Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, July 15th, 2010, 00:00 AST

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Twiggy2cents:

many 182 people in here and hardly anybody talks

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Twiggy2cents:

somebody has to know how to remove errored jobs from the queue

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J-e-f-f-A:

Twiggy2cents: Most of us have irc proxies and aren't here 24x7, although our proxy is...

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witrchris:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Dell-Gyration-Air-Mou . . . em58875b246f ooh looks like a gyration remote...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Twiggy2cents: ... and no, I don't...

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witrchris:

albiet a not cheap one

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Twiggy2cents:

J-e-f-f-A, well I didnt figure they were all active, I just figured there would be more active

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J-e-f-f-A:

Twiggy2cents: Well, the UK folks are mostly still in bed, and some of us US folks are going to bed now... <me> ;-) Believe me, this channel can get quite chatty at times...

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Twiggy2cents:

lol well I really need to too. I think I found it. In the mysql BAH I hate mysql

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Twiggy2cents:

<---------------doesnt know how to work it

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J-e-f-f-A:

witrchris: I don't know how well the mouse/gyration stuff is supported (maybe 100%, I don't know!) – but that is a nice remote. ;-)

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witrchris:

haha yeah..

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Beirdo:

gyrate this...

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Beirdo:

heh

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witrchris:

granted, i don't necessarily NEED the functionality of a gyro remote

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Beirdo:

I want me a Harmony one of these days

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Hehehe... reminds me of something we used to say in High School... Give someone the bird, and say "Sit & Rotate — when you get to the Elbow, the ride's over!"

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

when ya hit my shoulder. BLEEP off.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

pretty similar

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J-e-f-f-A:

witrchris: I've really got to get to bed, but here's another one – not all that pretty, but free shipping, so less than $20: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HP-MCE-REMOTE-CONTROL . . . em4145aa8ecf

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witrchris:

J-e-f-f-A: that's got an emitter

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J-e-f-f-A:

witrchris: Ick, but shipping from China... Yikes, you'll get it in about a month!

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witrchris:

however, do i need something else to actually _emit_ the stuff?

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Beirdo:

you need the IR emitter

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J-e-f-f-A:

witrchris: Hopefully not, you should be able to do channel changing via FireWire.

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witrchris:

ok

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Beirdo:

they are like $2–5 on amazon.com

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J-e-f-f-A:

witrchris: But the MCE receiver is a great transmitter too...

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Beirdo:

although, if you can use firewire, you don't need IR emitter at all :)

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witrchris:

right.

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witrchris:

but i have a tv too and i'm lazy heh.

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Beirdo:

laziness FTW

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Beirdo:

sphery: you up?

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Beirdo:

#8648... that's a real bug, my man. :) A deleted file shouldn't make things crash.

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Beirdo:

looks like a case of bad exception handling (at least on the surface)

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joe_k:

hi. I have mythbuntu 10.04 and I can't fetch channels from the schedulesdirect listings server. I think it has to do with perl 6 date functions. anyone experienced the problem?

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Beirdo:

perl 6?!

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joe_k:

err, libdate-manip-perl 6.xx

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Beirdo:

ah.

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Beirdo:

first off, mythbuntu support is in #mythbuntu :)

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Beirdo:

secondly, I can assure you that trunk certainly is working, and I'd be very surprised if 0.23-fixes weren't

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Beirdo:

soo, there's an autobuild setup for 0.23-fixes under mythbuntu that people have linked to here before

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Beirdo:

I'd bet that using that rather than the default pre-0.23 install that comes with mythbuntu 10.04 may fix a lot of interesting issues

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Beirdo:

also, not sure how perl modules would affect mythfilldatabase which is not in perl :)

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joe_k:

well the xmltv stuff is in perl (/usr/bin/tv_grab_na_dd and friends)

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joe_k:

and i figured its what got called to populate the channel list

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joe_k:

but i patched a couple lines in that particular file for the new version and resetup everything

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joe_k:

but still no channels and nothing happens when I click "fetch channels from listings server"

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joe_k:

(but the patch did correct a perl error)

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joe_k:

really i would like to see if any errors messages are printed when mythtv-setup is running .... or find where that 'fetch' button is defined in the sources to see what it calls and then go fix that

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Beirdo:

joe_k: xmltv is not used by mythtv to do Schedules Direct data

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Beirdo:

anyways, it's time fer bed for me

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Beirdo:

good luck. look for the autobuilds, get a 0.23-fixes one, that may well fix it

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Beirdo:

you may need to get over to #mythbuntu for further support on that

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justinh:

joe_k: I don't use SD but I found I couldn't run xmltv stuff either due to a problem with Perl Date::Manip too

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justinh:

the one shipping with mythbuntu & current ubuntu is too new for xmltv if I remember right, so you need either an older version of Date::Manip or an updated xmltv grabber.. or just a hack on the grabber

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xand:

mmmm hardware for new mythtv box should arrive (at work) today, that'll annoy our receptionist >.<

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justinh:

there's a bug open on the date::manip issue anyway

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justinh:

but as Beirdo said SD data grabbing in mythtv doesn't use perl so the date::manip issue shouldn't even affect it – but it *would* affect the tv_grab_na_dd script

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justinh:

WTH? /var/www/mythweb is a symobilic link to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb (!)

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justinh:

or a symbolic link, even

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clever:

sounds like an ok place to store mythweb

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kripz:

Does the mythvideo's internal player support vpdau?

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justinh:

course it does

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justinh:

supports exactly the same things as mythtv's tv/recordings player. Because it's the same player

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kripz:

interesting... it doesnt seem to be upmixing 2.1 to 5.1

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justinh:

that has *nothing* to do with vdpau

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kripz:

thats a different topic :D

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justinh:

and *everything* to do with mythtv's general audio settings

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kripz:

TV upmixing works fine but videos dont upmix, i dont know if it's the upmixing or maybe it cant play my mkv?

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justinh:

or maybe there's just no surround information in the video soundtracks

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kripz:

probablym, shouldnt it upmix to 5.1?

