another box and had the license reissued

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you want to know what continues to drive processor development? software licenses

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