Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, July 10th, 2010, 00:01 AST

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, doesn't look like latest trunk wants to follow those redirects for me

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GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/1897657

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wagnerrp:

xris: im a bit surprised Ashleys in Ann Arbor didnt make it on the list

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xris:

no clue

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wagnerrp:

its a little hole-in-the-wall place with seating for maybe 25 people, near U-Mich, with like 100 brews on tap and plenty more bottled

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xris:

nice. could be venue, treatment of beer (lots of taps requires lots of turnover to keep the beer quality good)

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xris:

we have a place downtown that has 150–180 beers on tap. crazy.. but they can't sell that much..

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wagnerrp:

well being a college town, its always pretty full

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xris:

huh. maybe write beer traveler a letter asking inviting them to try. : )

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wagnerrp:

havent been there in a couple years

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xris:

brouwers (#20 on the list) has about 60 taps and about 300 types of bottle

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wagnerrp:

but it seemed like a great place the few times i went there, visiting friends up at U-Mich

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harry0:

xris: about updating the rpm build script – I am about to turn in; can I email you more detail tomorrow (at forevermore dot net, right)?

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xris:

my best place lately is my cousin's house. but he's a brewer, the beer is free, and some of the best I've had (northwest style hoppy stuff mostly)

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xris:

harry0: or ping me here

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xris:

but yeah

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harry0:

xris: thx. nite

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xris:

or geek (a) ex-nerd.com

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xris:

:)

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** xris looking forward to that brewery officially opening its doors in a month or two **

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Beirdo:

mmmm. beer :)

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Beirdo:

I expect this to be the last sober night for a bit :)

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wagnerrp:

any idea why an ntp server would be marked as unavailable for synchronization, when its stratum 3?

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clever:

is it sync'd itself?

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wagnerrp:

its stratum 3

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wagnerrp:

anything less than 16 is sync'd to something

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clever:

ah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, if it's clock drift is too great, it won't allow you to sync with it

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wagnerrp:

then shouldnt it desync, and drop to stratum 16?

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kormoc:

afaik, it's purely how high/low it is in the chain, no?

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wagnerrp:

stratus is, yes

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kormoc:

so it's positioned correctly, why would it drop?

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wagnerrp:

because nothing can sync with it, its at the bottom of the chain however you want to view it

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Shadow__X:

maybe there are thresholds for how much it can drift and over a certain amount it is deactivated to be reviewed?

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Shadow__X:

just taking a shot in the dark

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dibbz:

is everything looking normal when you run ntpq -pn

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wagnerrp:

do i want the stability to be high or low?

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wagnerrp:

right now, its at 0.046

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kormoc:

low afaik

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wagnerrp:

in other news, youtube now supports 4K video

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wagnerrp:

no one knows why

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

South Park Lord of the Rings episode

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Shadow__X:

they are working with adobe they want all macs to slow down to a crawl

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wagnerrp:

or for that matter, has a computer capable of playing it

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: it wont play with gpu offloading?

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wagnerrp:

nope, not a chance

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Shadow__X:

because of the resolution

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wagnerrp:

the video card will look at that stream, grow a leg, and kick you in the balls

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wagnerrp:

no, because of the level

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Beirdo:

heh

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Shadow__X:

what is the maximum that gpu offloading support.

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wagnerrp:

the current video card offloading is designed to do level 4.1 (or maybe 4.2), and everything that encompasses

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Shadow__X:

what do you mean by level

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wagnerrp:

by level, i mean level

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wagnerrp:

an h264 designation

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Shadow__X:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

based off blockrate, bitrate, and memory requirements

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Shadow__X:

and what level would 4k be

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wagnerrp:

5.x at least

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Shadow__X:

oh ok i gotcha now does that mean that software offloading needs to catch up or the current level of gpu's would not support it. I would think it would be the software implementation correct?

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wagnerrp:

the current level of hardware offloading would outright not support it

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wagnerrp:

as they are designed to handle up to a certain level

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wagnerrp:

and are incapable of exceeding that from a performance and memory standpoint

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wagnerrp:

while software decoders (and thus CPUs) are probably not up to the task of (proper) 4K decoding

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Shadow__X:

oh ok so they would need to build that support in to next gen gpu's

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wagnerrp:

thats not to say you couldnt produce some garbage low bitrate 4K video and play it on an old P3

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wagnerrp:

why would they build it into next gen gpus?

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wagnerrp:

the decoders in GPUs are designed to handle bluray

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wagnerrp:

its unlikely they would be altered significantly to support anything more

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wagnerrp:

especially considering very few people are going to have a display to properly view 4K video

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Shadow__X:

yeah thats more what i was getting it if they had to do much to be able to support it

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Shadow__X:

right

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wagnerrp:

well, they basically have to quadruple the size of their decoder chip

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wagnerrp:

since its an ASIC, to get more power, you just make it larger

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wagnerrp:

of course thats a horribly simplistic explination

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** Beirdo wonders where to stuff the qtflickr lib source soce **

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Beirdo:

code

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Beirdo:

my fingers are retarded tonight

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i gotcha now i am getting it

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Shadow__X:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

Bhaal: still around?

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: yes, still around

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Bhaal:

:)

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wagnerrp:

these are files that you have downloaded and are on your hard drive? you just want to know how to get them into mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

or are these asx files just pointers to a web resource that you have to stream?

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wagnerrp:

im not sure if mythvideo can handle the latter

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: Uh, not exactly, they are files CREATED by a script, put on the hdd, and I didnt want to have to re-scan each time, as they would be changing on a possibly hourly basis

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: mythvideo can't handle it directly, but by using mplayer as the player for the asx files it can...

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Bhaal:

well, I dunno, maybe mythvideo could handle an asx file, but I doubt it :)

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wagnerrp:

mplayer... cant help you then

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Bhaal:

Ugh, its not to do with mplayer

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wagnerrp:

yes it is

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Beirdo:

maybe it's better off in MNV?

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Bhaal:

No, its not :)

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wagnerrp:

i guarantee it is

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wagnerrp:

mplayer means youre using local files

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Beirdo:

muh?

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

local files means you cant use the scanner in the python bindings

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Bhaal:

I was asking how to generate the FILE hash which goes into the mythconverg database... So i could directly inject the records for the files into the DB

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Beirdo:

mplayer is more than capable of doing playfiles.

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Beirdo:

anyways

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Bhaal:

Negating the need to rescan all the time...