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justinh:

not sure. personally I just use digital out for surround, and if it ain't got DTS or AC3 encoding, no surround :)

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justinh:

you'd think that even a movie with just a basic stereo soundtrack should have at least ProLogic encoding in it

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justinh:

that's where the surround (rear) channel is phase encoded in the L + R channels

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justinh:

the centre channel is derived from the L+R channels too

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justinh:

so yeah a basic stereo soundtrack should in theory produce surround with an upmixer

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justinh:

the settings for the internal player are exactly the same for videos & TV content so if upmixing is working with one it should work on the other – unless of course you're not actually using the internal player for videos. some distros still default to using mplayer AFAIK. It'll pay you to check

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justinh:

by that I mean some distros packing mythtv actually still set the default video player to mplayer AFAIK

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kripz:

justinh, even without all that stuff, can i get mythvideo to just treat the rear speakers like the front speakers? ie. output it on both rear and front

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justinh:

you're missing the point. mythvideo

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justinh:

aghh

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justinh:

mythvideo's player is THE SAME as the TV player

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justinh:

so whatever the tv/recordings player does, mythvideo does too

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justinh:

and vice-versa

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justinh:

that is, unless you've still got it set as something other than Internal

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justinh:

and FWIW, having the rear channels do exactly the same as the front isn't actually upmixing

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justinh:

nor, in my experience, does it provide a compelling sound stage

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Twiggy2cents:

hey wagnerrp you awake?

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** stuarta burps **

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** oobe wakes up wagnerrp **

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oobe:

he's just making a coffee he will be here in a sec

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Twiggy2cents:

oh okay

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oobe:

sorry i was kidding I thought you knew

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oobe:

humour doesnt translate well on irc somtimes

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oobe:

i guess non ascii characters dont either

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Twiggy2cents:

well I wasnt sure, i though maybe you two worked together or something

[09:11:47]

Twiggy2cents:

lol

[09:12:27]

Twiggy2cents:

they need to make a standard of using sarcastic tags on anything questionable

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justinh:

it's easier with me. everything I say is intended as sarcasm

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stuarta:

</sarcasm>

[09:13:07]

stuarta:

what's wrong with that

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Twiggy2cents:

thats what I was talking about

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justinh:

my IRC client marks sarcasm as slightly grey text on a black backrgound. As all the other text

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Twiggy2cents:

lol If i read that right you client marks it all as sarcasm?

[09:14:35]

justinh:

no, it all looks the same

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** stuarta pokes justinh with a comically shaped sarcasm trout **

[09:15:04]

Twiggy2cents:

does anybody use xchat?

[09:15:12]

stuarta:

ew

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justinh:

psst.... wanna xchat? cam?

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Twiggy2cents:

asl

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stuarta:

tho it's one of the better windows clients

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Twiggy2cents:

I use it on linux and windoze

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justinh:

what's windoze? is it a clone of Windows sourced from the Far East?

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Twiggy2cents:

I just wanted to know how to change my text to a different color other than crap grey with out having to actually look for it lol

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Twiggy2cents:

windoze is windows 8 :)

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justinh:

go to My Computer, select C:, right click on it & select FORMAT from the menu. Click YES or OK. Then you're done

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oobe:

lol

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oobe:

that wouldnt work thank god

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Twiggy2cents:

that didnt do it. To fix it I had to put a dos disk in start to dos and do a del tree c:\

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Twiggy2cents:

Hmm now it seems to have a system theme and say no os found

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Twiggy2cents:

:(

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justinh:

hmm I think word must have got out about me being on paternity leave soon. I'm frickin snowed

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stuarta:

eta?

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justinh:

original ETA is Monday

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justinh:

subject to change of course ;)

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stuarta:

oooo, so add a few days cause it's the first one

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justinh:

so everybody says

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justinh:

ain't necessarily so

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stuarta:

nope, but true 90% of the time

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justinh:

a grandparent staunchly proclaimed last week "eeee but you've GOT to get him baptised!". Why? "Or he won't be able to get a job". Like WTH?

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stuarta:

heh, it'll need it if it marries a catholic :)

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justinh:

nah, it'll have enough brains not to get involved with anybody religious I hope :)

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justinh:

it/more than likely *he*/

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stuarta:

:)

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stuarta:

my little man is 8.5 mths old now

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justinh:

how time flies eh

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stuarta:

indeed

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Captain_Murdoch:

mine has the operating room scheduled for his delivery on monday the 26th.

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stuarta:

no variation in that schedule then

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** stuarta thinks 0.24 will have to be called the "baby boom" release **

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justinh:

I just hope ours wants to come out of his own accord. wife hates hospitals, and her being banned from driving for 6 weeks wouldn't go down well

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justinh:

did the dry run at the weekend. 20 minute drive in traffic :)

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** Captain_Murdoch just realizes the irony that he's trying to get the theme downloader mostly finished before the other download happens. **

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stuarta:

hah

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justinh:

can't you feed/burp with one hand & code with the other?

[09:28:16]

stuarta:

i've tried, it's not terribly successful

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

reeto. time to mod some more boards. thankyou for being idiots, hardware design guys

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, with my daughter, I used to set her in my lap or in a bouncy chair on my desk or on the floor beside me. I had practice typing with one hand when I broke my right hand in college and a few years ago when I broke the left one in Bermuda.

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Captain_Murdoch:

most of my recent dev work has been in a vnc session on my laptop while sitting on the couch.

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frebas:

hi! I cant scan with my dvb-s device using mythtv but with kaffeine it works. the problem ist that i cant add a LNB there just happens nothing if i want to.

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stuarta:

trying pushing down before pushing enter

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frebas:

?

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stuarta:

by default nothing is highlighted so it's not possible to add the lnb until you highlight add new lnb

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frebas:

thank

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frebas:

s

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frebas:

i thought it was hightlighted

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wagnerrp:

gbee, iamlindoro: liucong104 on the wiki could use deleting

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, You were spot on with it being a db issue last night

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Twiggy2cents:

I had the backend connecting to db host localhost and the rest was trying to connect to the computers actual IP as the host.

[10:42:42]

Twiggy2cents:

I also found out the wonders of a gui interface for mysql!

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wagnerrp:

mysql doesnt have a gui interface

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Twiggy2cents:

no but mysql admin does

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wagnerrp:

i think the /only/ thing i would ever use a 3rd party program for access to mysql is for user management

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wagnerrp:

that seems like the only thing that could be made easier than the command line for mysql

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Twiggy2cents:

Well I used it for checking where the db was and the settings and clearing the errored job queue. I hope I dont need to utilize it much

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wagnerrp:

the jobqueue will clean itself out on its own

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Twiggy2cents:

The error ones hadnt left but all the others had

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wagnerrp:

they will eventually

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wagnerrp:

they intentionally stay there for a long time

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wagnerrp:

in case things errored while you were out of town or something

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mzb:

I'm interested in the idea of watching my mythtv recordings from a remote location

[10:48:37]

mzb:

is there a *nice* way of doing this?