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wagnerrp:

the code for file hashing exists both in the mythvideo plugin, and the backend

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Bhaal:

I already have mplayer and .asx files working...

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wagnerrp:

the file scanner in the python bindings accesses the hashing code in the backend, over myth protocol

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Bhaal:

I can watch the NasaTV stream directly from MythVideo this way now...

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wagnerrp:

meaning it only works on content in storage groups

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Beirdo:

I still think that's more the job of MNV

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wagnerrp:

i believe JAMU has its own implementation of the hash generator, written in python

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Bhaal:

Basicall, whats the algorithm?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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Bhaal:

Beirdo: MNV ?

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision

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wagnerrp:

its designed to specifically handle internet streaming

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Bhaal:

HELL YES of course it is... Accept I cannot get FLASH and MythBrowser to play together...

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wagnerrp:

but most of the development of it is based around flash streaming

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Beirdo:

Flash sucks

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Bhaal:

Thank you

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Bhaal:

Flash + MythBrowser = hours and hours of pain

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Bhaal:

MythVideo + mplayer + asx file = 5 mins of: "damn this is easy"

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wagnerrp:

MNV basically wraps around mythbrowser, and provides a menu and grabber interface

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Bhaal:

I know, been thru all this...

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Bhaal:

I am not moaning about MNV

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kormoc:

Flash + MythBrowser took me about 3 minutes to get running

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Bhaal:

Im moaning about MythBrowser + Flash = SPoS

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wagnerrp:

i believe support for downloading content prior to viewing has been waiting on certain capabilities not yet added to the backend

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wagnerrp:

(or very recently added to the backend)

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: I am not trying to download content prior

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kormoc:

I just had to downgrade to flash 10.0.x as 10.1.x does not have a 64 bit player

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wagnerrp:

does the internal player even support asx streams?

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Bhaal:

kormoc: This is a 32bit system, I tried downgrading... Still did not work proprly, I think I had video but no sound...

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wagnerrp:

no audio? problems with pulseaudio maybe?

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Bhaal:

wagnerrp: *shrug* dont know, didnt check... I used the external player and chucked mplayer in there

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kormoc:

are you running a sound server or sound wrapper?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, afaik, it should, easy enough to test

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Bhaal:

No pulseaudio to my knowledge unless it doesnt run as 'pulseaudio' anymore?

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Beirdo:

ah welcome back to downtown Philly... land of the horn

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Beirdo:

HOOOONK!

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Shadow__X:

go to pattys pub

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kormoc:

they last called already I'd wager

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, unless you mean it's always sunny?

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Shadow__X:

that i did

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kormoc:

Heh, there's actually a real bar called that :P

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kormoc:

in olde town

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Shadow__X:

of course :) but they dont have mac keeping up a shaddy atmosphere but keeping it safe like in roundhouse

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kormoc:

Heh, very true

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kormoc:

that show is brilliant

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Shadow__X:

to simple fold like myself that, makes the difference

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Shadow__X:

yeah if you get a chance watch the out takes they are fantastic. The same with some of their youtube stuff

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Shadow__X:

i was surprised they did their own variation of the human beatbox video for 07

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Beirdo:

K, I think I'll hit the sack and carry on the flickr fun somtime tomorrow... after working

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orly_owl:

hi

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Bhaal:

So, would MythVideo be able to read and act upon .asx files?

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Bhaal:

ie: will it follow a link and then stream the content?

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orly_owl:

i see you there

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Bhaal:

argh, Im being follows!

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Bhaal:

followed!

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orly_owl:

i dont know where to buy a dvb-s card

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orly_owl:

so here i am

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** orly_owl follows Bhaal closely **

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Bhaal:

Hrm, neither do I, but i would suggest someone who deals in sat dishes and radio gear would be a place to start

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orly_owl:

ah

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orly_owl:

you are a smart man

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orly_owl:

i was being lazy and looking online

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orly_owl:

sat shops in au...

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orly_owl:

hmmmelbournesatellites.com.au

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orly_owl:

hmm melbournesatellites.com.au

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dibbz:

http://www.sattronics.net/catalog/computer-items-c-43.html is australian

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orly_owl:

cheers

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beadle:

hello all. is it safe to delete from record where some_constraints? I have a lot of movies scheduled from the past before I knew not to schedule them record at any time.

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wagnerrp:

'some_constraints'?

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beadle:

the only thread I found was from 2007 and it may be obsolete

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beadle:

a where clause

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wagnerrp:

the 'record' table is independent of anything else

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wagnerrp:

you can delete things from there without having to worry about matching entries in other tables

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beadle:

cool. sounds like it should be ok then

[09:30:32]

beadle:

thank you!

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wagnerrp:

but i dont understand why you would be editing the database directly

[09:31:57]

beadle:

I started finding them using a query and then mythweb to remove the schedules but that's slow. I only care about those that have programid like 'MV%'

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beadle:

so I can easily identify them in a select or delete

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Brad-D:

does anyone know if there is a way to specify the jump length of a mythmusic pagedown/skip forward

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wagnerrp:

why do they need to be deleted en masse like that?

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Brad-D:

i listen to podcasts in mythmusic, and sometimes the 5s jump just doesn't cut it :)

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beadle:

wagnerrp: I scheduled those movies using the 'record any time on any channel' option so the movies were watched but the schedule remained

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wagnerrp:

why not do 'record one instance'?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will automatically cull recordings whos time or quantity constraints have been met

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beadle:

yes that's what I do now.

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beadle:

Brad-D: you might try Control and or Shift key with the arrows or page keys. I think that works in the video player but I don't use mythmusic myself

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Brad-D:

beadle: thanks for the tip. I will check it out

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hipitihop:

Anyone know where mythtvosd/cid.xml is kept ? I'm trying to follow this http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+t . . . +integration

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GreyFoxx:

Those instructions are wrong

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GreyFoxx:

you don't pass the path to the --template option

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GreyFoxx:

it's just --template=cid

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hipitihop:

GreyFoxx, indeed, the osd now displays.. unfortunately none of the parameters are being passed through (all blank) so trying to debug that now

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coolblue:

hello

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hipitihop:

anyone here have the cid osd working ? I'm following these instructions but none of the caller details are being shown. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+t . . . +integration

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drindt:

hey guys i had the following http://fpaste.org/P8bO/ in my audit log (selinux) produced my mythweb, someone can tell me how to prevent it without disabling entire selinux?