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh okay. Well I have to get to work but thanks for taking the time to point me in the right direction!

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wagnerrp:

mzb: how much bandwidth you got?

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mzb:

mythweb is not working for me

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joe_k:

justinh: well then the xmltv stuff doesnt apply, I just need to get my channels fetched

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mzb:

at home it's 6Mb/1Mb ... here it's 1500Kb/256Kb

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mzb:

ish

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 1mbps isnt going to get you much

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justinh:

hmm. if you're gonna leave it several hours before replying, chances are I'll have forgotten what was being talked about :)

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wagnerrp:

mythweb flash streaming should work, if youve got the CPU grunt to transcode in real time

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mzb:

figured as much, so I thought I'd give mythweb a try but it's b0rk3d

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justinh:

remember I'm old :P

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wagnerrp:

why isnt mythweb working?

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joe_k:

justinh: fetch channel listings from schedulesdirect not working

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mzb:

mbe is amd x2 4400+

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joe_k:

justing: also tried #mythbuntu but that channel is dead

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wagnerrp:

joe_k: what type of tuner?

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joe_k:

hdhomerun

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mzb:

(looks pretty idle from here, too;))

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justinh:

oh yeah & date::manip – whichever one ubuntu is shipping with doesn't like xmltv

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wagnerrp:

you cannot fetch a channel listing for digital tuners

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wagnerrp:

you must scan, and match up XMLTV IDs manually

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joe_k:

Oh. damn

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justinh:

we really need to start working out how to wizardise this

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joe_k:

ok well the tv_grab_na_dd tool fetched me an XML list with a lot of "display names" for each channel id

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mzb:

the BE logs are showing 'Protocol version check failure' whenever I try anything with mythweb

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joe_k:

can that help me?

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wagnerrp:

mzb: going to be sufficient for anything mpeg2, not for h264 broadcasts

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mzb:

that's fine

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mzb:

I only want SD ... even transcoded is ok

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wagnerrp:

if youre getting problems with the protocol version check

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wagnerrp:

chances are that you have a mismatch between backend and mythweb versions

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wagnerrp:

upgrade/downgrade mythweb to match

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wagnerrp:

you should see an error as such when opening mythweb

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mzb:

nope

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** Beirdo yawns **

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mzb:

I've copied the mythweb dir directly out of the src dir that runs on the MBE

[10:54:41]

mzb:

the MBE obviously works ;)

[10:54:51]

mzb:

mythweb *mostly* works

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wagnerrp:

what revision?

[10:55:02]

mzb:

err

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mzb:

Revision: 24727

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mzb:

gee ... that is getting a bit old ;)

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joe_k:

wagnerrp: can you point me to any references for what config files need to be edited to match up xmltv ids

[10:56:39]

wagnerrp:

500 revisions, only a handful of those are going to be for 0.23-fixes

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joe_k:

joe_k: or is it all via the ui

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mzb:

this is trunk, not fixes

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wagnerrp:

joe_k: log into schedulesdirect, and mouse over a channel to get its XMLTV ID

[10:57:00]

joe_k:

ok irssi i am not talking to myself

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wagnerrp:

then go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup, or mythfrontend, or mythweb, and set that xmltv id for the matching channel

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joe_k:

i have the channel list with IDs in an XML file, just need to know how to tell Myth

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joe_k:

so I can see my schedule data.... filldatabase has been fetching it

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Beirdo:

joe_k: why are you using xmltv for schedules direct?

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joe_k:

ok i dont know what i am using

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joe_k:

i am trying to make it work

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what tv_grab_na provides, but there is no guarantee that it will match up with scheduledirect's data

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wagnerrp:

pull the xmltvids from the SD website

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joe_k:

i read a reference to that in a problem ticket

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joe_k:

i am poking in the dark

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joe_k:

drawing straws

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joe_k:

it definitely connects to schedulesdirect and downloads data correctly. It takes my sd password

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joe_k:

so its related somehow

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joe_k:

the root problem is – no schedule data in the listings for the channels I have scanned

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_Digital_Cable_C . . . _USA/Canada)

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joe_k:

sd account created. lineup selected. channels scanned. input connections setup.

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wagnerrp:

erm... no

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Beirdo:

there's a builtin way to use Schedules Direct, and you don't even need xmltv installed

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wagnerrp:

scratch that

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wagnerrp:

dont read that page

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wagnerrp:

its all wrong

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joe_k:

ok...

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mzb:

classes/MythBackend.php: static $protocol_version = 57;

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joe_k:

Beirdo: be that as it may, I dont see the data

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joe_k:

Beirdo: this would seem to be the most simple config. Fresh mythbuntu. Hdhomerun. New SD account... I thought this was a common setup

[11:01:53]

wagnerrp:

go to the page, open a lineup, mouse over a channel, and the xmltvid will be displayed in a popup

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mzb:

2010-06–23 02:35:06.735 Using protocol version 57

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wagnerrp:

then use livetv to find the matching channel, and set the xmltvid

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wagnerrp:

do that for all the channels, run mythfilldatabase, and youll be done

[11:02:37]

joe_k:

set where

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wagnerrp:

in one of the three channel editors

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wagnerrp:

there is a command to open one up in livetv in mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

'e'? i dont remember

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joe_k:

i have been doing this in mythtv-setup

[11:03:15]

** stuarta wibbles **

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wagnerrp:

easier to do this in the frontend or mythweb

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wagnerrp:

considering you need to watch the channels to figure out what they are

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** mzb wobbles ;) **

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joe_k:

ok I see a field for it in mythtv-setup... i will go try to find the input field in the frontend

[11:04:10]

mzb:

'6 little ducks that I once knew ...' ... *sigh* ;)

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joe_k:

BTW Ubuntu is the suck for UI... are they trying to copy windows as fast as they can???

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joe_k:

sweep-select doesn't copy in the terminal??? WTF

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joe_k:

anyway

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mzb:

joe_k, middle click to paster

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mzb:

joe_k, middle click to paste

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joe_k:

yes I have been using X for like 15 years

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** mzb give joe_k a round of applause! **

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joe_k:

ubuntu is grating on me!

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mzb:

:)

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stuarta:

windows cut n paste still annoys the shit out of me, it's not consistent like X is

[11:05:51]

mzb:

agreed

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joe_k:

no to mention the overuse of horizontal bars on wide screens!

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mzb:

go for netbook edition then!

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joe_k:

heh

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joe_k:

maybe i will

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joe_k:

gah

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joe_k:

thanks guys

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mzb:

might be time to go (back?) to Debian? ;))

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stuarta:

go for the server edition! no crap

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stuarta:

no X if you get it right :)

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mzb:

I click on a recording and I get "Warning: Unknown Program."

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mzb:

asx stream is too much for the skinny pipe at this end

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mzb:

(at the least)

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mzb:

I've tried with bot firefox and chrome

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mzb:

both!

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mzb:

nm, time to crash

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: have you given any thought to migrating the weather scripts over to the backend metadata handler?

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iamlindoro:

I'm not sure if it lends itself to that (it's not really backend metadata anyway, just metadata classes, there's nothing in the protocol yet)

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wagnerrp:

ah, right.... only the MNV stuff gets handled by the backend/mythxml

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wagnerrp:

forgot the other stuff is still called manually

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wagnerrp:

i was just thinking about it from a recent feature request to put weather data in mythwelcome, pushing that stuff into the backend would make it easier to access that data external from stuff like mythwelcome or mythweb

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wagnerrp:

nevermind me, early morning musings

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justinh:

ho ho ho. gig E isn't working on one of our machines. then we find 2 in a row the same. then I find out it's cos the 1v8 line for the gig phy is dropping to 0.5V... and then ponder that these shouldn't even have passed test... then found out that they don't test the Gig E. lol

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justinh:

I must work for an awesome company

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wagnerrp:

10/100 is good enough for anyone

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justinh:

well yeah if you can actually get 100 out of it sure

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justinh:

not that anybody has yet got gigabit out of our gigabit port

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justinh:

33Mhz PCI bus. LOL

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wagnerrp:

but theres a whole 8MB/s of headroom there

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justinh:

note that's also the bus captured video is travelling on

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frebas:

what does "error opening jump program file buffer" mean? i cant watch live tv

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wagnerrp:

issues with livetv generally have nothing to do with the frontend

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wagnerrp:

please see the backend logs for an explanation of why the recording failed

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iamlindoro:

A common reason for that one is a time mismatch between backend and frontend

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frebas:

recording works

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wagnerrp:

apparently not

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wagnerrp:

livetv /is/ a recording

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wagnerrp:

just a special one managed by the frontend, rather than the scheduler

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frebas:

there are only 2 channels with programm information (EPG)

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frebas:

a time mismatch cant be

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frebas:

frontend and backand is on one pc

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iamlindoro:

We could talk about it for a few more hours, or you could check the logs

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frebas:

ok

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frebas:

i just change the pc with irc

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GlemSom:

Anyone else having failures when using EPG in LiveTV – after rev 25333 ? Or is that just me... ?

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caelor:

a question – I'm guessing lossless h264 cutting is still on the distant horizon (and no closer), right? Just before I spend some time trying to convince mythtranscode to top and tail some BBC HD recordings ready for archiving...

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wagnerrp:

no, there has been no work on putting lossless h264 cutting in mythtranscode

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caelor:

thanks :) saved me some time. Don't really need HD for archiving anyway, so I'll downsample them at the same time

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frebas:

iamlindoro: pastebin.de/8267

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wagnerrp:

apparently theres some script on the wiki which uses an external transcoder, capable of clipping

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wagnerrp:

or you could rig something up with 'dd'

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wagnerrp:

someone just need heavy medication and a padded room... http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/141732/

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caelor:

yeah, I've been playing with different options today. Just trying to find one that's user friendly enough for me to remember what to do next time I come to archive things in 6 months time...

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caelor:

wagnerrp: I could tie your responses to me and that link together – reencoding video often makes me feel like I need heavy medication and a padded room.

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wagnerrp:

caelor: completely unrelated to you, a random off topic remark

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caelor:

indeed, but gave me a chuckle when I mentally tied them together.

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caelor:

is there any documentation on the "--profile" argument to mythtranscode? It seems a little sketchy from what I'm seeing

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** Beirdo cues some Extreme **

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo :)

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Beirdo:

heya

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gbee:

heh, just been looking at which cards fall into the A/B feature sets for VDPAU, probably not new to anyone here but I'd assume that all 9xxx series offered complete acceleration of all three codecs, instead it turns out that the bottom of the range 8200 IGP which I've got is actually better than many 8xxx and 9xxx series discrete cards

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Beirdo:

nice

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wagnerrp:

gbee: sure, but 'feature set b' just adds full VC-1 acceleration

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Beirdo:

gbee: any idea if the animated gif support is likely to happen sometime soon? :)

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wagnerrp:

which is transparently handled by the driver on cards that dont support it

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gbee:

wagnerrp: not according to the docs

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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gbee:

Feature set A includes VC-1, but apparently doesn't offer full hardware acceleration for any codec

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wagnerrp:

i thought A had full acceleration for everything but the VC-1 entropy compressor

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wagnerrp:

and B added acceleration for that

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gbee:

err, full accel for H.264 actually, not not VC-1 or mpeg-2

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gbee:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . mits-decoder

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gbee:

"but not"

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gbee:

of course it's caveated with "at least" so it's entirely possible some A cards offer full accel for one or both,

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gbee:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html

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gbee:

anyway, I found it surprising, I felt sure that it would be the other way around, you don't tend to expect the bottom range IGP (supporting VDPAU) to do better than the more expensive, power hungry, discrete cards

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wagnerrp:

well nvidia generally releases the high end cards first

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wagnerrp:

so the bottom range IGPs are much newer hardware

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frebas:

iamlindoro: i changed the directory for the recordings and now it works

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gregl:

I thought the channel changing scripts were moved out of contrib to the wiki,but I can't seem to find them..Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_Change_Scripts

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gregl:

Thanks..

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caelor:

is nuvexport tied to releases, or is it (within reason) cross compatible between 0.23-fixes and trunk?