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clever:

drindt: read the selinux guides

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wagnerrp:

why would selinux care if apache pulled something from outside its webroot?

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clever:

path="/home/17394_20100704040500.mpg" this path doesnt look valid to me

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drindt:

clever: where?

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drindt:

clever: the path is ok

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clever:

its missing a username and id never store videos in /home

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drindt:

mythbackend runs here as root, and i have most storage in /home available

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wagnerrp:

you store all your videos in /home? not /home/some_user?

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drindt:

yes

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drindt:

because mythbackend run as root

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** clever runs **

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wagnerrp:

and that doesnt clutter things up?

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** J-e-f-f-A blinks... **

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drindt:

so far no problems

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wagnerrp:

the /home directory is only supposed to contain folders, one for each login user on the system

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coolblue:

it is only a folder.. if he want he could do this...

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clever:

nothing really says you MUST have a /home either, you can change every user to go elsewhere and just delete it too

[11:03:51]

drindt:

i know that this is not a nice solution, but how to run mythbackend as different user?

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clever:

drindt: same way as everybody else, i always run it as mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you just run it as a different user

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drindt:

i have to change a lot of configuration what comes from upstream i guess

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azlon:

i just want to catalog all of my movies. i'm sure myth does that, but is there another program that will just make a html or xml file of all of my dvds and tv shows?

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azlon:

or is there a scaled down version of myth?

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kormoc:

there is no scaled down version of myth

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wagnerrp:

excel will do that

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wagnerrp:

or open office spreadsheet, whatever its called

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azlon:

wagnerrp: i was looking for something that will actually scan my computer... i didnt want to enter the titles of like 200 movies by hand

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azlon:

i will if that is the only option though

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azlon:

or, will myth allow me to show off my collection using mythweb? or will mythweb allow somebody to control the machine (like edit and delete?)

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wagnerrp:

yes and yes

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azlon:

ok, but i can make the second one a no? so they can only view?

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wagnerrp:

in the future, just do it manually as you rip each DVD

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azlon:

ill just install myth and see where it takes me

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wagnerrp:

myth is a DVR

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wagnerrp:

if you are not going to record TV, dont use mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you might want to start looking through the list of authorized programs for themoviedb.org

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wagnerrp:

im sure one of them will do what youre looking for

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azlon:

wagnerrp: but can i use myth to stream video?

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azlon:

like if i wanted to watch it somewhere else?

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wagnerrp:

yes, myth will stream video to anything that speaks the myth protocol

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wagnerrp:

or upnp

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azlon:

ah... there's the catch

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azlon:

will vlc do it?

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coolblue:

Can myth compress a live stream to a lower bitrate to a mythclient in realtime?

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azlon:

im reading the faq now...

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wagnerrp:

speak myth protocol? no

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wagnerrp:

recompress a live stream in real time? no

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: why would you want to?

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coolblue:

stream over VPN with DSL

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wagnerrp:

azlon: you might want to read http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: mythtv does not support remote clients at this time

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wagnerrp:

you can enable and use flash streaming in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

if your web server has enough power to transcode your material in real time

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coolblue:

wanererp: what do you mean with remote clients?

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wagnerrp:

clients that are not local (on your local network)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no security

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coolblue:

so the mythclient isnt routeable?

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wagnerrp:

and should not be made accessible to the internet

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wagnerrp:

its routeable just fine, there are security and bandwidth concerns that need to be resolved before that is a supported option

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coolblue:

I will connect two private networks via VPN

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kormoc:

we're bandwidth heavy and our ui is affected by network latency

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wagnerrp:

you *can* do it, but it is neither advised, supported, nor viable for most people

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coolblue:

okey.. so the only way to watch TV show is via recording and then downloading it via mythweb? or any other solutions?

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kormoc:

coolblue, only supported solution, ye

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kormoc:

*yes

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coolblue:

which is the supported maximum network latency?

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kormoc:

that's more up to you to figure out, it'll work with some pretty big latencies, it's just how long you want to wait for things to render

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coolblue:

do the mythclient automatic set the right buffersize or can I (should I) set it higher in the setup?

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: in the fairly near term, there will be some changes with the internal storage of content in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

that will allow you to store multiple files against a single recording

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wagnerrp:

with the intent of having multiple transcoded versions at different bitrates, resolutions, and codecs

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wagnerrp:

at that point, you would be able to specify that you wanted a low bitrate version for streaming

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kormoc:

coolblue, streaming ability is purely defined as your recording setup, tweaking buffersizes won't help

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wagnerrp:

buffering only works with a bursty connection

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wagnerrp:

if your throughput isnt there, it wont make a bit of difference

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coolblue:

wagnerrp: cool idea

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coolblue:

kormoc: yes my mistake.. you are right

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ttist25:

mornin!

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wagnerrp:

and since mythtv is designed for reliable local networks, buffering and unreliable, bursty connections was never a factor of concern

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coolblue:

okey

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ttist25:

anyone familiar with mirobridge (and gconf)?

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: What MiroBridge question do you have?

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coolblue:

Another Questions: Are there any Radio Streaming boxen that are kompatible with mythtv? I would like to setup such a box in the kitchen and the garden to only stream the audio part of any channel from myth.. cool would be a lcd display with the actual channel name

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: Also have you checked the MiroBridge wiki for your answer yet? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge

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ttist25:

well, I'm trying to get it installed and I think I have all the prerequisites installed etc but when I try to run mirobridge.py I'm getting a "Failed to contact configuration server"

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ttist25:

from gconf

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ttist25:

RDV – that wiki contains the "getting started" steps which I used to try to get it running

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: you can use any device that supports the UPNP standard

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, youll need to set up your own server for streaming

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wagnerrp:

oh... audio only

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coolblue:

UPNP? wow.. cool.. any suggestion for a good box for radio?

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wagnerrp:

like if youre recording a radio channel

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that

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wagnerrp:

anything you record from a radio channel will be an mpeg ts file with a single audio stream

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wagnerrp:

youre probably not going to find any devices that can use that directly

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iamlindoro:

ttist25, You need to read the wiki more carefully, it directly addresses your issue

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coolblue:

I will not record it.. only live stream

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: There is nothing MiroBridge specific that I am aware of in gconf. From a terminal run "/whereever mirobridgeis/mirobridge.py -Vt" and pastebin the results then provide a link.