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Beirdo:

well, it hasn't changed from 0.23-fixes to trunk AFAIK

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caelor:

ok, thanks. I'll just grab the latest from svn

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caelor:

(lucid doesn't seem to have a package for it any more)

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Beirdo:

grrr

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know

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Beirdo:

and I complained to them before they cut that release

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dustybin:

Beirdo: how is mythweather coming along?

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Beirdo:

should be usable except for animated maps

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dustybin:

ace :D

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Beirdo:

which is waiting for support in the mythui library

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dustybin:

is mythmusic being re-written from scratch

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Beirdo:

not by me, but it wouldn't surprise me

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dustybin:

aye ok

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caelor:

yeah. No harm done (to me, at least). https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nuvexport/+bug/520564 seems to be the reference where it got deleted. I'm not sure I'd agree that "Anyone who would like to use it we will be pointing to SVN" holds true though.

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gbee:

in future we can make nuvexport available via services so it won't need to be packaged

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Beirdo:

possibly

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Beirdo:

but it will still need to be sorta tied to the release loosely

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Beirdo:

as it uses perl bindings and the protocol

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gbee:

well services is planned to do that, it just allows for point releases to reach end-users faster

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Beirdo:

yeah :)

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caelor:

I am looking forward to services – it sounds like it will be a huge step forward

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CyberKnet:

How's it going Beirdo? – This message brought to you by Subway. Eat Fresh.

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Beirdo:

heh, not too bad. living in Seattle now... and single again

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Beirdo:

right now physically in downtown Philly though

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Beirdo:

listening to some nice Megadeth. hehe

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dustybin:

what is the average size of a blueray movie?

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dustybin:

20–30GB ?

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Beirdo:

about 5.25" diameter

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dustybin:

LOL

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wagnerrp:

more like 20–40GB

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dustybin:

the disks can store 50GB

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

i need to calculate how much storage space i will need, its time to buy some new hds

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dustybin:

i might be able to store 30 blueray movies in 1TB of space, not bad :D

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gbee:

~30GB for 120 mins here

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dustybin:

ace

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gbee:

so yeah, 20–40GB is a good bracket

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: Aw man. I'm really sorry to hear that.

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Beirdo:

these things happen

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caelor:

wagnerrp, Bierdo – I had to make a small mod to nuvexport to make it recognise the ffmpeg packaged with Lucid. Diff in http://mythtv.pastebin.com/vv136wqK – added a new clause to the version detection.

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

I'll look at that in a moment. Thanks

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caelor:

np. Thought it might help prevent user questions if it's still applicable when the services infrastructure arrives.

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caelor:

I suspect the previous clause may never work, but didn't want to remove anything without knowing consequences

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dustybin:

im going to buy 3x seagate 2TB drives, configure them using linux soft raid-5 & LVM. This will give me a nice amount of space for HD & SD video, music, photos etc

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wagnerrp:

why would you make a RAID5 with only 3 drives

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dustybin:

Raid 5 --- Minumum 3 Drives

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but you would get more space out of 6x1TB drives, for the same price

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: but then i would have no potential to expand

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dustybin:

i would still have 3x spare hard drive bays

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wagnerrp:

then buy them all up front

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dustybin:

you got me thinking now..

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wagnerrp:

RAID expansion is a long, tedious process

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wagnerrp:

software raid on 2TB drives, thats going to take you a couple days for an expansion

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** iamlindoro will drink to that **

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joe_k:

this is why I want to get my backend running on my freebsd server

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joe_k:

zfs

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wagnerrp:

backend runs just fine on freebsd

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joe_k:

yeah i just havent installed it

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joe_k:

i should b/c my previous machine has a dead motherboard so have had no tv for a while

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wagnerrp:

ZFS bypasses the whole RAID expansion issue... by not supporting it

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joe_k:

i run raid on mine

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt exactly call that an 'advantage'

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joe_k:

i chose mirrors though

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: it might take a couple of days, but once its done, i dont have to worry unless there is a disk failure

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joe_k:

oh, expansion.... yes well it kind of does. you can swap all the drives out "from under it" and let it rebuild them

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joe_k:

and when all the drives are bigger the volume will also be

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wagnerrp:

but you cant add a new drive, which is what dustybin is talking about doing

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joe_k:

well in my mirror config I add 2 at a time and they increase the pool size

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joe_k:

but yeah adding to an existing raid set, i am not sure about

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joe_k:

(non-mirrored raid)

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: a seagate 1TB = 50 pound a seagate 2TB = 100 pound currently on ebuyer.com

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wagnerrp:

you can add or remove vdevs to a pool at will, but you cannot add disks to a stripped vdev

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joe_k:

right

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wagnerrp:

if you want to add new drives to a pool, you need to create a new independent vdev, and add that to the poo

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joe_k:

indeed

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: can i add new drives to RAID-6 ?

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: if your raid software/controller supports it

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dustybin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

joe_k: i would say that sequentially replacing each drive in an array and rebuilding is far more tedious then just adding a new one

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joe_k:

sure

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wagnerrp:

either way, its a very lengthy process, during which you are in a vulnerable, degraded state

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joe_k:

it could definitely be better, but for me it works great... I increase size by adding mirror pairs

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wagnerrp:

if youre looking for reliability, dont expand, just create new and copy over

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wagnerrp:

space it so those expansions will be several years apart, when youre looking for new server hardware anyway

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wagnerrp:

so you just build a new machine from scratch

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joe_k:

yep

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dustybin:

would RAID-6 take forever to expand like RAID-5 ?