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: mythtv only does recording

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ttist25:

sorry RDV – kind of noobish – what is pastebin? Do you mean copy and paste the results from the terminal window?

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: Like iamlindoro indicated check the wiki specifically: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge#Finally . . . s_a_cron_job

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coolblue:

wagnerrp: at first you have said, that it will be working with any upnp capable client?!?

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: You do not need to paste bin as the wiki contains the solution.

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ttist25:

yes – I did see the section that has my specific error – but that was for adding a cronjob – I was just trying to install mirobridge and hadn't made it to the adding cronjob step

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wagnerrp:

coolblue: i thought you were talking about music stored by mythmusic

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: Use the same "solution" cron line in a terminal.

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coolblue:

ah okey… hmm

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wagnerrp:

not DVB radio channels, or full chanels doing audio only

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ttist25:

ok – I'll take a look at that – thanks a bunch

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only supports playback of pre-recorded content over upnp

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RDV_Linux:

ttist25: np

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wagnerrp:

it does not support livetv streaming at all

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wagnerrp:

and while you can watch an in-progress recording, you will need to continually restart playback to refresh the player's file size

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coolblue:

Yes I know that liveTV is only a recorded stream that will be played some seconds after recording

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wagnerrp:

im saying the UPNP interface provides no mechanism for which to start a new livetv session

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wagnerrp:

it can only do scheduled recordings

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coolblue:

hmm okey.. so I will need a satelite cable to hear radio at this locations and a normal radio-sat-box

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coolblue:

Can I control a mythclient headless over a LCD? (Small Atom-PC, with LCD, without TV, IR or buttons to control)

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sid3windr:

headless over an lcd. eh?

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coolblue:

without TV/TFT … okey headless might be not the right word :-)

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coolblue:

Is "prebuffering pause" a client problem or a server(backend) problem?

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kormoc:

coolblue, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Prebuffering_pause

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coolblue:

kormoc: how can I identifiy which of the problems I have? I have read it all and I cannot find any bottlenecks… hardware mac mini, gigabit ethernet, XFS filesystem, NFSv4

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coolblue:

and enough cpu power

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kormoc:

what are you capturing and in what format?

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coolblue:

LiveTV MPEG2 SDTV and also HDTV

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kormoc:

and you're getting prebuffer on SDTV?

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coolblue:

HDTV(MPEG4) but it doesn't matter

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kormoc:

why doesn't it matter?

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coolblue:

I have the problem on both .. sometimes it logs only a few messages of prebuffering pause, sometimes in short intervall

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kormoc:

and you're getting display issues or just seeing the log?

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coolblue:

95% just logs… sometimes a short video/audio pause

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coolblue:

and sometimes after 1–2 hours of wathing the same channel LiveTV ends an go back to menu.. but only sometimes

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kormoc:

you'll get those messages when you skip around in a stream, commflag skips around in a stream, or you start playback, and that's normal

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coolblue:

yes after a channel switch I understand.. (or pause/play or rewind/forward)

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coolblue:

hmm

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kormoc:

my mini gets a glitch every so often as well, but it's typically due to my usb drive

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coolblue:

I use a usb hdd on the backend with xfs, too

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coolblue:

at the moment it is only 1 client.. later there will bis 5–6 clients at the same time… overkill for usb?

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azlon:

how can i start the myth backend?

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coolblue:

audio decoding error with prebuffering pause on livetv > http://mythtv.pastebin.com/01E0myT5

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coolblue:

1 minute later > it go back to menu and the message appears " video frame buffering faild too many times" http://mythtv.pastebin.com/f18GNa61

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azlon:

hrmm

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azlon:

ok, so i think i finally have mythtv up

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azlon:

i don't have a tv tuner yet, but it will be here in a few days

[13:07:45]

azlon:

i want to be able to play my current avi collection

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azlon:

i install mythvideo

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azlon:

do i add my movies folder to the backend for frontend?

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wagnerrp:

you set the 'Videos' storage group on the backend

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wagnerrp:

and the backend will serve it up to any frontend that wants it

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azlon:

hrmm...

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azlon:

wagnerrp: so i can add more than one directory to the 'Videos' group?

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azlon:

like TV Shows and Movies?

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wagnerrp:

yes, you can have multiple folders defined in a storage group

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wagnerrp:

how it will show up? i dont really nkow

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wagnerrp:

ive never done that

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wagnerrp:

i assume it will merge them

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wagnerrp:

so you probably want separate subfolders for tv/movies in the storage group folder

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azlon:

wagnerrp: ok, i just added Movies right now, but i will eventually add TV Shows. the structure is /media/ArchiveStorage/Movies/ and /media/ArchiveStorage/TV Shows/

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wagnerrp:

you should probably just add '/media/archivestorage/'

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azlon:

wagnerrp: but i have tons of other stuff in there too... like documents and backups and stuff... will mythtv figure that out?

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Brad-D:

hey wagerrp, do you know if you can specify the mythmusic skip rate (i.e. how much you jump when you hit pageup/pagedown?) Is there a feature like mythvideo where you can specify the jump point first? I've googled around, but haven't found much.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will only catalog those file extensions that you tell it to

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: no clue

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coolblue:

Have anyone looked at my pastebin links?

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Brad-D:

coolblue: i'm not a mythtv expert by any means, but when I have had audio problems they have come from two sources

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Brad-D:

1) I'm running Fedora, and I didn't remove pulseaudio. I know they have code for dynamically disabling pulse audio, but it never works to well for me. I find it easier just to remove pulse audio completely

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Brad-D:

2) A while back I had audio decoding errors, because when compiling the source code, i didn't enable -libfaad

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Brad-D:

not sure if that will specifically help you, but might give you a place to look, until people smarter than me wake up :>

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coolblue:

Hi Brad-D. Thank you. 2) I use precompiled packes from mythbuntu weekly builds. I hope that this is correctly builded

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coolblue:

1) ubuntu use pulseaudio too.. but I have set alsa in mythfrontend settings.. hmm

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Brad-D:

yeah it probably is, i was trying to do it myself way back to test out .22 (because it was such a quantum leap forward)

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Brad-D:

and then once i learned how, now i just always compile from source for myth

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Brad-D:

not sure if mythbuntu uses pulseaudio, i know it's a big pain in the butt for me with fedora

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coolblue:

I had problems with pulseaudio with myth.. so I set myth to use ALSA and the problems were gone.

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simcop2387-lap:

wasn't there a script or something that would scan mythvideo for changes in the background and update the database?