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joe_k:

yes

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dustybin:

ok

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frebas:

deleting channels via mythweb interface doesnt work, there just doesnt happen anything

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joe_k:

same amount or more data shuffling

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dustybin:

i dont like the sound of RAID-5 or RAID-6, i think i might just buy double the amount of disks and use RAID 1+0

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wagnerrp:

no, 1+0 sucks

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wagnerrp:

rather, 0+1 sucks

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to do that, use 10

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gbee:

does anyone else see artifacts near the bottom of the picture with vdpau + VC1? particularly in dark scenes and at it's worst with white on black credits

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Depending on artifacting you are talking about, I may have seen it

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iamlindoro:

I have seen some breakups in the bottom 20% of the screen, usually breaking up to white

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iamlindoro:

almost like all-white macroblocks

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: i thought RAID 1+0 is RAID 10

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iamlindoro:

Probably worth playing the straight file rather than using libbluray, I had some concenrs when I first saw it that it might have been an issue with my implementation of libmythbluray

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iamlindoro:

but have not had an opportunity to test the theory

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: ive never heard anyone call it 1+0

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justinh:

thought there was something about bottom line corruption with vdpau on the users ML

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dustybin:

aye ok

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wagnerrp:

which is why i initially mistook what you said

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gbee:

iamlindoro: yeah that sounds like what I'm seeing, I tried grabbing a screenshot but my timing was off and this is the best I could get – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/VC1_VDPAU_artifacts.png

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wagnerrp:

i suppose the opposite is only called 0+1 to differentiate it from RAID1

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gbee:

at least I know it's not a problem on my end

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iamlindoro:

gbee: yes, have seen similar

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gbee:

gets a little worse than shown in the screenshot, but that gives an idea

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gbee:

it's probably been reported to Nvidia, but you never know

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iamlindoro:

gbee: The reason I had concerns about libmythbluray is that I fudged the block sizes as best I understood them, but was never quite certain-- 6144 is the correct number to use for a BD block, but wasn't sure I had the buffer size right in RingBuffer.cpp

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justinh:

so, all we have to do to keep somebody quiet is for me to come in & contribute? Heh I might stay

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justinh:

oh btw any other UK folks rescanned recently & found all the DVB-T radio channels – and possibly a handful of TV channels end up with underscores in front of their channum ?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: ah, ok well we can discuss that with Markk or janneg, they may have some idea and/or we can experiment to see if it helps any

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iamlindoro:

gbee: The quick test would be to play the m2ts file directly

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iamlindoro:

if it's still there, I'm in the clear ;)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: that means you can no longer reproduce that issue?

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gbee:

I was just going to ask :)

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gbee:

no seeking, so getting to the credits at the end will be fun

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iamlindoro:

no seeking why?

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iamlindoro:

Should work with libav seeking

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye, it's working fine

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wagnerrp:

good deal

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gbee:

iamlindoro: nevermind, thought it wasn't working when I tried yesterday

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iamlindoro:

cool

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gbee:

it does work, not pretty since it's not seeking to a keyframe, but it works

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gbee:

ok, still seeing the artifacts so it's not related to the block/buffer size

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gbee:

heh, ffplay fails spectacularly to play the ts, audio but no video and subtitles are enabled for some reason, but they are huge and mostly off-screen

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justinh:

oof. gonna need to add another tuner. conflict! and this is *with* multirec & only 5 muxes. lol

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gbee:

but I get your point

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gbee:

anyway, plan is to replace the two single tuner DVB-T cards with a dual tuner and free up space therefore improving air circulation, the 500 is also low profile which will help with airflow and they run cooler in my experience, that should give me the option of a second Nova-T 500 in the free slot at some future date

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iamlindoro:

They put Weekend at Bernies on Blu-ray but I can't get Farscape? Tragedy.

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wagnerrp:

in qt, you can define default inputs for functions, right?

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iamlindoro:

In C++ in general, yes

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gbee:

iamlindoro: Farscape was shot on SD cameras, no advantage to making it available on Bluray, but films are generally shot on, er, film meaning they can make HD transfers

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wagnerrp:

when you call the function, can you provide a pre-defined input, without the preceeding one?

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** wagnerrp is more a C guy **

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Farscape was shot on 35mm, with effects done on digibeta

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justinh:

gbee: that's why I went down the road of getting a motherboard with 5 slots

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iamlindoro:

I'd happily take the limited CG stuff in upscaled SD

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iamlindoro:

since most of the actual effects were muppets/old fashioned

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gbee:

iamlindoro: really? Ok, I really thought it was done on video

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iamlindoro:

gbee: yep, and Season 4 was shot on HD digital

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gbee:

justinh: well this board has 5 slots, just that only 3 are PCI :)

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iamlindoro:

so would need to scan the film for 1–3, remaster the effects (optional), and just do a transfer of S4

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gbee:

iamlindoro: huh, thought the last season was before HD took off

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wagnerrp:

shame they dont keep those models around

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wagnerrp:

it probably wouldnt be too difficult to run their models through some tessellation, and re-render in HD

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iamlindoro:

gbee: http://www.timtoon.com/2009/11/07/farscape-wi . . . in-high-def/

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iamlindoro:

On the plus side, HD would only make Claudia Black look like more of a horse

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gbee:

I know for example that The Wire was shot in SD which is a crying shame, they had the option of shooting the last season in HD but decided it spoil it to change the style by changing cameras/resolution/aspect ratio

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gbee:

would

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I take it you're not a Claudia Black fan? ;)

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iamlindoro:

Just like Farscape, Firefly was shot on film and effects were done in SD-- The Blu-rays are still well worth it

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iamlindoro:

so I'd happily take the same treatment of Farscape

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iamlindoro:

(Firefly effects on Blu-ray are upscaled)

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Heh, I actually quite like her on the show, but stunning she is not

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gbee:

yeah, she tends to grow on you rather than being a knock-out beauty

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Beirdo:

caelor: I put a modified version of your patch into trunk

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wagnerrp:

well you know, she looks pretty good for having been cut in half the same year

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wagnerrp:

and eaten

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gbee:

and blown to smithereens

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wagnerrp:

she was blown up?

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iamlindoro:

turned into a pile of gumballs, then mixed up with someone else's gumballs, in the water

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gbee:

here and Crichton together, they were reassembled piece by piece

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gbee:

her

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iamlindoro:

then having the gumballs swallowed by a floating space toad

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iamlindoro:

then vommed up and reassembled

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wagnerrp:

ah, cant say i remember that episode

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** wagnerrp was referring to Pitch Black **

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iamlindoro:

Series Finale

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iamlindoro:

then the PeaceKeeper Wars

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gbee:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah I forgot she was in that

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wagnerrp:

well she wasnt in it for long

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wagnerrp:

they killed her off pretty early

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gbee:

wagnerrp: as iamlindoro said, when the series was cancelled they killed them off, but when they were given the chance to wrap up the storylines in a special two-parter they had to resurrect them both

[15:50:46]

iamlindoro:

And they RUINED the story with that miniseries, BTW

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Beirdo:

mmmm, git.