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azlon:

i installed mythweb but when i load the page it says, "Unable to connect to the master backend at 192.168.1.10:6543"

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azlon:

on the wiki it says to run, "setsebool httpd_can_network_connect=1"

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azlon:

when i run that it says i dont have setsebool installed

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azlon:

is this something i should install?

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azlon:

nm, i got it

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azlon:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt had a generic passwd in it

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Shadow__X:

i am trying to get my drives to spin down after 20 minutes of inactivity but it seems like they arent actually spinning down. the wiki page wasnt of any help because its blank and i have been using hdparm -S 240 /dev/sd* to set it

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Shadow__X:

also the drives are in a raid 5 array using mdadm

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azlon:

hrmm

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azlon:

this sounds like something i would want too...

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azlon:

is this prolong the life of the drives?

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azlon:

do i need to add mythtv:apache to the chown on my video folders to list them on mythweb?

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azlon:

Shadow__X: are you using mythweb by any chance?

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coolblue1:

Soccer!! Germany vs Uruguay :-)

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Dassu:

my care amount: 0

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azlon:

lol

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azlon:

where can i find default settings for mythvideo on mythweb?

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Shadow__X:

azlon: yes i use mythweb

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azlon:

Shadow__X: when i go to mythvideo on mythweb i dont see a list of videos... its just empty

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azlon:

did you have to set something special up for this?

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azlon:

argh!

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Shadow__X:

yes

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wagnerrp:

simcop2387: JAMU would do it for 0.22 and 0.23

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azlon:

when i go into myth frontend it says cannot connect to database, is it running?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does it itself for trunk (upcoming 0.24)

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Shadow__X:

you can either set it up on a frontend or you can set it up in the backend with storage groups

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wagnerrp:

simcop2387-lap: ^^^

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azlon:

Shadow__X: i added my video folder to the backend

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tjikkun_lt:

I just installed mythtv (mythdora) but when i go into the video folder i get "no files found"

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azlon:

so it should list, right?

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Shadow__X:

azlon: you have to make sure mysql is accessible over the network. This is all described within the manual

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tjikkun_lt:

there are files in the correct folder, and the have the right permissions

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Shadow__X:

azlon: you have to go into the frontend and select scan folder

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tjikkun_lt:

music is working for me, but video is not

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coolblue1:

Goal for germany! :-)

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Shadow__X:

azlon: more acurately you have to go into media library then watch videos and hit m and select scan for changes

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wagnerrp:

lets chear! bbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrr

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tjikkun_lt:

Shadow__X: hey, i think i should do that too.. /me is of to find a keyboard :)

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RDV_Linux:

simcop2387: Just a warning then Jamu on MythTV 0.22 no longer works for movies as TMDB changed their API several weeks ago. If you want to use Jamu make sure you are using at least MythTV 0.23

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Shadow__X:

or if you have a remote you can do it through there tjikkun_lt

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tjikkun_lt:

Shadow__X: any other way to scan for those changes?

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Shadow__X:

for my mce remote its the center mce button

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: that is the recommended method

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wagnerrp:

erm... tjikkun_lt, scanning manually within mythvideo is the recommended method

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Shadow__X:

well it would seem the video portion of mytweb has a scan collection button as well

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azlon:

Shadow__X: where did you find this info? i was reading the mythweb wiki and never read that...

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wagnerrp:

no, dont use the mythweb video scan in 0.23, its broken

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tjikkun_lt:

i have a gyration remote

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Shadow__X:

azlon: listen to wagnerrp

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Shadow__X:

i like my remotes sedate

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azlon:

ok

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tjikkun_lt:

it does have an mce button, but that doesn't work

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azlon:

wagnerrp: so i am running the video update in my frontend now... then when that is finished go back into the backend, right?

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wagnerrp:

why would you go into the backend?

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azlon:

arg, i mean mythweb

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azlon:

i have too many things going on right now

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Shadow__X:

why does it matter if the videos are populated in mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb's video support is mostly broken at current

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tjikkun_lt:

Shadow__X: did you map that center button yourself?

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Shadow__X:

yeah i was going to say i tried to select a video and it errors out.

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azlon:

wagnerrp: i just want to be able to see the list of videos... i wont be watching them

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tjikkun_lt:

wow, talking about strange hobbies :)

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Shadow__X:

tjikkun_lt: nope i use a mce remote rev6 i just selected the appropriate config and it was done but if your remote uses lirc you can manually enter it into the config afaik

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tjikkun_lt:

nah it is seen as a keyboard + mouse

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tjikkun_lt:

i could get lirc to recognize it of course

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Shadow__X:

tjikkun_lt: you can open up a terminal and open irw at which point you would hit the mce button on your remote and then you would know what the key is tied to and then could enter it into the config file

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tjikkun_lt:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gyration-based_MCE . . . tion_GYR3101

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azlon:

where are the mythtv configs stored? are they in mysql db?

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tjikkun_lt:

Shadow__X: i don't hace lirc setup

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wagnerrp:

yes, everything is in the DB

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Shadow__X:

tjikkun_lt: Home 0x0066 # AKA "Windows button"

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: do you have your drives spin down with inactivity?

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azlon:

hrmm

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azlon:

my frontend isn't seeing my backend... it keeps saying cannot find 192.168.1.10:6543. make sure it is running

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azlon:

but it is running...

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Shadow__X:

azlon: make sure in the backend settings you have properly defined the ip addresses so in this case 192.168.1.10

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azlon:

and i get to that in System > Administration > MythTV Backend Setup, right? (Ubuntu)

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azlon:

i mean, there is no other place i would look or enter into the cli?

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Shadow__X:

azlon: yeah thats fine

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azlon:

when i go into that, everything looks fine... on this machine local and master backends are set to 192.168.1.10:6543

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azlon:

now i did have this problem with mythweb and i had to change /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt. the passwd was wrong in there...

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: no, it caused problems when i did that

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Shadow__X:

where are you saying in the ip line you have 192.168.1.10 or you have it with the port number

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh really did you have problems with your array or things not responding properly

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azlon:

Shadow__X: what?

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azlon:

i have 192.168.1.10 on both the master and local backend parts... the part where you can enter an ip

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wagnerrp:

bad interactions between my RAID card and file system, resulting in data corruption

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azlon:

then right below that it says, port: and i have 6543

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Shadow__X:

azlon: oh ok hmm make sure in mythbuntu control center that the mysql option to enable other machines to connect is enabled because if not you can not access mysql over the network

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh ok i am using mdadm and thought that since it was software it would lower the risk but i suppose i am mistaken

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azlon:

Shadow__X: im not running mythbuntu... is there another way to enable it?

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tjikkun_lt:

Shadow__X: cool, it works

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Shadow__X:

yeah in the config file but you could also install the mythbuntu control center as it would make it easier for you

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Shadow__X:

tjikkun_lt: yup

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tjikkun_lt:

well, it sees the video now, but when i try to play i only see: Please wait...

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tjikkun_lt:

i was too impatient :)

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Shadow__X:

tjikkun_lt: well if you are going over wireless it will take a bit if you are on ethernet it should take too long

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Shadow__X:

s/should/should not

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tjikkun_lt:

it's local storage

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azlon:

Shadow__X: i installed the mythbuntu control center and ran the mysql connection test and it passed...

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tjikkun_lt:

i am only missing subtitles now

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Shadow__X:

azlon: ok good

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azlon:

let me try again

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azlon:

Shadow__X: now when i update using 'm' it is searching my entire /

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azlon:

i dont have / in any of my file parameters...

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azlon:

hrmm

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Shadow__X:

azlon: it scans what you told it to scan

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azlon:

yeah

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azlon:

i know...

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azlon:

i think there are too many settings for me to get in trouble with

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azlon:

hold on

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azlon:

once i learn how everything interacts with each other i'll be good...

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Shadow__X:

the manual is well laid out and would most likely help greatly

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azlon:

Shadow__X: awesome!

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azlon:

got my movies loaded in there

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azlon:

now, my problem is that i dont know what db it used to find those files

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azlon:

the manual says it can search groups and frontend defined locations

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tjikkun_lt:

Shadow__X: it seems i cannot change the size of the subtitles, did you notice this as well?

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Shadow__X:

azlon: that i am unsure of

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Shadow__X:

tjikkun_lt: i never used subtitles so nope

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tjikkun_lt:

ok, thanks anyway for the other help

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Shadow__X:

yup

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Shadow__X:

tjikkun_lt: if you look at the manual that should help you out

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tjikkun_lt:

yeah didn't find it in the manual

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tjikkun_lt:

some googling suggests the size is hardcoded, but i don't know if that is still true

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azlon:

Shadow__X: one last thing before i'm out of here... my http://localhost/mythweb/video times out... have you had any issues with this?

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wagnerrp:

are you running apache?

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azlon:

yes, already init.d restart

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azlon:

let me restart... maybe that will fix something

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azlon:

brb

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J-e-f-f-A: the two entries above yours are for the same hardware

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azlon:

ok, so when i have mythweb password protected (i assume .htaccess) i cannot load http://localhost/mythweb/video

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azlon:

but when i remove the password i can access it just ifne

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azlon:

fine

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azlon:

how do i download all artwork and metadata?

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azlon:

is it 'w'?

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azlon:

hrmm

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azlon:

i guess thats all for the night

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azlon:

thanks everybody

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Yeah, but different details overall, should I not have added it?

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: well that whole section seems pretty redundant to me, details like theme and window manager aren't relevant in any way, it's already well known which hardware works etc, but I've argued unsuccessfully in the past to ditch it entirely for the sake of clarity

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gbee:

some of the info found there isn't valid or is misleading

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of the nvidia driver version, myth version and buffersize...

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gbee:

I mentioned it only because the two preceding entries were for a higher res, higher bitrate, older MythTV and therefore it's kinda redundant to say that it's verified to work on lower res/lower bitrates

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Humm... yeah, I see your point...

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gbee:

pretty much any recent version of MythTV and driver should just work, we already recommend a minimum of 512MB so even that's redundant info in the table

[16:31:56]

gbee:

the table earlier on that page lists supported hardware/features and any caveats, so the user-experience stuff doesn't add anything to the page anyway

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J-e-f-f-A:

I had horrible stuttering without increasing the buffersize... So I thought it might be relevant..

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: using frequency scaling on the CPU?

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=VDPAU&cu . . . ency_Scaling

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Nope... was getting prebuffer pauses.

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#CPU_Frequency_Scaling

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: raised a bug for that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

No, I figured it was the low-end 8200 gfx...

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gbee:

it's not, I have the same board

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah,ok.

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J-e-f-f-A:

No wonder you noticed the 'dup' entry...

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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gbee:

in two frontends and both manage BBC HD and HDPVR ok, so long as the CPU min freq is 1800Mhz

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Beirdo:

la la la... connect the dots.

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** gbee prods Beirdo with a sharp stick **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: just for giggles, I checked that system, and there is no 'cpufreq' directory under '/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/" – and I know I purposely disabled it.

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** Beirdo hopes the rain stopped or at least slowed **

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, just for giggles, what's the freq reported by 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Don't know if it matters, but I'm running FC11 x86_64 ... ^checking

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gbee:

Beirdo: please, please send that rain over here, I can't remember the last time I saw it, currently baking in the never ending heat

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Beirdo:

wow.

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Beirdo:

come to Philadelphia, we sure had rain this morning

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: http://mythtv.pastebin.org/388687

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was always sunny in philadelphia

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

I got nearly soaked on the way to the data center

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, looks like you definitely don't have frequency scaling enabled (though you might consider it for the savings on the power bill ;) )

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: hehehe... ;-)

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gbee:

the lack of rain and the heatwave over here has meant that reservoirs in the _Lake District_ have run dry

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: I may swap out the 4000+ into that MB. ;-) Since videe-pow-pow makes it pretty pointless to have that big of a cpu. ;-)

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: what have you got in there now? I've got a 4850e in mine, same Ghz but only 45w

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gbee:

nevermind, forgot that info was in the pastebin

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: an Athlon 64 X2 4800+ – not sure how many watts it pulls...

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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gbee:

110W TDP apparently

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gbee:

strictly the 4800 is 2.4, the 4850e is 2.5

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I suppose I could replace it... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

wow that is a bit of a difference

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gbee:

the relentless pace of change in technology :)

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simcop2387-lap:

wagnerrp: ah nice thanks, i had been meaning to play with that as it is

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Sp0tter:

hey I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive solution, I need a

[18:19:43]

Sp0tter:

mythtv compatable tuner card and also a way for the computer

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Sp0tter:

to control my cable box (lirc?).. prefer something that does

[18:19:55]

Sp0tter:

analog and digital both.. has to be pcie x1 or usb

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Sp0tter:

sorry for my retarded copy/paste failure

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wagnerrp:

where are you located?