[15:51:02]

iamlindoro:

Or you might blame the fact that they compressed a whole season into four hours

[15:51:04]

iamlindoro:

but still

[15:51:34]

iamlindoro:

During the show, the whole universe felt alive, and scary, and weird

[15:51:40]

gbee:

so it was a bit of a stretch, but at least they managed to make it humorous enough that the viewer is prepared to let it slide

[15:51:43]

iamlindoro:

during the miniseries, it all just felt like plastic, and without the same spirit

[15:53:52]

gbee:

... they've made a film version of the A-team ... wtf is wrong with Hollywood?

[15:54:04]

wagnerrp:

lack of creativity

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gbee:

well that's long been the case, but at least they made an effort to hide it when they were ripping off old material

[15:54:55]

wagnerrp:

same thing the music industry has done for years

[15:55:08]

wagnerrp:

find something that works with one crowd, and repeat

[15:55:24]

Beirdo:

mmmmm, autotune

[15:55:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

slightly different name, slightly different look, but its all the same repackaged drivel

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gbee:

and sure, this isn't the first remake/film adaptation in recent years, but they are really scraping the barrel now

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wagnerrp:

hey you, up on stage, they only hired you because you can gyrate!

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Beirdo:

get to gyrating already

[15:58:21]

Beirdo:

there. I have my git setup the way I want...

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wagnerrp:

who is the rapper who intentionally uses autotune for the distortion?

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gbee:

there's just the one?

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Beirdo:

if I am working on a branch, it will install to /opt/mythtv/${BRANCH} as a prefix

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wagnerrp:

well... how about the one who started it and made it a fad

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wagnerrp:

he needs to get gunned down in a nightclub

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: T-Pain

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** gbee shrugs, not a rap fan **

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wagnerrp:

neither am i, but you go out in public, you hear people playing it

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wagnerrp:

every time i hear that... makes me want to stick pens in my ears

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Nasa HD launching, just as we stop sending shuttles up

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Beirdo:

nah, just fling crap like a monkey

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gbee:

oh I do a pretty good job of tuning out and ignoring that crap, I honestly couldn't tell you a single number one for the last 5 years, MythTV has certainly helped with that

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Beirdo:

hahahah

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Beirdo:

playing music in alphabetical order by artist is evil

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Beirdo:

Metallica -> Michael Bolton

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Beirdo:

while I was in the bathroom. :) GAH

[16:04:28]

Beirdo:

let's try The Offspring.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I read that as "every time i hear that... makes me want to stick penis in my ears" and I was really confused

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wagnerrp:

that no talent hack

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Beirdo:

kormoc: hahaha

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wagnerrp:

i had a great name until high school when he started releasing music

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iamlindoro:

That would be, It was a good name until I was about 12 years old and tghat no-talent ass clown started winning grammies ;)

[16:05:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, I need to watch Office Space again

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gbee:

yeah, well just don't mix classical and metal in the same playlist, the greater range means I need to crank up the volume for the former and then the inevitable *oh crap* as I fight the wall of noise to reach the volume control

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wagnerrp:

yeah yeah... i havent been watching my monthly dosage on comedy central

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Beirdo:

hehe, wall of noise FTW

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wagnerrp:

gbee: clearly you never used your stereo as an alarm clock, and somehow mixed rage against the machine into the playlist

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Beirdo:

ahhahah

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gbee:

heh

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Beirdo:

I had a friend in University that used GNR for his alarm clock

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wagnerrp:

even worse, i had my bed lofted, since it was a small dorm room

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Beirdo:

he and his roommate likely to this day hate "Welcome to the Jungle"

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wagnerrp:

even worse, i had my computer under my bed, with big speakers duct taped to the posts of the bed

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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kormoc:

so you knocked yourself out?

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wagnerrp:

after a short intro, the 10" subs start blaring

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Beirdo:

and wagnerrp's head hits the ceiling

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wagnerrp:

almost killed myself trying to get out of bed to turn it off in a half-awake stupor

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Beirdo:

sigh. some people are oblivous :)

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Nidhoegger:

hi

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Nidhoegger:

is there a known issue with the internal player + mkv / ogm files?

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justinh:

hmmm. maybe none anyone knows about, but then that would be an unknown known issue.

[17:15:18]

justinh:

instead, why not descrbe the problem you're having?

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justinh:

then somebody might just be able to help :)

[17:15:42]

Nidhoegger:

i have problems with playing ogm / mkv files with more than one language

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Nidhoegger:

mkv files get pixel artifacts pretty often (on my normal PC they work fine)

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Nidhoegger:

and ogm files stop every 3 seconds for a short amount of time

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Nidhoegger:

i thought it might be the video codec, but i demuxed them, muxed them to a avi file (the video uses avi, i didnt convert anything) with avidemux and they work fine

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Nidhoegger:

any idea?

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ekristen:

my frontend tells me my backend is out of date, I told it to update but nothing seems to be happening

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ekristen:

how do I upgrade from the backend?

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: you around?

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: somehow I have version 1254 but the mythproto libraries speak 1259

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scott2:

Hello, spent many hours getting mythbuntu sound over HDMI, upgraded alsa, new asound.conf. Works great. Now HDMI sound isn't working on desktop (eg. hulu, vlc, miro). I've tried 100 different asound.conf files. Speaker-test and aplay in terminal work if I define device, they do not work if using default

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scott2:

Any help?

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: you around?

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: I set a security pin on my mythbackend, I see the python library accessing the backend but comes back with could not find database login creds

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: any thoughts?

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iamlindoro:

Mmmmmmmmm

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** iamlindoro becomes the first person to play encrypted Blu-ray with Myth **

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: I think I found a bug in the MythTV Python Bindings

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ekristen:

iamlindoro: you a dev on mythtv? I forget

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iamlindoro:

yes, I am a Myth dev

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: nice!!!! ;-) Now if I only had a BR drive... ;-)

[21:14:28]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, It won'

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iamlindoro:

er It won't play *every* disk, still not real BD+ support, but most of the ones before this year's disks ought to basically work

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Still, awesome progress.... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

basically any AACS-only disk with MKBv10 or less

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ekristen:

iamlindoro: whats the best way to submit a patch?