[18:20:10]

Sp0tter:

but does anyone have a recommendation?

[18:20:13]

wagnerrp:

north america? europe?

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Sp0tter:

North America

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wagnerrp:

if youre doing analog, you want an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

which means an old PVR-150/500 or newer HVR-1600

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Sp0tter:

i would like to be able to record off the analog while watching the digital regular through the tv, and then also want to record the digital and control the decoder box using some kind of transciever

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wagnerrp:

all of which are PCI

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Wicked:

Sp0tter, i only capture SD content..no HD stuff..and my hauppauge pvr-150 works excelent

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wagnerrp:

there is an HVR-1850 that works with linux, but there is an unresolved driver bug that causes issues with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

(the 1850 is PCIe)

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Sp0tter:

does that one work with xbmc do you know?

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wagnerrp:

none of them work with XBMC

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Wicked:

im also using the blaster on the pvr-150 to control my scientific atlantic set top box

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Sp0tter:

hmm 1850 is $92

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Sp0tter:

was hoping to stick to around $50

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Sp0tter:

Wicked: awesome

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wagnerrp:

for digital, the 1600 supports ATSC and QAM

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wagnerrp:

or you can pick something from the official driver website

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Wicked:

you can setup a mythtv backend with the pvr-150 and stream the recordings in xbmc

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

however XBMC does not use tuner cards or capture devices of any sort

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Wicked:

but no native support....yet.....xbmc is currently under heavy development

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Sp0tter:

i "think" i have a transmitter, but i haven't tried to get it tow ork

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Wicked:

they will soon

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Sp0tter:

i got some generic remote that came with one

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wagnerrp:

XBMC has no intention to add support for tuner cards or capture devices of any sort

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Wicked:

ah

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Sp0tter:

says its a "transeiver" but the manual said it was not included even

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Wicked:

id prob stick to more known cards....that way it should be better documented and hopefully easier to setup

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: you probably should look at http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable as well

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wagnerrp:

and maybe http://ivtvdriver.org

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wagnerrp:

theyve got a device list on there somewhere

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Sp0tter:

ok thanks for all the info

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Sp0tter:

its really a lot to sipher though heh

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wagnerrp:

basically, you want an IVTV card for analog, since its an MPEG encoder card

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wagnerrp:

its dead simple to use, you just dump processed mpeg2 video to disk

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

Sp0tter, or if you plan on getting hd anytime soon..and have the cash...the hd-pvr is pretty much the only way to go

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Wicked:

but it is expensive

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Wicked:

~200+ $'s

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to normal V4L framegrabbers, which you have to separately manage capture and encoding of audio and video

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Sp0tter:

question, if you have a digital tuner, but you run it through your set top box first to decode it, is there like a "pass through" option?

[18:27:41]

Sp0tter:

then you use the emmitter to change channels on the set top"?

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wagnerrp:

no, STBs only 'pass though' analog

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wagnerrp:

you cannot capture digital video coming out of an STB

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Sp0tter:

really?

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Sp0tter:

well crap, that changse everything

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wagnerrp:

the RF outputs are analog only

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wagnerrp:

and the HDMI outputs will be encrypted and unusable

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ttist25:

hello there

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Sp0tter:

ok

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wagnerrp:

you /may/ be able to use firewire, if it has such a port on it

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Sp0tter:

it does

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wagnerrp:

you can always try that, but theres no guarantee that anything on there will be unencrypted

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Sp0tter:

ok

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ttist25:

what are you trying to do Sp0tter?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not licensed to do 5C, so it cannot handle anything copy flagged over firewire

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ttist25:

firewire from a STB?

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Sp0tter:

ttist, originalyl iaw nted to record the output of my set top box digital cable and use a trasmitter to change its channel, and also have the option of just recroding analog straight from a split coax into it

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wagnerrp:

(anything copy flagged would be encrypted using 5C)

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Sp0tter:

but

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Sp0tter:

if that's not possible, then i only need analog

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wagnerrp:

read that digital cable page

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wagnerrp:

it should explain everything you need to know

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Sp0tter:

so i just need a good supported analog decoder

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Sp0tter:

yea i dont care about clearqam

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Sp0tter:

a good supported analog decoder that is usb preferably, or pcie

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ttist25:

I'[ve got a DCX-3200 that I'm capturing from firewire – cox cable hpt roads

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wagnerrp:

you prefer usb? why?

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Sp0tter:

brb i'll look at my box

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Sp0tter:

ebcause i only have 1pcie slot

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Sp0tter:

and my only output is dsub

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ttist25:

i'm getting all of the channels I get on the tv but, I had to call cox and make them activate it

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Sp0tter:

so one da yi giht want to put a video card in with hdmi

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wagnerrp:

this an Atom board or something?

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Sp0tter:

nope

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Sp0tter:

its a micro atx am2

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ttist25:

I referenced that FCC ruling and it magically began working

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wagnerrp:

with only one slot and only VGA?

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Sp0tter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500045

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Sp0tter:

yea

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wagnerrp:

normally MATX boards have 4 slots

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Sp0tter:

i got a mad deal on it.. Shell Shocker combo.. $50 for the board + case.. and i already have all the other parts in my closet

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wagnerrp:

and anything AM2 should be recent enough for a DVI output

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xand:

that's not micro atx

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Sp0tter:

itx

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Sp0tter:

mini itx

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xand:

mini itx is smaller

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Sp0tter:

yea sorry i've had a lot of coffee

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Sp0tter:

aoll over the place

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Sp0tter:

i appreacite everyones help thogh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youre not going to put a graphics card on there

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Sp0tter:

zotec makes one

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Sp0tter:

anyones the dsub is fine, tahts what i use now anyways

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Sp0tter:

for my tv

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wagnerrp:

the only x1 graphics cards ive seen are expensive multihead Matrox and Quadro cards

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ttist25:

also mythtv changes channels on my STB w/o any configuration on my part – it just works

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ttist25:

through firewire

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500164

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Sp0tter:

$60 ion card

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Sp0tter:

wtih hdmi

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wagnerrp:

lies, thats not an ION card

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Sp0tter:

thats what it says

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wagnerrp:

doesnt make it true

[18:36:09]