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iamlindoro:

ekristen, By opening a ticket at svn.mythtv.org

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ekristen:

roger

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, That said, since most of my disks are not from this year, every single one of them plays

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: very nice. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, My most recent disk is The Dark Knight, for reference, which plays perfectly

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iamlindoro:

Including chapter navigation, support for all the audio tracks, subtitles, etc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's awesome...

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: Awesome!

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iamlindoro:

Seriously :)

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iamlindoro:

The only deficiencies I can think of are 1) Menus (which we will get when BD-J and the HDMV code mature in libbluray), 2) BD+ support (which will come with time), and 3) would be nice to hook it in to libdvdread to allow unifying the Optical Disk playback behavior

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Twiggy2cents:

hey I have a quick question. I just installed a new hdd for recordings and redirected nuvexportrc and the directories in mythbackend setup to the appropriate places on the new drive. But Im stuck with two avi videos Ive already deleted

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Twiggy2cents:

They are on mythweb and mythfrontend

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Twiggy2cents:

I tried removing them from videometadata in the db but they come back.

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Twiggy2cents:

I can still watch them but they are not there. Any idea?

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iamlindoro:

If you can still watch them, they *are* there

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Twiggy2cents:

yes but they dont show up when ls'ing the folder or in a file manager

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Twiggy2cents:

I cant find an option on mythfrontend to delete them. Nor can I find one on mythweb

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wagnerrp:

im surprised the mythbuntu guys didnt find #8660 first

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wagnerrp:

i thought they reconfigured MCC to use UPNP detection through the python bindings

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: you here? I saw the update to the ticket

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thanks for the catch

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wagnerrp:

too much copy/paste when doing the reorg a month ago

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ekristen:

no worries man, glad I could help out --- I had a question for you

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wagnerrp:

ive got a script that is supposed to check for regressions like that

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt work on upnp, because im running it on an aliased network address

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Twiggy2cents:

do you guys know where the video manager is for mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: gone

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ekristen:

how do I get my db and myth proto to the 1259 and 57?

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ekristen:

what version do I need to be running?

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wagnerrp:

what is complaining?

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Twiggy2cents:

so how are you supposed to delete videos from its list?

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ekristen:

MythDB, says my schema's don't match

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wagnerrp:

'd'

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings are complaining?

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wagnerrp:

whats the exact error

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ekristen:

one second

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wagnerrp:

i dont need the traceback, just the one line returned by the exception

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wagnerrp:

should have 'database speaks version X, we speak version Y'

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ekristen:

mythtv.exceptions.MythDBError: Mismatched schema version for 'DBSchemaVer': database speaks version 1254, we speak version 1259

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to use the trunk bindings against 0.23-fixes?

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ekristen:

probably ;)

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ekristen:

i figured as much

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ekristen:

i went and looked at the 23 branch bindings and they are before the redesign

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wagnerrp:

technically, the 0.23 bindings were the /big/ redesign

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ekristen:

and I found that telling the bindings they can work with schema 1254 doesn't work either

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J-e-f-f-A:

Holy bleep... they stopped the oil spill?

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wagnerrp:

the ones in trunk are a lesser redesign after ive had a couple months to figure out what im doing

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ekristen:

well the ones in 23 don't match the documentation I am assuming the new and correct ones are the ones in the trunk?

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wagnerrp:

the ones in 0.23 match the documentation on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

the ones in trunk do not

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ekristen:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags/relea . . . ython/MythTV <-- this is what I should be using?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings/Upcoming is intended to document the changes between the documentation, and what exists in trunk

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wagnerrp:

anyone around who has actually used the PVR-350 hardware accelerated output?

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ekristen:

ok so trunk i what is to come?

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wagnerrp:

trunk is the current development version

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ekristen:

so trunk is what is to come*

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wagnerrp:

due out as 0.24 in two months or so

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ekristen:

gotcha

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ekristen:

I am following you now

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ekristen:

so I guess I really need to use http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags/relea . . . ython/MythTV until 24 release

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ekristen:

;)

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use it now, use -fixes

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wagnerrp:

if youre developing something new, use trunk

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ekristen:

gotcha

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ekristen:

well my backend isnt on trunk

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ekristen:

so ill have to stick with fixes

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wagnerrp:

neither is mine, i run a development one in a jail (security sandbox), which is why my regression test for upnp failed

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ekristen:

how do you populate it with data?

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wagnerrp:

ive got a HDHR that can be used by any backend on the network to record

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wagnerrp:

and ive got a few junk files from /dev/random for fake videos

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ekristen:

like this? http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/

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wagnerrp:

thats the one

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ekristen:

you in the US?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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ekristen:

whose your provider?

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wagnerrp:

provider of...?

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ekristen:

tv? comcast, fios, etc

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Wicked:

if a provider is only providing the picture with no sound on the local channels...is that provider breaking the law?

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wagnerrp:

cable, insight

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ekristen:

are all your channels unencrypted?

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: either theyre breaking the must-carry laws, or they are breaking their licensing agreement with that channel.... or theyre just incompetent

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wagnerrp:

ekristen: nope, just the broadcast channels

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Wicked:

my friend is saying comcast is only providing picture and not audio on the locals

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ekristen:

so those are the only channels you can stream with that I take it?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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ekristen:

bummer

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wagnerrp:

everything else is analog, off a pair of 150s

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ekristen:

I'm on fios I need to damn STBS

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ekristen:

STBs*

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ekristen:

oops sorry language

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ekristen:

I need the dumb STBs*

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: thanks for the help — time for me to go

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ekristen:

night

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ekristen:

i'll be in touch

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Beirdo:

hrm?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i think you scolded him for language at some point

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Beirdo:

probably a few times :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you have ipv6?

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wagnerrp:

have it? yes... have it working? no

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Beirdo:

k

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wagnerrp:

i could probably have it working on short order

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wagnerrp:

but i couldnt figure out how to get dhcp running, so i left it unfinished

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Beirdo:

I think my home network may have gotten a power reset..

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Beirdo:

or my ipv6 tunnel provider is having issues

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Beirdo:

it was working half an hour ago... now... nothing

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Beirdo:

and I'm 3000 miles away

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Beirdo:

or something

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

no route to host in the provider's ipv6 network

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Beirdo:

seems my tunnel is not being nice to me

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

betcha it just dropped the tunnel for some dumb reason (or power issues)

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Beirdo:

I'll deal

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