Sp0tter:

yes it does.. read the specs

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wagnerrp:

thats a 9400M

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Sp0tter:

ok

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Sp0tter:

doesn't matter either way.. the point is that its possible to ugprade with the pciex1

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wagnerrp:

ION specifically refers to an Atom with nvidia north bridge and 9400M graphics chip

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Sp0tter:

but i'm not opposised to getting a pcie x1 tuner card anyways

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wagnerrp:

which that is not

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Sp0tter:

if its signficantly better or more compatable

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Sp0tter:

well nvidia hasn't sued Zotac yet

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Sp0tter:

so they have lost their right to defend that trademark :)

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wagnerrp:

they wouldnt sue them, its just not the right name

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wagnerrp:

anyway... with USB, youve got a couple more options

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wagnerrp:

PVR-USB2 and HVR-1950

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Sp0tter:

oh i should tell you the cpui

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Sp0tter:

it has a athlon x2 4800+ in it.. 2.5ghz

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Sp0tter:

so that's what is available for de/encoding

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Sp0tter:

will be running arch linux on it with mythtv probably

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ttist25:

hey – I'm trying to install mythnettv on mythbuntu 10.4 and I'm getting an error when I run mythnettv from the terminal stating You need to create the configured data directory at ""

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ttist25:

I've tried mkdir data pretty much everywhere I can think of and no go – any ideas?

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Sp0tter:

the haup pvr150 isn't on newegg :(

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Sp0tter:

the reviews for the HVR-1250 say it works with mythtv well

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Sp0tter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116028

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Sp0tter:

$50 + shipping

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Sp0tter:

hmm no firewire port on the zotac motherboard

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Sp0tter:

oh snap

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Sp0tter:

unsnap..

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Sp0tter:

the pvr150 new in box on ebay is only $18... but its not pcie heh

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Sp0tter:

http://tinyurl.com/2ct7ao8

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Sp0tter:

does that one look ok guys?

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Sp0tter:

i already have a cheap generic rosewill remote to use

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Sp0tter:

mce

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Sp0tter:

doh n/m

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Sp0tter:

the mythtv wiki says no analog support

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Sp0tter:

i wonder how uptodate the wiki is

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Sereph:

ok I just installed mythtv but it doesnt seem to be working... is there a walkthrough to setup the tuner card? and my AWN panel covers up the bottom of mythtv any way to fix that

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dewman:

Sereph, Here you go... http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1

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Sereph:

dewman: thanks

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dewman:

Sereph, your welcome

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rhollan:

Whaaa? I restored a db and lost mythweb. What happened?

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jayvee:

"lost mythweb" means what?

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Sereph:

what do I do with adding this /var/video dir to the myth-setup

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rhollan:

I had a default mythtv install, before configuring. I got a plain web interface as I expected. But when I restored the mythtv I get a blank page.

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dewman:

rhollan, the setup guide is assuming you are hand installing. Are you using a distro such as mythbuntu,or mythdora?

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rhollan:

I am using mythbuntu

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dewman:

10.04?

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rhollan:

I know the apache side is working, since I do lap-based authentication to that page and that still works

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rhollan:

yes 10.04

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rhollan:

ldap-basd

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rhollan:

ldap-basEd

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dewman:

here is the official mythbuntu setup guide. http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/installation-guide

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dewman:

rhollan, this page has nice pretty pictures. so it should help a little more. =)

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dewman:

rhollan, http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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rhollan:

I had it set up. I just restored a backed up database.

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rhollan:

I noticed that all the /var/lib/mythtv/mythtv php stuff then disappeared.

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jayvee:

rhollan: look in your apache error.log

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jayvee:

if there's a php error, hopefully it'll be sent to the error log

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jayvee:

and possible set display_errors = On in your php.ini file

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dewman:

wooops.... Sorry rhollan, my dislexia kicked in... I meant to talk to Sereph. My bad.

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kormoc:

jayvee, how would checking for errors help if the php files are gone?

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rhollan:

PHP Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/fatal.php on line 23

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kormoc:

rhollan, you have a incorrectly setup database config

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jayvee:

kormoc: he said he gets a blank page, not 404 Not Found

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rhollan:

So that makes sense as the file is actually not present... what I wonder is WHY is it gone.

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rhollan:

kormoc: I restored from a db on the same machine

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jayvee:

rhollan: actually, have a look at what file is calling that

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kormoc:

rhollan, tmpl/tmpl is a known bug that's fixed in -trunk that happens with a configuration issue

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jayvee:

fatal.php is looking for header.php

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jayvee:

don't you think it's suspcious that fatal.php is even executing?

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jayvee:

that tells me the root cause is likely not the fact that header.php is missing

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rhollan:

I figured fatal.php was the catchall for php errors

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kormoc:

rhollan, doesn't mean you restored the same mysql permissions

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rhollan:

who should own /usr/share/mythtv/*

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kormoc:

doesn't matter

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rhollan:

crap. how can I recover from this?

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kormoc:

like I said, check your database setup

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rhollan:

check what?

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kormoc:

username/password/host

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kormoc:

that php is using

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rhollan:

but, it was working before I restored... or do you mean that php was getting perms from the newly restored database which are now different? That's possible

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rhollan:

where would the php config for mythtv be?

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kormoc:

check out the apache config file

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kormoc:

also see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Database_connection_issues

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rhollan:

/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf?

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kormoc:

yes

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rhollan:

a restore should not have changed that

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kormoc:

a restore likely didn't restore the mysql permissions table

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kormoc:

as it's stored in a different database then mythconverg

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rhollan:

right, but that was working BEFORE I restore mythconverg

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rhollan:

After I restored mythconverg I lost the web page

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kormoc:

okay, you win, I can't possibly be right.

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rhollan:

No, I want to understand WHAT is configured wrong.

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rhollan:

Also, mythfrontend DOES connect to the database.

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rhollan:

mythweb causes the errors.

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rhollan:

So, how can I explicitly (re)set the mythtv user DB password in mysql?

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rhollan:

FIXED IT MYSELF.

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rhollan:

There were two problems: connecting to the DB and the fact that there was an existing mythweb_sessions table. I made sure mysql's view of the mythtv password matched mythtv's and I dropped the mythweb_sessions table.

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jayvee:

cool

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jayvee:

so all working?

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high-rez:

Are there any guidelines around configuring vdpaubuffersize ?

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rhollan:

jayvee: still have to get it to recognize my copied ISOs but looks much better.

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